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| sp3000 | sure it does, it's called arbitrary enforcement | 00:01 |
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| MoRpHeUz | =) | 00:01 |
| timelyx | sp3000: so what's with that menu bug? :) | 00:03 |
| sp3000 | the toolbar overflow menu or the mozilla trunk dialog focus mess? | 00:04 |
| timelyx | the former | 00:04 |
| timelyx | haven't heard about the latter | 00:05 |
| sp3000 | apparently the former is fixed-for-next-major-release, the latter I need to test enn's patch for | 00:05 |
| sp3000 | hmm, trunk tbird's biff toaster faded out but didn't go away, how creative | 00:05 |
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| N800 | hello | 00:47 |
| N800 | sss | 00:47 |
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| unique311 | _Monkey, where's pupnik? | 00:48 |
| _Monkey | somebody said pupnik was here | 00:48 |
| unique311 | _Monkey, seen pupnik? | 00:48 |
| _Monkey | pupnik was last seen on #maemo 48 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: POLITICS WON'T IGNORE YOU [Tue Aug 14 21:58:27 2007] | 00:48 |
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| pupnik | huh | 00:56 |
| pupnik | i bet you compiled a new awesomt thing | 00:57 |
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| orakle | heh | 01:04 |
| orakle | is it wpa_supplicant/xsupplicant? :) | 01:04 |
| unique311 | pupnik, its an emu, and i know you have most of the emus | 01:09 |
| unique311 | you can get controls to work | 01:09 |
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| TimRiker | Some of my gmail accounts don't work on the nav. any idea why? I setup 2 test accounts exactly the same (cept for username and password). one can login, the other cannot. I can log in as either on the web based gtalk from a pc. | 01:33 |
| TimRiker | s/nav/n800/ | 01:34 |
| infobot | TimRiker meant: Some of my gmail accounts don't work on the n800. any idea why? I setup 2 test accounts exactly the same (cept for username and password). one can login, the other cannot. I can log in as either on the web based gtalk from a pc. | 01:34 |
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| Aorthoirnokia | xterm? | 02:24 |
| _Monkey | somebody said xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 02:24 |
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| trevarthan | timeless: I just got this from sp3000: `dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:silent-locked-dim` | 03:15 |
| trevarthan | Running that will lock the screen and turn it off, but then it turns back on and goes dim, not off. | 03:15 |
| trevarthan | Any way to just shut it off without locking it? | 03:15 |
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| rhys | i need a bluetooth keyboard that i can type with on my lap | 03:25 |
| rhys | college lecture hall and their tiny tiny thingys for writing. anyone know one that will work with the n800? | 03:25 |
| trevarthan | ThinkOutside/iGo keyboard works. Sorta. The Fn key doesn't work, but for most things you can work around it. | 03:26 |
| Sulis | i like my thinkoutside keyboard | 03:27 |
| Sulis | trevarthan: what do you mean the Fn key doesn't work? | 03:27 |
| trevarthan | Maybe you don't have the one with the dedicated number row? | 03:28 |
| trevarthan | I mean it doesn't work. | 03:28 |
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| Sulis | no, i don't have one with a dedicated number row, and both of my function keys work | 03:29 |
| trevarthan | I've got the stowaway model | 03:29 |
| trevarthan | I think | 03:29 |
| Sulis | that's the one i have | 03:29 |
| trevarthan | stowaway sierra? | 03:30 |
| Sulis | uh, i'm gonna say no...although i'm not at all sure | 03:30 |
| trevarthan | folds in half or quarters? | 03:30 |
| trevarthan | mine folds in quarters | 03:31 |
| Sulis | mine folds in half, one side just slides underneath the other | 03:31 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, definitely different model. Well, that's good to know though. I should have gotten your model. :) | 03:32 |
| trevarthan | I don't really recommend the Sierra. It can be maddening at times. | 03:32 |
| Sulis | the only time i get annoyed with this one is when i think i'm gonna get a symbol by pressing shift and a number key... | 03:33 |
| Sulis | i obviously just get an uppercase letter | 03:33 |
| rhys | so wait | 03:33 |
| rhys | sulis has the one that folds in half | 03:34 |
| rhys | it works | 03:34 |
| rhys | quarters doesnt work | 03:34 |
| rhys | remember that | 03:34 |
| rhys | :) | 03:34 |
| trevarthan | quarters works, but it doesn't work the way it should work. | 03:34 |
| trevarthan | To get the Esc key, you do Alt+Esc instead of Fn+Esc as is labeled. | 03:34 |
| trevarthan | To get PGUP, you do Shift+Up instead of Fn+Up as labeled. | 03:35 |
| trevarthan | etc... | 03:35 |
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| trevarthan | And sometimes it really freaks out and your Enter key won't work. But only sometimes. | 03:35 |
| Sulis | i can imagine some key clobbering might happen under those circumstances | 03:35 |
| rhys | .... | 03:35 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. I keep it around for emergencies, but I really try to stay off it because it's maddening. | 03:36 |
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| rhys | Sulis, http://cgi.ebay.com/iGo-Think-Outside-Stowaway-BLUETOOTH-mini-Keyboard-N800_W0QQitemZ140146171656QQihZ004QQcategoryZ48676QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 03:36 |
| rhys | that one? | 03:37 |
| Sulis | umm, i'm on my laptop without graphics atm | 03:37 |
| trevarthan | rhys: yeah, I think that's the one that works | 03:37 |
| rhys | Sulis, problems/ | 03:37 |
| rhys | ? | 03:37 |
| Sulis | perhaps, my kde doesn't start properly | 03:38 |
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| trevarthan | rhys: this is the | 03:38 |
| trevarthan | "bad" one: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Think-Outside-Universal-Sierra-Bluetooth-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ140147022215QQihZ004QQcategoryZ48676QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 03:38 |
| rhys | Sulis, theres your problem. KDE. :D xfce amigo. fluxbox. ffs, twm! | 03:39 |
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| trevarthan | rhys: whatever. I'm running KDE. works fine | 03:39 |
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| Sulis | kde has some nice things about it | 03:40 |
| rhys | yea yea i know. i just like to propaghandiaze my own. | 03:40 |
| Sulis | these nice things are the reason i use it, before that i used evilwm | 03:40 |
| matmo | tips for getting set up for dev'ing on 2007HE? | 03:40 |
| trevarthan | Any Nokians around with access to dbus documentation or dsme source code? Starving programmer needs some help. | 03:40 |
| rhys | kde does. i just dislike the interface idea. reminds me of windows. i find that inefficent | 03:40 |
| matmo | i mean "for 2007HE" | 03:41 |
| trevarthan | matmo: got the SDK? | 03:41 |
| matmo | trevarthan: which one? | 03:41 |
| matmo | i'm looking at the maemo pages, just not sure | 03:41 |
| trevarthan | :) the one for 2007HE, I guess... | 03:41 |
| matmo | not clear to me | 03:42 |
| trevarthan | I don't think it's clear to anyone. | 03:42 |
| rhys | kk. im bidding on that igo | 03:42 |
| matmo | i'm on the garage page also... no files released | 03:42 |
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| rhys | time to go | 03:42 |
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| trevarthan | matmo: try the scratchbox VM maybe? http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 03:43 |
| matmo | trevarthan: thanks, checking it out now | 03:43 |
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| matmo | trevarthan: jeez, it's a gig download! I already have a Puppy VM and was hoping to use that if poss. | 03:48 |
| trevarthan | well, good luck finding the right SDK download link then. Took me a while and the help of a Nokian to get it all set up. | 03:48 |
| trevarthan | I'd just go with the VM if I had it to do over again. | 03:48 |
| matmo | messy? | 03:49 |
| trevarthan | Not really. Just not clear. At all. Once you get going, it's rather easy. But getting going is hard. | 03:49 |
| trevarthan | I'm not incredibly stupid either. I usually don't have trouble with stuff like that. I think they go out of their way to make it difficult. :) | 03:50 |
| Sulis | perhaps they want to weed out the riff raff :P | 03:50 |
| matmo | I'm willing to give it a go, just not sure which is the right one for HE. | 03:50 |
| trevarthan | Sulis: perhaps. And perhaps their website is just a mess. I think it's the latter. | 03:51 |
| matmo | Maybe but at least it is there. I seen a few co's who won't cough up the src without a fight | 03:51 |
| Sulis | you must have the zen of perfect googling.... | 03:51 |
| Sulis | or something | 03:51 |
| _Monkey | i think something is wrong with the compilation | 03:51 |
| trevarthan | matmo: this page seems to mention the same files I have on my disk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8241 | 03:53 |
| trevarthan | give that a try. | 03:53 |
| matmo | ok | 03:53 |
| matmo | that apply to the 770 also? | 03:54 |
| trevarthan | Here's one from Nokia (may or may not be more/less helpful): http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt | 03:54 |
| trevarthan | matmo: you got a 770? | 03:54 |
| matmo | yep (sry should have said earlier) | 03:54 |
| trevarthan | damn. | 03:54 |
| trevarthan | I've got an n800. I have no idea on the 770. | 03:55 |
| trevarthan | You doing C/C++? | 03:55 |
| matmo | 770/800 - I'm assuming not much difference? C/C++ - don't know yet. ATM my interest is getting started hacking the Squeak VM (works on 770 but missing some stuff) | 03:56 |
| trevarthan | mmm.. yeah, there are important differences. | 03:56 |
| trevarthan | I don't think the OSes are always binary compatible. | 03:57 |
| trevarthan | If you're doing something high level like Python, then it doesn't matter, but C/C++, you'll have to get the right scratchbox. | 03:57 |
| matmo | yep, hence trying to get the right info before I end up wasting days :-) | 03:58 |
| matmo | once I get a usable Squeak VM I probably won't do much C/C++ | 03:59 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: you around? | 04:00 |
| trevarthan | everyone seems out | 04:00 |
| trevarthan | pupnik has scratchbox for the 770. he should be able to help, if he's around. | 04:00 |
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| trevarthan | If not, keep trying every hour or two. Or try the mailing lists. Things are bursty around here. Most of the Nokians are asleep right now. | 04:01 |
| matmo | ok, I'll check back later. Off to browse the dozen pages already opened. Keep thing I'm getting there but not sure. Thanks for the pointers | 04:02 |
| matmo | thing/thinking | 04:02 |
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| frosty | Hi | 04:12 |
| frosty | I can't get MPlayer to work on OS2007HE, which I've just installed on my 770 | 04:14 |
| frosty | I installed it from the 2007 repos, initially, but that was an n800 version and it didn't seem to want to play | 04:15 |
| frosty | so I grabbed the latest 770 version from the mplayer garage page | 04:15 |
| frosty | but that a) didn't add an application entry to the menus, and b) segfaults when i try and run it from the commandline | 04:16 |
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| frosty | does anyone know how i can get this to work? | 04:17 |
| trevarthan | frosty: I don't know, and everyone 770 related seems to be asleep atm. | 04:19 |
| trevarthan | frosty: try mailing the maintainers on the garage page? | 04:19 |
| trevarthan | or mail the list, or ITT? | 04:20 |
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| frosty | sounds like a plan - thanks :) | 04:22 |
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| raynedev | I'm curious, is it in any way possible to develop for the Nokia 770 platform from Mac OS X? | 05:59 |
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| rhsanborn | ugg, I got python to resize batch of images, unfortunately, it takes 3 minutes per picture off my digital camera. Comparitivalely, it takes 5 second on my laptop (700mhz, 256mb RAM) | 06:13 |
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| Luria | rhsanborn, im on a laptop with the exact same specs... what are you running (os wise)? | 06:17 |
| rhsanborn | It's actually a windows machine, but I threw a knoppix disc in it | 06:19 |
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| Luria | i wish i could boot this machine from cd | 06:22 |
| Luria | the hoops i have to jump through | 06:22 |
| Luria | sigh... | 06:22 |
| rhsanborn | I'm going to the Peace Corps in 6 months, and I want to use my n800 as my primary computer | 06:23 |
| rhsanborn | But resizing images is one of the things I have to do. Uploading 1.5meg images on slow connections is a pain | 06:24 |
| saaib | wohoo! I just got my 770 working with my VX9800 | 06:25 |
| Luria | well, its a pita cause of the no cd boot, but... | 06:27 |
| Luria | this machine might be ideal. | 06:27 |
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| Luria | panasonic cf-m34 | 06:27 |
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| rhsanborn | I wanted the n800 for the weight. If it isn't going to work, I will either get a newer HP laptop, or I might consider using web cafe computers booted to knoppix | 06:31 |
| rhsanborn | I could use those computers to convert my images and do everything else on the 800 | 06:31 |
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| Luria | why not upload to a remote machine and resize there? | 06:43 |
| Luria | i wouldnt crunch on an n800 | 06:44 |
| rhsanborn | I need to get the pictures smaller so that they will upload in a reasonable timframe | 06:47 |
| rhsanborn | Each pic is 1.5 megs or so natiive | 06:47 |
| Luria | oh | 06:48 |
| Luria | hmmm reboot time. | 06:48 |
| rhsanborn | Internet connections aren't the best in rural north africa | 06:48 |
| Luria | no doubt | 06:49 |
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| setite | i need help | 07:06 |
| setite | i tried to avoid it | 07:06 |
| setite | but i cant figure out how to get root on this n800 | 07:06 |
| setite | i connected to it via ssh and did a change password... but i cant figure out how to get root from xterminal on the n800 | 07:07 |
| derf | sudo gainroot | 07:07 |
| setite | yea that might be my mistake... i think.. i did sudo becomeroot | 07:07 |
| derf | Also make sure you edited the gainroot script to remove the check that it is in R&D mode (unless you plan on being in R&D mode). | 07:08 |
| sparr | what does the 770 do when the case is closed? turns the screen off and locks the buttons/screen, that part is obvious. anything else? cpu underclocking? etc | 07:08 |
| setite | no go | 07:08 |
| setite | password i made isnt working.. and rootme isnt working either | 07:08 |
| setite | i am in R&D modwe | 07:08 |
| setite | which i dont like... the startup isnt as pretty | 07:08 |
| sparr | derf: bah, gainroot is silly. add sh to the sudoers file so that sudo -i works, the RIGHT way to get a root shell | 07:08 |
| derf | No, sudo expects you to type in the _user's_ password. | 07:08 |
| derf | Not root's. | 07:09 |
| setite | i dont have a password | 07:09 |
| setite | i dont think i do | 07:09 |
| derf | Don't look at me. | 07:09 |
| setite | sparr how do i do that | 07:09 |
| setite | i want real root | 07:09 |
| derf | sudo's never asked me for one on the N800. | 07:09 |
| setite | or i want sudo to work | 07:09 |
| setite | i need my sudo password | 07:09 |
| sparr | are you root now? | 07:09 |
| setite | well i guess no | 07:09 |
| setite | t | 07:09 |
| sparr | http://sparrsstuff.com/ssh_and_root | 07:10 |
| derf | sparr: I would've though the "RIGHT" way to get a root shell was su - | 07:10 |
| derf | But what do I know? | 07:10 |
| setite | i have R&D mode.. and i did some SSH thing last night witht eh password rootme and changed the password | 07:10 |
| sparr | derf: no, thats the right way to become root. which is a step higher than just having a shell running as root :) | 07:10 |
| sparr | setite: check out the part of that page regarding sudoers | 07:10 |
| * sparr tries to do some good with his howto | 07:11 | |
| derf | I guess I don't understand the distinction. Perhaps you can educate me. | 07:11 |
| setite | i love you sparr | 07:12 |
| setite | sshing now | 07:12 |
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| Blacksitox | bye | 07:14 |
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| setite | oy editing sudoers is hell | 07:14 |
| setite | how do i edit it | 07:15 |
| sparr | vi if you havent installed better | 07:16 |
| sparr | im a fan of vi and nano-tiny | 07:16 |
| setite | yea i mean how do i start editing it | 07:16 |
| setite | i did the vi thing | 07:16 |
| sparr | oh | 07:16 |
| sparr | heh | 07:16 |
| setite | and brought up the file | 07:16 |
| sparr | press "i" | 07:16 |
| sparr | to enter insert mode | 07:16 |
| sparr | when youre done editing, hit escape to exit insert mode, then type ":wq" to save and quit | 07:17 |
| setite | ok done | 07:17 |
| setite | argh i buggered it | 07:20 |
| setite | parse error | 07:20 |
| setite | is there a feature on this like pressing the up arrow | 07:21 |
| setite | to repeat last command in cli | 07:21 |
| setite | damn i thought i enabled nopasswd | 07:23 |
| setite | god i still cant scan | 07:25 |
| setite | oh i see what i did | 07:26 |
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| sparr | glad to know my instructions sorta helped someone :) | 07:28 |
| sparr | feedback is appreciated, help me make it easier on the next guy | 07:28 |
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| setite | well i still have to enter a password | 07:32 |
| setite | i thought the user NOPASSWD would eliminate that | 07:32 |
| trevarthan | Check it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=68572&postcount=31 | 07:33 |
| sparr | which line did you use? | 07:33 |
| sparr | of the 4 i provided | 07:33 |
| setite | all i see is an annoying large picture of evanescence | 07:33 |
| sparr | kagu is a media player? | 07:34 |
| setite | i used the two NOPASSWD lines | 07:34 |
| sparr | i thought it was a game | 07:34 |
| setite | nah its not a game | 07:34 |
| sparr | first, only use one of the 4 lines | 07:34 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 07:34 |
| _Monkey | kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 07:34 |
| sparr | second, the first NOPASSWD line should make sudo never prompt you for a password for anything | 07:34 |
| setite | the nopassd ALL | 07:35 |
| setite | that supercedes nopasswd /bin/sh? | 07:35 |
| sparr | user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL | 07:35 |
| setite | so am i cancelling it out? | 07:35 |
| setite | ok ill remove the /bin/sh | 07:35 |
| sparr | i dont know why it wouldnt work with both | 07:35 |
| sparr | that line should make the entire rest of the file moot | 07:35 |
| setite | looks like it does | 07:37 |
| setite | looks like having both lines makes it go cuckoo | 07:37 |
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| sparr | weird | 07:37 |
| setite | question though | 07:38 |
| setite | btaudit is being a bitch | 07:38 |
| setite | keeps saying i need to be root to use raw sockets | 07:38 |
| setite | even after a sudo -i | 07:38 |
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| sparr | no idea, sorry | 07:51 |
| sparr | anyone figure out how to make apt stop bitching about missing gpg keys? | 07:51 |
| sparr | Setting up kagu (1.0.4) ... | 07:52 |
| sparr | Deleting db | 07:52 |
| sparr | [: ==: unknown operand | 07:52 |
| sparr | Segmentation fault | 07:52 |
| sparr | dpkg: error processing kagu (--configure): | 07:52 |
| sparr | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139 | 07:52 |
| sparr | hooray kagu! | 07:52 |
| derf | I never did. | 07:52 |
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| derf | I tried, but decided I didn't care. | 07:52 |
| pupnik | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys '12345678' && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gp something like that | 07:53 |
| pupnik | +g | 07:53 |
| sparr | i tried something like that | 07:54 |
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| sparr | gpg complains about 'cant run remote execution' or some such | 07:54 |
| sparr | disq: whats up with kagu dying on install? | 07:54 |
| sparr | [: ==: unknown operand | 07:55 |
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| kulve | it's assuming bash, which doesn't exist on the device? | 08:08 |
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| sparr | if header[:3] == "ID3":te("fLaC" + data) | 08:14 |
| sparr | uhm | 08:14 |
| sparr | wtf? | 08:14 |
| sparr | python-o? | 08:14 |
| sparr | or i guess i just dont know python | 08:14 |
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| Darksmurf | has anyone tried to add power to an unpowered hub? Simple connect the correct lines to a +5V source? | 09:54 |
| kulve | Darksmurf: I think there are lot's of articles about that for 770 host usb mode | 09:56 |
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| Darksmurf | they all talk about modifying a powered usb hub to inject power back to the 770. I don't have a powered hub. There are plans for a 'power injector' it sends power up to the 770 and down to whatever device you have connected, but it doesn't talk about if you can use it with a hub. I dunno...I'm relunctant to try it in the off chance it'll kill the 770. | 10:01 |
| Darksmurf | But for the life of me I can't find a good reason for it to not work. My other option is to go buy a powered hub and do it the way everyone else is doing it. I've got a very small unpowered hub I'd love to use though. | 10:03 |
| kulve | hmm.. iirc, we got and usb headset working by directly connecting to a 770 (with usb adapters). All we needed to do was to solder some batteries to the usb cable. I can't recommend that though ;) | 10:06 |
| kulve | s,and,an, | 10:06 |
| Darksmurf | usb headset eh? I havn't seen mention of that anywhere. Thats basicly the power connections I want to make. Right now I'm trying to decided what functions I want..i.e. need a 5v source to power everything, but I'd like it small for when I'm using flashdrives, etc. Need to be able to put more juice in when I'm using and HD, etc | 10:08 |
| Darksmurf | nokia770hacks.com hmm..I've never seen that site before | 10:09 |
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| keesj_ | Darksmurf: you coul in that case "just" cut the power wire from the nokia to the hub | 10:13 |
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| Darksmurf | hmm... the only thing I can see 'wrong' is that when the USB hub is queried by the USB host chip inside the 770 it'll say it is an unpowered hub. The 770 may know that it can't supply the current needed and *could* turn the hub off...or it may assume that since it is working it can supply the 500ma to the hub. Because no power is being pulled from the 770 there is no chance of pulling too much. I wonder if the 770 c | 10:16 |
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| kulve | " I wonder if the 770 c" | 10:17 |
| kulve | don't write that much :) | 10:17 |
| Darksmurf | pulled from whatever psu I use...it may just work 'normal' then? The more I think about it I can't see a reason it wouldn't be OK to use an unpowered hub (assuming I inject power on the 5v lines) | 10:17 |
| Darksmurf | "I wonder if the 770 chip can tell how much is being" rest is in next comment. | 10:19 |
| keesj_ | the 770 is of course "used" to have 5 volt on the usb when it's in device mode so I would also not expect problems with that | 10:19 |
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| Darksmurf | yeah, as I understand it there are no power connections to the usb chip inside the 770. It ONLY gets power from the usb host. | 10:20 |
| Darksmurf | I need to hit the sack, thanks for letting me bouce ideas off you..gnight. | 10:21 |
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| jani | Hey, does anyone get /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory or similar while doing apt-get upgrades ? seems this dpkg-preconfigure binary missing and i didnt find any package that would provide it .. | 10:35 |
| konttori | Is anyone else annoyed that the rss feed links go to the maemo site and not to the actual blogs? | 10:45 |
| konttori | I was just trying to read the xv and mplayer on maemo post and clicked on the rss link. | 10:46 |
| konttori | I ended up on this page: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/f23737ab1c6a643450e192310026bd71.html | 10:46 |
| konttori | And the post is crippled (contains only the first paragraph). Thus I would like to navigate to the actual post. But there is no link to the actual post on maemos view post screen. | 10:47 |
| konttori | I had to go to the http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ page to be able to click on the link to the actual post. | 10:47 |
| kulve | konttori: yes | 10:47 |
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| jani | ah. they are syndicating the blog descriptions and linking only to them.. that i can understand but not that the description doesnt link to the source. | 10:47 |
| konttori | any chance that Nokia could AT LEAST add the post link to the show post view as well? | 10:48 |
| kulve | I'm reading the maemo planet with google reader and it sure is annoying that the link goes to maemo.org instead of the real blog.. | 10:48 |
| konttori | Anyway, I feel a bit uneasy about the rss feed linking to maemo site as well. | 10:49 |
| konttori | Yeah | 10:49 |
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| jani | maybe i can ask someone here.. | 10:50 |
| konttori | also, it would be nice if the show post view would contain the posters name like it is on the planet main screen | 10:50 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 10:51 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 10:51 |
| kulve | konttori: that too | 10:51 |
| konttori | jani: it would be great if you could convince ferenc (or someone) to fix the issue. It's probably quite a minor change. | 10:52 |
| jani | i dont know ferenc (well, i know what he does) but i think guim sits few rooms away from me.. | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:55 |
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| konttori | Ah. great. I hope Quim can help us out on that one | 11:01 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:51 |
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| guardian | morning | 12:01 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 12:01 |
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| pupnik | ramen is the defender of the universe | 12:07 |
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| Nermal | morning | 12:29 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 12:29 |
| Nermal | _Monkey: botsnack | 12:30 |
| _Monkey | :) | 12:30 |
| Nermal | :) | 12:30 |
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| Nermal | lo mallum - ltns :) | 12:54 |
| mallum | hey Nermal | 12:55 |
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| dpb_ | Is there some instructions somewhere how to install the Microb browser inside scratchbox? microb-browser depends on tablet-browser-ui which depends on stuff that aren't in the repos.. | 13:26 |
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| pupnik | microb? | 13:31 |
| _Monkey | microb is probably the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) | 13:31 |
| dpb_ | http://maemo.org/browser | 13:33 |
| pupnik | timeless has another site with info | 13:34 |
| matmo | sanity check, about to download maemo VM from garage (1.2G) - will this work with VM console and will I be able to use it for IT2006 *and* IT2007HE? | 13:36 |
| matmo | (to explain: I have 2x770, one with IT2006, one with IT2007HE) | 13:37 |
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| * dpb_ pokes timeless. You alive? | 13:38 | |
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| matmo | started dl anyway, ETA 10hrs, gulp :-( | 13:42 |
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| Nermal | matmo: doh - would take 20 minutes here :) | 13:47 |
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| pupnik | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed! | 13:53 |
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| * pupnik does not understand or like quilt | 13:55 | |
| jumpula | quilt handles more easily the order in which the patches are applied and the individual options | 13:56 |
| jumpula | like -p | 13:56 |
| matmo_ | Nermal: I wish I was there :-) Only getting ~40kbps here although I have broadband. | 13:56 |
| pupnik | [sbox-SB_Arm2: ~/0_Deps/sdl-gfx/sdlgfx-2.0.13] > quilt -f push -a || test $? = 2 | 13:56 |
| pupnik | The topmost patch patches/001_rebootstrap.diff needs to be refreshed first. | 13:56 |
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| pupnik | hah, package built after deleting quilt invocation from debian/rules | 14:20 |
| zuh | I've seen that before, people stating that their sw "works" since a compiler said it's ok... ;) | 14:21 |
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| eijk | Hi! My 770 is in a strange state: When I power it up, the initial Nokia logo stays on and the progress bar never appears. When I charge it, the initial charge logo comes up, then I just get a white screen with nothing on it. I still can go into update mode. Is there a way to look at the console output of the kernel via USB? | 14:42 |
| eijk | Maybe with "flasher -b" and some kernel command line? | 14:42 |
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| eijk | Or is there a way to dump the flash contents to a PC in update mode? | 14:44 |
| keesj | 0xffff does something similar | 14:46 |
| keesj | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=docu&q=dumping | 14:46 |
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| trevarthan | eijk: I use rsync for that: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups | 14:58 |
| eijk | trevarthan: in update mode? it doesn't really boot currently... | 14:59 |
| eijk | keesj: Thanks for the hint, I'll take a look! | 15:00 |
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| dpb_ | Grr.. there's a 0.0.1 version of tablet-browser-ui in garage svn, but the newest version is 0.2.9.. where's the sources? :( | 15:16 |
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| keesj | rsync rulez | 15:22 |
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| konttori_ | Kagu is mentioned on ars technica: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/15/kagu-media-player-for-the-n800-supports-a2dp-inertial-scrolling | 15:29 |
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| NeoStrider | good morning folks | 15:56 |
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| pupnik_ | main.cc: In function `int main(int, char**)': | 16:01 |
| pupnik_ | /usr/include/glibmm-2.4/glibmm/convert.h:171: error: too few arguments to function `std::string Glib::convert(const std::string&, const std::string&, const std::string&, std::auto_ptr<Glib::Error>&)' | 16:01 |
| pupnik_ | ah wants auto_ptr | 16:04 |
| NeoStrider | oh god...thats why I love plain C | 16:04 |
| * NeoStrider loves plain C, but cant avoid using some C++ | 16:04 | |
| pupnik_ | so i need to create some kind of auto_ptr for error handling | 16:05 |
| pupnik_ | building libxml++ | 16:06 |
| NeoStrider | quoting linus..boys use libs, men create their own xml libs =P | 16:06 |
| NeoStrider | just kidding, my xml lib sucks | 16:06 |
| pupnik_ | if anybody already has built libxml++2.6-2.14.0 and the dev package, please stop me now | 16:06 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 16:07 |
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| pupnik | you work with xml NeoStrider :) do you want to fix it? :) | 16:07 |
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| NeoStrider | maybe | 16:07 |
| NeoStrider | I know some XSLT and I do some poor man xml handling | 16:08 |
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| NeoStrider | gimme the urls | 16:08 |
| pupnik | just trying to build libxml++ in scratchbox - you can apt-get source libxml++ and see if it builds | 16:08 |
| pupnik | http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/glibmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGlib_1_1ConvertError.html | 16:11 |
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| NeoStrider | oops | 16:12 |
| NeoStrider | my apt is not working under sbox | 16:12 |
| NeoStrider | do you know how to fix it? | 16:12 |
| NeoStrider | (gregale) | 16:12 |
| pupnik | no | 16:12 |
| pupnik | i am passing a Glib::Error& to it now - think that will work | 16:12 |
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| NeoStrider | brb | 16:15 |
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| pupnik | hahaha "if you don't understand it, delete it." lmao | 16:22 |
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| NeoStrider | nice perspective from life.... | 16:24 |
| NeoStrider | very aplicable to windows =-p | 16:24 |
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| eijk | I've been searching for it for a while, but haven't found anything: Is there a way to redirect the kernel's boot messages over USB from the 770 to a laptop? | 16:27 |
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| NeoStrider | cya! | 16:34 |
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| lardman | morning, almost | 16:39 |
| lardman | kulve: How are you getting on with Speex? | 16:41 |
| lardman | kulve: I've grabbed the tremor-lowmem-no-byte code and need to learn some more about writing Makefiles and gstreamer | 16:41 |
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| lardman | Anyone have any thoughts about Jazelle? | 17:04 |
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| lardman | _Monkey: What do you think about Jazelle? | 17:04 |
| _Monkey | i don't know, lardman | 17:04 |
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| timeless | kulve: did you find/file a bug about planet linking the wrong way? | 17:07 |
| timeless | dpb: sorry, it's internal, we got snagged by lawyers or something. | 17:07 |
| dpb_ | A bit hard to get the community to help with the browser if parts are closed.. :| | 17:10 |
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| trevarthan | timeless: you get my private message from yesterday? | 17:19 |
| trevarthan | timeless: sp3000 gave me a dbus command that almost works: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:silent-locked-dim | 17:20 |
| trevarthan | but it locks the screen instead of just turning it off. | 17:20 |
| trevarthan | Any ideas? | 17:20 |
| Nermal | change string:silent-locked-dim to string:dim or string:silent-dim ? | 17:21 |
| _Monkey | Nermal: that doesn't look right | 17:21 |
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| pupnik | is there a gcc 4.x for maemo 2.2 / gregale? | 17:32 |
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| dpb_ | timeless: if tablet-browser-ui isn't free, it shouldn't be in the 'free' repo on maemo.org.. | 17:39 |
| sparrw | disq: poke | 17:40 |
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| pvanhoof | Somebody here with more than basic knowledge of libconic ? | 17:49 |
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| NeoStrider | finished what appears to be the level set for angstron | 17:51 |
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| NeoStrider | 1 tutorial + 5 levels...too short? | 17:51 |
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| NeoStrider | or just enough? | 17:51 |
| NeoStrider | *knock* *knock* | 17:52 |
| NeoStrider | anybody home? | 17:52 |
| Nermal | :d | 17:52 |
| Nermal | :d | 17:52 |
| Nermal | um | 17:52 |
| Nermal | yes | 17:52 |
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| NeoStrider | so..."yes" to "anybody home?" or "too short?" | 17:53 |
| Nermal | yes to anyone home | 17:54 |
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| Darksmurf | I'm gonna guess to 'home' | 17:54 |
| Nermal | I've no idea what angstron is | 17:54 |
| Nermal | :| | 17:54 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey? | 17:54 |
| _Monkey | yes, NeoStrider? | 17:54 |
| NeoStrider | angstron? | 17:54 |
| _Monkey | somebody said angstron was http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:54 |
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| NeoStrider | my game | 17:55 |
| NeoStrider | well | 17:56 |
| NeoStrider | gotta go | 17:56 |
| NeoStrider | lunch | 17:56 |
| NeoStrider | cya! | 17:57 |
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| Darksmurf | heh, amazon's price for the 770 went from $140 to ~$280...they had the best shipping costs :-( | 18:15 |
| faye | I see kagu 1.0.5 is out... | 18:17 |
| faye | still no all album play :( | 18:18 |
| faye | or m4a support... | 18:18 |
| faye | but apart from that, it's great :) | 18:18 |
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| pupnik | what's the dpkg-buildpackage type command that lets me skip the 'make clean' ? | 18:21 |
| pupnik | also can i pass -- options to ./configure from the dpkg-buildpackage invocation? | 18:22 |
| faye | Pupnik: I think you need to change the RULES file to pass configure options. | 18:24 |
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| pupnik | ok that's what i been doin | 18:24 |
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| fayep | is anyone familiar with mdns/avahi? | 18:41 |
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| melmoth | http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/15/1341224.shtml | 18:43 |
| melmoth | polom polommm | 18:43 |
| melmoth | oups. | 18:45 |
| melmoth | wrong chan sorry :) | 18:45 |
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| Nermal | arse | 18:50 |
| Nermal | my 770 order has been cancelled as they can't get hold of any | 18:51 |
| Nermal | looks like I won't be joining the maemo crowd anytime soon | 18:51 |
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| lardman|home | Nermal: Who was that with? | 18:55 |
| Nermal | mobilefun :| | 18:55 |
| Nermal | ordered it on the 4th | 18:55 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I tried to order a bt keyboard from them | 18:56 |
| Nermal | so now everyone has sold out :| | 18:56 |
| Nermal | *sigh* | 18:56 |
| lardman|home | They had no stock of that either | 18:56 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 18:59 |
| lardman|home | hello | 18:59 |
| _Monkey | hey, lardman|home | 18:59 |
| lardman|home | _Monkey: Any wiser about Jazelle? ;) | 18:59 |
| _Monkey | lardman|home: i'm not following you... | 18:59 |
| lardman|home | _Monkey: doesn't surprise me | 19:00 |
| _Monkey | lardman|home: i'm not following you... | 19:00 |
| lardman|home | silly bot | 19:00 |
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| trevarthan | j2me for the n800? http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800#Run_to_Validate | 19:24 |
| trevarthan | more j2me on the n800: http://blogs.sun.com/hinkmond/entry/oh_the_joys_of_crunchtime | 19:25 |
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| cptvitamin | anyone in here using a 770 and having trouble installing the latest version of Kagu Media Player? | 19:29 |
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| cptvitamin | Kagu anyone? | 19:33 |
| pupnik | hi cptvitamin - the kagu master was here a 1/2 hour ago | 19:36 |
| pupnik | what is your problem | 19:36 |
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| cptvitamin | pupnik - I was a successful user of Kagu before and I went to upgrade. The install process seems to work fine but at the end I get a message that it could not be installed. Its listed in my installed apps but the status is 'broken'. | 19:47 |
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| timeless | is there a way to get svn diff to list full paths instead of just relative paths in the header section of its output? | 19:56 |
| timeless | oops | 19:56 |
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| timeless | sorry, trevarthan | 19:59 |
| timeless | i missed your message yesterday | 19:59 |
| timeless | i'm reading some of the code that he found | 19:59 |
| timeless | i can see how/why he was able to suggest it | 19:59 |
| timeless | unfortunately, there's a hole in my xref | 20:00 |
| timeless | i don't have the file that defines those strings | 20:00 |
| timeless | i could get it, i suppose | 20:00 |
| * timeless does a brute force search for nokia.mce | 20:00 | |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/wormux_menu.png | 20:01 |
| timeless | on the offchance, anyone here know much about svn? | 20:01 |
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| zuh | #define much | 20:01 |
| timeless | i think i accidentally pasted my svn question here a few lines ago :) | 20:02 |
| timeless | much=sufficient to answer it :) | 20:02 |
| zuh | ah, so it seems | 20:03 |
| zuh | Can diff be made to do that? | 20:03 |
| timeless | it's possible it's so lame that it can't | 20:04 |
| zuh | since you could use --diff-cmd if it can | 20:04 |
| timeless | it would seem stupid | 20:04 |
| timeless | oh, you mean diff, not svn diff | 20:04 |
| timeless | um | 20:04 |
| zuh | doesn't look like it can | 20:06 |
| kulve | timeless: no | 20:07 |
| timeless | kulve: that was to my "did you file a bug?"? | 20:07 |
| kulve | lardman|gone: it's doing something (wrong). All encoded frames are identical | 20:07 |
| kulve | timeless: yes | 20:08 |
| kulve | and now I'm gone | 20:08 |
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| * pupnik makes big sad puppy eyes... "ogg gstreamer dspsink pleeez??" | 20:20 | |
| pupnik | yet another game that uses ogg - wormux worms clone: http://pupnik.de/wormux_menu.png | 20:20 |
| monteslu | cool, that in a repo? | 20:22 |
| pupnik | no | 20:24 |
| pupnik | i just got it running | 20:24 |
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| pupnik | are you n800 owners ok with apps installing game data to /media/mmc1/games/<gamename> ? | 20:25 |
| timeless | i am, but you better tell me when the installer runs | 20:26 |
| timeless | arguably better is a folder picker that defaults there | 20:26 |
| monteslu | pupnik, will it run on mameo 2.0 ? | 20:26 |
| procto | pupnik: ask. I might prefer mmc2 | 20:26 |
| * monteslu is a lowly 770 owner | 20:26 | |
| pupnik | it might be too slow for 770 monteslu - it's still crashing on game start | 20:26 |
| `0660 | i'd rather have it in mmc2 | 20:26 |
| pupnik | ok i'll write an installer with dialog | 20:27 |
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| sparrw | disq: poke | 20:45 |
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| zuh | pupnik: just an ogg parser or do you want a decoder for some codec too?-) | 20:59 |
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| pupnik | well libvorbisidec as a dsp-sink | 21:02 |
| pupnik | decoding ogg takes up about 12% cpu on 770 | 21:02 |
| Fatal | you mean vorbis? | 21:03 |
| pupnik | yeah ogg vorbis :) | 21:03 |
| Fatal | ogg is just a container | 21:03 |
| pupnik | i know | 21:03 |
| shackan | ogg is a container, vorbis is the co[dec] | 21:03 |
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| pupnik | unfortunately nokia do not give us info on how to build dsp sinks | 21:04 |
| sparrw | i wish i could try kagu | 21:04 |
| * pupnik launches a dead cow over the castle wall | 21:04 | |
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| sparrw | anyone got a clue on fixing the bug with the package? | 21:05 |
| pupnik | try installing package with dpkg -i <packagefile> | 21:09 |
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| sparrw | still fails to configure | 21:19 |
| sparrw | and by configure i mean run | 21:19 |
| sparrw | the postinst script runs kagu-scanner | 21:19 |
| sparrw | and that fails with a python syntax error | 21:19 |
| solmumaha | so hacker can be installed by just downloading the fiasco image and flashing it with nokia update wizard? | 21:20 |
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| sparrw | solmumaha: yep. | 21:22 |
| solmumaha | k, thx | 21:22 |
| sparrw | i wouldnt suggest it though... im halfway between power-user and dev, and the state of packages on hacker edition just wasnt comfortable for me | 21:22 |
| solmumaha | oh | 21:22 |
| solmumaha | how is stability? | 21:24 |
| solmumaha | i'm making it a navigator, not installing that much stuff on it | 21:24 |
| solmumaha | well i can always reflash back | 21:26 |
| sparrw | stability was slightly worse than 2.2 | 21:27 |
| sparrw | and yeah, you can just flash back | 21:27 |
| sparrw | it was an enlightening experiment to try it for a few days | 21:27 |
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| solmumaha | well i have n800 too, just got 770 today | 21:29 |
| solmumaha | actually 5 of them, hope i wasn't the one with wsod | 21:32 |
| pupnik | agree on the stability | 21:33 |
| timeless | pupnik, et al https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1831 | 21:33 |
| timeless | how does that read? | 21:33 |
| * pupnik blinks at all the text | 21:34 | |
| * timeless curses | 21:34 | |
| timeless | i need to actually check out this entire thing? | 21:34 |
| pupnik | so this is a patch you made to Index: mozilla/trunk/microb-l10n/l10n2/da/locale/da/global/about.dtd? | 21:35 |
| kulve | pupnik: let's for try to get a vorbis decoder working in the DSP side. Once we have that and it seems to be efficient enough, we can try get it directly using the audio stuff on dsp.. | 21:40 |
| kulve | currently there's nothing open source running on the dsp side.. | 21:40 |
| pupnik | should we mail to the vorbis guys asking if they have any dsp implementations of it? | 21:43 |
| keesj | The 3.2 sdk relase did not have a rootstrap anymore right? | 21:43 |
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| pupnik | or would it be possible to dumbly compile vorbisidec c code? | 21:43 |
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| timeless | so, did anyone read my bug? :) | 21:56 |
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| kulve | pupnik: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/Tremor | 21:57 |
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| pupnik | i read it timeless and understood it not | 21:58 |
| timeless | ? :(~ | 21:59 |
| timeless | what part didn't make sense? | 21:59 |
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| apple2 | Anyone found wifi driver that supports injection? | 22:16 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: good hacking guide :-) | 22:20 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: Kagu is messed up for you too? | 22:20 |
| apple2 | timeless what hacking guide are u talking about? | 22:21 |
| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1831 | 22:21 |
| apple2 | thanks | 22:21 |
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| sparrw | trevarthan: yes. and i filed a bug on it | 22:21 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: you got a paste of that python error? I'd like to see it. | 22:21 |
| sparrw | in the bug | 22:21 |
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| trevarthan | where did you file a bug? | 22:22 |
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| sparrw | on the kagu tracker on garage | 22:22 |
| GreySim | Is there working PIM software for the 770? | 22:22 |
| trevarthan | nice. I got no email, no nothing. | 22:23 |
| * GreySim knows of GPE and Pimlico, but is praying there is something else. | 22:23 | |
| * trevarthan smacks disq around a bit | 22:24 | |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I don't know what the hell that is. Doesn't look like a backtrace. segfault. why would a python app segfault? You on an n800 or a 770? | 22:25 |
| GreySim | (Reason being, GPE seems to be riddled full of bugs, and Pimlico doesn't even have Contacts on the 770, and the other apps are still a bit immature.) | 22:26 |
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| GreySim | And by immature, I mean things like Dates not handling recurring events. | 22:35 |
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| kulve | lardman|gone: I think I got the encoding working, but the dsp task seems to get stuck very quickly (like 0.5secs) | 22:57 |
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| Justin | what would cause an app not to start from the menus? | 23:02 |
| Justin | as far as I can tell I made the .desktop and .service files correctly.. | 23:02 |
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| Justin | the odd thing is that I if I run it from the terminal, and then run it from the menu, it immediately switches to the app | 23:03 |
| GreySim | 1 sec, I might know. | 23:04 |
| Justin | it does the same thing in scratchbox too | 23:05 |
| GreySim | Justin: Maybe this? http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoFaq/ApplicationDiesShortlyFromMenu | 23:05 |
| Justin | hmm | 23:05 |
| Justin | well it doens't die, it never starts.. but that does sound close | 23:06 |
| Justin | I am not using osso in the app, so that must be it | 23:06 |
| * GreySim definitely doesn't have a clue beyond that. | 23:08 | |
| GreySim | Anyone know if MicroB extensions can(/will be able to) use dbus? | 23:09 |
| * GreySim knows nothing about it, being on a 770 and all. | 23:10 | |
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| kulve | lardman|gone: I wonder if I should use global ip_bufs instead of a private one.. | 23:21 |
| Mikho | Does anyone know which signal is emitted when I lift the stylus off the screen when it's top of a widget? I want to supress it | 23:23 |
| Mikho | Or if someone knows how to supress the automatic focus hilight from buttons | 23:24 |
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| timelyx | Jaffa: =) | 23:29 |
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| m-vo | Kree! | 23:35 |
| m-vo | (Or how do you spell it?) | 23:35 |
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| khermans | procto, msg me | 23:39 |
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| khermans | procto, mike!!! | 23:43 |
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| pupnik | here's something i don't understand - xomap seems to have shm | 23:49 |
| pupnik | "Using the MIT-SHM extension " | 23:49 |
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| pupnik | since this game can do xlib+shm, it should be way faster than going through sdl | 23:49 |
| Justin | Mikho: ooh, I know how to do that...using gtk right? | 23:49 |
| konttori_ | does anyone know who is the IDEA developer? | 23:49 |
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| Justin | Mikho: button.set_focus_on_click(False) | 23:50 |
| pupnik | he was in this channel a few months ago i think - logs should show it | 23:50 |
| konttori_ | I love the IDEA, but I would also like it to love ukmp. For some reason it won't open ukmp. | 23:50 |
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| sparrw | disq? | 23:57 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that disq is correct, although having a linux pc (even a live cd distro) is a lot, lot easier and more useful in the long run | 23:57 |
| * sparrw cries | 23:57 | |
| sparrw | _Monkey: forget disq | 23:57 |
| _Monkey | sparrw: I forgot disq | 23:57 |
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| sparrw | trevarth1n: im on a 770. the [: ==: thing is a python syntax error | 23:58 |
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| sparrw | the segfault might be dpkg dying after kagu bails | 23:58 |
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