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| setite | im thinking of getting a new router | 00:16 |
| setite | i dont like freenode | 00:16 |
| setite | my connection keeps dropping but i dont know till i go ot send a message | 00:17 |
| setite | my other server connections are holding fine | 00:17 |
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| setite | im gonna install vmware so i can install ubuntu and scratchbox | 00:30 |
| wollop | wtf is scratchox | 00:31 |
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| jumpula | canonical repositories contained packaged version of vmware-server | 00:35 |
| jumpula | if i remember correctly | 00:35 |
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| jumpula | and if you're running ubuntu on your host :) | 00:35 |
| setite | i use windows:) | 00:35 |
| setite | ok how much space is on eth n800 for installing apps | 00:37 |
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| pupnik | enough space | 00:46 |
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| amr | how hard is it to get the sdk running on mac os x | 00:50 |
| amr | or is it a no go | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: OSX is No | 01:09 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 01:09 |
| trevarthan | OSX? | 01:10 |
| _Monkey | somebody said OSX was No | 01:10 |
| trevarthan | _Monkey, that doesn't make sense. | 01:10 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: huh? | 01:10 |
| trevarthan | _Monkey, you're an idiot. | 01:10 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: what? | 01:10 |
| trevarthan | _Monkey, you're never getting access to my git repository. | 01:10 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: what? | 01:10 |
| amr | pupnik, that was me | 01:11 |
| trevarthan | I love abusing robots. | 01:11 |
| amr | oh snap i just noticed monkey is a bot | 01:11 |
| pupnik | OSX? | 01:12 |
| _Monkey | OSX is probably not a good environment for scratchbox. Google says it is possible to run virtualisatino with VMware and Parallels desktop, wherein a linux OS running scratchbox is possible. | 01:12 |
| pupnik | if someone has a better answer... | 01:13 |
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| Phil770 | does anyone know if/how I can play back AMR audio streams on the 770 when the url is rtsp://blah as opposed to http://blah ? | 01:14 |
| Phil770 | the audioplayer seems to forcibly insert http:// in front of everything | 01:14 |
| pupnik | how about "OSX is Steve Jobs' shiny rip-off of gnu/bsd. Enjoy your walled garden." | 01:15 |
| eichi | someone has the GPSlim256? | 01:16 |
| eichi | 236 | 01:16 |
| Phil770 | where would be a good place to ask that question I just did ? I'm guessing no-one here knows... | 01:23 |
| erstazi | Phil770, let me look | 01:25 |
| erstazi | Phil770, just got back | 01:25 |
| Phil770 | oh, thank you. | 01:25 |
| Phil770 | I was reading http://maemo.org/community/wiki/realplaybacktips | 01:26 |
| erstazi | Phil770, I never used AMR audio streams, but from my knowledge, you could have slimserver could transcode the rtsp://blah to an mp3 stream | 01:26 |
| Phil770 | but I can't play back the rtsp links in the video player either | 01:26 |
| amr | highlight :-))) | 01:26 |
| erstazi | amr, sorry heh | 01:26 |
| erstazi | slimserver would be on a pc and it would stream to your 770 | 01:26 |
| amr | no problem lol | 01:26 |
| Phil770 | the problem isn't the format it's the server protocol / url | 01:27 |
| erstazi | Phil770, yes, and transcoding that would work then | 01:27 |
| Phil770 | AMR is stated as being a supported format for streams in the audio player's helpfile | 01:27 |
| erstazi | but maybe not the rtsp protocol | 01:27 |
| erstazi | let me read up on it first | 01:27 |
| erstazi | Phil770, I might not respond as soon as possible, trying to tar up backups | 01:28 |
| Phil770 | fyi; http://support.bbc.co.uk/3g/s/ | 01:28 |
| Phil770 | all the bbc streams | 01:28 |
| erstazi | Phil770, you prefer bbc streams? | 01:28 |
| Phil770 | prefer to what ? | 01:29 |
| erstazi | Phil770, other streams from other sources | 01:29 |
| amr | i would love a bbc radio1 stream that works in either the desktop player or canola | 01:29 |
| Phil770 | exactly amr | 01:29 |
| erstazi | I am suspecting that you are using a nokia 770 with OS2006/maemo 2.x? | 01:29 |
| Phil770 | I got radio 1 working using the .ram stream in realplayer | 01:29 |
| Phil770 | but it's a bit cumbersome | 01:29 |
| Phil770 | erstazi: yes, 3.2006.49-2 | 01:29 |
| _Monkey | i think 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date | 01:29 |
| erstazi | ok | 01:30 |
| Phil770 | just got it 2 days ago, about £80. I suspect loads of people have been buying them since the cheap ones appeared | 01:30 |
| pupnik | Playing rtsp://132.185.226.72/farm/bbc3g/rtpe/amr/bbc1.sdp. | 01:30 |
| pupnik | Connecting to server 132.185.226.72[132.185.226.72]: 554... | 01:30 |
| Phil770 | is that working for you pupnik ? | 01:30 |
| pupnik | librtsp: server responds: 'RTSP/1.0 459 Aggregate operation not allowed' | 01:30 |
| erstazi | interesting | 01:30 |
| Phil770 | ah... | 01:30 |
| Phil770 | I'll pass that along. | 01:31 |
| amr | yeah i got mine 2 days ago too | 01:31 |
| Phil770 | I know the people wh maintain it. | 01:31 |
| amr | who maintain the bbc streams? | 01:31 |
| erstazi | I was just going to test it, pupnik but you beat me to the chase again haha | 01:31 |
| pupnik | this was with mplayer | 01:31 |
| pupnik | mplayer i think tries to grab several chunks for its cache | 01:31 |
| Phil770 | amr: people I know :p | 01:31 |
| pupnik | maybe streamtuner can handle it | 01:32 |
| Phil770 | how do you enter urls into mplayer ? | 01:32 |
| amr | Phil770, tell them to sort out some pls or m3u streams! | 01:32 |
| Phil770 | i couldn't figure that one out | 01:32 |
| Phil770 | or are you running it from command line ? | 01:32 |
| pupnik | from xterm | 01:32 |
| Phil770 | ah, right. | 01:32 |
| pupnik | ty for the bbc stream urls btw | 01:32 |
| Phil770 | amr: they won't be doing that, politics. | 01:32 |
| amr | :-( | 01:32 |
| Phil770 | yeah, they're kinda for dev use, don't go mass publicising them | 01:33 |
| Phil770 | they're neither public nor private | 01:33 |
| amr | does anyone know of a nice util that will convert pdfs into plain html or text | 01:33 |
| amr | unfortunately fbreader doesnt like pdf :( | 01:33 |
| erstazi | amr, online | 01:33 |
| amr | ive looked but theyve messed up the formatting | 01:33 |
| erstazi | amr, google for PDF to text | 01:33 |
| erstazi | ah | 01:33 |
| amr | ive had adobe's online one converting a 1.4 mb pdf to text for about 20 minutes now | 01:34 |
| erstazi | or PDF to html | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | ame poppler-utils | 01:34 |
| pupnik | *amr | 01:34 |
| erstazi | or PDF to doc, gmail has a PDF to doc feature | 01:34 |
| amr | that doesnt keep paragraphs pupnik :( | 01:34 |
| amr | hmm ill try that | 01:34 |
| amr | ty | 01:34 |
| Phil770 | I suppose it depends whether you can just extract the text like when you copy-paste, or if it's stored as an image, like a tiff file, and you have to pass it through OCR | 01:34 |
| amr | its text, i can highlght it in preview on os x | 01:34 |
| amr | but it line breaks at the end of a line | 01:35 |
| amr | if you understand what i mean | 01:35 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/streamtuner/ <<< am i an idiot, or does this download page HAVE NO DOWNLOAD LINK? | 01:36 |
| Phil770 | oh, while I'm here.... | 01:36 |
| Phil770 | sorry to ask a dumb newbie question, but why doesn't the 770 have a handler for .deb files as standard ? | 01:36 |
| erstazi | pupnik, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/streamtuner/ | 01:36 |
| erstazi | Phil770, it does | 01:37 |
| Phil770 | I mean, I'd expect to be able to click the link and install it, but noooo | 01:37 |
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| Phil770 | it does ? | 01:37 |
| erstazi | Phil770, you just cannot download any deb, it has to be for the ARM arch | 01:37 |
| Phil770 | oh I know that | 01:37 |
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| erstazi | Phil770, also you have to have the deb work with your OS2006 | 01:37 |
| erstazi | and not OS2007 | 01:37 |
| Phil770 | I was trying to install UKMP/uktube from maemo.org | 01:37 |
| amr | bugger, gmail also linebreaks in the middle of a paragraph | 01:37 |
| Phil770 | and the browser doesn't know what to do with a .deb file | 01:37 |
| erstazi | amr, I think you might be SOL | 01:37 |
| amr | thats disappointing :( | 01:38 |
| erstazi | Phil770, I never had that problem | 01:38 |
| Phil770 | hmm. | 01:38 |
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| erstazi | application manager loads right up | 01:38 |
| Phil770 | I wonder what I have broken then... | 01:38 |
| Phil770 | gah, fecking thing. | 01:38 |
| erstazi | well, hard to say | 01:39 |
| Phil770 | perhaps the mime type is bad or something | 01:39 |
| Phil770 | it detects it as application/x-stream or something | 01:39 |
| pupnik | i used to do some postscript hacking back in 1993 and 2003 but pdf has gotten too sick and cancerous and evil and disgusting to look at now | 01:39 |
| erstazi | yeah | 01:40 |
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| erstazi | Phil770, you just got to make sure the deb is for the ARM architecture and works with OS2006 | 01:40 |
| erstazi | and you should be golden | 01:40 |
| erstazi | oh and have the correct libraries | 01:41 |
| Phil770 | that's not my problem though | 01:41 |
| erstazi | Phil770, how is it not your problem? | 01:41 |
| Phil770 | it's the ukmp file for the 770 from maemo.org, the browser just has no idea how to handle a .deb file | 01:41 |
| erstazi | let me try it | 01:41 |
| amr | i hate pdfs | 01:41 |
| Phil770 | sorry, when I say "That's not my problem" I mean "that's not the problem I am having" as opposed to "it must be someone else's problem" | 01:41 |
| erstazi | Phil770, 63% of text is misread by people | 01:42 |
| Phil770 | heh | 01:42 |
| Phil770 | yeah, here we go; | 01:42 |
| Phil770 | File name: UKMP-1.5.deb | 01:43 |
| erstazi | Phil770, what is the full name of the app you want to isntall? | 01:43 |
| Phil770 | file type: application/x-archive | 01:43 |
| Phil770 | file size 187 kB | 01:43 |
| Phil770 | Open with: No application to open with | 01:43 |
| Phil770 | ... | 01:43 |
| Phil770 | and so I can save, or cancel | 01:43 |
| Phil770 | I would just use application manager but although I've put in just about every repository list I can find, it's never listed as an available app | 01:44 |
| erstazi | Phil770, do you have python installed? | 01:44 |
| Phil770 | no, but even if that were a dependancy for UKMP that shouldn't prevent the browser from handling .deb files ? | 01:45 |
| erstazi | Phil770, no, I have the same issue, I cannot open it, only save it | 01:45 |
| pupnik | i love mplayer. 1.3% cpu playing back radio streams | 01:45 |
| erstazi | pupnik, mplayer is light weight | 01:45 |
| Phil770 | pupnik: where's a good place to find a list of 770 compatible streams ? | 01:45 |
| pupnik | i just installed streamtuner and they work | 01:45 |
| erstazi | pupnik, those bbc streams? | 01:46 |
| pupnik | no those dont | 01:46 |
| pupnik | why doesn't the default nokia radio app find all the streams that streamtuner knows about? | 01:47 |
| erstazi | pupnik, well, that is a good question, I think thats why the maemo community exists | 01:48 |
| erstazi | Phil770, if you save as, then double tap it, it can install it but you need python libs and mplayer | 01:49 |
| erstazi | that is an odd mime type for it | 01:49 |
| Phil770 | aha, thanks | 01:50 |
| pupnik | shoutcast has a fair amount of UI work left to do | 01:50 |
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| setite | n800 can read FAT cards right | 01:56 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:57 |
| setite | im having a helluva time trying to put a tv show on an sd card | 02:00 |
| setite | windows is not playing nicely | 02:00 |
| setite | said card needed a format but wouldnt format it | 02:00 |
| setite | i wonder if i still have fat32format | 02:00 |
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| setite | yes i do... i will use that | 02:01 |
| bldewolf | so does anyone have any suggestions for a program for storing passwords securely on a 770? All the open source projects I find use Qt or some other library not provided | 02:02 |
| erstazi | bldewolf, personally, I dislike storing passwords, very untrustworthy in my eyes... I cannot give you a valid suggestion other than don't do that | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | i could only suggest compiling a command-line encryption program | 02:07 |
| pupnik | i think bldewolf has a good question though - a portable device should have a convenient way to encrypt local data | 02:08 |
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| pupnik | possibly something at the filesystem level - a directory/folder wherein everything is automatically encrypted, or a flag for files that automatically encrypts | 02:09 |
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| pupnik | plenty of businesspeople have valuable information that they may not leave unencrypted on a portable device | 02:10 |
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| pupnik | bldewolf: did you see 'Password Safe'? http://www.holistech.co.uk/pwsafe.php | 02:12 |
| senuxis | ihuihj | 02:13 |
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| pupnik | bldewolf: ping | 02:16 |
| setite | lalaa | 02:17 |
| pupnik | the guy shows up here asking the same question for three days, and it's findable in a quick google search | 02:18 |
| pupnik | then i dig up the software for him and he goes AWOL | 02:20 |
| pupnik | pretty f*in annoying | 02:20 |
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| unique311 | lol | 02:46 |
| bldewolf | pupnik: :( | 02:46 |
| pupnik | bldewolf: i'm just angry at myself right now - sorry | 02:54 |
| erstazi | pupnik, do you need a maemo-hug? | 02:56 |
| pupnik | heh thanks no | 02:59 |
| pupnik | i need some 'win' today | 03:00 |
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| erstazi | win? windows? | 03:03 |
| pupnik | win = success | 03:04 |
| erstazi | ah heh | 03:04 |
| erstazi | I was being sarcastic | 03:04 |
| pupnik | ok here's the plan - up to 3 hours on cdrmooby, then the rest of the day fixing up ur-quan masters issues | 03:07 |
| pupnik | cdrmooby is almost a guaranteed fail though | 03:07 |
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| setyte | ok divx is not playing on 800 | 03:26 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, do I need a gpg key to successfully release files on maemo garage? | 03:39 |
| trevarthan | I built my new version of kagu, and I'm about to release it, but I got this message: gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani <jesse@guardiani.us>": secret key not available | 03:40 |
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| trevarthan | Can I release anyway? Or do I need a secret key? | 03:40 |
| setite | how do i make the camera look better | 03:45 |
| pupnik | i don't remember making a key | 03:45 |
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| setite | its got all sorts of bluiish purple dots | 03:45 |
| setite | is that a lighting thign>? | 03:45 |
| pupnik | google "purple fringing" and camera | 03:46 |
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| trevarthan | gpg: protection algorithm 3 is not supported | 04:19 |
| trevarthan | gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani <jesse@guardiani.us>": unknown cipher algorithm | 04:19 |
| trevarthan | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: unknown cipher algorithm | 04:19 |
| trevarthan | W.T.F. ?!? | 04:19 |
| trevarthan | Is there a howto for this? Cause it ain't easy. | 04:20 |
| disq | there's one people automatically get when they get the garage upload access | 04:24 |
| disq | should be one in debian packaging docs too | 04:24 |
| trevarthan | so I can't create my own? | 04:25 |
| disq | no, the howto i mean | 04:25 |
| trevarthan | I've got to log into garage and sign up for upload access first? | 04:25 |
| trevarthan | oh | 04:25 |
| disq | you upload your key to garage afterwards | 04:25 |
| disq | checked the automated garage mail, it's for setting up dput and ssh | 04:28 |
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| disq | erm, gh. the shortcuts | 04:29 |
| * disq is away (gone for good) since 04:29 06/08/07 | 04:29 | |
| disq | gh | 04:29 |
| disq | gah. sorry | 04:30 |
| disq | alt key got stuck i should remove that shortcut | 04:30 |
| trevarthan | so I don't sign the deb before I upload it? | 04:30 |
| disq | for garage, you should | 04:30 |
| disq | i just can't tell you what my key type is from the files in my system | 04:30 |
| trevarthan | yeah. I don't know how to create the key. scratchbox lets me create DSA, but that's it. | 04:31 |
| disq | my key isn't in scratchbox environment, it's for root in fact | 04:31 |
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| disq | also I didn't create a key, I imported one from PGP i think | 04:32 |
| trevarthan | well, that's a problem. my only debian system is scratchbox. | 04:33 |
| trevarthan | And it only lets me create (2) DSA keys. And those apparently don't work for clearsign, or something | 04:33 |
| disq | how's the new theme btw | 04:34 |
| trevarthan | you want to check it out? I'll send you the file. | 04:34 |
| disq | yeah i will | 04:34 |
| trevarthan | I'm not using it in this upcoming release yet though. | 04:34 |
| trevarthan | disq: sent it to ya. | 04:39 |
| trevarthan | disq: hey man, you want to roll this release too? I'm not sure what I'm gonna do about the GPG thing. | 04:39 |
| disq | okay, anything new in changelog or just "Released 1.0.2" or so? | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | kagu (1.0.2) unstable; urgency=low | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | * Many performance enhancements | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | * Lower RAM usage | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | * Fixed a few bugs in the theme engine | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | * Switched to using mplayer's ffmp3 instead of libmp3 for a2dp playback. | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | ffmp3 is more efficient on ARM. | 04:40 |
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| disq | well you couldjust svn commit :P | 04:41 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, it's got my sig on it though | 04:41 |
| disq | i really want to start working on kagu-config when i find the time | 04:41 |
| trevarthan | yeah. themes and seek. that's gonna be my focus for the next release. | 04:42 |
| trevarthan | I'm more or less happy with the performance at this point, unless someone complains after the release. | 04:42 |
| disq | i had some mp3 not playing problems with ossoplayer, couldn't really trace them. maybe it was a weird-state problem | 04:44 |
| trevarthan | all of my "not playing" problems have been solved by clicking "OK" again. you? | 04:45 |
| disq | i was on the road at the time | 04:45 |
| trevarthan | fix 'em as you find 'em. that's what I do. | 04:46 |
| disq | my key is a 1024 bit dsa key btw, just figured it out during signing | 04:46 |
| trevarthan | let me try that here | 04:47 |
| disq | ahh forgot to update the version in setup.py hope it doesn't cause any packaging glitches. installs fine tho | 04:49 |
| disq | and i uploaded it already, now uploading to garage | 04:49 |
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| trevarthan | 1024 bit dsa is created fine, but when creating a deb I get: | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | gpg: protection algorithm 3 is not supported | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani <jesse@guardiani.us>": unknown cipher algorithm | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: unknown cipher algorithm | 04:51 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, trevarthan. | 04:51 |
| disq | _Monkey: gpg: protection algorithm 3? | 04:52 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... protection algorithm 3 is not supported | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | lol | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | forget gpg: protection algorithm 3 | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | forget gpg: protection algorithm 3 | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | _Monkey: forget gpg: protection algorithm 3 | 04:52 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan, I didn't have anything matching gpg: protection algorithm 3 | 04:52 |
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| disq | release on garage, repos will be updated in 8 or so minutes | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | whatever. | 04:52 |
| disq | editing the maemo.org download page now :) | 04:53 |
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| kriebz | I have crossed the vast internets to join others who think that cargo pockets were made to hold Debian | 05:00 |
| trevarthan | lol. yeah they were. | 05:00 |
| kriebz | 770 = best $135 my girlfriend will ever spend on me | 05:00 |
| pupnik | good girl | 05:01 |
| erstazi | kriebz, that is a great deal they ran, was it buy.com? | 05:01 |
| kriebz | woot | 05:01 |
| kriebz | it might have even been a bit cheaper | 05:02 |
| erstazi | kriebz is from my LoCo team and I was shocked to find someone else with a 770 but I guess it is a small world | 05:03 |
| erstazi | heh | 05:03 |
| trevarthan | n800 fits in my jean's pocket. Almost exactly the size of a check box. | 05:03 |
| erstazi | this is a great community of people though, many serious developers and packagers | 05:03 |
| kriebz | I'm sad to see the platform move past the 770 | 05:04 |
| kriebz | although there are some serious drawbacks to the 770 | 05:04 |
| erstazi | kriebz, what do you mean the platform move past the 770? | 05:04 |
| kriebz | the newest whatever from Nokia only runs on the N800 | 05:04 |
| erstazi | pupnik, you know how I said these tablets can take a beating? I dropped mine twice today, haha thank god there is not a harddrive in this! | 05:05 |
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| erstazi | kriebz, well, you could get OS2007HE, pupnik there dual boots I believe still | 05:05 |
| pupnik | erstazi: what is LoCo? | 05:05 |
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| kriebz | ubuntu users group | 05:05 |
| kriebz | we're both from PA | 05:06 |
| erstazi | pupnik, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loco_team | 05:06 |
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| kriebz | here's a weird question: can the onscreen keyboard be modified | 05:09 |
| kriebz | it's not very UNIX friendly | 05:09 |
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| erstazi | kriebz, no its not, especially for - | 05:09 |
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| erstazi | kriebz, I have found that if you press the shift key on the virtual keyboard, it will give you more unix-ey characters | 05:10 |
| kriebz | well, it will do the chars above the numbers, and some more braces | 05:10 |
| kriebz | also, terminal emulation is really, really bad | 05:11 |
| kriebz | am I using the wrong terminal program or something? | 05:11 |
| pupnik | xkbd is an alternative keyboard that lets you set up your own layout http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 05:11 |
| erstazi | kriebz, also, get xterm (advanced) and not just xterm | 05:12 |
| pupnik | can you be more specific about what terminal emulation problems you are experiencing kriebz? | 05:12 |
| kriebz | yes. backspaces never render properly | 05:12 |
| erstazi | you need xterm (advanced) then | 05:12 |
| kriebz | who is regular xterm for then? | 05:13 |
| erstazi | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 05:13 |
| erstazi | kriebz, um... no clue haha | 05:13 |
| erstazi | kriebz, also, I have a sources.list that includes most of the *best* repos at http://c-wd.net/sources.list | 05:13 |
| pupnik | the old xterm had a courier font that was horrid, the new one is much nicer | 05:14 |
| erstazi | all the ones that require gpg are commented out because I haven't had the time to get the keys inputted into certificates | 05:14 |
| kriebz | cool | 05:16 |
| kriebz | installing the new xterm | 05:16 |
| kriebz | the UKMP thing doesn't run | 05:16 |
| erstazi | kriebz, you need python and the libs for it and also mplayer | 05:17 |
| trevarthan | I don't think you need mplayer for UKMP. Only necessary if you want to do video, I think. | 05:20 |
| erstazi | and a cigarette | 05:20 |
| erstazi | trevarthan, well for uktube | 05:21 |
| erstazi | and playback of youtube flac | 05:21 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 05:21 |
| erstazi | same thing sorry | 05:21 |
| erstazi | I am losing it | 05:21 |
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| trevarthan | New version of Kagu is out (1.0.2) if anyone wants to try it. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8513 | 05:23 |
| * pupnik will test | 05:24 | |
| pupnik | nice - includes install link... (applauds) | 05:24 |
| erstazi | heh | 05:26 |
| erstazi | I will try it in a bit | 05:26 |
| erstazi | I had it installed but I had to uninstall it | 05:26 |
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| erstazi | ok time to do some partition work be back | 05:29 |
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| rwhitby | trevarthan: did you get anywhere on being able to playback mono audio files on a mono bluetooth headset? | 05:33 |
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| rwhitby | (e.g. for podcast listening on your normal mono BT headset that you normally use for phone calls) | 05:34 |
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| pupnik | os2006 is pretty stable | 05:36 |
| trevarthan | rwhitby: no, not really. It hasn't been a huge priority for me as I've got an A2DP BT headset. It's a good idea though. | 05:38 |
| pupnik | kagu install link "Unable to complete secure transaction" https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/304/205/kagu.install (?) trevarthan | 05:38 |
| trevarthan | hmmm.... worked for me... probably a mirror update in progress? | 05:39 |
| trevarthan | try it again I guess | 05:39 |
| pupnik | it should work without me being logged into maemo.org, yes? | 05:39 |
| rwhitby | just worked for me too | 05:39 |
| trevarthan | rwhitby: tell you what. I need to add seek support before audio books are even possible in Kagu. Once I've done that, I'll take a look at packaging up the Bluetooth-ALSA tools, and when that's done I'll have a look at mono BT audio. Sound good? | 05:40 |
| pupnik | logged in and got same error | 05:40 |
| rwhitby | trevarthan: sounds awesome :-) | 05:41 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: could it be a 770 specific error maybe? | 05:41 |
| kriebz | the python I find on maemo.org won't install on the 770 | 05:42 |
| trevarthan | rwhitby: just for you man: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/17 | 05:43 |
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| trevarthan | kriebz: it doesn't install on the n800 either. get it here... | 05:44 |
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| trevarthan | python? | 05:44 |
| _Monkey | python is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! | 05:44 |
| trevarthan | get it there kriebz. | 05:44 |
| pupnik | maemo-recorder.install works | 05:44 |
| kriebz | ty | 05:44 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: might just be your mirror. | 05:45 |
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| kriebz | thanks, guys | 05:52 |
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| trevarthan | I'm gonna go play some Shadow Run. | 05:54 |
| disq | i'll head to bed, night | 05:56 |
| disq | good release! | 05:56 |
| pupnik_ | cheers then | 05:56 |
| trevarthan | night disq! thanks for the help with the release. | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | only difference i could see was that in another one repo_deb came before repo_deb_3 | 05:57 |
| trevarthan | pupnik_: is it working for you yet? | 05:58 |
| pupnik_ | no | 05:58 |
| pupnik_ | when i connect to maemo.org it asks me to accept an untrusted certificate | 05:59 |
| pupnik_ | i also tried putting a modified kagu.install on http://pupnik.de/kagu.install but opening that just gives me the text file | 05:59 |
| trevarthan | :) strange. | 05:59 |
| disq | garage.maemo.org [62.61.85.33] | 05:59 |
| disq | check if the ip is the same or not, if not then it's the akamai mirror(s)? | 06:00 |
| disq | erm sorry not garage | 06:00 |
| disq | repository.maemo.org a515.g.akamai.net [216.66.33.89] | 06:00 |
| disq | the ip keeps changing for me tho | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | opening from a pc gives me the install file to download | 06:00 |
| disq | could try checking out which version is the lastest for you here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/k/kagu/ | 06:01 |
| disq | if it's doesn't contain 1.0.2 then it's the mirror | 06:01 |
| disq | s/'s// | 06:02 |
| infobot | disq meant: if it doesn't contain 1.0.2 then it's the mirror | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | well you can see it's looking for garage.maemo.org | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | Name: a515.g.akamai.net | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | Addresses: 195.50.169.88, 195.50.169.96 | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | Name: garage.maemo.org | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | Address: 62.61.85.33 | 06:02 |
| disq | g.akamai is Addresses: 216.66.33.89, 216.66.33.74 | 06:02 |
| disq | try nameserver 4.2.2.2 :P | 06:03 |
| disq | <- gone, night | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | ok thx cheers | 06:03 |
| trevarthan | pupnik_: my advice? wait until tomorrow, then try it. | 06:03 |
| trevarthan | probably iron itself out by then | 06:03 |
| trevarthan | kriebz: any luck with you? | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | i can install it with apt-get | 06:04 |
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| trevarthan | I hate microsoft, but I sure love my 360. only ms product I own. | 06:05 |
| trevarthan | I need to get one of those $135 770s for my 5 year old son to play with. | 06:06 |
| trevarthan | I don't let him play with my n800 much cause I'm afraid he'll break it. He loves TuxPaint though. | 06:07 |
| pupnik_ | yeah that gets rave reviews | 06:07 |
| pupnik_ | i assume you play shadowrun on-line? | 06:08 |
| trevarthan | it's awesome. I gotta admit it. yeah. shadowrun on xbox live. I love it. | 06:08 |
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| pupnik_ | i'm afraid python is more of an n800 thing | 06:10 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik_: why? too slow of the 770? | 06:16 |
| trevarthan | or just not available? | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | 14.5 MB space | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | btw i start kagu, see a white screen with "OK" and "Exit" at bottom | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | there's a grey bar at the bottom, and a region on the right with a grey gradient | 06:17 |
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| pupnik_ | quitting works though | 06:18 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik_: you've run the scanner already? | 06:21 |
| trevarthan | do you have any mp3s? | 06:21 |
| pupnik_ | i started kagu just with the media player - it invoked the scanner and showed about 30 mp3s found on mmc | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | then it quit and told me to run the media player | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | then i ran the media player and got a white screen with 'ok' | 06:22 |
| trevarthan | try it again. | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | the scanner? | 06:22 |
| trevarthan | no, the media player | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | i did - three starts same result | 06:22 |
| trevarthan | I think maybe you hit the hardware back button before the white screen came up. | 06:23 |
| trevarthan | it's not showing your album covers for some reason. run the scanner again? | 06:23 |
| pupnik_ | what album covers? | 06:24 |
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| pupnik_ | i just have mp3s | 06:24 |
| setite | whats good for video playback | 06:24 |
| setite | mplayer seems to have stopped stuttering for the most part... | 06:25 |
| setite | its a little choppy | 06:25 |
| trevarthan | the scanner downloads them for you. you got an internet connection on that 770? | 06:25 |
| pupnik_ | yes, but a) these mp3s aren't from albums and b) what if i start kagu without an internet connection? | 06:26 |
| trevarthan | you can start kagu with wifi, just not the scanner. | 06:26 |
| trevarthan | it should show up as a CDROM image if it can't find an album. | 06:27 |
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| setite | no one watches movies on their n770 or n800 | 06:28 |
| setite | like nonstreaming off mem card | 06:29 |
| setite | maybe my memcard is too slow??? | 06:29 |
| pupnik_ | all the teme bro | 06:29 |
| pupnik_ | youtubes and transcoded movies | 06:29 |
| setite | well not youtube... | 06:29 |
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| setite | just actual video from the card itself... like a tv episode | 06:30 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer | 06:30 |
| setite | i guess media is not what it can do... it sucks on action scenes... do you just accept that part | 06:30 |
| trevarthan | setite: you smokin crack. works fine. use 770encode.pl | 06:30 |
| setite | whats that | 06:31 |
| _Monkey | that is probably part of the puzzle collection | 06:31 |
| setite | ill get super and encode it to psp | 06:31 |
| trevarthan | don't listen to monkey. he's a bot | 06:33 |
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| trevarthan | forget that | 06:36 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot that | 06:36 |
| trevarthan | xbox live just went down. I hate microsoft. | 06:37 |
| trevarthan | so, what's up with kagu on your 770, pupnik? | 06:38 |
| trevarthan | ever get it working? | 06:38 |
| trevarthan | you running python2.5, btw? | 06:38 |
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| setite | ok got some windows app | 06:55 |
| setite | im busting the resolution and bitrate down | 06:55 |
| setite | if it plays this bitrate at close to perfect then lowering it 25% or so should be sexy | 06:55 |
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| pupnik_ | report is on the forums trev | 07:02 |
| setite | is there a way to stop the video app from opening when i open the camera | 07:05 |
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| trevarthan | that was awefully harsh pupnik. | 07:15 |
| bldewolf | so what exactly is wrong when it says "unable to complete secure transaction"? I can't get on garage.maemo.org :-/ | 07:15 |
| pupnik_ | there's some issue with certificates on maemo.org | 07:16 |
| trevarthan | pupnik_: I test all that crap for you, then you ream my app on a public forum. what's up with that man? | 07:18 |
| pupnik_ | I should complement the handling of the menu button | 07:19 |
| pupnik_ | (editing) | 07:19 |
| unique311 | hellos | 07:19 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: I can't do anything about the garage cert issue. that's not my fault man. take that crap off. | 07:20 |
| pupnik_ | i'll mention that it's a garage problem and that users experiencing it should use package manager with that extras repo | 07:21 |
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| unique311 | trevarthan, i didn't get nothing done today, I was busy cleaning my desktop. Took it apart and clean the insides, then put it back together and clean the the junk I won't need anymore from the hardrives... | 07:24 |
| trevarthan | unique311: np. | 07:25 |
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| unique311 | have to defrag all partitions, as soon as i'm done with a couple of hefty downloads that are in progress | 07:27 |
| unique311 | tried out the new kagu.... | 07:28 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik_: dude, I hate that review you wrote. that really sucks man. Under normal circumstances I would love to help you figure out why you got a blank screen and why it took so long to connect to dbus, but you made me so angry with that review that I don't even want to deal with it. | 07:29 |
| pupnik_ | i respect everyone who writes software, but i'm not going to censor my user experience or opinions | 07:30 |
| unique311 | that bad | 07:30 |
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| unique311 | i need to check this out.. | 07:30 |
| unique311 | i didn't have no issues with the upgrade.. | 07:30 |
| unique311 | blank screen.. | 07:32 |
| unique311 | maybe he didn't run scanner first.. | 07:32 |
| unique311 | looks like no albums were found.. | 07:32 |
| unique311 | thats not a bug | 07:32 |
| unique311 | you need to run kagu music scanner first.. after that completes it should find your albums.. | 07:33 |
| trevarthan | It is a bug. Maybe it didn't find any albums or any mp3s with id3 tags. In which case Kagu should say "no music found". | 07:33 |
| trevarthan | mostly we expect people to run Kagu when they have music to play though, so I didn't test that case. | 07:33 |
| unique311 | pupnik_, did you run scanner? | 07:33 |
| pupnik_ | i first clicked on media player, and that invoked scanner | 07:33 |
| unique311 | ok | 07:34 |
| pupnik_ | oh well i'll delete the post | 07:34 |
| unique311 | lol | 07:35 |
| unique311 | i like the post....blunt. | 07:35 |
| unique311 | not sure if thats the word. | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | well i realize there are people who like more slickness in a media player | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | trev's release wasn't the place to discuss general design philosophy | 07:36 |
| trevarthan | no, it wasn't. | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | so it's gone. apologies | 07:38 |
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| setite | hey all | 07:41 |
| setite | when i get married to my n800.. will you gus come | 07:41 |
| setite | guys* | 07:42 |
| pupnik_ | on the constructive side, i'd suggest 1) query user before scanning 2) query user before connecting to internet and associating cover art, 2) use the filename if no ID3 tag found 3) provide a more usable screen if no media is found | 07:42 |
| pupnik_ | am, and renumber that | 07:43 |
| trevarthan | I like #2. | 07:46 |
| trevarthan | The second #2. | 07:46 |
| trevarthan | I don't like the first #2. | 07:47 |
| trevarthan | I like #1. we already inform them. I guess we need a cancel. | 07:47 |
| trevarthan | I agree with #3. | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | that's one of the fun things about releasing software - you run into weirdos with edge-cases like me | 07:48 |
| pupnik_ | :P | 07:48 |
| pupnik_ | It's one reason i always try to avoid a rigid design/implementation schedule when i do professional work. | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | Germans businesses in particular seem to have trouble adapting to an iterave design model. | 07:49 |
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| pupnik_ | *iterative | 07:50 |
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| pupnik_ | But all the meetings and analysis in the world isn't going to cover the real world use. | 07:50 |
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| Luria | anyone having problems getting microb to save about : config settings? | 07:54 |
| trevarthan | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/18 | 07:57 |
| trevarthan | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/19 | 07:58 |
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| trevarthan | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/20 | 08:06 |
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| pupnik_ | cool | 08:14 |
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| unique311 | anyone using gizmo? | 08:42 |
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| trevarthan | not I | 08:55 |
| unique311 | i will be using it now.. | 08:57 |
| unique311 | the 747 number they give you for free, can be used as a forward # for grandcentrals number to get calls to the device.. | 08:58 |
| unique311 | i tried calling the gizmo number but got a message that says the number is not in service. | 08:59 |
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| unique311 | but when i use it as a forward to number...it works. | 09:00 |
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| pupnik | if you're ever looking for a chopin CD, Vladimir Ashkenazy is the definitive Chopin interpreter | 09:12 |
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| bldewolf | what's the difference between arm and armel? | 09:38 |
| unique311 | the l | 09:39 |
| unique311 | the el* | 09:39 |
| bldewolf | does the EL mean anything? | 09:39 |
| bldewolf | should I build packages different, or is it just to keep regular arm packages from being installed? | 09:40 |
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| pupnik | your question about arm vs armel is answered here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 09:45 |
| bldewolf | ah, that explains the name of the scratchbox toolchain as well, thanks | 09:53 |
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| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65904#post65904 | 09:55 |
| bldewolf | so if I use dpkg to build a package and it produces an arm package instead of an armel package, what did I do wrong? :) | 09:55 |
| unique311 | off topic 10GB storage, 10GB bandwidth monthly....FREE | 09:56 |
| bldewolf | does that mean if you fill it up, you can't use it for a month? Hmmm | 09:57 |
| unique311 | yes | 10:03 |
| unique311 | but i doubt you will fill it up that quick | 10:03 |
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| hermann_348 | yow | 10:03 |
| _Monkey | I'm continually AMAZED at th'breathtaking effects of WIND EROSION!! | 10:03 |
| unique311 | hello hermann_348 | 10:03 |
| hermann_348 | hi | 10:03 |
| hermann_348 | and what are you talking about in this channel? | 10:04 |
| unique311 | maemo | 10:04 |
| hermann_348 | oh | 10:04 |
| hermann_348 | k | 10:04 |
| unique311 | do you own a n800/770? | 10:04 |
| hermann_348 | no but a 6288 | 10:04 |
| hermann_348 | and a A920 | 10:05 |
| unique311 | k | 10:05 |
| hermann_348 | well cya all | 10:05 |
| unique311 | peace | 10:05 |
| hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=348 | 10:05 |
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| bldewolf | must...resist...clicking... | 10:10 |
| unique311 | resist | 10:14 |
| unique311 | i didnt | 10:14 |
| bldewolf | I went to it without the ref uid :) | 10:15 |
| unique311 | bullshit site | 10:15 |
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| unique311 | bldewolf, why | 10:15 |
| unique311 | hook a brother up... | 10:15 |
| bldewolf | if I'm going to waste my time on a bullshit site, hell if he's going to profit from it | 10:15 |
| unique311 | no | 10:16 |
| unique311 | i'm profitting from it | 10:16 |
| bldewolf | hm? | 10:16 |
| unique311 | i thought you were talking about hermann_248's link | 10:16 |
| bldewolf | I was | 10:16 |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65904#post65904 | 10:16 |
| unique311 | this is different... | 10:17 |
| bldewolf | er, I went to that already | 10:17 |
| bldewolf | I was saying I took off the "ref.php?uid=348" when going to hermann's site so he didn't get referrer point or anything | 10:18 |
| bldewolf | oh, I see. | 10:18 |
| unique311 | ok | 10:18 |
| unique311 | see i was polite with my post | 10:18 |
| unique311 | i made sure it dealt with the devices | 10:19 |
| unique311 | and posted the link on ITT | 10:19 |
| bldewolf | it deals with devices? | 10:20 |
| unique311 | yes | 10:20 |
| unique311 | storage | 10:20 |
| unique311 | online storage | 10:20 |
| unique311 | with good amount of bandwidth | 10:20 |
| unique311 | free online storage for the N800/770 | 10:21 |
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| unique311 | well not exactly made for, but you know, can be used by n800/770 users as a means of online storage | 10:22 |
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| bldewolf | yea | 10:22 |
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| Jyro | Hi | 10:22 |
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| bldewolf | What's up | 10:22 |
| unique311 | hey you got my post jyro | 10:23 |
| Jyro | Is pupnik/unique311 here | 10:23 |
| Jyro | oh yeah | 10:23 |
| Jyro | thanks for quick reply | 10:23 |
| unique311 | np | 10:23 |
| unique311 | so you going to try your hands at hildonizing mtpaint? | 10:23 |
| Jyro | maybe... but I don't yet know whole lot abt what involves in hildonizing | 10:24 |
| Jyro | i have browsed thru the tutorials | 10:25 |
| unique311 | i tried | 10:25 |
| unique311 | by going thru the tutorials..and browsing already hildon apps | 10:25 |
| Jyro | it was neat to see the stylus working with mtpaint (pupnik's version) | 10:25 |
| unique311 | failed at it | 10:25 |
| Jyro | i see | 10:25 |
| unique311 | i compiled mtpaint for the n800 | 10:26 |
| unique311 | it works | 10:26 |
| Jyro | oh u did. | 10:26 |
| Jyro | cool | 10:26 |
| unique311 | i have a video on youtube | 10:26 |
| Jyro | can u give the link | 10:26 |
| unique311 | well pupnik compiled it for the 770 | 10:26 |
| unique311 | give me a sec | 10:26 |
| Jyro | i would like to see the video | 10:26 |
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| Jyro | One neat thing I liked about mtPaint is, all its code is in one place | 10:27 |
| Jyro | not a lot of dependencies | 10:27 |
| unique311 | i don't have a video on youtube.. | 10:28 |
| unique311 | i have 1 on divshare maybe.. | 10:28 |
| unique311 | i have it somewhere | 10:28 |
| unique311 | i hope | 10:28 |
| Jyro | okay | 10:28 |
| Jyro | i am gonna browse through the mtpaint code later this week | 10:28 |
| Jyro | and then i will let u guys know what i come up with | 10:29 |
| Jyro | i jsut wanted to check if anyone else is doing it already... | 10:29 |
| unique311 | i stopped working on it whe my attempts at hildonizing it didn't work out. | 10:30 |
| unique311 | pupnik, might still be working on it.. | 10:30 |
| Jyro | i see | 10:30 |
| unique311 | probably asleep right now. | 10:30 |
| Jyro | hmm | 10:30 |
| unique311 | he is active in here..so just check back ... | 10:30 |
| Jyro | sure | 10:31 |
| unique311 | also i'm willing to help out.. | 10:31 |
| Jyro | I also getting sleepy now.... | 10:31 |
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| pupnik | no work on mtpaint | 10:31 |
| pupnik | you can get the notes off my site | 10:31 |
| Jyro | oh pupnik is there | 10:31 |
| Jyro | yeah i took a look | 10:31 |
| Jyro | i was surprised to see the stylus input working out of the box | 10:32 |
| Jyro | did you have to do nething special for that? | 10:32 |
| Jyro | or the pointing device's linux drivers make it look like just as a mouse pointer? | 10:32 |
| pupnik | no changes to the source | 10:32 |
| unique311 | Jyro, post findings on ITT, also tutorials that help you, and i'll help out..going over the same tutorials. | 10:32 |
| pupnik | just set CFLAGS before running configure | 10:33 |
| Jyro | set CFLAGS to point where? | 10:33 |
| gomiam | Jyro: CFLAGS is the environment variable for pre-defined compiler options | 10:34 |
| gomiam | ;-) | 10:34 |
| Jyro | sure, i know that | 10:34 |
| gomiam | it doesn't point to anywhere | 10:34 |
| pupnik | right now i compile with CFLAGS="-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer" for 770 | 10:35 |
| Jyro | generally CFLAGS has "-I<header file>" | 10:35 |
| Jyro | ok i see | 10:35 |
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| Jyro | thanks guys | 10:37 |
| Jyro | i gtg now | 10:37 |
| pupnik | ok cheers! | 10:37 |
| Jyro | i will update as i make progress | 10:37 |
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| pupnik | lol just tried tuxpaint for the first time... hilarious | 10:41 |
| unique311 | sucks don't it | 10:44 |
| unique311 | had someone refer using that... | 10:45 |
| pupnik | for a kids program it looks fun | 10:45 |
| pupnik | i was interested in how fast it draws with fast stylus motion, and it's the fastest i've seen yet (beats mtpaint, maemopad+) | 10:46 |
| unique311 | but it sucks pupnik. | 10:46 |
| unique311 | i think the description says its for kids.. | 10:46 |
| pupnik | it looks like it's buffering the stylus data when it can't keep up | 10:47 |
| pupnik | yes it's a kids program | 10:48 |
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| unique311 | going to study away at mtpaints source code | 10:48 |
| pupnik | i think mtpaint worked a lot better for you than it did for me | 10:49 |
| bldewolf | so...to build packages in scratchbox for armel, do I have to move my SB target to armel? I think it's on arm, even though I used the armel-rootstrap...am I missing something? | 10:50 |
| pupnik | bldewolf: you did development for arm targets? | 10:51 |
| bldewolf | I have no idea what I'm doing, really. | 10:51 |
| bldewolf | trying to build packages for my 770? | 10:51 |
| pupnik | ok | 10:52 |
| pupnik | well scratchbox is a little confusing with the naming | 10:53 |
| bldewolf | the how-tos/etc are a bit too "do this, then it works!" | 10:53 |
| pupnik | right | 10:53 |
| bldewolf | leaving me wondering why I had to do that to make it work | 10:53 |
| pupnik | for example if i show the Architecture or Sub-architecture in my scratchbox, it says "arm" | 10:53 |
| pupnik | but everything is building correctly as 'armel' | 10:53 |
| pupnik | so that might be throwing you off | 10:54 |
| bldewolf | yeah, armel is a debian convention isn't it? | 10:54 |
| pupnik | right | 10:54 |
| bldewolf | well, when I do dpkg-architecture it still shows up as arm :-/ | 10:55 |
| bldewolf | and armel isn't in the list of "Known Debian Architectures" | 10:55 |
| pupnik | dpkg-architecture | 10:55 |
| pupnik | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=armel | 10:55 |
| pupnik | then ARCH_CPU=arm | 10:55 |
| bldewolf | oooooh | 10:55 |
| bldewolf | hmm | 10:56 |
| bldewolf | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=arm | 10:56 |
| pupnik | :/ | 10:56 |
| pupnik | when I go into sb-menu and "show" target information i get: | 10:56 |
| pupnik | Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm | 10:56 |
| pupnik | Architecture: arm | 10:56 |
| pupnik | Sub-architecture: arm | 10:56 |
| pupnik | C-library: glibc | 10:56 |
| pupnik | Devkits: debian cputransp | 10:56 |
| _Monkey | cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is probably what i have here | 10:56 |
| pupnik | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 | 10:56 |
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| bldewolf | hmm, my devkit selection for debian only gave me debian-sarge, debian-etch, etc | 10:57 |
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| pupnik | you can select multiple devkits before committing your choices | 10:57 |
| bldewolf | should I select all of them? | 10:58 |
| bldewolf | there's no 'debian' | 10:58 |
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| pupnik | perhaps you are using a newer scratchbox | 10:58 |
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| bldewolf | "scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.8-i386.tar.gz" | 10:58 |
| bldewolf | any idea which would be most appropriate for maemo? lenny, sarge, etch | 10:59 |
| pupnik | i guess sarge | 10:59 |
| pupnik | not sure though | 10:59 |
| pupnik | i've been wanting newer debhelper and other utilities | 11:00 |
| bldewolf | on the same subject, I'm using "Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz" but I have no idea if it's the right one :-/ | 11:00 |
| pupnik | maybe that's what using etch gets you | 11:00 |
| dpb_ | you should be using 1.0.7.1 version of the debian devkit | 11:00 |
| bldewolf | all of the how-tos have broken links when linking to where to get it | 11:00 |
| pupnik | ^^ dpb_ | 11:00 |
| bldewolf | will do! | 11:01 |
| pupnik | i added to my sources.list on host system: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian ./ | 11:01 |
| dpb_ | that's wrong | 11:01 |
| pupnik | ok | 11:01 |
| dpb_ | use "http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3 main" | 11:01 |
| dpb_ | wait, that's wrong | 11:02 |
| dpb_ | use "http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3-sdk main" | 11:02 |
| dpb_ | now I got it :) | 11:02 |
| pupnik | that will also work for building gregale / 770 binaries, right? | 11:03 |
| pupnik | with the corresponding darget+rootstrap? | 11:03 |
| bldewolf | oh beautiful! thanks dpb | 11:03 |
| dpb_ | pupnik: I believe so | 11:04 |
| bldewolf | now "apt-get install" doesn't explode with millions of missing packages... | 11:04 |
| pupnik | dpb_: do you know if there is a scratchbox + maemo environment that provides debhelper 5 and associated tools? | 11:04 |
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| pupnik | about 80% of my debian sources specify 5, and a fair number of them really need it | 11:05 |
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| dpb_ | I can't remember. jumpula would know. | 11:06 |
| pupnik | ok thanks | 11:06 |
| * pupnik plays with the xaos fractal zoomer and watches the math errors with amusement | 11:09 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:10 |
| pupnik | moooo | 11:10 |
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| jumpula | pupnik: there is | 11:12 |
| jumpula | install debian devkit 1.0.8 and select debian-etch for your target | 11:12 |
| jumpula | note that you have to re-create the target by hand | 11:12 |
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| pupnik | jumpula: thanks, that sounds very attractive | 11:13 |
| jumpula | and installing breaks the compability with older targets. i think the revised install script know how to create a target which is compatible with debian devkit 1.0.8 | 11:13 |
| jumpula | so, if you user the revised version, nothing should break | 11:14 |
| jumpula | this is due to the removal of the generic debian devkit | 11:14 |
| jumpula | to support different flavors (releases) of debian | 11:14 |
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| pupnik | it will go onto a vmware image for portability then | 11:16 |
| pupnik | also safety - not going to break the current environment | 11:16 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:17 |
| pupnik | hi | 11:17 |
| jumpula | pupnik: that, or in some other location than /scratchbox | 11:19 |
| jumpula | extract the tarballs under /opt for example | 11:19 |
| pupnik | if that works ok... | 11:21 |
| greygoo | moin | 11:22 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:43 |
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| jani | g'day all | 12:51 |
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| acydlord | bah, someone keeps trying to crack in to my account on internettablettalk | 13:12 |
| acydlord | some people have too much time on their hands | 13:12 |
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| Dibblah | Anyone written udev rules to set the input method for an external keyboard (USB)? | 13:46 |
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| greygoo | Dibblah: you got usb host mode working? | 13:59 |
| Dibblah | Yes. | 13:59 |
| greygoo | nice, I tried, but something's not working | 13:59 |
| Dibblah | ? | 13:59 |
| greygoo | pathced kernel (latest one), compiled, flashed. | 13:59 |
| Dibblah | What does dmesg say? | 13:59 |
| Dibblah | Have you used flasher to enable USB host mode? | 14:00 |
| Dibblah | (Not just installed a different kernel) | 14:00 |
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| greygoo | now usb seems not to work at all not in peripheral mode, nor in host mode. dmesg does not say anything, no matter what i plug in | 14:00 |
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| Dibblah | Worked just fine for me... | 14:00 |
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| greygoo | i folllowed the instructions from muru.com | 14:01 |
| Dibblah | "the USB chip doesn't seem to turn on unless +5 volts is supplied to the tablet's USB port" | 14:01 |
| Dibblah | So you need power routed through to the N770. | 14:01 |
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| greygoo | https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ < i used patches from there and the instructions from there. And i have a n800... | 14:02 |
| Dibblah | Did you do –enable-usb-host-mode | 14:02 |
| bigkevmcd | hello, I guess there's no simple apt-gettable cross-compilation setup for Debian/Ubuntu? | 14:03 |
| greygoo | aeh - were, with flasher? No. It was not mentioned on the page containing the patches and docs and nobody mentioned it, so no i haven't ;) | 14:03 |
| Dibblah | Okay. Well, I don't know the N800. It could be (and probably is) different :) | 14:04 |
| greygoo | yes, according to sources on the web it is, sorry to bother you | 14:04 |
| greygoo | I just wonder which magical button i did not press, as everything behaved as expected from the documentation | 14:05 |
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| alp | lo Chili | 14:17 |
| Chili | lol | 14:17 |
| Chili | hey | 14:17 |
| Chili | take it you have a n770 | 14:17 |
| alp | well, i hack on nokia internet tablets :-) | 14:18 |
| Chili | just got mine something to play with | 14:19 |
| Chili | got any recommendations for it? | 14:21 |
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| amr | anyone any idea why http://mp3-vc-128.smgradio.com/listen.pls this stream wont work in canola | 14:21 |
| alp | Chili: i guess it'd be worth playing around with the "IT OS2007 Hacker Edition" firmware if you have a 770 | 14:22 |
| Dibblah | Heh. Looks like I got one of the last cheap N770s in the UK :) | 14:23 |
| Dibblah | (Expansys is no longer listing them) | 14:24 |
| Chili | alp you install that with the niokia upgrader app right? | 14:24 |
| alp | yeah | 14:25 |
| bigkevmcd | Dibblah: play.com have them | 14:25 |
| Chili | no skype yet on the n770 yet, even with IT OS2007 right? | 14:27 |
| Dibblah | Would really, really have liked it if Nokia hadn't used the dual Flash / RAM :( | 14:27 |
| Dibblah | That way it may have been possible to upgrade to something more future proof :( | 14:27 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 14:47 |
| alp | Chili: nope, it's tied in to the serial number, but there should be gtalk | 14:48 |
| bigkevmcd | alp: do you know of any Linux voice-capable jabber clients? | 14:49 |
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| alp | bigkevmcd: banter is the only voip-capable desktop client i know, http://live.gnome.org/Banter/Features | 14:52 |
| bigkevmcd | thanks | 14:52 |
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| senuxis | hello | 15:24 |
| _Monkey | hey, senuxis | 15:24 |
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| gw280 | alp: so, EAL? :P | 15:26 |
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| trexa_gyreye | hi! can you copy a file from the device to a mobile telephone via bluetooth? | 16:26 |
| juco | it depends on the phone | 16:29 |
| juco | if your phone support obex, then yes | 16:30 |
| juco | once you've paired your phone with the device, open "file manager" | 16:30 |
| juco | if you can browse the files on the phone, then you should also be able to copy and paste files to the phone | 16:31 |
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| trexa_gyreye | juco: so there isn't an option on the n800, send this file via bluetooth | 16:32 |
| trexa_gyreye | ? | 16:32 |
| juco | I don't know about the n800, I don't have one | 16:33 |
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| juco | it wouldn't surprise me if it does | 16:34 |
| juco | the stack has support for obex push | 16:34 |
| trexa_gyreye | juco: thanks a lot...i will investigate more | 16:34 |
| juco | but the 2006 OS only has support in the user interface for a single bluetooth device at a time | 16:35 |
| timeless | x-fade? | 16:35 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... x-fade is red pill btw.. | 16:35 |
| timeless | _monkey forget x-fade | 16:35 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot x-fade | 16:35 |
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| juco | trexa_gyreye, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/btxfer/ | 16:39 |
| juco | looks like it should do what you want, but doesn't have a release | 16:39 |
| bergie | trexa_gyreye: IIRC, OBEX send/receive is integrated with file manager on N800 | 16:40 |
| juco | bergie, on the 770 that's obex ftp | 16:41 |
| juco | some phones only support obex push | 16:41 |
| trexa_gyreye | bergie: yes bergie you are right! Thanks a lot guys | 16:41 |
| juco | speaking of bluetooth, does anyone have a good link to some docs on pragmatically controlling the bt connection? | 16:43 |
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| juco | bringing the interface up, controlling the power mode, that sort of thing? | 16:44 |
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| gomiam2 | Howdy. Any idea on how to force recognition of a Bluetooth keyboard? | 17:08 |
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| gomiam2 | It's a Zaapa model, but my N800 doesn't recognise its type | 17:09 |
| timeless | inz: ping | 17:13 |
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| gomiam2 | timeless: no route to host inz :) | 17:17 |
| timeless | ping timeout is more accurate | 17:17 |
| gomiam2 | Unfortunately ping timeout is in-computer. | 17:18 |
| gomiam2 | Next time I will use the ICMP: TTL exceeded message | 17:18 |
| timeless | :) | 17:19 |
| gomiam2 | btw, is there a way to tell the N800 to consider a bluetooth device as a keyboard ? | 17:20 |
| timeless | yes | 17:20 |
| gomiam2 | Please enlighten me | 17:20 |
| timeless | i think you just bluetooth pair a keyboard and maybe it magically works | 17:21 |
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| lardman | gomiam2: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/kbdd is an option | 17:29 |
| lardman | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 17:30 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 17:37 | |
| timeless | svn1.3 and svn1.4 use different file formats for .svn/entries | 17:37 |
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| gomiam | thanks lardman. I got dropped :-) | 17:43 |
| gomiam | Yay that kbdd might work, since this keyboard announces itself as a SPP device | 17:45 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: hey, did you ever get gtkboard ported to hildon? | 18:12 |
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| gw280 | timeless: do you know if the source code to libtablet-browser-widgets.so.0 has been released anywhere? | 18:24 |
| timeless | um | 18:24 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=tablet-browser-widgets&find=browser.*debian%2Fcontrol&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=garage | 18:24 |
| timeless | it's definitely something you need :) | 18:25 |
| timeless | nope :) | 18:26 |
| gw280 | timeless: that's just a package descriptor that says it depends on the widgets stuff? | 18:26 |
| timeless | yes | 18:27 |
| timeless | seems it got stuck somewhere :) | 18:27 |
| timeless | sorry :) | 18:27 |
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| timeless | ok | 18:28 |
| timeless | that seems to have set engine menu | 18:28 |
| timeless | which is why i couldn't find it | 18:28 |
| timeless | :) | 18:28 |
| gw280 | timeless: yes, hence why I asked :) | 18:28 |
| timeless | sorry, i'm running around like a chicken with a different head cut off | 18:29 |
| gw280 | right | 18:29 |
| * timeless tries to decide exactly how to abuse bug 1605 | 18:29 | |
| timeless | should i be nice and leave that bug where it was filed and just file a blocker? | 18:29 |
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| gw280 | timeless: do you know of anyone in nokia I can contact about the tablet-browser-widgets lib? | 18:34 |
| timeless | kinda pointless, you've contacted me | 18:34 |
| timeless | if you feel a need to go on record, file a bug | 18:34 |
| timeless | i think all three of the people here are clearly aware of it as of now | 18:35 |
| gw280 | right | 18:35 |
| timeless | i'd actually encourage you to file the bug | 18:35 |
| timeless | but please try to be specific | 18:35 |
| timeless | why you want it, why you found it missing, what you expect to do with it | 18:35 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=Browser%20(Mozilla%20Engine)&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux | 18:36 |
| gw280 | timeless: right | 18:37 |
| gw280 | timeless: I'll file a bug if I can't sort it out | 18:37 |
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| * timeless goes back to trying to file a bug against connectivity in the open | 18:40 | |
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| gw280 | success! webkit is displaying inside the browser ui on this N800 | 19:16 |
| timeless | :) | 19:16 |
| gw280 | or rather, our dummy EAL pretending to be webkit is | 19:16 |
| timeless | heh | 19:16 |
| timeless | i presume you saw they fixed the links for dummy eal, sorry about that :) | 19:17 |
| gw280 | timeless: yes, I reported the bug :P | 19:17 |
| timeless | :) | 19:17 |
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| Jaffa | gw280: very cool, now you've just got to do the webkit bit :) | 19:35 |
| gw280 | Jaffa: well, alp and I are doing that | 19:35 |
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| gw280 | Jaffa: probably mainly alp | 19:35 |
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| tso | hmm, i guess there are no weather addon that can do weather for any region of the planet? | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | waah, kagu's issue tracker won't let me report bugs | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | AND IT DOESN'T TELL ME IN ADVANCE | 19:42 |
| gomiam | mgedmin: Simon told him to do it... or else | 19:43 |
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| f3 | sveiki | 19:48 |
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| Jaffa | gw280: cool. Using a proper trunk version of WebKit, or the OWB-approach of a fork? (assuming you're *not* OWB...) | 19:49 |
| dalonso | please, anybody succeed at updating the armel scratchbox from 3.1 to 3.2? | 19:50 |
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| gw280 | Jaffa: trunk | 19:50 |
| amr | is there a proper method of removing a memory card | 19:51 |
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| amr | or is it just open the flap thing and take it out | 19:51 |
| amr | i always feel bad doing it | 19:51 |
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| dalonso | anybody? Don't? | 19:53 |
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| gomiam | great, it looks like my Bluetooth keyboard is finally coming through | 19:59 |
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| gomiam | now I only need to find a way to emulate function keys :-D | 20:00 |
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| mgedmin | amr: as far as I can tell, the proper method is to open the flap, wait for a popup message saying that the memory card has been unmounted, then pull it out | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | if the card's in use, you'll get a different message and shouldn't touch the card, or you might corrupt data on it | 20:13 |
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| dalonso | any one her with knowledge of the update-mime-database command? | 20:18 |
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| Chili2 | ok usb logo on...nokia update doesn't find my n770 | 20:25 |
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| Chili2 | whats up with that | 20:25 |
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| Chili2 | ok only likes the cable it came with...rather than my generic cheap ass mini usb | 20:29 |
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| Chili2 | ok so I have it os2007 | 20:37 |
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| Chili2 | seems a little slower than os2006 | 20:40 |
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| maddler | evening... | 20:43 |
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| gomiam | what a pity. Almost everything on my Zaapa Bluetooth keyboard works... excepting the AltGr Key | 20:46 |
| gomiam | (and Fn too) | 20:47 |
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| gomiam | time to try and find the keycode (and patch the kbdd binary, I'm not in the mood for compiling a new one ;-) | 20:48 |
| timeless | inz: i've aired the dirty laundry | 20:53 |
| unique311 | anybody from InternetTabletTalk? | 20:53 |
| unique311 | an admin | 20:53 |
| unique311 | moderator? | 20:53 |
| gomiam | looks like none of those is available | 20:54 |
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| unique311 | its sucks | 21:01 |
| unique311 | i posted a nice little deal in ITT | 21:01 |
| unique311 | and this f#!$face by the name of Rider attacks it. | 21:01 |
| unique311 | whats so hard about viewing a post and if you feel like you don't like it. go on to the next. | 21:02 |
| timeless | that's why i ignore blogs and things with comment support | 21:03 |
| timeless | they're bad news | 21:03 |
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| timeless | if you want to safely express an opinion, use your own site and don't allow comments | 21:03 |
| timeless | rely on trackback :) | 21:03 |
| * timeless goes to try to figure out how to layer garage over sardine | 21:04 | |
| * sp3000 thinks real world metaphors may be unhelpful in solving that | 21:05 | |
| timeless | ? | 21:05 |
| timeless | i've found the place to do it | 21:05 |
| timeless | it looks fairly simple | 21:05 |
| sp3000 | yeah, I was thinking about sardines and garages | 21:06 |
| timeless | oh, yeah, well,... | 21:06 |
| * timeless frowns | 21:07 | |
| unique311 | i guess you right. | 21:07 |
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| sp3000 | basically where that ends up in is mixing sardines into concrete | 21:07 |
| unique311 | but he just started a fu$#@$ war....I don't too well when people attack me. | 21:07 |
| timeless | unique311: i don't do well when people file idiotic bugs about browser | 21:08 |
| timeless | but the best approach is to ignore them | 21:08 |
| unique311 | i want to.. | 21:08 |
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| * timeless sighs | 21:08 | |
| unique311 | but i pm'd the admins.. | 21:08 |
| unique311 | all of them. | 21:08 |
| timeless | that's moderately ok | 21:08 |
| unique311 | i want satisfaction. | 21:08 |
| unique311 | but also replied to his post.. | 21:08 |
| timeless | i walked to ferenc to get him to fix some bad content for browser pages | 21:08 |
| timeless | yeah, don't do that | 21:08 |
| unique311 | called him a dick head. | 21:08 |
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| timeless | out of band = ok. in band = disaster | 21:09 |
| unique311 | best i could come up with on short notice | 21:09 |
| timeless | #remove the extra space that i stupidly added when parsing lxr.conf | 21:10 |
| timeless | $self->{$stupid} =~ s/^\s+//; | 21:10 |
| * timeless enhances code | 21:11 | |
| unique311 | was i wrong for putting this thread up in the general discussions forum Off Topic. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8524 | 21:11 |
| florian | re | 21:11 |
| VladDrac | bah, stupid client | 21:11 |
| VladDrac | (both pidgkin and colloquy) | 21:11 |
| * sp3000 slaps $phone | 21:12 | |
| sp3000 | 7 keypresses from sms content to when it was received | 21:12 |
| timeless | sp3000: which do you have? | 21:12 |
| timeless | heh | 21:12 |
| timeless | btw: somewhere I have a 2g micro that i should pass to you guys | 21:12 |
| timeless | remind me to try to find it tomorrow? | 21:13 |
| timeless | it's nokia brand :) | 21:13 |
| sp3000 | this is a 2610 (hey, got it for free...) | 21:13 |
| timeless | you know the price i paid for mine [pl], right? :) | 21:13 |
| sp3000 | hmm, its product page crashes fx trunk | 21:14 |
| timeless | java? | 21:14 |
| timeless | (what doesn't crash fx trunk) | 21:14 |
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| * timeless frowns | 21:15 | |
| timeless | i really need to figure out what to do about treeify | 21:15 |
| timeless | right now it happily parses everything, and then seems to forget about most things | 21:15 |
| timeless | that's probably not such a great idea | 21:16 |
| timeless | although, maybe it works? | 21:16 |
| sp3000 | no, I don't think I do | 21:16 |
| timeless | 0 | 21:16 |
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| trevarthan | I want to write an IRC client for maemo that is touchscreen, finger, and LED friendly. IRSSI is ok, but it's CLI, so when you go to edit your own text, you only see what you've written in the current thumb kb session. | 21:17 |
| sp3000 | yeah java | 21:17 |
| timeless | :) | 21:17 |
| trevarthan | XChat give you full current line history in the thumb kb (cause it's GTK), but it's a pain in the ass to scroll back. No pageup/pagedown buttons. | 21:18 |
| timeless | just get rid of the java plugin until they make it stop crashing when it tries to init :) | 21:18 |
| trevarthan | I want to drag my chat history like a browser page, and like Kagu's song list. | 21:18 |
| timeless | travarthan: that's what we get for being stupid and putting things not into the platform | 21:19 |
| gomiam | mmm... this is funny. The Handhelds.org Bugzilla has no kbdd option | 21:19 |
| timeless | but yeah, i consider the fkb impl a bug | 21:19 |
| gomiam | :-) | 21:19 |
| trevarthan | I guess IRSSI would be perfect if the xterm was upgraded to scroll like the browser and if the current line's content showed up in the thumb kb, and if I could write hooks for it in python instead of perl. | 21:19 |
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| trevarthan | Anyone from -hackers here? Anyone who wrote the upgraded version of xterm with the side menus and such? | 21:20 |
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| timeless | i think they removed a lot of components | 21:21 |
| timeless | because they went hog wild w/ components | 21:21 |
| timeless | you probably want the "packages" component | 21:21 |
| timeless | if i were to place a guess | 21:21 |
| timeless | if they were clever, they could have abused the version field | 21:22 |
| timeless | but something tells me they didn't | 21:22 |
| Juhaz | trevarthan, there is an experimental python module for irssi. | 21:22 |
| timeless | indeed, they didn't | 21:23 |
| trevarthan | Juhaz: didn't know that. I'll check that out. that might solve one problem out of 3. | 21:23 |
| timeless | sp3000: remind me to make an update to the bugzilla install list, the handhelds entry is out of date (moved) | 21:24 |
| timeless | eww | 21:24 |
| * timeless frowns | 21:24 | |
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| trevarthan | hmmmm... anyone know of a CLI passthrough to javascript? | 21:33 |
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| timeless | ? | 21:33 |
| timeless | there are a dozen javascript shells | 21:34 |
| trevarthan | like, an xterm. implemented in javascript. that executes commands on a real machine? | 21:34 |
| timeless | but what are you trying to do? | 21:34 |
| timeless | oh | 21:34 |
| timeless | there are a couple | 21:34 |
| timeless | there was one called xmlterm | 21:34 |
| timeless | another called jssh iirc | 21:34 |
| timeless | yeah, that's the modern one | 21:34 |
| timeless | the first one is an xterm implemented in javascript | 21:35 |
| timeless | the second one is more of a js shell implemented in javascript for use w/ telnet | 21:35 |
| timeless | unfortunately, the former kinda rotted a few years ago | 21:35 |
| timeless | it was very cool, i'd love to see it resurrected :| | 21:35 |
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| trevarthan | jssh doesn't quite seem like what I need... as it's written in C... | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | I want something written in javascript, and maybe PHP. | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | client/server architecture. | 21:37 |
| timeless | where the server runs arbitrary commands? | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 21:38 |
| * timeless shrugs | 21:38 | |
| timeless | it'd be trivially to adapt jssh to do what you want | 21:38 |
| timeless | nsIProcess lets you run things | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | but I can't run jssh on my n800, can i? | 21:38 |
| timeless | actually, you probably could | 21:39 |
| timeless | if you can't, that's a bug | 21:39 |
| timeless | you'd need to use microb engine (or you could try minimo/firefox, but, i can't be paid to support that) | 21:39 |
| trevarthan | yeah, already using that. | 21:40 |
| timeless | actually, from a certain perspective, that already does everything | 21:41 |
| timeless | since i could if you ran it instantiate nsIProcesses and run arbitrary commands | 21:41 |
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| * sp3000 used it to install packages when he was missing an xterm ;) | 21:42 | |
| * timeless chuckles | 21:42 | |
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| timeless | actuallyl, it'd be a fairly good thing to port to microb's extensionjs package stuff | 21:43 |
| trevarthan | yeah. ok. screw that. terrible idea. shoot me. | 21:43 |
| trevarthan | Better to just improve osso-xterm, I think. | 21:43 |
| timeless | trevarthan: between it and chatzilla (which i've often considered trying to convert into a mud client) | 21:44 |
| timeless | you really could have that stuff | 21:44 |
| timeless | anyway, it really wouldn't be too hard to do | 21:44 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I'm not messing with it. too kludgy. | 21:45 |
| timeless | heck, it's pretty easy to take microb and write an html file that would do it | 21:45 |
| timeless | about:config is one | 21:45 |
| timeless | you'd probably want to use a frameset w/ document.write | 21:45 |
| timeless | sp3000: got time to read some scary code? | 21:46 |
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| timeless | i can't figure out what that loop is doing, or why | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | suer | 21:48 |
| sp3000 | sure even | 21:48 |
| timeless | i mean, i think i can, it just seems kinda strange | 21:49 |
| Luria | anyone having problems getting microb to save about : config settings? | 21:50 |
| timeless | you need to get an updated version | 21:51 |
| timeless | the version we shipped doesn't actually work :) | 21:51 |
| timeless | it made a stupid assumption or three and it didn't actually hurt enough for me to fix it until after | 21:51 |
| timeless | sorry :) | 21:51 |
| timeless | if you have xterm, i can explain how to fix it | 21:51 |
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| Luria | sure | 21:53 |
| Luria | (if that was directed at me) | 21:53 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/resources/branding/microb/content/config.html?raw=1 | 21:54 |
| timeless | download that file | 21:54 |
| trevarthan | timeless: hmmm.... trac is open. http://maemo-hackers.org/ticket/46 | 21:54 |
| timeless | it belongs, um, somewhere in /usr/lib/microb-engine/ | 21:54 |
| timeless | you can use find in there to find the file... | 21:55 |
| timeless | i'd highly suggest you move theold file out of the way instead of simply deleting it | 21:56 |
| timeless | note, you'll of course need to be root long enough to replace the file | 21:56 |
| * timeless hopes the version on sanjay is new enough | 21:56 | |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/resources/branding/microb/content/config.html | 21:57 |
| timeless | is the official file, afaict they're identical | 21:57 |
| timeless | (it's a lot harder for me to search for files in svn than in my xref) | 21:58 |
| Luria | thanks | 21:58 |
| timeless | please let me know if it works | 21:58 |
| timeless | it's fairly easy to test, either searching works or it doesn't | 21:59 |
| * timeless finds location_href (which is the thing that was needed to work around res:) | 21:59 | |
| trevarthan | inz: check my tickets for osso-xterm! help me out man! :) | 22:01 |
| timeless | didn't inz say something about vacationing? | 22:01 |
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| gomiam | kbddd | 22:03 |
| gomiam | argh | 22:03 |
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| trevarthan | timeless: is the GUI for the maemo browser open source? i.e. the part that wraps microb and allows you to drag scroll? | 22:12 |
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| timeless | drag scrolling isn't in the gui, it's in the engine | 22:14 |
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| timeless | and most of the gui, and all of the engine is open source | 22:14 |
| timeless | the "panning" of which you speak is one of many disaster areas | 22:14 |
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| ericz | uh.. my 770 is rebooting every time it connects to my wifi | 22:15 |
| timeless | it interacts very badly w/ e.g. blogger | 22:15 |
| timeless | and many other google web apps | 22:15 |
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| timeless | clever idea | 22:15 |
| timeless | absolutely stupid to have implemented | 22:15 |
| timeless | fundamentally flawed | 22:15 |
| ericz | it searches, sees the signal, i hit connect, the icon blinks like it's connecting.. i see a glimpse of "Connected to <ssid>" and bam, reboots | 22:15 |
| timeless | ericz: nice | 22:16 |
| ericz | was working fine yesterday.. :/ | 22:16 |
| timeless | install ksyslogd or whatever | 22:16 |
| timeless | you can check some flag file to get the bootreason | 22:16 |
| ericz | hrm | 22:17 |
| ericz | i just did it from the Tools > Connection manager | 22:17 |
| ericz | worked.. | 22:17 |
| timeless | /proc/bootreason | 22:17 |
| timeless | 'course, if your wifi is rebooting you, i'd imagine trying to install syslogd could be quite an adventure | 22:17 |
| timeless | in theory you could grab the .debs manually :) | 22:18 |
| ericz | heh | 22:18 |
| trevarthan | timeless: so... if the engine that does that panning is open source, can you point me to the code? I'd like to take a look at how it's handled. | 22:18 |
| ericz | Nokia770-49:~# cat /proc/bootreason sw_rst | 22:18 |
| ericz | sw_rst mean anything to you? | 22:18 |
| timeless | yes | 22:19 |
| ericz | ....? | 22:19 |
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| timeless | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-02-18.log.html | 22:20 |
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| ericz | "start-up reason was reset" ? | 22:20 |
| timeless | hey, i didn't say it meant much :) | 22:21 |
| ericz | critical system app crashing can trigger that, anyway to find which app? | 22:21 |
| timeless | as i said, install ksyslogd | 22:22 |
| ericz | where can i get that? | 22:22 |
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| timeless | um, it might be in maemoextras | 22:23 |
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| * timeless shrugs | 22:23 | |
| timeless | (clearly you can't get it from downloads.maemo.org) | 22:23 |
| timeless | this is 770 you said? which release? 2005 ? 2006? | 22:23 |
| ericz | 2006 | 22:24 |
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| timeless | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.1/free/s/sysklogd/ | 22:24 |
| timeless | is for 2.1 | 22:24 |
| * timeless can't remember which is which | 22:24 | |
| timeless | sorry sysklogd | 22:24 |
| Luria | grr | 22:24 |
| timeless | so hard to remember where people hide k's these days | 22:24 |
| timeless | luria: it didn't work? | 22:24 |
| ericz | ha | 22:25 |
| timeless | ericz: you'd have to figure out which repo you want | 22:25 |
| timeless | but it's definitely part of extras | 22:25 |
| ericz | k | 22:25 |
| timeless | so if you follow whichever wiki page explains how to add extras for your os rev | 22:25 |
| Luria | about config searches now, but it still wont keep snav.enabled off | 22:25 |
| timeless | you can search for "sysklogd" and it'll turn up | 22:25 |
| timeless | luria: iirc snav is its own lib | 22:26 |
| timeless | if you don't like it, just rename it | 22:26 |
| timeless | it should be /usr/lib/microb-engine/components/libsnav.so or something | 22:26 |
| Luria | the keyboard popup is annoying | 22:26 |
| timeless | my spelling is of course not guaranteed, and again, don't delet,e just rename | 22:26 |
| timeless | oh | 22:26 |
| timeless | iirc that's not snav | 22:27 |
| timeless | iirc that was actually in a different portion of the code | 22:27 |
| timeless | it's fixed in the next version | 22:27 |
| timeless | we really should try to release this week | 22:27 |
| Luria | setting snav off goes line by line, but has the side effect of stopping that | 22:27 |
| * timeless shrugs | 22:28 | |
| Luria | but every time i set it false in a:c it turns back on at the next restart | 22:29 |
| timeless | my memory of precisely where bad code lies is hard | 22:29 |
| timeless | luria: you can try creating a file ~/.microb/user.js with something like: | 22:29 |
| Luria | i can live for a week :-) | 22:29 |
| timeless | user_pref("snav.enabled", false); | 22:29 |
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| Luria | good point | 22:30 |
| timeless | or you can find /usr/lib/microb-engine/gre/prefs/all.js (?) and replace snav.enabled true w/ snav.enabled false | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | anyone here ordering an openmoko developer phone? looks kinda cool. | 22:30 |
| timeless | not sure if it's all.js or one fo the others | 22:30 |
| timeless | it's trivial to use grep to figure it out | 22:30 |
| timeless | i'd rather finish hacking this xref thing than check myself | 22:30 |
| Luria | oh its in userpref | 22:30 |
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| timeless | hrm, odd | 22:31 |
| Luria | i sudo edited it, without it running and set to opera | 22:31 |
| Luria | no go | 22:31 |
| timeless | wait | 22:31 |
| timeless | snav.enabled ? | 22:31 |
| Luria | yeah | 22:31 |
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| timeless | funny | 22:32 |
| timeless | there isn't a default pref value for that | 22:32 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c#1710 | 22:32 |
| timeless | it looks like it's reading some other file | 22:32 |
| timeless | hrm | 22:32 |
| timeless | and i broke the parser :) | 22:32 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c?raw=1 | 22:32 |
| timeless | jump to line 1710 :) | 22:32 |
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| timeless | looks like it just helpfully enables it at startup | 22:33 |
| timeless | unless i'm missing something :) | 22:33 |
| timeless | not quite sure when precisely g_mozilla_web_set_default_config is used | 22:33 |
| Luria | its no big deal if a keyboard pop up fix is coming soon | 22:34 |
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| timeless | well, we've had the fix for over a week | 22:34 |
| timeless | i think we're trying to find a reasonably stable build and get people to agree it's stable | 22:35 |
| Luria | and frankly xchat w/out bt kybd is painful | 22:35 |
| Luria | meh, release often :-) | 22:35 |
| timeless | we have a tinderbox for internal releases | 22:35 |
| timeless | we just got some sort of access to an unstable repository | 22:36 |
| timeless | hopefully by next week you could use that :) | 22:36 |
| Luria | sound good | 22:36 |
| Luria | it will be nice having good rtl support | 22:36 |
| erstazi | who uses scratchbox here? | 22:37 |
| * timeless uses it occasionally, unfortunately | 22:38 | |
| * dev does | 22:38 | |
| erstazi | what distro do you use it on? | 22:38 |
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| timeless | ? | 22:38 |
| timeless | oh | 22:38 |
| timeless | um | 22:38 |
| dev | erstazi: Ubuntu | 22:39 |
| timeless | how do i find out? :) | 22:39 |
| Luria | i think everyone uses the vm ;-) | 22:39 |
| timeless | $ cat /etc/debian_version | 22:39 |
| timeless | 4.0 | 22:39 |
| erstazi | dev, did you add scratchbox's repos in your sources.list on ubuntu? | 22:39 |
| * timeless suspects most people don't | 22:39 | |
| dev | erstazi: no, I installed from tar | 22:39 |
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| erstazi | thats always an option | 22:40 |
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| timeless | [Mon Aug 06 12:32:37 2007] [error] [client 193.64.31.15] Out of memory! | 22:41 |
| timeless | now, that's a funny error | 22:41 |
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| erstazi | setite, does cox suck? | 22:43 |
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| ericz | erstazi, as in the ISP? | 22:44 |
| timeless | oh, btw, if you're trying to do searches right now on timeless.justdave, i'm sorry | 22:45 |
| timeless | i'm hacking the scripts a bit and breaking things :) | 22:46 |
| erstazi | ericz, (: | 22:48 |
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| ericz | erstazi, i have Cox (in hampton roads, VA), they give pretty cool speeds, but.. i can't host my own website on port 80, they block it incoming or something.. and.. i can only use their own port 25 smtp server, i can't run my own, but for like gmail.. since there's is SSL, it works | 22:50 |
| erstazi | ericz, you can always get a local based cable company | 22:51 |
| erstazi | they never care if you host a webserver or not | 22:51 |
| timeless | ouch | 22:51 |
| * timeless really shouldn't test things on a public web server | 22:51 | |
| ericz | i'm not that concerned, i buy shared hosting anyway.. | 22:52 |
| erstazi | ericz, but actually, I was just being sarcastic | 22:52 |
| ericz | ah :P | 22:52 |
| * ericz feels stupid | 22:52 | |
| erstazi | (: | 22:52 |
| erstazi | its ok | 22:52 |
| dhr | [newbie] is it possible to rotate the xterm? | 22:52 |
| timeless | no :) | 22:52 |
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| dhr | dropbear or openssh? I picked dropbear based on the assumption that it was smaller. Typing dbclient instead of ssh takes getting used to (or a symlink, I hope). Neither seems mainstream (installer doesn't work for openssh; dropbear is an offsite .deb) | 22:54 |
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| ericz | i installed dropbear-client and just typing "ssh" works for me... | 22:55 |
| erstazi | dhr, the openssh worked for me | 22:56 |
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| sp3000 | sending with one keypress from edit is treacherous :) | 22:59 |
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| derf | The installer works for openssh. | 22:59 |
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| derf | But you must be in red pill mode or R&D mode. | 22:59 |
| erstazi | derf, thats what I meant but my short term memory did its trip | 22:59 |
| erstazi | isn't there a how-to for that? I think that would be helpful for dhr. | 23:00 |
| derf | Somewhere on the wiki, I would assume. | 23:00 |
| derf | I just run in R&D mode all the time now, so I haven't messed with it in quite some time. | 23:01 |
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| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 23:03 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, do any devs want to check out the libmokoui2 scroll widget example on maemo? I've got a deb for libmokoui2 (thanks disq!) and an example binary that shows off the widget. | 23:03 |
| sp3000 | wtfbbqnostril | 23:03 |
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| sp3000 | why is the link on that page a monospace formatted block | 23:03 |
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| sp3000 | oh wow, I found a working login | 23:07 |
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| dhr | is there a consensus on a nice but affordable bluetooth keyboard? | 23:10 |
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| whereisian | Hello, I'm having a prblem with sounds on my 770, am I in the right place? | 23:24 |
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| gla55 | perhaps | 23:25 |
| trevarthan | Anyone want to try out the OpenMoko Finger Scroll Widget on their maemo device? http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#OpenMoko_Scroll_Widget_Example | 23:25 |
| whereisian | Chat/call sounds don't play, except in audioplayer | 23:26 |
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| whereisian | Ideas? | 23:27 |
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| erstazi | whereisian, 770 or n800? | 23:28 |
| whereisian | 770 | 23:28 |
| tso | hmm, with red pill active, a whole lot of new updates showed up. how safe is it to do them on a 770? | 23:29 |
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| whereisian | Shows 'unsupported ringing tone format' in control panel >sounds | 23:30 |
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| dragorn | tso: Avoid busybox updates | 23:31 |
| dragorn | tso: is my $0.02 | 23:31 |
| tso | thanks, but i think ill just stay away for now :) | 23:32 |
| dragorn | tso: also consider a "if it ain't broke" policy :P | 23:32 |
| dhr | is there a consensus on a nice but affordable bluetooth keyboard? [sorry for the repetition but everyone went away when I asked a few minutes ago] | 23:36 |
| nomis | dhr: the nokia one works. | 23:37 |
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