IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-08-06

unique311god bless you monkey...00:00
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setiteim thinking of getting a new router00:16
setitei dont like freenode00:16
setitemy connection keeps dropping but i dont know till i go ot send a message00:17
setitemy other server connections are holding fine00:17
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setiteim gonna install vmware so i can install ubuntu and scratchbox00:30
wollopwtf is scratchox00:31
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jumpulacanonical repositories contained packaged version of vmware-server00:35
jumpulaif i remember correctly00:35
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jumpulaand if you're running ubuntu on your host :)00:35
setitei use windows:)00:35
setiteok how much space is on eth n800 for installing apps00:37
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pupnikenough space00:46
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amrhow hard is it to get the sdk running on mac os x00:50
amror is it a no go00:50
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pupnik_Monkey: OSX is No01:09
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.01:09
_Monkeysomebody said OSX was No01:10
trevarthan_Monkey, that doesn't make sense.01:10
_Monkeytrevarthan: huh?01:10
trevarthan_Monkey, you're an idiot.01:10
_Monkeytrevarthan: what?01:10
trevarthan_Monkey, you're never getting access to my git repository.01:10
_Monkeytrevarthan: what?01:10
amrpupnik, that was me01:11
trevarthanI love abusing robots.01:11
amroh snap i just noticed monkey is a bot01:11
_MonkeyOSX is probably not a good environment for scratchbox.  Google says it is possible to run virtualisatino with VMware and Parallels desktop, wherein a linux OS running scratchbox is possible.01:12
pupnikif someone has a better answer...01:13
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Phil770does anyone know if/how I can play back AMR audio streams on the 770 when the url is rtsp://blah as opposed to http://blah ?01:14
Phil770the audioplayer seems to forcibly insert http:// in front of everything01:14
pupnikhow about "OSX is Steve Jobs' shiny rip-off of gnu/bsd.  Enjoy your walled garden."01:15
eichisomeone has the GPSlim256?01:16
Phil770where would be a good place to ask that question I just did ? I'm guessing no-one here knows...01:23
erstaziPhil770, let me look01:25
erstaziPhil770, just got back01:25
Phil770oh, thank you.01:25
Phil770I was reading
erstaziPhil770, I never used AMR audio streams, but from my knowledge, you could have slimserver could transcode the rtsp://blah to an mp3 stream01:26
Phil770but I can't play back the rtsp links in the video player either01:26
amrhighlight :-)))01:26
erstaziamr, sorry heh01:26
erstazislimserver would be on a pc and it would stream to your 77001:26
amrno problem lol01:26
Phil770the problem isn't the format it's the server protocol / url01:27
erstaziPhil770, yes, and transcoding that would work then01:27
Phil770AMR is stated as being a supported format for streams in the audio player's helpfile01:27
erstazibut maybe not the rtsp protocol01:27
erstazilet me read up on it first01:27
erstaziPhil770, I might not respond as soon as possible, trying to tar up backups01:28
Phil770all the bbc streams01:28
erstaziPhil770, you prefer bbc streams?01:28
Phil770prefer to what ?01:29
erstaziPhil770, other streams from other sources01:29
amri would love a bbc radio1 stream that works in either the desktop player or canola01:29
Phil770exactly amr01:29
erstaziI am suspecting that you are using a nokia 770 with OS2006/maemo 2.x?01:29
Phil770I got radio 1 working using the .ram stream in realplayer01:29
Phil770but it's a bit cumbersome01:29
Phil770erstazi: yes, 3.2006.49-201:29
_Monkeyi think 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date01:29
Phil770just got it 2 days ago, about £80. I suspect loads of people have been buying them since the cheap ones appeared01:30
pupnikPlaying rtsp://
pupnikConnecting to server[]: 554...01:30
Phil770is that working for you pupnik ?01:30
pupniklibrtsp: server responds: 'RTSP/1.0 459 Aggregate operation not allowed'01:30
Phil770I'll pass that along.01:31
amryeah i got mine 2 days ago too01:31
Phil770I know the people wh maintain it.01:31
amrwho maintain the bbc streams?01:31
erstaziI was just going to test it, pupnik but you beat me to the chase again haha01:31
pupnikthis was with mplayer01:31
pupnikmplayer i think tries to grab several chunks for its cache01:31
Phil770amr: people I know :p01:31
pupnikmaybe streamtuner can handle it01:32
Phil770how do you enter urls into mplayer ?01:32
amrPhil770, tell them to sort out some pls or m3u streams!01:32
Phil770i couldn't figure that one out01:32
Phil770or are you running it from command line ?01:32
pupnikfrom xterm01:32
Phil770ah, right.01:32
pupnikty for the bbc stream urls btw01:32
Phil770amr: they won't be doing that, politics.01:32
Phil770yeah, they're kinda for dev use, don't go mass publicising them01:33
Phil770they're neither public nor private01:33
amrdoes anyone know of a nice util that will convert pdfs into plain html or text01:33
amrunfortunately fbreader doesnt like pdf :(01:33
erstaziamr, online01:33
amrive looked but theyve messed up the formatting01:33
erstaziamr, google for PDF to text01:33
amrive had adobe's online one converting a 1.4 mb pdf to text for about 20 minutes now01:34
erstazior PDF to html01:34
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pupnikame poppler-utils01:34
erstazior PDF to doc, gmail has a PDF to doc feature01:34
amrthat doesnt keep paragraphs pupnik :(01:34
amrhmm ill try that01:34
Phil770I suppose it depends whether you can just extract the text like when you copy-paste, or if it's stored as an image, like a tiff file, and you have to pass it through OCR01:34
amrits text, i can highlght it in preview on os x01:34
amrbut it line breaks at the end of a line01:35
amrif you understand what i mean01:35
pupnik  <<< am i an idiot, or does this download page HAVE NO DOWNLOAD LINK?01:36
Phil770oh, while I'm here....01:36
Phil770sorry to ask a dumb newbie question, but why doesn't the 770 have a handler for .deb files as standard ?01:36
erstaziPhil770, it does01:37
Phil770I mean, I'd expect to be able to click the link and install it, but noooo01:37
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Phil770it does ?01:37
erstaziPhil770, you just cannot download any deb, it has to be for the ARM arch01:37
Phil770oh I know that01:37
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erstaziPhil770, also you have to have the deb work with your OS200601:37
erstaziand not OS200701:37
Phil770I was trying to install UKMP/uktube from maemo.org01:37
amrbugger, gmail also linebreaks in the middle of a paragraph01:37
Phil770and the browser doesn't know what to do with a .deb file01:37
erstaziamr, I think you might be SOL01:37
amrthats disappointing :(01:38
erstaziPhil770, I never had that problem01:38
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erstaziapplication manager loads right up01:38
Phil770I wonder what I have broken then...01:38
Phil770gah, fecking thing.01:38
erstaziwell, hard to say01:39
Phil770perhaps the mime type is bad or something01:39
Phil770it detects it as application/x-stream or something01:39
pupniki used to do some postscript hacking back in 1993 and 2003 but pdf has gotten too sick and cancerous and evil and disgusting to look at now01:39
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erstaziPhil770, you just got to make sure the deb is for the ARM architecture and works with OS200601:40
erstaziand you should be golden01:40
erstazioh and have the correct libraries01:41
Phil770that's not my problem though01:41
erstaziPhil770, how is it not your problem?01:41
Phil770it's the ukmp file for the 770 from, the browser just has no idea how to handle a .deb file01:41
erstazilet me try it01:41
amri hate pdfs01:41
Phil770sorry, when I say "That's not my problem" I mean "that's not the problem I am having" as opposed to "it must be someone else's problem"01:41
erstaziPhil770, 63% of text is misread by people01:42
Phil770yeah, here we go;01:42
Phil770File name: UKMP-1.5.deb01:43
erstaziPhil770, what is the full name of the app you want to isntall?01:43
Phil770file type: application/x-archive01:43
Phil770file size 187 kB01:43
Phil770Open with: No application to open with01:43
Phil770and so I can save, or cancel01:43
Phil770I would just use application manager but although I've put in just about every repository list I can find, it's never listed as an available app01:44
erstaziPhil770, do you have python installed?01:44
Phil770no, but even if that were a dependancy for UKMP that shouldn't prevent the browser from handling .deb files ?01:45
erstaziPhil770, no, I have the same issue, I cannot open it, only save it01:45
pupniki love mplayer.  1.3% cpu playing back radio streams01:45
erstazipupnik, mplayer is light weight01:45
Phil770pupnik: where's a good place to find a list of 770 compatible streams ?01:45
pupniki just installed streamtuner and they work01:45
erstazipupnik, those bbc streams?01:46
pupnikno those dont01:46
pupnikwhy doesn't the default nokia radio app find all the streams that streamtuner knows about?01:47
erstazipupnik, well, that is a good question, I think thats why the maemo community exists01:48
erstaziPhil770, if you save as, then double tap it, it can install it but you need python libs and mplayer01:49
erstazithat is an odd mime type for it01:49
Phil770aha, thanks01:50
pupnikshoutcast has a fair amount of UI work left to do01:50
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setiten800 can read FAT cards right01:56
setiteim having a helluva time trying to put a tv show on an sd card02:00
setitewindows is not playing nicely02:00
setitesaid card needed a format but wouldnt format it02:00
setitei wonder if i still have fat32format02:00
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setiteyes i do... i will use that02:01
bldewolfso does anyone have any suggestions for a program for storing passwords securely on a 770?  All the open source projects I find use Qt or some other library not provided02:02
erstazibldewolf, personally, I dislike storing passwords, very untrustworthy in my eyes... I cannot give you a valid suggestion other than don't do that02:03
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pupniki could only suggest compiling a command-line encryption program02:07
pupniki think bldewolf has a good question though - a portable device should have a convenient way to encrypt local data02:08
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pupnikpossibly something at the filesystem level - a directory/folder wherein everything is automatically encrypted, or a flag for files that automatically encrypts02:09
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pupnikplenty of businesspeople have valuable information that they may not leave unencrypted on a portable device02:10
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pupnikbldewolf: did you see 'Password Safe'?
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pupnikbldewolf: ping02:16
pupnikthe guy shows up here asking the same question for three days, and it's findable in a quick google search02:18
pupnikthen i dig up the software for him and he goes AWOL02:20
pupnikpretty f*in annoying02:20
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bldewolfpupnik: :(02:46
pupnikbldewolf: i'm just angry at myself right now - sorry02:54
erstazipupnik, do you need a maemo-hug?02:56
pupnikheh thanks no02:59
pupniki need some 'win' today03:00
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erstaziwin? windows?03:03
pupnikwin = success03:04
erstaziah heh03:04
erstaziI was being sarcastic03:04
pupnikok here's the plan - up to 3 hours on cdrmooby, then the rest of the day fixing up ur-quan masters issues03:07
pupnikcdrmooby is almost a guaranteed fail though03:07
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setyteok divx is not playing on 80003:26
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trevarthanHey, do I need a gpg key to successfully release files on maemo garage?03:39
trevarthanI built my new version of kagu, and I'm about to release it, but I got this message: gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani <>": secret key not available03:40
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trevarthanCan I release anyway? Or do I need a secret key?03:40
setitehow do i make the camera look better03:45
pupniki don't remember making a key03:45
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setiteits got all sorts of bluiish purple dots03:45
setiteis that a lighting thign>?03:45
pupnikgoogle "purple fringing" and camera03:46
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trevarthangpg: protection algorithm 3 is not supported04:19
trevarthangpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani <>": unknown cipher algorithm04:19
trevarthangpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: unknown cipher algorithm04:19
trevarthanW.T.F. ?!?04:19
trevarthanIs there a howto for this? Cause it ain't easy.04:20
disqthere's one people automatically get when they get the garage upload access04:24
disqshould be one in debian packaging docs too04:24
trevarthanso I can't create my own?04:25
disqno, the howto i mean04:25
trevarthanI've got to log into garage and sign up for upload access first?04:25
disqyou upload your key to garage afterwards04:25
disqchecked the automated garage mail, it's for setting up dput and ssh04:28
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disqerm, gh. the shortcuts04:29
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disqgah. sorry04:30
disqalt key got stuck i should remove that shortcut04:30
trevarthanso I don't sign the deb before I upload it?04:30
disqfor garage, you should04:30
disqi just can't tell you what my key type is from the files in my system04:30
trevarthanyeah. I don't know how to create the key. scratchbox lets me create DSA, but that's it.04:31
disqmy key isn't in scratchbox environment, it's for root in fact04:31
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disqalso I didn't create a key, I imported one from PGP i think04:32
trevarthanwell, that's a problem. my only debian system is scratchbox.04:33
trevarthanAnd it only lets me create (2) DSA keys. And those apparently don't work for clearsign, or something04:33
disqhow's the new theme btw04:34
trevarthanyou want to check it out? I'll send you the file.04:34
disqyeah i will04:34
trevarthanI'm not using it in this upcoming release yet though.04:34
trevarthandisq: sent it to ya.04:39
trevarthandisq: hey man, you want to roll this release too? I'm not sure what I'm gonna do about the GPG thing.04:39
disqokay, anything new in changelog or just "Released 1.0.2" or so?04:40
trevarthankagu (1.0.2) unstable; urgency=low04:40
trevarthan  * Many performance enhancements04:40
trevarthan  * Lower RAM usage04:40
trevarthan  * Fixed a few bugs in the theme engine04:40
trevarthan  * Switched to using mplayer's ffmp3 instead of libmp3 for a2dp playback.04:40
trevarthan    ffmp3 is more efficient on ARM.04:40
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disqwell you couldjust svn commit :P04:41
trevarthanYeah, it's got my sig on it though04:41
disqi really want to start working on kagu-config when i find the time04:41
trevarthanyeah. themes and seek. that's gonna be my focus for the next release.04:42
trevarthanI'm more or less happy with the performance at this point, unless someone complains after the release.04:42
disqi had some mp3 not playing problems with ossoplayer, couldn't really trace them. maybe it was a weird-state problem04:44
trevarthanall of my "not playing" problems have been solved by clicking "OK" again. you?04:45
disqi was on the road at the time04:45
trevarthanfix 'em as you find 'em. that's what I do.04:46
disqmy key is a 1024 bit dsa key btw, just figured it out during signing04:46
trevarthanlet me try that here04:47
disqahh forgot to update the version in hope it doesn't cause any packaging glitches. installs fine tho04:49
disqand i uploaded it already, now uploading to garage04:49
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trevarthan1024 bit dsa is created fine, but when creating a deb I get:04:51
trevarthangpg: protection algorithm 3 is not supported04:51
trevarthangpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani <>": unknown cipher algorithm04:51
trevarthangpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: unknown cipher algorithm04:51
_Monkeyi already had it that way, trevarthan.04:51
disq_Monkey: gpg: protection algorithm 3?04:52
_Monkeyhmmm... protection algorithm 3 is not supported04:52
trevarthanforget  gpg: protection algorithm 304:52
trevarthanforget gpg: protection algorithm 304:52
trevarthan_Monkey: forget gpg: protection algorithm 304:52
_Monkeytrevarthan, I didn't have anything matching gpg: protection algorithm 304:52
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disqrelease on garage, repos will be updated in 8 or so minutes04:52
disqediting the download page now :)04:53
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kriebzI have crossed the vast internets to join others who think that cargo pockets were made to hold Debian05:00
trevarthanlol. yeah they were.05:00
kriebz770 = best $135 my girlfriend will ever spend on me05:00
pupnikgood girl05:01
erstazikriebz, that is a great deal they ran, was it
kriebzit might have even been a bit cheaper05:02
erstazikriebz is from my LoCo team and I was shocked to find someone else with a 770 but I guess it is a small world05:03
trevarthann800 fits in my jean's pocket. Almost exactly the size of a check box.05:03
erstazithis is a great community of people though, many serious developers and packagers05:03
kriebzI'm sad to see the platform move past the 77005:04
kriebzalthough there are some serious drawbacks to the 77005:04
erstazikriebz, what do you mean the platform move past the 770?05:04
kriebzthe newest whatever from Nokia only runs on the N80005:04
erstazipupnik, you know how I said these tablets can take a beating? I dropped mine twice today, haha thank god there is not a harddrive in this!05:05
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erstazikriebz, well, you could get OS2007HE, pupnik there dual boots I believe still05:05
pupnikerstazi: what is LoCo?05:05
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kriebzubuntu users group05:05
kriebzwe're both from PA05:06
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kriebzhere's a weird question: can the onscreen keyboard be modified05:09
kriebzit's not very UNIX friendly05:09
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erstazikriebz, no its not, especially for -05:09
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erstazikriebz, I have found that if you press the shift key on the virtual keyboard, it will give you more unix-ey characters05:10
kriebzwell, it will do the chars above the numbers, and some more braces05:10
kriebzalso, terminal emulation is really, really bad05:11
kriebzam I using the wrong terminal program or something?05:11
pupnikxkbd is an alternative keyboard that lets you set up your own layout
erstazikriebz, also, get xterm (advanced) and not just xterm05:12
pupnikcan you be more specific about what terminal emulation problems you are experiencing kriebz?05:12
kriebzyes.  backspaces never render properly05:12
erstaziyou need xterm (advanced) then05:12
kriebzwho is regular xterm for then?05:13
erstazikriebz, um... no clue haha05:13
erstazikriebz, also, I have a sources.list that includes most of the *best* repos at
pupnikthe old xterm had a courier font that was horrid, the new one is much nicer05:14
erstaziall the ones that require gpg are commented out because I haven't had the time to get the keys inputted into certificates05:14
kriebzinstalling the new xterm05:16
kriebzthe UKMP thing doesn't run05:16
erstazikriebz, you need python and the libs for it and also mplayer05:17
trevarthanI don't think you need mplayer for UKMP. Only necessary if you want to do video, I think.05:20
erstaziand a cigarette05:20
erstazitrevarthan, well for uktube05:21
erstaziand playback of youtube flac05:21
erstazisame thing sorry05:21
erstaziI am losing it05:21
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trevarthanNew version of Kagu is out (1.0.2) if anyone wants to try it.
* pupnik will test05:24
pupniknice - includes install link... (applauds)05:24
erstaziI will try it in a bit05:26
erstaziI had it installed but I had to uninstall it05:26
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erstaziok time to do some partition work be back05:29
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rwhitbytrevarthan: did you get anywhere on being able to playback mono audio files on a mono bluetooth headset?05:33
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rwhitby(e.g. for podcast listening on your normal mono BT headset that you normally use for phone calls)05:34
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pupnikos2006 is pretty stable05:36
trevarthanrwhitby: no, not really. It hasn't been a huge priority for me as I've got an A2DP BT headset. It's a good idea though.05:38
pupnikkagu install link "Unable to complete secure transaction"  (?)  trevarthan05:38
trevarthanhmmm.... worked for me... probably a mirror update in progress?05:39
trevarthantry it again I guess05:39
pupnikit should work without me being logged into, yes?05:39
rwhitbyjust worked for me too05:39
trevarthanrwhitby: tell you what. I need to add seek support before audio books are even possible in Kagu. Once I've done that, I'll take a look at packaging up the Bluetooth-ALSA tools, and when that's done I'll have a look at mono BT audio. Sound good?05:40
pupniklogged in and got same error05:40
rwhitbytrevarthan: sounds awesome :-)05:41
trevarthanpupnik: could it be a 770 specific error maybe?05:41
kriebzthe python I find on won't install on the 77005:42
trevarthanrwhitby: just for you man:
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trevarthankriebz: it doesn't install on the n800 either. get it here...05:44
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_Monkeypython is at!05:44
trevarthanget it there kriebz.05:44
pupnikmaemo-recorder.install works05:44
trevarthanpupnik: might just be your mirror.05:45
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kriebzthanks, guys05:52
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trevarthanI'm gonna go play some Shadow Run.05:54
disqi'll head to bed, night05:56
disqgood release!05:56
pupnik_cheers then05:56
trevarthannight disq! thanks for the help with the release.05:57
pupnik_only difference i could see was that in another one repo_deb came before repo_deb_305:57
trevarthanpupnik_: is it working for you yet?05:58
pupnik_when i connect to it asks me to accept an untrusted certificate05:59
pupnik_i also tried putting a modified kagu.install on but opening that just gives me the text file05:59
trevarthan:) strange.05:59 []05:59
disqcheck if the ip is the same or not, if not then it's the akamai mirror(s)?06:00
disqerm sorry not garage06:00 []06:00
disqthe ip keeps changing for me tho06:00
pupnik_opening from a pc gives me the install file to download06:00
disqcould try checking out which version is the lastest for you here:
disqif it's doesn't contain 1.0.2 then it's the mirror06:01
infobotdisq meant: if it doesn't contain 1.0.2 then it's the mirror06:02
pupnik_well you can see it's looking for garage.maemo.org06:02
pupnik_Name:       a515.g.akamai.net06:02
pupnik_Name:       garage.maemo.org06:02
disqg.akamai is Addresses:,
disqtry nameserver :P06:03
disq<- gone, night06:03
pupnik_ok thx cheers06:03
trevarthanpupnik_: my advice? wait until tomorrow, then try it.06:03
trevarthanprobably iron itself out by then06:03
trevarthankriebz: any luck with you?06:03
pupnik_i can install it with apt-get06:04
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trevarthanI hate microsoft, but I sure love my 360. only ms product I own.06:05
trevarthanI need to get one of those $135 770s for my 5 year old son to play with.06:06
trevarthanI don't let him play with my n800 much cause I'm afraid he'll break it. He loves TuxPaint though.06:07
pupnik_yeah that gets rave reviews06:07
pupnik_i assume you play shadowrun on-line?06:08
trevarthanit's awesome. I gotta admit it. yeah. shadowrun on xbox live. I love it.06:08
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pupnik_i'm afraid python is more of an n800 thing06:10
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trevarthanpupnik_: why? too slow of the 770?06:16
trevarthanor just not available?06:16
pupnik_14.5 MB space06:16
pupnik_btw i start kagu, see a white screen with "OK" and "Exit" at bottom06:17
pupnik_there's a grey bar at the bottom, and a region on the right with a grey gradient06:17
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pupnik_quitting works though06:18
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trevarthanpupnik_: you've run the scanner already?06:21
trevarthando you have any mp3s?06:21
pupnik_i started kagu just with the media player - it invoked the scanner and showed about 30 mp3s found on mmc06:22
pupnik_then it quit and told me to run the media player06:22
pupnik_then i ran the media player and got a white screen with 'ok'06:22
trevarthantry it again.06:22
pupnik_the scanner?06:22
trevarthanno, the media player06:22
pupnik_i did - three starts same result06:22
trevarthanI think maybe you hit the hardware back button before the white screen came up.06:23
trevarthanit's not showing your album covers for some reason. run the scanner again?06:23
pupnik_what album covers?06:24
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pupnik_i just have mp3s06:24
setitewhats good for video playback06:24
setitemplayer seems to have stopped stuttering for the most part...06:25
setiteits a little choppy06:25
trevarthanthe scanner downloads them for you. you got an internet connection on that 770?06:25
pupnik_yes, but a) these mp3s aren't from albums and b) what if i start kagu without an internet connection?06:26
trevarthanyou can start kagu with wifi, just not the scanner.06:26
trevarthanit should show up as a CDROM image if it can't find an album.06:27
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setiteno one watches movies on their n770 or n80006:28
setitelike nonstreaming off mem card06:29
setitemaybe my memcard is too slow???06:29
pupnik_all the teme bro06:29
pupnik_youtubes and transcoded movies06:29
setitewell not youtube...06:29
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setitejust actual video from the card itself... like a tv episode06:30
setitei guess media is not what it can do... it sucks on action scenes... do you just accept that part06:30
trevarthansetite: you smokin crack. works fine. use 770encode.pl06:30
setitewhats that06:31
_Monkeythat is probably part of the puzzle collection06:31
setiteill get super and encode it to psp06:31
trevarthandon't listen to monkey. he's a bot06:33
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trevarthanforget that06:36
_Monkeytrevarthan: I forgot that06:36
trevarthanxbox live just went down. I hate microsoft.06:37
trevarthanso, what's up with kagu on your 770, pupnik?06:38
trevarthanever get it working?06:38
trevarthanyou running python2.5, btw?06:38
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setiteok got some windows app06:55
setiteim busting the resolution and bitrate down06:55
setiteif it plays this bitrate at close to perfect then lowering it 25% or so should be sexy06:55
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pupnik_report is on the forums trev07:02
setiteis there a way to stop the video app from opening when i open the camera07:05
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trevarthanthat was awefully harsh pupnik.07:15
bldewolfso what exactly is wrong when it says "unable to complete secure transaction"?  I can't get on :-/07:15
pupnik_there's some issue with certificates on maemo.org07:16
trevarthanpupnik_: I test all that crap for you, then you ream my app on a public forum. what's up with that man?07:18
pupnik_I should complement the handling of the menu button07:19
trevarthanpupnik: I can't do anything about the garage cert issue. that's not my fault man. take that crap off.07:20
pupnik_i'll mention that it's a garage problem and that users experiencing it should use package manager with that extras repo07:21
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unique311trevarthan, i didn't get nothing done today, I was busy cleaning my desktop.   Took it apart and clean the insides,  then put it back together and clean the the junk I won't need anymore from the hardrives...07:24
trevarthanunique311: np.07:25
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unique311have to defrag all partitions, as soon as i'm done with a couple of hefty downloads  that are in progress07:27
unique311tried out the new kagu....07:28
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trevarthanpupnik_: dude, I hate that review you wrote. that really sucks man. Under normal circumstances I would love to help you figure out why you got a blank screen and why it took so long to connect to dbus, but you made me so angry with that review that I don't even want to deal with it.07:29
pupnik_i respect everyone who writes software, but i'm not going to censor my user experience or opinions07:30
unique311that bad07:30
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unique311i need to check this out..07:30
unique311i didn't have no issues with the upgrade..07:30
unique311blank screen..07:32
unique311maybe he didn't run scanner first..07:32
unique311looks like no albums were found..07:32
unique311thats not a bug07:32
unique311you need to run kagu music scanner first.. after that completes it should find your albums..07:33
trevarthanIt is a bug. Maybe it didn't find any albums or any mp3s with id3 tags. In which case Kagu should say "no music found".07:33
trevarthanmostly we expect people to run Kagu when they have music to play though, so I didn't test that case.07:33
unique311pupnik_, did you run scanner?07:33
pupnik_i first clicked on media player, and that invoked scanner07:33
pupnik_oh well i'll delete the post07:34
unique311i like the post....blunt.07:35
unique311not sure if thats the word.07:35
pupnik_well i realize there are people who like more slickness in a media player07:36
pupnik_trev's release wasn't the place to discuss general design philosophy07:36
trevarthanno, it wasn't.07:38
pupnik_so it's gone.  apologies07:38
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setitehey all07:41
setitewhen i get married to my n800.. will you gus come07:41
pupnik_on the constructive side, i'd suggest 1) query user before scanning 2) query user before connecting to internet and associating cover art, 2) use the filename if no ID3 tag found  3) provide a more usable screen if no media is found07:42
pupnik_am, and renumber that07:43
trevarthanI like #2.07:46
trevarthanThe second #2.07:46
trevarthanI don't like the first #2.07:47
trevarthanI like #1. we already inform them. I guess we need a cancel.07:47
trevarthanI agree with #3.07:47
pupnik_that's one of the fun things about releasing software - you run into weirdos with edge-cases like me07:48
pupnik_It's one reason i always try to avoid a rigid design/implementation schedule when i do professional work.07:49
pupnik_Germans businesses in particular seem to have trouble adapting to an iterave design model.07:49
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pupnik_But all the meetings and analysis in the world isn't going to cover the real world use.07:50
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Luriaanyone having problems getting microb to save about : config settings?07:54
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unique311anyone using gizmo?08:42
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trevarthannot I08:55
unique311i will be using it now..08:57
unique311the 747 number they give you for free, can be used as  a forward #  for grandcentrals number to get calls to the device..08:58
unique311i tried calling the gizmo number but got a message that says the number is not in service.08:59
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unique311but when i use it as a forward to works.09:00
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pupnikif you're ever looking for a chopin CD, Vladimir Ashkenazy is the definitive Chopin interpreter09:12
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bldewolfwhat's the difference between arm and armel?09:38
unique311the l09:39
unique311the el*09:39
bldewolfdoes the EL mean anything?09:39
bldewolfshould I build packages different, or is it just to keep regular arm packages from being installed?09:40
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pupnikyour question about arm vs armel is answered here:
bldewolfah, that explains the name of the scratchbox toolchain as well, thanks09:53
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bldewolfso if I use dpkg to build a package and it produces an arm package instead of an armel package, what did I do wrong? :)09:55
unique311off topic 10GB storage, 10GB bandwidth monthly....FREE09:56
bldewolfdoes that mean if you fill it up, you can't use it for a month? Hmmm09:57
unique311but i doubt you will fill it up that quick10:03
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_MonkeyI'm continually AMAZED at th'breathtaking effects of WIND EROSION!!10:03
unique311hello hermann_34810:03
hermann_348and what are you talking about in this channel?10:04
unique311do you own a n800/770?10:04
hermann_348no but a 628810:04
hermann_348and a A92010:05
hermann_348well cya all10:05
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unique311i didnt10:14
bldewolfI went to it without the ref uid :)10:15
unique311bullshit site10:15
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unique311bldewolf, why10:15
unique311hook a brother up...10:15
bldewolfif I'm going to waste my time on a bullshit site, hell if he's going to profit from it10:15
unique311i'm profitting from it10:16
unique311i thought you were talking about hermann_248's link10:16
bldewolfI was10:16
unique311this is different...10:17
bldewolfer, I went to that already10:17
bldewolfI was saying I took off the "ref.php?uid=348" when going to hermann's site so he didn't get referrer point or anything10:18
bldewolfoh, I see.10:18
unique311see i was polite with my post10:18
unique311i made sure it dealt with the devices10:19
unique311and posted the link on ITT10:19
bldewolfit deals with devices?10:20
unique311online storage10:20
unique311with good amount of bandwidth10:20
unique311free online storage for the N800/77010:21
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unique311well not exactly made for, but you know, can be used by n800/770 users as a means of online storage10:22
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bldewolfWhat's up10:22
unique311hey you got my post jyro10:23
JyroIs pupnik/unique311 here10:23
Jyrooh yeah10:23
Jyrothanks for quick reply10:23
unique311so you going to try your hands at hildonizing mtpaint?10:23
Jyromaybe... but I don't yet know whole lot abt what involves in hildonizing10:24
Jyroi have browsed thru the tutorials10:25
unique311i tried10:25
unique311by going thru the tutorials..and browsing already hildon apps10:25
Jyroit was neat to see the stylus working with mtpaint (pupnik's version)10:25
unique311failed at it10:25
Jyroi see10:25
unique311i compiled mtpaint for the n80010:26
unique311it works10:26
Jyrooh u did.10:26
unique311i have a video on youtube10:26
Jyrocan u give the link10:26
unique311well pupnik compiled it for the 77010:26
unique311give me a sec10:26
Jyroi would like to see the video10:26
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JyroOne neat thing I liked about mtPaint is, all its code is in one place10:27
Jyronot a lot of dependencies10:27
unique311i don't have a video on youtube..10:28
unique311i have 1 on divshare maybe..10:28
unique311i have it somewhere10:28
unique311i hope10:28
Jyroi am gonna browse through the mtpaint code later this week10:28
Jyroand then i will let u guys know what i come up with10:29
Jyroi jsut wanted to check if anyone else is doing it already...10:29
unique311i stopped working on it whe my attempts at hildonizing it didn't work out.10:30
unique311pupnik, might still be working on it..10:30
Jyroi see10:30
unique311probably asleep right now.10:30
unique311he is active in just check back ...10:30
unique311also i'm willing to help out..10:31
JyroI also getting sleepy now....10:31
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pupnikno work on mtpaint10:31
pupnikyou can get the notes off my site10:31
Jyrooh pupnik is there10:31
Jyroyeah i took a look10:31
Jyroi was surprised to see the stylus input working out of the box10:32
Jyrodid you have to do nething special for that?10:32
Jyroor the pointing device's linux drivers make it look like just as a mouse pointer?10:32
pupnikno changes to the source10:32
unique311Jyro, post findings on ITT, also tutorials that help you, and i'll help out..going over the same tutorials.10:32
pupnikjust set CFLAGS before running configure10:33
Jyroset CFLAGS to point where?10:33
gomiamJyro: CFLAGS is the environment variable for pre-defined compiler options10:34
Jyrosure, i know that10:34
gomiamit doesn't point to anywhere10:34
pupnikright now i compile with CFLAGS="-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer" for 77010:35
Jyrogenerally CFLAGS has "-I<header file>"10:35
Jyrook i see10:35
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Jyrothanks guys10:37
Jyroi gtg now10:37
pupnikok cheers!10:37
Jyroi will update as i make progress10:37
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pupniklol just tried tuxpaint for the first time... hilarious10:41
unique311sucks don't it10:44
unique311had someone refer using that...10:45
pupnikfor a kids program it looks fun10:45
pupniki was interested in how fast it draws with fast stylus motion, and it's the fastest i've seen yet (beats mtpaint, maemopad+)10:46
unique311but it sucks pupnik.10:46
unique311i think the description says its for kids..10:46
pupnikit looks like it's buffering the stylus data when it can't keep up10:47
pupnikyes it's a kids program10:48
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unique311going to study away at mtpaints source code10:48
pupniki think mtpaint worked a lot better for you than it did for me10:49 build packages in scratchbox for armel, do I have to move my SB target to armel?  I think it's on arm, even though I used the I missing something?10:50
pupnikbldewolf: you did development for arm targets?10:51
bldewolfI have no idea what I'm doing, really.10:51
bldewolftrying to build packages for my 770?10:51
pupnikwell scratchbox is a little confusing with the naming10:53
bldewolfthe how-tos/etc are a bit too "do this, then it works!"10:53
bldewolfleaving me wondering why I had to do that to make it work10:53
pupnikfor example if i show the Architecture or Sub-architecture in my scratchbox, it says "arm"10:53
pupnikbut everything is building correctly as 'armel'10:53
pupnikso that might be throwing you off10:54
bldewolfyeah, armel is a debian convention isn't it?10:54
bldewolfwell, when I do dpkg-architecture it still shows up as arm :-/10:55
bldewolfand armel isn't in the list of "Known Debian Architectures"10:55
pupnikthen ARCH_CPU=arm10:55
pupnikwhen I go into sb-menu and "show" target information i get:10:56
pupnikCompiler:         cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm10:56
pupnikArchitecture:     arm10:56
pupnikSub-architecture: arm10:56
pupnikC-library:        glibc10:56
pupnikDevkits:          debian cputransp10:56
_Monkeycs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is probably what i have here10:56
pupnikCPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb210:56
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bldewolfhmm, my devkit selection for debian only gave me debian-sarge, debian-etch, etc10:57
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pupnikyou can select multiple devkits before committing your choices10:57
bldewolfshould I select all of them?10:58
bldewolfthere's no 'debian'10:58
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pupnikperhaps you are using a newer scratchbox10:58
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bldewolfany idea which would be most appropriate for maemo?  lenny, sarge, etch10:59
pupniki guess sarge10:59
pupniknot sure though10:59
pupniki've been wanting newer debhelper and other utilities11:00
bldewolfon the same subject, I'm using "Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz" but I have no idea if it's the right one :-/11:00
pupnikmaybe that's what using etch gets you11:00
dpb_you should be using version of the debian devkit11:00
bldewolfall of the how-tos have broken links when linking to where to get it11:00
pupnik^^ dpb_11:00
bldewolfwill do!11:01
pupniki added to my sources.list on host system:  deb ./11:01
dpb_that's wrong11:01
dpb_use " maemo3 main"11:01
dpb_wait, that's wrong11:02
dpb_use " maemo3-sdk main"11:02
dpb_now I got it :)11:02
pupnikthat will also work for building gregale / 770 binaries, right?11:03
pupnikwith the corresponding darget+rootstrap?11:03
bldewolfoh beautiful! thanks dpb11:03
dpb_pupnik: I believe so11:04
bldewolfnow "apt-get install" doesn't explode with millions of missing packages...11:04
pupnikdpb_: do you know if there is a scratchbox + maemo environment that provides debhelper 5 and associated tools?11:04
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pupnikabout 80% of my debian sources specify 5, and a fair number of them really need it11:05
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dpb_I can't remember. jumpula would know.11:06
pupnikok thanks11:06
* pupnik plays with the xaos fractal zoomer and watches the math errors with amusement11:09
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JaffaMorning, all11:10
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jumpulapupnik: there is11:12
jumpulainstall debian devkit 1.0.8 and select debian-etch for your target11:12
jumpulanote that you have to re-create the target by hand11:12
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pupnikjumpula: thanks, that sounds very attractive11:13
jumpulaand installing breaks the compability with older targets. i think the revised install script know how to create a target which is compatible with debian devkit 1.0.811:13
jumpulaso, if you user the revised version, nothing should break11:14
jumpulathis is due to the removal of the generic debian devkit11:14
jumpulato support different flavors (releases) of debian11:14
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pupnikit will go onto a vmware image for portability then11:16
pupnikalso safety - not going to break the current environment11:16
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AD-N770good morning11:17
jumpulapupnik: that, or in some other location than /scratchbox11:19
jumpulaextract the tarballs under /opt for example11:19
pupnikif that works ok...11:21
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floriangood morning12:43
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janig'day all12:51
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acydlordbah, someone keeps trying to crack in to my account on internettablettalk13:12
acydlordsome people have too much time on their hands13:12
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DibblahAnyone written udev rules to set the input method for an external keyboard (USB)?13:46
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greygooDibblah: you got usb host mode working?13:59
greygoonice, I tried, but something's not working13:59
greygoopathced kernel (latest one), compiled, flashed.13:59
DibblahWhat does dmesg say?13:59
DibblahHave you used flasher to enable USB host mode?14:00
Dibblah(Not just installed a different kernel)14:00
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greygoonow usb seems not to work at all not in peripheral mode, nor in host mode. dmesg does not say anything, no matter what i plug in14:00
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DibblahWorked just fine for me...14:00
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greygooi folllowed the instructions from muru.com14:01
Dibblah"the USB chip doesn't seem to turn on unless +5 volts is supplied to the tablet's USB port"14:01
DibblahSo you need power routed through to the N770.14:01
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greygoo < i used patches from there and the instructions from there. And i have a n800...14:02
DibblahDid you do –enable-usb-host-mode14:02
bigkevmcdhello, I guess there's no simple apt-gettable cross-compilation setup for Debian/Ubuntu?14:03
greygooaeh - were, with flasher? No. It was not mentioned on the page containing the patches and docs and nobody mentioned it, so no i haven't ;)14:03
DibblahOkay. Well, I don't know the N800. It could be (and probably is) different :)14:04
greygooyes, according to sources on the web it is, sorry to bother you14:04
greygooI just wonder which magical button i did not press, as everything behaved as expected from the documentation14:05
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alplo Chili14:17
Chilitake it you have a n77014:17
alpwell, i hack on nokia internet tablets :-)14:18
Chilijust got mine something to play with14:19
Chiligot any recommendations for it?14:21
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amranyone any idea why this stream wont work in canola14:21
alpChili: i guess it'd be worth playing around with the "IT OS2007 Hacker Edition" firmware if you have a 77014:22
DibblahHeh. Looks like I got one of the last cheap N770s in the UK :)14:23
Dibblah(Expansys is no longer listing them)14:24
Chilialp you install that with the niokia upgrader app right?14:24
bigkevmcdDibblah: have them14:25
Chilino skype yet on the n770 yet, even with IT OS2007 right?14:27
DibblahWould really, really have liked it if Nokia hadn't used the dual Flash / RAM :(14:27
DibblahThat way it may have been possible to upgrade to something more future proof :(14:27
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alpChili: nope, it's tied in to the serial number, but there should be gtalk14:48
bigkevmcdalp: do you know of any Linux voice-capable jabber clients?14:49
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alpbigkevmcd: banter is the only voip-capable desktop client i know,
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_Monkeyhey, senuxis15:24
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gw280alp: so, EAL? :P15:26
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trexa_gyreyehi! can you copy a file from the device to a mobile telephone via bluetooth?16:26
jucoit depends on the phone16:29
jucoif your phone support obex, then yes16:30
jucoonce you've paired your phone with the device, open "file manager"16:30
jucoif you can browse the files on the phone, then you should also be able to copy and paste files to the phone16:31
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trexa_gyreyejuco: so there isn't an option on the n800, send this file via bluetooth16:32
jucoI don't know about the n800, I don't have one16:33
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jucoit wouldn't surprise me if it does16:34
jucothe stack has support for obex push16:34
trexa_gyreyejuco: thanks a lot...i will investigate more16:34
jucobut the 2006 OS only has support in the user interface for a single bluetooth device at a time16:35
_Monkeyhmmm... x-fade is red pill btw..16:35
timeless_monkey forget x-fade16:35
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot x-fade16:35
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jucolooks like it should do what you want, but doesn't have a release16:39
bergietrexa_gyreye: IIRC, OBEX send/receive is integrated with file manager on N80016:40
jucobergie, on the 770 that's obex ftp16:41
jucosome phones only support obex push16:41
trexa_gyreyebergie: yes bergie you are right! Thanks a lot guys16:41
jucospeaking of bluetooth, does anyone have a good link to some docs on pragmatically controlling the bt connection?16:43
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jucobringing the interface up, controlling the power mode, that sort of thing?16:44
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gomiam2Howdy. Any idea on how to force recognition of a Bluetooth keyboard?17:08
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gomiam2It's a Zaapa model, but my N800 doesn't recognise its type17:09
timelessinz: ping17:13
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gomiam2timeless: no route to host inz :)17:17
timelessping timeout is more accurate17:17
gomiam2Unfortunately ping timeout is in-computer.17:18
gomiam2Next time I will use the ICMP: TTL exceeded message17:18
gomiam2btw, is there a way to tell the N800 to consider a bluetooth device as a keyboard ?17:20
gomiam2Please enlighten me17:20
timelessi think you just bluetooth pair a keyboard and maybe it magically works17:21
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lardmangomiam2: is an option17:29
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* timeless grumbles17:37
timelesssvn1.3 and svn1.4 use different file formats for .svn/entries17:37
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gomiamthanks lardman. I got dropped :-)17:43
gomiamYay that kbdd might work, since this keyboard announces itself as a SPP device17:45
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trevarthanpupnik: hey, did you ever get gtkboard ported to hildon?18:12
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gw280timeless: do you know if the source code to has been released anywhere?18:24
timelessit's definitely something you need :)18:25
timelessnope :)18:26
gw280timeless: that's just a package descriptor that says it depends on the widgets stuff?18:26
timelessseems it got stuck somewhere :)18:27
timelesssorry :)18:27
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timelessthat seems to have set engine menu18:28
timelesswhich is why i couldn't find it18:28
gw280timeless: yes, hence why I asked :)18:28
timelesssorry, i'm running around like a chicken with a different head cut off18:29
* timeless tries to decide exactly how to abuse bug 160518:29
timelessshould i be nice and leave that bug where it was filed and just file a blocker?18:29
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gw280timeless: do you know of anyone in nokia I can contact about the tablet-browser-widgets lib?18:34
timelesskinda pointless, you've contacted me18:34
timelessif you feel a need to go on record, file a bug18:34
timelessi think all three of the people here are clearly aware of it as of now18:35
timelessi'd actually encourage you to file the bug18:35
timelessbut please try to be specific18:35
timelesswhy you want it, why you found it missing, what you expect to do with it18:35
gw280timeless: right18:37
gw280timeless: I'll file a bug if I can't sort it out18:37
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gw280success! webkit is displaying inside the browser ui on this N80019:16
gw280or rather, our dummy EAL pretending to be webkit is19:16
timelessi presume you saw they fixed the links for dummy eal, sorry about that :)19:17
gw280timeless: yes, I reported the bug :P19:17
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Jaffagw280: very cool, now you've just got to do the webkit bit :)19:35
gw280Jaffa: well, alp and I are doing that19:35
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gw280Jaffa: probably mainly alp19:35
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tsohmm, i guess there are no weather addon that can do weather for any region of the planet?19:41
mgedminwaah, kagu's issue tracker won't let me report bugs19:42
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gomiammgedmin: Simon told him to do it... or else19:43
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Jaffagw280: cool. Using a proper trunk version of WebKit, or the OWB-approach of a fork? (assuming you're *not* OWB...)19:49
dalonsoplease, anybody succeed at updating the armel scratchbox from 3.1 to 3.2?19:50
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gw280Jaffa: trunk19:50
amris there a proper method of removing a memory card19:51
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amror is it just open the flap thing and take it out19:51
amri always feel bad doing it19:51
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dalonsoanybody? Don't?19:53
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gomiamgreat, it looks like my Bluetooth keyboard is finally coming through19:59
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gomiamnow I only need to find a way to emulate function keys :-D20:00
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mgedminamr: as far as I can tell, the proper method is to open the flap, wait for a popup message saying that the memory card has been unmounted, then pull it out20:13
mgedminif the card's in use, you'll get a different message and shouldn't touch the card, or you might corrupt data on it20:13
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dalonsoany one her with knowledge of the update-mime-database command?20:18
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Chili2ok usb logo update doesn't find my n77020:25
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Chili2whats up with that20:25
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Chili2ok only likes the cable it came with...rather than my generic cheap ass mini usb20:29
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Chili2ok so I have it os200720:37
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Chili2seems a little slower than os200620:40
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gomiamwhat a pity. Almost everything on my Zaapa Bluetooth keyboard works... excepting the AltGr Key20:46
gomiam(and Fn too)20:47
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gomiamtime to try and find the keycode (and patch the kbdd binary, I'm not in the mood for compiling a new one ;-)20:48
timelessinz: i've aired the dirty laundry20:53
unique311anybody from InternetTabletTalk?20:53
unique311an admin20:53
gomiamlooks like none of those is available20:54
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unique311its sucks21:01
unique311i posted a nice little deal in ITT21:01
unique311and this f#!$face  by the name of Rider attacks it.21:01
unique311whats so hard about viewing a post and if you feel like you don't like it.  go on to the next.21:02
timelessthat's why i ignore blogs and things with comment support21:03
timelessthey're bad news21:03
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timelessif you want to safely express an opinion, use your own site and don't allow comments21:03
timelessrely on trackback :)21:03
* timeless goes to try to figure out how to layer garage over sardine21:04
* sp3000 thinks real world metaphors may be unhelpful in solving that21:05
timelessi've found the place to do it21:05
timelessit looks fairly simple21:05
sp3000yeah, I was thinking about sardines and garages21:06
timelessoh, yeah, well,...21:06
* timeless frowns21:07
unique311i guess you right.21:07
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sp3000basically where that ends up in is mixing sardines into concrete21:07
unique311but he just started a fu$#@$ war....I don't too well when people attack me.21:07
timelessunique311: i don't do well when people file idiotic bugs about browser21:08
timelessbut the best approach is to ignore them21:08
unique311i want to..21:08
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* timeless sighs21:08
unique311but i pm'd the admins..21:08
unique311all of them.21:08
timelessthat's moderately ok21:08
unique311i want satisfaction.21:08
unique311but also replied to his post..21:08
timelessi walked to ferenc to get him to fix some bad content for browser pages21:08
timelessyeah, don't do that21:08
unique311called him a dick head.21:08
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timelessout of band = ok. in band = disaster21:09
unique311best i could come up with on short notice21:09
timeless    #remove the extra space that i stupidly added when parsing lxr.conf21:10
timeless        $self->{$stupid} =~ s/^\s+//;21:10
* timeless enhances code21:11
unique311was i wrong for putting this thread up in the general discussions forum Off Topic.
VladDracbah, stupid client21:11
VladDrac(both pidgkin and colloquy)21:11
* sp3000 slaps $phone21:12
sp30007 keypresses from sms content to when it was received21:12
timelesssp3000: which do you have?21:12
timelessbtw: somewhere I have a 2g micro that i should pass to you guys21:12
timelessremind me to try to find it tomorrow?21:13
timelessit's nokia brand :)21:13
sp3000this is a 2610 (hey, got it for free...)21:13
timelessyou know the price i paid for mine [pl], right? :)21:13
sp3000hmm, its product page crashes fx trunk21:14
timeless(what doesn't crash fx trunk)21:14
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timelessi really need to figure out what to do about treeify21:15
timelessright now it happily parses everything, and then seems to forget about most things21:15
timelessthat's probably not such a great idea21:16
timelessalthough, maybe it works?21:16
sp3000no, I don't think I do21:16
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trevarthanI want to write an IRC client for maemo that is touchscreen, finger, and LED friendly. IRSSI is ok, but it's CLI, so when you go to edit your own text, you only see what you've written in the current thumb kb session.21:17
sp3000yeah java21:17
trevarthanXChat give you full current line history in the thumb kb (cause it's GTK), but it's a pain in the ass to scroll back. No pageup/pagedown buttons.21:18
timelessjust get rid of the java plugin until they make it stop crashing when it tries to init :)21:18
trevarthanI want to drag my chat history like a browser page, and like Kagu's song list.21:18
timelesstravarthan: that's what we get for being stupid and putting things not into the platform21:19
gomiammmm... this is funny. The Bugzilla has no kbdd option21:19
timelessbut yeah, i consider the fkb impl a bug21:19
trevarthanI guess IRSSI would be perfect if the xterm was upgraded to scroll like the browser and if the current line's content showed up in the thumb kb, and if I could write hooks for it in python instead of perl.21:19
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trevarthanAnyone from -hackers here? Anyone who wrote the upgraded version of xterm with the side menus and such?21:20
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timelessi think they removed a lot of components21:21
timelessbecause they went hog wild w/ components21:21
timelessyou probably want the "packages" component21:21
timelessif i were to place a guess21:21
timelessif they were clever, they could have abused the version field21:22
timelessbut something tells me they didn't21:22
Juhaztrevarthan, there is an experimental python module for irssi.21:22
timelessindeed, they didn't21:23
trevarthanJuhaz: didn't know that. I'll check that out. that might solve one problem out of 3.21:23
timelesssp3000: remind me to make an update to the bugzilla install list, the handhelds entry is out of date (moved)21:24
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trevarthanhmmmm... anyone know of a CLI passthrough to javascript?21:33
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timelessthere are a dozen javascript shells21:34
trevarthanlike, an xterm. implemented in javascript. that executes commands on a real machine?21:34
timelessbut what are you trying to do?21:34
timelessthere are a couple21:34
timelessthere was one called xmlterm21:34
timelessanother called jssh iirc21:34
timelessyeah, that's the modern one21:34
timelessthe first one is an xterm implemented in javascript21:35
timelessthe second one is more of a js shell implemented in javascript for use w/ telnet21:35
timelessunfortunately, the former kinda rotted a few years ago21:35
timelessit was very cool, i'd love to see it resurrected :|21:35
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trevarthanjssh doesn't quite seem like what I need... as it's written in C...21:37
trevarthanI want something written in javascript, and maybe PHP.21:37
trevarthanclient/server architecture.21:37
timelesswhere the server runs arbitrary commands?21:38
* timeless shrugs21:38
timelessit'd be trivially to adapt jssh to do what you want21:38
timelessnsIProcess lets you run things21:38
trevarthanbut I can't run jssh on my n800, can i?21:38
timelessactually, you probably could21:39
timelessif you can't, that's a bug21:39
timelessyou'd need to use microb engine (or you could try minimo/firefox, but, i can't be paid to support that)21:39
trevarthanyeah, already using that.21:40
timelessactually, from a certain perspective, that already does everything21:41
timelesssince i could if you ran it instantiate nsIProcesses and run arbitrary commands21:41
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* sp3000 used it to install packages when he was missing an xterm ;)21:42
* timeless chuckles21:42
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timelessactuallyl, it'd be a fairly good thing to port to microb's extensionjs package stuff21:43
trevarthanyeah. ok. screw that. terrible idea. shoot me.21:43
trevarthanBetter to just improve osso-xterm, I think.21:43
timelesstrevarthan: between it and chatzilla (which i've often considered trying to convert into a mud client)21:44
timelessyou really could have that stuff21:44
timelessanyway, it really wouldn't be too hard to do21:44
trevarthanyeah, I'm not messing with it. too kludgy.21:45
timelessheck, it's pretty easy to take microb and write an html file that would do it21:45
timelessabout:config is one21:45
timelessyou'd probably want to use a frameset w/ document.write21:45
timelesssp3000: got time to read some scary code?21:46
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timelessi can't figure out what that loop is doing, or why21:47
sp3000sure even21:48
timelessi mean, i think i can, it just seems kinda strange21:49
Luriaanyone having problems getting microb to save about : config settings?21:50
timelessyou need to get an updated version21:51
timelessthe version we shipped doesn't actually work :)21:51
timelessit made a stupid assumption or three and it didn't actually hurt enough for me to fix it until after21:51
timelesssorry :)21:51
timelessif you have xterm, i can explain how to fix it21:51
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Luria(if that was directed at me)21:53
timelessdownload that file21:54
trevarthantimeless: hmmm.... trac is open.
timelessit belongs, um, somewhere in /usr/lib/microb-engine/21:54
timelessyou can use find in there to find the file...21:55
timelessi'd highly suggest you move theold file out of the way instead of simply deleting it21:56
timelessnote, you'll of course need to be root long enough to replace the file21:56
* timeless hopes the version on sanjay is new enough21:56
timelessis the official file, afaict they're identical21:57
timeless(it's a lot harder for me to search for files in svn than in my xref)21:58
timelessplease let me know if it works21:58
timelessit's fairly easy to test, either searching works or it doesn't21:59
* timeless finds location_href (which is the thing that was needed to work around res:)21:59
trevarthaninz: check my tickets for osso-xterm! help me out man! :)22:01
timelessdidn't inz say something about vacationing?22:01
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trevarthantimeless: is the GUI for the maemo browser open source? i.e. the part that wraps microb and allows you to drag scroll?22:12
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timelessdrag scrolling isn't in the gui, it's in  the engine22:14
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timelessand most of the gui, and all of the engine is open source22:14
timelessthe "panning" of which you speak is one of many disaster areas22:14
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ericzuh.. my 770 is rebooting every time it connects to my wifi22:15
timelessit interacts very badly w/ e.g. blogger22:15
timelessand many other google web apps22:15
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timelessclever idea22:15
timelessabsolutely stupid to have implemented22:15
timelessfundamentally flawed22:15
ericzit searches, sees the signal, i hit connect, the icon blinks like it's connecting.. i see a glimpse of "Connected to <ssid>" and bam, reboots22:15
timelessericz: nice22:16
ericzwas working fine yesterday.. :/22:16
timelessinstall ksyslogd or whatever22:16
timelessyou can check some flag file to get the bootreason22:16
ericzi just did it from the Tools > Connection manager22:17
timeless'course, if your wifi is rebooting you, i'd imagine trying to install syslogd could be quite an adventure22:17
timelessin theory you could grab the .debs manually :)22:18
trevarthantimeless: so... if the engine that does that panning is open source, can you point me to the code? I'd like to take a look at how it's handled.22:18
ericzNokia770-49:~# cat /proc/bootreason sw_rst22:18
ericzsw_rst mean anything to you?22:18
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ericz"start-up reason was reset" ?22:20
timelesshey, i didn't say it meant much :)22:21
ericzcritical system app crashing can trigger that, anyway to find which app?22:21
timelessas i said, install ksyslogd22:22
ericzwhere can i get that?22:22
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timelessum, it might be in maemoextras22:23
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* timeless shrugs22:23
timeless(clearly you can't get it from
timelessthis is 770 you said? which release? 2005 ? 2006?22:23
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timelessis for 2.122:24
* timeless can't remember which is which22:24
timelesssorry sysklogd22:24
timelessso hard to remember where people hide k's these days22:24
timelessluria: it didn't work?22:24
timelessericz: you'd have to figure out which repo you want22:25
timelessbut it's definitely part of extras22:25
timelessso if you follow whichever wiki page explains how to add extras for your os rev22:25
Luriaabout config searches now, but it still wont keep snav.enabled off22:25
timelessyou can search for "sysklogd" and it'll turn up22:25
timelessluria: iirc snav is its own lib22:26
timelessif you don't like it, just rename it22:26
timelessit should be /usr/lib/microb-engine/components/ or something22:26
Luriathe keyboard popup is annoying22:26
timelessmy spelling is of course not guaranteed, and again, don't delet,e just rename22:26
timelessiirc that's not snav22:27
timelessiirc that was actually in a different portion of the code22:27
timelessit's fixed in the next version22:27
timelesswe really should try to release this week22:27
Luriasetting snav off goes line by line, but has the side effect of stopping that22:27
* timeless shrugs22:28
Luriabut every time i set it false in a:c it turns back on at the next restart22:29
timelessmy memory of precisely where bad code lies is hard22:29
timelessluria: you can try creating a file ~/.microb/user.js with something like:22:29
Luriai can live for a week :-)22:29
timelessuser_pref("snav.enabled", false);22:29
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Luriagood point22:30
timelessor you can find /usr/lib/microb-engine/gre/prefs/all.js (?) and replace snav.enabled true w/ snav.enabled false22:30
trevarthananyone here ordering an openmoko developer phone? looks kinda cool.22:30
timelessnot sure if it's all.js or one fo the others22:30
timelessit's trivial to use grep to figure it out22:30
timelessi'd rather finish hacking this xref thing than check myself22:30
Luriaoh its in userpref22:30
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timelesshrm, odd22:31
Luriai sudo edited it, without it running and set to opera22:31
Luriano go22:31
timelesssnav.enabled ?22:31
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timelessthere isn't a default pref value for that22:32
timelessit looks like it's reading some other file22:32
timelessand i broke the parser :)22:32
timelessjump to line 1710 :)22:32
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timelesslooks like it just helpfully enables it at startup22:33
timelessunless i'm missing something :)22:33
timelessnot quite sure when precisely g_mozilla_web_set_default_config is used22:33
Luriaits no big deal if a keyboard pop up fix is coming soon22:34
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timelesswell, we've had the fix for over a week22:34
timelessi think we're trying to find a reasonably stable build and get people to agree it's stable22:35
Luriaand frankly xchat w/out bt kybd is painful22:35
Luriameh, release often :-)22:35
timelesswe have a tinderbox for internal releases22:35
timelesswe just got some sort of access to an unstable repository22:36
timelesshopefully by next week you could use that :)22:36
Luriasound good22:36
Luriait will be nice having good rtl support22:36
erstaziwho uses scratchbox here?22:37
* timeless uses it occasionally, unfortunately22:38
* dev does22:38
erstaziwhat distro do you use it on?22:38
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deverstazi: Ubuntu22:39
timelesshow do i find out? :)22:39
Luriai think everyone uses the vm ;-)22:39
timeless$ cat /etc/debian_version22:39
erstazidev, did you add scratchbox's repos in your sources.list on ubuntu?22:39
* timeless suspects most people don't22:39
deverstazi: no, I installed from tar22:39
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erstazithats always an option22:40
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timeless[Mon Aug 06 12:32:37 2007] [error] [client] Out of memory!22:41
timelessnow, that's a funny error22:41
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erstazisetite, does cox suck?22:43
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ericzerstazi, as in the ISP?22:44
timelessoh, btw, if you're trying to do searches right now on timeless.justdave, i'm sorry22:45
timelessi'm hacking the scripts a bit and breaking things :)22:46
erstaziericz, (:22:48
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ericzerstazi, i have Cox (in hampton roads, VA), they give pretty cool speeds, but.. i can't host my own website on port 80, they block it incoming or something.. and.. i can only use their own port 25 smtp server, i can't run my own, but for like gmail.. since there's is SSL, it works22:50
erstaziericz, you can always get a local based cable company22:51
erstazithey never care if you host a webserver or not22:51
* timeless really shouldn't test things on a public web server22:51
ericzi'm not that concerned, i buy shared hosting anyway..22:52
erstaziericz, but actually, I was just being sarcastic22:52
ericzah :P22:52
* ericz feels stupid22:52
erstaziits ok22:52
dhr[newbie] is it possible to rotate the xterm?22:52
timelessno :)22:52
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dhrdropbear or openssh?  I picked dropbear based on the assumption that it was smaller.  Typing dbclient instead of ssh takes getting used to (or a symlink, I hope).  Neither seems mainstream (installer doesn't work for openssh; dropbear is an offsite .deb)22:54
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ericzi installed dropbear-client and just typing "ssh" works for me...22:55
erstazidhr, the openssh worked for me22:56
* sp3000 slaps $phone22:58
sp3000sending with one keypress from edit is treacherous :)22:59
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derfThe installer works for openssh.22:59
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derfBut you must be in red pill mode or R&D mode.22:59
erstaziderf, thats what I meant but my short term memory did its trip22:59
erstaziisn't there a how-to for that? I think that would be helpful for dhr.23:00
derfSomewhere on the wiki, I would assume.23:00
derfI just run in R&D mode all the time now, so I haven't messed with it in quite some time.23:01
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trevarthanHey, do any devs want to check out the libmokoui2 scroll widget example on maemo? I've got a deb for libmokoui2 (thanks disq!) and an example binary that shows off the widget.23:03
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sp3000why is the link on that page a monospace formatted block23:03
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sp3000oh wow, I found a working login23:07
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dhris there a consensus on a nice but affordable bluetooth keyboard?23:10
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whereisianHello, I'm having a prblem with sounds on my 770, am I in the right place?23:24
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trevarthanAnyone want to try out the OpenMoko Finger Scroll Widget on their maemo device?
whereisianChat/call sounds don't play, except in audioplayer23:26
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erstaziwhereisian, 770 or n800?23:28
tsohmm, with red pill active, a whole lot of new updates showed up. how safe is it to do them on a 770?23:29
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whereisianShows 'unsupported ringing tone format' in control panel >sounds23:30
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dragorntso: Avoid busybox updates23:31
dragorntso: is my $0.0223:31
tsothanks, but i think ill just stay away for now :)23:32
dragorntso: also consider a "if it ain't broke" policy :P23:32
dhris there a consensus on a nice but affordable bluetooth keyboard? [sorry for the repetition but everyone went away when I asked a few minutes ago]23:36
nomisdhr: the nokia one works.23:37
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