| trevarthan | unique311: no, your theme highlights a lot of bugs/assumptions in kagu's theme implementation. That's excellent. Makes them easy to fix. | 00:01 |
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| unique311 | not sure thats a bad thing.. | 00:02 |
| unique311 | keeps my thumb of the music list.. | 00:03 |
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| unique311 | notice also the when you quit, the ok and cancel are inside of a white rectangle. | 00:04 |
| trevarthan | oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about something else. Yeah, that's sort of done intentionally. | 00:04 |
| unique311 | i manage to hide this for the OK for the music list. | 00:04 |
| trevarthan | :) Yeah, and the pause/play/next/prev buttons use a white rectangle for transparency. That's what I was talking about when I said it highlights a lot of bad assumptions in the theme implementation. | 00:05 |
| trevarthan | unique311: I've always intended to get rid of the OK button eventually and use one tap to stop scrolling and one tap to select an item instead. I'll see if I can implement that for 1.1. Otherwise I'll fix the OK button's white rectangle. | 00:06 |
| unique311 | i had to use the light blue instead of the white... | 00:06 |
| unique311 | why not just use the play icon there. | 00:07 |
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| trevarthan | unique311: because taps are better. you'll see. | 00:08 |
| trevarthan | unique311: BTW, are you running SVN? | 00:08 |
| unique311 | no | 00:09 |
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| unique311 | kagu dev | 00:09 |
| unique311 | 1.0 | 00:09 |
| unique311 | deb* | 00:09 |
| trevarthan | you're developing with 1.0.1 release? | 00:09 |
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| unique311 | 1.0 | 00:09 |
| trevarthan | k. it's basically the same thing. | 00:09 |
| unique311 | check this out | 00:09 |
| unique311 | i just added the classics sixties | 00:10 |
| unique311 | about 7 to 8 albums | 00:10 |
| unique311 | 900+MB | 00:10 |
| unique311 | slowed down loading time | 00:10 |
| trevarthan | yeah, it's got to build the album list. | 00:11 |
| trevarthan | we should have that fixed for 1.1 | 00:11 |
| trevarthan | it's not fixed in SVN yet, but that's what I'm working on right now. | 00:11 |
| unique311 | k. | 00:11 |
| trevarthan | we've got a ton of performance improvements coming down the pipe. should be a great release. | 00:12 |
| unique311 | so change the green, and bluetooth off button( greyscale). green to yellow. | 00:12 |
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| unique311 | I love the sixties.... | 00:27 |
| unique311 | good music back then | 00:27 |
| pupnik | me too | 00:28 |
| unique311 | i'm a late 70's baby... | 00:28 |
| pupnik | morning | 00:28 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 00:28 |
| unique311 | what went on in the 70 | 00:28 |
| pupnik | bluetooth? | 00:28 |
| unique311 | lol | 00:28 |
| * pupnik has browntooth | 00:28 | |
| pupnik | Dr. TOoth! | 00:28 |
| unique311 | i just got this awesome collection.. | 00:28 |
| unique311 | 8 CD's of the best | 00:28 |
| pupnik | people only remember and reprint the best | 00:29 |
| pupnik | "New! The Worst Hits of the 60s!" | 00:29 |
| unique311 | only need the best..really... | 00:30 |
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| unique311 | usually when i buy a cd, which i havent done in about 8 years.. | 00:30 |
| unique311 | its only for 2 or 3 songs | 00:30 |
| unique311 | which usually make it to the best of something. | 00:30 |
| pupnik | speaking of music, there might be a bug in the repo's mikmod | 00:32 |
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| tso | hmm, i take it there is a known issue with the 770 and net radio dropping out when the device goes into "standby" | 00:34 |
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| unique311 | pupnik can anybody program this monkey to retain information? | 00:48 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:49 |
| pupnik | afaik | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | tso - you can increase screen dimming timeouts | 00:49 |
| tso | do not seem to help much | 00:50 |
| tso | at best it buys me so extra time of music | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | tso there must be a solution for this | 00:51 |
| pupnik | which player do you use? | 00:52 |
| tso | and it seems independent of screen dimming time. it appears i get better time if i turn of the option to "turn of network" when cover is over device | 00:52 |
| tso | internal one. only one i have found to have a desktop apple | 00:52 |
| tso | applet | 00:52 |
| tso | hrmf. didnt help much either way... | 00:52 |
| * pupnik is jealous of unique311 and the rest of the 800 owners :/ | 00:52 | |
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| tso | strange thing is that it goes to buffering and then fails. even if one wakes the device back up | 00:53 |
| unique311 | why? | 00:53 |
| pupnik | just watching your gimp video again | 00:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2jVHqvDW5M | 00:53 |
| tso | one have to kill the connection and re-connect for it to start playing again... | 00:53 |
| unique311 | i know. | 00:53 |
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| unique311 | it can happen.. | 00:53 |
| unique311 | but i don't think no one wants to take that hildonizing job.. | 00:54 |
| unique311 | i'm happy with mtpaint.. | 00:54 |
| tso | hell, it seems to be very aggressive about disconnecting the wifi when the connection is idle for some reason... | 00:54 |
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| pupnik | yes this saves much battery | 00:56 |
| oPless | lol, I might have known alp was over here | 00:56 |
| * oPless waves at amr | 00:56 | |
| tso | maybe so, but it seems to mess up the browsing. sometimes it just stalls on connect or similar. but then i have a feel the browser is buggy as it ignore all input at times except going backwards in browsing history... | 00:57 |
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| amr | :-)) | 00:58 |
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| pupnik | sometimes opera browser or also xterm ignores input from synergy | 01:05 |
| pupnik | i think this was fixed in 2007he | 01:05 |
| Guest59258 | pupnik | 01:05 |
| _Monkey | i think pupnik is stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry | 01:05 |
| Guest59258 | how the hell to i compile shit for the nokia | 01:06 |
| Guest59258 | i want aircrack damnit | 01:06 |
| Guest59258 | :) | 01:06 |
| Guest59258 | oh shit im on guest | 01:06 |
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| tso | if they could make mozilla or webkit default in he then i guess it would be a valid choice? | 01:06 |
| pupnik | aircrack is available for 770 | 01:06 |
| pupnik | themes? | 01:09 |
| tso | hmm, weird. im suspecting that the player needs to know that the music source is a stream, not a audio file... | 01:12 |
| tso | i went to shoutcast, clicked the link to the "radio" i wanted, it went into the player. and its still playing. with the lid on... | 01:13 |
| tso | when i did this from the saved entry i had in the favorites list it died within this time iirc | 01:14 |
| tso | reason i started to suspect this was because the factory installed radio seemd to outlast the one i had added... | 01:14 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: themes is http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html | 01:18 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 01:19 |
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| tso | grumble. when i think i have it figured out, it proves me wrong... | 01:26 |
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| tso | hmm, i swear the factory radio lasts longer then the one i attempt to use... | 01:30 |
| oPless | is this a dev channel or a general chat channel? | 01:31 |
| pupnik | mostly chat, some dev | 01:32 |
| rwhitby | general on-topic chat :-) | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | i somehow messed up all my themes - white bar on top and bottom of app list | 01:32 |
| pupnik | and reinstalling doesn't help | 01:32 |
| oPless | is there a scratchbox for OSX 10.3.9 ? | 01:34 |
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| setite | hey all | 01:35 |
| oPless | lo | 01:35 |
| setite | need help tethering.... | 01:35 |
| setite | i have an htc apache | 01:35 |
| setite | i cant seem to get bluetooth dun working but i have bluetooth pan.. can i use that | 01:35 |
| oPless | htc apache? wtf is one of those? | 01:37 |
| setite | ppc | 01:37 |
| setite | windows mobile pda phone | 01:38 |
| setite | also known as audiovox 6700 | 01:38 |
| setite | io should ask rather.. anyone know how to get the nokia to play nicely with a windows mobile phone | 01:38 |
| oPless | ahh | 01:38 |
| oPless | to connect with a 770/80 | 01:38 |
| oPless | ? | 01:38 |
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| tso | ok, thats it. im starting to suspect the player. so, anyone have a net radio player to suggest. one with a lite weight ui? | 01:39 |
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| setite | oooh looks like i have found some threads | 01:39 |
| oPless | on my htc tytn there's a dun app | 01:40 |
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| setite | ah man | 01:41 |
| setite | im gonna have the same experience on the nokia that i always have with linux | 01:41 |
| setite | its over my head | 01:41 |
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| setite | i have to run some script shit to get pan.. bah | 01:41 |
| setite | whats the app oPless | 01:41 |
| setite | wmodem? | 01:41 |
| oPless | it's on charge right now, and I'm watching heros | 01:42 |
| Chili2 | dropbear or openssh? | 01:42 |
| Chili2 | what should I install? | 01:43 |
| Chili2 | I can find the right version of dropbear but am struggling to find openssh | 01:43 |
| oPless | dropbear ftw :) | 01:44 |
| pupnik | dropbear seems to reject -c blowfish as cipher - openssh might be faster for scp | 01:44 |
| Chili2 | but scp does work in dropbear? | 01:45 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:45 |
| Chili2 | ok | 01:45 |
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| Chili2 | pupnim are you using os2006 or 2007 | 01:46 |
| Chili2 | pupnik are you using os2006 or 2007 | 01:46 |
| pupnik | note to self, having multiple OS on MMC helps save device when themes are screwed=-up | 01:46 |
| tso | well this was a interesting experience. i killed the virtual mem and then tried to uninstall something. now its just sitting there updating the list of installed stuff | 01:46 |
| pupnik | 2006 | 01:46 |
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| pupnik | if you can help make 2007he better, then that is a good project | 01:48 |
| Chili2 | ok got root, xterm, ssh client..now what should I try | 01:48 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 01:48 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is, like, is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 01:48 |
| Chili2 | done that | 01:48 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 01:49 |
| _Monkey | repositories are not just a job, but an adventure! Add some for big win! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories | 01:49 |
| Chili2 | cool | 01:50 |
| Chili2 | thats next | 01:50 |
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| Chili2 | pupnik how do I know what version of os2006 I have or is there just the one..I only got my n770 yesterday | 01:52 |
| pupnik | uname -a | 01:53 |
| pupnik | Linux Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 | 01:53 |
| Chili2 | ok | 01:53 |
| Chili2 | so it has the normal nix tools then | 01:53 |
| pupnik | many are stripped-down versions | 01:54 |
| pupnik | (busybox) | 01:54 |
| pupnik | why can't i mount my mmc rootfs? | 01:54 |
| pupnik | cat /proc/partitions | 01:54 |
| pupnik | major minor #blocks name | 01:54 |
| pupnik | 254 1 1500000 mmcblk0p1 | 01:54 |
| pupnik | 254 2 249984 mmcblk0p2 | 01:54 |
| pupnik | 254 3 249984 mmcblk0p3 | 01:54 |
| pupnik | mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmc2 | 01:55 |
| pupnik | mount: Mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /media/mmc2 failed: No such device | 01:55 |
| Chili2 | do I have to run gainroot to get su everytime? | 01:55 |
| pupnik | yes, or ssh-in to root | 01:55 |
| Chili2 | pupnick isn't mmcblk0p2 a swap | 01:56 |
| Chili2 | so ssh in to 127.0.etc | 01:56 |
| pupnik | no blk0p2 and p2 are alternate root filesystems i have set up in bultiboot - currently i'm booting from internal flash | 01:57 |
| pupnik | and p3 | 01:57 |
| Chili2 | so is os2007 really buggy? | 01:58 |
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| pupnik | oh, i forgot to insert the ext2 kernel module before mounting insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko | 01:59 |
| pupnik | 2007he uses bora repositories, but bora programs are made for n800, and a few will not work correctly on 770 hardware | 01:59 |
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| pupnik | i also had problems running a few emulators on 2007he (dosbox) | 02:00 |
| pupnik | Chili2: if you are into emulation/gaming, check my site http://pupnik.de and help test | 02:00 |
| Chili2 | which of these repositories do you personally recommend | 02:00 |
| pupnik | most of the personal repos only have a couple of programs | 02:01 |
| oPless | O_o dosbox | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif dosbox with new virtual keyboard | 02:02 |
| pupnik | if anybody knows what causes those horizontal white bars on the left side of the theme, i'd like to know | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | copying-over default themes didn't help | 02:08 |
| Chili2 | pupnik is there any one site that would be good for me to get up to speed on what can be done on the n770, like I said I am very new to the device | 02:12 |
| tso | i realy need to learn to read all those program descriptions on maemo.org/download | 02:13 |
| pupnik | garage.maemo.org, internettablettalk.com/forums | 02:13 |
| tso | found streamtuner, exactly what i was looking for... | 02:13 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki | 02:13 |
| pupnik | :) | 02:13 |
| pupnik | i love streamtuner too | 02:14 |
| Chili2 | thanks I'll give it all a read | 02:16 |
| * pupnik restores 'last known good' OS onto a free partition :) | 02:17 | |
| pupnik | zcat IT2006_2.2_Working.gz > /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 02:17 |
| pupnik | Chili2: if you work with the device plugged in, you might want to search the forums for increase screen blank timeouts | 02:18 |
| milhouse | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvCrSjpx9I - made me wince! | 02:20 |
| pupnik | what is it milhouse | 02:21 |
| milhouse | watch it - quite amazing | 02:21 |
| pupnik | ok, just because it's you... | 02:21 |
| milhouse | :) | 02:21 |
| milhouse | tell me if you're not impressed! | 02:21 |
| pupnik | oh yeah i was obsessing over that all yesterday | 02:22 |
| pupnik | it's currently the only video on my 770 | 02:22 |
| milhouse | i'm surprised he was alive after that let alone walked away... | 02:23 |
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| pupnik | he threw the first-ever 720 backside across that gap and nailed it | 02:26 |
| amr | do you know whats gay | 02:26 |
| amr | that fbreader doesnt read pdf | 02:26 |
| milhouse | isn't that what the PDF reader is for? | 02:26 |
| amr | all my ebooks are pdf but the inbuilt reader is atrocious | 02:26 |
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| ffoegboy | what is the best 8GB SD card to get for the n*)0 | 02:27 |
| tso | someone talked about pdf to html... | 02:27 |
| amr | oh, how? | 02:27 |
| oPless | isn't there another pdf reader? | 02:27 |
| amr | im trying it on the adobe website but its crashed or something | 02:28 |
| pupnik | poppler-utils - PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler) | 02:28 |
| ffoegboy | OPPS should read "what is the best 8GB SD card to get for then n800?" | 02:28 |
| pupnik | the results aren't very pretty with poppler, but the filesize goes down 10x and load times do too | 02:29 |
| amr | what does poppler-utils go? | 02:29 |
| amr | do* | 02:29 |
| tso | grumble. streamtuner went nuts :( | 02:29 |
| pupnik | poppler-utils provides pdftohtml pdftoppm pdftops pdftotext | 02:29 |
| amr | oh sweet | 02:29 |
| oPless | eugh | 02:29 |
| amr | is that a maemo thing? | 02:29 |
| amr | or something i do before transfer | 02:30 |
| oPless | it's part of ghostscript-pdf-tools | 02:30 |
| oPless | tho I'm not sure what the proper package name is | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | on my 770 i had poppler-utils in a repository but i usually convert on PC | 02:31 |
| amr | screw it, its 00:30, ill make do with the poor one built in | 02:31 |
| amr | night | 02:31 |
| tso | grr, this is getting silly :( | 02:31 |
| tso | why oh why is that net radio thing broken... | 02:32 |
| tso | talk about a interesting state nokia left the 770 in... | 02:32 |
| pupnik | tso it does sound like a problem that should have been solved | 02:36 |
| oPless | who wanted to know about bluetooth DUN with WM5 ? look here -> http://tabletblog.com/2006/02/howto-nokia-770-pairing-with-windows.html | 02:36 |
| tso | pupnik: sure do. the bugzilla is full of requests about it to | 02:37 |
| tso | the strange thing is that i have to reset the connection to get it back into working order, for the next 3 min or so... | 02:37 |
| tso | i wonder if it could be related to network quality... | 02:38 |
| tso | as i have surprisingly bad signal... | 02:38 |
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| pupnik | zuh: "No dsp decoding for vorbis unfortunately :/ (would be nice to get better theora output). Nokia (apparently) doesn't dare to support it officially, and writing dsp code has been attempted but so far nobody has real results as there's no good resources available on how..." | 02:46 |
| pupnik | "lardmanIt would be nice for Nokia to provide a header file so we could access the functions in the avs_kernel (at least some of them)" | 02:47 |
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| trevarthan | anyone here from the canola project? | 03:02 |
| trevarthan | I'm curious how you guys handle font rendering in Canola using SDL. | 03:02 |
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| pupnik | hah canola uses sdl? | 03:03 |
| * pupnik wonders why | 03:03 | |
| trevarthan | I guess they wanted to make it look pretty. | 03:05 |
| trevarthan | The new version will use EFL. | 03:06 |
| tso | ok, thats it. im officially confused. | 03:07 |
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| tso | after i set the data call timeout to 60 min the audio player do not appear to have any problems any more. but the radio applet still drops the feed after a short time... | 03:07 |
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| trevarthan | I'm a retard. I kept wondering why Kagu's SDL font rendering was sooooooo sloooooow. Yeah. It's not. Font object creation is slow. Geez. https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/301 | 03:38 |
| trevarthan | At least it's fixed now. | 03:38 |
| pupnik | sdl has fonts? :) | 03:43 |
| pupnik | ah pygame | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | lmarbles is totally the way to do SDL games | 03:54 |
| pupnik | you move the mouse offscreen with synergy and it auto-pauses | 03:55 |
| pupnik | the screen fades-in when you resume | 03:57 |
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| BladeRunner | pyst23x34 | 04:38 |
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| setite | hey all | 04:41 |
| setite | alright now i got irc workign right on windows | 04:42 |
| setite | now i can work on my n800 | 04:42 |
| setite | coolest device int he world btw.. nice wifi range.. perhaps nothing special but better than my psp | 04:42 |
| erstazi | setite, you can do *a lot* with your nokia | 04:43 |
| erstazi | setite, GPS, bluetooth, its linux so you can use xterm and ssh, VNC, etc etc | 04:43 |
| BladeRunner | what do you think about the origami : http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/umpc/default.mspx ? | 04:44 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, you know how I wanted to mess with scratchbox? well I want to port aireplay-ng | 04:44 |
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| pupnik | yes scratchbox is a good thing... http://mulliner.org/nokia770/ erstazi you saw this? | 04:48 |
| erstazi | pupnik, no, checking, for the 770 should I get Scratchbox Apophis? | 04:51 |
| setite | well all that works so far is wifi :) | 04:52 |
| setite | once i get my damn phone to do DUN im set | 04:52 |
| BladeRunner | hi i'm developing an gui irc client for maemo. somebody knows if already exists? the xchat site doesn't have the source, so i presume it's not finished | 04:52 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, xchat is available | 04:53 |
| frob | irc support in pidgin is quite decent | 04:53 |
| erstazi | for maemo | 04:53 |
| BladeRunner | where? | 04:53 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, I use xchat on my nokia all the time | 04:53 |
| setite | i have xchat runninf | 04:53 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, um... I don't remember honestly, somewhere on maemo | 04:53 |
| setite | on my n800 | 04:53 |
| setite | its nice | 04:53 |
| setite | i likes it, i like sex | 04:53 |
| erstazi | setite, I use it with my linux desktops as well | 04:53 |
| setite | i used to use xchat on windows | 04:54 |
| setite | but i like polaris.. its the colors.. they sooth me | 04:54 |
| setite | the colors of xchat make me angry | 04:54 |
| BladeRunner | fuck so i've lost one day.. and an msn client already exists? | 04:54 |
| setite | not sure why.. its subconcious | 04:54 |
| setite | i think there is something for all the main chat ... | 04:54 |
| setite | lemme see if i have an app that does msn | 04:55 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, do you have scratchbox installed? that makes it a lot easier | 04:55 |
| setite | what is scratchbox | 04:55 |
| _Monkey | scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together | 04:55 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, pupnik has a list of ports needed to be done | 04:55 |
| setite | i think i need that | 04:55 |
| BladeRunner | yes | 04:55 |
| setite | my gaim is brokeshit i think | 04:56 |
| setite | nothing is hsowing up on the protocol list | 04:56 |
| erstazi | setite, its for packaging deb ports for the ARM arch which the nokia tablets use | 04:56 |
| BladeRunner | yeah somebody told me that xchat was broken too | 04:56 |
| BladeRunner | but i think it's not the case | 04:56 |
| setite | and the protocol options tab shows nothing | 04:56 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, I don't think so | 04:56 |
| setite | xchat works swee5t | 04:56 |
| Mikho | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangover | 04:56 |
| erstazi | Mikho, heh | 04:56 |
| Mikho | urrgh | 04:56 |
| setite | i set up my accounts and even got it to autoconnect and autojoin to some networks/chans whenever i open it | 04:56 |
| setite | i really dont want to buy a new phone or install some damned script everytime i want net | 04:58 |
| frob | setite: individuals protocols for pidgin (gaim) are installed seperately | 04:58 |
| BladeRunner | so there is no msn client working on maemo right now? | 05:00 |
| BladeRunner | without bugs | 05:00 |
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| erstazi | BladeRunner, I thought gaim had a protocol for msn | 05:02 |
| erstazi | maemo-gaim-protocol-msn | 05:03 |
| oPless | is there a decent SIP client for the 770 ? | 05:03 |
| BladeRunner | it has but i think gaim has bug on maemo | 05:03 |
| oPless | gaim has a proper sip client? | 05:04 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, I haven't noticed | 05:04 |
| oPless | oh, msn - haha sorry | 05:04 |
| erstazi | I got to go | 05:05 |
| erstazi | BladeRunner, I am going to be doing some scratchbox stuff when I get back, so hopefully you will be on and we can attack it together | 05:06 |
| erstazi | ttyl | 05:06 |
| setite | frob that sucks | 05:07 |
| BladeRunner | ok | 05:07 |
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| setite | what is this scratchbox | 05:16 |
| BladeRunner | i think nokia is getting behind with the microsoft origami project | 05:17 |
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| setite | omg i might cry | 05:19 |
| setite | i got it working | 05:19 |
| setite | this is odd | 05:21 |
| setite | ok net is working | 05:21 |
| setite | thought the phone isnt showing any data connection | 05:21 |
| setite | im gonna run a speed test | 05:22 |
| setite | haha i think the pohone crashed | 05:22 |
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| setite | hello N800 | 05:23 |
| oPless | :) | 05:24 |
| N800 | hello | 05:24 |
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| setite | i hopw i get broadband speeds | 05:24 |
| setite | if so ill be in heaven | 05:25 |
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| setite | i just need a non dialup speed | 05:25 |
| setite | ok wtf it crashed the phone twice | 05:26 |
| setite | this is lame | 05:26 |
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| setite | imma try to connect the phone ot the net before running th eapp | 05:26 |
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| setite | damnit this is not working right | 05:30 |
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| unique311 | the browser in maemo, does javascript? | 05:30 |
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| oPless | yes | 05:31 |
| oPless | its opera | 05:31 |
| unique311 | thanks. | 05:31 |
| setite | ok i see there is a problem with discovery | 05:32 |
| unique311 | files with the extension .js are javascript files right.. | 05:32 |
| oPless | ja | 05:32 |
| setite | the phone queries a service discovery and the n800 fails to answer | 05:32 |
| setite | so i gotta get root.. blech | 05:32 |
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| bldewolf | anyone know is wrong when "sbrsh: Can't get user information about uid 1000" pops up when trying to do stuff with sbrsh? | 05:33 |
| setite | maemo wiki says it works with my phone with a softmodem app | 05:34 |
| oPless | whats sbrsh? | 05:36 |
| bldewolf | oh, I figured it out. Needed to install 'etc' files | 05:36 |
| bldewolf | scratchbox remote shell | 05:36 |
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| oPless | ah | 05:37 |
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| oPless | is there a build I can use on a ppc box? | 05:37 |
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| bldewolf | no idea. Just started toying with it a few days ago | 05:38 |
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| oPless | is there a source distro of it ? | 05:38 |
| pupnik | it takes a while to understand what scratchbox is | 05:39 |
| oPless | it's a cross compilation + testing kit afaic tell | 05:42 |
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| oPless | hmm it's for debian? | 05:44 |
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| pupnik | there are debian packages of it | 05:46 |
| oPless | heh, not a chance for an osx toolchain :) | 05:49 |
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| unique311 | http://cache.gizmodo.com/archives/images/sony_psp_keyboard1.jpg | 06:02 |
| unique311 | wonder how that works | 06:02 |
| unique311 | http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/logic_3_psp_keyboard_03030640/ more suitable for the 770 | 06:04 |
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| NeoStrider_IM | hello | 06:10 |
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| setite | is there a way to get PAN working on the nokia | 06:16 |
| setite | without running a script every single time | 06:16 |
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| unique311 | http://users.skynet.be/bk258512/idiot_test.swf | 06:25 |
| qnr | wee, I made it to brilliant... Iz iz so martsz! | 06:29 |
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| setite | damnit im so close | 06:41 |
| setite | i foudn a softmodem app | 06:41 |
| setite | and it works for like 2 minutes then the phone locks up | 06:41 |
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| pupnik_ | mmm there are some good RPGs (2D) for psx | 06:54 |
| pupnik_ | [6~ | 06:54 |
| pupnik_ | 23 | 06:54 |
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| setite | lalalaa | 07:15 |
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| setite | ok so im gonna install a new custom rom that is supposed ot have BT dun working by default and stably.. so hopefully it works | 07:15 |
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| Luria | anyone have rtl hebrew or arabic working in either browser? | 07:17 |
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| Luria | yeah, didnt think so | 07:19 |
| setite | haha | 07:19 |
| pupnik_ | Herbs Obtained! | 07:25 |
| NeoStrider | hey pupnik_ | 07:26 |
| _Monkey | i guess pupnik_ is right, you can use a proxy to get rid of the error messages | 07:26 |
| pupnik_ | heh hihi | 07:26 |
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| pupnik_ | what's up NeoStrider | 07:29 |
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| BladeRunner | . | 07:32 |
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| Luria | sigh | 07:36 |
| Luria | off to brick my n800 | 07:36 |
| setite | dont brick it | 07:37 |
| setite | installing canola | 07:37 |
| setite | its either not working or taking forever | 07:38 |
| Luria | possibly both | 07:38 |
| setite | nah thats no fun.. | 07:38 |
| setite | i though when it asked where to go it was done | 07:38 |
| Luria | well, they arent exclusive. | 07:38 |
| setite | but after it asked i still have 25% of tbar left | 07:38 |
| setite | ok it finished.. final verdict.. slow as fuck install | 07:38 |
| setite | i think my n800 half crashed | 07:39 |
| setite | the taskbar on the left is gone | 07:39 |
| Luria | it happens | 07:39 |
| setite | how do i unhappen it... | 07:40 |
| Luria | restart | 07:40 |
| setite | omfg i turned off an on and its tripping | 07:40 |
| setite | now the spot is still blank and th bar is not half an inch over | 07:40 |
| setite | brrr | 07:40 |
| setite | how do i restart | 07:40 |
| Luria | i usually use the shell | 07:41 |
| setite | well im not cool enough for that | 07:41 |
| Luria | second option is shut off on the power button menu | 07:41 |
| Luria | third is to yank the battery | 07:41 |
| setite | is that the same and pressing and holding the power button | 07:41 |
| setite | oh no.. nvm | 07:41 |
| setite | i see the difference now | 07:41 |
| setite | the screen on the nokia is beautiful btw | 07:42 |
| NeoStrider | so pupnik_ ,how is the games going on? | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | (answering to your question...im working on the game engine scripting system...the LISP thingy) | 07:44 |
| pupnik_ | cool | 07:44 |
| pupnik_ | i'm playing an RPG right now | 07:45 |
| setite | omfg full bt dun finally | 07:45 |
| setite | i love you helmi | 07:45 |
| setite | now i just need a screen protector and a stowaway and im in heaven | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | FLife Vessel obtained! | 07:46 |
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| setite | speakeasy speedtest gave me 409kb/s down... 89kb/s up... awesome | 07:47 |
| setite | haha i can actually torrent with this little devil :) | 07:48 |
| setite | better go get some more batteries for it | 07:48 |
| pupnik_ | that's about my max dl also | 07:48 |
| setite | me happy man | 07:48 |
| setite | i was scared bt tethering would be slower | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | the torrent clients are pretty heavy cpuewise | 07:49 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, even bittorrent? | 07:49 |
| setite | i would only use it to get new ebooks | 07:49 |
| setite | which will be the primary or secondary use of my nokia | 07:49 |
| setite | sad, eh | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | if you find out other ways to lighten-up ebooks let us know | 07:53 |
| setite | lighten up? | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | yes they are heavy | 07:53 |
| setite | interesting | 07:54 |
| setite | what best kind of memory card to get | 07:54 |
| pupnik_ | big | 07:54 |
| setite | sd, mini, mmc? | 07:54 |
| setite | are the 8gigs worth it? | 07:54 |
| pupnik_ | what nokia tablet do you have | 07:55 |
| setite | n800 | 07:55 |
| pupnik_ | then some kind of sd | 07:55 |
| pupnik_ | Received the Book of Elna! | 07:56 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, well, I now realize what I have to do to get aircrack to work but at the moment, I have to put that aside | 07:59 |
| erstazi | aireplay-ng, last I checked, the deb doesn't work on my 770 OS2006, and I think aireplay-ng is only for OS2007 | 07:59 |
| erstazi | I could be wrong on that though /: | 08:00 |
| pupnik_ | not sure what muliner has compiled | 08:00 |
| pupnik_ | but compile it yourself - console tools are easy | 08:00 |
| erstazi | aircrack-ptw works by using special .cap files as input where aireplay-ng outputes those .cap files | 08:01 |
| erstazi | by injecting arp packets | 08:01 |
| wolloper | what theres wep cracking tools for the n770? | 08:01 |
| erstazi | wolloper, yes | 08:01 |
| wolloper | :/ | 08:01 |
| wolloper | where i get \o/ | 08:01 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, I might fire up scratchbox tonight | 08:01 |
| erstazi | wolloper, do you know about aircrack-ng suite? | 08:01 |
| wolloper | nope | 08:02 |
| erstazi | ok | 08:02 |
| wolloper | do tell | 08:02 |
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| erstazi | aireplay-ng is part of the aircrack-ng suite, it injects arp packets and outputs .cap files to aircrack-ptw (which is available for 770) | 08:02 |
| erstazi | then you can bypass a WEP key | 08:03 |
| wolloper | kool | 08:03 |
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| wolloper | any like wireless information tools | 08:03 |
| erstazi | the issue is: the deb for aireplay-ng didn't install because of compatibility, but I will verify that again | 08:03 |
| erstazi | wolloper, tons | 08:03 |
| wolloper | im just new with me n770 atm | 08:04 |
| erstazi | wolloper, do you know how to edit sources.list? | 08:04 |
| wolloper | yeah | 08:04 |
| erstazi | if not, I can give you the walk through | 08:04 |
| wolloper | yeah i do | 08:04 |
| erstazi | do you have xterm (advanced) installed? | 08:04 |
| wolloper | i dont think so | 08:04 |
| erstazi | openssh (prefered by me) or dropbear installed? | 08:04 |
| wolloper | none of them atm | 08:04 |
| erstazi | really, what you need is openssh | 08:04 |
| erstazi | xterm (advanced) is for you to use on your nokia770 | 08:05 |
| erstazi | you can use that later | 08:05 |
| wolloper | kk | 08:05 |
| erstazi | go to http://maemo.org and search for openssh | 08:05 |
| wolloper | yeah | 08:05 |
| wolloper | got that in my sourcers | 08:05 |
| erstazi | you will see application catalog, select that | 08:05 |
| wolloper | yeah | 08:05 |
| wolloper | i have it in there | 08:05 |
| wolloper | and can see openssh | 08:05 |
| wolloper | its late here atm | 08:06 |
| wolloper | just need a list of what i need | 08:06 |
| erstazi | then locate the ip address for your nokia, are you using linux or windows on your pc? | 08:06 |
| erstazi | wolloper, depends on what you want to do (: | 08:06 |
| wolloper | true | 08:06 |
| wolloper | windows | 08:06 |
| _Monkey | well, windows is a flashy MS-DOS shell | 08:06 |
| erstazi | my list of items are completely different than say pupnik_'s | 08:06 |
| wolloper | i know the ip of my nokia | 08:06 |
| erstazi | wolloper, download PuTTy | 08:06 |
| wolloper | i k | 08:06 |
| erstazi | wolloper, you will need it | 08:06 |
| wolloper | i know how to use putty | 08:06 |
| wolloper | just a list of stuff plz | 08:06 |
| erstazi | wolloper, sorry, just going off the bases of a complete new user, I can't expect you to know | 08:07 |
| erstazi | wolloper, let me give you a link to my sources.list: http://c-wd.net/sources.list | 08:07 |
| wolloper | k | 08:07 |
| erstazi | get xterm (advanced only, not the other one) | 08:07 |
| erstazi | I suggest maemopad (not plus, its slower and bloated and with maemopad you can edit more) | 08:08 |
| erstazi | install becomeroot | 08:08 |
| erstazi | openssh | 08:08 |
| _Monkey | openssh is the one I've used | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | someone should teach monkey the urls / repos for openssh | 08:09 |
| erstazi | for networking stuff: iphome, kismet, samba, smbbrowser, smbclient (am I missing more smb stuff pupnik_?) | 08:09 |
| erstazi | also install wget, nmap (forgot that one) | 08:10 |
| erstazi | wolloper, what irc client do you prefer? | 08:10 |
| pupnik_ | yeah samba would be very useful | 08:10 |
| wolloper | xchat | 08:10 |
| erstazi | wolloper, good, install maemo-xchat | 08:10 |
| wolloper | i have | 08:10 |
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| erstazi | ok good | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | _Monkey: xchat is a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ | 08:11 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. | 08:11 |
| erstazi | xchat? | 08:11 |
| _Monkey | somebody said xchat was a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ | 08:11 |
| erstazi | ok | 08:11 |
| erstazi | um... links or links2, pupnik_ has a nice solution for links2 | 08:11 |
| erstazi | just incase opera starts acting up | 08:12 |
| erstazi | which it does | 08:12 |
| erstazi | you can install minimo but I have not installed it | 08:12 |
| DaniloCesar | Who is better: Xchat os Pidgin (with irc plugin)? | 08:12 |
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| DaniloCesar | * or Pidgin | 08:12 |
| wolloper | tbh | 08:12 |
| pupnik_ | fixed up .debs for links2 and dependencies - if you have problems with it let me know | 08:12 |
| wolloper | i want msn running fine on it | 08:12 |
| erstazi | DaniloCesar, xchat | 08:12 |
| wolloper | that pidgin is SHIT | 08:12 |
| DaniloCesar | lol... Pidgin rules with jabber and MSN | 08:12 |
| erstazi | DaniloCesar, pidgin opens a new window for every response from freenode and nickserv and chanserv | 08:13 |
| erstazi | very annoying | 08:13 |
| DaniloCesar | nhaca | 08:13 |
| pupnik_ | how about voice recognition and a voice-driven ui? :) | 08:13 |
| DaniloCesar | I did'nt knew it | 08:13 |
| pupnik_ | and speech-to-text for chat and irc? | 08:13 |
| erstazi | wolloper, I suggest getting gizmo or something simular, because its wonderful to just use wifi and call someone | 08:13 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, that would be nice, but I am very sure it would be a resource hog | 08:14 |
| DaniloCesar | speech-to-text works????? | 08:14 |
| erstazi | how hard would it to take a current FOSS project and port that? | 08:14 |
| erstazi | or have you been busy without me knowing pupnik_?? | 08:14 |
| pupnik_ | i am just saying it'd be fun | 08:14 |
| DaniloCesar | where can I found a S2T software? | 08:15 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, well, I would be willing to test it and help package it | 08:15 |
| wolloper | erstazi | 08:15 |
| _Monkey | erstazi is, like, rusty on porting to a different arch | 08:15 |
| wolloper | i dont wana call | 08:15 |
| wolloper | i wana use msn | 08:15 |
| wolloper | ie | 08:15 |
| wolloper | msgs | 08:15 |
| erstazi | DaniloCesar, there isn't any for it | 08:15 |
| erstazi | wolloper, you can, gaim | 08:15 |
| erstazi | wolloper, install maemo-gaim then install the protocol you want | 08:15 |
| erstazi | for the protocol you want it would be: maemo-gaim-protocol-msn | 08:16 |
| erstazi | if you like last.fm, get maemoscrobbler | 08:16 |
| erstazi | you can also install nano for using in xterm (advanced) | 08:17 |
| erstazi | better get ncurses-base also | 08:17 |
| erstazi | I should write something up about all this | 08:17 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, how does _Monkey store its data? | 08:17 |
| unique311 | pupnik_, speech to text irc, there is a client...i use to use it, but the only problem is that not many use it. | 08:20 |
| unique311 | when i can remember the name i'll give you a shoult | 08:20 |
| erstazi | unique311, I am going to find a foss solutin, there are ways to edit the input method | 08:21 |
| erstazi | and just add that to the xml file | 08:21 |
| erstazi | there really should be a #maemo-dev or something | 08:22 |
| pupnik_ | for serious questions there is a mailing list | 08:23 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, well I mean for development, it would spur it more | 08:24 |
| erstazi | Sphinx-4 is open source but uses java | 08:26 |
| erstazi | so I think that would be an issue | 08:26 |
| unique311 | anybody ever use chatzilla as an irc client..? | 08:29 |
| unique311 | the firefox extension | 08:29 |
| erstazi | unique311, yes | 08:30 |
| erstazi | I have used it for a few days, wasn't impressed | 08:31 |
| erstazi | you can get audicity on a n770 | 08:33 |
| pupnik_ | i think audacity has stopped being horrible | 08:36 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, well, I get bug reports all the time on it | 08:36 |
| erstazi | every day, I get at least 10 bugs emailed to me about *something* relating to audacity | 08:37 |
| erstazi | s/audicity/audacity | 08:37 |
| pupnik_ | you made it? | 08:37 |
| erstazi | heck no | 08:37 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 08:37 |
| erstazi | I just help with bugs | 08:37 |
| pupnik_ | good to hear | 08:37 |
| erstazi | I don't have time to develop an app like that | 08:38 |
| pupnik_ | i hated the UI at first | 08:38 |
| erstazi | now, I would like to but time is hard to manage anymore haha | 08:38 |
| pupnik_ | i spent years using sound forge, so a change in ui is very difficult for me personally | 08:38 |
| erstazi | yeah I can understand that | 08:39 |
| erstazi | that would be like changing favorite editors | 08:39 |
| NeoStrider | im done for today | 08:41 |
| pupnik_ | ok cu | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | got my lispy on step further | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | as much as the angstron wiki | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | g'night fellows | 08:42 |
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| erstazi | NeoStrider, good night (: | 08:42 |
| unique311 | peace | 08:42 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, what is flite? doesn't that do speech to text? | 08:43 |
| pupnik_ | text to speech | 08:43 |
| erstazi | oh poo | 08:43 |
| erstazi | I just read that backwards | 08:43 |
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| BladeRunner | . | 08:57 |
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| erstazi | ok had to reboot and forgot to start irc haha | 09:05 |
| pupnik_ | :)~ | 09:09 |
| erstazi | ok, now focusing on porting | 09:09 |
| setite | ok it is working for real now | 09:10 |
| setite | over an hour and the phone hasnt crashed | 09:10 |
| setite | the update held.. so now i can work on squeezing the fun functionality out of the n800 instead of basics | 09:10 |
| setite | im gonna get tversity so i can stream sirius | 09:10 |
| setite | ordered a 4gb sdhc on ebay | 09:11 |
| setite | that should be good for holding tv episodes | 09:11 |
| setite | is divx/xvid confirmed? | 09:11 |
| setite | i guess ill try canola | 09:11 |
| setite | are there screen protectors made for the n800 | 09:13 |
| setite | i mean the little tab is annoying me | 09:13 |
| setite | and the screen is too pretty to not have a cover | 09:13 |
| setite | i cant even see the touchscreen grid on it | 09:14 |
| setite | thats nuts | 09:14 |
| setite | anyoen alive? | 09:17 |
| erstazi | setite, yeah but I need to reboot, brb | 09:17 |
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| setite | bah | 09:17 |
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| erstazi | hello | 09:28 |
| _Monkey | que tal, erstazi | 09:28 |
| pupnik_ | i hear the n800 screen is even better than the 770 | 09:33 |
| pupnik_ | that's hard to believe :) | 09:33 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, I don't feel I am missing much, except the sd flash memory ): | 09:37 |
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| pupnik_ | yes, the two slots on the n800 surprised me.. | 09:39 |
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| erstazi | well, pupnik_ I can see why they did that, its lacking a harddrive so they had to compensate it | 09:40 |
| erstazi | personally, I am satisfied with rs-mmc's prices compared to the price of SD memory | 09:40 |
| pupnik_ | i think i paid 80 euro for 2 GB | 09:41 |
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| MaemoUS | .. | 09:42 |
| erstazi | hi MaemoUS | 09:42 |
| pupnik_ | also the durability... i love how hard the plastic is on the 770, plus the strong aluminum case | 09:42 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, my 770 has taken a beaten so far | 09:43 |
| erstazi | I have been worried about the screen a few times but nothing is wrong with it | 09:43 |
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| erstazi | /: | 09:45 |
| erstazi | well, you type hi, they leave | 09:45 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 09:47 |
| pupnik_ | do you have a debian based pc? | 09:48 |
| erstazi | yes | 09:49 |
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| erstazi | so does my wife and the kids use DSL | 09:49 |
| pupnik_ | cool | 09:50 |
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| erstazi | pupnik_, yourself? | 09:51 |
| * pupnik_ is *cough* testing playstation emulators | 09:51 | |
| erstazi | heh | 09:51 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, debian has gone a long way, and honestly, I didn't know it was around when slackware was, because I would have used it then | 09:52 |
| pupnik_ | yea i started with slackware redhat back in the 90s, played with suse and gentoo then discovered kanotix community back in 2003 or so | 09:52 |
| ffoegboy | Can anyone tell me what the best 8GB SHDC card is for the n800? | 09:52 |
| pupnik_ | since then it's been debian sid | 09:52 |
| pupnik_ | anyway nice to hear you have debian experience erstazi - makes porting stuff easier | 09:53 |
| pupnik_ | ffoegboy: no idea | 09:53 |
| ffoegboy | pupnik_, maybe they are all the same anyway? | 09:53 |
| pupnik_ | i think not - search internettablettalk.com forums - maybe there are problem reports | 09:54 |
| erstazi | ffoegboy, don't let them know you think that, then they will have to come up with another reason ones are more expensive than the others (: | 09:54 |
| erstazi | I use CentOS on my servers, except the one contract I am on, they wanted ubuntu and they got what they wanted | 09:55 |
| pupnik_ | tee hee | 09:56 |
| ffoegboy | erstazi, ahmen to that LOL | 09:56 |
| erstazi | well, sometimes I do say, "I do not suggest this (OS|DIstro)" | 09:57 |
| erstazi | but its rare | 09:57 |
| erstazi | its usually when they say that they want IIS running | 09:57 |
| erstazi | that I freeze up and give the deep stare | 09:57 |
| pupnik_ | i hate how microsoft is 'infecting' universities | 09:58 |
| pupnik_ | oh well | 09:58 |
| erstazi | honestly, I see a big push for open source anymore, but microsoft offers free discs to students | 09:59 |
| pupnik_ | if your kids like jump-n-run games they might like Secret Maryo Chronicles (new 1.0 just hit debian sid) | 09:59 |
| erstazi | nice | 10:00 |
| erstazi | I will have to check that deb out | 10:00 |
| pupnik_ | needs opengl (any card will do) | 10:01 |
| erstazi | sadly, they just like myspace and those pathetic sites | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 10:01 |
| erstazi | I might block those sites | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | tyrant! | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 10:01 |
| erstazi | haha | 10:01 |
| erstazi | seriously, too much drama these kids are having | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | drama? myspace? | 10:01 |
| erstazi | yes, these kids argue with each other on myspace | 10:02 |
| pupnik_ | too much of anything is bad i guess... | 10:02 |
| erstazi | of course | 10:02 |
| erstazi | I was only allowed 2 hours on the pc when I was their age | 10:02 |
| erstazi | wait, it was less than that | 10:03 |
| pupnik_ | btw re: "too much of something" - everyone on the internet should read E.M. Forster's 1904 short story 'The Machine Stops' which predicted the internet | 10:03 |
| pupnik_ | and the social effects | 10:03 |
| erstazi | during when school was in session, it was an hour | 10:03 |
| erstazi | I bet that is on ebook | 10:03 |
| pupnik_ | heh.. nice | 10:03 |
| pupnik_ | it's online in html form | 10:03 |
| pupnik_ | it's pretty uncanny - shortly after the introduction of electricity someone evisions a society and things like myspace | 10:04 |
| pupnik_ | s/and/with/ | 10:04 |
| infobot | pupnik_ meant: it's pretty uncanny - shortly after the introduction of electricity someone evisions a society with things like myspace | 10:04 |
| erstazi | http://www.plexus.org/forster/index.html | 10:04 |
| Chiliblue | erstazi what was the repository you mentioned? | 10:04 |
| erstazi | Chiliblue, um, which one? http://c-wd.net/sources.list ? | 10:05 |
| Chiliblue | so do I use the allication installing app and add that to this or just edit the sources.list on the n770 in bash | 10:06 |
| erstazi | I would like to thank Nokia for shipping two styli with my nokia, I use the one as a reason to quit smoking | 10:07 |
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| Chiliblue | oh erstazi I ended up with beardrop not openssh....could find the compatible version of openssh for some reason | 10:07 |
| erstazi | Chiliblue, first, thats only for the 770, second, I would ssh to your nokia, then copy and paste it into your sources.list | 10:07 |
| Chiliblue | s/could/couldm't | 10:08 |
| erstazi | Chiliblue, osso-openssh | 10:08 |
| pupnik_ | heh /me will try the stylus in mouth trick also | 10:08 |
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| erstazi | pupnik_, well, I am a hypocrite, I am smoking right now | 10:08 |
| pupnik_ | me too | 10:08 |
| erstazi | but it does help curve the cravings, so does chantix (sp) | 10:08 |
| Chiliblue | good point, I only installed the client not the server in any case | 10:08 |
| pupnik_ | american spirit organic tobacco though - no additives | 10:09 |
| erstazi | its a newer drug out there that you smoke while you are on it, and it basically takes away the physical cravings of nicotine | 10:09 |
| pupnik_ | yes i read of it | 10:09 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, I smoke Pall Malls | 10:09 |
| erstazi | Chiliblue, personally, I find it easier to ssh sometimes | 10:10 |
| erstazi | I do, when I am on the road, use the virtual keyboard | 10:10 |
| erstazi | maybe soon I will buy one of the compatible bluetooth keyboards but no rush | 10:11 |
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| erstazi | hi DempaRose | 10:11 |
| erstazi | Chili, you got a ghost? | 10:11 |
| DempaRose | hi all! Is somebody else having problems with ncursses-bin beeing broken? | 10:11 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, which OS/maemo do you have | 10:11 |
| Chili | erstazi, what I have is the worst DSL line in the world | 10:12 |
| DempaRose | os2007, the newest version | 10:12 |
| erstazi | Chili, I can think of worse haha | 10:12 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, n800? | 10:12 |
| DempaRose | yes | 10:12 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, as opposed to 770 with os2007 (just making sure) | 10:13 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, with OS2007, I am not sure about ncurses-bin being broken, are you sure you got the right one for your OS? | 10:13 |
| DempaRose | no, n800 with os2007 | 10:13 |
| DempaRose | ncurses-bin 5.5-1mh2 is the version | 10:14 |
| erstazi | ok | 10:14 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, are you trying to install it? | 10:14 |
| DempaRose | it's installed but broken | 10:15 |
| erstazi | ah | 10:16 |
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| DempaRose | update available but refuses to install due to breakage with the installed version | 10:16 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, you might want to reinstall it | 10:17 |
| DempaRose | trying to uninstall it just gives me an error | 10:19 |
| erstazi | what does it say? | 10:19 |
| erstazi | seems like you need to reconfigure the package | 10:20 |
| DempaRose | “could not remove package ncurses-bin“ | 10:20 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, do you have xterm? | 10:21 |
| DempaRose | sure | 10:21 |
| erstazi | hold a sec | 10:22 |
| DempaRose | apt-get remove ncurses-bin tells me too reinstall before uninstalling | 10:23 |
| erstazi | you might need ncurses-base | 10:23 |
| erstazi | try apt-get install ncurses-base | 10:23 |
| suma | which Media Streamer in linux is good for nokia 770 ? | 10:26 |
| DempaRose | fails, mv: /usr/bin/clear no such file or dir | 10:26 |
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| erstazi | suma, the one in the repos or maemo (same thing) are good | 10:27 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, odd | 10:27 |
| erstazi | DempaRose, check on maemo.org for ncurses-base | 10:27 |
| erstazi | I think that might be your problem | 10:27 |
| erstazi | but I could be wrong | 10:27 |
| suma | erstazi: Media Streamer Server to serve files to nokia 770 ! | 10:27 |
| DempaRose | ok, hold on | 10:27 |
| erstazi | suma, haha sorry, I would use slimserver (I use that) or xmms(2)d server | 10:28 |
| erstazi | slimserver is nice though (: | 10:28 |
| erstazi | hi saerdnaer | 10:29 |
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| suma | i see, i have gmediastreamer but for somereason it did not work | 10:30 |
| suma | i will check it out | 10:30 |
| DempaRose | no ncurses-base at maemo.org when I search :s | 10:31 |
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| erstazi | ok, I am going to read The Machine Stops | 10:32 |
| erstazi | night all | 10:32 |
| pupnik_ | :) cool - cu | 10:34 |
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| erstazi | oh christ, its on audio as well, I can stream the book being read to me | 10:38 |
| erstazi | saves my eye sight! | 10:38 |
| erstazi | ok good night | 10:38 |
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| setite | anyone here | 10:43 |
| setite | im curious if anyone has experience using two routers | 10:44 |
| setite | i wanna use my second router as a wireless AP>. but im trying to see if i can get it to connect to the same home network as my wired computers... without wiring them to the same router | 10:44 |
| bldewolf | in what way? | 10:44 |
| setite | i had it set up in AP mode | 10:45 |
| pupnik_ | use the router's LAN port | 10:45 |
| setite | seemed to be working but then it stopped | 10:45 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 10:45 |
| bldewolf | I have a wireless router setup like that, kind of. Turn off DHCP and plug it in to everything else through a LAN port | 10:45 |
| setite | well if i dont set it to AP the second router goes and plays in the corner by itself | 10:45 |
| setite | ok... problem now is i think i changed its webadmin page and now i cant get into its settings... stupid me | 10:46 |
| setite | im gonna have to hold the reset button longer | 10:46 |
| bldewolf | the other way is to plug in the wan port and let it play like it's on its own network, which works if you just want to get out to the internet | 10:46 |
| Dibblah | On a more Maemo theme, has anyone made a set of udev rules for external keyboards, etc on the N770? | 10:46 |
| setite | nah bldewolf thats no good.. i need my n800 to see my other home media | 10:46 |
| bldewolf | yeah, I figured | 10:46 |
| Dibblah | maemo-gtk-im-switch, etc... | 10:46 |
| Dibblah | Haven't figured out udev yet :(( | 10:46 |
| bldewolf | setite, I have my wireless router as 192.168.1.2 and my main one is 192.168.1.1, so I can still get to the config page. Then adjust the DHCP range on your main router to exclude that IP and you're set | 10:49 |
| setite | ok i got it to reset now i can work on making sure the settings are right | 10:49 |
| setite | so disable dhcp | 10:49 |
| bldewolf | yeah, your main one does DHCP right? two dhcp servers tends to cause chaos | 10:50 |
| setite | yea it does | 10:50 |
| setite | imma turn on access point mode | 10:50 |
| setite | its odd because canola worked sorta for a minute | 10:54 |
| setite | it saw the orb service that is on my home network | 10:54 |
| setite | so i installed tversity.. trying to figure ou thow it works | 10:54 |
| pupnik_ | that lets you switch channels and transcode live video ? | 10:55 |
| setite | something like that | 10:57 |
| setite | it will transcode the media on my system | 10:57 |
| setite | not sure its actual tv capabilities | 10:57 |
| setite | how many of you utilize a dyndns for a home server | 10:57 |
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| setite | they sport automatic configuration for the n800 | 11:00 |
| setite | im tryign to use dyndns to set up a simple way to access my media | 11:02 |
| setite | i have the dyndns working | 11:02 |
| setite | btut whenever i access it all i get is the webadmin page for my router | 11:03 |
| pupnik | do you have other wlan devices like a laptop or computer with wlan? | 11:04 |
| setite | i should.. having a helluva time finding my usb wifi stick | 11:04 |
| setite | but right now im working on being able to access from anywhere.. ive abandoned the home network thing when i realized i didnt need it | 11:05 |
| pupnik | i'm not sure i understand 'dyndns' | 11:05 |
| pupnik | you mean dhcp? | 11:05 |
| setite | tversity should give me a nice gui on the web... so if i point it to the right url tversity's gui should show up | 11:05 |
| setite | no dyndns.. for accessing a pc from anywhere.. i basically made a url for my pc | 11:06 |
| pupnik | oh i get it | 11:06 |
| setite | like david.is-a-geek.com and my router has the credentials and will update the ip associated with that whenever it changes | 11:06 |
| pupnik | it can be hard to test from inside your network | 11:07 |
| setite | i think i may take the credentials off the router and update dyndns from an actual software app.. i dont need to access my router admin from a remote location... it would be nice to do if my router could be restarted from there as it often stays running but stops routing | 11:07 |
| setite | well it works | 11:08 |
| setite | i can access my router's admin page from any pc | 11:08 |
| setite | i tried it tethered to my cellphones data | 11:08 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 11:08 |
| setite | but i cant figure out how to access my webserver from outside the network | 11:09 |
| setite | so thats a problem | 11:09 |
| rwhitby | setite: what type of router is it? | 11:09 |
| rwhitby | if you can run openwrt on it, then you're set. | 11:09 |
| pupnik | did you set up a rule to forward port 80 to an internal pc? | 11:09 |
| setite | i should be able to access my media two ways right now.. through tversity's gui which will transcode for me.. and through an apache webserver where i can actually download the media | 11:09 |
| setite | yea from what ive read openwrt wont work | 11:10 |
| setite | its a linksys befsr41v3 | 11:10 |
| rwhitby | what router is it | 11:10 |
| rwhitby | (cause what people read is usually wrong) | 11:10 |
| rwhitby | ok, you've probably read right for that one :-) | 11:10 |
| setite | i think there was something about my model not having enough ram.. or there was more than one model and the way of determining if it was the right one was too tedious and i said phuck it | 11:10 |
| setite | this si not really a routing issue.. at least i dont think so | 11:11 |
| rwhitby | step one in buying a router is to make sure there is open source replacement firmware for it ;-) | 11:11 |
| setite | well this router was bought like 5 or more years ago :) | 11:11 |
| setite | wasnt thinking about openwrt then | 11:11 |
| rwhitby | well, if it could run openwrt, then you could one of the built in dyndns agents, and use the x-wrt gui to do all your firewalling and port forwarding in a user friendly manner | 11:11 |
| suma | can someone suggest Media Streamer Server to serve files to nokia 770 ? | 11:12 |
| setite | ok well removing the credentials didnt chagne anything | 11:12 |
| setite | this is what its going to do.. so i need to find a way to perhaps put my webserver on the outside | 11:13 |
| setite | im scared of DMZ though | 11:13 |
| * pupnik is still too happy to have linux on a pda | 11:14 | |
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| pupnik | suma, i don't know. i set up a shared directory on pc and play the media that way | 11:15 |
| setite | ok i read wrong | 11:16 |
| setite | it works through canola | 11:16 |
| setite | so lemme open canola | 11:16 |
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| setite | hey pupnik can you help me with canola | 11:22 |
| setite | i have no idea how to use it | 11:22 |
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| pupnik | me neither | 11:23 |
| * timelyx cries | 11:25 | |
| timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1756 | 11:25 |
| timelyx | what am i supposed to say to this guy? | 11:25 |
| setite | tell him to piss off :) | 11:27 |
| melmoth | ask him how to reproduce the problem | 11:27 |
| setite | man i am at a loss for why my maemo is on crack... | 11:27 |
| setite | ask him to buy you a blueberry bagel with philadelphia cream cheese.. lots of creem chees | 11:29 |
| setite | cream cheese* | 11:29 |
| setite | ok my canola is definitely acting up now | 11:32 |
| setite | when i go to view shared video or audio.. the loagind circle never stops turning and nothing shows up | 11:32 |
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| suma | pupnik: you need samba client to access those ones right ? | 11:33 |
| pupnik | samba or nfs | 11:33 |
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| setite | i liek nfs | 11:37 |
| setite | but its evil | 11:37 |
| setite | its not made for windozers like m | 11:37 |
| setite | i mean im not an idiot by a long shot.. despite how stupid i seem on here.. most of my questions are more of me thinking out loud than asking... | 11:37 |
| setite | but nfs proved to be a pain in my ass to set up without a step by step guide | 11:38 |
| pupnik | both works | 11:38 |
| setite | nfs is so much better | 11:39 |
| setite | streams HD transport streams | 11:39 |
| setite | samba doesnt | 11:39 |
| pupnik | i didn't know this | 11:39 |
| setite | yea streaming is alot of what i do | 11:40 |
| setite | i like to be able to stream to every toy i know | 11:40 |
| pupnik | nice | 11:40 |
| setite | i have an hd projector.. and strreaming hd content over samba simply didnt work for more than about 3 seconds | 11:40 |
| pupnik | waah i want a projector too | 11:41 |
| pupnik | eventually i would like to control my pvr throughout the house with 770 | 11:41 |
| setite | but NFS not only moves through all the menus as if you were browsing directories from the same device.. but starts up the streams almost immediately and doesnt stutter on hd | 11:41 |
| pupnik | set recording times, preview stuff | 11:41 |
| setite | that would be known as a upnp remote? | 11:41 |
| pupnik | i don't know i have to see what people are doing | 11:42 |
| setite | oh canola has a room here | 11:42 |
| setite | oh man.. that channel is a joke | 11:42 |
| pupnik | do you run a pvr type device for recording tv? | 11:43 |
| setite | i wish | 11:44 |
| setite | i need a better pvr | 11:44 |
| setite | only one i have is a gay scientific atlanta hd cable box/dvr | 11:45 |
| setite | but its a pretty locked down device | 11:45 |
| setite | i suppose when i figure out how to use firewire i can start getting shit off it | 11:45 |
| setite | i should ask you | 11:45 |
| setite | whats iwth firewire | 11:45 |
| setite | there are more than one types.. like the amoutn of pins or something | 11:45 |
| pupnik | i bought a hauppauge dual analog card which should be good enough for low-bandwidth captures | 11:45 |
| setite | i have a fusion hdtv 3 hd tuner card and a wintv 1500 methinks | 11:46 |
| pupnik | nice | 11:46 |
| setite | i have them in a rig that is supposed to be a htpc | 11:46 |
| setite | but i made the mistake of installing vista | 11:46 |
| setite | and its been fighting me because the new samba implementation doesnt play fair | 11:47 |
| setite | made my hd media box worthless since it doesnt support the new protocol | 11:47 |
| pupnik | microsoft likes to break their compatibility with 'improvements' | 11:47 |
| setite | how do i restart my n800 | 11:47 |
| setite | i seem to be missing the manual | 11:47 |
| pupnik | there's this power button on top | 11:47 |
| setite | well i mean like really restart it | 11:48 |
| setite | is that a true restart | 11:48 |
| setite | pressing ans selecting shut off | 11:48 |
| setite | canola site says | 11:48 |
| setite | After installation, reboot the device without the cable plugged in | 11:48 |
| setite | Hold the fullscreen button while touching the arrows to make a "page end" or "home" | 11:48 |
| pupnik | you can send it to me, i'll restart it for you | 11:48 |
| pupnik | (might take a few weeks though) :) | 11:49 |
| setite | can i plug in the headphones but still make audio play throught hte speakers | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:53 |
| setite | morning Jaffa | 11:53 |
| pupnik | don't know | 11:53 |
| setite | use Canola Jaffa? | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | setite: yes, but only in the FM Radio IIRC | 11:53 |
| setite | i thought so | 11:53 |
| setite | i saw it make some error saying failed to swithc audio... | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | Rebooting after installing Canola is something I've never done (well, immediately anyway) | 11:53 |
| setite | any idea why my canola decided to stop working | 11:54 |
| setite | first time i ran it it saw my upnp servers perfectly | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | 770/N800? What OS versioin and what does "stop working" mean? | 11:54 |
| setite | now it just searches endlessly | 11:54 |
| setite | 800 | 11:54 |
| * Jaffa finds UPnP in any implementation flaky so tends not to use it, TBH. | 11:54 | |
| setite | well it used to find the servers, aka tversity and orb, now it doesnt | 11:55 |
| setite | well without a mem card as of yet.. no choice do i have master jedi | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | The servers *are* running, you're connected to the same network as them etc.? | 11:55 |
| timelyx | setite: WONTFIX: "no we can't let you know when the bugs are out"? | 11:55 |
| setite | nice timelyx | 11:55 |
| setite | well thats where the confusion is | 11:55 |
| setite | now i havent changed the way my network is operating | 11:56 |
| setite | so my answer to that question is yes | 11:56 |
| setite | i have two routers | 11:56 |
| timelyx | melmoth: that's the alternative | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | setite: UPnP only works on the same subnet AIUI | 11:56 |
| timelyx | but is it really worth it in a bug that starts this bad? :( | 11:56 |
| setite | one acting as an actual router with all the trimmings.. then a belkin pure shite 2000 wifi router in AP mode... connected to a lan port on ym wired router | 11:56 |
| setite | yea jaffa i think i am on the same subnet | 11:57 |
| setite | i mean it worked earlier | 11:57 |
| setite | my orb upnp server showed up | 11:57 |
| setite | but orb is the devil you know | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: want me to comment? | 11:57 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: please | 11:57 |
| setite | this fm tuner is cool | 11:59 |
| setite | i wish it was better though | 11:59 |
| setite | i didnt expect it to pick up the weak stations though | 11:59 |
| setite | man | 12:00 |
| setite | can the n800 get better | 12:00 |
| setite | i mean the touchscreen response is amazing | 12:00 |
| setite | if i stick my arms out it picks up a station my clock radio cant | 12:01 |
| setite | oh shit | 12:01 |
| setite | they have a webstream | 12:01 |
| setite | i should use that | 12:02 |
| setite | gotta figure otu how | 12:02 |
| setite | dang the lack of talking from all of you makes me feel like a channel jacker | 12:02 |
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| Jaffa | timelyx: done | 12:03 |
| * Jaffa likes ranting at other people's users, it seems to be the best for everyone :) | 12:03 | |
| timelyx | heh, yes | 12:04 |
| setite | hey how do i play off | 12:05 |
| setite | ogg | 12:05 |
| timelyx | thanks | 12:05 |
| timelyx | setite: you need to install gstreamer-ogg or something | 12:05 |
| setite | ok so i need to add a repo to app manager? | 12:05 |
| zeenix | Jaffa: you sound like that vogon guard from h2g2 who was setified with his job because he like the 'shouting at prisoners' part :) | 12:06 |
| timelyx | heh | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | zeenix: I had a bad week at work and I'm doing more of it today. | 12:06 |
| setite | h2g2? | 12:06 |
| timelyx | zeenix: unfortunately, it's an important job | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | Fortunately, I don't have to put up with cow-erkers on a Sunday at home, just damn UTF-8 issues. | 12:06 |
| timelyx | hitchhiker's guide | 12:06 |
| setite | i thought thats what you mean | 12:06 |
| setite | oh galaxy | 12:07 |
| setite | i got the h2.. the g2 had eluded me... get it now though | 12:07 |
| timelyx | tmtla ? :) | 12:07 |
| setite | zaphod is my kind | 12:07 |
| setite | king* | 12:07 |
| setite | timelyx how do i install gstreamer-ogg | 12:07 |
| timelyx | anyway, it's a lot better for non owners to do the shouting | 12:07 |
| setite | do i got find the deb or is there a smoother way | 12:08 |
| timelyx | setite: good question | 12:08 |
| timelyx | i tried downloads.maemo.org | 12:08 |
| timelyx | and searched for "ogg" | 12:08 |
| timelyx | the third hit has a green arrow and seems promising | 12:08 |
| timelyx | note: i have enough problems w/ lawyers as it is, so i'm not installing it :) | 12:09 |
| timelyx | in fact, my todo list includes replacing ogg code w/ gstreamer code | 12:09 |
| timelyx | in case anyone's interested :) | 12:09 |
| Chili | erstazi? | 12:11 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it erstazi is rusty on porting to a different arch | 12:11 |
| Chili | ok got ssh and xterm etc, have tried xchat..not sure that is really a go-er, also installed nano which would be ok over ssh but not much use with the virtual keyboard | 12:12 |
| Chili | what next | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | Depends what you want to do, Python sounds like something you'd want; maybe a better text editor (I'm happy with the built-in vi) | 12:13 |
| timelyx | personally i only value xterm+ssh | 12:14 |
| timelyx | for everything else, use a real computer | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: and your browser, presumably ;-) | 12:14 |
| timelyx | Jaffa; well, ... sometimes | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | heh | 12:14 |
| setite | yay i love the n9800 again | 12:14 |
| timelyx | s/9// | 12:14 |
| timelyx | setite =~ s/9// | 12:14 |
| setite | just added my first web station to it | 12:14 |
| * timelyx pokes a bot | 12:15 | |
| setite | that auto completer is cute | 12:16 |
| timelyx | which? | 12:16 |
| _Monkey | well, which is why there haven't been official packages for it | 12:16 |
| timelyx | eek | 12:16 |
| timelyx | _Monkey: forget which | 12:16 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot which | 12:16 |
| timelyx | _Monkey: which is <reply> | 12:16 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 12:16 |
| timelyx | which | 12:16 |
| timelyx | good bot | 12:16 |
| timelyx | good riddance too | 12:17 |
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| setite | i havent listened to this station in ages | 12:17 |
| timelyx | (how to silence a bot in 2 easy steps) | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | handy | 12:17 |
| timelyx | you can try it in one if you're brave | 12:17 |
| timelyx | what | 12:17 |
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| timelyx | why | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | how? | 12:18 |
| * timelyx wonders which other words this bot picked up | 12:18 | |
| timelyx | this | 12:18 |
| timelyx | this? | 12:18 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about | 12:18 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey: no, this is <reply> | 12:18 |
| _Monkey | ...but this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about... | 12:18 |
| setite | when i download a .install it saves the repo to my list right | 12:18 |
| timelyx | darn :( | 12:18 |
| timelyx | _Monkey: forget this | 12:18 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot this | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget this. this is <reply> | 12:18 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa, I didn't have anything matching this. this is <reply> | 12:18 |
| timelyx | _Monkey: this is <reply> | 12:18 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 12:18 |
| setite | god when will i stop getting so giddy over this thing | 12:19 |
| timelyx | why? | 12:19 |
| timelyx | what? | 12:19 |
| setite | ok testing ogg support | 12:19 |
| timelyx | there is supposed to be a no verb somewhere in infobot lore. but i see to have lost memory of how to use it about 5 years ago | 12:19 |
| Jaffa | setite: when the battery runs flat faster than you want, it's in your room at night and constantly bleating at you to recharge it | 12:19 |
| timelyx | (well, perhaps calling it a verb is wrong, command?) | 12:20 |
| setite | still a no go | 12:20 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: i like the part where it glows and pulses waking you up | 12:20 |
| setite | jaffa ya that reminds me i need to buy a new battery for this thing stat | 12:20 |
| setite | i finally took it off the charger to start seeing how long it will last me | 12:20 |
| timelyx | setite: how bright is your screen? | 12:21 |
| timelyx | i turn mine to 1 or 2 | 12:21 |
| * Jaffa wouldn't mind a docking station so it could just be dropped in to charge rather than having cables lying around with 18 month old toddlers | 12:21 | |
| setite | ok so where do i get protocols | 12:21 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: can they shock themselves w/ the charger plug? | 12:21 |
| setite | i have it halfway | 12:21 |
| setite | which is surprisingly bright | 12:22 |
| setite | the battery life calculator doesnt seem to respond to that | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: theoretically, but fortunately that's not happened. More likely is him seeing the shiny gadget and running off with it. | 12:22 |
| setite | its on 5 | 12:22 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: heh | 12:22 |
| timelyx | setite: it should if you give it a bit of time | 12:23 |
| timelyx | it's not the fastest update ime | 12:23 |
| timelyx | but i definitely had it respond at times | 12:23 |
| * timelyx fondly remembers when the idle time was shorter than the active time :) | 12:23 | |
| setite | wtf | 12:23 |
| setite | haha | 12:23 |
| setite | ok i need to install protocols | 12:23 |
| setite | i need my aim and msn | 12:23 |
| setite | gaim has neither.. apparently for gaim and pidgin i have to install protocols seperately? | 12:24 |
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| setite | fbrreader doestn do pdf??? wtf | 12:24 |
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| setite | speaking of pdf i need to get the harry potter book in it so i can test the lopad times | 12:25 |
| timelyx | lopad? | 12:25 |
| * timelyx just finished hp this morning | 12:25 | |
| * timelyx started friday evening | 12:25 | |
| setite | haha | 12:26 |
| setite | load times | 12:26 |
| setite | i finished it the friday before it came out | 12:26 |
| setite | and then my preorder showed up in the post the following day :) | 12:27 |
| setite | kinda sad.. i started to reread the hardcopy but got bored | 12:27 |
| timelyx | evil | 12:28 |
| * timelyx tries to decide which flavor evil | 12:29 | |
| setite | cool the new phone update made OBEX work too | 12:29 |
| setite | ok now i can sleep | 12:30 |
| setite | the n800 makes the perfect bookreader | 12:30 |
| setite | opens a pdf almost faster than my dual core gaming rig | 12:30 |
| setite | woot... night all | 12:30 |
| setite | or morning all | 12:31 |
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| Toma- | i cant install bash :S " bash: Depends: base-files (>= 2.1.12) but it is not going to be installed" | 12:42 |
| Toma- | using mistral repos | 12:42 |
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| __pv | setite: you're aware that you can use msn etc via jabber gateways | 12:49 |
| __pv | so the native n770/n800 im client can grok them | 12:50 |
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| oil | great upnp is working. streeming video from home linux to the n800. | 13:18 |
| oil | no only need to wait for couple of days to convert my movies to the correct format :) | 13:18 |
| oil | now | 13:18 |
| __pv | are there transcoding-cabable linux upnp servers? | 13:19 |
| __pv | couldn't find any | 13:19 |
| oil | neither did I. I'm using ushare as the upnp server | 13:20 |
| __pv | I think mediatomb has something in the works, but it isn't ready yet | 13:22 |
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| pupnik | mythtv transcodes, don't know about upnp | 14:00 |
| * pupnik just had a wonderful drive through a scenic countryside in a classic mercedes roadster | 14:01 | |
| solmumaha | i use vlc via http | 14:02 |
| pupnik | oh duh, that's the reason to have a media server - transcoding on the fly | 14:03 |
| pupnik | somehow forgot that | 14:03 |
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| solmumaha | mediatomb should have something on next version but i wouldn't hold my breath | 14:05 |
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| oil | I remember I read somewhere that mythtv would support upnp as well | 14:06 |
| oil | I tried to put mythtv some year ago. failed to make it really work and forgot whole thing. | 14:07 |
| solmumaha | i have an ajax rails app that uses vlc via telnet to transcode movies/live-tv | 14:08 |
| solmumaha | kind of like orb works (i guess) | 14:08 |
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| oil | what is ajax anyway. I heve heard the term nowdays. but never did a wiki search for it. | 14:12 |
| oil | maybe should do now | 14:12 |
| oil | ah. java stuff. better to keep out of it ;) | 14:13 |
| `0660 | it's not java stuff :P | 14:13 |
| `0660 | javascript != java | 14:14 |
| oil | anyway it includes the scary word ;) | 14:14 |
| `0660 | :) | 14:15 |
| sp3000 | <3 the sun & netscape alliance of yore | 14:15 |
| `0660 | for me javascript is more scary than java :) | 14:16 |
| solmumaha | well it updates the pages without complete reload, only the part that needs updating | 14:17 |
| solmumaha | behaves like a normal program | 14:17 |
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| andreas_ | hello @ all | 14:35 |
| pupnik | hi | 14:36 |
| _Monkey | salut, pupnik | 14:36 |
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| andreas__ | i#ve got an elf binary here which i want to run on the nokia 770 | 14:37 |
| andreas__ | but nokia 770 means "unknown filetype" | 14:37 |
| andreas__ | if i run from terminal it tells me there's a permission problem | 14:37 |
| andreas__ | the binary is arm compiled, so it shall run without problems | 14:38 |
| pupnik | not necessarily | 14:38 |
| pupnik | is the binary located on vfat on mmc? | 14:38 |
| andreas__ | mmc | 14:38 |
| pupnik | move it to /home/user and try again | 14:39 |
| `0660 | and do you have the executable bit set? :) | 14:39 |
| andreas__ | ok i will. its a programm called milkytracker (www.milkytracker.net) a music tool | 14:39 |
| andreas__ | see you later, my wife is waiting with meal ;) | 14:39 |
| pupnik | guten appetit | 14:39 |
| andreas__ | starting by ./milkytracker - right? | 14:40 |
| andreas__ | danke! | 14:40 |
| pupnik | yes | 14:40 |
| * pupnik afk eating lunch too | 14:40 | |
| andreas__ | @pupnik: derjenige mit dem ultima port? | 14:40 |
| pupnik | ja | 14:40 |
| andreas__ | with this i also had the problem that it didn't start | 14:40 |
| andreas__ | same prob as with milkytracker | 14:40 |
| andreas__ | but i will try... | 14:40 |
| andreas__ | thanks so far | 14:41 |
| oil | hei, should 770 also support upnp. at least the default audio and video players doens't seem to do that? | 14:41 |
| andreas__ | (moved to debian 2 days ago from xp ;) | 14:41 |
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| * pupnik waves a magic wand over a black hat and murmurs incantations to summon zodttd | 15:01 | |
| pupnik | ... PRESTO! | 15:01 |
| pupnik | (no doubt about it, I gotta get another hat) | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | wb tso | 15:04 |
| tso | thanks | 15:04 |
| tso | did some more testing about that net radio, and im starting to suspect its more a issue with my net connection or something. some times it plays nicely for ages, and others its problem after problem... | 15:04 |
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| oPless | probably a dodgy router | 15:09 |
| oPless | my belkin keels over every so often | 15:09 |
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| Chili2 | is there a standalone wget.deb for OS2006 | 15:13 |
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| tso | oPless: not unlikely. but it have worked nicely, more or less, when used with laptops. | 15:14 |
| oPless | yeah, but how does it cope with laptop streaming? | 15:15 |
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| tso | heh, only tested with last.fm so far, and i think it has done well imo | 15:15 |
| tso | but then the antenna on the laptop is probably larger then on the 770 ;) | 15:16 |
| oPless | also it's not unheard of that wifi aps get bugs tickled by 'unusual' (read non-windows) wifi devices (eg. iphone) | 15:16 |
| tso | as i see the signal % is below 50 most of the time | 15:16 |
| oPless | ahh | 15:17 |
| oPless | you don't get to see S-N ratio either | 15:17 |
| oPless | S-N is much more important that signal strength :) | 15:17 |
| tso | true | 15:17 |
| tso | hell, right now its below 20% :( | 15:18 |
| oPless | my mac goes apeshit when there's other APs about on the same channel - even if it only sees them due to the odd reflected signal | 15:18 |
| oPless | time to add another AP to your home network :) | 15:18 |
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| tso | looks that way. and thats a bit strange as its at most 2 rooms between me and the box right now | 15:19 |
| oPless | I've one in the office and one at the other end of the flat | 15:19 |
| oPless | 2 rooms is more than enough | 15:19 |
| oPless | tho I'm talking about british construction where we use brick :) | 15:20 |
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| tso | try wood, scandinavian wood ;) | 15:20 |
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| pupnik | maybe you're near a radar installation? :) | 15:22 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: is the app available? I was thinking of doing one before coming across gmyth-streamer but until that stabilises and I get around to doing a Freevo-backend... | 15:23 |
| tso | or maybe its a issue with the old cabling in this house or something. basically i have no clue. i just hope to test it in other places soon | 15:24 |
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| tso | ok, now i know why i love this radio "channel" :P | 15:26 |
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| Toma- | trying to encode a video into a 770 friendly format, but the audio keeps going distorted | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | Toma-: what are you using? | 15:31 |
| Toma- | using 770-encode.pl and n700encode.sh | 15:31 |
| Toma- | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding | 15:31 |
| Toma- | following that basically | 15:32 |
| * Jaffa wrote 770-encode, so doesn't have any problems. | 15:32 | |
| Toma- | :( | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | What's the source video and how distorted is the result? | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | How up-to-date is your mencoder? | 15:32 |
| Toma- | source video .avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 512 x 384, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) | 15:32 |
| Toma- | MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team | 15:33 |
| Toma- | basically, it sounds very digitised distortion | 15:33 |
| Toma- | output audio is audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (mono, 44100 Hz) | 15:33 |
| Toma- | is there another codec that might work better? | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | Does it play properly in mplayer (the original) on the same box? | 15:36 |
| Toma- | yep | 15:36 |
| Toma- | original is fine, converted is not | 15:36 |
| Toma- | (using mplayer) | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | Try changing: "my @params = ( $inFile, '-o', $outFile, '-srate', 44100 );" to "my @params = ( $inFile, '-o', $outFile );" - that might help | 15:37 |
| solmumaha | Jaffa: no, it's full of hardcoded paths etc | 15:37 |
| Toma- | ok thanks | 15:37 |
| solmumaha | but one could easily make a proper version of it | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: fair enuf | 15:37 |
| solmumaha | if there's interest | 15:38 |
| pupnik | for animated stuff i use: mencoder -srate 22050 -channels 1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=10500:mode=3:vbr=0:br=64 -af volnorm,channels=1 -ovc lavc -xvidencopts bitrate=400:vhq=4:lumi_mask:cartoon -vf-add hqdn3d=09:0:10 -ofps 12.5 2> /dev/nul (i think) | 15:38 |
| solmumaha | for me, mythtv is a too big depency | 15:39 |
| Toma- | Jaffa: same problem | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: indeed, the advantage that gmyth-streamer will have (AFAICT) is that it will support multiple backends, not just MythTV. | 15:39 |
| pupnik | hmm where's the -vcodec | 15:40 |
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| solmumaha | Jaffa: sounds good, vlc works ok, but using a browser for selecting media is not the nicest solution | 15:42 |
| xtuc | how can i ping as user? i get this: ping: permission denied. (are you root?) | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Toma-: ok. Can you paste the output of the "starting mencoder" line? | 15:43 |
| Toma- | sure | 15:44 |
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| pupnik | xtuc: you can see the permissions of your ping command with ls -l `which ping` | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | ping needs to be run as root. | 15:45 |
| pupnik | i don't even have a ping on this 770 | 15:45 |
| Toma- | Jaffa: heres the whole thing http://pastebin.ca/646317 | 15:45 |
| saerdnaer | or use sudo | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | Generally doesn't on a desktop Linux as the binary can be setuid root, but as this is busybox ping, that'd be a bad idea. | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | Toma-: hmm | 15:47 |
| xtuc | ok, thanks, but how to get root in the X Terminal? if i do su - user , i get su: applet requires root privileges? | 15:47 |
| Toma- | i agree. hmm. :) | 15:47 |
| pupnik | gainroot? | 15:47 |
| tso | looks like i most definetly have a wifi issue. just tried to stream some realmedia from bbcworld, and if failed badly even at 56k :( | 15:47 |
| senuxis | sudo? | 15:47 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: gainroot? | 15:47 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: bugger all, i dunno | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: becomeroot? | 15:48 |
| pupnik | who erased gainroot from monkey? | 15:48 |
| _Monkey | i guess becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 15:48 |
| pupnik | oh duh | 15:48 |
| sp3000 | wow, that wiki page looks amusingly broken | 15:48 |
| xtuc | gainroot brings: chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/initfs: Operation not permitted | 15:49 |
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| tso | i take it becomeroot is well tested? i dont feel like bricking my 770 :( | 15:50 |
| oPless | how hard is gainroot to get? install dropbear ssh to device as root/rootme, and then edit a file | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | tso: becomeroot has never caused any problems for me, or anyone else I know. | 15:51 |
| oPless | admittedly if I was doing it for myself I'd have just edited sudoers or changed the su password | 15:51 |
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| oPless | gainroot seems a little banal | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | oPless: because it's easier to install one package than install one package, open xterm, start sshd, ssh to localhost, edit a file and hope you get it right? | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | oPless: it's not necessary, it's just *easy* | 15:52 |
| oPless | Jaffa: no I mean running 'gainroot' - why not just su ? or is that not +s ? | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | oPless: ISTR there isn't an su, just sudo. And a locked down /etc/sudoers. | 15:53 |
| Toma- | Jaffa: can i change the audio codec? | 15:54 |
| oPless | ah | 15:54 |
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| oPless | su is part of busybox, hence not suid | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Toma-: yeah, but to what I've no idea :-/ | 15:54 |
| Toma- | :S | 15:55 |
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| tso | whats the command to start dropbear. the one on the wiki dont seem to do much... | 15:57 |
| pupnik | /etc/init.d/dropbear start | 15:58 |
| tso | oh duh... | 15:59 |
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| tso | hmm, i started. but no info about what port... | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | 22 | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | or 2222 if non-root IIRC | 16:07 |
| tso | neither responds... | 16:07 |
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| tso | hmm, no route to host? | 16:14 |
| tso | weird. it seems that the datacall setting affects how long 770 keeps the wifi connection open :S | 16:18 |
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| cbx33 | hi how do i debug gstreamer with python on the n800 | 16:24 |
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| pupnik | you don't | 16:27 |
| pupnik | ? | 16:27 |
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| dev | cbx33: use the GSTREAMER_DEBUG environment variable | 16:28 |
| cbx33 | dev cool.......example? | 16:29 |
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| cbx33 | not GST_DEBUG ? | 16:30 |
| cbx33 | or does it have to be compiled with it? | 16:31 |
| dev | GST_DEBUG=*:5 should give you a lot of output | 16:31 |
| cbx33 | ok | 16:33 |
| cbx33 | i get nothing | 16:37 |
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| dev | hmm | 16:44 |
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| cbx33 | http://pastebin.ca/646365 | 16:50 |
| cbx33 | that's my code | 16:50 |
| cbx33 | the dynamic pads bit doen't print | 16:50 |
| cbx33 | but it works on a normal pc | 16:51 |
| Chili2 | whats the best pim for 0s2006 | 16:52 |
| Chili2 | gre? | 16:53 |
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| dev | cbx33: yeah, I recall having had a lot of trouble with that too | 16:56 |
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| cbx33 | dev, if you could take a look at some point i'd be most greatful | 16:57 |
| dev | cbx33: only help I can give you at the moment is to point you to my pipeline https://coherence.beebits.net/browser/trunk/coherence/backends/gstreamer_audio_player.py | 16:58 |
| cbx33 | cool | 16:58 |
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| dev | it works, and as I've been told that the gstreamer parts will get some revision for one of the next release I haven't invested too much time in it | 17:00 |
| cbx33 | when is the next release scheduled | 17:02 |
| cbx33 | are thete any maemo gstreamer gurus any one knows? | 17:03 |
| dev | this only Nokia and time can tell :-) | 17:03 |
| dev | but to be honest, I've no idea | 17:03 |
| cbx33 | ok | 17:03 |
| dev | there are quite some around | 17:03 |
| cbx33 | i just really want to get this working | 17:04 |
| dev | but most of them are on #gstreamer | 17:04 |
| cbx33 | ok | 17:04 |
| dev | it looks like there are some bugs in the current gstreamer parts on Maemo | 17:05 |
| dev | I had to bring down the pipeline every time to not get the dsp into some undefined state | 17:06 |
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| cbx33 | ouch | 17:06 |
| greyg00 | hi | 17:07 |
| _Monkey | niihau, greyg00 | 17:07 |
| greyg00 | niihau;) you're chinese ? | 17:08 |
| tso | heh, you know there is something strange when a bluetooth keyboard is more expensive then the device itself... | 17:10 |
| greyg00 | mh, i paid 69 euro for mine ... | 17:10 |
| tso | interesting, expansys have removed their 770 offer :) | 17:10 |
| tso | what brand would that be greyg00? | 17:12 |
| greyg00 | some noname thinngy from a german online shop | 17:13 |
| _Andreas2 | hi there | 17:13 |
| _Monkey | que tal, _Andreas2 | 17:13 |
| _Andreas2 | how can i run a simple elf-programm on the 770? | 17:14 |
| greyg00 | its not bt hid but serial, so i guess its the worst available, but good enpugh for my needs | 17:14 |
| _Andreas2 | theres no shortcut or so | 17:14 |
| greyg00 | i mostly use synergy anyway | 17:14 |
| pupnik | greyg00: any problems entering text into first browser window with synergy? | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | _Andreas2: if it's not the ARMEL EABI, you can't run it on anything later than OS 2005 | 17:15 |
| pupnik | correction: into the address entry field | 17:15 |
| _Andreas2 | for example the tool xournal from the repository... | 17:16 |
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| _Andreas2 | runs well thru menu shortcut but not from term | 17:16 |
| greyg00 | pupnik: not realized yet if there is any | 17:16 |
| greyg00 | afk again ... | 17:16 |
| pupnik | greyg00: might be an issue with the version of synergy i have installed. last time i ran synergy with it2007he i had no quirks on entry (after setting the xim input method) | 17:17 |
| _Andreas2 | @pupnik: you've got pm ;) | 17:17 |
| pupnik | _Andreas2: your nick needs to be registered to send pm | 17:17 |
| _Andreas2 | oh | 17:17 |
| pupnik | /msg nickserv help for info | 17:18 |
| pupnik | or join channel #andr | 17:18 |
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| MaemoUS | xs | 17:33 |
| Chili | is ther a smb client for os2006 | 17:33 |
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| tso | hmm, converted a pdf to html. but when i try to load said html into fbreader, the program crash... | 17:38 |
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| MaemoUS | hi somebody knows what to do for the scrollbars follow the bottom of a textview? | 17:45 |
| melmoth | ? | 17:47 |
| melmoth | what do you mean by 'follow' ? | 17:47 |
| MaemoUS | when the a line is appended on the textview the scrollbar move down fl | 17:48 |
| MaemoUS | following the text | 17:48 |
| melmoth | hmmm | 17:49 |
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| melmoth | i think it something like putting a mark at the ned of the text, and tell the textview to go to that mark | 17:49 |
| melmoth | with scroll_to_mark() | 17:51 |
| t][s][o | hrmf, tried to run FBreader in the xterm just to see what the error was: killed | 17:51 |
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| MaemoUS | thanks ill try that i m using textbuffer but sometimes the scroll don~t follow | 17:52 |
| melmoth | MaemoUS, what kind of stuff are you writing ? | 17:54 |
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| MaemoUS | an irc client i~am writing from it | 17:56 |
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| melmoth | hmm, may be there is something more convenient than scrolling to a mark for a never ending sort of text stream such as irc stream | 17:57 |
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| MaemoUS | yes i was trying to search some property for this but i don~t find a good documentation | 17:58 |
| melmoth | scroll_to_iter seems more fitted | 17:59 |
| MaemoUS | for every message i would have to scroll down in every window channel | 17:59 |
| melmoth | i am afraid that s the way.... | 18:00 |
| melmoth | you may want to have a look in xchat sources to see how they do it | 18:00 |
| melmoth | http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtktextview.html (and devhelp are your friends if you are not already aware of this :) ) | 18:00 |
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| MaemoUS | thanks i ll try to look there | 18:03 |
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| MaemoUS | whats the devhelp URL? | 18:18 |
| melmoth | it s not a url, it something you install | 18:18 |
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| melmoth | apt-get install devhelp should do the trick | 18:19 |
| MaemoUS | i ve already have installed hehehe thanks | 18:22 |
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| tso | hmm, that pdf reader works ok, ones one have learned how it operates... | 18:38 |
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| rhsanborn | any python gurus here? | 18:52 |
| rhsanborn | Python apparently has a built in function that allows for basic image manipulation, such as resizing, and I'm curious if that function is included in the build for the n800 | 18:54 |
| dev | rhsanborn: that the PIL module python-imaging | 18:54 |
| jonnylamb | Read this for info on the removed modules in pymaemo: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link2 | 18:55 |
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| rhsanborn | first, I'm going to open a py console and try the image resize command to see if it's there. Gotta figure out what it is though | 18:56 |
| rhsanborn | That alone would mean that I could use my tablet for everything I need and I wouldn't need to buy a laptop :P | 18:57 |
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| rhsanborn | I ran the command import Image, I suppose if the image library wasnt present, it should have given me an error? | 19:03 |
| jonnylamb | Yes, and ImportError. | 19:04 |
| jonnylamb | s/and/an/ | 19:04 |
| infobot | jonnylamb meant: Yes, an ImportError. | 19:04 |
| rhsanborn | thanks, thats very good. Now I just need to write a quick and dirty resize script. That will be perfect | 19:05 |
| rhsanborn | Thanks guys | 19:05 |
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| UKP | I'm trying to compile xchat (because I want enable plugin support) using the vmware dev appliance, and I applied the 2.8.0 patch the guy made earlier in the year, but getting linker errors on the touchpad stuff - any chance someone can help? | 19:12 |
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| UKP | success, got xchat to compile with plugin support | 19:53 |
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| rhsanborn | The python imaging library appears to work. I havent looked at the images that it spits out yet. The only problem is that it takes at least 2-3 minutes per picture. To do a large batch would kill the battery before it finished | 20:07 |
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| setite | hello everybody | 20:10 |
| eichi | there is no airdump app on my maemo..I installed aircrack-ng and aircrack-pwt and wirelesstools..what do I need ? | 20:11 |
| setite | Manchester United!!! | 20:12 |
| setite | hey eichi how did you instrall aircrack | 20:13 |
| setite | im a little nublet... | 20:13 |
| setite | did you grab a deb for it? | 20:13 |
| setite | or did you compile it | 20:13 |
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| eichi | from apt | 20:18 |
| setite | what repo | 20:22 |
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| setite | oooh bootmenu | 20:33 |
| setite | thats how you boot to alternate os | 20:33 |
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| setite | god i love this little devil | 20:33 |
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| Mycrof1 | ?- ctorrent won't install on n800 with the latest firmware. Any alternatives? | 21:32 |
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| setite | what are some good phones to use with the n800 that are cheap | 21:37 |
| bldewolf | anyone around with scratchbox experience? | 21:39 |
| `0660 | the scratchbox experience :) | 21:40 |
| setite | ::french accent::zhe experiounce | 21:40 |
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| suma | how can i access my samba share using nokia 770 ? | 21:55 |
| suma | using nokia 2006 os | 21:55 |
| suma | someone please help | 21:55 |
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| amr | suma, in the wiki there is a guide | 22:09 |
| amr | windows cifs iirc | 22:09 |
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| amr | where can i find some cool radio streams | 22:15 |
| tso | shoutcast.com? | 22:18 |
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| suma | amr, got it worked fine | 22:21 |
| suma | amr anyway to get openvpn working ? | 22:22 |
| suma | with the compression | 22:22 |
| amr | never tried vpn sorry | 22:23 |
| suma | amr thanks for the help | 22:23 |
| amr | :) | 22:23 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:55 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 23:55 |
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