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| Fatal | nm, got it | 00:02 |
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| amr | what kind of console emulators are available? | 00:17 |
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| red-zack | amr: xterm for example | 00:26 |
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| amr | haha | 00:31 |
| amr | i meant games console, i know there is a nes one | 00:31 |
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| red-zack | pupnik: ich kann "irgendwie" nichts mehr installieren. genug speicher ist vorhanden. meldung "operation failed" hab auch keine root rechte bislang, also system zerschießen faellt da wohl auch flach. | 00:36 |
| red-zack | habs nun schon mit knapp 5 installs versucht | 00:37 |
| red-zack | und applivation manager sagt mir, bei installed apps, das keine installiert seien, obwohl da einiges drauf ist. | 00:37 |
| red-zack | als ich das letzte mal reinguckte, war da auch ne menge | 00:38 |
| red-zack | kann alls "normal" nutzen, appz, games, etc | 00:38 |
| unique311 | so is someone porting cheese to maemo.... | 00:39 |
| unique311 | looks really nice | 00:39 |
| unique311 | amr, fceu xmame nes | 00:40 |
| unique311 | pupnik is working on others i think | 00:40 |
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| erstazi | unique311, you have a n800 and not a 770, correct? | 00:41 |
| unique311 | correct | 00:42 |
| unique311 | proud owner since march or april i think | 00:43 |
| unique311 | had times where i wanted to get rid of it.. | 00:43 |
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| pupnik | making food - bbs | 00:52 |
| e-squizo | has anyone tried to get an N800 configured in such a way that the home directory is mounted on the internal SD card? | 00:53 |
| e-squizo | it would provide a nice alternative to the backup-restore idea | 00:54 |
| e-squizo | and produce less wear on the on-board flash | 00:54 |
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| pupnik | red-zack: check logs in app manager for errors, or use apt tools from console | 00:55 |
| e-squizo | the fact that there is no HOWTO about this makes me wonder that it may be a completely bone-headed idea, though... | 00:55 |
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| e-squizo | what is the general wisdom on mounting /home on the SD card? | 00:56 |
| pupnik | you could try mv /home/user /media/mmc1 && ln -s /media/mmc1/user /home/user | 00:56 |
| pupnik | i don't see any point in it | 00:56 |
| pupnik | moving MyDocs would make more sense imo | 00:56 |
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| e-squizo | pupnik: sure... I should reformat the SD card first, of course, so it's not vfat | 00:57 |
| pupnik | maybe. but for media files vfat works also | 00:57 |
| pupnik | unique311: if you find more games we should try porting please give me a msg - i'm putting together a list at http://pupnik.de/links.html | 00:58 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: well... moving all of /home/user to the SD card preserves all application configurations across firmware updates! | 00:58 |
| pupnik | well not all, some | 00:59 |
| e-squizo | and since some applications (GPE, for example) frequently update data on hidden directories, it would mean that those updates are easier on non-replaceable flash | 00:59 |
| e-squizo | that should extend the device's lifespan | 00:59 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, always looking... | 01:00 |
| unique311 | but with my scratchbox installing, not sure if its the problem..i segfault on most of the apps | 01:00 |
| unique311 | actually i found this game that might do maemo some justice... | 01:01 |
| unique311 | pydance | 01:01 |
| unique311 | compiled well | 01:01 |
| unique311 | when i run it seems to work...but nothing happens to the screen.. | 01:01 |
| unique311 | found a whole site on python games....and another with sdl games | 01:02 |
| pupnik | maybe some of the python geeks here can help with that | 01:03 |
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| unique311 | pydance seems good.. | 01:06 |
| unique311 | and figure the only keys needed is the directional pad. | 01:06 |
| unique311 | and enter | 01:06 |
| unique311 | back | 01:06 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, http://www.pygame.org/projects/6 | 01:07 |
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| beav1s | hi guys, i think my application manager is broken. cant install anything, and "installed applications" doesnt show me my installed shit. what to do? | 01:08 |
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| pupnik | beav1s: are you red-zack? | 01:09 |
| beav1s | yes.. :( | 01:09 |
| unique311 | http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php?license=free | 01:09 |
| beav1s | hi pupnik ;) | 01:09 |
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| user_ | Where can i get flash for os2006? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | red-zack: check logs in app manager for errors, or use apt tools from console | 01:10 |
| user_ | As in youtube | 01:10 |
| red-zack | pupnik: but i havent root privilegs | 01:10 |
| pupnik | red-zack: check logs in app manager for errors | 01:10 |
| red-zack | kk | 01:10 |
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| pupnik | wow unique311 nice link | 01:11 |
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| unique311 | maybe you will have better luck in your scratchbox setup | 01:12 |
| pupnik | "We reserve the right to refuse to list games which suck | 01:12 |
| e-squizo | anybody knows which process is responsible for automounting SD cards? | 01:12 |
| pupnik | heh | 01:12 |
| pupnik | ? | 01:12 |
| red-zack | E: malformed line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist part) | 01:12 |
| pupnik | user_: flash is built-in to opera | 01:12 |
| red-zack | The list of sources could not be read | 01:12 |
| user_ | There is an opera release for maemo? | 01:13 |
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| user_ | I was afraid to ask, i expected open source nerdrage 8D | 01:14 |
| erstazi | user_, I am not sure about that, there is a way for updating your tablet, depending on the OS you use | 01:14 |
| erstazi | user_, is your tablet new? | 01:15 |
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| user_ | Yes | 01:15 |
| user_ | 770 though | 01:15 |
| pupnik | i think the way to watch youtube is with 'uktube' or something - youtube in browser on 770 does not work here | 01:15 |
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| erstazi | user_, I have a 770 also, I suggest getting the updates by downloading the update wizard | 01:16 |
| user_ | Wh | 01:16 |
| user_ | It was up to date out of the box | 01:17 |
| erstazi | user_, who said? | 01:17 |
| user_ | The update wizard? | 01:17 |
| erstazi | http://www.nokia.com/A4144790? | 01:18 |
| erstazi | user_, if the update wizard says you are up to date, then you are, I do not recall opera having any updates | 01:18 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 01:19 |
| _Monkey | i guess becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 01:19 |
| user_ | I think you misread me | 01:19 |
| erstazi | user_, probably so, but either way, flash is independent of the browser | 01:19 |
| amr | has anyone ever done any music notation software | 01:19 |
| user_ | I know that | 01:19 |
| amr | im not sure if the devices support midi or not | 01:20 |
| amr | im clueless when it comes to developing for a device | 01:20 |
| pupnik | timidity runs on the tablet - takes a lot of cpu for some song types though | 01:20 |
| user_ | I asked where i could get flash for maemo | 01:20 |
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| amr | pupnik, how do you mean | 01:21 |
| pupnik | user_ macromedia-flashplayer - OSSO Macromedia Flashplayer | 01:21 |
| pupnik | amr: timidity lets the tablet play back midi files | 01:21 |
| amr | oohh | 01:21 |
| user_ | Which reepository? | 01:21 |
| pupnik | it comes with the device user_ | 01:23 |
| pupnik | you don't install it | 01:23 |
| user_ | on the 77O? | 01:27 |
| erstazi | user_, yes | 01:27 |
| user_ | Really not seeing it | 01:29 |
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| erstazi | user_, run this url in opera: http://tinyurl.com/2cqz97 | 01:30 |
| erstazi | on your 770 | 01:30 |
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| erstazi | make sure you enable javascript | 01:32 |
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| erstazi | user_, I have LNX 6,0,82,2 | 01:33 |
| erstazi | maybe tonight since flash is so high demand, I will take the source and head to scratchbox | 01:35 |
| user_ | What am i looking for there? | 01:37 |
| user_ | Oh, it just didn't load properly | 01:39 |
| user_ | Same version, yeah | 01:40 |
| user_ | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. | 01:44 |
| user_ | Hrm. | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | my flash test site is www.homestarrunner.com | 01:48 |
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| user_ | Mine is redtube | 01:52 |
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| Pio | i usually go to flash.com | 01:59 |
| Pio | not much personality, but sure is easy to remember | 01:59 |
| strid | say | 02:00 |
| strid | does uktube delete cached video after showing it? | 02:00 |
| strid | this 7 mb download is omnious | 02:00 |
| maddler | evening all! | 02:03 |
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| NeoStrider_IM | hello maemo people | 02:12 |
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| frob | damn, no space left on device while installing openembedded | 02:13 |
| maddler | NeoStrider: hello :) | 02:15 |
| NeoStrider | hello maddler | 02:17 |
| NeoStrider | whats up, folks | 02:17 |
| maddler | NeoStrider: not much... | 02:18 |
| maddler | adn damn warm! | 02:19 |
| maddler | adn -> and | 02:19 |
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| NeoStrider | warm...its kind of cold here | 02:19 |
| frob | warm, so late at night? | 02:23 |
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| NeoStrider | ..."Wir sind die Roboter"... | 02:27 |
| frob | kraftwerk ? | 02:28 |
| pupnik | i just heard that song 1 hour ago in random play :) | 02:30 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 02:35 |
| NeoStrider | mench-machina | 02:35 |
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| NeoStrider | great album | 02:35 |
| strid | any germans here? I have a language question | 02:38 |
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| pupnik | yes | 02:38 |
| strid | is Wankmotor a real word? | 02:39 |
| pupnik | no | 02:40 |
| pupnik | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankelmotor | 02:40 |
| pupnik | do you think a real word would have only one google hit? | 02:41 |
| strid | do you think I'd ask if I wasn't in doubt? 8) | 02:43 |
| strid | I wasn't sure if it was a misspelling or just made up, and google didn't offer any alternatively spelled suggestions | 02:44 |
| pupnik | i understand | 02:45 |
| strid | thanks for the help | 02:45 |
| pupnik | amazing thing about the wankel motor is that the shape of the combustion chamber wasn't mathematically described until a couple of decades ago | 02:45 |
| pupnik | guy was a genius | 02:45 |
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| unique311 | found any good projects you gonna work on pupnik | 02:52 |
| pupnik | trying to finish up the old ones | 02:52 |
| pupnik | just updating my links page now | 02:52 |
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| syntux | Good morning/evening folks | 03:01 |
| NeoStrider | good night ;-P | 03:02 |
| unique311 | whats new on th internet, freaking bored as hell | 03:03 |
| strid | I really can't cope with the default 770 email client, is there a decent alternative? | 03:03 |
| NeoStrider | svn update - | 03:03 |
| pupnik | strid: claws mail seems to be what most people choose | 03:03 |
| NeoStrider | svn update takes whats new on the SVN repo and updates my version without overwriting my local work, right? | 03:03 |
| syntux | I just received my N800 yesterday, was able to install almost all software I'd ever use (looking for a calendar that sync with google calendar) but what next.... | 03:04 |
| strid | claws mail, huh? | 03:04 |
| strid | syntux: did you use it for porn yet? | 03:05 |
| strid | do that if your wallet still hurts | 03:05 |
| syntux | strid, any tutorial ? :p | 03:05 |
| strid | pornotube dot com | 03:05 |
| strid | for some reason it doesn't default into straight content, so check the drop down menu if you're iffy about that | 03:06 |
| unique311 | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1219 | 03:07 |
| unique311 | that individual is looking for help... | 03:07 |
| unique311 | packing up four rivers... | 03:07 |
| strid | what is Hildon? | 03:08 |
| _Monkey | Hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon and a standard part of the maemo platform | 03:08 |
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| strid | what is love? | 03:09 |
| pupnik | good song | 03:09 |
| pupnik | both the elvis costello and the dee-lite versino | 03:09 |
| strid | I'm seeing mentions of a 2007 hacker edition for 770 | 03:10 |
| strid | wouldn't that run terribly on the 770's hardware? | 03:10 |
| strid | I'm guessing these OSes don't have a lot of leeway in terms of resource management and whatnot | 03:10 |
| pupnik | it needs some more adapting to fit the 770 hw and become stable | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | fishyNES getting up to 50fps on gp2x... | 03:12 |
| strid | is that bora only? | 03:12 |
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| pupnik | just looking at alternative NES Emus | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | i have no idea how to fix fceu's sound | 03:13 |
| strid | I tried to get xmame running but it complained about missing some files | 03:13 |
| strid | I'm not that into arcade games anyway. | 03:13 |
| strid | but playing street fighter would be fun | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | hard! | 03:14 |
| pupnik | i've read in many places that SDL sound is bad for emus | 03:14 |
| strid | I don't know about that, I couldn't even get xmame itself to start | 03:15 |
| strid | scummvm works fine, though! | 03:15 |
| strid | only the game I tried was missing the whole click menu thing. | 03:15 |
| strid | (beneath a steel sky) | 03:15 |
| strid | xmaeme sounds like it might be relevant | 03:17 |
| strid | let's give it a spin 8D | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | beneath a steel sky! | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | luv it! | 03:17 |
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| NeoStrider | but Im stuck on the very beginning | 03:18 |
| frob | mmmmm | 03:18 |
| frob | openmoko (and openembedded) seriously looks years ahead of scratchbox | 03:18 |
| strid | hm | 03:19 |
| strid | I thought I had some mame roms but I guess they aren't | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | http://www.talfi.net/gp32_franxis/ <<-- perhaps a faster mame | 03:23 |
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| strid | I can't seem to connect to gmail with claws | 03:25 |
| pupnik | looking at the changelog it should be ~much~ faster | 03:26 |
| frob | does the gp2x have 3d acceleration ? | 03:26 |
| pupnik | no | 03:26 |
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| frob | no as in "not there" or as "there but nobody knows how to activate it?" | 03:26 |
| pupnik | not there | 03:27 |
| frob | ok | 03:28 |
| * pupnik prays for AMD's survival | 03:31 | |
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| Mikho | "Thou art arrogant mortal. Thou must relearn thy lessons!" | 03:35 |
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| strid | fuuuuck youuuu, gmail! | 03:37 |
| NeoStrider | take it easy,strid | 03:38 |
| strid | gmail is out to get me | 03:39 |
| akjohn | Anyone else having trouble with gmail in the new browser? | 03:39 |
| strid | I'm having problems with gmail's pop server authentication | 03:39 |
| akjohn | strid, Ah.. | 03:39 |
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| akjohn | Anyone seen this yet? http://pokylinux.org/ | 03:40 |
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| akjohn | How do I disable the mozilla based browser and switch to the normal browser? | 03:43 |
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| strid | gasp, gasp | 03:46 |
| akjohn | What? | 03:47 |
| strid | the gmail pop3 server is definitely trying to off me | 03:48 |
| strid | I'm going to have an aneurysm | 03:48 |
| akjohn | Are you using authentication? | 03:48 |
| strid | judging by the logs, it excplicitly rejects the password | 03:48 |
| strid | which I am all kinds of certain is not misspelled | 03:48 |
| akjohn | Are you using encryption? | 03:49 |
| strid | yes | 03:49 |
| strid | yes I am | 03:49 |
| NeoStrider | akjohn: I cant even start the poky-qemu thing | 03:49 |
| akjohn | NeoStrider, Really? I just thought it was interesting that they are targeting the Nokia N800 platform.. | 03:49 |
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| pupnik | iriver tried to make a gaming device with the 800x480 screen on the nokias (pics here) http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/03/more-deets-on-irivers-wibroin-game-console/ | 03:51 |
| pupnik | having very little bezel around the screen does look very sexy | 03:52 |
| pupnik | http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/iriver_g10.jpg | 03:52 |
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| strid | STARTTLS enabled: connection to pop.gmail.com:995 times out. Regular SSL enabled: connects to said server, rejects username/password | 03:53 |
| strid | weird. | 03:54 |
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| strid | according to this, STARTTLS should be enabled http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287&disablechatbrowsercheck=1 | 03:54 |
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| strid | actually, that's probably just SMTP | 03:55 |
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| akjohn | strid, I have fought with the same problem.. | 03:55 |
| NeoStrider | akjohn: whats your command line for launching the emulator? | 03:56 |
| strid | I'm tempted to pawn the tablet and jihading google hq | 03:56 |
| pupnik | that gp2x mame emu should run 1st-gen arcade games at 60fps with sound | 03:57 |
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| pupnik | New Order - Blue Monday \o\ /o/ _o/ \o/ _o_ | 04:03 |
| NeoStrider | love that album | 04:13 |
| NeoStrider | power ,consumption and lies | 04:13 |
| * NeoStrider is a New Order, Joy Division, Warsaw and Stiffy Kittiens addict | 04:13 | |
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| erstazi | By the way, Gizmo and Nokia 770 work great together | 04:17 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, I like Joy Division as well | 04:17 |
| strid | >:I | 04:20 |
| strid | stupid perpetual beta email service | 04:20 |
| pupnik | cool NeoStrider ... here's another vid of the psx emu on gp2x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEI6iz5sWqc | 04:23 |
| NeoStrider | im quite fanatic to JD | 04:23 |
| NeoStrider | collect bootlegs and stuff like that | 04:23 |
| pupnik | nice | 04:24 |
| pupnik | you know Model 500? | 04:24 |
| NeoStrider | NO! | 04:27 |
| NeoStrider | I MUST GET IT!!!! | 04:27 |
| NeoStrider | WHERE?! | 04:27 |
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| NeoStrider | DO YOU HAVE IT!? | 04:27 |
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| pupnik | some of my favorite early 90s stuff is juan atkins | 04:28 |
| pupnik | :#maemo(+cn)] [Act: 1,8,9,10] | 04:29 |
| pupnik | :#maemo(+cn)] [Act: 1,8,9,10] [#maemo] | 04:29 |
| pupnik | sorry | 04:29 |
| pupnik | http://www.discogs.com/search?type=all&q=model+500&btn=Search | 04:29 |
| pupnik | you have to hear the 'Be Brave EP' | 04:29 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, isn't juan atkins the "creator" of techno? | 04:29 |
| pupnik | one of the early guys | 04:30 |
| strid | is there any way to globally move vertical sliding bars to the left side of windows for left-handed users? | 04:31 |
| strid | typical linux narrow-minded implementation | 04:31 |
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| pupnik | good question - see if hildon/gtk can do it | 04:32 |
| NeoStrider | thanks, pupnik | 04:33 |
| strid | i wouldn't know how | 04:33 |
| pupnik | wow, some people are selling the ep for maxi cd for $84.00 | 04:34 |
| unique311 | strid, there's a post on maemo.org about that | 04:34 |
| unique311 | strid, http://aksi.mdamt.net/node/210 | 04:34 |
| unique311 | original post | 04:34 |
| pupnik | unique311: that gp2x mame emulator kicks ass on stock mame | 04:35 |
| unique311 | anything on gp2x runs good | 04:36 |
| unique311 | its a gaming device | 04:36 |
| unique311 | 1st | 04:36 |
| pupnik | stock MAME runs crappy on gp2x as well | 04:37 |
| pupnik | the gp2x is between the 770 and 800 in performance | 04:37 |
| pupnik | they have some good coders doing ports, is my point. | 04:37 |
| unique311 | gaming is priority with gp2x | 04:37 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:38 |
| unique311 | that might be why. | 04:38 |
| pupnik | but your statement "anything on gp2x runs good" is incorrect | 04:38 |
| unique311 | well they get to the point of running good.. | 04:38 |
| pupnik | right | 04:38 |
| unique311 | i was looking for one | 04:39 |
| unique311 | can't find them in any stores. | 04:39 |
| strid | oh | 04:46 |
| strid | does anyone know if there are any maemo applications that support the .cbr format? | 04:46 |
| strid | image archives | 04:46 |
| pupnik | comic book? i think so | 04:46 |
| strid | yeah | 04:47 |
| pupnik | maybe there's a version of 'comix' or maybe one of the maemo-optimised viewers supports it | 04:47 |
| pupnik | i think it's just a .zip | 04:47 |
| strid | .cbr is basically a renamed .rar | 04:48 |
| pupnik | ah | 04:48 |
| strid | but I think there might be some additional metadata | 04:49 |
| strid | who knows. | 04:49 |
| pupnik | there's a new image viewer under active development | 04:49 |
| strid | any releases so far? | 04:51 |
| pupnik | can't remember the name | 04:52 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mirage/ | 04:52 |
| pupnik | i think that's it | 04:52 |
| strid | bora only, it seems | 04:53 |
| strid | O | 04:53 |
| strid | uh | 04:53 |
| pupnik | no | 04:53 |
| strid | I'll bookmark it and keep an eye on it | 04:53 |
| pupnik | there's an os2006 versino on the downloads page | 04:53 |
| strid | I also need an ebook reader, couldn't find one in the default repositories for some reason | 04:53 |
| pupnik | what is an ebook? | 04:54 |
| unique311 | what | 04:54 |
| pupnik | just a rhetorical question | 04:55 |
| unique311 | a pdf, chm version of a book... is that a good explanation | 04:55 |
| strid | is fbreader okay? | 04:55 |
| pupnik | pdf isn't a lightweight format - you can convert it to something sensible though | 04:58 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search pdftohtml | 04:58 |
| pupnik | poppler-utils - PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler) | 04:58 |
| pupnik | xpdf-utils - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- utilities | 04:58 |
| pupnik | adobe, like many other companies, is an Anal Intruder when it comes to file formats | 05:01 |
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| strid | fbreader is pretty good | 05:10 |
| strid | quite flexible | 05:10 |
| strid | has a hard time finding books, though | 05:10 |
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| bldewolf | is there a guide for flashing the developer rootfs to a device? | 05:48 |
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| pupnik_ | python package installs a silly thing: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2948853 Jun 27 19:26 python25.zip | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | in /usr/lib | 06:00 |
| qnr-N800 | hi, is there a channel for general user questions on the IT? | 06:01 |
| pupnik_ | i don't think so | 06:01 |
| pupnik_ | go ahead and ask here | 06:01 |
| qnr-N800 | ok, thanks... | 06:02 |
| qnr-N800 | as regards the keyboard, is there a way to enter escape or cursor movement keys? | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | cursor can be done with directional pad (dpad) on left | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | escape key is the circle-arrow below dpad | 06:04 |
| qnr-N800 | ah | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | today I saw the most funny t-shirt ever | 06:04 |
| qnr-N800 | thanks | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | it was like the Nokia Logo | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | "Connecting People" | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | but instead of Nokia it had "Vodka - Connecting People" | 06:04 |
| qnr-N800 | and I see that vim didn't really need for me to use esc | 06:05 |
| NeoStrider | using that Nokia typography | 06:05 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 06:05 |
| pupnik_ | how do you avoid using esc in vim? | 06:05 |
| qnr-N800 | ok, thank you | 06:05 |
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| qnr-N800 | I just typed a colon | 06:06 |
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| qnr-N800 | without themesc msybe it was a fluke | 06:06 |
| pupnik_ | well if you're in insert mode, typing a colon gives you a colon | 06:06 |
| qnr-N800 | well I was in insert mode.. it confused me, but I thought perhaps the program was modified | 06:07 |
| qnr-N800 | I must have done something without noticing | 06:08 |
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| Sulis | in xterm the back arrow is esc | 06:14 |
| Sulis | so you can use vim just like normal | 06:14 |
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| pupnik_ | i don't know if this makes sense but i would have wished that the vkbd also would send normal X key events | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | i think they wanted people to do proper ports though :) | 06:16 |
| qnr-lt | Sulis, thank you | 06:16 |
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| Sulis | :) | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | anybody want to help port something? | 06:19 |
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| procto | I've just finished writing version 0.1 of a server written in python | 06:20 |
| procto | that launches VLC in streaming mode | 06:20 |
| procto | i.e. it implements a rudimentary protocol for logging in, viewing a list of available media for streaming, selecting the file you want to play, and then launching VLC on the server | 06:21 |
| procto | because I found its transcoding and streaming to be best | 06:21 |
| pupnik_ | so what do you use on the nokia to view the stream? | 06:21 |
| procto | mplayer | 06:21 |
| pupnik_ | cool | 06:21 |
| procto | I've used mplayer to view vlc streams, and it's by far the best streaming | 06:21 |
| qnr-lt | I'm having a ball with this thing (only owned it for a few hours)... still haven't figured out how to become root, so I'd say that leaves me out of any porting heheh | 06:21 |
| procto | I'm thinking a simple batch file on the device is good enough for now | 06:21 |
| procto | is anyone interested in the code? | 06:22 |
| procto | Cause I'm mostly writing it for my own utility | 06:22 |
| procto | not sure I want to turn it into a large project | 06:22 |
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| procto | what I *do* want to turn into a project, is to write a python interface to libupnp or its equivalent using in maemo using ctypes | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | i'm working on something else at the moment | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | but streaming with mplayer would be nice -- mainly i'd like something to watch tv from my capture card in the basement | 06:23 |
| procto | qnr-lt: go to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ on your device, and select the One Click Install link for the Polish Eko1 repository | 06:23 |
| qnr-lt | tu | 06:23 |
| procto | qnr-lt: you will also want to get the maemo hackers repo and thus install xterm | 06:24 |
| procto | qnr-lt: then apt-get install becomeroot | 06:24 |
| qnr-lt | I have those two | 06:24 |
| procto | qnr-lt: ah, then sudo gainroot | 06:24 |
| procto | should be dumping you into a root console | 06:24 |
| procto | one becomeroot is installed | 06:24 |
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| procto | once* | 06:24 |
| qnr-lt | I don't have becomeroot yet, I was a little worried with the talk of bricking the 00 :) | 06:25 |
| procto | hm? | 06:25 |
| procto | I guess I wasn't exposed to the same scare mongering :> | 06:25 |
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| qnr-lt | one of the descriptions was talking about possibly bricking the device, perhaps it wasn't becomeroot | 06:26 |
| pupnik_ | i think that was 'red pill mode' | 06:26 |
| pupnik_ | becomeroot? | 06:26 |
| _Monkey | i heard becomeroot was For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 06:26 |
| procto | yeah, redpill I heard might cause bricking and such | 06:26 |
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| qnr-lt | only had it for a few hours, been reading a lot, things run together | 06:26 |
| pupnik_ | but procto's link is better than that answer | 06:26 |
| pupnik_ | that install link will do the same as that echo 'deb.... command | 06:27 |
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| procto | hmm, I think a python client will actually work better than a batch script | 06:28 |
| procto | or rather, a shell script | 06:28 |
| procto | ugh | 06:28 |
| procto | too long on windows... | 06:28 |
| procto | I've written the server using twisted | 06:29 |
| procto | that's probably too heavy for the client, right? | 06:29 |
| pupnik_ | dunno... i'm trying to remember where i've seen your nick before | 06:29 |
| procto | my nick? | 06:30 |
| pupnik_ | seems familiar | 06:30 |
| procto | <--Michae1 | 06:30 |
| procto | in case you forgot | 06:30 |
| pupnik_ | yeah alzheimers | 06:31 |
| procto | hehe | 06:32 |
| pupnik_ | i'm going to have to go to the gpx pcsx sources | 06:34 |
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| pupnik_ | so close... :) | 06:34 |
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| procto | ah! nokia research ported twisted! | 06:34 |
| procto | hooray! | 06:34 |
| setite | are there alot of apps for the n800? im on maemo and i only saw a handful of apps in the catalog | 06:35 |
| pupnik_ | they are spread across many websites | 06:35 |
| setite | oh ok | 06:36 |
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| setite | is there no good single place.. doesnt have to be perfect.. just decent... im trying to decide if i want an n800 | 06:36 |
| pupnik_ | setite: the easiest install method is when a website has a green "install" icon | 06:36 |
| setite | im looking for a replacement for my ppc... not a full replacement.. but a web/chat/media replacement... n800 seems good... but im curious what apps are out | 06:37 |
| setite | also.. how is it for a keylock of some sort | 06:37 |
| pupnik_ | the n800 is the best thing in the world if you are already a linux fan | 06:37 |
| setite | if i use it for media it will be in a pocket alot.. my archos seems to die quickly because of the screen registering taps.. | 06:37 |
| setite | im a linux supporter.. not a fan... but i like it.. im still a windozer for the most part | 06:38 |
| setite | but im really liking the n800 | 06:38 |
| setite | been trying to pick one up on ebay but i keep getting sniped | 06:38 |
| pupnik_ | well for chat you've got gaim and xchat (irc) | 06:38 |
| setite | wait a tic | 06:38 |
| setite | those have been ported.. or i can just straight up install them | 06:38 |
| pupnik_ | for media playing you can run almost any file format as long as it's at or below 400x240 | 06:38 |
| setite | it os 07 is what.. debian based? | 06:39 |
| pupnik_ | sort of yes, the package management is apt / dpkg | 06:39 |
| setite | so is it really like a small linux pc | 06:39 |
| pupnik_ | n800 runs IT2007, codename bora | 06:39 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 06:39 |
| setite | like i can actually pop open a terminal, and install any package that will run on the processor, resolution? | 06:39 |
| procto | setite: screen locks easily | 06:40 |
| pupnik_ | the package needs to be compiled against the distribution's libraries | 06:40 |
| setite | ok now for a windozer with only a little windows experience how hard is that | 06:40 |
| qnr-lt | 800x480 if I remember correctly | 06:40 |
| procto | setite: and yes, you just pop open xterm, and apt-get whatcha want | 06:40 |
| setite | i recall reading an app that did that.. i dont recall the name | 06:41 |
| pupnik_ | i'd recommend getting a bluetooth keyboard - typing goodness | 06:41 |
| procto | setite: but the easiest way is to go to http://maemo.org/downloads/ | 06:41 |
| procto | setite: right on your device | 06:41 |
| procto | setite: most applicatiosn will have a big green arrow next to them | 06:41 |
| procto | setite: you click on that, and it installs | 06:41 |
| procto | if you're familiar with Synaptic, it's sorta like that | 06:42 |
| setite | yea the maemo thing i get... but i only found a few apps... i mean like 10-15 when i searched the catalog | 06:42 |
| procto | setite: someone even ported Battle for Wesnoth | 06:42 |
| procto | setite: what sort of apps? | 06:42 |
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| procto | There's much much more | 06:42 |
| setite | procto i actually have none in mind that i need.. i just need to know i can get them if need be.. but i just filtered apps that ran on it07 and found very little.. ill go check again | 06:43 |
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| setite | ok ya.. just filtereing for it07 apps, any license, any status.. i got 9 programs | 06:44 |
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| setite | anyone have a suggestion for an ebay seller? | 06:45 |
| setite | i want to save some money on it... to offset the usb keyboard cost... but with ebay i have, even with powersellers, often had to wait long enough that the price savings were no longer worth it to me | 06:45 |
| setite | i mean on ebay im looking at around 350.... its 431.00 at compusa with sales tax | 06:46 |
| pupnik_ | setite: i would only buy from an authorized nokia reseller, otherwise you may have trouble with return/warranty | 06:46 |
| setite | but so expensive :( | 06:46 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-PC/dp/B000MK4GGM | 06:46 |
| setite | i mean i have a 500gb external drive that i can return that is still under the return policy.. that would offset it a bit | 06:47 |
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| pupnik_ | any lots of people port or compile things to the nokias that aren't finished/polished and don't make it into the repositories. check garage.maemo.org for a bunch of them - or places like muliner.org or http://pupnik.de/software to see WIP type stuff | 06:52 |
| setite | yea i think ill return it.. and buy a box of rewritable dvds for use with my divx ultra dvd player... | 06:52 |
| setite | so that puts my n800 at 265 if i pick it up tomorrow at compusa | 06:52 |
| setite | i should look for a coupon | 06:53 |
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| setite | is compusa autorized reseller? | 06:53 |
| setite | wip? | 06:53 |
| pupnik_ | work in progress | 06:54 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know, i'm not a nokia employee | 06:54 |
| pupnik_ | looks like nokia USA sells direct for $399.99 | 06:54 |
| setite | well if im paying 400 i think ill buy locally | 06:55 |
| setite | i see an ir program.. there is no ir port right? | 06:55 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know of an IR port | 06:55 |
| setite | so im assuming it can run SDIO devices? | 06:55 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com there's the main forums for the tablets | 06:55 |
| setite | sd ir blasters, sd gps? | 06:55 |
| pupnik_ | no idea | 06:56 |
| setite | hey with console i could probably warwalk with this thing :) | 06:56 |
| pupnik_ | you can search the forums | 06:56 |
| pupnik_ | yes it has kismet which is a great scanenr | 06:56 |
| pupnik_ | also the wifi reception is excellent on my n770 - better than most devices i've tried | 06:57 |
| setite | what about a screenlock of some sort | 06:57 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 06:57 |
| setite | or do they make a good case that leaves a gap so nothing can touch the buttons or screen | 06:57 |
| setite | this will be replacing my unreliable archos pmp... i would like to be able to pocket it | 06:57 |
| pupnik_ | oh yes a case i think is important | 06:57 |
| setite | bah why am i picking your brain.. some of this shit is a single google away | 06:58 |
| pupnik_ | yeah darn archos - it's like a peugeot car | 06:58 |
| setite | indeed.. haha peugeot | 06:59 |
| setite | ok here is my real question | 06:59 |
| setite | i see all this talk of uPnP av and shit.. does this thing connect to a samba network over the wifi and stream media from the network? | 06:59 |
| setite | not necessary but damned cool | 06:59 |
| setite | im actually getting the nokia for ebooks above all believe it or not | 07:00 |
| pupnik_ | yeah you can do smb, nfs and there are a bunch of options for streaming | 07:00 |
| setite | to boot up my archos and get into a pdf takes almost 5 minutes | 07:00 |
| pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/results?search_query=n800+streaming | 07:00 |
| setite | and my ppc takes 10-15 minutes to load a .txt, or rtf with a full ebook | 07:00 |
| setite | omfg the nokia is too cheap | 07:01 |
| setite | well wait.. how is it for ebooks | 07:01 |
| setite | how long after i boot before it can load say a 300 page pdf | 07:01 |
| pupnik_ | i hate pdfs and convert them | 07:01 |
| pupnik_ | so i don't know | 07:01 |
| pupnik_ | i think evince or fbreader are the apps people use | 07:01 |
| pupnik_ | but pdf is sick and evil | 07:02 |
| pupnik_ | pdf is slow on my 1ghz p3 | 07:02 |
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| setite | pdf is evil yes... but i never have to worry abotu formatting | 07:02 |
| setite | you have a nokia | 07:02 |
| pupnik_ | a 770 yes | 07:03 |
| pupnik_ | uktube rules. konttori rules. | 07:04 |
| setite | how long does it take for you to load a 400 page book | 07:04 |
| pupnik_ | 1 second, because i convert it to html | 07:05 |
| setite | why html | 07:05 |
| setite | does that hold the formatting well? | 07:05 |
| setite | thats not a bad idea | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | because then i can quickly resize text | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | single button press zoom up / down | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | no but i usally don't give a flying f*** about formatting | 07:06 |
| pupnik_ | i think you can convert to other formats too, text, rtf | 07:06 |
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| whaq_ | hey pupnik_, what do you use to convert pdf to html? | 07:09 |
| qnr-lt | yay my bt keyboard woks | 07:10 |
| qnr-lt | s/woks/works/ | 07:10 |
| infobot | qnr-lt meant: yay my bt keyboard works | 07:10 |
| qnr-lt | now to go install a modula-2/oberon-2 compiler | 07:11 |
| pupnik_ | poppler-utils | 07:12 |
| pupnik_ | it ends up pretty ugly but look at sizes | 07:13 |
| pupnik_ | 39365 2007-08-03 06:06 Shattering_By_Example-V1-03102003s.html | 07:13 |
| pupnik_ | 183651 2006-09-26 15:47 ../Shattering_By_Example-V1-03102003.pdf | 07:13 |
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| setite | so i keep reading that the 770 is a | 07:16 |
| setite | "mostly complete" linux device | 07:17 |
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| setite | what is the mostly complete thing about the OS.. what is it missing | 07:17 |
| pupnik_ | it was marketed and sold as an internet-tablet, which it did quite well | 07:18 |
| pupnik_ | the community software is building slowly - the reviewers usually have no idea what's out there | 07:18 |
| setite | oh yea i know all about the marketing... im glad it was marketing and priced so poorly.. i mean this thing seems to be an actual tablet pc... with linux vs windows... | 07:19 |
| setite | only flaw i see is the usb slave mode... but i read a way around that | 07:19 |
| setite | here is a question | 07:20 |
| setite | i read that you cant run apps from the memory card.. is this true? | 07:20 |
| pupnik_ | it is true with default configuration | 07:21 |
| pupnik_ | but you can do it | 07:21 |
| pupnik_ | you can install a multi-boot loader, and partition your memory card into large partitions for multiple OS installs | 07:22 |
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| setite | multiple os? | 07:23 |
| pupnik_ | yeah i have three operating systems on my 770 right now | 07:23 |
| pupnik_ | one on the internal flash and two on the card | 07:23 |
| qnr | drat no arm version of aranym | 07:25 |
| pupnik_ | what is that? | 07:25 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that that is part of the puzzle collection | 07:25 |
| pupnik_ | modula2? | 07:25 |
| qnr | how does the mmc work? That is waht pretty much convinced me to go for the 800, the ability to use SD cards | 07:26 |
| setite | what os's do you run | 07:26 |
| qnr | modula-2 is a programming language. most people don't know about it or don't like it | 07:26 |
| setite | can i run like slack or something | 07:26 |
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| pupnik_ | i am testing for 2006 and 2007he right now - you can also install openbox or a kde based install | 07:27 |
| qnr | and ARAnyM is runs an Atari ST/Atari TT inside Linux, if that was your question | 07:28 |
| pupnik_ | hah! then run the atari ST emulator 'hatari' :P | 07:28 |
| qnr | yeah, but it boots to the ST, doesn't run an emulator from within another distro | 07:28 |
| qnr | well, not a full-fledged distro, that is | 07:29 |
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| qnr | http://aranym.org/about.html | 07:29 |
| pupnik_ | OMG, cme implemented the xkbd onscreen minimizing feature!!! he rules! he rules! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65137#post65137 | 07:33 |
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| trevarthan | Just checked in a bunch of Kagu changes that reduce memory usage from 39M to 22M on my n800 with a 2G mem card: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/295 | 07:38 |
| trevarthan | It slowed down the scroll widget a bit, but that's ok, I'll get it back up to speed eventually. | 07:39 |
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| trevarthan | Next I'm going to try a dynamic font cache. That aught to get "Loading" times in between views down to a reasonable amount of time. | 07:40 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 07:40 |
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| trevarthan | 22M seems to be what my MicroB browser uses too, so that's perfectly reasonable, I guess. | 07:47 |
| pupnik | sure! | 07:48 |
| pupnik | no sense in running 5 apps at once anyway | 07:48 |
| pupnik | i'm so excited. CME implemented my hiding/maximizing suggestion for xkbd exactly as i hoped | 07:49 |
| pupnik | this rules so much | 07:49 |
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| trevarthan | oh yeah? what's xkbd? Who is CME? | 08:04 |
| pupnik | a virtual keyboard that sends normal X key events | 08:11 |
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| trevarthan | well, good evening folks. I'm off to bed. | 08:12 |
| pupnik | i've been putzing with them for a while for a way to enter text to Dosbox, Scummvm, Freesci, POSE PalmOS emulator etc. But CME just added a minimize/restore feature to the keyboard. So now for the first time a whole slew of apps can get key input | 08:13 |
| pupnik | ok | 08:13 |
| trevarthan | hrmmm... why couldn't they get key input with the normal OSD kb? | 08:13 |
| pupnik | virtual keyboard for links2 web browser, scummvm, dosbox, freesci, exult, http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 08:14 |
| pupnik | A) the stock kbd is not raisable on fullscreen xlib or sdl games, and b) it doesn't send regular X key events (afaict) | 08:14 |
| trevarthan | ah. thus the "hildonize" comment. cool. | 08:15 |
| zuh | The input method is gtk-dependant to get some interaction with widgets (IIRC that was the reason) | 08:15 |
| pupnik | yes | 08:15 |
| trevarthan | well, seriously. I'm out. later peeps. | 08:15 |
| pupnik | and it's a perfectly sensible design choice by nokia. | 08:15 |
| pupnik | ok cheers! congrats on the memory improvement! | 08:16 |
| setite | whats a good app that will make data unrecoverable | 08:21 |
| setite | i want to make sure that this external drive is fully clean | 08:22 |
| Vertoo | just googke for somethimg that provides a double overwrite | 08:23 |
| pupnik | shred, wipe | 08:23 |
| Vertoo | pupnik, whats this about a new app? i just got here | 08:23 |
| pupnik | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1M will also do a fair job of wiping drive sda | 08:24 |
| pupnik | Vertoo: virtual keyboard for non-hildon apps | 08:24 |
| Vertoo | shred/wipe are bad searches since your not doing either of those things. get double overwrite | 08:24 |
| setite | hey pupnik | 08:24 |
| _Monkey | i think pupnik is stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry | 08:24 |
| setite | sorry if i missed the answer earlier.. what are the other two os's on your 770 | 08:24 |
| pupnik | two versions of 2006 and one of 2007he | 08:25 |
| setite | anyone had success running a non IT os on the nokia | 08:25 |
| setite | i imagine the hardware might be too proprietary for that.. but hey im a noob... so i have to ask | 08:25 |
| pupnik | yes people have | 08:26 |
| setite | im a noob to linux sorta.. and totally noob to embedded devices | 08:26 |
| setite | cool.. know off hand a site where i can find the reports? | 08:26 |
| Vertoo | google =) | 08:26 |
| unique311 | name of the classic game where its like 9 squares of a scramble picture and you have to put the picture back together.. | 08:26 |
| unique311 | a little handheld device.. | 08:27 |
| pupnik | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia800/ setite, there's one | 08:28 |
| pupnik | i forgot unique311 | 08:28 |
| unique311 | slides puzzle | 08:29 |
| pupnik | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ | 08:29 |
| pupnik | that site has it and calles it 'sixteen' | 08:29 |
| unique311 | a friend of mines made a flash version of this | 08:29 |
| setite | anyone know us brick and mortars that sell pda style bluetooth keyboards? | 08:30 |
| setite | its plays xvid/divx right?... i mean i know it said mpeg4.. but i never knew if that specifically meant divx/xvid | 08:31 |
| pupnik | mplayer does divx/xvid - dunno about other players | 08:31 |
| setite | framerates good | 08:33 |
| setite | like if im used to an archos.. i wont be disappointed? | 08:33 |
| pupnik | no idea | 08:33 |
| Vertoo | mpeg4 is the divx/xvid codec. if you want to play your xvid/divx avi files and the sort you will nees mpeg4 always | 08:33 |
| pupnik | incorrect | 08:34 |
| pupnik | depends on the player | 08:34 |
| Vertoo | streaming video in the n800 browser is very lacking | 08:34 |
| pupnik | yes streaming | 08:34 |
| pupnik | http://youtube.com/results?search_query=n800+streaming | 08:35 |
| Vertoo | yes the player, as if it has mpeg4 or not. ive never once heard of any player that has the mpeg4 codec and couldn't play my xvid avi movies | 08:36 |
| setite | haha yes im there pupnik.. on youtube that is | 08:36 |
| setite | i saw hitchhikers guide to teh galaxy which i presume is divx | 08:36 |
| pupnik | Vertoo: if mpeg is a codec, than what are xvid and divx? | 08:37 |
| setite | i was impressed withthe tracking speed | 08:37 |
| setite | yea thats where i get confused | 08:37 |
| setite | because i recall when divx rolled out needed a codec for divx, and also one for xvid | 08:37 |
| pupnik | right | 08:37 |
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| zuh | mpeg4 is a standard, divx and xvid are implementations of that standard (which may or may not be compatible) | 08:41 |
| pupnik | unique311: the gimp version that works like photoshop is called 'gimpshop' | 08:43 |
| unique311 | i know.. | 08:43 |
| pupnik | k | 08:43 |
| unique311 | remember we tried porting it to maemo | 08:43 |
| pupnik | oh i forgot | 08:44 |
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| * pupnik wonders why he doesn't have a deb for it | 08:46 | |
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| setite | im sorry.. did you just say you tried to port a photo editor to maemo? | 08:50 |
| pupnik | yeah i think unique got a reasonably working one | 08:50 |
| Vertoo | pupnik, i stand corrected on the mpeg4 thing. but have you used anything to better your streaming media? uktube and orb have been mentioned | 08:50 |
| setite | why, in the name of the buddha, would you do that... is this so paparazzi can upload fake nipslips quicker? | 08:51 |
| pupnik | not really Vertoo | 08:51 |
| pupnik | setite: something to sketch with the stylus would be nice | 08:52 |
| pupnik | i think tuxpaint is out... | 08:52 |
| Vertoo | isnt there a bui;t in draw pad? | 08:52 |
| pupnik | you can also sketch in maemopad+... and mtpaint works somewhat | 08:52 |
| * timelyx wonders if inz saw comment | 08:52 | |
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| Vertoo | theres a bui;t in app called sketch | 08:53 |
| Vertoo | built* | 08:53 |
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| pupnik | i've got my own needs for a sketch proggie | 08:59 |
| theefer | any mindmapping app, by any chance? | 09:01 |
| pupnik | http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/ | 09:03 |
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| pupnik | unfortunately that's qt- based i think | 09:04 |
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| theefer | it looks like it | 09:04 |
| theefer | no qt app works on 770/n800? | 09:05 |
| pupnik | it's easiest to port gtk2 programs | 09:05 |
| pupnik | you must be german | 09:06 |
| pupnik | germans are nuts about mind-mapper software | 09:06 |
| unique311 | pupnik, http://www.sourcefiles.org/Games/Puzzle/Jigsa/scalar-1.02-src.tar.bz2 | 09:07 |
| unique311 | can you try this out for me.. | 09:07 |
| unique311 | i get a segfault.. | 09:07 |
| unique311 | it compiles no problems | 09:07 |
| unique311 | pupnik, http://www.sourcefiles.org/Games/Puzzle/Jigsaw/scalar-1.02-src.tar.bz2 | 09:08 |
| theefer | pupnik: I'm Swiss, but French speaking, so not really ;-) | 09:08 |
| pupnik | hehe ok :) | 09:08 |
| theefer | pupnik: but yeah I love mindmapping and I hate all mindmapping software I've come accross :-) | 09:08 |
| pupnik | i can't get that file unique311 | 09:08 |
| unique311 | pupnik, http://www.sourcefiles.org/Games/Puzzle/Jigsaw/scalar-1.02-src.tar.bz2 | 09:08 |
| unique311 | second link | 09:08 |
| _Monkey | second link is edje, which is just pygame on crack, as far as I know. | 09:08 |
| unique311 | getting tired of these seg faults.. | 09:09 |
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| pupnik | did you get an error message unique311 ? | 09:10 |
| unique311 | sdl parachute deployed | 09:11 |
| unique311 | fatal signal | 09:11 |
| pupnik | same here | 09:11 |
| unique311 | you think its becuase of sound | 09:11 |
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| unique311 | are you getting the alsa lib error before the seg fualt | 09:12 |
| pupnik | no | 09:13 |
| pupnik | ok the segfault was caused because it didn't find the data directory | 09:14 |
| unique311 | ok | 09:14 |
| pupnik | just copied over ./images and ./data and it runs here | 09:14 |
| unique311 | so most of my freaking apps that segfault might be working.. | 09:15 |
| unique311 | danm | 09:15 |
| unique311 | i have a directory of games that segfault on me. | 09:15 |
| unique311 | is it a good game. | 09:15 |
| pupnik | if you run strace ./scalar you can get some info about the function calls it's making and where it's crashing | 09:16 |
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| unique311 | k | 09:16 |
| unique311 | data and images to where | 09:16 |
| unique311 | $HOME | 09:16 |
| pupnik | yes | 09:17 |
| pupnik | and scalar in home too | 09:17 |
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| pupnik | (strace is how i found out it was crashing looking for the data files) | 09:18 |
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| unique311 | that didn't work for me... | 09:19 |
| unique311 | seems like the segfault is still after the ALSO lib error | 09:20 |
| unique311 | www.pastebin.ca/644047 | 09:22 |
| unique311 | what is it segfaulting on? | 09:23 |
| pupnik | in it2006 2.2 i have libasound2 1.0.8-3 (apt-cache show libasound2) | 09:23 |
| pupnik | waitpid(21813, ALSA lib pcm.c:2061:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_alsa_dsp.so | 09:24 |
| unique311 | always the same for all th esegfaults | 09:24 |
| pupnik | i don't have a bora device, but on gregale there is no /usr/lib/alsa-lib | 09:25 |
| unique311 | change permissionon that | 09:25 |
| _Monkey | unique311: that doesn't look right | 09:25 |
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| unique311 | change permission on the shared library | 09:25 |
| unique311 | ? | 09:25 |
| _Monkey | unique311: that doesn't look right | 09:25 |
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| unique311 | monkey chill out | 09:25 |
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| pupnik | looks like you're running in scratchbox | 09:26 |
| pupnik | do you get the same error on the n800? | 09:26 |
| unique311 | never tried.. | 09:27 |
| unique311 | figure if i'm segfaulting in scratchbox... | 09:27 |
| unique311 | something is wrong with the compilation | 09:27 |
| unique311 | so screw it | 09:27 |
| pupnik | no | 09:27 |
| pupnik | always test on the device | 09:27 |
| pupnik | if you're doing stuff with sound and graphics | 09:27 |
| unique311 | so i'm going to try to fix this | 09:27 |
| unique311 | i don't have that folder either | 09:28 |
| pupnik | well it runs in scratchbox here too | 09:28 |
| pupnik | ahhh | 09:29 |
| unique311 | need to find pcm.c | 09:29 |
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| pupnik | well the Makefile doesn't link directly to alsa-sound | 09:31 |
| pupnik | so it must be getting linked-in by libsdl-mixer1.2-dev | 09:32 |
| unique311 | pcm seems to have the wrong location for the share library.. | 09:32 |
| unique311 | i can find the share library. | 09:32 |
| pupnik | ah? | 09:32 |
| _Monkey | ah is just links | 09:32 |
| unique311 | and fix pcm.c | 09:32 |
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| pupnik | problems loading .so are related to linking | 09:36 |
| unique311 | that file is nowhere to be found. | 09:38 |
| unique311 | it should be linked to libasound | 09:39 |
| pupnik | yeah do you have libasound2 installed in scratchbox? | 09:39 |
| pupnik | and libasound2-dev? | 09:39 |
| unique311 | yes | 09:39 |
| unique311 | create the folder alsa-lib | 09:39 |
| pupnik | i think you might need the -dev too | 09:39 |
| unique311 | both installed | 09:40 |
| unique311 | going to make the alsa-lib folder | 09:40 |
| pupnik | well if you do that in scratcbox, it won't solve the situation on people's n800s | 09:40 |
| pupnik | but you can sure try it | 09:40 |
| unique311 | and then the symlink to libsound.so.0 | 09:40 |
| unique311 | lol | 09:40 |
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| pupnik | i don't see a libasound_module_pcm_alsa_dsp.so anywhere | 09:41 |
| unique311 | but like you said its a symlink... | 09:42 |
| unique311 | pcm.c thinks its located in /usr/lib | 09:42 |
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| pupnik | i don't see why it's trying to open that | 09:43 |
| pupnik | here's what my build of scalar gets linked to | 09:43 |
| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/644064 | 09:43 |
| unique311 | i get the same | 09:45 |
| pupnik | so maybe libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 is mixed up | 09:48 |
| pupnik | that's the only sound-related library that gets linked to the program | 09:48 |
| pupnik | or maybe your ldconfig just needs updating | 09:49 |
| pupnik | but that would be strange too | 09:49 |
| pupnik | (running ldconfig command rescans your libraries) | 09:49 |
| pupnik | my god, this new xkbd is awesome! it's awesome! | 09:51 |
| * pupnik plays with xkbd+dosbox | 09:51 | |
| timelyx | what's the new xkbd do? | 09:55 |
| pupnik | it can hide and restore itself | 09:55 |
| pupnik | s/hide/iconify/ | 09:55 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: it can iconify and restore itself | 09:55 |
| pupnik | and it's got a fantastic new layout | 09:56 |
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| pupnik | timelyx: http://pupnik.de/xkbd_iconify.gif xkbd virtual keyboard running over dosbox :) :) | 10:12 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, that works with all emu's? | 10:15 |
| pupnik | i'm testing them now | 10:16 |
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| unique311 | i gave up on scratchbox. | 10:16 |
| unique311 | uninstalling it and reinstalling it 2morrow | 10:17 |
| pupnik | or reinstall another armel 3.0 target and compare the fresh one to the one you have | 10:17 |
| unique311 | true | 10:17 |
| X-Fade_ | Amazing.. Nokia sold more than 100M mobile phones in 3 months.. 1.5M N95 for example. Too bad they don't show the numbers for N800. | 10:25 |
| disq | the tablets are probably too low to show off | 10:30 |
| disq | what's the url for the sales figures? | 10:31 |
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| X-Fade_ | http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1143589 | 10:32 |
| moox | hi guys ! Is skype working using the hacked edition of OS07 ? | 10:32 |
| disq | afaik no | 10:33 |
| disq | the codecs have to be rewritten for the 770 cpu so they didn't (gah) | 10:33 |
| moox | and they are closed source I guess | 10:33 |
| disq | it's skype, so yeah | 10:34 |
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| moox | so what are the real benefits to get the os07 on the 770 ? | 10:34 |
| disq | the os07 is better and faster in a lot of ways, though i didn't use one on the 770 so don't know what features really work and what doesn't | 10:37 |
| disq | you could try reading up on the ITT | 10:37 |
| disq | ITT? | 10:37 |
| _Monkey | i guess ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 10:37 |
| jsmanrique | I think it is better, but faster? | 10:37 |
| jsmanrique | n800 is faster than 770, that could make software be faster esaily | 10:38 |
| disq | afaik the code and the API's are much more optimized | 10:38 |
| jsmanrique | maybe | 10:38 |
| disq | also better thumb kb | 10:38 |
| jsmanrique | I didn't know about that | 10:41 |
| jsmanrique | but sure that last Dates app run well :-) | 10:42 |
| pupnik | the stylus tapping sound is cooler too | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
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| jsmanrique | morning | 10:53 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:53 |
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| VladDrac | so what's the deal with os07 on 770? Does it work? Where can I read about it? | 11:00 |
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| X-Fade_ | VladDrac: http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:13 |
| disq | _Monkey: os2007on770? | 11:16 |
| _Monkey | disq: no idea | 11:16 |
| disq | _Monkey: os2007on770 is at http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:16 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 11:16 |
| disq | _Monkey: os07 on 770 is at http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:16 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 11:16 |
| disq | good monkey | 11:16 |
| disq | or _Monkey | 11:16 |
| _Monkey | i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 11:16 |
| disq | lol | 11:17 |
| amr | woo, my 770 is here | 11:23 |
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| pupnik | moin red-zack | 11:31 |
| pupnik | there are some issues with xkbd-m, fullscreen SDL seems to be incompatible | 11:32 |
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| VladDrac | nice. | 11:39 |
| amr | whats the first thing i should do ideally with my 770 | 11:39 |
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| VladDrac | what are the main advantages of os07 over 06? | 11:39 |
| VladDrac | amr: charge it ;) | 11:39 |
| amr | i am doing that :P | 11:39 |
| amr | software wise i mean | 11:39 |
| amr | im lookin into changing my sources.list file | 11:39 |
| amr | then probably xterm, becomeroot, dropbear ssh server | 11:40 |
| pupnik | exactly correct | 11:40 |
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| amr | cool, what about booting from the mmc when my 1gb one gets here | 11:40 |
| amr | is there any need or can i use it as it is | 11:41 |
| milhouse | one step at a time young amr... :) | 11:41 |
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| milhouse | personally no need unless you want or have a need to dual boot | 11:41 |
| pupnik | there are some advantages, but i was happy without it too | 11:42 |
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| milhouse | i'm not really sure why so many 770 newbies go for the mmc option | 11:42 |
| disq | the promise of speed? | 11:42 |
| milhouse | promise is all it is | 11:43 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:43 |
| pupnik | also, the onboard space looks really small to people who are used to desktop linux | 11:43 |
| milhouse | in most casers | 11:43 |
| milhouse | s/casers/cases/ | 11:43 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: in most cases | 11:43 |
| milhouse | unless they install the high speed kernel as well | 11:43 |
| milhouse | i mean what's wrong with just enjoying it for a while? ;) | 11:43 |
| amr | i had no real intention to, i saw a bunch of posts on itt raving about it so i figured that was the done thing | 11:44 |
| amr | exactly! :-) | 11:44 |
| pupnik | this new vkbd will trash my productivity. it's tooo fun to play in dosbox now | 11:44 |
| milhouse | i never managed to fill my 770's internal flash... but then i probably reflashed it every 2 months and didn't go mad installing stuff | 11:44 |
| amr | my internet must be slow, its taking ages to get xterm | 11:44 |
| milhouse | amr: my recommendation would be to install Fanoush's high speed kernel, but pass on the MMC option until you have a need for it | 11:45 |
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| disq | yeah | 11:45 |
| amr | ok, im assuming there are how-tos on the wiki for that? | 11:46 |
| amr | i've got os2006 3.2006.49-2, do i need to update that too? | 11:46 |
| disq | you won't have to reinstall everything when you decide to go the mmc boot way btw, so it's ok to keep it for later. unlike regular firmware updates | 11:46 |
| amr | oh cool | 11:47 |
| Robot101 | hmm, people seem quite excited by pidgin on maemo | 11:48 |
| * Robot101 is more excited by tp-haze, the Telepathy backend that uses Pidgin's libpurple | 11:48 | |
| Robot101 | then you can use all of those protocols built-in to the device's IM/Presence stuff | 11:49 |
| disq | oooh | 11:49 |
| milhouse | amr: fanoushs kernel... you can search the itt forums but if you have a linux pc it's a piece of cake. The 770 high speed kernel is here: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus | 11:49 |
| amr | :-/ download failed on xterm | 11:49 |
| Robot101 | maybe I should get someone to do packages and stuff :) | 11:49 |
| amr | cool thanks milhouse | 11:49 |
| milhouse | amr: 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date | 11:50 |
| disq | amr: if you don't have a usb-working linux pc (mine's on vmware, usb somehow doesn't work) there's a in-device flasher somewhere in there too | 11:50 |
| milhouse | disq is correct, although having a linux pc (even a live cd distro) is a lot, lot easier and more useful in the long run | 11:50 |
| disq | true | 11:51 |
| amr | sweet | 11:51 |
| amr | i have a mac, dunno if that counts for anything :P | 11:51 |
| milhouse | i often wonder when reading the itt forum why people mess around with the built in flasher (and whine when it doesn't work) when it's a lot easier to download something like Damn Small Linux and occasionally boot it when flashing or setting device options... | 11:52 |
| milhouse | amr: Intel or PowerPC MAC? | 11:52 |
| amr | yeah | 11:52 |
| amr | intel | 11:53 |
| milhouse | you should be ok with any old x86 live cd distribution | 11:53 |
| amr | sweet, im sure i have a ubuntu cd around somewhere | 11:53 |
| milhouse | i don't think nokia have released a Mac OSX x86 flasher - only ppc. mind you, will that run on x86 under emulation? | 11:55 |
| amr | yeah that will be fine | 11:55 |
| milhouse | btw you can download the flasher binaries here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 11:55 |
| amr | thanks | 11:55 |
| milhouse | so you may not need a live cd at all :) | 11:56 |
| amr | do i want the flasher-2.0 with 2006se support? | 11:56 |
| amr | whats the se? | 11:56 |
| milhouse | standard edition? not really sure | 11:56 |
| milhouse | maybe supported edition! | 11:56 |
| amr | lol | 11:56 |
| milhouse | (as HE means Hacker Edition which has no support) | 11:57 |
| amr | haha yeah i read about that | 11:57 |
| milhouse | yes, flasher-2.0.macosx is what you need | 11:57 |
| milhouse | there's no flasher-3 for mac (x86 or ppc) | 11:57 |
| amr | hm, it doesnt appear to be working | 11:57 |
| amr | it downloads a 189kb file of garbage basically | 11:58 |
| milhouse | can't help you there... never used a mac browser. | 11:58 |
| amr | oh wait, might have worked | 11:58 |
| milhouse | heck, never used a mac... | 11:58 |
| milhouse | :) | 11:58 |
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| amr | i think i opened it before it finished, for some reason im getting 3kbs speeds | 11:59 |
| amr | nope, still doesnt work | 11:59 |
| amr | maybe i will have to grab the other flasher | 11:59 |
| amr | :-( doesnt work either | 11:59 |
| pupnik | ping maemo.org timing out here | 12:02 |
| amr | looks like i will be booting from a livecd then :P | 12:02 |
| amr | download failed again on xterm :-/ | 12:02 |
| amr | will that be why? | 12:02 |
| pupnik | dunono.. http worked fine | 12:03 |
| milhouse | what's the error? | 12:03 |
| milhouse | in application manager go to Tools -> Log to see the log | 12:03 |
| amr | just 'download failed' | 12:04 |
| amr | failed to fetch from maemo-hacks.org | 12:05 |
| amr | timed out | 12:05 |
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| milhouse | unfortunately maemo-hacks.org isn't terribly reliable... you'll have to try later and hope it's up | 12:05 |
| amr | ah | 12:06 |
| amr | well i installed dropbear | 12:06 |
| pupnik | maemo-hackers | 12:06 |
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| pupnik | not maemo-hacks | 12:06 |
| amr | thats what i meant | 12:06 |
| amr | mybad | 12:06 |
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| milhouse | maemo-hackers.org seems to be up and available... | 12:09 |
| amr | hey, im on the installing screen now | 12:11 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:18 |
| amr | which is the best way i should fix root | 12:20 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 12:21 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 12:21 |
| pupnik | that's how i diddided it | 12:22 |
| amr | ah | 12:22 |
| amr | thanks | 12:22 |
| amr | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D | 12:23 |
| amr | couldnt find package becomeroot | 12:23 |
| pupnik | bah | 12:26 |
| amr | what did i do wrong :-( | 12:26 |
| pupnik | my error | 12:26 |
| amr | oh | 12:26 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 12:27 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 12:27 |
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| pupnik | it was /etc/apt/sources.list not /var/cache/apt/sources.list | 12:27 |
| amr | whoops | 12:30 |
| amr | woah i can't find the hyphen sign on the keyboard | 12:30 |
| amr | oh im an idiot nevermind, its next to the 0 | 12:30 |
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| milhouse | amr: did you add the repository http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user to your app manager? you should then see becomeroot listed | 12:31 |
| amr | yes i just did now | 12:31 |
| amr | installing now | 12:31 |
| syntux | guys, I guess I have problem in my N800 and I don't know how to diagnose it, I'm not able to make calls with skype for more than 10 minutes and then the whole device just freeze and the only available option is to reboot it. | 12:31 |
| syntux | any idea? | 12:31 |
| milhouse | syntux - you're not the only one | 12:32 |
| milhouse | check the itt forums, been reported there. not sure if it's been logged in the skype bug tracking system. | 12:32 |
| syntux | milhouse, oh and any solution ? is it skype related or Nokai ? | 12:32 |
| syntux | nokia | 12:32 |
| milhouse | not sure - there's no solution as yet to my knowledge. | 12:32 |
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| syntux | hmm maybe I should try with Gizmo; that would give an idea if it's Nokia or Skype | 12:33 |
| amr | ok so there are no software upgrades i need to do for the os are there | 12:34 |
| amr | just flash to a fast kernel | 12:34 |
| milhouse | yep | 12:34 |
| amr | sweet | 12:34 |
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| syntux | guys, do you know any calendar that can sync with google cal ? for n800 ? | 12:36 |
| Robot101 | syntux: does it happen with gtalk? | 12:37 |
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| syntux | Robot101, was calling some land phones and I didn't try gtalk yet | 12:37 |
| Robot101 | failures proportional to call length suggest memory leaks | 12:37 |
| milhouse | syntux: skype thread discussing the problem here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=59763#post59763 | 12:37 |
| milhouse | not much discussion exactly - just one other report | 12:38 |
| syntux | milhouse, thank you | 12:38 |
| syntux | Robot101, well, I have the default 128 + swaped 128 | 12:38 |
| syntux | and only skype was running | 12:38 |
| syntux | so if that amount of RAM wont be enough for a small device what would be enough then | 12:39 |
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| amr | i did that becomeroot thing | 12:39 |
| amr | but that still means i can becomeroot by ssh doesnt it | 12:39 |
| Robot101 | it's not about if it's enough, if it's about whether the program is using up far more memory than it's meant to due to a bug :) | 12:39 |
| amr | log in directly | 12:40 |
| milhouse | amr: yes, you can still login as root/rootme using ssh | 12:40 |
| amr | if i change the root password that wont affect me doing sudo gainroot will it? | 12:41 |
| milhouse | personally i just setup a public/private key for user so that i can login as user, and sudo whenever i need root | 12:41 |
| milhouse | amr: no | 12:41 |
| amr | sweet | 12:41 |
| milhouse | amr: no, it won't affect gainroot | 12:41 |
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| syntux | hmm, whats the default browser in n800 ? is it opera? | 13:08 |
| milhouse | y | 13:08 |
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| amr | hm | 13:19 |
| amr | dropbear server seems to have crashed on me | 13:19 |
| * milhouse mutters dropbear is a pile of .... | 13:21 | |
| milhouse | type this as root to fix dropbear: apt-get remove dropbear; apt-get install ssh | 13:21 |
| milhouse | ;) | 13:21 |
| amr | haha | 13:22 |
| amr | how come dropbear is recommended? | 13:22 |
| milhouse | uh.. where? | 13:22 |
| amr | i was just told by others to use that | 13:22 |
| milhouse | i'd hazzard a guess whatever documentation recommends dropbear is quite old, possibly pre-dating openssh | 13:22 |
| amr | ah | 13:23 |
| milhouse | it's subjective, but i prefer openssh | 13:23 |
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| amr | handily i dont see openssh or ssh | 13:25 |
| milhouse | you won't see it listed in the app manager | 13:26 |
| milhouse | (unless you enable red pill mode) | 13:26 |
| amr | oh | 13:26 |
| amr | red pill mode? | 13:26 |
| milhouse | just sudo gainroot then apt-get install ssh | 13:26 |
| amr | ok | 13:26 |
| milhouse | remove dropbear first though | 13:26 |
| amr | done | 13:26 |
| amr | um | 13:27 |
| amr | error: some packages could not be authenticatefd | 13:28 |
| milhouse | fine, enter "Y" | 13:28 |
| amr | it didnt give me an option to | 13:28 |
| milhouse | er... error? | 13:28 |
| milhouse | normally it's a warning | 13:28 |
| amr | warning the following packages cannot be authenticated! | 13:29 |
| amr | ssh | 13:29 |
| amr | install this packages without verification [y/N]? E: some packages could not be authenticated | 13:29 |
| milhouse | hmmm | 13:29 |
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| amr | oh hold on, i ran it again and it let me say yes | 13:29 |
| milhouse | k | 13:29 |
| amr | was probably me knocking something | 13:30 |
| amr | are the errors with debconf normal | 13:30 |
| milhouse | you shouldn't get any errors... | 13:30 |
| amr | debconf falling back to front end: teletype. no usable dialog like program is installed so the dialog based front not be used | 13:31 |
| milhouse | oh right, yes... that should be ok | 13:31 |
| amr | oh good | 13:31 |
| syntux | anyone from canada btw ? | 13:35 |
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| amr | ssh is just stuck after asking me for my password | 13:38 |
| amr | it took a while to ask for it too, its just sat there | 13:38 |
| amr | logging in locally works | 13:40 |
| amr | over ssh | 13:40 |
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| milhouse | who are you logging in as on the remote machine? | 13:41 |
| milhouse | root or user? | 13:41 |
| amr | user | 13:42 |
| milhouse | user has no password | 13:42 |
| amr | its loaded now, finally | 13:42 |
| amr | i set one | 13:42 |
| milhouse | ah ok | 13:42 |
| amr | its sat at the prompt and not accepting input | 13:42 |
| * milhouse thinks that setting a password on user is less secure than the default | 13:42 | |
| amr | why? | 13:42 |
| milhouse | think about it | 13:43 |
| amr | i must be missing something | 13:43 |
| milhouse | by default, the user account doesn't have a password | 13:43 |
| milhouse | so how would you brute force login as user? | 13:43 |
| milhouse | answer: you wouldn't | 13:44 |
| amr | good point | 13:44 |
| milhouse | guess what, you've set a password... | 13:44 |
| milhouse | :) | 13:44 |
| amr | well thats not the problem at the minute | 13:44 |
| syntux | milhouse, hmm but there is a password for root after flashing it | 13:44 |
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| milhouse | indeed, which you can change or disable | 13:44 |
| milhouse | the securest method is to ssh using public/private keys | 13:44 |
| syntux | exactly | 13:45 |
| syntux | but one can do middle machine :D | 13:45 |
| milhouse | one could... but i might also win the lottery this weekend | 13:46 |
| milhouse | ;) | 13:46 |
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| syntux | milhouse, promise me to invite me for pizza if you won | 13:46 |
| syntux | :p | 13:46 |
| milhouse | i promise :) | 13:46 |
| amr | should i try removing and installing ssh again? | 13:47 |
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| syntux | amr, no wait, I'm looking for something might help you | 13:47 |
| amr | ok cool thanks | 13:47 |
| syntux | there should be a way to speed up host lookup | 13:47 |
| syntux | wait | 13:47 |
| milhouse | can you ping your device from the remote box? | 13:48 |
| pupnik | load-applet-run is my favorite thing ever now | 13:48 |
| amr | no :-/ | 13:48 |
| amr | i used to be able to | 13:48 |
| milhouse | no you can't ping your 770? | 13:48 |
| amr | no i cant | 13:48 |
| milhouse | that's not good... | 13:48 |
| amr | excellent.. :/ | 13:48 |
| amr | what do i do | 13:48 |
| milhouse | do you have any firewall issues? | 13:48 |
| amr | no | 13:49 |
| milhouse | what's your remote machine - a mac isn't it? | 13:49 |
| amr | yes | 13:49 |
| syntux | sorry, my idea wont work amr | 13:49 |
| amr | oh ok nevermind then | 13:49 |
| amr | thanks though | 13:49 |
| milhouse | amr: your 770 has a valid ip address on your local network right? | 13:49 |
| amr | yeah, its a static one | 13:50 |
| amr | i can access the internet fine | 13:50 |
| milhouse | on your mac you should be able to ping it by running ping in a terminal session | 13:50 |
| amr | i tried | 13:50 |
| milhouse | something is stuffed up then | 13:51 |
| milhouse | probably explains why ssh isn't behaving | 13:51 |
| amr | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.20: icmp_seq=16 ttl=64 time=868.066 ms | 13:51 |
| amr | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.20: icmp_seq=17 ttl=64 time=2.081 ms | 13:51 |
| amr | it responded | 13:51 |
| milhouse | try rebooting your 770 just for laughs | 13:51 |
| milhouse | good | 13:51 |
| milhouse | so, back on the mac... | 13:51 |
| milhouse | ssh -l root 192.168.0.20 | 13:52 |
| milhouse | what happens? still hangs? | 13:52 |
| amr | its opened now and ive got a shell | 13:52 |
| amr | cant enter any commands however | 13:52 |
| milhouse | so you have the root prompt # ? | 13:52 |
| amr | yes, but i cant enter or type anything | 13:53 |
| milhouse | hmmm | 13:53 |
| amr | shall i try the reboot | 13:53 |
| milhouse | might as well - i don't know what else to suggest right now | 13:53 |
| syntux | http://bakkouz.net/2007/08/03/how-to-be-the-perfect-girlfriend/ LoL this is amazing | 13:54 |
| amr | what do you know, it works | 13:55 |
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| milhouse | hurrah. :) | 13:55 |
| amr | how bizarre was that | 13:56 |
| milhouse | almost PC-ish | 13:56 |
| amr | lol | 13:56 |
| amr | now ive forgotten what i was trying to do lol | 13:57 |
| syntux | you were trying to install Windows 95 SP2 on your Nokia N800. | 13:58 |
| syntux | :p | 13:58 |
| amr | lol | 13:58 |
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| Fatal | been there done that, couldn't find where to insert the boot floppy, so I gave up | 13:58 |
| syntux | any of you can see the future? | 13:59 |
| syntux | I wonder if we'll be able to run windows LongHorn using Vmware on Nokia N91783212 | 13:59 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 14:10 |
| amr | oh dear, guess whats stopped working again | 14:11 |
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| amr | 299 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss | 14:16 |
| milhouse | so ping has died too? | 14:16 |
| amr | yeah | 14:16 |
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| milhouse | sounds like a general network/routing issue | 14:16 |
| milhouse | at least it's not specific to ssh | 14:16 |
| amr | hm, could be my router | 14:17 |
| amr | i know its playing up a bit at times | 14:17 |
| milhouse | apple express thingy? | 14:17 |
| amr | no its a wrt54g linksys | 14:17 |
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| milhouse | oh a quality router then :) | 14:17 |
| milhouse | i've got a wrt54gs | 14:17 |
| amr | its crap, ive got the stripped version | 14:17 |
| milhouse | mind you i don't run stock linksys firmware | 14:17 |
| amr | its limited to hell | 14:17 |
| milhouse | get dd-wrt or openwrt firmware :) | 14:18 |
| milhouse | as long as it's not a recent version you can do plenty with it | 14:18 |
| milhouse | version 1-4 were golden | 14:18 |
| amr | its v5 :-( | 14:19 |
| milhouse | can still be flashed with after market firmware | 14:20 |
| milhouse | but much less onboard memory | 14:20 |
| amr | oh, nice | 14:20 |
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| pupnik | i have a new cool thing | 14:32 |
| gla55 | teaser | 14:33 |
| pupnik | just a minute | 14:33 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif gla55 - xkbd layout for dosbox - non-blocking | 14:40 |
| gla55 | nice | 14:42 |
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| pupnik | ok so i forgot the 'i' key | 14:47 |
| inz | no one needs that anyway | 14:47 |
| pupnik | oh there it is | 14:47 |
| inz | right in it's place | 14:48 |
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| pupnik | still need to figure out what's wrong with fullscreen/mouse apps | 14:55 |
| guardian | hiu maemo | 14:56 |
| pupnik | vhi | 14:58 |
| pupnik | each keyboard layout has its own menu shortcut now :) | 15:01 |
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| amr | is the built in mail app pretty slow? | 15:13 |
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| disq | it's rather useless | 15:14 |
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| amr | really? | 15:14 |
| inz | really. | 15:14 |
| amr | i was just going to use it so i can get at my important mail | 15:14 |
| amr | set up forwards for certain addresses | 15:15 |
| amr | but its been sat on connecting for the past 5 mintues | 15:15 |
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| amr | oh well | 15:16 |
| amr | guess no mail for me | 15:16 |
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| gw280 | what's the name of the browser binary? | 15:34 |
| zuh | "browser" | 15:35 |
| gw280 | odd, apt says osso-browser-interface is installed, and yet I don't seem to hae that binary | 15:35 |
| zuh | in scratchbox? | 15:35 |
| gw280 | yes | 15:36 |
| amr | :-/ trying to download an rtf file and ive tried saving it to the mmc and into mydocs | 15:36 |
| zuh | gw280: It's not supposed to be, since opera doesn't allow that | 15:36 |
| amr | using browser, but it doesnt save at all | 15:36 |
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| gw280 | zuh: doesn't allow what? | 15:36 |
| gw280 | zuh: in any case, what about the microb browser? | 15:36 |
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| zuh | It's all about licensing, the wart in software world's buttocks | 15:38 |
| zuh | microb was the new mozilla-based? | 15:38 |
| zuh | hmm | 15:38 |
| gw280 | yes | 15:38 |
| zuh | actually, I'm not sure if the browser binary should be affected after all. It's the engine part that is closed anyway... | 15:39 |
| gw280 | indeed | 15:40 |
| zuh | But I don't thing Nokia provides any of the closed source apps for the SDK, not even in the binaries package | 15:40 |
| zuh | *think | 15:41 |
| gw280 | hrmmmm | 15:41 |
| gw280 | hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 15:42 |
| gw280 | arseblankets | 15:42 |
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| amr | does anyone know whats up with my downloading from the browser? | 15:43 |
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| jpt9 | hey | 16:03 |
| jpt9 | does anyone know what video formats the n770 supports on the built-in media player on IT2007HE? | 16:03 |
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| amr | :-/ this is getting on my nerves | 16:14 |
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| jhdeval | Ok I have a simple question. I am new to the n770. So far I love it. How do I add the maemo.org repository. I found how to add one but I can't find anything on maemo.org that says what I should fill in for the url etc. | 16:27 |
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| trevarthan | amr: your card isn't marked read-only, is it? can you create a new file on the device using some other means? | 16:27 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, well, I got the sources.list that is pretty accurate | 16:27 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, have you installed xterm and becomeroot yet? | 16:28 |
| jhdeval | No not yet. | 16:29 |
| jhdeval | I suppose I need to do that? | 16:29 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, I would, but first | 16:30 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, have you ever used Linux before? | 16:30 |
| jhdeval | :) I have. | 16:30 |
| erstazi | ok, sorry had to make sure | 16:30 |
| jhdeval | I use it exclusively | 16:30 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, you can find becomeroot and xterm on maemo.org by searching for them | 16:31 |
| jhdeval | the osso xterm? | 16:31 |
| erstazi | get the advanced | 16:31 |
| amr | trevarthan, i cant even save it in my docs folder | 16:31 |
| amr | i assume thats not on the card? | 16:31 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, the advanced is smoother and black background on white is easier to read on the n770 (I have one as well) | 16:32 |
| amr | im not sure how to check if the card is read only or not | 16:32 |
| jhdeval | So far I really like it. I am impressed with the speed and qty of apps. | 16:32 |
| jhdeval | I want to write a few of my own. | 16:32 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, well, porting is done, which I am *trying* to do | 16:33 |
| erstazi | s/porting is done/porting is *needing* done | 16:33 |
| erstazi | ugh | 16:33 |
| erstazi | sleep is my problem haha | 16:33 |
| jhdeval | I am a python hacker. | 16:33 |
| jhdeval | I am not real familiar with c unfrtunately. | 16:34 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, very good, there are many apps that are made in python for maemo | 16:34 |
| jhdeval | I saw that and it is very well supported too. | 16:34 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, are you familiar with debian based distro | 16:34 |
| jhdeval | I want to play with mono for maemo too. It looked interesting. | 16:34 |
| jhdeval | I have used ubuntu and still have it on one or two machines | 16:35 |
| erstazi | ok, jhdeval, your n770 uses sources.list also, (IT2006 is debian-based as the rest of the OS'es on nokia 770's and n800's) | 16:37 |
| erstazi | I have a very nice sources.list | 16:37 |
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| erstazi | collected from a forum and I commented out the ones that are not existing always (some are hosted by the actual developer/porter's home computer through like dyndns.org or such | 16:38 |
| jhdeval | I am working on sshing into the 770 | 16:38 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, I would suggest getting becomeroot first | 16:38 |
| erstazi | then what you do is: sudo gainroot | 16:38 |
| erstazi | which, I use ubuntu as well and at first I thought that was completely odd | 16:39 |
| jhdeval | I am following the directions become root 2 it suggests sshing into the 770 I dont have a usb cable with me at the moment. | 16:39 |
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| erstazi | jhdeval, then when you do become root, make sure you passwd user and then passwd root to change your passwords because you don't want someone to ssh while you are using their connection or yours | 16:39 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, you don't need to use the usb cable to ssh | 16:39 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, do you have wifi at your place you are at? | 16:40 |
| timeless | x-fade, et al.... | 16:40 |
| jhdeval | yeah I do | 16:40 |
| timeless | i finally published our blog | 16:40 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, do you know the ip address your tablet is using? | 16:40 |
| erstazi | go to terminal on your pc and type: ssh user@replace-with-nokias-ip-address | 16:41 |
| erstazi | you can ssh over wifi | 16:41 |
| jhdeval | without installing the ssh server? | 16:41 |
| erstazi | oh poop, I forgot that one haha, go on maemo and install openssh | 16:41 |
| jhdeval | lol | 16:42 |
| jhdeval | see I know whats I am doing lol | 16:42 |
| erstazi | dropbear is not fun to install, openssh is smoother to install and nice | 16:42 |
| jhdeval | dropbear is no longer available either | 16:42 |
| * erstazi forgets about some things when only having 3 hours of sleep | 16:42 | |
| erstazi | jhdeval, did you get xterm advanced installed? also becomeroot? you can change your passwords there as well, I would suggest it | 16:43 |
| erstazi | and yes, I am paranoid haha | 16:43 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Are you in the planet yet? | 16:43 |
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| jhdeval | become root has no install package on maemo.org anymore. | 16:45 |
| jhdeval | ahhhh | 16:45 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, I don't beleive that | 16:45 |
| jhdeval | and openssh says not found ahhhhhh | 16:45 |
| erstazi | s/beleive/believe | 16:45 |
| erstazi | let me check | 16:45 |
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| erstazi | jhdeval, http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb | 16:47 |
| jhdeval | f@ing hell thats a long url to type in on a peck and find keyboard. | 16:48 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, this is from the repository, which the source.list will include outside repos, its truthworthy | 16:48 |
| erstazi | want the easier way, jhdeval? | 16:48 |
| jhdeval | sure | 16:48 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, let me fire my n770 up | 16:49 |
| erstazi | so I can follow along easier | 16:49 |
| jhdeval | lol | 16:49 |
| erstazi | again, I am pooped | 16:49 |
| jhdeval | NO SLEEP TO BROOKLYN!!! | 16:49 |
| erstazi | hha, beastie boys | 16:49 |
| jhdeval | Had to throw out a beat lol I bet now you have it stuck in your head. | 16:50 |
| amr | how do i check on battery percentage | 16:50 |
| amr | clicking the icon in the status bar does nothing | 16:50 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, on your left panel, you got web, contacts, and applications, select applications icon > tools > application manager | 16:50 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, we use to use that song as a warm up for a band (high school) I use to be in | 16:51 |
| madam | amr: in my experience this means it's full | 16:51 |
| jhdeval | ok i am there | 16:51 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, now, at the top, you have the upside down chevlon, and Application manager | 16:52 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, tap that then > tools > application catalog | 16:52 |
| jhdeval | ok | 16:52 |
| erstazi | in web address: http://eko.one.pl/ | 16:53 |
| erstazi | distribution: mistral | 16:53 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it mistral is a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented | 16:53 |
| erstazi | components: user | 16:53 |
| erstazi | make sure its checked for enabled | 16:53 |
| erstazi | hit ok | 16:53 |
| erstazi | (this is a new one of course, forgot to mention that) | 16:54 |
| milhouse | forget mistral | 16:54 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot mistral | 16:54 |
| milhouse | (sorry - that was just me to _monkey) | 16:54 |
| erstazi | bots, can't live with them, can't live with without them | 16:54 |
| jhdeval | shit says cannot refresh | 16:54 |
| erstazi | milhouse, hehe | 16:54 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, hmm | 16:54 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, go back to chevlon > tools > application catalog | 16:55 |
| jhdeval | just not having any luck today | 16:55 |
| jhdeval | i am there | 16:55 |
| erstazi | locate http://eko.one.pl/ and edit it, disable | 16:55 |
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| erstazi | now try and see if it can refresh | 16:55 |
| jhdeval | it does | 16:55 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, ok locate http://eko.one.pl/ in your catalog | 16:55 |
| erstazi | edit it, on the web address, change it to this: http://eko.one.pl/maemo | 16:56 |
| erstazi | I forgot the sub-directory | 16:56 |
| erstazi | sorry | 16:56 |
| jhdeval | ahhh | 16:57 |
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| jhdeval | that worked | 16:57 |
| erstazi | now, after you tap ok, then close catalog, then go back to application manager (chevlon) and select tools, refresh packages | 16:57 |
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| erstazi | "refresh list of packages" | 16:57 |
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| jhdeval | I got it | 16:57 |
| timeless | x-fade: no | 16:58 |
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| timeless | i wouldn't know how to get into planet :) | 16:58 |
| jhdeval | i mean become root | 16:58 |
| erstazi | jhdeval after that is done, go to the button: Install new applications | 16:58 |
| erstazi | and then select All, and becomeroot will be at the top | 16:58 |
| konttori | UKMP 1.51 is out. It's a bug fix version and VERY recommended to all users. More info and download link from : http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/ukmp-151-combined-with-updated-uktube.html | 16:58 |
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| timeless | x-fade: have you found the feed? :) | 16:58 |
| konttori | It also includes uktube update that has support for logging into youtube to access over 18 videos as well as private content. | 16:59 |
| jhdeval | what is the password for root when I run become root | 16:59 |
| timeless | rootme | 16:59 |
| _Monkey | i think rootme is the default pw? | 16:59 |
| erstazi | uktube.co.uk? | 16:59 |
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| jhdeval | rootme is for handhelds.org familiar | 17:00 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, when you want the /etc/apt/sources.list I can give it, and I commented out the ones that were not working for me (which is basically like leaving enabled unchecked) | 17:01 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml ? | 17:01 |
| amr | erstazi, i would definitely be interested in that | 17:02 |
| erstazi | some need gpg keys | 17:02 |
| erstazi | amr, I can put it up on my web server | 17:02 |
| erstazi | so far, some are down because they use a dynamic dns service for hosting their home server and some of them are down | 17:02 |
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| jhdeval | ok I got it :) | 17:03 |
| jhdeval | erstazi: you gonna be here for like 20 minutes I gotta run | 17:04 |
| madam | anyone using xserver-xomap_6.6.3 from sardine? it doesn't react to touching, althought i told it -mouse tslib. ? | 17:04 |
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| erstazi | has anyone heard of someone doing it or done it themselves: broke the screen to their tablet? | 17:05 |
| timeless | yes | 17:05 |
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| erstazi | I am just wondering how much punishment this thing can take | 17:06 |
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| erstazi | I know some who don't use their screen guard | 17:06 |
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| erstazi | hello melmoth | 17:06 |
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| amr | how do you completely reset the device | 17:07 |
| amr | not restart, i mean like a hard reset | 17:07 |
| erstazi | reset? as back to the factory default install? | 17:08 |
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| madam | amr: battery out, battery in | 17:08 |
| amr | ah | 17:08 |
| amr | ty | 17:08 |
| amr | yes erstazi | 17:10 |
| _Monkey | erstazi is probably rusty on porting to a different arch | 17:10 |
| amr | that didnt work, battery in and out | 17:10 |
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| amr | what do i need to do erstazi | 17:11 |
| erstazi | amr, you want to flash your tablet? | 17:12 |
| inz | ahhhh... summer vacation | 17:12 |
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| erstazi | amr, which means reinstall the original factory defaults (as it came fresh)? | 17:12 |
| amr | yes | 17:12 |
| erstazi | anyone who wants the sources.list that I use and I grabbed and improved from itt here it is: http://c-wd.net/sources.list | 17:13 |
| erstazi | sorry I took so long | 17:13 |
| erstazi | amr, let me find something on maemo that I read | 17:13 |
| amr | ok thanks | 17:13 |
| amr | or shall i just reflash with the new kernel version | 17:13 |
| amr | fanoush's kernel | 17:13 |
| erstazi | amr, how about this, have you tried the update wizard? | 17:13 |
| amr | uhm no | 17:13 |
| erstazi | what OS do you use on your pc? | 17:14 |
| amr | mac | 17:14 |
| amr | but i can boot into a live cd if needed | 17:14 |
| erstazi | OS X? | 17:14 |
| amr | yes | 17:14 |
| erstazi | amr: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ | 17:15 |
| erstazi | go to that on your mac | 17:15 |
| amr | ok | 17:17 |
| erstazi | they also list "nokia's approved method" | 17:17 |
| trevarthan | hey, can someone with the normal, non-a2dp build of mplayer on the n800 run `mplayer -ao help` for me and post the output in a pastebin? | 17:17 |
| trevarthan | I need to see if it advertises ALSA even though it isn't compiled in. | 17:18 |
| amr | while im doing this shall i flash the kernel too | 17:19 |
| amr | to fanoush's | 17:19 |
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| erstazi | amr, this will flash your device of everything, it brings you back to when you first received the tablet as new, nothing installed on it | 17:23 |
| amr | brilliant | 17:23 |
| erstazi | just the default installs | 17:23 |
| amr | oki doke | 17:23 |
| amr | thanks | 17:23 |
| erstazi | no problem | 17:23 |
| amr | i hope my browser downloading actually works this time | 17:23 |
| erstazi | your mmc flash card will still have its contents though | 17:24 |
| erstazi | amr, before doing this I suggest backing up | 17:24 |
| amr | doing that | 17:24 |
| amr | what* | 17:24 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - 1.0rc1-maemo.16.n800 doesn't advertise alsa | 17:24 |
| milhouse | just the following | 17:24 |
| milhouse | MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.16.n800 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team | 17:24 |
| milhouse | CPU: ARM | 17:24 |
| milhouse | Available audio output drivers: | 17:24 |
| milhouse | esd EsounD audio output | 17:24 |
| milhouse | gst Gstreamer audio output for Nokia 770 | 17:24 |
| milhouse | sdl SDLlib audio output | 17:24 |
| milhouse | mpegpes Mpeg-PES audio output | 17:24 |
| erstazi | amr, go to the 3rd icon on the left (which its called applications I believe) and then go to tools and then control panel and then select backup/restore and make a back up | 17:24 |
| milhouse | null Null audio output | 17:24 |
| milhouse | pcm RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output | 17:24 |
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| amr | ok done erstazi | 17:27 |
| amr | ill flash the kernel after i come home from work | 17:27 |
| amr | erstazi, how do you see what percentage battery is remaining | 17:28 |
| trevarthan | thanks milhouse. BTW, I saw your a2dp script on ITT. nice work. Anyone care to write a control panel module that allows you to select your a2dp headset from a list of paired devices? | 17:29 |
| trevarthan | IMO, that's the only thing stopping us from making a2dp really user friendly. | 17:29 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: thanks but that's waaaay out of my league :) | 17:29 |
| trevarthan | :) I could handle it, but I'm busy with Kagu, so it's a low priority. | 17:29 |
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| trevarthan | disq wrote a control panel applet for maemoscrobbler that we could pillage and rework for our purposes. | 17:30 |
| milhouse | the current bluetooth applet, does it give any clues about the paired devices? | 17:31 |
| milhouse | ie. can it be queried to identify the audio headset devices? | 17:31 |
| trevarthan | I don't even know if the source is available, but I'm sure there is a way. either through dbus or some other method. | 17:31 |
| milhouse | i'm assuming that paired device information is held somewhere | 17:31 |
| trevarthan | yeah. in the filesystem on a normal bluez system, but it's probably stored in a DB too on maemo. | 17:32 |
| trevarthan | maybe gconf? | 17:32 |
| trevarthan | dunno | 17:32 |
| jhdeval | trevarthan: I think bluetooth devices are shown as paired by a hash or hex code | 17:32 |
| jhdeval | Like a network cards mac address | 17:32 |
| trevarthan | As an initial version, we could simply provide a BT address input field in the control panel, then improve that later when we figure out the API. | 17:33 |
| trevarthan | The control panel app could just call your script, milhouse. | 17:33 |
| milhouse | that might be dangerous :) | 17:33 |
| trevarthan | life is dangerous. | 17:34 |
| trevarthan | be bold. | 17:34 |
| jhdeval | now theres a man with b@lls | 17:34 |
| erstazi | haha trevarthan | 17:34 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, did you grab the sources.list? | 17:35 |
| jhdeval | no not yet where is it? | 17:35 |
| erstazi | it has almost all the working repos of I knowing | 17:35 |
| erstazi | jhdeval: http://c-wd.net/sources.list | 17:35 |
| jhdeval | also how do you mark and paste? | 17:35 |
| erstazi | if anyone wants to add any, please tell me, I will be happy to add more | 17:35 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, I usually add mine through ssh'ing | 17:36 |
| jhdeval | got it | 17:36 |
| erstazi | or if anyone can confirm that any of the commented out repos are completely gone, I can remove | 17:36 |
| milhouse | trevarthan | 17:36 |
| _Monkey | somebody said trevarthan was a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. | 17:36 |
| milhouse | _monkey thanks | 17:36 |
| erstazi | haha | 17:36 |
| _Monkey | sure thing milhouse | 17:36 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - you're right, the currently paired bt devices are in gconf | 17:37 |
| milhouse | system/bluetooth/device | 17:37 |
| milhouse | keyed on mac | 17:37 |
| milhouse | with services listed for each device | 17:37 |
| trevarthan | sweet. that aught to make it easy. | 17:37 |
| milhouse | soooo in theory we just need to pull off the audio device | 17:37 |
| milhouse | i doubt anyone will pair more than one audio device but we'll need to cater for that | 17:38 |
| milhouse | ie. bail if there is more than one device? | 17:38 |
| erstazi | milhouse, I will just pair more than one audio device to make this harder haha just playing | 17:38 |
| milhouse | i'll try to work out how to walk the gconf tree and get back to you :) | 17:38 |
| trevarthan | yeah, actually a guy emailed me stating that he had a couple of different bt headsets and he switches between them frequently. | 17:38 |
| erstazi | nice | 17:38 |
| milhouse | it's not a control panel but at least it means the script is more of a no brainer | 17:39 |
| erstazi | milhouse, what language did you use in your script? | 17:39 |
| milhouse | plain old shell scripting | 17:39 |
| erstazi | nice | 17:39 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: you don't have to put it in the control panel. I think it makes sense there, but anywhere would be fine, so long as it's got a GUI. | 17:39 |
| erstazi | jhdeval does python | 17:39 |
| jhdeval | :) | 17:40 |
| milhouse | what i'll do is modify the script to take a bt address or "auto" and if the latter it will try to grab it via gconftool-2 but bail if there is more than one | 17:40 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: we can still salvage parts of your shell script for use in the .deb installer. the hcid.conf changes still need to be made, for example. | 17:40 |
| milhouse | actually the default (no param) will probably be auto | 17:40 |
| trevarthan | BTW, anyone care to package that up? I'll do it if I have to, but I'm a bit bogged down at the moment. | 17:41 |
| milhouse | alternatively, could the address be determined at run time? | 17:41 |
| milhouse | by a2dpd? | 17:41 |
| milhouse | that way, if the user removes the headset and replaces it with another (after installing a2dp) then it still works? | 17:41 |
| milhouse | currently they're locked in to a particular headset and need to reinstall if they change it | 17:42 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I was thinking the BT address part would be either in control panel or the app menu. that way the user can re-run it. | 17:42 |
| trevarthan | the .deb would just install the switching tool and run it once for setup, but then the user could run it again whenever. | 17:42 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, sorry for "pimping" out your python skills, I can be like that! you will find this community is actually very nice and friendly | 17:43 |
| milhouse | but apart from the rare number of users with multiple headsets, you could automatically identify the correct address by scanning gconf when a2dpd starts | 17:43 |
| jhdeval | no problem. I have been looking for an oss project to work on | 17:43 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, its *very* unlike other communities that I have been or currently part of | 17:43 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I don't think so. I've got 3 bt devices, and only one is a headset. | 17:43 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, do you use python for web-based? ever mess with pylon? | 17:43 |
| trevarthan | better to ask. | 17:44 |
| jhdeval | By skill set is in the business world so I am a db programmer by nature. | 17:44 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: of those 3 devices, how many support the audio profile? | 17:44 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: and how do you intend to detect which support which profile? | 17:44 |
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| jhdeval | I have looked at several ways of using python via the web and I always come to the same conclusion it just isn't mean for the web | 17:44 |
| milhouse | it's listed in the services node for each device | 17:45 |
| timelE61i | doesn't hg use python | 17:45 |
| jhdeval | hg? | 17:45 |
| trevarthan | jhdeval: I'm a DB programmer too. I do PHP for a living. hate it though. love python. | 17:45 |
| jhdeval | lol I hate php as well. It is so non intuitive | 17:45 |
| milhouse | let me get you the gconftool-2 code that dumps each device so you can see for yourself - give me a bit | 17:45 |
| jhdeval | python is a really nice clean language | 17:45 |
| erstazi | trevarthan, same here, I use php but I think python is great for the web | 17:45 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: oh... cool. so if there is only one device with an audio profile, use that. if two, ask, if none, display a warning stating that such and such program will need to be run after pairing the device. | 17:46 |
| milhouse | yes :) | 17:46 |
| erstazi | I am a web developer and svn is my friend | 17:46 |
| jhdeval | lol | 17:46 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: I like svn too. I'm not opposed to git though. It makes a lot of sense. | 17:46 |
| erstazi | Luckly, in an odd way, my team and I are developing an intranet based cms/dbms that is going to be released as AGPLv3 soon | 17:46 |
| milhouse | but if you can possibly detect the audio device when a2dp starts then it makes it easier for the user to chop and change headsets without upsetting the a2dp installation | 17:47 |
| jhdeval | I am actually fluent in VB6,VB.Net, C#, Java, Python, Ruby, a bit of php, and some c/c++ | 17:47 |
| milhouse | alternatively, a simple reconfig/control panel applet will have to suffice | 17:47 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: ah, I see. You're trying to get me to build that part into Kagu? | 17:47 |
| erstazi | you guys ever notice how the medical field uses dos apps? we want to change that by giving them a web-based app | 17:47 |
| jhdeval | erstazi: Do you know why? | 17:47 |
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| milhouse | trevarthan: well... i was thinking more about a2dpd but i guess that isn't compiled by you is it? | 17:48 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: no. it's part of the bluetooth-alsa project. I don't screw with C/C++ if I can help it. | 17:48 |
| timelE61i | X-fade: so how are things? | 17:48 |
| timelE61i | or perhaps, how do things look? | 17:48 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: what about a wrapper script or pre-a2dp process that can determine the address... hmmm... getting messy... kagu would be the obvious candidate | 17:49 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I'd be happy to build that functionality into Kagu, but **only** if a separate interface exists for people who aren't using Kagu and I can hook into that via dbus or RPC. | 17:49 |
| jhdeval | erstazi: That is because through the 80s and most of the 90s the premier language was Foxpro it made DB programming possible unfortunately it never came out of the dark ages. | 17:49 |
| milhouse | particularly as it's the only a2dp-aware application | 17:49 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, but I expect that will change in the near future. we're paving the way here. | 17:49 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, oh I know, I work with a former COBOL programmer | 17:49 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: let me get some working gconftool2 shell script code then discuss more | 17:49 |
| timelE61i | hg is the chemical symbol for mercury. Also the short name for Mercurial, a modern vcs | 17:50 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: k. thanks for your hard work. | 17:50 |
| jhdeval | lol My specialty is EDI now. I wrote a full EDI application and server from the ground up. | 17:50 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, we always talk "why do they stick with this"... I mean, some still pay for software upgrades for dos apps! | 17:50 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: thanks but i'd hardly call it hard work ;) | 17:50 |
| jhdeval | What till they try and make it work in Vista. Thats a nightmare. | 17:50 |
| erstazi | why not give them an open source app and if they want support, they can pay for it | 17:51 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, many companies are not getting vista | 17:51 |
| jhdeval | Open Source is only now starting to coming into its own. The business model is finally starting to work. | 17:51 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: BTW, if you need to reach me, just send me a private IRC message. I've got some paid work I need to be doing, so I'm going to ignore #maemo for a while. | 17:51 |
| erstazi | web-based means it doesn't mattter what OS they use or browser | 17:51 |
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| jhdeval | erstazi: I noticed that. | 17:51 |
| timelE61i | erstazi: oh sure | 17:51 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: sure will do | 17:51 |
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| erstazi | timelE61i: oh sure what? | 17:52 |
| jhdeval | erstazi: The web has not reached a maturity to completely replace desktop apps unfortunately. | 17:52 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, to a point, true, its moving that way though | 17:52 |
| greygoo | hi there, sorry for just dropping in and asking a question, but does anyone here used the kagu player in combination with a2dpd? | 17:52 |
| jhdeval | I fully agree. | 17:52 |
| erstazi | I was against it at first | 17:52 |
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| greygoo | my problem is, starting a2dpd manually and using the mplayer with alsa support work perfectly | 17:53 |
| erstazi | when I just built websites and not full applicational intranets | 17:53 |
| jhdeval | I have been trying to rewrite my EDI desktop app as a web app. The problem I keep running into the lack of events in AJAX | 17:53 |
| timelE61i | unless it only works on one browser on one platform at one colordepth in one resolution with one plugin version | 17:53 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, well, I use XHR myself (dislike the buzzword ajax) | 17:53 |
| jhdeval | XHR? I am not familiar with that. | 17:53 |
| greygoo | however with the kagu player, if i click the bluetooth icon it turns on, but playing music simply does not work anymore (works with local output on n800) | 17:53 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, xmlhttprequest is powerful but the power is loss unless you make it unobtrusive | 17:54 |
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| jhdeval | ahhh | 17:54 |
| erstazi | I was thinking of going to a different server-side for a few projects, I thought RoR or Python | 17:55 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: I'm the original Kagu author. I'm not sure what would cause that. If the command from step #10 of the howto works, then the BT button should work too as it runs the exact same command. | 17:55 |
| jhdeval | See my problem is. I am looking for a drag and drop solution. The problem is I have multiple items going to multiple locations except AJAX doesn't see components only full objects. | 17:55 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: one sec, checkign what command #10 is | 17:55 |
| jhdeval | RoR is nice but the is a steep learning curve. | 17:55 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA | 17:55 |
| greygoo | yepp, that one worked :) | 17:55 |
| gw280 | are any of the microb developers around? | 17:55 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, normally I don't suggest using script.ul.ious or whatever but have you tried those? | 17:55 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: did the BT button darken? | 17:56 |
| erstazi | RoR, I am ok with steep learning curves | 17:56 |
| trevarthan | when you pressed it, I mean? | 17:56 |
| timelE61i | gw | 17:56 |
| trevarthan | maybe you're just not pressing it properly. The touch screen is finicky sometimes, and it's a small button area. | 17:56 |
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| greygoo | trevarthan: yes, was "greyed out" when i started, once i clickeed it i saw the "volume control" interface on the screen and after about 2 seconds the bt button was fully dark blue | 17:56 |
| jhdeval | It is powerful though. The other side is you have to develop your db while building the app using an existing db is a nightmare. | 17:57 |
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| trevarthan | greygoo: then you continued to hear music out of the n800's speakers? | 17:57 |
| greygoo | the songs just don;t play from that moment on, it just skips from one song to the next one. Once switching of the bt button, i can listen to the songs on the3 n800 locally | 17:57 |
| timelE61i | gw280: what can i do for you? | 17:57 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: ah. I see. hmmm.... | 17:57 |
| greygoo | do i have to still start a2dpd when i use kagu or is it started by clicking the bt button? | 17:58 |
| greygoo | i assumed it gets started | 17:58 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: are your songs mp3s? or some other format? | 17:58 |
| greygoo | mp3 | 17:58 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: a2dpd is started, managed, and shut down by Kagu and the BT button. Do *not* start it before running kagu. | 17:58 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: could that be the problem? | 17:59 |
| greygoo | yes, that was what i did | 17:59 |
| erstazi | jhdeval, with RoR I haven't connected to a db yet, so you are saying it would be a pain to connect and query like postgresql or mysql? | 17:59 |
| gw280 | timelE61i: how does the EAL register itself with the browser UI so that its engine can be shown in the list? | 17:59 |
| greygoo | did not start it, but I'll try to reboot now and start kagu from freshly booted system so no conflicts are there for sure. | 17:59 |
| jhdeval | No I mean if you are connecting to an existing db IE something you use somewhere else it is a pain. | 17:59 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: let me know if it works for you now. If so, I'll try to build some safeguards against that into kagu. | 18:00 |
| timelE61i | gw280: i'm headed home/offline for the weekend, so ask fast | 18:00 |
| jhdeval | Like a customer db you already have | 18:00 |
| erstazi | ah | 18:00 |
| erstazi | I see | 18:00 |
| erstazi | got ya | 18:00 |
| gw280 | timelE61i: well, let's say we have a dummy eal | 18:00 |
| jhdeval | lol | 18:00 |
| timelE61i | I beliieve the list is hardcoded | 18:00 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: thanks, i was just curious if its some known problem or some common user error that i might accidently done | 18:00 |
| gw280 | timelE61i: and we install it on the n800, how does it register itself with the browser ui such that the browser lets you choose that engine for rendering? | 18:00 |
| greygoo | I'll just try in some minutes after its here agein and I'm back | 18:00 |
| timelE61i | it has 3 | 18:00 |
| erstazi | btw, gizmo and the 770 work wonderfully, just a tad delay | 18:01 |
| jhdeval | nice I am installing gizmo next, | 18:01 |
| timelE61i | problem is, ui's expect localizable strings... | 18:01 |
| jhdeval | Just installing pidgin now. | 18:01 |
| erstazi | I can make calls when I am connected to a wifi | 18:01 |
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| erstazi | does pidgin need the protocols installed separately? | 18:02 |
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| jhdeval | yes | 18:02 |
| jhdeval | Its for space saving | 18:02 |
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| greygoo | trevarthan: so a2dpd uses ~/.a2dprc as well i assume. As i removed the xmms remote control commands, did not expect that this causes problems, in fact keeping them in crashed my a2dpd once i pressed some key on the bt headset | 18:02 |
| jhdeval | about to be on my n770 | 18:03 |
| jhdeval | brb | 18:03 |
| timelE61i | you can try: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/trunk and look in the ui dir | 18:03 |
| timelE61i | search for webcore | 18:03 |
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| timelE61i | it shouldn't have many hits | 18:04 |
| erstazi | has anyone tried VNC yet with their tablet? | 18:04 |
| erstazi | let me clarify, vncviewer | 18:04 |
| timelE61i | iirc it's packaged... | 18:05 |
| erstazi | or similar app | 18:05 |
| timelE61i | so presumably the packager :) | 18:05 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: nope, after a reboot the exact same behaviour, just jumps from a song to the next without playing them, bt icon is dark. | 18:05 |
| gw280 | timelE61i: hrm | 18:05 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: yes, ~/.a2dprc is a2dpd's config file. | 18:05 |
| greygoo | some way to debug it? I think it must be some very small issue as it works perfectly if done step by step | 18:06 |
| greygoo | argl, i think i got it, one sec | 18:06 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: can you open an xterm in the background and verify that a2dpd and mplayer are running when the BT icon is dark and a song is playing? | 18:06 |
| greygoo | alsa:device=a2dpd2 | 18:06 |
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| greygoo | i used alsa:device=a2dpd for some strange reason | 18:06 |
| timelyx | gw280: sorry | 18:06 |
| greygoo | when doing it manually | 18:06 |
| timelyx | i was typing from memory | 18:06 |
| timelyx | on my cell phone... | 18:07 |
| gw280 | timelyx: that's ok | 18:07 |
| johdeval | hmmm can't seem to get pidgin to connect | 18:07 |
| greygoo | *editing .asound* | 18:07 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: you'll need to change that in ~/.asoundrc so that it reads a2dpd2 | 18:07 |
| gw280 | timelyx: I found it, but we've been grepping those sources and not found antyhing yet | 18:07 |
| trevarthan | err, .asound, yeah | 18:07 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/engine-chooser/engine-chooser.c#95 | 18:08 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=webcore&find=%2Fbrowser%2Fbrowser-ui%2Ftrunk&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=garage | 18:08 |
| timelyx | Found one matching line | 18:08 |
| timelyx | webcore | 18:08 |
| timelyx | € line 95 -- gtk_combo_box_append_text (GTK_COMBO_BOX (comboboxentry), "webcore"); | 18:08 |
| timelyx | This | 18:08 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: OK, I've opened a ticket for you regarding the a2dpd launched before kagu issue. Maybe it wasn't your real problem, but you're not the first person to do that so I need to address it: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/10 | 18:08 |
| timelyx | hrm | 18:09 |
| timelyx | odd, that's not the right hit | 18:09 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: issue solved, works, pilot error | 18:09 |
| timelyx | but, that's a thing we don't ship | 18:09 |
| timelyx | note that it hard codes its list :) | 18:09 |
| timelyx | oh heh, and it doesn't include microb :) | 18:09 |
| greygoo | works perfect | 18:09 |
| gw280 | timelyx: right | 18:09 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: cool. we're talking about automating that config stuff so user error isn't a factor anymore. hang with us. | 18:09 |
| timelyx | gw280: unfortunately the version on garage is what was in my local xref when i chose to rsync | 18:09 |
| gw280 | timelyx: right | 18:10 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: where can somebody open issues, as i found another smaller thing while doing the kagu-scan. I had two mp3 files whoose filenmae managed to crash the scanner program | 18:10 |
| timelyx | and i haven't quite decided how to arrange to do updates | 18:10 |
| timelyx | i think i'll probably have to write a mildly fancy script | 18:10 |
| gw280 | timelyx: so where's the code that microb uses to add itself to the browser ui? | 18:10 |
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| greygoo | trevarthan: I'll test this with every new version i hear about, its the best solution i have seen up to now for listening to my mp3's with the headset | 18:10 |
| alp | yeah, we will need to update that hard-coded list to test the new browser engine in this case | 18:10 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: BTW, you mentioned xmms in the ~/.a2dprc file. That doesn't sound like the latest file. The latest file from the website has kagu in there instead of xmms (xmms is commented out). Can you verify that you've got the latest file? You'll get tinny audio with the older file. | 18:10 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: we're aware of the scanner issue. Can you provide us with a sample mp3 that crashes the scanner? We're trying to fix the issue, but we need raw material. | 18:11 |
| greygoo | oh, yes, will check. I just commented out the xmms stuff and i increased the rate value to the max, so if there is anything else new I'll update | 18:12 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/browsermenu_cb.c#934 | 18:12 |
| greygoo | up to now the sound does not sound tinny at all ;) | 18:12 |
| timelyx | is where we offer tabbed / windowed views :) | 18:12 |
| greygoo | i see | 18:12 |
| timelyx | the browser chooser is a menu above/below it in the ui | 18:12 |
| greygoo | kagu - remote | 18:12 |
| greygoo | I'll buy it ;) | 18:12 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: so you upped the bitpool setting to 53? The lower value is what causes tinny audio. | 18:12 |
| timelyx | darn | 18:13 |
| timelyx | the svn connection isn't there | 18:13 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: yes i guess i raised all values to max or the recommended value if not already been there | 18:13 |
| * timelyx wonders why | 18:13 | |
| trevarthan | greygoo: I don't think those AVRCP commands work in 1.0.1 of kagu. Something about the shell script, I think. But leave those in there. We'll sort it out for 1.1. | 18:13 |
| greygoo | as long as it did not get slowwer i kept my changes | 18:13 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: ok, you have a tester waiting eager to try new versions ;) | 18:14 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: BTW, look for a 1.1 release late this weekend. It'll have lots of bug fixes and performance improvements, and maybe some seek functionality. | 18:14 |
| alp | timelyx: it would be helpful to the WebKit/Gtk+ porting effort and probably others if these hard-coded browser lists could be made more dynamic | 18:14 |
| timelyx | alp: webkit hooks are already present | 18:15 |
| timelyx | in fact, iirc the webkit code is also in the svn reop | 18:15 |
| timelyx | lots of things might be helpful | 18:15 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: will do, i usually play aarounfd on the weekend and don;t touch it under the week. I just started the weekend a bit earlier today :) | 18:15 |
| timelyx | but in general, instead of saying that, search before suggesting, and post a bug w/ a patch instead of suggesting | 18:16 |
| alp | i am only aware of a port of the old WebCore engine | 18:16 |
| timelyx | is there a distinction? | 18:16 |
| alp | they are quite different | 18:16 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 18:16 | |
| timelyx | any time i list a deficiency, please assume i'm aware that it is one | 18:16 |
| timelyx | i don't need to be reminded of them | 18:17 |
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| greygoo | trevarthan: btw. I already mentioned it in the tt thread, if you renice the m,player and a2dpd it gets even better :) | 18:18 |
| timelyx | svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/bomberman': Server certificate verification failed: issuer is not trusted (https://garage.maemo.org) | 18:20 |
| * timelyx wines | 18:20 | |
| * timelyx whines ? | 18:20 | |
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| timelyx | what would be more useful is for me to find the guy who wrote the doxygen docs for eal | 18:29 |
| timelyx | and get the docs published | 18:29 |
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| timelyx | that's on my very long list for next week, hopefully early | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: that requires root, doesn't it? | 18:31 |
| gw280 | timelyx: what's the point in the dummy EAL documentation page if everything's hardcoded? | 18:31 |
| timelyx | gw280: don't ask me | 18:31 |
| timelyx | i didn't know anything about the dummy eal | 18:31 |
| alp | brilliant. | 18:31 |
| timelyx | we're lots of independent projects who don't talk to eachother | 18:31 |
| gw280 | hrm | 18:31 |
| gw280 | do you happen to know who worked on the dummy eal stuff? | 18:32 |
| timelyx | even though i should know about all of them based on my official ttitle | 18:32 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: oh, you are right, it does | 18:32 |
| timelyx | which i won't disclose since it clearly makes me look stupid at this point :) | 18:32 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: not sure if there is a way to do that when I'm starting mplayer and a2dpd from kagu. if there is, I want to, but I think only root can do that. | 18:32 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 18:33 | |
| timelyx | nice to see the eal docs link to paths that don't exist | 18:33 |
| timelyx | why didn't someone file a bug complaining about that? | 18:33 |
| greygoo | mh, i'm not sure if only renice needs root, if you start apps with a given nice value i'm not sure you also have to be root. | 18:33 |
| timelyx | (the path is wrong in adition to everything else) | 18:33 |
| inz | timelyx, what's your official title then?-) | 18:33 |
| Robot101 | timelyx: we liked that too... :) | 18:34 |
| timelyx | greygoo: you can generally renice in one direction w/o being root | 18:34 |
| * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch | 18:34 | |
| timelyx | renicing in the other direction w/o being root ime doesn't work | 18:34 |
| timelyx | even if you're only trying to go back to the original priority | 18:34 |
| timelyx | which imo is a bug | 18:34 |
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| timelyx | gw280: unfortunately, i really don't know | 18:36 |
| greygoo | ok, but for the a2dpdmplayer stuff this should be ok, I don;t want to change the values, i just want them to run with nice value of -13 or so | 18:36 |
| timelyx | and from here, i can't check | 18:36 |
| gw280 | timelyx: hrm | 18:36 |
| timelyx | gw280: i have <25mins to do various home related things | 18:36 |
| timelyx | and then my day/week ends | 18:36 |
| gw280 | timelyx: it just seems a bit of a waste that Nokia spent goodness knows how long creating a really nice abstraction layer for their browser, only to hard code which browser engines could be abstracted | 18:37 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: gimme a sec. I'll test that in mplayer.py. | 18:37 |
| timelyx | i tried checking svn but as the directory doesn't exist | 18:37 |
| timelyx | gw280 | 18:37 |
| timelyx | : well... we open sourced the ui | 18:37 |
| timelyx | so anyone could replace it w/ a better one | 18:37 |
| timelyx | personally i think the whole exercise is silly | 18:37 |
| gw280 | timelyx: where is the UI? | 18:37 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: the basi problem with starting an app with different nice value was the absence of the "nice" command itself | 18:37 |
| greygoo | I only have renice available ... | 18:37 |
| timelyx | gw280: the links to timeless.justdave.net are the ui | 18:37 |
| procto | I emailed the maintainer of the wifi driver like a week ago | 18:38 |
| gw280 | timelyx: right | 18:38 |
| procto | but he hasn't replied | 18:38 |
| procto | :( | 18:38 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: yeah, you're right. that sucks. | 18:38 |
| alp | gw280: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/ | 18:38 |
| timelyx | gw280: if you add .svn/ to any of those dirs | 18:38 |
| trevarthan | let me see if there is any way to do that using python | 18:38 |
| timelyx | you can get to the svn paths | 18:38 |
| procto | maybe he doesn't speak english? I'll get some of my finnish friends to translate | 18:38 |
| gw280 | alp: thanks | 18:38 |
| gw280 | timelyx: aha. | 18:38 |
| procto | no one here works for nokia? they could go knock on his cubicle or something? | 18:38 |
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| timelyx | procto: so of us go home for weekends | 18:39 |
| timelyx | we might stay overnight, | 18:39 |
| timelyx | but i draw the line at friday | 18:39 |
| procto | his name is Kalle Valo | 18:39 |
| procto | hehe | 18:39 |
| procto | alright | 18:39 |
| procto | I'll wait some more :> | 18:39 |
| timelyx | procto: bug me monday morning if you need help | 18:39 |
| procto | my finnish is limited to a single word right now | 18:39 |
| procto | timelyx: k, will do | 18:39 |
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| timelyx | i don't speak finnish, but i am willing to walk down halls | 18:40 |
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| procto | but you're in finland right now? | 18:40 |
| timelyx | yes | 18:40 |
| procto | at nokia? | 18:40 |
| timelyx | yes | 18:40 |
| procto | ah | 18:40 |
| timelyx | well, at home, but... | 18:40 |
| procto | so they hire internationals? | 18:40 |
| frob | a lot | 18:40 |
| timelyx | our group has many actually | 18:40 |
| procto | heh, one of my friends works in the post office night shift over the summers | 18:40 |
| frob | especially from brazil apparently :D | 18:40 |
| timelyx | probably more nationalities than most groups in the entire company | 18:40 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: I've got a nice() function in python. Not sure if you can renice your own processes to a higher priority without being root though. | 18:40 |
| procto | so I keep thinking of finns as having the same timezone as me | 18:41 |
| timelyx | frob: actually, afaik most of those aren't employees | 18:41 |
| timelyx | nokia also does a *lot* of subcontracting | 18:41 |
| procto | frob: you probably mean idnt, no? | 18:41 |
| timelyx | indt | 18:41 |
| procto | sorry, I mean, INdT | 18:41 |
| procto | heh, beat me! | 18:41 |
| timelyx | and that's not employees in general | 18:41 |
| timelyx | hence my preemptive strike :) | 18:42 |
| timelyx | indt is at the very least a bit strange | 18:42 |
| milhouse | anyone want to try btscan.sh? http://www.nmacleod.com/a2dp/btscan.sh | 18:42 |
| timelyx | i think it's essentially a company created to partner the university w/ nokia | 18:42 |
| milhouse | should detect any paired headset | 18:42 |
| timelyx | but which allows their people to do other stuff at the same time in the same areas | 18:42 |
| * timelyx doesn't understand it | 18:42 | |
| timelyx | it's worse than my failure to understand browser/nokia workings | 18:43 |
| timelyx | anyway, have a good weekend all. search first and bother me monday morning | 18:43 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: i can renice my processes, as I AM ROOT (evil laughter in the background) ;) I just thought normal users won't like that power :) | 18:43 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: Multiple trusted audio-compatible Bluetooth devices available. | 18:44 |
| trevarthan | Please unpair or untrust duplicate audio devices and try again. | 18:44 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I've only got my phone and my headset paired. | 18:44 |
| milhouse | ok so it should detect your headset | 18:44 |
| milhouse | just run ./btscan.sh | 18:44 |
| milhouse | it doesn't do anything but attempt to find one device and list it's name and address | 18:44 |
| milhouse | if it finds more than one it outputs a message instructing you to unpair or untrust the duplicate devices | 18:45 |
| greygoo | milhouse: isn;t the btscan stuff available since some time, or is that another bt scanner i constatnly see popping by on different websites | 18:45 |
| milhouse | and if it finds no suitable devices it tells you that oo | 18:45 |
| milhouse | s/oo/too/ | 18:45 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: and if it finds no suitable devices it tells you that too | 18:45 |
| milhouse | greygoo - that's something else | 18:45 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I did run ./btscan.sh. that's what it said. | 18:45 |
| milhouse | greygoo - this is just a quick hack to easily identify the currently paired audio headset... doesn't really do any scanning at all :) | 18:46 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - gotcha, right then.. success. :) | 18:46 |
| milhouse | for the time being i'll amend the thread on itt and make btscan.sh available for anyone who wants it | 18:46 |
| milhouse | i won't roll into into the install script right now to avoid complication | 18:47 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: sort of success. :( I bet a lot of people have phones paired. | 18:47 |
| milhouse | it will ignore the phone | 18:47 |
| milhouse | unless it supports the audio profile | 18:47 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: it bloody didn't. | 18:47 |
| milhouse | ah, should have done | 18:47 |
| milhouse | ok, i need more info on your phone... mk2 coming up | 18:48 |
| gpd | does anyone know a good source of 8G SD cards for N800 in the UK? | 18:49 |
| greygoo | trevarthan: don;t want to disappoint you, but the buttons on my bt headset already control the kagu player quite well, just the already known delay is visible | 18:50 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: that's fine with me. :) I'm having issues here though. | 18:51 |
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| greygoo | trevarthan: i see, yes it's not perfect, but more i ever dared to expect ;) | 18:51 |
| gpd | hmm. they seem expensive (60GBP)... maybe i'll wait | 18:52 |
| timelyx | gpd: personally i wouldn't consider buying them for another 6 months | 18:52 |
| timelyx | or at least until 5.2007 ships (if such an animal happens to go out the door) | 18:52 |
| timelyx | it's a bad investment/gamble imo | 18:52 |
| gpd | timelyx: ok - top tip - thanks | 18:52 |
| timelyx | some other maemo forum will explain why i consider it such... | 18:53 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: they're telling me on #python that there is no way to nice the process at startup, and I need to be root to raise the priority after startup, so we're out of luck there. | 18:54 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: BTW, the SVN version of kagu goes into a low CPU mode when it is placed in the background. That should help a lot with skipping and multi-tasking. | 18:58 |
| trevarthan | greygoo: as of last night, the SVN version uses a lot less RAM too. | 18:59 |
| trevarthan | feel free to check it out (instructions on the kagu home page, all you need is the SVN client from maemo.org) and give it a spin yourself. | 18:59 |
| trevarthan | it's all python, so there's nothing to compile. just check out and run it. | 19:00 |
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| erstazi | where are the playlists stored for audio player? | 19:08 |
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| erstazi | ah got it: /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/osso-music-player/%gconf.xml | 19:10 |
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| trevarthan | hey, anyone want to re-implement milhouse's btscan.sh and install.sh in python for us with a nice GUI? Once we get a GUI on it, we can roll a nice user friendly version of bluetooth-alsa on maemo.org. | 19:40 |
| johdeval | trevarthan: I can probably convert the script to python but I am not familiar with hildon yet | 19:41 |
| trevarthan | you don't need to be with python. there are only like 2 or 3 calls you need to make. the rest is straight GTK. | 19:41 |
| johdeval | i haven't done much work with gtk in python but I can certainly try | 19:42 |
| trevarthan | you can check out kagu-scanner.py for some simple examples: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/kagu-scanner.py | 19:42 |
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| johdeval | where do I find the script you are talking about? | 19:43 |
| trevarthan | johndeval: http://www.nmacleod.com/a2dp/btscan.sh | 19:43 |
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| trevarthan | johndeval: milhouse's install.sh is here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8265&page=3 | 19:45 |
| johdeval | wow its gonna require a little bit of work. Do you want a true python implement or are system calls ok? | 19:45 |
| milhouse | or from www.nmacleod.com/a2dp/install.sh (latest version) | 19:45 |
| trevarthan | johndeval: true python please. | 19:45 |
| milhouse | i'll update that thread shortly | 19:45 |
| johdeval | I cant work with it right this second but I will give it some love this weekend. | 19:46 |
| milhouse | actually to avoid noise i'll create a new thread for the "simplified a2dp installation" | 19:47 |
| trevarthan | Sounds good. put all the requirements in there. first person to code it "wins". :) | 19:47 |
| trevarthan | then I or someone else will roll all of the bluetooth-alsa packages along with the new python app into a meta package and put it on maemo.org and everyone will be crazy happy. | 19:48 |
| johdeval | lol | 19:49 |
| johdeval | I have a dumb question what does this script help you acomplish? | 19:50 |
| milhouse | btscan.sh will identify your paired bluetooth headset address | 19:50 |
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| milhouse | currently the user has to run hcitool scan while the headset is in pairing mode which is a bit of a hassle | 19:51 |
| milhouse | this should make life a (tiny) bit easier | 19:51 |
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| milhouse | so now they pair their device, run btscan.sh, paste the address as a parameter to install.sh, run install.sh a second time as root (no parameter) and in theory they'll have a fully working a2dp system installed. | 19:52 |
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| johdeval | So technically btscan and install should be one app? | 19:55 |
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| cbx33 | hey peeps | 19:59 |
| cbx33 | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN | 19:59 |
| cbx33 | Got 98304 bytes instead of 994048 at 16384 | 19:59 |
| cbx33 | for my internal memo card | 19:59 |
| cbx33 | it keeps losing files | 19:59 |
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| cbx33 | and sometimes won't save | 20:00 |
| cbx33 | what's up with it | 20:01 |
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| pcfe | is it just on my end or did maemo.org go belly up? | 20:07 |
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| bldewolf_ | has anyone tried porting keepass to maemo? | 20:08 |
| cbx33 | grrrrrrrrr | 20:14 |
| erstazi | pcfe, it seems there server is down | 20:15 |
| erstazi | nevermind | 20:15 |
| erstazi | I am wrong | 20:15 |
| erstazi | pcfe, what do you mean belly up specifically? | 20:15 |
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| pcfe | erstazi: it's back up. I got a redirect error | 20:36 |
| cbx33 | any news on bug 1204 | 20:39 |
| cbx33 | it's doing my nut | 20:40 |
| sri | mornin | 20:42 |
| erstazi_n770 | pcfe, ok | 20:42 |
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| Jhdeval | Ta dum logged inroot | 21:02 |
| Jhdeval | Via pidgin | 21:02 |
| Jhdeval | Cant see what i am typing though | 21:03 |
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| procto | is there an app that can draw/sketch that I can actually edit colors on using the color picker? | 21:08 |
| procto | i.e. not just pick one of 12 builtins | 21:08 |
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| johdeval | AHHHH I am so tired of my internet we just lost dns resolution | 21:12 |
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| milhouse | new a2dp install instructions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65329#post65329 | 21:14 |
| milhouse | feedback welcome :) | 21:14 |
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| pupnik | procto you can try mtpaint | 21:30 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/mtpaint.html | 21:31 |
| pupnik | needs work tho | 21:31 |
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| johdeval | am I still here? | 21:31 |
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| pupnik | 1 | 21:36 |
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| jhdeval1 | WOW ITS small | 21:41 |
| milhouse | Exactly what are we talking about now? ;) | 21:42 |
| johdeval | The text in xchat on the n770 is tiny | 21:42 |
| milhouse | oh right... gets mind out of gutter. | 21:42 |
| johdeval | sm@rt @ss | 21:42 |
| milhouse | :) | 21:42 |
| procto | pupnik: thanks, I'll check it out | 21:42 |
| pupnik | so the xkbd has trouble sending to fullscreen sdl apps i've tried | 21:45 |
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| johdeval | OMG Gayest thing ever | 21:52 |
| johdeval | http://mail.google.com/mail/help/gmail_video.html#utm_source=en-et-newfea&utm_medium=et&utm_campaign=en | 21:52 |
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| pupnik | need more data | 21:53 |
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| William | How do i install Skype on my Nokia 770? | 21:53 |
| milhouse | as root, apt-get install skype | 21:53 |
| pupnik | i wonder if the keypad filter Z4300 prevents the multiple keypress, or whether it's a software limitation | 21:54 |
| William | How do i become root? I have installed xterm, and "sudo su" does not work | 21:54 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 21:55 |
| _Monkey | somebody said becomeroot was easily obtained from http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 21:55 |
| milhouse | William... I was kidding. You can't install Skype on a 770 | 21:57 |
| milhouse | (Sorry) | 21:57 |
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| William | :) - How do i install Gaim? | 21:58 |
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| milhouse | Install Pidgin | 21:58 |
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| milhouse | pidgin? | 21:59 |
| _Monkey | i guess pidgin is http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:59 |
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| amr | how do you see what percentage battery is remaining?? | 22:05 |
| William | Wow i need to add a lot of mirrors :P | 22:06 |
| William | Isn't there an official mirror with pidgin? | 22:07 |
| milhouse | william: that page is it, i think | 22:07 |
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| William | Yes - But i have to add some unofficial mirrors, which i don't like. | 22:09 |
| milhouse | no other options i'm afraid | 22:10 |
| milhouse | maemo-hackers.org is quite safe | 22:10 |
| milhouse | it's been around a _long_ time and doesn't host anything nasty | 22:10 |
| milhouse | you can always disable the "third party" repositories once you have installed pidgin, although that may mean you miss any udpates | 22:11 |
| William | ok - But I also need to add other mirrors i see | 22:12 |
| William | idefix.go-nic.ca | 22:12 |
| milhouse | that's the main pidgin site for this build... | 22:12 |
| milhouse | ie. the authors site | 22:12 |
| William | ok | 22:13 |
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| William | Thanks :) | 22:27 |
| William | see ya | 22:27 |
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| tso | grumble, file transfer, grumble... | 22:33 |
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| amr | no one answered me previously, how do i check the percentage of the battery | 22:47 |
| sp3000 | amr: what do you mean? what are you? | 22:51 |
| amr | what am i? | 22:51 |
| _Monkey | you are a massive idiot, thank you | 22:51 |
| * sp3000 rofl | 22:51 | |
| sp3000 | useful bot | 22:51 |
| sp3000 | amr: if you're human, you look at the statusbar battery indicator... | 22:51 |
| sp3000 | if you're a program, you ...dunno | 22:52 |
| amr | that doesnt say a percentage | 22:52 |
| amr | it shows a tiny representation of a battery | 22:52 |
| sp3000 | I'm not sure why a finer granularity is interesting | 22:53 |
| `0660 | well maybe amr is developing a program that would use it... | 22:58 |
| nchntr | lol, i am new to the whole maemo thing, but in all of my experiences i have seen nothing better than a bar indicator | 22:58 |
| amr | i would just like to know something a bit more exact | 22:59 |
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| nchntr | would be a nice feature, maybe one of the system plugins or status applications would have that, i found a few with CPU and MEM usage as well as more info on wifi signal etc.. | 23:00 |
| `0660 | in my experiences the percentage changes so quickly that there's no need to know it with better granularity :) | 23:00 |
| nchntr | my battery lasts about 4-5 hours i think a better resoultion on battery strength would be usefull to some peeps | 23:00 |
| nchntr | but i'm not stressing needing it | 23:00 |
| amr | well im not going to monitor it, id just like if i could click the icon and get told the percentage | 23:01 |
| tso | is there a non-root way of doing file transfer (that dont involve bluetooth, it has its own issues)? | 23:02 |
| tso | btw, the maemo stuff on setting up ssh no longer match the available tools imo | 23:03 |
| nchntr | I USE MaemoFTP | 23:04 |
| tso | duh, how on earth did i miss that one?! | 23:05 |
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| nchntr | hehe, i am still trying to get the Samba stuff to work | 23:05 |
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| tso | i have smbrowser installed but it fails to see a laptop i have a share active on :( | 23:06 |
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| nchntr | mounts shares (if lucky enuff to search them out) and i see them in file manager all directory structure is there, but files copied are only on my Nokia wont place them to the remote dir. as well none of the dir contents on the rem. share are visible | 23:07 |
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| nchntr | i put off researching that till time permits.. | 23:07 |
| nchntr | on a good note.. i bought a bluetooth gps (Pharos) and installed maemo-mapper.. works like a charm :) downloads maps from google on the fly, never more than a 1/4 black bar on the edge of screen (waiting for maps) while i cruise | 23:09 |
| tso | hmm, is maemo.org down? | 23:11 |
| tso | nope, so its only my 770 thats having issues | 23:11 |
| unique311 | disq, ??? | 23:12 |
| _Monkey | disq, is there no repo? just install deb from the side....? | 23:12 |
| unique311 | where is disq? | 23:12 |
| _Monkey | i heard disq was correct, although having a linux pc (even a live cd distro) is a lot, lot easier and more useful in the long run | 23:12 |
| erstazi | tso, I can check | 23:13 |
| tso | works now | 23:13 |
| erstazi | yeah | 23:14 |
| erstazi | it kept going on and off | 23:14 |
| unique311 | erstazi, i figured out my mistake with the theme.. | 23:14 |
| tso | for some reason it went into eternal connect when i tried to go directly to maemo.org/downloads | 23:14 |
| nchntr | does anyone know/have a theme with really big fonts? 18+ i have been looking and cannot seem to find one (other than AquaOS and i dont care for that) | 23:15 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: forget disq, | 23:16 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: I forgot disq, | 23:16 |
| tso | no wonder i missed maemoftp, it was in the wip section... | 23:16 |
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| tso | hmm, is there a applet or similar that can show the devices current ip? | 23:20 |
| nchntr | yes there is a systool that gives detailed wifi info | 23:21 |
| nchntr | has anyone here gotten their n770 to boot fom MMC yet? | 23:21 |
| erstazi | nchntr, pupnik has | 23:22 |
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| tso | what would the name of said ip address systool be? | 23:32 |
| tso | forget it. how the hell did i miss that one all this time?! | 23:33 |
| tso | just wish there was some way to put that on the "desktop" | 23:34 |
| nchntr | its ok im looking now | 23:35 |
| pupnik | what is ip address sytool for | 23:35 |
| tso | forget it. gigant typo :P | 23:35 |
| nchntr | downloads/system/ IpHome homepage plugin | 23:35 |
| tso | thanks | 23:36 |
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| tso | hmm, im surprised i missed it. i had allready checked that page atleast ones today... | 23:36 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif << virtual keyboard for any application | 23:41 |
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| tso | interesting "theme" | 23:42 |
| pupnik | it does interfere soemwhat tho | 23:43 |
| tso | keyboard? | 23:43 |
| _Monkey | keyboard is, like, important to have | 23:43 |
| pupnik | yeah running the keyboard preverts me from opening 2nd level menus | 23:44 |
| pupnik | prevents | 23:44 |
| sp3000 | perverts | 23:44 |
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| pupnik | ahhh maybe i found the problem | 23:44 |
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| nchntr | keyboard? USB or BT? | 23:51 |
| pupnik | +on screen | 23:52 |
| nchntr | pupnik, any insight as to getting my n770 to boot from MMC (with the least amt. of system mods)? | 23:52 |
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| pupnik | there's a howto | 23:52 |
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| nchntr | lol there are a few or many.. not sure which is best approach, figured someone out there might have some suggestions | 23:53 |
| pupnik | mmcboot? | 23:53 |
| nchntr | currently im considering the one that has you Pipe copy the os to a ext2 partition, then use flasher to boot from mmc | 23:53 |
| pupnik | _Monkey mmcboot is How to EASILY Boot from MMC card at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 23:54 |
| nchntr | i have also seen one which uses unionfs | 23:54 |
| pupnik | bleh @ unionfs | 23:54 |
| pupnik | less reliability | 23:55 |
| tso | hmm, got maemoftp going, but it just sitts there spinning when reading the home area of the suer i log in as... | 23:57 |
| pupnik | can you ftp from other clients? | 23:59 |
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