| Luria | oh, not the canola | 00:00 |
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| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | disq: you may use that if you want | 00:00 |
| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | ~/.canola/canola.db is sqlite3 | 00:00 |
| infobot | k-s[AWAY_WORK]: okay | 00:00 |
| disq | Luria: well. both authors currently have metalayer-crawler0 disabled in init.d. it would dive into my sardine partition and never come back. some other problems with trev. so, we're only trying to use the "good parts" of the osso-media-engine (like the player) | 00:00 |
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| Luria | oh, not the canola i wanted to delete it when i try to debug the utf issue | 00:00 |
| Luria | oops | 00:01 |
| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | ~/.canola/canola.db ? | 00:01 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that ~/.canola/canola.db is sqlite3 | 00:01 |
| infobot | /.canola/canola.db is, like, sqlite3 | 00:01 |
| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | aahahaha | 00:01 |
| Luria | i wanted to delete the db when i try to debug the utf issue | 00:01 |
| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | Luria: that's it | 00:01 |
| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | strace is your friend for these stuff :-D | 00:01 |
| Luria | k thnx | 00:01 |
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| k-s[AWAY_WORK] | strace -e trace=open canola | 00:01 |
| disq | Luria: you had a utf8 issue with kagu-scanner? please do debug or at least send us sample files, we'd like to reproduce | 00:02 |
| Luria | oops not for canola | 00:02 |
| Luria | disq, yeah i did | 00:02 |
| disq | i thought i fixed them all :) | 00:02 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah, I already talked to him about it. he's gonna look into it. | 00:02 |
| trevarthan | disq: no, urllib is still b0rked. | 00:03 |
| Luria | i just havent been home to get hebrew files on my machine | 00:03 |
| Luria | since it worked with german, im guessing its rtl+utf | 00:03 |
| Luria | but not sure | 00:03 |
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| disq | btw did you notice how we get album covers right most of the time (if the album/artist name is right?) :) gotta love audioscrobbler for that | 00:04 |
| Luria | yeah - it even got the arrl morse code instruction cds | 00:04 |
| trevarthan | yeah, it does a pretty good job. | 00:04 |
| Luria | i was shocked | 00:04 |
| pupnik | need libasound | 00:04 |
| Luria | still it would be nice to be able to shut off the download query | 00:05 |
| Luria | as an option | 00:05 |
| trevarthan | Luria: provide a cover.jpg or a folder.jpg and it won't try to download. | 00:05 |
| disq | hopefully kagu-config will give you some options on that in later releases | 00:06 |
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| Luria | btw, what do debug info do you want? terminal output+sample mp3+dmesg? | 00:09 |
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| Luria | err scratch the "do" | 00:09 |
| Luria | crap, xchat is too small | 00:09 |
| disq | term output and sample mp3 would be ok | 00:10 |
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| disq | (sample mp3 because we'd like to reproduce and be sure we got the fix right. if you can test it repeatedly again and again for us no need for the mp3 file obviously) | 00:11 |
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| Luria | watch, it failed on 10 tries last night; now it will work :-) | 00:11 |
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| rik__ | hi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye? | 00:18 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: libasound2 is binaries compiled under gregale at http://pupnik.de/ libasound2-dev_1.0.8-3_armel.deb libasound2-plugins_1.0.8-3_armel.deb libasound2_1.0.8-3_armel.deb | 00:19 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 00:19 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: alsa-oss is it2006 2.2 (gregale) binary deb package at http://pupnik.de/alsa-oss_1.0.8-1_armel.deb | 00:27 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 00:27 |
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| pupnik | anybody have favorite cflags for 770 926? | 00:36 |
| pupnik | for 770 i am using -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer | 00:37 |
| guardian | could scratchbox be installed on osx with the help of fink ? | 00:39 |
| Vertoo | anyone have experience with gammu? | 00:39 |
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| _Handful_ | guardian: I think it's easier to use the Maemo VMWARE image... than trying this : / | 00:57 |
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| guardian | sure easier but less cool :) | 00:58 |
| ||cw | fink is just a way to compile some tools for darwin right? or a binary repo already compiled for it right? | 00:59 |
| ||cw | if all the tools are there, with the options needed, don't see why it wouldn't work | 00:59 |
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| NeoStrider | hey folks | 01:00 |
| Luria | crap forgot i installed gammu | 01:00 |
| Luria | darn cli apps | 01:00 |
| _Handful_ | yeah : / | 01:01 |
| Luria | are there any p2p gui apps for the n800? | 01:10 |
| Luria | other than nicotine | 01:10 |
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| pupnik | P.E.OpS Sound drivers built | 01:15 |
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| NeoStrider | whats P.E.OpS? | 01:19 |
| pupnik | sound emu for psx spu | 01:20 |
| NeoStrider | and the rest of the emulator is working? | 01:20 |
| pupnik | it compiles now | 01:20 |
| milhouse | hmm... 4.2007 busybox sort doesn't work (ignores sort key)... anyone seen a working version of sort for maemo? | 01:20 |
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| pupnik | not here | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | what provides sort? | 01:24 |
| milhouse | busybox | 01:24 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... busybox is weak by default | 01:24 |
| milhouse | _monkey thanks | 01:25 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: pas de quoi | 01:25 |
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| milhouse | trying to sort a list on the first field, which is numeric and sort on n800 just ignores the keyfield (-k1n) yet it works fine on my ubuntu box | 01:25 |
| milhouse | basically, sort seems to be behaving the same as cat... anything i pipe through it is output in the same order... grrrrr | 01:26 |
| pupnik | debian package 'coreutils' milhouse | 01:26 |
| milhouse | is that available on n800? | 01:26 |
| milhouse | ooh... apt-cache says it is... i'll download it now | 01:27 |
| pupnik | i see it on 700 - apt-cache search coreutils | 01:27 |
| pupnik | :) | 01:27 |
| milhouse | thanks pupnik | 01:27 |
| milhouse | pupnik++ | 01:27 |
| milhouse | hmmm, seems it's a virtual package provided by busybox 3:1.4.1-osso2.2 | 01:28 |
| pupnik | if i build coreutils for you it will have a bunch of unneeded docs and manpages | 01:29 |
| pupnik | you'd have to remove that by hand | 01:29 |
| milhouse | nah don't worry | 01:29 |
| milhouse | but thanks for the offer | 01:29 |
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| milhouse | i was just messing about with a script to check space usage in /home/user and wanted it sorted by size | 01:30 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 01:31 |
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| pupnik | du -s /home/user/* |sort -n | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | du -s /home/user/* /home/user/.[a-z]* |sort -n | 01:33 |
| milhouse | hmmm... why is that sorting? | 01:33 |
| milhouse | yeah, the hidden directories are the tricky ones | 01:33 |
| milhouse | oh joy! | 01:34 |
| milhouse | sort -n works | 01:34 |
| milhouse | but sort -k1n does not | 01:34 |
| pupnik | ah yes | 01:34 |
| milhouse | i'm happy though, i can get by with sort -n | 01:34 |
| milhouse | :) | 01:34 |
| milhouse | thanks pupnik! | 01:35 |
| pupnik | happy to be of use | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | In Bernardo Bertolucci's epic, 1987 masterpiece on China, The Last Emperor, deposed emperor Pu-Yi (John Lone) complains bitterly to the benevolent, fatherly governor (Ruocheng Ying) of the communist prison in which the emperor is being re-educated, "You just used me!" The commandant responds calmly, "Is it so terrible, to be of use?" | 01:38 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey, repositories are not just a job, but an adventure! Add some for big win! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories | 01:40 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 01:40 |
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| chai_sangeen | hello everyone | 01:40 |
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| NeoStrider | hello chai_sangeen | 01:43 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik, nice to see ppl with knowledge =-P | 01:44 |
| chai_sangeen | if anyone can help, when i "apt-get upgrade" this is what i get, i'm running the latest nokia firmware http://pastebin.ca/642387 | 01:46 |
| pupnik | chai_sangeen: i don't know. suggest you email the package maintainer | 01:49 |
| pupnik | apt-cache show packagename.deb | 01:49 |
| chai_sangeen | pupnik: okay i'll do that right away, thanks... i think these packages are part of the sip client | 01:51 |
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| chai_sangeen | here is the link to there website http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:52 |
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| pupnik_ | 'Kerwood' sounds like a good name for an RPG | 02:11 |
| pupnik_ | i'm confused about sound and oss and alsa | 02:11 |
| kerwood | pupnik_: heh heh | 02:13 |
| pupnik_ | are you scottish? | 02:14 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik_: whats wrong with alsa and oss? | 02:15 |
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| pupnik_ | well /usr/include/linux/soundcard.h looks like oss | 02:17 |
| * NeoStrider is playing with gcc profiling =-D | 02:18 | |
| NeoStrider | I guess OSS is more kernel bound | 02:18 |
| NeoStrider | correct me if Im wrong | 02:18 |
| NeoStrider | it uses the sound card/chip just like an old DOS game | 02:18 |
| pupnik_ | but my emu wants to open /dev/dsp | 02:18 |
| NeoStrider | while alsa multiplexes it | 02:18 |
| pupnik_ | if ((so.sound_fd = open ("/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY)) | 02:18 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 02:18 |
| NeoStrider | thats the problem | 02:18 |
| NeoStrider | sometimes /dev/dsp is mapped to one of this sound systems | 02:19 |
| NeoStrider | you must check out how it is mapped | 02:19 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 02:19 |
| NeoStrider | I remember when I tried to use sdl_mixer under sbox and I coudlnt open /dev/dsp | 02:19 |
| pupnik_ | ok i need to get a file descriptor from oss | 02:20 |
| pupnik_ | that is not called with open /dev/dsp | 02:20 |
| pupnik_ | but something else | 02:20 |
| pupnik_ | int OSS_init(int seqfd, int buflen); | 02:20 |
| pupnik_ | maybe that | 02:20 |
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| pupnik_ | "programming by guessing" | 02:22 |
| NeoStrider | some distros map /dev/dsp as a ready to use descriptor...I guess alsa mostly does that | 02:22 |
| NeoStrider | welcome to the club =-) | 02:22 |
| NeoStrider | gtg | 02:24 |
| NeoStrider | brb | 02:24 |
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| disq | _Monkey: for example? | 02:43 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that for example is 0x00 a valid value for a Java bytecode? | 02:43 |
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| forcev_mobile | is it possible to set the default mail app to something elses | 02:50 |
| forcev_mobile | like claws? | 02:50 |
| milhouse | forcev: someone asked that on ITT recently | 02:51 |
| milhouse | i think the answer was no, but it's being looked into | 02:51 |
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| forcev_mobile | milhouse: thanks | 02:54 |
| unique311 | wheres trevarthan? | 02:55 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. | 02:55 |
| unique311 | lol | 02:55 |
| unique311 | where's unique311 | 02:55 |
| unique311 | where's unique311? | 02:55 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, i got a package for you. | 02:56 |
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| forcev_mobile | does the pimlico addressbook replace the builtin one? | 02:59 |
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| asdfsd | Hi all. When I'm in a dropbear client session, how do I end the session? | 03:05 |
| forcev_mobile | doesnt 'exit' work? im sure thats what i use | 03:06 |
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| asdfsd | Yep. It's 'exit'. Thanks! | 03:07 |
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| asdfsd | Ok, I'm working on reliably using sudo on my 770 in the interest of security best practices. So, user root has a non-default password, as does user 'user'. However, I'm having trouble using sudo... For example... | 03:14 |
| asdfsd | I've added user ALL = PASSWD: /bin/su to /etc/sudoers, but sudo su returns "sorry user user is not allowed to execute ' /bin/su -'" | 03:16 |
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| asdfsd | why does sudo return that error? | 03:16 |
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| milhouse | shouldn't you add /bin/su * or /bin/su - to sudoers? | 03:18 |
| milhouse | it's quite anal about how it matches | 03:18 |
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| asdfsd | So the line would look like "user ALL = PASSWD: /bin/su *" without the quotes in the sudoers file? | 03:25 |
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| asdfsd | Seems to return the same thing with /bin/su * and even with /bin/su - in the file. Is it enough to close the xterm window each time affter each edit o see if the edit has made an effect? | 03:32 |
| milhouse | closing the session isn't necessary | 03:37 |
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| milhouse | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/su * | 03:41 |
| milhouse | should wortk | 03:42 |
| milhouse | s/wortk/work | 03:42 |
| asdfsd | And then as far as syntax/usage, for example, if I want to edit a file that requires higher priviledges , I would type "sudo su" then hit return, then enter my pw at the prompt then i could do vi filename and hit enter and vi would open foo for editing, correct? | 03:44 |
| asdfsd | s/foo/filename | 03:44 |
| milhouse | no... /bin/su * means it needs at least one param | 03:45 |
| milhouse | ie - | 03:45 |
| asdfsd | what is the '-' parameter do/mean? | 03:45 |
| milhouse | loads a new environment | 03:45 |
| milhouse | sudo su - | 03:45 |
| milhouse | i just added | 03:48 |
| milhouse | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/su * | 03:48 |
| milhouse | to /etc/sudoers | 03:48 |
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| milhouse | and now if i type "sudo su -" | 03:48 |
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| milhouse | i sudo to root | 03:48 |
| milhouse | (from user) | 03:48 |
| milhouse | and if i type "sudo su - user" i start another suession as user... | 03:49 |
| milhouse | no password required due to NOPASSWD | 03:49 |
| jrbl | Greetings. I have recently gotten a Nokia 770 and I'm trying to get the development environment working, using the instructions at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html#settingup, but they appear to be incomplete. | 03:49 |
| milhouse | what is it you're trying to achieve again? | 03:49 |
| jrbl | Is there some other set of documentation that I should be using? | 03:49 |
| milhouse | asdfsd: actually, even "sudo su" seems to work, no need for "-" as a param | 03:50 |
| asdfsd | well, I wish to sudo as needed to install things like kismet while also making sure someone can't get root access to my 770 without a password. Now, NOPASSWD means that someone could get sudo access without a pw, but would have to be physically on the 770, right? So in other words, NOPASSWD isn't a security risk is it? | 03:51 |
| milhouse | well... | 03:52 |
| milhouse | it means that someone has to have comrpomised your little fella first | 03:52 |
| milhouse | by which time any password is pointless | 03:53 |
| milhouse | user doesn't normally have a password, so you've possible made it more insecure by setting one | 03:53 |
| milhouse | changing the default root password is a good idea, even if it's only theoretical that someone can/will compromise your device | 03:53 |
| milhouse | personally i don't bother... | 03:53 |
| milhouse | though i very rarely login as root and rely on ssh instead so i should really | 03:54 |
| asdfsd | I frequently have DMZ set up, and DHCP, so sometimes, the DMZ IP could point to the 770, so that's why I am worried. | 03:54 |
| milhouse | by ssh i mean i ssh in as user using a public/private key then get root using sudo gainroot | 03:54 |
| milhouse | do you put your 770 in the dmz? | 03:55 |
| asdfsd | Not intentionally, but my linksys doles out DHCP addys and the 770 could get the address from DHCP that's in the DMZ . | 03:56 |
| milhouse | only due to a misconfiguration surely? | 03:57 |
| milhouse | that shouldn't happen under normal circumstances | 03:57 |
| jrbl | Couldn't you just configure your linksys to give out specific IPs to specific MAC addresses? | 03:57 |
| milhouse | as that would be very bad... | 03:57 |
| asdfsd | The linksys stock firmware doesn't do DMZ by MAC | 03:57 |
| asdfsd | I'm switching to a wrt distro sometime | 03:58 |
| milhouse | sounds like a very good idea... i don't think i'd continue using a dhcp server that randomly put machines into a DMZ! | 03:58 |
| asdfsd | Exactly! My only option would be to continue using the stock firmware and use static IPs, which is a hassle. | 04:00 |
| milhouse | but less of a security risk! ;) | 04:00 |
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| milhouse | IP address is a property of the wireless connection on the 770 isn't it? | 04:01 |
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| milhouse | shouldn't be that much of a hassle | 04:01 |
| BcNexus | ok, now, I'm going back to messing with the sudoers file after this nice tangent | 04:01 |
| BcNexus | might come back to the IP issue, i do appreciate this. afk messing with sudoers :-) | 04:02 |
| milhouse | I suspect you're trying to fix the wrong problem to be honest | 04:02 |
| BcNexus | DMZ should be my first priority? | 04:03 |
| milhouse | yes | 04:03 |
| milhouse | ensure your 770 never goes in the dmz and you'll have to worry less about preventing access to your device. | 04:04 |
| milhouse | adding a password to user has potentially opened up one means of exploiting your device | 04:04 |
| BcNexus | Now how has adding a pw opened up a vulnerability? | 04:05 |
| jrbl | Couldn't he just configure the ssh server to disallow login by password? | 04:05 |
| milhouse | because it wasn't possible to login as user before you added the password, now it is | 04:05 |
| milhouse | user+password | 04:06 |
| milhouse | that is | 04:06 |
| milhouse | jrbl - probably... then why add the password in the first place? :) | 04:06 |
| jrbl | heh | 04:07 |
| jrbl | So, should I follow these 2.2 dev environment instructions to the (poorly edited) letter, or can I get away with using the scratchbox packages for Debian, which install the binaries as, e.g., sb-conf and friends? | 04:08 |
| jrbl | And if I'm supposed to be able to use the packaged version of the software (which seems to include the rootkit and everything else that the docs say to download), then is there some trick to using them? When I try to run 'sb-conf' I get errors. | 04:09 |
| BcNexus | This all started when i followed the instructions on http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ al the way until just before disabling root logon with password. Doing all the dsteps until that point gave me the error sorry user user is not allowed to execute ' /bin/su -' when using sudo su - or sudo su | 04:09 |
| jrbl | nopaste? | 04:10 |
| jrbl | hm. Bummer. | 04:10 |
| BcNexus | nopaste? | 04:10 |
| milhouse | ffs, i wish someone would just delete those becomeroot instructions - they're archiac | 04:11 |
| milhouse | s/archiac/archaic/ | 04:11 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: ffs, i wish someone would just delete those becomeroot instructions - they're archaic | 04:11 |
| jrbl | Yeah. nopaste. Some channel bots do nopaste, and saying 'nopaste?' will have them tell you the URL. Nopaste is a web-based dumping ground so you don't spam the channel with pastes of commands and error messages. | 04:11 |
| milhouse | just install the becomeroot package | 04:11 |
| milhouse | becomeroot? | 04:11 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 04:11 |
| milhouse | got to teach _monkey to fix that... | 04:12 |
| milhouse | Add http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user to your application manager and install becomeroot package | 04:12 |
| BcNexus | Heh "sudo gainroot" already works for me | 04:12 |
| BcNexus | Methinks I've been spinning my wheels/wasting my time, eh? | 04:13 |
| jrbl | So, can anyone help me get the actual development environment to work? | 04:13 |
| milhouse | i think you may be worrying about no a lot :) | 04:13 |
| milhouse | s/no/not/ | 04:13 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: i think you may be worrying about not a lot :) | 04:13 |
| BcNexus | Dvelopment env, sorry, no. | 04:14 |
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| jrbl | Bummer. Is there a better time/person to chat with? | 04:14 |
| milhouse | probably when europe isn't fast asleep | 04:15 |
| jrbl | So around 14:00UTC? | 04:16 |
| jrbl | Are most of the maemo devs in Europe, then? | 04:16 |
| milhouse | should be a good time :) | 04:16 |
| BcNexus | I think I'll remove my changes to the sudoers file then. | 04:16 |
| milhouse | maemo == Finland + Brazil, yes | 04:16 |
| jrbl | Really? I hadn't heard that that was the case. That's interesting. | 04:16 |
| BcNexus | wow, is Brazil in the EU now too? ;-) | 04:16 |
| jrbl | I like Finlanders and Brazilians. | 04:16 |
| jrbl | heh. | 04:17 |
| milhouse | yes, new member state | 04:17 |
| milhouse | ;) | 04:17 |
| milhouse | Those blonde haired amazonians are a sight to behold. | 04:17 |
| BcNexus | hey milhouse what ssh client do you prefer on your desktop/laptop/what have you? Or what linux distro u runnin? | 04:19 |
| milhouse | standard openssh | 04:19 |
| milhouse | on ubuntu and 770/n800 | 04:19 |
| milhouse | i avoid dropbear... | 04:19 |
| BcNexus | why avoid dropbear? | 04:20 |
| milhouse | why not? it's less functional than openssh, less standardised (compared to openssh) and seems to cause more problems when people install it. | 04:21 |
| milhouse | mind you that's just my opinion | 04:21 |
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| BcNexus | heh good reasons! and you've set up a key pair that allows you to connect to the 770 without a pw in ssh? | 04:22 |
| milhouse | dropbear was, i think, the first ssh server/client on 770 which is why some prefer it and reference it in (old) documentation | 04:22 |
| milhouse | bcnexus: yes | 04:22 |
| BcNexus | old documentation! hah, documentation seems to spread out and I don't know of any "current" or "new" documentation then! | 04:22 |
| BcNexus | s/to/too | 04:23 |
| milhouse | getting root is ridiculously easy these days... no need for all the dropbear/ssh as root nonsense really. | 04:23 |
| BcNexus | How do I sort the old cruft from the new stuff out there? Seems like an intrinsic problem perhaps, for all documentation. Is it all just read and compare and trial and error? | 04:24 |
| milhouse | pretty much | 04:25 |
| milhouse | a bit of intuition | 04:25 |
| milhouse | also | 04:25 |
| BcNexus | so your 770 doesn't have passwords, nor is ssh logon via password possible then ? | 04:26 |
| milhouse | only as root with rootme | 04:26 |
| milhouse | because i haven't disabled root login | 04:26 |
| milhouse | but if i did, then password logins would be impossible | 04:27 |
| BcNexus | how does rootme work again? | 04:27 |
| milhouse | ssh -l root <device> | 04:27 |
| milhouse | when prompted, enter rootme | 04:27 |
| milhouse | otherwise i just ssh -l user <device> | 04:27 |
| milhouse | and go strainht in without a password | 04:28 |
| BcNexus | rootme is the default pw? | 04:28 |
| milhouse | for root, yes | 04:28 |
| BcNexus | i plan to use my 770 as a monitor via vnc or rdesktop to control a car computer so it would always be wi fi on... | 04:29 |
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| BcNexus | car computer being a bocx in my car for surround sound music and gps | 04:30 |
| BcNexus | if not surround sound then for better interface with subs and full range speakers | 04:30 |
| BcNexus | crazy huh? sometime ago, i figure it would be better working on that than wasting my time in the summer watching tv :-) | 04:31 |
| milhouse | should be an interesting project :) don't forget install Carman too! | 04:32 |
| BcNexus | off by 1 :-( my car is OBDI, being a '96 | 04:33 |
| BcNexus | being a '95 | 04:33 |
| BcNexus | heh | 04:33 |
| jbinder | Does the 770 have an airplane mode? Lol. | 04:34 |
| milhouse | yes | 04:34 |
| jbinder | :O | 04:34 |
| jbinder | Where can I enable that? | 04:34 |
| BcNexus | 96s and newer have OBD-II | 04:34 |
| milhouse | jbinder - you mean offline mode? sometimes called flight mode? | 04:34 |
| BcNexus | tap the off button, select turn off wireless | 04:34 |
| milhouse | in the Power menu | 04:35 |
| jbinder | Oh. Ok. | 04:35 |
| jbinder | And to bring it back up? | 04:35 |
| jrbl | Oh, I think I may have the dev thing licked. But, now I have to go afk; I have an appointment. | 04:35 |
| milhouse | same | 04:35 |
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| jrbl | ttfn | 04:35 |
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| BcNexus | bye nice 2 meet u | 04:35 |
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| milhouse | cya bcnexus | 04:36 |
| BcNexus | u leavin? i meant bye 2 jrbl... | 04:36 |
| milhouse | ah... oh well time for me to get some kip, it's 2.36 here :( | 04:37 |
| milhouse | c u | 04:37 |
| BcNexus | I see. Thanks for your help! | 04:37 |
| milhouse | np | 04:37 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 05:02 |
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| rhys | ello | 05:14 |
| NeoStrider_IM | hello | 05:15 |
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| rhys | wesnoth! | 05:15 |
| rhys | reminds me. i need to download that | 05:15 |
| NeoStrider | angstron! | 05:15 |
| _Monkey | angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ | 05:15 |
| rhys | ?? | 05:15 |
| NeoStrider | reminds me, i need to finish that | 05:16 |
| NeoStrider | =-P | 05:16 |
| NeoStrider | just joking | 05:16 |
| rhys | off the top of your head, do you know how to search a man page? | 05:16 |
| rhys | man -k will search all man pages.. | 05:16 |
| NeoStrider | not really | 05:16 |
| NeoStrider | sorry | 05:17 |
| rhys | bah | 05:17 |
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| NeoStrider | im pushing more than 39000 polygons on the 770. NICE! | 05:23 |
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| pupnik_ | GIVE US A BETTER DPAD! | 05:32 |
| NeoStrider | hahahha | 05:33 |
| NeoStrider | there must be a way to plug a usb joypad! | 05:33 |
| pupnik_ | i was just testing uqm for a few hours and it was hell | 05:33 |
| NeoStrider | smw was a hell too | 05:33 |
| pupnik_ | but i could play while walking home | 05:34 |
| NeoStrider | often I was trying to jump and go left at the same time and hell, I just coudlnt | 05:34 |
| NeoStrider | yeah..this is great | 05:34 |
| NeoStrider | at least angstron works well with it | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | well a better dpad means you can play while standing on bus, waiting for train etc | 05:34 |
| frob | ....or crossing the road | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | a seperate controller means *joke* *fail* *no point* | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 05:35 |
| frob | mmmmmmm | 05:35 |
| frob | what about... | 05:35 |
| frob | ...using the phone keyboard as a remote ? | 05:35 |
| pupnik_ | i am thinking of gluing a ring | 05:35 |
| frob | via bluetooth | 05:35 |
| pupnik_ | if we are talking bluetooth then a stowaway keyboard works fine | 05:36 |
| NeoStrider | nice idea, frob | 05:36 |
| NeoStrider | not everybody wants to buy a kb | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | how many hands do you have frob? | 05:36 |
| frob | pupnik_: except it's more readily available | 05:36 |
| frob | pupnik_: lemme count... | 05:36 |
| NeoStrider | every average joe today has bt on his phone already | 05:37 |
| NeoStrider | both my parents have! | 05:37 |
| frob | tablet on one hand, phone on the other | 05:37 |
| * frob hasn't :°( | 05:37 | |
| NeoStrider | and if I tell them their phone has java they will ask me who spilled coffe on it! | 05:37 |
| * NeoStrider doesnt have BT either | 05:37 | |
| frob | anyway, *nobody ever* tought about using the phone as an input method for the tablet ? | 05:38 |
| NeoStrider | frob, its a GREAT idea | 05:38 |
| NeoStrider | it even has diagonals!!! | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | i don't see why it's a good idea | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | oh i got diagonals | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | in ur quan masters i managed to move diagonally | 05:39 |
| NeoStrider | how? | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | it's possible | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | very difficult | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | you have to get the angle perfect | 05:39 |
| NeoStrider | I remember the docs from the 770 launch, explaining what was the key mapping. there was no mention to diagonals | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | i can make a video :) | 05:40 |
| NeoStrider | cool. do it! | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | in planet landing sequence when you select where to land | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | you can move the cursor diagonally | 05:40 |
| NeoStrider | frob, there is a second issue: how to get those on our apps seeamsly? | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | stupid question: are there phones with good dpads? | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | (i have never owned one) | 05:41 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik...its not the phone's dpad | 05:41 |
| NeoStrider | its the numeric keypad | 05:41 |
| * NeoStrider once owned a N-Gage. best D-Pad ever | 05:41 | |
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| frob | damn.. | 05:44 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that damn is there no | 05:44 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: forget damn | 05:45 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider: I forgot damn | 05:45 |
| frob | as I was saying, *anybody ever* tought about using the phone as an input method for the tablet ? | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: damn is a very sad thing to say | 05:45 |
| _Monkey | OK, NeoStrider. | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | damn | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | I guess not | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | but the oposite, yes | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | there is selfone, that uses the tablet as a handsfree | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: damn | 05:46 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it damn is a very sad thing to say | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: there | 05:46 |
| _Monkey | there is some app that is drawing a lot of power | 05:46 |
| frob | mmm | 05:46 |
| frob | maybe it's just me, but I don't like filling the touchscreen with fingertips | 05:46 |
| * NeoStrider agrees....all that grease on the screen | 05:47 | |
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| NeoStrider | have you guys ever seen Desktop Mario? | 05:50 |
| NeoStrider | im running it on the tablet | 05:50 |
| NeoStrider | somewhat slower than desktop | 05:50 |
| NeoStrider | but still feasible | 05:50 |
| frob | do you play games the whole damn day NeoStrider? :D | 05:51 |
| NeoStrider | not really | 05:51 |
| NeoStrider | I just got home | 05:51 |
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| NeoStrider | take a look: | 05:51 |
| NeoStrider | http://overdrawn.net/mario/ | 05:51 |
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| pupnik | unless you have three hands | 05:52 |
| NeoStrider | I wish I could work with games...but...you know...not possible... | 05:52 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik: ? | 05:52 |
| theefer | reminds me from playing Mario on my TI-92+ :-) | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | =-D | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | this is not suitable for the tablet per se | 05:53 |
| frob | 'designed to be used as a windows active desktop' ?? | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | but its a good proof-of-concept that a cool tablet game can be written on js | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | yes | 05:53 |
| frob | that's like.. 1994 ? :P | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | you use it as you wallpaper | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | still works | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | its not confortable | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | but works | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | I did it once | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | only to change it back after 5 minutes | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | but thats not my point | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | the point is: we can write cool games this way | 05:54 |
| frob | it doesn't mean we should :D | 05:55 |
| NeoStrider | not the 3D stuff Im working on, sure, but Im sure some projects like hedgehop could benefit from it | 05:55 |
| NeoStrider | frob...do you want to handle all the junk stuff from a SDL app running on Maemo? | 05:56 |
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| NeoStrider | also, what if you "just want to make some cool games"? | 05:57 |
| NeoStrider | Im sure you're going to enjoy some easy gaming on your tablet | 05:58 |
| pupnik | we are long overdue for a decent genesis and snes emulator | 05:58 |
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| pupnik | the rpg games would be playable with the horrible dpad | 05:59 |
| frob | well, I haven't played a game in years, I actually discovered majhong on the tablet by accident | 05:59 |
| frob | and because I couldn't sleep | 06:00 |
| pupnik | majong and marbles are great | 06:00 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider: i looked at marbles - that's how sdl apps should all work | 06:00 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but did you saw its code? | 06:00 |
| pupnik | no | 06:00 |
| NeoStrider | must be dreadful =-P | 06:00 |
| NeoStrider | maemo-games-startup only gives us the kickstart | 06:01 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 06:01 |
| NeoStrider | designing something to be D-Bus aware is not trivial | 06:01 |
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| pupnik | one thing about the xsp - i have no problems with the menu button when my xsp window is on the left - then the menu never overdraws onto screen | 06:01 |
| NeoStrider | hum....nice solution heheh | 06:02 |
| pupnik | so if you have a 320x240 xsp window on the left side, you have no problems | 06:02 |
| NeoStrider | I will try this, then | 06:02 |
| * NeoStrider scratches his forehead before CLISP... | 06:03 | |
| pupnik | run away from lisp | 06:03 |
| NeoStrider | im actually implementing it | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | LOGO is lisp in a more pleasant lexical | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | and I actually like lisp | 06:04 |
| theefer | implementing it for what? | 06:04 |
| theefer | lisp is love :) | 06:04 |
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| pupnik | i had a university course using scheme, and it was good education | 06:05 |
| NeoStrider | theefer, LOGO as the scripting language for my game engine | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | lisp is beautifull | 06:06 |
| theefer | pupnik: based on the purple book? | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | but can be moody just like a beautiful woman | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, DrScheme is your friend | 06:06 |
| frob | and you sir, need a girlfriend | 06:07 |
| NeoStrider | LOGO make this charming moody lady more family friendly | 06:07 |
| pupnik | yes purple book :( | 06:07 |
| pupnik | :) | 06:07 |
| NeoStrider | hahhahah | 06:07 |
| theefer | pupnik: nice, best IT book I've ever read (I still need to get myself AoCP..) | 06:07 |
| NeoStrider | I like Cormen... | 06:08 |
| theefer | looks good too.. | 06:08 |
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| NeoStrider | I've got to admit | 06:09 |
| NeoStrider | I learned C++ from "Borland C++ for dummies" hahah | 06:09 |
| pupnik | yes theefer you read purple book, you study data structures, algorithms, operating systems - and then you get a job programming visual basic | 06:10 |
| pupnik | well some of us | 06:10 |
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| pupnik | nice NeoStrider - i bought the issue of Creative Computing magazine with the first borland advertisement :) | 06:11 |
| pupnik | he made a better pascal compiler than ibm | 06:11 |
| NeoStrider | wow! | 06:11 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, about VB...maybe I got just a little lucky on that: XSLT | 06:12 |
| NeoStrider | you know it? | 06:12 |
| theefer | pupnik: I'd rather clean the streets than code in VB for money :p | 06:12 |
| NeoStrider | theefer : isnt it the same thing? | 06:13 |
| theefer | No, on involves playing around with poo, and the other requires you to be outside. | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | hahaahah | 06:14 |
| * theefer is off to lunch | 06:15 | |
| NeoStrider | but both requires messing around with thing nobody wants anymore | 06:15 |
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| NeoStrider | brb...gotta take a shower | 06:18 |
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| trevarthan | sent you an email unique311. Took me a while to figure out how to fix it, but those instructions should help. | 06:32 |
| unique311 | k | 06:34 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, did you notice the pink pixels i was talking about | 06:35 |
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| unique311 | k got the email. | 06:38 |
| unique311 | work on that 2morrow. | 06:38 |
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| disq | trevarthan: hey | 06:40 |
| disq | read the log, also ks's smartsprite class and all that | 06:40 |
| NeoStrider | unique311? | 06:41 |
| unique311 | ya | 06:41 |
| NeoStrider | was you who asked for a pacman,right? | 06:42 |
| NeoStrider | yesterday | 06:43 |
| unique311 | yeah | 06:43 |
| unique311 | i tried compile njam.. | 06:43 |
| unique311 | no go | 06:43 |
| NeoStrider | to possibilities here | 06:43 |
| unique311 | pacman-10 no go | 06:43 |
| NeoStrider | 1) one made with my game engine: BZK | 06:43 |
| NeoStrider | 2) one made on javascript | 06:43 |
| NeoStrider | 1 depends on me finishing the scripting language or figuring out how to make it easily on C++ (not hard, but takes some time) | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | 2 depends on my learing js and the controls being good | 06:44 |
| pupnik | unique311: can you paste the error you had with njam? | 06:44 |
| pupnik | it worked fine here | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | i guess 1 will be faster | 06:45 |
| unique311 | no errors...compiled | 06:45 |
| pupnik | (of course njam does not play like pac man) | 06:45 |
| unique311 | but segfault | 06:45 |
| pupnik | ahh | 06:45 |
| unique311 | been getting lots of segfaults in scratchbox | 06:45 |
| unique311 | not sure why | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | strange... | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | get me this njam code | 06:45 |
| pupnik | apt-get source njam | 06:46 |
| unique311 | pupnik compiled it.. | 06:46 |
| unique311 | said its working | 06:46 |
| unique311 | but maps are 800x600 | 06:46 |
| pupnik | yeah http://pupnik.de/njam_1.25-3_armel.deb | 06:46 |
| pupnik | just needs smaller tiles, or smaller maps | 06:46 |
| unique311 | btw, xmame sucks | 06:47 |
| unique311 | no offense | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_gregale_free_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | =-( | 06:47 |
| pupnik | keyboard configu problems? | 06:47 |
| pupnik | xmame can't play newer games - only the real old ones | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | you mean the good ones? =-P | 06:47 |
| unique311 | figured that out. | 06:47 |
| pupnik | gravitar, spacewar, joust, robotron are the real good ones! | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | tempest!!! 8-)~ | 06:48 |
| pupnik | tempest needs the wheel imo | 06:48 |
| NeoStrider | s/8-)/8-O/ | 06:48 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: tempest!!! 8-O~ | 06:48 |
| NeoStrider | and tempest should be very playable on that dpad | 06:49 |
| unique311 | njam will do with the fix for maps.. | 06:49 |
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| pupnik | GIVE US A BETTER DPAD NOKIA! | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | calm down, pupnik | 06:56 |
| NeoStrider | the tablets were not even designed for it | 06:57 |
| NeoStrider | we're lucky they are f*cking great as a gaming plataform , from the software point of view | 06:57 |
| theefer | mh, is it possible to record video using the N800 embedded camera? | 06:59 |
| NeoStrider | yes with a 3rd party app | 06:59 |
| NeoStrider | otherwise, no | 07:00 |
| theefer | 3rd party and closed-source, or free? | 07:00 |
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| NeoStrider | open, I guess | 07:01 |
| NeoStrider | its @ garage | 07:01 |
| NeoStrider | they released a new version this days | 07:01 |
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| unique311 | ncurses-bin broken | 07:07 |
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| NeoStrider | I feel bad | 07:20 |
| NeoStrider | go to go | 07:20 |
| NeoStrider | get some sleep | 07:20 |
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| pupnik | it's fun to port stuff to the tablets but it sure as hell isn't fun to play anything on them | 07:27 |
| unique311 | yup | 07:27 |
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| pupnik | hey unique311 i'm happy though - the sound modules compiled for pcsx - all i need is the iso/cdrom loader and the input plugin now | 07:37 |
| pupnik | more than halfway there to the 30 frame-per-minute playstation emulator :) | 07:38 |
| unique311 | 30 | 07:39 |
| unique311 | 1 | 07:39 |
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| pupnik | nah i bet we'll get at least 30 frames per minute | 07:40 |
| unique311 | k | 07:42 |
| pupnik | hey unique311 did you see that people are starting to run ps2 games? | 07:42 |
| pupnik | it's still really early - will be a couple years before it's solid | 07:43 |
| pupnik | but right now is the time when you can find ps2 full versions in the magazine shelves for a couple of bucks | 07:44 |
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| unique311 | going to get an iphone... | 07:49 |
| unique311 | my contract is up with sprint | 07:49 |
| nwp | anyone using a 770 with the gregale repos? | 07:49 |
| nwp | only libc6 there has a bash-ist postinst | 07:50 |
| nwp | and I really don't want to go there | 07:50 |
| nwp | not unless it is now the "done thing" | 07:51 |
| nwp | long version: I want to install + run kagu, but have got in a long saga of installing python2.5, and now find that having installed the gregale repo, and upgrade gives a new libc, which has a postinst that uses /bin/bash | 08:04 |
| unique311 | having problems with ncurse bin. | 08:07 |
| unique311 | its showing up in app manager that it is install.. | 08:07 |
| unique311 | but with errrors | 08:07 |
| unique311 | i'm guessing because the icons is red with ! in it | 08:07 |
| nwp | do you have xterm installed? | 08:07 |
| unique311 | now apt-get tells me the way to fix is to apt-get -f install | 08:08 |
| unique311 | i tried that and it still gives me errors | 08:08 |
| unique311 | saying | 08:08 |
| unique311 | errors were encountered while processing | 08:08 |
| unique311 | var/lib/''/''/ncureses-bin''''' | 08:09 |
| unique311 | var/lib/''/''/ncurses-bin''''' | 08:09 |
| nwp | what's the exact full error message? | 08:11 |
| unique311 | this is on my device.. | 08:11 |
| unique311 | its long | 08:11 |
| unique311 | let me pastebin | 08:11 |
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| unique311 | http://pastebin.ca/642663 | 08:15 |
| Vertoo | hey all | 08:16 |
| nwp | unique311: the "serious warning" is not a good sign -- have you had a "disk full" at some point while manipulating packages? | 08:21 |
| nwp | cos something looks to have got screwed up somehow | 08:22 |
| unique311 | no | 08:22 |
| unique311 | ncurses-bin screwed it up. | 08:22 |
| unique311 | i remember reading it was broken after getting the unable to install error | 08:22 |
| unique311 | but when i got that error, i thought it didn't install it | 08:23 |
| unique311 | i was wrong | 08:23 |
| nwp | well, /usr/bin/clear is listed as being part of busybox, and the new package is trying to divert it | 08:23 |
| unique311 | it installed something that kept it as being installed | 08:23 |
| nwp | when divert fails, it just says "uh-oh, can't do this because I conflict with busybox" I think | 08:23 |
| nwp | when things break on install it's usually the postinst script being screwy, which means that the package is installed but not fully configured | 08:24 |
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| unique311 | i found 1 file from the package ncurses-bin | 08:25 |
| unique311 | installed | 08:25 |
| unique311 | thats it | 08:25 |
| unique311 | suppose to install i think 10 | 08:26 |
| unique311 | clear is an ncurses-bin item | 08:27 |
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| nwp | unique311: yes, but it seems that the file list for the old version has gone awol, it doesn't know that | 08:29 |
| nwp | and it's also in busybox, so it's getting confused | 08:29 |
| unique311 | actually clear is not in /usr/bin/ | 08:31 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, unique311. | 08:31 |
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| unique311 | going to install it manually | 08:32 |
| unique311 | and see if divert plays nice | 08:32 |
| nwp | best bet might be to check what divert thinks is where | 08:35 |
| nwp | then if it is confused, fix it | 08:35 |
| unique311 | where is divert located? | 08:35 |
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| nwp | which may involve removing ncurses-bin completely, making sure diversion is consistent, then installing new version of ncurses-bin | 08:36 |
| unique311 | its not installed | 08:37 |
| nwp | not at all? | 08:37 |
| unique311 | i tried dpkg --purge | 08:37 |
| unique311 | and it said package is not installed | 08:37 |
| unique311 | at all | 08:37 |
| nwp | since that error you pasted? | 08:37 |
| unique311 | but then app manager shows it as being installed | 08:37 |
| nwp | cos at that point something thinks it is installed | 08:37 |
| unique311 | isn't there a way to forcefully remove apps with apt | 08:39 |
| nwp | use dpkg | 08:39 |
| unique311 | purge | 08:39 |
| unique311 | i tried that already | 08:40 |
| nwp | remove it with dpkg and apt should know it's gone | 08:40 |
| nwp | yes, so something got left behind | 08:40 |
| nwp | you're probably best off trying to find someone who knows apt/dpkg a bit better than I do to work out what is confusing it | 08:40 |
| nwp | what does dpkg -s ncurses-bin say? | 08:41 |
| unique311 | not installed no info is available | 08:43 |
| nwp | OK, so dpkg is convinced it's gone but something else thinks it is still there | 08:45 |
| nwp | sorry I have to go now, but I'm probably not the best person to help anyway... | 08:45 |
| nwp | so good luck I guess | 08:45 |
| unique311 | k | 08:46 |
| unique311 | thanks | 08:46 |
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| unique311 | got it | 08:58 |
| unique311 | finally | 08:58 |
| unique311 | dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq ncurses-bin | 08:58 |
| unique311 | that was the command that help | 08:58 |
| unique311 | found it on a here http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=45:8537-59 | 08:59 |
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| unique311 | finally fixed my apt-get. | 09:07 |
| unique311 | feels good | 09:07 |
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| inz | timeless, sure, the memmove could be moved outside the for-loop, but imo it's clearer that way, and the function overhead shouldn't be that large | 09:20 |
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| inz | timeless, my patch is now in svn (on stage) | 09:24 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 10:39 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:30 |
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| madam | hello all, anyone care to tell me what's happening with HildonNamePasswordDialog in the new haf? the only widget that seems to come close is HildonGetPasswordDialog but i want to ask for the user name as well, of course. | 11:46 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:24 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 12:24 |
| disq | _Monkey: example? | 12:25 |
| _Monkey | disq: no idea | 12:25 |
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| * lardman has more python questions | 12:28 | |
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| lardman | I'm after a scrollable widget to display results of calculations. I was using a TreeView, but I can't seem to get any click events out of it (may be my ineptitude) | 12:28 |
| madam | disq: yesterday, if you'll remember, i complained about my app not minimizing to the task navigator. i forgot to mention it happened on an oldie N770. this morning i another simple app of mine that didn't osso_initialize() at all. conversely it *did* minimize correctly on N800 (and failed on N770). does this information bring something in your mind? | 12:29 |
| disq | 770 firmware could be very very old? nothing else comes to mind | 12:29 |
| lardman | I was then looking at a table, with buttons for the equation and result, but can't seem to get that to update dynamically. Anyone have a recommendation for which way to proceed, so I don't waste time with something that won't work? | 12:30 |
| dizquierdo | hi!, is there a public svn where kernel used by maemo is developed? | 12:30 |
| madam | disq: uname tells me it's not a year old (Nov 2006) | 12:31 |
| disq | weird | 12:32 |
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| Iserlohner | Hi everyone. Do someone of you know, where i can get the libsmm package for nokia n800? thanks for response | 12:34 |
| inz | Iserlohner, do you mean the hildon-libsmm? | 12:36 |
| Iserlohner | yes | 12:37 |
| Iserlohner | @inz+ | 12:38 |
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| madam | Iserlohner: google finds it on repo.m.o | 12:40 |
| Iserlohner | madam: sorry what is this? | 12:41 |
| inz | Iserlohner, it in extras repository (deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free) | 12:42 |
| inz | Iser, or if you're interested in the deb itself, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/h/hildon-libsmm/ | 12:43 |
| Iserlohner | thanks al lot for your help | 12:44 |
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| lardman | ah, button-press-event | 12:49 |
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| Iserlohner | madam: another question: i have dependencies on libsigc++ during installing hildon-libsmm do you know wheres the right deb for this too?? | 12:55 |
| inz | Iser, same repo | 12:57 |
| inz | Iser, under libs/libsigc++-2.0/ instead of h/hildon-libsmm/ | 12:57 |
| Iserlohner | thanks a lot again | 12:57 |
| disq | _Monkey: extras? | 13:02 |
| _Monkey | disq: bugger all, i dunno | 13:02 |
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| disq | _Monkey: extras is http://repository.maemo.org/extras (distribution: "bora" for n800, "gregale" for n770) (components="free non-free") | 13:03 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 13:03 |
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| timelyx | dizquierdo: kernel for maemo is done in git | 13:24 |
| timelyx | because kernel for linux is done in git | 13:24 |
| timelyx | dizquierdo: unfortunately there are something like 20 different copies of the kernel intenrally | 13:25 |
| dizquierdo | oh | 13:25 |
| timelyx | and i can't figure out which one is canonical. if i could, i'd stick it up on timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ next to the garage and sardine cross references | 13:25 |
| timelyx | i suppose i could go download the official sourceballs for 770/n800 and cross reference them.... | 13:26 |
| timelyx | i might even do that | 13:26 |
| timelyx | generally speaking, the kernel team tries very hard not to ship with deltas from standard linux | 13:26 |
| timelyx | (there are some changes to mmc stuff, which is unfortunate, but ...) | 13:27 |
| timelyx | dizquierdo: precisely what problem do you have or are you trying to solve? | 13:27 |
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| timelyx | do you just want something to read because you have nothing better to do? | 13:27 |
| timelyx | do you want to follow kernel development? | 13:27 |
| timelyx | do you want to contribute in some area? | 13:27 |
| timelyx | explain what you want done, and if it's reasonable, i'll see about helping from where i sit | 13:28 |
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| dizquierdo | just follow the kernel development | 13:29 |
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| timelyx | follow the standard kernel development then | 13:30 |
| timelyx | it should be fairly easy to spot the nokians | 13:30 |
| timelyx | or their minions | 13:30 |
| dizquierdo | ok, I understand, it's the same kernel with brief changes | 13:30 |
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| inz | The linux-omap might be som'n to follow too | 13:31 |
| dizquierdo | thank you very much timelyx for the info :) | 13:31 |
| dizquierdo | and for your time | 13:32 |
| timelyx | yeah. most of the git kernel repos are omap relatives | 13:32 |
| timelyx | (although some have other names) | 13:33 |
| timelyx | but there are really too many for me to try to figure out which is interesting | 13:33 |
| timelyx | inz: btw, where are you (/msg timelE61i) | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | doh | 13:35 |
| inz | doh? | 13:37 |
| inz | wrong city? | 13:37 |
| timelE61i | yes | 13:40 |
| timelE61i | do you ever travel east? | 13:40 |
| inz | East? | 13:41 |
| timelE61i | southeast? | 13:41 |
| inz | South sometimes, east rarely. | 13:42 |
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| amr | i should get my 770 tomorrow morning | 14:09 |
| amr | thank the lord | 14:09 |
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| timeless | inz: ping | 15:08 |
| timeless | inz: ive seen you have a control panel applet | 15:08 |
| timeless | i noticed the control panel item doesn't suport the small icon size | 15:09 |
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| guardian | hmm guess i found a bug in sapwood | 15:12 |
| guardian | gtk_paint_box with a width < 10 fucks up the drawing of the box :/ | 15:13 |
| guardian | does it ring a bell ? (checking the bugzilla in the meantime) | 15:13 |
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| guardian | i confirm | 15:28 |
| guardian | invoking gtk_paint_box with a style that does not use sapwood engine words perfectly when box width is < 10 | 15:29 |
| guardian | but invoking gtk_paint_box with a style that uses sapwood engine fails when box width is < 10 | 15:29 |
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| inz | timeless, yeah, I've noticed that too, haven't had time to fix it though | 15:38 |
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| Toma- | how can i put angstrom on my 770? | 15:39 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 15:47 |
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| |tbb| | hi all, anyone got experience with synergy (mouse + keyboard sharing utility) ? | 15:58 |
| madam | disq: finally i've solved my problem with iconification. it turns out not to have anything to do with osso (hence with osso_initialize()); the problem was the missing .desktop file. my collegue advised me to learn reading and exercising more patience. can't agree more, doh. | 16:00 |
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| |tbb| | pidgin takes up to 70% of cpu power, is that normal? | 16:06 |
| bedboi | pidgin sucks. | 16:06 |
| bedboi | bitlbee rules. | 16:06 |
| |tbb| | is that ported to maemo | 16:07 |
| bedboi | back in the times of n770 it worked | 16:08 |
| bedboi | i don't remember if i just crosscompiled it or something | 16:08 |
| bedboi | btw it worked | 16:08 |
| |tbb| | pff my battery drains a much, cant remember that gaim done that before | 16:10 |
| ||cw | pidgin is a desktop app, with 500Mhz+, FPU, l2 cache, and all that goodness in mind, ported to maemo. only so much can reasonably be changed. using the all the CPU for short periods should be expected | 16:10 |
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| ||cw | wifi sucks on the battery as well | 16:11 |
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| dieguito | pidgin queries each 5 secs for idle time and screensaver support | 16:30 |
| dieguito | it's supposed to be fixed on 2.0.1 | 16:30 |
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| red-zack | servus | 16:49 |
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| AD-N770 | someone know why curses support is removed on pymaemo ? | 17:08 |
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| madam | i'm wandering, what's the relation between xomap, x.org and xserver-kdrive? | 17:16 |
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| luck^ | AD-N770, only SDK has curses, not the device | 17:18 |
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| AD-N770 | luck^: but, curses could be installed on the device ? | 17:21 |
| luck^ | AD-N770, for sure.. but we dont install to save disk space | 17:22 |
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| AD-N770 | luck^: but it could be provided in a separate package, | 17:25 |
| AD-N770 | just for ppl that need it | 17:25 |
| AD-N770 | like me today :) | 17:25 |
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| luck^ | :) AD-N770, could you open an enhancement request in our bugzilla? | 17:28 |
| AD-N770 | luck^: I will do it | 17:28 |
| luck^ | thanks! | 17:28 |
| luck^ | AD-N770, we can try to put this in the next pymaemo release | 17:29 |
| AD-N770 | ok | 17:29 |
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| ppires | hey | 17:37 |
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| pupnik | lardman: did you ever check with the libvorbis guys to see if anyone else has ported an open-source ogg player to another dsp? | 17:43 |
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| strid | hi | 17:53 |
| strid | I got my 770 yesterday and I'm a little overwhelmed | 17:54 |
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| whaq_ | strid: in a good way? how do you like it so far? | 18:01 |
| pupnik | happened to me again last night on my walk. "this is what i wanted in the 21st centure back in 1988!" :P | 18:03 |
| pupnik | also the slimness and hardness of the 770 case makes it seem like something from a more advanced civilization | 18:04 |
| strid | whaq_: I like it, but it's definitely kind of slow | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | have you upgraded to the latest firmware release yet? | 18:05 |
| strid | and I wish the os would use the mmc for applications, and also use more than 64 mb as ram | 18:05 |
| strid | it apparently had the latest firmware already | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | good | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | you can create a swap file on mmc, this will reduce the memory pressure somewhat | 18:05 |
| strid | I did that, but it still seems quite slow. Probably just the cpu. | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | it is possible to use the mmc for os + applications, but it seems very involved and I never tried that | 18:06 |
| strid | and it was limited to 64 mb | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | (the instructions are somewhere on the maemo.org wiki) | 18:06 |
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| strid | I think I saw that, booting from mmc? Seemed too complicated to perform without a proper keyboard | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | the 770 is slightly on the "too slow" side of "usable", while the n800 is sligtly on the "just fast enough but could be better" side | 18:06 |
| pupnik | for horrid icky websites my pentium 3 950 is on the 'too slow' side | 18:07 |
| strid | the price is what made me get the 770 anyway, getting the n800 was never in question | 18:07 |
| strid | so I'm happy overall | 18:07 |
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| strid | it seems that quite a few of the applications I install doesn't show up in the gui's menu, though? | 18:08 |
| strid | do they have to be accessed through term? | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | I like the design of the 770 better, although N800's integrated stand is very handy | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | probably, if those are command-line apps | 18:08 |
| strid | aircrack-ptw | 18:09 |
| pupnik | one way to run arbitrary shell commands and hotlink them to a menu is https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ | 18:10 |
| pupnik | requires a reboot after install | 18:10 |
| strid | "show cpu load, memory consumption, make screenshots" | 18:11 |
| strid | is that the same app? | 18:11 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:12 |
| strid | is load-applet-run required as well? | 18:12 |
| pupnik | hmm | 18:12 |
| pupnik | load-applet-run is what the package is called | 18:12 |
| pupnik | maybe there are different versions | 18:13 |
| strid | I just installed load-applet and load-applet-run, hopefully they'll get along | 18:13 |
| pupnik | could be the link i pointed you to doesn't have the run capability | 18:14 |
| pupnik | i only installed load-applet-run - sorry if that was a mistake | 18:14 |
| strid | I'll go for just that one, then | 18:14 |
| strid | it requires a restart, you say? | 18:15 |
| pupnik | i don't know how to start it manually | 18:15 |
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| strid | I'd love to figure out how to run aircrack-ptw | 18:19 |
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| pupnik | if you want to clear up space, you can clean out stuff in /home/user/Mydocs/.* | 18:21 |
| pupnik | you can also free up space with unneeded locales and themes, but be careful | 18:21 |
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| pupnik | whoah iodine is cool | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | what is it? | 18:24 |
| _Monkey | i guess it is a puzzle | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | googling for "iodine" does not give good results | 18:24 |
| pupnik | http://code.kryo.se/iodine | 18:25 |
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| pupnik | mulliner does nice work | 18:39 |
| pupnik | i need a media player like with xmodmap binding to a key to quickly flag a song as + or - | 18:46 |
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| strid | how do I use maemoscrobbler? | 18:49 |
| pupnik | maemoscrobbler? | 18:52 |
| pupnik | monkey should be taught to respond to "how do I" queries | 18:52 |
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| strid | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemoscrobbler | 18:52 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, is monkey a supybot? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | is a bot. type unknown to me | 18:54 |
| strid | I guess maemoscrobbler requires a media player to support it in order to work? | 18:55 |
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| erstazi | hello garrett, melmoth, tank17, dolske | 18:59 |
| erstazi | strid, I never tried maemoscrobbler | 19:00 |
| garrett | hey | 19:00 |
| melmoth | hi there | 19:00 |
| erstazi | how are you folks today? | 19:01 |
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| pupnik | http://scourge.sourceforge.net/ << a nice game to port if/when we get opengl | 19:13 |
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| * sp3000 wonders what format .osso_rss_feed_reader/cache/images are in | 19:14 | |
| erstazi | sp3000, ssh? what OS version do you have? | 19:14 |
| sp3000 | ahh, looks like they contain a header and then the image | 19:15 |
| sp3000 | which is why nothing recognizes them | 19:15 |
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| strid | just running aircrack is frustrating | 19:22 |
| pupnik | takes a bit of reading to figure out wtf to do | 19:23 |
| strid | yeah, I wish there was a comprehensible 770 guide for it | 19:24 |
| strid | right now I'm not even sure if I have the right packages | 19:24 |
| deejoe | whee. | 19:24 |
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| mgedmin | it would be much better to have a polished package that didn't need documentation and just worked out of the box | 19:25 |
| deejoe | finally got my hardware keyboard control panel configured for the right keyboard, so now my bluetooth keyboard seems to work right. | 19:25 |
| pupnik | i think it's good that it's not easy to use | 19:25 |
| erstazi | pupnik, why is that? | 19:25 |
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| milhouse | keeps the script kiddies at bay :) | 19:33 |
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| erstazi | ah, milhouse | 19:35 |
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| strid | 770 doesn't support usb 2.0, does it? copying a 50 mb file to the mmc takes 20 minutes :( | 19:37 |
| milhouse | think it's usb1 only | 19:37 |
| ||cw | rs-mmc isn't that fast anyway | 19:38 |
| pupnik | standard kernel also uses slow/compatible mmc speed | 19:38 |
| milhouse | oh no it is usb 2.0 according to this page http://europe.nokia.com/A4145105 | 19:38 |
| milhouse | you'd be better off a) upgrading to the fast kernel or b) copying using your PC | 19:39 |
| strid | I don't have an mmc reader on my pc | 19:40 |
| milhouse | do you have an SD reader? | 19:40 |
| strid | wait, wait | 19:40 |
| strid | fuck my ass, I think I just found an mmc reader on this thing | 19:40 |
| strid | wow. | 19:40 |
| milhouse | :) | 19:40 |
| gla55 | hah | 19:41 |
| ||cw | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2847&highlight=fastest | 19:41 |
| strid | whoops | 19:42 |
| strid | I'm not sure that was an mmc reader after all | 19:42 |
| strid | and I just know I'm not going to get it out of there | 19:42 |
| gla55 | on my laptop getting the mmc card out is bitchy | 19:43 |
| gla55 | usually needs a knife | 19:43 |
| ||cw | did you use the rs to full size adaptor? | 19:43 |
| strid | that sounds safe | 19:43 |
| gla55 | or clippers | 19:43 |
| strid | I should've used the fin attatchment that clips on the rear of the chip | 19:43 |
| milhouse | aye... | 19:43 |
| gla55 | you didn't? hah :) | 19:43 |
| strid | oh, it's recognized | 19:43 |
| ||cw | that's what it's for | 19:43 |
| strid | it WAS a reader | 19:43 |
| strid | yeah, but I left it in my flat | 19:44 |
| milhouse | maybe you can clip it on while it's still in the slot | 19:44 |
| strid | I have a stylus and patience | 19:44 |
| strid | no laptop will get the best of me | 19:44 |
| strid | i hate acer. | 19:45 |
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| gla55 | hehe | 19:48 |
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| gla55 | it's bitchy to get out even if it's a fullsize | 19:49 |
| gla55 | cause there isn't that thing you have on some readers and pda's that pushes it out if you press it in a bit | 19:49 |
| gla55 | at least my acer doesn't have that | 19:49 |
| milhouse | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/02/nokia_new_coke/ <--- another example of nokia understanding their user base. sigh. | 19:49 |
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| milhouse | Huh? Psion developed Hildon...? Interesting. | 19:51 |
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| atla | ah | 19:53 |
| atla | the right channel! | 19:53 |
| atla | hi | 19:53 |
| atla | are there any speculations yet when the next maemo device (successor of the n800?) will be available? | 19:54 |
| gla55 | milhouse: the article seems a bit weird | 19:54 |
| gla55 | milhouse: on saying that s90 lives on "almost unchanged" as maemo is a .. well.. stretch | 19:55 |
| milhouse | atla: no | 19:55 |
| ||cw | atla: I think it will be a monday | 19:55 |
| milhouse | gla55: yes, something of a stretch. interesting to discover Psions involvement (assuming it's true/accurate) | 19:55 |
| milhouse | atla: hopefully not for another 9 months at least :) | 19:56 |
| erstazi_n770 | ||cw, i heard tuesday | 19:56 |
| gla55 | milhouse: it might be, but theres a lot of hogwash right there in the article | 19:56 |
| atla | so no speculations at all? | 19:56 |
| atla | one year, two years, three years ;D | 19:56 |
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| gla55 | milhouse: some s80 stuff compile straight over to s90(7710) | 19:56 |
| milhouse | gla55: what is interesting is that nokia seem to have ballsed up their premier product | 19:56 |
| gla55 | milhouse: well i've mostly heard the opposite of e90 than what the article is saying | 19:56 |
| ||cw | this is a suprize? | 19:56 |
| milhouse | gla55: too much of nokia knowing what the punters need... which sounds familiar | 19:57 |
| milhouse | gla55: there were gripes when it first appeared about the loss of fax which seems a surprising complain in this day and age. it could be a case of users not liking change of course | 19:57 |
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| milhouse | i must admit i don't frequent nokia communicator forums so will have to assume there is some truth to the article | 19:58 |
| gla55 | milhouse: a lot of oldskool corporate communicator users would hate change.. | 19:58 |
| gla55 | if i was into qwerty in a phone i'd bitch to get a e90 instantly | 19:58 |
| milhouse | gla55: maybe nokia should have realised that | 19:58 |
| gla55 | milhouse: maybe.. s60 users are familiar with it though.. of which there is plenty more | 19:59 |
| milhouse | gla55: surely they understand how users use their devices and changing that fundamentally is bound to cause pain | 19:59 |
| gla55 | also.. a lot more of software | 19:59 |
| gla55 | surely | 19:59 |
| gla55 | but their strategy is to get everything under the same series.. | 20:00 |
| milhouse | gla55: true, but that assumes s60 users will migrate to communicators, whereas existing communicator users (the most likely to upgrade) will move elsewhere or keep their old devices | 20:00 |
| milhouse | gla55: fair enough, but they should have realised what was good about s80 and tried to layer that on top of s60 if possible | 20:00 |
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| gla55 | i for one hated 9300/9500 that hey had just s40 on the outer screen | 20:01 |
| gla55 | but anyhow, back to the article, the article is written as if s90 had hildon/totally different ui libs from s80, where they in fact werent that different at all | 20:02 |
| milhouse | well... it is the register | 20:03 |
| milhouse | :) | 20:03 |
| gla55 | sure, s90 uses a pen but that hardly means that much :p | 20:04 |
| gla55 | e90 is a sweet device imho though no matter what. accelerated 3d and the inner screen is high res sweetness | 20:05 |
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| strid | that was a pain in the ass. | 20:06 |
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| gla55 | milhouse: the article is feels even weirder coupled with nokias record profits and good sales of e and n series high end devices | 20:08 |
| pupnik | milhouse: did you point me to the register special on the psion (long* story)? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/26/psion_special/ | 20:08 |
| milhouse | pupnik: i may have done in the past, not today though | 20:08 |
| milhouse | it was also discussed during the tablet advocacy thread on itt | 20:08 |
| milhouse | gla55: i think the author is just pissed that the real targets for the device have been ignored | 20:09 |
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| pupnik | ah... i got into psions late into the game - but they are beautiful pieces of kit | 20:09 |
| milhouse | gla55: that nokia now pander to the gadget crowd when the e90 is a business tool. | 20:09 |
| milhouse | gla55: i can see his point, but don't think he's going to achieve much. the only way nokia will make any changes is if nobody buys the e90, but any losess to corporate buyers may be shored up with gadget purchases | 20:10 |
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| gla55 | apprently they have already | 20:12 |
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| space2 | Hi | 20:16 |
| _Monkey | hello, space2 | 20:16 |
| space2 | can I ask programming questions here? | 20:17 |
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| pupnik | yes | 20:18 |
| space2 | I tried to compile fltk with scratchbox, and it was successfull | 20:19 |
| space2 | I copied a binary to the N770 (fluid), started it... and it works... but | 20:19 |
| space2 | there is no icon in the left side task list | 20:19 |
| space2 | so, the question: how can I make it appear there? because right now if I click on a different program, I cannot switch back to the fltk app | 20:20 |
| pupnik | what fltk app? | 20:20 |
| space2 | fluid | 20:21 |
| space2 | but I tried the sudoku test as well | 20:21 |
| space2 | it's the same | 20:21 |
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| pupnik | ok this is a general porting question | 20:22 |
| pupnik | not fltk-specific | 20:22 |
| space2 | yes, I guess | 20:22 |
| pupnik | you need to read up on the porting-to-maemo howtos | 20:22 |
| pupnik | getting your app into the menu and task list | 20:22 |
| space2 | ok, thanks | 20:22 |
| pupnik | i haven't done it yet myself :) | 20:23 |
| space2 | hehe, ok, then if I found it out, I let you know ;-) | 20:24 |
| pupnik | it's all in the howtos really | 20:24 |
| pupnik | you need a desktop file and you need to tell the windowmanager 'hello! i'm an app running!' | 20:25 |
| pupnik | ok remember .mods? there's this group of guys called just 'Reed' who make AMAZING mods. http://pupnik.de/Reed-Crock.mod | 20:26 |
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| gla55 | speaking of mods, assembly07 is this weekend | 20:29 |
| gla55 | too bad can't afford to go | 20:29 |
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| tso | im attempting to install pidgin 2.0 on my 770. it seems it fails to read the pidgin repository for some reason. any ideas? | 20:30 |
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| bldewolf_ | hey, anyone know how to get the wireless connection thing to give more information on why it failed to connect? | 20:30 |
| `0660 | tso, i have the same problem | 20:31 |
| bldewolf_ | I'm snooping my wireless traffic, but all I see is a probe request, a probe response, and then it fails | 20:31 |
| `0660 | it seems that Packages.gz has been moved to a folder called xxx | 20:31 |
| erstazi | bldewolf_, how many bars does it have? | 20:31 |
| `0660 | maybe the admin wanted to prevent people from installing it? | 20:32 |
| bldewolf_ | full | 20:32 |
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| bldewolf_ | I'm able to connect to another SSID on the AP, but I'm trying to authenticate using PEAP | 20:32 |
| pupnik | gla55: this one's better Reed-Devoted.mod | 20:33 |
| erstazi | bldewolf, is there any WPA or WEP encryption? | 20:33 |
| bldewolf_ | it should be able to do WPA, but no WPA2 | 20:34 |
| bldewolf_ | not sure about WEP | 20:34 |
| erstazi | might be a DNS issue with the router | 20:34 |
| bldewolf_ | how so? | 20:34 |
| erstazi | is the connection saved by chance? | 20:35 |
| bldewolf_ | I'm able to authenticate using my laptop with PEAP... | 20:35 |
| erstazi | if so, we can find out some more information | 20:35 |
| erstazi | which nokia do you have? | 20:35 |
| bldewolf_ | 770 | 20:35 |
| erstazi | ok good | 20:35 |
| erstazi | let me check something, hold a second please | 20:35 |
| tso | heh, this will not help the pidgin issue. some genious just put a blog entry about it on planet maemo... | 20:36 |
| strid | oh, is there an fps/fxp client for maemo? | 20:37 |
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| erstazi | bldewolf_, these posts are from 2006, maybe something came up about it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703 | 20:37 |
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| erstazi | bldewolf_, I think the issue is, WEP with PEAP support, WPA with PEAP is ok but not WEP with PEAP | 20:37 |
| erstazi | bldewolf_, mail list: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/000161.html (again, older) | 20:39 |
| erstazi | I am sure its added somewhere in the repos | 20:39 |
| erstazi | I am just not sure | 20:39 |
| erstazi | checking for ya | 20:39 |
| bldewolf_ | yeah I think I've seen those posts before on my google searches :-/ | 20:39 |
| bldewolf_ | I'm just annoyed cause the 770 is quitting because of something in the probe response, but it doesn't tell me what | 20:40 |
| erstazi | bldewolf_, its a tablet for a reason heh just playing | 20:41 |
| erstazi | bldewolf_, I think its because the connection you are trying to connect to is WEP w/ PEAP support | 20:41 |
| erstazi | or is it WPA w/ PEAP? | 20:42 |
| erstazi | bldewolf_, do you know? | 20:42 |
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| erstazi | bldewolf_, this looks promising: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtoconnectusingwpapeap/ | 20:42 |
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| gw280 | I can't seem to dist upgrade my maemo 3.1 rootstrap inside scratchbox to 3.2 | 20:43 |
| gw280 | it has unmet dependencies for core packages because the dependencies aren't installable | 20:43 |
| bldewolf_ | erstazi: no, it's failing way before authentication | 20:43 |
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| erstazi | bldewolf_, go to the 3rd menu item on the left, the menu thats vertical, thats called applications I believe | 20:44 |
| erstazi | then go to tools > control panel > connectivity | 20:45 |
| erstazi | the middle button is connections, select that | 20:45 |
| akjohn | timeless, Hey just wanted to say thanks for the help. | 20:45 |
| erstazi | bldewolf_, then find the connection and edit it and follow the instructions in the last URL I gave you | 20:46 |
| akjohn | timeless, A reflash did the trick. I wish we could have figured out why. | 20:46 |
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| erstazi | hello Spec_ | 20:49 |
| gw280 | has nobody upgraded from 3.1 to 3.2? | 20:49 |
| pupnik | correct, nobody has | 20:50 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, can I pm you for a second? | 20:58 |
| tso | is minimo available for 770? | 21:01 |
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| pupnik | erstazi: sure | 21:04 |
| erstazi | tso: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/dougt/archives/009289.html | 21:05 |
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| tso | hmm, that "old" | 21:06 |
| erstazi | tso, well its been that old for minimo being available | 21:06 |
| erstazi | I am sure its somewhere on maemo, let me check | 21:06 |
| tso | so the recent news was just about it being ported to n800, or am i confusing mozilla and minimo now? | 21:07 |
| erstazi | minimo is in garage.maemo.org and that means its under further development | 21:08 |
| qgil | tso: http://maemo.org/news/view/1184699585.html | 21:09 |
| qgil | " To avoid any confusion, note that this browser engine is not coming from the Minimo project. The Minimo project targets mobile devices with a reduced set of features, but bases on the same Mozilla components as the new browser for tablets." | 21:09 |
| tso | figures. no wonder i was surprised when looking over some stuff at maemo.org i came across minimo... | 21:10 |
| qgil | but both developments have nothing to do and are separate | 21:11 |
| tso | noted | 21:11 |
| qgil | erstazi: the mozilla based browser released weeks ago is also in garage and also is under further development | 21:12 |
| qgil | a difference is that the last one is developed officially by Nokia while the Minimo development is a community project wioth no official involvement | 21:13 |
| erstazi | [14:08] <erstazi> minimo is in garage.maemo.org and that means its under further development | 21:13 |
| qgil | erstazi: yes, this is why I wanted to specify that | 21:13 |
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| unique311 | http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=790 | 21:17 |
| unique311 | anyone has this running yet? | 21:17 |
| akjohn | Anyone know what timezone Timeless is in? | 21:18 |
| unique311 | erstazi, busy? | 21:18 |
| erstazi | unique311, what's up? | 21:19 |
| unique311 | i have the package.... | 21:19 |
| unique311 | think i did a good job at breaking it down so colors can be changed without much effort.. | 21:19 |
| unique311 | still have issues with the pink | 21:20 |
| milhouse | that chippy bloke on umpcportal is an arse... | 21:20 |
| unique311 | eglish | 21:20 |
| unique311 | bloke | 21:20 |
| akjohn | The package... Hmm that sounds curious.. | 21:20 |
| unique311 | erstazi, should i email it to you | 21:20 |
| milhouse | unique311: do intel pay him to run that site? ;) | 21:21 |
| erstazi | unique311, please do, I will look at it when I am not working | 21:21 |
| unique311 | k | 21:21 |
| unique311 | don't know about umpcportal | 21:21 |
| akjohn | Aw, not going to let me in on what the package is? | 21:21 |
| unique311 | i just saw the article on the new browser | 21:21 |
| unique311 | nothing special | 21:22 |
| milhouse | unique311: he used to cover x86 and non-x86 ultra portables but no just focuses on x86 as "they're the future" | 21:22 |
| unique311 | just a theme package | 21:22 |
| qgil | akjohn: timeless is in GMT +2 (whether he follows or not daylight houirs is none of my business) ;) | 21:22 |
| akjohn | Oh well.. | 21:22 |
| milhouse | i just thought that article was a little backhanded | 21:22 |
| akjohn | qgil, All right.. Thanks.. I just wanted to thank him for the help yesterday. | 21:22 |
| unique311 | how is stated the browser is sloe | 21:22 |
| unique311 | slow* | 21:23 |
| akjohn | milhouse, Depends I guess. I found the browser a bit slow when I started using it, but when I found out how nice it rendered pages for the size and weight of the device I forgot about the slowness. | 21:23 |
| milhouse | he's not saying the browser is slow, he's saying the device is slow | 21:24 |
| sp3000 | qgil: +3, it's dst | 21:24 |
| milhouse | just seemed unecessary to me | 21:24 |
| akjohn | milhouse, Ah. Well it is a little slow, but it is so capable for its size that I do not care. | 21:25 |
| qgil | sp3000: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=101 thanks, is good to have around people knowing where their feet stand ;) | 21:25 |
| milhouse | akjohn: quite | 21:25 |
| erstazi | qgil, heh | 21:25 |
| tso | whats the prefered way to transfer files to and from the 770 using linux on the desktop? | 21:28 |
| milhouse | anyone getting the midgard stacktraces (orange boxes) on this page? http://maemo.org/news/archive/month/2006/11.html | 21:28 |
| akjohn | tso, My preferred way is via dropbear.. | 21:29 |
| milhouse | tso: scp :) | 21:29 |
| milhouse | (using openssh) | 21:29 |
| akjohn | milhouse, I did... | 21:29 |
| unique311 | milhouse, when comparing the N800 to the umpc's he has on his page..i guess he is being a dick. | 21:29 |
| milhouse | akjohn: thanks. quim... shall I raise a bug for Ferenc>? | 21:29 |
| unique311 | but whats out there that the N800 can be compared to... | 21:29 |
| tso | ok, i have the dropbear server in place. what else is needed? | 21:30 |
| unique311 | IPHONE | 21:30 |
| _Monkey | IPHONE is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens | 21:30 |
| akjohn | tso, Just need an ssh client on your desktop.. | 21:30 |
| milhouse | I'm with _Monkey | 21:30 |
| akjohn | _Monkey, Yeah, but it sure is sexy to look at and use and _way_ over priced. | 21:30 |
| _Monkey | OK, akjohn. | 21:30 |
| akjohn | _Monkey, I do like flashy though.. | 21:31 |
| _Monkey | akjohn: i'm not following you... | 21:31 |
| akjohn | _Monkey, The iPhone.. | 21:31 |
| _Monkey | i heard the iphone was a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens | 21:31 |
| unique311 | can you honestly compare the N800/770 to a UPMC that has a 1Ghz chip in it... | 21:31 |
| milhouse | double the size, triple the weight, quadruple the cost... sure on that site you can. | 21:32 |
| unique311 | http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=123 | 21:32 |
| unique311 | example | 21:32 |
| milhouse | _monkey forget Yeah, but it sure | 21:32 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot yeah, but it sure | 21:32 |
| unique311 | not sure its fair to the N800 | 21:32 |
| erstazi | what arch does it use? ARM? | 21:32 |
| unique311 | pentium | 21:32 |
| unique311 | M | 21:32 |
| akjohn | iPhone uses ARM I believe.. | 21:32 |
| erstazi | yeah | 21:33 |
| milhouse | the original UMPC is dead | 21:33 |
| erstazi | iPhone does | 21:33 |
| unique311 | iphone is arm | 21:33 |
| erstazi | after using ARM for the time I have, I cannot believe how efficient ARM is | 21:33 |
| unique311 | the UMPC i showed the link to pentium M | 21:33 |
| milhouse | intel are getting there, but it will still take a while longer | 21:33 |
| milhouse | moblin and the intel MIDs will be interesting mid next year | 21:34 |
| erstazi | milhouse, does intel still have a deal with ARM? | 21:34 |
| milhouse | Quim - can you let Ferenc know about the Midgard bug or shall i raise another bug? http://maemo.org/news/archive/month/2006/11.html | 21:34 |
| milhouse | erstazi: no, they flogged that business to Marvel | 21:35 |
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| qgil | milhouse: do you have the bug link at hand? | 21:35 |
| milhouse | see above | 21:35 |
| milhouse | http://maemo.org/news/archive/month/2006/11.html | 21:35 |
| milhouse | it's in the archives section of maemo announce | 21:36 |
| qgil | milhouse: I mean the bug report URL (I'm not in the office, I have the right to be lazy) ;) | 21:36 |
| milhouse | hit the url above and you'll get a stacktrace (at least I do, as does akjohn) | 21:36 |
| milhouse | ah, i haven't opened it yet - wanted to know if it was worth it | 21:36 |
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| qgil | well, in fact is about reopening one since this bug was in principle solved | 21:37 |
| milhouse | not sure we need a new bug every time there's a midgard stacktrace do we? | 21:37 |
| qgil | milhouse: I can tell is the best way not to forget | 21:37 |
| milhouse | do you think this is the same as the one i opened when showing the revision history? | 21:37 |
| milhouse | which was fixed by tweaking some user permissions | 21:37 |
| qgil | milhouse: from my user point of view the problem is the same; you don't show stacktraces to users | 21:38 |
| qgil | no, there was a bug specific rto the archive | 21:38 |
| qgil | ooook, I'll go find it | 21:38 |
| milhouse | :) thanks | 21:38 |
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| qgil | milhouse: in fact it's open https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1500 | 21:39 |
| qgil | sorry: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1500 | 21:39 |
| milhouse | bug 1500? | 21:40 |
| _Monkey | Bug 1500 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1500 | 21:40 |
| milhouse | hey presto :) | 21:40 |
| qgil | milhouse: ah no, it's resolved at fixed but not closed yet, feel free to reopen it providing the buggy URL(s) you find | 21:41 |
| milhouse | i'll add a quick comment, thanks quim | 21:41 |
| FunkyPenguin | is it a known bug about the rss reader freezing | 21:41 |
| FunkyPenguin | the home applet hangs during refresh, and you cant start the app proper :( | 21:41 |
| FunkyPenguin | so far this is the only real flaw i can find with my best mate | 21:42 |
| * FunkyPenguin should get a life and some _real_ friends | 21:42 | |
| milhouse | archive totally stuffed - every archived page with any news causes a stacktrace :( | 21:42 |
| qgil | ok, comment and I'll assign severity major | 21:43 |
| * qgil ... well, whatever | 21:43 | |
| milhouse | comment added and reopened. | 21:45 |
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| milhouse | FunkyPenguin: you've been lucky! ;) | 21:45 |
| milhouse | The RSS app is... special. | 21:46 |
| FunkyPenguin | yeah, ive noticed :) | 21:46 |
| FunkyPenguin | it's the only app that i need that i cant rely on | 21:47 |
| erstazi | the rss app is very special... it loves me and I love it back with verbal statements | 21:47 |
| FunkyPenguin | is there any other rss app that i could try? | 21:48 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin, I saw a few on http://maemo.org | 21:48 |
| qgil | milhouse: added my comments as well | 21:49 |
| qgil | thanks | 21:49 |
| milhouse | np | 21:49 |
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| unique311 | i have 7 grandcentral invites...anybody need one? | 21:54 |
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| erstazi | unique311, sure, you got my email, I appreciate it | 21:55 |
| unique311 | k | 21:55 |
| erstazi | I have no clue what grandcentral is | 21:55 |
| akjohn | What is grandcentral? | 21:55 |
| akjohn | Hey! Someone sped up the finger scroll speed of the menu! Sweet! Thanks whomever did that! | 21:56 |
| Fatal | amazing, I keep losing my stylus on a _CLEAN_ desk | 21:56 |
| unique311 | google forwarding service. | 21:57 |
| unique311 | http://www.grandcentral.com/home/intro | 21:57 |
| FunkyPenguin | erstazi: i can only find bloglines770 | 21:58 |
| akjohn | Curious... | 21:58 |
| unique311 | provide you with a number that you can forward to your home, cell, work # | 21:58 |
| unique311 | what i find really nice about the feature is that when my cellphone rings and it is forward from the grandcentral number, i have the choice to listen to the voicemail while its being recorded, or answer take the call | 21:59 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin, I must have been drunk then (: I swore there were at least 3 | 21:59 |
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| erstazi | ah, I see, so I could have my cell forward to my nokia and talk on it | 22:00 |
| erstazi | unique311, yeah please send that to me, I would appreciate that | 22:00 |
| unique311 | no.. | 22:00 |
| unique311 | you can have your grand central number forwarded to your cellphone. | 22:01 |
| unique311 | with my | 22:01 |
| FunkyPenguin | thats the same as with gizmo | 22:01 |
| unique311 | i have my grandcentral number forwared to my sip number | 22:01 |
| unique311 | from freedigits | 22:01 |
| unique311 | yeah FunkyPenguin | 22:01 |
| unique311 | gizmo or skype | 22:01 |
| unique311 | if you have a number with them | 22:01 |
| erstazi | they both cost a bit don't they | 22:02 |
| FunkyPenguin | my pref is gizmo as its openstandards | 22:02 |
| thirdhandinfo | anybody know a good solution for running a web app on the N800? i need to run a CGI script | 22:02 |
| FunkyPenguin | gizmo isnt that pricey | 22:02 |
| unique311 | well thats why i went with freedigits | 22:02 |
| unique311 | freedigits gave me a working incoming and outbound number | 22:02 |
| unique311 | free | 22:02 |
| FunkyPenguin | but it's only a us number right? | 22:03 |
| unique311 | yes i think so.. | 22:03 |
| FunkyPenguin | shame | 22:04 |
| FunkyPenguin | gizmo will provide you with any country number which can give the impression that you have a global presence | 22:04 |
| thirdhandinfo | is nginx of any use? | 22:04 |
| FunkyPenguin | and you can have multiple registered | 22:04 |
| unique311 | i like free. | 22:05 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin, is gizmo free? | 22:05 |
| FunkyPenguin | to download yes | 22:05 |
| FunkyPenguin | http://www.gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html | 22:05 |
| FunkyPenguin | so far it is the only cross platform app that does the job | 22:06 |
| FunkyPenguin | ideally id use openwengo | 22:06 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin, how much does it cost a month or what ever the periods are? | 22:07 |
| FunkyPenguin | it all varies | 22:08 |
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| strid | is it a bad idea to put os2007 on a 770? | 22:09 |
| FunkyPenguin | they have several options and the call costs are cheap - i think it's about USD35 ayear for a local number and they have quite a large list of countries and sities/towns to choose from | 22:09 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin, I might take it as an option | 22:11 |
| FunkyPenguin | im thinking about it myself | 22:12 |
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| erstazi | unique311, so I could use grandcentral with a wifi and have like gizmo forward to grandcentral so my nokia could be a "cell"? | 22:12 |
| FunkyPenguin | i have it on my linux boxes, my n800, my n95 and win box | 22:12 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin, so in turn, you could use your n800 as a cell right? | 22:13 |
| FunkyPenguin | erstazi: you wouldnt need grand central if you use gizmo | 22:13 |
| FunkyPenguin | yeah | 22:13 |
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| unique311 | i only use grandcentral, as a means not to talk to someone if i don't feel like it | 22:14 |
| erstazi | ah | 22:14 |
| erstazi | FunkyPenguin and unique311, you folks got me excited | 22:15 |
| unique311 | i've been using my N800 to make calls with the freedigits number | 22:15 |
| unique311 | and recieving them | 22:15 |
| erstazi | with no cellphone connected to the loop? | 22:15 |
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| unique311 | openwengo for the N800/770? | 22:21 |
| FunkyPenguin | unique311: yeah i would love that | 22:22 |
| FunkyPenguin | i think it uses qt which would make it a bit of a pain to port if im not mistaken | 22:23 |
| unique311 | Off topic, The flavor does last too long.. | 22:29 |
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| erstazi | unique311, besides RTCOMM, what else can I use? | 22:38 |
| unique311 | gizmo, but i could never get freedigits to work with gizmo | 22:39 |
| amr | i have this ^[0-9] regular expressions, this just works for 0-9 obviously, but how do i make it so i can use any number | 22:39 |
| erstazi | amr, that will work for any nubmer | 22:39 |
| amr | it doesnt with php :-( | 22:39 |
| erstazi | ^[0-9]+$ | 22:40 |
| amr | ah | 22:40 |
| erstazi | amr, are you using POSIX or Perl regex? | 22:40 |
| amr | uhm, i'm using the function ereg | 22:40 |
| amr | i assume perl as its php | 22:40 |
| Pio | ereg is poix | 22:40 |
| erstazi | amr, thats posix | 22:40 |
| amr | oic | 22:40 |
| Pio | *posix | 22:40 |
| Pio | preg is perl | 22:40 |
| Pio | [0-9]+ will work in either.. | 22:40 |
| erstazi | amr, ^[0-9]+$ means *one* or more | 22:40 |
| amr | cool thank you | 22:41 |
| erstazi | when I say one more more, I mean total count of numbers, like "5" will pass, "333" will pass, "" will not pass | 22:41 |
| erstazi | amr, ^[0-9]*$ means 0 or maybe more | 22:41 |
| amr | yeah | 22:41 |
| amr | hmm, its still only looking at the first char | 22:42 |
| amr | im doing echo ereg("^[0-9]+$",$var) | 22:42 |
| erstazi | try ^[0-9]*$ | 22:42 |
| amr | ok | 22:42 |
| amr | nope, get the same thing | 22:42 |
| erstazi | amr, ereg will show true or false | 22:42 |
| erstazi | hold a sec | 22:42 |
| amr | oh christ im an idiot | 22:42 |
| amr | using preg_replace and [0-9] works | 22:44 |
| amr | i am a massive idiot, thank you | 22:45 |
| amr | no it doesnt | 22:45 |
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| pupnik | more netbook pros going for 230 euro on ebay - would be great little maemo boxes when the linux kernel port is finished | 23:22 |
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| guardian | evening maemo | 23:23 |
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| pupnik | n770 down to 169 eu in germany | 23:24 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I only paid $129 usd for mine | 23:24 |
| pupnik | very nice | 23:25 |
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| FunkyPenguin | erstazi: $129 = £65 =) | 23:45 |
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| whaq_ | buy from expansys uk, 75 euro or so | 23:57 |
| Fatal | hmm, in which repository is libosso-help0 | 23:57 |
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