| pupnik | The series of Pan-Mutantean Congresses which he had helped to organize forced him to see a connection between Hate-filled genetic bigotry and Pink imperialism in Asgard. At the same time, communism was representing itself as the foe of both genetic bigotry and imperialism, and for many of the oppressed peoples throughout the world the communist claim had become attractive. To the S.L.A.K. Squad it seemed that Pudluster's new "pink" i | 00:01 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, heh | 00:02 |
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| trevarthan | Asgard, eh? city of the gods? | 00:03 |
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| pupnik | 'pink' has meaning in SubGenius mythology | 00:04 |
| trevarthan | hey, off topic, does anyone know of an MIME Email validator web interface I could use? I've got a questionable email I need to double check. | 00:05 |
| pupnik | Das topic ist Pink, mein herr! | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | on itos2006 opera, i rarely can type into the address bar with synergy | 00:22 |
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| pupnik | it's it2006-49 with keesj's synergy-maemo Version: 1.3.1-1 | 00:23 |
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| pupnik | maemo-gtk-im-switch xim solved the typing into opera problem | 00:24 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 00:59 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 00:59 |
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| joshin | Synergy on the 770 is just amusing... Now I need to hack the stand a bit and track down a news/stock ticker and bigger clock. | 01:10 |
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| celesteh | hey all | 01:21 |
| erstazi | hi celesteh | 01:22 |
| pupnik | moo | 01:22 |
| celesteh | i'm on OS X and I want to sinatll glimmr | 01:22 |
| celesteh | install | 01:22 |
| celesteh | and I'm having a hard time building it | 01:22 |
| celesteh | mono is supposed to be cross-platform, so theoretically, if i got it built, i could run it on maemo | 01:22 |
| celesteh | (glimmr is a mono-based flickr uploader) | 01:23 |
| erstazi | ah, I wondered when I did a google search | 01:23 |
| celesteh | is there a binary distro of it lurking out there someplace? | 01:23 |
| celesteh | would i be happier just trying to write a python script? | 01:23 |
| celesteh | is there any way to get scratchbox going on OS X non-intel macs? | 01:23 |
| erstazi | celesteh, hmm, has a search on maemo.org came no avail? | 01:24 |
| erstazi | I swore there was something for scratchbox for ppc | 01:24 |
| erstazi | but I could be wrong | 01:24 |
| celesteh | i haven't found anything, but i might be looking in the wrong places | 01:24 |
| celesteh | <-- looking at maemo.org now | 01:24 |
| celesteh | the deps for building glimmr are very linux-y | 01:25 |
| erstazi | what os do you have on your nokia? | 01:26 |
| erstazi | also 770 or n800? | 01:26 |
| celesteh | n800 | 01:26 |
| celesteh | latest OS | 01:26 |
| erstazi | ok | 01:27 |
| erstazi | so IT2007 | 01:27 |
| celesteh | yeah. | 01:27 |
| celesteh | no glimmr on maemo.org | 01:27 |
| erstazi | now, to make sure, you need glimmr on your n800 | 01:27 |
| celesteh | maybe i should just write a script | 01:28 |
| celesteh | i'm looking for a flickr uploader and it was the most promising looking | 01:28 |
| erstazi | celesteh, one thing to know about, your nokia uses ARM arch, so if its not available, it needs ported | 01:28 |
| erstazi | oh ok | 01:28 |
| erstazi | there might be another one on maemo | 01:28 |
| erstazi | let me do some searching for ya | 01:28 |
| celesteh | theoretically, mono is like java | 01:28 |
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| celesteh | my feature requirements are: does titles, tags and descriptions. can deal with only having an intermittent network connection. | 01:29 |
| NeoStrider | hello my friends! | 01:29 |
| celesteh | hi neo | 01:29 |
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| erstazi | celesteh, the latter is normal heh | 01:29 |
| erstazi | hello NeoStrider | 01:30 |
| celesteh | i want something that acts like a mail client . . . with an outbox | 01:30 |
| celesteh | or kind of like that | 01:30 |
| erstazi | ok | 01:30 |
| celesteh | i really like the n800, but i got for flickr and blogger and i'm having troubles with both | 01:30 |
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| celesteh | at least i can log in to flickr with the opera browser, which is more than i can do with blogger | 01:31 |
| erstazi | celesteh, NFlick | 01:31 |
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| celesteh | thanks! | 01:31 |
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| erstazi | celesteh, http://www.mdk.org.pl/articles/2006/07/10/nflick-0-2 | 01:32 |
| erstazi | celesteh, before jumping on it, let me ask some of the veterans of n770/800 a question | 01:33 |
| erstazi | or someone | 01:33 |
| _Monkey | i heard someone was working on getting something working along those lines, but nokia do not officially support a2dp | 01:33 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, forget or someone | 01:33 |
| _Monkey | erstazi, I didn't have anything matching or someone | 01:33 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, forget someone | 01:33 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot someone | 01:33 |
| erstazi | pupnik, can someone install a 770 app on an n800? | 01:34 |
| pupnik | yes, usually | 01:34 |
| NeoStrider | nflick? | 01:34 |
| erstazi | yes | 01:35 |
| celesteh | wait, is nflick an uploader? | 01:35 |
| NeoStrider | got it | 01:35 |
| erstazi | celesteh, not too sure | 01:35 |
| NeoStrider | oh no | 01:35 |
| NeoStrider | oh yeah..got it | 01:35 |
| celesteh | it doesn't mention that in the features | 01:35 |
| NeoStrider | its just a browser | 01:35 |
| erstazi | NFlick is an application to quickly browse your flickr photos sets. A cafe-like “I want to show you that photo” solution. | 01:35 |
| NeoStrider | the "oh no" was becouse I suddenly saw "Flickr Browser" | 01:36 |
| celesteh | ah, no, what I need is an uploader | 01:36 |
| erstazi | sorry | 01:36 |
| celesteh | it's cool | 01:36 |
| NeoStrider | the browser doesnt handle it? | 01:37 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, I think celesteh is looking for a mass uploader | 01:37 |
| erstazi | but I might be wrong | 01:37 |
| celesteh | it does, but i want to be able to tag, title and describe the photos while i'm hanging out at, say, a campground, and have it do uploads for me later when i get to a hotspot | 01:37 |
| NeoStrider | is there such a thing on desktop? | 01:37 |
| NeoStrider | (im new to flickr...just got my account last friday) | 01:38 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, yeah I have seen it | 01:38 |
| erstazi | I am not a flickr user | 01:38 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but Im quite away from those web 2.0 websites | 01:38 |
| celesteh | heh. they're handy | 01:38 |
| erstazi | celesteh, I got a blogger app | 01:39 |
| erstazi | it might be helpful to you | 01:39 |
| erstazi | celesteh, http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-blog/ | 01:39 |
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| celesteh | ah, that crashes for me | 01:39 |
| erstazi | hello Tu13es | 01:39 |
| celesteh | early and often | 01:39 |
| erstazi | celesteh, hmmm thats odd | 01:39 |
| Tu13es | hi | 01:39 |
| NeoStrider | hello tul3es | 01:39 |
| erstazi | celesteh, I thought I saw a more stable version of that floating somewhere | 01:40 |
| NeoStrider | s/tul3es/Tul3es/ | 01:40 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: hello Tul3es | 01:40 |
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| Tu13es | it's a 1 | 01:40 |
| Tu13es | not an l | 01:40 |
| NeoStrider | hahahah | 01:40 |
| NeoStrider | I need some lenses | 01:40 |
| erstazi | I use tab to finish nicks heh | 01:41 |
| erstazi | but I still will get the wrong one | 01:41 |
| NeoStrider | nice! | 01:43 |
| NeoStrider | works! | 01:43 |
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| erstazi | the thing is, in large channels, you end up tabbing through hundreds of nicks to get the right one | 01:44 |
| erstazi | or just typing an extra character, but I think 2 characters are usually enough | 01:44 |
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| celesteh | ok, this is cool: http://berserk.org/uploadr/ | 01:59 |
| celesteh | i just need a UI | 01:59 |
| celesteh | "just" | 01:59 |
| celesteh | haha | 01:59 |
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| NeoStrider | gtg | 02:00 |
| NeoStrider | brb | 02:00 |
| NeoStrider | dinner | 02:00 |
| * NeoStrider leaves his chair in such a hurry... | 02:00 | |
| celesteh | bon appetit! | 02:00 |
| NeoStrider | ...thanks... | 02:00 |
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| pupnik_ | btw i've seen the WSOD three times but removing the battery solved em | 02:19 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik_: saw it just once...but had a few strange reboots | 02:29 |
| NeoStrider | the last of them, had a nice nice garbled screen | 02:29 |
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| jbinder | Hi. | 02:52 |
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| NeoStrider | hi jbinder | 02:54 |
| jbinder | Does anyone know if they make Checkers for the 770 with OS2006SE? | 02:55 |
| jbinder | Like Chess... but Checkers. | 02:56 |
| jbinder | Lol... I searched for it online at several sites. | 02:56 |
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| NeoStrider | let me check | 02:58 |
| NeoStrider | not that I have seen | 03:00 |
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| pupnik_ | checkers would be a nice first hildon/gtk project - or pygame | 03:04 |
| jbinder | :( | 03:05 |
| pupnik_ | gtkboard - many board games in one program | 03:06 |
| jbinder | What about a sliding puzzle possibly? Where 16 pieces of a puzzle and you switch them around to get them to form the right shape. Some versions of it have it with numbers 1-16 and you have to put them in order. | 03:06 |
| jbinder | Ok. | 03:06 |
| jbinder | Oh.* | 03:06 |
| pupnik_ | i think that is part of the puzzle collection | 03:06 |
| pupnik_ | NeoStrider is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :) | 03:07 |
| jbinder | :O | 03:07 |
| jbinder | If/When it's finished, where will it be? | 03:07 |
| jbinder | Garage.maemo.prg? | 03:07 |
| NeoStrider | hahahhaha....im not that fast | 03:07 |
| pupnik_ | did you see gtkboard? | 03:07 |
| jbinder | Looking it up now. | 03:07 |
| NeoStrider | jbinder: give me a url and we may build it for you | 03:07 |
| NeoStrider | 770 or n800? | 03:07 |
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| jbinder | 770 | 03:08 |
| jbinder | OS2006SE | 03:08 |
| NeoStrider | good...I have it here | 03:08 |
| * pupnik_ is playing checkers | 03:08 | |
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| erstazi | ugh kids | 03:10 |
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| jbinder | pupnik_: GTKboard is for the 770? | 03:11 |
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| pupnik_ | nah but if we're lucky you'll have a whole bunch of board games for 770 soon | 03:12 |
| jbinder | NeoStrider: What do you mean give you a URL? | 03:12 |
| jbinder | Oh. | 03:12 |
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| jbinder | I have a few already. Just not checkers or the slidey thing. | 03:12 |
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| pupnik_ | 32 games | 03:12 |
| NeoStrider | give me the url to a checkers game | 03:12 |
| pupnik_ | i don't have one | 03:12 |
| jbinder | Ok? | 03:12 |
| jbinder | Hmmm... | 03:12 |
| pupnik_ | apt-get source NeoStrider | 03:13 |
| jbinder | Gtkboard has checkers in it. | 03:13 |
| pupnik_ | it's convenient when the host box is debian | 03:13 |
| NeoStrider | im not in the repositories =-P | 03:13 |
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| pupnik_ | ok starting now | 03:14 |
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| jbinder | http://www.aeonity.com/ab/games/strategy-puzzles/checkers.php | 03:14 |
| jbinder | There's a Flash version... Lol. | 03:14 |
| erstazi | sorry about that, some network flips there | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | jbinder...you can play that on the device too | 03:15 |
| jbinder | :O? | 03:15 |
| jbinder | But not on an airplane... Can I? | 03:15 |
| pupnik_ | done! | 03:15 |
| NeoStrider | sure | 03:15 |
| NeoStrider | just save the webpage and open offline with the browser | 03:15 |
| NeoStrider | its offline? | 03:16 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/gtkboard_0.11pre0-5_armel.deb | 03:16 |
| NeoStrider | "<pupnik_> NeoStrider is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :)" | 03:16 |
| pupnik_ | lets see that was ... 2 minutes to port 32 games :) | 03:17 |
| pupnik_ | "{ | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | s/NeoStrider/pupnik_/ | 03:17 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: "<pupnik_> pupnik_ is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :)" | 03:17 |
| pupnik_ | no i just started when you said you didn't have the source :P | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | =-D | 03:17 |
| jbinder | Cool | 03:17 |
| jbinder | I didn't know flash works. | 03:17 |
| jbinder | Youtube didn't work so I didn't think anything flash would. | 03:18 |
| jbinder | Youtube said download flash. | 03:18 |
| jbinder | Is there Flash 9er for this? | 03:18 |
| erstazi | Flash 7 I believe | 03:18 |
| erstazi | I could be wrong though | 03:18 |
| jbinder | Does it come with it? | 03:18 |
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| erstazi | jbinder, not that I know of, I know you can get Flash 7 for the ARM arch | 03:18 |
| erstazi | last I checked I don't have flash,... let me verify | 03:19 |
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| jbinder | Oh... It has flash 6 | 03:19 |
| jbinder | I right clicked and it said so. | 03:19 |
| erstazi | oh | 03:19 |
| erstazi | jbinder, 770 or n800? | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | 770 | 03:20 |
| erstazi | k | 03:20 |
| jbinder | Yeah. | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | hey...isnt that flash 7? | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | i could swear it was 7 | 03:20 |
| erstazi | I thought it was flash 7 | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | it was flash 8 that didnt make to the linux | 03:20 |
| erstazi | youtube.com won't let me play a video | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but I did other flash stuff and it worked | 03:21 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, I have flash9 | 03:21 |
| erstazi | on GNU/Linux | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | me too | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | i mean, on device | 03:21 |
| jbinder | Me too. | 03:21 |
| jbinder | yeah no Flash 8. | 03:21 |
| jbinder | I have 6 on the 770 :\ | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | macromedia jumped flash 8 on linux | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | jbinder: are you sure it is not 7? | 03:21 |
| jbinder | It said 6... I'm positive of that. | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | you're the flash man | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | im going to test now is my mono runtime | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | hope it works | 03:23 |
| * pupnik_ plays checkers on 770 :P | 03:24 | |
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| pupnik_ | the gomputer is hard :( | 03:24 |
| erstazi | ugh, opera freezing up | 03:24 |
| erstazi | in the filesystem, where are Audio Clips, Documents, Images, Video clips | 03:27 |
| erstazi | they sure are not under /home/user/ | 03:27 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, erstazi. | 03:27 |
| erstazi | never mind | 03:27 |
| erstazi | ls -al | 03:27 |
| NeoStrider | /home/user/MyDocs/ | 03:28 |
| NeoStrider | .documents | 03:28 |
| NeoStrider | .images | 03:28 |
| NeoStrider | ... | 03:28 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, I found it | 03:28 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, that's why I typed never mind... I felt like an idiot I forgot .directories | 03:29 |
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| NeoStrider | I didnt saw that | 03:30 |
| NeoStrider | sorry | 03:30 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, its ok | 03:30 |
| pupnik_ | i miss locate and updatedb :/ | 03:31 |
| NeoStrider | MDK: are you there? | 03:32 |
| jbinder | I tried saving the flash page for offline. | 03:37 |
| jbinder | The page loads but the flash swf isn't on the sytstem so it's an empty space. | 03:37 |
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| NeoStrider | try editing the html | 03:38 |
| NeoStrider | maybe the reference is wrong | 03:38 |
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| erstazi | what does hildonized mean? | 03:40 |
| erstazi | ported? | 03:40 |
| NeoStrider | adapted to the maemo interface | 03:41 |
| NeoStrider | the tablets do run pure GTK stuff | 03:41 |
| erstazi | yeah | 03:41 |
| NeoStrider | but it looks ugly ,becouse of the apearance of the rest of the system | 03:41 |
| NeoStrider | so we hildonize the gtk apps | 03:41 |
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| erstazi | ok | 03:42 |
| erstazi | I need a GUI editor, because vi or nano doesn't cut it on this small screen | 03:42 |
| erstazi | I prefer vi | 03:42 |
| NeoStrider | maemopad? | 03:42 |
| erstazi | is that decent? | 03:42 |
| NeoStrider | sure | 03:43 |
| NeoStrider | does the job nicely | 03:43 |
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| pupnik_ | erstazi: you can change the font size in xterm with the +/- rocker button on the top of the device | 03:45 |
| NeoStrider | "living and learning"! | 03:46 |
| NeoStrider | never knew that | 03:46 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, I know, but its easier to use a GUI text editor with this stylus | 03:46 |
| erstazi | heh | 03:46 |
| erstazi | ehore.com doesn't exist anymore | 03:46 |
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| pupnik_ | also if your xterm has a hard-to-read courier font, you have an old version. the newer version has a much improved font | 03:47 |
| erstazi | thats where they said the ARM deb was | 03:47 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, I have the advanced xterm which is newer | 03:47 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider set me straight last night | 03:47 |
| erstazi | or the night before | 03:47 |
| NeoStrider | what? | 03:47 |
| erstazi | black background color on white font | 03:47 |
| NeoStrider | ahh | 03:47 |
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| NeoStrider | mono running! | 04:09 |
| NeoStrider | slow startup, but running! | 04:09 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...my console app worked too!!! | 04:11 |
| erstazi | the wpeditor_1.01-1_armel.deb is corrupt | 04:11 |
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| kamihacker | NeoStrider, congrats | 04:11 |
| erstazi | ugh | 04:12 |
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| NeoStrider | thanks, kamihacker | 04:12 |
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| kamihacker | anyone knows where the pairing logs go on the 770 ? | 04:16 |
| kamihacker | btooth pairing that is | 04:16 |
| erstazi | there ya go | 04:20 |
| erstazi | http://repository.maemo.org/extras is a must needed one! | 04:21 |
| NeoStrider | gtg | 04:21 |
| NeoStrider | cya! | 04:21 |
| erstazi | bye NeoStrider | 04:21 |
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| erstazi | slimserver is great with the 770 | 04:24 |
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| erstazi | hello abock and jjazz | 04:26 |
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| theefer | hello | 05:07 |
| _Monkey | hi, theefer | 05:07 |
| theefer | anyone here ordered an N800 from Japan? | 05:08 |
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| theefer | I've been looking at expansys website and I can't figure out what's the difference between the US and the UK version (large price difference), no luck on Google or other FAQs either.. | 05:08 |
| pupnik_ | in the UK and europe, everything is more expensive | 05:09 |
| pupnik_ | except for good food | 05:09 |
| theefer | well is there any reason to buy a more expensive UK import instead of a US one? guarrantee maybe? | 05:09 |
| theefer | pupnik_: food is even cheaper in Japan actually ;-) | 05:10 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know your local laws. are you an xmms dev? | 05:11 |
| theefer | I'm an xmms2 dev | 05:11 |
| theefer | local laws? actually I'm from Europe, heading back to Switzerland in November, so I will also need to check the guarrantee situation.. | 05:11 |
| pupnik_ | nice. i love xmms but i want it to stay on top in fluxbox, and it uses outdated interface to stay on top and be sticky | 05:12 |
| pupnik_ | trying xmms2 | 05:13 |
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| theefer | xmms2 has kind of different model, with pluggable interfaces (running as clients of the music server). right now the GUI interfaces aren't very complete, but still it works fine :) | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | what's the command line invocation equivalent to xmms /mnt/hdd1/Othermp3/ ? | 05:16 |
| pupnik_ | (just skimmed the manpage for it) | 05:16 |
| erstazi | ugh | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | xmms2 add /mnt/hdd1/Othermp3/ was invalid | 05:17 |
| theefer | xmms2 radd /mnt/hdd1/Othermp3/ | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | ty! | 05:17 |
| theefer | the cli is also being rewritten at the moment. | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | 'recursive add' is fine with me ty | 05:18 |
| pupnik_ | if you want something ported to nokia just give a holler here :) it's pretty easy usually | 05:19 |
| erstazi | theefer, honestly, you folks are doing a great job on xmms | 05:19 |
| pupnik_ | xmms2 is different | 05:19 |
| erstazi | yes | 05:19 |
| erstazi | s/xmms/xmms2 | 05:19 |
| theefer | pupnik_: thanks! If I end up buying an N800, I'm probably gonna try to write a GUI for it, would make a lovely remote :) | 05:19 |
| theefer | erstazi: thanks! I'll forward that to our chan! | 05:20 |
| erstazi | theefer, 770 or n800 work great with slimserver | 05:20 |
| theefer | nice | 05:20 |
| erstazi | theefer, and if xmms2 was ported, it would be a great combo to stream audio from slimserver | 05:20 |
| theefer | erstazi: with a custom interface? | 05:21 |
| theefer | (for the slimserver I mean) | 05:21 |
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| erstazi | theefer, slimserver on the box that is broadcasting the stream? | 05:21 |
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| theefer | erstazi: you meant controlling a slim device with 770/n800 right? | 05:22 |
| erstazi | theefer, well, yes sorry, doing svn and vnc'ing got confused | 05:23 |
| theefer | in the case of xmms2, I was thinking of an xmms2 client running on the n800, which would control either a local xmms2d server on the device, or a remote one on another computer (over tcp) | 05:23 |
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| erstazi | I haven't tried xmms2d server, but if it has better documentation than slimserver, I am game | 05:24 |
| erstazi | slimserver is slow to response sometimes | 05:24 |
| theefer | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/ there is doxygen and bindings doc, etc. | 05:25 |
| erstazi | theefer, thank you, I will take a stab at it this weekend, (bookmarking it) | 05:26 |
| theefer | there are 1-2 web interfaces, but they might not be as adapted/pretty on the N800 as the one I see from the slimserver. | 05:26 |
| theefer | nice! | 05:26 |
| theefer | let us know on #xmms2 if you have any problem or cool results! | 05:26 |
| erstazi | theefer, I don't ever point my 770 at the slimserver | 05:26 |
| erstazi | I make a playlist and let it go, until my wife adds songs,... then I get miffed heh | 05:26 |
| * pupnik_ mutters 'nfs' | 05:27 | |
| theefer | erstazi: I see | 05:27 |
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| erstazi | welcome back NeoStrider | 05:28 |
| theefer | I am not sure what the status of our icecast output plugin is atm, I've never used it myself. but at least one of our devs uses xmms2d to power his radio station | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | whats erstazi | 05:28 |
| _Monkey | i think erstazi is happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | couldnt be away for too long =-P | 05:28 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, forget erstazi | 05:28 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | s/whats/thanks/ | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | infobot? | 05:29 |
| _Monkey | infobot is, like, at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot | 05:29 |
| NeoStrider | thanks _Monkey | 05:29 |
| theefer | Mh so according to you guys, the US/UK version shouldn't be different models/packs, just different exports (and guarantee location) ? | 05:29 |
| NeoStrider | good good pet monkey...good boy | 05:29 |
| erstazi | theefer, where are you located? | 05:31 |
| theefer | erstazi: in Japan at the moment, I'll go back to Europe (Switzerland) in december | 05:31 |
| erstazi | ah | 05:31 |
| erstazi | I miss Europe | 05:31 |
| pupnik | ever see the movie 'Lost in Translation' theefer ? | 05:31 |
| erstazi | I was once there when in the military, then went back as civilian | 05:31 |
| theefer | pupnik: that movie is one of the reasons I'm here, so yes ;-) | 05:32 |
| theefer | erstazi: where exactly? | 05:32 |
| erstazi | theefer, all the places I have been in Europe? Germany, France, UK, Denmark, Netherlands, Serbia/Kosovo | 05:34 |
| erstazi | and maybe some more places if I was not drunk at the time, I would remember | 05:34 |
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| erstazi | I didn't know xmms2 works on windows also, amazing | 05:35 |
| erstazi | hello ajturner | 05:35 |
| theefer | erstazi: nice. and where are you now? | 05:35 |
| ajturner | hi erstazi | 05:35 |
| erstazi | theefer, the US | 05:35 |
| theefer | ok | 05:36 |
| erstazi | theefer, sadly, I wanted to move to London but I was unsure at that point in my life | 05:36 |
| theefer | London is /so/ expensive though :-/ | 05:36 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, theefer. | 05:36 |
| erstazi | theefer, but I will help pupnik port if needed | 05:37 |
| erstazi | theefer, yes, very... but at the time, it looked promising, just maybe even for 6 months of my life | 05:37 |
| theefer | erstazi: which part do you want to port actually? the cli client? the server? other clients? | 05:37 |
| erstazi | milton keynes looked more promising though | 05:37 |
| pupnik | well there are good media clients for the tablets - i'm not really interested in more :) | 05:38 |
| erstazi | theefer, well, the CLI client will be much easier, I am not good at GUI design | 05:38 |
| erstazi | pupnik, true | 05:38 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I forgot, which do you use primarily on your 770 | 05:38 |
| theefer | does clutter run on an n800/maemo? | 05:39 |
| pupnik | no music on it. just mplayer for video | 05:39 |
| erstazi | ah | 05:39 |
| erstazi | theefer, let me check | 05:39 |
| erstazi | I do not see clutter in maemo.org | 05:40 |
| erstazi | hmm | 05:40 |
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| theefer | I think I've heard of people talking about it but I don't know if it was highly experimental or something | 05:40 |
| erstazi | well, I am rusty on porting to a different arch | 05:42 |
| erstazi | what is clutter? | 05:42 |
| theefer | it's a lib to make nice bling bling | 05:42 |
| theefer | http://clutter-project.org/ | 05:43 |
| erstazi | ah I see | 05:43 |
| milhouse | looks like a new build of pidgin just landed | 05:46 |
| milhouse | shame there's no changelog | 05:46 |
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| erstazi | milhouse, do you use pidgin on your nokia? | 05:50 |
| milhouse | i have done | 05:50 |
| milhouse | for irc mainly and a bit of aim | 05:50 |
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| erstazi | yeah, for me, pidgin and irc do not go hand and hand but it works great for aim, yahoo, etc | 05:50 |
| erstazi | hi nomis and behdad | 05:54 |
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| pupnik | xmms2 still radd'ing :/ | 05:57 |
| theefer | pupnik: how much stuff do you have in there? | 05:58 |
| pupnik | 2631 username 18 0 98984 46m 2656 S 80.2 12.3 28:42.96 xmms2d | 05:58 |
| pupnik | oh i dunno | 05:58 |
| erstazi | pupnik, are you using xmms2 on your 770? | 05:59 |
| pupnik | no | 05:59 |
| erstazi | oh | 05:59 |
| erstazi | pupnik, what distro do you primarily use? | 05:59 |
| pupnik | sidux! tracking debian sid -- stably! | 05:59 |
| behdad | hi erstazi | 05:59 |
| erstazi | I think I am going to make an ARM deb tonight | 05:59 |
| erstazi | pupnik, heh | 06:00 |
| theefer | pupnik: I didn't think you were adding *all* your music to the playlist.. this is not really the most interesting way to use xmms2. you could have added the music to the mlib only instead, and use it to populate your playlist with what you want to play | 06:00 |
| pupnik | ok | 06:00 |
| erstazi | personally, I prefer playlists, | 06:02 |
| theefer | erstazi: mh, why? | 06:02 |
| erstazi | I don't like loading all my music into any player | 06:02 |
| theefer | I thought you meant loading all your music into the playlist | 06:03 |
| erstazi | oh, I separate | 06:04 |
| erstazi | sorry if I don't make any sense, I am becoming exhausted | 06:04 |
| theefer | *lunch | 06:06 |
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| pupnik | i'm an sdl and emu nutter | 06:07 |
| NeoStrider | nutter? | 06:12 |
| NeoStrider | whats a nutter? | 06:13 |
| pupnik | British term for someone who is crazy or fanatical | 06:14 |
| erstazi | pupnik, ah | 06:15 |
| NeoStrider | ahh! | 06:15 |
| NeoStrider | im a computer graphics nutter =-P | 06:16 |
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| milhouse | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk - I'd like to see more of this kind of thing from Nokia showcasing upcoming projects. And stuff. :) | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | openmoko! | 06:20 |
| _Monkey | somebody said openmoko was NeoStrider's phone of choice =-) | 06:20 |
| * NeoStrider drools | 06:20 | |
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| erstazi | hello slomo | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | hello slomo | 06:22 |
| erstazi | I am going to start porting some debs for some apps | 06:23 |
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| NeoStrider | which apps? | 06:24 |
| erstazi | that I am not sure of, I had a list but I lost it somewhere haha, I am getting tired | 06:24 |
| erstazi | its probably now in svn somewhere accidently because I am getting tired | 06:25 |
| erstazi | hello joshin_ | 06:25 |
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| joshin_ | howdy... | 06:25 |
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| pupnik | erstazi: looking for something to do? | 06:26 |
| erstazi | pupnik, sure, I closed my work | 06:26 |
| pupnik | we could use a picodrive port | 06:26 |
| erstazi | ok | 06:26 |
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| erstazi | go for stable only? | 06:27 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/Software_Directory | 06:27 |
| pupnik | lots of arm-optimized fun there | 06:27 |
| erstazi | those can be made debs right? | 06:28 |
| pupnik | our fceu and visual boy advance are slow :/ | 06:28 |
| pupnik | most of those are based on linux programs that also have debs | 06:28 |
| erstazi | pupnik, is dh-make available for ARM I haven't checked | 06:28 |
| pupnik | it's a matter of ripping-out the gp2x specific stuff and integrating it into the upstream deb | 06:28 |
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| pupnik | in scratchbox you have debhelper 4 | 06:29 |
| pupnik | dh 5 isn't available afaik | 06:29 |
| disq | i don't even know what exactly debhelper does | 06:29 |
| erstazi | pupnik, so I can use debhelper (http://tinyurl.com/2rqlbf) which says I can use it on all architectures | 06:34 |
| erstazi | 5.0.42 is stable | 06:34 |
| erstazi | I am going to attempt the install | 06:35 |
| pupnik | erstazi: into scratchbox? | 06:35 |
| erstazi | pupnik, yes, shortly | 06:36 |
| pupnik | usually i apt-get source from the host debian system, then cd into the package and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b and see what breaks | 06:36 |
| pupnik | s/then cd/then in scratchbox/ | 06:37 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: usually i apt-get source from the host debian system, then in scratchbox into the package and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b and see what breaks | 06:37 |
| pupnik | and then begins an evening of building dependencies or studying the configure script and removing portions of the package i don't need | 06:37 |
| erstazi | pupnik, yeah, I didn't see fakeroot for ARM | 06:38 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, but the packages are working 100% now? | 06:38 |
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| NeoStrider | you get icons on the menu? | 06:38 |
| pupnik | no i didn't look into that | 06:39 |
| pupnik | but strangely after installing xmaeme a pcsx icon appeared under extras | 06:39 |
| pupnik | that wasn't there before | 06:39 |
| joshin | Is there a good media player in maemo for audio books? One with a decent rewind/fast forward function instead of just skipping tracks... | 06:49 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, I might do a few tonight, I have a store run to do | 06:51 |
| erstazi | but aliases make your life easier on a tablet | 06:51 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik, what is that pcsx? | 06:54 |
| pupnik | playstation emulator - just for fun | 06:54 |
| NeoStrider | speed? | 06:55 |
| joshin | 1fps? | 06:55 |
| pupnik | not running yet. probably about 1 fps | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | hahah | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | but hey | 06:56 |
| NeoStrider | this icon apearance means two things: | 06:56 |
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| NeoStrider | 1) the icons will apear after some time | 06:56 |
| NeoStrider | OR | 06:56 |
| NeoStrider | 2) your system is seriously corrupt! | 06:56 |
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| pupnik | there's a playstation emu for gp2x though that gets 10-30 fps (arm920 cpu) | 06:59 |
| pupnik | see youtube videos | 06:59 |
| NeoStrider | but gp2x doesnt use X11,right? | 07:01 |
| erstazi | pupnik got a prop | 07:02 |
| pupnik | neither does mplayer :) | 07:02 |
| erstazi | can I message you? | 07:02 |
| pupnik | yes i'm registered | 07:02 |
| erstazi | s/prop/problem | 07:02 |
| pupnik | go ahead | 07:03 |
| NeoStrider | but gp2x uses a brother in ARM (im lame and im aware of it) | 07:06 |
| NeoStrider | well, now im really going | 07:07 |
| NeoStrider | need some sleep | 07:07 |
| NeoStrider | cya | 07:07 |
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| Wzrd2 | anyone know if they will port the mozilla browser to the 770? | 07:58 |
| Wzrd2 | how safe/stable is os2007 hacker edition? | 07:59 |
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| erstazi | Wzrd2, last time I checked maemo, they do have a port for the mozilla browser that works with IT2006 | 08:04 |
| Wzrd2 | yeah but not one with flash 9 support | 08:08 |
| Wzrd2 | which sux | 08:08 |
| erstazi | for maemo, what I know is, there is only Flash7 | 08:09 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, thats what I know of | 08:09 |
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| Wzrd2 | right! but the new version for the 880 runs with flash 9 | 08:10 |
| Wzrd2 | 800 I mean | 08:10 |
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| Wzrd2 | erstazi, do u know if 2007 hacker edition is stable | 08:14 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, I haven't tried it | 08:14 |
| erstazi | if you find where the download is, they will say if it is stable | 08:15 |
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| Wzrd2 | it says there are SOME bugs and it lists them | 08:16 |
| Wzrd2 | but how stable is it with those bugs I wonder | 08:16 |
| timelyx | Wzrd2: mozilla itself should run on the 770 | 08:16 |
| timelyx | but unfortunately official engineering effort isn't in that direction | 08:16 |
| timelyx | and the desktop team really likes changing all the apis, forcing all apps to reinvent their ui code annually | 08:17 |
| Wzrd2 | I guess I have wait until the new mozilla can be ported to the 770.. I really want Flash 9 | 08:19 |
| timelyx | err | 08:22 |
| * timelyx is confused | 08:22 | |
| timelyx | flash9 has no relation to anything except armel | 08:22 |
| Wzrd2 | I want a browser which will display pages in flash 9 | 08:23 |
| timelyx | mozilla doesn't include flash, it like just about every browser imaginable (except webcore?) supports NPAPI | 08:23 |
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| Wzrd2 | current browsers on the 770 only go to flash 7 | 08:23 |
| timelyx | err, no | 08:24 |
| timelyx | current browsers don't care | 08:24 |
| timelyx | the plugin that nokia ships for the 770 is flash7 | 08:24 |
| timelyx | but if you were to e.g. install a flash9 plugin | 08:24 |
| timelyx | then any browser that can use plugins at all would support flash9 | 08:24 |
| Wzrd2 | actually the opera browser which comes with the 770 uses flash 7 and supposedly u can't install flash on the minimo browser | 08:25 |
| Wzrd2 | people in here said there is no flash 9 plugin for the 770 | 08:25 |
| Wzrd2 | there isn't one yet that works with the 770 | 08:28 |
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| kamihacker | Wzrd2, it's some how stable but things like | 08:38 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, I was chatting over xchat the other day and the on-screen keyboard wouldn't appear when I clicked the textbox | 08:38 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, and multimedia support is not as good either | 08:38 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, but you should try it an see if it's good enough for what you need | 08:39 |
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| Wzrd2 | I was thinking about upgrading it but if the multimedia doesn't work well and other stuff i guess i'll wait until they port the new mozilla to the 770 | 08:45 |
| Wzrd2 | kami how would u downrade back if I don't like it? can u? | 08:45 |
| Wzrd2 | downgrade | 08:45 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, need to flash back | 08:46 |
| kamihacker | no other way | 08:46 |
| Wzrd2 | ugh. I hate flashing | 08:46 |
| kamihacker | I don't think they will port mozilla to 770 | 08:46 |
| Wzrd2 | too easy a chance to brick | 08:46 |
| kamihacker | why would you need mozilla? opera is good enough in my opinion | 08:46 |
| Wzrd2 | why don't you think so | 08:46 |
| Wzrd2 | because it only supports flash 7 | 08:46 |
| kamihacker | I don't need a plethora of extensions on the 770 | 08:46 |
| Wzrd2 | alot of pages I go to use flash 9 | 08:46 |
| kamihacker | with mozilla, it will be the same | 08:47 |
| kamihacker | otherwise there would be a need for a flash 9 plugin compiled for the 770 | 08:47 |
| Wzrd2 | the new mozilla for the 800 supports flash 9 | 08:47 |
| kamihacker | which doesn't exist, and I doubt it will exist | 08:47 |
| kamihacker | different libraries | 08:47 |
| Wzrd2 | it's on the main page of maemo | 08:47 |
| kamihacker | different processor | 08:47 |
| kamihacker | no can do | 08:47 |
| kamihacker | 770 and n800 are not similar enough to share that component | 08:48 |
| kamihacker | forget it | 08:48 |
| _Monkey | kamihacker: I forgot it | 08:48 |
| kamihacker | if you want flash9, get an n800 | 08:48 |
| Wzrd2 | test version of mozilla with flash 9 support | 08:48 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, read what I just wrote | 08:48 |
| Wzrd2 | I see that | 08:48 |
| Wzrd2 | what revision of os is hacker edition 2007 | 08:49 |
| kamihacker | I doubt it's going to happen, because adobe flash team won't port flash 9 to a platform that is going to be left behind, and nokia won't motivate them financially since they are phasing out the 770 | 08:49 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, if you haven't read os2007 hacker edition, packs the opera that comes on os2006 | 08:49 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, precisely because opera is complex and uses the flash 9 plug in and they couldn't make it work with diff libraries and processor | 08:50 |
| `0660 | proprietary applications :/ | 08:50 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, did you read the whole release notes for os2007 HE ? | 08:50 |
| kamihacker | `0660, precisely | 08:50 |
| Wzrd2 | I saw that but i'm thinking if the os is the correct version I could install the new mozilla and see if it works | 08:50 |
| Wzrd2 | but I guess it won't work | 08:51 |
| kamihacker | if flash technology were open people just would compile against the old OS and that's it | 08:51 |
| `0660 | it will work, as long as you have a flash 9 plugin installed | 08:51 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, it won't but feel free to give it a try | 08:51 |
| Wzrd2 | 0660 the problem is that there is no flash 9 plug in for the 770 | 08:51 |
| `0660 | i know | 08:52 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, yeah and it's most probably not going to be ported | 08:52 |
| `0660 | and that's why it won't work with 700 no matter which browser you install :/ | 08:52 |
| `0660 | 770 | 08:52 |
| timelyx | Wzrd2: the flash7 nokia shipped was actually hacked to have an improper api | 08:52 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, point is if you sit and wait for it to happen, you are just wasting time that you could be using to see flash9 content on the n800 | 08:52 |
| timelyx | but the flash9 plugin shipped w/ the newer os2007-4 is normal and can be used w/ any browser | 08:53 |
| Wzrd2 | timelyx but that is on the 800 though, right? | 08:53 |
| timelyx | but it's just a binary | 08:53 |
| timelyx | an armel binary at that | 08:53 |
| timelyx | has anyone considered just copying the thing to their 770? | 08:54 |
| timelyx | and trying it w/ minimo | 08:54 |
| Wzrd2 | copying what thing | 08:54 |
| timelyx | the plugin | 08:54 |
| Wzrd2 | that's what I was thinking of trying | 08:54 |
| Wzrd2 | but the plugin is for x86 | 08:54 |
| kamihacker | timelyx, I think someone should have, problem is I am sure it's compiled against a new set of libs that work on the n800 only | 08:54 |
| timelyx | Wzrd2: the flash9 plugin for the n800 is armel, not x86 | 08:55 |
| timelyx | since the device is armel, not x86 | 08:55 |
| Wzrd2 | shit I wasted money buying a 770 | 08:55 |
| Wzrd2 | I only found an x86 plugin | 08:55 |
| * timelyx sighs | 08:56 | |
| timelyx | find someone w/ an n800! | 08:56 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, you can always ebay it | 08:56 |
| Wzrd2 | I don't trust buying electronics from ebay | 08:56 |
| erstazi | its sad that scratchbox.org's repos for debian isn't kept up, I get a 404 when I add deb http://scratchbox.org/debian ./ to my sources.list | 08:56 |
| Wzrd2 | unless it's new | 08:56 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, sell yours get an n800 | 08:57 |
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| erstazi | Wzrd2, you could always port flash9 so you can use it on your 770 | 08:57 |
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| * timelyx sighs | 08:57 | |
| * timelyx doesn't have ldd | 08:57 | |
| Wzrd2 | how?? | 08:57 |
| Wzrd2 | i'm a newbie..I don't know shit about Linux or programming | 08:58 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, well, first, what OS do you have on your computer? | 08:58 |
| Wzrd2 | xp | 08:59 |
| * kamihacker looks at tigert | 08:59 | |
| * kamihacker looks at timelyx | 08:59 | |
| timelyx | ? | 09:00 |
| `0660 | you could start by ordering a C programming book from amazon :) | 09:00 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, my suggestion is read up on maemo.org | 09:00 |
| * kamihacker decides not to listen | 09:00 | |
| timelyx | ah right | 09:00 |
| timelyx | you need libpplayback-1.so | 09:00 |
| timelyx | ok | 09:01 |
| timelyx | that *should* be the only requirement that isn't part of older releases | 09:01 |
| Wzrd2 | read up on what? | 09:01 |
| timelyx | reverse engineering libplayback and providing NOP stubs would be fine | 09:01 |
| Wzrd2 | on porting? | 09:01 |
| timelyx | (or you could just try to grab it when you grab flashplayer) | 09:01 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, before that, I am backtracking, you need to read up on how to use your 770 and what apps you need etc etc | 09:01 |
| kamihacker | timelyx, I think so, that's why the netradio app won't work either | 09:01 |
| timelyx | (err libplayback-1.so, typing's hard) | 09:02 |
| erstazi | read up on *nix comands | 09:02 |
| erstazi | s/comands/commands | 09:02 |
| erstazi | kamihacker, and some people do not have enough money to buy a n800 yet | 09:02 |
| Wzrd2 | yeah that's me... not enough money | 09:02 |
| `0660 | even more people don't have the knowledge to port software :) | 09:03 |
| erstazi | 770 == $129.99 or n800 == $500 + | 09:03 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, I am among that group, hence I don't dwell, I make the choice to enjoy what I have | 09:03 |
| theefer | $500?? | 09:03 |
| erstazi | `0660, well, I won't tell Wzrd2 about scratchbox yet | 09:03 |
| `0660 | :P | 09:03 |
| theefer | I thought you could find it for $350 in the US | 09:03 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, $330 at amazon.com last time I checked | 09:03 |
| erstazi | ok then I am wrong | 09:03 |
| erstazi | but even so, thats double the price of a 770 | 09:03 |
| kamihacker | even so, it's a $200 that I am not willing to spend either (not at the moment at least) | 09:04 |
| erstazi | either way, remember everyone, we were all newbies at once | 09:04 |
| erstazi | ok Wzrd2, I want to give you a list of apps that you should install but as I said, you need to know the *nix basics before digging into your 770 | 09:05 |
| Wzrd2 | what's scratchbox | 09:05 |
| _Monkey | somebody said scratchbox was like the glue that ties it all together | 09:05 |
| Wzrd2 | what is *nix | 09:05 |
| erstazi | Unix, Linux.. | 09:05 |
| Wzrd2 | oh lol duh | 09:06 |
| `0660 | erstazi, how about making a realistic roadmap for Wzrd2? like installing ubuntu and using it for a year before continuing to read maemo.org? :) | 09:06 |
| erstazi | `0660, I was getting there, patience grasshopper | 09:06 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, there are many good distros of linux out there, Ubuntu is a popular one, it is based on debian just like the OS that is on your 770 | 09:07 |
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| erstazi | Wzrd2, now, you can do whats called dual boot, so you can either boot to windows or linux | 09:08 |
| erstazi | or, what I suggest you do first, is use whats called vmplayer which allows you to run a virtual operating system | 09:08 |
| Wzrd2 | so install ubuntu as a dual boot on my desktop | 09:08 |
| erstazi | or you could download an ISO (which I am sure you can google how to burn an ISO to CD) and run a LiveCD of Ubuntu | 09:09 |
| Wzrd2 | I know how to burn isos | 09:09 |
| erstazi | ok | 09:09 |
| erstazi | do that route | 09:09 |
| erstazi | run the LiveCD of Ubuntu, and you can get familiar before installing the OS onto your computer, because before you install, you need to repartition and other things | 09:10 |
| Wzrd2 | yeah | 09:10 |
| erstazi | but get familiar with *nix and how things work, you will enjoy it more, heck, I even have Photoshop running on Linux | 09:10 |
| erstazi | but there are *many* open source applications that will shock you with how great they are | 09:11 |
| solmumaha | what's wrong with gimp then? (besides gui) :) | 09:12 |
| erstazi | knew someone was going to type something about that | 09:12 |
| erstazi | haha | 09:13 |
| erstazi | solmumaha, nothing, I already paid for Photoshop, why not use it? I am a web developer | 09:13 |
| erstazi | but I do use gimp, sometimes | 09:13 |
| erstazi | but I do notice a compression difference, just seems like photoshop can compress more efficiently | 09:13 |
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| erstazi | Wzrd2, you can find LiveCD iso's at http://ubuntu.com | 09:14 |
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| kamihacker | timelyx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8295 | 09:16 |
| Wzrd2 | ok | 09:17 |
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| erstazi | hello bergie_ and jsmanrique | 09:18 |
| timelyx | kamihacker: amusing | 09:19 |
| timelyx | most of those menu changes are pretty stupid of course | 09:19 |
| timelyx | the hazard of intermingled components | 09:20 |
| kamihacker | timelyx, that's basically what is available, maybe the next HE | 09:20 |
| jsmanrique | erstazi: hi! | 09:20 |
| timelyx | kamihacker: it shouldn't be too hard to work around the bookmark stuff | 09:20 |
| timelyx | i think i did in my notes | 09:20 |
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| erstazi | jsmanrique, how are you? | 09:20 |
| timelyx | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 09:21 |
| timelyx | yeah, i worked around the bookmark thing for 3.2007 | 09:21 |
| timelyx | feel free to try it on older versions :) | 09:21 |
| kamihacker | :) | 09:21 |
| kamihacker | ok | 09:21 |
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| erstazi | ugh, I am getting tired. | 09:22 |
| timelyx | kamihacker: you guys really aren't hack(er)y enough | 09:22 |
| timelyx | note: i did not take real advantage of internal knowledge when i did that | 09:23 |
| kamihacker | I got my 770 three days ago | 09:23 |
| timelyx | i merely took an n800 w/ 3.2007 and the debs | 09:23 |
| kamihacker | I am still deciding what version of the OS I will keep | 09:23 |
| erstazi | kamihacker, where did you buy your 770 from? | 09:23 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, woot | 09:23 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, but I am an international buyer, so it took time to ship to my country | 09:24 |
| kamihacker | only thing that is bugging me now is that the bluetooth plugin for keyboards has an issue with latest os2006 | 09:25 |
| kamihacker | yet it works perfectly with os2007 built-in hardware keyboard manager | 09:25 |
| kamihacker | I've not made my mind yet, I don't use for multimedia, just ebooks and work on xterm | 09:26 |
| kamihacker | that's why flash7 won't bother me either, I don't web browse that much on it | 09:26 |
| erstazi | kamihacker, what brand and model for the keyboard did you buy? | 09:27 |
| kamihacker | stowaway sierra | 09:27 |
| erstazi | oh no, not ray charles again | 09:27 |
| kamihacker | a.k.a. the smudge magnet | 09:27 |
| kamihacker | lol | 09:27 |
| erstazi | heh | 09:27 |
| kamihacker | I should have researched the support before getting it, but I had one of those for my palm (over universal connector though) | 09:28 |
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| kamihacker | and I was used to think that the device would just work | 09:28 |
| erstazi | hello Vertoo | 09:29 |
| erstazi | yeah, I think I might down the road if I get sick and tired of the virtual keyboard, I might buy a bluetooth one | 09:29 |
| Vertoo | hey | 09:29 |
| erstazi | I think on maemo.org or nokia's site they have a list of supported keyboards | 09:29 |
| Vertoo | i like the v- kb | 09:30 |
| erstazi | but so far, I am ok with it | 09:30 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, there are other choices, I am not sick of the onscreen on, it's just that I've always used real keyboards or handwriting since PalmIIIxe | 09:30 |
| erstazi | I try to avoid too much xterm on the 770, but ssh works nicely | 09:30 |
| Vertoo | its pretty efficient once you get the hang of it | 09:30 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, oh definitely | 09:30 |
| kulve | erstazi: about the sb url. See the second news on the main page.. | 09:30 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, I've not tried screen, but it if doesn't work out ok, I can always screen somewhere else through ssh | 09:31 |
| erstazi | exactly, kamihacker | 09:31 |
| erstazi | kulve, thank you, that would explain a lot | 09:32 |
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| Vertoo | anyone know of a text editor on here? | 09:32 |
| kamihacker | and I just find out sadly that I have to install syslog and klog to see what's going on with DUN over btooth with my phone | 09:33 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, CLI or GUI? | 09:33 |
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| kulve | erstazi: the download page will be updated shortly too :) | 09:33 |
| erstazi | kulve, I wondered what happened, everything I thought was bleak | 09:33 |
| Vertoo | either. gui would be nice though | 09:33 |
| erstazi | Veggen, maemopad or maemopad+ | 09:33 |
| erstazi | for GUI | 09:33 |
| erstazi | s/Veggen/Vertoo | 09:33 |
| erstazi | damn tab | 09:34 |
| erstazi | for CLI, you can get nano or install vim,... vi is installed by default | 09:34 |
| erstazi | I do not think emacs is ported | 09:35 |
| erstazi | but I could be wrong | 09:35 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, personally, I prefer maemopad over maemopad+, its lighter | 09:35 |
| Vertoo | can any of the gui ones load a file that i specify? like /etc/hosts | 09:35 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, I know maemopad can | 09:35 |
| Vertoo | mamopad it is. thx | 09:36 |
| erstazi | no problem | 09:36 |
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| erstazi | Vertoo, btw, its maemopad just incase your search comes to no avail... I suggest using the repos at .. let me check | 09:37 |
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| erstazi | hello Sulis, how are you? | 09:37 |
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| Vertoo | already installed, thanks for following through though. | 09:38 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, ok | 09:38 |
| Vertoo | is there an easy way to put someones nick into the text or does everyone type it? | 09:39 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, first two letters then hit/tap the tab key | 09:39 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, thats how I messed up your nick with the other nick, I didn't hit tab twice | 09:39 |
| erstazi | you can do one letter, but in channels that have this many nicks, two or three characters are more efficient | 09:40 |
| Wzrd2 | kami, try to install the mozilla browser and tell me if it works | 09:41 |
| Wzrd2 | on 2007 he | 09:41 |
| Wzrd2 | the new one | 09:41 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that the new one is using 19% | 09:41 |
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| Vertoo | it doesnt wz | 09:42 |
| Vertoo | Wzrd2, | 09:42 |
| Wzrd2 | figured that | 09:42 |
| Wzrd2 | that sux!! | 09:42 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, well, if you learn the basics and some advance, you could port those apps over | 09:43 |
| Wzrd2 | can't someone who knows what the hell they are doing do it? | 09:43 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, I am doing it slowly | 09:44 |
| erstazi | mostly, people don't have all the time in the world | 09:44 |
| Wzrd2 | u are?? porting flash 9 to work on the 770? | 09:44 |
| Wzrd2 | well I know that erstazi | 09:44 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, I prefer gecko-based browsers over opera but I find opera alright for this tablet | 09:45 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, I have no need for flash | 09:45 |
| Wzrd2 | I like opera.. I just want f-ing flash 9 to work on my 770!! | 09:45 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, but I could take it on, there is an open source flash out there | 09:45 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, well, flash is independent of the browser | 09:45 |
| Wzrd2 | I use my 770 primarily for web browssing | 09:45 |
| Wzrd2 | when I researched the 770 and 800 I thought the 770 could be upgraded to use flash9 | 09:46 |
| Wzrd2 | and I also didn't and still don't have the money for an 800 | 09:46 |
| Wzrd2 | so I stupidly bought the 770 | 09:47 |
| erstazi | Wzrd2, I don't regret the 770,.. there could be a port out there | 09:47 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, if I try it, I will let you know, I am only interested in checking if os2007 works better for DUN with my krzr k1 | 09:47 |
| erstazi | the issue is, most of these apps are not centralized and some of them are not stable | 09:48 |
| Vertoo | maemopad doesnt support loading a file by path | 09:48 |
| Wzrd2 | I like the 770 except for the non flash 9 support | 09:48 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, hmm, I didn't have a problem with that | 09:48 |
| Wzrd2 | I like how it's small and I can quickly browse the web with it | 09:48 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, the path is protected I believe, just like how root is protected | 09:48 |
| kamihacker | Wzrd2, I don't know why you hammer yourself over the flash9 issue, flash9 is mainly used for youtube and entertainment purposes, I don't see how that affects you in a terrible manner | 09:48 |
| erstazi | as a web developer who takes the WAI guidelines seriously, I find flash very horrid | 09:49 |
| Wzrd2 | I had my desktop off and I forgot I wanted to look at something on the net so I fired up my 770, checked what I needed and then shut it down | 09:49 |
| kamihacker | erstazi, word up | 09:49 |
| Wzrd2 | cuz I browse web pages which use flash 9 | 09:49 |
| Wzrd2 | as well as ones that don't | 09:49 |
| Wzrd2 | that's all | 09:50 |
| Vertoo | also, erstazi , i cant seem to log into root on here. i can ssh to it, but i cant just sudo in | 09:50 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, you need a few packages, first one is x-terminal (get the advanced one) | 09:50 |
| erstazi | second is becomeroot so you can type: sudo gainroot | 09:50 |
| erstazi | make sure you change your passwords for both user and root | 09:51 |
| Vertoo | i have xterm, i think i need become root. where can i get that? | 09:51 |
| erstazi | maemo.org | 09:51 |
| _Monkey | somebody said maemo.org was ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) | 09:51 |
| erstazi | http://maemo.org | 09:51 |
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| erstazi | Vertoo, do you know how to edit your sources.list? | 09:53 |
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| erstazi | hello nelson and guynux_mamo | 09:54 |
| erstazi | how are you two? | 09:54 |
| Vertoo | no? | 09:54 |
| _Monkey | no are solved | 09:54 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, no what? | 09:54 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, forget no | 09:54 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot no | 09:54 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, oh nevermind I remember haha, short term memory | 09:56 |
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| Vertoo | wth | 10:02 |
| Vertoo | enable rd mode if i want to break my device???? | 10:03 |
| Vertoo | erstazi, whats all this then? | 10:03 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, for what package? | 10:04 |
| erstazi | if its becomeroot, they say that because with root you can break your device | 10:04 |
| Vertoo | oh, ok. so am i root now? or do i need to do something? | 10:05 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, are you in xterm? | 10:06 |
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| Vertoo | yes | 10:06 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, type: sudo gainroot | 10:06 |
| Vertoo | did it | 10:06 |
| erstazi | now, make sure you change your passwords for both user and root | 10:06 |
| erstazi | passwd user | 10:06 |
| Vertoo | pw user and pw root? | 10:07 |
| Vertoo | k | 10:07 |
| Vertoo | you may not view or modify the password for root | 10:08 |
| Vertoo | methinks im not logged in as root | 10:08 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, did you type: sudo gainroot | 10:08 |
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| Vertoo | yup | 10:09 |
| erstazi | ok, ssh to your tablet | 10:09 |
| erstazi | then type sudo gainroot | 10:10 |
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| erstazi | Vertoo, it should change from $ to # (thats how mine is default) | 10:11 |
| Vertoo | crap | 10:13 |
| Vertoo | i edited my host file | 10:13 |
| Vertoo | and pasted something large in there | 10:13 |
| Vertoo | scrolled up and couldn't find original text | 10:14 |
| Vertoo | so i just closed terminal | 10:14 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, what editor did you use? | 10:14 |
| Vertoo | checked again. and its blank | 10:14 |
| erstazi | ok | 10:14 |
| Vertoo | vi | 10:14 |
| erstazi | yeah, vi requires you do type this: ":w" or ":wq" to save | 10:14 |
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| erstazi | thats without quotes | 10:15 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, if you ever have that problem again, type ":q!" without quotes | 10:15 |
| erstazi | that exists you out of vi without saving | 10:16 |
| Vertoo | hosts looks blank though | 10:16 |
| Vertoo | nvm | 10:16 |
| Vertoo | was looking at host not hosts | 10:17 |
| Vertoo | so whats the max line limit? | 10:17 |
| erstazi | you can change that | 10:17 |
| erstazi | which tablet do you have? 770 or n800? | 10:18 |
| Vertoo | 800 | 10:18 |
| erstazi | Vertoo, I have a 770 so bare with me, select the menu at the top | 10:19 |
| erstazi | it says X Terminal | 10:19 |
| erstazi | and go to settings | 10:19 |
| erstazi | it should be there | 10:19 |
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| Vertoo | got it. its now set to 10000 | 10:21 |
| erstazi | haha | 10:22 |
| erstazi | hi Wizzard | 10:22 |
| erstazi | ok now I am going to sleep | 10:23 |
| erstazi | night all | 10:23 |
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| timeless | kaiwai: where do you feel you( or your bugs a)'re being ignored? | 10:38 |
| timeless | oops, wrong channel | 10:38 |
| disq | mmm. +s channels eh | 10:41 |
| timeless | eh? | 10:41 |
| disq | eh. | 10:43 |
| timeless | anyway | 10:45 |
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| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ now works | 10:46 |
| timeless | in case people want to browse around random garage projects | 10:47 |
| timeless | it should have a working text and identifier index | 10:47 |
| timeless | and http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/ should let you see sources for something similar to the osso platform core | 10:49 |
| timeless | the thing there is a pull date, i don't actually pull sardine often | 10:50 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
| timeless | hi ad-n700, jaffa | 11:17 |
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| thomasvs | anyone know of a pyopenssl package ? the irc log mentions one existing once or twice but I can't find it | 11:44 |
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| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ vpnc? | 11:47 |
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| celesteh | i use vnc on a different platform . . . | 12:02 |
| timeless | that's not really related | 12:06 |
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| moo2 | hi. Is it possible to install the latest maemo OS on the 770? | 12:55 |
| c0ffee | no | 12:56 |
| c0ffee | but there's a hacker edition of the latest maemo os that will work on the 770 | 12:56 |
| moo2 | Ok, so I forget the $150 770 I found... | 12:56 |
| c0ffee | it's available from garage | 12:56 |
| moo2 | I would like a n800 but it's too expensive. My wife said "you already want the next Neo1973 in October, don't you think it's enough ?" sigh | 12:57 |
| c0ffee | you're not alone :) | 12:59 |
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| timeless | ok, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ no longer hides garage/sardine | 13:13 |
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| keesj | the n800 is already more then I can hanle there are so many possibilities | 13:26 |
| keesj | but yes Neo is sexy, | 13:26 |
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| keesj | the e17 /edj on screen keyboard is the next code I want to touch . I will try to improve usability | 13:34 |
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| keesj | for who misted it http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ | 13:34 |
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| lardman | Anyone tried installing geoclue? | 13:55 |
| keesj | lardman: there was something difficult about installing it right? | 13:55 |
| lardman | Supposedly it requires dpkg, thoug it all installed fine using the package manager for me | 13:56 |
| lardman | from the downloaded files, not from the list in package manager that is as the ones in the list are supposed to be old | 13:57 |
| lardman | But I can't get the statusbar applet to load, so nothing seems to work | 13:57 |
| lardman | Any ideas how to debug statusbar applets? | 13:57 |
| inz | lardman, gdb /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop.launch | 13:58 |
| inz | lardman, or hildon-desktop.launch, if running chinook/sardine | 13:59 |
| lardman | inz: Will that load while the statusbar is already running? | 13:59 |
| keesj | btw my browser stopped working :( | 14:02 |
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| lardman | hmm interesting, it's started the desktop again, I've now got two | 14:05 |
| lardman | uurgh, can't ctrl-c out of it as half the onscreen kb is obscured | 14:05 |
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| lardman | inz: I couldn't see anything relating to applets in there, not sure if it's happy loading them twice | 14:08 |
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| inz | lardman, it should be, dunno though | 14:13 |
| lardman | not to worry, crashed the desktop when I closed the second one anyway, I should have piped the output of the command | 14:14 |
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| inz | lardman, I'd suggest ssh'ing in for debugging ;) | 14:17 |
| lardman | inz: I'll try that, my battery's just gone flat so it'll have to wait 'till this evening | 14:19 |
| lardman | Shame the output from the desktop components isn't piped somewhere for people to look at | 14:20 |
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| lardman | Opie had something like that so you could see what had gone wrong without needing to work out what to run again | 14:21 |
| cosmo | anyone know which companies arrange maemo training in finland? | 14:21 |
| kulve | lardman: try installing syslog or compile the desktop by yourself (without maemo launcher) | 14:21 |
| lardman | kulve: The desktop components write to syslog? good good | 14:22 |
| geaaru | hi, how can i start browser in fullscreen mode? (from console or from menu?) | 14:23 |
| geaaru | can be do that from dbus? | 14:23 |
| geaaru | thank in advance | 14:23 |
| kulve | lardman: I don't think they directly use syslog, but they seem to end up there any way.. | 14:24 |
| kulve | geaaru: try searching in the mailing list archive. You are not the first one wondering about that.. | 14:25 |
| lardman | kulve: Okay, as long as the output's there I might be able to work out what's wrong. Thanks for the tip | 14:25 |
| geaaru | kulve: i try. | 14:25 |
| geaaru | ty | 14:25 |
| zeenix | cosmo: movial does, afaik | 14:26 |
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| zeenix | cosmo: http://movial.fi/en/device_creation/Movial_Linux_Trainings/#maemo-gnome-programming | 14:26 |
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| cosmo | zeenix: thanks | 14:41 |
| cosmo | tieturi seems to organize also one in october | 14:41 |
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| robtaylor | /wg #openmoko | 15:18 |
| robtaylor | gah | 15:18 |
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| celesteh | hi, how do i type an escape without a hardware keyboard? | 15:44 |
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| celesteh | anyone? | 15:46 |
| pwille | on n800 (in xterm) its the key just under the dpad | 15:46 |
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| celesteh | ok. what is the dpad? | 15:47 |
| Dasajev | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpad | 15:47 |
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| celesteh | thanks | 15:48 |
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| pwille | what do we call that key anyway? | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | Back/Escape | 15:49 |
| pwille | ah, makes sense :) | 15:50 |
| celesteh | ah, not on the keyboard | 15:50 |
| erstazi | yeah, its actually one of the buttons | 15:50 |
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| celesteh | yay, i just wrote hello world! | 15:51 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone tried the Motorola HT820's with Kagu? | 16:11 |
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| Toma- | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2139871356260128038 | 16:18 |
| Toma- | :) | 16:18 |
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| ||cw | http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/30/tenacious-hacker-brings-the-iphone-keyboard-to-a-nokia-n800/ | 16:19 |
| ||cw | anyone tried that yet? | 16:19 |
| NeoStrider | tried DR16 yesterday...too confusing! | 16:19 |
| Toma- | yeh 17 is more along the lines of a DE | 16:20 |
| NeoStrider | ||cw: gustavo did it =-) | 16:20 |
| ||cw | yeah, article says | 16:20 |
| NeoStrider | he's from indt, so its gonna take some time until we see it | 16:20 |
| ||cw | srtical says brazil | 16:20 |
| NeoStrider | but im sure they will release it as soon as they can | 16:20 |
| ||cw | indt? | 16:21 |
| _Monkey | i think indt is a nokia research center in brazil. They distribute a vmware image of Ubuntu Feisty with the N800 development environment already installed | 16:21 |
| ||cw | ah ok | 16:21 |
| ||cw | think it'll work on the 770 too? | 16:21 |
| NeoStrider | maybe | 16:21 |
| NeoStrider | its python | 16:21 |
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| NeoStrider | there is no reason for it to not run | 16:21 |
| Toma- | im on it! | 16:22 |
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| Toma- | Oh snap! its using edje :D | 16:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | NeoStrider, ||cw: gustavo is me | 16:22 |
| NeoStrider | hey gustavo! k-s[WORK] | 16:23 |
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| NeoStrider | sumido =-P | 16:23 |
| ||cw | cool, hope this works out to be releasable | 16:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | _Monkey: we also do Canola, Carman, Mamona, ... | 16:23 |
| _Monkey | k-s[WORK]: huh? | 16:23 |
| NeoStrider | k-s[WORK]: _Monkey is a bot | 16:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | ||cw: no 770, I compiled with -march=arm1136j-s | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | k-s[WORK] (or other INDt folk): is there an ETA on the new Canola? All these new features sound wonderful (even if some of them are re-inventing GeoClue), but it sounds an awful lot like Second System Syndrome | 16:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: it may look like a SSS, but it's not | 16:25 |
| bueroman | ||cw, the development environment for n770 is in the vmware image too | 16:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: we do not aim to replace the system, but do have a "multimedia mode" for it | 16:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: we'll never have PIM or Office for instance... possible not browser or text-RSS that soon | 16:26 |
| inz | _Monkey, indt =~ /intalled/installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona.../ | 16:27 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, inz. | 16:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: neither management (reorganize your media, add contacts, ...) | 16:27 |
| inz | _Monkey, indt =~ /installed/installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona.../ | 16:27 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, inz. | 16:27 |
| inz | bleh | 16:27 |
| inz | nm | 16:27 |
| inz | _Monkey, indt =~ s/installed/installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona.../ | 16:27 |
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| _Monkey | OK, inz | 16:27 |
| inz | ahh | 16:27 |
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| erstazi | hello NeoStrider | 16:27 |
| NeoStrider | hello erstazi | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | k-s[WORK]: OK, cool. I understood the reasons for switching from SDL (very sensible) and the GeoClue-like stuff sounds very cool. But now I'm impatient and want some fresh bling :-) | 16:28 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey, indt | 16:28 |
| _Monkey | somebody said indt was a nokia research center in brazil. They distribute a vmware image of Ubuntu Feisty with the N800 development environment already installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona... | 16:28 |
| NeoStrider | good | 16:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: so compile e17 there and start hacking :-) | 16:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: kenne and I wrote a tutorial at e17 wiki, it was posted on OSnews the other day | 16:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Creating_Edje_User_Interfaces | 16:30 |
| NeoStrider | isnt blackbox a better aproach? | 16:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | NeoStrider: not that much | 16:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | and I'm not suggesting e17 as wm, but their libs | 16:30 |
| NeoStrider | ahhhhh | 16:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | hildon desktop/matchbox is fine so far | 16:30 |
| NeoStrider | elibs looks VERY COOL | 16:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: as for previews of Canola/Carman/... it will take some time, we're working on the infrastructure | 16:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: I was writing these demos to explore features of EFL, fixing bugs, implementing missing features | 16:36 |
| NeoStrider | k-s[WORK]: that iphone keyboard was just a cool demo or it will integrate a product? | 16:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: kenne is writing current UI | 16:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: Ryback_ is working with Models and Controllers in python | 16:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | I may join Ryback_ in this taks soon | 16:38 |
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| k-s[WORK] | etrunko and andrunko will work on etk, so we can remove the damn web-ui | 16:39 |
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| andrunko | that's me | 16:40 |
| etrunko | opa | 16:41 |
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| etrunko | ;) | 16:41 |
| NeoStrider | name clashes! =-P | 16:42 |
| NeoStrider | or just a similaritie? | 16:42 |
| NeoStrider | nah..nevermind | 16:42 |
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| MoRpHeUz | Jaffa: I am working with lsobral at the media engine infraestructure.. | 16:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: as you can see, need to put pieces together :-) | 16:44 |
| NeoStrider | wow...lots of indt people in less than 10 minutes! | 16:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | I hope that this will make it much better than first canola | 16:45 |
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| k-s[WORK] | NeoStrider: sure, our paid work require us to join #maemo, so... | 16:47 |
| rtcm | hi, just installed maemo but can't get 'apt-get update' to work it complains: Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' | 16:50 |
| rtcm | but I can: wget repository.maemo.org, just fine | 16:51 |
| rtcm | i'm puzzled | 16:51 |
| inz | The (in)famous /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 16:52 |
| inz | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoFaq/AptGetFailsToDownload | 16:53 |
| inz | It isn't too verbose or anything though ;) | 16:53 |
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| NeoStrider | _Handful__: what a miracle! | 16:58 |
| NeoStrider | indt meeting over IRC? =-P | 16:59 |
| _Handful__ | =) | 16:59 |
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| lardman | Can a Python hacker tell me how I can instantiate a class from a variable name? E.g. class is called yacas_plugin and I want to read this string from a file and create a class instance | 17:16 |
| thomasvs | lardman: you read the module from disk | 17:17 |
| thomasvs | lardman: you look up the symbol in the module's dict | 17:17 |
| thomasvs | lardman: and you store that to a variable | 17:17 |
| thomasvs | lardman: then you instantiate an instance by doing my_instance = klazz() | 17:18 |
| thomasvs | (assuming klazz is the variable name for the class) | 17:18 |
| * mgedmin prefers cls, although pep8 recommends class_ | 17:18 | |
| lardman | thomasvs: Yes, I'll read the module name to load the module, but I don;t know what the class name will be before I read the file | 17:18 |
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| thomasvs | lardman: when do you know the class name then ? | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | import module; cls = getattr(module, 'classname') | 17:19 |
| lardman | mgedmin: Thanks | 17:19 |
| lardman | thomasvs: I'll read it from a conf file | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | usually it's a better idea to have a mapping of names to classes | 17:19 |
| lardman | module names to classes? | 17:19 |
| lardman | I'll explain what I'm up to... | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | plugins = {'myplugin1': module1.MyPluginClass, 'myplugin2': module2.MyOtherPlugin} | 17:20 |
| lardman | I'm writing a calculator frontend for which I want to have different backends, the current backend name will be stored in a conf file, and I'll subclass a class pycalc_plugin to provide input/output/info methods. So for yacas I'll have a class called yacas_plugin | 17:21 |
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| lardman | which is a subclass of pycalc_plugin, so I can always call the same methods. I just need to know how to instantiate the class in the first place | 17:22 |
| lardman | I could always use the same class name, and only load one backend at a time, but I'd like to be able to have more than one loaded, so they need different names. Does that make sense? | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | I think so, yes | 17:23 |
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| mgedmin | by the way, setuptools has entry points which is intended to solve this exact problem, I think | 17:23 |
| lardman | Okay, I'll take a look | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/setuptools | 17:23 |
| * lardman needs to read more of his Python book | 17:23 | |
| mgedmin | on a low Python level you probably want to get the name of the plugin module in a variable, __import__() it, then get some attribute inside | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | e.g. plugin = __import__(plugin_module).get_plugin() | 17:24 |
| lardman | I've seen the __import__() method and that's what I plan to use | 17:25 |
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| lardman | what will be in plugin? Will that be a class instance? | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | if you want to support packages (i.e. if plugin_module can be a dotted name like 'foo.bar.mymodule') then you need to wave a dead chicken over it: | 17:25 |
| lardman | no, it needn't be anything more than a simple name | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | plugin = __import__(plugin_module, {}, {}, ('*', )).get_plugin() | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | but setuptools and Python eggs are where the future lies, apparently | 17:26 |
| lardman | ah, so get_plugin() is a non-class method that returns an instance of the class? | 17:26 |
| rtcm | inz: sorry for the lag. but my nsswitch.conf was already correct with 'hosts: files dns' and I can use wget inside scratchbox | 17:29 |
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| lardman | mgedmin: thanks for the help | 17:30 |
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| mgedmin | re the get_plugin function: this is Python, you can decide on whatever you want | 17:31 |
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| mgedmin | you could require the plugins to define a class named 'Plugin' | 17:31 |
| amr | i was just looking at the nokia 770 and cant really find an answer to this | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | or you could split the string from your config file into a module name and the class name | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | and use getattr on the module object that __import__ returns | 17:31 |
| amr | is it feasible to use the device to listen to mp3s stored on a flash card without issue | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | amr: yes | 17:32 |
| amr | and to watch avi files (im happy encoding them, thats no issue) | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | also yes, if you reencode them | 17:32 |
| amr | excellent | 17:32 |
| amr | so i wont have issues with the video/audio being out of sync or having sluggish playback? | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | that depends on how you encode the videos | 17:33 |
| amr | how do you mean | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | that's the point of reencoding: most videos out there require more cpu power than the 770 has | 17:33 |
| amr | yeah | 17:33 |
| amr | what would i need to encode to | 17:34 |
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| mgedmin | there's a script somewhere, called 770 encode, I think | 17:35 |
| amr | think i may have it | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | I've used it once out of interest (reencoding is just too much hassle, so I prefer watching videos on my laptop) | 17:35 |
| NeoStrider | i have seen it before | 17:35 |
| amr | http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl:source ? | 17:35 |
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| NeoStrider | on the applicationcatalog | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | I think so | 17:35 |
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| inz | rtcm, and that was /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf? (i.e. not the target's /etc/nsswitch.conf) | 17:36 |
| amr | i was looking at mp3 players of a similar price and thought i may as well pick one of these up | 17:36 |
| amr | seeing as i get so much more | 17:36 |
| Blacksitox | hola | 17:37 |
| NeoStrider | "hola" =-0 | 17:39 |
| NeoStrider | =-) | 17:39 |
| amr | 'media converter' the java application looks pretty handy | 17:39 |
| amr | i imagine maemo mpeg4 would be the best format? | 17:39 |
| Blacksitox | hello xd | 17:39 |
| rtcm | inz: ah ok, didn't notice they were different | 17:40 |
| rtcm | inz: thanks! | 17:40 |
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| NeoStrider | I actually got good fps with plain mpeg | 17:40 |
| amr | whats good fps | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | fluent | 17:40 |
| amr | oh, cool | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | dont know the exact fps | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | with mplayer, some avi works good too | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | but 3gpp is always the best | 17:40 |
| amr | so trying to watch a recorded tv episode isnt a lost cause | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | no...not really | 17:41 |
| amr | excellent | 17:41 |
| NeoStrider | it comes with some videos indeed | 17:41 |
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| NeoStrider | it comes with a .avi video | 17:42 |
| amr | do you have a 770 too? | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | amr: 770-encode is my favourite - but I'm biased :) | 17:43 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 17:43 |
| amr | Jaffa, haha, how come you say that? | 17:43 |
| amr | NeoStrider, whats the battery life like realistically? | 17:43 |
| amr | how much does it suck down battery listening to mp3s or watching vids or playing games | 17:43 |
| NeoStrider | amr: hum...I cant really measure, as my home WIFI is out...but I usually get a couple of days | 17:43 |
| NeoStrider | what I dont really know | 17:44 |
| NeoStrider | I dont use it for anything but debugging | 17:44 |
| NeoStrider | (debugging 3D games...very demanding) | 17:44 |
| amr | oh right, no wonder you get so long then lol | 17:44 |
| amr | oh | 17:44 |
| NeoStrider | also, I usb a lot | 17:44 |
| NeoStrider | so this takes power too | 17:44 |
| amr | thats cool battery life | 17:45 |
| ||cw | last I tried, 2-3 hours doing web browsing and mp3 streaming | 17:45 |
| NeoStrider | I would risk saying 3 days, with proeminent use of offline mode and standby | 17:45 |
| NeoStrider | I use it on short bursts of intense use | 17:45 |
| amr | which would be worse, continuous wifi usage or continuous mp3 playing | 17:45 |
| amr | or video playing | 17:45 |
| NeoStrider | wifi | 17:45 |
| NeoStrider | wifi is both demanding and heating | 17:45 |
| amr | oh thats ok then | 17:45 |
| amr | as long as i get enough battery life to last my plane journey im happy :P | 17:46 |
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| NeoStrider | I dont listen to music on it often | 17:46 |
| erstazi | wifi definitely | 17:46 |
| amr | what devices do you all have? | 17:46 |
| erstazi | I listen to stream from slimserver on another computer | 17:46 |
| NeoStrider | but I still do sometimes | 17:46 |
| erstazi | I have a 770 | 17:46 |
| NeoStrider | 770 too | 17:46 |
| NeoStrider | with the lastest revision OS | 17:46 |
| NeoStrider | Maemo 2.2 | 17:46 |
| amr | oh cool | 17:46 |
| amr | is the interface as bad as ive heard? | 17:47 |
| NeoStrider | and u , erstazi? | 17:47 |
| NeoStrider | not really | 17:47 |
| NeoStrider | quite good indeed | 17:47 |
| NeoStrider | but I do use more x-terminal | 17:47 |
| amr | sweet im definitely ordering one of these | 17:47 |
| NeoStrider | it worth | 17:47 |
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| amr | i may have to buy a couple of 1gb rs-mmc's | 17:48 |
| NeoStrider | I got a 512 mb | 17:48 |
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| ||cw | the interface a just different. once you get how it works, it's pretty good | 17:48 |
| NeoStrider | works very well | 17:48 |
| amr | If you order this product before 4pm today, UK customers could expect delivery tomorrow morning. | 17:49 |
| amr | oops | 17:49 |
| amr | sorry | 17:49 |
| NeoStrider | the default theme is somewhat ugly (purple and gray...but the orange one is very sexy) | 17:49 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, I haven't updated the OS yet | 17:49 |
| NeoStrider | mistral? | 17:49 |
| _Monkey | i heard mistral was a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented | 17:49 |
| amr | lol | 17:49 |
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| erstazi | I use the teal | 17:49 |
| amr | im getting the 770 + 1gb card for ?77 | 17:49 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, yes | 17:49 |
| amr | i hope im not being ripped off :P | 17:49 |
| NeoStrider | ah...good...but has some nasty bugs | 17:50 |
| erstazi | amr, wait | 17:50 |
| amr | for ?85, actually | 17:50 |
| erstazi | amr, what currency? | 17:50 |
| amr | GBP | 17:50 |
| erstazi | ah | 17:50 |
| amr | good/bad ? | 17:50 |
| erstazi | $173 USD | 17:50 |
| amr | including a card? | 17:50 |
| erstazi | you are paying $24 USD over what I paid with a 1gb (free shipping) | 17:51 |
| erstazi | amr, $173 USD including card | 17:51 |
| NeoStrider | sounds good for me | 17:51 |
| NeoStrider | and for you guys? | 17:51 |
| erstazi | 11,77 GBP | 17:51 |
| erstazi | more | 17:52 |
| amr | how much is shipping to the UK though | 17:52 |
| erstazi | but thats probably for shipping and maybe the 770 is more in your market | 17:52 |
| Jaffa | amr: cos I wrote 770-encode.pl :) | 17:52 |
| amr | 173 is ?84 | 17:52 |
| erstazi | amr, I don't know that, I was just doing some math conversions for currency | 17:52 |
| amr | so im paying ?1 over :P | 17:52 |
| erstazi | no | 17:52 |
| amr | Jaffa, ah, that would make you biased then :P | 17:52 |
| erstazi | you are paying 11.77 GBP | 17:52 |
| erstazi | over | 17:52 |
| amr | you paid 150? | 17:53 |
| erstazi | I paid $129.99 USD (buy.com) | 17:53 |
| amr | oh | 17:53 |
| erstazi | or 63.75 british pounds | 17:53 |
| amr | well i feel conned | 17:53 |
| erstazi | don't | 17:54 |
| erstazi | because buy.com had a deal going on | 17:54 |
| amr | ah | 17:54 |
| erstazi | so I saved $10 | 17:54 |
| erstazi | and free shipping for the 770 | 17:54 |
| erstazi | and 1gb rs-mmc | 17:54 |
| amr | ah lol | 17:54 |
| erstazi | amr, its all about deals, ebay was way too expensive so I jumped at buy.com | 17:54 |
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| amr | if i order in 6 minutes | 17:54 |
| amr | i get it tomorrow morning | 17:54 |
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| erstazi | there were sellers on ebay charging $20 USD or 9.80 GBP for shipping | 17:55 |
| erstazi | crazy | 17:55 |
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| amr | rofl | 17:56 |
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| amr | mega crazy | 17:56 |
| amr | ordered :) | 17:56 |
| NeoStrider | \o/ | 17:56 |
| erstazi | amr, maemo.org is your friend | 17:56 |
| amr | :-) | 17:56 |
| erstazi | and of course, the wonderful people in this channel | 17:56 |
| amr | of course | 17:57 |
| erstazi | ok time to run to the shop, shall be back in 10 minutes | 17:57 |
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| whaq_ | 1tb external drive for $229.. that's not bad, is it? | 17:57 |
| NeoStrider | whaq_: do you need all this stuff? | 17:58 |
| erstazi | whaq_, back about 4 years ago, I paid $400 for a 120gb internal | 17:58 |
| erstazi | be bak | 17:58 |
| erstazi | s/bak/back | 17:58 |
| inz | why correct, bak sounds terminatorish | 17:58 |
| whaq_ | NeoStrider: i didn't *need* to eat the fillet mignon last night, but it sure was nice :] | 17:58 |
| erstazi | well, my father's side is Austrian... | 17:58 |
| amr | wait what | 17:59 |
| amr | it says order before 4 | 17:59 |
| whaq_ | erstazi: well, yeah.. but comparatively speaking of the current market i mean. | 17:59 |
| amr | yet on my order status page it says Estimated 11 Days | 17:59 |
| amr | oh dear... | 17:59 |
| erstazi | whaq_, that was my point, with the market of just 4 years ago, $229 for a 1tb is nothing | 17:59 |
| erstazi | its like cheese slices | 17:59 |
| erstazi | the new gets moldy real quick if not refrigerated | 18:00 |
| erstazi | wait, that didn't make sense,... ok gtg | 18:00 |
| whaq_ | har har | 18:00 |
| whaq_ | take care | 18:00 |
| NeoStrider | cya | 18:00 |
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| amr | oh dear | 18:06 |
| amr | cancelled the order | 18:06 |
| NeoStrider | what? | 18:06 |
| amr | it will take 11 days | 18:06 |
| NeoStrider | oh god... | 18:06 |
| amr | i go on holiday in 10 :P | 18:06 |
| amr | have to find another site | 18:07 |
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| whaq_ | amr are you looking at expansys? | 18:12 |
| amr | yes | 18:12 |
| amr | how did you guess | 18:12 |
| whaq_ | it's the only 'global' deal around for around that price, i'd reckon.. | 18:13 |
| whaq_ | they have expansys.com.sg also for apac | 18:13 |
| amr | im ordering from play.com now | 18:13 |
| amr | should be here on the 2nd | 18:13 |
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| NeoStrider | gtg | 18:16 |
| NeoStrider | lunch and work | 18:16 |
| NeoStrider | cya fellows | 18:16 |
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| amr | is there a difference between mmc-mobile | 18:16 |
| amr | and rs-mmc | 18:16 |
| whaq_ | amr: how much at play? | 18:16 |
| whaq_ | don't know. i'm waiting for my n800s, i don't want to deal with mmc cards. | 18:17 |
| amr | 79.99 shipped for the unit | 18:17 |
| amr | more than i wanted to pay but im not really bothered | 18:17 |
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| whaq_ | fair enough | 18:20 |
| whaq_ | when will it get to ya? | 18:20 |
| amr | on the 2nd | 18:21 |
| amr | so 2 days | 18:21 |
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| amr | do i actually need to do anything to my 770 when i get it | 18:26 |
| amr | load hacked firmware or kernels or what have you | 18:26 |
| whaq_ | good deal | 18:26 |
| whaq_ | suppose update it to latest IT2006 OS if it does not already have it | 18:27 |
| amr | hm? | 18:27 |
| amr | ok | 18:27 |
| VladDrac | amr: expansys.nl still has some | 18:31 |
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| amr | more expensive though | 18:32 |
| amr | ~?113 :-( | 18:33 |
| amr | ty though | 18:33 |
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| VladDrac | yeah | 18:34 |
| VladDrac | that's why I bought mine in the uk shop | 18:34 |
| VladDrac | (and it got shipped from marseille) | 18:34 |
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| amr | lol | 18:35 |
| trevarthan | crap. Xournal doesn't work in the new firmware. The cursor shows up, but nothing gets written to the canvas. | 18:36 |
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| geaaru | hi, how can i disable autoconnecting features when i try to use web browser (also for localhost)? | 18:38 |
| trevarthan | unique311: how's the theme coming? | 18:39 |
| geaaru | \s/features/feature | 18:39 |
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| Jaffa | geaaru: you need do define a dummy connection | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | trevarthan/unique311: a pretty Kagu theme? | 18:44 |
| amr | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B003-AA-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-770-9500-3155i-5500_W0QQitemZ260144764907QQihZ016QQcategoryZ20368QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 18:45 |
| amr | haha, how cool is that | 18:45 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: yeah. | 18:46 |
| trevarthan | I think unique is working on a dark theme. | 18:46 |
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| geaaru | yes, but without define a dummy connection it's possible? | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | trevarthan: cool, does Kagu have a "now playing" view with iPod-like prettiness? Something Canola does a lot better than UKMP IMHO. | 18:50 |
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| ||cw | amr: almost as cool as the tractable usb charger i got | 18:51 |
| Tili | how do I resolve this Error, the DISPLAY environment variable is not defined. | 18:51 |
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| Tili | af-sb-init.sh start | 18:51 |
| Tili | when i run that | 18:52 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: It has nowplaying, but I can't comment on the prettiness. Install it for yourself and find out. | 18:53 |
| trevarthan | I'm not a graphics artist. I'm a programmer. That's why we're looking for graphics artists from the community to step up and create new themes for Kagu. | 18:53 |
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| trevarthan | that reminds me... I really aught to update the screenshots. they aren't current... | 18:55 |
| whaq_ | what's the url, trevarthan? | 18:55 |
| trevarthan | kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 18:56 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu | 18:56 |
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| trevarthan | forget kagu | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot kagu | 18:56 |
| trevarthan | kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 18:56 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | well, kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 18:56 |
| trevarthan | goodmonkey | 18:57 |
| _Monkey | goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. | 18:57 |
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| philmostamps | hello | 19:00 |
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| whaq_ | ok, thanks | 19:07 |
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| amr | hi again | 19:11 |
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| pupnik | ~morning!~ | 19:17 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: afternoon! | 19:18 |
| trevarthan | It sucks that time is different all over the world. I'm not sure if I'll ever come to terms with that. | 19:18 |
| pupnik | i'm in CET :P | 19:21 |
| trevarthan | EDT | 19:21 |
| VladDrac | in TZ=VladDrac, it's always 5 o'clock | 19:23 |
| whaq_ | hello | 19:24 |
| whaq_ | we can overcome the timezone problem | 19:24 |
| whaq_ | if everyone can just pick a single continent to live in, and evacuate the rest | 19:24 |
| trevarthan | lol | 19:25 |
| celesteh | one time zone of one continent | 19:25 |
| trevarthan | I guess that means we all need to hop over to finland. | 19:25 |
| amr | come to the UK | 19:25 |
| amr | everyone else does :-( | 19:25 |
| trevarthan | I just want to go to some other continent some time. I can't seem to find a good excuse. :) My wife doesn't think that Robo-1 competitions are worthy. | 19:26 |
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| whaq_ | lol | 19:26 |
| whaq_ | the n800 and 770 shines the most during traveling | 19:27 |
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| Jaffa | trevarthan: you're using Motorola S9's IIRC? | 19:27 |
| trevarthan | unless you're going somewhere really, really rural. | 19:27 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: yeah | 19:27 |
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| nate12o6 | hey guys. i got a question for you. Has anyone been able to use bluetooth to connect to the treo 650 to use the internet? | 19:27 |
| whaq_ | hi nate12o6, would you like to get to know us better before trying to suck on our collective wisdom? | 19:28 |
| nate12o6 | not really | 19:28 |
| nate12o6 | ;P | 19:28 |
| whaq_ | lol | 19:28 |
| trevarthan | nate12o6: tried this? http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/22/first-treo-650-hack-enable-the-bluetooth-dial-up-networking/ | 19:28 |
| trevarthan | just did a quick search for "treo 650 dialup profile bluetooth" on google. | 19:29 |
| whaq_ | or on internettablettalk.com forum | 19:29 |
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| nate12o6 | well when i connect it tells me that the only service i have is dial networking. but how to i access it on the 650? | 19:29 |
| trevarthan | shouldn't have to. | 19:29 |
| nate12o6 | not on the 650. i ment on the 770 | 19:29 |
| amr | are there any good syncing programs that work with a mac? | 19:29 |
| trevarthan | ah | 19:29 |
| amr | so I can sync my calendar for example | 19:29 |
| trevarthan | nate12o6: put your 650 in pairing mode, then go to control panel -> phones? (not sure the exact link) and see if it finds it. | 19:30 |
| nate12o6 | it does. | 19:31 |
| nate12o6 | it connects just fine | 19:31 |
| whaq_ | amr, if not directly, you can sync (both the mac and) the tablet to gcal | 19:31 |
| nate12o6 | do i not need to do anything in connections or something? | 19:31 |
| amr | ah yes | 19:31 |
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| amr | good point | 19:31 |
| nate12o6 | to access internet | 19:31 |
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| trevarthan | nate12o6: no, it should just work after that. open a browser. | 19:31 |
| amr | can you do that natively on the 770? | 19:31 |
| amr | i forget if it has calendar features built in or not | 19:31 |
| nate12o6 | oh ok. | 19:31 |
| nate12o6 | thanks! | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | trevarthan: know a good place to buy 'em cheap? Or any comment on how good they are/if they're usable with glasses? | 19:31 |
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| trevarthan | nate12o6: it works? | 19:31 |
| whaq_ | there's a gcal syncing util for gpe.. ermi.. something | 19:32 |
| amr | lol | 19:32 |
| amr | thanks | 19:32 |
| nate12o6 | i am inside of a building right now. i will have to test at lunch | 19:32 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: no idea about cheap: I can comment plenty on usability though. No, they're *NOT* comfy with glasses. You can't lay down with them on. They pinch a bit. And the reception really sucks sometimes. | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | trevarthan: fair enough. | 19:33 |
| trevarthan | The manual says to keep the transmitter above your waist line. How the heck are you gonna do that with an n800? | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | Don't seem to be any which are any good for glasses-wearers :-( | 19:33 |
| celesteh | ok, i want to share how i got an offline flickr uploader going | 19:33 |
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| celesteh | extremely stupid: | 19:34 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: I put mine in my backpack over the weekend for a quick jog. That worked OK, but who wants to carry a backpack to run? | 19:34 |
| celesteh | i set up a special gmail account. i set the mail client to talk to it. i upload via email | 19:34 |
| pupnik | xcd | 19:34 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: I mainly use my s9 headset at my desk at work. Works great there. Plug in the n800, wireless freedom, lightweight. They're just not very good for running, IMO. | 19:34 |
| whaq_ | the s9 looks the best amongst other bt headsets though | 19:35 |
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| trevarthan | whaq_: I agree. | 19:35 |
| whaq_ | most of the others can double as princess-leia headgear during halloween | 19:35 |
| celesteh | lol | 19:35 |
| whaq_ | trevarthan: how long does the battery last? | 19:36 |
| trevarthan | I think the next gen of a2dp headsets will be great. :) Hopefully they all go the lightweight route. | 19:36 |
| trevarthan | whaq_: about 8 hours. | 19:36 |
| trevarthan | perfect for a work day | 19:36 |
| whaq_ | that's really decent | 19:36 |
| trevarthan | n800 dies way before the headset unless you plug it in. | 19:36 |
| trevarthan | honestly, if they improved the reception so it didn't cut out when I'm running, the s9 would be perfect. | 19:37 |
| whaq_ | can you sit comfortably w/ the thing on? | 19:37 |
| whaq_ | i mean, relax and rest your head back.. on trips and such (car, train, plane). | 19:38 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, i'm working | 19:39 |
| unique311 | trying to come up with some descent colors.. | 19:39 |
| unique311 | and oh i gave up on that whole transparency pink think.. | 19:40 |
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| Jaffa | unique311: any mockups? | 19:44 |
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| unique311 | trevarthan, its not a dark theme, considering this was my first shot at trying to theme, i wen with a light colors. all i did really was change some icons and trying to use color that works nice with gradient. | 19:48 |
| unique311 | the theme i will send you will not be the final. If you don't mind the way i went about doing it....I'll provide something better. | 19:49 |
| pupnik | i just realized clothes are 'themes' | 19:53 |
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| amr | hmm | 19:53 |
| amr | how often does the audio player 'hiccup' when playing music? | 19:54 |
| amr | ive read a few reviews and theyve all said that happened occasionally | 19:54 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 19:54 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 19:54 |
| amr | although they didnt say whether it was locally stored or streamed from the internet | 19:54 |
| Jaffa | amr: I think it happens when the "automatically look for wlans to connect to" timeout triggers. | 19:55 |
| unique311 | pupnik, i didn't think theme was hard..but i was wrong | 19:55 |
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| unique311 | jaffa..no mockup..not changing layout of things.. | 19:55 |
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| bldewolf | anyone have any luck with getting on LEAP wireless with a 770? | 19:56 |
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| k-s[WORK] | trevarthan, disq: I saw you guys released kagu | 20:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | any of you looked at EFL already? | 20:29 |
| pupnik | does RAM take much energy for embedded devices? | 20:29 |
| pupnik | dram? | 20:30 |
| derf | It's a non-trivial amount. | 20:31 |
| derf | It's certainly not the biggest drain on the battery. | 20:32 |
| pupnik | how much ram do you think would make sense for a 'N900'? | 20:32 |
| robtaylor | pupnik: same as N800, i'd guess | 20:33 |
| derf | I'd like twice as much. | 20:33 |
| derf | Battle for Wesnoth wouldn't run until I enabled the swap file. | 20:34 |
| robtaylor | well, its all a trade off on operating time/cost and power | 20:34 |
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| derf | Well, consider how much operating time you can save if you had enough RAM for a real file cache. | 20:34 |
| derf | Instead of having to pull off the compressed file system all the time. | 20:34 |
| pupnik | do you know if there are chipsets that can 'turn on' a second bank of RAM only when needed? | 20:34 |
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| derf | pupnik: Yes. I've heard of such things. | 20:35 |
| robtaylor | pupnik: it's possible | 20:35 |
| robtaylor | pupnik: the problem is doing it with linux | 20:35 |
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| robtaylor | defragging ram is slightly non-trivial | 20:35 |
| derf | Hotswapping RAM in Linux is new. | 20:35 |
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| derf | I believe there's current support (possibly not yet in mainline) for _adding_ RAM. | 20:35 |
| derf | Not so much removing it yet. | 20:35 |
| robtaylor | and its pretty designed for Big Iron | 20:35 |
| pupnik | would configuring it through swap / vm make any sense? | 20:36 |
| derf | Yeah, NUMA architectures and such. | 20:36 |
| derf | A ramdisk of swap? | 20:36 |
| pupnik | just a thought | 20:36 |
| derf | Well, how would the kernel address it? | 20:36 |
| pupnik | it would 'swap out' memory to ram, which is ugly i guess | 20:37 |
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| derf | Yeah, but I mean, how does it write the page? | 20:37 |
| derf | You still have to have a kernel piece that knows how to do that. | 20:38 |
| derf | Possibly simpler than defragging RAM, but the latter I know someone is already working on. | 20:38 |
| trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: just got back from lunch. | 20:38 |
| pupnik | ah. well treating it as a filesystem already works | 20:38 |
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| trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: ok. I think disq took a look at edje a few days ago. Same thing, right? | 20:40 |
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| vivijim | Hi all, is there any difference between create a rootfs image to n800 and n770? I'm using this procedure: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/ without success. | 20:40 |
| pupnik | well 256MB would be really nice. puts the device in a class where a lot more desktop style apps have breathing room | 20:41 |
| Ryback_ | vivijim: what is the problem you're experiencing? | 20:41 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: I agree. | 20:41 |
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| pupnik | and considering how bloated webpages are now | 20:41 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: no kidding. I run out of ram just browsing to a few sites. :) | 20:41 |
| vivijim | Ryback_: This tutorial is for n770 but I'm trying to generate a jffs2 image to n800. I'm mounting the original image and creating the rootfs image again but I got a kernel panic | 20:42 |
| MobileSim | So, somehow while insanely drunk last night, I turned on a huge keyboard. Now that I'm sober again, I seemingly can't. Anyone know how to do it? | 20:42 |
| vivijim | Starting init | 20:43 |
| vivijim | exec: 423: /usr/sbin/chroot: not found | 20:43 |
| vivijim | [ 10.641571] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! | 20:43 |
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| Ryback_ | vivijim: I think /usr/sbin/chroot should be in the initfs. just a sec. | 20:43 |
| vivijim | Ryback_: I believe so, but I'm not changing the initfs | 20:44 |
| pupnik | MobileSim: try hitting an input field with your finger instead of the stylus? | 20:44 |
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| MobileSim | Oh, thanks. | 20:46 |
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| MobileSim | Guess that explains how I activated it when I did; I normally use my thumbnail for that. | 20:50 |
| pupnik | same here :) this explains also how it happened when drunk :P | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | while :; do :; done & | 21:00 |
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| maddler | evening all | 21:07 |
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| trevarthan | I'm not in your timezone maddler. It's afternoon here. | 21:12 |
| trevarthan | This is a serious problem. I motion that we form a committee to discuss inter-timezone greetings. | 21:14 |
| Robot101 | there's a long established convention of following the timezone of the person who initiates the greeting | 21:14 |
| Robot101 | someone who arrives and says good morning to people should be greeted with good morning, and when they leave and wish people good night they should be wished good night :) | 21:15 |
| Robot101 | maddler: evening :) | 21:15 |
| trevarthan | that's crap. I say everyone should move to the GMT timezone. | 21:16 |
| Robot101 | denied. | 21:16 |
| maddler | hahahaha... Swatch some years ago tried with a so called "internet time" crap... | 21:16 |
| * trevarthan goes back to plotting world domination | 21:16 | |
| koen | ~ugt | 21:16 |
| infobot | somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 21:16 |
| maddler | koen: nice... :D | 21:17 |
| Robot101 | I also have a concept of universal lunch time | 21:17 |
| Robot101 | until the lunchee has had lunch, it's morning | 21:17 |
| Robot101 | whatever the local time is :) | 21:17 |
| maddler | brb | 21:18 |
| Robot101 | there probably needs to be a rider that if local time is PM and the lunchee fails to lunch by about 4-5pm, local afternoon and evening should be observed to avoid disrupting dinner | 21:18 |
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| disq | any idea on implementing python interface properties in python? found how to do methods no info on properties | 21:24 |
| disq | by implementing i mean "exporting" | 21:25 |
| amr | excellent | 21:25 |
| amr | god must really not want me to get my 770 | 21:26 |
| amr | there are postal strikes | 21:26 |
| bldewolf | has anyone tried using wpa_supplicant on a 770? | 21:27 |
| lmoura | disq, try http://www.sicem.biz/personal/lgs/docs/gobject-python/gobject-tutorial.html | 21:28 |
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| disq | thanks | 21:29 |
| Blacksitox | how download http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:30 |
| Blacksitox | wget | 21:30 |
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| trevarthan | I like UGT. Very smart. | 21:33 |
| Vertoo | pupnik, you there? | 21:34 |
| pupnik | yes | 21:34 |
| Vertoo | you mentioned something earlier one day about zelda games emulated on the 800? | 21:35 |
| pupnik | you can download xmaeme and fceu to play them | 21:35 |
| pupnik | and if you see Tak, thank him for porting them | 21:36 |
| Vertoo | where can i get the games though? arent those just the emulators? | 21:36 |
| trevarthan | fceu doesn't work so well on the n800. At least in the previous firmware. | 21:36 |
| gla55 | you can find the roms with google. | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | The OSD buttons are all messed up. | 21:37 |
| pupnik | do the buttons flicker? | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | yeah. The whole screen shakes. I was about to seizures. | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | s/to/to have/ | 21:37 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: yeah. The whole screen shakes. I was about to have seizures. | 21:37 |
| pupnik | oh noes. there may be Xsp fixes that break some of the old xsp hacks | 21:38 |
| Vertoo | so use the other one? | 21:38 |
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| pupnik | hold a minute - i have to update a file then i would like to know if the onscreen buttons work with new n800 firmware please | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | gimme a sec. I'll install it and check. | 21:39 |
| Vertoo | so i dont need a bt kb to play these do i? | 21:39 |
| trevarthan | not fceu, no | 21:39 |
| trevarthan | osd buttons | 21:39 |
| _Monkey | osd buttons are all messed up. | 21:39 |
| trevarthan | forget osd buttons | 21:40 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot osd buttons | 21:40 |
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| Vertoo | how big are the roms usually? any special format or do .rom files work? | 21:43 |
| trevarthan | Bad form, rating your own software. :) | 21:45 |
| trevarthan | I think .zip and .gz and .smc are supported. | 21:45 |
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| trevarthan | not sure though | 21:45 |
| Vertoo | they are just nes? how about a n64 emu, anyone get that yet? | 21:46 |
| trevarthan | no. | 21:46 |
| trevarthan | just nes | 21:46 |
| trevarthan | pupnik has snes9x working too, but that requires a kb, and sound doesn't work yet. and it's slow. | 21:47 |
| trevarthan | n64 would require someone with some serious skillz as the n800 doesn't have a gpu driver. | 21:47 |
| trevarthan | probably not possible. n64 emu barely works on my 2.93ghz at home. :) | 21:48 |
| amr | lol | 21:48 |
| amr | what about a megadrive? | 21:48 |
| amr | i would love to play sonic | 21:48 |
| pupnik | if anyone wants to work on emus i can help get you started | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: yeah, fceu is still messed up in new firmware. | 21:50 |
| trevarthan | load and save show up, but none of the other buttons do. | 21:51 |
| pupnik | ok i have an xsp test - it's just doing soemthing strange here - need a few minutes to patch it up | 21:51 |
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| bldewolf | do you guys do dev work on the device itself or do you have a cross-compiling environment set up? | 21:52 |
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| derf | Cross-compiling. | 21:52 |
| trevarthan | I do python work on my n800. for everything else I use scratchbox (cross compiler) | 21:52 |
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| trevarthan | unique311: how's the theme coming? | 21:54 |
| unique311 | its coming.. | 21:54 |
| unique311 | need to try it out on gimp... | 21:55 |
| unique311 | thought i had the whole pink pixel down. I don't.. | 21:55 |
| trevarthan | hey man, if you continue having troubles, there are probably some genuine bugs in there. Feel free to give us bits and pieces of what you have and we can try to fix any bugs you run into. | 21:55 |
| trevarthan | no need to hand us a finished product. we can do it a bit at a time. | 21:56 |
| unique311 | i have thisi can email you the one i did in photoshop. | 21:56 |
| unique311 | well i think there is.. | 21:56 |
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| unique311 | is it possible in kagu-scanner py to call | 21:56 |
| unique311 | hold on | 21:57 |
| unique311 | the CREATE TABLE with rounded edges... | 21:57 |
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| trevarthan | :) no, it's just taking rectangle coords. you'll need to use transparency to do rounded edges. | 21:58 |
| unique311 | i i know.. | 21:58 |
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| unique311 | the transpancy is not working for me. | 21:58 |
| unique311 | ok | 21:59 |
| unique311 | i will send you 2 themes. | 21:59 |
| trevarthan | well, show us what you've got and we'll see if we can work it out. | 21:59 |
| unique311 | 1 with slight modifications.with the pink issues im having.. | 21:59 |
| trevarthan | send the sprites.png, as well as the output of `svn diff` on the command line (gives us any changes to kagu-scanner.py) | 21:59 |
| unique311 | and the other with how im trying to fix it. | 21:59 |
| unique311 | i didn't make any changes to kagu-scanner | 22:00 |
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| trevarthan | k. that makes it easy then. just send the sprites.png | 22:00 |
| unique311 | k | 22:00 |
| unique311 | 22:00 | |
| trevarthan | jesse@guardiani.us for me | 22:00 |
| trevarthan | I'll check it into SVN and then disq can check it out too. | 22:00 |
| unique311 | not sure you should use the one im sending you.. | 22:01 |
| trevarthan | we won't use it unless you're happy with it. | 22:02 |
| unique311 | check out the psd i'm sending you, and the png..tell me how i can go about fixing it | 22:02 |
| trevarthan | Does Illustrator make .psd files? | 22:03 |
| trevarthan | or did you decide to go with photoshop instead? | 22:03 |
| unique311 | yes.... | 22:03 |
| pupnik | ok n800 owners, i would be happy to know if this game runs on new n800 firmware. http://pupnik.de/aliens-bin-0.0.2.tgz | 22:03 |
| unique311 | i went with illustrator.. | 22:03 |
| unique311 | then went into photoshop for blending options. | 22:04 |
| pupnik | tar xzf aliens-bin-0.0.2.tgz && cd aliens-0.0.2 && ./aliens .. the fullscreen button (upper left) should turn on/off pixel-doubling. You shouldn't see any visual errors or flickering. | 22:05 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: seems to work nicely | 22:07 |
| trevarthan | yeah, looks good | 22:07 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, if i can get your gimp file, that would be helpful. | 22:09 |
| pupnik | ok thanks, then the problem is in fceu | 22:09 |
| trevarthan | unique311: I kick it old school man. I edit it in place. When I'm done, I merge down and that's that. I used to draw things pixel by pixel. :) | 22:10 |
| unique311 | you didn't keep the file with layers | 22:10 |
| unique311 | ? | 22:10 |
| trevarthan | nope. much of it was stolen from UKMP, which used a .psd file. I don't own photoshop, so that wasn't much good to me. | 22:11 |
| trevarthan | I only pulled two images from external sources. The exit and back buttons. Everything else is just crappy gradient rectangles. | 22:11 |
| trevarthan | you want the url to the back/exit buttons? | 22:12 |
| unique311 | no | 22:12 |
| unique311 | i modified the ones in the png slightly to go with the color.. | 22:12 |
| pupnik | new gimp should be able to load .psg files btw | 22:12 |
| trevarthan | BTW, I'd *prefer* that any theme developers use Gimp and inkscape, not photoshop. But I'll take what I can get. | 22:13 |
| pupnik | *.psd | 22:13 |
| trevarthan | unique311: here is where I got the back/exit buttons from: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery | 22:14 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: I didn't realize that. I'll have to try that next time. | 22:15 |
| pupnik | needs 2.3 branch to work well - 2.3.19 recommended | 22:15 |
| unique311 | send | 22:16 |
| unique311 | sent | 22:16 |
| pupnik | debian sid is currently at 2.2.17 from the stable branch | 22:16 |
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| unique311 | going to try and import your orignal to gimp.. | 22:16 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: ah. still running 2.2.12. I'll upgrade. | 22:16 |
| unique311 | and see if i get a different result. | 22:16 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, is the UKMP using the same pink pixel transparency effect you using? | 22:19 |
| trevarthan | no, UKMP uses black. I prefer pink as it's easier to identify. | 22:20 |
| unique311 | take a look at my psd...and tell me whe i'm going wrong... | 22:21 |
| unique311 | going to install gimp..for windows..(unique311 ducks) | 22:22 |
| pupnik | 2.2.17 should handle psd import as long as layer names are short | 22:22 |
| pupnik | do not use psd export though - use xcf | 22:23 |
| pupnik | unique311: it took me months to get rid of my photoshop habits and get friendly with gimp | 22:23 |
| pupnik | many months... it was painful | 22:23 |
| unique311 | i don't want to get rid of my photoshop habits. | 22:23 |
| unique311 | photoshop is actually good to me. | 22:24 |
| pupnik | i think someone finally did a photoshop-like front end to gimp | 22:24 |
| pupnik | oh yeah i love it. but my only legal copy is photoshop 5.0 LE | 22:24 |
| trevarthan | unique311: only problem I see is the back button doesn't have any transparency. | 22:25 |
| unique311 | only did it that way | 22:25 |
| unique311 | because the pink wasn't woking out. | 22:25 |
| trevarthan | looks like the selected song background has accidental transparency at the top of the gradient. | 22:25 |
| unique311 | it would pixelate the whole back image with pink | 22:26 |
| unique311 | looked real bad. | 22:26 |
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| unique311 | its bad. | 22:26 |
| trevarthan | sounds like you're trying to fill the pink color using antialiasing. you can't do that. You have to use a single pixel color. Gradients of pink won't work. | 22:27 |
| unique311 | the select song background was an error..i notice it when i tried in on the device. | 22:27 |
| unique311 | i'll try it on gimp..see if the outcome is different with pink. | 22:28 |
| trevarthan | :) progress bar colors look a little funny too. | 22:29 |
| trevarthan | Overall, I like it though. | 22:29 |
| unique311 | i was think it was going to be so simple as to just lay down layers..and make it happen. | 22:29 |
| unique311 | but i'm not going to give up.. | 22:29 |
| unique311 | its a nice challenge. | 22:29 |
| unique311 | my fist time | 22:29 |
| unique311 | first* | 22:29 |
| trevarthan | It's not that difficult. I think you're just not really using photoshop correctly for the job. Unfortunately, I can't give any advice. If you use gimp instead, I can help. | 22:30 |
| unique311 | installing gimp now. | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | What I'd really like to do is get you to commit to helping us do additional things with the theme, like button down images, images for the OK button, etc... | 22:31 |
| trevarthan | But, so long as we've got the PSD file I'm sure we can muddle through if you lose interest. :) | 22:32 |
| unique311 | i'm not.. | 22:32 |
| trevarthan | well, thanks for the work so far. I think it looks better than the original. The fonts pop a lot more, in particular. I really like that. | 22:33 |
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| erstazi | trevarthan, can I see the psd? I am a web dev, I can help possibly | 22:34 |
| unique311 | don't know how the bluetooth looks on the device.. | 22:34 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, there ya go..more interest in it already. | 22:35 |
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| trevarthan | erstazi: maybe you and unique311 should get together? It's his psd. I could mail it to you, or he could.... | 22:42 |
| unique311 | send it to him | 22:43 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: have you installed kagu yet? | 22:43 |
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| erstazi | trevarthan, I can tonight | 22:43 |
| unique311 | if he can figure out that pink pixel thing i'll be more than happy | 22:43 |
| erstazi | what hex do you need it to match? | 22:44 |
| trevarthan | yeah. probably won't do much good playing with the psd until you've run kagu and know what to expect. | 22:44 |
| erstazi | trevarthan, of course, but it never hurts | 22:44 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: colorkey (aka transparency pixel) is pulled from the rightmost bottom pixel. | 22:44 |
| unique311 | the right most bottom pixel which is pink right. | 22:45 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: if you can tell unique311 how to do a bucket color fill without antialiasing (or a layer without antialiasing), that would probably solve his problem. | 22:46 |
| trevarthan | unique311: no, if the right most bottom pixel is pink, then the colorkey is pink. if it's blue, then the colorkey is blue, etc... | 22:46 |
| trevarthan | on the default theme, it's pink. | 22:46 |
| trevarthan | on the one you sent me, unique311, I think it's white. | 22:47 |
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| unique311 | it is. | 22:47 |
| unique311 | erstazi whats your email address. | 22:48 |
| erstazi | unique311, let me pm you for this, this channel is logged, don't like spam filling up my spam folder... | 22:48 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: default theme sprites.png is here, BTW: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/data/sprites.png | 22:48 |
| unique311 | ok, google just locked down my email account. wtf | 22:49 |
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| zyxulnaga | anyone knows of an embedded device with a wireless chipset that supports packet injection? | 22:50 |
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| trevarthan | unique311: erstazi: eventually I want to do a layout table too, so you guys can move buttons around on the screen to your heart's content. But it'll be a little while before I get around to that, I think. | 22:55 |
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| trevarthan | I plan to do a portrait mode too, so the layout functionality will play into that. | 22:56 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:56 |
| erstazi | trevarthan, did you port keru? | 22:56 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 22:56 |
| _Monkey | kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 22:56 |
| trevarthan | wrote it from scratch. | 22:56 |
| trevarthan | disq helped a lot too. | 22:56 |
| unique311 | sent erstazi | 22:58 |
| unique311 | k, gimp up and running...round 2 with png... | 22:58 |
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| erstazi | wow thats light weight, .17kb | 23:04 |
| erstazi | for the install | 23:05 |
| amr | inertial scrolling? | 23:07 |
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| roope | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7294 does somebody understand that question. | 23:07 |
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| trevarthan | amr: it means that you drag the list with your finger and it moves. If you flick it, it keeps spinning until it runs out of inertia. | 23:08 |
| amr | oh sweet | 23:08 |
| amr | like what the iphone does now | 23:09 |
| trevarthan | maybe. dunno, never used one | 23:09 |
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| roope | trevarthan: what do you think of ukmp? | 23:09 |
| trevarthan | I was trying to think of some way to make scrolling easy without implementing an on-screen ipod finger wheel and get sued. :) | 23:09 |
| amr | lol | 23:09 |
| amr | its pretty cool | 23:10 |
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| amr | ill have to install it when i get my 770 | 23:10 |
| amr | if the postal service every goes off strike :( | 23:10 |
| trevarthan | roope: kagu is a knock off of ukmp's look and feel (but completely different under the hood), so I guess you could say I was inspired by it. | 23:10 |
| roope | Yeah. I cannot help but to notice the similarities, that's all .:) | 23:10 |
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| trevarthan | it also has elements of canola's ui thrown in, though very little (the back button comes to mind) | 23:11 |
| roope | Do you have any further plans? New views or functionalities coming up? | 23:11 |
| _Handful_ | =) | 23:11 |
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| _Handful_ | the back button rocks =) (lol) | 23:11 |
| amr | i have no idea what either of them are | 23:11 |
| trevarthan | roope: tons. check the Things To Do (TTD) list here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/TTD | 23:11 |
| _Handful_ | I really like because it's python =) | 23:12 |
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| disq | _Handful_: does canola currently implement com.osso.Playback(.Manager) support? | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | Also, the project is fully open to new developers. All you have to do is prove to me that you're not an idiot (one patch is usually enough) and I'll give you full commit access and a license to work on whatever you'd like. (so long as you're not an idiot) :) | 23:12 |
| roope | Looks nice. | 23:13 |
| roope | The todolist, that is. | 23:13 |
| _Handful_ | roope : about that question... the guy wants to boot symbian on top of maemo =) it's quite funny the idea... | 23:13 |
| disq | trevarthan: heh, that idiot bit is inspired by linus' git talk isn't it :) | 23:13 |
| trevarthan | roope: I'm sort of in the process of moving that list over to Trac's Ticket/Milestone system. | 23:13 |
| _Handful_ | trevarthan: good strategy =) | 23:13 |
| roope | I'm quite baffled by it. Does he mean that could symbian run on the n800 hardware. | 23:13 |
| roope | "Porting" symbian to "n800" is kind of wt.f | 23:13 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah. it is. he thinks a lot like I do, surprisingly. | 23:14 |
| _Handful_ | I think he wanted something like parallells desktop | 23:14 |
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| _Handful_ | or vmware =) | 23:14 |
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| gla55 | wtf | 23:14 |
| _Handful_ | to be able to run both ... that's quite insane =) I know we are advancing in mobile.. but this is far away =) | 23:14 |
| roope | Why not just buy a symbian device. | 23:16 |
| _Handful_ | yeah.. lot easier =) | 23:16 |
| whaq_ | I'd settle for JRE... | 23:16 |
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| trevarthan | disq: I used to work with the TMDA developer a lot. Fellow named Jason Maastaler, I think. He used to refer to himself as a benevolent dictator of the project. I asked him to describe what that meant once, and he basically said the same thing. He's got veto power, but never uses it. Linus obviously has that down to a science. And I like the way git allows an individual developer to do his own thing regardless of whether or not Linus th | 23:17 |
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| disq | uh, 255 char limit | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | ah, frick | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | I asked him to describe what that meant once, and he basically said the same thing. He's got veto power, but never uses it. | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | Linus obviously has that down to a science. And I like the way git allows an individual developer to do his own thing regardless of whether or not Linus thinks he's an idiot. | 23:18 |
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| trevarthan | That's important. Linus is wrong sometimes, I'm sure. | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | wish it warned me about that. | 23:19 |
| trevarthan | I'm using pidgin. Not the best IRC client ever... | 23:19 |
| disq | i wonder if it's the server's limitation or client's. probably clients | 23:19 |
| Fatal | server | 23:19 |
| Fatal | some clients compensate | 23:20 |
| Fatal | some clients just lets the user go on and on without warning them they're breaking the limit | 23:20 |
| amr | server | 23:21 |
| Fatal | what's the command to make the server relist its capabilites/limits etc | 23:22 |
| amr | can i get irssi on the 770? | 23:23 |
| disq | i think /cabap | 23:24 |
| amr | if not ill just ssh into my box and leave it running in a screen | 23:24 |
| disq | erm no /cabap is for registering client capabilities (like /capab identify) | 23:24 |
| pupnik | irssi is available | 23:24 |
| amr | sweet | 23:25 |
| amr | someone program me a 'same game' clone :p | 23:25 |
| pupnik | is that like 'memory'? | 23:25 |
| amr | i dont think so | 23:26 |
| amr | is memory the game where you have to find pairs of things | 23:26 |
| pupnik | yes | 23:26 |
| amr | yeah this is different | 23:26 |
| amr | let me see if i can find what i mean | 23:26 |
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| pupnik | Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection for maemo is excellent | 23:27 |
| _Handful_ | I would like to port something like the incredible machine + lost vikings + marsupilami + krusty fun house =) | 23:28 |
| pupnik | sgt-puzzles http://maemo-hackers.org/sgt-puzzles.install | 23:29 |
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| amr | http://www.oopixel.com/samegame/ | 23:30 |
| amr | thats it | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | ty amr | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | amr, you win by clearing the field and lose if you are left with single blocks remaining in the field? | 23:32 |
| amr | yes | 23:32 |
| amr | and then extra colours are brought in at each new level | 23:33 |
| amr | but some games dont add the extra levels | 23:33 |
| amr | with extras such as, the more blocks you clear at one time | 23:33 |
| amr | so if you get a massive group of reds say | 23:33 |
| amr | you get more points | 23:33 |
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| trevarthan | amr: 5600, first try. I suck, eh? | 23:34 |
| amr | i havent been looking at the scores, oops | 23:35 |
| pupnik | i didn't clear the first level first try | 23:35 |
| trevarthan | I got lucky, I think. | 23:35 |
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| pupnik | amr: got you covered: http://pupnik.de/gtkboard_0.11pre0-5_armel.deb | 23:37 |
| pupnik | it needs some tweaking for the 770/N800 screen though | 23:38 |
| trevarthan | pupnik should change his name to gamepimp | 23:39 |
| pupnik | well that was literally a 2 minute port | 23:39 |
| pupnik | i timed it :P | 23:39 |
| pupnik | s/port/compile | 23:40 |
| trevarthan | no .desktop file yet? | 23:40 |
| pupnik | needs some hildonisation - the menu takes up too much real estate | 23:40 |
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| pupnik | if nobody does it, i'll do it when i start learning about hildon | 23:41 |
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| trevarthan | what's somegame called in the menu? | 23:41 |
| pupnik | it's under 'arcade' | 23:42 |
| trevarthan | yeah, inplayable cause no fullscreen. | 23:42 |
| trevarthan | s/inplayable/unplayable/ | 23:43 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: yeah, unplayable cause no fullscreen. | 23:43 |
| trevarthan | port it! That's cool! | 23:43 |
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| trevarthan | I wonder what they use for the drawing? wonder if I could use the same thing to make a non-pygame version of kagu... | 23:44 |
| pupnik | the actual game window for samegame is 410 pixels on my PC | 23:45 |
| trevarthan | I don't like how kagu hogs CPU. | 23:45 |
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| disq | gah. pymaemo is missing dbus.gobject_service | 23:49 |
| trevarthan | what did you want that for again? | 23:50 |
| disq | osso.playback.manager thingy marc-andre mentioned | 23:50 |
| trevarthan | for the headset button? | 23:50 |
| disq | each player has to implement an interface to be managed by osso-hss-control | 23:51 |
| disq | no for better system integration (with voip calls etc) | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | ah | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | was it gobject, or qobject? I thought I saw qobject mentioned recently... | 23:52 |
| disq | anyway it's ok if we don't implement it since we're using ossomediaserver as the player | 23:52 |
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| disq | gobject, as in glib | 23:52 |
| trevarthan | I keep missing semi-colons and forgetting brackets in PHP since I've been doing so much python lately. driving me nuts. | 23:53 |
| disq | i keep putting semicolons in python code and then noticing them after i type | 23:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: as you can only play 1 media file at a given time, this osso.playback.manager would be useless with osso media engine, right ? | 23:54 |
| trevarthan | yeah, you committed some too. python didn't seem to care. | 23:54 |
| disq | MoRpHeUz: don't ask me :) not sure | 23:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: hehe, same here...I'm trying to figure out this =) | 23:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: it looks like it's something "for the future" hehe... | 23:56 |
| trevarthan | disq: I wonder if we could make a scroll widget in GTK, then rewrite kagu to use GTK? | 23:56 |
| trevarthan | I wonder if it would be fast enough. I'd kill for a real event driven API. :) | 23:56 |
| disq | trevarthan: we'd have to test that | 23:56 |
| disq | i'd kill for actual widgets | 23:57 |
| trevarthan | yeah... me too | 23:57 |
| trevarthan | I really hate abusing a game api to do an application. :) | 23:57 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: there is already a scroll widget with inertia in GTK.. | 23:58 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 23:58 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: really? got an example, link, docs, anything? | 23:58 |
| disq | MoRpHeUz: tell us more | 23:58 |
| trevarthan | I'll rewrite the whole damn thing if it works. :) | 23:58 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan, disq: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/kinetic-scrolling-on-the-neo1973 | 23:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan, disq: http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/07/yet-another-post-on-kinetic-scrolling.html | 23:59 |
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