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| NeoStrider | what can be done with that? | 00:00 |
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| pupnik | yes | 00:07 |
| pupnik | lardman was looking into it | 00:09 |
| pupnik | for example, i had a program to play back FM midi music, on my motorola 56k dsp back in 1991 | 00:09 |
| pupnik | i think the DSP in the 770 must be more powerful and flexible than the 56k | 00:10 |
| NeoStrider | sure...we could do some cool games with it | 00:10 |
| pupnik | i think it could emulate the yamaha OPL3 fm chip and the sound blaster DSP | 00:10 |
| NeoStrider | I would love to have som effects like tempest 2000 | 00:10 |
| pupnik | ? | 00:10 |
| NeoStrider | you dont know it? | 00:10 |
| NeoStrider | do this: | 00:11 |
| NeoStrider | download tempest for MAME | 00:11 |
| NeoStrider | take some LSD | 00:11 |
| pupnik | i see pictures | 00:11 |
| NeoStrider | turn on your lava lamp | 00:11 |
| NeoStrider | and go play it | 00:11 |
| NeoStrider | =-D | 00:11 |
| pupnik | watching youtube vids | 00:12 |
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| pupnik | i don't think the dsp is useful for graphics, maybe i am wrong? | 00:14 |
| NeoStrider | maybe I just understood what a DSP is good for | 00:14 |
| NeoStrider | s/just/just didnt/ | 00:14 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: maybe I just didnt understood what a DSP is good for | 00:14 |
| NeoStrider | s/didnt/dont | 00:15 |
| NeoStrider | s/didnt/dont/ | 00:15 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: s/dont/dont | 00:15 |
| NeoStrider | ¬¬ | 00:15 |
| pupnik | that reminds me to try kumppa on the 770 | 00:15 |
| NeoStrider | whats that? | 00:16 |
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| nomis | NeoStrider: a cool screensaver. | 00:17 |
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| pupnik | probably the first to emulate 'video feedback' | 00:17 |
| NeoStrider | whats video feedback? | 00:18 |
| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCK5GKRohyE | 00:19 |
| pupnik | a video camera plus a mirror pointed at a tv | 00:20 |
| pupnik | or no mirror | 00:20 |
| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=If0-77J-bS4 this is more typical video feedback | 00:21 |
| pupnik | wow they get some nice effects | 00:22 |
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| ||cw | yeah that's fun to do | 00:30 |
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| NeoStrider | ahhh | 00:34 |
| NeoStrider | THIS IS SPARTA! | 00:35 |
| NeoStrider | s/SPARTA/video feedback/ | 00:35 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: THIS IS video feedback! | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | best i ever saw was done with an analog camera, a mirror and a commodore analog monitor | 00:38 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: good to see you've converted to git :) | 00:39 |
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| zeenix | robtaylor: thanks but wouldn't make much of a difference if there are only two devels and only one of them converts to git :( | 00:43 |
| robtaylor | well actually its not too bad | 00:49 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: btw! you said you might be interested in gupnp when it's ready and i think it's ready now :) | 00:50 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: heh, well, needs some control points, i think ;) | 00:50 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: its not to bad using git-wvn, its not too different to say, how things are done with the hal repo | 00:51 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: oh! you are only interested in UPnP apps, not frameworks? | 00:51 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: yep, prely pragmatic on the upnp front ;) | 00:51 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: hmm.. i was hoping i can now persuade you to work with me on gupnp-av :) | 00:52 |
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| robtaylor | zeenix: heh, well i think i've got enough goding projects on at the moment, i'm afraid | 00:52 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: you are only interested in specific control points or also the generic one i am writing now? | 00:55 |
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| disq | I can't add applications to maemo.org/downloads? | 01:08 |
| pupnik | there should be a page describing how to get apps included | 01:08 |
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| disq | i could do it before | 01:09 |
| disq | already have three apps there | 01:09 |
| pupnik | oh, something wrong with maemo.org then? | 01:11 |
| pupnik | (just asking0 | 01:12 |
| disq | a config problem probably. the floating menu to edit pages doesn't open | 01:12 |
| disq | oh. ok i found it | 01:13 |
| disq | had to select a category first | 01:13 |
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| celesteh | howdy | 01:22 |
| celesteh | anybody here try running glimmr on their tablet? http://glimmr.sourceforge.net/ | 01:22 |
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| pupnik | looks like a nice app for n800 | 01:32 |
| pupnik | share SD card with camera and upload photos on-the-go | 01:32 |
| celesteh | yeah that was my idea | 01:33 |
| pupnik | does glimmr do auto-resizing? | 01:33 |
| celesteh | i don't know. i haven't tried downloading it yet | 01:33 |
| celesteh | i was trying to figure out if i wanted to mess with it or write some python scripts | 01:33 |
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| celesteh | i want something where I can write descriptions, titles and tags and then the application will save the metadata and wait patiently for an internet connection | 01:34 |
| celesteh | i'm on os x, so my ability to test stuff or do development is not so great :( | 01:35 |
| disq | Kagu media player finally released! | 01:36 |
| disq | https://garage.maemo.org/project/kagu (auto install link there) | 01:36 |
| pupnik | congrats | 01:38 |
| pupnik | i will definitely be trying out these things when i get testing it2007 on mmc | 01:38 |
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| disq | works on it2006 too | 01:40 |
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| pupnik | wow booting from mmc is nice | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | howto? | 01:51 |
| _Monkey | i heard howto was the maemo community HowTo Wiki - http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo | 01:51 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, is there any speed advantages booting from mmc? | 01:59 |
| erstazi | s/is there/are there/g | 01:59 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: pupnik, are there any speed advantages booting from mmc? | 01:59 |
| erstazi | thank you infobot | 02:00 |
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| Sulis | heh, infobot translates mistakes | 02:06 |
| Sulis | s/mistakes/corrections/g | 02:07 |
| infobot | Sulis meant: heh, infobot translates corrections | 02:07 |
| Sulis | :D | 02:07 |
| NeoStrider | infobot is boring | 02:07 |
| NeoStrider | s/boring/very useful/ | 02:07 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: infobot is very useful | 02:07 |
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| Sulis | hehe | 02:07 |
| pupnik | apparently you can connect usb to pc while booted off mmc | 02:08 |
| pupnik | i'm just catching up with some things :) | 02:09 |
| nomis | pupnik: to access the data on the card? That indeed should be impossible. | 02:09 |
| pupnik | http://www.wahlau.org/fun_with_n800_booting_n800_internet_tablet_from_sd_card#2 | 02:10 |
| pupnik | check bottom of page | 02:10 |
| pupnik | i haven't tried it | 02:10 |
| nomis | if you boot off sd-card the filesystem on it is mounted, which means it shouldnt be mounted a second time via USB. | 02:11 |
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| pupnik | well on linux i can mount /dev/sda2 and not mount /dev/sda1 | 02:12 |
| pupnik | perhaps you can boot off mmcblk0p2 and still mount mmcblk0p1 from pc? | 02:13 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik, checkout mtab and fstab files | 02:19 |
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| pupnik | yes they're there | 02:22 |
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| unique311 | hangovers suck | 02:26 |
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| NeoStrider | fellows, whats the name of that rapidshare clone you guys use? | 02:34 |
| pupnik | divshare.com | 02:35 |
| pupnik | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php <- funny educational video. How to post (and not to post) to forums. (flash) | 02:37 |
| NeoStrider | take a look , guys: | 02:39 |
| NeoStrider | http://www.divshare.com/download/1406616-ca5 | 02:39 |
| NeoStrider | the radar | 02:39 |
| _Monkey | the radar is fine with that, as long as I am in charge! | 02:39 |
| NeoStrider | its a the right place? | 02:39 |
| NeoStrider | or should I place it somewhere else? | 02:39 |
| pupnik | what is it | 02:39 |
| NeoStrider | the "Radar" | 02:40 |
| NeoStrider | it shows the track state | 02:40 |
| pupnik | notice when i paste a url, i describe what it is about | 02:40 |
| NeoStrider | sorry | 02:40 |
| pupnik | what track? | 02:40 |
| NeoStrider | its a screenshot | 02:40 |
| pupnik | hmm ok | 02:40 |
| NeoStrider | the radar (...) | 02:41 |
| NeoStrider | <NeoStrider> its a the right place? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | ahh cool! | 02:41 |
| NeoStrider | the radar, is in the right place? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | it brings up the image without downloading | 02:41 |
| NeoStrider | yeah, its better this way | 02:41 |
| pupnik | yes that's where it is most easily seen i think | 02:41 |
| NeoStrider | it may cover the trails in 3D | 02:41 |
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| NeoStrider | but lots of people wont play looking for the 3D , but for the 2D | 02:42 |
| pupnik | then how about the top? | 02:42 |
| pupnik | it would not obscure trails there | 02:42 |
| NeoStrider | I got some idea of drawing a small cockpit...I dont know...I want you guys to tell me what will look better | 02:42 |
| NeoStrider | (the trails on the 2D has some fade efect too ;-) ) | 02:43 |
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| pupnik | dd bs=1M if=/dev/mmcblk0p2 | gzip > /media/mmc1/images/IT2006_2.2_Working.gz | 02:52 |
| pupnik | yaay i love backups | 02:52 |
| pupnik | i hope mmc is smart enough to return nulls for the unused sectors | 02:55 |
| pupnik | otherwise i'll be compressing a lot of junk left over from the old data :/ | 02:56 |
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| unique311 | pupnik....psx emulator works? | 02:59 |
| pupnik | the program starts up just fine! | 03:00 |
| pupnik | doesn't run any psx games though :P | 03:00 |
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| unique311 | reason behind that? | 03:00 |
| pupnik | i never tried compiling the plugin for the graphics | 03:01 |
| unique311 | disq, kagu won't display my billboard top 100 songs | 03:01 |
| pupnik | we'd need to find a software renderer that doesn't use opengl | 03:01 |
| pupnik | i think there is one out there | 03:01 |
| disq | unique311: billboard top 100 songs? | 03:01 |
| unique311 | i'll look | 03:02 |
| disq | maybe there's no album tag | 03:02 |
| unique311 | hmm | 03:02 |
| unique311 | maybe | 03:03 |
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| unique311 | shouldn't it pick up the songs on the mmc. | 03:04 |
| disq | it should. | 03:04 |
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| unique311 | i can't upload 1 track for you and you can take a look at it | 03:05 |
| unique311 | disq, could this be the issue File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (â?¢ Interscope).MP3 | 03:07 |
| unique311 | strange characters | 03:07 |
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| arj | hi. Is there a way to disable the minimize all apps functionality on the n770. I need the key in vnc | 03:09 |
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| pupnik | press the home button briefly (it2006 | 03:10 |
| pupnik | oh disable | 03:11 |
| pupnik | sorry | 03:11 |
| arj | yeah disable the house :-) | 03:11 |
| pupnik | i'd like to know that too! | 03:11 |
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| pupnik | if i could reassign that, i could have a button to pull up a vkbd for sdl and xlib programs | 03:12 |
| unique311 | non opengl software render pupnik.. | 03:12 |
| pupnik | yeah there's a plugin somewhere that does it all internally | 03:12 |
| pupnik | you might even be able to play those 2D adventures pretty fast | 03:13 |
| arj | there has to go be someone who knows it with all the 600 lurkers in here | 03:14 |
| unique311 | lol | 03:14 |
| unique311 | 600 | 03:14 |
| unique311 | 201 ove rhere | 03:14 |
| pupnik | plus, if we port a bad psx emu, zodttd will become annoyed at our feebleness and port a good emu! | 03:14 |
| pupnik | :) | 03:14 |
| unique311 | go to the opengl channel and ask.. | 03:15 |
| cesman | how is everyone playing games on the 770 or 800? | 03:15 |
| cesman | I don't mean Blocks | 03:15 |
| pupnik | no this has nothing to do with opengl | 03:15 |
| cesman | but emulated games | 03:15 |
| pupnik | we're playing them slowly, is what we're doing :P | 03:16 |
| cesman | I find it difficult to play with the dpad and the buttons where they are | 03:16 |
| pupnik | yeah there's a 40 euro bluetooth controller that's been reported to work. i play on the bluetooth keyboard. | 03:16 |
| unique311 | it is difficult.. | 03:16 |
| erstazi_ | i am going to set up slimserver | 03:16 |
| unique311 | but if you bored the controls don't matter | 03:16 |
| unique311 | got a suggestion | 03:18 |
| cesman | lol | 03:18 |
| unique311 | open maya | 03:18 |
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| disq | unique311: can you run kagu-scanner from the cmdline and trace the output? | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider_ | cesman: smw, angstron, marbles, maemodrac , mahjong | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider_ | ahh | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider_ | emulated games | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider_ | dunno | 03:20 |
| pupnik | with that dpad, nothing that requires fast reflexes | 03:21 |
| Vertoo | pupnik: where did you say that host file was | 03:21 |
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| pupnik | /etc/hosts | 03:21 |
| pupnik | be sure not to overwrite it | 03:22 |
| pupnik | append to it instead | 03:22 |
| unique311 | disq i would but i already deleted the folder from SD | 03:22 |
| unique311 | going to try another billboard top 100 and see if it was those funny strings in the tracks name | 03:23 |
| disq | mmm ok | 03:23 |
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| NeoStrider_ | I was kind of lucky , as *tron games doesnt require too many keypresses at the same time or on a short space of time | 03:28 |
| unique311 | pupnik, http://www.pbernert.com/html/gpu.htm#SOFTLIN | 03:30 |
| unique311 | tis it | 03:30 |
| * cesman hopes the next Internet Tablet is more game friendly | 03:31 | |
| unique311 | x/sdl/dga2 | 03:31 |
| unique311 | thats the plugins thats going to make gaming on the psx happen | 03:31 |
| pupnik | need source :/ | 03:32 |
| unique311 | its on the link | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | http://www.pbernert.com/gpupeopssoftx117.tar.gz <- executeable | 03:32 |
| pupnik | ahh there's a sourceforge page... | 03:33 |
| unique311 | maybe it will work. | 03:33 |
| Vertoo | whats the terminal command to edit a text file? | 03:34 |
| pupnik | vi, but you need to learn a bit of vi to use it | 03:34 |
| NeoStrider_ | how to quit vi? =-P | 03:36 |
| NeoStrider_ | im more a emacs guy | 03:36 |
| pupnik | esc to exit insert mode then ZZ or :wq to write and quit | 03:36 |
| unique311 | http://peops.cvs.sourceforge.net/peops/ | 03:37 |
| Vertoo | what do i add to block a domain oer site? | 03:37 |
| unique311 | only able to find src in CVS page | 03:37 |
| unique311 | but everything is in there | 03:37 |
| pupnik | add a line like this to /etc/hosts | 03:38 |
| pupnik | 127.0.0.1 www.adserver.net adserver.net | 03:38 |
| Pio | man | 03:39 |
| Pio | so chsh'ing user is a really bad idea eh? | 03:39 |
| unique311 | pupnik, http://peops.cvs.sourceforge.net/peops/gpuPeopsSoft/readme_1_2.txt?revision=1.1.1.1&view=markup yet another link | 03:39 |
| unique311 | check out the readme on the software gpu | 03:39 |
| pupnik | ok | 03:40 |
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| unique311 | let me know how it turns out... | 03:44 |
| pupnik | reading | 03:45 |
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| pupnik | there are a few incompatibilities | 03:46 |
| pupnik | it's not going to build without changes | 03:47 |
| pupnik | i'll try it on the pc first to see what it's like :) | 03:47 |
| pupnik | ooh wait i need to find my old game cds | 03:48 |
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| * NeoStrider_ is away now | 04:02 | |
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| trevarthan | Just in case someone hasn't noticed yet, we've got a 1.0 binary release of Kagu available now (thanks to disq for all his hard work!): http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 04:19 |
| milhouse | just tried it | 04:23 |
| milhouse | and it's not working :( | 04:24 |
| trevarthan | oh yeah? | 04:24 |
| _Monkey | yeah is, like, there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) | 04:24 |
| milhouse | nothing happens when i run the scanner or kagu from extras | 04:24 |
| milhouse | this is on 4.2007/n800 | 04:24 |
| trevarthan | shut up monkey. | 04:24 |
| milhouse | so i ran kagu in xterm | 04:24 |
| milhouse | and i get the following | 04:24 |
| milhouse | ~ $ kagu | 04:24 |
| milhouse | Traceback (most recent call last): | 04:24 |
| milhouse | File "./kagu.py", line 23, in <module> | 04:24 |
| milhouse | import os, pygame, time, sys, gc | 04:24 |
| milhouse | ImportError: No module named pygame | 04:24 |
| trevarthan | ah crap. | 04:25 |
| trevarthan | you've got python 2.5? | 04:25 |
| milhouse | no | 04:25 |
| trevarthan | that's the problem. | 04:25 |
| trevarthan | looks like our dep restrictions aren't working. | 04:25 |
| milhouse | ah, so thats a dependency? | 04:25 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 04:25 |
| milhouse | ok let me grab python 2.5 | 04:25 |
| disq | no it's pygame. python2.5 is in the dependency list | 04:26 |
| milhouse | just had a scary moment installing kagu... my device ran out of memory! i only have xterm, pidgin, skype and media streamer installed... christ knows how i ran out of flash memory | 04:26 |
| milhouse | ah ok | 04:27 |
| milhouse | where do i get pygame? | 04:27 |
| trevarthan | comes with python 2.5. | 04:27 |
| milhouse | so i should install python 2.5 because i don't seem to have python installed yet | 04:27 |
| milhouse | ? | 04:27 |
| milhouse | python2.5-runtime | 04:27 |
| trevarthan | that's installed on your system? | 04:28 |
| milhouse | no | 04:28 |
| trevarthan | that's what you need then. | 04:28 |
| milhouse | that's the only pythong2.5 i have listed for installation | 04:28 |
| milhouse | ok, installing now... | 04:28 |
| trevarthan | we'll fix the dep. | 04:28 |
| unique311 | it works over here | 04:28 |
| unique311 | 1 issue i have...the scrolling is ttoo fast. | 04:29 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I'm not sure about the running out of flash ram thing. kagu itself chews up a lot of ram at runtime, but the installer should be just a normal install. | 04:29 |
| milhouse | hurrah... that seems to have worked | 04:29 |
| milhouse | do you get the runtime warnings about cdrom etc? | 04:29 |
| trevarthan | unique311: so don't flick it. drag it instead. | 04:29 |
| unique311 | disq, it was the the funny stings in the tracks names....i tried a different billboard top 100 and it works. | 04:30 |
| unique311 | but then its too slow trevarthan | 04:30 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - don't worry, i'm sure that has nothing to do with kagu and all to do with the OS | 04:30 |
| unique311 | it jumps also when i drag it | 04:30 |
| trevarthan | so don't flick it so fast. | 04:30 |
| trevarthan | unique311: how many tracks are in the album you're dealing with? | 04:30 |
| milhouse | i just deleted 16Mb of documents (the pdf manuals) and my internal flash memory usage went down from 85% to 30% - go figure, the N800 can't add up to save it's life | 04:31 |
| milhouse | bear in mind it's supposed to have 256Mb internal flash... | 04:31 |
| milhouse | successfully scanned my media... | 04:31 |
| trevarthan | unique311: you can also use the dpad to move up/down the list. | 04:31 |
| milhouse | oh and kagu shut down | 04:32 |
| milhouse | when i clicked the ok button | 04:32 |
| milhouse | starting it again | 04:32 |
| milhouse | loading album art this time | 04:32 |
| unique311 | dpad, doesn't do the cool scrolling | 04:32 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: kagu-scanner is separate from kagu itself. | 04:32 |
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| trevarthan | nope. | 04:32 |
| unique311 | kagu wouldn't list File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (â?¢ Interscope).MP3 | 04:33 |
| milhouse | the inertial scrolling is... interesting. possibly a little too fast | 04:33 |
| unique311 | see | 04:33 |
| unique311 | not the only one trevarthan | 04:33 |
| trevarthan | :) | 04:33 |
| milhouse | it needs a bit of damping :) | 04:33 |
| unique311 | we demand damping | 04:33 |
| trevarthan | see if you can get used to it. | 04:33 |
| milhouse | mind you it's my first time, maybe it will grow on me :) | 04:34 |
| milhouse | aye | 04:34 |
| milhouse | right... how do i get the a2dp working? | 04:34 |
| unique311 | come on milhouse, we gotta fight for the right to damping | 04:34 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: you've got mplayer and a2dpd and all that installed? | 04:34 |
| milhouse | no - thought a2dp came with kagu | 04:34 |
| trevarthan | just so you two know: I'm listening to everything you say. | 04:35 |
| milhouse | and i haven't got mplayer installed... argh, bloody os upgrades :) | 04:35 |
| milhouse | off to get mplayer | 04:35 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: no, it's a separate install. | 04:35 |
| milhouse | anychance of double clicking to select album or song? | 04:35 |
| trevarthan | you can't use mplayer from maemo.org either. gotta use the one from my site. | 04:35 |
| milhouse | ok off there now | 04:35 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-like-list-view.html | 04:35 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA | 04:35 |
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| unique311 | maybe he can help ya guys out | 04:36 |
| trevarthan | unique311: is that not exactly how Kagu's list works? | 04:37 |
| unique311 | no | 04:37 |
| unique311 | it doesn't | 04:37 |
| trevarthan | enlighten me. looks the same to me. | 04:37 |
| unique311 | ok you told me not to flick fast and i don't.. | 04:38 |
| unique311 | and it jumps.. | 04:38 |
| unique311 | when i say jump... | 04:38 |
| unique311 | i mean skips | 04:38 |
| unique311 | skips frames it looks like | 04:39 |
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| trevarthan | unique311: this is on an n800? | 04:40 |
| unique311 | yes | 04:40 |
| unique311 | guess i don't know how to flick yet | 04:40 |
| trevarthan | sounds like you're having CPU load problems. | 04:41 |
| trevarthan | anything running in the background? | 04:41 |
| unique311 | connected to my wire signal | 04:41 |
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| unique311 | thats all | 04:41 |
| trevarthan | shouldn't "skip" doesn't here. | 04:42 |
| unique311 | i can restart the device and try | 04:42 |
| trevarthan | can you run `top` and see what's chewing up CPU? | 04:42 |
| unique311 | k | 04:44 |
| disq | i released kagu 1.0.1 to fix the pygame missing dependency. it will be available for pickup in extras repository in a few minutes | 04:44 |
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| unique311 | clocking kagu at 14% | 04:45 |
| trevarthan | that's it? | 04:46 |
| trevarthan | can you try to press harder on the screen maybe? | 04:46 |
| unique311 | maemo-launcher at 8.6 | 04:46 |
| trevarthan | I'm confused as to why you're having difficulty with this. :) | 04:46 |
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| unique311 | kinetic scrolling is it? | 04:47 |
| trevarthan | different name, same idea, yeah | 04:47 |
| trevarthan | maybe what you're seeing is screen "tearing". | 04:48 |
| unique311 | guess i was a kinetic scroll virgin.. | 04:48 |
| unique311 | pressing on the screen is good | 04:48 |
| trevarthan | that helps? | 04:48 |
| unique311 | yes | 04:48 |
| trevarthan | ah. ok. thank you. I'll be sure to mention that first next time someone mentions it. | 04:48 |
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| trevarthan | I'm a little unhappy with how much pressure is required too. But I can't help that. :) | 04:49 |
| unique311 | still the video on that link, i'm not seeing the same type of scroll. seems cleaner in the video | 04:50 |
| trevarthan | That's the tearing you're seeing. | 04:50 |
| trevarthan | pygame tears on the n800 due to vsync issues. Same thing happens in canola. | 04:50 |
| unique311 | ok | 04:50 |
| trevarthan | I think that's one of the reasons why the canola people are moving to evas. | 04:50 |
| unique311 | the guy is using python and edje | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | edje = evas, I think | 04:51 |
| unique311 | k...so i guess you guys will get on the bandwagon after kagu gets notice more by the community | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | BTW, I think I had "kinetic" or "inertial" scrolling in kagu before anyone else. But I'm slow to make releases (took about a month), so UKMP beat me to it. :) | 04:52 |
| unique311 | UKMP is not playing nice right now.. | 04:52 |
| unique311 | doesn't show all my tracks.. | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | not sure if we'll go to edje or not. gotta play with it sometime. might stick with pygame for a while. | 04:52 |
| trevarthan | yeah. it's a bit sloppy with sorting too. | 04:52 |
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| disq | i saw the edge tutorial the canola guys posted, the code isn't neat and clean | 04:53 |
| disq | that's un-kagu :P | 04:53 |
| unique311 | un-kagu | 04:53 |
| disq | i'm kinda proud of the clean codebase trev accomplished | 04:54 |
| unique311 | What should we expect next major release of kagu? | 04:54 |
| disq | unique311: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/TTD | 04:55 |
| trevarthan | from me: 1.) a song position view, 2.) maybe song position bookmarking for audio books. | 04:55 |
| trevarthan | 3.) hopefully lower memory usage | 04:55 |
| unique311 | coug cough, black theme | 04:55 |
| trevarthan | 4.) we need a theme developer so kagu doesn't look like crap. hopefully someone will step up. | 04:55 |
| trevarthan | honestly, I probably never would have been motivated to do a 1.0 release without disq's help. :) | 04:59 |
| trevarthan | I was avoiding the Makefile and debian dir like the plague for about a month. :) | 04:59 |
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| disq | yeah. at first i was too | 04:59 |
| unique311 | the sprites.png | 05:01 |
| unique311 | thats the only thing that needs modification to change the theme? | 05:02 |
| unique311 | ? | 05:02 |
| trevarthan | The rectangle regions are defined in the sqlite db too. | 05:02 |
| trevarthan | so yeah, if you modify everything in place and don't change the width/height of anything, that's it. | 05:03 |
| trevarthan | if you want to go farther than that, I can work with you and hopefully make it easier for future themers. | 05:03 |
| disq | yeah we'll have to implement a theme installer by the time we have more than a couple themes. hopefully | 05:04 |
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| trevarthan | I sent a long-ass email to one guy interested in theme development earlier in the week. think I scared him away. :) | 05:04 |
| trevarthan | so, if we get community interest, I'm willing to do a 1.1 release based strictly on theme support. | 05:04 |
| disq | kagu 1.0.1 is out in the extras repository as of now, installing it should install all the required deps (pygame) | 05:04 |
| milhouse | rebooting (step 9) :) | 05:05 |
| unique311 | see if i can throw some stuff together.. | 05:05 |
| milhouse | and wouldn't you know, the battery on my n800 has gone from 3 bars to 1 | 05:05 |
| milhouse | ffs | 05:05 |
| trevarthan | unique311: check the DB class in kagu-scanner.py if you need to modify the default rectangle regions. | 05:06 |
| unique311 | k | 05:07 |
| unique311 | don't think i will mess with that.. | 05:07 |
| unique311 | yet | 05:07 |
| unique311 | going to leave everything as is and try out a different color layour | 05:07 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I'm going to finally upgrade my firmware tonight to the latest, so I'll be reinstalling all that alsa-bluetooth crap too. I'll try to make things easier as I go. | 05:08 |
| unique311 | i'll let you see it when i get done | 05:08 |
| unique311 | change those arrows. | 05:08 |
| _Monkey | unique311: that doesn't look right | 05:08 |
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| milhouse | hurrah - bt audio :) | 05:08 |
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| milhouse | (step 10) | 05:08 |
| trevarthan | unique311: you don't like my crappy arrow sprites?!? | 05:08 |
| * trevarthan feels depressed | 05:08 | |
| unique311 | your gradient usage is good..but could be better | 05:09 |
| unique311 | lol | 05:09 |
| trevarthan | It's all _Monkey crap. fix it and I'll love you forever. | 05:09 |
| milhouse | now got bt audio via kagu - sweet :) | 05:09 |
| unique311 | when you can send me the email....hopefully it doesn't scare me away....unique11226@gmail.com | 05:10 |
| disq | hey check out the power saving features too. though i think they are seemless :P | 05:10 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: let me know if you get any spontaneous reboots after using a2dp audio. I was getting some earlier today for the first time in quite a while. | 05:10 |
| disq | when the screen is off it stops updating/scrolling and resumes when it's on again | 05:10 |
| milhouse | the volume control scrolling is a bit tricky | 05:10 |
| milhouse | is there any way to change volume without clicking the bluetooth icon? | 05:11 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, a slide bar probably makes more sense there. but the scroll widget was already implemented. | 05:11 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: rockers on the top | 05:11 |
| trevarthan | (you know, the usual volume buttons) | 05:12 |
| milhouse | ah yes :) | 05:12 |
| milhouse | i thought they may be forward/reverse | 05:12 |
| trevarthan | nah, that's left/right on the dpad | 05:12 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, the color of the current theme...matches the actual birds colors..nice | 05:12 |
| milhouse | ta | 05:12 |
| trevarthan | unique311: accidental, actually. :) | 05:13 |
| NeoStrider_ | "ta"? | 05:13 |
| unique311 | even better | 05:13 |
| NeoStrider_ | where are you from, milhouse? | 05:13 |
| disq | nothing like eating ramen at 5 in the morning | 05:13 |
| milhouse | right better go rechard this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;) | 05:14 |
| unique311 | maybe i can find a rare colored kagu | 05:14 |
| milhouse | s/rechard/recharge/ | 05:14 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: right better go recharge this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;) | 05:14 |
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| milhouse | have either of you guys got an iPhone? just so that you can rip off any good ideas :D | 05:19 |
| milhouse | can kagu start a2dpd if it's not running (and shut it down when exiting or exiting from bluetooth mode)? | 05:21 |
| disq | yeah | 05:22 |
| milhouse | that would be nice | 05:22 |
| milhouse | save me having to remember and start an xterm session | 05:23 |
| milhouse | :) | 05:23 |
| trevarthan | it starts it up when you hit the a2dpd button. | 05:23 |
| milhouse | oh it does it already? cool | 05:23 |
| trevarthan | yeah. I'm not sure what happens if it's already running, but it's probably not good. | 05:23 |
| milhouse | it seemed to work for me just now - i already had it running as i followed the instructions from the web site | 05:24 |
| milhouse | does it shut it down if it was started by kagu? | 05:24 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 05:24 |
| trevarthan | shuts down mplayer too, btw. | 05:24 |
| trevarthan | defaults to using osso-media-player when not using a2dp. | 05:24 |
| milhouse | mine is still running after i exited from kagu, but then kagu didn't start it so maybe that's why | 05:25 |
| milhouse | a2dpd that is | 05:25 |
| trevarthan | I'd shut kagu down, kill everything, then start it back up. | 05:25 |
| disq | trevarthan: osso-media-server to be precise | 05:25 |
| trevarthan | righto. :) | 05:25 |
| milhouse | let me give that a try | 05:25 |
| trevarthan | flashing my firmware now. weeee.... | 05:25 |
| trevarthan | took me 5 minute to figure out that I had to be root to flash. geez. | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider_ | gtg | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider_ | bye fellows | 05:26 |
| trevarthan | cya | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider_ | it was a nice weekend | 05:26 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: you didn't get a spontaneous reboot when you exited kagu, did you? | 05:27 |
| milhouse | no | 05:28 |
| milhouse | and kagu just worked perfectly - started and stopped a2dpd/mplayer when needed. nice. | 05:28 |
| milhouse | no spontaneous reboots so far | 05:28 |
| trevarthan | good. | 05:28 |
| trevarthan | have you noticed that the scroll widget gets a little slower when playing back a2dp audio? | 05:29 |
| milhouse | yes, it's certainly less smooth | 05:29 |
| trevarthan | yeah. a2dpd chews up too much cpu. | 05:29 |
| milhouse | figured as much | 05:29 |
| milhouse | so neither of you has an iphone? | 05:30 |
| erstazi | it shocked me when they said that the iphone uses the ARM arch. | 05:31 |
| milhouse | what else would it use? | 05:32 |
| milhouse | not much out there that can beat it | 05:32 |
| erstazi | milhouse, there are different archs | 05:32 |
| milhouse | right now | 05:32 |
| trevarthan | nah. you wanna ship me one? | 05:32 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: not via London :) | 05:32 |
| milhouse | erstazi: sure - but which are better? | 05:32 |
| erstazi | milhouse, I don't have an opinion on that, not qualified in that field | 05:33 |
| milhouse | erstazi: so why were you shocked? | 05:33 |
| erstazi | so far I would say the ARM arch is very nice | 05:33 |
| erstazi | milhouse, just there are other archs | 05:33 |
| trevarthan | anyone notice that double click *never* works in the control panel? | 05:34 |
| milhouse | there's a bug discussing that | 05:34 |
| milhouse | hang on... some justification for it along the lines it's a list | 05:35 |
| milhouse | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082 | 05:36 |
| milhouse | now i understand that, it makes it easier to use - not sure that makes it right though, and it's a tough job convincing Nokia that it sucks. | 05:37 |
| trevarthan | I don't mind double click, but usually it's like a tripple or quadruple click for me. two never does it. | 05:38 |
| trevarthan | new firmware seems a lot more responsive to button clicks and such | 05:39 |
| trevarthan | that's the touchscreen upgrades, I guess? | 05:40 |
| pupnik | unique311: new video of ps1 on gp2x - great framerates...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhe-uSMSMLA | 05:40 |
| erstazi | well, with Apple now shipping computers with Intel's processors, you would think that they could have went with 8051,... but there are at least 8 or more different archs that are embedded archs | 05:41 |
| cesman | didn't Intel purchase ARM a few years back? | 05:42 |
| unique311 | fast | 05:42 |
| erstazi | cesman, possible | 05:42 |
| pupnik | they purchased a license for the architecture, afaik | 05:42 |
| pupnik | unique311: have you tried pcsx on ubuntu? (it's a simple apt-get) i can't figure out how to use freakin keyboard controls | 05:43 |
| pupnik | the only plugins it comes with are for joystick controllers | 05:43 |
| trevarthan | hmmm.... new firmware isn't letting me install kagu or python 2.5. says I need libsdl and libglade and some other stuff. | 05:43 |
| cesman | that is pretty fast! | 05:44 |
| unique311 | i doubt if the P.E.op.S soft GPU plugin will give that result | 05:44 |
| cesman | again... I hope the next IT is the offspring of the GP2x and the 800... | 05:44 |
| unique311 | nokia get opengl going on the N800 | 05:45 |
| unique311 | won't need a next IT | 05:45 |
| unique311 | BUY THE FREAKING LICENSE... | 05:45 |
| trevarthan | lol | 05:45 |
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| unique311 | scared the monkey | 05:46 |
| disq | on power management ARM is still ahead | 05:47 |
| trevarthan | maybe he finally snuck up on milhouse and clubbed him with a banana | 05:47 |
| pupnik | unique still working through the errors on the peopls plugin | 05:47 |
| disq | trevarthan: did you try the auto-install thingy? | 05:47 |
| trevarthan | python 2.5 install from pymaemo project works, but not the one on garage. needs another repo.... | 05:47 |
| disq | can't provide more than one repo with .install files | 05:48 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 05:48 |
| milhouse | Intel acquired the StrongARM division from DEC... they didn't buy ARM | 05:48 |
| milhouse | and while there are other architectures, few can touch the maturity of ARM | 05:48 |
| disq | strongarm's a funny name. like vnc flavors (strongvnc, tightvnc, realvnc, and some more) | 05:49 |
| milhouse | and x86 ain't nowhere close in terms of power management | 05:49 |
| trevarthan | disq: can we put a disclaimer on the maemo.org download page somewhere stating that python 2.5 is required from the pymaemo site first? | 05:49 |
| disq | trevarthan: we could write a installation.txt and put it up in the release dir? | 05:49 |
| erstazi | x86 is horrible with power consumption | 05:49 |
| milhouse | And Intel have now offloaded their ARM division to Marvell | 05:49 |
| trevarthan | disq: how would people view it? | 05:50 |
| milhouse | but it will improve with the 45nm chips (they're not full x86, kind of like Pentium M's again) | 05:50 |
| disq | trevarthan: they'd have to be looking for it :) | 05:50 |
| disq | garage is limiting that way | 05:50 |
| milhouse | I seriously believe Intel have the skill to get "x86" down to ARM power levels | 05:50 |
| disq | the project description can't exceed 250 characters | 05:50 |
| trevarthan | disq: nm then. that's not worth doing... | 05:51 |
| pupnik | milhouse: there are reasons it's not there yet | 05:51 |
| milhouse | quite... but the chips are coming that go one step further to competing head on with ARM | 05:51 |
| milhouse | maybe not the next generation... | 05:51 |
| disq | trevarthan: but it won't install python2.5 from the garage then it's another pymaemo BS | 05:51 |
| pupnik | x86 SUCKS | 05:51 |
| trevarthan | disq: BS? | 05:52 |
| pupnik | it's actually evil | 05:52 |
| milhouse | I suspect the chips coming in mid 2008 will still be at least one order of magnitude less efficient than ARM | 05:52 |
| disq | trevarthan: bull crap :) | 05:52 |
| disq | mm it's there in the bora repository though: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/ | 05:52 |
| trevarthan | disq: oh well. not our fault python 2.5's installer sucks. | 05:52 |
| trevarthan | disq: install went very smoothly with bare new firmware besides the python 2.5 issue. | 05:55 |
| trevarthan | osso-media-server rocks! | 05:55 |
| disq | closed source software don't rock :P | 05:55 |
| trevarthan | eh? I don't really care so long as it ships with the n800 and doesn't crash. we could force everyone to use mplayer... but why? | 05:56 |
| disq | trevarthan: btw, using mplayer, receiving a voip call pauses, and ending a voip call resumes playback. with osso-media-server it won't resume after the call ends | 05:56 |
| trevarthan | ah | 05:56 |
| trevarthan | fixable? | 05:56 |
| disq | because we can't track states precisely (seen my commented code in ossoplayer::_interrupt()? ) | 05:57 |
| trevarthan | new touchscreen driver feels much more responsive with kagu. | 05:57 |
| trevarthan | I skimmed it. Didn't read too hard. | 05:57 |
| disq | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=979&group_id=40&atid=229 | 05:58 |
| trevarthan | letting my wife play with Kagu 1.0.1. she hasn't played with it since pre-disq days. :) see if it rocks her world. | 06:01 |
| cesman | trevarthan: congrats on 1.0! | 06:01 |
| trevarthan | thank you! It's all disq's doing. thank him too. | 06:02 |
| cesman | disq: congrats on 1.0.1! | 06:02 |
| cesman | :) | 06:02 |
| pupnik | i forgot what i have to do to invoke "gtk-config" in scratchbox | 06:03 |
| pupnik | hmm pkg-config | 06:04 |
| pupnik | "he who can google has the advantage" | 06:05 |
| disq | :) | 06:06 |
| disq | pkgconfig rocks | 06:06 |
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| pupnik | well i have a program that is built around (apparently) gtk1.2 and substituting pkgconfig for gtk-config led to many wrong includes | 06:15 |
| pupnik | i.e. tons of errors because it didn't have the types | 06:15 |
| pupnik | GtkWidget undeclared etc | 06:15 |
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| pupnik | but gtk.h is right there in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h | 06:17 |
| pupnik | but conf.c says gtk/gtk.h no such file or directory | 06:18 |
| disq | i have a program built around gtk1.2 that i'm willing to port to hildon someday too | 06:18 |
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| pupnik | so pkg-config -cflags must be giving badness | 06:18 |
| disq | it's called guitar, it's like an archive file UI thingy | 06:18 |
| pupnik | heh | 06:19 |
| pupnik | --cflags i meant | 06:19 |
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| pupnik | ok it's pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 | 06:23 |
| pupnik | woooooo \o/ | 06:25 |
| DaniloCesar | pupnik, Hi! Did you test your app (that game) with a N800 again? | 06:28 |
| pupnik | i don't have a n800 | 06:28 |
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| pupnik | ok changing a gtk1.2 to gtk2.0 config menu without knowing any gtk is not doable | 06:35 |
| pupnik | can i build gtk1.2 libs for ITOS and have them work? | 06:35 |
| disq | not a good idea, why not fix the app | 06:36 |
| pupnik | i'll fix it all right | 06:36 |
| pupnik | i'll strip out the whole config menu | 06:36 |
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| pupnik | there's no need for the menu config - it can all be done in textfile | 06:37 |
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| pupnik | mwahaha :) | 06:41 |
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| trevarthan | :) I'm still installing crap after my firmware upgrade. responsiveness is killer in new firmware. It's amazing. | 06:52 |
| pupnik | btw trev, you on mmc or internal flash? | 06:53 |
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| trevarthan | both | 06:53 |
| trevarthan | well, internal | 06:54 |
| trevarthan | I don't run sardine or anything | 06:54 |
| trevarthan | I just use mmc for songs/videos/etc | 06:55 |
| pupnik | ok i just put 2006 on mmc today and it's great! everything's snappier | 06:56 |
| pupnik | it's a whole new feeling when things get snappier isn't it :) | 06:57 |
| trevarthan | it really is. | 06:57 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, you have a 770 and it had 2005 on it? | 06:57 |
| trevarthan | I think I just fell in love with my n800 all over again | 06:58 |
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| pupnik | no 2006 on internal flash | 06:58 |
| pupnik | putting it on mmc sped it up | 06:58 |
| trevarthan | what | 06:59 |
| trevarthan | what's the default root pw again? | 06:59 |
| pupnik | rootme | 06:59 |
| erstazi | yeah I changed the default root password very quickly | 06:59 |
| trevarthan | new camera app kicks ass too. so much faster | 07:01 |
| trevarthan | not sure how to take video with it though | 07:02 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, this first try at the theme is a test...checked out the kagu-scanner.py db class...not scared at all to change things around. doesn't seem hard at all.. | 07:03 |
| unique311 | had a good time mapping buttons on the POSE emulator.. | 07:04 |
| unique311 | do you still have the the psd file of the theme being used now? | 07:05 |
| unique311 | or AI..doubt it was done in illustrator | 07:06 |
| trevarthan | I used gimp. just edited it raw | 07:06 |
| pupnik | unique311: i got the gpu plugin ported | 07:06 |
| unique311 | nice | 07:06 |
| pupnik | now i have to do all the other plugins | 07:07 |
| pupnik | and i can't find out a FREAKING keyboard plugin | 07:07 |
| unique311 | guy on the forum was right...you are on a roll. | 07:07 |
| pupnik | ALL the sites i find are about 'how do i get my usb pad plugin working'? | 07:07 |
| pupnik | well this is a pointless exercise | 07:07 |
| pupnik | and i blame you :) | 07:08 |
| unique311 | compliment, thanks.. | 07:08 |
| unique311 | you ask for a software renderer that did use opengl.. | 07:08 |
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| unique311 | i just found it for ya.. | 07:08 |
| pupnik | source? | 07:09 |
| unique311 | keyboard plugin...looking right now. | 07:09 |
| trevarthan | unique311: you can email it to me when you're done, or disq, or just let us know where to download it. | 07:13 |
| trevarthan | take your time. | 07:13 |
| disq | email us both we're curious :) | 07:13 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, using illustrator..should look really good. | 07:13 |
| unique311 | can't go wrong with vector | 07:13 |
| trevarthan | true | 07:14 |
| pupnik | psemu-input-omnijoy ok this might work | 07:14 |
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| trevarthan | wow. battery usage is awesome with the new firmware. so much better. | 07:20 |
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| trevarthan | youtube still sucks. oh well. | 07:25 |
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| unique311 | actually it doesnt | 07:26 |
| unique311 | just gotta pause and wait till it dl the whole video. and then play it | 07:27 |
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| unique311 | but doing this on a weak internet connection and a large video still suck | 07:27 |
| unique311 | wait time | 07:27 |
| trevarthan | ah. gotta try that | 07:28 |
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| erstazi | trevarthan, do you have a 770 or N800? | 07:44 |
| trevarthan | n800 | 07:46 |
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| trevarthan | huh. xchat is sweet. | 07:53 |
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| erstazi | xchat is nice, I use it as my primarily irc client when I am GUI but on my server I use irssi | 07:54 |
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| trevarthan | same here | 07:55 |
| trevarthan | now if only I had a nice way to launch shell scripts from simple launcher, I'd be all set. | 07:55 |
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| pupnik | does that not work on n800? | 07:56 |
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| trevarthan | i don't know how. | 07:58 |
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| disq | can you try /bin/sh /path/to/shell/script? (probably you want /usr/bin/kagu?) | 08:10 |
| trevarthan | no, kagu launches fine from simple launcher. | 08:12 |
| trevarthan | I'm just thinking about my /home/user/bin/astaging autossh script. Might be handy to make that a button shortcut. | 08:12 |
| trevarthan | I could do it with a .desktop file. I know how. It just isn't very easy. | 08:13 |
| trevarthan | wish we had an easy way to shortcut shell scripts is all I'm saying. | 08:13 |
| disq | well. see if astaging has #/bin/sh on the top then | 08:13 |
| disq | or #!/bin/sh rather | 08:13 |
| trevarthan | it does. it's executable. | 08:13 |
| disq | well i don't like simple launcher very much. i think what we need for the desktop is a multiple tab plugin, where in the tabs you can arrange regular desktop plugins | 08:14 |
| disq | and it would also allow multiple instances of plugins so you could have a few web shortcuts all doing different things | 08:15 |
| trevarthan | I think that's basically what I'm saying. None of the launchers do what I want. Simple is the closest to what I want, it just doesn't make it easy to add shell scripts. | 08:15 |
| trevarthan | IDEA is just too complicated. | 08:16 |
| erstazi | I need to open port 9000 ugh | 08:16 |
| erstazi | sorry, was thinking off my head, I got to stop doing that | 08:16 |
| trevarthan | 1am here. i'm gonna catch some sleep. | 08:17 |
| erstazi | same here | 08:17 |
| erstazi | but sleep is for the innocent | 08:17 |
| erstazi | heh | 08:17 |
| disq | trevarthan: does alsa stuff (plugz? sbc?) require red pill mode? | 08:17 |
| trevarthan | laterz peeps. peace out. | 08:17 |
| disq | okay night | 08:18 |
| disq | i'll catch some sleep too | 08:18 |
| trevarthan | disq: maybe. used to work for me. this time i had to do dpkg -i | 08:18 |
| trevarthan | not sure why... | 08:19 |
| disq | trevarthan: if you repackage be sure to edit debian/control and change the class from libs/something to user/something | 08:19 |
| disq | trevarthan: otherwise regular people won't be able to install it without redpill | 08:19 |
| trevarthan | k. i'll do that. | 08:19 |
| disq | or alternatively we could fork/rename them and put them up on the garage with a meta package | 08:19 |
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| trevarthan | i need to contact mplayer guy anyway. | 08:20 |
| disq | i saw them a few times in maemo-devel, he's active | 08:21 |
| disq | s/them/him | 08:21 |
| trevarthan | thumb kb seems much more accurate in latest firmware. loving it. | 08:21 |
| disq | is it? didn't notice, didn't use the thumb kb much since i upgraded | 08:22 |
| milhouse | bug 1204 comment 6 | 08:22 |
| _Monkey | Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204#c6 | 08:22 |
| disq | milhouse: good job | 08:22 |
| milhouse | smashing... my first infobot module :) | 08:22 |
| trevarthan | yeah. he runs a really old os though. keeps him from compiling things. | 08:22 |
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| trevarthan | alright.i'm out. for real. cya disq. | 08:24 |
| disq | night. | 08:24 |
| erstazi | milhouse, nice (: | 08:24 |
| milhouse | thanks :) | 08:24 |
| milhouse | _monkey good boy | 08:25 |
| _Monkey | :) | 08:25 |
| pupnik | is it true there's a new it2007he in the works? | 08:39 |
| pupnik | or is that pretty much abandoned? | 08:39 |
| milhouse | new version is in the works, allegedly | 08:42 |
| milhouse | http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html | 08:43 |
| milhouse | like, er, any day now :) | 08:43 |
| erstazi | milhouse, heh | 08:43 |
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| disq | ok, time to sleep. cya | 09:04 |
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| erstazi | howdy sx|lappy | 09:14 |
| sx|lappy | howdy | 09:15 |
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| erstazi | ugh | 09:18 |
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| erstazi | sx|lappy, have you ever setup slimserver? | 09:23 |
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| sx|lappy | nope | 09:26 |
| milhouse | erstazi - i have | 09:26 |
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| erstazi | I run the command: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT (for slimserver) and still cannot connect to slimserver (besides http://127.0.0.1:9000) | 09:27 |
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| erstazi | so basically, I know its a firewall issue and I added port 9000 but no avail | 09:27 |
| erstazi | am I missing something? it works with 127.0.0.1:9000 | 09:28 |
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| milhouse | so not really a slimserver issue at all? :) | 09:28 |
| milhouse | has it bound to the correct interface? | 09:28 |
| erstazi | milhouse, no, its mainly a firewall issue, and its probably right under my nose but I am tired heh | 09:29 |
| erstazi | milhouse, with 127.0.0.1:9000 yes | 09:29 |
| milhouse | that sounds like lo | 09:29 |
| erstazi | ok | 09:29 |
| milhouse | loopback is 127.0.0.1 | 09:30 |
| milhouse | you'll have another interface eth0 or similar | 09:30 |
| erstazi | yes | 09:30 |
| milhouse | do you get the option in slimserver to bind to a specific interface? | 09:31 |
| erstazi | no | 09:31 |
| milhouse | i can't imagine it would bind to lo by default but worth checking... | 09:31 |
| milhouse | k | 09:31 |
| erstazi | would that be in the slimserver config? | 09:31 |
| erstazi | I believe debian based distros use the slimserver.pref but I could be wrong | 09:31 |
| milhouse | have a quick scan/search through slimserver.pref | 09:32 |
| milhouse | i must admit i've only ever bothered to install slimserver on a Win2K3 box | 09:32 |
| erstazi | yeah | 09:32 |
| milhouse | have you checked the Security page in Server Settings? | 09:34 |
| milhouse | Block Incoming Connections? | 09:35 |
| erstazi | found the slimserver.pref | 09:35 |
| erstazi | MMSport should be 9000 right? | 09:35 |
| milhouse | umm... hang on | 09:35 |
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| erstazi | I checked for blocked incoming connections in my firewall but that came up with nothing | 09:35 |
| milhouse | no, my MMSPort is 10002 | 09:36 |
| milhouse | httpport is 9000 | 09:36 |
| erstazi | same here | 09:36 |
| erstazi | same here | 09:37 |
| milhouse | Go to the Security Settings page in Server Settings within Slimserver (via your localhost browser connection) | 09:37 |
| milhouse | There is a section title "Block Incoming Connections" | 09:37 |
| milhouse | make sure you have it set to "Don't Block" | 09:37 |
| erstazi | ok | 09:37 |
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| erstazi | I even added 192.168.1.* to the "Allowed IP Addresses" | 09:40 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
| LukeM | Morning | 10:52 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:52 |
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| jkyro | hello | 10:56 |
| jkyro | Is anybody else getting 401 unauthorized from repository.maemo.org? | 10:57 |
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| jkyro | or am I missing something... | 10:58 |
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| LukeM | lemme check | 11:02 |
| LukeM | yep, I'm getting it too. | 11:03 |
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| pupnik | one damn api for hardware accelerated blits with depth-independent multiple layers | 11:43 |
| pupnik | it's 2007 and 2d games are taking performance hits | 11:47 |
| pupnik | for problems that were solved in hardware in ... 1983 | 11:47 |
| pupnik | we're unable to get smooth framerates because of issues that were dealt with (in crude form) by the Atari 400, the TI 99/4a | 11:49 |
| pupnik | ... that is a m a z i n g | 11:49 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:50 |
| pupnik | hi AD-N770 | 11:50 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Netrek_0_01_tinyfont.jpg | 12:47 |
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| Tili | can someone recommend IDE for development on Debian for Maemo? | 12:57 |
| * timeless chuckles | 12:57 | |
| timeless | vi? | 12:57 |
| _Monkey | vi is scarry to me | 12:57 |
| * timeless too | 12:57 | |
| timeless | tili: what do you actually need out of an ide? | 12:57 |
| Tili | to manage project for me. i will have a project with multiple files etc | 12:58 |
| Tili | so I wonder if some IDE supports already tools for maemo? | 12:58 |
| timeless | maemo isn't really that special | 12:58 |
| Tili | pardon me if I am asking basic questions | 12:58 |
| robtaylor | Tili: i hear anjuta is getting scratchbox support | 12:58 |
| Tili | oh cool. i used anjuta before | 12:58 |
| timeless | generally you're either using autoconf+debian(dpkg)+scratchbox, or you're using python | 12:58 |
| Tili | python for dev-tools? | 12:59 |
| robtaylor | http://www.bogenschneller.de/jsschmid/blog/?p=60 | 12:59 |
| timeless | if you're using autoconf and friends, it's the same normal toolchain plus the pain of scratchbox | 12:59 |
| timeless | but the ide doesn't change much | 12:59 |
| robtaylor | Tili: personally, vim and bash is enough for me ;) | 12:59 |
| Tili | and what about debugger? we use traditional GDB with command line? | 12:59 |
| timeless | some people use ddd | 13:00 |
| timeless | but basically, i'd recommend building the latest version of gdb and using it | 13:00 |
| timeless | maemo really is linux | 13:00 |
| robtaylor | Tili: i think anjuta has gdb support too, ddd is very nice too, though motif *blegh* | 13:00 |
| timeless | most things don't change at all | 13:00 |
| timeless | robtaylor: i'd hardly call ddd nice, but.. | 13:00 |
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| robtaylor | timeless: well, it has very nice features... | 13:01 |
| Tili | yeah that is cool. i will be porting some linux stuff to maemo. hoping to be not much painful as Symbian was | 13:01 |
| robtaylor | timeless: ui wise, it verily sucks | 13:01 |
| timeless | robtaylor: what's left that isn't just gdb? | 13:01 |
| robtaylor | Tili: it should be mostly a case of building withing scratchbox | 13:01 |
| robtaylor | Tili: maybe some ui changes for teh form factor, but thats about it | 13:02 |
| timeless | tili: the big bit is whether you try to use hildon or not | 13:02 |
| timeless | and for that, you probably want a cross reference | 13:02 |
| robtaylor | timeless: everything's gdb underneath.. | 13:02 |
| Tili | robtaylor: do u recommend any other UI for GDB? | 13:02 |
| timeless | i'll see about pushing that today/tomorrow | 13:02 |
| Tili | what is hildon | 13:02 |
| robtaylor | Tili: personally, i've never found a ui that works properly | 13:02 |
| _Monkey | well, hildon is upstream of maemo, so mentioning maemo in the description is faulty | 13:02 |
| robtaylor | Tili: hildon is a tablet desktop framework | 13:03 |
| robtaylor | s/desktop/palmtop/ ? ;) | 13:03 |
| robtaylor | Tili: http://live.gnome.org/Hildon | 13:04 |
| Tili | thanks | 13:04 |
| robtaylor | timeless: isn't everything just gdb? ;) I wish someone would modernise it a bit | 13:05 |
| Tili | but my app will need to be downloaded and it is always better for me too keep size minimum as final binary and also when it runs on machine | 13:05 |
| timeless | _monkry, hildon is also http://live.gnome.org/Hildon | 13:05 |
| timeless | _monkey, hildon is also http://live.gnome.org/Hildon | 13:05 |
| _Monkey | okay, timeless. | 13:05 |
| timeless | _monkey forget hildon | 13:06 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot hildon | 13:06 |
| timeless | _monkey hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon | 13:06 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 13:06 |
| timeless | silly bot, passive learning is bad | 13:06 |
| robtaylor | Tili: hildon is part of the mameo platform | 13:06 |
| robtaylor | _Monkey: hildon is also a standard part of the maemo platform | 13:07 |
| _Monkey | okay, robtaylor. | 13:07 |
| robtaylor | what is hildon | 13:07 |
| _Monkey | hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon or a standard part of the maemo platform | 13:07 |
| robtaylor | gnng | 13:07 |
| timeless | robtaylor "is also" is your friend | 13:07 |
| robtaylor | timeless: thats what i said, diddle i? | 13:08 |
| timeless | sorry, misread | 13:08 |
| robtaylor | 'is also' = or? 'is' = and? | 13:08 |
| timeless | no | 13:08 |
| timeless | is => a |= | 13:08 |
| timeless | hrm | 13:09 |
| timeless | no | 13:09 |
| robtaylor | heh | 13:09 |
| timeless | is => a ||= | 13:09 |
| timeless | is also => a |= | 13:09 |
| timeless | is will not do anything (or it will error) if there's a value | 13:09 |
| timeless | is also, adds the or and tail | 13:09 |
| robtaylor | ah | 13:09 |
| timeless | _monkey hildon is confusing | 13:10 |
| _Monkey | ...but hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon or a standard part of the maemo platform... | 13:10 |
| timeless | (error) | 13:10 |
| timeless | hildon is really confusing | 13:10 |
| robtaylor | _Monkey: forget hildon | 13:10 |
| timeless | (ignored) | 13:10 |
| _Monkey | robtaylor: I forgot hildon | 13:10 |
| timeless | note that infobots also support (kinda) =~ s/foo/bar/ | 13:10 |
| robtaylor | _Monkey: hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon and a standard part of the maemo platform | 13:10 |
| _Monkey | OK, robtaylor. | 13:10 |
| timeless | so you could have done hildon =~ s/or a/and a/ | 13:11 |
| robtaylor | meh, stupid _Monkey | 13:11 |
| robtaylor | timeless: nice :) | 13:11 |
| timeless | (note that infobots don't appreciate leading/trailing whitespace in regexps) | 13:11 |
| inz | Do they support regexps? | 13:11 |
| inz | I thought they only supported string replacement | 13:12 |
| inz | s/..pla/foo | 13:12 |
| timeless | inz: the syntax is designed to look like perl re | 13:12 |
| timeless | but yeah it's substrings | 13:12 |
| inz | s!foo!bar! | 13:12 |
| timeless | well, i suppose arguably sed stream editor replacing, but even that's regexp based.. | 13:12 |
| inz | *sniff* ;) | 13:12 |
| inz | Does sed have =~ -operator? | 13:13 |
| timeless | hrm, no :) | 13:14 |
| timeless | so it's perl | 13:14 |
| timeless | % ssh -p 6033 dh | 13:14 |
| timeless | [sanjay]$ | 13:14 |
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| timeless | % rsync -avrh -e 'ssh -p 6033' sardine-20070531 dh:mxr-root/ | 13:15 |
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| timeless | Add correct host key in /export/home/timeless/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. | 13:15 |
| timeless | what am i doing wrong w/ my rsync? :( | 13:15 |
| Cegy | hi can someone can someone tell me if OS2007HE for the 770 is easy to install on a windows pc ? | 13:15 |
| timeless | cegy: flashing is flashing | 13:16 |
| Cegy | so its simple then? | 13:16 |
| timeless | the flasher app doesn't really understand or care what it's flashing | 13:16 |
| timeless | as simple as flashing w/ anything else | 13:16 |
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| Cegy | oh ok do u know where i can get the lastest os2007 for the 770 from? | 13:17 |
| timeless | dunno :) | 13:17 |
| Cegy | oh ok but do u know if i update it to 2007 would i be able to downgrade it back down to 2006 if i want? | 13:18 |
| timeless | flashing is flashing | 13:19 |
| timeless | it's 100% destructive | 13:19 |
| timeless | as long as you don't have a brick when you're done, you can flash w/ any other flash image later | 13:19 |
| Cegy | oh thats good then | 13:19 |
| Cegy | so if i brick it its dead aka no good anymore? | 13:19 |
| timeless | yes | 13:19 |
| Cegy | ok :) | 13:19 |
| Cegy | am trying to find a good web brownser aswell but most of them crash which is crap | 13:20 |
| Cegy | :| | 13:20 |
| Cegy | any idea's on wat i can use? | 13:20 |
| robtaylor | Cegy: webkit | 13:20 |
| Cegy | is that easy and simple as am new to it | 13:21 |
| Tili | sorry to interrupt but what are u guys talking about installing OS2007 on PC? | 13:22 |
| Tili | u mean tablet PC? | 13:22 |
| Cegy | not | 13:22 |
| Cegy | it doesn't matter | 13:22 |
| timeless | tili: installing /from/ | 13:22 |
| Cegy | but it was for the 770 | 13:22 |
| Tili | oh ok | 13:22 |
| guardian | morning | 13:23 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:23 |
| guardian | timeless: remember my question about removing debug messages at compile time, well G_DEBUG_DISABLE seems to be gone from glib headers :) | 13:23 |
| timeless | nihau | 13:24 |
| timeless | niihau | 13:24 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, timeless | 13:24 |
| timeless | indeed | 13:24 |
| timeless | hrm, wait | 13:24 |
| timeless | i still have it as of last week in glib/gmessages.h | 13:25 |
| guardian | i'm not that up to date in my headers | 13:25 |
| guardian | but it's not into my scratchbox nor my ubuntu headers | 13:25 |
| timeless | i have weeks from last week going back about a year | 13:25 |
| timeless | lemme see if i'm a week out of date | 13:26 |
| Cegy | is there any web browser for the 770 that doesn't crash or have any memory buffer problems? | 13:26 |
| timeless | cegy: links? | 13:26 |
| timeless | maybe telnet? | 13:26 |
| Cegy | its shit as i can't use the with the virtual keybroard | 13:27 |
| maddler | morning all | 13:29 |
| timeless | which doesn't work w/ the vkb? | 13:29 |
| Cegy | links2 | 13:30 |
| _Monkey | i think links2 is a lightweight graphical web browser (non-hildon) http://pupnik.de/links2.html | 13:30 |
| Cegy | its crap on how both minimo and the internal web browser is a bug or something because it crash by itseld | 13:32 |
| Cegy | itself* | 13:32 |
| * timeless throws a dozen parsing errors @cegy | 13:34 | |
| Cegy | eh? | 13:35 |
| Cegy | lol | 13:35 |
| timeless | use fewer curses, use better English, use a real example, preferably a testcase | 13:35 |
| Cegy | well u must be daft if u don't know that theres a bug in both of them due to some memory buffer problem i think it becasue when i use it for like 20-30mins it close it self off for no reason | 13:36 |
| Cegy | :| | 13:36 |
| timeless | how many windows do you use? | 13:37 |
| timeless | 10 or 20? | 13:37 |
| _Monkey | 30 | 13:37 |
| Cegy | nah | 13:37 |
| Cegy | only 2 if that | 13:37 |
| timeless | um | 13:37 |
| Cegy | just say | 13:37 |
| timeless | ok, flash enabled? | 13:38 |
| Cegy | to make it easyer for u a picture site use a lot of memeory i guess so it might be that but i don't know | 13:38 |
| Cegy | yeah it should be | 13:38 |
| Okko | i can has longer times | 13:38 |
| timeless | have you considered disabling flash and browsing for a whlie? | 13:38 |
| Tili | what would be solution for this | 13:38 |
| Tili | configure: error: The Motif include file 'Xm/Xm.h' could not be found. | 13:38 |
| timeless | s/whlie/while/ | 13:38 |
| infobot | timeless meant: have you considered disabling flash and browsing for a while? | 13:38 |
| Cegy | no y? | 13:38 |
| timeless | perhaps you'll find the browser crashes less? | 13:39 |
| timeless | tili: i don't think maemo has motify support :) | 13:39 |
| Tili | oh sorry, ya it was on DDD | 13:39 |
| Tili | i thought i was compiling maemo. retard alert!!!!!!!! | 13:39 |
| timeless | i hope you aren't trying to build ddd *in* scratchbox | 13:40 |
| Tili | no its not in scratchbox | 13:40 |
| timeless | what distro? | 13:40 |
| timeless | you'll probably need to get motif/lesstif dev headers or something | 13:41 |
| timeless | at which point you might as well ask your distro to get you ddd too | 13:41 |
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| cosmo | anyone got suggestions what i should try to port to maemo? | 14:05 |
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| Jaffa | cosmo: A mind/concept-mapping utility or something like EPOC's Jotter (Maemopad+ isn't quite what I want) | 14:11 |
| cosmo | i haven't used jotter.. can you name some suitable implementation? | 14:13 |
| bergie | port of TomBoy would be cool | 14:13 |
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| cosmo | i think it looks quite complex. i'd like to first port something more simpler | 14:15 |
| cosmo | UAE might be fun | 14:16 |
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| Jaffa | cosmo: UAE'll be hard to do well, as you'll want/need to do some ARM optimisations etc. Also, different hardware key mappings for different games. | 14:39 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 14:55 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 14:55 |
| sbaturzio | _Monkey: Ciao | 14:55 |
| _Monkey | sbaturzio: huh? | 14:55 |
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| rtcm | hi, anyone here has successfully installed and ran scratchbox for maemo development on F7 ? | 14:57 |
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| rtcm | there seems to be an issue with a kernel config COMPAT_VDSO | 14:57 |
| inz | It should be "fixable" run-time | 14:58 |
| rtcm | I tried to rebuild the 2.6.22.1-33 kernel with that option enabled but it hangs on boot... | 14:58 |
| inz | With some maghic /proc or /sys -entry | 14:58 |
| rtcm | inz do you happen to know which exctly or have a link? | 14:59 |
| inz | rtcm, echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso | 14:59 |
| rtcm | inz: yhea but the fedora kernel doesn't have that entry.. | 15:01 |
| inz | ahh | 15:01 |
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| keesj | Hi | 15:43 |
| _Monkey | que tal, keesj | 15:43 |
| keesj | singe! | 15:43 |
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| Gathaja | I tried to setup usb networking and now the device just keeps rebooting. Is there anything else than reflash to do? | 16:24 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, I just installed the new SIP functionality for the new firmware on my n800. Trying to connect to an asterisk PBX. I can make outgoing calls, but nobody can call me and my n800 isn't registered with the asterisk server. Any ideas? | 17:00 |
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| Tili | how much space does Maemo take with scratchbox included? | 17:12 |
| Tili | it ate 2.2G and now i have nothing left on that partition | 17:12 |
| timeless | heh :) | 17:12 |
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| timeless | timeless@tinderbox:/scratchbox/users/timeless/targets/x86$ du -s -h . | 17:20 |
| timeless | 1.1G . | 17:20 |
| timeless | kinda depends what you put in your box, i suppose | 17:21 |
| timeless | that's a box running some debian flavor | 17:21 |
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| Tili | yeah it is debian on vmware | 17:23 |
| timeless | i think officially i'm using an "i386-minimaldev-rootstrap" | 17:24 |
| timeless | i don't know if such an animal officially exists | 17:24 |
| timeless | in which case, i might be cheating | 17:24 |
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| inz | timeless, it's a shame it doesn't | 17:24 |
| inz | timeless, and, indeed, you are cheating ;) | 17:25 |
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| timeless | whoops :) | 17:28 |
| trevarthan | When I try to connect to my asterisk server using my n800, I get a registration error: http://www.pastebin.ca/639317 | 17:28 |
| trevarthan | any ideas on that anyone? | 17:28 |
| N800 | Subscription Does Not Exist | 17:29 |
| timeless | are you using the osso sip stuff? | 17:29 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 17:29 |
| timeless | they had issues w/ it and wondered why skype "just worked" :) | 17:29 |
| inz | my /scratchbox takes 15 G | 17:29 |
| timeless | they're certainly fairly concerned about it :) | 17:30 |
| trevarthan | skype isn't interesting to me. I need SIP. | 17:30 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Skype, by no means, just works.. | 17:30 |
| timeless | x-fade: *shrug*, dtmf or whatever seems to work in skype | 17:30 |
| timeless | and atm, i'm having enough trouble making normal calls w/ my normal cell phone | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | inz: if you do 'du /scratchbox' you get the size counted twice, because it's bind-mounted inside itself | 17:30 |
| timeless | my parents get an echo of themselves w/o hearing me at all | 17:31 |
| timeless | imagine trying that a few times | 17:31 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: I got the program in a logon -> crash loop on the first time I logged in. Others seem to have that too. | 17:31 |
| timeless | (that's a normal phone, not skype/n800/googletalk/gizmo/...) | 17:31 |
| timeless | x-fade: nice | 17:31 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: And some calls get disconnected at the same call length.. | 17:31 |
| N800 | I have 2 sip accounts setup.. | 17:32 |
| N800 | both work | 17:32 |
| N800 | incoming outgoing | 17:32 |
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| N800 | open the port trevarthan, if you are behind a router | 17:32 |
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| trevarthan | N800: which port? We're using SIP phone with this wifi network already to the same machine, so everything should be open. | 17:34 |
| trevarthan | N800: your accounts are to an asterisk machine? | 17:34 |
| N800 | no | 17:34 |
| trevarthan | :) | 17:34 |
| trevarthan | what are they connecting to? | 17:35 |
| N800 | don't really know. | 17:35 |
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| N800 | freedigits & freecalls. | 17:35 |
| N800 | 1 allows me to recieve calls for free | 17:35 |
| N800 | and the other to make them | 17:36 |
| N800 | well both allow to make call for free | 17:36 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/ | 17:36 |
| inz | mgedmin, and with three users, make that 4, so just over 2 gigs is more accurate | 17:36 |
| timeless | in case people want an old reference of sardine | 17:36 |
| inz | mgedmin, s/over/under/ | 17:36 |
| Spakman | hello - does anyone here know anything about the Ruby-Maemo binding? Can I create home desktop widgets with it? | 17:36 |
| inz | Spakman, I would guess not -- at least not until chinook | 17:37 |
| Spakman | thanks inz | 17:37 |
| Spakman | why is that? | 17:37 |
| inz | Spakman, chinook will use the hildon-desktop, which will make it techincally possible | 17:39 |
| inz | Spakman, with maemo-af-desktop, I think it would require some major hacks | 17:40 |
| Spakman | OK, thanks for the clarification inz | 17:40 |
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| trevarthan | N800: they're helping me on #telepathy. :) yay for open source and IRC. | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | inz: with maemo-af-desktop you could use Gtk's embedding thing (i.e. as used in desktop panels etc.) to have a panel contain something controlled by another process; then a lightweight C veneer. | 17:55 |
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| inz | Jaffa, that is what I meant by "major hacks" ;) | 17:57 |
| inz | Jaffa, the worst thing is, that if using GtkPlug/Socket, the key events go straight to the applet if it has focus, the desktop cannot see them anymore | 17:58 |
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| Toma- | is there a way to ditch hildon? | 18:03 |
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| Jaffa | inz: :) | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | Toma-: yes, people have KDE running, or WindowMaker etc. | 18:06 |
| Toma- | im gonna get e17 running | 18:06 |
| Toma- | :> | 18:06 |
| Toma- | ill get to hackin then | 18:06 |
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| N800 | trevarthan, the theme, having issues....the ok and cancel option....how do i change the color for those 2 options? | 18:10 |
| N800 | trevarthan, nvm | 18:11 |
| N800 | the transparency changes i did 2 the backgound of the whole theme fixed that | 18:12 |
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| trevarthan | N800: be careful with transparency. Make sure you aren't using an alpha channel. We're strictly using colorkeys for speed. | 18:15 |
| trevarthan | (and memory consumption for that matter) | 18:15 |
| N800 | i not using transparency...i was having issues with the pink background.. | 18:20 |
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| N800 | in the png file.. | 18:20 |
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| N800 | pieces of the pink would get picked up. | 18:20 |
| N800 | so i ended up getting rid of the pink color. | 18:20 |
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| whaq_ | pink n800?? | 18:23 |
| N800 | getting rid of the play pause next and previous...have to come up with some icon ideas...I'm about to head downtown, hopefully i can come up with some ideas.. | 18:23 |
| trevarthan | N800: stop using antialiasing if you don't want pink to show up. | 18:25 |
| N800 | i figured out what to do already.. | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | l | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | k | 18:26 |
| N800 | all i have to dl now is chchange your icons.. | 18:26 |
| N800 | lol | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | :) | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | N800: are you unique311? | 18:26 |
| N800 | actually the back and exit, minor changes | 18:27 |
| N800 | yes | 18:27 |
| trevarthan | k. | 18:27 |
| N800 | now as for the play pause ,etc | 18:27 |
| N800 | unknown icon also.. | 18:27 |
| N800 | give that a facelift | 18:27 |
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| trevarthan | :) n800 SIP <-> asterisk doesn't work too well yet. They're looking at it. Works until the second registration, then stops. | 18:37 |
| N800 | get a free number from freedigits till then.. | 18:38 |
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| disq | hey all | 18:40 |
| trevarthan | howdy disq. | 18:40 |
| disq | trevarthan: #telepathy? btw got reply for osso.playback.manager in maemo-devel, happy | 18:40 |
| trevarthan | yeah. #telepathy. rtcomm SIP doesn't play nice with asterisk. we're debugging. I'm the guine pig. | 18:42 |
| disq | ah. the new firmware. right :) | 18:42 |
| Toma- | http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17maemo.gif <---just a mockup of what it can do :) | 18:44 |
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| trevarthan | Here's the SIP <-> asterisk bug report: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1763727&group_id=143636&atid=756076 | 18:50 |
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| disq | i'm reading about last.fm in wikipedia, as a long morning reading :P | 18:51 |
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| pupnik | Toma want image | 18:51 |
| pupnik | moonin | 18:52 |
| Toma- | :P | 18:52 |
| pupnik | nice lookin | 18:52 |
| NeoStrider | disq..where is nothing to read about | 18:52 |
| NeoStrider | just listen to it! | 18:52 |
| NeoStrider | it rocks! | 18:53 |
| Toma- | thanks. just a matter of getting onboard the on screen keyboard to bind to a HW button | 18:53 |
| pupnik | which button did you choose? | 18:53 |
| Toma- | i havent built it yet :( | 18:54 |
| Toma- | need to port it over, but it works | 18:54 |
| Toma- | the layout at least | 18:54 |
| Toma- | so the theory is all there, just a matter of making it happen :) | 18:54 |
| pupnik | the widget/icon design on enlightenment is nice imo | 18:55 |
| Toma- | indeedy | 18:57 |
| Toma- | it can all be run quite easily on single clicks aswell | 18:57 |
| Toma- | favorites menu pops up on desktop click for instance | 18:57 |
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| pupnik | the early maemo-developers list is interesting reading | 19:03 |
| pupnik | idnt.org was right there from the beginning. first game mentioned was... xbill :P | 19:05 |
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| disq | heh | 19:06 |
| pupnik | may 2005 | 19:06 |
| disq | back then the IT2005 was butt ugly slow | 19:08 |
| disq | and the apps were installed in /var/lib/install | 19:08 |
| pupnik | when did you start with maemo? | 19:08 |
| disq | early 2006 i think | 19:08 |
| pupnik | nice | 19:09 |
| disq | my friend showed me his 770 (and he was just using it for ebooks) and i was hooked (well. an xterm is enough to get me hooked) | 19:09 |
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| pupnik | lol 'crazy parking' built June 2005 | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: some of us read it at the time :) | 19:14 |
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| pupnik | hahaha first emulator mentioned June 2005 | 19:15 |
| AD-N770 | pupnik, my first release of nethack port was february, 12, 2006 | 19:16 |
| pupnik | it is an honor to chat with the elders! :) | 19:16 |
| timeless | hello world | 19:17 |
| AD-N770 | and I bought the 770 just for read ebooks too :) | 19:17 |
| timeless | is it possible to talk to a GPS device using TCP/IP instead of Bluetooth? | 19:17 |
| disq | if you have a gps device that talks tcp/ip, then sure. you'd need to wrap around or patch or generate signals for gpsd tho | 19:18 |
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| AD-N770 | and it's the main use for my n800 now | 19:18 |
| timeless | are there such devices? | 19:18 |
| disq | ah. no, there aren't. :P | 19:19 |
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| disq | it wouldn't be useful anyway, if you establish a adhoc connection then you'd have to establish regular net connectivity via bt or usbnet since you can't use the wifi for two things (do adhoc connections work p2mp?) | 19:20 |
| disq | how are the browser affairs going? :) | 19:20 |
| timeless | i've written blog entry #2 | 19:21 |
| timeless | i'm trying to figure out how to write blog entry #1 | 19:21 |
| timeless | which is a bit of a problem, how does one write about a cat that's already out of the bag while pretending to annoucne it? | 19:22 |
| timeless | actually, i'm also reading a thesis someone wrote | 19:22 |
| timeless | it's good to see not many additional complaints | 19:22 |
| timeless | are people using it? | 19:22 |
| * timeless was supposed to ask for download stats | 19:22 | |
| pupnik | heh first mention of maemo on OMAP2420 was June 2005 by Komal Shah | 19:23 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:23 |
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| timeless | ? | 19:23 |
| pupnik | people using what? | 19:24 |
| * pupnik puts on curious hat | 19:24 | |
| timeless | microb | 19:24 |
| disq | i'm not using it much, didn't yet get around to solving the oh my fonts are all in times new roman issue | 19:25 |
| timeless | hrm | 19:25 |
| disq | but if a site bugs me, doesn't work, etc. instead of launching minimo i try microb and it usually works | 19:25 |
| timeless | at one point we had hard coded all fonts to a single face | 19:25 |
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| timeless | i wonder if we fixed that | 19:25 |
| timeless | heh | 19:25 |
| pupnik | is it available for 770/it2006? | 19:26 |
| timeless | well, good to see we're at least squeezing competition out of the market :) | 19:26 |
| timeless | pupnik: it's open source, someone could try to rebuild it | 19:26 |
| timeless | we've talked about it and haven't quite figured out the rules | 19:26 |
| timeless | atm you need 2007se4 | 19:27 |
| timeless | (or you can use instructions on webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800 to use 2007se3) | 19:27 |
| disq | the rules? | 19:27 |
| pupnik | ok i am sure someone will do it | 19:27 |
| timeless | hrm, did i say that aloud? | 19:27 |
| timeless | ok, well, i use it on se3 :) | 19:28 |
| pupnik | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html looks easy :P | 19:28 |
| timeless | it isn't :) | 19:28 |
| timeless | getting quilt, bc, and something else are actually painful | 19:28 |
| pupnik | i need quilt :/ | 19:29 |
| timeless | hrm | 19:29 |
| pupnik | where can i get these deps for my scratchbox pls | 19:29 |
| timeless | add a debian repo :) | 19:29 |
| pupnik | it is horrible | 19:29 |
| timeless | db48x might have sent me instructions | 19:29 |
| pupnik | it is like the fracral branches of a tree that you have to walk to build | 19:30 |
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| Vertoo | lol, pupnik, i have been playing with the host file for like 20 min. i did vi -h but its limited, and there is no man command on my terminal ? how should i go about editing it? | 19:43 |
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| Mikho | Hello, does anybody know how to find out what my display adapter is in ubuntu? | 19:48 |
| Mikho | from the console, as x can't start yet | 19:48 |
| Mikho | Tried to look inside the machine but the display adapter has absolutely no labels anywhere | 19:48 |
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| koen | MikaT: lspci should give a model number | 19:52 |
| Mikho | thanks | 19:53 |
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| pupnik | two years later and nobody has matched nokia for the 770 (and n800) | 20:05 |
| pupnik | \o/ | 20:06 |
| trevarthan | hmmmm.... I guess DTMF doesn't work with rtcomm SIP either? | 20:07 |
| ||cw | pupnik: it's seen as a niche market. competitors are either making msart phones or UMPC's, the nokia's fall in the middle somewhere | 20:08 |
| pupnik | we need to convince more people they need a nokia tablet | 20:11 |
| pupnik | 'need' of course :) | 20:11 |
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| AD-N770 | see u tomorrow | 20:14 |
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| celesteh | give them away free ;) | 20:15 |
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| Vertoo | hey pupnik; im hopeless lol. i cant figure out how to edit the host file at all lol. i did vi -h but its barely any help and tjere is no man command on here? | 20:21 |
| ||cw | Vertoo: what's -h do | 20:21 |
| ||cw | vi /etc/hosts and go at it | 20:21 |
| pupnik | adding sites to block by hand would be a lot of work | 20:22 |
| Vertoo | -h is help. i cant figure out the vi editor. it wont let my edit the file | 20:23 |
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| pupnik | vi takes a while to learn | 20:25 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22127.0.0.1+ads.doubleclick.net%22 | 20:25 |
| ||cw | press i, type, ESC 2 times, :wq | 20:25 |
| pupnik | there's some lists | 20:25 |
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| J_P | hi all | 20:25 |
| J_P | anyone know if Kiwi are working (tested) on maemo 2007 ? | 20:26 |
| whaq_ | Is Kiwi a wiki variant? | 20:27 |
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| J_P | whaq_: not is this : http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/ | 20:29 |
| Vertoo | but vi wont let me edit the hosts file. it opens a read only version | 20:30 |
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| pupnik | insanity -- a snes emu (w/o) sound was ported to GBA with a 32-bit 16.7mhz ARM cpu. | 20:31 |
| whaq_ | cool, that's useful | 20:32 |
| ||cw | Vertoo: did you gainroot yet? | 20:36 |
| disq | huh. eth0 is found and registered at boot time but then after logging in there's no eth0 | 20:44 |
| disq | any ideas? | 20:44 |
| disq | (not the n800, no) | 20:44 |
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| Sulis | disq: on what is that? | 20:47 |
| disq | debian, vmware | 20:47 |
| disq | debian/testing (lenny now i think) | 20:47 |
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| trevarthan | Anyone know if python's "twisted" framework is available for maemo? | 20:48 |
| Sulis | and ifconfig -a shows nothing? | 20:48 |
| Sulis | except lo, i assume | 20:48 |
| dev | trevarthan: it is | 20:49 |
| disq | it was registered as eth2. silly me, didn't think of ifconfig -a | 20:49 |
| Sulis | hehe | 20:50 |
| trevarthan | dev: got a link? | 20:50 |
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| dev | trevarthan: robtaylor has the debs here http://packages.codethink.co.uk | 20:51 |
| trevarthan | k. thanks. | 20:52 |
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| trevarthan | disq: I just noticed that I see loading triangles when I launch kagu. When did you fix that? Or is that just my new firmware? | 20:54 |
| disq | loading triangles? | 20:55 |
| disq | let me launch | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | yup. when an app loads, you see the triangles, you know? | 20:55 |
| disq | ah, yeah. i fixed that a hundred revs ago :) | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | hmmm... maybe you only fixed it for the new firmware. It still wasn't working yesterday. | 20:56 |
| disq | did you have kagu.deb installed on the older firmware? | 20:56 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 20:56 |
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| disq | mm. the old firmware was broken then | 20:56 |
| trevarthan | I kept updating it every day or two | 20:56 |
| disq | the triangles also work in my 770 | 21:00 |
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| whaq_ | Has anyone had damaged SD problem with 770/n800? | 21:02 |
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| pupnik | no but my camera has read errors after dropping it | 21:05 |
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| whaq_ | dropping it... in the N800? | 21:07 |
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| pupnik | do you have the same problem with a different sd card? | 21:08 |
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| whaq_ | No, I'm still waiting for a pair of N800 to be shipped my way.. | 21:11 |
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| pupnik | i'm still waiting for 1920x1080 stereo VR glasses with 90-degree field-of-view | 21:14 |
| roope | Like that one guy in Stak Trek TNG. | 21:15 |
| zeenix | roope: you la'forge? | 21:15 |
| zeenix | s/you/you mean/ | 21:15 |
| infobot | zeenix meant: roope: you mean la'forge? | 21:15 |
| roope | Yeah. | 21:16 |
| roope | http://www.llia.co.uk/images/blogimg/Geordi.jpg that's the future i want to be living in. | 21:17 |
| zeenix | i wonder how did they control the ships, especially in a battle with only that two dimentional screen | 21:18 |
| roope | pressure for Z-axis. | 21:18 |
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| pupnik | http://www.3dvisor.com/products.php this has 800x600, which is pretty decent | 21:18 |
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| roope | i tried one of those once. it gives motion sickness, because of the delay. | 21:19 |
| pupnik | 1 kilodollar though | 21:20 |
| pupnik | the last one i tried was in 1990 :) | 21:20 |
| roope | But you can use it for a while before it kicks in. | 21:20 |
| pupnik | which did you try? | 21:20 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: btw. I upgrade to svn trunk and got the gms live streaming to work too. With mencoder. It's very slow to start up, so I think mplayer (or mainly other players) may give up before the stream actually starts | 21:20 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: what's gmencoder? | 21:20 |
| roope | Nokia had one for testing. Don't remember the brand name. | 21:21 |
| roope | it wasn't really good, frankly. | 21:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: to avoid this "timeout" problem while using mencoder, just use mplayer with the "-nocache" option and it'll work =) | 21:21 |
| kulve | yeah, I noticed. | 21:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho | 21:22 |
| kulve | hmm.. | 21:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | it just uses gstreamer to encode stuff | 21:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | it's like a wrapper | 21:22 |
| kulve | I would like to try ogg/theora/vorbis stream, but mencoder doesn't do ogg.. | 21:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: if you want to implement another plugin... =P | 21:22 |
| kulve | wouldn't gmencoder be able to encode to anything gstreamer supports..? | 21:23 |
| zeenix | kulve: mencoder uses gst? | 21:25 |
| kulve | zeenix: afaik, no, it doesn't.. | 21:25 |
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| kulve | but I understood gmencoder does use it.. | 21:25 |
| zeenix | "Gmencoder is a gnome-2 front-end to mplayer/mencoder." | 21:26 |
| kulve | oh | 21:26 |
| milhouse | itt forums down? | 21:26 |
| kulve | zeenix: what about the MoRpHeUz's comment "gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho" | 21:26 |
| pupnik | not refreshing here | 21:26 |
| kulve | I think there are two gmencoders..? | 21:26 |
| zeenix | kulve: seems so :( | 21:26 |
| milhouse | pupnik - thanks, bummer... just in the middle of a reply | 21:27 |
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| MoRpHeUz | zeenix: hhmm | 21:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | the gmencoder provided by the gmyth package only uses gstreamer | 21:27 |
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| zeenix | MoRpHeUz: google finds: gmencoder.sourceforge.net/ | 21:28 |
| zeenix | and it's been there since 2003 :) | 21:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | zeenix: definitely it's not the one that I'm talking about =P hehe... | 21:28 |
| zeenix | at least | 21:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | bad internal name...our fault.. | 21:29 |
| zeenix | but i wonder why people can't do a simple google search before they name their projects | 21:29 |
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| trevarthan | zeenix: devs typically aren't PR people. | 21:31 |
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| zeenix | trevarthan: ? google search is used more by devs than PR people, afaik | 21:33 |
| trevarthan | zeenix: you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. | 21:33 |
| zeenix | trevarthan: nope! i wasn't talking to you so you shouldn't talk to me either if you think so | 21:35 |
| trevarthan | :) | 21:35 |
| MoRpHeUz | =/ | 21:35 |
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| admgecko | evening everyone | 21:46 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: hmm.. But I wonder why the gmencoder doesn't find any audio elements.. gst-inspect finds them from my prefix after I set GST_PLUGIN_PATH accordingly.. | 21:46 |
| admgecko | im after a little advice, ive just bought a nokia 770 with a 1gb rs-mmc card from expansys, and it should come this week | 21:47 |
| admgecko | but i am wondering, what are they must have apps, and can i store them on my 1gb memory card? can i format is as jffs2? can i mount it and install apps onto it? im really thinking ssh on this thing could be awsome | 21:48 |
| pupnik | congrats! | 21:48 |
| pupnik | yes, no, yes, no | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | admgecko: "must have" apps depend on each person, I guess | 21:49 |
| MoRpHeUz | renatofilho_: can you help kulve with this ? gmencoder is not working correctly on his machine.... | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | FBReader is a must-have app for me | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | as well as panelclock and load-applet | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | Maemo Mapper is quite popular | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | Canola is pretty | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | no, you can't store apps on the memory card | 21:50 |
| pupnik | if you like linux you will be happy | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | no, you can't format the memory card as jffs2 | 21:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | renatofilho_: ? | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | you don't need to mount it by hand, it's mounted automatically | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | again, no, you can't install apps onto it | 21:50 |
| kulve | renatofilho_: compiled with /usr/local/something -prefix | 21:50 |
| admgecko | :D im thinking about using it for ssh into my servers (so ssh, bash, grep, less etc), vnc, rdesktop, mplayer, gaim? | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | you can get ssh installed on the 770 after some trouble | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | you can also use it as an ssh client | 21:50 |
| kulve | renatofilho_: I don't actually have now much time to debug this, but I'll bug you some other time with this.. :) | 21:51 |
| admgecko | im hoping it can replace the little compaq n400c i use for surfing and messaging an ssh when im watching tv | 21:51 |
| pupnik | admgecko: ssh and vnc and rdesktop and some vpns work | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | I suggest you look at the application catalog on maemo.org (filter for IT OS 2006) | 21:51 |
| pupnik | admgecko: but get a bluetooth keyboard | 21:51 |
| ||cw | and gaim/pidgeon | 21:51 |
| admgecko | so, what can i store on the rs-mmc cards, if i can store apps, can i boot off it? | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | the 770/N800 is a pocketable laptop replacement, but it's not a very convenient laptop replacement | 21:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: I'll try to ping him.. | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | actually, you can install an alternative os into the mmc card and boot of it | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | normal people keep music, books, videos, maps on the card | 21:52 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: I'll get back to it some other day.. | 21:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: thanks for the tests! =) | 21:53 |
| admgecko | and use the full 1gb for apps and stuff? | 21:53 |
| kulve | I can try debugging it a bit myself first.. | 21:53 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: no problem :) | 21:53 |
| pupnik | admgecko: you will be surprised how little space you need on the root fs | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | apps are small | 21:53 |
| zyxulnag1 | ssh is fairly easy to install on the 770, just apt-get install ssh | 21:54 |
| admgecko | cool, can it talk to my upnp mp3 server? | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | zyxulnag1: but you need root for that, which is not | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | very easy to get | 21:54 |
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| mgedmin | (sorry for the line break in the middle) | 21:54 |
| zyxulnag1 | well yeah easy is relative I guess | 21:54 |
| admgecko | it seems it can, i was looking on www.internettablettalk.com, but the site has stoped working for me (my isp are crap) | 21:54 |
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| unique311 | disq i'm missing my shuffle and normal icons...where they implimented in this release? | 22:00 |
| unique311 | notice the sprite png has them.. | 22:01 |
| disq | they're not implemented :/ | 22:03 |
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| * pupnik cases 'Summon OpenGL Drivers' | 22:05 | |
| pupnik | casts | 22:05 |
| ||cw | good luck with that | 22:10 |
| unique311 | pupnik, hows the psx coming | 22:14 |
| unique311 | disq, still working on the theme...1 problem | 22:15 |
| disq | trev knows the theme business :) | 22:15 |
| pupnik | need a simpler bin/iso loader | 22:16 |
| unique311 | i'm trying to make the "text big sel" rounded... | 22:16 |
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| unique311 | but when i try out the them..there's a round is there, but then if you really look you see the square edges in white | 22:17 |
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| unique311 | looking at the code..theirs not way to call the create tables and make them round. | 22:18 |
| unique311 | ?? | 22:19 |
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| trevarthan | unique311: you need transparency to do rounded corners. | 22:31 |
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| trevarthan | The colorkey (i.e. transparency pixel/color) comes from the bottom right most pixel in sprites.png. | 22:32 |
| admgecko | i got cut off :( stupid laptop battery | 22:32 |
| trevarthan | If you can't get it working, send us an email with your diff for the bounding rectangles and your sprites.png and we'll see if we can fix it. | 22:32 |
| unique311 | k | 22:33 |
| unique311 | i have a descent theme. just got home.. | 22:33 |
| unique311 | let me make minor changes... | 22:33 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I'm still at work, slaving away.. | 22:34 |
| admgecko | what is red-pill mode? r+d mode? | 22:35 |
| pupnik | ye | 22:36 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 22:36 |
| _Monkey | i heard becomeroot was For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 22:36 |
| pupnik | hmm that should really link to the wiki | 22:36 |
| admgecko | im just wondering....is the n800 that much better than the 770, its like 150 quid more expensive? | 22:40 |
| admgecko | or is that just cos its newer | 22:41 |
| admgecko | ? | 22:41 |
| pupnik | 770 is being sold at close-out prices, it's a steal | 22:41 |
| admgecko | yeah, i just bought one at expansys, 70 quid, bargin, but im just wondering, whats the diffrence, and is that n800 worth the extra? | 22:43 |
| garrett | I saw some random dude on the subway this morning with a 770 | 22:43 |
| garrett | I guess he was using fbreader, as he was reading it sideways | 22:43 |
| garrett | it was pretty cool to see it out in the wild again (I see people with the 770 and n800 from time to time around here) | 22:43 |
| pupnik | can't answer that admgecko | 22:43 |
| pupnik | where is that garrett ? | 22:44 |
| admgecko | ive been reading reviews + faqs about it all day (when i should be working) im a sucker for a new toy :D | 22:44 |
| pupnik | yeah i've been obsessing about the 770 for 8 months now | 22:45 |
| garrett | pupnik: in the Boston area | 22:45 |
| garrett | but there are a higher number of geeks around here than most of the US | 22:45 |
| garrett | so it makes sense | 22:45 |
| garrett | (: | 22:45 |
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| admgecko | i had a zarus a while back, was great, but my dad borrowed it when his ipaq broke and i havent seen it since | 22:47 |
| disq | _Monkey: redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 22:47 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 22:47 |
| disq | _Monkey: redpill mode? | 22:47 |
| _Monkey | redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 22:47 |
| admgecko | i cant wait till i get mine, im thinking im / web infront of the tv (pretty lazy, my tv has Windows Media Centre on it :-p) | 22:49 |
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| pupnik | i keep away from the sites with evil nasty javascript | 22:51 |
| pupnik | also walking around with kismet talking to your earphone with flite is great for finding open wifi spots | 22:52 |
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| admgecko | it runs kismet? | 22:52 |
| admgecko | how cool is that :D | 22:52 |
| pupnik | you can check out my ports page while you're surfing http://pupnik.de/software.html | 22:54 |
| admgecko | what about sat nav? i have an old blue reciver kicking about | 22:58 |
| admgecko | can i use that? | 22:58 |
| pupnik | maemomapper? | 22:59 |
| pupnik | don't use that | 23:00 |
| pupnik | *i don't | 23:00 |
| admgecko | ok, ill grab + install it when my 770 arrives | 23:00 |
| admgecko | i can run xterm on it, can i run bash, grep, more, nano, all of the basic stuff im used to (im a debian / slackware / mac os x man :D) | 23:01 |
| pupnik | you do admin for work? | 23:01 |
| admgecko | yeah | 23:02 |
| trevarthan | That new mozilla based browser is hecka better than opera. | 23:02 |
| admgecko | im a server admin at a utility company | 23:02 |
| trevarthan | Just had to install it today because my work's web site kept crashing opera. Mozilla pulled it first try. | 23:02 |
| pupnik | how is speed/memory use? | 23:03 |
| db48x | timeless: I never sent it, it kept failing to send to your address | 23:14 |
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| qgil | maddler: ping | 23:22 |
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| unique311 | question.... | 23:38 |
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| unique311 | trevarthan, the bluetooth icons..light blue is for? | 23:38 |
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| trevarthan | unique311: light blue = off, dark blue = on | 23:42 |
| unique311 | cool | 23:42 |
| unique311 | k, i found the colorkey | 23:42 |
| trevarthan | :) I didn't explain it well enough before? | 23:43 |
| unique311 | i see 2 pixels. | 23:43 |
| trevarthan | 2? | 23:43 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it 2 is kernel | 23:43 |
| unique311 | 1 gray 1 blue | 23:43 |
| trevarthan | shut up monkey | 23:43 |
| trevarthan | no, the colorkey is the lower right most pixel. It's pink in the original theme. | 23:44 |
| trevarthan | colorkey = transparency pixel | 23:44 |
| trevarthan | unique311: what line of the code are you looking at, and which file? | 23:45 |
| unique311 | scanner-kagu.py | 23:46 |
| unique311 | i did a search for color key...and yeah it is pink. | 23:46 |
| trevarthan | where were you getting gray and blue? what line? | 23:46 |
| unique311 | on the png itself. | 23:47 |
| trevarthan | you can see line numbers here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/kagu-scanner.py | 23:47 |
| unique311 | i'm confused..lol | 23:47 |
| trevarthan | :) np. | 23:47 |
| unique311 | line 255 | 23:47 |
| unique311 | ok... | 23:47 |
| unique311 | so all ihave to do is change the color key to the background color i'm using. | 23:48 |
| unique311 | and cheating transparency happens. | 23:48 |
| trevarthan | I'm not sure what you mean. The lower right pixel in sprites.png defines the transparency pixel. | 23:48 |
| unique311 | you sent me the email.. | 23:49 |
| trevarthan | Change that pixel, and something different will be used for the colorkey. | 23:49 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: that doesn't look right | 23:49 |
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| trevarthan | shut up monkey! | 23:49 |
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| unique311 | ok i got that part... | 23:49 |
| trevarthan | ok. | 23:49 |
| trevarthan | so what are you confused about? | 23:50 |
| unique311 | i got rid of the pink...because i was having issues with it before.. | 23:50 |
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| unique311 | now i know a little more.. | 23:50 |
| * pupnik has issues with pink too | 23:50 | |
| trevarthan | pink is my favorite color. :) | 23:50 |
| unique311 | so if my lower right pixel is light blue...the color key has to change in the source correct? | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | no | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | the source should stay the same. | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | the colorkey is pulled from the sprites.png and distributed dynamically through the source. | 23:51 |
| unique311 | ok | 23:52 |
| trevarthan | So... if you find a place where it needs to change, you're either doing something wrong, or you've found a bug. | 23:52 |
| unique311 | so let me check out scanner-kagu.py ion the device... | 23:52 |
| unique311 | i think it is using the new color which is white... | 23:52 |
| unique311 | and that is not working with the gradient i'm using. | 23:52 |
| trevarthan | yeah, that's why I used pink. You'll never have pink in your theme, unless it's girly. | 23:53 |
| unique311 | i'll figure it out eventually | 23:53 |
| trevarthan | so it makes a perfect color key. you don't want something that will appear in gradients by accident. | 23:53 |
| unique311 | might revert it back to pink... | 23:53 |
| trevarthan | yeah, probably a good idea. | 23:54 |
| trevarthan | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/theme.py line 34 is where the colorkey is pulled from sprites.png from the lower right corner, BTW. | 23:55 |
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| pupnik | trevarthan: that's cool. i like people who pink different :P | 23:56 |
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| trevarthan | "Pink is my favorite color": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_%28song%29 | 23:57 |
| trevarthan | decidedly, un-gay | 23:58 |
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| pupnik | they're still touring | 23:59 |
| disq | pink is my msn text color | 23:59 |
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