IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-07-30

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NeoStriderwhat can be done with that?00:00
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pupniklardman was looking into it00:09
pupnikfor example, i had a program to play back FM midi music, on my motorola 56k dsp back in 199100:09
pupniki think the DSP in the 770 must be more powerful and flexible than the 56k00:10
NeoStridersure...we could do some cool games with it00:10
pupniki think it could emulate the yamaha OPL3 fm chip and the sound blaster DSP00:10
NeoStriderI would love to have som effects like tempest 200000:10
NeoStrideryou dont know it?00:10
NeoStriderdo this:00:11
NeoStriderdownload tempest for MAME00:11
NeoStridertake some LSD00:11
pupniki see pictures00:11
NeoStriderturn on your lava lamp00:11
NeoStriderand go play it00:11
pupnikwatching youtube vids00:12
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pupniki don't think the dsp is useful for graphics, maybe i am wrong?00:14
NeoStridermaybe I just understood what a DSP is good for00:14
NeoStriders/just/just didnt/00:14
infobotNeoStrider meant: maybe I just didnt understood what a DSP is good for00:14
infobotNeoStrider meant: s/dont/dont00:15
pupnikthat reminds me to try kumppa on the 77000:15
NeoStriderwhats that?00:16
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nomisNeoStrider: a cool screensaver.00:17
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pupnikprobably the first to emulate 'video feedback'00:17
NeoStriderwhats video feedback?00:18
pupnika video camera plus a mirror pointed at a tv00:20
pupnikor no mirror00:20
pupnik  this is more typical video feedback00:21
pupnikwow they get some nice effects00:22
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||cwyeah that's fun to do00:30
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NeoStriderTHIS IS SPARTA!00:35
NeoStriders/SPARTA/video feedback/00:35
infobotNeoStrider meant: THIS IS video feedback!00:35
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pupnikbest i ever saw was done with an analog camera, a mirror and a commodore analog monitor00:38
robtaylorzeenix: good to see you've converted to git :)00:39
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zeenixrobtaylor: thanks but wouldn't make much of a difference if there are only two devels and only one of them converts to git :(00:43
robtaylorwell actually its not too bad00:49
zeenixrobtaylor: btw! you said you might be interested in gupnp when it's ready and i think it's ready now :)00:50
robtaylorzeenix: heh, well, needs some control points, i think ;)00:50
robtaylorzeenix: its not to bad using git-wvn, its not too different to say, how things are done with the hal repo00:51
zeenixrobtaylor: oh! you are only interested in UPnP apps, not frameworks?00:51
robtaylorzeenix: yep, prely pragmatic on the upnp front ;)00:51
zeenixrobtaylor: hmm.. i was hoping i can now persuade you to work with me on gupnp-av :)00:52
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robtaylorzeenix: heh, well i think i've got enough goding projects on at the moment, i'm afraid00:52
zeenixrobtaylor: you are only interested in specific control points or also the generic one i am writing now?00:55
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disqI can't add applications to
pupnikthere should be a page describing how to get apps included01:08
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disqi could do it before01:09
disqalready have three apps there01:09
pupnikoh, something wrong with then?01:11
pupnik(just asking001:12
disqa config problem probably. the floating menu to edit pages doesn't open01:12
disqoh. ok i found it01:13
disqhad to select a category first01:13
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celestehanybody here try running glimmr on their tablet?
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pupniklooks like a nice app for n80001:32
pupnikshare SD card with camera and upload photos on-the-go01:32
celestehyeah that was my idea01:33
pupnikdoes glimmr do auto-resizing?01:33
celestehi don't know.  i haven't tried downloading it yet01:33
celestehi was trying to figure out if i wanted to mess with it or write some python scripts01:33
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celestehi want something where I can write descriptions, titles and tags and then the application will save the metadata and wait patiently for an internet connection01:34
celestehi'm on os x, so my ability to test stuff or do development is not so great :(01:35
disqKagu media player finally released!01:36
disq (auto install link there)01:36
pupniki will definitely be trying out these things when i get testing it2007 on mmc01:38
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disqworks on it2006 too01:40
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pupnikwow booting from mmc is nice01:47
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_Monkeyi heard howto was the maemo community HowTo Wiki -
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erstazipupnik, is there any speed advantages booting from mmc?01:59
erstazis/is there/are there/g01:59
infoboterstazi meant: pupnik, are there any speed advantages booting from mmc?01:59
erstazithank you infobot02:00
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Sulisheh, infobot translates mistakes02:06
infobotSulis meant: heh, infobot translates corrections02:07
NeoStriderinfobot is boring02:07
NeoStriders/boring/very useful/02:07
infobotNeoStrider meant: infobot is very useful02:07
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pupnikapparently you can connect usb to pc while booted off mmc02:08
pupniki'm just catching up with some things :)02:09
nomispupnik: to access the data on the card? That indeed should be impossible.02:09
pupnikcheck bottom of page02:10
pupniki haven't tried it02:10
nomisif you boot off sd-card the filesystem on it is mounted, which means it shouldnt be mounted a second time via USB.02:11
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pupnikwell on linux i can mount /dev/sda2 and not mount /dev/sda102:12
pupnikperhaps you can boot off mmcblk0p2 and still mount mmcblk0p1 from pc?02:13
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NeoStriderpupnik, checkout mtab and fstab files02:19
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pupnikyes they're there02:22
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unique311hangovers suck02:26
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NeoStriderfellows, whats the name of that rapidshare clone you guys use?02:34
pupnik <- funny educational video.  How to post (and not to post) to forums. (flash)02:37
NeoStridertake a look , guys:02:39
NeoStriderthe radar02:39
_Monkeythe radar is fine with that, as long as I am in charge!02:39
NeoStriderits a the right place?02:39
NeoStrideror should I place it somewhere else?02:39
pupnikwhat is it02:39
NeoStriderthe "Radar"02:40
NeoStriderit shows the track state02:40
pupniknotice when i paste a url, i describe what it is about02:40
pupnikwhat track?02:40
NeoStriderits a screenshot02:40
pupnikhmm ok02:40
NeoStrider the radar (...)02:41
NeoStrider<NeoStrider> its a the right place?02:41
pupnikahh cool!02:41
NeoStriderthe radar, is in the right place?02:41
pupnikit brings up the image without downloading02:41
NeoStrideryeah, its better this way02:41
pupnikyes that's where it is most easily seen i think02:41
NeoStriderit may cover the trails in 3D02:41
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NeoStriderbut lots of people wont play looking for the 3D , but for the 2D02:42
pupnikthen how about the top?02:42
pupnikit would not obscure trails there02:42
NeoStriderI got some idea of drawing a small cockpit...I dont know...I want you guys to tell me what will look better02:42
NeoStrider(the trails on the 2D has some fade efect too ;-) )02:43
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pupnikdd bs=1M if=/dev/mmcblk0p2 | gzip > /media/mmc1/images/IT2006_2.2_Working.gz02:52
pupnikyaay i love backups02:52
pupniki hope mmc is smart enough to return nulls for the unused sectors02:55
pupnikotherwise i'll be compressing a lot of junk left over from the old data :/02:56
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unique311pupnik....psx emulator works?02:59
pupnikthe program starts up just fine!03:00
pupnikdoesn't run any psx games though :P03:00
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unique311reason behind that?03:00
pupniki never tried compiling the plugin for the graphics03:01
unique311disq, kagu won't display my billboard top 100 songs03:01
pupnikwe'd need to find a software renderer that doesn't use opengl03:01
pupniki think there is one out there03:01
disqunique311: billboard top 100 songs?03:01
unique311i'll look03:02
disqmaybe there's no album tag03:02
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unique311shouldn't it pick up the songs on the mmc.03:04
disqit should.03:04
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unique311i can't upload 1 track for you and you can take a look at it03:05
unique311disq, could this be the issue  File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (â?¢ Interscope).MP303:07
unique311strange characters03:07
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arjhi. Is there a way to disable the minimize all apps functionality on the n770. I need the key in vnc03:09
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pupnikpress the home button briefly (it200603:10
pupnikoh disable03:11
arjyeah disable the house :-)03:11
pupniki'd like to know that too!03:11
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pupnikif i could reassign that, i could have a button to pull up a vkbd for sdl and xlib programs03:12
unique311non opengl software render pupnik..03:12
pupnikyeah there's a plugin somewhere that does it all internally03:12
pupnikyou might even be able to play those 2D adventures pretty fast03:13
arjthere has to go be someone who knows it with all the 600 lurkers in here03:14
unique311201 ove rhere03:14
pupnikplus, if we port a bad psx emu, zodttd will become annoyed at our feebleness and port a good emu!03:14
unique311go to the opengl channel and ask..03:15
cesmanhow is everyone playing games on the 770 or 800?03:15
cesmanI don't mean Blocks03:15
pupnikno this has nothing to do with opengl03:15
cesmanbut emulated games03:15
pupnikwe're playing them slowly, is what we're doing :P03:16
cesmanI find it difficult to play with the dpad and the buttons where they are03:16
pupnikyeah there's a 40 euro bluetooth controller that's been reported to work.  i play on the bluetooth keyboard.03:16
unique311it is difficult..03:16
erstazi_i am going to set up slimserver03:16
unique311but if you bored the controls don't matter03:16
unique311got a suggestion03:18
unique311open maya03:18
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disqunique311: can you run kagu-scanner from the cmdline and trace the output?03:20
NeoStrider_cesman: smw, angstron, marbles, maemodrac , mahjong03:20
NeoStrider_emulated games03:20
pupnikwith that dpad, nothing that requires fast reflexes03:21
Vertoopupnik: where did you say that host file was03:21
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pupnikbe sure not to overwrite it03:22
pupnikappend to it instead03:22
unique311disq i would but i already deleted the folder from SD03:22
unique311going to try another billboard top 100 and see if it was those funny strings in the tracks name03:23
disqmmm ok03:23
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NeoStrider_I was kind of lucky , as *tron games doesnt require too many keypresses at the same time or on a short space of time03:28
unique311tis it03:30
* cesman hopes the next Internet Tablet is more game friendly03:31
unique311thats the plugins thats going to make gaming on the psx happen03:31
pupnikneed source :/03:32
unique311its on the link03:32
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pupnik <- executeable03:32
pupnikahh there's a sourceforge page...03:33
unique311maybe it will work.03:33
Vertoowhats the terminal command to edit a text file?03:34
pupnikvi, but you need to learn a bit of vi to use it03:34
NeoStrider_how to quit vi? =-P03:36
NeoStrider_im more a emacs guy03:36
pupnikesc to exit insert mode then ZZ or :wq to write and quit03:36
Vertoowhat do i add to block a domain oer site?03:37
unique311only able to find src in CVS page03:37
unique311but everything is in there03:37
pupnikadd a line like this to /etc/hosts03:38
pupnik127.0.0.1 adserver.net03:38
Pioso chsh'ing user is a really bad idea eh?03:39
unique311pupnik,   yet another link03:39
unique311check out the readme on the software gpu03:39
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unique311let me know how it turns out...03:44
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pupnikthere are a few incompatibilities03:46
pupnikit's not going to build without changes03:47
pupniki'll try it on the pc first to see what it's like :)03:47
pupnikooh wait i need to find my old game cds03:48
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trevarthanJust in case someone hasn't noticed yet, we've got a 1.0 binary release of Kagu available now (thanks to disq for all his hard work!):
milhousejust tried it04:23
milhouseand it's not working :(04:24
trevarthanoh yeah?04:24
_Monkeyyeah is, like, there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :)04:24
milhousenothing happens when i run the scanner or kagu from extras04:24
milhousethis is on 4.2007/n80004:24
trevarthanshut up monkey.04:24
milhouseso i ran kagu in xterm04:24
milhouseand i get the following04:24
milhouse~ $ kagu04:24
milhouseTraceback (most recent call last):04:24
milhouse  File "./", line 23, in <module>04:24
milhouse    import os, pygame, time, sys, gc04:24
milhouseImportError: No module named pygame04:24
trevarthanah crap.04:25
trevarthanyou've got python 2.5?04:25
trevarthanthat's the problem.04:25
trevarthanlooks like our dep restrictions aren't working.04:25
milhouseah, so thats a dependency?04:25
milhouseok let me grab python 2.504:25
disqno it's pygame. python2.5 is in the dependency list04:26
milhousejust had a scary moment installing kagu... my device ran out of memory! i only have xterm, pidgin, skype and media streamer installed... christ knows how i ran out of flash memory04:26
milhouseah ok04:27
milhousewhere do i get pygame?04:27
trevarthancomes with python 2.5.04:27
milhouseso i should install python 2.5 because i don't seem to have python installed yet04:27
trevarthanthat's installed on your system?04:28
trevarthanthat's what you need then.04:28
milhousethat's the only pythong2.5 i have listed for installation04:28
milhouseok, installing now...04:28
trevarthanwe'll fix the dep.04:28
unique311it works over here04:28
unique3111 issue i have...the scrolling is ttoo fast.04:29
trevarthanmilhouse: I'm not sure about the running out of flash ram thing. kagu itself chews up a lot of ram at runtime, but the installer should be just a normal install.04:29
milhousehurrah... that seems to have worked04:29
milhousedo you get the runtime warnings about cdrom etc?04:29
trevarthanunique311: so don't flick it. drag it instead.04:29
unique311disq, it was the the funny stings in the tracks names....i tried a different billboard top 100 and it works.04:30
unique311but then its too slow trevarthan04:30
milhousetrevarthan - don't worry, i'm sure that has nothing to do with kagu and all to do with the OS04:30
unique311it jumps also when i drag it04:30
trevarthanso don't flick it so fast.04:30
trevarthanunique311: how many tracks are in the album you're dealing with?04:30
milhousei just deleted 16Mb of documents (the pdf manuals) and my internal flash memory usage went down from 85% to 30% - go figure, the N800 can't add up to save it's life04:31
milhousebear in mind it's supposed to have 256Mb internal flash...04:31
milhousesuccessfully scanned my media...04:31
trevarthanunique311: you can also use the dpad to move up/down the list.04:31
milhouseoh and kagu shut down04:32
milhousewhen i clicked the ok button04:32
milhousestarting it again04:32
milhouseloading album art this time04:32
unique311dpad, doesn't do the cool scrolling04:32
trevarthanmilhouse: kagu-scanner is separate from kagu itself.04:32
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unique311kagu wouldn't list  File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (â?¢ Interscope).MP304:33
milhousethe inertial scrolling is... interesting. possibly a little too fast04:33
unique311not the only one trevarthan04:33
milhouseit needs a bit of damping :)04:33
unique311we demand damping04:33
trevarthansee if you can get used to it.04:33
milhousemind you it's my first time, maybe it will grow on me :)04:34
milhouseright... how do i get the a2dp working?04:34
unique311come on milhouse, we gotta fight for the right to damping04:34
trevarthanmilhouse: you've got mplayer and a2dpd and all that installed?04:34
milhouseno - thought a2dp came with kagu04:34
trevarthanjust so you two know: I'm listening to everything you say.04:35
milhouseand i haven't got mplayer installed... argh, bloody os upgrades :)04:35
milhouseoff to get mplayer04:35
trevarthanmilhouse: no, it's a separate install.04:35
milhouseanychance of double clicking to select album or song?04:35
trevarthanyou can't use mplayer from either. gotta use the one from my site.04:35
milhouseok off there now04:35
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unique311maybe he can help ya guys out04:36
trevarthanunique311: is that not exactly how Kagu's list works?04:37
unique311it doesn't04:37
trevarthanenlighten me. looks the same to me.04:37
unique311ok you told me not to flick fast and i don't..04:38
unique311and it jumps..04:38
unique311when i say jump...04:38
unique311i mean skips04:38
unique311skips frames it looks like04:39
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trevarthanunique311: this is on an n800?04:40
unique311guess i don't know how to flick yet04:40
trevarthansounds like you're having CPU load problems.04:41
trevarthananything running in the background?04:41
unique311connected to my wire signal04:41
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unique311thats all04:41
trevarthanshouldn't "skip" doesn't here.04:42
unique311i can restart the device and try04:42
trevarthancan you run `top` and see what's chewing up CPU?04:42
disqi released kagu 1.0.1 to fix the pygame missing dependency. it will be available for pickup in extras repository in a few minutes04:44
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unique311clocking kagu at 14%04:45
trevarthanthat's it?04:46
trevarthancan you try to press harder on the screen maybe?04:46
unique311maemo-launcher at 8.604:46
trevarthanI'm confused as to why you're having difficulty with this. :)04:46
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unique311kinetic scrolling is it?04:47
trevarthandifferent name, same idea, yeah04:47
trevarthanmaybe what you're seeing is screen "tearing".04:48
unique311guess i was a kinetic scroll virgin..04:48
unique311pressing on the screen is good04:48
trevarthanthat helps?04:48
trevarthanah. ok. thank you. I'll be sure to mention that first next time someone mentions it.04:48
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trevarthanI'm a little unhappy with how much pressure is required too. But I can't help that. :)04:49
unique311still the video on that link, i'm not seeing the same type of scroll.  seems cleaner in the video04:50
trevarthanThat's the tearing you're seeing.04:50
trevarthanpygame tears on the n800 due to vsync issues. Same thing happens in canola.04:50
trevarthanI think that's one of the reasons why the canola people are moving to evas.04:50
unique311the guy is using python and edje04:51
trevarthanedje = evas, I think04:51 i guess you guys will get on the bandwagon after kagu gets notice more by the community04:51
trevarthanBTW, I think I had "kinetic" or "inertial" scrolling in kagu before anyone else. But I'm slow to make releases (took about a month), so UKMP beat me to it. :)04:52
unique311UKMP is not playing nice right now..04:52
unique311doesn't show all my tracks..04:52
trevarthannot sure if we'll go to edje or not. gotta play with it sometime. might stick with pygame for a while.04:52
trevarthanyeah. it's a bit sloppy with sorting too.04:52
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disqi saw the edge tutorial the canola guys posted, the code isn't neat and clean04:53
disqthat's un-kagu :P04:53
disqi'm kinda proud of the clean codebase trev accomplished04:54
unique311What should we expect next major release of kagu?04:54
trevarthanfrom me: 1.) a song position view, 2.) maybe song position bookmarking for audio books.04:55
trevarthan3.) hopefully lower memory usage04:55
unique311coug cough, black theme04:55
trevarthan4.) we need a theme developer so kagu doesn't look like crap. hopefully someone will step up.04:55
trevarthanhonestly, I probably never would have been motivated to do a 1.0 release without disq's help. :)04:59
trevarthanI was avoiding the Makefile and debian dir like the plague for about a month. :)04:59
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disqyeah. at first i was too04:59
unique311the sprites.png05:01
unique311thats the only thing that needs modification to change the theme?05:02
trevarthanThe rectangle regions are defined in the sqlite db too.05:02
trevarthanso yeah, if you modify everything in place and don't change the width/height of anything, that's it.05:03
trevarthanif you want to go farther than that, I can work with you and hopefully make it easier for future themers.05:03
disqyeah we'll have to implement a theme installer by the time we have more than a couple themes. hopefully05:04
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trevarthanI sent a long-ass email to one guy interested in theme development earlier in the week. think I scared him away. :)05:04
trevarthanso, if we get community interest, I'm willing to do a 1.1 release based strictly on theme support.05:04
disqkagu 1.0.1 is out in the extras repository as of now, installing it should install all the required deps (pygame)05:04
milhouserebooting (step 9) :)05:05
unique311see if i can throw some stuff together..05:05
milhouseand wouldn't you know, the battery on my n800 has gone from 3 bars to 105:05
trevarthanunique311: check the DB class in if you need to modify the default rectangle regions.05:06
unique311don't think i will mess with that..05:07
unique311going to leave everything as is and try out a different color layour05:07
trevarthanmilhouse: I'm going to finally upgrade my firmware tonight to the latest, so I'll be reinstalling all that alsa-bluetooth crap too. I'll try to make things easier as I go.05:08
unique311i'll let you see it when i get done05:08
unique311change those arrows.05:08
_Monkeyunique311: that doesn't look right05:08
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milhousehurrah - bt audio :)05:08
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milhouse(step 10)05:08
trevarthanunique311: you don't like my crappy arrow sprites?!?05:08
* trevarthan feels depressed05:08
unique311your gradient usage is good..but could be better05:09
trevarthanIt's all _Monkey crap. fix it and I'll love you forever.05:09
milhousenow got bt audio via kagu - sweet :)05:09
unique311when you can send me the email....hopefully it doesn't scare me away....unique11226@gmail.com05:10
disqhey check out the power saving features too. though i think they are seemless :P05:10
trevarthanmilhouse: let me know if you get any spontaneous reboots after using a2dp audio. I was getting some earlier today for the first time in quite a while.05:10
disqwhen the screen is off it stops updating/scrolling and resumes when it's on again05:10
milhousethe volume control scrolling is a bit tricky05:10
milhouseis there any way to change volume without clicking the bluetooth icon?05:11
trevarthanmilhouse: yeah, a slide bar probably makes more sense there. but the scroll widget was already implemented.05:11
trevarthanmilhouse: rockers on the top05:11
trevarthan(you know, the usual volume buttons)05:12
milhouseah yes :)05:12
milhousei thought they may be forward/reverse05:12
trevarthannah, that's left/right on the dpad05:12
unique311trevarthan, the color of the current theme...matches the actual birds colors..nice05:12
trevarthanunique311: accidental, actually. :)05:13
unique311even better05:13
NeoStrider_where are you from, milhouse?05:13
disqnothing like eating ramen at 5 in the morning05:13
milhouseright better go rechard this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;)05:14
unique311maybe i can find a rare colored kagu05:14
infobotmilhouse meant: right better go recharge this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;)05:14
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milhousehave either of you guys got an iPhone? just so that you can rip off any good ideas :D05:19
milhousecan kagu start a2dpd if it's not running (and shut it down when exiting or exiting from bluetooth mode)?05:21
milhousethat would be nice05:22
milhousesave me having to remember and start an xterm session05:23
trevarthanit starts it up when you hit the a2dpd button.05:23
milhouseoh it does it already? cool05:23
trevarthanyeah. I'm not sure what happens if it's already running, but it's probably not good.05:23
milhouseit seemed to work for me just now - i already had it running as i followed the instructions from the web site05:24
milhousedoes it shut it down if it was started by kagu?05:24
trevarthanshuts down mplayer too, btw.05:24
trevarthandefaults to using osso-media-player when not using a2dp.05:24
milhousemine is still running after i exited from kagu, but then kagu didn't start it so maybe that's why05:25
milhousea2dpd that is05:25
trevarthanI'd shut kagu down, kill everything, then start it back up.05:25
disqtrevarthan: osso-media-server to be precise05:25
trevarthanrighto. :)05:25
milhouselet me give that a try05:25
trevarthanflashing my firmware now. weeee....05:25
trevarthantook me 5 minute to figure out that I had to be root to flash. geez.05:26
NeoStrider_bye fellows05:26
NeoStrider_it was a nice weekend05:26
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trevarthanmilhouse: you didn't get a spontaneous reboot when you exited kagu, did you?05:27
milhouseand kagu just worked perfectly - started and stopped a2dpd/mplayer when needed. nice.05:28
milhouseno spontaneous reboots so far05:28
trevarthanhave you noticed that the scroll widget gets a little slower when playing back a2dp audio?05:29
milhouseyes, it's certainly less smooth05:29
trevarthanyeah. a2dpd chews up too much cpu.05:29
milhousefigured as much05:29
milhouseso neither of you has an iphone?05:30
erstaziit shocked me when they said that the iphone uses the ARM arch.05:31
milhousewhat else would it use?05:32
milhousenot much out there that can beat it05:32
erstazimilhouse, there are different archs05:32
milhouseright now05:32
trevarthannah. you wanna ship me one?05:32
milhousetrevarthan: not via London :)05:32
milhouseerstazi: sure - but which are better?05:32
erstazimilhouse, I don't have an opinion on that, not qualified in that field05:33
milhouseerstazi: so why were you shocked?05:33
erstaziso far I would say the ARM arch is very nice05:33
erstazimilhouse, just there are other archs05:33
trevarthananyone notice that double click *never* works in the control panel?05:34
milhousethere's a bug discussing that05:34
milhousehang on... some justification for it along the lines it's a list05:35
milhousenow i understand that, it makes it easier to use - not sure that makes it right though, and it's a tough job convincing Nokia that it sucks.05:37
trevarthanI don't mind double click, but usually it's like a tripple or quadruple click for me. two never does it.05:38
trevarthannew firmware seems a lot more responsive to button clicks and such05:39
trevarthanthat's the touchscreen upgrades, I guess?05:40
pupnikunique311: new video of ps1 on gp2x - great framerates...
erstaziwell, with Apple now shipping computers with Intel's processors, you would think that they could have went with 8051,... but there are at least 8 or more different archs that are embedded archs05:41
cesmandidn't Intel purchase ARM a few years back?05:42
erstazicesman, possible05:42
pupnikthey purchased a license for the architecture, afaik05:42
pupnikunique311: have you tried pcsx on ubuntu? (it's a simple apt-get) i can't figure out how to use freakin keyboard controls05:43
pupnikthe only plugins it comes with are for joystick controllers05:43
trevarthanhmmm.... new firmware isn't letting me install kagu or python 2.5. says I need libsdl and libglade and some other stuff.05:43
cesmanthat is pretty fast!05:44
unique311i doubt if the P.E.op.S soft GPU plugin will give that result05:44
cesmanagain...  I hope the next IT is the offspring of the GP2x and the 800...05:44
unique311nokia get opengl going on the N80005:45
unique311won't need a next IT05:45
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unique311scared the monkey05:46
disqon power management ARM is still ahead05:47
trevarthanmaybe he finally snuck up on milhouse and clubbed him with a banana05:47
pupnikunique still working through the errors on the peopls plugin05:47
disqtrevarthan: did you try the auto-install thingy?05:47
trevarthanpython 2.5 install from pymaemo project works, but not the one on garage. needs another repo....05:47
disqcan't provide more than one repo with .install files05:48
milhouseIntel acquired the StrongARM division from DEC... they didn't buy ARM05:48
milhouseand while there are other architectures, few can touch the maturity of ARM05:48
disqstrongarm's a funny name. like vnc flavors (strongvnc, tightvnc, realvnc, and some more)05:49
milhouseand x86 ain't nowhere close in terms of power management05:49
trevarthandisq: can we put a disclaimer on the download page somewhere stating that python 2.5 is required from the pymaemo site first?05:49
disqtrevarthan: we could write a installation.txt and put it up in the release dir?05:49
erstazix86 is horrible with power consumption05:49
milhouseAnd Intel have now offloaded their ARM division to Marvell05:49
trevarthandisq: how would people view it?05:50
milhousebut it will improve with the 45nm chips (they're not full x86, kind of like Pentium M's again)05:50
disqtrevarthan: they'd have to be looking for it :)05:50
disqgarage is limiting that way05:50
milhouseI seriously believe Intel have the skill to get "x86" down to ARM power levels05:50
disqthe project description can't exceed 250 characters05:50
trevarthandisq: nm then. that's not worth doing...05:51
pupnikmilhouse: there are reasons it's not there yet05:51
milhousequite... but the chips are coming that go one step further to competing head on with ARM05:51
milhousemaybe not the next generation...05:51
disqtrevarthan: but it won't install python2.5 from the garage then it's another pymaemo BS05:51
pupnikx86 SUCKS05:51
trevarthandisq: BS?05:52
pupnikit's actually evil05:52
milhouseI suspect the chips coming in mid 2008 will still be at least one order of magnitude less efficient than ARM05:52
disqtrevarthan: bull crap :)05:52
disqmm it's there in the bora repository though:
trevarthandisq: oh well. not our fault python 2.5's installer sucks.05:52
trevarthandisq: install went very smoothly with bare new firmware besides the python 2.5 issue.05:55
trevarthanosso-media-server rocks!05:55
disqclosed source software don't rock :P05:55
trevarthaneh? I don't really care so long as it ships with the n800 and doesn't crash. we could force everyone to use mplayer... but why?05:56
disqtrevarthan: btw, using mplayer, receiving a voip call pauses, and ending a voip call resumes playback. with osso-media-server it won't resume after the call ends05:56
disqbecause we can't track states precisely (seen my commented code in ossoplayer::_interrupt()? )05:57
trevarthannew touchscreen driver feels much more responsive with kagu.05:57
trevarthanI skimmed it. Didn't read too hard.05:57
trevarthanletting my wife play with Kagu 1.0.1. she hasn't played with it since pre-disq days. :) see if it rocks her world.06:01
cesmantrevarthan: congrats on 1.0!06:01
trevarthanthank you! It's all disq's doing. thank him too.06:02
cesmandisq: congrats on 1.0.1!06:02
pupniki forgot what i have to do to invoke "gtk-config" in scratchbox06:03
pupnikhmm pkg-config06:04
pupnik"he who can google has the advantage"06:05
disqpkgconfig rocks06:06
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pupnikwell i have a program that is built around (apparently) gtk1.2 and substituting pkgconfig for gtk-config led to many wrong includes06:15
pupniki.e. tons of errors because it didn't have the types06:15
pupnikGtkWidget undeclared etc06:15
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pupnikbut gtk.h is right there in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h06:17
pupnikbut conf.c says gtk/gtk.h no such file or directory06:18
disqi have a program built around gtk1.2 that i'm willing to port to hildon someday too06:18
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pupnikso pkg-config -cflags must be giving badness06:18
disqit's called guitar, it's like an archive file UI thingy06:18
pupnik--cflags i meant06:19
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pupnikok it's pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.006:23
pupnikwoooooo \o/06:25
DaniloCesarpupnik, Hi! Did you test your app (that game) with a N800 again?06:28
pupniki don't have a n80006:28
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pupnikok changing a gtk1.2 to gtk2.0 config menu without knowing any gtk is not doable06:35
pupnikcan i build gtk1.2 libs for ITOS and have them work?06:35
disqnot a good idea, why not fix the app06:36
pupniki'll fix it all right06:36
pupniki'll strip out the whole config menu06:36
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pupnikthere's no need for the menu config - it can all be done in textfile06:37
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pupnikmwahaha :)06:41
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trevarthan:) I'm still installing crap after my firmware upgrade. responsiveness is killer in new firmware. It's amazing.06:52
pupnikbtw trev, you on mmc or internal flash?06:53
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trevarthanwell, internal06:54
trevarthanI don't run sardine or anything06:54
trevarthanI just use mmc for songs/videos/etc06:55
pupnikok i just put 2006 on mmc today and it's great!  everything's snappier06:56
pupnikit's a whole new feeling when things get snappier isn't it :)06:57
trevarthanit really is.06:57
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erstazipupnik, you have a 770 and it had 2005 on it?06:57
trevarthanI think I just fell in love with my n800 all over again06:58
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pupnikno 2006 on internal flash06:58
pupnikputting it on mmc sped it up06:58
trevarthanwhat's the default root pw again?06:59
erstaziyeah I changed the default root password very quickly06:59
trevarthannew camera app kicks ass too. so much faster07:01
trevarthannot sure how to take video with it though07:02
unique311trevarthan, this first try at the theme is a test...checked out the db class...not scared at all to change things around.  doesn't seem hard at all..07:03
unique311had a good time mapping buttons on the POSE emulator..07:04
unique311do you still have the the psd file of the theme being used now?07:05
unique311or AI..doubt it was done in illustrator07:06
trevarthanI used gimp. just edited it raw07:06
pupnikunique311: i got the gpu plugin ported07:06
pupniknow i have to do all the other plugins07:07
pupnikand i can't find out a FREAKING keyboard plugin07:07
unique311guy on the forum was are on a roll.07:07
pupnikALL the sites i find are about 'how do i get my usb pad plugin working'?07:07
pupnikwell this is a pointless exercise07:07
pupnikand i blame you :)07:08
unique311compliment, thanks..07:08
unique311you ask for a software renderer that did use opengl..07:08
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unique311i just found it for ya..07:08
unique311keyboard plugin...looking right now.07:09
trevarthanunique311: you can email it to me when you're done, or disq, or just let us know where to download it.07:13
trevarthantake your time.07:13
disqemail us both we're curious :)07:13
unique311trevarthan, using illustrator..should look really good.07:13
unique311can't go wrong with vector07:13
pupnikpsemu-input-omnijoy ok this might work07:14
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trevarthanwow. battery usage is awesome with the new firmware. so much better.07:20
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trevarthanyoutube still sucks. oh well.07:25
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unique311actually it doesnt07:26
unique311just gotta pause and wait till it dl the whole video.  and then play it07:27
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unique311but doing this on a weak internet connection and a large video still suck07:27
unique311wait time07:27
trevarthanah. gotta try that07:28
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erstazitrevarthan, do you have a 770 or N800?07:44
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trevarthanhuh. xchat is sweet.07:53
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erstazixchat is nice, I use it as my primarily irc client when I am GUI but on my server I use irssi07:54
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trevarthansame here07:55
trevarthannow if only I had a nice way to launch shell scripts from simple launcher, I'd be all set.07:55
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pupnikdoes that not work on n800?07:56
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trevarthani don't know how.07:58
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disqcan you try /bin/sh /path/to/shell/script? (probably you want /usr/bin/kagu?)08:10
trevarthanno, kagu launches fine from simple launcher.08:12
trevarthanI'm just thinking about my /home/user/bin/astaging autossh script. Might be handy to make that a button shortcut.08:12
trevarthanI could do it with a .desktop file. I know how. It just isn't very easy.08:13
trevarthanwish we had an easy way to shortcut shell scripts is all I'm saying.08:13
disqwell. see if astaging has #/bin/sh on the top then08:13
disqor #!/bin/sh rather08:13
trevarthanit does. it's executable.08:13
disqwell i don't like simple launcher very much. i think what we need for the desktop is a multiple tab plugin, where in the tabs you can arrange regular desktop plugins08:14
disqand it would also allow multiple instances of plugins so you could have a few web shortcuts all doing different things08:15
trevarthanI think that's basically what I'm saying. None of the launchers do what I want. Simple is the closest to what I want, it just doesn't make it easy to add shell scripts.08:15
trevarthanIDEA is just too complicated.08:16
erstaziI need to open port 9000 ugh08:16
erstazisorry, was thinking off my head, I got to stop doing that08:16
trevarthan1am here. i'm gonna catch some sleep.08:17
erstazisame here08:17
erstazibut sleep is for the innocent08:17
disqtrevarthan: does alsa stuff (plugz? sbc?) require red pill mode?08:17
trevarthanlaterz peeps. peace out.08:17
disqokay night08:18
disqi'll catch some sleep too08:18
trevarthandisq: maybe. used to work for me. this time i had to do dpkg -i08:18
trevarthannot sure why...08:19
disqtrevarthan: if you repackage be sure to edit debian/control and change the class from libs/something to user/something08:19
disqtrevarthan: otherwise regular people won't be able to install it without redpill08:19
trevarthank. i'll do that.08:19
disqor alternatively we could fork/rename them and put them up on the garage with a meta package08:19
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trevarthani need to contact mplayer guy anyway.08:20
disqi saw them a few times in maemo-devel, he's active08:21
trevarthanthumb kb seems much more accurate in latest firmware. loving it.08:21
disqis it? didn't notice, didn't use the thumb kb much since i upgraded08:22
milhousebug 1204 comment 608:22
_MonkeyBug 1204 might be found at
disqmilhouse: good job08:22
milhousesmashing... my first infobot module :)08:22
trevarthanyeah. he runs a really old os though. keeps him from compiling things.08:22
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trevarthanalright.i'm out. for real. cya disq.08:24
erstazimilhouse, nice (:08:24
milhousethanks :)08:24
milhouse_monkey good boy08:25
pupnikis it true there's a new it2007he in the works?08:39
pupnikor is that pretty much abandoned?08:39
milhousenew version is in the works, allegedly08:42
milhouselike, er, any day now :)08:43
erstazimilhouse, heh08:43
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disqok, time to sleep. cya09:04
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erstazihowdy sx|lappy09:14
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erstazisx|lappy, have you ever setup slimserver?09:23
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milhouseerstazi - i have09:26
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erstaziI run the command: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT (for slimserver) and still cannot connect to slimserver (besides
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erstaziso basically, I know its a firewall issue and I added port 9000 but no avail09:27
erstaziam I missing something? it works with
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milhouseso not really a slimserver issue at all? :)09:28
milhousehas it bound to the correct interface?09:28
erstazimilhouse, no, its mainly a firewall issue, and its probably right under my nose but I am tired heh09:29
erstazimilhouse, with yes09:29
milhousethat sounds like lo09:29
milhouseloopback is
milhouseyou'll have another interface eth0 or similar09:30
milhousedo you get the option in slimserver to bind to a specific interface?09:31
milhousei can't imagine it would bind to lo by default but worth checking...09:31
erstaziwould that be in the slimserver config?09:31
erstaziI believe debian based distros use the slimserver.pref but I could be wrong09:31
milhousehave a quick scan/search through slimserver.pref09:32
milhousei must admit i've only ever bothered to install slimserver on a Win2K3 box09:32
milhousehave you checked the Security page in Server Settings?09:34
milhouseBlock Incoming Connections?09:35
erstazifound the slimserver.pref09:35
erstaziMMSport should be 9000 right?09:35
milhouseumm... hang on09:35
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erstaziI checked for blocked incoming connections in my firewall but that came up with nothing09:35
milhouseno, my MMSPort is 1000209:36
milhousehttpport is 900009:36
erstazisame here09:36
erstazisame here09:37
milhouseGo to the Security Settings page in Server Settings within Slimserver (via your localhost browser connection)09:37
milhouseThere is a section title "Block Incoming Connections"09:37
milhousemake sure you have it set to "Don't Block"09:37
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erstaziI even added 192.168.1.* to the "Allowed IP Addresses"09:40
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JaffaMorning, all10:52
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jkyroIs anybody else getting 401 unauthorized from
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jkyroor am I missing something...10:58
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LukeMlemme check11:02
LukeMyep, I'm getting it too.11:03
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pupnikone damn api for hardware accelerated blits with depth-independent multiple layers11:43
pupnikit's 2007 and 2d games are taking performance hits11:47
pupnikfor problems that were solved in hardware in ... 198311:47
pupnikwe're unable to get smooth framerates because of issues that were dealt with (in crude form) by the Atari 400, the TI 99/4a11:49
pupnik... that is  a m a z i n g11:49
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AD-N770good morning11:50
pupnikhi AD-N77011:50
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Tilican someone recommend IDE for development on Debian for Maemo?12:57
* timeless chuckles12:57
_Monkeyvi is scarry to me12:57
* timeless too12:57
timelesstili: what do you actually need out of an ide?12:57
Tilito manage project for me. i will have a project with multiple files etc12:58
Tiliso I wonder if some IDE supports already tools for maemo?12:58
timelessmaemo isn't really that special12:58
Tilipardon me if I am asking basic questions12:58
robtaylorTili: i hear anjuta is getting scratchbox support12:58
Tilioh cool. i used anjuta before12:58
timelessgenerally you're either using autoconf+debian(dpkg)+scratchbox, or you're using python12:58
Tilipython for dev-tools?12:59
timelessif you're using autoconf and friends, it's the same normal toolchain plus the pain of scratchbox12:59
timelessbut the ide doesn't change much12:59
robtaylorTili: personally, vim and bash is enough for me ;)12:59
Tiliand what about debugger? we use traditional GDB with command line?12:59
timelesssome people use ddd13:00
timelessbut basically, i'd recommend building the latest version of gdb and using it13:00
timelessmaemo really is linux13:00
robtaylorTili: i think anjuta has gdb support too, ddd is very nice too, though motif *blegh*13:00
timelessmost things don't change at all13:00
timelessrobtaylor: i'd hardly call ddd nice, but..13:00
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robtaylortimeless: well, it has very nice features...13:01
Tiliyeah that is cool. i will be porting some linux stuff to maemo. hoping to be not much painful as Symbian was13:01
robtaylortimeless: ui wise, it verily sucks13:01
timelessrobtaylor: what's left that isn't just gdb?13:01
robtaylorTili: it should be mostly a case of building withing scratchbox13:01
robtaylorTili: maybe some ui changes for teh form factor, but thats about it13:02
timelesstili: the big bit is whether you try to use hildon or not13:02
timelessand for that, you probably want a cross reference13:02
robtaylortimeless: everything's gdb underneath..13:02
Tilirobtaylor: do u recommend any other UI for GDB?13:02
timelessi'll see about pushing that today/tomorrow13:02
Tiliwhat is hildon13:02
robtaylorTili: personally, i've never found a ui that works properly13:02
_Monkeywell, hildon is upstream of maemo, so mentioning maemo in the description is faulty13:02
robtaylorTili: hildon is a tablet desktop framework13:03
robtaylors/desktop/palmtop/ ? ;)13:03
robtaylortimeless: isn't everything just gdb? ;) I wish someone would modernise it a bit13:05
Tilibut my app will need to be downloaded and it is always better for me too keep size minimum as final binary and also when it runs on machine13:05
timeless_monkry, hildon is also
timeless_monkey, hildon is also
_Monkeyokay, timeless.13:05
timeless_monkey forget hildon13:06
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot hildon13:06
timeless_monkey hildon is a tablet desktop framework,
_MonkeyOK, timeless.13:06
timelesssilly bot, passive learning is bad13:06
robtaylorTili: hildon is part of the mameo platform13:06
robtaylor_Monkey: hildon is also a standard part of the maemo platform13:07
_Monkeyokay, robtaylor.13:07
robtaylorwhat is hildon13:07
_Monkeyhildon is a tablet desktop framework, or a standard part of the maemo platform13:07
timelessrobtaylor "is also" is your friend13:07
robtaylortimeless: thats what i said, diddle i?13:08
timelesssorry, misread13:08
robtaylor'is also' = or? 'is' = and?13:08
timelessis => a |=13:08
timelessis => a ||=13:09
timelessis also => a |=13:09
timelessis will not do anything (or it will error) if there's a value13:09
timelessis also, adds the or and tail13:09
timeless_monkey hildon is confusing13:10
_Monkey...but hildon is a tablet desktop framework, or a standard part of the maemo platform...13:10
timelesshildon is really confusing13:10
robtaylor_Monkey: forget hildon13:10
_Monkeyrobtaylor: I forgot hildon13:10
timelessnote that infobots also support (kinda) =~ s/foo/bar/13:10
robtaylor_Monkey: hildon is a tablet desktop framework, and a standard part of the maemo platform13:10
_MonkeyOK, robtaylor.13:10
timelessso you could have done hildon =~ s/or a/and a/13:11
robtaylormeh, stupid _Monkey13:11
robtaylortimeless: nice :)13:11
timeless(note that infobots don't appreciate leading/trailing whitespace in regexps)13:11
inzDo they support regexps?13:11
inzI thought they only supported string replacement13:12
timelessinz: the syntax is designed to look like perl re13:12
timelessbut yeah it's substrings13:12
timelesswell, i suppose arguably sed stream editor replacing, but even that's regexp based..13:12
inz*sniff* ;)13:12
inzDoes sed have =~ -operator?13:13
timelesshrm, no :)13:14
timelessso it's perl13:14
timeless% ssh -p 6033 dh13:14
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timeless% rsync -avrh -e 'ssh -p 6033' sardine-20070531 dh:mxr-root/13:15
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timelessAdd correct host key in /export/home/timeless/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.13:15
timelesswhat am i doing wrong w/ my rsync? :(13:15
Cegyhi can someone can someone tell me if OS2007HE for the 770 is easy to install on a windows pc ?13:15
timelesscegy: flashing is flashing13:16
Cegyso its simple then?13:16
timelessthe flasher app doesn't really understand or care what it's flashing13:16
timelessas simple as flashing w/ anything else13:16
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Cegyoh ok do u know where i can get the lastest os2007 for the 770 from?13:17
timelessdunno :)13:17
Cegyoh ok but do u know if i update it to 2007 would i be able to downgrade it back down to 2006 if i want?13:18
timelessflashing is flashing13:19
timelessit's 100% destructive13:19
timelessas long as you don't have a brick when you're done, you can flash w/ any other flash image later13:19
Cegyoh thats good then13:19
Cegyso if i brick it its dead aka no good anymore?13:19
Cegyok :)13:19
Cegyam trying to find a good web brownser aswell but most of them crash which is crap13:20
Cegyany idea's on wat i can use?13:20
robtaylorCegy: webkit13:20
Cegyis that easy and simple as am new to it13:21
Tilisorry to interrupt but what are u guys talking about installing OS2007 on  PC?13:22
Tiliu mean tablet PC?13:22
Cegyit doesn't matter13:22
timelesstili: installing /from/13:22
Cegybut it was for the 77013:22
Tilioh ok13:22
guardiantimeless: remember my question about removing debug messages at compile time, well G_DEBUG_DISABLE seems to be gone from glib headers :)13:23
_Monkeybonjour, timeless13:24
timelesshrm, wait13:24
timelessi still have it as of last week in glib/gmessages.h13:25
guardiani'm not that up to date in my headers13:25
guardianbut it's not into my scratchbox nor my ubuntu headers13:25
timelessi have weeks from last week going back about a year13:25
timelesslemme see if i'm a week out of date13:26
Cegyis there any web browser for the 770 that doesn't crash or have any memory buffer problems?13:26
timelesscegy: links?13:26
timelessmaybe telnet?13:26
Cegyits shit as i can't use the with the virtual keybroard13:27
maddlermorning all13:29
timelesswhich doesn't work w/ the vkb?13:29
_Monkeyi think links2 is a lightweight graphical web browser (non-hildon)
Cegyits crap on how both minimo and the internal web browser is a bug or something because it crash by itseld13:32
* timeless throws a dozen parsing errors @cegy13:34
timelessuse fewer curses, use better English, use a real example, preferably a testcase13:35
Cegywell u must be daft if u don't know that theres a bug in both of them due to some memory buffer problem i think it becasue when i use it for like 20-30mins it close it self off for no reason13:36
timelesshow many windows do you use?13:37
timeless10 or 20?13:37
Cegyonly 2 if that13:37
Cegyjust say13:37
timelessok, flash enabled?13:38
Cegyto make it easyer for u a picture site use a lot of memeory i guess so it might be that but i don't know13:38
Cegyyeah it should be13:38
Okkoi can has longer times13:38
timelesshave you considered disabling flash and browsing for a whlie?13:38
Tiliwhat would be solution for this13:38
Tiliconfigure: error: The Motif include file 'Xm/Xm.h' could not be found.13:38
infobottimeless meant: have you considered disabling flash and browsing for a while?13:38
Cegyno y?13:38
timelessperhaps you'll find the browser crashes less?13:39
timelesstili: i don't think maemo has motify support :)13:39
Tilioh sorry, ya it was on DDD13:39
Tilii thought i was compiling maemo. retard alert!!!!!!!!13:39
timelessi hope you aren't trying to build ddd *in* scratchbox13:40
Tilino its not in scratchbox13:40
timelesswhat distro?13:40
timelessyou'll probably need to get motif/lesstif dev headers or something13:41
timelessat which point you might as well ask your distro to get you ddd too13:41
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cosmoanyone got suggestions what i should try to port to maemo?14:05
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Jaffacosmo: A mind/concept-mapping utility or something like EPOC's Jotter (Maemopad+ isn't quite what I want)14:11
cosmoi haven't used jotter.. can you name some suitable implementation?14:13
bergieport of TomBoy would be cool14:13
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cosmoi think it looks quite complex. i'd like to first port something more simpler14:15
cosmoUAE might be fun14:16
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Jaffacosmo: UAE'll be hard to do well, as you'll want/need to do some ARM optimisations etc. Also, different hardware key mappings for different games.14:39
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_MonkeyGuten Tag, sbaturzio!14:55
sbaturzio_Monkey: Ciao14:55
_Monkeysbaturzio: huh?14:55
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rtcmhi, anyone here has successfully installed and ran scratchbox for  maemo development on F7 ?14:57
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rtcmthere seems to be an issue with a kernel config COMPAT_VDSO14:57
inzIt should be "fixable" run-time14:58
rtcmI tried to rebuild the kernel with that option  enabled but it hangs on boot...14:58
inzWith some maghic /proc or /sys -entry14:58
rtcminz do you happen to know which exctly or have a link?14:59
inzrtcm, echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso14:59
rtcminz: yhea but the fedora kernel doesn't have that entry..15:01
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_Monkeyque tal, keesj15:43
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GathajaI tried to setup usb networking and now the device just keeps rebooting. Is there anything else than reflash to do?16:24
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trevarthanHey, I just installed the new SIP functionality for the new firmware on my n800. Trying to connect to an asterisk PBX. I can make outgoing calls, but nobody can call me and my n800 isn't registered with the asterisk server. Any ideas?17:00
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Tilihow much space does Maemo take with scratchbox included?17:12
Tiliit ate 2.2G and now i have nothing left on that partition17:12
timelessheh :)17:12
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timelesstimeless@tinderbox:/scratchbox/users/timeless/targets/x86$ du -s -h .17:20
timeless1.1G    .17:20
timelesskinda depends what you put in your box, i suppose17:21
timelessthat's a box running some debian flavor17:21
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Tiliyeah it is debian on vmware17:23
timelessi think officially i'm using an "i386-minimaldev-rootstrap"17:24
timelessi don't know if such an animal officially exists17:24
timelessin which case, i might be cheating17:24
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inztimeless, it's a shame it doesn't17:24
inztimeless, and, indeed, you are cheating ;)17:25
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timelesswhoops :)17:28
trevarthanWhen I try to connect to my asterisk server using my n800, I get a registration error:
trevarthanany ideas on that anyone?17:28
N800Subscription Does Not Exist17:29
timelessare you using the osso sip stuff?17:29
timelessthey had issues w/ it and wondered why skype "just worked" :)17:29
inzmy /scratchbox takes 15 G17:29
timelessthey're certainly fairly concerned about it :)17:30
trevarthanskype isn't interesting to me. I need SIP.17:30
X-Fade_timeless: Skype, by no means, just works..17:30
timelessx-fade: *shrug*, dtmf or whatever seems to work in skype17:30
timelessand atm, i'm having enough trouble making normal calls w/ my normal cell phone17:30
mgedmininz: if you do 'du /scratchbox' you get the size counted twice, because it's bind-mounted inside itself17:30
timelessmy parents get an echo of themselves w/o hearing me at all17:31
timelessimagine trying that a few times17:31
X-Fade_timeless: I got the program in a logon -> crash loop on the first time I logged in. Others seem to have that too.17:31
timeless(that's a normal phone, not skype/n800/googletalk/gizmo/...)17:31
timelessx-fade: nice17:31
X-Fade_timeless: And some calls get disconnected at the same call length..17:31
N800I have 2 sip accounts setup..17:32
N800both work17:32
N800incoming outgoing17:32
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N800open the port trevarthan, if you are behind a router17:32
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trevarthanN800: which port? We're using SIP phone with this wifi network already to the same machine, so everything should be open.17:34
trevarthanN800: your accounts are to an asterisk machine?17:34
trevarthanwhat are they connecting to?17:35
N800don't really know.17:35
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N800freedigits & freecalls.17:35
N8001 allows me to recieve calls for free17:35
N800and the other to make them17:36
N800well both allow to make call for free17:36
inzmgedmin, and with three users, make that 4, so just over 2 gigs is more accurate17:36
timelessin case people want an old reference of sardine17:36
inzmgedmin, s/over/under/17:36
Spakmanhello - does anyone here know anything about the Ruby-Maemo binding? Can I create home desktop widgets with it?17:36
inzSpakman, I would guess not -- at least not until chinook17:37
Spakmanthanks inz17:37
Spakmanwhy is that?17:37
inzSpakman, chinook will use the hildon-desktop, which will make it techincally possible17:39
inzSpakman, with maemo-af-desktop, I think it would require some major hacks17:40
SpakmanOK, thanks for the clarification inz17:40
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trevarthanN800: they're helping me on #telepathy. :) yay for open source and IRC.17:55
Jaffainz: with maemo-af-desktop you could use Gtk's embedding thing (i.e. as used in desktop panels etc.) to have a panel contain something controlled by another process; then a lightweight C veneer.17:55
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inzJaffa, that is what I meant by "major hacks" ;)17:57
inzJaffa, the worst thing is, that if using GtkPlug/Socket, the key events go straight to the applet if it has focus, the desktop cannot see them anymore17:58
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Toma-is there a way to ditch hildon?18:03
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Jaffainz: :)18:05
JaffaToma-: yes, people have KDE running, or WindowMaker etc.18:06
Toma-im gonna get e17 running18:06
Toma-ill get to hackin then18:06
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N800trevarthan, the theme, having issues....the ok and cancel do i change the color for those 2 options?18:10
N800trevarthan, nvm18:11
N800the transparency changes i did 2 the backgound of the whole theme fixed that18:12
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trevarthanN800: be careful with transparency. Make sure you aren't using an alpha channel. We're strictly using colorkeys for speed.18:15
trevarthan(and memory consumption for that matter)18:15
N800i not using transparency...i was having issues with the pink background..18:20
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N800in the png file..18:20
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N800pieces of the pink would get picked up.18:20
N800so i ended up getting rid of the pink color.18:20
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whaq_pink n800??18:23
N800getting rid of the play pause next and previous...have to come up with some icon ideas...I'm about to head downtown, hopefully i can come up with some ideas..18:23
trevarthanN800: stop using antialiasing if you don't want pink to show up.18:25
N800i figured out what to do already..18:26
N800all i have to dl now is chchange your icons..18:26
trevarthanN800: are you unique311?18:26
N800actually the back and exit, minor changes18:27
N800now as for the play pause ,etc18:27
N800unknown icon also..18:27
N800give that a facelift18:27
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trevarthan:) n800 SIP <-> asterisk  doesn't work too well yet. They're looking at it. Works until the second registration, then stops.18:37
N800get a free number from freedigits till then..18:38
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disqhey all18:40
trevarthanhowdy disq.18:40
disqtrevarthan: #telepathy? btw got reply for osso.playback.manager in maemo-devel, happy18:40
trevarthanyeah. #telepathy. rtcomm SIP doesn't play nice with asterisk. we're debugging. I'm the guine pig.18:42
disqah. the new firmware. right :)18:42
Toma- <---just a mockup of what it can do :)18:44
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trevarthanHere's the SIP <-> asterisk bug report:
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disqi'm reading about in wikipedia, as a long morning reading :P18:51
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pupnikToma want image18:51
pupniknice lookin18:52
NeoStriderdisq..where is nothing to read about18:52
NeoStriderjust listen to it!18:52
NeoStriderit rocks!18:53
Toma-thanks. just a matter of getting onboard the on screen keyboard to bind to a HW button18:53
pupnikwhich button did you choose?18:53
Toma-i havent built it yet :(18:54
Toma-need to port it over, but it works18:54
Toma-the layout at least18:54
Toma-so the theory is all there, just a matter of making it happen :)18:54
pupnikthe widget/icon design on enlightenment is nice imo18:55
Toma-it can all be run quite easily on single clicks aswell18:57
Toma-favorites menu pops up on desktop click for instance18:57
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pupnikthe early maemo-developers list is interesting reading19:03 was right there from the beginning.  first game mentioned was... xbill :P19:05
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pupnikmay 200519:06
disqback then the IT2005 was butt ugly slow19:08
disqand the apps were installed in /var/lib/install19:08
pupnikwhen did you start with maemo?19:08
disqearly 2006 i think19:08
disqmy friend showed me his 770 (and he was just using it for ebooks) and i was hooked (well. an xterm is enough to get me hooked)19:09
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pupniklol 'crazy parking' built June 200519:13
Jaffapupnik: some of us read it at the time :)19:14
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pupnikhahaha first emulator mentioned June 200519:15
AD-N770pupnik, my first release of nethack port was february, 12, 200619:16
pupnikit is an honor to chat with the elders! :)19:16
timelesshello world19:17
AD-N770and I bought the 770 just for read ebooks too :)19:17
timelessis it possible to talk to a GPS device using TCP/IP instead of Bluetooth?19:17
disqif you have a gps device that talks tcp/ip, then sure. you'd need to wrap around or patch or generate signals for gpsd tho19:18
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AD-N770and it's the main use for my n800 now19:18
timelessare there such devices?19:18
disqah. no, there aren't. :P19:19
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disqit wouldn't be useful anyway, if you establish a adhoc connection then you'd have to establish regular net connectivity via bt or usbnet since you can't use the wifi for two things (do adhoc connections work p2mp?)19:20
disqhow are the browser affairs going? :)19:20
timelessi've written blog entry #219:21
timelessi'm trying to figure out how to write blog entry #119:21
timelesswhich is a bit of a problem, how does one write about a cat that's already out of the bag while pretending to annoucne it?19:22
timelessactually, i'm also reading a thesis someone wrote19:22
timelessit's good to see not many additional complaints19:22
timelessare people using it?19:22
* timeless was supposed to ask for download stats19:22
pupnikheh first mention of maemo on OMAP2420 was June 2005 by Komal Shah19:23
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pupnikpeople using what?19:24
* pupnik puts on curious hat19:24
disqi'm not using it much, didn't yet get around to solving the oh my fonts are all in times new roman issue19:25
disqbut if a site bugs me, doesn't work, etc. instead of launching minimo i try microb and it usually works19:25
timelessat one point we had hard coded all fonts to a single face19:25
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timelessi wonder if we fixed that19:25
pupnikis it available for 770/it2006?19:26
timelesswell, good to see we're at least squeezing competition out of the market :)19:26
timelesspupnik: it's open source, someone could try to rebuild it19:26
timelesswe've talked about it and haven't quite figured out the rules19:26
timelessatm you need 2007se419:27
timeless(or you can use instructions on to use 2007se3)19:27
disqthe rules?19:27
pupnikok i am sure someone will do it19:27
timelesshrm, did i say that aloud?19:27
timelessok, well, i use it on se3 :)19:28
pupnik  looks easy :P19:28
timelessit isn't :)19:28
timelessgetting quilt, bc, and something else are actually painful19:28
pupniki need quilt :/19:29
pupnikwhere can i get these deps for my scratchbox pls19:29
timelessadd a debian repo :)19:29
pupnikit is horrible19:29
timelessdb48x might have sent me instructions19:29
pupnikit is like the fracral branches of a tree that you have to walk to build19:30
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Vertoolol, pupnik, i have been playing with the host file for like 20 min. i did vi -h but its limited, and there is no man command on my terminal ? how should i go about editing it?19:43
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MikhoHello, does anybody know how to find out what my display adapter is in ubuntu?19:48
Mikhofrom the console, as x can't start yet19:48
MikhoTried to look inside the machine but the display adapter has absolutely no labels anywhere19:48
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koenMikaT: lspci should give a model number19:52
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pupniktwo years later and nobody has matched nokia for the 770 (and n800)20:05
trevarthanhmmmm.... I guess DTMF doesn't work with rtcomm SIP either?20:07
||cwpupnik: it's seen as a niche market.  competitors are either making msart phones or UMPC's, the nokia's fall in the middle somewhere20:08
pupnikwe need to convince more people they need a nokia tablet20:11
pupnik'need' of course :)20:11
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AD-N770see u tomorrow20:14
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celestehgive them away free ;)20:15
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Vertoohey pupnik; im hopeless lol. i cant figure out how to edit the host file at all lol. i did vi -h but its barely any help and tjere is no man command on here?20:21
||cwVertoo: what's -h do20:21
||cwvi /etc/hosts and go at it20:21
pupnikadding sites to block by hand would be a lot of work20:22
Vertoo-h is help. i cant figure out the vi editor. it wont let my edit the file20:23
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pupnikvi takes a while to learn20:25
||cwpress i, type, ESC 2 times, :wq20:25
pupnikthere's some lists20:25
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J_Phi all20:25
J_Panyone know if Kiwi are working (tested) on maemo 2007 ?20:26
whaq_Is Kiwi a wiki variant?20:27
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J_Pwhaq_: not is this :
Vertoobut vi wont let me edit the hosts file. it opens a read only version20:30
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pupnikinsanity -- a snes emu (w/o) sound was ported to GBA with a 32-bit 16.7mhz ARM cpu.20:31
whaq_cool, that's useful20:32
||cwVertoo: did you gainroot yet?20:36
disqhuh. eth0 is found and registered at boot time but then after logging in there's no eth020:44
disqany ideas?20:44
disq(not the n800, no)20:44
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Sulisdisq: on what is that?20:47
disqdebian, vmware20:47
disqdebian/testing (lenny now i think)20:47
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trevarthanAnyone know if python's "twisted" framework is available for maemo?20:48
Sulisand ifconfig -a shows nothing?20:48
Sulisexcept lo, i assume20:48
devtrevarthan: it is20:49
disqit was registered as eth2. silly me, didn't think of ifconfig -a20:49
trevarthandev: got a link?20:50
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devtrevarthan: robtaylor has the debs here
trevarthank. thanks.20:52
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trevarthandisq: I just noticed that I see loading triangles when I launch kagu. When did you fix that? Or is that just my new firmware?20:54
disqloading triangles?20:55
disqlet me launch20:55
trevarthanyup. when an app loads, you see the triangles, you know?20:55
disqah, yeah. i fixed that a hundred revs ago :)20:55
trevarthanhmmm... maybe you only fixed it for the new firmware. It still wasn't working yesterday.20:56
disqdid you have kagu.deb installed on the older firmware?20:56
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disqmm. the old firmware was broken then20:56
trevarthanI kept updating it every day or two20:56
disqthe triangles also work in my 77021:00
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whaq_Has anyone had damaged SD problem with 770/n800?21:02
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pupnikno but my camera has read errors after dropping it21:05
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whaq_dropping it... in the N800?21:07
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pupnikdo you have the same problem with a different sd card?21:08
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whaq_No, I'm still waiting for a pair of N800 to be shipped my way..21:11
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pupniki'm still waiting for 1920x1080 stereo VR glasses with 90-degree field-of-view21:14
roopeLike that one guy in Stak Trek TNG.21:15
zeenixroope: you la'forge?21:15
zeenixs/you/you mean/21:15
infobotzeenix meant: roope: you mean la'forge?21:15
roope  that's the future i want to be living in.21:17
zeenixi wonder how did they control the ships, especially in a battle with only that two dimentional screen21:18
roopepressure for Z-axis.21:18
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pupnik  this has 800x600, which is pretty decent21:18
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roopei tried one of those once. it gives motion sickness, because of the delay.21:19
pupnik1 kilodollar though21:20
pupnikthe last one i tried was in 1990 :)21:20
roopeBut you can use it for a while before it kicks in.21:20
pupnikwhich did you try?21:20
kulveMoRpHeUz: btw. I upgrade to svn trunk and got the gms live streaming to work too. With mencoder. It's very slow to start up, so I think mplayer (or mainly other players) may give up before the stream actually starts21:20
kulveMoRpHeUz: what's gmencoder?21:20
roopeNokia had one for testing. Don't remember the brand name.21:21
roopeit wasn't really good, frankly.21:21
MoRpHeUzkulve: to avoid this "timeout" problem while using mencoder, just use mplayer with the "-nocache" option and it'll work =)21:21
kulveyeah, I noticed.21:22
MoRpHeUzkulve: gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho21:22
MoRpHeUzit just uses gstreamer to encode stuff21:22
MoRpHeUzit's like a wrapper21:22
kulveI would like to try ogg/theora/vorbis stream, but mencoder doesn't do ogg..21:22
MoRpHeUzkulve: if you want to implement another plugin... =P21:22
kulvewouldn't gmencoder be able to encode to anything gstreamer supports..?21:23
zeenixkulve: mencoder uses gst?21:25
kulvezeenix: afaik, no, it doesn't..21:25
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kulvebut I understood gmencoder does use it..21:25
zeenix"Gmencoder is a gnome-2 front-end to mplayer/mencoder."21:26
milhouseitt forums down?21:26
kulvezeenix: what about the MoRpHeUz's comment "gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho"21:26
pupniknot refreshing here21:26
kulveI think there are two gmencoders..?21:26
zeenixkulve: seems so :(21:26
milhousepupnik - thanks, bummer... just in the middle of a reply21:27
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MoRpHeUzzeenix: hhmm21:27
MoRpHeUzthe gmencoder provided by the gmyth package only uses gstreamer21:27
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zeenixMoRpHeUz: google finds:
zeenixand it's been there since 2003 :)21:28
MoRpHeUzzeenix: definitely it's not the one that I'm talking about =P hehe...21:28
zeenixat least21:28
MoRpHeUzbad internal name...our fault..21:29
zeenixbut i wonder why people can't do a simple google search before they name their projects21:29
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trevarthanzeenix: devs typically aren't PR people.21:31
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zeenixtrevarthan: ? google search is used more by devs than PR people, afaik21:33
trevarthanzeenix: you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.21:33
zeenixtrevarthan: nope! i wasn't talking to you so you shouldn't talk to me either if you think so21:35
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admgeckoevening everyone21:46
kulveMoRpHeUz: hmm.. But I wonder why the gmencoder doesn't find any audio elements.. gst-inspect finds them from my prefix after I set GST_PLUGIN_PATH accordingly..21:46
admgeckoim after a little advice, ive just bought a nokia 770 with a 1gb rs-mmc card from expansys, and it should come this week21:47
admgeckobut i am wondering, what are they must have apps, and can i store them on my 1gb memory card? can i format is as jffs2? can i mount it and install apps onto it? im really thinking ssh on this thing could be awsome21:48
pupnikyes, no, yes, no21:49
mgedminadmgecko: "must have" apps depend on each person, I guess21:49
MoRpHeUzrenatofilho_: can you help kulve with this ? gmencoder is not working correctly on his machine....21:49
mgedminFBReader is a must-have app for me21:49
mgedminas well as panelclock and load-applet21:49
mgedminMaemo Mapper is quite popular21:49
mgedminCanola is pretty21:49
mgedminno, you can't store apps on the memory card21:50
pupnikif you like linux you will be happy21:50
mgedminno, you can't format the memory card as jffs221:50
MoRpHeUzrenatofilho_: ?21:50
mgedminyou don't need to mount it by hand, it's mounted automatically21:50
mgedminagain, no, you can't install apps onto it21:50
kulverenatofilho_: compiled with /usr/local/something -prefix21:50
admgecko:D im thinking about using it for ssh into my servers (so ssh, bash, grep, less etc), vnc, rdesktop, mplayer, gaim?21:50
mgedminyou can get ssh installed on the 770 after some trouble21:50
mgedminyou can also use it as an ssh client21:50
kulverenatofilho_: I don't actually have now much time to debug this, but I'll bug you some other time with this.. :)21:51
admgeckoim hoping it can replace the little compaq n400c i use for surfing and messaging an ssh when im watching tv21:51
pupnikadmgecko: ssh and vnc and rdesktop and some vpns work21:51
mgedminI suggest you look at the application catalog on (filter for IT OS 2006)21:51
pupnikadmgecko: but get a bluetooth keyboard21:51
||cwand gaim/pidgeon21:51
admgeckoso, what can i store on the rs-mmc cards, if i can store apps, can i boot off it?21:52
mgedminthe 770/N800 is a pocketable laptop replacement, but it's not a very convenient laptop replacement21:52
MoRpHeUzkulve: I'll try to ping him..21:52
mgedminactually, you can install an alternative os into the mmc card and boot of it21:52
mgedminnormal people keep music, books, videos, maps on the card21:52
kulveMoRpHeUz: I'll get back to it some other day..21:52
MoRpHeUzkulve: thanks for the tests! =)21:53
admgeckoand use the full 1gb for apps and stuff?21:53
kulveI can try debugging it a bit myself first..21:53
kulveMoRpHeUz: no problem :)21:53
pupnikadmgecko: you will be surprised how little space you need on the root fs21:53
mgedminapps are small21:53
zyxulnag1ssh is fairly easy to install on the 770, just apt-get install ssh21:54
admgeckocool, can it talk to my upnp mp3 server?21:54
mgedminzyxulnag1: but you need root for that, which is not21:54
mgedminvery easy to get21:54
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mgedmin(sorry for the line break in the middle)21:54
zyxulnag1well yeah easy is relative I guess21:54
admgeckoit seems it can, i was looking on, but the site has stoped working for me (my isp are crap)21:54
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unique311disq i'm missing my shuffle and normal icons...where they implimented in this release?22:00
unique311notice the sprite png has them..22:01
disqthey're not implemented :/22:03
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* pupnik cases 'Summon OpenGL Drivers'22:05
||cwgood luck with that22:10
unique311pupnik, hows the psx coming22:14
unique311disq, still working on the theme...1 problem22:15
disqtrev knows the theme business :)22:15
pupnikneed a simpler bin/iso loader22:16
unique311i'm trying to make the "text big sel" rounded...22:16
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unique311but when i try out the them..there's a round is there, but then if you really look you see the square edges in white22:17
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unique311looking at the code..theirs not way to call the create tables and make them round.22:18
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trevarthanunique311: you need transparency to do rounded corners.22:31
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trevarthanThe colorkey (i.e. transparency pixel/color) comes from the bottom right most pixel in sprites.png.22:32
admgeckoi got cut off :( stupid laptop battery22:32
trevarthanIf you can't get it working, send us an email with your diff for the bounding rectangles and your sprites.png and we'll see if we can fix it.22:32
unique311i have a descent theme.  just got home..22:33
unique311let me make minor changes...22:33
trevarthanyeah, I'm still at work, slaving away..22:34
admgeckowhat is red-pill mode? r+d mode?22:35
_Monkeyi heard becomeroot was For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot"22:36
pupnikhmm that should really link to the wiki22:36
admgeckoim just the n800 that much better than the 770, its like 150 quid more expensive?22:40
admgeckoor is that just cos its newer22:41
pupnik770 is being sold at close-out prices, it's a steal22:41
admgeckoyeah, i just bought one at expansys, 70 quid, bargin, but im just wondering, whats the diffrence, and is that n800 worth the extra?22:43
garrettI saw some random dude on the subway this morning with a 77022:43
garrettI guess he was using fbreader, as he was reading it sideways22:43
garrettit was pretty cool to see it out in the wild again (I see people with the 770 and n800 from time to time around here)22:43
pupnikcan't answer that admgecko22:43
pupnikwhere is that garrett ?22:44
admgeckoive been reading reviews + faqs about it all day (when i should be working) im a sucker for a new toy :D22:44
pupnikyeah i've been obsessing about the 770 for 8 months now22:45
garrettpupnik: in the Boston area22:45
garrettbut there are a higher number of geeks around here than most of the US22:45
garrettso it makes sense22:45
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admgeckoi had a zarus a while back, was great, but my dad borrowed it when his ipaq broke and i havent seen it since22:47
disq_Monkey: redpill mode is at
_MonkeyOK, disq.22:47
disq_Monkey: redpill mode?22:47
_Monkeyredpill mode is at
admgeckoi cant wait till i get mine, im thinking im / web infront of the tv (pretty lazy, my tv has Windows Media Centre on it :-p)22:49
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pupniki keep away from the sites with evil nasty javascript22:51
pupnikalso walking around with kismet talking to your earphone with flite is great for finding open wifi spots22:52
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admgeckoit runs kismet?22:52
admgeckohow cool is that :D22:52
pupnikyou can check out my ports page while you're surfing
admgeckowhat about sat nav? i have an old blue reciver kicking about22:58
admgeckocan i use that?22:58
pupnikdon't use that23:00
pupnik*i don't23:00
admgeckook, ill grab + install it when my 770 arrives23:00
admgeckoi can run xterm on it, can i run bash, grep, more, nano, all of the basic stuff im used to (im a debian / slackware / mac os x man :D)23:01
pupnikyou do admin for work?23:01
trevarthanThat new mozilla based browser is hecka better than opera.23:02
admgeckoim a server admin at a utility company23:02
trevarthanJust had to install it today because my work's web site kept crashing opera. Mozilla pulled it first try.23:02
pupnikhow is speed/memory use?23:03
db48xtimeless: I never sent it, it kept failing to send to your address23:14
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qgilmaddler: ping23:22
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unique311trevarthan, the bluetooth icons..light blue is for?23:38
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trevarthanunique311: light blue = off, dark blue = on23:42
unique311k, i found the colorkey23:42
trevarthan:) I didn't explain it well enough before?23:43
unique311i see 2 pixels.23:43
_Monkeyrumour has it 2 is kernel23:43
unique3111 gray 1 blue23:43
trevarthanshut up monkey23:43
trevarthanno, the colorkey is the lower right most pixel. It's pink in the original theme.23:44
trevarthancolorkey = transparency pixel23:44
trevarthanunique311: what line of the code are you looking at, and which file?23:45
unique311i did a search for color key...and yeah it is pink.23:46
trevarthanwhere were you getting gray and blue? what line?23:46
unique311on the png itself.23:47
trevarthanyou can see line numbers here:
unique311i'm confused..lol23:47
trevarthan:) np.23:47
unique311line 25523:47
unique311so all ihave to do is change the color key to the background color i'm using.23:48
unique311and cheating transparency happens.23:48
trevarthanI'm not sure what you mean. The lower right pixel in sprites.png defines the transparency pixel.23:48
unique311you sent me the email..23:49
trevarthanChange that pixel, and something different will be used for the colorkey.23:49
_Monkeytrevarthan: that doesn't look right23:49
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trevarthanshut up monkey!23:49
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unique311ok i got that part...23:49
trevarthanso what are you confused about?23:50
unique311i got rid of the pink...because i was having issues with it before..23:50
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unique311now i know a little more..23:50
* pupnik has issues with pink too23:50
trevarthanpink is my favorite color. :)23:50
unique311so if my lower right pixel is light blue...the color key has to change in the source correct?23:51
trevarthanthe source should stay the same.23:51
trevarthanthe colorkey is pulled from the sprites.png and distributed dynamically through the source.23:51
trevarthanSo... if you find a place where it needs to change, you're either doing something wrong, or you've found a bug.23:52
unique311so let me check out ion the device...23:52
unique311i think it is using the new color which is white...23:52
unique311and that is not working with the gradient i'm using.23:52
trevarthanyeah, that's why I used pink. You'll never have pink in your theme, unless it's girly.23:53
unique311i'll figure it out eventually23:53
trevarthanso it makes a perfect color key. you don't want something that will appear in gradients by accident.23:53
unique311might revert it back to pink...23:53
trevarthanyeah, probably a good idea.23:54
trevarthan   line 34 is where the colorkey is pulled from sprites.png from the lower right corner, BTW.23:55
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pupniktrevarthan: that's cool.  i like people who pink different :P23:56
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trevarthan"Pink is my favorite color":
trevarthandecidedly, un-gay23:58
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pupnikthey're still touring23:59
disqpink is my msn text color23:59

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