| pupnik | yes i read the developer thread by ssvb | 00:00 |
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| pupnik | so it was interesting that N800 was faster with smc | 00:00 |
| NeoStrider | you guys told me about the swirl effect on smw...it was actually quite smooth | 00:01 |
| pupnik | swirl effect slows down gameplay here | 00:01 |
| NeoStrider | smc has much more logic than pure graphics | 00:01 |
| pupnik | fps drops below 15 | 00:01 |
| NeoStrider | its very graphic wise, right? | 00:01 |
| pupnik | i don't know the answer | 00:02 |
| NeoStrider | (smw wasnt any slower than n800 on that video...shocking =-) ) | 00:02 |
| pupnik | i get about 50 fps on smw | 00:02 |
| NeoStrider | take a look at this: | 00:04 |
| NeoStrider | http://forum.nokia.com/main/technical_services/usability/games_usability_guidelines.html | 00:04 |
| NeoStrider | might be useful | 00:04 |
| pupnik | nice | 00:05 |
| N800 | don't know if anyone suggested this. | 00:07 |
| N800 | but if we drop the res on the game don't fps increase.. | 00:07 |
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| N800 | smc is at 800x480.. | 00:07 |
| N800 | drop it down to 640x400 might be beneficial | 00:07 |
| pupnik | maybe +3 fps | 00:08 |
| NeoStrider | maybe | 00:08 |
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| pupnik | i tested it | 00:08 |
| NeoStrider | but it will be ugly | 00:08 |
| NeoStrider | and may bring usability issues | 00:08 |
| N800 | found another game..working on maemo.. | 00:08 |
| NeoStrider | about system interaction | 00:08 |
| NeoStrider | what game, N800? | 00:08 |
| N800 | i have at least 4 to try out. but 2morrow..i'm going to work on them and package | 00:08 |
| N800 | kobodeluxe.. | 00:09 |
| NeoStrider | pacman? | 00:09 |
| N800 | looking for a pacman game | 00:09 |
| N800 | but any game that performs in fullscreen and descent fps is good for maemo | 00:10 |
| N800 | i guess | 00:10 |
| NeoStrider | smw ;-) | 00:15 |
| N800 | oh thats a fun game | 00:17 |
| N800 | you will like | 00:17 |
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| NeoStrider | I also like defendguin | 00:22 |
| pupnik | template works fine here :/ | 00:23 |
| NeoStrider | template? | 00:23 |
| NeoStrider | anyone watching the pan-american gameS? | 00:24 |
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| NeoStrider | s/gameS/games/ | 00:24 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: anyone watching the pan-american games? | 00:24 |
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| trevarthan | smw just moves two, maybe 4 sprites around the screen. that's why it's so fast. | 00:24 |
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| trevarthan | I love their transitions and fades though. I need to learn how to do that for Kagu. | 00:25 |
| trevarthan | they both use SDL, I think. | 00:25 |
| NeoStrider | but the [?] boxes also have animation | 00:25 |
| NeoStrider | and the brick boxes | 00:25 |
| trevarthan | very little | 00:25 |
| trevarthan | it's not a side scroller. | 00:25 |
| trevarthan | The background doesn't move. | 00:25 |
| NeoStrider | I did a very simple fade with SDL_gfx | 00:25 |
| trevarthan | how'd you do it? | 00:25 |
| NeoStrider | static void FadeToBlack() | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | { | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | int c=8; | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | while (c--) | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | { | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,64); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),800,480,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,64); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | SDL_Delay(30); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | SDL_UpdateRect(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,0); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | } | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | PaintItBlack(); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | } | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | ugly, but works well | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | static void PaintItBlack() | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | { | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,255); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),800,480,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,255); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | SDL_UpdateRect(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,0); | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | } | 00:26 |
| pupnik | use a pastebin.ca for code please | 00:26 |
| NeoStrider | whats that? | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | so... you're basically just painting a progressively darker alpha surface on over the screen? | 00:26 |
| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca to paste code and show it to ppl - very useful | 00:27 |
| NeoStrider | yes, thevarthan | 00:27 |
| NeoStrider | I discovered it acidentally | 00:27 |
| NeoStrider | while doing the trails for the bikes in angstron | 00:28 |
| NeoStrider | I will use it | 00:28 |
| NeoStrider | thanks | 00:28 |
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| trevarthan | I might give that a try in pygame. Looks easy enough. | 00:28 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...on 770 its passable | 00:29 |
| NeoStrider | not as good as in desktop, but works | 00:29 |
| NeoStrider | and its easy =-) | 00:30 |
| trevarthan | Hey pupnik: do you know of a good ROM choosing interface for snes9x/zsnes/etc under normal linux? KDE/Gnome/etc? | 00:30 |
| NeoStrider | is "dialog" available to maemo? | 00:30 |
| trevarthan | I've been using mythgame, but I can't on this one computer because zsnes segfaults when run over SSH for some reason. | 00:30 |
| NeoStrider | someone could do a hildon-dialog =-) | 00:30 |
| pupnik | how the f*ck do i use load-applet-run? | 00:31 |
| NeoStrider | im still learning the basics of hildon | 00:31 |
| pupnik | there is NO instructions on how to use load-applet-run ANYWHERE | 00:33 |
| pupnik | god damn it | 00:33 |
| NeoStrider | maemo has , in general, some lack of good documentation | 00:34 |
| NeoStrider | and since mildgard, im quite lost | 00:34 |
| pupnik | hm | 00:34 |
| NeoStrider | thats something I would love to help improving | 00:34 |
| NeoStrider | if I only knew how to do things in first place =-P | 00:34 |
| pupnik | the bastard who made that app didn't write ONE WORD of HOWTO | 00:35 |
| N800 | make is outputting errors... | 00:39 |
| NeoStrider | we got another gold medal =-) | 00:39 |
| N800 | but then terminal will not let me scroll up to view the rest of the errors | 00:39 |
| N800 | tried make | less | 00:39 |
| N800 | that didn't work | 00:39 |
| N800 | wtf | 00:39 |
| NeoStrider | and make > log.txt? | 00:39 |
| N800 | doesn't make one | 00:40 |
| guru3 | because it's using stderr not stdout | 00:41 |
| guru3 | you have to redirect the stream | 00:41 |
| guru3 | i forget how exactly though :/ | 00:42 |
| pupnik | make 2> log.txt | 00:42 |
| disq | is there a way to write a control panel applet in python? normally cp needs .so files for applets | 00:42 |
| Vertoo | anyone got an adblocker for the n800? | 00:42 |
| pupnik | Vertoo: /etc/hosts | 00:42 |
| pupnik | get a host list of ad servers and add them to /etc/hosts and they will be blocked | 00:43 |
| pupnik | sometimes the unix way is the simple way | 00:43 |
| Vertoo | i use adblock plus addon for firefox on my pc's and would like something like that | 00:43 |
| Vertoo | oh. ok | 00:43 |
| Vertoo | can i just add like a .txt file or what? | 00:44 |
| pupnik | oh, you have to reboot the device to get the load-applet-run to appear in the icon bar | 00:44 |
| pupnik | jesus christ. one freaking sentence would have been enough. the guy puts a .deb up on his website and doesn't write one FREAKING sentence about what it is and how to use it | 00:45 |
| NeoStrider | vi is the only text editor available in stock maemo devices? | 00:45 |
| pupnik | maemopad | 00:45 |
| NeoStrider | hum...good point | 00:45 |
| NeoStrider | and console ones? | 00:45 |
| pupnik | vi | 00:45 |
| pupnik | it's part of busybox | 00:45 |
| Vertoo | can i just add like a .txt file or what? | 00:45 |
| NeoStrider | =-( | 00:45 |
| NeoStrider | i would love some nano | 00:46 |
| pupnik | you can get pico or nano | 00:46 |
| Vertoo | pupnik: ^ | 00:46 |
| NeoStrider | how easy would be to port it? | 00:46 |
| pupnik | Vertoo: search around for a hosts file for adblocking and then "cat hosts.txt >> /etc/hosts" where hosts.txt is the name of the adblocker hosts file | 00:47 |
| pupnik | why make a port when one exists | 00:47 |
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| NeoStrider | >> concats? | 00:47 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:47 |
| NeoStrider | "you live, you learn" | 00:48 |
| Vertoo | thx | 00:48 |
| pupnik | ok load-applet-run is the greatest utility ever | 00:51 |
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| NeoStrider | never heard of it | 00:52 |
| pupnik | it lets me run sdl games without menus | 00:52 |
| pupnik | makes a shortcut item to any shell command | 00:53 |
| NeoStrider | its like the "start>run" on windows? | 00:53 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:53 |
| NeoStrider | cool | 00:53 |
| pupnik | but you can make shortcuts for your commands | 00:53 |
| pupnik | and they appear in the menu | 00:53 |
| NeoStrider | but the processor-and-memory-graphs applet doesnt allow that too? | 00:54 |
| pupnik | yes that applet seems to be called load-applet-run | 00:54 |
| pupnik | it's still not a good solution for a vkbd | 00:54 |
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| pupnik | because a fullscreen sdl window covers up the applet | 00:55 |
| NeoStrider | I want to create a vkbd on SDL | 00:55 |
| NeoStrider | to use on my games | 00:55 |
| NeoStrider | my BZK game engine may help me to do it without much to worry | 00:56 |
| pupnik | that's ok, but a keyboard that works with all games and apps would be more useful | 00:56 |
| NeoStrider | maybe I can do it in a way that would be easy to include on other games =-) | 00:56 |
| pupnik | well i can bring up a keyboard that works on top of non-fullscreen sdl games now | 00:57 |
| pupnik | with matchbox-keyboard | 00:57 |
| NeoStrider | its the same hildon apps use? | 00:57 |
| pupnik | no, it's an X keyboard, not a hildon/gtk one | 00:58 |
| pupnik | hold on i make a page for it | 00:58 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 00:58 |
| NeoStrider | you guys saw that webkit SDL port? | 00:59 |
| NeoStrider | a SDL vkbd would be useful for it | 00:59 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html | 01:09 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: matchbox-keyboard is An Xlib/SDL compatible virtual keyboard http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html | 01:10 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 01:10 |
| pupnik | welcome back you chimp! Thanks milhouse | 01:10 |
| milhouse | resurrected an old 10GB disk I had lying around... fingers crossed it holds up :) | 01:10 |
| milhouse | should rebuild the server really... it's a pile of old crap! ;) | 01:11 |
| pupnik | i have to resist the temptation to pollute _monkey with silly responses to one-liners (like "why?") | 01:11 |
| pupnik | or "anybody here?" | 01:12 |
| pupnik | :) | 01:12 |
| milhouse | i won't stop you :) | 01:12 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: "Can I ask a question" is a superflous question. | 01:13 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 01:13 |
| pupnik | Can I ask a question? | 01:14 |
| pupnik | darn | 01:14 |
| pupnik | Can I ask a question | 01:14 |
| NeoStrider | pupnikm Can I ask a question? ;-P | 01:15 |
| NeoStrider | why dont you put some pictures on your website? | 01:15 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: "two words" is a test of quoted responses | 01:15 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 01:15 |
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| pupnik | "two words"? | 01:15 |
| _Monkey | "two words" is a test of quoted responses | 01:15 |
| pupnik | two words | 01:15 |
| pupnik | ahh i get it now | 01:15 |
| milhouse | not sure why it's not learning | 01:15 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget "two words" | 01:15 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot "two words" | 01:15 |
| milhouse | it's seeing your statements... | 01:15 |
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| pupnik | "Can I ask a question"? | 01:16 |
| milhouse | if you want to teach _monkey 1-1, try joining #mvhtest | 01:16 |
| pupnik | neostrider, here's the only pic you need :Phttp://pupnik.de/pics.html | 01:17 |
| NeoStrider | i was just browsing that pic | 01:17 |
| NeoStrider | and thinking | 01:17 |
| NeoStrider | "WTF!?" | 01:17 |
| pupnik | hehe | 01:19 |
| NeoStrider | in the form factor, I guess the 770 is prettier than the n800, but I would change the side buttons to a N-Gage configuration | 01:20 |
| NeoStrider | N-Gage was darn good to play | 01:20 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik | 01:25 |
| NeoStrider | my pms are blocked | 01:25 |
| NeoStrider | but looks nice! | 01:25 |
| NeoStrider | like blades of exile | 01:25 |
| NeoStrider | know this one? | 01:25 |
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| pupnik | yes spiderweb software | 01:26 |
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| NeoStrider | its now GPL | 01:28 |
| NeoStrider | that game is awesome | 01:28 |
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| NeoStrider | (now Im a registered user! \o/) | 01:28 |
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| N800 | NeoStrider, you working on angstron | 01:40 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 01:41 |
| NeoStrider | trying to fix the rendering | 01:41 |
| NeoStrider | so I can design better levels | 01:41 |
| NeoStrider | you like it? | 01:42 |
| N800 | think i might get gltron working | 01:44 |
| N800 | which is tron | 01:44 |
| N800 | know in about 10+ minutes | 01:44 |
| NeoStrider | different approaches | 01:45 |
| NeoStrider | my game is more story driven =-) | 01:45 |
| NeoStrider | and more slow-paced | 01:46 |
| NeoStrider | (partly becouse of the slow engine heheh) | 01:46 |
| N800 | blood sweat and tears behind yours | 01:47 |
| NeoStrider | so...how is it going? | 01:48 |
| N800 | 2 dependencies so far | 01:48 |
| N800 | opengl or mesa and SDL_sound | 01:48 |
| N800 | went with mesa..<--no brainer 3.1 compiled in scratchbox | 01:49 |
| N800 | and now currently compiling SDL_sound | 01:49 |
| NeoStrider | if it doesnt work, try arma | 01:49 |
| N800 | might run into some issues with it.. | 01:49 |
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| N800 | think the only issue i might have is gltron needing a later version of mesa | 01:51 |
| N800 | 3.1 current version is 7.0 i think | 01:51 |
| N800 | thats a stretch | 01:51 |
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| NeoStrider | Armagetron advanced seem to be more updated | 01:52 |
| N800 | sdl_sound compiled | 01:53 |
| NeoStrider | i wonder how will it perform on device | 01:54 |
| NeoStrider | indt folks told me minigl was hellish slow on devices | 01:55 |
| NeoStrider | but I dont know if it was 770 or n800 | 01:55 |
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| NeoStrider | BRB folks | 01:57 |
| NeoStrider | snackk | 01:57 |
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| N800 | compiled | 02:00 |
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| disq | anybody used pymaemo's rpc_async_run() successfully here? i get segfaults trying to read args in the callback func | 02:25 |
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| Vertoo | anyone got some good games for the 800? just looking for something to burn time on the go | 02:29 |
| pupnik_ | they are spread around many websites and repositories | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | name a category of game and i can provide some suggestions | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63763#post63763 << Saving maemo and increasing quality of applications by designing the next-generation Internet Tablet to accomodate a wider variety of uses. | 02:42 |
| Vertoo | rpg and strategy games | 02:48 |
| pupnik | owch | 02:49 |
| pupnik | Well the FCEU NES emulator has a bunch (zelda et al) | 02:50 |
| pupnik | Battle for Wesnoth is available - takes up lots of room | 02:50 |
| pupnik | http://blackax.net/Pub/wesnoth/ | 02:51 |
| NeoStrider | im back | 02:51 |
| NeoStrider | so, N800 did it? | 02:51 |
| pupnik | ? | 02:52 |
| NeoStrider | gltron | 02:52 |
| unique311 | compiled | 02:52 |
| unique311 | cannot run | 02:52 |
| NeoStrider | worked? | 02:52 |
| NeoStrider | why? | 02:52 |
| unique311 | x11 is not configured for the the opengl chip | 02:53 |
| unique311 | something to that affect | 02:53 |
| NeoStrider | yeah, but software rendering? | 02:54 |
| unique311 | tried | 02:54 |
| unique311 | same error | 02:54 |
| unique311 | it actually has the choices for it | 02:54 |
| unique311 | gltron -O | 02:55 |
| unique311 | the error exactly | 02:56 |
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| unique311 | Couldn't set GL mode:X11 driver not configured with OpenGL | 02:56 |
| NeoStrider | hum...software rendering doesnt need a configured opengl chip | 02:56 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 02:56 |
| NeoStrider | maybe DRI is not activated | 02:56 |
| unique311 | how do i activate? | 02:57 |
| unique311 | zorg | 02:57 |
| unique311 | xorg | 02:57 |
| unique311 | use to xorg.conf | 02:57 |
| NeoStrider | and this custom KDrive use something diferent for the video rendering of the video player | 02:57 |
| NeoStrider | the problem is that KDrive doesnt use configuration files, but parameters | 02:57 |
| unique311 | well until i get that figured out... | 02:59 |
| unique311 | just a waste of space now.. | 02:59 |
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| NeoStrider | unique...if there was a way, folks @ indt would already be using it | 03:00 |
| NeoStrider | right? | 03:00 |
| unique311 | maybe they never had a reason to mess with it | 03:01 |
| unique311 | next game | 03:01 |
| unique311 | blobwars | 03:01 |
| unique311 | already done by someone? | 03:01 |
| unique311 | playing it on scratchbox.. | 03:03 |
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| NeoStrider | unique311, they're strugling to get canola without tearing | 03:04 |
| NeoStrider | they did canola on SDL. I guess they would love to make it with GL. They did something on S60 (they couldnt tell me what) with SDL but then moved to GL ,as its more powerful | 03:05 |
| NeoStrider | do you remember keesj and his xmoto port/ | 03:05 |
| NeoStrider | ? | 03:05 |
| unique311 | no | 03:05 |
| NeoStrider | well the actually helped improving SDL_gfx so it could replace OpenGL on 2D graphics | 03:06 |
| NeoStrider | for the maemo port | 03:06 |
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| NeoStrider | there is something about OpenGL that I dont like (and its something I once belived too): people tend to think of it as the solution to everything | 03:06 |
| NeoStrider | ok...it saves lots of work? yes. But sometimes , it general nature takes performance to the ground | 03:07 |
| NeoStrider | If I had used GL on my game engine, I would have it finished for ages and angstron would be a past project for me | 03:07 |
| unique311 | done for the day... | 03:10 |
| unique311 | going to a going away party | 03:10 |
| unique311 | should be fun | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | omg zorg would be a great name for a window system | 03:10 |
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| unique311 | peace | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | cu | 03:10 |
| NeoStrider | cu | 03:11 |
| NeoStrider | good party for ya | 03:11 |
| NeoStrider | zorg ? only if all the windows had 5 colors and dinossaur themed icons | 03:11 |
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| NeoStrider | and once per execution they would unite and create a gigantic icon | 03:12 |
| NeoStrider | zorg is too much power-rangerish for me =-P | 03:12 |
| pupnik | heh | 03:12 |
| pupnik | is your game going to be played on a flat plane? | 03:13 |
| pupnik | you might not need to do true 3D | 03:13 |
| NeoStrider | not always | 03:13 |
| NeoStrider | there are some 3D arenas | 03:13 |
| pupnik | can get 5x the speed if you do something like Doom | 03:13 |
| pupnik | ok | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | Doom has a very singular rendering algorithm | 03:14 |
| pupnik | i have studied it | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | its not something you can adapt easily | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | me too | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | im not using ray-casting | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | but some very unique portal rendering | 03:14 |
| NeoStrider | discreet portal rendering of some sort | 03:15 |
| pupnik | I'm impressed by what you've done so far | 03:16 |
| NeoStrider | oh...and it is full 3D, not 2.5D | 03:16 |
| NeoStrider | actually, is not much | 03:16 |
| NeoStrider | ive done it in 4 months and for about 1 year and a half im trying to correct it and make it work | 03:16 |
| NeoStrider | 2 years of hard work | 03:16 |
| NeoStrider | but the render only works 85% of the time | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | im not satisfied | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | angstron uses a very erratic profile of it | 03:17 |
| NeoStrider | if you notice, I dont have 3D polygons on the same level of the camera, otherwise the visibility order gets messed on some angles | 03:18 |
| NeoStrider | if I use other profile , it works, but is much slower | 03:18 |
| NeoStrider | but you guys have done great things too | 03:18 |
| NeoStrider | smw is much better than angstron | 03:19 |
| NeoStrider | you guys picked the right game to port | 03:19 |
| pupnik | unique311 found it, i just did packaging | 03:19 |
| pupnik | unfortunately it uses original gfx and sounds | 03:20 |
| pupnik | so there are copyright issues | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | I took 1 full year to be able to pack the BZK to the 770 | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | you did it in what? 2 days? | 03:20 |
| pupnik | bzk? | 03:20 |
| NeoStrider | the engine that angstron uses | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | Ive been developing it since high school | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | about 5 years ago | 03:21 |
| pupnik | nice | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | this is the third instalment | 03:21 |
| pupnik | i started writing games when i was 10 :P | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | the first was SDL+GL | 03:21 |
| NeoStrider | the second was Series60 and did poorly on 3D department | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | me too | 03:22 |
| pupnik | wow | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | how old are you? | 03:22 |
| pupnik | 37 | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | wow! | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | im only 22! | 03:22 |
| pupnik | so? | 03:22 |
| _Monkey | i guess so is joost worth getting? | 03:22 |
| NeoStrider | you have much more experience (is that the right term?) | 03:23 |
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| pupnik | yes right term, no not so much experience | 03:24 |
| NeoStrider | my S60 engine: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/instant5.jpg | 03:24 |
| pupnik | but the nokia 770 made it fun again | 03:24 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...a lot | 03:24 |
| NeoStrider | I was getting tired of it with S60 | 03:24 |
| NeoStrider | I was quite unhappy with SDL indeed | 03:24 |
| NeoStrider | this was the first BZK: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/screenshot8.thumbnail.jpg | 03:25 |
| NeoStrider | and this was my first game engine ever: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/galeria_641.thumbnail.jpg | 03:25 |
| NeoStrider | Qbasic! | 03:25 |
| NeoStrider | the nokia 770 is the best plataform for homebrew this day | 03:26 |
| NeoStrider | well, the N800 too ;-) | 03:26 |
| pupnik | or gp2x | 03:26 |
| NeoStrider | nah | 03:26 |
| pupnik | but i don't want to spend 200 euro on a games-only device | 03:26 |
| NeoStrider | gp2x is too weak | 03:26 |
| NeoStrider | not on the horse power | 03:27 |
| NeoStrider | but on the software side | 03:27 |
| pupnik | ah | 03:27 |
| NeoStrider | (I posted here only thumbnails: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/galeria_641.jpg) | 03:27 |
| pupnik | well it is useless for most things | 03:27 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...and ok, 770 keypad sucks, but hey...touchscreen worth a lot | 03:28 |
| NeoStrider | I wouldnt trade my 770 for a PSP | 03:28 |
| pupnik | Nokia 770 has shown the world that a little device could do everything | 03:28 |
| pupnik | I will have to package UQM soon so you can see it with touchscreen buttons | 03:28 |
| pupnik | it's very nice now | 03:28 |
| NeoStrider | (http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/screenshot8.jpg) | 03:28 |
| NeoStrider | if you good enough to optimize stuff, you can do anything | 03:29 |
| NeoStrider | Doom for 770 shows this well | 03:29 |
| pupnik | hey what's that screenshot8? | 03:29 |
| NeoStrider | while the 770 cant handle quake, it can handle lots of other funny stuff too | 03:29 |
| NeoStrider | screenshot8 was the first BZK | 03:29 |
| NeoStrider | from about 5 years ago | 03:29 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 03:29 |
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| NeoStrider | what do you do for living? | 03:33 |
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| pupnik | my last jobs were programming, databases, administration | 03:34 |
| NeoStrider | and now | 03:34 |
| NeoStrider | ? | 03:34 |
| pupnik | not working :) | 03:34 |
| NeoStrider | better heheh | 03:35 |
| NeoStrider | i dont know if this is possible | 03:35 |
| NeoStrider | but I want to avoid corporate computing as much as possible | 03:35 |
| NeoStrider | I work for a public newspaper, doing a system for processing RTF files and inserting them on a database, for publishing | 03:36 |
| NeoStrider | and this is my limit | 03:36 |
| pupnik | cool, i had to do some postscript processing for faxing | 03:37 |
| NeoStrider | thats much cooler than database programming, right? | 03:38 |
| NeoStrider | formal language processing | 03:38 |
| NeoStrider | bakus naum forms | 03:38 |
| NeoStrider | etc | 03:38 |
| pupnik | wow. i just used regexps | 03:38 |
| NeoStrider | i built a huge C# system, loading XSL stylesheets | 03:39 |
| NeoStrider | the C# takes a RTF and convert it to a crude XML and the XSL does the hard job | 03:40 |
| pupnik | cool | 03:40 |
| NeoStrider | thats why I want to have mono running nice on my sbox | 03:41 |
| NeoStrider | so I can do some hildon love without C++ | 03:41 |
| NeoStrider | and create a nice angstron onboard level editor | 03:41 |
| jonnylamb | Hmm, what's a/the HTML rendering widget for use on the N800? (and in python?) | 03:44 |
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| Andy80_ | hi | 03:53 |
| pupnik | houws it goin | 03:54 |
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| pupnik | hi keesj | 03:58 |
| NeoStrider | hey keesj | 03:58 |
| pupnik | omg, there's a /var/lib/dpkg/status-old ... saved my ass! | 04:00 |
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| erstazi | Hello, is there any flash player yet for IT2006/2007 (ARM arch)? | 04:36 |
| pupnik | opera and mplayer | 04:37 |
| erstazi | pupnik, mplayer works with opera to load flash in opera? | 04:37 |
| pupnik | no | 04:38 |
| erstazi | I keep hearing that Macromedia Flash player has been ported to ARM arch but searching everywhere is no avail | 04:40 |
| pupnik | you want a standalone flash player? | 04:40 |
| erstazi | pupnik, standalone will work if embedded doesn't | 04:40 |
| pupnik | aha | 04:41 |
| pupnik | http://www.gnashdev.org/ << seen this? (open source flash player) | 04:41 |
| erstazi | yes I have actually, and they support ARM as well? this comes all a shock to me because the iPhone is ARM arch | 04:42 |
| pupnik | i don't know - might be fun to try | 04:42 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, thank you | 04:43 |
| erstazi | will try | 04:43 |
| NeoStrider | iphone doesnt support iphone, right? | 04:49 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, heh, thats funny | 04:51 |
| erstazi | I will be reading the wiki hard core tonight, just got this thing in the mail this morning (: | 04:51 |
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| NeoStrider | what the iphone is good for? | 04:52 |
| NeoStrider | OpenMoko is my phone of choice =-) | 04:52 |
| pupnik | great hardware imo | 04:54 |
| pupnik | 640x480 phone | 04:54 |
| pupnik | \o/ | 04:54 |
| erstazi | its a decent phone | 04:54 |
| erstazi | I will not go and buy one right away though | 04:54 |
| erstazi | I think the data plans/rates for the USA are way too expensive | 04:55 |
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| pupnik | i love fixing bugs going on instinct alone :) | 05:16 |
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| NeoStrider | one of my wishes when getting into toronto is to get one | 05:38 |
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| NeoStrider | angstron? | 06:02 |
| _Monkey | i guess angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:02 |
| NeoStrider | thank you _Monkey | 06:03 |
| milhouse | btw, _monkey now accepts private chats for personal tuition etc. | 06:03 |
| NeoStrider | good to know =-D | 06:03 |
| erstazi | which is suggested the most? openssh or dropbear? | 06:11 |
| milhouse | openssh by me! :) | 06:11 |
| erstazi | (I might write a tutorial for this) | 06:12 |
| milhouse | i'd like to see dropbear got rid of... there's really little need for two applications performing the same task | 06:12 |
| milhouse | i find openssh the easier to install and use | 06:12 |
| erstazi | milhouse, exactly, I will go with openssh because of its stable and I have never used dropbear | 06:13 |
| milhouse | also it includes more functionality than dropbear | 06:13 |
| erstazi | milhouse, thank you for your input | 06:13 |
| milhouse | i used dropbear a long time ago, and found it more troublesome to install than openssh | 06:13 |
| milhouse | np | 06:13 |
| NeoStrider | milhouse...im filling _Monkey with funny stuff =-P | 06:13 |
| milhouse | nothing rude! :) | 06:13 |
| NeoStrider | not at all | 06:14 |
| erstazi | is _Monkey a bot? | 06:14 |
| milhouse | he is | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 06:14 |
| milhouse | yow | 06:14 |
| erstazi | I never saw a monkey as a bot (: | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey, who is NeoStrider? | 06:14 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider is daft as a brush | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | =-P | 06:14 |
| milhouse | _monkey be zippy | 06:15 |
| _Monkey | PIZZA!! | 06:15 |
| milhouse | _monkey be zippy | 06:15 |
| _Monkey | Either CONFESS now or we go to "PEOPLE'S COURT"!! | 06:15 |
| milhouse | I think _monkey is daft as a brush... | 06:15 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey==NeoStrider ? | 06:15 |
| milhouse | _monkey be zippy | 06:15 |
| _Monkey | First, I'm going to give you all the ANSWERS to today's test ... So just plug in your SONY WALKMANS and relax!! | 06:15 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey, you use Windows? | 06:16 |
| _Monkey | i don't know, neostrider | 06:16 |
| milhouse | some random quote thing... a bit hit & miss (mostly miss) | 06:16 |
| erstazi | heh | 06:17 |
| NeoStrider | what can he learn? | 06:17 |
| erstazi | well I am happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian | 06:18 |
| erstazi | so far ARM arch debs have been flawless installs | 06:18 |
| erstazi | it seems to be a very good and strong community (: | 06:18 |
| milhouse | neostrider: anything... you teach him factoids | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | <NeoStrider> _Monkey, OpenMoko is better than pizza and bananas | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | <_Monkey> ...but openmoko is NeoStrider's phone of choice =-).. | 06:19 |
| pupnik | what interesting things have you installed from debian-arm? | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | i cant help laughing | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | I acidentally said this before on the channel | 06:19 |
| milhouse | neostrider - start a private chat with _monkey and type "help" | 06:19 |
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| * pupnik is playing a new, awesome RPG on 770 :P | 06:24 | |
| erstazi | pupnik, which one? | 06:24 |
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| pupnik | it's a sekrit! | 06:24 |
| erstazi | awesome | 06:24 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I have only done the basics, ncurses, xterm, xchat, becomeroot, openssh, etc etc | 06:25 |
| pupnik | you can install a debian-arm xchat and it works? | 06:25 |
| erstazi | pupnik, yep | 06:26 |
| erstazi | like a charm | 06:26 |
| erstazi | I got it off maemo.org | 06:26 |
| pupnik | way cool | 06:27 |
| pupnik | oh that's not debian-arm then, but a maemo build | 06:27 |
| erstazi | pupnik, its nice, I like irssi but xchat is easier on my eyes on this small screen | 06:27 |
| erstazi | pupnik, well is based on debian | 06:27 |
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| pupnik | you've had enough coffee when you skin starts to crawl | 06:31 |
| erstazi | what are yinz favorite ARM word processor? | 06:32 |
| erstazi | pupnik, been there done that, then regretted it heh | 06:32 |
| pupnik | there's ongoing work on Abiword, can't think of anything else | 06:33 |
| NeoStrider | Maemopad == abiword? | 06:34 |
| pupnik | no maemopad is like notepad | 06:35 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I was hoping abiword, its light weight | 06:35 |
| NeoStrider | what is the maemo name for abiword? | 06:35 |
| NeoStrider | i know the port has a diferent name | 06:35 |
| erstazi | is it wise to change the user password? I already changed the root password | 06:35 |
| NeoStrider | "different" or diferent"? | 06:35 |
| NeoStrider | s/diferent"/"diferent"/ | 06:36 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: "different" or "diferent"? | 06:36 |
| erstazi | different | 06:36 |
| NeoStrider | thanks | 06:36 |
| NeoStrider | my native language is portuguese =-) | 06:36 |
| erstazi | english is a horrible language (: | 06:36 |
| NeoStrider | not actually | 06:36 |
| NeoStrider | is quite simple | 06:36 |
| NeoStrider | and it has its beauty | 06:36 |
| NeoStrider | its good for lame poets like me | 06:36 |
| erstazi | beauty haha, I think portuguese and spanish are beautiful (I took 4 years spanish) | 06:37 |
| erstazi | have yinz changed your user passwd? | 06:37 |
| pupnik | i changed user password without problems | 06:37 |
| erstazi | ok | 06:38 |
| NeoStrider | I took 4 years of spanish in school too | 06:39 |
| NeoStrider | I was quite good, but now I forgot everything | 06:39 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, its hard to keep up on what you learned, I barely remember the verbs | 06:40 |
| NeoStrider | Portuguese from portugal is the most beutiful language I know | 06:40 |
| NeoStrider | brazillian portuguese is nice...at best | 06:41 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, it is beautiful, the accent, the women,... oh shut up erstazi you are married! | 06:41 |
| NeoStrider | sure...I live near the sea...far from any other country | 06:41 |
| NeoStrider | hahahah | 06:41 |
| NeoStrider | the gals are nice...sure...but not what every thinks | 06:42 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, of course, that goes with everywhere | 06:42 |
| erstazi | (: | 06:42 |
| NeoStrider | (at least to me...maybe gals from other places are worst heheh) | 06:42 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, sometimes, the women here in my state (Pennsylvania) are hideous sometimes, but people from other areas come and drool over them... I feel like slapping them | 06:43 |
| NeoStrider | hahhaha | 06:43 |
| NeoStrider | it depends of your taste for women | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | i have a very european taste | 06:44 |
| erstazi | exactly | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | not "blondes" and stuff | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | but the mignon, skinny , whity nerdy women =-P | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | specially the ones with spannish blood | 06:45 |
| erstazi | heh | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | and portuguese too | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | (my blood is mostly portuguese anyway) | 06:45 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, would you say that the internet tablets have good portuguese translations? | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | for Brazillian people, I would say so | 06:46 |
| erstazi | ah | 06:46 |
| NeoStrider | but for portugal, I wonder how good it could be | 06:46 |
| NeoStrider | funny is that the tablets are not available here | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | what bothering to translate it? | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | I use mine in english, for concistency | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | but I have used it in portuguese in the past | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | I used to be part of a game development community here | 06:48 |
| NeoStrider | we had this great .br website | 06:48 |
| NeoStrider | and some portugal people indeed were among us | 06:48 |
| NeoStrider | they where great contributors | 06:49 |
| NeoStrider | I had a good friend in there | 06:49 |
| NeoStrider | he was good with SDL | 06:49 |
| NeoStrider | but we had several language clashes | 06:49 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, how different is Brasilian Portuguese and Portuguese? | 06:50 |
| NeoStrider | more than british to american indeed | 06:50 |
| erstazi | are the differences like American English and British English | 06:50 |
| erstazi | ok | 06:50 |
| NeoStrider | I would say its like australian or irish english to american... | 06:51 |
| NeoStrider | but african portuguese to brazillian is more like british to american | 06:51 |
| erstazi | ok | 06:51 |
| erstazi | yeah | 06:51 |
| erstazi | I see,... etymology has always interested me, maybe I need to start studying the romance roots more (: | 06:52 |
| NeoStrider | me too | 06:52 |
| NeoStrider | I love going to wikipedia and read about the origin of the nations and languages | 06:52 |
| NeoStrider | there is a kind of portuguese that is so close to spanish that I had major dificulties to read "don quixote" written on this | 06:52 |
| NeoStrider | its where portuguese emerged | 06:52 |
| NeoStrider | galicia | 06:53 |
| erstazi | same here, I use to read encyclopedias all the time | 06:53 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, have you studied the history of Portugal pre-roman? | 06:53 |
| NeoStrider | some | 06:53 |
| erstazi | even post-roman is very interesting as well | 06:53 |
| NeoStrider | mostly trying to understand the origin of the basque country | 06:54 |
| NeoStrider | the goth presence on spain | 06:54 |
| NeoStrider | the connection of the latin culture | 06:54 |
| NeoStrider | and its diferences from the anglo-saxan culture | 06:54 |
| NeoStrider | (btw, you guys know about the pan-american games?) | 06:55 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, yes | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | but there is media converage? | 06:55 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, ESPN sometimes, it depends | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | there was a volley game some hours ago | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | USA x Brazil | 06:55 |
| NeoStrider | we won the gold | 06:56 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, anglo-saxon culture is limited, most of that culture was faded away by Vikings and Normans (male lineage of the Normans are vikings) | 06:56 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, congratulations (: | 06:56 |
| NeoStrider | =-) | 06:56 |
| erstazi | ssh is great (: | 06:57 |
| erstazi | I can install faster | 06:57 |
| NeoStrider | how diferent is the canada culture to the american culture? | 06:57 |
| NeoStrider | ssh'ing to the maemo box? | 06:57 |
| erstazi | Canada is more rural | 06:57 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, yes | 06:57 |
| NeoStrider | canada is much more connected to the old empire...they still have the queen...right? | 06:58 |
| erstazi | most Canadians are very nice... I live close to the border, so I meet a lot of Canadians | 06:58 |
| NeoStrider | but language is diferent? | 06:58 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, they are still under the monarchy of the UK | 06:58 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, only small amounts of words are different | 06:58 |
| NeoStrider | color or colour? =-P | 06:59 |
| erstazi | but their accent is close to the North (of the USA) | 06:59 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, that is sometimes... they pronounce some things different like "about" is pronounced "ah-boot" sometimes | 06:59 |
| NeoStrider | hahahha funny | 06:59 |
| NeoStrider | I noticed there is no canadians around #maemo...ever | 07:00 |
| NeoStrider | strange... | 07:00 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, the differences are very small to even be noticed by a non-native speaker | 07:00 |
| NeoStrider | maybe they are more into winmo =-P | 07:00 |
| erstazi | actually, I know many Canadians that are GNU/Linux enthusiasts | 07:00 |
| NeoStrider | and how good is the aceptance to embedded linux in america? | 07:01 |
| pupnik | canada is mind-numbingly boring :) | 07:01 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, its starting to change | 07:01 |
| erstazi | pupnik, are you from Canada? | 07:01 |
| pupnik | no i drove from montreal to ottowa once though | 07:02 |
| erstazi | pupnik, sorry to hear that (: heh | 07:02 |
| NeoStrider | at least they have nice girls who sing =-P | 07:02 |
| pupnik | oh i like canada. and both cities are beautiful imo | 07:02 |
| NeoStrider | shania twain | 07:02 |
| erstazi | sometimes, I dislike country music and most female canadian artists are country music singers | 07:02 |
| erstazi | pupnik, a lot of small towns, *a lot* | 07:02 |
| NeoStrider | im not saying about their music...only the women | 07:02 |
| NeoStrider | =-P | 07:02 |
| NeoStrider | im listening to gary numan,for god's sake =-P | 07:03 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, of course, she is very beautiful | 07:03 |
| NeoStrider | celine dion =-o~ | 07:03 |
| pupnik | btw for the 100 useless lurkers here, would one of you please figure out a way to pop-up and hide matchbox-keyboard or xkbd? *thanks*! | 07:03 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, direct to the point! | 07:03 |
| erstazi | pupnik, heh, you must be american | 07:04 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider: it's not too bad, since it can be done from the application | 07:04 |
| erstazi | what state are you located? | 07:04 |
| erstazi | celine dion can sing (and she is not country) | 07:04 |
| erstazi | very excellent singer | 07:05 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, here enters DBUS! =-) | 07:05 |
| NeoStrider | celine dion can kill... | 07:05 |
| NeoStrider | or boredom =-P | 07:05 |
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| pupnik | if someone who understands dbus can do it, i will be happy. if i have to do it myself i will do it without dbus or hildon | 07:06 |
| erstazi | is it http://repository.maemo.org user/non-free or http://repository.maemo.org *something else*/non-free | 07:06 |
| NeoStrider | you dont have to deal with *dbus* | 07:06 |
| NeoStrider | you can always use libshadow | 07:06 |
| pupnik | what is this libshadow? | 07:06 |
| NeoStrider | its a glueware to make SDL apps talk to dbus easier | 07:07 |
| NeoStrider | maemo-games-startup use it | 07:07 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik...c'mon...how hard is to make a vkbd in SDL? | 07:10 |
| NeoStrider | once you have a click-area-handler, you just have to check when ever the vkbd was evoked, and when evoked, if any tap is still on its area...if its the case, iterate through the keys | 07:11 |
| NeoStrider | it doesnt need to handle caps or other symbols...games dont usually have them | 07:11 |
| erstazi | I dislike how xterm doesn't let you backspace | 07:12 |
| pupnik | true NeoStrider | 07:12 |
| NeoStrider | how come? | 07:12 |
| NeoStrider | i just backspaced on my trusty 770 | 07:12 |
| NeoStrider | busybox v1.01 | 07:13 |
| NeoStrider | osso-x-terminal | 07:13 |
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| erstazi | NeoStrider, busybox? | 07:13 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 07:13 |
| erstazi | I have an 770 with osso-x-terminal | 07:14 |
| NeoStrider | black or white background? | 07:14 |
| erstazi | white | 07:14 |
| NeoStrider | its the old | 07:14 |
| NeoStrider | it had some issues | 07:14 |
| NeoStrider | the black one, newer, its waaaay beter | 07:14 |
| NeoStrider | better | 07:14 |
| pupnik | you have the one with the unreadable courier font? | 07:14 |
| erstazi | so I should get the advanced one with colors | 07:14 |
| erstazi | pupnik, yes, I will remove it and add the newer one | 07:15 |
| NeoStrider | I dont know if mine support colors | 07:15 |
| NeoStrider | but its a complete terminal | 07:15 |
| erstazi | BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 3:1.01-4.osso12) Built-in shell (ash) | 07:15 |
| NeoStrider | busybox is a common component of maemo | 07:16 |
| NeoStrider | osso-x-terminal just interfaces it | 07:16 |
| erstazi | ok | 07:16 |
| NeoStrider | just like gnome-terminal or xterminal would do it | 07:16 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider: there are two programs, links2 and cow, that don't use sdl, for which i also want keyboard | 07:16 |
| NeoStrider | checkout busybox...it has some handy tools builtin | 07:16 |
| pupnik | but otherwise an internal sdl-vkbd would be ok | 07:17 |
| NeoStrider | links2, you mean that fb version? | 07:17 |
| pupnik | the browser, it's xlib based i think | 07:17 |
| NeoStrider | cool!!!! | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | they ported it! | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | links rocks! | 07:18 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/links2.html | 07:18 |
| erstazi | nice pupnik | 07:19 |
| erstazi | I will use that instead of links | 07:19 |
| erstazi | I was hoping for a lynx version so I could just scroll through with the selector on the left | 07:20 |
| erstazi | but I haven't looked yet | 07:20 |
| NeoStrider | still...you wont be using elinks for dandy stuff | 07:20 |
| NeoStrider | for everything else, a case-insensitive vkbd would do the tirck | 07:20 |
| NeoStrider | s/tirck/trick/ | 07:20 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: for everything else, a case-insensitive vkbd would do the trick | 07:20 |
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| NeoStrider | 3D programming ,sometimes, sucks... | 07:23 |
| NeoStrider | my portals are jamming | 07:24 |
| erstazi | you guys mean osso-xterm 0.13.mh19? | 07:25 |
| NeoStrider | angstron currently has 4 levels...I cant design anything better than those otherwise it would look buggy with the current render | 07:25 |
| NeoStrider | idont really know | 07:25 |
| NeoStrider | I have this for such a long time... | 07:25 |
| NeoStrider | let me check | 07:25 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, thank you for checking (: | 07:26 |
| NeoStrider | 0.13.mh24 | 07:26 |
| NeoStrider | 24 in brazil means "fag" | 07:27 |
| NeoStrider | =-P | 07:27 |
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| NeoStrider | anything 24 related is followed with mockery | 07:27 |
| erstazi | heh | 07:27 |
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| erstazi | osso-xterm 0.13.mh19 is very nice | 07:28 |
| erstazi | much better | 07:28 |
| NeoStrider | most stuff on my Application manager has version like 0.X | 07:28 |
| NeoStrider | whats wrong with these OS/FS ppl? | 07:28 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, alpha/betas heh | 07:29 |
| NeoStrider | why having versions then? | 07:30 |
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| NeoStrider | linus has some random jumps now and then | 07:30 |
| NeoStrider | names like "bora" and "mistral" makes much more sense | 07:30 |
| NeoStrider | or OS2005 | 07:30 |
| NeoStrider | why not? GaimJune2003? | 07:31 |
| erstazi | heh | 07:32 |
| erstazi | gaim is gone | 07:32 |
| erstazi | I think pidgin is I don't know, blah | 07:32 |
| NeoStrider | not only stablishes a commitment of releasing stable monthly releases | 07:32 |
| NeoStrider | yes | 07:32 |
| NeoStrider | pidgin | 07:32 |
| _Monkey | pidgin is, like, I don't know, blah | 07:32 |
| NeoStrider | much coller icon, indeed | 07:32 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey, pidgin is actually good | 07:32 |
| _Monkey | ...but pidgin is I don't know, blah... | 07:32 |
| wumpus | ooh need to see that | 07:32 |
| NeoStrider | (=-P) | 07:33 |
| wumpus | I never liked the gaim icon | 07:33 |
| NeoStrider | yeah, me too | 07:33 |
| NeoStrider | too...I don't know, blah... | 07:33 |
| NeoStrider | the new icon is a purple pidgeon | 07:34 |
| NeoStrider | very nice indeed | 07:34 |
| wumpus | cool :D | 07:35 |
| wumpus | I see it now | 07:35 |
| wumpus | nicely done indeed | 07:35 |
| NeoStrider | OS/FS need better icons like that | 07:35 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, agreed | 07:35 |
| pupnik | who was asking about an RPG? http://pupnik.de/sekrit3.jpg | 07:36 |
| NeoStrider | betrayal at <insert a funny name here>!!! | 07:36 |
| pupnik | ding! | 07:36 |
| pupnik | should be doable also | 07:36 |
| NeoStrider | I would love to port Marathon 2 | 07:37 |
| NeoStrider | but it would have lots of usability issues | 07:37 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I was thank you for adding that screen shot to your site | 07:37 |
| pupnik | was that an apple game like doom? | 07:37 |
| pupnik | erstazi: you should check out http://pupnik.de/exult770.html if you like oldschool RPGs | 07:38 |
| wumpus | well yeah the quality of the graphics in OS has increased a lot last few years, seems distributions like ubuntu are going really for looks | 07:38 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I might RS-MMC is very inexpensive | 07:38 |
| wumpus | I have all the eye candy on, including wobbly windows | 07:39 |
| erstazi | I agree, from the early days of slackware to ubuntu, graphics have taken a turn | 07:39 |
| NeoStrider | yes pupnik | 07:39 |
| erstazi | wumpus, KDE? | 07:39 |
| NeoStrider | but is much mure like...hum...hexen | 07:39 |
| wumpus | ubuntu (gnome) | 07:39 |
| NeoStrider | but with futuristic theme | 07:39 |
| erstazi | wumpus, I use both ubuntu and kubuntu. | 07:40 |
| erstazi | I like XFCE for older computers but I don't use them, kids do, so xubuntu as well | 07:40 |
| NeoStrider | KDE is so...I don't know, blah ... | 07:40 |
| wumpus | with the how is it called, xrender based window manager | 07:40 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, it is, its very graphical and I dislike that | 07:40 |
| NeoStrider | i use gnome | 07:40 |
| NeoStrider | it rocks | 07:40 |
| erstazi | I use GNOME primarily | 07:40 |
| NeoStrider | but I also like blackbox and window maker | 07:41 |
| erstazi | the kubuntu is on my wife's computer | 07:41 |
| NeoStrider | window maker = Brazillian \o/ | 07:41 |
| erstazi | (: | 07:41 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, where in Brasil are you? | 07:41 |
| NeoStrider | unfortunatly, my machine is the only penguin-in-a-box here... | 07:41 |
| NeoStrider | Niterói,Rio de Janeiro | 07:42 |
| erstazi | nice | 07:42 |
| wumpus | I used window maker on my 486 in 1998 or so | 07:42 |
| wumpus | didn't know it even existed still :) | 07:42 |
| NeoStrider | (ofcourse there is my motorola cable modem and my dlink router ...and the 770) | 07:42 |
| wumpus | was my first experience with linux, under slackware | 07:42 |
| erstazi | same here | 07:43 |
| erstazi | my brother installed it | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | mine was a slack boot disk...cli | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | on a hd-less old 486 notebook | 07:43 |
| erstazi | then mandrake | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | back in 2000 | 07:43 |
| wumpus | I hated kde back then | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | hhahah | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | i used to love kde | 07:43 |
| wumpus | but then again it sucked then | 07:43 |
| NeoStrider | back when I used "kurumin" (a knoppix based ) | 07:43 |
| wumpus | now it's really good, and gnome too | 07:43 |
| erstazi | I use CentOS on my server | 07:43 |
| erstazi | I sometimes put Damn Small Linux on older computers, it just works wonders.. so does Puppy | 07:44 |
| NeoStrider | i used DSL a lot recently | 07:44 |
| NeoStrider | I even remastered it | 07:44 |
| erstazi | oh yeah? | 07:44 |
| _Monkey | yeah is there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) | 07:44 |
| NeoStrider | sure | 07:44 |
| NeoStrider | i even wrote a small tutorial on remastering (pt_Br) | 07:45 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, what were the main points of remastering it? | 07:45 |
| NeoStrider | including some handy tools on the liveCD | 07:45 |
| erstazi | nice | 07:45 |
| NeoStrider | so if you're a sysadmin with very specific needs, you can always pop a Cd and you're ready to go | 07:46 |
| NeoStrider | on my case , was for a information kiosk | 07:46 |
| erstazi | exactly, I use the live cd all the time | 07:46 |
| NeoStrider | they had this SDL app and wanted only it to run | 07:46 |
| erstazi | mainly to test hardware configs | 07:46 |
| NeoStrider | and nothing else | 07:46 |
| NeoStrider | so I cleaned the house | 07:46 |
| erstazi | pupnik, are you Arnim right? | 07:48 |
| erstazi | thanks for the links2 | 07:48 |
| NeoStrider | real names here?! my eyes!!! my eyes are burning! | 07:49 |
| pupnik | ja | 07:49 |
| pupnik | heh | 07:49 |
| * NeoStrider is now blind. bonus +2 on ears, +1 on spell casting | 07:49 | |
| pupnik | are you using multiboot NeoStrider ? | 07:52 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 07:52 |
| NeoStrider | dell gave a nice nice windows xp sp2 | 07:52 |
| erstazi | I am sorry, pupnik, did that offend you by using your name? | 07:52 |
| NeoStrider | im so thankful! | 07:52 |
| pupnik | no | 07:52 |
| pupnik | just tired | 07:53 |
| NeoStrider | 2 AM here | 07:53 |
| NeoStrider | and for you guys? | 07:53 |
| pupnik | 7 | 07:53 |
| NeoStrider | god save cout and the queen | 07:53 |
| NeoStrider | cout saved the day | 07:54 |
| NeoStrider | rendering improved | 07:54 |
| NeoStrider | 7 AM? | 07:54 |
| pupnik | Sun Jul 29 06:50:45 CEST 2007 | 07:54 |
| NeoStrider | go to bed, naughty boy! | 07:54 |
| NeoStrider | (gosh...its cold here! 15° C!) | 07:55 |
| erstazi | its 0100 here | 07:55 |
| NeoStrider | 100 F? | 07:55 |
| erstazi | 1:00 am | 07:55 |
| NeoStrider | ahh | 07:55 |
| NeoStrider | =-P | 07:55 |
| NeoStrider | close | 07:55 |
| erstazi | it was 33c here | 07:55 |
| NeoStrider | and Brazil is hot =-P | 07:56 |
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| NeoStrider | if you could choose a game...any game, to have on the 770/n800, what would it be? | 07:58 |
| pupnik | you know what's a bad typo? when you want to type rm -R usr and type rm -R /usr | 07:58 |
| pupnik | that's a bad typo | 07:58 |
| NeoStrider | hahahhahahaha | 07:58 |
| pupnik | realistic? | 07:58 |
| NeoStrider | no...ANY | 07:58 |
| pupnik | i managed to recover this pc without a /usr/bin or most of /usr/lib without rebooting/reinstalling though :P | 07:59 |
| pupnik | couldn't start any new processes :) | 07:59 |
| NeoStrider | how? | 07:59 |
| NeoStrider | but a terminal child process could be spawned? | 08:00 |
| pupnik | have a 2nd pc with same OS. set up a webserver - downloaded libs and bins needed for scp, then scp'd /usr/bin and lib over | 08:01 |
| pupnik | still finding some version mismatches but it's basically ok again | 08:01 |
| NeoStrider | ahhh | 08:02 |
| NeoStrider | 'cp' is child process from the shell | 08:02 |
| NeoStrider | there is a fork() call | 08:02 |
| NeoStrider | and a exec | 08:02 |
| NeoStrider | but this is built in the kernel anyway | 08:03 |
| NeoStrider | if you couldnt do that, you would have a great ambient heater | 08:03 |
| pupnik | mhm | 08:04 |
| NeoStrider | btw...after playing smw for hours...my 770 was of great confort to heat up my belly =-) | 08:05 |
| pupnik | hahah | 08:05 |
| erstazi | AC baby! | 08:05 |
| pupnik | did unique311 get gltron running with mesaGL? | 08:05 |
| NeoStrider | dunno | 08:05 |
| NeoStrider | guess no | 08:05 |
| pupnik | that would be fun to see | 08:06 |
| pupnik | glxgears... :p | 08:07 |
| NeoStrider | not for me...I would end up in tears =-p | 08:07 |
| NeoStrider | bloody tears | 08:07 |
| pupnik | what do you think a straight compile of glxgears on mesa would run at on the 770? at default resolution? | 08:08 |
| NeoStrider | my 3D rendering system is my Bsc Thesis | 08:08 |
| NeoStrider | glxgears...yes | 08:08 |
| NeoStrider | add a single gear more and you will have something very confortable to heat your belly =-P | 08:09 |
| pupnik | my guess would be.... 3 fps | 08:09 |
| NeoStrider | I would guess 5 | 08:09 |
| NeoStrider | i dont know if it really uses z-buffering | 08:10 |
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| NeoStrider | those old school open gl developers didnt relied so much on z-buffering | 08:11 |
| SeRi | damn bastartds stole my N770! | 08:12 |
| erstazi | hi SeRi | 08:12 |
| SeRi | hi | 08:12 |
| erstazi | no way! | 08:12 |
| SeRi | yes | 08:12 |
| erstazi | did you slit their throats? | 08:12 |
| NeoStrider | what?! | 08:12 |
| pupnik | bah mesa needs quilt | 08:12 |
| SeRi | I want it so bad but couldnt they where 2 slick | 08:13 |
| NeoStrider | how it happened, SeRi? | 08:13 |
| pupnik | sorry to hear it SeRi | 08:13 |
| SeRi | they took it off my new borns diper bag... | 08:13 |
| NeoStrider | where do you live, SeRi? | 08:13 |
| SeRi | US | 08:13 |
| * NeoStrider had a N-Gage stolen too | 08:13 | |
| SeRi | Houston, Texas | 08:13 |
| NeoStrider | TX...I wouldnt think of this happening in north america | 08:13 |
| SeRi | I think it was when we went to the park today | 08:13 |
| SeRi | Had too.... Thats the only time I wasent or any of us paying attention to the bags | 08:14 |
| SeRi | we where all having fun untill I got home | 08:14 |
| SeRi | bastards!!!!! | 08:14 |
| SeRi | die die die! I hope the battery gos bizerk and explodes in there hand | 08:15 |
| NeoStrider | relax...they will try selling it to a pimp as a cellphone | 08:15 |
| pupnik | they'll probably just fence it | 08:15 |
| SeRi | HAHAHAHAHA | 08:15 |
| NeoStrider | the pimp will then kill the f*ckers becouse the cellphone "is not working" | 08:15 |
| SeRi | LMAO | 08:16 |
| SeRi | Thanks for the laugh | 08:16 |
| pupnik | someone stole a p2 233 mhz laptop of mine | 08:16 |
| SeRi | :/ | 08:16 |
| pupnik | like they could do anything with something like that | 08:16 |
| pupnik | same for a 770 | 08:16 |
| pupnik | well sorta | 08:16 |
| SeRi | My 770 was for fun you know go arround istening to music and watch vids... N800 is for work | 08:16 |
| NeoStrider | they will push to the pimp as "de so call'd ePhony" | 08:16 |
| SeRi | LOL | 08:17 |
| NeoStrider | then the pimp will see the big nokia and cut "use the fingers" on the bandits | 08:17 |
| SeRi | hehehe I hope it all comes true | 08:17 |
| SeRi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63863#post63863 | 08:18 |
| pupnik | someone estimated that around 100 billion dollars a year of goods are stolen in the US to pay for illegal drugs | 08:18 |
| SeRi | N800 in magazine article | 08:18 |
| SeRi | I wouldnt doubt it | 08:18 |
| NeoStrider | from outside, US seem to emerged in drugs | 08:18 |
| erstazi | pupnik, what do you suggest about synergy-maemo? | 08:19 |
| NeoStrider | its so "aceptable" by its culture | 08:19 |
| NeoStrider | its true? | 08:19 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, to a point, urban areas are hit with cocaine and weed while rural areas are hit by meth | 08:19 |
| SeRi | I am not from the US I harly go out because of shit like this | 08:19 |
| erstazi | SeRi, where are you from? | 08:19 |
| SeRi | Caribean | 08:19 |
| NeoStrider | nice! | 08:20 |
| NeoStrider | finally someone with beachs better than mine | 08:20 |
| SeRi | yeap I am here because work :) | 08:20 |
| SeRi | lol | 08:20 |
| erstazi | SeRi, sorry that happened | 08:20 |
| SeRi | ahhh is c00l thanks... :) | 08:20 |
| NeoStrider | look SeRi | 08:21 |
| SeRi | NeoStrider where you from? | 08:21 |
| NeoStrider | now you have a reason to replace the 770 with a N800 for fun =-) | 08:21 |
| NeoStrider | Rio de Janeiro | 08:21 |
| erstazi | only the fact is N800's are $ | 08:21 |
| SeRi | ahhh nice!!! Now thats the spot! | 08:21 |
| SeRi | ;) | 08:21 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but I live in make-belive-land | 08:22 |
| SeRi | Yes thats true but I am working on the wife on that :P | 08:22 |
| SeRi | oooo :/ | 08:22 |
| NeoStrider | indeed , there are no maemo core developers | 08:22 |
| NeoStrider | code just spawned out of pure creater's will and the tablets descended from the skies with a beam of light | 08:23 |
| SeRi | wOw 8) | 08:23 |
| SeRi | lol... | 08:24 |
| erstazi | I am getting tired | 08:24 |
| erstazi | ugh, no more svn tonight | 08:24 |
| NeoStrider | (yeah...me too...medicine taking effect) | 08:24 |
| NeoStrider | svn is a farway dream for me... | 08:24 |
| erstazi | too many commits in one hour | 08:25 |
| NeoStrider | i've been expeled from that country | 08:25 |
| erstazi | now its time for some good internet radio | 08:25 |
| SeRi | dirtboxradio if you like jungle | 08:25 |
| erstazi | I need some classic rock | 08:26 |
| SeRi | I almost hosed my n800 this week with the hostname bull shit | 08:26 |
| NeoStrider | virgin classic rock it your choice | 08:26 |
| erstazi | on a 770, does anyone remember what the default lock code is? | 08:27 |
| SeRi | 0000 ? ? | 08:27 |
| SeRi | or 1234 | 08:27 |
| erstazi | tried that | 08:28 |
| NeoStrider | that was something I was trying to remember too | 08:28 |
| NeoStrider | when in doubt reflash it | 08:28 |
| erstazi | that also | 08:28 |
| milhouse | 12345? | 08:28 |
| SeRi | yes! | 08:28 |
| SeRi | bingo milhouse | 08:28 |
| milhouse | milhouse++ | 08:28 |
| NeoStrider | * milhouse is now level 2* | 08:29 |
| SeRi | lol | 08:29 |
| milhouse | [29/07/2007 06:28:55] <_Monkey> please don't karma yourself <--- private chat from _Monkey, slapping my wrist :) | 08:29 |
| erstazi | milhouse, you are a god | 08:29 |
| erstazi | milhouse++ | 08:29 |
| milhouse | oh no - not a geek god! :) | 08:29 |
| milhouse | karma milhouse | 08:29 |
| _Monkey | milhouse has karma of 2 | 08:29 |
| erstazi | milhouse++ | 08:30 |
| NeoStrider | * milhouse is now level 2* | 08:30 |
| NeoStrider | milhouse++ | 08:30 |
| milhouse | karma milhouse | 08:30 |
| SeRi | :/ do we have a boot here? | 08:30 |
| _Monkey | milhouse has karma of 4 | 08:30 |
| erstazi | ok, now I can protect this beast from children! | 08:30 |
| pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Baldur%27s_Gate_Cloakwood_Forest_GemRB_0.2.4_Linux.png | 08:30 |
| pupnik | open-source baldur's gate engine (WIP) | 08:30 |
| milhouse | 2 then 4... hmmm _monkey can you add? | 08:30 |
| milhouse | ah missed erstazi - cheers :) | 08:30 |
| NeoStrider | erstazi did it and i did it two | 08:30 |
| SeRi | monkey is a boot? | 08:30 |
| erstazi | yes, SeRi | 08:31 |
| NeoStrider | i did it becouse of the _Monkey existence =-) | 08:31 |
| pupnik | Baldur's Gate on the tablet. yum... | 08:31 |
| NeoStrider | milhouse summoned _Monkey on a great demonstration of wizardry 5ki11z | 08:31 |
| SeRi | _Monkey you stole my N770! | 08:31 |
| _Monkey | SeRi: i'm not following you... | 08:31 |
| SeRi | Yes you are! | 08:31 |
| SeRi | _Monkey Give it back! | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | SeRi: excuse me? | 08:32 |
| SeRi | WTF! _Monkey! | 08:32 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: dont pretend you dont know what we are talking about! | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | wish i knew, neostrider | 08:32 |
| NeoStrider | hahhaha | 08:32 |
| SeRi | _Monkey spit it out where is it! | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | bugger all, i dunno, seri | 08:32 |
| SeRi | _Monkey did you sell it to the pimp? | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | wish i knew, seri | 08:32 |
| SeRi | LOL | 08:33 |
| SeRi | This is fun | 08:33 |
| SeRi | _Monkey You where probably high than! | 08:33 |
| _Monkey | i haven't a clue, seri | 08:33 |
| SeRi | WTF _Monkey is that crack? | 08:33 |
| NeoStrider | he's cleary stoned! | 08:33 |
| SeRi | LOL | 08:33 |
| NeoStrider | s/cleary/clearly/ | 08:33 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: he's clearly stoned! | 08:33 |
| SeRi | infobot is another bot? | 08:34 |
| erstazi | monkey (so it doesn't save it) must be a supybot | 08:34 |
| SeRi | _Monkey is a bastrad | 08:34 |
| SeRi | he did stoled it and sold it to the pimps | 08:34 |
| NeoStrider | now the pimps will fill _Monkey with bananas... | 08:35 |
| SeRi | _Monkey You there? | 08:35 |
| _Monkey | wish i knew, seri | 08:35 |
| NeoStrider | dynamite bananas | 08:35 |
| SeRi | LOL @ NeoStrider | 08:35 |
| SeRi | _Monkey how in the world u dont know where you are at? | 08:36 |
| _Monkey | seri: bugger all, i dunno | 08:36 |
| SeRi | damn d00d thats some good shit you smoked | 08:36 |
| SeRi | ok enough of that | 08:36 |
| NeoStrider | angstron radar fully funcional!!! | 08:37 |
| SeRi | back to configure Media Tomb | 08:37 |
| SeRi | I had it installed in my 770 :( | 08:37 |
| NeoStrider | gosh I love to be myself | 08:37 |
| NeoStrider | angstron? | 08:37 |
| _Monkey | angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ | 08:37 |
| * NeoStrider is a karma whore | 08:37 | |
| SeRi | yeap | 08:38 |
| SeRi | LOL | 08:38 |
| NeoStrider | if the 770 had angstron, sure the bastards will have a painful death | 08:38 |
| SeRi | karma | 08:38 |
| NeoStrider | the 770 must be already burnt | 08:39 |
| SeRi | Yes it did and you know was worst I only was able to play it once | 08:39 |
| SeRi | I installed it yesterday | 08:39 |
| SeRi | Now tell me how that bastard will die!? | 08:39 |
| NeoStrider | of boredom | 08:39 |
| SeRi | LOL | 08:39 |
| NeoStrider | the game is so slow they will fall asleep and forge to breathe and sufocate | 08:39 |
| NeoStrider | tell me your impressions, SeRi | 08:40 |
| NeoStrider | you can tell totally the truth ("bummer!") | 08:40 |
| SeRi | lol | 08:40 |
| SeRi | well is not that bad... | 08:41 |
| NeoStrider | c'mon | 08:41 |
| NeoStrider | you can do better than that | 08:41 |
| SeRi | It did kind of hogh my 770 but not that bad... | 08:41 |
| NeoStrider | "plain sucks" | 08:41 |
| SeRi | no no.... | 08:41 |
| NeoStrider | ;-P | 08:41 |
| NeoStrider | I can tell you | 08:42 |
| SeRi | It was c00l I like action games.... | 08:42 |
| SeRi | Racing etc.. | 08:42 |
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| NeoStrider | I was playing a lot more smw than angstron in the last hours =-P | 08:42 |
| SeRi | I dont like that much of still games | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...I was missing some action on the 770 too | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | Doom is cool | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | but I cant play that | 08:42 |
| NeoStrider | smooth , sure...but as smooth as seizures | 08:42 |
| SeRi | Man I had a blast with doom | 08:43 |
| SeRi | ooo ic sorry | 08:43 |
| NeoStrider | but I can understand how the controls went so bad | 08:43 |
| SeRi | I just open a project my self... But havent ben able to do shit | 08:43 |
| NeoStrider | yesterday , playing smw, I pressed the wrong keys several times | 08:43 |
| NeoStrider | what it is, SeRi? | 08:43 |
| SeRi | damn maemo keeps going down | 08:44 |
| NeoStrider | it is now what is meant for, right? | 08:44 |
| SeRi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/insight-null/ | 08:44 |
| NeoStrider | I guess I saw it | 08:44 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 08:45 |
| NeoStrider | i saw it yesterday | 08:45 |
| SeRi | .... nothing big Is what I will use to release all I have done since the bigining of my 770 | 08:45 |
| NeoStrider | but didnt quite get it | 08:45 |
| NeoStrider | for how long you had it? | 08:45 |
| SeRi | 770? | 08:46 |
| _Monkey | 770 is so cheap right now. is there any reason to go for the 800 instead if all i'm doing is running the web browser only? | 08:46 |
| SeRi | I had the 770 since early 2006 | 08:46 |
| SeRi | probably the first production set | 08:46 |
| NeoStrider | mine too | 08:46 |
| NeoStrider | but it came with it2005 | 08:47 |
| SeRi | I was following it since post production :) just like I am with open moko | 08:47 |
| NeoStrider | yeah, me too | 08:47 |
| SeRi | :P | 08:47 |
| NeoStrider | I cant wait to put my hands on OpenMoko | 08:47 |
| SeRi | Man I am so excited about that! | 08:47 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: OpenMoko? | 08:47 |
| _Monkey | OpenMoko is, like, NeoStrider's phone of choice =-) | 08:47 |
| NeoStrider | even he knows abou tit | 08:47 |
| SeRi | LOL | 08:47 |
| SeRi | Is going to be awesome! My whole house runs linux right now... | 08:48 |
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| SeRi | :D | 08:48 |
| SeRi | well media and pc wise | 08:48 |
| * NeoStrider is jelous | 08:48 | |
| NeoStrider | my family *HATES* linux | 08:49 |
| SeRi | I was keeping a win box becuase of upnp but I just found mediatomb | 08:49 |
| SeRi | Works very well with N800 | 08:49 |
| SeRi | Not that simple to set up but works | 08:52 |
| SeRi | I was having issues with uShare | 08:52 |
| NeoStrider | well my friends | 08:52 |
| NeoStrider | I had great time | 08:52 |
| erstazi | what are your guys favorite internet radio? | 08:52 |
| SeRi | NeoStrider why does your family hate nix? | 08:52 |
| NeoStrider | but I must go to bed now | 08:52 |
| SeRi | ok Neo have a G/N | 08:53 |
| NeoStrider | becouse "resistance is useless" | 08:53 |
| erstazi | night NeoStrider thanks for the talk | 08:53 |
| SeRi | ahhhh | 08:53 |
| NeoStrider | ur welcome | 08:53 |
| SeRi | yea same here thanks | 08:53 |
| NeoStrider | gn all | 08:53 |
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| pupnik | well i'm off | 08:53 |
| SeRi | cya | 08:53 |
| SeRi | g/n! | 08:53 |
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| SeRi | <erstazi> dirtboxradio and shoutcast | 08:54 |
| erstazi | SeRi, thank you | 08:54 |
| SeRi | n/p | 08:54 |
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| SeRi | ok g/n guys | 09:01 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, al | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | +l | 11:26 |
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| disq | Hi | 11:39 |
| disq | we did a lot of work on kagu last night. if you're interested you might want to try the latest | 11:44 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 14:29 |
| _Monkey | niihau, Andy80 | 14:29 |
| Andy80 | hi _Monkey | 14:29 |
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| pupnikzzz | i love waking up slowly and while coming out of a dream state being able to grasp a problem i was working on the night before | 16:00 |
| erstazi | pupnikzzz, you just woke up? I just did as well too haha | 16:00 |
| erstazi | pupnikzzz, what was the problem from the night before? | 16:01 |
| pupnikzzz | something Neostrider said about iterating through the keys of a virtual keyboard to test if they were being hit bothered me | 16:02 |
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| pupnikzzz | it's an o(n) algorithm where n is the number of keys | 16:02 |
| pupnikzzz | there is an o(log n) algo for it and i realized it when i woke up | 16:03 |
| derf | I could've told you that if you'd asked. | 16:03 |
| derf | If your keys are arranged in nice rows, there is also an O(1) algorithm. | 16:03 |
| derf | But that may waste a little storage. | 16:04 |
| pupnikzzz | ok don't tell me! | 16:04 |
| derf | Well, it also works if your keys are not arranged in rows, but then it wastes a lot of storage. | 16:04 |
| pupnikzzz | good grief! hahaha | 16:05 |
| pupnikzzz | yes it does | 16:05 |
| pupnikzzz | my first o(1) thought would have wasted keyboard width x height bytes for a direct mapping of pixel area hit to key | 16:08 |
| pupnikzzz | but you can do it with less data! | 16:08 |
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| pupnikzzz | no first idea would have wasted ints not bytes | 16:10 |
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| pupnik | a width x height array representing keyboard pixels can contain bytes (ascii values) for any pixel mapped to a key | 16:21 |
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| pupnik | the o(log n) idea would use a binary tree for x and y | 16:24 |
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| tko | considering the amount of keys you can have on a keyboard, I don't see much point in spending lot of time trying to optimize it | 16:43 |
| pupnik | i think it's a crime that a 250mhz computer feels sluggish doing anything | 16:45 |
| procto | I die a little inside when our otherwise brilliant chief architect stares at my blankly when I tell him I don't want to have some shit loop twice | 16:47 |
| procto | (java dude) | 16:47 |
| procto | s/my/me | 16:47 |
| pupnik | i blame website designers for the slow browsing experience | 16:49 |
| procto | yeah | 16:50 |
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| procto | software and software design get slower faster than hardware gets faster | 16:51 |
| procto | if someone doesn't break out soon | 16:51 |
| procto | we're going to slow to a crawl in a few years :> | 16:51 |
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| Sulis | a shit loop...that sounds horrible... | 17:27 |
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| erstazi_ | howdy everyone | 17:36 |
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| pupnik | i can't yet find any features that i need openssh for over dropbear | 18:06 |
| rwhitby | agent forwarding? | 18:07 |
| alterego | No warning messages? :) | 18:07 |
| rwhitby | (maybe recent dropbear versions do agent forwarding now ...) | 18:07 |
| pupnik | ok | 18:07 |
| rwhitby | dunno about the nokia's, but on the linksys nslu2 openssh is measured to be three times faster than dropbear doing scp with blowfish (the lightest weight encryption algorithm) | 18:08 |
| pupnik | aha! dropbear scp -c blowfish drops down to very low speeds | 18:09 |
| pupnik | and varies between 100-200kB/s | 18:09 |
| pupnik | (770, writing to /dev/mmc1 | 18:10 |
| pupnik | i need to install kernel with nfs and HS mmc | 18:11 |
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| pupnik | trying to partition mmc for multiboot | 18:14 |
| pupnik | apt-get install e2fsprogs // E: Package e2fsprogs has no installation candidate (gregale) | 18:14 |
| pupnik | Google: | 18:15 |
| pupnik | Your search - gregale "E: Package e2fsprogs has no installation candidate" - did not match any documents. | 18:15 |
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| blkhawk | lo | 18:15 |
| blkhawk | I need a little help with FBreader | 18:15 |
| blkhawk | I got it installed but icannot find its configuration files | 18:15 |
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| blkhawk | apparently its the newest version compiled for 1.1 | 18:18 |
| blkhawk | anybody here got FBreader installed? | 18:23 |
| blkhawk | I need to know where it expects the conf file and in what format | 18:23 |
| blkhawk | I have the default files apparently but i don't know where to put them | 18:23 |
| blkhawk | hello? | 18:26 |
| pupnik | don't know the answer | 18:26 |
| pupnik | do you have the deb file for the package? | 18:26 |
| pupnik | you can list all the files it contains | 18:26 |
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| blkhawk | pupnik: remember my 1.1 predicament | 18:30 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: the .deb file does not install | 18:30 |
| pupnik | download the older deb | 18:30 |
| pupnik | oh nevermind | 18:30 |
| blkhawk | it is thenewest version automatically compiled for 1.1 | 18:30 |
| pupnik | maybe the 1.1 build has different default directories | 18:31 |
| pupnik | you can list all the files the older deb contains | 18:31 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: it does not let me | 18:31 |
| pupnik | maybe 1.1 puts them in the same location | 18:31 |
| blkhawk | yes exactly | 18:31 |
| blkhawk | Icannot get an older deb however | 18:31 |
| procto | why can't you get an older deb? | 18:32 |
| blkhawk | the fbreadersite only shows the newest | 18:32 |
| procto | ah | 18:32 |
| blkhawk | and guessing the name of older deb hasn't worked | 18:32 |
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| blkhawk | pupnik: could you point me to a newer .deb tho? | 18:33 |
| erstazi | isn't fbreadersite on sourceforge? | 18:33 |
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| blkhawk | i can take it apart and look how the files are put | 18:33 |
| blkhawk | hmmmm | 18:33 |
| pupnik | dpkg --contents filename.deb | 18:34 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: yes i think so..... i don't know about the maemo packages tho /me checks | 18:34 |
| Aceado|770 | Can someone tell me if the 770 os2007 he is better than the 2006e | 18:34 |
| pupnik | the fbreader for maemo homepage is incredibly obsolete | 18:35 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: yes - so is my 770 OS | 18:35 |
| blkhawk | so its all good ;) | 18:35 |
| blkhawk | I mean i run it already | 18:35 |
| pupnik | http://www.fbreader.org/maemo/#maemo2.offline | 18:35 |
| blkhawk | but all menu items look like this: ???????? | 18:35 |
| blkhawk | and all icons show broken icons | 18:36 |
| Aceado|770 | Anyone ? | 18:36 |
| pupnik | no | 18:36 |
| blkhawk | Aceado|770: os2007 is better but needs more memory | 18:36 |
| pupnik | nobody can tell you if it's better | 18:36 |
| blkhawk | I think 2006 is better for now | 18:36 |
| pupnik | because it depends on who you are and what you want to do | 18:36 |
| * blkhawk can only use 2005 | 18:36 | |
| erstazi | agreed pupnik, I find 2006 sufficient for my needs | 18:37 |
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| pupnik | note the term 'hacker edition'.. i would recommend if you want to try it, put it on the mmc card so you can switch back easily | 18:38 |
| Aceado|770 | Ok its just the both minimo and the opaera close itself off when i use them for about 20mins or so like there is a buffer problem or somethink? | 18:38 |
| erstazi | Aceado|770, which os do you have again? 2007? opera can crash sometimes, it has happened to me once already in 1 day | 18:39 |
| erstazi | Aceado|770, I suggest links2 | 18:39 |
| blkhawk | ok no Sourceforge hosting for fbreader | 18:40 |
| pupnik | links2 has been stable for me - hacking it for a vkbd would be nice | 18:40 |
| blkhawk | can anybody get me a current 3.0 or 2.0 version of the deb? | 18:40 |
| blkhawk | somebody here has to use fbreader ;) | 18:40 |
| Aceado|770 | I have 2006 not 2007 | 18:41 |
| erstazi | Aceado|770, I would stick with 2006, I am as well | 18:42 |
| Aceado|770 | So should i use the links2 then? | 18:42 |
| erstazi | Aceado|770, if opera messes up continually, I would use links2 (pupnik has the link) or links | 18:43 |
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| erstazi | howdy NeoStrider | 18:43 |
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| NeoStrider | howdy erstazi! | 18:43 |
| NeoStrider | hello to you all! | 18:44 |
| bilboed | hi all. | 18:44 |
| erstazi | hi bilboed | 18:44 |
| NeoStrider | hi bilboed | 18:44 |
| Aceado|770 | Where can i find links2 and am i able 2 view pics aswell? | 18:44 |
| erstazi | I haven't tried the mozilla based browser yet | 18:44 |
| bilboed | Where can I get a bigger set of gstreamer plugins for the n800 ? The official packages are missing quite a lot. I'm mostly looking for jpegenc | 18:44 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: pupnik | 18:44 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider: huh? | 18:44 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: pupnik? | 18:44 |
| _Monkey | neostrider: i haven't a clue | 18:44 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: smw? | 18:44 |
| _Monkey | somebody said smw was Super Mario War at http://pupnik.de/smw.html | 18:44 |
| erstazi | Aceado|770, http://pupnik.de/links2.html | 18:45 |
| NeoStrider | erstazi was faster than me | 18:45 |
| NeoStrider | =-) | 18:45 |
| erstazi | I couldn't remember it | 18:45 |
| erstazi | then it hit me, browser history (: | 18:45 |
| NeoStrider | me too, so I used _Monkey | 18:45 |
| bilboed | zeenix, ping | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | becomeroot is echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 18:48 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 18:48 |
| _Monkey | i guess becomeroot is echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 18:48 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget becomeroot | 18:49 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot becomeroot | 18:49 |
| Aceado|770 | How do i use it? | 18:49 |
| pupnik | becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, type in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 18:50 |
| erstazi | pupnik, heh, good job | 18:52 |
| blkhawk | ok - can anybody get me a recent .deb of FBreader? | 18:52 |
| blkhawk | I am stuck with 1.1 and cannot normally download it | 18:52 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 18:53 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 18:53 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, what version do you want? | 18:53 |
| erstazi | or desire? | 18:53 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, what os version do you have/ | 18:54 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: os2005 | 18:55 |
| blkhawk | I have a prototype 770 | 18:55 |
| blkhawk | I cannot upgrade the bootloader | 18:55 |
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| blkhawk | erstazi: any version is fine - the 2.0 version would be best - but 3.0 is fine too | 18:56 |
| erstazi | ok | 18:56 |
| pupnik | i can't umount /media/mmc1 on itos2006 - and i only have xterm and load-applet-run started | 18:56 |
| blkhawk | I need to confirm the .deb has the sme structure the package for 1.1 has | 18:56 |
| blkhawk | I think the autobilding process is broken on rthat one | 18:56 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader (I only see 0.8.4a) | 18:58 |
| erstazi | I am not sure where else you could find that, I think the repos would be the same as well | 18:58 |
| pupnik | oh i am stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry | 18:58 |
| erstazi | pupnik, heh | 18:58 |
| NeoStrider | got a tester for angstron!!! | 18:59 |
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| Cegy | how do i become root? | 19:00 |
| NeoStrider | what changed from OS2005? | 19:00 |
| NeoStrider | it uses dpkg and not apt | 19:00 |
| Cegy | so i can use the links2 ? | 19:00 |
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| blkhawk | erstazi: iya well I need the .deb of os2006 | 19:01 |
| pupnik | Cegy: what OS/Tablet do you have | 19:01 |
| blkhawk | thanks tho | 19:01 |
| Cegy | 770 2006 | 19:01 |
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| pupnik | becomeroot? | 19:01 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 19:01 |
| erstazi | pupnik, (I suggest openssh, a lot easier to configure) | 19:01 |
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| Cegy | i did sudo gainroot in xterm and i says cal_read_block (r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enabel the RD mode if u want to break your device | 19:07 |
| Cegy | :| | 19:07 |
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| milhouse | have you installed becomeroot? | 19:07 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: could you look into ~/.FBreader and ell mewhat you seethere? | 19:07 |
| Cegy | becomeroot? | 19:07 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is, like, For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" | 19:07 |
| Cegy | i did that | 19:07 |
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| erstazi | blkhawk, hold a second please, I am installing something in xterm | 19:08 |
| milhouse | sounds like it hasn't worked for some reason | 19:08 |
| Cegy | shit | 19:08 |
| Cegy | :| | 19:08 |
| blkhawk | ty | 19:08 |
| Cegy | not fair | 19:08 |
| Cegy | i want to install links2 but i guess not now | 19:08 |
| milhouse | just set R&D mode... | 19:08 |
| Cegy | how? | 19:08 |
| milhouse | you got a linux pc available to you? | 19:09 |
| Cegy | no | 19:09 |
| Cegy | on windows | 19:09 |
| milhouse | or a LiveCD distro? | 19:09 |
| Cegy | nope | 19:09 |
| milhouse | you lying | 19:09 |
| Cegy | am not | 19:09 |
| milhouse | just download one | 19:09 |
| milhouse | :) | 19:09 |
| Cegy | but y would i need to ? | 19:09 |
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| Cegy | can't i do it in the shell to install the links2 | 19:10 |
| milhouse | well i was hoping to save time trying to work out why becomeroot wasn't working and just get you to use the linux flasher but probably not worth the effort | 19:10 |
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| milhouse | if you need root you need to work out what has happened to becomeroot | 19:11 |
| Cegy | so | 19:11 |
| milhouse | alternatively, install dropbear or openssh (somehow - maybe red pill mode) then root into your device that way | 19:11 |
| * NeoStrider wonders about dillo on Maemo... | 19:11 | |
| Cegy | i can ssh my 770 | 19:11 |
| Cegy | with openssh install | 19:11 |
| erstazi | Cegy, can you do this: sudo gainroot | 19:11 |
| Cegy | on wat shell or xtrem? | 19:12 |
| erstazi | either or | 19:12 |
| Cegy | root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 19:12 |
| Cegy | on shel | 19:12 |
| Cegy | sheel | 19:12 |
| Cegy | shell* | 19:12 |
| Cegy | and on xterm i get cal_read_block (r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enabel the RD mode if u want to break your device | 19:13 |
| Cegy | any idea's ? | 19:14 |
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| Cegy | erstazi? | 19:16 |
| _Monkey | i think erstazi is happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian | 19:16 |
| erstazi | Cegy, not sure | 19:17 |
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| zakx | Cegy: "< Cegy> root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." | 19:17 |
| zakx | sounds like you already are root. | 19:17 |
| NeoStrider | zakx...all fingers will point to you | 19:18 |
| Cegy | how will i find out if am root or not? | 19:18 |
| zakx | Cegy: execute "id" | 19:18 |
| zakx | paste the results in here | 19:18 |
| Cegy | wtf? | 19:18 |
| Cegy | type waT? | 19:18 |
| zakx | absolution:~ zakx$ id | 19:19 |
| zakx | uid=501(zakx) gid=501(zakx) groups=501(zakx), 80(admin) | 19:19 |
| Cegy | so i type execute "id" | 19:19 |
| zakx | no. | 19:19 |
| Cegy | in wat xterm or shell ? | 19:19 |
| Cegy | am new to this so | 19:19 |
| Cegy | u know | 19:19 |
| zakx | what do you mean by "shell" exactly? | 19:20 |
| Cegy | it says | 19:20 |
| Cegy | uid=29999(user) uid=29999(users) | 19:20 |
| zakx | is that the same window you entered the sudo gainroot stuff in? | 19:21 |
| Cegy | yeah | 19:21 |
| zakx | alright, you're not root then | 19:21 |
| Cegy | in xterm thats wat it says | 19:21 |
| Cegy | ok so wats the easy way to become root then? | 19:22 |
| zakx | easiest way would be to install either openssh or dropbear | 19:22 |
| zakx | the package is calles "ssh" though | 19:22 |
| Cegy | i have openssh install already | 19:22 |
| zakx | *called | 19:22 |
| zakx | okay. | 19:22 |
| Cegy | i can ssh it | 19:22 |
| Cegy | if u mean that | 19:22 |
| zakx | are you logged in via ssh? | 19:23 |
| milhouse | ok - so login as root into your device over ssh | 19:23 |
| Cegy | done that | 19:23 |
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| milhouse | and you are now root? | 19:23 |
| milhouse | id? | 19:23 |
| Cegy | it doesn't say user not it says root | 19:24 |
| Cegy | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) | 19:24 |
| erstazi | pupnik, now, what is synergy for? I know you mention it in the INSTALL/README about how you can use that for the virtual keyboard on the 770 | 19:24 |
| zakx | Cegy: congratulations. you're root then. | 19:24 |
| Cegy | oh | 19:24 |
| erstazi | Cegy, I suggest changing the passwords for both user and root | 19:24 |
| erstazi | Cegy, passwd root | 19:24 |
| erstazi | or | 19:24 |
| erstazi | passwd user | 19:24 |
| Cegy | so i have to ssh it to become root | 19:24 |
| erstazi | change both for security | 19:24 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: that doesn't look right | 19:25 |
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| Cegy | ok | 19:25 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: did you look in .FBreader for me? | 19:25 |
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| erstazi | blkhawk, doing now, done installing | 19:25 |
| blkhawk | ty | 19:25 |
| zakx | erstazi: the user account has no password. | 19:25 |
| Cegy | i would like to use links2 but if u can't use the virtual keyboard then its no use to me :| | 19:25 |
| zakx | one shouldn't change that | 19:25 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, I would look if I had it (: | 19:26 |
| erstazi | I haven't installed it yet myself | 19:26 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, you will notice that there are some versions not ported yet | 19:26 |
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| blkhawk | erstazi: dang - thanks ayway | 19:27 |
| blkhawk | blkhawk:yes but this on is - except for the damn UI | 19:27 |
| blkhawk | i miss all the icons and texts | 19:27 |
| blkhawk | otherwise it works fine | 19:27 |
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| Cegy | pupnik how do i use links2 | 19:28 |
| Cegy | can i use the virtual keybroad? | 19:28 |
| Cegy | :| | 19:28 |
| erstazi | zakx, I set a password to the usr account | 19:28 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/links2.html Cegy, info is here | 19:29 |
| Cegy | so my question u still tell me can i use it yes or no? | 19:29 |
| Cegy | simple as that | 19:29 |
| erstazi | Cegy, requires a bluetooth keyboard or synergy (to use the desktop keyboard). | 19:29 |
| Cegy | fucking bollocks then | 19:29 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, when you say "desktop keyboard" do you mean the virtual keyboard right? | 19:30 |
| pupnik | i use it with a virtual keyboard :() | 19:30 |
| pupnik | yeah | 19:30 |
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| Cegy | so U can use the virtual keyboard then ? | 19:30 |
| erstazi | pupnik, thats where I stopped last night, I didn't get to installing synergy, I was too tired | 19:30 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html | 19:30 |
| pupnik | with that keyboard | 19:30 |
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| erstazi | ty, pupnik | 19:32 |
| Cegy | ok so i can become root now how do i move the file to where ever it should be and use it? | 19:32 |
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| Cegy | pupnik ? | 19:33 |
| _Monkey | somebody said pupnik was stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry | 19:33 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:33 |
| Cegy | ok so i can become root now how do i move the file to where ever it should be and use it? | 19:34 |
| pupnik | lol | 19:34 |
| pupnik | what file | 19:34 |
| Cegy | i will keep on asking till i get the help but am dumb so i nee step by step help | 19:34 |
| erstazi | pupnik, you must have had your 770 for a while, or you are a busy little fellow | 19:34 |
| Cegy | links2 | 19:34 |
| _Monkey | i think links2 is a lightweight graphical web browser (non-hildon) http://pupnik.de/links2.html | 19:34 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, either way, you are a god (again) | 19:35 |
| pupnik | Cegy: i want to help | 19:35 |
| erstazi | pupnik ++ | 19:35 |
| Cegy | ok :) | 19:35 |
| pupnik | i am just slow and also working on other things | 19:35 |
| Cegy | i've downloaded the links2 file | 19:35 |
| erstazi | Cegy, did you untar it? | 19:35 |
| Cegy | how do u do that :|? | 19:35 |
| pupnik | ok, you can also install it directly from the nokia web browser | 19:35 |
| erstazi | tar -zxvf filename | 19:36 |
| erstazi | make sure you are root | 19:36 |
| erstazi | first | 19:36 |
| pupnik | oh sorry i am wrong | 19:36 |
| Dimm | Does links2 install as mozilla, just a line in menu to select an engine? | 19:36 |
| pupnik | no .deb for links2 sorry | 19:36 |
| Cegy | install it from the nokia web browser how is that done then? | 19:36 |
| erstazi | Cegy, go to xterm | 19:36 |
| pupnik | forget i said that | 19:36 |
| Cegy | ok | 19:36 |
| pupnik | follow erstazi instructions | 19:36 |
| Cegy | ok | 19:36 |
| erstazi | Cegy, then cd /media/mmc1 | 19:36 |
| erstazi | I am suspecting thats where you saved it | 19:36 |
| Cegy | ok 2 secs | 19:37 |
| blkhawk | is there anybody in her willing to get me the contents of their .fbreader directory? | 19:37 |
| erstazi | (that is the external flash) | 19:37 |
| zeenix | bilboed: late pong | 19:37 |
| blkhawk | I really need it to get my install working | 19:37 |
| Cegy | i can only use ssh to become root should i use that to do it ? | 19:37 |
| pupnik | no fbreader here | 19:37 |
| blkhawk | or a 2.0 deb file | 19:37 |
| blkhawk | :( | 19:37 |
| erstazi | Cegy, well, it depends, you can access /media/mmc1 when you connect to the usb | 19:38 |
| bilboed | zeenix, do you know where I can find more gstreamer plugins compiled for n800 ? | 19:38 |
| NeoStrider | snack time! BRB! | 19:38 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, you will have to find a deb that uses the ARM arch | 19:38 |
| bilboed | zeenix, like jpegenc for example | 19:38 |
| zeenix | bilboed: nope :( | 19:38 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: damn - I have got that | 19:38 |
| erstazi | s/uses/is for | 19:38 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: but it is broken | 19:38 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: i have it manually installed | 19:38 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: but it is unable to find its resource files | 19:38 |
| zeenix | bilboed: how hard it is for you to get it build? :) | 19:39 |
| blkhawk | so i have no Menu text or icons | 19:39 |
| erstazi | blkhawk, you must be missing some packages | 19:39 |
| blkhawk | erstazi: no I am not - the deb packages is autobuild | 19:39 |
| bilboed | zeenix, scratchbox is painful to install for one plugin... especially if you don't have a debian-based system | 19:39 |
| blkhawk | it broke sometimes after 2006 came out | 19:39 |
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| Cegy | am there at mmc1 nowwat? | 19:40 |
| blkhawk | nobody noticed because everybody except me can use 2006 | 19:40 |
| erstazi | Cegy, now type: ls | 19:40 |
| blkhawk | I made sure all packeages and librarays are installed - its a simple configuration problem | 19:40 |
| erstazi | tell me if the links2 tgz is there | 19:40 |
| Cegy | yeah u see that file there | 19:40 |
| Cegy | i* | 19:40 |
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| erstazi | tar -zxvf links2_armel_bin.tgz | 19:41 |
| zeenix | bilboed: it wouldn't be a bad idea if you file a bug for this | 19:41 |
| Cegy | done that | 19:41 |
| erstazi | ok now follow the instructions in INSTALL (do you know about the command mv? mv is move) | 19:42 |
| zeenix | bilboed: i imagine many devels would want plugins for n800 that are not there on the device normally | 19:42 |
| bilboed | zeenix, right | 19:42 |
| Cegy | u need to tell me wat to do as i don't know myself as am new to this | 19:42 |
| bilboed | zeenix, even though it means downloading other packages | 19:42 |
| erstazi | Cegy, if ldconfig gives an error about ld.so.conf missing in /etc/, then just vi /etc/ldconfig and save it (if you know how to use vi) | 19:42 |
| erstazi | Cegy, let me pm you, its a little crazy here, kids not listening right now | 19:43 |
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| Ceg | yeah i get an error | 19:43 |
| zeenix | bilboed: yeah! who ever wants jpegenc can then just `apt-get install ..` it | 19:43 |
| Ceg | erstazi ? | 19:44 |
| _Monkey | somebody said erstazi was happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian | 19:44 |
| bilboed | zeenix, you wouldn't happen to have scratchbox ready for compiling just one plugin ? :) | 19:45 |
| erstazi | Ceg, does it say "ls.so.conf doesn't exist" or you don't got permissions or something? | 19:46 |
| Ceg | ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory | 19:46 |
| jarno | What was that dictionary software for 770? | 19:46 |
| erstazi | Ceg, in xterm type: vi /etc/ld.so.conf | 19:46 |
| erstazi | then type :w | 19:46 |
| Ceg | wat :w or w ? | 19:46 |
| erstazi | ":w" without the quotes | 19:46 |
| erstazi | then type :q | 19:47 |
| erstazi | (it wouldn't let me do :wq) | 19:47 |
| erstazi | now run ldconfig | 19:47 |
| Ceg | y | 19:47 |
| erstazi | it gave a warning if I did :wq so I just did it separate, by typing :w then :q | 19:48 |
| jarno | How to run wmv files? Mplayer only show first frame. | 19:48 |
| bilboed | zeenix, sigh... then I guess I have to install scratchbox after all :( | 19:48 |
| Ceg | i can't do anything | 19:48 |
| erstazi | Jaffa, you need the codecs for that, and I do not know if they were ported for the ARM arch | 19:48 |
| Ceg | it just types it in and now | 19:48 |
| Ceg | nothing* | 19:48 |
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| erstazi | Ceg, I suggest reading up on how to use vi, but all you have to do is type :w then hit enter key then type :q and hit enter key | 19:49 |
| erstazi | and it brings you back to terminal | 19:49 |
| erstazi | Ceg, basically, you just made the ld.so.conf so ldconfig can write to it when you run the command ldconfig | 19:49 |
| Ceg | done that wats next? | 19:50 |
| erstazi | did you type ldconfig into the xterm? | 19:50 |
| Ceg | -sh: idconfig: not found | 19:51 |
| erstazi | L not i | 19:51 |
| erstazi | lowercase l | 19:51 |
| Ceg | i mean ldconfig and it doesn'y do anything | 19:52 |
| Ceg | like i need to type something again | 19:52 |
| erstazi | Ceg, thats ok, thats whats suppose to happen | 19:52 |
| Ceg | ok | 19:52 |
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| erstazi | cd /media/mmc1/links2/ | 19:52 |
| erstazi | after that type: ls | 19:52 |
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| blkhawk | I give up | 19:53 |
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| Ceg | yeah done that | 19:53 |
| erstazi | Ceg, ok now verify that links2 is there | 19:54 |
| Ceg | yeah i can see that there | 19:54 |
| erstazi | now we can move links2: mv links2 /usr/bin/links2 | 19:54 |
| Ceg | done that | 19:54 |
| erstazi | ok | 19:54 |
| erstazi | now go to opera and load: http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html | 19:55 |
| erstazi | click Libfakekey0 deb and install that first | 19:55 |
| erstazi | after that is done, then install Matchbox-Keyboard deb | 19:56 |
| erstazi | after all that is done, go to xterm and type: links2 -g | 19:56 |
| bilboed | I want to set up usb networking, according to the wiki, I need to have a development root filesystem flashed on the device. Where can I find those ? | 19:56 |
| erstazi | -g is for graphics | 19:56 |
| erstazi | bilboed, I am not to that level yet, I have seen something on maemo.org about that but haven't attempted it yet... I only have had my 770 for 1 day so far | 19:57 |
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| erstazi | hello fox__ | 20:00 |
| NeoStrider | howdy fox__ | 20:02 |
| Ceg | it saying its missing a file | 20:03 |
| Ceg | libgpm | 20:03 |
| erstazi | Ceg, oh you need to install that | 20:05 |
| erstazi | hold a sec | 20:05 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I forgot where I got libgpm from | 20:05 |
| erstazi | is it in the repos? | 20:05 |
| pupnik | don't remember | 20:06 |
| Ceg | i have it alright i think | 20:06 |
| erstazi | Ceg, ok | 20:06 |
| Ceg | it came in the links2 tar file | 20:06 |
| erstazi | Ceg, oh I thought already moved that | 20:07 |
| erstazi | Ceg, sorry | 20:07 |
| pupnik | i'll put a libgpm on the links2.html page - don't see it in repos | 20:07 |
| Ceg | nah | 20:07 |
| Ceg | so how do i do that? | 20:07 |
| Ceg | :) | 20:07 |
| erstazi | Ceg, back in xterm, make sure you sudo gainroot again | 20:07 |
| Ceg | i am | 20:07 |
| erstazi | ssh or xterm doesn't matter | 20:07 |
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| erstazi | cd /media/mmc1/links2/usr/lib/ | 20:08 |
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| Ceg | shit | 20:09 |
| Ceg | i need to untar it again | 20:09 |
| Ceg | lol | 20:09 |
| pupnik | strange, i don't see a libgpm deb anywhere now | 20:09 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I can try to make one | 20:09 |
| erstazi | for the ARM arch | 20:09 |
| erstazi | then we can submit this to maemo if you want | 20:09 |
| Ceg | how do i untar again? | 20:09 |
| erstazi | tar -zxvf links2_armel_bin.tgz | 20:10 |
| erstazi | make sure you are in the correct directory | 20:10 |
| erstazi | tar -zxvf /media/mmc1/links2_armel_bin.tgz | 20:10 |
| Ceg | done that | 20:10 |
| erstazi | ok | 20:10 |
| Ceg | i'll do cd /media/mmc1/links2/usr/lib/ | 20:10 |
| Ceg | done that | 20:11 |
| erstazi | then type: mv libgpm.so.1.19.6 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1.19.6 | 20:11 |
| Ceg | wats next ;) | 20:11 |
| erstazi | pupnik, should it be: mv libgpm* /usr/lib/libgpm* | 20:11 |
| erstazi | personally, I did: mv libgpm.so.1.19.6 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1.19.6 | 20:11 |
| Ceg | still get the same error | 20:11 |
| erstazi | Ceg, should it be: mv libgpm* /usr/lib/libgpm* | 20:12 |
| Ceg | i don't know | 20:12 |
| pupnik | then i think you want to ln -s /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1.19.6 /usr/lib/libgpm.so && ldconfig | 20:12 |
| Ceg | am ne to this | 20:12 |
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| pupnik | ok you can also copy several files | 20:12 |
| pupnik | that works too, ldconfig might complain about it though | 20:12 |
| Ceg | nah it works | 20:13 |
| Ceg | just can't get the virtual keyboard to work now | 20:14 |
| Ceg | i've installed it and that | 20:14 |
| Ceg | or do i need to restart it? | 20:14 |
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| erstazi | Ceg, that should be it, now type in xterm: links2 -g | 20:15 |
| erstazi | I thought we did matchbox-kbd | 20:15 |
| Ceg | yeah links2 works but no virtual keyboard | 20:15 |
| Ceg | we did | 20:15 |
| erstazi | hmm | 20:15 |
| Ceg | i'll reinstall them, 2 files again | 20:15 |
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| erstazi | ok | 20:17 |
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| pupnik | libgpm deb package is up on links2.html fwiw | 20:19 |
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| erstazi | I cannot get the matchbox-kbd done but I need to wash some dishes here before I get some company coming | 20:21 |
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| Ceg | still can't get the virtual keyboard to work | 20:26 |
| pupnik | if you type matchbox-keyboard in an xterm what happens? | 20:26 |
| pupnik | i should alias that to 'mbkbd' or something | 20:27 |
| Ceg | still don't work | 20:29 |
| Ceg | no | 20:29 |
| Ceg | it works | 20:29 |
| Ceg | shit tho | 20:29 |
| Ceg | as u can't hide it | 20:29 |
| Ceg | :|# | 20:29 |
| pupnik | yep | 20:29 |
| pupnik | there's no hide/restore button | 20:29 |
| pupnik | i want it to hide to a corner of the screen (a little icon) that you can click-on to restore it | 20:30 |
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| Ceg | uintill then its pointless i think | 20:30 |
| pupnik | refresh the links2 page, i linked to a thread that shows you how to hide/restore it | 20:31 |
| Ceg | if it more typeing that no thanks its pointless | 20:31 |
| pupnik | this is all brand new stuff, so it's not userfriendly yet | 20:31 |
| erstazi | interesting | 20:31 |
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| erstazi | ok time to do the dishes I will be back | 20:32 |
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| erstazi | done | 20:46 |
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| pupnik | ssh? | 20:57 |
| _Monkey | i think ssh is a massive overhead for the N800's tiny little processor though | 20:57 |
| pupnik | ssh? | 20:57 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it ssh is a 'secure shell' client/server. It lets you get access to the linux shell on my Tablet. See http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ | 20:57 |
| Robot101 | ssh isn't a massive overhead, that's nonsense | 20:58 |
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| Robot101 | the reason it's slow is because the wifi antenna is only powered up when the tablet is sending, so incoming connections and keypresses fall on deaf ears | 20:59 |
| Robot101 | the solution is once you ssh in, run ping on the device | 20:59 |
| pupnik | using dropbear and running ping, i only get 100-200kB/s with scp -c blowfish | 21:00 |
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| pupnik | i'll have to test a comparison with nfs someday | 21:00 |
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| pupnik | while running a scp -r -c blowfish from rootfs to PC i see about 57-67% cpu | 21:04 |
| pupnik | that speed figure was on it2006 with writes to mmc btw | 21:05 |
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| Robot101 | hm, I was thinking of ssh literally, rather than scp | 21:06 |
| pupnik | hehe | 21:06 |
| Robot101 | writing to the mmc/flash is pretty slow though, comparing to ramdisk might be interesting | 21:06 |
| Robot101 | and -c none | 21:06 |
| pupnik | is -c none an option? | 21:06 |
| erstazi | nfs on the 770? | 21:06 |
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| Robot101 | there's definitely a way of turning off the encryption, yes | 21:07 |
| Robot101 | it might not be that though | 21:07 |
| pupnik | hmm it accepted -c none | 21:07 |
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| pupnik | oh Ignoring unknown argument... dropbear doesn't even know the -c command | 21:08 |
| erstazi | oops, little x means close | 21:08 |
| pupnik | erstazi: there are alternate kernels compiled with nfs support for it2006 - i haven't used it yet | 21:09 |
| erstazi | oh | 21:09 |
| pupnik | i am still using a potato as a 770 stand with the power-jack plugged in | 21:09 |
| erstazi | oh mine came with a little stand | 21:11 |
| kamihacker | Robot101, turning of the encryption on ssh? I highly doubt it, it wouldn't be scp/ssh then | 21:11 |
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| kamihacker | Robot101, if you don't want encryption use plain old rsync without piping it through ssh | 21:12 |
| Robot101 | you can still do host identity checks, passwordless login, etc, but not encrypt the stream | 21:12 |
| erstazi | why do you not want encryption? | 21:13 |
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| kamihacker | Robot101, maybe with dropbear, I doubt openssh does that | 21:14 |
| kamihacker | Robot101, in fact I think it would be out of the RFC | 21:14 |
| Robot101 | erstazi: for performance if eg scp is CPU-bound on the 770/N800 | 21:15 |
| pupnik | erstazi: would appreciate faster filetransfers over wifi | 21:15 |
| Robot101 | if you're copying a file over your LAN from your PC to your tablet, the chances of a MITM by your next-door neighbour are slim, especially if you have a WPA network, which has the benefit of being done for you in hardware | 21:16 |
| Robot101 | (well, some of it) | 21:16 |
| phabulosa | HI! I am absolutely a beginner and I need your help | 21:16 |
| phabulosa | I tried to run all installation scripts for maemo 3.1 dev environment, and it works somehow. My problem is that I cannot run "apt-get update", it says repository.maemo.org cannot be found, but I can "wget" anything from inside scratchbox successfully. Any clue? | 21:16 |
| pupnik | nsswitch? | 21:17 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=scratchbox+nsswitch | 21:18 |
| erstazi | I see | 21:19 |
| pupnik | if you come up with the definitive answer please teach _Monkey | 21:20 |
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| phabulosa | pupnik, thanks, now my apt-get update works! | 21:26 |
| pupnik | phabulosa: what URL had the best description of the solution? | 21:26 |
| phabulosa | pupnik, I followed the first google hit: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 21:27 |
| pupnik | ok | 21:27 |
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| pupnik | ty | 21:27 |
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| phabulosa | pupnik, that link does not has any explaination, do you have some? what does nsswitch do? | 21:28 |
| pupnik | it tells the order of how to resolve dns queries | 21:28 |
| pupnik | so when you try to connect to www.google.com it usually first checks /etc/hosts, then sends a dns query | 21:29 |
| phabulosa | and then? but what I cannot understand is why "wget" can work, but not "apt-get" | 21:30 |
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| pupnik | i don't remember | 21:32 |
| phabulosa | :) pupnik, I will do some research and I will let you know if we meet here again next time. | 21:32 |
| pupnik | ok cheers | 21:33 |
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| phabulosa | I was trying to upgrade from maemo 3.1 to maemo 3.2, but the package "module-init-tools" was kept back, does it matter? | 21:58 |
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| suma | hi i got a problem when i try to run asterisk on maemo | 22:09 |
| suma | Nokia770-49:/usr/sbin# ls -al asterisk | 22:09 |
| suma | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 717528 Dec 11 23:26 asterisk | 22:09 |
| suma | Nokia770-49:/usr/sbin# ./asterisk | 22:09 |
| suma | -sh: ./asterisk: not found | 22:09 |
| suma | looks funny to everyone, can someone please help me on this | 22:09 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 22:14 |
| pupnik | sure it's an armel file? | 22:16 |
| suma | pupnik: how would i check that ? | 22:17 |
| pupnik | how did you install asterisk? | 22:17 |
| suma | pupnik: i download from this link http://www.cayennegraphics.com/asterisk770/asterisk-1.2.1-nokia770-arm-binary.tar.gz | 22:18 |
| suma | and installed with tar | 22:18 |
| pupnik | bingo | 22:18 |
| suma | or with the instructions mentioned over there http://www.cayennegraphics.com/asterisk770/ | 22:18 |
| pupnik | it's for IT2005 | 22:18 |
| suma | oh | 22:18 |
| suma | oops | 22:19 |
| pupnik | "arm" is for it2005 and "armel" is for it2006 afaik | 22:19 |
| suma | i c | 22:19 |
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| suma | you have any idea where i can get the armel for asterisk for IT2006 ? | 22:20 |
| pupnik | no i'm sorry - finding packages is a real pita | 22:20 |
| suma | pupnik: i understand | 22:20 |
| pupnik | also it might help the world if you emailed the guy who runs that page | 22:21 |
| pupnik | ask him/her to update it with a new build, or at least mention that it's only for it2005 | 22:21 |
| suma | pupnik: is there is anyway to get the development environment to get setup in powerpc processor ? | 22:21 |
| pupnik | if you have the scratchbox packages and qemu, maybe | 22:22 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik, arm is for it2005 only (confirmation) | 22:32 |
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| zeenix | bilboed: if you can wait till tomorrow, i can do it for you | 22:39 |
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| pupnik | multiboot? | 22:54 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 22:54 |
| NeoStrider | lunch... | 22:56 |
| pupnik | Bom apetite! | 22:58 |
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| erstazi | howdy everyone | 23:01 |
| pupnik | Eip? ole n?hty aikoihin | 23:02 |
| pupnik | did that come out as "Eip?" | 23:02 |
| erstazi | heh | 23:02 |
| pupnik | or Epia with a curly over the a? | 23:03 |
| erstazi | the former | 23:03 |
| pupnik | ok thanks | 23:04 |
| erstazi | I have UTF-8 | 23:04 |
| pupnik | that "was nice to see you" in finnish, mangled by synergy and rxvt | 23:04 |
| pupnik | I, for one, welcome our new Finnish overlords! | 23:04 |
| pupnik | oh no - "long time no see" | 23:05 |
| pupnik | so erstazi are you happy with your new device? | 23:06 |
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| tigert | pupnik: actually it means "wow, we havent seen for ages" literally | 23:41 |
| tigert | though the meaning you said sure does fit | 23:41 |
| tigert | or, yes, "long time no see" | 23:42 |
| pupnik | how complex instructions and how much local memory does the dsp have? | 23:47 |
| pupnik | silly question i suppose | 23:47 |
| pupnik | could a SB16 emulator run entirely on the 770 DSP? | 23:48 |
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| NeoStrider | "<pupnik> Bom apetite" NICE! | 23:56 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/ i wonder what could all be done with that DSP | 23:57 |
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