| roundeye | hey cosmo you konw where i can confim that i am useing hte dns server i chose? | 00:01 |
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| roundeye | i try cating out /etc/resolve.conf | 00:02 |
| roundeye | but it stil says 127.0.0.1 | 00:02 |
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| cosmo | hm, weird. i think it should be in resolv.conf | 00:02 |
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| roundeye | i tried manul change in resolve.conf but no dice | 00:02 |
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| Disconnect | maemo uses a dns cache | 00:02 |
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| roundeye | the problem is that the current name server dose not resolve tmomail.net so i cant send txt msg to my gf | 00:03 |
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| roundeye | i thougt that by using a dns server that did i would change the problem | 00:03 |
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| roundeye | how can i verify what dns server im using | 00:05 |
| roundeye | cosmo what does your /etc/resolve.conf say? | 00:05 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: there? | 00:06 |
| _Monkey | there is some app that is drawing a lot of power | 00:07 |
| cosmo | 127.0.0.1 | 00:07 |
| roundeye | hmm | 00:07 |
| aCiDBaSe | yes | 00:07 |
| roundeye | where is the dns info held? | 00:07 |
| cosmo | i'll go to bed, good luck | 00:07 |
| roundeye | k take it easy | 00:08 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: so i'm going to try getting my new python packages to understand the compressed stuff | 00:08 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: is 04-import.patch the right patch? | 00:08 |
| roundeye | whats the recipient not found on server about | 00:08 |
| roundeye | at home there is no problem sending mail | 00:08 |
| roundeye | from work it tells me "ecipient not found on server" | 00:09 |
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| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: yes... this patch modify the behavior of the python standard import hook... | 00:09 |
| robtaylor | cool, i'll try pulling it in and see what happens | 00:09 |
| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: you can take a look at this thread in python-dev: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-November/057959.html | 00:11 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: cool, thanks :) | 00:11 |
| roundeye | where is the dns information stored on the 770 mistrasl | 00:12 |
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| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: a quick summary: I'm introducing a "bug" of zipimport hook in standard import hook. | 00:13 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: yep, figure that much | 00:18 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: what's the plan going forward? | 00:18 |
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| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: I don't know :/ I'm thinking about stop zip the python modules and start to use python-{support,central}... | 00:20 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: its all a bit hard really :/ | 00:29 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: i guess you don't want to distribute python source, and thats quite at odds with teh current debian scheme, i think | 00:30 |
| robtaylor | :/ | 00:30 |
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| aCiDBaSe | yes, this is a big problem (I don't like the idea of bytecompiling python modules during installation too) | 00:32 |
| aCiDBaSe | I think that we need to take a look into python-{support,central} and suggest some changes... | 00:33 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: yeah, this'll take some discussion with the debian guys.. shame we missed debconf :) | 00:34 |
| aCiDBaSe | :) | 00:34 |
| robtaylor | I wonder... | 00:34 |
| robtaylor | hmm | 00:35 |
| robtaylor | nope,can't think of a good way to do it | 00:36 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: so, at the moment, with python2.5-runtime etc, you don't actually distribute the source, right? | 00:36 |
| aCiDBaSe | right... only the .pyo/.so files... | 00:37 |
| aCiDBaSe | and .pyc/py in *-dev packages... | 00:37 |
| robtaylor | which makes sense | 00:38 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: the optimised builds are dependant on a particular version of theinterpreter, right? | 00:39 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: thats the main problem for debian guys (and for us for some degree) | 00:40 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: cos just installing the pyo would break if you upgraded python, right? | 00:41 |
| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: nopz... the difference between pyc and pyo files are: pyo doesn't include the assertions and docstrings... | 00:42 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: so a pyo should be readable by all 2.5.x? | 00:42 |
| robtaylor | same, pyc | 00:43 |
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| aCiDBaSe | yes... even the pyo/pyc from 2.4.x | 00:43 |
| robtaylor | hmm, but debian byte-compiles the sources into sperate dirs for python2.5/2.4/2.3/2.6... | 00:45 |
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| aCiDBaSe | yes... because we can have changes in modules for one version of python to other... | 00:45 |
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| robtaylor | mm | 00:46 |
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| robtaylor | ick, the only way to do this is to have a completely different set of packaging to debian :( | 00:47 |
| robtaylor | I guess we could have a clever tool that generates python2.5-foo from python-foo that provides python-foo | 00:48 |
| robtaylor | but thats a bit ick | 00:48 |
| aCiDBaSe | yes... we've to make a big change in the current build system *and* some changes in python-{support,central} to make this packages good for devices with constraints of disk space and CPU... | 00:50 |
| robtaylor | yep | 00:51 |
| robtaylor | well you don;t even really want python-central on small disk space | 00:51 |
| aCiDBaSe | we'll do that but we need a good plan to make this happen before start the job... | 00:52 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: i think this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about | 00:54 |
| robtaylor | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MaemoPackagingCleanup | 00:55 |
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| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: cool... they are planning to use python-central (preferably) | 01:03 |
| robtaylor | yep | 01:03 |
| robtaylor | they want to have standard packaging like on debian | 01:04 |
| robtaylor | but they havn't realised the downside | 01:04 |
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| aCiDBaSe | yes... they will find the "problems" :) | 01:04 |
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| aCiDBaSe | but I think we need work together with Ubuntu guys and make the suggestions to change the python-central to accomplish our needs to them... | 01:06 |
| robtaylor | yeah | 01:07 |
| aCiDBaSe | create some system that enable us to bytecompile the python modules during package building (instead of during the installation) and distribute only the bytecode version of the modules... | 01:07 |
| robtaylor | i can;t see a good solution yet though | 01:07 |
| robtaylor | the problem with that is it means everyone needs to have the old problem | 01:08 |
| robtaylor | of having python2.4-foo and 2.5-foo in their debian/control | 01:08 |
| robtaylor | i don;t think we could pursaude people to go back to that | 01:08 |
| aCiDBaSe | yes... you are right... | 01:09 |
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| robtaylor | maybe there's a way to get dh_genchages to add packages not in control | 01:12 |
| robtaylor | ah, oh, its dpkg-genchanges, of course | 01:13 |
| robtaylor | so it just carea sbout having a correctly unpacked tree to add | 01:13 |
| robtaylor | mm | 01:14 |
| robtaylor | it might be possible to have make a script that automaticlaly generates byte-compliled variations which provide the original | 01:15 |
| robtaylor | amke make that done by sh_pycentral | 01:15 |
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| roundeye | wtf is up with maemo.org | 01:20 |
| roundeye | damn thing keeps going down all day | 01:20 |
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| milhouse | maemo.org is ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) | 01:21 |
| roundeye | where is here im in los angeles | 01:23 |
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| milhouse | roundeye: sorry for not specifying :) i'm in London, UK | 01:24 |
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| fro1 | garage seems dead from IT as well | 01:25 |
| tigert | from here too | 01:26 |
| tigert | suck | 01:26 |
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| derf | garage responds intermittently for me. | 01:28 |
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| derf | Or at least it did as of a few hours ago. | 01:28 |
| derf | If you wait a _really_ long time, a page shows up. | 01:29 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: damn, just putting in the import patch doesnt help :/ | 01:31 |
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| unique311 | omfg | 01:37 |
| unique311 | i give up... | 01:37 |
| unique311 | i'm goind bsd | 01:37 |
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| joshin | How much of a pain is it to port an app to work with maemo? Lincity, I'm looking at you... | 01:47 |
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| fro1 | joshin: depends on the app | 01:49 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: ah, my bad, patch didn't apply | 01:49 |
| joshin | fro1: Ok, that tells me that it is going to suck for all definitions of the word suck. :) | 01:50 |
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| kamihacker | greetings | 01:52 |
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| tigert | fro1: basic stuff is probably easy | 02:08 |
| tigert | fro1: the hard part is usually the user interface | 02:08 |
| tigert | because, while it might work just out of the box (well, it's linux, gtk and X11 anyway..) | 02:08 |
| tigert | what matters is the user scenario is a lot different on a handheld device | 02:08 |
| tigert | so the ui should be re-thought for touchscreen, mostly finger-use | 02:09 |
| tigert | this is harder to do | 02:09 |
| tigert | and takes effort | 02:09 |
| fro1 | I know | 02:09 |
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| fro1 | joshin: tigert has been a lot more exhaustive than me | 02:09 |
| tigert | oh heh, and I nicely mixed the person I talked to | 02:10 |
| tigert | anyway, this was naturally meant for joshin | 02:10 |
| joshin | Thanks. I was just looking at LinCity and thinking of how neat that would be on the 770/800 | 02:10 |
| tigert | yeah | 02:12 |
| tigert | then again the touchscreen ui can actually make very interesting input possibilities for games and other apps | 02:12 |
| tigert | because you can poke things directly | 02:12 |
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| Luria | anyone gotten an nx client working with the n800? | 02:37 |
| jonnylamb | Luria: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/02/18/nx-and-the-nokia-770 | 02:39 |
| Luria | yeah, i read that | 02:39 |
| Luria | but its almost 6month old | 02:40 |
| jonnylamb | That's all I know I'm afraid. | 02:40 |
| Luria | k, thanks | 02:40 |
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| roundeye | any one konw where i can get some dns tools | 02:46 |
| roundeye | for mistral | 02:46 |
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| pupnik_ | i complain about the dpad constantly - it is horrible for games and fast movement - but is is well designed for slow clicks through menus | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | we should give the designers some respect | 02:58 |
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| derf | I basically want to use the d-pad for one thing: scrolling around web pages. | 02:59 |
| derf | For that, it is horrible. | 03:00 |
| pupnik | ah | 03:00 |
| pupnik | it clicks up and down | 03:00 |
| pupnik | what is the problem? | 03:00 |
| _Monkey | the problem is probably when I try to save the javascript as bookmark, the script is too long and gets truncated so it won't work on the default opera browser in N770 | 03:00 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget "the problem" | 03:01 |
| _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching "the problem" | 03:01 |
| derf | pupnik: Well, part of that is the browser's fault more than the d-pad's. | 03:01 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget "he problem | 03:01 |
| _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching "he problem | 03:01 |
| derf | In that clicking up and down doesn't scroll. | 03:01 |
| derf | It jumps between links. | 03:01 |
| derf | You have to hold it down to scroll. | 03:01 |
| milhouse | forget problem | 03:01 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot problem | 03:01 |
| pupnik | ok | 03:01 |
| derf | And then it scrolls way too fast. | 03:02 |
| pupnik | derf do you think the people complaining about acmonitor battery life degradation are hallucinating? | 03:02 |
| pupnik | i'm considering running some tests | 03:02 |
| derf | Please do. | 03:02 |
| pupnik | i'm the drunkest person in this channel. anybody can set up a cronjob to echo times to a text file and see how long a battery takes to die | 03:03 |
| roundeye | ok | 03:07 |
| roundeye | where do you put the super tux data after install of supertux,deb | 03:07 |
| derf | Actually, reviewing the code, it looks like it will continue to ping the network once a minute if it was connected when you unplugged it (until it's disconnected). | 03:07 |
| derf | But I wouldn't think once a minute would drastically affect battery life. | 03:08 |
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| NeoStrider | g'night fellas | 03:51 |
| unique311 | huh | 03:53 |
| unique311 | NeoStrider, did ya get smw going? | 03:53 |
| NeoStrider | didnt tried it | 03:53 |
| NeoStrider | yet | 03:53 |
| NeoStrider | just got into my computer | 03:54 |
| NeoStrider | im checkin out the svn | 03:54 |
| NeoStrider | is the garage website dead? | 03:54 |
| NeoStrider | ok...now I finally got it | 03:54 |
| NeoStrider | but im trying since this day morning | 03:55 |
| NeoStrider | (here is 21:55 PM) | 03:55 |
| unique311 | not sure whats going on with maemo.. | 03:55 |
| unique311 | probably maintainance.. | 03:55 |
| NeoStrider | I dunno | 03:56 |
| unique311 | maemo not loading for me here | 03:56 |
| NeoStrider | wow | 03:57 |
| NeoStrider | where are you from? | 03:57 |
| NeoStrider | im on SMW website...its like jumps and bumps?! | 03:58 |
| NeoStrider | anyone willing to try my game? | 03:59 |
| unique311 | maemo.org working for you | 03:59 |
| NeoStrider | everything is up here | 04:00 |
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| V-I-P | lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln | 04:33 |
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| NeoStrider | just tried smw | 04:35 |
| NeoStrider | IT ROCKS! | 04:35 |
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| zakx | anyone here knowing who's in charge of maemo.org? | 05:40 |
| NeoStrider | good question | 05:41 |
| NeoStrider | I guess is it ferenc? | 05:41 |
| zakx | i'd like to mirror the actual website and wiki as it's freaking slow but i really don't know who to contact | 05:41 |
| zakx | only thing the website says is, that it's sponsored by nokia | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | well..the website seem to be a bit unstable these couple days | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | today the garage was unacessible to me | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | and the SVN still is | 05:43 |
| zakx | seems like it's hosted somewhere in finland | 05:43 |
| zakx | the responsibility's just horrible | 05:43 |
| zakx | err, availability | 05:44 |
| NeoStrider | well...nokia is a finish company... | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | finnish | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | (finish or finnish?) | 05:45 |
| zakx | Finland, but finnish | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | but about availability, its temporary | 05:45 |
| zakx | temporary? | 05:45 |
| zakx | it has been like that since i purchased my n800 in may | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | I hope so | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | what website are you browsing? | 05:46 |
| procto | where are you zakx? | 05:46 |
| zakx | maemo.org | 05:46 |
| _Monkey | maemo.org is ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) | 05:46 |
| zakx | i'm sitting in germany | 05:46 |
| procto | it's not the fastest thing ever | 05:46 |
| zakx | yeah, i know | 05:46 |
| procto | but it's fairly responsive | 05:46 |
| procto | and I'm in the US | 05:46 |
| zakx | i hate waiting around 120 secords for 3KB | 05:47 |
| NeoStrider | strange | 05:47 |
| NeoStrider | Im in Brazil (POTS!) and I still can browse it | 05:47 |
| NeoStrider | indeed my project is hosted on the garage | 05:47 |
| NeoStrider | its quite fast | 05:47 |
| NeoStrider | I downloaded the intire SDK from there | 05:47 |
| zakx | the repository's fast here too | 05:48 |
| zakx | but the main web site isn't | 05:48 |
| NeoStrider | everything here is fast, when its working | 05:48 |
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| kamihacker | it's been on and off since this afternoon | 06:04 |
| kamihacker | they have reverse proxy in front | 06:04 |
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| kamihacker | and it seems to be having issues | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 06:09 |
| NeoStrider | I cant acess garage SVN for about 24 hours | 06:09 |
| unique311 | smw is working for you neo? | 06:16 |
| unique311 | NeoStrider, | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | sorry | 06:17 |
| NeoStrider | desktop yes | 06:17 |
| NeoStrider | 770 no | 06:17 |
| unique311 | aww man. | 06:17 |
| unique311 | so it only works on the n800 | 06:17 |
| unique311 | not a good thing... | 06:17 |
| NeoStrider | but works the way it should be or need hacking? | 06:18 |
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| unique311 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/900249617/ | 06:18 |
| unique311 | screenies | 06:18 |
| unique311 | of windowed mode | 06:18 |
| unique311 | can't do a fullscreen.. | 06:19 |
| unique311 | not sure how. | 06:19 |
| unique311 | window mode sucks...missing 10 percent of the screen at the bottom | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | the game is very funny! | 06:20 |
| NeoStrider | a friend of mine did a clone ,sometime ago, in SDL too | 06:21 |
| unique311 | smc? | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | jumps and bumps | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | its the same thing | 06:21 |
| unique311 | i need super maryo chronicles....i'm going thru hell trying to install ubuntu with working wifi | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | we indeed presented it in a college event | 06:22 |
| NeoStrider | i have nightmares about wifi on ubuntu | 06:22 |
| unique311 | i need to do a video of gameplay on the N800 | 06:22 |
| unique311 | get that done now...and upload it.. | 06:22 |
| NeoStrider | the most visited post on my blog is about my complains about it | 06:22 |
| NeoStrider | whats your wifi, unique311? | 06:23 |
| NeoStrider | ( http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/d-link-dwl-g122-rev-c-and-ubuntu-gnulinux/ ) | 06:23 |
| unique311 | linksys | 06:23 |
| unique311 | wpa is not working.. | 06:23 |
| unique311 | i have security set high.. | 06:24 |
| unique311 | the password encrytion is set to wpa2 | 06:24 |
| unique311 | wpa-supplicant is not playing nice. | 06:25 |
| unique311 | so i tried fedora | 06:25 |
| unique311 | same thing.. | 06:25 |
| NeoStrider | actually, I know sh*t about wifi | 06:25 |
| NeoStrider | so maybe it would work...but I dont want to hack everything on my computer to make it work | 06:26 |
| NeoStrider | sometimes you just it to "just work" | 06:26 |
| NeoStrider | we all are already busy with our projects | 06:26 |
| NeoStrider | and my ad-hoc+proxy scheme it not working with the 770 anymore... | 06:28 |
| NeoStrider | any idea? | 06:28 |
| unique311 | hold on | 06:29 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 06:30 |
| unique311 | sorry about that... | 06:37 |
| unique311 | made a shitty video just now.. | 06:38 |
| NeoStrider | we all do shitty videos ;-) | 06:38 |
| unique311 | no..i do shitty videos... | 06:39 |
| unique311 | ad-hoc proxy scheme.. | 06:39 |
| unique311 | not a clue | 06:39 |
| unique311 | sorry | 06:39 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 06:40 |
| unique311 | uploading video now... | 06:40 |
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| NeoStrider | now...to the shitty video | 06:40 |
| NeoStrider | youtube? | 06:40 |
| unique311 | yea | 06:40 |
| unique311 | only 6mb | 06:40 |
| NeoStrider | lets see who's got the most shitty video... | 06:40 |
| unique311 | not big at all | 06:40 |
| NeoStrider | my last was 16 MB | 06:41 |
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| NeoStrider | most of dark stuff and out of focus 770 | 06:41 |
| unique311 | i record my videos on my ppc6700 | 06:41 |
| unique311 | doesn't get any shitti(er) | 06:42 |
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| unique311 | 1.3 mp | 06:42 |
| unique311 | its a phone for god sakes... | 06:42 |
| NeoStrider | 3.1 mp...but shitty light capture sensors | 06:42 |
| unique311 | if you are using a camera you go tme beat | 06:42 |
| NeoStrider | mine is a camera... | 06:42 |
| NeoStrider | "tme beat"? | 06:43 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Debx9ppuY6U | 06:43 |
| unique311 | here goes nothing | 06:44 |
| unique311 | check it out everybody | 06:44 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Debx9ppuY6U | 06:44 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Debx9ppuY6U | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | caching... | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | looks way better than my videos =-P | 06:44 |
| unique311 | hmmm. slow connection... | 06:44 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:44 |
| unique311 | wow | 06:44 |
| unique311 | i under estimate my ppc | 06:45 |
| unique311 | speed on the game is on normal.. | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | television on background...where is the game audio? | 06:45 |
| unique311 | oh... | 06:46 |
| unique311 | my volume is down | 06:46 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:46 |
| unique311 | redo | 06:46 |
| unique311 | actually...no my volume was up.. | 06:46 |
| unique311 | sound worked yesterday.. | 06:46 |
| NeoStrider | strange... | 06:47 |
| unique311 | maybe i change the settings and too sound off | 06:47 |
| unique311 | hold on | 06:47 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 06:47 |
| unique311 | sound is grey'd out. | 06:49 |
| unique311 | wtf | 06:49 |
| NeoStrider | "its mario!" =-p | 06:50 |
| unique311 | i did run it the first time as root | 06:50 |
| unique311 | maybe tis why | 06:50 |
| NeoStrider | whats the key for pause? | 06:50 |
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| NeoStrider | yeah..maybe its that | 06:50 |
| unique311 | enter... | 06:50 |
| unique311 | but you can keymap in options>controls | 06:51 |
| NeoStrider | I see...I guess you should change this | 06:51 |
| unique311 | all the keys on the dvice can be mapped | 06:51 |
| NeoStrider | the meny key is a good candidate | 06:51 |
| NeoStrider | but change the default | 06:51 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider: that doesn't look right | 06:51 |
| unique311 | yes | 06:51 |
| unique311 | but i want my sound... | 06:51 |
| NeoStrider | the average joe wont know about it | 06:51 |
| unique311 | think when you run it as root you get sound.. | 06:51 |
| unique311 | not sure why | 06:52 |
| NeoStrider | maybe its acess to /dev/dsp (or something like that) | 06:53 |
| unique311 | turn the device off and try... | 06:54 |
| unique311 | i tried it as root | 06:54 |
| unique311 | no go | 06:54 |
| unique311 | really sucks.. | 06:55 |
| unique311 | go from having sound..to it acting up.. | 06:55 |
| unique311 | hmm | 06:56 |
| unique311 | sound works again | 06:56 |
| unique311 | bug1 | 06:56 |
| unique311 | do another video with sound...and then attend to my notebook... | 06:57 |
| NeoStrider | be sure to double test it before going on making the video | 06:58 |
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| unique311 | think i know why the sound didn't want to work.... | 06:59 |
| unique311 | i brung down framerate to 40 | 06:59 |
| unique311 | and 60 is normal.. | 07:00 |
| unique311 | i did change it back to 60 and did the reboot.. | 07:00 |
| unique311 | but i'll look into that more | 07:00 |
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| unique311 | uploading | 07:07 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5P9_TqhD8 | 07:18 |
| unique311 | sound | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | lets check it out | 07:18 |
| unique311 | i suck at it.. | 07:21 |
| NeoStrider | almost every gamedev suck at the games he make...thats why he's a gamedev =-P | 07:22 |
| unique311 | i didn't make this game.. | 07:24 |
| unique311 | not a gamedev either... | 07:24 |
| NeoStrider | but you ported it...this makes you part of the chain | 07:24 |
| unique311 | no | 07:24 |
| unique311 | pupnik compiled it. | 07:24 |
| unique311 | my scratchbox ws broken. | 07:24 |
| unique311 | I tried porting it, but was getting sdl errors | 07:25 |
| unique311 | pupnik compiled it witout no errors. | 07:25 |
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| unique311 | when i get scratchbox up..i will take a look at the source and see if i can get it to fill up the fullscreen. | 07:26 |
| NeoStrider | hahahah...great | 07:27 |
| unique311 | if you have a keyboard...it comes with a level editor. | 07:27 |
| NeoStrider | and....music is always welcome ;-) | 07:27 |
| unique311 | yes | 07:27 |
| unique311 | hopefully i get ubuntu working | 07:28 |
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| unique311 | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=70514 | 07:29 |
| unique311 | aiming for this on the n800 when i get scratchbox up. | 07:29 |
| NeoStrider | cool game! | 07:33 |
| NeoStrider | super tux game engine? | 07:33 |
| unique311 | no clue | 07:34 |
| unique311 | its definitely a project | 07:35 |
| unique311 | ported to the gp32x already | 07:35 |
| NeoStrider | what wasnt ported to it? =-p | 07:36 |
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| NeoStrider | well...i give up | 07:38 |
| NeoStrider | i cant get the radar to work on angstron | 07:38 |
| NeoStrider | i will try more later | 07:38 |
| NeoStrider | im too damn tired... | 07:38 |
| NeoStrider | almost 2 AM here | 07:39 |
| NeoStrider | see you all later | 07:39 |
| NeoStrider | g'night | 07:39 |
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| rcaron | my 770 is just in a restart loop. just see the nokia logo (doesn't even get to the hands) | 07:41 |
| rcaron | i've left the batt out for an hour to let it cold start and have kept it on AC after that to make sure its charged - no change | 07:41 |
| Presence_ | you might be able to get in remotely if you have ssh | 07:41 |
| Presence_ | unlikely though | 07:42 |
| Presence_ | might have to flash it :( | 07:42 |
| rcaron | never got around to setting up an sshd. only had dropbear on it | 07:43 |
| Presence_ | same thing :) | 07:43 |
| rcaron | well, as a client. | 07:43 |
| Presence_ | ah, ok | 07:43 |
| Presence_ | probably going to have to flash it | 07:43 |
| Presence_ | if you plug it into a pc you probably will stay in usb mode | 07:43 |
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| rcaron | continues to restart, although the usb symbol does flash for a moment in the upper right corner | 07:47 |
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| megabyte405 | rcaron: hold down the home button as you plug it in | 07:53 |
| megabyte405 | this will put it into firmware flashing mod | 07:53 |
| megabyte405 | e | 07:53 |
| megabyte405 | then reflash | 07:54 |
| megabyte405 | the windows utility talks you through that | 07:54 |
| rcaron | thx megabyte405. got a link to the linux utility by any chance? | 07:59 |
| megabyte405 | rcaron: search maemo.org | 08:02 |
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| rcaron | the website backend seems to be broken. i'm getting errors in the headers about midcom | 08:04 |
| rcaron | ugh. following the wiki flashing procedures. when i turn it on after the flasher is waiting, it detects briefly but then it does a restart and i'm dumped back to command line | 08:10 |
| disq | uh. corrupt vmware image file. the friday nightmare begins | 08:11 |
| rcaron | so is this thing bricked? | 08:13 |
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| megabyte405 | rcaron: it's very, very tough to brick them, but possible. Can you get it to stay at the white Nokia screen with the USB connection logo in the corner? | 08:34 |
| megabyte405 | if you can, then you can flash. | 08:34 |
| megabyte405 | (that's what happens when you hold down the home key, with the AC unplugged and the USB plugged in) | 08:34 |
| megabyte405 | I'm out - good luck! | 08:34 |
| rcaron | well, it looks like i got lucky. reflashing now | 08:36 |
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| Savi_Bot | hello | 09:20 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, Savi_Bot | 09:21 |
| Savi_Bot | hello monkey | 09:21 |
| Savi_Bot | guys i cant run gps on my nokia 770 where to get hildon-libs0 ????? | 09:21 |
| Savi_Bot | any idea where i could probably download it? | 09:22 |
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| MDK | hildon-libs is one of the core ui/widget libraries | 09:31 |
| MDK | you must already have it on the device | 09:31 |
| tigert | I think the problem is | 09:32 |
| inz | Even if it is running IT2005 | 09:32 |
| tigert | you try to install a newer package or such? | 09:32 |
| MDK | it's prolly sh libs stuff | 09:33 |
| tigert | is the app for os2006 or 7? | 09:33 |
| tigert | btw | 09:33 |
| tigert | looks like gregale misses debconf package | 09:33 |
| tigert | which is required by openssh | 09:33 |
| MDK | I think we had a screwup in the latest mistral update | 09:33 |
| MDK | everything built against that would not be installable in the prev releases | 09:33 |
| tigert | I had to add the maemo bora base repo in order to install ssh on gregale | 09:33 |
| MDK | even though it's binary/API compatible | 09:33 |
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| MDK | it's just that deps/versions are screwed | 09:34 |
| tigert | I just never noticed my ssh dep problem since the backup too had backed up my repositories | 09:34 |
| tigert | which is an interesting scenario otherwise too, when you restore a backup from an old software release, you get the old repositories.. | 09:35 |
| tigert | perhaps we should start using some variable for distro name there? would that work? | 09:35 |
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| tigert | so instead of "bora" it would have "$current_release" somehow | 09:36 |
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| MDK | btw, is there an updated plankton? or the version on your blog is the latest and greatest? | 09:43 |
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| guardian | morning maemo | 10:23 |
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| guardian | when compiling my code for the n800 | 10:35 |
| guardian | is there anything special to do to enable VFP ? | 10:36 |
| guardian | any compiler option ? | 10:36 |
| inz | -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp I guess | 10:37 |
| guardian | do those flag have any influence when compiling for x96 ? | 10:38 |
| guardian | 86 | 10:38 |
| inz | They might break things, dunno | 10:39 |
| guardian | ok thx | 10:39 |
| inz | guardian, the i386-gcc doesn't like the options at all | 10:40 |
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| dubdibdu1 | hi there... | 10:43 |
| dubdibdu1 | ...i have a )little( prob | 10:43 |
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| dubdibdu1 | i've made a backup from my n800 via 0xFFFF -e /pathtommc onto a one gig mmc | 10:44 |
| dubdibdu1 | now i want to restore it via flasher and that doesnt work | 10:45 |
| dubdibdu1 | when i try a flash -f -n INITFS.JFF -r ROOTFS.JFF -x XLOADER.BIN -s SECONDAR.BIN -k ZIMAGE i get: X-Loader image is too big | 10:46 |
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| dubdibdu1 | without the xloader image i get To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 10:47 |
| triplemas | hi @ all | 10:47 |
| dubdibdu1 | hi there | 10:48 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, dubdibdu1 | 10:48 |
| dubdibdu1 | everything won't be a prob if at least flash -f -r ROOTFS.JFF would work | 10:48 |
| dubdibdu1 | it starts flashing, and then: | 10:48 |
| dubdibdu1 | 100% (257280 of 257280 kB, avg. 32047 kB/s) | 10:48 |
| dubdibdu1 | Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed! | 10:48 |
| dubdibdu1 | Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out | 10:49 |
| dubdibdu1 | /who dubdibdub | 10:49 |
| triplemas | i'd like to wake up my win pc with a "wake on lan" (wol) tool from my nokia 770. is there a solution? i haven't found any ported software at meamo or google... :-( | 10:49 |
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| VladDrac | I wrote a pythonscript that wakes on lan | 10:51 |
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| triplemas | juuuuhu yeees...:-) great how can i get this script? | 10:52 |
| pello | VladDrac: go works your tetrinet ;) | 10:52 |
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| VladDrac | pello :) | 10:53 |
| dubdibdu1 | try apt-get source wakeonlan | 10:53 |
| dubdibdu1 | thats a perl script | 10:53 |
| dubdibdu1 | you can also try etherwake | 10:53 |
| dubdibdu1 | (should be crosscompilable) | 10:54 |
| VladDrac | well it's pretty simple anyway | 10:54 |
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| VladDrac | http://pastebin.com/m146c7ba7 | 10:55 |
| VladDrac | afaik you just need to make sure the packets arrive at your compunters network interface, port 22 is arbitrary (but it's forwarded through my router) | 10:55 |
| dubdibdu1 | does anyone know why i cannot flash that ROOTFS.JFF image 0xffff built for me?? | 10:56 |
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| rhys | SOB noone told me this chan was logged | 11:04 |
| rhys | :( | 11:04 |
| guardian_ | anyone had a look at the vkb hildon input plugin ? | 11:04 |
| guardian_ | i was surprised by one thing | 11:04 |
| guardian_ | i thought it would use a GtkFixed container | 11:04 |
| guardian_ | with GtkButtons inside | 11:05 |
| guardian_ | or a mix of GtkVBox and GtkHBox for rows and keys | 11:05 |
| inz | rhys, all channels are logged by someone, maybe not always publicly | 11:05 |
| guardian_ | but instead, the widget does the painting all by itself | 11:05 |
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| guardian_ | and mimmic the look of buttons | 11:05 |
| guardian_ | is this for performance reasons ??? | 11:05 |
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| rhys | google rhys.rhaven. :\ i guess it doesnt matter, as it already returns my email on the zenwalk ML. but w/e. | 11:05 |
| guardian | like having ~100 buttons would cause too much size requests and size allocates ? | 11:06 |
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| guardian_ | anyone replied while i was disconnected ? :) | 11:08 |
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| rhys | no | 11:09 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:34 |
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| whaq_ | aloha mora | 11:42 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:44 |
| * Jaffa likes the direction the "sb2 & maemo" thread is taking on maemo-dev | 11:45 | |
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| pupnik | yawn | 11:58 |
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| maddler | morning all | 12:34 |
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| * pupnik waves | 12:36 | |
| * keesj waves back | 12:50 | |
| keesj | laggy connection | 12:51 |
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| geaaru | hi at all, anyone know what are methods and interfaces of com.nokia.osso_browser dbus service? Introspect method is implemented? | 12:55 |
| pupnik | keesj: google points to a broken link for synergy - is it up somewhere else? | 13:02 |
| pupnik | i have a copy on my site if anyone needs it | 13:02 |
| keesj | pupnik: I think on the maemo.org download page? | 13:02 |
| keesj | is it down AGAIN ! | 13:03 |
| unique311 | pupnik.. | 13:08 |
| _Monkey | pupnik is guessing that you need a full version of tar and not the busybox version | 13:08 |
| unique311 | compiled smc | 13:08 |
| unique311 | but getting an error.. | 13:08 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget pupnik | 13:08 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot pupnik | 13:08 |
| unique311 | warning : could not init 16 bit audio | 13:09 |
| unique311 | and screen mode creation failed.. | 13:09 |
| unique311 | maximum supported bitdepth is 16 | 13:09 |
| pupnik | yes, it tries 32,24 and then falls back to 15 | 13:09 |
| pupnik | 16 | 13:09 |
| pupnik | iirc | 13:10 |
| pupnik | you don't get any sound? | 13:10 |
| unique311 | well this is in scratchbox. | 13:10 |
| unique311 | i'm getting the errors | 13:10 |
| pupnik | i don't get sound on scratchbox, but i do on the device | 13:11 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5P9_TqhD8 | 13:11 |
| unique311 | shitty video of smw with sound | 13:11 |
| pupnik | cool | 13:12 |
| pupnik | i found a few levels that have too many sprites for the 770 to handle full speed | 13:12 |
| pupnik | i think we can get those load times reduced | 13:13 |
| guardian_ | crap | 13:13 |
| guardian_ | maemo.org is down | 13:13 |
| guardian_ | right at the time i want to download software update | 13:13 |
| unique311 | so its working on the 770 now? | 13:13 |
| pupnik | yes | 13:13 |
| unique311 | nice | 13:13 |
| unique311 | going to try smc on the n800.. | 13:13 |
| unique311 | if i get the same errors..guess it wasn;t meant to be. | 13:14 |
| unique311 | version 0.97 | 13:14 |
| unique311 | no luck with the gp32x version. | 13:14 |
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| pupnik | they did a bang up job with the graphics and levels | 13:16 |
| unique311 | yes | 13:17 |
| pupnik | we have to get netplay giong :) | 13:17 |
| unique311 | if you have a keybaord.. | 13:17 |
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| unique311 | theirs a leveleditor | 13:17 |
| unique311 | f1 | 13:17 |
| unique311 | sdl_net....someone on the forum was working on it. | 13:18 |
| pupnik | it would be nice if we could reduce the load times | 13:22 |
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| pupnik | looks like the game wants a full 64MB of memory for itself | 13:22 |
| lardman | morning | 13:22 |
| pupnik | hi lardman! | 13:22 |
| lardman | hi pupnik | 13:22 |
| lardman | Any gdb gurus here? | 13:23 |
| * pupnik looks at feet | 13:23 | |
| lardman | Can gdb follow instructions into thumb (or dare I say jazelle) mode? | 13:23 |
| * lardman will have to trawl the gdb mailing listsd | 13:23 | |
| pupnik | there are some smart ppl in #debian-arm lardman | 13:23 |
| lardman | pupnik: Okay, I'll join & lurk for a bit | 13:24 |
| lardman | urg, not on this server | 13:25 |
| pupnik | maybe oftc | 13:25 |
| lardman | found it, had to work out whether my client could connect to more than one server :) | 13:27 |
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| geaaru | is it possible exec browser with url command line param? Or how can i open browser dinamically to a particular page? | 13:37 |
| lardman | geaaru: It must be possible somehow, as the bookmarks bit of the UI does this, may be DBUS? | 13:38 |
| keesj | geaaru: via dbus , there are example around | 13:39 |
| geaaru | k i use dbus-monitor to handle correct param and interface to use on dbus. ty | 13:39 |
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| geaaru | :'( from dbus-monitor i see only request name (open dbus connection) of com.nokia.osso_bookmark and com.nokia.osso_browser dbus services | 13:41 |
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| geaaru | not informations about can do it | 13:41 |
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| florian | hi all | 13:43 |
| lardman | Does the format string in printf() have to be constant? | 13:45 |
| lardman | I'm pretty sure I was able to get it to accept a variable string | 13:45 |
| * lardman is trying to work out why his inline asm calling printf isn't working | 13:45 | |
| Jaffa | hi florian | 13:47 |
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| pupnik | i hear complaints about gcc and inline asm | 13:47 |
| pupnik | and advice "avoid it" | 13:47 |
| lardman | ah, it's okay, seems to work well | 13:48 |
| lardman | I think bigger complaint about GCC's optimising away my C variables so I can't use them in the asm! | 13:48 |
| lardman | But I'm sure that's mainly my fault | 13:48 |
| lardman | I can step through the asm using gdb. The first bxj appears to jump straight to my handler, the second vanishes and the CPU heads up to ~95% | 13:49 |
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| lardman | though no error which is nice, so presumably it's actually trying to do something, God only knows what though | 13:49 |
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| lardman | pupnik: I think you may be right though, there are too many constraints using inline, I should probably write the whole program in asm | 13:54 |
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| pupnik | if i were rich i'd post a $10,000 bounty for a JIT x86->ARM (dyanmic recompilation) module for dosbox... | 13:57 |
| lardman | There must be people working on that sort of thing already? | 13:59 |
| lardman | Though low power x86 compatiable chips may make it obsolete | 13:59 |
| pupnik | sadly nobody is. | 14:00 |
| pupnik | jit dosbox on an OMAP 3430 would be so sweet | 14:00 |
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| eichi_N800 | someone knows maemo mapper...is there a way to route train routes? | 14:18 |
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| pupnik | keesj: is this your project? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ | 14:29 |
| keesj | nope , I just did a compile in mud | 14:31 |
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| pupnik | how do i download mud packages? | 14:35 |
| pupnik | what repo do they go to? | 14:35 |
| pupnik | btw maemo.org is back | 14:36 |
| keesj | pupnik: why don't you use https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=284&release_id=700 ? | 14:38 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: mud packages are derived from whatever upstream repo you want | 14:38 |
| keesj | pupnik: for mud package I would sujest to just checkout mud and run it :p | 14:39 |
| pupnik | ok | 14:39 |
| pupnik | ty for the quicksynergy thing | 14:39 |
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| pupnik | those install links are nice... I have to set them up for my pages | 14:40 |
| pupnik | finished typing keesj's url into opera! | 14:45 |
| timeless | jait: pong | 14:48 |
| timeless | _guardian: buttons don't really match the behavior they want for sticky/dead keys | 14:48 |
| timeless | geaaru: there's a --url= param to browser, not sure if it's documented, and i suppose we don't claim support, but devs do need one for testing so it probably wouldn't go away | 14:48 |
| geaaru | timeless: ty. i try. :) | 14:49 |
| timeless | geaaru: /some/ portion of the browser is open source | 14:49 |
| timeless | you could probably just read it | 14:49 |
| geaaru | where i can found sources? | 14:50 |
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| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/main.c | 14:50 |
| timeless | looks promising | 14:50 |
| timeless | specifically line 38 or 63 | 14:50 |
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| Toma- | is there any problems running a python script based app on a 770? | 14:51 |
| geaaru | Nokia-N800-26:~# browser --url=http://www.jusan.it | 14:51 |
| geaaru | Nokia-N800-26:~# browser --url="http://www.jusan.it" | 14:51 |
| geaaru | Nokia-N800-26:~# browser -url="http://www.jusan.it" | 14:51 |
| timeless | the cross reference isn't up because i didn't sync the full repo | 14:51 |
| geaaru | doesn't work :( | 14:52 |
| timeless | you're running as root? | 14:52 |
| timeless | does this make sense? | 14:52 |
| guardian_ | i'm coding a gtk widget, at some point i would like to display a button inside it. however my widget is not a container, how can i do then ? | 14:52 |
| * timeless thinks guardian_ wants #gtk* | 14:53 | |
| guardian_ | ? | 14:53 |
| timeless | geearu: w/o browser running | 14:54 |
| timeless | /usr/bin/browser --url=www.google.fr "works" | 14:55 |
| timeless | it also works if the browser is unning | 14:55 |
| guardian_ | what do you mean timeless ? | 14:55 |
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| geaaru | :) thank you. works but only if i insert absolute path | 14:56 |
| timeless | guardian: well, i think you'd have better luck asking in a gtk only channel | 14:56 |
| guardian | sure | 14:56 |
| geaaru | with relative path doesn't work... but this isn't a problem. ty | 14:56 |
| * timeless didn't say it'd work in any other flavor | 14:56 | |
| pupnik | maemo.org down again :( | 14:57 |
| timeless | you only asked for the arg :) | 14:57 |
| * timeless has no idea *why* it doesn't work the other way, but.. | 14:57 | |
| timeless | i think that the problem is /usr/bin/maemo-launcher | 14:57 |
| timeless | or whatever it's called, uses the app name, which is 'browser' or '/usr/bin/browser' to decide what to look for | 14:58 |
| * timeless goes to read launcher.c | 14:58 | |
| timeless | note that 'browser' alone does nothing useful for me | 14:58 |
| timeless | if i can figure out how to fix that in maemo-launcher/launcher/launcher.c, i'll file a bug+patch | 14:59 |
| * timeless always thought it was stupid watching people write /usr/bin/browser all the time | 14:59 | |
| geaaru | :) | 15:00 |
| pupnik | up again :) | 15:01 |
| geaaru | but maemo-launcher/launcher/launcher.c is on stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo repository? | 15:02 |
| jait | timeless, how about fixing microb-eal so that it doesn't require an internet connection for accessing localhost? | 15:02 |
| timeless | jait: um | 15:03 |
| timeless | does opera work w/o one? | 15:03 |
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| pupnik | garage still down | 15:03 |
| jait | i don't know, why should you care? | 15:03 |
| timeless | pupnik: use timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/ | 15:03 |
| timeless | jait: oddly, "yes" | 15:03 |
| Toma- | Is there a java RE for maemo/gregale? | 15:04 |
| timeless | most likely the reason we require a connection is because of connectivity daemon | 15:04 |
| timeless | or our misunderstanding of how to use that demon | 15:04 |
| jait | yes but you request it explicitly | 15:04 |
| * timeless doesn't like it | 15:04 | |
| jait | so you can choose when to request it and when not to | 15:04 |
| timeless | jait: is that server up? | 15:05 |
| * timeless can't hit it | 15:05 | |
| jait | what server? | 15:05 |
| timeless | theone that has the msg'd number | 15:05 |
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| * timeless can't use /msg | 15:06 | |
| timeless | ok, it's just amazingly slow | 15:06 |
| jait | it's up, sloow | 15:06 |
| * timeless coughs | 15:06 | |
| timeless | no, sorry | 15:06 |
| timeless | http://127.1 is a perfectly valid local address | 15:06 |
| timeless | any patch that doesn't allow that is wrong :) | 15:06 |
| jait | ok, so you know how to make it better =) | 15:07 |
| * timeless coughs | 15:07 | |
| timeless | it's so not browser's job to understand routing | 15:07 |
| timeless | btw, localhost.localdomain, {localips}, 7f::1 (?) and a number of other things are all "local" | 15:08 |
| jait | yes, i know | 15:08 |
| timeless | and arguably "localhost" is only 127.0.0.1 _IF_ /etc/hosts or something else says so | 15:08 |
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| timeless | os/2 was funny about that iirc | 15:08 |
| jait | but the proper (tm) way would mean reworking the whole connectivity system which i don't see happening | 15:08 |
| timeless | ... | 15:08 |
| timeless | can we just delete connectivity? | 15:08 |
| timeless | it'd make our code a lot cleaner | 15:09 |
| timeless | it's ok if we delete certman first | 15:09 |
| timeless | is there a bug complaining that connectivity can't do what we need? | 15:10 |
| jait | what do you mean? | 15:10 |
| timeless | if i want to reach an ip address, am i not able to ask connectivity "can you please make sure i can reach this ip {}"? | 15:10 |
| jait | nope | 15:11 |
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| * timeless instantly regrets asking an English question instead of a question with clear explicit answer choices | 15:12 | |
| jait | =) | 15:12 |
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| jait | the way i see it, connectivity should have some kind of filtering rule that traps packets that would need to be sent outside and use that as a trigger for opening connections | 15:13 |
| timeless | i think the problem is that it's fundamentally flawed | 15:14 |
| timeless | the goal is for each app to be able to explain | 15:14 |
| timeless | "yes, i'm doing this because the 'user' told me to" | 15:14 |
| timeless | but, what if the user told cron to schedule an rsync at 5.13am? | 15:14 |
| timeless | the user didn't tell cron to do an rsync now @5.13am | 15:15 |
| jait | well yes, it's difficult to make that distinction | 15:15 |
| timeless | now, let's ignore the browser | 15:15 |
| timeless | err, ... | 15:15 |
| timeless | the browser is more complciated | 15:15 |
| timeless | er | 15:15 |
| timeless | the browser is more complicated | 15:15 |
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| timeless | suppose i log into mail.google.com | 15:16 |
| timeless | i've only logged in once | 15:16 |
| timeless | now, i walk away for an hour | 15:16 |
| timeless | what's the expectation? | 15:16 |
| jait | the connection is kept alive? | 15:17 |
| timeless | the browser one hour from now is asked by the web page to connect to mail.google.com | 15:17 |
| timeless | what does the browser say to connectivity when it wants to think about this connection? | 15:18 |
| timeless | did the user ask for it? | 15:18 |
| timeless | use a second device and try w/ news.google.com | 15:19 |
| jait | i see your point | 15:19 |
| timeless | what's the expectation? | 15:19 |
| timeless | you guys have made rule sets that just plain don't work for web browsers | 15:19 |
| timeless | if you want another one, i have it | 15:20 |
| jait | don't blame me! | 15:20 |
| timeless | jait: if you express any interest then you are either part of the problem (supporting status quo, wasting time), or part of the solution | 15:20 |
| timeless | jait: (not too seriously of course) | 15:21 |
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| jait | so do you see every variation of that patch to be too much of a kludge? | 15:22 |
| timeless | from an engineering perspective, basically | 15:22 |
| jait | making the list of addresses dynamic (gconf, file, conf option)... | 15:22 |
| timeless | code like that has no business belonging to our module | 15:22 |
| timeless | i don't mind calling a function is_this_local() | 15:22 |
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| timeless | however, if you're going to write it, stick it where it belongs i.e. in icd | 15:23 |
| timeless | from a practical perspective, it's probably possible to steamroll me into accepting it | 15:23 |
| timeless | but really, i don't like hacks | 15:23 |
| timeless | i do lots of them, but microb is almost entirely hacks | 15:23 |
| timeless | and i'd rather force other people to fix their libraries instead of adding more layers of hacks | 15:24 |
| zakx | jait: try browsing to "about:config" | 15:24 |
| timeless | each hack we add means the other libraries are more willing | 15:24 |
| zakx | maybe there's some option enabling that behaviour | 15:24 |
| timeless | zakx: not really relevant | 15:24 |
| timeless | believev me | 15:24 |
| timeless | especially given that about:Config is my fault | 15:24 |
| timeless | jait knows way too much of this stuff | 15:24 |
| timeless | jait: i presume you've read http://swift/osso10/ident | 15:25 |
| * timeless can't find any public api to use as a qualifier | 15:25 | |
| timeless | 1471737 files to consider | 15:25 |
| * timeless wonders how well this rsync will fare | 15:25 | |
| jait | what's there to read? | 15:26 |
| * timeless ponders | 15:26 | |
| timeless | sorry, i lost my train of thought | 15:26 |
| timeless | btw, what is oulu.fi? | 15:27 |
| timeless | univerisity access? | 15:27 |
| jait | yep, univ. of oulu | 15:27 |
| zakx | timeless: what about network.online then? | 15:28 |
| timeless | zakx: the story is like this | 15:28 |
| timeless | there's this group which is turf hungry | 15:28 |
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| timeless | they own this turf called internet connection daemon | 15:28 |
| timeless | or maybe it's internete connectivity daemon | 15:28 |
| timeless | or something else | 15:28 |
| timeless | it haunts my the 3 letter word ICD | 15:29 |
| timeless | they demand not to be ignored | 15:29 |
| timeless | they demand that you always use them | 15:29 |
| zakx | so one should blame them for allowing localhost connections without wifi access? | 15:29 |
| zakx | err, not allowing | 15:29 |
| timeless | yes | 15:29 |
| zakx | i guess that's some unreachable nokia team again? | 15:30 |
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| timeless | dunno | 15:30 |
| timeless | i'm browser, and i'm reachable today | 15:30 |
| timeless | i have on idea who else is reachable | 15:30 |
| jait | i reckon that you'd be happier to see the crap in icd although it would be the same crap? | 15:30 |
| timeless | yes | 15:30 |
| timeless | i wouldn't have to see it :) | 15:30 |
| AD-N770 | hi ppl, I decided upgrade my laptop today, I upgraded to ubuntu feisty, I wanted to remove sbox/maemo before and reinstall it, now I've finieshed to install maemo 3.1 using sh script | 15:30 |
| timeless | nimby, no crap in my back yard | 15:30 |
| AD-N770 | when I execute apt-get update on the targets I'm getting errors | 15:30 |
| AD-N770 | is something wrong on the repositories ? | 15:30 |
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| zakx | timeless: so, by the way, thanks for the great work. | 15:31 |
| timeless | jait: especially in this case, it's the difference between crap in one place | 15:31 |
| timeless | and shared crap | 15:31 |
| AD-N770 | I'm reciving messages like "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" | 15:31 |
| timeless | three browsers shouldn't have to write the same crap | 15:31 |
| zakx | AD-N770: edit /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 15:32 |
| rshortt | AD-N770: I'm seeing flakyness on maemo.org as well | 15:32 |
| timeless | if i install a firefox derivative that's hacked to use icd, i shouldn't be forced to hack that firefox to understand what localhost is | 15:32 |
| jait | i get your point | 15:32 |
| timeless | and then if someone fixes the crap to be less crappy | 15:32 |
| zakx | change the "hosts:" line to "hosts: file dns" | 15:32 |
| _Monkey | zakx: that doesn't look right | 15:32 |
| Toma- | Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free osso-sounds-ui 1.2-4sdk1 404 Not Found [IP: 203.59.140.19 80] | 15:32 |
| timeless | each browser isn't forced to update its copy | 15:32 |
| timeless | :) | 15:32 |
| zakx | _Monkey: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 15:33 |
| _Monkey | zakx: what? | 15:33 |
| * timeless sighs | 15:33 | |
| Toma- | What weird is the indexing on maemo.org works fine, but trying to get the package just 404's | 15:34 |
| timeless | jait: i'll trade you crap | 15:34 |
| timeless | suppose someone came to me and said "your web browser lets me try to create a new folder on a removal device when there's no volume in the device" | 15:34 |
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| timeless | why the heck should i care? | 15:34 |
| timeless | it's shared removable crap | 15:34 |
| timeless | and yet see 64353 | 15:34 |
| timeless | which is filed as a browser bug | 15:34 |
| timeless | it's a bug in filesystem | 15:35 |
| timeless | all anyone has to do to verify it's not my fault is test in notes | 15:35 |
| * timeless sighs and goes to find a way to test it | 15:35 | |
| jait | funny screenshot | 15:37 |
| pupnik | a potato makes a good n770 stand for when the charger cable is plugged-in | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | timeless: presumably that's yet another internal bug which has been raised internally rather than in Bugzilla for no good reason? | 15:38 |
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| Mikho | Toma-, mistral repositories are broken | 15:38 |
| Mikho | use gregale | 15:38 |
| AD-N770 | zakx, wget is working, but apt-get reprts the same error messages | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | (My own 2c is that ICD is effectively a dial-on-demand dialler and should act on a route/unavailability approach rather than "do I have a connection up?". That might make it easier to support multiple connections, e.g. VPN connection over an IP connection etc.) | 15:39 |
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| Toma- | Mikho: yeh i just figured that out. thanks | 15:39 |
| inz | Mikho, it's maemo2.0 that is broken, mistral works for me at least | 15:40 |
| timeless | jaffa: it's internal, yes | 15:40 |
| AD-N770 | from my point of view bora is broken :) | 15:40 |
| roope | jaffa: the default is the internal, really. | 15:40 |
| timeless | and the reason it's internal is because it talks about secret stuff | 15:40 |
| timeless | the bug is shitty | 15:40 |
| timeless | it doesn't belong external | 15:40 |
| timeless | if it was external i'd flame the reporter two ways to the moon and probably mars | 15:40 |
| timeless | i mean, it really isn't that hard to test dialogs in notes too | 15:41 |
| geaaru | timeless: still thanks for your help... still one questions, i see from main.c that there isn't a param for set fullscreen from command line | 15:41 |
| timeless | if a bug happens in notes and your favorite app | 15:41 |
| geaaru | is there a solution for this? | 15:41 |
| timeless | then it can't be a bug in your favorite app | 15:41 |
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| timeless | gearru: i'd have to search, i'm busy flaming a bug reporter | 15:41 |
| timeless | priorities... | 15:41 |
| Toma- | so theres no Java RE for the 770? | 15:41 |
| Toma- | i really hate having to use python | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | Lots of bugs are shitty (internal *and* external), but if the default is internal for Nokia staff, there's never going to be a large contribution to the source of Nokia-led apps by external people: if developers can't see bugs, they can't fix them. A few simple internal bugs could result in some simple patches => more open collaboration. | 15:41 |
| geaaru | k :) ty good work! | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Toma-: there are, in various states of development. Nothing end-user ready, nothing with much (if any) GUI support or Hildon integration. | 15:42 |
| timeless | jaffa: we have as you can see 60,000 shitty bugs | 15:42 |
| timeless | of which you couldn't learn anything | 15:42 |
| Toma- | ahh bummer. | 15:42 |
| timeless | you certainly wouldn't learn how to file good bugs | 15:42 |
| Toma- | looks like ill have to port something :~< | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless: is that just a Maemo bug tracker?! | 15:42 |
| timeless | jait: safe joruney | 15:42 |
| timeless | jaffa; yes | 15:43 |
| roope | jaffa: It's part of the larger problem/issue. Bugs are mostly for unreleased (read currently-secret) features. | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | timeless: FFS! | 15:43 |
| timeless | jaffa: note that in this case it's trivial to file a public equivalent of the bug | 15:43 |
| roope | timeless: no exact number of osso activities. please. ;) | 15:43 |
| timeless | you just have to use official released pieces and only update the relevant component | 15:43 |
| Toma- | And there are no drum machine apps out there for the 770? | 15:43 |
| roope | numbers. | 15:43 |
| timeless | roope: public bugs.maemo.org have alias fields w/ internal numbers | 15:44 |
| timeless | although, to be fair, it might be unreasonable for me to say there are 60,000 shitty bugs | 15:44 |
| pupnik | Toma-: that is my favorite fringe software request of the month :) | 15:44 |
| Toma- | pupnik: :D | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | roope: and there's the rub: Nokia are still holding it too close to their chests. The only thing which should be "secret" or unannounced about features should be hardware. Nokia can't complain about lack of patches submitted, external help or benefit from open source properly if the software stack is viewed as proprietary. | 15:44 |
| timeless | maybe only 32,000 or 64,000 :) | 15:44 |
| Toma- | I just wanna jam along to my lil 770 | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | timeless: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/dummy.html has a dead link to https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/trunk/eal-test | 15:44 |
| timeless | jaffa: you can clearly guess what the secret is :) | 15:44 |
| Toma- | pytrommler runs like a 3 legged horse | 15:45 |
| timeless | but we can't say that, hence we say "secret" | 15:45 |
| roope | jaffa: kind of true. But it's not as simple as take. Take something like Skype for instance. There were skype related bugs in our internal bugzilla before it was even announced. | 15:45 |
| timeless | but back to my point | 15:45 |
| roope | You can't really say "only hardware". It's the whole product, really. | 15:45 |
| timeless | if you actually tested only modules of software on public hardware | 15:45 |
| timeless | you'd clearly know in this case that the bug was in the filesystemui | 15:45 |
| timeless | because upgrading just browser wouldn't give you the bug | 15:45 |
| timeless | but upgrading filesystemui would give you the bug everywhere | 15:46 |
| roope | Anyway, there are efforts ongoing to open this development process more. | 15:46 |
| timeless | roope: that's news to me | 15:46 |
| timeless | always nice to here about internal changes externally :) | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | roope: So you have a beta-Skype component which is locked down to the beta testers. | 15:46 |
| timeless | jaffa: it's hard | 15:46 |
| timeless | we don't trust our contractors | 15:46 |
| * Jaffa thought bugzilla could do that trivially? | 15:46 | |
| Jaffa | ah | 15:46 |
| timeless | heck, we barely trust our engineers | 15:46 |
| celesteh | Toma- , Awesome request, but I don't know of anything | 15:46 |
| timeless | imagine someone accidentally thinks they're in a locked component | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | And you *certainly* don't trust users/OSS developers ;-) | 15:46 |
| timeless | or thinks a bug has no buzzwords | 15:47 |
| roope | Bugs have links. Skype has links to connectivity, framework, power management etc. You can't really control ... hide those bugs from them. | 15:47 |
| celesteh | Is PD ported to maemo? that can be used to make drumloops | 15:47 |
| timeless | and it turns out that they mention a buzzword in a public component | 15:47 |
| Toma- | celesteh: im having a look around for something suitable now | 15:47 |
| roope | ie. if you're a power management developer but not a skype tester, you still need to see that bug. | 15:47 |
| Toma- | celesteh: PD? | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | roope: OK, let's take this back to base priniciples. Why do Skype-related bugs have to be hidden before Skype's release? | 15:47 |
| timeless | anyway, it's certainly possible to have private products or bugs | 15:47 |
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| timeless | we actually did that internally for the browser product for a bit | 15:47 |
| roope | jaffa: Because Nokia wants to control when and howthey publicize features. | 15:47 |
| celesteh | Toma-: PD stands for Pure Data. It's um.. a hard to explain music tool . . . | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | roope: And that's my point. Whilst they/you want that control, you'll have to do the majority of work on the platform yourself. | 15:48 |
| roope | By controlling when and how, a company, like any company, believes it can gain more from those features. | 15:48 |
| timeless | but for reference, we also had some people trying to do secret keeping/sharing w/ a partner company | 15:48 |
| timeless | and after reviewing it, we determined they failed to keep the secrets | 15:48 |
| Mikho | inz, isn't mistral the same as 2.0? At least it seems to use 2.0 repos when app manager is set to use mistral | 15:48 |
| timeless | it wasn't a big deal, no one cared, no harm was done | 15:48 |
| roope | jaffa: that's true, and that's the drawback. | 15:48 |
| NeoStrider | Mikho, yes | 15:48 |
| Toma- | celesteh: might be simple enough to tear pytrommler to shreds, but it doesnt work very well | 15:49 |
| timeless | but w/ a public system instead of a corporate tie, the secret would have been noticed sooner | 15:49 |
| timeless | (the secret being that we were working on mozilla) | 15:49 |
| NeoStrider | they are compatible | 15:49 |
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| timeless | jaffa: note: nokia doesn't seem to mind doing work by itself | 15:49 |
| timeless | that's one of the things open source poeple miss | 15:49 |
| timeless | companies are willing to pay more for less | 15:49 |
| roope | Continuing thish example, now that the feature is public, bugs related to it could certainly be opened. | 15:49 |
| inz | Mikho, they should be, but repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0....deb give 404, but if you replace maemo2.0 with mistral, they work | 15:49 |
| timeless | and they're willing to pay more for control of shitty code | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | timeless: well, except when it won't do the work people want (e.g. customisable 12/24 hour clock, a sensible RSS update policy etc.) | 15:50 |
| timeless | jaffa: anyway... | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | timeless: but it's a good point | 15:50 |
| roope | jaffa: Don't get me started on the 12/24 hour clock. ;) | 15:50 |
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| timeless | anyway | 15:50 |
| timeless | roope: heh | 15:50 |
| timeless | fwiw, i have opinions on clock and rss reader too | 15:50 |
| timeless | and both of us clearly could get started | 15:50 |
| roope | I fought for that feature back in 2004, but there's some linux reason behind it. | 15:51 |
| timeless | let's not get too offtopic | 15:51 |
| timeless | roope: is that one of those silly platform consistency things | 15:51 |
| timeless | that we can't get righ t in say Skype? :) | 15:51 |
| timeless | (yes, i filed bugs about that) | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | roope: there's a justification for why it is, but it makes no sense when no other Linux system does it the same way as IT OS ;-) | 15:51 |
| celesteh | Toma-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Data | 15:51 |
| timeless | anyway, the problem is, we have as you can guess say 60,000 bad bugs | 15:51 |
| timeless | assume that there are say 1000 browser bugs | 15:52 |
| timeless | and take my word that however many there are, almost all of them are shitty | 15:52 |
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| timeless | and that unfortunately almost all of them have at least one bad word in them | 15:52 |
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| timeless | what's the point in me spending ours publishing 1000 bad bugs with one word sanitized? | 15:52 |
| timeless | anyway, the problem is, we have as you can guess say 60,000 bad bugs | 15:53 |
| timeless | assume that there are say 1000 browser bugs | 15:53 |
| timeless | and take my word that however many there are, almost all of them are shitty | 15:53 |
| timeless | note; i'm not going to bother looking to see how many browser bugs we have | 15:53 |
| Toma- | celesteh: looks scary | 15:53 |
| timeless | the number is meaningless because most of them are duplicates or don't belong in browser | 15:53 |
| timeless | .... | 15:53 |
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| timeless | a better approach is to file *good* bugs in the public database | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | You shouldn't have to, my point is two fold: 1) Internal people should know what to say/not say when raising bugs externally (but if they can't raise non-shitty bugs, this is unlikely); 2) the development process should be more open and, despite the talk, Nokia seem to have no desire to do so (i.e. they view commercial advantage in keeping, say, a Mozilla browser underwraps until release) | 15:54 |
| timeless | and encourage people to file good bugs in the public database | 15:54 |
| celesteh | Toma-: it is scary, but you can do many many things with it | 15:54 |
| timeless | as the public database grows to have the better set of bugs | 15:54 |
| Toma- | celesteh: id rather something real simple :S | 15:54 |
| timeless | engineers will spend more time there | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | timeless: external community can not just help with code though, they can help with bug classification/de-duplication etc. (see gnome) | 15:54 |
| timeless | and managers will be forced to encourage its use | 15:54 |
| roope | timeless: I think that browser has a ... or that other components do not have such a high percentage of shitty bugs as the browser. | 15:54 |
| timeless | jaffa: i'm a mozilla.org dev/qa/whatever | 15:54 |
| roope | For smaller components, most of the bugs are actually pretty valid and reasonable. | 15:55 |
| timeless | roope: maybe | 15:55 |
| roope | But I agree on the browser bugs. :) | 15:55 |
| timeless | i can only speak for browser | 15:55 |
| timeless | i can say that when i file bugs elsewhere, they tend to have a chance of getting duplicates | 15:55 |
| Toma- | celesteh: http://groovit.disjunkt.com/interface.html | 15:55 |
| Toma- | yeh! | 15:55 |
| roope | Yes, I've been browsing Browser bugs also. They're pretty... Silly mostly. | 15:55 |
| timeless | because the core problem is usually not usefully apparent | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | There will be prioritisation done on bugs, there are probably tons of small tiny bugs in Hildon or whatever internally which someone wanting to get stuck into Maemo/Hildon could fix easily - and as a way into the dev community. | 15:55 |
| timeless | roope: i really never used the word shitty before i came to work here | 15:56 |
| roope | jaffa: It's ... Yes. I mean it requires a lot of work for the whole process, just opening bugzilla as such isn't enough. | 15:56 |
| timeless | in fact, i don't think i've described bugs w/ that word before today | 15:56 |
| timeless | roope; anyway | 15:56 |
| timeless | a good first step is encouraging people to do testing on released hardware+software | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | roope: I disagree. The work is a mental shift by management/non-OSS based developers within Nokia. Not really one of process. | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | timeless: exactly. | 15:57 |
| timeless | bgus like the one i just moved really should be found w/ public pieces | 15:57 |
| timeless | instead of insisting on using as many private pieces as possible | 15:57 |
| * timeless wonders if notes is open | 15:57 | |
| timeless | if it isn't, i should use something else as my example | 15:57 |
| roope | jaffa: Well, it requires things like changing control... Assigning bugs. Some kind of reliability that this bug will be fix in a certain timeframe. | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | roope: the external bug tracker can do that. People in their spare time only work on bugs which aren't assigned to anyone. | 15:58 |
| roope | Making sure that the fixes are good, that they don't break anything else, that the fixer is committed to fixing the bugs caused by his fixes etc. | 15:58 |
| roope | Which really somethings requires visibility to the whole device and all the components. | 15:58 |
| timeless | roope: of course... | 15:58 |
| timeless | we don't actually have any of that | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | You do code reviews already, I assume. Automated testing does (b) - or general integration/release testing; and the original fixer doesn't have to fix further bugs: they just get raised. | 15:58 |
| timeless | see fun browser libraries break released software bugs.maemo 1720 | 15:59 |
| * Jaffa isn't advocating you just release off the trunk at some random point in time with no testing or QA ;-) | 15:59 | |
| timeless | jaffa: we have a huge infrastructure | 15:59 |
| roope | jaffa: Yes anyway, but as I was saying, it requires a lot more changes than just opening the bugzilla. | 15:59 |
| timeless | but oddly it doesn't really cover anywhere near the right spots | 15:59 |
| roope | It requires changes to management, QA, testing, scheduling, resourcing, legal etc. | 15:59 |
| timeless | we need to evolve a lot of other changes first | 15:59 |
| timeless | the best you can do today is get good/better bugs in the public bugzilla | 16:00 |
| timeless | note that i'll help | 16:00 |
| roope | I think that's the way forward, but it will take some time and effort. | 16:00 |
| timeless | most likely you'll see me file my bugs there | 16:00 |
| NeoStrider | is garage svn down? | 16:00 |
| timeless | hopefully roope and others will too | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | roope: I think you're overestimating the amount of work it'd take if the organisation was committed to it. | 16:00 |
| timeless | note that really only some of us internals can actually choose to file externally | 16:00 |
| roope | jaffa: I haven't given any estimate yet. :) | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | It shouldn't change QA, testing, scheduling or resourcing in *any* way. | 16:00 |
| timeless | jaffa: testing involves testing on secrets | 16:01 |
| roope | jaffa: As an internal I've seen enough of what things take time than I'm certainly not overestimating. | 16:01 |
| timeless | reporting would involve not mentioning secrets | 16:01 |
| roope | You're underestimating. ;) | 16:01 |
| timeless | the structure would have to be changed to be more intelligent | 16:01 |
| timeless | mostly testing on secrets, verifying on publics, and reporting public bugs | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | timeless: and my point still stands, only hardware *should* be secret. | 16:01 |
| timeless | without secrets | 16:01 |
| timeless | jaffa: problem is, all bug reports include the tested hardware | 16:01 |
| roope | jaffa: With a policy like that there would be no Skype on the device. | 16:01 |
| timeless | and unshipped hardware is buggy | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | roope: why not? Skype was announced with the N800 launch. | 16:02 |
| timeless | and sometimes software for unshipped hardware is buggy | 16:02 |
| * timeless wonders when skype work started | 16:02 | |
| timeless | before the launch? | 16:02 |
| roope | jaffa: Do you think that's when the development for it started? | 16:02 |
| timeless | (that's entirely speculation) | 16:02 |
| roope | Yes, well, actually, I'm also just speculating. ;) | 16:02 |
| timeless | woohoo, we can all speculate together :) | 16:02 |
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| roope | Let's just say that it would be a pretty bad idea to start developing something the same day it is publicized. | 16:03 |
| timeless | really? | 16:03 |
| timeless | heh, who would have thought :) | 16:03 |
| roope | Of course there have been exceptions, but. ;) | 16:03 |
| * Jaffa shrugs. There's a lot of talk about being more open about Maemo, but it's over two years now and *still* the default for browser bugs is internal. The Mozilla work was secret until binaries were available... it seems like Nokia still doesn't "get" it. (whatever "it" is ;-)) | 16:04 | |
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| * Jaffa 's experience is that things are developed the week before launch - well *after* announcing ;-)) | 16:04 | |
| roope | I don't think it's all black and white. The correct answer is a murky gray somewhere in the middle. | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | Of course. | 16:04 |
| roope | Where everybody complains somewhat but people try to be happy with it. | 16:04 |
| timeless | jaffa: i'd argue that changed | 16:05 |
| timeless | by default, good browser bugs will be filed in the opne | 16:05 |
| timeless | you can see that as i file bugs | 16:05 |
| timeless | by default, bugs no one wants to read will be filed internally | 16:05 |
| timeless | the one in question is just a general example | 16:06 |
| roope | Nokia is a huge company, it's ... From the outside it's of course very hard to see all the forces in play, but it's... There are a lot of good efforts, and more than a few years ago. I think the direction is good, the speed could of course be faster. | 16:06 |
| roope | I've been here since early 2004, so I mean. I think there's still good stuff coming up. :) | 16:06 |
| * Jaffa used to work for IBM: the disparity of the internals and externals of a big multinational company are still amazing to me now (but completely understandable) | 16:07 | |
| * timeless is newer than roope and probably less tolerant | 16:07 | |
| timeless | but, anyway, now that i'm open i can help a bit more | 16:07 |
| Toma- | Would the 770 have enough grunt to run something like audacity or another wav file editor? | 16:08 |
| timeless | but i'll also be able to complain a bit mor | 16:08 |
| timeless | toma: does that require real time work | 16:08 |
| Toma- | timeless: not at all | 16:08 |
| timeless | or can it do things at slower than realtime? | 16:08 |
| timeless | should be fine | 16:08 |
| timeless | 770 has a cpu >200,mhz | 16:08 |
| timeless | i did audio work on 33mhz pcs | 16:08 |
| Toma- | hehe | 16:08 |
| timeless | simple logic, :) | 16:08 |
| timeless | try to make sure the code isn't too inefficient of course | 16:09 |
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| timeless | code seems to be getting worse over time | 16:09 |
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| Toma- | im not a coder :( | 16:09 |
| timeless | maybe find some app from then instead of a new and improved modern app :) | 16:09 |
| * timeless shrugs | 16:09 | |
| Toma- | going to try compiling a curses based drum machine | 16:10 |
| Toma- | that should help | 16:10 |
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| pupnik | Toma- gneutronica-0.33 looks small and gtk-based | 16:11 |
| Toma- | pupnik: i have my doubts about its size on the screen | 16:11 |
| Toma- | pupnik: im looking at 'groovit' | 16:12 |
| Toma- | http://groovit.disjunkt.com/ | 16:12 |
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| pupnik | coool | 16:13 |
| Toma- | want would be neat, is a little record spinning app | 16:15 |
| Toma- | pointless, but very much like the DS :D | 16:16 |
| NeoStrider | timeless , you would be surprised with what can be done with the 770 ;-) | 16:18 |
| timeless | nah | 16:18 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider: the smw debs are fixed | 16:18 |
| NeoStrider | cool!!!! | 16:18 |
| NeoStrider | I want it!!!! | 16:19 |
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| pupnik | "Super Mario War"? | 16:23 |
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| Toma- | huhuhu. | 16:27 |
| NeoStrider | hahahah | 16:28 |
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| Toma- | orly? | 16:28 |
| _Monkey | orly is, like, Ya rly | 16:28 |
| AD-N770 | for those that have problems with apt-get and feisty: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 | 16:28 |
| Toma- | awww | 16:28 |
| AD-N770 | like me | 16:28 |
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| AD-N770 | inside sbox | 16:33 |
| Toma- | ahh i c | 16:33 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey should be familiar to maemo ;-P | 16:35 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider: i'm not following you... | 16:35 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey should be familiar to mono ;-P | 16:35 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider: excuse me? | 16:35 |
| pupnik | there's an older gtk trommler that might work Toma- | 16:37 |
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| pupnik | even looks simple enough for a decent hildon port | 16:38 |
| timeless | hrm, qa here is finding helpful bugs | 16:38 |
| timeless | bugs that public testers could have foudn had they been creative enoug | 16:38 |
| NeoStrider | for those tired of the old screenshots: http://corporatedrones.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/angstron-training.png | 16:39 |
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| trevarthan | account on | 16:43 |
| trevarthan | oops | 16:43 |
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| tweg | hi, how do i prevent the name of the executable appearing in the title bar of my app window? (pygtk) | 16:49 |
| tweg | i.e. it shows 'exaile - Exaile music player' and I want to drop the 'exaile - ' part, which gets inserted automatically | 16:50 |
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| NeoStrider | tweg...why dont you change the executable name to "Exaile" and drop the "Exaile " from the "Exaile music player" | 16:52 |
| pupnik | right | 16:52 |
| tweg | because it adds a dash | 16:52 |
| NeoStrider | "Exaile - music player" | 16:52 |
| NeoStrider | you can say that you forked Exaile and created "Exaile -" | 16:53 |
| NeoStrider | =-p | 16:53 |
| tweg | I guess I could do that, but it feels like a hack | 16:53 |
| NeoStrider | junky solutions to junky problems =-P | 16:53 |
| tweg | I would have thought window.set_title should set the title to the string I give it and nothing more | 16:53 |
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| NeoStrider | I saw somebody comment that before...oh...it was you | 16:54 |
| tweg | yes, I hate these junky problems, but they are the little things that give ppl a perception of ugliness | 16:54 |
| NeoStrider | I see...why dont you try the .desktop file? | 16:55 |
| NeoStrider | in SDL, we set a WM_CLASS or something like that, to set the application name | 16:56 |
| NeoStrider | look for that , too | 16:56 |
| NeoStrider | its a enviroment var | 16:56 |
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| tweg | I've set StartupWMClass=exaile in the desktop file, didn't help as far as the title bar is concerned | 16:59 |
| NeoStrider | from my code: | 16:59 |
| NeoStrider | putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=angstron"); | 16:59 |
| NeoStrider | chenca , are you from INDT? | 17:00 |
| pupnik | thanks NeoStrider - i needed that putenv | 17:00 |
| NeoStrider | everybody takes that line from somebody else ;-) | 17:00 |
| chenca | yes | 17:01 |
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| NeoStrider | i saw you on a canola video, from handful =-) | 17:01 |
| pupnik | i now have a smw.desktop. i think i need to register with osso to make sure smw does not close after launching from menu | 17:01 |
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| NeoStrider | actually, pupnik, I didnt had any problem with that | 17:01 |
| NeoStrider | do you want me to show you the angstron .desktop file? | 17:02 |
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| pupnik | i have a .desktop from maemowizard that i used - yes message me the angstron .desktop | 17:02 |
| chenca | NeoStrider: hehehe My ugly face at 5am... | 17:02 |
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| NeoStrider | todo mundo parecia contente =-) | 17:03 |
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| NeoStrider | actually, is the same from maemowizard ;-) | 17:04 |
| pupnik | ok | 17:04 |
| chenca | NeoStrider: Happy == Tired | 17:05 |
| pupnik | now i think i have to tell debhelper to include the .desktop and icon in the package | 17:05 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, the autotools do that for you | 17:05 |
| NeoStrider | at least , for me, they do | 17:05 |
| NeoStrider | chenca, I hope someday I will be happy with you guys | 17:06 |
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| MoRpHeUz | NeoStrider: where are you from ? | 17:07 |
| NeoStrider | Niterói,RJ | 17:07 |
| NeoStrider | and you? | 17:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | NeoStrider: handful's friend ? =) | 17:07 |
| NeoStrider | messenger pal | 17:08 |
| NeoStrider | never really met him | 17:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | NeoStrider: yeah, now I think I know who you are =) | 17:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | NeoStrider: you work at listel now, right ? | 17:09 |
| NeoStrider | no no | 17:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | ow | 17:09 |
| NeoStrider | Diário Oficial do Estado do Rio de Janeiro | 17:09 |
| NeoStrider | estagiário | 17:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | hhmm! ok! =) | 17:09 |
| NeoStrider | I hope to work with mobile multimedia someday | 17:09 |
| NeoStrider | if you were from CodeBlood, you may know me | 17:10 |
| kami770 | hello guys | 17:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | NeoStrider: great! =) | 17:10 |
| kami770 | I have a 770, by any chance do you know if I can use 2 btooth devices with n800, say the cell phone and a keyboard? | 17:11 |
| NeoStrider | kami770, I have tried | 17:12 |
| NeoStrider | I can only pair with a phone at time | 17:12 |
| NeoStrider | at least with vanilla gregalle | 17:12 |
| kami770 | darn | 17:12 |
| kami770 | no reason to get it then | 17:12 |
| NeoStrider | but maybe you can hack it someway | 17:12 |
| kami770 | I am using the OS2007 on this | 17:13 |
| Toma- | pretty sure bluetooth devices dont 'serve' | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | ahhh...im using it2006 | 17:13 |
| kami770 | because I am having issues to DUN with 0S2006 | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | what do you want to use? | 17:13 |
| pupnik | Toma-: did you compile the curses drum machine? | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...I cant DUN either | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | dum machine?! | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | cool! | 17:13 |
| kami770 | DUN and btooth keyboard at the same time | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | I was looking for the xdrum sources | 17:13 |
| NeoStrider | but couldnt find it anywhere | 17:14 |
| Toma- | pupnik: funny thing about apps that havent been touched since 2003... | 17:14 |
| Toma- | the configure file is borked | 17:14 |
| Toma- | going to give seq24 and qnetronica a try | 17:15 |
| kami770 | well I have a multipoint btooth headset so I figure you could pair to two devices at the same time | 17:15 |
| Toma- | brb | 17:15 |
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| tweg | NeoStrider, I think I am going to give up and go with your hack. Too much pain trying to polish this turd. | 17:16 |
| NeoStrider | kami770, they count as two devices? | 17:16 |
| NeoStrider | tweg...sometimes , its better to give up for a battle to conquer a war | 17:16 |
| kami770 | NeoStrider, the two cell phones when used with the headset, yeah | 17:16 |
| NeoStrider | sometime later you will stumble upon this | 17:16 |
| tweg | well said :-) | 17:16 |
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| NeoStrider | just as I did yesterday with my 3D rendering system | 17:16 |
| kami770 | NeoStrider, google for plantronics voyager 510 | 17:17 |
| NeoStrider | kami770, now I got it...you want a headset and a phone at the same time | 17:17 |
| NeoStrider | well..dont know about that | 17:17 |
| kami770 | erm | 17:17 |
| kami770 | no | 17:17 |
| NeoStrider | I only tried two phones | 17:17 |
| kami770 | a keyboard and a phone | 17:17 |
| NeoStrider | ahhh...ok | 17:17 |
| NeoStrider | indeed im pairing one of them right now | 17:18 |
| kami770 | so I can connect to the net thru the cell phone | 17:18 |
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| kami770 | and I can type on the keyboard | 17:18 |
| pupnik | somebody hacked a usb UMTS modem driver for the 770 | 17:18 |
| kami770 | hardware keyboard | 17:18 |
| NeoStrider | kami770, and a usb keyboard? | 17:18 |
| pupnik | yes that would be very useful | 17:18 |
| kami770 | btooth keyboard | 17:18 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but...why dont you investigate that too? | 17:19 |
| NeoStrider | i just dont know much about it | 17:19 |
| NeoStrider | im more a game developer | 17:19 |
| NeoStrider | im still discovering linux hacking | 17:19 |
| kami770 | just asking I got this yesterday | 17:19 |
| kami770 | I have no idea if I am going to stick with OS2006 or 7 | 17:20 |
| kami770 | ah | 17:20 |
| pupnik | i think multiboot is the way to go | 17:20 |
| NeoStrider | if I were you, I would stick with 2006 | 17:20 |
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| pupnik | reinstalling everything after a re-flash is a PAIN | 17:20 |
| NeoStrider | 2007 is good , but its not a end user thing | 17:20 |
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| kami770 | NeoStrider, any particular reason? other than the end user part | 17:21 |
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| kami770 | 2006 won't recognize my phones | 17:21 |
| NeoStrider | some opera issues, some librarie version clashing | 17:21 |
| kami770 | for what I tested last night | 17:21 |
| NeoStrider | but hey...you're are the user...im quite happy with 2006 | 17:21 |
| kami770 | yeah | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | Bah, I want the new Canola eye candy. | 17:22 |
| NeoStrider | im not much a user...i use the 770 just for debugging my games | 17:22 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:22 |
| kami770 | I think I will have to buy a cable I never thought I would need | 17:23 |
| kami770 | miniUSB to miniUSB | 17:23 |
| * pupnik wants automake 1.8.x | 17:23 | |
| Toma- | what toolchain should i use for gregale? | 17:23 |
| NeoStrider | Toma- , "gregale SDK"? | 17:24 |
| NeoStrider | Maemo 2.2 | 17:24 |
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| Toma- | scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q3-27? | 17:24 |
| NeoStrider | but hey...I did some good stuff with mistral SDK too | 17:24 |
| NeoStrider | let me check | 17:24 |
| kami770 | be back later | 17:24 |
| NeoStrider | scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm_1.0.5_i386 | 17:24 |
| kami770 | gotta sleep a it more | 17:25 |
| NeoStrider | ok, kami770 | 17:25 |
| kami770 | NeoStrider, thanks :) | 17:25 |
| NeoStrider | ur welcome | 17:25 |
| Toma- | ah i see it. thanks | 17:25 |
| NeoStrider | we work for you, the user | 17:25 |
| Toma- | ahhh 20 min download! bah | 17:26 |
| Toma- | full metal alchemist time. | 17:26 |
| NeoStrider | take it,alphonso! | 17:26 |
| Toma- | :P | 17:27 |
| NeoStrider | =-P my brother in law is fanatic with that stuff | 17:27 |
| Toma- | it super. | 17:27 |
| Toma- | *its | 17:27 |
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| * pupnik looks at Neo's template_0.99 | 17:27 | |
| celesteh_rules | arg!!!! i just accidentally deleted a whole folder on my sd card when i meant to just delete one file!!!! is there a way to undo this?!?? | 17:27 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, dont look so hard...will make me ashamed of | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | Not really | 17:27 |
| * celesteh_rules swears profusely | 17:28 | |
| celesteh_rules | i just lost ALL my photos from this card!! | 17:28 |
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| pupnik | it's awesome NeoStrider - it asks where to put the application in menu | 17:29 |
| Jaffa | celesteh_rules: remove the card and use one of the file recovery pieces of software - for photos (i.e. JPEGs) they work quite well | 17:29 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, if you a way to use SDL_mixer and maemo-games-startup , a patch will be apreciated | 17:29 |
| Toma- | This configure script is a nightmare | 17:29 |
| pupnik | what is maemo-games-startup for? | 17:29 |
| NeoStrider | Klaus Rotter is the real wonder...I just made it available to the masses =-p | 17:29 |
| celesteh_rules | Jaffa, can you reccomend a piece of (free) software? for osx or maemo? | 17:29 |
| NeoStrider | to provide a neat startup screen | 17:29 |
| NeoStrider | just like marble, Doom and other INDT games | 17:29 |
| Jaffa | celesteh_rules: none for Maemo, AFAIK. Looking for the ones I know about now... | 17:30 |
| celesteh_rules | Jaffa, I really appreciate your help here | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | celesteh_rules: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec | 17:30 |
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| pupnik | NeoStrider: aha! so the games-startup helps manage the sdl games? like when pausing and task-switching? | 17:32 |
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| NeoStrider | yeah | 17:32 |
| NeoStrider | exactly | 17:32 |
| pupnik | maybe i should use it for everything then | 17:32 |
| NeoStrider | if you press home key when playing angstron, for example | 17:32 |
| pupnik | ok yes that is very useful | 17:32 |
| NeoStrider | it *MAY* allow you to go back to the game | 17:32 |
| pupnik | hehe | 17:32 |
| NeoStrider | but its not garanteed | 17:32 |
| NeoStrider | mostly you lose that gaming session | 17:33 |
| NeoStrider | but the maemo-af-desktop is not hurt | 17:33 |
| NeoStrider | maemo-games-startup provide a way to comunicate better with the rest of the system | 17:33 |
| celesteh_rules | Jaffa, thanks very much! Should I run this while using the n800 as a card reader or with the card in the camera (a lumix) | 17:33 |
| NeoStrider | and has a hildonized interface to configure multiplayer games and stuff like that | 17:33 |
| pupnik | so much to learn... so little brain | 17:34 |
| NeoStrider | for SMW it would be the best | 17:34 |
| NeoStrider | for , the problem is not the only the little brain...but the little time too | 17:34 |
| pupnik | i think for all sdl games. need to see how marbles works | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | celesteh_rules: I don't think it matters. If you have no other card reader, I'd use the N800 | 17:35 |
| NeoStrider | angstron is waaaay behind schedule | 17:35 |
| NeoStrider | i did investigated crazy parking a lot , back in 2005 , when maemo was announced to the big public...but I was a newbie at linux | 17:35 |
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| pupnik | you made the crazyparking game? | 17:36 |
| NeoStrider | no no! | 17:36 |
| NeoStrider | indt people did | 17:36 |
| NeoStrider | just like doom | 17:36 |
| pupnik | ahh. btw i think nogravity can be hacked to be faster | 17:36 |
| NeoStrider | nogravity? | 17:37 |
| NeoStrider | never was able to play it | 17:37 |
| NeoStrider | works well? | 17:37 |
| pupnik | no, 2-3 fps when close to complex objects | 17:38 |
| NeoStrider | wow | 17:38 |
| NeoStrider | but when away from big stuff? | 17:38 |
| pupnik | maybe 10-15 fps | 17:38 |
| NeoStrider | nice! | 17:38 |
| NeoStrider | that makes me thing how much i still have to optimize stuff here | 17:39 |
| NeoStrider | eventually , I will start doing ARM ASM | 17:39 |
| pupnik | yes that is not the place to start | 17:39 |
| NeoStrider | im doing my best on the portal rendering stuff | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | and on polygon tesselation | 17:40 |
| * celesteh_rules is guessing at format, but so far so good | 17:40 | |
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| NeoStrider | but working alone on such a big thing is not easy | 17:40 |
| pupnik | my best friend made one of the first 3D accelerated PC games :) | 17:40 |
| NeoStrider | i guess you told me that before | 17:41 |
| pupnik | yes. he wrote the whole thing himself | 17:41 |
| pupnik | so you can too! | 17:41 |
| NeoStrider | how long did he take? | 17:41 |
| pupnik | about 14 months | 17:41 |
| NeoStrider | full time? | 17:41 |
| pupnik | yes 50-70 hours/week | 17:41 |
| pupnik | he hired 5 artists and one sound guy | 17:42 |
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| NeoStrider | ahhh...im working alone, for only 3,4 hours/day | 17:42 |
| NeoStrider | and im tired...becouse I go to college and work | 17:43 |
| NeoStrider | but I love this | 17:43 |
| celesteh | yay! I recovered my photos! | 17:43 |
| celesteh | however, the movies that I took are messed up. Could this be from guessing the wrong format for the SD card? | 17:43 |
| NeoStrider | nothing can stop me from doing it | 17:43 |
| NeoStrider | celesteh...what format you used? | 17:43 |
| celesteh | FAT16 windows. I never formatted the SD card | 17:45 |
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| * timeless goes home for weekend | 17:47 | |
| tweg | timeless, I enjoyed your rant :-) | 17:48 |
| tweg | have a good weekend | 17:48 |
| timeless | tweg: thanks | 17:48 |
| timeless | i might at some point stick these into a blog | 17:48 |
| timeless | i tend to convert irc conversations into blogs | 17:48 |
| timeless | actually, i've been assigned blogging as an official task | 17:49 |
| tweg | you get paid to blog? | 17:49 |
| * timeless ponders | 17:49 | |
| timeless | i get paid to work. my manager said: do blog | 17:49 |
| timeless | so, i suppose so? | 17:49 |
| tweg | that's a yes | 17:49 |
| db48x | heh | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I was thinking of doing something simlar with our earlier internal/external discussion, but spent too much time discussing instead of working :) | 17:50 |
| timeless | i haven't yet been paid to do it, as i haven't yet done it | 17:50 |
| timeless | jaffa: thankfully as someone else discovered earlier, this channel is logged | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | indeed | 17:50 |
| timeless | so i just have to find myself and reformat | 17:50 |
| * timeless frowns | 17:51 | |
| timeless | i have a maze of twisty symlinks all misdirected | 17:51 |
| timeless | and now i'm trying to straighten them | 17:51 |
| tweg | why do so many ppl lurk given that this channel is logged? | 17:51 |
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| timeless | reconnecting is painful for me | 17:52 |
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| timeless | since i have to fix my / char to , among other things | 17:52 |
| tweg | fair enough | 17:52 |
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| tweg | but i meant lurk in the sense of *never* saying anything | 17:53 |
| Toma- | does apt-get work in scratchbox? | 17:53 |
| Toma- | or ment to? | 17:53 |
| timeless | yes | 17:53 |
| timeless | unless your networking is bad | 17:53 |
| Toma- | :/ | 17:53 |
| timeless | which it is by default | 17:53 |
| Toma- | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Accessing a corrupted shared library | 17:54 |
| timeless | check /etc/hosts /etc/resolve.conf | 17:54 |
| Toma- | ahh ok | 17:54 |
| roope | We've also got "do blog" as an official task. :) | 17:54 |
| roope | Which is nice. | 17:54 |
| timeless | roope: heh | 17:54 |
| timeless | toma: your problem is not the one i expected | 17:54 |
| timeless | gdb/strace? | 17:54 |
| timeless | is this x86 or arm? | 17:54 |
| timeless | but, really, i'm gone | 17:55 |
| `0660 | tweg, this is pretty easy way to be on track with maemo | 17:55 |
| Toma- | well, i dont knwo :S | 17:55 |
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| NeoStrider | my father is on TV =-) | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | roope: you should do a post about the help you gave kontorri with UKMP and your thoughts on the new Canola UI video. | 17:56 |
| Toma- | timeless: arm | 17:56 |
| Toma- | ho ho... no devkits | 17:56 |
| timeless | heh | 17:56 |
| tweg | `0660, wouldn't it be easier just to read the logs on the web? but whatever works i guess | 17:56 |
| `0660 | that would require active browsing :) | 17:57 |
| `0660 | my irc client can scroll down the page automatically as new stuff comes in :) | 17:57 |
| `0660 | it's like magic | 17:57 |
| tweg | good point | 17:58 |
| tweg | but i wonder how many ppl are not actually in front of their puters | 17:58 |
| `0660 | i guess you are using mirc :) | 17:59 |
| timeless | heh | 17:59 |
| * timeless finds some errors | 17:59 | |
| timeless | /export/home/svn/world-all/garage/scite | 17:59 |
| timeless | /export/home/svn/world/garage-all/ssh-key-manager/.svn | 17:59 |
| timeless | one of those is clearly wrong :(~ | 18:00 |
| timeless | 68 are wrong :(~ | 18:00 |
| Toma- | woohoo scratchbox is working :) | 18:01 |
| Toma- | 3rd time lucky | 18:02 |
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| Toma- | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Operation not permitted | 18:02 |
| Toma- | :( | 18:02 |
| kulve | Toma-: what did you try to do? | 18:03 |
| Toma- | fix the apt | 18:03 |
| Toma- | eg. apt-get -f install | 18:03 |
| kulve | inside sb? | 18:04 |
| Toma- | its trying to setup dpkg | 18:04 |
| Toma- | yeh | 18:04 |
| timeless | fakeroot | 18:04 |
| kulve | try "faketroot apt-get ..." | 18:04 |
| Toma- | ahh thanks :D | 18:04 |
| Toma- | i didnt know fakeroot could do that | 18:04 |
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| NeoStrider | brb, lunch | 18:06 |
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| desrt | does anyone know where you get sqlite3? | 18:07 |
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| ||cw | desrt: google sqlite? | 18:09 |
| pupnik | sqlite? | 18:09 |
| desrt | i tried that | 18:09 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search sqlite | 18:10 |
| pupnik | libsqlite3-0 - SQLite 3 shared library | 18:10 |
| pupnik | sqlite3 - A command line interface for SQLite 3 | 18:10 |
| pupnik | libsqlite3-dev - SQLite 3 development files | 18:10 |
| desrt | the sqlite site doesn't have maemo packages and the "maemo port" page appears to have been offline for some time (i've actually found google results about people complaining about this) | 18:10 |
| desrt | what repository is that? | 18:10 |
| pupnik | i don't know | 18:10 |
| desrt | heh | 18:10 |
| desrt | apt-cache show sqlite3 | 18:10 |
| ||cw | maemo really needs less repo's | 18:10 |
| desrt | oh. you're not a bot :) | 18:10 |
| desrt | sorry :) | 18:10 |
| Toma- | damn. no qt3 in the sb repos? | 18:11 |
| pupnik | doesn't show the repo just the name | 18:11 |
| pupnik | Filename: pool/gregale/free/s/sqlite3/sqlite3_3.3.5-0.2osso1_armel.deb | 18:11 |
| pupnik | oh apt-cache policy | 18:11 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free Packages | 18:11 |
| desrt | how perplexing | 18:11 |
| desrt | gregale, eh? | 18:11 |
| desrt | thx. | 18:11 |
| pupnik | also appears to be in mistral | 18:12 |
| desrt | mistral is oldschool 770, right? | 18:12 |
| pupnik | yeah - but it's the default repo when you flash the latest image - afaict | 18:13 |
| desrt | arrggh.. maemo mapper wants a package called "sqlite3-0", not "sqlite3" | 18:13 |
| desrt | insanity. | 18:13 |
| pupnik | write the maemo mapper maintainer | 18:14 |
| pupnik | porters need feedback! | 18:14 |
| pupnik | i think he could specify sqlite3 as an alternative requirement - not sure how | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | One of the problems of not having co-ordinated build packages for common libraries. | 18:16 |
| pupnik | woot - got smw loading down to 5 seconds :) | 18:17 |
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| Toma- | http://pastebin.com/m221fb411 | 18:18 |
| Toma- | :( | 18:18 |
| Toma- | This is a pain. /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 18:18 |
| pupnik | so set it | 18:18 |
| Toma- | 0? disabled? lolcat? | 18:19 |
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| Toma- | i dont want any trans | 18:19 |
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| pupnik | ok for these games with big data, i think i can do an automated install with the debian shellscripts: 1) test if mmc1 is mounted. 2) test if mmc1 has enough free space 3) test if /media/mmc1/games exists and if not create it 4) install game data under mmc1/games/gamename | 18:26 |
| pupnik | if no mmc1 mounted with free space, then install to /usr/share/ if enough free space | 18:26 |
| inz | How did you inted to distribute the data files, inside the .deb or make the scripts download them? | 18:32 |
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| tweg | what is with section 3.3 on this page: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/ | 18:42 |
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| pupnik | inz: there are debs for binary and data | 18:43 |
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| inz | pupnik, so you will need momentarily twice the disk space the data package takes | 18:46 |
| inz | pupnik, well, I guess it's not that much of a problem, and it wouldn't be too easy to avoid using download scripts either | 18:46 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 18:48 |
| pupnik | thanks inz, i forgot about the space requirements in /tmp (or wherever the package data goes) | 18:50 |
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| pupnik | perhaps a download script would be better | 18:53 |
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| inz | pupnik, normally the cache is in /var/cache/apt/archives | 18:54 |
| inz | pupnik, IIRC /tmp is tmpfs on the devices, so keeping the packages there would mean that they'd eat memory | 18:55 |
| pupnik | oh yes i knew that :/ | 18:56 |
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| Hyperion|n800 | is there any hope for getting flash not to suck on the n800? | 18:56 |
| pupnik | flash sucks cpu | 18:57 |
| inz | flash sucks. period. | 18:58 |
| Hyperion|n800 | well yes, but you'd figure one could get it to work a bit better.... | 18:58 |
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| pupnik | works fine on a 2Ghz x86 | 19:00 |
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| pupnik | not on a pentium 2 266mhz | 19:01 |
| Hyperion|n800 | heh | 19:01 |
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| pupnik | i.e. the problem is not with the n800 | 19:01 |
| `0660 | i guess flash video is entirely different case as mplayer seems to play it just fine? | 19:03 |
| pupnik | yes | 19:03 |
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| Hyperion|n800 | will skype be recieving an update so that it can use the n800s camera, or is it still limited by the fact that linux skype doesnt have camera support yet at all? | 19:10 |
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| AD-N770 | do you know where I could find some source code where VFP is used ? | 19:27 |
| AD-N770 | prefreable something in assembly that can be compiled with the CS toolchain used in maemo | 19:28 |
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| guardian | hmm i made .deb packages that install just fine on my device | 19:33 |
| guardian | BUT | 19:33 |
| guardian | a friend of mine isntalled the last os update | 19:33 |
| guardian | and it doesn't install | 19:33 |
| guardian | and i don't know why | 19:33 |
| guardian | any idea ? | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | Without seeing the error log, no. | 19:34 |
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| guardian | did not think about that | 19:34 |
| guardian | package details say incompatible application package | 19:34 |
| guardian | ok i know why | 19:35 |
| Sparrow- | I'm having a problem with my mail-program in N800. I just configured my imap-account and now it's dead slow, when I try to use it | 19:35 |
| guardian | because it's not in the user section it seems | 19:35 |
| Sparrow- | I think mainly because I have about 3000 mails in my inbox | 19:35 |
| guardian | pakcage must have "Section: user/F00" to be considered compatible | 19:35 |
| guardian | i guess i have to rebuild the package | 19:36 |
| guardian | however, without rebuilding it, is there a way to workaround that ? | 19:36 |
| pupnik | you can install with dpkg -i | 19:36 |
| Sparrow- | does anyone know where mail-program stores mails in the filesystem? | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | guardian: or have Red Pill mode installed (which is what I guess you have) | 19:37 |
| guardian | pupnik: i tried that but on his tablet xterm asks me the root pass , tried "rootme" but did not work | 19:37 |
| guardian | Jaffa: yeah mine have it but not his | 19:37 |
| guardian | mine has it | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | guardian: you have to `sudo gainroot' before dpkg -i | 19:37 |
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| guardian | i'm discovering funny messages | 19:38 |
| guardian | "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" | 19:38 |
| guardian | :D | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | red-pill might be faster | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | then you could install that package from the app installer | 19:39 |
| guardian | definitely | 19:39 |
| guardian | however i'm surprised "sudo -s" then "rootme" doesn't work | 19:39 |
| jjazz | Has anybody ported emacs to the n800? | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | guardian: it's explicitly disabled. Install the "becomeroot" package, then "sudo gainroot" in a terminal, then dpkg -i | 19:40 |
| kulve | AD-N770: why asm? Afaik, just write code using floats and with proper gcc options, they are converted to vfp instructions instead of something else.. | 19:40 |
| guardian | Jaffa: thx | 19:41 |
| guardian | i'm discovering stuff it's cool :) | 19:41 |
| kulve | AD-N770: "write code" as in "write C code" .. | 19:41 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: vecause i want to use the vector instead of the scalar | 19:43 |
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| AD-N770 | because | 19:43 |
| kulve | I would guess nobody has written vfp code in asm for n800.. | 19:44 |
| AD-N770 | I think that some liboil functions could be written using vfp | 19:44 |
| kulve | could be. My knowledge doesn't go that low level.. | 19:45 |
| AD-N770 | I would like to try it this weekend, and I was looking for some sample code | 19:45 |
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| AD-N770 | if i understood correctly, the vfp that's used on the N800 can operate with sets of registers | 19:46 |
| AD-N770 | this could be used to write some liboil functions that perform operations on vectors of single and double precision, on x86 are written using SSE | 19:48 |
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| * pupnik prays for OpenGL ES 2.0 on the N900 (or whatever it will be called) | 19:54 | |
| kulve | AD-N770: what apps/whatever you think would gain something from better optimized liboil? | 19:55 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: some gstreamer stuff uses liboil | 19:57 |
| kulve | gst uses gst plugins (wrappers) which uses external codecs, which often doesn't use liboil (I don't have too much experience on those though..) | 19:58 |
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| inz | Sparrow, the built-in mail is way broken, I'd suggest to avoid it | 19:59 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: not all the plugins are the codecs provided by external ones | 19:59 |
| Sparrow- | inz: so it seems. Do you have any recommendations? | 20:01 |
| Sparrow- | I located the directory where it stores it's mails | 20:02 |
| Sparrow- | and deleted them | 20:02 |
| AD-N770 | enough for me today, see u, enjoy the weekend | 20:07 |
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| unique311 | so smc is failing to start because of this error, Error: screen mode creation failed Reason: Maximum supported bitdepth is 16 | 20:11 |
| unique311 | can someone explain wtf does that mean... | 20:11 |
| cesman | offhand, I'd say you are running with a color depth greater than 16bits and the programs does like that... | 20:13 |
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| roundeye | major bummer i Laosed up my 770 real bad | 20:20 |
| roundeye | so now im going to flash it | 20:20 |
| roundeye | what is the best os for the 770 | 20:20 |
| roundeye | with the most application support | 20:20 |
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| maddler | evening | 20:21 |
| ajt | pupnik: when speaking of the *n900* when you think that'll hit the streets? year? two? | 20:22 |
| ajt | maddler: afternon | 20:22 |
| maddler | ajt: :) | 20:22 |
| maddler | ajt: I'd say 1.5yr | 20:22 |
| inz | Sparrow, claws-mail is the best I've run into | 20:23 |
| ajt | maddler: sounds about right | 20:23 |
| ajt | maddler: been considering the purchase of the n800 | 20:23 |
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| ajt | figured I'd idle in here for a while and see what neat shit it can do | 20:23 |
| roundeye | what is the os of choice for the 770? | 20:24 |
| cbx33 | hey, do people here generally update packages when an update is available? | 20:24 |
| maddler | I'd go for hacker's edition :) | 20:24 |
| maddler | cbx33: I do | 20:24 |
| cbx33 | ok | 20:25 |
| maddler | unless I don't care :) | 20:25 |
| roundeye | maddler why the hacker eddtion | 20:25 |
| roundeye | is there some where i can r ead about the difference | 20:25 |
| cbx33 | wish you could update all in one go | 20:25 |
| maddler | roundeye: it's basically a backport of N800 OS release | 20:25 |
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| ajt | for the 770? | 20:26 |
| maddler | cbx33: you could try from cli, but it could have some side effects | 20:26 |
| maddler | ajt: right | 20:26 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 20:26 |
| maddler | ajt: some features are missing btw... | 20:26 |
| roundeye | maddler: does it have support for many aplications like os 2006 | 20:26 |
| roundeye | ? | 20:26 |
| ajt | maddler: w/ skype support? | 20:26 |
| cbx33 | i'll do it through app thing | 20:26 |
| ajt | maddler: video stuff of course | 20:26 |
| maddler | ajt: and also think about about *much* improved hardware of N800 | 20:26 |
| maddler | ajt: no... no skype support (yet) | 20:27 |
| ajt | I like how you say *yet* | 20:27 |
| maddler | ajt: I basically can't exclude that an update hackers' edition will be released (sooner or later) | 20:27 |
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| pupnik | does it2007he now go into suspend when the cover is put on? | 20:29 |
| pupnik | man super mario war is fun... got some more tweaks done just now - getting around 40-50 fps constantly | 20:29 |
| pupnik | well on the starting level at least | 20:30 |
| ajt | what other devices can maemo run on? | 20:33 |
| disq | hey, i'm having a bit of a problem. trying to copy over a 30gig file over to reiserfs (from win32) pscp cuts off at 3.5gigs, samba won't work, any ideas? | 20:35 |
| disq | erm sorry the destination fs is ext3 not reiserfs | 20:36 |
| inz | ajt, maemo is the SDK, not an OS | 20:36 |
| disq | (anyway found a page about large file support, reading that) | 20:36 |
| ajt | ahh | 20:36 |
| ajt | inz: time to go do some reading :) | 20:37 |
| maddler | pupnik: dunno... I think it does | 20:37 |
| ajt | so the n800 basically runs debian w/ maemo? | 20:37 |
| maddler | disq: split it and then merge? | 20:37 |
| inz | ajt, n800 runs "Internet Tables OS 2007" | 20:38 |
| inz | -s+t | 20:38 |
| ajt | inz: oh | 20:38 |
| disq | maddler: space problems on the win32 system | 20:38 |
| unique311 | pupnik, the fps can be changed in options... | 20:38 |
| disq | mm. i'll put it up on the web and try wget | 20:38 |
| unique311 | be aware if you do lower or raise it, sound might not work... | 20:39 |
| pupnik | unique311: that's a maximum fps number - on levels with lots of sprites, the 770 sometimes can't do more than 15-20 fps | 20:39 |
| unique311 | smc, i'm getting 62 fps which is set normal. | 20:39 |
| pupnik | really? aha... | 20:39 |
| unique311 | ok | 20:39 |
| disq | Length: -657,391,616 | 20:39 |
| disq | heh that's wget for you (or could be IIS) | 20:39 |
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| inz | disq, I'd guess IIS ;) | 20:40 |
| unique311 | smw* | 20:40 |
| unique311 | still trying to get smc to work | 20:40 |
| pupnik | is there an onscreen fps counter? | 20:40 |
| disq | samba said disk full after 11 gigs of transfer | 20:41 |
| ajt | inz: there a website on Internet Tablet OS 2007? Google isn't turning up anything aside form articles about the upgrade | 20:41 |
| unique311 | might be...need a keyboard to use the extra options | 20:41 |
| unique311 | menus | 20:41 |
| disq | ajt: did you check the ITT forums? should be a few reviews there | 20:42 |
| pupnik | unique311: do you see a slowdown with the swirl spawning? i have to switch it to 'door' spawning because the swirls use too many transparent sprites | 20:42 |
| ajt | disq: ITT forums? | 20:42 |
| inz | ajt, internettablettalk.com | 20:42 |
| trevarthan | ITT? | 20:42 |
| _Monkey | ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 20:42 |
| unique311 | no.. | 20:42 |
| ajt | thanks | 20:42 |
| unique311 | check out the video i made | 20:42 |
| unique311 | no issues at all. | 20:43 |
| trevarthan | ITT forums is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 20:43 |
| trevarthan | ITT forums? | 20:43 |
| _Monkey | well, ITT forums is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 20:43 |
| trevarthan | goodmonkey | 20:43 |
| _Monkey | i heard goodmonkey was a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. | 20:43 |
| inz | ~lart me | 20:44 |
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| trevarthan | ew | 20:44 |
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| disq | mounted the smb share in linux and started the cp, hope it works | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | unique311: what buttons do you use for turbo and weapon/special? | 20:52 |
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| unique311 | volume up and down | 20:54 |
| pupnik | yeah same | 20:54 |
| pupnik | sucks though, i'd rather have buttons on the right - even maybe onscreen buttons | 20:54 |
| pupnik | oh playing two player is possible - one just uses bluetooth keyboard | 20:55 |
| disq | just :P | 20:55 |
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| unique311 | find an SDL expert | 20:56 |
| pupnik | do you think it'd be better with onscreen buttons? | 20:57 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: gaming on the n800? Yeah. better with OSD buttons. | 20:57 |
| unique311 | yeah | 20:58 |
| unique311 | theirs space for buttons. | 20:58 |
| pupnik | i've been testing UQM with the onscreen buttons for about a week and it is pretty playable | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | we need like an overlay keyboard. One with only 4 buttons. And it just shows up for certain games. | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | I don't even know if that sort of an overlay is possible though. | 20:59 |
| pupnik | ? | 20:59 |
| trevarthan | I mean as a separate application. | 20:59 |
| pupnik | they work in fceu and UQM | 20:59 |
| pupnik | oh | 20:59 |
| trevarthan | that way we wouldn't have to hack each app. | 20:59 |
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| pupnik | well imo the SDL display has to be shifted to the left to make space | 21:00 |
| trevarthan | unless it's transparent | 21:00 |
| unique311 | yes | 21:00 |
| pupnik | It's not really difficult :) | 21:00 |
| trevarthan | but yeah, if not transparent, you could probably hack some part of hildon to do that, right? | 21:00 |
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| pupnik | i guess it's possible | 21:01 |
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| trevarthan | have you guys seen that new python iphone keyboard for the n800? | 21:02 |
| pupnik | Error Loading Music: Module format not recognized | 21:02 |
| trevarthan | I haven't played with it, but I read the article. I wonder if they would have any suggestions. | 21:02 |
| pupnik | you seeing that ^^ error when you exit the game unique311 ? | 21:02 |
| unique311 | no | 21:03 |
| pupnik | ok it might be aproblem with it2006's libSDL | 21:03 |
| lmoura | maemo.org down (or broken)? | 21:04 |
| pupnik | does music run continuously through the game? or just when you win a level or someone gets down to 0 lives? | 21:04 |
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| milhouse | maemo.rog down? | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | Seems so.. | 21:23 |
| milhouse | not cool :( | 21:24 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm the box has a load of 33 ;) | 21:28 |
| milhouse | maemo.org now redirects to itelf | 21:28 |
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| milhouse | someone is obviously performing maintenance (good timing - friday afternoon - not) | 21:28 |
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| milhouse | i would wish (and have asked) that they pre-announce maintenance | 21:28 |
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| milhouse | it's not hard, and is considered professional where I come from ;) | 21:28 |
| milhouse | it always looks so much better than a site which disappears because someone fancies a bit of a tinker | 21:29 |
| |tbb| | damn second time a week my sdhc-card doesnt work after copying files to it | 21:29 |
| |tbb| | now i cant format it because the system doesnt reconize the card anymore | 21:29 |
| trevarthan | sdhc bug? | 21:30 |
| milhouse | bug 1204 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204) is your friend. try the app in comment #45 | 21:30 |
| trevarthan | 1204? | 21:30 |
| milhouse | (i've no idea if it works, but it worked for someone) | 21:30 |
| trevarthan | I can't remember what the _Monkey tag is for that... | 21:30 |
| X-Fade | milhouse: I am logged in to the box, it was overloaded somehow. It should be back to normal now.. | 21:32 |
| milhouse | x-fade: yep, looks ok now - thanks | 21:34 |
| milhouse | for a while i was just getting a page for http://maemo.org which said "Click here to go to maemo.org" very strange | 21:34 |
| X-Fade | milhouse: Yeah, had the same problem this afternoon.. | 21:35 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 | 21:36 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug? | 21:36 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 | 21:36 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug is also costing end users money because it makes N800's eat expensive cards | 21:37 |
| _Monkey | okay, milhouse. | 21:37 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug? | 21:37 |
| _Monkey | sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 or costing end users money because it makes N800's eat expensive cards | 21:37 |
| milhouse | oh well not perfect but should do the trick | 21:37 |
| X-Fade | milhouse: You might want to add 'allegedly' there :) | 21:38 |
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| milhouse | forget sdhc bug | 21:38 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot sdhc bug | 21:38 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | why? seems to be a legitimate issue. | 21:38 |
| X-Fade | I haven't seen reports confirming it every time with the same type of card in the same slot? | 21:40 |
| X-Fade | Or did I miss something? | 21:40 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug is also sometimes turns an N800 into an expensive SD/SDHC card eating machine (which may leave you out of pocket) | 21:40 |
| _Monkey | okay, milhouse. | 21:40 |
| milhouse | sdhc bug? | 21:40 |
| _Monkey | sdhc bug is probably https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 or sometimes turns an N800 into an expensive SD/SDHC card eating machine (which may leave you out of pocket) | 21:40 |
| |tbb| | the card doesnt reconized from the internal card slot | 21:40 |
| milhouse | internal is unusual, it's usually the external slots that causes the most problems | 21:41 |
| |tbb| | cant testmedia from card wiper tool | 21:41 |
| |tbb| | before it was on the external slot | 21:41 |
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| milhouse | tbb - so it was knackered while in the external slot? | 21:42 |
| trevarthan | X-Fade: I think that's Nokia's job, not ours. It seems pretty obvious that there is a major problem and that it eats cards. | 21:42 |
| milhouse | i'm surprised nokia haven't asked anyone to post their dead card so they can see what is happening, considering they are unable to reproduce the problem | 21:43 |
| trevarthan | yeah, or maybe buy a big expensive SDHC card themselves and see if they can reproduce it. That's what I'd do. | 21:43 |
| milhouse | no, no - what am i saying. of course i'm not surprised nokia aren't discussing this problem in public. | 21:43 |
| |tbb| | milhouse what is knackered? | 21:45 |
| milhouse | your card? | 21:46 |
| trevarthan | lol | 21:46 |
| |tbb| | yes in the external slot | 21:46 |
| milhouse | k, so that continues the pattern seen by most others - it's the external slot which has the most leathality | 21:47 |
| milhouse | internal seems pretty much ok | 21:47 |
| |tbb| | need to get the card working | 21:47 |
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| |tbb| | but how | 21:47 |
| trevarthan | I think you might be out of luck. | 21:47 |
| milhouse | i do hope it's not a design flaw, which occasionally results in the external slots squirting too much juice into the card | 21:48 |
| trevarthan | I don't think anyone has successfully revived one of those dead cards. | 21:48 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I think that might be it, actually. | 21:48 |
| milhouse | have you tried the software mentioned in the final comment of bug 1204? The Panasonic software doesn't work apparently | 21:48 |
| trevarthan | Just a guess on my end. | 21:48 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - that's where my money is too... according to PhilL there are electrical differences between the internal and external slots | 21:49 |
| milhouse | with luck they can bring it under control with software much as they did the dodgey touchscreen | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | ooooo.... here's hoping the n880 has multitouch. :) | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | (and doesn't eat SDHC cards) | 21:50 |
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| pupnik | what is multitouch good for? | 21:57 |
| pupnik | thumb typing? e.g. shift and keypress? | 21:57 |
| trevarthan | well, the thumb keyboard is the most prominent, IMO. | 21:58 |
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| pupnik | i'd hate to spend 40 euro extra just for that :) give me multibutton! | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | yeah. shift, plus just typing multiple keys quickly. the current keyboard freaks out if you have more than one region pressed at a time. With multitouch, you could detect which was pressed first and not freak out. | 21:59 |
| pupnik | ah makes sense! | 21:59 |
| pupnik | while we're at it - compiz/beryl with all windows mapped to opengl textures, for fast layering | 22:00 |
| trevarthan | I think the iphone uses it for finger gestures too, like pinch to zoom, but I don't really care about that. I just want a decent keyboard. | 22:00 |
| trevarthan | :) | 22:00 |
| pupnik | and a transparent thumbkeyboard that automagically dims the background window enough to see the buttons | 22:00 |
| trevarthan | yeah, that's a bit harder though. | 22:00 |
| milhouse | doesn't maemo 4.0 add alpha channel support to the GUI? | 22:00 |
| pupnik | it's not realistic due to memory limitations on the 3d chip, i think | 22:00 |
| milhouse | i'm sure some of the demos have transparency in the gui | 22:01 |
| pupnik | maybe not... it's fun to blather about new features though | 22:01 |
| pupnik | hmm | 22:01 |
| pupnik | demos on maemo.org? youtube? | 22:01 |
| milhouse | sorry... "demos" wrong word | 22:01 |
| milhouse | pictures and sardine mainly | 22:01 |
| trevarthan | BTW, I just added GST support to kagu: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/244 It's disabled for testing currently, but the core functionality is there. | 22:01 |
| milhouse | pupnik - look at this http://importluck.blogspot.com/2007/06/sardine-with-alpha-channel.html | 22:02 |
| pupnik | cool :) | 22:03 |
| trevarthan | looks like fake transparency, like KDE's form of transparency. | 22:04 |
| trevarthan | pre-rendered, in other words. | 22:04 |
| milhouse | i hope not | 22:04 |
| |tbb| | trevarthan: is this your site? | 22:04 |
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| trevarthan | |tbb|: the kagu thing? Yeah. I'm the lead developer and it's hosted from my house. | 22:05 |
| trevarthan | please don't hack me. :) | 22:05 |
| |tbb| | i have buyed a stereo bluetooth headset from motorola s9 | 22:06 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, I've got an s9 too. It works with kagu. | 22:07 |
| trevarthan | Just follow the instructions. | 22:07 |
| |tbb| | have used the kagu playa for using it but the sound not clear sometimes :( | 22:07 |
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| kulve | MoRpHeUz: hey, the url? ;) | 22:08 |
| trevarthan | sorry |tbb|. I really need to put this online somewhere. You need to bump the sbcbitpool value in ~/.a2dprc from 32 to 53 and restart kagu. Then the sound won't suck. | 22:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: hi! how are you ?! | 22:09 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: fine, thanks :) Summer holiday almost over.. | 22:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: =) | 22:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: try something like this: | 22:09 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kulve: http://IP:40000/stream.do?transcoder=gmencoder&type=myth&uri=backend_ip:backend_port/livetv/?channel=channel_number | 22:12 |
| MoRpHeUz | you can use transcoder=mencoder also | 22:12 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: how's that coming BTW? Did you ever fix the mencoder reliability issues? I started trying to fix it, but then I got side tracked with Kagu. | 22:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: well, last time I tried everything was working...(using mpeg1)... | 22:16 |
| trevarthan | Did the new firmware fix any mpeg4 streaming? | 22:17 |
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| kulve | MoRpHeUz: thx, I'll try it | 22:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: nop =( | 22:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: =) | 22:19 |
| kulve | Can that be used to stream files too? That would be more important for me, I guess | 22:20 |
| trevarthan | bummer... | 22:20 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kulve: for sure, just change the "type" from type=myth to type=file | 22:20 |
| trevarthan | well, but we can do kmplayer plugins in the new mozilla browser, though, right? | 22:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | type=dvd also works | 22:20 |
| kulve | but for files, some sort of browser would be convenient | 22:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: never thought about that..good idea.. ;-) | 22:20 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kulve: I have a function called list.do (http://IP:40000/list.do) but it just lists files at a directory called ".transcoded" inside gmyth-streamer for security purpouses.. | 22:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | but it's easy to get it off the source-code | 22:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | ;-) | 22:21 |
| kulve | ok | 22:21 |
| |tbb| | trevarthan: nice sound much better now | 22:23 |
| trevarthan | good. glad to hear it. sorry about that. I'll have to fix the bluetooth-alsa debs or something. | 22:24 |
| |tbb| | chances to improve the cpu consume? | 22:24 |
| trevarthan | I think you make either the fourth or fifth person besides myself who is using a2dp. | 22:24 |
| trevarthan | in kagu, mplayer, or a2dpd? | 22:25 |
| trevarthan | kagu? maybe. mplayer, or a2dpd: probably not. | 22:25 |
| |tbb| | a2dpd | 22:25 |
| trevarthan | a2dpd is already pretty optimized, from what I hear from the developers. It's not written by me. | 22:26 |
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| |tbb| | how long you could listen to a fully charged battery | 22:26 |
| trevarthan | maybe 2 hours, if lucky. more like 1, I think. | 22:26 |
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| trevarthan | I usually plug it in and use them at my desk. | 22:26 |
| trevarthan | Honestly, I find the s9 rather uncomfortable. :) | 22:27 |
| |tbb| | k i understand | 22:27 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to stream the fm-radio to mplayer? | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | probably. never tried. I want to try though. I just don't have time. | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | fm radio uses a normal v4l2 interface, I think. | 22:28 |
| trevarthan | very similar to the radios found on hauppauge tv cards, I think. | 22:28 |
| trevarthan | (from userspace, I mean. I doubt the hardware is similar) | 22:28 |
| disq | yeah afaik it's the same api | 22:29 |
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| X-Fade | Hehe, nice story about a guy that build a 1 TB music server and finally reached the conclusion that a N800 + Rhapsody was all he needed :) | 22:33 |
| X-Fade | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6488801276.html | 22:33 |
| milhouse | that's why Rhapsody could have been a killer application - such a shame it's limited to US only | 22:33 |
| milhouse | Rhapsody + N800 + 3G unlimited data connection... bliss | 22:33 |
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| X-Fade | Yep, would have been nice... | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | i wish i knew how to generate profiling information on teh nokia | 22:40 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: easy with python. not sure about C apps. | 22:41 |
| itnomad | nokia website says "For updating your software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org". I can't find the info on how to update the OS on my 770. | 22:41 |
| pupnik | well i did generate some actually, but i'm not sure if it's real | 22:41 |
| itnomad | I'm currently using Version: 2.2006.39-14. Is an update in order? | 22:43 |
| pupnik | i wonder if some madman could figure out a way to make the psion 5mx keyboard plug into USB | 22:45 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, whats the video res on smw? | 22:45 |
| pupnik | 640x480 | 22:45 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows for what is that good for https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ | 22:46 |
| unique311 | i got thru the 16 bpp error.. | 22:46 |
| unique311 | now complaining about no video mode large enough for 800x600 | 22:47 |
| pupnik | unique311: did you pull the latest svn sources? or are you working from some tarball? | 22:47 |
| unique311 | this is not mario war.. | 22:48 |
| unique311 | i'm working with mario chronicles | 22:48 |
| pupnik | oh cool | 22:48 |
| unique311 | video is set for 800x600 | 22:48 |
| unique311 | i need to lower it. | 22:48 |
| unique311 | with a correct res | 22:49 |
| unique311 | at first i was getting the 16Bpp error | 22:49 |
| unique311 | the developer helped me get rid of that.. | 22:49 |
| pupnik | you might look for SDL_CreateRGBSurface | 22:49 |
| pupnik | SDL_SetVideoMode | 22:50 |
| pupnik | wherever those are is where it sets up the screen | 22:51 |
| unique311 | k | 22:52 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz you might want to look at that source for a reference for SDL (it's small) | 22:53 |
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| TimRiker | |tbb|: looks like the driver for the wifi chip in the n800 that you need for a custom kernel. The stock kernels include the wifi driver. I have not used it though. | 22:53 |
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| pupnik | If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.? - Henry Ford | 23:07 |
| pupnik | ^^ :) | 23:07 |
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| |tbb| | damn how can i get my transcend 8gb shdc class6 card back working | 23:19 |
| |tbb| | the nokia doesnt reconized the card, i cant format it | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | |tbb|: does the card have a warranty? | 23:25 |
| |tbb| | it supposed to have a warranty | 23:25 |
| |tbb| | but there might be a way to get it back working without bringing it back, i think the nokia wont brick a sdhc-card | 23:28 |
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| kulve | MoRpHeUz: ** (gmemcoder:10998): WARNING **: Audio elements not found | 23:31 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: 404.. | 23:31 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kulve: try with mencoder.. =/ | 23:32 |
| trevarthan | |tbb|: I think you might be mistaken. | 23:32 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: yeah, transcoding from file works with memcoder | 23:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: regarding these problems with gmencoder, the best person to ask is renatofilho_ as he coded it...it should work any way =( | 23:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: great! =) | 23:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | at least that.. | 23:33 |
| kulve | (running mplayer on my own computer) | 23:33 |
| |tbb| | so could they make problems if i would use the warranty? | 23:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: that should work on n800 also (with mplayer on that) | 23:33 |
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| kulve | MoRpHeUz: I've compiled gmencoder on /usr/local/something -path.. Maybe that breaks something? | 23:33 |
| kulve | and I haven't recompiled that for a month now.. Is there something new in the svn trunk? | 23:34 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: hhmm..probably this /usr/local stuff... | 23:34 |
| trevarthan | |tbb|: not in the usa. not sure about germany though. | 23:34 |
| |tbb| | how can i mkfs.vfat for the internalcard whats the device name? | 23:34 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: this last month I didnt change anything on gmyth-streamer as I'm not on this team anymore but maybe them changed something on gmencoder and even gmyth..(I'm in canola team now) | 23:35 |
| trevarthan | |tbb|: looks like on my n800, the device name for the internal card (mmc2) is: /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 23:35 |
| trevarthan | (gleaned from `df -h` | 23:36 |
| trevarthan | ) | 23:36 |
| |tbb| | nochance very disappointed over n8 kills sdhc | 23:38 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: wow, that plays *nicely* on the n800 :) | 23:40 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: =) happy to hear that hehe...should be the same when using mythtv | 23:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: and should work also through the internet (not just on local lan) | 23:41 |
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| kulve | problem with live tv could be my powerless media box. It seems it can store nicely, but not show it real time plus store.. | 23:43 |
| kulve | now I'm watching a recorded show.. I need some browser mode to select the file.. | 23:43 |
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| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: you know, I talked to the mythtv devs about gmyth, and they said that probably the reason why it only works with mpeg1 is because it's got all that NUV crap still in the stream. | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | mencoder can handle NUV, but it's old code and not up to date with mythtv (no libnuv or anything). | 23:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: hhmm | 23:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | maybe that's the reason | 23:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | I'll let the guys that are still working on it know about what you just said... | 23:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | thanks for that! =D | 23:53 |
| trevarthan | yeah, let me know what they say too. I'm interested. | 23:53 |
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| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: for sure! | 23:58 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: hmm.. I get the following error, when trying to see the live tv: | 23:59 |
| kulve | "GET /stream.do?transcoder=mencoder&type=myth&uri=192.168.3.11:6543/livetv/?channel=65 HTTP/1.0" 200 - | 23:59 |
| kulve | gms.mencoder ERROR Error: invalid literal for int(): | 23:59 |
| kulve | gms.mencoder ERROR Error: Problems while starting streaming. | 23:59 |
| kulve | gms.request ERROR localhost.localdomain: code 404, message File not found | 23:59 |
| kulve | any hints..? | 23:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: any log on backend's side ? | 23:59 |
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