IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-07-26

unique311upload it and send link00:00
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unique311how big is it?00:00
pupnik9.9 MB total00:00
unique311not bad00:00
unique311if it works, that'll be awesome00:01
pupnikmine seems to crash while loading00:01
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unique311does it run on scratchbox?00:02
unique311or is it crashing on scratchbox00:02
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pupnik"Super Mario War" is and
pupnik_Monkey: forget "Super Mario War"00:05
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot "super mario war"00:05
pupnik"Super Mario War" is and
unique311i got bin00:05
unique311but data not found for the first one00:05
unique311got it00:06
pupniki have to get multiboot going here, it2007he is killin me00:06
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pupnikthis is really well done00:09
proctopupnik: so acmonitor doesn't work on it2007?00:09
proctoor just it2007he?00:09
proctocause I installed and it doesn't seem to do much of anything :>00:09
pupnikacmonitor for n800 works on n800, acmonitor for 770 works on 2006 and 2007he00:10
proctoah right, hm. I'm fairly sure I download the n800 one...00:10
proctoI'll redownload and reinstall once I'm in wifi range again00:11
proctomy current crusade will be patching the wifi drivers to enable packet injection00:11
proctothe hardware should support it00:11
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pupnikany luck unique311 ?00:11
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pupnikruns fine in scratchbox - just hands while loading on 770 / it2007he00:12
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unique311empty map directory00:13
unique311guess i need to dl maps00:13
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pupniki didn't - just kept hitting enter00:15
unique311it works00:16
pupnikis there sound?00:16
unique311need to test the buttons00:16
unique311hopefully they work00:16
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unique311very nice00:19
unique311you can just package it up pupnick and place it on the repo00:20
pupnikthat's a huge find unique31100:20
pupnikis there vs via internet?00:21
unique311it is a good game00:21
unique311playing it00:21
unique311its fast00:21
unique311sound works00:21
unique311controls work00:22
unique311let me check net play00:22
unique311video anybody?00:22
unique311thats why its fast00:23
unique311framerate at 6200:23
unique311on normal00:23
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unique31140 is good right00:24
pupniki'll have to do something about /usr/share/smw though00:24
unique311the games works nicely.00:25
unique311not finding network options00:25
unique311still looking00:25
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pupniki don't think they have it00:27
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unique311they don't00:28
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N800actually a 4 player game option00:29
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cbx33is that super mario war?00:29
unique311i think they have the option pupnik00:29
cbx33lemme know when it's all pacakged up00:30
pupnik"Super Mario War"?00:30
_Monkeyhmmm... "Super Mario War" is and
cbx33pupnik, is there a nice tutorial for packaing for the N80000:30
unique311i just tried the world option....and it gave error reading world file..00:30
unique311think that file need to be edit00:31
unique311might be the file needed for netplay00:31
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whaq_is there a way to run maemo on the sharp zaurus?00:33
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guardianevening maemo00:58
GreySim_Figured out the problem with Xournal. I needed to update the repos from the mistral ones mentioned to the actual current gregale ones. Then Xournal installed just fine.00:58
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pupnikso you changed all mistral to gregale, or added new ones for gregale?01:00
Mikhothe mistral repos seem to be broken01:01
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GreySim_Is it possible to manually set your IP after connecting to a wifi AP?01:04
pupnikhah "unable to install osso-xterm"01:04
unique311pupnik, smw compiled for you with no errors?01:05
pupniki think you can from the shell with ifconfig - not sure though - you can also set up another connection profile with manual ip01:05
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GreySim_Hmm. Not seeing any manual IP options anywhere.01:07
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GreySim_Though I can just try ifconfig I guess.01:08
pupnikgo into control panel -> connection manager and create a new connection for wlan01:08
GreySim_Ah. Completely failed to see the Connections button in Connectivity before. Oops. >.<01:10
GreySim_Oh good, I can even hide the network now if I ever get my router fixed. Thanks doubly. :)01:11
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unique311button mapping works in game01:14
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robtaylorMDK: Yeah, My ejabberd still wont auth to gmail.com01:20
robtaylorMDK: think i best switch to jabberd01:20
pupnik743386 Dec  4  2006 hildon_home_bg_user.png01:21
pupnikplus the 8 MB of stuff in MyDocs01:21
pupnikplus about 12MB of themes you can free up01:21
pupnik /dev/mtdblock4          126464     52908     73556  42% /01:22
janii found MyDocs and userdocs there in particulary very funny.01:22
janii dont remember the filesize but atleast last time i checked there is some userdoc pdf  with enGB and enUS01:23
pupnikwhere is userdocs?01:23
janiteh funney part is that enUS is double the size of enGB01:23
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pupnik/usr/share/osso-help ?01:24
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janii guess it should be somewhere under /home/user/MyDocs/.user-docs or .. or im talking about something thats not out yet.01:25
pupnikthat's empty here01:26
pupnik /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/01:26
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janisomething under there ?01:28
janiunder .documents/ ?01:28
janiok, then those are not released yet. "uups"01:28
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* sp3000 dispatches the MiBs01:29
towskianyone know what the bluetooth service is that uses a phone as a modem?01:30
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janiiik! dont talk about mibs01:32
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pupnikcool, i just fixed a corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/status by hand :)01:34
pupnikhoo*ray for textfiles01:34
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pupnikunique311: do you have a keymap for smw?01:36
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unique311no...i'm looking for config files..01:36
unique311i only see one..not sure if its the keymap01:37
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unique311located in /home/user/.smw.options.bin01:37
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unique311no net play01:42
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pupniki get to 'press any key to continue' in the startup screen and then it hangs on me01:47
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unique311i just press an one of the arrow keys and it goes to the menu section01:53
unique311maybe you should try my .bin file01:53
pupnikcouldn't hurt01:55
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GreySimI'll show you my .bin if you show me yours.01:55
cbx33still no luck on this tar01:57
cbx33i tarred it up in linux01:57
cbx33a normal .tar.gz01:57
cbx33but it won;t untar it01:57
cbx33tar: invalid tar magic01:58
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cbx33looks like its a common issue02:00
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cbx33i just have no idea how to transfer the gtkdoc library now02:02
unique311just remove the .tar from the end and add . in the front02:02
unique311hope that makes sense02:02
cbx33something.tar.gz becomes?02:03
unique311not you02:03
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cbx33thought it was an easy fix for my problem02:03
cbx33sorry unique31102:03
unique311pupnik remove the .tar from the end of the file, and add a . in the front.02:03
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unique311nvm the first link pupnik02:05
unique311with this link   unrar it02:06
unique311rename it and add . in front02:06
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unique311so it looks like so .smw.options.bin02:06
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unique311no need to rename anything..just unrar in /home/user/02:09
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cbx33now it's just lost my mmc2 card02:16
cbx33saying there's nothing on it02:16
cbx33tried to save a 9Mb file from the net onto it02:16
cbx33shouldn't be a problem should it02:16
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cbx33it'll untar02:19
cbx33as long as it isn't compressed at all02:20
unique311what are you trying to do?02:20
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cbx33ust tar up a load of files02:20
cbx33transfer and untar02:20
cbx339Mb of gtkdoc files02:20
cbx33if i tar up with the GUI in gnome it fails02:21
unique311tar xvzf don't work02:21
cbx33if I tar like this - tar czf test.tar.gz gtkdoc/02:21
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cbx33i get a 900K file02:21
cbx33which won't untar02:21
cbx33if I tar like this - tar cf test.tar.gz gtkdoc/02:21
cbx33though it's a 9Mb file02:21
cbx33nevermind it works02:21
unique311i use ubuntu..02:22
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cbx33me too02:22
unique311right click and extract all works02:22
unique311where's pupnik02:22
_Monkeyi guess pupnik is guessing that you need  a full version of tar and not the busybox version02:22
cbx33ok the n800?02:22
_Monkeythe n800 is probably much better than a desk phone :-)02:22
cbx33igot the files i need02:22
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unique311monkey is a bot02:23
unique311where's pupnik02:23
_Monkeypupnik is guessing that you need  a full version of tar and not the busybox version02:23
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agogoguys..just bought an 8gb A-Data SDHC..popped it in my n800 with the latest firmware (should support SDHC), but checked on the control panel, only 690mb is available..what gives?02:41
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unique311what happen to you..02:54
agogohas anyone had this problem?02:54
unique311i have better news..02:54
unique311you need to check this one out.  maybe better than smw02:55
pupnikbtw that SDL file your were missing belongs to libsdl-mixer1.2=dev, i think02:56
unique311i installed it..02:57
unique311but SDL_mixer.h is still MIA02:57
unique311going to reinstall scratchbox..02:57
unique311and try my hands at maryo chronicles..02:57
pupnikthe minimum system requirements look too high03:03
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tinixanyone have a few minutes to spare?03:14
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tinixi'm having problems with my home and power buttons...03:15
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tinixinstead of bringing up a menu, my device just turs off, or i'm dropped to the home screen in the case of the home button03:17
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tinixi have tried editing mce.ini to no avail03:17
pupniki don't know this problem tinix03:26
unique311no go with screenshots look real good03:27
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tinixif i remove mce.ini, this behavior is just like that. i think i may have corrupted my file :S03:28 was ported to the gp32x03:28
unique311source file available..03:28
pupnikthere must be a way to disable opengl then03:28
unique311version .9703:28
unique311pre .9803:28
unique311as of .98 opengl was introduce to it.03:28
unique311pre .98 sdl03:29
tinixcan anyone dcc me their /etc/mce.ini and /etc/systemui/systemui.xml files?03:29
unique311pretty sure 99 has an option in the .configure03:29
pupniktinix: my nokia is not working right now sorry03:30
unique311if you go to the gp32x can find the source.03:30
unique311i'll send you them tinix..but i have to look em over03:30
tinixpupnik, thanks anyway...03:30
pupniktinix: it would help if you speficied your operating system version03:30
tinixthe newest one... hold on03:30
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tinixsoftpoweroff wprked fine in the last one03:31
tinix~ $ uname -a03:31
tinixLinux Nokia-N800-26 2.6.18-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 13 11:37:40 EEST 2007 armv6l unknown03:32
unique311k, i don't have /etc/mce.ini03:32
unique311i do have the xml file03:32
unique311you want it03:32
tinixmy mistake03:32
unique311hold on03:32
tinixthanks :)03:33
tinixi'm away from home, didn't bring my laptop, or else i'd reflash... again.03:34
tinixthanks, unique311 i'll let you know if it works03:39
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tinixi owe you my first-born unique31103:52
unique311thats deep man..03:54
unique311if i was the devil you would be screwed03:54
unique311to the devil thats a deal03:55
tinixtoo bad i don't believe in the devil :P03:55
unique311i guess you would have to believe, huh03:55
unique311thats how those things work....03:55
tinixyou know alot about the subject, eh? how would i go about trading souls with someone?03:56
unique311i don't know about such things..03:57
tinixbut you just said...03:57
unique311religion don't play a big part in my life..03:57
unique311when i do tell people what i believe in they tend to laugh...03:58
unique311not lies and slander..03:58
tinixlet's hear it03:58
unique311i alway tend to go off topic in this channel..03:58
unique311not sure i should try to explain what i believe in on maemo..03:59
unique311might get the boot03:59
unique311pupnik, thanks for the mario war port...04:00
unique311konttori, thanks for the UKMP update...04:01
Radar(now fix the 12 albums to scroll bug)04:03
tinixanyone know how if flickr is being implemented into the camera app? there is a flickr line in the config file04:05
pupnikgot to sleep -cheers04:10
unique311lates man04:11
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fro1I'm starting to hate apt just as much as timeless does04:40
fro1 This is xmlto, a virtually generated package. Functionality of this package04:40
fro1 is provided by Scratchbox.04:40
fro1NO IT'S NOT04:40
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NeoStriderhello folks05:08
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fro1(nobody minds profanity, right?)05:10
fro1I need a package05:10
fro1which needs glib05:10
fro1but the bora one is too old05:10
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fro1I get the source package05:10
fro1which needs gnome-pkg-tools05:11
fro1but the bora version is too old05:11
fro1I get the source package05:11
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fro1which can't find 'xmlto'05:11
fro1after a lot of hassle, it turns out scratchbox didn't install the doctools devkit correctly05:11
fro1(in SDK_X86, xmlto is there and works, on armel IT'S NOT)05:12
fro1fix that05:12
fro1rinse and repeat05:12
fro1still errors05:12
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fro1I'm not supposed to waste my nights on this, I just need glib05:13
NeoStriderwhat are you doing, fro1?05:14
fro1porting telepathy-salut05:14
fro1while my friends are getting drunk and humping the living shit out of their girlfriends at the beach05:14
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fro1even mamona and openembedded don't have a recent glib205:16
fro1and I'm not saying recent as in "last week" and as a months old release05:16
infobotfro1 meant: but I'm not saying recent as in "last week" and as a months old release05:16
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NeoStriderwhat is telepathy-salut?05:17
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NeoStridervoip, right?05:17
fro1link-local connection manager05:17
fro1"iChat+Bonjour"-style chat over the LAN05:18
NeoStriderwhat the hell is that?05:18
NeoStridernice =-)05:18
fro1it's not05:18
fro1at least, it is, unless you're trying to build it05:18
NeoStriderwhats the diference?05:18
fro1difference between salut and what ?05:19
NeoStrider(not mesmerizing...Im really asking)05:19
NeoStridersalut and a IM05:19
fro1it IS an im system05:19
fro1without a centralized server05:19
fro1it just lists whoever is on your same LAN05:19
fro1and you can chat with him, share files, video, and more in the future05:20
NeoStrideroh.. I see05:20
NeoStriderlike those sms chats from old Series 30 phones05:20
fro1no idea05:20
fro1never had a nokia05:20
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fro1but a friend of mine could do a similar thing with the 6630 (or whatever that was) with bluetooth05:21
NeoStriderthose are way before BT05:21
NeoStriderBW phones05:22
NeoStriderwhere are you from, fro1?05:22
fro1I wasted all this time for NOTHING05:23
fro1Chinook has an up-to-date glib05:23
NeoStridertake a deep breath...05:23
fro1and I found out just now05:23
fro1at 4am05:23
NeoStrideryou should be sleeping...05:24
fro1NeoStrider: I have an internet connection only from 11pm to 6am every day05:24
NeoStrideri see05:24
fro1so I can't afford wasting time like that05:24
NeoStrideri once had that...( was 5 years ago , but I understand you)05:24
fro1if I had just upgraded to chinook earlier...05:24
fro1the problem is that probably I won't be able to run the damn thing on the device that05:25
fro1therefore it's.. utterly useless05:25
fro1but still, it's the only thing I can do now05:25
fro1to upgrade or not to upgrade?05:25
NeoStriderand the SDK is not complete yet, anyway05:26
fro1NeoStrider: your choice05:26
fro1I now, but I need those packages05:26
NeoStriderI know nothing from gregalle and on05:26
NeoStriderand Im only a game developer05:26
NeoStriderthe underlying layer is not my business05:26
fro1the problem is that if I break scratchbox, I'm quite screwed05:26
NeoStriderI just need SDL working correctly and consistently (and that sometimes fail)05:26
NeoStriderI had this case before05:26
NeoStriderjust copy your SBOX05:27
NeoStriderand if you screw it, restore the copy05:27
fro1'no space left on device'05:27
NeoStriderworked for me when I tried to install gregalle and it didnt worked ...I restored my mistral SDL just fine05:27 you'r f*cked up05:27
NeoStriderno CD recorder?05:27
fro1no CDs :P05:28
fro1not that big05:28
NeoStriderhow big?05:28
fro1got an old mp3 player, 128Mb, scrathbox takes _gigabytes_05:28
NeoStridermine is only 1.1 gb05:29
NeoStriderand I've got a 1 GB, maybe it could work...05:29
NeoStriderand of can always clean up the house erasing the old .tgz from the rootstraps05:30
fro1maybe I'm safe05:31
fro1the chinook targets are called SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL  and SDK_ALPHA_X8605:31
NeoStridererase all that pr0n and maybe will there be "space on device" =-P05:31
NeoStriderlucky heheh05:32
fro1they won't overwrite the old ones05:32
NeoStriderbut and rootstraps wont clash?05:32
NeoStriderand the glib thing?05:32
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NeoStriderthe new rootstraps wont overwrite the old one's glib?05:33
fro1we'll promptly find out05:34
fro1I have no other option anyway05:34
NeoStrider"770: thats when your fading out routing of your game looks good on your desktop but not on the device" (R)05:36
NeoStrider("fading out routine", not "routing")05:36
NeoStridera game im debugging on the 770 right now05:37
NeoStrideron the desktop, the fading out effect looked great05:37
NeoStrideron the 770 is jerky05:37
NeoStriderI superstimated the polygon blitting speed05:38
fro1and I overestimated the time it would take to build a *gnome-based* package on a *gnome-based* distribution05:39
infobotfro1 meant: and I underestimated the time it would take to build a *gnome-based* package on a *gnome-based* distribution05:40
NeoStridercool stuff heheh05:40
fro1no at all05:41
NeoStriderabout the package...the fact is or isnt a gnome-based distro doesnt interfere with the speed05:41
fro1going on vacation would be 'cool stuff'05:41
NeoStrider(cool "infobot")05:41
fro1I'm not talking about your package05:41
NeoStriderbut im talking about yours05:42
NeoStrider(ok, my english is not good, but I guess I was clear)05:42
fro1it's almost 5am05:42
fro1it's my brain which is rotten05:42
NeoStriderget some sleep05:42
NeoStriderI can understand you05:42
NeoStriderbeen in that situation before...05:43
NeoStrideris that a work assignment?05:43
fro1more or les05:43
NeoStrideror a college one?05:43
fro1oh no, I wish we did this kind of stuff at college05:43
NeoStridergot chinook already?05:44
NeoStriderdial up?05:44
fro1DSL, capped at 64k05:45
NeoStriderbut what is the current download speed?05:45
NeoStrideryou're lucky05:46
fro1you bet05:46
NeoStridermine cable is 250K05:46
fro1there's NOBODY online right now05:46
NeoStriderand the fastest download I get is 30kb/s05:46
fro1but you don't have to login at night, I guess05:46
NeoStriderit took me weeks to download the gregalle stuff05:46
NeoStridersure I dont have any assignment05:48
NeoStriderand do this for my pure pleasure05:48
NeoStriderbut sometimes is frustating05:48
NeoStriderbecouse I have just a couple of hours to work on my games05:48
fro1but you live in fucking brazil, go to the beach or something :P05:49
NeoStriderits not that easy05:50
NeoStriderI have to pave my way to a good future05:50
NeoStridergoing to beach every day will just pave my way to the dumpster05:51
fro1heh, I haven't taken a day off in three years05:51
fro1and I live in front of the sea05:51
fro1yes, unfortunately05:51 not that extreme...but Im working for about a year and a half , without vacation, and I too, live in front of the sea05:52
NeoStriderI have a sailboat and a beach house...and I never go into neither05:52
NeoStrider(I would rather be in italia than Brazil...)05:52
fro1oh no05:52
fro1you wouldn't05:52
fro1pick anywhere else05:53
fro1but not italy05:53
NeoStridereven if italy is in can easily go anywhere else05:53
NeoStriderim basicly stuck with what? latin america?05:53
fro1sure, if you have the money you can go anywhere05:54
NeoStriderI like brazil...but sometimes it just sucks05:54
NeoStriderin Brazil, not even with money you can go anywhere05:54
NeoStriderthe lines in the airports ,currently, takes about 20 hours05:55
NeoStridera plane even crashed last week05:55
fro1it seems everybody just complains about what he has05:55
NeoStriderairports in Brazil are just pure chaos05:55
fro1yeah, heard about that05:55
_MonkeyNeoStrider: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.05:55
fro1freaking bots...05:55
NeoStriderhey...wanna relax playing a game?05:56
fro1ah no05:56
fro1haven't touched a game in years05:56
fro1thanks, but they're not my thing05:57
fro1I tend to lose, and when I lose I get nervous05:57
fro1(as when I can't get some damn software to build)05:57
NeoStriderhahhaha...if it worth to make you feel beter, It took me a year to figure out how to build the deb package for my game and to be able to properly test it on the 77006:00
NeoStriderwhen I finally got it running on the 770, the N800 was already out06:00
fro1I don't have a year :\06:00
NeoStriderdebian packages are just f*cking hard to create with autotools06:00
NeoStriderand also, my game is not that impressive for a you figure out what is to be working on something "useless"?06:01
NeoStriderfor about two years06:01
fro1yes I know, I've been working on a kernel for about a year06:01
NeoStriderlinux kernel hacking or custom kernel?06:02
fro1when I got it to bootstrap itself, schedule threads and allocate memory, I didn't have time anymore :\06:02
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fro1nah, games are more 'wow' :D06:03
NeoStriderI once did a non-preemptive scheduller..and that was're good!06:03
NeoStridernot really06:03
NeoStridernot mine06:03
NeoStridermobile games tend to bem more like "yawn" heheh06:03
fro1at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot screen and a prompt06:03
infobotfro1 meant: at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot splash and a prompt06:04
fro1btw, I thing I've seen your engine06:04
NeoStriderI once did a customization of knoppix06:04
fro1it's good06:04
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NeoStriderthis: ?06:04
fro1yes :)06:04
NeoStrideryeah...but its hell slow06:05
NeoStrider5 fps on a 770, for most of the time06:05
NeoStriderand its quite incosistent06:05
NeoStriderand its developement was quit slow too06:05
NeoStrider2 years of work and still nothing that worth06:05
fro1learning *is* worth the time06:06
NeoStriderbut there isnt anything that new with that06:06
NeoStridermaybe some techniques on the portal rendering06:06
fro1and that's the main reason why one would ever embrace such a big project06:06
NeoStrider(BsC thesis, by the way)06:06
fro1oh, cool06:06
NeoStriderbut the main point is: Quake2 for the N800 is waaaay faster and nicer06:07
NeoStridermaybe I learned just to be quicker on developement =-)06:07
fro1I wonder if they'd ever accept something like that as a BsC thesis here, rather than their usual boring useless crap06:07
NeoStriderbut mine is quite different too06:08
fro1NeoStrider: but carmack is carmack :P06:08
NeoStridercolleges are all the same =-P06:08
NeoStrideryeah...I hope I have a ferrari one day too06:08
NeoStriderby now I only have a Fiat Fiorino06:08
fro1I don't even have a car06:08
fro1"Installation was successful!"06:09
fro1argh, I'm afraid to login06:09
NeoStriderdo it!06:09
fro1[sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~/apt] > cat /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc | grep Version06:10
fro1Version: 2.12.1206:10
fro1!!! \o/ !!!06:10
NeoStriderbut how functional is it?06:10
fro1no idea06:10
fro1don't spoil my happiness :P06:10
NeoStriderok =-P06:11
NeoStriderbut later, try to switch to another target06:11
fro1I did06:11
NeoStriderand try building a simple hildon app on both, to test it06:11
NeoStrideryou dont like hildon?06:11
fro1took a whole night last time06:12
fro1unless the bora packages are still good here06:12
NeoStrider("why SVN suck just like CVS...that I will never know...")06:13
fro1mm, something's wrong06:14
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fro1my $HOME didn't look that way before06:14
NeoStrider$home inside SBOX, you mean?06:15
fro1[sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~] > mount06:16
fro1bash: mount: command not found06:16
fro1for the love of god06:16
NeoStrider[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/angstron] > mount06:16
NeoStriderbash: mount: command not found06:16
NeoStridernothing wrong here06:16
NeoStridermine gregalle is fully functional06:17
NeoStridergosh...Im starting to hate SVN!!!! grrrr06:18
NeoStriderI want to update my project on the garage...and it refuses to work!!!06:18
fro1tried to move or rename a file and now it bitches ?06:18
fro1heh, welcome to the group06:18
NeoStrideractually..I overwrote lots of files06:18
fro1never ever touch a file without using the svn command on each one06:18
NeoStriderI feel like stupid...06:19
fro1god hates me06:19
NeoStriderlistening to Ringo Starr isnt really helping..06:20
fro1for some unexplicable reason06:20
fro1my devkit-doctools is broken on arm, but works on X8606:20
fro1which means I'm missing a lot of packages06:20
NeoStriderit happens06:20
NeoStridermy devkit-mono is behaving very oddly06:20
fro1but I've got only 40 minutes left!!!!!06:20
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fro1god DAMN06:21
NeoStriderman...I gotta go06:21
NeoStridergood luck for you06:21
NeoStriderand thanks for your time06:21
fro1me too, another night wasted06:21
NeoStriderbye fellows06:22
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MobileSimIs it possible to get 'net access through the USB cable and a Linux server/desktop?06:51
MobileSimWith a 770, that is.06:51
* MobileSim bricked his router trying to get it out of client mode and back into AP mode, and has no cash or income at the moment to replace it.06:53
MobileSimIf it seems like a strange question, I can only say that I've done it with a Palm before, and I'm not just pulling this completely out of my ass.06:56
`0660you're not alone with that06:58
fro1there is an option for usb networking06:58
fro1but I never used it06:58
fro1and unfortunately it's 6am06:59
fro1which means my connection goes off in one minute06:59
`0660am not sure though if it's easily doable or not06:59
fro1it's on the wiki, afaik06:59
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proctohas anyone been able to get mplayer to play a file shared by a upnp server?07:26
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guardiangood morning #maemo09:47
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guardianis garage down ?09:52
guardianor is it my connection :/09:52
timelessnot just you09:52
timelessdo you really need garage?09:52
guardianmorning timeless09:52
timelessyou can use :)09:52
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guardiani wanted to give maemo cjk a try09:53
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timeless   committed-date="2007-06-08T17:55:19.762710Z"09:54
timeless   url=""09:54
timelessif you want, i can package that somewhere09:55
* timeless has a mirror of /most/ of garage09:55
timelessFilesystem             size   used  avail capacity  Mounted on09:55
timeless                       362G   8.2G   124G     7%    /export/home/svn/world-all/garage09:55
timelessit's not very tiny09:56
guardiani appreciate the offer, i guess i can wait and switch to another task09:56
guardianin the mean time09:56
* timeless ponders09:57
* timeless needs to figure out how ssh-agent and friends work09:57
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dubdibdubhello there, somebody awake??10:33
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timelessgarage was down earlier10:36
timelessi haven't bothered bugging ferenc about it10:36
* timeless tries publishing a local mirror of garage to an external server10:37
* timeless isn't really sure if there's enough space on the server10:37
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timelessdh grows its storage weekly by at least 1g10:41
* timeless is wondering how to check account quotas10:44
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pupnikwhere has the quota command gone, or am i halluciniremembering?10:49
timelessin what world?10:49
timeless[timeless@viper ~]$ quota --help10:50
timelessquota: invalid option -- -10:50
timelesstimeless@swift:~% quota --help10:50
timelessquota: illegal option -- help10:50
timelessufs usage: quota [-v] [username]10:50
pupnikok it's just not installed by default on Sidux (desktop os)10:53
JaffaMorning, all10:55
timelessos or distro?10:57
timelessswift runs open solaris community edition or something10:58
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pupnikdistro... sorry for mentioning it10:58
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ quota --help10:58
timelessquota: illegal option -- help10:58
timelessnexenta is well, nexenta10:58
pupniki used to use it to limit memory usage by firefox and X server10:58
timelessyou mean you don't like firefox using 1.9gb of vm?10:59
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timelessmy ff's like using 4gb of vm :)10:59
pupnikheh apropos10:59
keesjbut quota is for file systems not?10:59
timeless-rw-------+  1 timeless other       3.8G Feb 13 14:44 /var/crash/cores/
timelessnormally ulimit is for memory10:59
pupnikgaah yes11:00
timelessand firefox until recently hasn't been configured to use an aggressive disk cache11:00
timelessthat's going to change a bit11:00
timelessiirc the default cache size is 50mb (disk)11:00
timelessand it's going to be at least 100mb11:00
timelessbecause it turns out that's actually a win11:01
timelessFilesystem             size   used  avail capacity  Mounted on11:02
timeless                       362G   6.0G   124G     5%    /export/home/timeless11:02
timelessand disk space is cheap :)11:02
timeless(which is kinda why i don't mind keeping 4 3.8gb cores from firefox ...)11:02
* timeless ponders11:02
timelessdoes rsync not default to using useful compression?11:02
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timelessand if i don't use useful compression will it take forever for me to transfer 8gb of gar(b)age ?11:02
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pupnikdepends on many factors11:04
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pupnikunique311: morning11:11
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timelesshrm, only e^ipi let me ask his time :(11:18
timelessok, garage is finally being pushed11:19
timelessthis should be fun11:19
timelessin case someone wants some piece of garage svn11:21
timelessthere's 8gb of content being sent from swift to sanjay over an ssh tunnel or two and probably a dsl link11:21
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timelessinz: eh?11:21
pupnikgarage works reel guud for me timeless, thanks for the work11:22
timelesswfm from boffo<>11:22
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* timeless hasn't touched garage11:22
pupnikoh whoever does it11:22
timelessinz: you're really getting a 404?11:22
inztimeless, yes11:22
bilboedis maemo garage down ?11:23
timelessbilboed: it was earlier11:23
inzstill seems to be11:23
bilboedwhere can I grab the gecko browser then ? :)11:23
timelesshold on11:24
timeless will be a url for it11:24
timelessbut it hasn't synced that yet11:24
inzbilboed, it's in extras11:24
timelessinz: does give you a 404 too?11:25
inztimeless, nope11:25
inztimeless, nm. it was vte11:26
timelessvte ??11:26
inztimeless, or the regexes gnome-terminal passes to vte11:26
inztimeless, I ctrl-clicked the link, just noticed it dropped the last slash from the url11:27
inztimeless, without the last slash, it doesn't work11:27
timelessyeah, i need to work on the rewrite urls11:27
timelessthe code has some not so perfect heuristics11:27
timelessoh fsck11:28
timelessdid i mess up?11:28
timelessthat'd suck11:28
* timeless curses11:28
timelesshrm, no i don't think i did11:28
* timeless wonders why www/ hasn't been filled11:28
timelessok, www/ is being filled now11:32
timelessshould work11:32
bilboedhmm... all maemo sites seem to be sluggish to be, can't even get to
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timelessbilboed:you should be able to use the url i just pasted instead11:33
timelessit's not guaranteed to be current, otoh the person most likely to change the content there is me11:33
timelesssorry about the url length, it's a hazard of automatic things, but that's what tinyurl is for :)11:34
timelessanyway, now you guys can see what swift looks like, at least partly11:34
sciboyHmmm, if I wanted to render svg files to png is there any applications/libraries that come with 2007 that could handle that?11:35
timelessafter i've pushed garage, i'll push at least one sdk source critter11:35
timelessthe image viewer for 2007 theoretically has poor support for svg11:35
timelessso you can use the lib it uses11:35
sciboyIs there librsvg?11:36
timelessin some versions of things11:37
timeless/gdk-osso-svg-loader-0.21 in 200711:37
timeless.4 anyway11:37
timelessvery strange11:38
timelessosso-imageviewer doesn't claim to have any interesting dependencies11:38
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timelesslooks like it just uses gdk_pixbuf_loader_new mostly11:40
sciboyIs there an answer to my last question?11:40
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timelessno sign of a libsvg if that's a package11:40
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sciboyDon't forget the r11:41
timelessi only have a source index, not a binary index, so it's not practical for me to tell you if the file exists11:41
timelessi did a search for svg.*debian11:41
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timelessthe only files matching were gdk-osso-svg-loader ...11:41
* timeless frowns11:43
timelesssome of the features on sanjay are broken11:43
timelessfor an example of how searching works11:44
timelessthe hint=8 shouldn't be needed, but something's broken w/ the hinting code11:45
timelessit's probably fixed on swift, i'll see about doing a diff at some point since sanjay now has some new code i need to import11:45
floriangood morning11:46
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timelessbilboed/inz/whichever, did the browser page work well enough to get you your content?11:47
timelessi figure by next wednesday this rsync will be done :)11:49
timelessso it has about 1.5million files to send and it's sent maybe 7%?11:50
timelessanyway, feel free to browser around mxr-test, is vaguely amusing11:51
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timeless(although, i think i've fixed the biggest bug on that page internally *sigh*)11:52
timelessit's pretty bad, i'm running about 5 copies of this software11:52
timelessplus there are 2 other copies that get occasional syncs11:53
timelessand i do dev work on almost all of them11:53
timelesseach install indexes different content, so i basically fix based on which content i need11:53
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inz*grumble* why does date -d support "last friday", but not "last 12:34:56"11:54
timelesswhat in the world would tha tmean?11:54
inzThe 12:34:56 that was within the last 24 hours11:54
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inzI guess I need to compare %s's and if in the future, use yesterday11:59
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pupnikis openssh a waste of space compared to dropbear?12:11
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* dubdibdub greets you all12:14
* dubdibdub gruesst euch alle12:14
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dubdibdubHELP WITH SUSPEND..: does anybody know why echo mem > /sys/power/state only works one time?? after reanimating by pressing the power-btn a second echo mem....... does not turn off the screen..!!12:17
pupnikis there a different string you can echo to sys/power/state to re-set it?12:19
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AD-N770good morning12:23
pupnik"Super Mario War"?12:23
_Monkeysomebody said "Super Mario War" was and
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konttoriHave all of you guys had a look at the marcelos blog entry?12:35
konttoriLooks terrific12:36
gpddoes anyone have a gnumeric .deb for N800 - I can't find one12:37
pupnikaha is the guy who never updated xournal12:40
pupnikgnumeric deb only for it2005 afaict12:40
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lnx^i have a n800 tablet12:41
lnx^can i get a bluetooth headset working with skype?12:41
lnx^it doesn't seem to redirect the sound to it automatically when paired at least12:41
pupnik  lnx^12:42
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gpdpupnik: yeah, I tried installing that one - but it has arm not armel and is old12:42
konttoriI must say that canola 2 looks terrific indeed. And evas seems just perfect.12:43
konttoriI'll definately move to using them in the future. I think Nokia should too (for many apps).12:43
pupnik  gpd12:45
lnx^pupnik: thanks, so if i install bluetooth alsa i should be able to use skype with it, in addition to just listening to music with it?12:45
pupnik_Monkey: gnumeric is the gnu spreadsheet
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.12:45
pupniklnx^: haven't tried it12:46
_guardianplease, how to make sure that the text i draw using pango will fit a bounding rectangle ?12:49
lnx^do you happen to know if nokia might be adding native support for it anytime soon? would be nice to be able to use a wireless headset instead of the one with wire12:49
dubdibdubhow does that "something"? work??12:52
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gpdpupnik: :( it seems that gnumeric has many dependencies and that the repository is mistral13:03
gpdoh well -- i see reports that it is really heavy anyway13:03
gpdseems a shame since things like tinysheet on PalmOS were handy13:03
pupnikif you add that site to your repositories it should load dependencies automatically13:04
* gpd remembers the days of lotus123 on single floppy13:04
pupniki don't see the exact line to add to sources.list though13:04
gpdpupnik: yeah - but i don't really want a mistral repo in my sources.list13:04
* gpd adjusts tin foil hat13:05
pupnikask the author to do an update13:05
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gpdits a shame that the src debs are not published by default13:05
pupniki don't have a good sources.list for 2006 handy13:05
pupnikdo you have a fairly good one with yummy extras you could post to or /msg me?13:06
gpdi only have 2007 sources :(13:06
pupnikn800? or 2007he?13:06
gpdn800 with latest firmware13:06
pupnikok nm.  yeah tell that guy to make a bora sdk and do a new build13:07
pupnikporters need feedback13:07
pupnikotherwise it feels like you make something, and nobody uses it or cares13:07
pupnikand then you drop maintenance13:07
gpdI should install my scratchbox again...13:07
gpdnot sure who to email as it is INdT brazil with no emial on top page13:08
gpdOk. I sent a message :D13:11
* gpd has a strange thought... synergy for maemo...13:14
pupniksynergy works great!13:14
pupnikgoogle keesj+synergy13:14
gpdwow - just found an old irc log with pupnik <3 synergy!13:15
gpdseems to be gone:
gpdpupnik: don't suppose the mouse works?13:17
pupnikhmm :(13:17
* gpd worries about the lack of coordination of packages13:18
Veggenmmh, maemo contributions *should* be more structured, yes. And source packages! We need thar.13:19
pupniki know, we're not doing a good job13:19
gpdhow is MUD doing these days?13:21
pupnik_Monkey: synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.13:21
_Monkeysomebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet
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pupniki have to learn to use mud still13:26
* gpd frantically tries to remember how to use synergy...13:26
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gpdpupnik: I have synergys --daemon on my tablet with a config file - and synergyc tablet on my desktop --13:28
gpdwhen the mouse goes offscreen to the right (per config_) should I be able to type on the tablet?13:29
pupniki put the server on my main desktop and clients on laptop, tablet and 2nd pc13:29
gpdah synergy connection refused... curious13:29
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Jaffagpd: going slowly, keesj is still working on bits but I've not had much time recently at all13:30
gpdJaffa: yeah - I know the feeling of too much work not enough play!13:31
pupnikJaffa: is there a better place to download synergy?13:31
gpdSynergy 1.3.1: NOTE: CClientProxy1_0.cpp,206: client "Nokia-N800-26" has disconnected :(13:32
gpdpupnik: ?13:33
pupniki need to set up multiple OS's on the 770, for backups and testing13:34
pupnikdo NOT enjoy going through new setup :|  (xterm, ssh, becomeroot, installing tools, removing unneeded media and themes, setting up wlan etc etc etc etc)13:35
gpdyeah - that is another area that needs improvement13:35
gpdbah - synergy isn't working for me, needs more time than i have13:36
gpdpupnik: did you get the mouse owrking or was it just keyboard?13:37
gpdsince the N800 doesn't really have a 'mouse'... ?13:37
pupnikto see the mouse you need to enable the mouse cursor13:37
gpdis that scriptfoo magick?13:37
pupniki don't remember how to do it.  the tablet has an invisible mouse cursor bitmap and you have to relink or copy over that13:38
gpdbah - forgetaboutit... /me runs away13:38
pupnikthis should probably be in a postinst script in the deb13:38
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gpdanyone got thoughts on the Nokia 6288?14:02
jsmanriqueI have a 628014:03
jsmanriqueI would prefer an e65 ;-)14:03
gpdI am looking at pay as you go and choices are limited:14:04
jsmanriqueit is not a bad phone14:04
gpdwork ok with N800 DUN?14:05
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pupnikArbeiten!  <CRACK!>  Arbeiten!14:35
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jsmanriquegpd: no idea, I don't have a n800 but a 77014:51
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inzfsck, someone had hacked my gateway/server15:45
cosmohow did you notice?15:45
inzcosmo, couldn't log in as root anymore ;)15:46
cosmoyou should use sudo anyway ;)15:47
inzcosmo, then I would not have noticed15:47
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pupnikIn Maemo/ITOS can i resize a window to take up only a portion of the screen?16:21
pupnikfor a simple xlib app16:21
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pupniksetting smaller width with geometry setting does not work.  Kdrive seems to force the window width16:22
pupnikor Xomap, whatever the X server should be called16:22
Okkohi, anyone else noticed that when scrolling down in the moz browser the keyboard appears?16:23
konttoriHas everybody read this article on Steve Jobs' button attitude?
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konttoriOkko: Yeah, the current browser build is not very good one. Nice of nokia to publish alpha build though16:25
konttoriI hope they'll release another alpha build soon16:25
konttorione that works better than this one.16:26
Okkokonttori: yes, it was nice. Just wanted to make sure that it's not some rare bug/feature I've encoutered. :)16:26
tigertthe funniest bug I found is when you edit a passwd field, from then on, all text typed in fields with the thumb keyboard, will be passwords (turns to asterisks :))16:26
tigertwill need to file that one16:27
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inzpupnik, can you set window type hint?16:30
pupnik  << a vkbd - not compiling for me yet16:30
pupnik << another vkbd - not compiling for me yet16:31
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pupnikinz, dunno.  at this point i'd be happy to just resize the height (ITOS seems to accept this via the -geometry flag on xkbd)16:32
pupnik... to get the vkbd out of the way (only obscuring 8-10 pixels at the bottom)16:32
pupnik  << vkbd that compiles out of the box and runs on top of fullscreen windows16:33
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proctopupnik: is acmonitor supposed to modify the values available in the Display Options window?16:43
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pupnikno procto, that's not included16:45
proctooh, ok16:45
proctonetwork keepalive should help with airdumping :>16:45
pupnikthere's how to increase screen blank timeouts16:45
proctopupnik: ah, cool, thanks bunches16:46
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pupnikis there a way to measure current battery consumption or OMAP system power drain?16:55
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pupnikhi unique31116:56
_Monkeyniihau, unique31116:58
pupnikit looks like the 0.97 version of maryo is much less developed than the latest (gameplay, graphics)17:00
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bilboedso am I right in believing that with the latest firmware, I can put 4gb/8gb sd cards in the n800 ?17:01
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unique311is it playable pupnik17:01
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pupniki haven't touched it yet17:02
whaq_bilboed: yes, check the forum also for a modified kernel that seems (so far) to fix the sd-corruption bug.17:03
unique311if it compiles and is playable....developing graphics and gameplay can be dealt with by people who are interested in making some magic happen17:03
unique311might end up messing with it today...gotta get scratchbox going.17:04
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timelesskontorri: what's wrong w/ the browser?17:06
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pupnikHaaahaha Bochs-Gp2x: "Win95 boots in about 6:30 minutes, which is not really bad"17:08
unique311on the 770 how long?17:09
pupnikdon't know17:13
pupnikit's a joke man, try windows on a 8 mhz pc-at17:13
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unique311scratchbox only plays nice on ubuntu17:14
timelessit doesn't work on debian?17:14
unique311k, debian it is..17:15
unique311how's wifi setup in debian...17:15
unique311do i have to manually get that up..17:15
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unique311having a horrible time with gutsy wifi setup17:15
unique311and gutsy freezes to the point of having to reboot..not sure thats the type of environment i want to run scratchbox in17:16
pupnik  is my favorite deb distro17:17
unique311your fav, might be someone's nightmare17:17
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pupnikit's like ubuntu but without the fail :)17:19
pupnikor kubuntu rather17:19
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tweghi, I'm porting an app to the N800, but can't get its icon to appear in the taskbar17:30
tweg(the icon shows up fine in the menu and in the package list)17:30
twegWhat do I need to do to get it to show up?17:30
tweg(this is a Python app btw)17:34
inztweg, your programs WMclass needs to match the Exec-line (after last slash) or you need to specify the WMclass in the .desktop file17:34
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twegwhat do you mean by WMclass?17:34
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inztweg, the WM_CLASS property17:36
twega gtk property?17:37
inztweg, no, an X11/Xlib/whatever property17:37
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twegI'm not sure what you mean exactly. Would it help to paste the relevant portions of my .desktop file17:38
inztweg, might, probably doesn't though17:38
twegso is the taskbar icon specified by the .desktop file or set via gtk?17:40
inzit's specified by the .desktop file17:40
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inztweg, the Exec-line of your .desktop might tell something17:41
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twegrelevant parts:17:41
inzI asked for the Exec-line...17:43
inzOh, well.17:43
twegI gave you the Exec line17:43
inzAnd much more ;)17:43
inzWell, that shouldn't be a prob, are you using Gtk?17:44
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inzAnd the exaile-binary isn't a script that just runs another program?17:45
twegyes it is a script17:45
twegshell script17:45
inzThat's most likely your problem17:46
inzYou should then add line: "StartupWMClass=<the_name_of_the_real_program>"17:46
inzto the .desktop17:46
twegjust the basename (i.e. no directory part)?17:47
twegta, I'll give it a try17:47
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NeoStriderhello folks17:50
twegcheers inz, that did the trick. Thanks for your help. :-)17:52
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NeoStriderthe garage is dead?17:55
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tweganother (possibly related) question18:01
twegthe title bar text appears as " - Exaile Music Player"18:01
twegeven though I have set the title to "Exaile Music Player"18:02
NeoStriderexaile for maemo?18:02
twegHow do I prevent the " - " part showing up?18:02
twegNeoStrider: yep, it's working, not all the features work properly at this stage tho18:03
tweggood enough for playing playlists tho18:03
NeoStriderworks with 770?18:03
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twegI don't think so; afaik the gstreamer sink interface has changed since then18:04
twegwouldn't be too hard to make it work with that18:04
NeoStriderall the cool stuff is for the N800 =-(18:04
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NeoStriderI will make my game 770 exclusive! =-P18:05
twegwell if I had access to a 770 I would fix it for that18:05
twegI can put it on my todo list if you are willing to alpha test it :-)18:05
NeoStridercount on me18:05
unique311NeoStrider, super mario war by pupnik18:05
pupnik"super mario war"?18:06
NeoStridershow me that, unique311!18:06
_Monkeyrumour has it "super mario war" is and
unique311pretty cool..18:06
unique311runs on my N80018:06
pupniki wrote the authors a nice compliment on their portability18:06
unique311770 not sure it will run18:06
NeoStrideri will test it18:07
unique311btton map work...fullscreen18:07
pupnikNeoStrider: if you make improvements please let me know18:07
NeoStriderwhere is the source? =-)18:07
unique311do smc18:07
twegis python-sqlite available for 770?18:08
unique311super mario chronicles.18:08
NeoStriderpupnik, it needs python?18:08
pupniki don't know, i just ran ./configure && make18:09
unique311no python18:09
NeoStriderbut I will test it18:09
NeoStriderand try to hack it =-)18:10
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unique311hercules, hercules18:10
unique311best way to discard cd's that you think harbour valuable info...18:10
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NeoStridercopying the game to the 770...18:24
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NeoStriderpupnik, how do you do a "data" package?18:25
NeoStriderooops...incompatible package18:25
pupnikwhat version it2006?18:25
unique311i had to dpkg -i to get it installed18:26
NeoStrideri will build it for it200618:26
NeoStrideri will try this ,then18:26
pupniki built under gregale :/18:26
NeoStriderare you root on the device?18:28
NeoStriderwhats the root password for gregalle?18:29
NeoStriderdidnt worked18:30
NeoStriderhow did you installled it?18:31
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unique311sudo gainroot18:32
unique311and the dpkg -i .deb18:32
unique311and the dpkg -i *.deb18:33
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pupniki'd love to see a sdl remake of 'Joust'18:36
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NeoStriderpupnik, it gave me a funny message18:43
NeoStridercal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found?18:43
NeoStriderEnable RD mode if you want to break your device18:43
NeoStriderwhats that?18:43
unique311red pill mode18:44
unique311show's packages that cannot be seen in blue pill mode18:44
NeoStriderwow...I only knew it from graphical instructions18:44
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NeoStriderok...but how to proceed now?18:44
unique311application manager18:44
_Monkeysomebody said application manager was a lot safer than alternatives18:44
NeoStriderim still a $18:45
NeoStriderhow to become #?18:45
unique311i will show you..18:45
unique311you need to install becomeroot18:45
pupnikthis game is hilarious18:45
unique311application manager18:45
_Monkeyi guess application manager is a lot safer than alternatives18:45
NeoStriderwill need wifi?18:45
NeoStriderI dont have connectivity right now18:45
NeoStriderwhy you cant install it the common way?18:46
NeoStriderdouble tapping it?18:46
NeoStrider(how to disable the red pill mode?)18:46
unique311hey maybe you can extract the contents of the deb file18:46
unique311and manually place them in location18:47
unique311not sure red pill mode is enable for you..18:47
NeoStrideror just run it =-)18:47
NeoStriderhow to extract it?18:47
unique311in ubuntu...right click on the package and extract all18:47
unique311in windows you need 7zip.18:48
unique311maybe unrar will work..18:48 you mean using a desktop18:48 on ubuntu right now18:48
unique311right click on the deb pack18:48
unique311and extract all18:48
NeoStriderhow the game expect to see the data? where?18:49
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unique311extract data18:49
unique311NeoStrider, you are trying to install smw, correct?18:49
NeoStridergot all the data dirs18:50
unique311now send them to you device18:50
NeoStrideryeah..doing it right now18:51
NeoStriderI've got everything18:51
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unique311might need to chmod +x smw when you transfer it to the device18:52
pupnikdata goes in /usr/share/smw18:53
NeoStridercan i just put everything on a directory and run from there?18:54
NeoStrideror the game looks for everything on /usr/share/smw?18:54
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unique311not sure..18:55
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unique311should be able to..18:55
NeoStridergonna try18:55
unique311but then you have to run the game from command line like so. usr/share/smw/smw18:56
NeoStriderhow did you built the package?18:56
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pupnikdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b18:57
NeoStriderbut then, how did it dont install under gregalle?18:57
NeoStrideryou used the stock autoconf files or created new ones for the maemo port?18:57
pupnikall stock.  i just made some changes now18:58
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NeoStriderit must be it18:58
NeoStriderwhy dont you try using maemowizard , to make a quick package?18:58
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pupnikbecause i would have to type in every single object file into maemowizard19:00
NeoStriderjust do a "ls", copy and paste it ;-)19:00
NeoStrider"ERROR: Empty map directory!"19:01
pupnikthank you for the feedback though NeoStrider19:01
pupniki will set up the menu19:01
pupniksection has to be user/other and not 'games' i think19:01
NeoStrideri will try to build a package with the maemowizard19:01
unique311i got that19:01
unique311the empty map directory19:02
unique311did you do the same for the data.deb pack19:02
NeoStrideri gtg now19:02
NeoStrideryeah...all under ~/MyDocs/.documents/19:02
NeoStriderthanks guys19:02
NeoStridersee you all later19:02
unique311belong in usr/share19:02
NeoStrideryeah...but I cant write on there19:02
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unique311so i'm the only one with a working version of smw19:03
unique311not fun...19:03
unique311maybe i should put out a video...get interest going.19:03
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pupniktesting with app manager on a clean 2.2 / it2006 install19:09
pupnik"incompatible package" :)19:10
pupnikahh i need to update the data files too duh19:11
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pupnikwho remembers how to get a deb package to prompt where to install data files...19:15
MikhoI'd like to know how to get my program know where the deb package threw the data files in the end19:17
pupnikhaahaha they made the bin depend on the data and the data depend on the bin19:17
MikhoI don't like hardcoding strings like /usr/share/myapp/19:17
pupnikyes Mikho the /usr/share things can sometimes go to mmc19:18
pupnik/media/mmc1  or mmc219:18
pupnikthe storage cards19:18
pupniklooki in debian/install to see where the package puts files19:19
Mikhoyes, but I'd like to know what kind of code should I write in the .cpp files19:19
pupnikyou can define target directories with autotools / automake/autoconf19:20
pupnikthese get passed to your program in the make step19:20
pupnikbut you want to do this at runtime... yesss19:21
pupnikme too :)19:21
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Presence_hey guys, who has gotten kicked in the nuts with the nokia/ crap?19:30
jjazzPresence_: what are you referring to?19:30
Presence_the 770 failes (within 30 days of receipt...12 days in my case). wont let you return it, nokia says isnt an authorized reseller and wont honor the warranty19:31
Mikhoyes, it seems there's no easy way to figure out run-time where the data files went19:31
MikhoI wonder how the real programmers do it19:32
jjazzPresence_: Ah.  That is a problem.19:32
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Presence_jjaz: yeah, its pissing me off19:32
jjazzPresence_: There might be consumer protection laws that apply.19:33
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pupnikPresence_: the laws vary from state to state19:35
jjazzI'd like to restart the x server on my N800.  Anybody know what process I need to kill?19:35
pupniki think a DOA case is 10 days, after 10 days it's a RMA, which goes back to mfgr19:35
Presence_yeah, which puts me in a shitty spot19:36
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zuhjjazz: Xomap would be the server, but killing that will give you reboot anyway so might as well just reboot directly...19:46
pupnikwhen you flash a new ITOS, how many applications can you install from Application manager?19:46
pupnikany guesses?19:46
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pupnikThe answer is 3.  You can install 3 applications with the default repositories.  maemoblocks, maemopad and mediastreamer.19:47
Shurikam I missing a trivia night at #maemo?19:47
jjazzzuh: Yeah, I discovered that one the hard way. :P  Interestingly, X was not responding well to taps while I had vnc serve running.  Then the server was likewise not responding.  But it answered ssh, so the device wasn't down.19:47
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pupnikcan you imagine a non-techy person seeing this?  :)  they'd go "there's no software for it!" and give it to their nephew for christmas. :P19:49
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Mikhohow did you find out how many programs can you install?19:50
pupniki clicked on update in the application manager19:50
pupnikthen i clicked on 'install new applications'19:50
pupnikand that was the list :)19:51
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MikhoI wonder if you can install even those, since the mistral repos seem to be broken19:51
Mikhothe catalogue files apt-get and others get seem to be alright, but the actual .deb packages aren't where they're supposed to be19:52
Mikhoand, application manager just says "unable to install"19:54
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_guardiani know nothing about cairo19:57
pupnikoh well, it's all free!19:57
_guardianis it integrated with gtk now ?19:57
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dragornin the real world, yes19:59
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dragornin maemo, looks like they're still backleveled on gtk to the point where it is not19:59
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dragorn(or so a quick ls of usr/lib/ would seem to imply)19:59
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_guardiani have /usr/lib/ on the device though20:00
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dragornI don't, on a clean flash, so i suspect that came from a package you installed?20:01
_guardianah maybe20:01
_guardiandid not think about that20:01
dragornit's possible I missed it, too20:02
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gpdas a bluetooth->phone newbie - should I expect to be able to connect N800 to phone and transfer files?20:37
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milhousegpd - yes20:40
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milhousegpd - via file manager on the n800, you should be able to transfer files over BT as standard20:41
Shurik_but it is painfully slow20:41
gpdmilhouse: fab - thanks20:41
gpdI was looking at dataplans for UK but all seem crazy20:42
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milhousei guess that depends on the phone but yes, not lightning fast - BT 2.0 phones will only manage 250K bytes/second at most (BT 1.0 a lot less)20:42
milhouseT-Mobile and 3 have the best20:42
milhouse3 certainly have the best offering as long as you don't mind breaking their Ts&Cs20:43
gpdwell i ended up with vodafone and a payg phone - so i'm probably screwed20:43
milhouse£5/month, 1GB capped - no modem use allowed (but they don't seem to care)20:43
gpdbut i decided it was going to be so expensive i didn't care20:43
gpdthat is on a 20/mo plan or something though :(20:44
milhouseyeah, it's in addition to a voice plan - I don't think anyone offers data only20:44
milhousewhat are your PAYG costs on voda?20:45
gpdI just want to be able to grab a few megabytes from my N800 through my phone occasionally20:45
gpd30p/min for first 3min and then 10p/min20:45
milhousesuppose it will work out cheaper as long as you keep your usage quite low20:45
gpdmy uszge iz zero20:46
milhousevery cheap then :)20:46
gpdaye :D20:46
milhousebut you say per minute.... that's odd20:46
gpdthat was voice20:46
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milhousehow does that work for data - i guess an always on connection (like GPRS) is out of the question20:46
gpdno sign of data on PAYG :(20:47
milhousewhat about data costs?20:47
milhouseah, ok20:47
gpdI just gave up on it20:47
gpdi can hop onto a wifi access point if i am desperate: cloud etc20:47
pupniki can't believe they broke the mistral repos at maemo.org20:49
pupnikwhat's the news on that?20:49
pupnikno more osso-xterm for me?20:49
milhousethese guys need to get syndicated on planet...
milhouseeither maemoapps or the app author20:50
pupnikoh just s/mistral/gregale i get it20:52
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bergiemilhouse: I can add that... does he have maemo-only feed?20:53
milhousei've no idea, sorry - just found it on the intomobile site20:53
milhousei'm not sure if the authors site is a blog or not - can't see any obvious tags20:54
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bergiethis *could* be good enough:
milhousebut maemoapps seems to be tagged.20:54
bergieok... maybe I better run this through Ferenc :-)20:56
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bergieoh well, just adding...20:57
justindnbHello! I'm receiving the following error ( when attempting to do a fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade20:57 is a "professional" blogging site, i don't know if there are any issues there.20:58
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bergiethat maemoapps feedburner feed seems to have issues20:59
bergieah, got it working... feedburner is slow so the aggregator was timing out the fetch21:00
milhousecool :)21:00
milhousei can see them on planet maemo now - nice!  :)21:01
bergiehis HTML is totally broken though21:01
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* bergie wonders if the planet should start running feeds through HTML Tidy :-)21:01
milhouseyeah, the planet entries seem to have odd links at the bottom21:01
milhouseand the formatting is a little odd21:02
bergiethat is quite normal feedburner I think, but formatting sucks... lots of <p>s21:02
bergieend of sentence</p> <p></p> <p>start of sentence etc21:02
milhouseoh well... as long as it doesn't break the planet :)21:03
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bergiemilhouse: yep. I'll think of the Tidy stuff, though. I'm doing some RSS import things anyway21:04
milhousewe might have a problem though21:05
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milhouseI first viewed in Firefox - no problem (but then I don't have the javascript console enabled)21:05
milhousethen i tested in ie 7.0 and planet maemo is not throwing up an error dialog21:05
milhousenot sure if it's related to the new feed or not21:05
bergieprobably is21:05
milhouseline 137, char 14 - expected identifier21:06
bergienow that I look at it in detail the HTML is really odd21:08
milhouseit's worth running code through firefox with the javascript console and strict javascript enabled... there are js errors in maemo such as this:21:09
bergietoo bad, his content looks quite useful21:09
milhouseif (result = !!(iterator || Prototype.K)(value, index))21:09
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milhouseunless the code is really assigning a value to result...21:10
milhouseprototype.js is full of these errors... when i last used that library we fixed them all21:11
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bergiewe're switching to jQuery everywhere, actually21:12
milhousek... but as a rule the firefox js error console is incredibly informative :)21:13
cbx33is canola worth installing|21:13
milhouseit was always my goal to have zero warnings :)21:13
milhouse(and zero errors, too!)21:13
cbx33it looks interesting21:14
milhousebergie - out of interest, why are you switching to jquery? what advantages does it have over prototype?21:14
pupnikaha smw needs more RAM21:15
lsobralcbx33, of course it is worth installing canola!21:16
lsobralI enjoy using canola very much, despite the fact that I am a developer of it :P21:16
bergiemilhouse: speed, some clarity...
cbx33lsobral, ahhh biased biased :p21:17
milhousebergie - thanks, i'll take a look21:17
cbx33lsobral, i have an n800 will i encounter the vsync errors?21:17
cbx33does it play.....ANYTHING?21:17
cbx33like mplayer21:17
lsobralcbx33, in the N800 we still have the tearing problem (vsync), but it happens for all apps so this is no show stopper21:18
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cbx33i've never seen it21:19
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cbx33what are file formats like supporting wise21:19
_Monkeyniihau, Milandor21:19
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lsobralcanola uses the same underlying media-engine of the default video player, but you can also add mplayer as a backend for canola21:19
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lsobralcbx33, the tearing appears more with horizontal scrolling, in animation effects21:20
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lsobralcbx33, you can look at gconf (better with the gconf-editor) in the app/osso-media-server the supported formats for the media engine21:22
cbx33I'm liking canola21:23
cbx33is it just for tablets?21:23
cbx33looks like it'd be a nice platform for media on a pc too21:23
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lsobralcbx33, I am using it right now on my desktop :)21:25
lsobralbut for now it is only release for maemo tablets21:25
cbx33and it's not OSS21:26
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cbx33is it planned to be?21:26
lsobralit will be OSS, but for legal delays, the code is not open yet21:26
cbx33the whole thing will be OSS?21:27
cbx33how long do you think it'll take?21:27
cbx33maybe I'll give it a shot21:27
cbx33you've impressed me so far21:27
lsobralnow that we are moving the UI to evas/edje it will be much easier to run canola in a variety of platforms because the UI will be scalable21:28
cbx33the only thing that annoys me with my n800 is that last time I connected it to a PC, I lost all the data on my memo card21:28
cbx33lsobral, awesome21:28
cbx33when is the next release due out?21:28
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lsobralit will take a bit of time because we are in the middle of heavy changes for better, take a look at:
cbx33any one else experienced that problem?21:29
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cbx33with the media card getting corrupted21:29
cbx33when connecting to a pc21:30
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||cwcbx33: did you "eject" it or just unplug21:30
cbx33i did eject it21:30
cbx33that time it was fine21:30
cbx33but i had an instance yesterday21:31
cbx33I was saving a 10Mb file from the Web onto the mmc2 card21:31
cbx33and it just"lost" the card21:31
cbx33I had to reboot for it to find it again21:31
lsobralcbx33, there is a bug in maemo bugzilla with other people that had the problem of having their mmc corrupted21:31
cbx33i know it21:31
cbx33i can't wait till they fix it21:31
cbx33it's the bain of my n800 at the mo21:31
cbx33I'm scared to ever connect it to a pc again21:31
lsobralcbx33, give canola a try and give us your feedback! :)21:32
cbx33lsobral, how big is the download?21:32
lsobralaround 5MB21:32
cbx33i'll give it a go21:32
cbx33problem is I don't have any audio21:32
cbx33cos I'm scared of connecting it to the pc as i don't want to lose everything again21:33
cbx33it sucks21:34
cbx33the only thing I don't like about my n80021:35
gpd[offtopic (again): any suggestions for free ringtone sites that are not a scam?]21:35
gpdI just want a classic oldskool 'ring-ring'21:36
gpdthe sort of thing this would make:
pupnikwhat is a ringtone format?  .au, wav, mid, mod?21:37
gpdsome are mp321:37
cbx33mine is21:37
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gpdI've never given a crap before - but I know that the ringtone world is filth incarnate21:37
pupnikwhy do people pay for them?21:38
cbx33no idea21:38
rshorttI can't wait til my 6275i cable arrives... hello custom mp3 ringtones21:38
pupnikare phones drm-locked for playback of ringtones?21:38
pupnikstuff like that makes me feel like i live on another planet from these people21:39
pupnikbtw Super Mario Wars did need more than 64MB ram - it runs with swap enabled21:40
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pupnikgreat game... horrible dpad21:55
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pupnik_Monkey: forget "Super Mario War"22:01
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot "super mario war"22:01
pupnik_Monkey: "Super Mario War" is a player-vs-player platform game with a mario theme. Packages for 770 (and N800) are at . Works in Progress, but playable!22:03
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.22:03
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Disconnectis garage down or is it just sucking to be me today?22:12
milhousedisconnect - garage does look like it might be down here (UK)22:14 ain't responding22:14
Presence_if you havent had your device fail within 3 weeks and didnt buy your device from you haventbeen sucking22:14
pupnikthat does suck.  except for not having paid much for it22:14
Presence_$140 is $140 :(22:15
Presence_plus I bought a 2g MMC for it, which is useless for anything else22:15
milhousePresence - I presume Nokia are repairing it?22:16
pupnikheh 7 months ago i spent $40022:16
pupnikor 822:16
milhouseCould have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January22:16
milhouses/January/January 2007/22:17
infobotmilhouse meant: Could have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January 200722:17
Presence_milhouse: nope.  They said that isnt an authorized retailer and they refuse to honor the warranty22:17
milhousethat's just bollox22:17
Presence_milhouse: but then I wouldnt have to pay for repair22:17
Presence_mil: I agree.22:18
Presence_Im totally pissed about it22:18
milhousedon't you have some sort of trading standards ?22:18
Presence_apparently you can circumvent them with a simple paragraph22:18
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pupnikwhich is why they're cheap22:18
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pupnikpurchasers don't bear the cost of those repairs/RMAs22:19
milhousein the uk, Trading Standards are a government organisation that prevent vendors and manufacturers from getting away with this crap22:19
milhouselet me guess - has your 770 failed with the WSOD, a known design flaw?22:19
milhouseWSOD == White Screen of Death22:19
pupnikand prices are 2-3 times higher as a result of that, and other policies22:19
Presence_milhouse: from what nokia said, this may be why buy has them cheap...they are international versions they couldnt dump22:19
milhouse_everyone_ has them cheap right now22:19
Presence_yes, a white screen with grey verticle bars22:19
milhousenot just buy.com22:20
pupnikin germany they are twice as expensive22:20
milhousePresence - yes, you have in your hands a fault entirely due to Nokia design22:20
Presence_the device doesnt even display the nokia logo22:20
milhouseI'd go back to Nokia and pursue the design flaw angle22:20
milhouseIt seems that have the bad batch :( in the UK several vendors are selling 770s cheap22:21
Presence_I have been kicking them both in the ass22:21
milhouseand i'm sure many of them are legit (Amazon, expansys)22:21
Presence_but I dont think it will go anywhere22:21
Presence_Im going to lambaste them both if I dont get resolution22:21
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milhouseI feel for you mate, I'd be livid (particularly with Nokia - it's their fault, they should repair it)22:22
Presence_they are stating that I have an invalid serial number (WLAN ID) so they may do nothing22:25
Presence_I plugged in the device, and an hour later, it wouldnt boot anymore22:25
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milhousehow do you mean invalid WLAN id? invalid in the sense the device was meant for sale abroad?22:26
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zyxulnagawhat's the max write speed you can get in those minisd cards in the n800?22:28
zyxulnagaI am doing some packet capture and it's only grabbing 20% of the traffic22:28
zyxulnagaeither the wireless driver can't handle the packets or the write speed in the mmc is slow22:29
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Presence_its invalid as they cant track it and dont know if its a legit device22:29
Presence_its fine for wifi, cause thats how I used it22:29
milhousehmm... why would anyone fake a WLAN MAC address?22:30
milhousecan you type it here?22:30
timtimredlol, dont you have any consumer rights wherever you are?22:30
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Presence_the WLAN ID is what they use for a serial number22:30
Presence_they say its not a valid serial #22:31
milhouseok, first 6 digits?22:31
milhousenot going to be much use to anyone if it's invalid... :)22:31
Presence_if I was home I would tell you22:31
Presence_it was 00:16 something22:31
milhousemine is 00:19...22:31
Presence_but its not an invalid WLAN ID, its an invalid serial22:31
milhousealthogh 00:16 is assigned to Nokia also22:32
milhouseyes, i know...22:32
Presence_this is one way nokia dumps the devices without the repair responsibility22:33
milhouseboth my n800s have wlan macs starting with 00:19:4F:9E22:34
milhouseare you sure you read it correctly? :)22:34
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milhouseif you go to this page it won't accept a mac starting 0016 (I just changed my 0019... to 0016...)22:36
zakxHWaddr 00:19:4F:9E:22:36
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Presence_I might have remembered wrong, but I dont think so22:36
milhousewill be interesting to see if that page accepts your WLAN MAC... if not, somehow your label is wrong or faked. does ifconfig (as root) tally with the label/sticker?22:36
Presence_when I go to the support page it says invalid serial22:37
milhouseif the page _does_ accept your WLAN MAC, then you have one part of Nokia validating your MAC (the software download page) and another part which doesn't validate it22:37
milhouseat least they're consistent then...22:37
Presence_hold on22:37
Presence_Ill put it from my wap mac filter list22:37
Presence_I have Remote access to that through an ssh tunnel22:38
Presence_so I remembered wrong22:38
Presence_thats the full mac22:38
milhouseyep, duff mac22:39
milhouseaccording to the software download page22:39
milhousehow strange is that?22:39
Presence_but this is a 77022:39
Presence_does the 800 support page care?22:39
milhouseah...sheettt... good point :)22:40
Presence_the device mac DOES actually exist on the wifi adapter...and it does work22:40
milhouseand still duff on the 770 page22:40
Presence_its not wrong or faked...its just the responsibility fiasco22:40
Presence_its invalid because they know that has the device with that serial Im sure22:41
milhousemy 770 (from Nov 2005) is 00:14:A7:FA22:41
Presence_and they are an "unauthorized" I can understand that if its a "clone" that would matter, but I dont think thats the problem22:41
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zyxulnagaI wonder why nokia is not doing anything about fixing monitor mode in their wireless drivers22:42
milhousei don't think this has anything to do with how has you 770 got a duff WLAN MAC address? Wherever you bought it from, legit or not, you have a device for which it is impossible to download software for starters22:42
milhouseeven if you bought that device from nokia themselves, your mac address is wrong according to the 770 software download page... how did that happen?22:43
Presence_I already downloaded updates22:43
milhousemakes me wonder if this is an internal cockup within nokia22:43
Presence_I installed the most recent version of the firmware22:43
milhousewhen i entered your 770 MAC address into the 770 download page it said "Product ID not valid"22:44
Presence_they just now or recently removed it to screw me :(22:44
Presence_cause it worked 2 weeks ago22:44
milhousehmm... i suppose that's a possibility22:44
milhousethey've zapped all the addresses... maybe22:44
milhousebut that just sounds crazy22:45
Presence_when I requested support they actually have a clause that says "contact if you have problems with your device, we will not honor the warranty"22:45
Presence_support has told me to send it in, but they dont know its from yet22:45
milhousei don't know the legal ins and outs, but that sounds shakey22:46
Presence_they require a proof of purchase when I ship it back22:46
milhousewhen i sent my n800 in for repair, i didn't have to provide proof of purchase22:46
milhouse(not the same i know, but nokia uk didn't ask me where i bought it)22:46
milhouseand i don't recall sending them my mac address either22:46
Presence_thats cause you guys have better buyer protection laws22:47
milhousebefore they agreed to pick it up22:47
milhousepossibly but i thought in the us the consumer was king? :)22:47
Disconnectlots of vendors sell off dodgy gear to places where it isn't supposed to reenter the retail chain - generally it gets broken for parts or sold 'as-is'. recording serial numbers (or changing them) is a good way to ensure that they don't have to support something they already decided was bad..22:47
Disconnect (i had an ibm drive a few years back that was sent to china to be broken for parts, instead it ended up at fry's.. they replaced it for me cuz they wanted to track down how it got back into the country)22:47
milhouse(you are in the US, right?)22:47
milhousedisconnect - this could look very bad for nokia if sell a ton of 770s, and nokia refuse any support, even blocking a user from downloading essential firmware22:48
Disconnectmaybe. or whichever vendor in the chain acted against their agreement might have to replace a ton of units, which would work great for nokia22:48
milhouseand also, it seems that are offloading devices which still suffer from the WSoD... not sure I've seen a Woot! user with a WSoD yet, only buyers22:48
V-I-Plies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut kann lasik das gut behandeln22:49
V-I-Pooops wrong window22:49
milhouseV-I-P - you've peaked my interest so...22:49
milhouse_monkey translate from de lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut kann lasik das gut behandeln22:49
_Monkeymilhouse: read times the things over eye laser treatment, loud can lasik that well treat22:49
milhousei've considered lasik... but i've got dual astygmatism (apparently) so can't have it. :(22:50
V-I-Pits german by the way22:50
infobotmilhouse meant: jah22:50
V-I-Pdid you use babelfish ?22:51
sp3000piqued, dammit :|22:51
milhouseno i asked _monkey to translate22:51
* sp3000 is being randomly annoying22:51
milhousesp3000 - thanks for the correction, how embarassing! :)22:51
milhousePresence - according to this page,, 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB isn't even assigned to Nokia...22:52
milhousethat's actually a Nintendo MAC... Wii by any chance?22:53
milhouseor a DS..22:53
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Presence_you are right22:55
Presence_thats the wii I just installed22:55
Presence_for my kids22:55
milhouseyeah yeah, "for the kids" - ok ;)22:55
Presence_sorry guys, working and talking :)22:55
Presence_thats it22:56
Presence_so I did remember 00:16 correct22:56
milhouseyep, that's accepted as valid by the 770 download page22:57
milhouseand it's a Nokia MAC22:57
Presence_sorry, engineering a network solution and doing this at the same time :)22:57
milhousedunno what else to suggest really... but i wish you the best of luck22:58
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Presence_heh, thanks :)23:08
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guardiangood evening maemo23:17
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roundeyehow can i change the name server that im useing?23:40
roundeyei look in the /etc/resove.conf file it says
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cosmoin the advanced settings of connection23:43
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roundeyethank you23:44
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roundeyecosmo where is it?23:44
roundeyecontrol panel > ?23:45
cosmoconnection manager23:45
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roundeyei am useing mistral on 77023:47
roundeyei dont see conection manger23:47
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roundeyeis that suposed to be under controll panel23:47
roundeyesorry nubing out23:48
soothsayerCan anyone recommend a countup timer utility? Ideally a gnome-applet, a plugin for gkrellm or a standalone graphical app. By countup timer I mean something that displays the days since a specified date.23:48
cosmow8, i'll get my 77023:48
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cosmotools->connection manager23:49
roundeyeim there and i dont se any where to specifi the name server23:50
roundeyei can see my name server that im using but i cant see where to change23:50
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roundeyeum is it tools > connection manager?23:54
roundeyei dont have tools connectivity23:54
roundeyei have contol pannel > conectivety23:54
cosmoin connection manager23:54
cosmothere is menu called tools23:54
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roundeyethank you23:55
roundeyefor you help and patience23:55
cosmonp, it's quite well hidden23:56
cosmousually wifi has dhcp23:56
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roundeyei know but i dont want to use there name servers they are broken :923:57

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