| unique311 | upload it and send link | 00:00 |
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| unique311 | how big is it? | 00:00 |
| pupnik | 9.9 MB total | 00:00 |
| unique311 | not bad | 00:00 |
| unique311 | if it works, that'll be awesome | 00:01 |
| pupnik | mine seems to crash while loading | 00:01 |
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| unique311 | does it run on scratchbox? | 00:02 |
| unique311 | or is it crashing on scratchbox | 00:02 |
| unique311 | IN* | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | "Super Mario War" is http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7.8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb | 00:04 |
| pupnik | oop | 00:05 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget "Super Mario War" | 00:05 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot "super mario war" | 00:05 |
| pupnik | "Super Mario War" is http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb | 00:05 |
| unique311 | i got bin | 00:05 |
| unique311 | but data not found for the first one | 00:05 |
| unique311 | nvm | 00:06 |
| pupnik | _1.7-8_all | 00:06 |
| unique311 | got it | 00:06 |
| pupnik | i have to get multiboot going here, it2007he is killin me | 00:06 |
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| pupnik | this is really well done | 00:09 |
| procto | pupnik: so acmonitor doesn't work on it2007? | 00:09 |
| procto | or just it2007he? | 00:09 |
| procto | cause I installed and it doesn't seem to do much of anything :> | 00:09 |
| pupnik | acmonitor for n800 works on n800, acmonitor for 770 works on 2006 and 2007he | 00:10 |
| procto | ah right, hm. I'm fairly sure I download the n800 one... | 00:10 |
| procto | I'll redownload and reinstall once I'm in wifi range again | 00:11 |
| procto | my current crusade will be patching the wifi drivers to enable packet injection | 00:11 |
| procto | the hardware should support it | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | any luck unique311 ? | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | runs fine in scratchbox - just hands while loading on 770 / it2007he | 00:12 |
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| unique311 | empty map directory | 00:13 |
| unique311 | guess i need to dl maps | 00:13 |
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| pupnik | i didn't - just kept hitting enter | 00:15 |
| unique311 | it works | 00:16 |
| unique311 | wow | 00:16 |
| unique311 | wow | 00:16 |
| pupnik | is there sound? | 00:16 |
| unique311 | fullscreen | 00:16 |
| pupnik | yeah | 00:16 |
| unique311 | yes | 00:16 |
| unique311 | need to test the buttons | 00:16 |
| unique311 | hopefully they work | 00:16 |
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| unique311 | nice | 00:19 |
| unique311 | very nice | 00:19 |
| unique311 | you can just package it up pupnick and place it on the repo | 00:20 |
| unique311 | fast | 00:20 |
| pupnik | that's a huge find unique311 | 00:20 |
| pupnik | is there vs via internet? | 00:21 |
| unique311 | yeah | 00:21 |
| unique311 | it is a good game | 00:21 |
| unique311 | playing it | 00:21 |
| unique311 | its fast | 00:21 |
| unique311 | sound works | 00:21 |
| unique311 | controls work | 00:22 |
| unique311 | let me check net play | 00:22 |
| unique311 | video anybody? | 00:22 |
| pupnik | ? | 00:23 |
| unique311 | thats why its fast | 00:23 |
| unique311 | framerate at 62 | 00:23 |
| unique311 | on normal | 00:23 |
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| unique311 | 40 is good right | 00:24 |
| pupnik | i'll have to do something about /usr/share/smw though | 00:24 |
| unique311 | the games works nicely. | 00:25 |
| unique311 | not finding network options | 00:25 |
| unique311 | still looking | 00:25 |
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| pupnik | i don't think they have it | 00:27 |
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| unique311 | hmm | 00:28 |
| unique311 | they don't | 00:28 |
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| N800 | actually a 4 player game option | 00:29 |
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| cbx33 | is that super mario war? | 00:29 |
| unique311 | yes | 00:29 |
| cbx33 | cooool | 00:29 |
| unique311 | i think they have the option pupnik | 00:29 |
| cbx33 | lemme know when it's all pacakged up | 00:30 |
| pupnik | "Super Mario War"? | 00:30 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... "Super Mario War" is http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb | 00:30 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, is there a nice tutorial for packaing for the N800 | 00:30 |
| unique311 | world | 00:30 |
| unique311 | i just tried the world option....and it gave error reading world file.. | 00:30 |
| unique311 | think that file need to be edit | 00:31 |
| unique311 | might be the file needed for netplay | 00:31 |
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| guardian | evening maemo | 00:58 |
| pupnik | moo | 00:58 |
| GreySim_ | Figured out the problem with Xournal. I needed to update the maemo.org repos from the mistral ones mentioned to the actual current gregale ones. Then Xournal installed just fine. | 00:58 |
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| pupnik | aha | 01:00 |
| pupnik | so you changed all mistral to gregale, or added new ones for gregale? | 01:00 |
| Mikho | the mistral repos seem to be broken | 01:01 |
| GreySim_ | Changed. | 01:02 |
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| GreySim_ | Is it possible to manually set your IP after connecting to a wifi AP? | 01:04 |
| pupnik | hah "unable to install osso-xterm" | 01:04 |
| timeless | heh | 01:04 |
| unique311 | pupnik, smw compiled for you with no errors? | 01:05 |
| pupnik | i think you can from the shell with ifconfig - not sure though - you can also set up another connection profile with manual ip | 01:05 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:06 |
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| GreySim_ | Hmm. Not seeing any manual IP options anywhere. | 01:07 |
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| GreySim_ | Though I can just try ifconfig I guess. | 01:08 |
| pupnik | go into control panel -> connection manager and create a new connection for wlan | 01:08 |
| GreySim_ | Ah. Completely failed to see the Connections button in Connectivity before. Oops. >.< | 01:10 |
| GreySim_ | Thanks. | 01:10 |
| GreySim_ | Oh good, I can even hide the network now if I ever get my router fixed. Thanks doubly. :) | 01:11 |
| pupnik | np | 01:11 |
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| unique311 | button mapping works in game | 01:14 |
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| robtaylor | MDK: Yeah, My ejabberd still wont auth to gmail.com | 01:20 |
| robtaylor | MDK: think i best switch to jabberd | 01:20 |
| pupnik | 743386 Dec 4 2006 hildon_home_bg_user.png | 01:21 |
| pupnik | sheesh. | 01:21 |
| pupnik | plus the 8 MB of stuff in MyDocs | 01:21 |
| pupnik | plus about 12MB of themes you can free up | 01:21 |
| pupnik | /dev/mtdblock4 126464 52908 73556 42% / | 01:22 |
| jani | i found MyDocs and userdocs there in particulary very funny. | 01:22 |
| jani | i dont remember the filesize but atleast last time i checked there is some userdoc pdf with enGB and enUS | 01:23 |
| pupnik | where is userdocs? | 01:23 |
| jani | teh funney part is that enUS is double the size of enGB | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | /usr/share/osso-help ? | 01:24 |
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| jani | i guess it should be somewhere under /home/user/MyDocs/.user-docs or .. or im talking about something thats not out yet. | 01:25 |
| pupnik | that's empty here | 01:26 |
| pupnik | /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ | 01:26 |
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| jani | something under there ? | 01:28 |
| jani | under .documents/ ? | 01:28 |
| pupnik | no | 01:28 |
| jani | ok, then those are not released yet. "uups" | 01:28 |
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| pupnik | :) | 01:29 |
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| * sp3000 dispatches the MiBs | 01:29 | |
| towski | anyone know what the bluetooth service is that uses a phone as a modem? | 01:30 |
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| jani | iik! dont talk about mibs | 01:32 |
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| sp3000 | dun? | 01:33 |
| pupnik | cool, i just fixed a corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/status by hand :) | 01:34 |
| pupnik | hoo*ray for textfiles | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | unique311: do you have a keymap for smw? | 01:36 |
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| unique311 | no...i'm looking for config files.. | 01:36 |
| unique311 | i only see one..not sure if its the keymap | 01:37 |
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| unique311 | located in /home/user/.smw.options.bin | 01:37 |
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| unique311 | no net play | 01:42 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, http://forum.72dpiarmy.com/viewtopic.php?t=2284 | 01:44 |
| pupnik | ok | 01:47 |
| pupnik | i get to 'press any key to continue' in the startup screen and then it hangs on me | 01:47 |
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| cbx33 | :( | 01:51 |
| unique311 | i just press an one of the arrow keys and it goes to the menu section | 01:53 |
| unique311 | maybe you should try my .bin file | 01:53 |
| pupnik | couldn't hurt | 01:55 |
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| GreySim | I'll show you my .bin if you show me yours. | 01:55 |
| cbx33 | still no luck on this tar | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | grrrr | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | i tarred it up in linux | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | a normal .tar.gz | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | but it won;t untar it | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | tar: invalid tar magic | 01:58 |
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| cbx33 | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/197/19716.html | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | heh | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | looks like its a common issue | 02:00 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1370695-0e3 | 02:02 |
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| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1370695-0e3 | 02:02 |
| cbx33 | i just have no idea how to transfer the gtkdoc library now | 02:02 |
| unique311 | just remove the .tar from the end and add . in the front | 02:02 |
| unique311 | hope that makes sense | 02:02 |
| cbx33 | eh? | 02:02 |
| cbx33 | something.tar.gz becomes? | 02:03 |
| unique311 | no | 02:03 |
| unique311 | not you | 02:03 |
| unique311 | sorry | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | ah | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 02:03 |
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| cbx33 | damn | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | thought it was an easy fix for my problem | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | sorry unique311 | 02:03 |
| unique311 | pupnik remove the .tar from the end of the file, and add a . in the front. | 02:03 |
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| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1370714-c62 | 02:05 |
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| cbx33 | hmmm | 02:05 |
| unique311 | nvm the first link pupnik | 02:05 |
| pupnik_ | thansk | 02:05 |
| unique311 | with this link http://www.divshare.com/download/1370714-c62 unrar it | 02:06 |
| unique311 | rename it and add . in front | 02:06 |
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| unique311 | so it looks like so .smw.options.bin | 02:06 |
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| unique311 | feck | 02:09 |
| unique311 | pupnik http://www.divshare.com/download/1370742-ec3 | 02:09 |
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| unique311 | no need to rename anything..just unrar in /home/user/ | 02:09 |
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| cbx33 | grrr | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | now it's just lost my mmc2 card | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | saying there's nothing on it | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | rebooting | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | tried to save a 9Mb file from the net onto it | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | shouldn't be a problem should it | 02:16 |
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| cbx33 | ok | 02:19 |
| cbx33 | it'll untar | 02:19 |
| cbx33 | as long as it isn't compressed at all | 02:20 |
| unique311 | what are you trying to do? | 02:20 |
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| cbx33 | ust tar up a load of files | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | transfer and untar | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | 9Mb of gtkdoc files | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | if i tar up with the GUI in gnome it fails | 02:21 |
| unique311 | tar xvzf don't work | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | if I tar like this - tar czf test.tar.gz gtkdoc/ | 02:21 |
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| cbx33 | i get a 900K file | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | which won't untar | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | however | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | if I tar like this - tar cf test.tar.gz gtkdoc/ | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | works | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | though it's a 9Mb file | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | nevermind it works | 02:21 |
| unique311 | i use ubuntu.. | 02:22 |
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| cbx33 | me too | 02:22 |
| unique311 | right click and extract all works | 02:22 |
| unique311 | where's pupnik | 02:22 |
| _Monkey | i guess pupnik is guessing that you need a full version of tar and not the busybox version | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | ok the n800? | 02:22 |
| _Monkey | the n800 is probably much better than a desk phone :-) | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | anywas | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | nevermind | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | igot the files i need | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | bbtomorrow | 02:23 |
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| unique311 | pupnik | 02:23 |
| unique311 | monkey is a bot | 02:23 |
| unique311 | where's pupnik | 02:23 |
| _Monkey | pupnik is guessing that you need a full version of tar and not the busybox version | 02:23 |
| unique311 | ok | 02:23 |
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| agogo | guys..just bought an 8gb A-Data SDHC..popped it in my n800 with the latest firmware (should support SDHC), but checked on the control panel, only 690mb is available..what gives? | 02:41 |
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| pupnik_ | hahaha | 02:54 |
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| unique311 | working? | 02:54 |
| pupnik | no | 02:54 |
| unique311 | what happen to you.. | 02:54 |
| agogo | has anyone had this problem? | 02:54 |
| unique311 | i have better news.. | 02:54 |
| unique311 | you need to check this one out. maybe better than smw | 02:55 |
| pupnik | what | 02:55 |
| unique311 | http://www.secretmaryo.org/index.php?page=game_downloads&sid= | 02:56 |
| unique311 | smc | 02:56 |
| pupnik | btw that SDL file your were missing belongs to libsdl-mixer1.2=dev, i think | 02:56 |
| unique311 | i installed it.. | 02:57 |
| pupnik | oh | 02:57 |
| unique311 | but SDL_mixer.h is still MIA | 02:57 |
| unique311 | going to reinstall scratchbox.. | 02:57 |
| unique311 | and try my hands at maryo chronicles.. | 02:57 |
| pupnik | the minimum system requirements look too high | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | http://www.secretmaryo.org/index.php?page=about&sid=sid=d71b206ef66160c1e135cf73d5779e2e | 03:03 |
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| unique311 | hmmm | 03:13 |
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| tinix | anyone have a few minutes to spare? | 03:14 |
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| tinix | i'm having problems with my home and power buttons... | 03:15 |
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| tinix | instead of bringing up a menu, my device just turs off, or i'm dropped to the home screen in the case of the home button | 03:17 |
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| tinix | i have tried editing mce.ini to no avail | 03:17 |
| pupnik | i don't know this problem tinix | 03:26 |
| unique311 | no go with smc...sucks...the screenshots look real good | 03:27 |
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| tinix | if i remove mce.ini, this behavior is just like that. i think i may have corrupted my file :S | 03:28 |
| unique311 | pupnik...it was ported to the gp32x | 03:28 |
| unique311 | source file available.. | 03:28 |
| pupnik | there must be a way to disable opengl then | 03:28 |
| unique311 | version .97 | 03:28 |
| unique311 | pre .98 | 03:28 |
| unique311 | as of .98 opengl was introduce to it. | 03:28 |
| unique311 | pre .98 sdl | 03:29 |
| pupnik | aha | 03:29 |
| tinix | can anyone dcc me their /etc/mce.ini and /etc/systemui/systemui.xml files? | 03:29 |
| unique311 | pretty sure 99 has an option in the .configure | 03:29 |
| pupnik | tinix: my nokia is not working right now sorry | 03:30 |
| unique311 | if you go to the gp32x site...you can find the source. | 03:30 |
| unique311 | i'll send you them tinix..but i have to look em over | 03:30 |
| tinix | pupnik, thanks anyway... | 03:30 |
| pupnik | tinix: it would help if you speficied your operating system version | 03:30 |
| tinix | the newest one... hold on | 03:30 |
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| tinix | softpoweroff wprked fine in the last one | 03:31 |
| tinix | ~ $ uname -a | 03:31 |
| tinix | gr | 03:31 |
| tinix | Linux Nokia-N800-26 2.6.18-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 13 11:37:40 EEST 2007 armv6l unknown | 03:32 |
| unique311 | k, i don't have /etc/mce.ini | 03:32 |
| unique311 | i do have the xml file | 03:32 |
| unique311 | you want it | 03:32 |
| tinix | /etc/mce/mce.ini | 03:32 |
| tinix | my mistake | 03:32 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:32 |
| unique311 | hold on | 03:32 |
| tinix | thanks :) | 03:33 |
| tinix | i'm away from home, didn't bring my laptop, or else i'd reflash... again. | 03:34 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1371313-782 | 03:38 |
| unique311 | tinix, | 03:38 |
| tinix | thanks, unique311 i'll let you know if it works | 03:39 |
| unique311 | np | 03:41 |
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| tinix | i owe you my first-born unique311 | 03:52 |
| tinix | :) | 03:53 |
| unique311 | danm | 03:54 |
| unique311 | thats deep man.. | 03:54 |
| tinix | hah | 03:54 |
| unique311 | if i was the devil you would be screwed | 03:54 |
| tinix | lies | 03:54 |
| unique311 | to the devil thats a deal | 03:55 |
| tinix | too bad i don't believe in the devil :P | 03:55 |
| unique311 | i guess you would have to believe, huh | 03:55 |
| unique311 | thats how those things work.... | 03:55 |
| tinix | pssh | 03:56 |
| tinix | you know alot about the subject, eh? how would i go about trading souls with someone? | 03:56 |
| unique311 | i don't know about such things.. | 03:57 |
| tinix | but you just said... | 03:57 |
| unique311 | religion don't play a big part in my life.. | 03:57 |
| tinix | LIES AND SLANDER | 03:58 |
| tinix | :p | 03:58 |
| unique311 | when i do tell people what i believe in they tend to laugh... | 03:58 |
| unique311 | not lies and slander.. | 03:58 |
| tinix | let's hear it | 03:58 |
| unique311 | i alway tend to go off topic in this channel.. | 03:58 |
| tinix | heh | 03:59 |
| unique311 | not sure i should try to explain what i believe in on maemo.. | 03:59 |
| unique311 | might get the boot | 03:59 |
| unique311 | pupnik, thanks for the mario war port... | 04:00 |
| unique311 | konttori, thanks for the UKMP update... | 04:01 |
| Radar | (now fix the 12 albums to scroll bug) | 04:03 |
| Radar | :) | 04:03 |
| tinix | anyone know how if flickr is being implemented into the camera app? there is a flickr line in the config file | 04:05 |
| pupnik | got to sleep -cheers | 04:10 |
| unique311 | lates man | 04:11 |
| tinix | n8 | 04:11 |
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| fro1 | I'm starting to hate apt just as much as timeless does | 04:40 |
| fro1 | http://pastebin.com/d5598df24 | 04:40 |
| fro1 | This is xmlto, a virtually generated package. Functionality of this package | 04:40 |
| fro1 | is provided by Scratchbox. | 04:40 |
| fro1 | NO IT'S NOT | 04:40 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 05:08 |
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| fro1 | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK | 05:09 |
| fro1 | (nobody minds profanity, right?) | 05:10 |
| fro1 | I need a package | 05:10 |
| fro1 | which needs glib | 05:10 |
| fro1 | but the bora one is too old | 05:10 |
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| fro1 | I get the source package | 05:10 |
| fro1 | which needs gnome-pkg-tools | 05:11 |
| fro1 | but the bora version is too old | 05:11 |
| fro1 | I get the source package | 05:11 |
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| fro1 | which can't find 'xmlto' | 05:11 |
| fro1 | after a lot of hassle, it turns out scratchbox didn't install the doctools devkit correctly | 05:11 |
| fro1 | (in SDK_X86, xmlto is there and works, on armel IT'S NOT) | 05:12 |
| fro1 | fix that | 05:12 |
| fro1 | rinse and repeat | 05:12 |
| fro1 | still errors | 05:12 |
| fro1 | goddamn | 05:12 |
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| fro1 | I'm not supposed to waste my nights on this, I just need glib | 05:13 |
| NeoStrider | what are you doing, fro1? | 05:14 |
| fro1 | porting telepathy-salut | 05:14 |
| fro1 | while my friends are getting drunk and humping the living shit out of their girlfriends at the beach | 05:14 |
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| fro1 | even mamona and openembedded don't have a recent glib2 | 05:16 |
| fro1 | and I'm not saying recent as in "last week" and as a months old release | 05:16 |
| fro1 | s/and/but/ | 05:16 |
| infobot | fro1 meant: but I'm not saying recent as in "last week" and as a months old release | 05:16 |
| fro1 | s/and/but/2 | 05:17 |
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| fro1 | whatever... | 05:17 |
| NeoStrider | what is telepathy-salut? | 05:17 |
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| NeoStrider | voip, right? | 05:17 |
| fro1 | nope | 05:17 |
| fro1 | link-local connection manager | 05:17 |
| fro1 | "iChat+Bonjour"-style chat over the LAN | 05:18 |
| NeoStrider | what the hell is that? | 05:18 |
| NeoStrider | ahh | 05:18 |
| NeoStrider | IM | 05:18 |
| NeoStrider | nice =-) | 05:18 |
| fro1 | no | 05:18 |
| fro1 | it's not | 05:18 |
| fro1 | at least, it is, unless you're trying to build it | 05:18 |
| NeoStrider | whats the diference? | 05:18 |
| fro1 | difference between salut and what ? | 05:19 |
| NeoStrider | (not mesmerizing...Im really asking) | 05:19 |
| NeoStrider | salut and a IM | 05:19 |
| fro1 | it IS an im system | 05:19 |
| fro1 | without a centralized server | 05:19 |
| fro1 | it just lists whoever is on your same LAN | 05:19 |
| fro1 | and you can chat with him, share files, video, and more in the future | 05:20 |
| NeoStrider | oh.. I see | 05:20 |
| NeoStrider | like those sms chats from old Series 30 phones | 05:20 |
| fro1 | no idea | 05:20 |
| fro1 | never had a nokia | 05:20 |
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| NeoStrider | =-O | 05:21 |
| fro1 | but a friend of mine could do a similar thing with the 6630 (or whatever that was) with bluetooth | 05:21 |
| NeoStrider | hehehhe | 05:21 |
| NeoStrider | those are way before BT | 05:21 |
| NeoStrider | BW phones | 05:22 |
| fro1 | anyway | 05:22 |
| NeoStrider | where are you from, fro1? | 05:22 |
| fro1 | AAAAAAAAARGH | 05:23 |
| fro1 | I wasted all this time for NOTHING | 05:23 |
| NeoStrider | relaaaaax | 05:23 |
| fro1 | Chinook has an up-to-date glib | 05:23 |
| NeoStrider | take a deep breath... | 05:23 |
| fro1 | and I found out just now | 05:23 |
| fro1 | at 4am | 05:23 |
| NeoStrider | you should be sleeping... | 05:24 |
| fro1 | NeoStrider: I have an internet connection only from 11pm to 6am every day | 05:24 |
| NeoStrider | i see | 05:24 |
| fro1 | so I can't afford wasting time like that | 05:24 |
| NeoStrider | i once had that...(ok...it was 5 years ago , but I understand you) | 05:24 |
| fro1 | if I had just upgraded to chinook earlier... | 05:24 |
| fro1 | the problem is that probably I won't be able to run the damn thing on the device that | 05:25 |
| fro1 | *then | 05:25 |
| fro1 | therefore it's.. utterly useless | 05:25 |
| fro1 | but still, it's the only thing I can do now | 05:25 |
| fro1 | so | 05:25 |
| fro1 | to upgrade or not to upgrade? | 05:25 |
| NeoStrider | and the SDK is not complete yet, anyway | 05:26 |
| fro1 | NeoStrider: your choice | 05:26 |
| fro1 | I now, but I need those packages | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider | I know nothing from gregalle and on | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider | and Im only a game developer | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider | the underlying layer is not my business | 05:26 |
| fro1 | the problem is that if I break scratchbox, I'm quite screwed | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider | I just need SDL working correctly and consistently (and that sometimes fail) | 05:26 |
| fro1 | cool | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider | I had this case before | 05:26 |
| NeoStrider | just copy your SBOX | 05:27 |
| NeoStrider | and if you screw it, restore the copy | 05:27 |
| fro1 | 'no space left on device' | 05:27 |
| NeoStrider | worked for me when I tried to install gregalle and it didnt worked ...I restored my mistral SDL just fine | 05:27 |
| NeoStrider | ok..now you'r f*cked up | 05:27 |
| NeoStrider | no CD recorder? | 05:27 |
| fro1 | no CDs :P | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | pendrives? | 05:28 |
| fro1 | not that big | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | how big? | 05:28 |
| fro1 | got an old mp3 player, 128Mb, scrathbox takes _gigabytes_ | 05:28 |
| NeoStrider | mine is only 1.1 gb | 05:29 |
| NeoStrider | and I've got a 1 GB pendrive...so, maybe it could work... | 05:29 |
| NeoStrider | and of course...you can always clean up the house erasing the old .tgz from the rootstraps | 05:30 |
| fro1 | mmm | 05:31 |
| fro1 | maybe I'm safe | 05:31 |
| fro1 | the chinook targets are called SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL and SDK_ALPHA_X86 | 05:31 |
| NeoStrider | erase all that pr0n and maybe will there be "space on device" =-P | 05:31 |
| NeoStrider | hummmm | 05:31 |
| NeoStrider | lucky heheh | 05:32 |
| fro1 | they won't overwrite the old ones | 05:32 |
| NeoStrider | but and rootstraps wont clash? | 05:32 |
| NeoStrider | and the glib thing? | 05:32 |
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| NeoStrider | the new rootstraps wont overwrite the old one's glib? | 05:33 |
| fro1 | we'll promptly find out | 05:34 |
| fro1 | I have no other option anyway | 05:34 |
| NeoStrider | "770: thats when your fading out routing of your game looks good on your desktop but not on the device" (R) | 05:36 |
| NeoStrider | ("fading out routine", not "routing") | 05:36 |
| fro1 | mm? | 05:36 |
| fro1 | ah | 05:37 |
| NeoStrider | a game im debugging on the 770 right now | 05:37 |
| NeoStrider | on the desktop, the fading out effect looked great | 05:37 |
| NeoStrider | on the 770 is jerky | 05:37 |
| NeoStrider | I superstimated the polygon blitting speed | 05:38 |
| fro1 | and I overestimated the time it would take to build a *gnome-based* package on a *gnome-based* distribution | 05:39 |
| fro1 | s/overestimated/underestimated/ | 05:40 |
| infobot | fro1 meant: and I underestimated the time it would take to build a *gnome-based* package on a *gnome-based* distribution | 05:40 |
| NeoStrider | cool stuff heheh | 05:40 |
| fro1 | no at all | 05:41 |
| NeoStrider | about the package...the fact is or isnt a gnome-based distro doesnt interfere with the speed | 05:41 |
| fro1 | going on vacation would be 'cool stuff' | 05:41 |
| NeoStrider | (cool "infobot") | 05:41 |
| fro1 | I'm not talking about your package | 05:41 |
| NeoStrider | but im talking about yours | 05:42 |
| fro1 | ok | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | (ok, my english is not good, but I guess I was clear) | 05:42 |
| fro1 | it's almost 5am | 05:42 |
| fro1 | it's my brain which is rotten | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | get some sleep | 05:42 |
| fro1 | can't | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | I can understand you | 05:42 |
| NeoStrider | been in that situation before... | 05:43 |
| NeoStrider | is that a work assignment? | 05:43 |
| fro1 | more or les | 05:43 |
| NeoStrider | or a college one? | 05:43 |
| fro1 | *less | 05:43 |
| fro1 | oh no, I wish we did this kind of stuff at college | 05:43 |
| NeoStrider | got chinook already? | 05:44 |
| fro1 | dooooooooooooooooownloading | 05:44 |
| fro1 | slooooooooooooooowly | 05:44 |
| NeoStrider | dial up? | 05:44 |
| fro1 | DSL, capped at 64k | 05:45 |
| fro1 | err | 05:45 |
| fro1 | 640k | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | kb/s? | 05:45 |
| fro1 | bits | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | but what is the current download speed? | 05:45 |
| fro1 | ~70K/s | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | hahha | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | you're lucky | 05:46 |
| fro1 | you bet | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | mine cable is 250K | 05:46 |
| fro1 | there's NOBODY online right now | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | and the fastest download I get is 30kb/s | 05:46 |
| fro1 | but you don't have to login at night, I guess | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | it took me weeks to download the gregalle stuff | 05:46 |
| NeoStrider | sure I dont have any assignment | 05:48 |
| NeoStrider | and do this for my pure pleasure | 05:48 |
| NeoStrider | but sometimes is frustating | 05:48 |
| NeoStrider | becouse I have just a couple of hours to work on my games | 05:48 |
| fro1 | but you live in fucking brazil, go to the beach or something :P | 05:49 |
| NeoStrider | its not that easy | 05:50 |
| NeoStrider | I have to pave my way to a good future | 05:50 |
| NeoStrider | going to beach every day will just pave my way to the dumpster | 05:51 |
| NeoStrider | italia? | 05:51 |
| fro1 | heh, I haven't taken a day off in three years | 05:51 |
| fro1 | and I live in front of the sea | 05:51 |
| fro1 | yes, unfortunately | 05:51 |
| NeoStrider | ok...im not that extreme...but Im working for about a year and a half , without vacation, and I too, live in front of the sea | 05:52 |
| NeoStrider | I have a sailboat and a beach house...and I never go into neither | 05:52 |
| fro1 | argh | 05:52 |
| NeoStrider | (I would rather be in italia than Brazil...) | 05:52 |
| fro1 | oh no | 05:52 |
| fro1 | you wouldn't | 05:52 |
| fro1 | pick anywhere else | 05:53 |
| fro1 | but not italy | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | even if italy sucks...it is in europe...you can easily go anywhere else | 05:53 |
| NeoStrider | im basicly stuck with what? latin america? | 05:53 |
| fro1 | sure, if you have the money you can go anywhere | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | I like brazil...but sometimes it just sucks | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | in Brazil, not even with money you can go anywhere | 05:54 |
| NeoStrider | the lines in the airports ,currently, takes about 20 hours | 05:55 |
| NeoStrider | a plane even crashed last week | 05:55 |
| fro1 | it seems everybody just complains about what he has | 05:55 |
| NeoStrider | airports in Brazil are just pure chaos | 05:55 |
| fro1 | yeah, heard about that | 05:55 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. | 05:55 |
| fro1 | freaking bots... | 05:55 |
| NeoStrider | hahhahahah | 05:55 |
| fro1 | still | 05:56 |
| NeoStrider | hey...wanna relax playing a game? | 05:56 |
| fro1 | ah no | 05:56 |
| fro1 | haven't touched a game in years | 05:56 |
| NeoStrider | ok... | 05:57 |
| fro1 | thanks, but they're not my thing | 05:57 |
| NeoStrider | ok... | 05:57 |
| fro1 | I tend to lose, and when I lose I get nervous | 05:57 |
| fro1 | (as when I can't get some damn software to build) | 05:57 |
| NeoStrider | hahhaha...if it worth to make you feel beter, It took me a year to figure out how to build the deb package for my game and to be able to properly test it on the 770 | 06:00 |
| NeoStrider | when I finally got it running on the 770, the N800 was already out | 06:00 |
| fro1 | I don't have a year :\ | 06:00 |
| fro1 | damn.. | 06:00 |
| NeoStrider | debian packages are just f*cking hard to create with autotools | 06:00 |
| NeoStrider | and also, my game is not that impressive for a desktop..now you figure out what is to be working on something "useless"? | 06:01 |
| NeoStrider | for about two years | 06:01 |
| fro1 | yes I know, I've been working on a kernel for about a year | 06:01 |
| NeoStrider | linux kernel hacking or custom kernel? | 06:02 |
| fro1 | when I got it to bootstrap itself, schedule threads and allocate memory, I didn't have time anymore :\ | 06:02 |
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| fro1 | custom | 06:02 |
| NeoStrider | wow | 06:02 |
| fro1 | nah, games are more 'wow' :D | 06:03 |
| NeoStrider | I once did a non-preemptive scheduller..and that was hard....man...you're good! | 06:03 |
| NeoStrider | not really | 06:03 |
| NeoStrider | not mine | 06:03 |
| NeoStrider | mobile games tend to bem more like "yawn" heheh | 06:03 |
| fro1 | at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot screen and a prompt | 06:03 |
| fro1 | s/screen/splash/ | 06:04 |
| infobot | fro1 meant: at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot splash and a prompt | 06:04 |
| fro1 | btw, I thing I've seen your engine | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | I once did a customization of knoppix | 06:04 |
| fro1 | it's good | 06:04 |
| fro1 | s/thing/think/ | 06:04 |
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| NeoStrider | this: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html ? | 06:04 |
| fro1 | yes :) | 06:04 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but its hell slow | 06:05 |
| NeoStrider | 5 fps on a 770, for most of the time | 06:05 |
| NeoStrider | and its quite incosistent | 06:05 |
| NeoStrider | and its developement was quit slow too | 06:05 |
| NeoStrider | 2 years of work and still nothing that worth | 06:05 |
| fro1 | learning *is* worth the time | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | but there isnt anything that new with that | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | maybe some techniques on the portal rendering | 06:06 |
| fro1 | and that's the main reason why one would ever embrace such a big project | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | (BsC thesis, by the way) | 06:06 |
| fro1 | oh, cool | 06:06 |
| NeoStrider | but the main point is: Quake2 for the N800 is waaaay faster and nicer | 06:07 |
| NeoStrider | maybe I learned just to be quicker on developement =-) | 06:07 |
| fro1 | I wonder if they'd ever accept something like that as a BsC thesis here, rather than their usual boring useless crap | 06:07 |
| NeoStrider | but mine is quite different too | 06:08 |
| fro1 | NeoStrider: but carmack is carmack :P | 06:08 |
| NeoStrider | colleges are all the same =-P | 06:08 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...I hope I have a ferrari one day too | 06:08 |
| fro1 | hahahahahhaha | 06:08 |
| NeoStrider | by now I only have a Fiat Fiorino | 06:08 |
| fro1 | I don't even have a car | 06:08 |
| fro1 | "Installation was successful!" | 06:09 |
| fro1 | argh, I'm afraid to login | 06:09 |
| NeoStrider | \o/ | 06:09 |
| NeoStrider | cmon! | 06:09 |
| NeoStrider | do it! | 06:09 |
| fro1 | [sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~/apt] > cat /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc | grep Version | 06:10 |
| fro1 | Version: 2.12.12 | 06:10 |
| fro1 | !!! \o/ !!! | 06:10 |
| NeoStrider | but how functional is it? | 06:10 |
| fro1 | no idea | 06:10 |
| fro1 | don't spoil my happiness :P | 06:10 |
| NeoStrider | ok =-P | 06:11 |
| NeoStrider | but later, try to switch to another target | 06:11 |
| fro1 | I did | 06:11 |
| NeoStrider | and try building a simple hildon app on both, to test it | 06:11 |
| fro1 | argh | 06:11 |
| fro1 | NO I'LL HAVE TO REBUILD THE MAEMO BROWSER FROM SCRATCH!!! | 06:11 |
| NeoStrider | you dont like hildon? | 06:11 |
| NeoStrider | =-O | 06:12 |
| fro1 | took a whole night last time | 06:12 |
| NeoStrider | WTF?! | 06:12 |
| fro1 | heh | 06:12 |
| fro1 | unless the bora packages are still good here | 06:12 |
| NeoStrider | ("why SVN suck just like CVS...that I will never know...") | 06:13 |
| fro1 | mm, something's wrong | 06:14 |
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| fro1 | my $HOME didn't look that way before | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | $home inside SBOX, you mean? | 06:15 |
| fro1 | yes | 06:15 |
| fro1 | [sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~] > mount | 06:16 |
| fro1 | bash: mount: command not found | 06:16 |
| fro1 | for the love of god | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/angstron] > mount | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | bash: mount: command not found | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | nothing wrong here | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | mine gregalle is fully functional | 06:17 |
| NeoStrider | gosh...Im starting to hate SVN!!!! grrrr | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | I want to update my project on the garage...and it refuses to work!!! | 06:18 |
| fro1 | tried to move or rename a file and now it bitches ? | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | yeh | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 06:18 |
| fro1 | heh, welcome to the group | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | actually..I overwrote lots of files | 06:18 |
| fro1 | never ever touch a file without using the svn command on each one | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | I feel like stupid... | 06:19 |
| fro1 | god hates me | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | listening to Ringo Starr isnt really helping.. | 06:20 |
| fro1 | for some unexplicable reason | 06:20 |
| fro1 | my devkit-doctools is broken on arm, but works on X86 | 06:20 |
| fro1 | which means I'm missing a lot of packages | 06:20 |
| NeoStrider | it happens | 06:20 |
| NeoStrider | my devkit-mono is behaving very oddly | 06:20 |
| fro1 | but I've got only 40 minutes left!!!!! | 06:20 |
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| fro1 | god DAMN | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | man...I gotta go | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | good luck for you | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | and thanks for your time | 06:21 |
| fro1 | me too, another night wasted | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | bye fellows | 06:22 |
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| MobileSim | Is it possible to get 'net access through the USB cable and a Linux server/desktop? | 06:51 |
| MobileSim | With a 770, that is. | 06:51 |
| * MobileSim bricked his router trying to get it out of client mode and back into AP mode, and has no cash or income at the moment to replace it. | 06:53 | |
| MobileSim | If it seems like a strange question, I can only say that I've done it with a Palm before, and I'm not just pulling this completely out of my ass. | 06:56 |
| `0660 | you're not alone with that | 06:58 |
| fro1 | there is an option for usb networking | 06:58 |
| fro1 | but I never used it | 06:58 |
| fro1 | and unfortunately it's 6am | 06:59 |
| fro1 | which means my connection goes off in one minute | 06:59 |
| `0660 | am not sure though if it's easily doable or not | 06:59 |
| fro1 | bye! | 06:59 |
| fro1 | it's on the wiki, afaik | 06:59 |
| `0660 | bye! | 06:59 |
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| guardian | good morning #maemo | 09:47 |
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| timeless | sure | 09:51 |
| guardian | is garage down ? | 09:52 |
| guardian | or is it my connection :/ | 09:52 |
| timeless | not just you | 09:52 |
| timeless | do you really need garage? | 09:52 |
| guardian | morning timeless | 09:52 |
| timeless | you can use bugs.maemo.org :) | 09:52 |
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| guardian | :) | 09:53 |
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| guardian | i wanted to give maemo cjk a try | 09:53 |
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| timeless | committed-date="2007-06-08T17:55:19.762710Z" | 09:54 |
| timeless | url="https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemocjk/trunk" | 09:54 |
| timeless | if you want, i can package that somewhere | 09:55 |
| * timeless has a mirror of /most/ of garage | 09:55 | |
| timeless | Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on | 09:55 |
| timeless | root_pool/home/svn/world-all/garage | 09:55 |
| timeless | 362G 8.2G 124G 7% /export/home/svn/world-all/garage | 09:55 |
| timeless | it's not very tiny | 09:56 |
| guardian | i appreciate the offer, i guess i can wait and switch to another task | 09:56 |
| guardian | in the mean time | 09:56 |
| guardian | meantime | 09:56 |
| * timeless ponders | 09:57 | |
| * timeless needs to figure out how ssh-agent and friends work | 09:57 | |
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| dubdibdub | hello there, somebody awake?? | 10:33 |
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| timeless | garage was down earlier | 10:36 |
| timeless | i haven't bothered bugging ferenc about it | 10:36 |
| * timeless tries publishing a local mirror of garage to an external server | 10:37 | |
| * timeless isn't really sure if there's enough space on the server | 10:37 | |
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| timeless | interesting | 10:41 |
| timeless | dh grows its storage weekly by at least 1g | 10:41 |
| * timeless is wondering how to check account quotas | 10:44 | |
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| pupnik | where has the quota command gone, or am i halluciniremembering? | 10:49 |
| timeless | in what world? | 10:49 |
| timeless | [timeless@viper ~]$ quota --help | 10:50 |
| timeless | quota: invalid option -- - | 10:50 |
| timeless | timeless@swift:~% quota --help | 10:50 |
| timeless | quota: illegal option -- help | 10:50 |
| timeless | ufs usage: quota [-v] [username] | 10:50 |
| pupnik | ok it's just not installed by default on Sidux (desktop os) | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:55 |
| pupnik | mooin | 10:55 |
| timeless | os or distro? | 10:57 |
| timeless | swift runs open solaris community edition or something | 10:58 |
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| pupnik | distro... sorry for mentioning it | 10:58 |
| timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ quota --help | 10:58 |
| timeless | quota: illegal option -- help | 10:58 |
| timeless | nexenta is well, nexenta | 10:58 |
| pupnik | i used to use it to limit memory usage by firefox and X server | 10:58 |
| timeless | you mean you don't like firefox using 1.9gb of vm? | 10:59 |
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| timeless | my ff's like using 4gb of vm :) | 10:59 |
| pupnik | heh apropos | 10:59 |
| keesj | but quota is for file systems not? | 10:59 |
| timeless | -rw-------+ 1 timeless other 3.8G Feb 13 14:44 /var/crash/cores/firefox-bin.19218.global.100.1171360448.swift | 10:59 |
| timeless | normally ulimit is for memory | 10:59 |
| pupnik | gaah yes | 11:00 |
| timeless | and firefox until recently hasn't been configured to use an aggressive disk cache | 11:00 |
| timeless | that's going to change a bit | 11:00 |
| timeless | iirc the default cache size is 50mb (disk) | 11:00 |
| timeless | and it's going to be at least 100mb | 11:00 |
| timeless | because it turns out that's actually a win | 11:01 |
| timeless | Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on | 11:02 |
| timeless | root_pool/home/timeless | 11:02 |
| timeless | 362G 6.0G 124G 5% /export/home/timeless | 11:02 |
| timeless | and disk space is cheap :) | 11:02 |
| timeless | (which is kinda why i don't mind keeping 4 3.8gb cores from firefox ...) | 11:02 |
| * timeless ponders | 11:02 | |
| timeless | does rsync not default to using useful compression? | 11:02 |
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| timeless | and if i don't use useful compression will it take forever for me to transfer 8gb of gar(b)age ? | 11:02 |
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| pupnik | depends on many factors | 11:04 |
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| pupnik | unique311: morning | 11:11 |
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| timeless | hrm, only e^ipi let me ask his time :( | 11:18 |
| timeless | ok, garage is finally being pushed | 11:19 |
| timeless | this should be fun | 11:19 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/ | 11:21 |
| timeless | in case someone wants some piece of garage svn | 11:21 |
| inz | 404 | 11:21 |
| timeless | there's 8gb of content being sent from swift to sanjay over an ssh tunnel or two and probably a dsl link | 11:21 |
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| timeless | inz: eh? | 11:21 |
| pupnik | garage works reel guud for me timeless, thanks for the work | 11:22 |
| timeless | wfm from boffo<webwizardry.net> | 11:22 |
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| * timeless hasn't touched garage | 11:22 | |
| pupnik | oh whoever does it | 11:22 |
| timeless | inz: you're really getting a 404? | 11:22 |
| inz | timeless, yes | 11:22 |
| bilboed | is maemo garage down ? | 11:23 |
| timeless | bilboed: it was earlier | 11:23 |
| inz | still seems to be | 11:23 |
| bilboed | where can I grab the gecko browser then ? :) | 11:23 |
| timeless | hold on | 11:24 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/index.html will be a url for it | 11:24 |
| timeless | but it hasn't synced that yet | 11:24 |
| bilboed | ok | 11:24 |
| inz | bilboed, it's in extras | 11:24 |
| timeless | inz: does http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/ give you a 404 too? | 11:25 |
| inz | timeless, nope | 11:25 |
| timeless | strange | 11:26 |
| inz | timeless, nm. it was vte | 11:26 |
| timeless | vte ?? | 11:26 |
| inz | timeless, or the regexes gnome-terminal passes to vte | 11:26 |
| inz | timeless, I ctrl-clicked the link, just noticed it dropped the last slash from the url | 11:27 |
| timeless | ah | 11:27 |
| inz | timeless, without the last slash, it doesn't work | 11:27 |
| timeless | yeah, i need to work on the rewrite urls | 11:27 |
| timeless | the code has some not so perfect heuristics | 11:27 |
| timeless | hrm | 11:28 |
| timeless | oh fsck | 11:28 |
| timeless | did i mess up? | 11:28 |
| timeless | that'd suck | 11:28 |
| * timeless curses | 11:28 | |
| timeless | hrm, no i don't think i did | 11:28 |
| * timeless wonders why www/ hasn't been filled | 11:28 | |
| timeless | ok, www/ is being filled now | 11:32 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/index.html | 11:32 |
| timeless | should work | 11:32 |
| bilboed | hmm... all maemo sites seem to be sluggish to be, can't even get to http://maemo.org/browser | 11:32 |
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| timeless | bilboed:you should be able to use the url i just pasted instead | 11:33 |
| bilboed | k | 11:33 |
| timeless | it's not guaranteed to be current, otoh the person most likely to change the content there is me | 11:33 |
| timeless | sorry about the url length, it's a hazard of automatic things, but that's what tinyurl is for :) | 11:34 |
| timeless | anyway, now you guys can see what swift looks like, at least partly | 11:34 |
| sciboy | Hmmm, if I wanted to render svg files to png is there any applications/libraries that come with 2007 that could handle that? | 11:35 |
| timeless | after i've pushed garage, i'll push at least one sdk source critter | 11:35 |
| timeless | the image viewer for 2007 theoretically has poor support for svg | 11:35 |
| timeless | so you can use the lib it uses | 11:35 |
| sciboy | Is there librsvg? | 11:36 |
| timeless | /gdk-osso-svg-loade | 11:37 |
| timeless | in some versions of things | 11:37 |
| timeless | s/e$/er | 11:37 |
| timeless | /gdk-osso-svg-loader-0.21 in 2007 | 11:37 |
| timeless | .4 anyway | 11:37 |
| _Monkey | 0.4 | 11:37 |
| timeless | very strange | 11:38 |
| timeless | osso-imageviewer doesn't claim to have any interesting dependencies | 11:38 |
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| timeless | looks like it just uses gdk_pixbuf_loader_new mostly | 11:40 |
| sciboy | Is there an answer to my last question? | 11:40 |
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| timeless | no sign of a libsvg if that's a package | 11:40 |
| sciboy | librsvg* | 11:41 |
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| sciboy | Don't forget the r | 11:41 |
| timeless | i only have a source index, not a binary index, so it's not practical for me to tell you if the file exists | 11:41 |
| timeless | i did a search for svg.*debian | 11:41 |
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| timeless | the only files matching were gdk-osso-svg-loader ... | 11:41 |
| * timeless frowns | 11:43 | |
| timeless | some of the features on sanjay are broken | 11:43 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/tt/find?string=XML.*%2Ft%2F&tree=tt&hint=8 | 11:44 |
| timeless | for an example of how searching works | 11:44 |
| timeless | the hint=8 shouldn't be needed, but something's broken w/ the hinting code | 11:45 |
| timeless | it's probably fixed on swift, i'll see about doing a diff at some point since sanjay now has some new code i need to import | 11:45 |
| florian | good morning | 11:46 |
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| timeless | bilboed/inz/whichever, did the browser page work well enough to get you your content? | 11:47 |
| bilboed | yep | 11:48 |
| timeless | :) | 11:49 |
| timeless | i figure by next wednesday this rsync will be done :) | 11:49 |
| timeless | to-check=1379515/1471737 | 11:49 |
| timeless | so it has about 1.5million files to send and it's sent maybe 7%? | 11:50 |
| timeless | anyway, feel free to browser around mxr-test, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/pics/ is vaguely amusing | 11:51 |
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| timeless | (although, i think i've fixed the biggest bug on that page internally *sigh*) | 11:52 |
| pupnik | heh | 11:52 |
| timeless | it's pretty bad, i'm running about 5 copies of this software | 11:52 |
| timeless | plus there are 2 other copies that get occasional syncs | 11:53 |
| timeless | and i do dev work on almost all of them | 11:53 |
| timeless | each install indexes different content, so i basically fix based on which content i need | 11:53 |
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| inz | *grumble* why does date -d support "last friday", but not "last 12:34:56" | 11:54 |
| timeless | what in the world would tha tmean? | 11:54 |
| inz | The 12:34:56 that was within the last 24 hours | 11:54 |
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| inz | I guess I need to compare %s's and if in the future, use yesterday | 11:59 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! | 12:02 |
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| pupnik | is openssh a waste of space compared to dropbear? | 12:11 |
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| * dubdibdub greets you all | 12:14 | |
| * dubdibdub gruesst euch alle | 12:14 | |
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| dubdibdub | HELP WITH SUSPEND..: does anybody know why echo mem > /sys/power/state only works one time?? after reanimating by pressing the power-btn a second echo mem....... does not turn off the screen..!! | 12:17 |
| pupnik | is there a different string you can echo to sys/power/state to re-set it? | 12:19 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:23 |
| pupnik | "Super Mario War"? | 12:23 |
| _Monkey | somebody said "Super Mario War" was http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb | 12:23 |
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| konttori | Have all of you guys had a look at the marcelos blog entry? | 12:35 |
| konttori | http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/mobile-applications/canola-development-update-or-we-are-not-dead | 12:35 |
| konttori | Looks terrific | 12:36 |
| gpd | does anyone have a gnumeric .deb for N800 - I can't find one | 12:37 |
| pupnik | aha bryan.net is the guy who never updated xournal | 12:40 |
| pupnik | gnumeric deb only for it2005 afaict | 12:40 |
| pupnik | http://bgran.net/etrunko/gnumeric/ | 12:40 |
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| pupnik | gnumeric? | 12:40 |
| lnx^ | hey | 12:41 |
| lnx^ | i have a n800 tablet | 12:41 |
| lnx^ | can i get a bluetooth headset working with skype? | 12:41 |
| lnx^ | it doesn't seem to redirect the sound to it automatically when paired at least | 12:41 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6079 lnx^ | 12:42 |
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| gpd | pupnik: yeah, I tried installing that one - but it has arm not armel and is old | 12:42 |
| konttori | I must say that canola 2 looks terrific indeed. And evas seems just perfect. | 12:43 |
| konttori | I'll definately move to using them in the future. I think Nokia should too (for many apps). | 12:43 |
| pupnik | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/g/gnumeric/ gpd | 12:45 |
| lnx^ | pupnik: thanks, so if i install bluetooth alsa i should be able to use skype with it, in addition to just listening to music with it? | 12:45 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: gnumeric is the gnu spreadsheet http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/g/gnumeric/ | 12:45 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 12:45 |
| pupnik | lnx^: haven't tried it | 12:46 |
| _guardian | please, how to make sure that the text i draw using pango will fit a bounding rectangle ? | 12:49 |
| lnx^ | do you happen to know if nokia might be adding native support for it anytime soon? would be nice to be able to use a wireless headset instead of the one with wire | 12:49 |
| dubdibdub | "sshfs"? | 12:52 |
| dubdibdub | how does that "something"? work?? | 12:52 |
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| gpd | pupnik: :( it seems that gnumeric has many dependencies and that the repository is mistral | 13:03 |
| gpd | oh well -- i see reports that it is really heavy anyway | 13:03 |
| gpd | seems a shame since things like tinysheet on PalmOS were handy | 13:03 |
| pupnik | if you add that maemo.org.br site to your repositories it should load dependencies automatically | 13:04 |
| * gpd remembers the days of lotus123 on single floppy | 13:04 | |
| pupnik | i don't see the exact line to add to sources.list though | 13:04 |
| gpd | pupnik: yeah - but i don't really want a mistral repo in my sources.list | 13:04 |
| * gpd adjusts tin foil hat | 13:05 | |
| pupnik | ask the author to do an update | 13:05 |
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| gpd | its a shame that the src debs are not published by default | 13:05 |
| pupnik | i don't have a good sources.list for 2006 handy | 13:05 |
| pupnik | do you have a fairly good one with yummy extras you could post to pastebin.ca or /msg me? | 13:06 |
| gpd | i only have 2007 sources :( | 13:06 |
| pupnik | n800? or 2007he? | 13:06 |
| gpd | n800 with latest firmware | 13:06 |
| pupnik | ok nm. yeah tell that guy to make a bora sdk and do a new build | 13:07 |
| pupnik | porters need feedback | 13:07 |
| pupnik | otherwise it feels like you make something, and nobody uses it or cares | 13:07 |
| pupnik | and then you drop maintenance | 13:07 |
| gpd | I should install my scratchbox again... | 13:07 |
| gpd | not sure who to email as it is INdT brazil with no emial on top page | 13:08 |
| gpd | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/ | 13:08 |
| gpd | http://www.indt.org.br/contact/ | 13:09 |
| gpd | Ok. I sent a message :D | 13:11 |
| * gpd has a strange thought... synergy for maemo... | 13:14 | |
| pupnik | synergy works great! | 13:14 |
| pupnik | google keesj+synergy | 13:14 |
| gpd | wow - just found an old irc log with pupnik <3 synergy! | 13:15 |
| pupnik | synergy? | 13:16 |
| gpd | seems to be gone: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/ | 13:16 |
| gpd | pupnik: don't suppose the mouse works? | 13:17 |
| pupnik | hmm :( | 13:17 |
| * gpd worries about the lack of coordination of packages | 13:18 | |
| Veggen | mmh, maemo contributions *should* be more structured, yes. And source packages! We need thar. | 13:19 |
| pupnik | i know, we're not doing a good job | 13:19 |
| Veggen | that. | 13:19 |
| gpd | how is MUD doing these days? | 13:21 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 13:21 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 13:21 |
| gpd | synergy? | 13:21 |
| _Monkey | somebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 13:21 |
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| pupnik | i have to learn to use mud still | 13:26 |
| * gpd frantically tries to remember how to use synergy... | 13:26 | |
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| gpd | pupnik: I have synergys --daemon on my tablet with a config file - and synergyc tablet on my desktop -- | 13:28 |
| gpd | when the mouse goes offscreen to the right (per config_) should I be able to type on the tablet? | 13:29 |
| pupnik | i put the server on my main desktop and clients on laptop, tablet and 2nd pc | 13:29 |
| gpd | ah synergy connection refused... curious | 13:29 |
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| Jaffa | gpd: going slowly, keesj is still working on bits but I've not had much time recently at all | 13:30 |
| gpd | Jaffa: yeah - I know the feeling of too much work not enough play! | 13:31 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: is there a better place to download synergy? | 13:31 |
| gpd | Synergy 1.3.1: NOTE: CClientProxy1_0.cpp,206: client "Nokia-N800-26" has disconnected :( | 13:32 |
| pupnik | multiboot? | 13:33 |
| gpd | pupnik: ? | 13:33 |
| pupnik | i need to set up multiple OS's on the 770, for backups and testing | 13:34 |
| pupnik | do NOT enjoy going through new setup :| (xterm, ssh, becomeroot, installing tools, removing unneeded media and themes, setting up wlan etc etc etc etc) | 13:35 |
| gpd | yeah - that is another area that needs improvement | 13:35 |
| gpd | bah - synergy isn't working for me, needs more time than i have | 13:36 |
| gpd | pupnik: did you get the mouse owrking or was it just keyboard? | 13:37 |
| pupnik | both | 13:37 |
| gpd | since the N800 doesn't really have a 'mouse'... ? | 13:37 |
| pupnik | to see the mouse you need to enable the mouse cursor | 13:37 |
| gpd | is that scriptfoo magick? | 13:37 |
| pupnik | i don't remember how to do it. the tablet has an invisible mouse cursor bitmap and you have to relink or copy over that | 13:38 |
| gpd | bah - forgetaboutit... /me runs away | 13:38 |
| pupnik | this should probably be in a postinst script in the deb | 13:38 |
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| gpd | anyone got thoughts on the Nokia 6288? | 14:02 |
| jsmanrique | I have a 6280 | 14:03 |
| jsmanrique | I would prefer an e65 ;-) | 14:03 |
| gpd | I am looking at three.co.uk pay as you go and choices are limited: | 14:04 |
| gpd | http://www.three.co.uk/personal/price_plans_/pay_as_you_go_/pick_a_deal.omp | 14:04 |
| jsmanrique | it is not a bad phone | 14:04 |
| gpd | work ok with N800 DUN? | 14:05 |
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| pupnik | Arbeiten! <CRACK!> http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif Arbeiten! | 14:35 |
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| jsmanrique | gpd: no idea, I don't have a n800 but a 770 | 14:51 |
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| inz | fsck, someone had hacked my gateway/server | 15:45 |
| cosmo | how did you notice? | 15:45 |
| inz | cosmo, couldn't log in as root anymore ;) | 15:46 |
| cosmo | you should use sudo anyway ;) | 15:47 |
| inz | cosmo, then I would not have noticed | 15:47 |
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| pupnik | In Maemo/ITOS can i resize a window to take up only a portion of the screen? | 16:21 |
| pupnik | for a simple xlib app | 16:21 |
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| pupnik | setting smaller width with geometry setting does not work. Kdrive seems to force the window width | 16:22 |
| pupnik | or Xomap, whatever the X server should be called | 16:22 |
| Okko | hi, anyone else noticed that when scrolling down in the moz browser the keyboard appears? | 16:23 |
| konttori | Has everybody read this article on Steve Jobs' button attitude? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118532502435077009.html?mod=hpp_us_editors_picks | 16:23 |
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| konttori | Okko: Yeah, the current browser build is not very good one. Nice of nokia to publish alpha build though | 16:25 |
| konttori | I hope they'll release another alpha build soon | 16:25 |
| konttori | one that works better than this one. | 16:26 |
| Okko | konttori: yes, it was nice. Just wanted to make sure that it's not some rare bug/feature I've encoutered. :) | 16:26 |
| tigert | the funniest bug I found is when you edit a passwd field, from then on, all text typed in fields with the thumb keyboard, will be passwords (turns to asterisks :)) | 16:26 |
| tigert | will need to file that one | 16:27 |
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| inz | pupnik, can you set window type hint? | 16:30 |
| pupnik | http://matchbox-project.org/sources/matchbox-keyboard/0.1/ << a vkbd - not compiling for me yet | 16:30 |
| pupnik | http://slappy.cs.uiuc.edu/fall01/team3/download.shtml << another vkbd - not compiling for me yet | 16:31 |
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| pupnik | inz, dunno. at this point i'd be happy to just resize the height (ITOS seems to accept this via the -geometry flag on xkbd) | 16:32 |
| pupnik | ... to get the vkbd out of the way (only obscuring 8-10 pixels at the bottom) | 16:32 |
| pupnik | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbd/ << vkbd that compiles out of the box and runs on top of fullscreen windows | 16:33 |
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| procto | pupnik: is acmonitor supposed to modify the values available in the Display Options window? | 16:43 |
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| pupnik | no procto, that's not included | 16:45 |
| procto | oh, ok | 16:45 |
| procto | network keepalive should help with airdumping :> | 16:45 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704&highlight=acmonitor | 16:45 |
| pupnik | there's how to increase screen blank timeouts | 16:45 |
| procto | pupnik: ah, cool, thanks bunches | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | is there a way to measure current battery consumption or OMAP system power drain? | 16:55 |
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| pupnik | hi unique311 | 16:56 |
| unique311 | hello | 16:58 |
| _Monkey | niihau, unique311 | 16:58 |
| pupnik | it looks like the 0.97 version of maryo is much less developed than the latest (gameplay, graphics) | 17:00 |
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| bilboed | so am I right in believing that with the latest firmware, I can put 4gb/8gb sd cards in the n800 ? | 17:01 |
| unique311 | binary? | 17:01 |
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| unique311 | is it playable pupnik | 17:01 |
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| pupnik | i haven't touched it yet | 17:02 |
| whaq_ | bilboed: yes, check the forum also for a modified kernel that seems (so far) to fix the sd-corruption bug. | 17:03 |
| unique311 | if it compiles and is playable....developing graphics and gameplay can be dealt with by people who are interested in making some magic happen | 17:03 |
| unique311 | might end up messing with it today...gotta get scratchbox going. | 17:04 |
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| timeless | kontorri: what's wrong w/ the browser? | 17:06 |
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| pupnik | Haaahaha Bochs-Gp2x: "Win95 boots in about 6:30 minutes, which is not really bad" | 17:08 |
| unique311 | konttnope | 17:09 |
| unique311 | on the 770 how long? | 17:09 |
| pupnik | don't know | 17:13 |
| pupnik | it's a joke man, try windows on a 8 mhz pc-at | 17:13 |
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| unique311 | scratchbox only plays nice on ubuntu | 17:14 |
| timeless | it doesn't work on debian? | 17:14 |
| unique311 | k, debian it is.. | 17:15 |
| unique311 | how's wifi setup in debian... | 17:15 |
| unique311 | do i have to manually get that up.. | 17:15 |
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| unique311 | having a horrible time with gutsy wifi setup | 17:15 |
| unique311 | and gutsy freezes to the point of having to reboot..not sure thats the type of environment i want to run scratchbox in | 17:16 |
| pupnik | http://sidux.com/ is my favorite deb distro | 17:17 |
| unique311 | your fav, might be someone's nightmare | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | it's like ubuntu but without the fail :) | 17:19 |
| pupnik | or kubuntu rather | 17:19 |
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| tweg | hi, I'm porting an app to the N800, but can't get its icon to appear in the taskbar | 17:30 |
| tweg | (the icon shows up fine in the menu and in the package list) | 17:30 |
| tweg | What do I need to do to get it to show up? | 17:30 |
| tweg | (this is a Python app btw) | 17:34 |
| inz | tweg, your programs WMclass needs to match the Exec-line (after last slash) or you need to specify the WMclass in the .desktop file | 17:34 |
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| tweg | what do you mean by WMclass? | 17:34 |
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| inz | tweg, the WM_CLASS property | 17:36 |
| tweg | a gtk property? | 17:37 |
| inz | tweg, no, an X11/Xlib/whatever property | 17:37 |
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| tweg | I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Would it help to paste the relevant portions of my .desktop file | 17:38 |
| tweg | ? | 17:38 |
| inz | tweg, might, probably doesn't though | 17:38 |
| tweg | so is the taskbar icon specified by the .desktop file or set via gtk? | 17:40 |
| inz | it's specified by the .desktop file | 17:40 |
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| inz | tweg, the Exec-line of your .desktop might tell something | 17:41 |
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| tweg | relevant parts: | 17:41 |
| tweg | Exec=exaile | 17:42 |
| tweg | Icon=exaile | 17:42 |
| tweg | X-Icon-path=/usr/share/icons | 17:42 |
| tweg | X-Window-Icon=exaile | 17:42 |
| tweg | X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true | 17:42 |
| tweg | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable | 17:43 |
| inz | I asked for the Exec-line... | 17:43 |
| inz | Oh, well. | 17:43 |
| tweg | I gave you the Exec line | 17:43 |
| inz | And much more ;) | 17:43 |
| inz | Well, that shouldn't be a prob, are you using Gtk? | 17:44 |
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| tweg | pygtk | 17:44 |
| inz | And the exaile-binary isn't a script that just runs another program? | 17:45 |
| tweg | yes it is a script | 17:45 |
| tweg | shell script | 17:45 |
| inz | That's most likely your problem | 17:46 |
| inz | You should then add line: "StartupWMClass=<the_name_of_the_real_program>" | 17:46 |
| inz | to the .desktop | 17:46 |
| tweg | just the basename (i.e. no directory part)? | 17:47 |
| inz | yes | 17:47 |
| tweg | ta, I'll give it a try | 17:47 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 17:50 |
| tweg | cheers inz, that did the trick. Thanks for your help. :-) | 17:52 |
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| NeoStrider | the garage is dead? | 17:55 |
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| tweg | another (possibly related) question | 18:01 |
| tweg | the title bar text appears as "exaile.py - Exaile Music Player" | 18:01 |
| tweg | even though I have set the title to "Exaile Music Player" | 18:02 |
| NeoStrider | exaile for maemo? | 18:02 |
| NeoStrider | cool! | 18:02 |
| tweg | How do I prevent the "exaile.py - " part showing up? | 18:02 |
| tweg | NeoStrider: yep, it's working, not all the features work properly at this stage tho | 18:03 |
| tweg | good enough for playing playlists tho | 18:03 |
| NeoStrider | works with 770? | 18:03 |
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| tweg | I don't think so; afaik the gstreamer sink interface has changed since then | 18:04 |
| NeoStrider | =-( | 18:04 |
| tweg | wouldn't be too hard to make it work with that | 18:04 |
| NeoStrider | all the cool stuff is for the N800 =-( | 18:04 |
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| NeoStrider | I will make my game 770 exclusive! =-P | 18:05 |
| tweg | well if I had access to a 770 I would fix it for that | 18:05 |
| tweg | I can put it on my todo list if you are willing to alpha test it :-) | 18:05 |
| NeoStrider | count on me | 18:05 |
| unique311 | NeoStrider, super mario war by pupnik | 18:05 |
| pupnik | "super mario war"? | 18:06 |
| NeoStrider | show me that, unique311! | 18:06 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it "super mario war" is http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb | 18:06 |
| unique311 | pretty cool.. | 18:06 |
| unique311 | runs on my N800 | 18:06 |
| pupnik | i wrote the authors a nice compliment on their portability | 18:06 |
| unique311 | 770 not sure it will run | 18:06 |
| NeoStrider | i will test it | 18:07 |
| unique311 | btton map work...fullscreen | 18:07 |
| unique311 | sound | 18:07 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider: if you make improvements please let me know | 18:07 |
| NeoStrider | where is the source? =-) | 18:07 |
| unique311 | do smc | 18:07 |
| tweg | is python-sqlite available for 770? | 18:08 |
| unique311 | super mario chronicles. | 18:08 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik, it needs python? | 18:08 |
| pupnik | svn://svn.72dpiarmy.com/smw | 18:08 |
| pupnik | i don't know, i just ran ./configure && make | 18:09 |
| unique311 | no python | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | cool | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | gtg | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | lunch | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | but I will test it | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | BRB | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | and try to hack it =-) | 18:10 |
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| unique311 | hercules, hercules | 18:10 |
| unique311 | best way to discard cd's that you think harbour valuable info... | 18:10 |
| unique311 | microwave... | 18:10 |
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| NeoStrider | copying the game to the 770... | 18:24 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik, how do you do a "data" package? | 18:25 |
| NeoStrider | ooops...incompatible package | 18:25 |
| pupnik | what version it2006? | 18:25 |
| NeoStrider | gregalle | 18:26 |
| unique311 | i had to dpkg -i to get it installed | 18:26 |
| NeoStrider | i will build it for it2006 | 18:26 |
| NeoStrider | i will try this ,then | 18:26 |
| pupnik | i built under gregale :/ | 18:26 |
| NeoStrider | are you root on the device? | 18:28 |
| pupnik | no | 18:28 |
| NeoStrider | whats the root password for gregalle? | 18:29 |
| pupnik | rootme? | 18:29 |
| NeoStrider | didnt worked | 18:30 |
| NeoStrider | how did you installled it? | 18:31 |
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| unique311 | sudo gainroot | 18:32 |
| unique311 | and the dpkg -i .deb | 18:32 |
| unique311 | and the dpkg -i *.deb | 18:33 |
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| pupnik | i'd love to see a sdl remake of 'Joust' | 18:36 |
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| NeoStrider | pupnik, it gave me a funny message | 18:43 |
| NeoStrider | cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? | 18:43 |
| NeoStrider | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 18:43 |
| NeoStrider | whats that? | 18:43 |
| unique311 | red pill mode | 18:44 |
| unique311 | show's packages that cannot be seen in blue pill mode | 18:44 |
| NeoStrider | wow...I only knew it from graphical instructions | 18:44 |
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| NeoStrider | ok...but how to proceed now? | 18:44 |
| unique311 | application manager | 18:44 |
| _Monkey | somebody said application manager was a lot safer than alternatives | 18:44 |
| NeoStrider | im still a $ | 18:45 |
| NeoStrider | how to become #? | 18:45 |
| unique311 | i will show you.. | 18:45 |
| unique311 | you need to install becomeroot | 18:45 |
| pupnik | this game is hilarious | 18:45 |
| unique311 | application manager | 18:45 |
| _Monkey | i guess application manager is a lot safer than alternatives | 18:45 |
| NeoStrider | will need wifi? | 18:45 |
| NeoStrider | I dont have connectivity right now | 18:45 |
| unique311 | yes | 18:46 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 18:46 |
| NeoStrider | why you cant install it the common way? | 18:46 |
| NeoStrider | double tapping it? | 18:46 |
| NeoStrider | (how to disable the red pill mode?) | 18:46 |
| unique311 | hey maybe you can extract the contents of the deb file | 18:46 |
| unique311 | and manually place them in location | 18:47 |
| unique311 | not sure red pill mode is enable for you.. | 18:47 |
| NeoStrider | or just run it =-) | 18:47 |
| NeoStrider | how to extract it? | 18:47 |
| unique311 | in ubuntu...right click on the package and extract all | 18:47 |
| unique311 | in windows you need 7zip. | 18:48 |
| unique311 | maybe unrar will work.. | 18:48 |
| NeoStrider | ok...so you mean using a desktop | 18:48 |
| NeoStrider | ok...im on ubuntu right now | 18:48 |
| unique311 | yes | 18:48 |
| unique311 | right click on the deb pack | 18:48 |
| unique311 | and extract all | 18:48 |
| NeoStrider | how the game expect to see the data? where? | 18:49 |
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| unique311 | extract data | 18:49 |
| unique311 | NeoStrider, you are trying to install smw, correct? | 18:49 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 18:50 |
| NeoStrider | got all the data dirs | 18:50 |
| unique311 | now send them to you device | 18:50 |
| unique311 | r | 18:50 |
| NeoStrider | yeah..doing it right now | 18:51 |
| NeoStrider | I've got everything | 18:51 |
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| unique311 | might need to chmod +x smw when you transfer it to the device | 18:52 |
| pupnik | data goes in /usr/share/smw | 18:53 |
| NeoStrider | can i just put everything on a directory and run from there? | 18:54 |
| NeoStrider | or the game looks for everything on /usr/share/smw? | 18:54 |
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| unique311 | not sure.. | 18:55 |
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| unique311 | should be able to.. | 18:55 |
| NeoStrider | gonna try | 18:55 |
| unique311 | but then you have to run the game from command line like so. usr/share/smw/smw | 18:56 |
| NeoStrider | how did you built the package? | 18:56 |
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| pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 18:57 |
| NeoStrider | but then, how did it dont install under gregalle? | 18:57 |
| NeoStrider | you used the stock autoconf files or created new ones for the maemo port? | 18:57 |
| pupnik | all stock. i just made some changes now | 18:58 |
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| NeoStrider | it must be it | 18:58 |
| NeoStrider | why dont you try using maemowizard , to make a quick package? | 18:58 |
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| pupnik | because i would have to type in every single object file into maemowizard | 19:00 |
| NeoStrider | just do a "ls", copy and paste it ;-) | 19:00 |
| NeoStrider | well | 19:00 |
| NeoStrider | "ERROR: Empty map directory!" | 19:01 |
| pupnik | thank you for the feedback though NeoStrider | 19:01 |
| pupnik | i will set up the menu | 19:01 |
| pupnik | section has to be user/other and not 'games' i think | 19:01 |
| NeoStrider | i will try to build a package with the maemowizard | 19:01 |
| unique311 | i got that | 19:01 |
| pupnik | good! | 19:02 |
| unique311 | the empty map directory | 19:02 |
| unique311 | did you do the same for the data.deb pack | 19:02 |
| NeoStrider | i gtg now | 19:02 |
| NeoStrider | work | 19:02 |
| unique311 | ok | 19:02 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...all under ~/MyDocs/.documents/ | 19:02 |
| unique311 | no | 19:02 |
| NeoStrider | thanks guys | 19:02 |
| NeoStrider | see you all later | 19:02 |
| unique311 | belong in usr/share | 19:02 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...but I cant write on there | 19:02 |
| unique311 | true | 19:03 |
| unique311 | k. | 19:03 |
| NeoStrider | bye | 19:03 |
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| unique311 | so i'm the only one with a working version of smw | 19:03 |
| unique311 | not fun... | 19:03 |
| unique311 | maybe i should put out a video...get interest going. | 19:03 |
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| pupnik | testing with app manager on a clean 2.2 / it2006 install | 19:09 |
| pupnik | "incompatible package" :) | 19:10 |
| pupnik | ahh i need to update the data files too duh | 19:11 |
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| pupnik | who remembers how to get a deb package to prompt where to install data files... | 19:15 |
| Mikho | I'd like to know how to get my program know where the deb package threw the data files in the end | 19:17 |
| pupnik | haahaha they made the bin depend on the data and the data depend on the bin | 19:17 |
| Mikho | I don't like hardcoding strings like /usr/share/myapp/ | 19:17 |
| pupnik | yes Mikho the /usr/share things can sometimes go to mmc | 19:18 |
| Mikho | mmc? | 19:18 |
| pupnik | /media/mmc1 or mmc2 | 19:18 |
| pupnik | the storage cards | 19:18 |
| pupnik | looki in debian/install to see where the package puts files | 19:19 |
| Mikho | yes, but I'd like to know what kind of code should I write in the .cpp files | 19:19 |
| pupnik | ohh | 19:19 |
| pupnik | you can define target directories with autotools / automake/autoconf | 19:20 |
| pupnik | these get passed to your program in the make step | 19:20 |
| pupnik | but you want to do this at runtime... yesss | 19:21 |
| pupnik | me too :) | 19:21 |
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| Presence_ | hey guys, who has gotten kicked in the nuts with the nokia/buy.com crap? | 19:30 |
| jjazz | Presence_: what are you referring to? | 19:30 |
| Presence_ | the 770 failes (within 30 days of receipt...12 days in my case). Buy.com wont let you return it, nokia says buy.com isnt an authorized reseller and wont honor the warranty | 19:31 |
| Mikho | yes, it seems there's no easy way to figure out run-time where the data files went | 19:31 |
| Mikho | I wonder how the real programmers do it | 19:32 |
| jjazz | Presence_: Ah. That is a problem. | 19:32 |
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| Presence_ | jjaz: yeah, its pissing me off | 19:32 |
| jjazz | Presence_: There might be consumer protection laws that apply. | 19:33 |
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| pupnik | Presence_: the laws vary from state to state | 19:35 |
| jjazz | I'd like to restart the x server on my N800. Anybody know what process I need to kill? | 19:35 |
| pupnik | i think a DOA case is 10 days, after 10 days it's a RMA, which goes back to mfgr | 19:35 |
| Presence_ | yeah, which puts me in a shitty spot | 19:36 |
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| zuh | jjazz: Xomap would be the server, but killing that will give you reboot anyway so might as well just reboot directly... | 19:46 |
| pupnik | when you flash a new ITOS, how many applications can you install from Application manager? | 19:46 |
| pupnik | any guesses? | 19:46 |
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| pupnik | The answer is 3. You can install 3 applications with the default repositories. maemoblocks, maemopad and mediastreamer. | 19:47 |
| pupnik | lol | 19:47 |
| Shurik | am I missing a trivia night at #maemo? | 19:47 |
| jjazz | zuh: Yeah, I discovered that one the hard way. :P Interestingly, X was not responding well to taps while I had vnc serve running. Then the server was likewise not responding. But it answered ssh, so the device wasn't down. | 19:47 |
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| pupnik | can you imagine a non-techy person seeing this? :) they'd go "there's no software for it!" and give it to their nephew for christmas. :P | 19:49 |
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| Mikho | how did you find out how many programs can you install? | 19:50 |
| pupnik | i clicked on update in the application manager | 19:50 |
| pupnik | then i clicked on 'install new applications' | 19:50 |
| pupnik | and that was the list :) | 19:51 |
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| Mikho | I wonder if you can install even those, since the mistral repos seem to be broken | 19:51 |
| Mikho | the catalogue files apt-get and others get seem to be alright, but the actual .deb packages aren't where they're supposed to be | 19:52 |
| pupnik | :) | 19:53 |
| Mikho | and, application manager just says "unable to install" | 19:54 |
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| _guardian | i know nothing about cairo | 19:57 |
| pupnik | oh well, it's all free! | 19:57 |
| _guardian | is it integrated with gtk now ? | 19:57 |
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| dragorn | in the real world, yes | 19:59 |
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| dragorn | in maemo, looks like they're still backleveled on gtk to the point where it is not | 19:59 |
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| dragorn | (or so a quick ls of usr/lib/ would seem to imply) | 19:59 |
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| _guardian | i have /usr/lib/libcairo.so on the device though | 20:00 |
| _guardian | n800 | 20:00 |
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| dragorn | I don't, on a clean flash, so i suspect that came from a package you installed? | 20:01 |
| _guardian | ah maybe | 20:01 |
| _guardian | did not think about that | 20:01 |
| dragorn | it's possible I missed it, too | 20:02 |
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| gpd | as a bluetooth->phone newbie - should I expect to be able to connect N800 to phone and transfer files? | 20:37 |
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| milhouse | gpd - yes | 20:40 |
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| milhouse | gpd - via file manager on the n800, you should be able to transfer files over BT as standard | 20:41 |
| Shurik_ | but it is painfully slow | 20:41 |
| gpd | milhouse: fab - thanks | 20:41 |
| gpd | I was looking at dataplans for UK but all seem crazy | 20:42 |
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| milhouse | i guess that depends on the phone but yes, not lightning fast - BT 2.0 phones will only manage 250K bytes/second at most (BT 1.0 a lot less) | 20:42 |
| milhouse | T-Mobile and 3 have the best | 20:42 |
| milhouse | 3 certainly have the best offering as long as you don't mind breaking their Ts&Cs | 20:43 |
| gpd | well i ended up with vodafone and a payg phone - so i'm probably screwed | 20:43 |
| milhouse | £5/month, 1GB capped - no modem use allowed (but they don't seem to care) | 20:43 |
| gpd | but i decided it was going to be so expensive i didn't care | 20:43 |
| gpd | that is on a 20/mo plan or something though :( | 20:44 |
| milhouse | yeah, it's in addition to a voice plan - I don't think anyone offers data only | 20:44 |
| milhouse | what are your PAYG costs on voda? | 20:45 |
| gpd | I just want to be able to grab a few megabytes from my N800 through my phone occasionally | 20:45 |
| gpd | 30p/min for first 3min and then 10p/min | 20:45 |
| milhouse | suppose it will work out cheaper as long as you keep your usage quite low | 20:45 |
| gpd | my uszge iz zero | 20:46 |
| milhouse | very cheap then :) | 20:46 |
| gpd | aye :D | 20:46 |
| milhouse | but you say per minute.... that's odd | 20:46 |
| gpd | that was voice | 20:46 |
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| milhouse | how does that work for data - i guess an always on connection (like GPRS) is out of the question | 20:46 |
| gpd | no sign of data on PAYG :( | 20:47 |
| milhouse | what about data costs? | 20:47 |
| milhouse | ah, ok | 20:47 |
| gpd | I just gave up on it | 20:47 |
| gpd | i can hop onto a wifi access point if i am desperate: cloud etc | 20:47 |
| pupnik | i can't believe they broke the mistral repos at maemo.org | 20:49 |
| pupnik | what's the news on that? | 20:49 |
| pupnik | no more osso-xterm for me? | 20:49 |
| milhouse | these guys need to get syndicated on planet... http://www.intomobile.com/2007/07/26/mauku-jaiku-client-for-nokia-770n800-internet-tablets.html | 20:49 |
| milhouse | either maemoapps or the app author | 20:50 |
| pupnik | oh just s/mistral/gregale i get it | 20:52 |
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| bergie | milhouse: I can add that... does he have maemo-only feed? | 20:53 |
| milhouse | i've no idea, sorry - just found it on the intomobile site | 20:53 |
| milhouse | i'm not sure if the authors site is a blog or not - can't see any obvious tags | 20:54 |
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| bergie | this *could* be good enough: http://www.intomobile.com/category/manufacturers/nokia | 20:54 |
| milhouse | but maemoapps seems to be tagged. | 20:54 |
| milhouse | maemoapps.com | 20:54 |
| bergie | ok... maybe I better run this through Ferenc :-) | 20:56 |
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| bergie | oh well, just adding... | 20:57 |
| justindnb | Hello! I'm receiving the following error (http://paste-it.net/2985) when attempting to do a fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade | 20:57 |
| milhouse | intomobile.com is a "professional" blogging site, i don't know if there are any issues there. | 20:58 |
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| bergie | that maemoapps feedburner feed seems to have issues | 20:59 |
| bergie | ah, got it working... feedburner is slow so the aggregator was timing out the fetch | 21:00 |
| milhouse | cool :) | 21:00 |
| milhouse | i can see them on planet maemo now - nice! :) | 21:01 |
| bergie | his HTML is totally broken though | 21:01 |
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| * bergie wonders if the planet should start running feeds through HTML Tidy :-) | 21:01 | |
| milhouse | yeah, the planet entries seem to have odd links at the bottom | 21:01 |
| milhouse | and the formatting is a little odd | 21:02 |
| bergie | that is quite normal feedburner I think, but formatting sucks... lots of <p>s | 21:02 |
| bergie | end of sentence</p> <p></p> <p>start of sentence etc | 21:02 |
| milhouse | oh well... as long as it doesn't break the planet :) | 21:03 |
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| bergie | milhouse: yep. I'll think of the Tidy stuff, though. I'm doing some RSS import things anyway | 21:04 |
| milhouse | we might have a problem though | 21:05 |
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| milhouse | I first viewed in Firefox - no problem (but then I don't have the javascript console enabled) | 21:05 |
| milhouse | then i tested in ie 7.0 and planet maemo is not throwing up an error dialog | 21:05 |
| milhouse | not sure if it's related to the new feed or not | 21:05 |
| bergie | probably is | 21:05 |
| bergie | hmm | 21:06 |
| milhouse | line 137, char 14 - expected identifier | 21:06 |
| bergie | now that I look at it in detail the HTML is really odd | 21:08 |
| milhouse | it's worth running code through firefox with the javascript console and strict javascript enabled... there are js errors in maemo such as this: | 21:09 |
| bergie | too bad, his content looks quite useful | 21:09 |
| milhouse | if (result = !!(iterator || Prototype.K)(value, index)) | 21:09 |
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| milhouse | unless the code is really assigning a value to result... | 21:10 |
| milhouse | prototype.js is full of these errors... when i last used that library we fixed them all | 21:11 |
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| bergie | we're switching to jQuery everywhere, actually | 21:12 |
| milhouse | k... but as a rule the firefox js error console is incredibly informative :) | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | is canola worth installing| | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | ? | 21:13 |
| milhouse | it was always my goal to have zero warnings :) | 21:13 |
| milhouse | (and zero errors, too!) | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | it looks interesting | 21:14 |
| milhouse | bergie - out of interest, why are you switching to jquery? what advantages does it have over prototype? | 21:14 |
| pupnik | aha smw needs more RAM | 21:15 |
| lsobral | cbx33, of course it is worth installing canola! | 21:16 |
| lsobral | I enjoy using canola very much, despite the fact that I am a developer of it :P | 21:16 |
| bergie | milhouse: speed, some clarity... http://jquery.com/blog/2006/08/20/why-jquerys-philosophy-is-better/ | 21:17 |
| cbx33 | lsobral, ahhh biased biased :p | 21:17 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 21:17 |
| lsobral | hehehe | 21:17 |
| milhouse | bergie - thanks, i'll take a look | 21:17 |
| cbx33 | lsobral, i have an n800 will i encounter the vsync errors? | 21:17 |
| cbx33 | does it play.....ANYTHING? | 21:17 |
| cbx33 | like mplayer | 21:17 |
| lsobral | cbx33, in the N800 we still have the tearing problem (vsync), but it happens for all apps so this is no show stopper | 21:18 |
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| cbx33 | i've never seen it | 21:19 |
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| cbx33 | what are file formats like supporting wise | 21:19 |
| Milandor | HI | 21:19 |
| _Monkey | niihau, Milandor | 21:19 |
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| lsobral | canola uses the same underlying media-engine of the default video player, but you can also add mplayer as a backend for canola | 21:19 |
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| lsobral | cbx33, the tearing appears more with horizontal scrolling, in animation effects | 21:20 |
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| cbx33 | ahh | 21:21 |
| lsobral | cbx33, you can look at gconf (better with the gconf-editor) in the app/osso-media-server the supported formats for the media engine | 21:22 |
| cbx33 | ok | 21:22 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | I'm liking canola | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | is it just for tablets? | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | looks like it'd be a nice platform for media on a pc too | 21:23 |
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| lsobral | cbx33, I am using it right now on my desktop :) | 21:25 |
| cbx33 | coool | 21:25 |
| lsobral | but for now it is only release for maemo tablets | 21:25 |
| cbx33 | :( | 21:26 |
| cbx33 | and it's not OSS | 21:26 |
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| cbx33 | is it planned to be? | 21:26 |
| lsobral | it will be OSS, but for legal delays, the code is not open yet | 21:26 |
| cbx33 | the whole thing will be OSS? | 21:27 |
| cbx33 | how long do you think it'll take? | 21:27 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 21:27 |
| cbx33 | maybe I'll give it a shot | 21:27 |
| cbx33 | you've impressed me so far | 21:27 |
| lsobral | now that we are moving the UI to evas/edje it will be much easier to run canola in a variety of platforms because the UI will be scalable | 21:28 |
| cbx33 | the only thing that annoys me with my n800 is that last time I connected it to a PC, I lost all the data on my memo card | 21:28 |
| cbx33 | lsobral, awesome | 21:28 |
| cbx33 | when is the next release due out? | 21:28 |
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| lsobral | it will take a bit of time because we are in the middle of heavy changes for better, take a look at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/07/25/canola-improvements-coming/ | 21:29 |
| cbx33 | any one else experienced that problem? | 21:29 |
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| cbx33 | with the media card getting corrupted | 21:29 |
| cbx33 | when connecting to a pc | 21:30 |
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| ||cw | cbx33: did you "eject" it or just unplug | 21:30 |
| cbx33 | i did eject it | 21:30 |
| cbx33 | that time it was fine | 21:30 |
| cbx33 | but i had an instance yesterday | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | I was saving a 10Mb file from the Web onto the mmc2 card | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | and it just"lost" the card | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | I had to reboot for it to find it again | 21:31 |
| lsobral | cbx33, there is a bug in maemo bugzilla with other people that had the problem of having their mmc corrupted | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | 1204 | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | i know it | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | i can't wait till they fix it | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | it's the bain of my n800 at the mo | 21:31 |
| cbx33 | I'm scared to ever connect it to a pc again | 21:31 |
| lsobral | cbx33, give canola a try and give us your feedback! :) | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | ls | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | lsobral, how big is the download? | 21:32 |
| lsobral | around 5MB | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | ok | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | i'll give it a go | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | problem is I don't have any audio | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | cos I'm scared of connecting it to the pc as i don't want to lose everything again | 21:33 |
| cbx33 | it sucks | 21:34 |
| cbx33 | the only thing I don't like about my n800 | 21:35 |
| gpd | [offtopic (again): any suggestions for free ringtone sites that are not a scam?] | 21:35 |
| gpd | I just want a classic oldskool 'ring-ring' | 21:36 |
| gpd | the sort of thing this would make: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_dial | 21:37 |
| pupnik | what is a ringtone format? .au, wav, mid, mod? | 21:37 |
| gpd | some are mp3 | 21:37 |
| cbx33 | mine is | 21:37 |
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| gpd | I've never given a crap before - but I know that the ringtone world is filth incarnate | 21:37 |
| pupnik | why do people pay for them? | 21:38 |
| cbx33 | no idea | 21:38 |
| gpd | fools | 21:38 |
| rshortt | I can't wait til my 6275i cable arrives... hello custom mp3 ringtones | 21:38 |
| pupnik | are phones drm-locked for playback of ringtones? | 21:38 |
| cbx33 | no | 21:38 |
| pupnik | stuff like that makes me feel like i live on another planet from these people | 21:39 |
| pupnik | btw Super Mario Wars did need more than 64MB ram - it runs with swap enabled | 21:40 |
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| pupnik | great game... horrible dpad | 21:55 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: forget "Super Mario War" | 22:01 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot "super mario war" | 22:01 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: "Super Mario War" is a player-vs-player platform game with a mario theme. Packages for 770 (and N800) are at http://pupnik.de/smw.html . Works in Progress, but playable! | 22:03 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 22:03 |
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| Disconnect | is garage down or is it just sucking to be me today? | 22:12 |
| milhouse | disconnect - garage does look like it might be down here (UK) | 22:14 |
| milhouse | garage.maemo.org ain't responding | 22:14 |
| Presence_ | if you havent had your device fail within 3 weeks and didnt buy your device from buy.com you haventbeen sucking | 22:14 |
| pupnik | that does suck. except for not having paid much for it | 22:14 |
| Presence_ | $140 is $140 :( | 22:15 |
| Presence_ | plus I bought a 2g MMC for it, which is useless for anything else | 22:15 |
| milhouse | Presence - I presume Nokia are repairing it? | 22:16 |
| pupnik | heh 7 months ago i spent $400 | 22:16 |
| pupnik | or 8 | 22:16 |
| milhouse | Could have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January | 22:16 |
| milhouse | s/January/January 2007/ | 22:17 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: Could have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January 2007 | 22:17 |
| Presence_ | milhouse: nope. They said that buy.com isnt an authorized retailer and they refuse to honor the warranty | 22:17 |
| milhouse | that's just bollox | 22:17 |
| Presence_ | milhouse: but then I wouldnt have to pay for repair | 22:17 |
| Presence_ | mil: I agree. | 22:18 |
| Presence_ | Im totally pissed about it | 22:18 |
| milhouse | don't you have some sort of trading standards ? | 22:18 |
| Presence_ | apparently you can circumvent them with a simple paragraph | 22:18 |
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| pupnik | which is why they're cheap | 22:18 |
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| pupnik | purchasers don't bear the cost of those repairs/RMAs | 22:19 |
| milhouse | in the uk, Trading Standards are a government organisation that prevent vendors and manufacturers from getting away with this crap | 22:19 |
| milhouse | let me guess - has your 770 failed with the WSOD, a known design flaw? | 22:19 |
| milhouse | WSOD == White Screen of Death | 22:19 |
| pupnik | and prices are 2-3 times higher as a result of that, and other policies | 22:19 |
| Presence_ | milhouse: from what nokia said, this may be why buy has them cheap...they are international versions they couldnt dump | 22:19 |
| milhouse | _everyone_ has them cheap right now | 22:19 |
| Presence_ | yes, a white screen with grey verticle bars | 22:19 |
| milhouse | not just buy.com | 22:20 |
| pupnik | in germany they are twice as expensive | 22:20 |
| milhouse | Presence - yes, you have in your hands a fault entirely due to Nokia design | 22:20 |
| Presence_ | the device doesnt even display the nokia logo | 22:20 |
| milhouse | I'd go back to Nokia and pursue the design flaw angle | 22:20 |
| milhouse | It seems that buy.com have the bad batch :( in the UK several vendors are selling 770s cheap | 22:21 |
| Presence_ | I have been kicking them both in the ass | 22:21 |
| milhouse | and i'm sure many of them are legit (Amazon, expansys) | 22:21 |
| Presence_ | but I dont think it will go anywhere | 22:21 |
| Presence_ | Im going to lambaste them both if I dont get resolution | 22:21 |
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| milhouse | I feel for you mate, I'd be livid (particularly with Nokia - it's their fault, they should repair it) | 22:22 |
| Presence_ | yes | 22:22 |
| Presence_ | they are stating that I have an invalid serial number (WLAN ID) so they may do nothing | 22:25 |
| Presence_ | I plugged in the device, and an hour later, it wouldnt boot anymore | 22:25 |
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| milhouse | how do you mean invalid WLAN id? invalid in the sense the device was meant for sale abroad? | 22:26 |
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| zyxulnaga | what's the max write speed you can get in those minisd cards in the n800? | 22:28 |
| zyxulnaga | I am doing some packet capture and it's only grabbing 20% of the traffic | 22:28 |
| zyxulnaga | either the wireless driver can't handle the packets or the write speed in the mmc is slow | 22:29 |
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| Presence_ | its invalid as they cant track it and dont know if its a legit device | 22:29 |
| Presence_ | its fine for wifi, cause thats how I used it | 22:29 |
| milhouse | hmm... why would anyone fake a WLAN MAC address? | 22:30 |
| milhouse | can you type it here? | 22:30 |
| timtimred | lol, dont you have any consumer rights wherever you are? | 22:30 |
| Presence_ | nonono | 22:30 |
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| Presence_ | the WLAN ID is what they use for a serial number | 22:30 |
| Presence_ | they say its not a valid serial # | 22:31 |
| milhouse | ok, first 6 digits? | 22:31 |
| milhouse | not going to be much use to anyone if it's invalid... :) | 22:31 |
| Presence_ | if I was home I would tell you | 22:31 |
| Presence_ | it was 00:16 something | 22:31 |
| milhouse | k | 22:31 |
| milhouse | mine is 00:19... | 22:31 |
| Presence_ | but its not an invalid WLAN ID, its an invalid serial | 22:31 |
| milhouse | althogh 00:16 is assigned to Nokia also | 22:32 |
| milhouse | yes, i know... | 22:32 |
| Presence_ | right... | 22:32 |
| Presence_ | this is one way nokia dumps the devices without the repair responsibility | 22:33 |
| milhouse | both my n800s have wlan macs starting with 00:19:4F:9E | 22:34 |
| milhouse | are you sure you read it correctly? :) | 22:34 |
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| milhouse | if you go to this page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php it won't accept a mac starting 0016 (I just changed my 0019... to 0016...) | 22:36 |
| zakx | HWaddr 00:19:4F:9E: | 22:36 |
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| Presence_ | I might have remembered wrong, but I dont think so | 22:36 |
| milhouse | will be interesting to see if that page accepts your WLAN MAC... if not, somehow your label is wrong or faked. does ifconfig (as root) tally with the label/sticker? | 22:36 |
| Presence_ | when I go to the support page it says invalid serial | 22:37 |
| milhouse | if the page _does_ accept your WLAN MAC, then you have one part of Nokia validating your MAC (the software download page) and another part which doesn't validate it | 22:37 |
| milhouse | at least they're consistent then... | 22:37 |
| Presence_ | hold on | 22:37 |
| Presence_ | Ill put it from my wap mac filter list | 22:37 |
| Presence_ | I have Remote access to that through an ssh tunnel | 22:38 |
| Presence_ | 00:19:FD:48 | 22:38 |
| Presence_ | so I remembered wrong | 22:38 |
| Presence_ | 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB | 22:38 |
| Presence_ | thats the full mac | 22:38 |
| milhouse | yep, duff mac | 22:39 |
| milhouse | according to the software download page | 22:39 |
| milhouse | how strange is that? | 22:39 |
| Presence_ | but this is a 770 | 22:39 |
| Presence_ | does the 800 support page care? | 22:39 |
| milhouse | ah...sheettt... good point :) | 22:40 |
| Presence_ | the device mac DOES actually exist on the wifi adapter...and it does work | 22:40 |
| milhouse | and still duff on the 770 page | 22:40 |
| Presence_ | its not wrong or faked...its just the buy.com/nokia responsibility fiasco | 22:40 |
| Presence_ | its invalid because they know that buy.com has the device with that serial Im sure | 22:41 |
| milhouse | my 770 (from Nov 2005) is 00:14:A7:FA | 22:41 |
| Presence_ | and they are an "unauthorized" vendor...now I can understand that if its a "clone" that would matter, but I dont think thats the problem | 22:41 |
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| zyxulnaga | I wonder why nokia is not doing anything about fixing monitor mode in their wireless drivers | 22:42 |
| milhouse | i don't think this has anything to do with buy.com... how has you 770 got a duff WLAN MAC address? Wherever you bought it from, legit or not, you have a device for which it is impossible to download software for starters | 22:42 |
| milhouse | even if you bought that device from nokia themselves, your mac address is wrong according to the 770 software download page... how did that happen? | 22:43 |
| Presence_ | I already downloaded updates | 22:43 |
| milhouse | makes me wonder if this is an internal cockup within nokia | 22:43 |
| Presence_ | I installed the most recent version of the firmware | 22:43 |
| milhouse | when i entered your 770 MAC address into the 770 download page it said "Product ID not valid" | 22:44 |
| Presence_ | they just now or recently removed it to screw me :( | 22:44 |
| Presence_ | cause it worked 2 weeks ago | 22:44 |
| milhouse | hmm... i suppose that's a possibility | 22:44 |
| milhouse | they've zapped all the buy.com addresses... maybe | 22:44 |
| milhouse | but that just sounds crazy | 22:45 |
| Presence_ | when I requested support they actually have a clause that says "contact buy.com if you have problems with your device, we will not honor the warranty" | 22:45 |
| Presence_ | support has told me to send it in, but they dont know its from buy.com yet | 22:45 |
| milhouse | i don't know the legal ins and outs, but that sounds shakey | 22:46 |
| Presence_ | they require a proof of purchase when I ship it back | 22:46 |
| milhouse | when i sent my n800 in for repair, i didn't have to provide proof of purchase | 22:46 |
| milhouse | (not the same i know, but nokia uk didn't ask me where i bought it) | 22:46 |
| milhouse | and i don't recall sending them my mac address either | 22:46 |
| Presence_ | thats cause you guys have better buyer protection laws | 22:47 |
| milhouse | before they agreed to pick it up | 22:47 |
| milhouse | possibly but i thought in the us the consumer was king? :) | 22:47 |
| Disconnect | lots of vendors sell off dodgy gear to places where it isn't supposed to reenter the retail chain - generally it gets broken for parts or sold 'as-is'. recording serial numbers (or changing them) is a good way to ensure that they don't have to support something they already decided was bad.. | 22:47 |
| Disconnect | (i had an ibm drive a few years back that was sent to china to be broken for parts, instead it ended up at fry's.. they replaced it for me cuz they wanted to track down how it got back into the country) | 22:47 |
| milhouse | (you are in the US, right?) | 22:47 |
| milhouse | disconnect - this could look very bad for nokia if buy.com sell a ton of 770s, and nokia refuse any support, even blocking a user from downloading essential firmware | 22:48 |
| Disconnect | maybe. or whichever vendor in the chain acted against their agreement might have to replace a ton of units, which would work great for nokia | 22:48 |
| milhouse | and also, it seems that buy.com are offloading devices which still suffer from the WSoD... not sure I've seen a Woot! user with a WSoD yet, only buy.com buyers | 22:48 |
| V-I-P | lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln | 22:49 |
| V-I-P | ooops wrong window | 22:49 |
| milhouse | V-I-P - you've peaked my interest so... | 22:49 |
| milhouse | _monkey translate from de lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln | 22:49 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: read times the things over eye laser treatment, loud http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung can lasik that well treat | 22:49 |
| milhouse | i've considered lasik... but i've got dual astygmatism (apparently) so can't have it. :( | 22:50 |
| V-I-P | its german by the way | 22:50 |
| milhouse | kah | 22:50 |
| milhouse | s/kah/jah/ | 22:50 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: jah | 22:50 |
| milhouse | :) | 22:50 |
| V-I-P | did you use babelfish ? | 22:51 |
| sp3000 | piqued, dammit :| | 22:51 |
| milhouse | no i asked _monkey to translate | 22:51 |
| * sp3000 is being randomly annoying | 22:51 | |
| V-I-P | ok | 22:51 |
| milhouse | sp3000 - thanks for the correction, how embarassing! :) | 22:51 |
| milhouse | Presence - according to this page, http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=nokia, 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB isn't even assigned to Nokia... | 22:52 |
| milhouse | that's actually a Nintendo MAC... Wii by any chance? | 22:53 |
| milhouse | or a DS.. | 22:53 |
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| Presence_ | crap | 22:55 |
| Presence_ | you are right | 22:55 |
| milhouse | hehe | 22:55 |
| Presence_ | thats the wii I just installed | 22:55 |
| Disconnect | lol | 22:55 |
| Presence_ | for my kids | 22:55 |
| milhouse | yeah yeah, "for the kids" - ok ;) | 22:55 |
| Presence_ | sorry guys, working and talking :) | 22:55 |
| Presence_ | 00:16:4E:98:9C:88 | 22:56 |
| Presence_ | thats it | 22:56 |
| florian | re | 22:56 |
| Presence_ | so I did remember 00:16 correct | 22:56 |
| Presence_ | dumb | 22:56 |
| milhouse | yep, that's accepted as valid by the 770 download page | 22:57 |
| milhouse | and it's a Nokia MAC | 22:57 |
| Presence_ | sorry, engineering a network solution and doing this at the same time :) | 22:57 |
| milhouse | dunno what else to suggest really... but i wish you the best of luck | 22:58 |
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| Presence_ | heh, thanks :) | 23:08 |
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| guardian | good evening maemo | 23:17 |
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| roundeye | how can i change the name server that im useing? | 23:40 |
| roundeye | i look in the /etc/resove.conf file it says 127.0.0.1 | 23:41 |
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| cosmo | in the advanced settings of connection | 23:43 |
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| roundeye | ok | 23:44 |
| roundeye | thank you | 23:44 |
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| roundeye | cosmo where is it? | 23:44 |
| roundeye | control panel > ? | 23:45 |
| cosmo | connection manager | 23:45 |
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| roundeye | i am useing mistral on 770 | 23:47 |
| roundeye | i dont see conection manger | 23:47 |
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| roundeye | is that suposed to be under controll panel | 23:47 |
| roundeye | sorry nubing out | 23:48 |
| soothsayer | Can anyone recommend a countup timer utility? Ideally a gnome-applet, a plugin for gkrellm or a standalone graphical app. By countup timer I mean something that displays the days since a specified date. | 23:48 |
| cosmo | w8, i'll get my 770 | 23:48 |
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| cosmo | tools->connection manager | 23:49 |
| roundeye | im there and i dont se any where to specifi the name server | 23:50 |
| roundeye | i can see my name server that im using but i cant see where to change | 23:50 |
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| cosmo | tools->connectivity->connections->edit->nextnextnext->advanced | 23:51 |
| roundeye | um is it tools > connection manager? | 23:54 |
| roundeye | i dont have tools connectivity | 23:54 |
| roundeye | i have contol pannel > conectivety | 23:54 |
| cosmo | in connection manager | 23:54 |
| cosmo | there is menu called tools | 23:54 |
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| roundeye | thank you | 23:55 |
| roundeye | for you help and patience | 23:55 |
| cosmo | np, it's quite well hidden | 23:56 |
| cosmo | usually wifi has dhcp | 23:56 |
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| roundeye | i know but i dont want to use there name servers they are broken :9 | 23:57 |
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