| thoughtfix | Like a good girlfriend, bugzilla is. | 00:00 |
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| milhouse | hurrah... just booted 4.2007 with high speed and wide data bus support :) | 00:00 |
| pupnik | bburd: there should be an updated version somewhere - i can't test anything with gps | 00:00 |
| milhouse | all good so far (after a solid 2 minutes of testing) | 00:00 |
| whaq | like a good girlfriend? That it goes down so much?? | 00:00 |
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| milhouse | bless ;) | 00:00 |
| thoughtfix | whaq: Goes down on you when you need it the most. | 00:01 |
| whaq | haha | 00:01 |
| bburd | pupnik - Thanks - I'll look into getting an updated libpcr... | 00:01 |
| whaq | yep... it always listens to all your problems and never forgets. | 00:02 |
| celesteh | anybody here successfully install jalimo? | 00:03 |
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| VimSi | anyone know, why my 770 with hackeros07 is not able to make voice-calls via googletalk ? | 00:05 |
| __pv | agh, can't get sshfs to work on n800. fuse 2.6.5 & sshfs 1.8 compiled fine, but accessing the mount point hangs | 00:05 |
| thoughtfix | Ok... new article on tabletblog | 00:10 |
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| SeRi | <thoughtfix> I just apply for the garage account ill update you on the info once up ill post in your blog | 00:13 |
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| SeRi | I am out cya! | 00:13 |
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| milhouse | bugzilla is back | 00:22 |
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| NeoStrider | thoughtfix...about tablet design...what about buttons on the right? | 00:24 |
| thoughtfix | NeoStrider: There should be at least a scroll wheel on the right. | 00:24 |
| thoughtfix | Gamers seem to want buttons there more than anyone else. | 00:24 |
| NeoStrider | i mean for games =-) | 00:24 |
| NeoStrider | yeah | 00:24 |
| NeoStrider | anyway...you asked for it: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:25 |
| NeoStrider | now, I must go | 00:25 |
| NeoStrider | see you all later, fellows | 00:25 |
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| whaq | scrollwheel rocks | 00:30 |
| pupnik | i think scrolling with the stylus works fine | 00:31 |
| whaq | sure, don't take that away | 00:31 |
| thoughtfix | pupnik: The screen would get less wear (and potential scratches) with a wheel | 00:31 |
| whaq | but scrollwheel for one-handed operations (menu nav, ebook, etc) | 00:31 |
| pupnik | btw i hear that the fingerprint scanners aren't particularly good for security | 00:31 |
| pupnik | yeah | 00:31 |
| thoughtfix | Perhaps not | 00:32 |
| thoughtfix | but | 00:32 |
| thoughtfix | they're excellent scrollers | 00:32 |
| thoughtfix | Yeah... a real wheel would be better than a fingerprint scanner | 00:32 |
| thoughtfix | Especially one with tactile feedback | 00:32 |
| whaq | how about slide-out keyboards, but on both sides like the pepperpad? | 00:33 |
| whaq | yeah, tactile feedback is a necessity. it's the downfall of iphone. | 00:34 |
| milhouse | I used someones BlackBery Pearl the other day - the rollerball on that was pretty good, I only wish it had Missile Command installed | 00:36 |
| whaq | milhouse: does it have an onscreen pointer all the time then? | 00:37 |
| pupnik | btw penguin command is close to perfect on 770.. still some scaling problems | 00:37 |
| thoughtfix | It's also the downfall of my Mighty Mouse. While I like the scrolling trackball on the top, I don't like the lack of feedback | 00:38 |
| milhouse | penguin command - that would be ace! :) | 00:38 |
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| milhouse | my n800 with the new SDHC kernel hasn't fallen over yet - I declare it a success. Been playing audio flawlessly the last 15 mins | 00:39 |
| pupnik | it's pretty fun and well done gameplay - very amateurish coding though | 00:40 |
| milhouse | media player is sooo shit! | 00:40 |
| milhouse | arghh... | 00:40 |
| milhouse | wish Nokia would fix the bugs in media player or open source the code so we could have a go | 00:40 |
| pupnik | an ogg DSPsink is high on my wishlist | 00:41 |
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| thoughtfix | Heh | 00:43 |
| thoughtfix | Give me a port of Worms Armageddon | 00:43 |
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| trevarthan | what is the best way to get the display's state using python? I want to know when it turns off. | 00:44 |
| thoughtfix | Then you'll have to pry my N800 out of my cold, dead hands | 00:44 |
| trevarthan | thoughtfix: something tells me that W.A. uses too much CPU.... | 00:44 |
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| disq | thoughtfix: why does tabletblog.com works but www.tabletblog.com doesn't? any way to fix it? | 00:47 |
| thoughtfix | disq: I have to change my hosting for that. Grr. | 00:48 |
| pupnik | is worms armageddon 3d? | 00:48 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: I don't think so. It might use a 3d engine for rendering though. Not sure. | 00:50 |
| pupnik | i liked the old worms a lot | 00:50 |
| pupnik | have you tried wormux on pc thoughtfix / trev? | 00:52 |
| trevarthan | nope | 00:52 |
| trevarthan | looks sweet though. | 00:53 |
| trevarthan | building 0.7.9 now | 00:55 |
| pupnik | in scratchbox? | 00:55 |
| trevarthan | gentoo | 00:55 |
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| thoughtfix | I am on hold with GoDaddy to fix that | 00:58 |
| thoughtfix | Worms Armageddon was the last 2D Worms | 00:59 |
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| jjo_ | no it wasn't | 00:59 |
| jjo_ | worms world party was the last 2d worms | 00:59 |
| pupnik | it wants libcurl | 01:00 |
| trevarthan | :) no it wasn't. Worms for Xbox Live Arcade was the latest one. | 01:00 |
| trevarthan | Just released a few months ago. | 01:00 |
| trevarthan | Does anyone know how to get the screen status (on/off) using python? | 01:00 |
| maxf | anybody familiar with menelaus? It seems to react when my card in inserted but still doesn't get it mounted. | 01:01 |
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| disq | trevarthan: i tried to find it out but couldn't you need to listen the dbus system(?) bus for "signals" | 01:03 |
| disq | trevarthan: nothing in Osso classes, probably there's something in Dbus. but couldn't find any example code | 01:03 |
| thoughtfix | Okay .... I think I fixed the www.tabletblog.com to forward to tabletblog.com | 01:03 |
| thoughtfix | Instead of a CNAME record, it had to be a forwarded subdomain | 01:04 |
| disq | trevarthan: also ported maemoscrobbler to n770, works fine, kagu works fine too | 01:04 |
| thoughtfix | When the TTL expires, www.tabletblog.com should work | 01:04 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah, I got the message about maemoscrobbler. Any new functionality in the new version? BTW, did you just up and buy a 770? | 01:04 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: just tried wormux and got a segfault. gayness. | 01:05 |
| disq | trevarthan: i already had the 770 (since early 2006 iirc) there's some new stuff in 0.1.2, but nothing worthy of mentioning in 0.1.2a | 01:06 |
| pupnik | somebody did a port for zaurus, should be doable | 01:06 |
| pupnik | it wants a lot of stuff though, libcurl, libxml etc yadda | 01:06 |
| trevarthan | disq: what does 0.1.2 offer? I'm running 0.1.1. | 01:07 |
| trevarthan | is there like a sniffer for dbus or something? | 01:07 |
| pupnik | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18415&st=30 <<< zaurus oe games... lots of projects | 01:10 |
| disq | trevarthan: "dbus-monitor --system" (the signal name is "display_status_ind") | 01:11 |
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| disq | really couldn't find the time to investigate python-dbus | 01:11 |
| trevarthan | disq: search for "set the backlight": http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-03-04.log.html | 01:12 |
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| trevarthan | haha. you suck, _Monkey. | 01:12 |
| pupnik | the Sierra SCI interpreter 'freesci' should be port-able. needs the latest darcs sources though | 01:13 |
| disq | trevarthan: hmm. then a simple gconf callback should do it i think | 01:14 |
| trevarthan | you any good with gconf? I've never used it. | 01:14 |
| disq | i've used it in C, mostly cheated from inz's code tho :) | 01:14 |
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| pupnik | debhelper v5 would be nice | 01:25 |
| disq | trevarthan: found some samples, but that gconf key doesn't contain current display information, just settings | 01:31 |
| disq | trevarthan: try gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/dsm/display | 01:31 |
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| disq | the file /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level does but i don't think there's a feasible way to hook that. will try the dbus approach once more | 01:34 |
| trevarthan | disq: I'm pretty sure I can use /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 01:35 |
| trevarthan | If you find a better way, let me know. But I'll go with that for now. | 01:36 |
| disq | trevarthan: reading the python-dbus tutorial now :P | 01:37 |
| trevarthan | disq: got a link to that? I'll read it too... | 01:37 |
| disq | btw if you'd like to use gconf for configuration, i gathered sample code for that too | 01:37 |
| disq | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html | 01:37 |
| trevarthan | I think I'm happy with the prefs module for now. | 01:38 |
| trevarthan | I ran that dbus sniffer. dbus definitely looks like the way to go. | 01:39 |
| trevarthan | disq: aren't you a dbus wizard already, since you wrote maemoscrobbler and all? | 01:41 |
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| trevarthan | looks like we can just use connect_to_signal("display_status_ind", handler, sender_keyword='sender')? | 01:43 |
| disq | something like that yeah, i'm trying out some code which isn't really working | 01:46 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, I'm not sure how to create an object, then an interface for com.nokia.mce.signal... | 01:49 |
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| trevarthan | Any Nokia dbus experts in the channel? | 02:09 |
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| disq | trevarthan: http://pastebin.ca/630159 closest i got | 02:14 |
| disq | trevarthan: appending .signal to dbus_interface makes it throw error messages on every mce dbus event | 02:15 |
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| trevarthan | disq: does that code actually do anything for you? | 02:18 |
| disq | no :) | 02:19 |
| disq | append .signal to the dbus if and it will generate error messages on each event | 02:19 |
| disq | that's the level of blindness i'm shooting :P | 02:19 |
| trevarthan | exceptions, yeah | 02:19 |
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| disq | won't work if you don't import dbus.glib though, btw. and i think the dbus bindings on the device are outdated | 02:21 |
| disq | btw to make maemoscrobble work i had to build libcurl and libconic from the n800 source debs. the libcurl in the 770 latest fw is outdated and has some deprecated functions :) | 02:23 |
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| trevarthan | disq: got it | 02:32 |
| disq | good news! how | 02:33 |
| disq | i was desperately browsing carman sources | 02:33 |
| trevarthan | http://pastebin.ca/630175 | 02:34 |
| trevarthan | displays: "got signal from u'on'" and "got signal from u'off'" | 02:34 |
| disq | :) | 02:35 |
| disq | there's also "dimmed" when the backlight is off but the screen's still on | 02:35 |
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| trevarthan | it's funny. I had almost that exact same code, but I kept getting the "member_keyword" exception. So I removed it and all was well. | 02:35 |
| disq | btw, i have an "UNKNOWN" artist with a known album name. but the tracks in the album are from different artists (and the album names wouldn't match either) | 02:38 |
| disq | erm sorry. known artist with an unknown album name | 02:38 |
| disq | the tracks in it are from different artists (possibly unknown) | 02:38 |
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| trevarthan | so, I guess we want to kick over to the idle event loop in kagu whenever the screen status changes to "off". We'll keep running the normal loop for "on" and "dimmed". | 02:41 |
| trevarthan | that'll chew up battery like crazy, but at least the user can turn off the screen to mitigate the drain. | 02:42 |
| trevarthan | or maybe we should kick to the idle loop on 'dimmed' too? | 02:43 |
| disq | have to check how dimmed behaves when the brightness is set to one bar | 02:43 |
| trevarthan | Might be useful to throw battery states into the mix too. For example, kick to idle loop only for 'off' when plugged in, but kick to idle loop for 'off' and 'dimmed' when on battery? | 02:44 |
| disq | would be great for in-car usage | 02:44 |
| disq | checked, dimmed isn't the default status with brightness at 1 bar. so it should be the second one. idle at off and dimmed, animate at on | 02:45 |
| trevarthan | and desktop usage. | 02:45 |
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| trevarthan | ok. I'll work on that tonight. I'll make it behave differently for com.nokia.bme.signal's charger_disconnected and charger_connected. | 02:47 |
| trevarthan | Hmmm.... how do I query that state at application startup? | 02:47 |
| trevarthan | I need to know if it's on charger or off when the app starts. I can't assume... | 02:48 |
| disq | hmmm. should be somewhere in /sys | 02:48 |
| disq | lemme have a quick look | 02:48 |
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| trevarthan | gonna run out and get a few more eps of BSG. back in 20... | 02:51 |
| disq | mkay | 02:52 |
| disq | bsg ftw. :P | 02:52 |
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| disq | trevarthan: acmonitor sends a dbus request to bme. source at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz but not sure python-dbus stuff is worth fiddling | 03:00 |
| derf | Note that the glib bindings for dbus on the N800 are mostly broken. | 03:01 |
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| disq | ooh you're here. hi | 03:03 |
| disq | by broken, do you mean deprecated/obsolete bindings? or more in the lines of "not working as it's supposed to"? | 03:04 |
| derf | Well, I never bothered to see if the API changed any, but definitely not working as it's supposed to. | 03:05 |
| derf | The version of dbus shipped is _very_ old. | 03:05 |
| derf | (at least by FLOSS standards) | 03:05 |
| derf | You'll notice in acmonitor I don't make nice GObjects and install real glib signal handlers, but instead have to install a generic dbus filter and parse the messages myself. | 03:09 |
| derf | The reason was that the GObject approach segfaults due to some code in the bindings that was clearly never tested. | 03:09 |
| disq | and this whole thing runs on dbus. great | 03:11 |
| derf | dbus AND GTK! | 03:12 |
| disq | like that's supposed to calm me down :P | 03:13 |
| disq | heh. dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'com.nokia.bme': no such name | 03:13 |
| derf | Anyway, maybe the new OS2007 releases are better, I was still using OS2006 when I wrote this. | 03:14 |
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| Agogo | seri,vnc working after installing tight vnc | 04:03 |
| Agogo | vs realvnc. | 04:04 |
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| Agogo | happy now..haven't managed.to get ur cifs script working yet..but at least 1st win | 04:06 |
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| SeRi | ohhh man I just finish eating... | 04:21 |
| SeRi | can even move | 04:22 |
| SeRi | Wifes are good for cooking :P | 04:22 |
| Agogo | seri,success with tightvnc | 04:24 |
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| SeRi | nice | 04:24 |
| SeRi | so what did you do? | 04:25 |
| SeRi | ooo ok so you install thight vnc server | 04:25 |
| nelson | is there a way to turn on bluetooth from the shell? | 04:26 |
| frob | nelson: hciconfig | 04:28 |
| nelson | 'hciconfig hci0 up' ? | 04:28 |
| nelson | kewl, thanks! | 04:29 |
| SeRi | Yes | 04:30 |
| SeRi | ops to late | 04:30 |
| SeRi | sorry | 04:30 |
| SeRi | ok BrB | 04:30 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 04:40 |
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| pupnik | muhuu | 05:01 |
| pupnik | video clips on internet are wasting my life now | 05:01 |
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| trevarthan | disq: taking a look at acmonitor now. | 05:12 |
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| pupnik | Nokia 770 arm926ej-s: arm9_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 128.60MB/s | 05:16 |
| pupnik | Nokia 800 arm1136j-s: arm11_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 335.13MB/s | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | i wish i could see how fast n800 does snes9x | 05:18 |
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| trevarthan | :) I'm not taking that bait pupnik. I've got my own project man. :) | 05:20 |
| trevarthan | Anyone know if there is a libconic equiv for python on maemo? | 05:21 |
| pupnik | well you can try it out - the intro to chrono trigger (birds flying over the fairgrounds) is about 4-6 fps on 770 | 05:21 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, there are bindings for libconic | 05:21 |
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| trevarthan | oh, ok. I saw this, so I thought they didn't exist: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2007-April/007480.html | 05:22 |
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| pupnik | acmonitor for n800 uses libconic | 05:22 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: you got a deb of snes9x? | 05:22 |
| trevarthan | yeah, but acmonitor is written in C. | 05:23 |
| pupnik | just a tgz http://pupnik.de/snes9x_maemo.tgz | 05:23 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, that was a message I sent while writing those bindings :) | 05:23 |
| lmoura | I had some dbus issues but managed to get it working | 05:23 |
| trevarthan | I'm actually trying to port some of the acmonitor libconic code from C to python... I need to query the battery status. | 05:23 |
| trevarthan | lmoura: so is it included in python 2.5 for maemo by default? | 05:24 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, yes | 05:24 |
| lmoura | try 'import conic' | 05:24 |
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| trevarthan | lmoura: yeah, that works. Are there docs for it? | 05:26 |
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| lmoura | trevarthan, I guess they're still in the svn (xml...) =\ | 05:27 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, but it is pretty much like the C api (no big changes) | 05:27 |
| trevarthan | point me to the SVN then? | 05:27 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages/python-conic/trunk/docs/reference/ | 05:29 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: I didn't realize that tar.gz contained a binary. I thought it was source. | 05:29 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: lemme find a ROM. Gimme a minute. | 05:29 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, gtg. I have 5 hours of sleep left... :) | 05:29 |
| trevarthan | lmoura: alright. Thanks for the help! | 05:30 |
| pupnik | it's just an archive like .zip... frame rates are highly game dependent - the free pac man demo runs smoothly | 05:30 |
| disq | trevarthan: the com.nokia.bme thingy throws an error when i try to hook/read the signals. same code as the display_ind, but this time it won't work | 05:32 |
| trevarthan | disq: you still awake? Dang. Yeah, acmonitor gets around that by using libconic, so that's what I'll do too. | 05:33 |
| disq | ah. | 05:33 |
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| disq | the 770 by default doesn't have libconic (but i made a package for m-s) but I hope it has the python-conic bindings | 05:33 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: what args should I run it with? Been a while since I used this. | 05:34 |
| _Shurik_ | hola | 05:35 |
| pupnik | no args ... i didn't find any that made a difference | 05:35 |
| disq | anyway, night all | 05:35 |
| pupnik | cu | 05:35 |
| disq | trevarthan: i could get into packaging kagu if i can make the time | 05:36 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: where's the fullscreen option? | 05:36 |
| pupnik | no scaling or fs option | 05:36 |
| trevarthan | well it's rather useless then eh? | 05:36 |
| disq | <- off | 05:37 |
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| trevarthan | framerate actually isn't all that bad with mario. :) | 05:37 |
| trevarthan | see ya disq! | 05:37 |
| _Shurik_ | hey guys, anyone using scratchbox2? | 05:38 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: what are the buttons? | 05:38 |
| pupnik | something like zxcasd leftshift, rightshift | 05:39 |
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| trevarthan | so you use a keyboard with it? | 05:39 |
| trevarthan | ugh | 05:39 |
| trevarthan | The center dpad button is something, obviously. If you could make the fullscreen button be something else then that would work. | 05:40 |
| trevarthan | How many buttons did the snes have? | 05:40 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 05:48 |
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| cesman | hello NeoStrider | 05:58 |
| NeoStrider | whats up, cesman!? | 05:59 |
| justin__ | Is installing Maemo SDK 2.2 in the latest scratchbox r4 packages not possible? | 06:00 |
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| cesman | nut much...baking brownies | 06:02 |
| cesman | you? | 06:02 |
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| pupnik | justin__: dunno - don't see why not though | 06:05 |
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| justin__ | I don't either. | 06:05 |
| justin__ | I don't understand why it seems like the rootstrap isn't installing | 06:05 |
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| justin__ | None of the scripts or applications said to come with the rootstrap show up when I extract the rootstrap to the target. | 06:07 |
| pupnik | hmm, scratchbox gcc seems to support profiling: -fprofile-arcs | 06:09 |
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| justin__ | shouldn't Xephyr just exist? | 06:13 |
| NeoStrider | justin__: just tried with the said sbox version...not on the r4..and I wouldnt recommend | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | not actually , justin__ | 06:14 |
| NeoStrider | I had to apt-get it | 06:14 |
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| NeoStrider | but the docs says it comes bundled...its strange... | 06:14 |
| syntux | Good morning, are there any porting guide? | 06:14 |
| justin__ | hmm | 06:15 |
| NeoStrider | syntux...porting what , using what? | 06:15 |
| justin__ | so how can I check to see if the rootstrap was installed succesfully? | 06:15 |
| justin__ | to gcc | 06:15 |
| justin__ | and apt-get doesn't work within scratchbox. | 06:15 |
| syntux | NeoStrider, I'm getting N800 in days and looking for a way to port some apps into it. | 06:15 |
| NeoStrider | I have a 770...so I guess I can answer you | 06:16 |
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| NeoStrider | its a somewhat spartan unix box | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | but just that | 06:16 |
| NeoStrider | it does run anything that uses gtk1 | 06:17 |
| NeoStrider | out of the box | 06:17 |
| syntux | NeoStrider, lovely, so would my bash scripts run there? | 06:17 |
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| NeoStrider | it uses busybox...let me check the shell | 06:17 |
| syntux | lovely | 06:18 |
| NeoStrider | there is ASH | 06:18 |
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| NeoStrider | but no bash | 06:18 |
| syntux | it's ok, they should be similar in way or another, anyway tell me about root access, is it only with R&D mode? | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | only R&D | 06:19 |
| NeoStrider | but the x-terminal gives us some power | 06:20 |
| NeoStrider | what do you want to do? | 06:20 |
| syntux | I'm a software developer so I just want to digg more on Maemo before putting my hands on the device heh | 06:20 |
| syntux | there is plenty of apps, cool | 06:21 |
| NeoStrider | I wouldnt recommend fiddling too much | 06:22 |
| NeoStrider | may unstabilize the system | 06:22 |
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| syntux | hmm, then there should be a system emulator or a virtual image for development right? | 06:24 |
| pupnik | what do you want to do, syntux? | 06:27 |
| syntux | pupnik, new apps | 06:29 |
| syntux | or porting existing ones | 06:29 |
| justin__ | Has anyone sucessfully installed Maemo SDK 2.2 in scratchbox using scratchbox packages from a source url? What url are you using? | 06:29 |
| pupnik | you do that in a development environment called scratchbox | 06:29 |
| pupnik | syntux: you can run the apps on your pc for testing before running them on the device | 06:30 |
| pupnik | it's not a system emulator though | 06:30 |
| syntux | pupnik, or this http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 no? | 06:30 |
| pupnik | yes that is a prebuilt scratchbox plus host distro for running in a vm | 06:31 |
| pupnik | you can emulate the cpu in scratchbox, but you do not emulate all the hardware on the device | 06:32 |
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| syntux | pupnik, but emulating CPU would be enough right ? | 06:33 |
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| pupnik | for many apps yes | 06:36 |
| pupnik | apps that use special nokia hardware will not work | 06:37 |
| justin__ | What version of cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 toolchain should be used with the 2.2 SDK | 06:37 |
| pupnik | scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386_0.9.8.5-6_i386.deb here | 06:41 |
| pupnik | on scratchbox-core 1.0.7 | 06:42 |
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| justin__ | Can I use the debs from <http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/> for 2.2? | 06:44 |
| justin__ | That's super old lol. | 06:45 |
| justin__ | Everything is 1.0.5 or older in r4. | 06:47 |
| pupnik | l | 06:47 |
| justin__ | 1? | 06:47 |
| pupnik | wrong window sorry | 06:51 |
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| justin__ | Where can I find that version? | 06:52 |
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| syntux | weird, can't download that torrent | 07:00 |
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| ericz_ | is it possible to add more search engines to the home applet on the 770? | 07:36 |
| ericz_ | a file i can edit? i want to be able to easily search imdb... | 07:37 |
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| procto | ericz_: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/additional-maemo-internet-search-engines | 08:03 |
| procto | I don't know about what internals one should modify, unfortunately | 08:03 |
| ericz_ | ah, thanks! | 08:04 |
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| blkhawk[work] | lo | 08:44 |
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| Komarov | anyone writes program in python using bluez | 09:04 |
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| dubdibdu1 | hi there | 10:12 |
| dubdibdu1 | does anyone of you know how to obtain something unique like a cpuid from an n800?? N800:/# cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep Serial returns Serial : 0000000000000000 | 10:14 |
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| Veggen | dubdibdul: Nokia uses the WLAN MAC address as its product ID. | 10:18 |
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| guardian | hello #maemo | 10:37 |
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| dubdibdu1 | hi there | 10:40 |
| blkhawk[work] | dubdibdu1: want to make some shareware registration function? | 10:41 |
| dubdibdu1 | is there a nicer way to obtain the macaddr than ifconfig wlan0|grep HWaddr|cut -c39-55 ?? | 10:41 |
| dubdibdu1 | not direct - it's a normal key-verification | 10:41 |
| dubdibdu1 | where i need a hw_key | 10:41 |
| blkhawk[work] | dubdibdu1: should be cattable from proc os sys | 10:42 |
| blkhawk[work] | or sys | 10:42 |
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| dubdibdu1 | cat /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address seems better to me!!! | 10:42 |
| dubdibdu1 | thanks | 10:43 |
| blkhawk[work] | np | 10:43 |
| dubdibdu1 | how hard is it to crosscompile for n800 with a buildroot-environment instead of a scratchbox env? | 10:43 |
| blkhawk[work] | dubdibdu1: should be easier frankly | 10:44 |
| dubdibdu1 | the cpuinfo file does not tell me a lot about the cpu-arch, uname -m tells me armv6l => does that mean i neet to config my buildroot for arm610 ?? | 10:46 |
| dubdibdu1 | or should the "Target Architecture Variant" be generic-arm | 10:51 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:12 |
| dubdibdu1 | morfnin | 11:15 |
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| guardian | hmm slow garage this morning :( | 11:51 |
| dubdibdu1 | do you know why vlc cannot show the stream it receives when i let the n800 spit the cameradata into my nw via gst-launch-0.10 gconfv4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144,framerate=\(fraction\)15/1 ! udpsink host=10.10.10.117 port=5432 | 11:58 |
| dubdibdu1 | ?? | 11:58 |
| dubdibdu1 | when i save the stream to a file via netcat it seems like video-information | 11:59 |
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| colinl | hi guys | 12:07 |
| colinl | is there any API to get an easy "Open $file with" dialog? | 12:08 |
| colinl | I can't seem to find that on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/ | 12:08 |
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| * guardian is learning how to make a debian package in order to make an installation package :/ | 13:02 | |
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| pupnik | morning lardman | 13:04 |
| lardman | hi pupnik | 13:07 |
| lardman | how's things? | 13:07 |
| pupnik | just makin cofee | 13:07 |
| pupnik | fakeroot apt-get update | 13:08 |
| pupnik | Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/./Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 13:08 |
| sxpert-work | pupnik: same here for a number of weeks | 13:12 |
| pupnik | ok thanks sxpert-work | 13:15 |
| * pupnik researches cheap and dirty profiling options | 13:17 | |
| pupnik | CFLAGS+= -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer -fprofile-arcs | 13:17 |
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| celesteh | howdy all, i'm looking for java for my n800. anybody got pointers to a repository? | 13:20 |
| Veggen | no such thing yet. | 13:20 |
| Veggen | There are only various people who experiment, but nothing packaged. | 13:21 |
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| Veggen | but look at http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 | 13:23 |
| celesteh | there's jalimo, but the stuff in the repository won't install for me | 13:30 |
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| lardman | celesteh: If you just want command line stuff then the PhoneME ones work fine, my impression is that there are issues with GTK/Hildon bindings | 13:39 |
| * lardman hasn't tried Jalimo yet | 13:39 | |
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| celesteh | I want to be aple to use the Google API for sending email, so command line might be good enough. Where can I find PhoneME? | 13:42 |
| pupnik | "is your internet tablet too fast? java can help." | 13:42 |
| celesteh | hahaha | 13:42 |
| celesteh | Yeah, but there are a lot of pre-existing apps, like the Google stuff and a flickr uploader, etc | 13:43 |
| pupnik | true | 13:43 |
| lardman | See Veggen's link above | 13:43 |
| celesteh | i already know java. i don't know python. and there are already libraries for these apis in java. | 13:43 |
| lardman | http://thehereweb.googlepages.com/N800-java-cdc-fp-pmea-mr2-rev5444.zip | 13:44 |
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| celesteh | thanks | 13:50 |
| * celesteh trying to do 347568972345 things at once | 13:50 | |
| toni_ | does anyone know what's the catch with maemo accounts. i registered in order to correct a wiki error, got email, confirmed registration and loged in fine to garage.maemo.org, but wiki reject me. | 13:50 |
| X-Fade_ | toni_: Just wait an hour orso. It syncs up every once in a while.. | 13:51 |
| toni_ | ah, ok. thanks. | 13:52 |
| toni_ | there should be a note on the registration page to say that | 13:52 |
| toni_ | it confuses users as it is. it did cross my mind that it could be syncing account. | 13:52 |
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| X-Fade_ | toni_: Yeah, but it is a know bug and there is some work going on to fix that.. | 13:55 |
| toni_ | ah, ok. | 13:56 |
| toni_ | but technical bug could be fixed socially, with a single sentence in the confirmation email, saying that accounts are synced and that it will take XY hours before new user can log into wiki. | 13:57 |
| toni_ | X-Fade_: since i only started using 770 tablet few days ago, i installed a monitoring applet which gets shown next to brightness setting, on the top of the screen. it's not the CPU/memory applet, but another one, which shows filesystem usage too and wifi link strength too. since, my 770 crashed badly, refused to boot and i had to reflash it. now, i can't find the same monitoring application any more, i searched for a while. any idea what is the | 14:02 |
| toni_ | name of this monitoring app? | 14:02 |
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| X-Fade_ | toni: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/load-applet ? | 14:06 |
| toni_ | thanks. not that one. i just found it! it's the SMP system monitor plugin. | 14:07 |
| toni_ | it is strange though that it doesn't appear in new application search if you search for key works like CPU, wifi, memory. | 14:08 |
| pupnik | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2006-March/003269.html Siarhei Siamashka's improved memset and memcpy | 14:09 |
| FunkyPenguin | has there been any work on an ftp client for the n800 yet? | 14:13 |
| FunkyPenguin | I see there were a couple for mistral is that compatible with bora? | 14:14 |
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| pupnik | in my bora repositories i only see: curl - Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS, FTP or GOPHER server | 14:14 |
| pupnik | or wget | 14:14 |
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| FunkyPenguin | I've got both installed, which is fine to pull files | 14:15 |
| FunkyPenguin | but I need something to put files | 14:15 |
| pupnik | gftp should work | 14:15 |
| Veggen | mm, command-line ftp should be easy enough to compile, I guess. | 14:16 |
| FunkyPenguin | I saw something about gpefilemanager with sftp built in | 14:16 |
| FunkyPenguin | but that was for it2005/2006 | 14:17 |
| pupnik | you can always try to install it2006 stuff onto bora (i do it all the time) with dpkg -i packagename.deb | 14:17 |
| FunkyPenguin | thanks pupnik I wasn't sure if it would work or not | 14:18 |
| pupnik | gah gftp wants imagemagick | 14:19 |
| alterego | Eh? | 14:19 |
| pupnik | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: imagemagick | 14:19 |
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| Savi_Bot | hi all | 14:21 |
| jait | a friend of mine did something called maemoftp a while ago | 14:22 |
| pupnik | is there a debhelper 5 yet? | 14:22 |
| jait | google for it and you should find it, although i don't know if there's a version for OS2007 | 14:23 |
| pupnik | ty | 14:23 |
| blkhawk[work] | what was that command to change initfs settings from inside arm again? | 14:23 |
| blkhawk[work] | cb something? | 14:23 |
| Savi_Bot | how can i add smiles to gaim on nokia 770 ? is that possible at all? | 14:23 |
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| blkhawk[work] | Savi_Bot: everything is possible | 14:25 |
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| pupnik | cool, Nokia 770 memory much faster than Zaurus sl-5500 and Zaurus sl-c750 | 14:26 |
| Savi_Bot | whot that sweet | 14:26 |
| blkhawk[work] | pupnik: sdram or flash? | 14:26 |
| pupnik | ram | 14:26 |
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| blkhawk[work] | ah | 14:27 |
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| blkhawk[work] | a shame there isn't more of it tho | 14:27 |
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| Veggen | hmmf. Tileset finally rendered upon rerequest today, but sea disappeared :) | 14:28 |
| pupnik | tiles? game/ | 14:29 |
| Veggen | urgh. wrong # | 14:29 |
| Veggen | trying to get http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=60.385355612269564&lon=5.327970808071815&zoom=14&layers=B000F00 right :) | 14:30 |
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| pupnik | anyone experienced with gcc profiling on the device? | 14:38 |
| Mikho | would somebody know why my application quits automatically after a few seconds when running it in the actual N770? | 14:40 |
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| Mikho | oh, actually it quits in scratchbox as well, it just works properly when I run it standalone | 14:45 |
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| pupnik | run it from a shell and see what it says | 14:46 |
| pupnik | I think this is a known issue but i forgot what | 14:46 |
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| Mikho | it works properly also when run from the shell | 14:51 |
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| Mikho | so it just quits when I select the program from the menu | 14:51 |
| inz | Mikho, do you use X-Service in .desktop but don't register the name in dbus? | 14:53 |
| Mikho | hmm... "One symptom of missing initialisation is that the application starts from the task navigator but closes automatically after a few seconds." | 14:54 |
| Mikho | you're right, thanks | 14:54 |
| Mikho | all right, I had the proper initialization, but it seems 'I' in the servicename has absolutely nothing to do with 'i' | 14:57 |
| inz | of course not | 14:57 |
| Mikho | ...grown up with windows :/ | 14:57 |
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| pupnik | hmm, 100,000 units at 50 euro net profit per unit will not justify much investment into a product | 15:32 |
| pupnik | 1 million at 100 euro net would be much better | 15:33 |
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| pupnik | Somebody was asking about 'worms armageddon' - runs 23 fps on psx4gp2x with software renderer | 15:48 |
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| blkhawk[work] | pupnik: really? | 16:11 |
| blkhawk[work] | wow | 16:11 |
| blkhawk[work] | on a 770? | 16:11 |
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| pupnik | no on a gp2x | 16:13 |
| Sparrow- | some kind of worms would be nice game for internet tablets also | 16:15 |
| cosmo | someone ported UAE, you could play original worms on it | 16:15 |
| Sparrow- | it would be playable with it's buttons | 16:15 |
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| pupnik | uae needs optimization for 770 - intelligent xsp scaling, cyclone 68000 core, and a virtual keyboard that doesn't go through hildon | 16:16 |
| pupnik | And some investigation into other performance tweaks. I get 8-15 fps on most things | 16:17 |
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| pupnik | http://zodttd.com/page/2/ <<- the mad scientist who is bringing playstation to ARM portables | 16:26 |
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| pupnik | Is It Can Be use -fprofile-arcs to improve performance? | 16:55 |
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| FunkyPenguin | is there a simple way of configuring the application area on the n800? | 17:43 |
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| FunkyPenguin | basically I want to change what apps show up in what group, create and delete groups etc | 17:44 |
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| trevarthan | Yeah, check the control panel | 17:44 |
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| _Shurik_ | damn it, n800 toasted my 8 gig SD | 17:45 |
| trevarthan | _Shurik_: latest firmware? | 17:45 |
| _Shurik_ | yep | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | uh oh | 17:45 |
| trevarthan | man. I was really hoping that was a vapor bug. | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | bug 1024? | 17:45 |
| _Shurik_ | it's been messing it up for a while | 17:45 |
| trevarthan | which slot? External or Internal? | 17:45 |
| _Shurik_ | but now it has stopped working completely | 17:46 |
| * mgedmin wants to know the slot too | 17:46 | |
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| _Shurik_ | had it in external | 17:46 |
| FunkyPenguin | trevarthan: thanks for that | 17:46 |
| trevarthan | FunkyPenguin: np. you found it? | 17:46 |
| _Shurik_ | should've moved it to mmc2 :( | 17:46 |
| trevarthan | I was gonna give you the click path, but I'm slow... :) | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | I had a 512 gb SD card die in the n800's external slot, with some old non-sdhc-capable firmware | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | don't know if it's the same bug, or just bad luck | 17:46 |
| FunkyPenguin | _Shurik_: I've got an 8gb transcend class 6 in internal slot and it works a charm | 17:47 |
| trevarthan | _Shurik_: yeah, if I upgrade, I'm gonna try putting my 4gb in the internal slot. | 17:47 |
| * FunkyPenguin crosses fingers and touches wood :) | 17:47 | |
| _Shurik_ | yeah but now I'm not sure if it is completely dead or what | 17:47 |
| FunkyPenguin | trevarthan: yeah thanks, for some reason I didn't look in there! | 17:47 |
| trevarthan | Try to format it from win32. | 17:47 |
| _Shurik_ | I'm not sure that my laptop can read it at all | 17:47 |
| _Shurik_ | well that's a thing, I don't have another sdhc reader handy | 17:47 |
| _Shurik_ | hm, let me ask around the office. brb | 17:48 |
| trevarthan | _Shurik_: you can't format it over the USB link? | 17:48 |
| trevarthan | I guess if it's mounted r/o you wouldn't... | 17:48 |
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| lardman | pupnik: I just saw your comment about worms, I think there's an open-source version somewhere | 17:50 |
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| pupnik | yeah wormux. lots of dependencies in the stock version. but there are zaurus versions, so it's possible | 17:51 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Zaurus versions, do you have a link? | 17:51 |
| pupnik | lardman: have you found any sensible way to do gcc profiling? | 17:51 |
| _Shurik_ | trevarthan: it's not being recognized at all. mmc1 nor mmc2 | 17:51 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: crying shame he didn't write wormux in python. would have been easy. | 17:51 |
| pupnik | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18415&st=30 | 17:51 |
| lardman | pupnik: Not looked at it yet | 17:51 |
| _Shurik_ | so if it's not hardware-dead, it's really messed up | 17:51 |
| pupnik | for the zaurus stuf | 17:51 |
| trevarthan | sorry man, that sucks. | 17:52 |
| _Shurik_ | I wonder if I have warranty on it :) | 17:53 |
| disq | morning (ugt) | 17:54 |
| trevarthan | I'm gonna put a big freakin' hazard sign on my external mmc slot. | 17:54 |
| _Shurik_ | yes | 17:54 |
| pupnik | penguin command is close to finished, if anyone wants to find the remaining bugs (relating to scaling from 600->480) | 17:54 |
| _Shurik_ | well, it worked pretty good for a while | 17:54 |
| _Shurik_ | but damn | 17:54 |
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| _Shurik_ | Nokia needs to get this sorted out | 17:54 |
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| trevarthan | then pump it full of plumming caulk. | 17:55 |
| disq | uh. mine mostly has music, and the card is a cheap (cheapest - real slow write speed) 4gig | 17:55 |
| _Shurik_ | well mine is $50, but still | 17:55 |
| lardman | pupnik: Not that many deps, most of them are gcc or sdl, plus a few extrast | 17:55 |
| trevarthan | s/plumming/plumbing/ | 17:55 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: then pump it full of plumbing caulk. | 17:55 |
| disq | _Shurik_: you could try the third party kernel that's just been released. though i doubt it'll help at this point | 17:56 |
| _Shurik_ | probably not | 17:56 |
| pupnik | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: patchutils libsdl-gfx1.2-dev (>= 2.0.13) libxml++2.6-dev ttf-dejavu dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19) | 17:57 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: I showed my co-workers snes9x on the n800 this morning. They all thought it was pretty cool. | 17:57 |
| pupnik | :) Can they code? | 17:58 |
| lardman | pupnik: Is Zodttd's stuff still closed source? | 17:58 |
| trevarthan | nah. the ones who game can't code. The ones who code can't game. I'm the only hybrid with massive amounts of spare time. | 17:58 |
| pupnik | i haven't found sources for zodttd's stuff | 17:59 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:59 |
| pupnik | well emus are more worthwhile than individual games imo | 17:59 |
| pupnik | ... better ROI | 17:59 |
| trevarthan | they all think you should implement hardware acceleration ASAP. :) | 17:59 |
| trevarthan | I wonder if you could beg Nokia for a free n800? | 18:00 |
| disq | trevarthan: maybe in the next device, if they do the developer device program again | 18:01 |
| pupnik | don't need one, nothing i do is n800 specific | 18:01 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Where do your emus require acceleration | 18:01 |
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| lardman | pupnik: as in what part of the processing | 18:01 |
| trevarthan | yeah, so disq, I guess kagu will be n800 specific once I implement that screen blanking/battery stuff unless 770 users install libconic manually? | 18:02 |
| pupnik | all of them can benefit from xsp pixel doubling | 18:02 |
| pupnik | the snes emu can benefit tremendously from ARM asm optimized elements from notaz, squidge and reesy | 18:02 |
| disq | trevarthan: yeah. or, you could try/catch the libconic binding import and make it behave accordingly? | 18:02 |
| trevarthan | lardman: you need to eek every ounce of performance out of an app to get any sort of gaming performance on the n800. | 18:02 |
| trevarthan | disq: sounds like a plan. | 18:03 |
| disq | trevarthan: also once you put it in maemo garage and have the .install file ready it's no problem, since the 2.x repos already contain my build of libconic :P | 18:03 |
| lardman | of course, but what are the time consuming tasks to be optimised, I suppose we come back to the profiling problem | 18:03 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah, but does python 2.5 for the 770? | 18:04 |
| _Shurik_ | sent email to newegg.com | 18:04 |
| disq | trevarthan: it's possible libconic binding import not fail though, the first libconic call could. not sure python2.5/770 includes libconic bindings or not (if i say libconic binding one more time :P ) | 18:04 |
| _Shurik_ | hopefully I can get it replaced :-P | 18:05 |
| disq | let me boot up my 770 and ssh in | 18:05 |
| trevarthan | _Shurik_: tell them to bill Nokia. | 18:05 |
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| trevarthan | Anyone want to buy me a 770? I'd be happy to religiously support it if I had one. | 18:06 |
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| pupnik | lardman, probably the best place to start reading would be squidgesnes and drpocketsnes comments and forums. the one unit doing the most work in teh SNES is the PPU/pixel processing unit | 18:06 |
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| _Shurik_ | right :) | 18:06 |
| disq | i hear the maemo-mapper team/gnuite religiosly supports 770. maybe you could interest them in kagu and see what happens :P | 18:07 |
| _Shurik_ | trevarthan: whay do you need 770? | 18:07 |
| trevarthan | :) I'm mostly kidding anyway. I don't really want the extra baggage of a 770. | 18:07 |
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| lardman | pupnik: I was wondering whether anything would suit a DSP | 18:08 |
| disq | trevarthan: erm. could convince somebody in the US (i'm 250ms away, too much lag) to open their 770 (root pass and vnc-server pass) maybe | 18:08 |
| pupnik | spc700.cpp possibly (sound playback module) | 18:08 |
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| pupnik | lardman: i'm guessing the most useful dsp thing would be an ogg sink | 18:11 |
| disq | trevarthan: nope, python2.5-770 doesn't have the conic binding .so by default | 18:11 |
| lardman | pupnik: That wouldn't help your snes emulation though... | 18:11 |
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| lardman | pupnik: and in reality no-one really needs an oggsink, unless they are watching a movie with an ogg soundtrack | 18:12 |
| pupnik | lardman: well, a lot of open source games have ogg soundtracks/background sounds | 18:12 |
| trevarthan | lardman: in reality, I don't think anyone really needs the mp3sink for that matter. | 18:12 |
| lardman | trevarthan: I don't know about that, it removes some load from the ARM processor when doing video decoding for example | 18:13 |
| pupnik | and i see about 7-11% cpu usage decoding those with tremor | 18:13 |
| lardman | pupnik: Yep, so unless you're really pushing the ARM processor you don't gain much. But on the point of games, I agree it would be useful | 18:14 |
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| pupnik | lardman: another crazy but fun project might be looking into other people's emulation of OPL3 FM chipsets on DSPs - you could do Adlib / Sound Blaster FM on it. | 18:15 |
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| pupnik | but doing snes sound on dsp is also crazy/fun :) | 18:16 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: lardman: that's all cool and stuff, but I think you'll get the most bang for buck out of video performance enhancements. | 18:17 |
| lardman | Yes, but not direct framebuffer rendering as it's disabled in the n800's setup | 18:18 |
| lardman | not that it's direct anyway, but you know what I mean | 18:18 |
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| trevarthan | what is it that pupnik keeps throwing around? xsp pixel doubling? I don't even know what that is, but he says it would help. | 18:19 |
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| pupnik | it allows you to draw 1/4 the pixels and the hardware scales it up | 18:19 |
| lardman | that's 770 hardware specific, and it's a hardware feature | 18:19 |
| cbx33 | heyya all | 18:20 |
| cbx33 | if I wanted to compile something to work on the n800 | 18:20 |
| trevarthan | ah, so that wouldn't help the n800 at all. pupnik, you dog. you didn't tell me that. :) | 18:20 |
| cbx33 | I have my scratchbox install all setup | 18:20 |
| cbx33 | do i just make sure it compiles in the x86 target, then compile in the arm target | 18:20 |
| cbx33 | and copy the binary over? | 18:21 |
| cbx33 | assuming it's all self contained and doesn't have libraries | 18:21 |
| _Shurik_ | I thought n800 has pixel doubling as well, no? | 18:21 |
| lardman | you can miss the x86 target if you want to test on the n800 directly | 18:21 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: I wouldn't even bother with x86. just get it working with armel. | 18:21 |
| cbx33 | ahh ok | 18:21 |
| lardman | cbx33: So yes, make sure you put the binary somewhere that's not on the mmc cards | 18:21 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: you can then transfer the binary, or else make a .deb. The second is preferable for distribution. | 18:21 |
| cbx33 | can you modify a make file so that it compiles everything in one binary? | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | instead of relying on libs? | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | lardman, why not on the mmc? | 18:22 |
| disq | i never test code in scratchbox nowadays. just compile it, scp away, test on the device | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | disq, cool | 18:22 |
| _Shurik_ | disq: really? | 18:22 |
| lardman | cbx33: mount options, you can't run things from the mmc | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | oh | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | i didn't know that | 18:22 |
| _Shurik_ | what if it's a big project, you keep moving binary back and forth? | 18:22 |
| lle2 | testing in sb is *wrong* on so many levels | 18:22 |
| _Shurik_ | hm, okay | 18:23 |
| lardman | cbx33: you could also compile statically if you really want. What are you compiling? | 18:23 |
| disq | i keep moving the binary forth and forth yeah. debugging can get tough though :) | 18:23 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: you should be able to statically compile things. That would be some sort of gcc option. Sorry, my C,C++ is rusty. That's about all I know. Check `man gcc` or something. | 18:23 |
| _Shurik_ | btw, anyone using sb2? | 18:23 |
| * cbx33 wanted to get kismet working | 18:23 | |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: I am | 18:23 |
| cbx33 | i know it's been done before | 18:23 |
| _Shurik_ | lle2: is it stable? | 18:23 |
| cbx33 | but I kinda wanted to do it myself | 18:23 |
| pupnik | binaries shouldn't be big | 18:23 |
| lardman | cbx33: Does kismet produce libs? | 18:23 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: no idea, but developing it is fun | 18:23 |
| cbx33 | lardman | 18:23 |
| _Shurik_ | okkay :) | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | no idea | 18:24 |
| trevarthan | disq: I develop python code right on the n800. I just SSH into it and run screen. I keep wondering when my RAM will die because of that. | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | lardman, i guess noy | 18:24 |
| disq | if it's something python I edit it on the device too | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | disq you use the touch pad? | 18:24 |
| lardman | cbx33: No, it doesn;t look like it does | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | cool | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | so i just need the libs to compile it | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | then the binary would be ok to use? | 18:24 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: I either use synergy, an external machine's keyboard via SSH, or a BT keyboard, depending on what is on hand. | 18:25 |
| disq | I gotta install screen and also get rid of that pty limitation | 18:25 |
| cbx33 | like it probab;y needs some dev libs | 18:25 |
| lardman | cbx33: What does it depend on? The libs must already exist as it's an installable package afaik | 18:25 |
| cbx33 | synergy? | 18:25 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah, I did that a few days ago. real handy. | 18:25 |
| cbx33 | lardman oh? | 18:25 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: maemo is less than ideal for it though | 18:25 |
| disq | cbx33: touchpad? while testing? have to. while developing? no, mcedit works fine for me (i prefer mcedit over vi and emacs.) | 18:25 |
| cbx33 | not from my set of repos | 18:25 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ | 18:25 |
| trevarthan | there's a bin for maemo out there somewhere. | 18:26 |
| disq | in the maemo garage i think | 18:26 |
| cbx33 | wow | 18:26 |
| cbx33 | maemo garage? | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | garage.maemo.org? | 18:26 |
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| _Shurik_ | oops | 18:26 |
| disq | i use synergy2 for my htpc (home theater pc) it's handy | 18:26 |
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| trevarthan | I really try *not* to use it if I can help it. It's a pain to get everything connected without a GUI on the n800, but it's nice when nothing else is available. | 18:27 |
| disq | trevarthan: btw the 770 easily runs out of file descriptors. even running tail -f /var/log/syslog can cause problems :) (had to find it the hard way. nothing would work) | 18:27 |
| trevarthan | :) that sucks | 18:28 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: biggest problem with maemo is that the rootstraps lack almost everything that they really should have | 18:28 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: I'm much more optimistic about debian armel port | 18:28 |
| trevarthan | like ping? :) | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | i thought ping was on it? | 18:28 |
| disq | prolly could be fixed with some /proc magic. also I didn't have swap on at the time, putting in the 64mb rsmmc and enabling swap made it better | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | oh maybe it got installed with something else | 18:28 |
| _Shurik_ | well that's bad news about not being able to debug in sb | 18:28 |
| trevarthan | that odd gconf ping imitation is a really poor substitute too. | 18:28 |
| disq | trevarthan: gconf ping imitation? in acmonitor? | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: sb comes with ping, but not maemo production firmware. | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | oh | 18:29 |
| disq | latest fw comes with ping | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | thought so | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | oh yeah? That's good news. | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | i knew i had ping | 18:29 |
| disq | and they closed the bug request with "wontfix". but they included ping | 18:30 |
| trevarthan | just watch that evil external mmc port. :) | 18:30 |
| disq | s/bug/enh/ | 18:30 |
| infobot | disq meant: and they closed the enh request with "wontfix". but they included ping | 18:30 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, ??? | 18:30 |
| disq | ooh new monkey | 18:30 |
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| trevarthan | oh damn. anyone got a link? | 18:30 |
| _Shurik_ | I can't believe I haven't switched to mmc2 long time ago | 18:30 |
| _Shurik_ | how could I miss this :( | 18:30 |
| disq | link? | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | eh eh eh ? | 18:31 |
| trevarthan | someone get the man a bug report link for the mmc issue. | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | was it the same issue i had i wonder | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | with the internal card | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | got screwed up completely | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | had to reformat with a linux machine | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | as the ITOS reformat for cards didn't work | 18:31 |
| disq | infobot: quick, give us bugzilla url for bug#1204 | 18:31 |
| disq | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 | 18:32 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: sure people do debug in sb, it's just nuts to pretend that the results have anything to do with the real target | 18:32 |
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| mgedmin | oh, it's bug 1204, not 1024 | 18:32 |
| cbx33 | yeh i got that mixed up too a while back ;) | 18:32 |
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| _Shurik_ | damn in | 18:32 |
| _Shurik_ | it | 18:32 |
| _Shurik_ | lle2: not good not good | 18:33 |
| disq | mgedmin: yeah i first tried bug 1024 that's why it took that long :P | 18:33 |
| cbx33 | so trevarthan can you install all the debhelper tools in scratchbox? | 18:33 |
| trevarthan | external mmc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 | 18:33 |
| trevarthan | external mmc bug? | 18:33 |
| cbx33 | to make the debs | 18:33 |
| trevarthan | oh... monkey is offline... | 18:33 |
| disq | monkeh | 18:33 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: debhelper tools? dunno. probably. not sure what those are. | 18:34 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: nokia has never gotten around to providing a real emulation solution, even if it's been established looooong time ago that sb is just a build tool, not target emulation, even if it does a little bit of that on the side | 18:34 |
| cbx33 | how do you make debs for distribution on the maemo platform | 18:34 |
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| mgedmin | cbx33: with dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox | 18:34 |
| pupnik | cbx33: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 18:35 |
| trevarthan | there's a howto that compliments the normal debian "New Maintainer Handbook" or whatever... | 18:35 |
| disq | i have a handy ~/makedeb script which runs buildpkg | 18:35 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: sb2 makes this totally obvious and hopefully prevents any idiot thinking it's a target emulator | 18:35 |
| disq | trevarthan: got my message about SDL keysym thingy? it sucks | 18:35 |
| disq | trevarthan: ah yeah turns out we talked about it (checked the log) | 18:36 |
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| _Shurik_ | lle2: I see... | 18:36 |
| trevarthan | I saw your mailing list message about it too | 18:36 |
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| lle2 | _Shurik_: trying out sb2 is pretty easy if you're on a debian/testing box | 18:37 |
| disq | making a daemon that turns that event (globally access key events? how) into dbus signals could work but it's a hack really | 18:37 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 18:38 |
| cbx33 | looks like I'd need libpcap too | 18:38 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: just apt-get install scratchbox2 and follow the sb2 readme skipping the part about building it | 18:38 |
| lle2 | _Shurik_: although right now you will have trouble with qemu, you'd need a fresh cvs snapshot | 18:38 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: this might help too: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html#application-packaging | 18:38 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 18:39 |
| cbx33 | I'm an Ubuntu MOTU so I know how to build my own packages....just getting used to the layout | 18:39 |
| cbx33 | is scratchbox2 very different? | 18:39 |
| lle2 | yes | 18:39 |
| trevarthan | that url I sent just now has useful maemo specific info, like step #7. | 18:40 |
| cbx33 | cool | 18:40 |
| cbx33 | thanks trevarthan | 18:40 |
| trevarthan | BTW, does anyone have a canned Makefile + debian dir for making simple python app debs? | 18:40 |
| trevarthan | I'm lazy. I don't want to write my own. | 18:41 |
| disq | trevarthan: i found a packaging guide somewhere, i'll get into it | 18:41 |
| _Shurik_ | lle2: thanks! | 18:42 |
| cbx33 | hah | 18:42 |
| _Shurik_ | I'll be back guys | 18:42 |
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| disq | so don't worry about the packaging | 18:42 |
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| trevarthan | ok cool. | 18:46 |
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| pupnik | configure scripts still freak me out | 19:00 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, | 19:05 |
| cbx33 | me too | 19:05 |
| cbx33 | I can pacakge python crap easy | 19:05 |
| cbx33 | but make and configure I'm still no master of | 19:06 |
| trevarthan | I've been meaning to learn autoconf for like 5 years now. Still haven't got around to it. :) | 19:06 |
| cbx33 | heeh | 19:07 |
| pupnik | trev, would you be interested in testing another build on n800? | 19:11 |
| pupnik | trevarthan: | 19:11 |
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| procto | any of the folks working on the cx3110x drivers in here? | 19:26 |
| procto | has injection been implemented yet? | 19:26 |
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| trevarthan | uh. yeah, sure pupnik. | 19:28 |
| trevarthan | sorry. no sound or visual notifications on my desktop. I work in cubical-land. | 19:28 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 19:29 |
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| pupnik | trevarthan: some alternate versions to try - these are supposedly a bit slower - please try them with -sc (scaling) and without to see whether you can see a performance drop when scaling to full window size | 19:32 |
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| pupnik | i'm invoking with ./snes9x -ns -f 3 -j -nomouse -nomp5 ct.smc | 19:32 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/snes9x_15_pupnik.tgz | 19:33 |
| pupnik | whenever you have time - no hurry | 19:33 |
| pupnik | also this is a newer version, which the snes9x devs tell me is a bit slower than 1.40 - i can't see a difference though | 19:33 |
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| disq | reading about git, interesting | 19:39 |
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| pupnik | is the simplest way to do generic audio streams to use esd? | 19:46 |
| pupnik | osso-esd - Enlightenment Sound Daemon | 19:46 |
| procto | pupnik: do you happen to know if kvalo is even on here? | 19:47 |
| procto | I guess I'll have to email him | 19:47 |
| pupnik | no | 19:47 |
| procto | I want injection :( | 19:47 |
| procto | needz to crack these APs | 19:47 |
| pupnik | i thought there was a company selling 770s for security audits with all that stuff | 19:48 |
| procto | yes | 19:51 |
| procto | immunitysec | 19:51 |
| procto | SILICA | 19:51 |
| procto | I want one of those puppies so bad | 19:51 |
| procto | well, it's running their product | 19:51 |
| procto | a modified version of CANVAS | 19:51 |
| procto | which is sort like metasploit on crack | 19:52 |
| pupnik | so they did their own drivers? | 19:52 |
| procto | running their delicious proprietary 0day | 19:52 |
| procto | most likely | 19:52 |
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| procto | http://immunitysec.com/products-silica.shtml | 19:52 |
| procto | if I didn't have student loans to pay off | 19:53 |
| procto | $3600 wouldn't be that steep | 19:54 |
| cbx33 | whaaa | 19:54 |
| cbx33 | procto, just get nmap | 19:54 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 19:54 |
| procto | already do | 19:55 |
| procto | but CANVAS is pretty hot shit | 19:55 |
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| procto | and unlike metasploits, you're not stuck writing code in ruby | 19:55 |
| procto | but in delicious python | 19:55 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 19:55 |
| cbx33 | really | 19:55 |
| * cbx33 never heard of CANVAS | 19:55 | |
| cbx33 | is it OSS? | 19:55 |
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| procto | nah | 19:57 |
| procto | the same company, immunitysec | 19:57 |
| procto | sells it | 19:57 |
| procto | it's $1200 or so | 19:57 |
| procto | the reason it's so expensive | 19:57 |
| procto | is that it comes with proprietary 0day | 19:57 |
| procto | i.e. they find holes | 19:57 |
| procto | and write the exploits | 19:57 |
| procto | and customers get them | 19:57 |
| procto | before Immunity reports to vendors | 19:57 |
| procto | it's all written in python | 19:58 |
| procto | and has an open API | 19:58 |
| procto | but to get it in the first place you gotta fork over | 19:58 |
| procto | and there's also a subscription fee. The initial monies only last for a limited time | 19:58 |
| procto | (i.e. they will update the exploits) | 19:58 |
| procto | so, what SILICA is | 20:05 |
| procto | is basically CANVAS ported to the n800 | 20:05 |
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| joshin | Where can I find libmad for the 770? | 20:06 |
| pupnik | i wish we had a wrapper for /dev/dsp->alsa | 20:08 |
| pupnik | aha alsa-oss should do it | 20:13 |
| pupnik | aoss wrapper, which transparently replaces open/read/ioctl functions by alsa calls. | 20:13 |
| pupnik | needs to be built in bora though... gregale missing too much stufph | 20:13 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: it's actually a lot faster, but even with -sc it only displays in part of my window. like, the upper left 1/4 of the window. | 20:14 |
| pupnik | ok interesting thanks! | 20:14 |
| pupnik | you probably won't see a difference in speed between the builds | 20:14 |
| pupnik | oh and to get sound all we need is alsa-oss (aoss) wrapper to provide /dev/dsp | 20:15 |
| pupnik | or rework the sound in snes9x itself | 20:15 |
| trevarthan | the snes9x_opt binary does full sized window (not fullscreen), and it seems a bit faster too. | 20:15 |
| pupnik | does it seem like playable speed? | 20:15 |
| trevarthan | what is the diff between snes9x_opt2 and snes9x? | 20:16 |
| pupnik | for an rpg | 20:16 |
| pupnik | different compile time flags - in my notes somewhere (i hope!) | 20:16 |
| trevarthan | hang on for playable. I don't have my bt kb on hand. gimme a sec. | 20:16 |
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| pupnik | does the intro clock sequence seem halfway smooth? | 20:16 |
| trevarthan | yeah, it does. | 20:17 |
| * cbx33 needs a bt keyboard | 20:17 | |
| cbx33 | but they cost a little too much at the mo | 20:17 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: I think this is a completely playable speed. | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | what game you testing? | 20:18 |
| trevarthan | Chrono Trigger. | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 20:18 |
| rev | really? | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | I've never plyed that | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | is it good? | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | I've heard a lot about it | 20:18 |
| rev | cbx33: supposed to be one of the best console rpgs around | 20:19 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 20:19 |
| cbx33 | so i heard | 20:19 |
| rev | cbx33: i keep meaning to play it, but i've never really played a 'real' rpg, Ocarina of Time is about as close as I've gotten :D | 20:19 |
| pupnik | if anyone has a bora sdk set-up you should be able to apt-get source alsa-oss and dpkg-buildpackage it | 20:19 |
| rev | trevarthan: is this a new build of it? | 20:19 |
| trevarthan | rev: yeah. pupnik just built it. | 20:19 |
| * cbx33 has played final fantasy vi, and completed vii, viii, ix, x, x-2, dirge, and xii | 20:20 | |
| cbx33 | heheh | 20:20 |
| * rev stop waiting for a playable GBA emulator and just bought a GBA micro for playing advance wars (the N800 plays it too slow, and my CE phone does it fine but it kills the batteries) | 20:20 | |
| trevarthan | I wish I had a camera. This looks REALLY good! | 20:20 |
| rev | :D | 20:20 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, coool | 20:20 |
| trevarthan | Wow, that 3d racing scene was awesome! | 20:20 |
| cbx33 | man i wanna see it | 20:20 |
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| cbx33 | wish roms werent so illegal | 20:20 |
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| rev | well, ROMs aren't, per se | 20:21 |
| pupnik | there are freeware snes9x roms too. some run fullspeed too (not using many special effects) | 20:21 |
| cbx33 | per se they are esp if you don't have the original cart | 20:21 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: well, you can find one (rom) for yourself. You've got an n800, right? The download for pupnik's new snes9x is here: http://pupnik.de/snes9x_15_pupnik.tgz | 20:21 |
| rev | cbx33: why would it be illegal if you had a game someone released for free, as a ROM? a patent issue with the ROM image format? | 20:22 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, I'm not on about finding it ;) | 20:22 |
| cbx33 | chrono trigger wasn't released for free though ;) | 20:22 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 20:22 |
| pupnik | i should bundle the freeware pacman with it | 20:22 |
| ericz_ | oohh... no snes9x for the 770? | 20:22 |
| rev | pupnik: good idea! | 20:22 |
| cbx33 | how does it eat battery life? | 20:22 |
| cbx33 | which version do i use? | 20:23 |
| pupnik | ericz_: if anyone with a lot of energy wants to work on a fast snes for 770, here you go http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz | 20:23 |
| cbx33 | also can i ask, how often do people "Switch Off" their N800s? | 20:24 |
| cbx33 | is it a bad thing to do? | 20:24 |
| cbx33 | should I just offline mode it and lock it? | 20:24 |
| pupnik | the main thing that eats battery is screen brightness imo. | 20:24 |
| pupnik | that and wlan | 20:24 |
| pupnik | i think the omap consumes about 300mw | 20:24 |
| pupnik | at full-tilt | 20:25 |
| cbx33 | cool | 20:26 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, awesome | 20:26 |
| cbx33 | are there good free roms? | 20:26 |
| pupnik | http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=snes | 20:27 |
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| cbx33 | hmm | 20:28 |
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| unique311 | hello | 20:30 |
| pupnik | hi unique311 | 20:30 |
| unique311 | as much as i hate myspace...i took the time to make some changes to my page...and i think it looks anything but myspace now..besides the stupid google add. | 20:31 |
| unique311 | www.myspace.com/unqiue0nez | 20:31 |
| unique311 | www.myspace.com/unique0nez | 20:31 |
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| zodttd | Hello | 20:32 |
| unique311 | hello zodttd | 20:32 |
| pupnik | \o/!!! | 20:32 |
| zodttd | Found this place from pupnik :) | 20:32 |
| pupnik | welcome zodttd | 20:32 |
| cbx33 | hey zodttd | 20:32 |
| zodttd | I check referrers ;) | 20:32 |
| cbx33 | so what are the best games on the n800 | 20:33 |
| zodttd | I was about to get a Nokia tablet too | 20:33 |
| cbx33 | that require nothing more than a stock n800 | 20:33 |
| pupnik | awesome zodttd | 20:33 |
| unique311 | best games | 20:33 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 20:33 |
| pupnik | are they expensive where you live? | 20:33 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: I would just suck it up and download a real rom dude. Then stop talking about it. :) | 20:33 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, hahah | 20:34 |
| zodttd | There was one on woot.com but it looked too low powered to handle something like OpenTTD more or less PSX4ALL | 20:34 |
| cbx33 | I'll just stick to deving then | 20:34 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 20:34 |
| zodttd | The n800 doesnt run Symbian does it? | 20:34 |
| pupnik | it does not | 20:34 |
| pupnik | linux / maemo (gtk based) | 20:35 |
| zodttd | Ahh its the tablet, the newer version... | 20:35 |
| unique311 | zodttd, java | 20:35 |
| unique311 | lack of | 20:35 |
| unique311 | no symbian | 20:35 |
| pupnik | zodttd: it has powervr and could do opengl es but no drivers yet | 20:36 |
| zodttd | Symbian is scary. I only mention it since there were some plans to get gpSP on the Nokia | 20:36 |
| zodttd | Yipes, drivers...hrmm. | 20:36 |
| pupnik | (may never have drivers, for the psx emu) | 20:36 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: are you going to release the build system / howto for that optimized snes9x build? I *really* want to play with the button mappings and see if it'll go fullscreen. | 20:36 |
| zodttd | Were still using software rasterizers, but we were about to go OpenGL at one point. | 20:36 |
| pupnik | you can modify buttons with http://pupnik.de/snes9x.conf | 20:36 |
| zodttd | Which Snes9x did you port? | 20:37 |
| pupnik | yeah i watched the videos - it looks great esp with the 2s games | 20:37 |
| zodttd | The original, or a port of a port? | 20:37 |
| pupnik | original with tiny modifications 1.40 and 1.50 | 20:37 |
| zodttd | 2d is getting better, Unai is getting frameskipping going. Im constantly working on the dynarec as well. | 20:37 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Very cool. SNES is a hard project when youre in need of optimizations. | 20:38 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Did someone do gpSP (GBA) for the n800 yet? | 20:38 |
| pupnik | i've spent about 80 hours trying to convert drpocketsnes v6 back to work with std linux+sdl | 20:38 |
| zodttd | LOL I bet | 20:38 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: where does it expect to find snes9x.conf? | 20:38 |
| pupnik | /home/user/.snes9x i think, or specify it with -conf | 20:39 |
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| zodttd | pupnik: gpSP is a fairly easy port, though the dynarec's from Exophase and I are a bit tricky. I believe the N800 is an ARM processor, correct? | 20:39 |
| zodttd | Im lazy and not looking things up :P | 20:39 |
| pupnik | yes OMAP 2420 | 20:39 |
| zodttd | Very cool | 20:39 |
| zodttd | Yeah you could probably very well get a dynarec'd gpSP up and going | 20:40 |
| pupnik | somewhat slow framebuffer though, but if done right, writing to it can be largely async | 20:40 |
| zodttd | I remember looking up the N800 (I was offered a good price on an older model :( ) and it seems nice | 20:40 |
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| zodttd | Async will help in that case. I have the same issue of a crappy framebuffer with the Gizmondo | 20:41 |
| zodttd | (yeah Gizmondo heh) | 20:41 |
| pupnik | well i'm going to fight to get whatever i can on the 770. sc2 is 2-3 times faster now. | 20:41 |
| pupnik | (uqm) | 20:41 |
| zodttd | Nice! | 20:41 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: where's the keycode list? Is it using SDL keycode names? | 20:41 |
| pupnik | no sdl | 20:41 |
| pupnik | [Unix/X11 Controls] | 20:41 |
| zodttd | I was going to do the SC2 port for the GP2X. It looked too time consuming so lucky someone was there to pick it up. | 20:42 |
| zodttd | My next project when I get freetime is still the ARM Dynarec for DOSBox. I keep delaying the DOSBox team and theyre probably mad at me by now. :x | 20:42 |
| pupnik | zodttd: do you know if anyone else is working on dynrec for dosbox/ARM? | 20:42 |
| pupnik | heh | 20:42 |
| zodttd | ;) | 20:42 |
| zodttd | Nobody is currently :( | 20:42 |
| zodttd | People seemed scared to do it, but in reality they have a great framework up for a C Dynarec. | 20:43 |
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| zodttd | C Dynarec, as in, all translation is done via external function calls | 20:43 |
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| zodttd | I got a Zaurus C1000 for testing the DOSBox build I made as well | 20:43 |
| pupnik | there was a guy in australia who was doing some sample JIT x86-asm | 20:44 |
| zodttd | Heh very cool. For ARM? | 20:44 |
| pupnik | yes | 20:44 |
| pupnik | s/arm/asm | 20:44 |
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| * cbx33 is trying to compile nmap | 20:44 | |
| pupnik | asm/arm blah | 20:44 |
| pupnik | nmap is available | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | i know | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | but i wanted to try it myself | 20:44 |
| zodttd | Wow impressive. The only thing I've seen was a guy I worked with who did a 286/386 static recompilation of certain games. | 20:45 |
| cbx33 | seeing as i couldn't find the install file | 20:45 |
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| zodttd | Static recompilation of such games is a pain in the arse of course with weird overlays. So I had the idea to go the DOSBox dynarec route. | 20:45 |
| pupnik | yes | 20:45 |
| Hyperion|n800 | has anyone gotten an n800 display at 480x800 (as in high not wide) | 20:46 |
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| zodttd | pupnik: You think a N800 is worth giving psx4all a chance? The controls might be the biggest issue. Performance being the second. | 20:47 |
| pupnik | zodttd: is there anything you use to benchmark dosbox that makes any sense? i find things like mips or checkit are pretty worthless | 20:47 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, now that I've compiled nmap | 20:47 |
| cbx33 | on the ARMEL target | 20:47 |
| cbx33 | can i just copy that binary? | 20:47 |
| zodttd | pupnik: I used a framerate output and tried some basic games. Didnt do any sort of synthetic tests. | 20:47 |
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| zodttd | I wouldnt mind some sort of benchmarking as well. | 20:48 |
| pupnik | zodttd: i have to say i wouldn't buy a n800 hoping for psx emu | 20:48 |
| zodttd | Is it slower than a GP2X? ;P | 20:49 |
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| pupnik | zodttd: no it's faster, you might get 5-6 fps in FF7 combat | 20:49 |
| lasko | hello | 20:49 |
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| zodttd | pupnik: I think GP2X with the latest version on GP2X gets 7 on my end during combat. ;) | 20:50 |
| pupnik | zodttd: I am waiting for an OMAP 3430 device with OpenGL ES | 20:50 |
| pupnik | nice | 20:50 |
| zodttd | OpenGL wont be much help for psx4all, at least not for some time. | 20:50 |
| zodttd | Though if it helps the framebuffer... | 20:50 |
| * cbx33 is just about to play FFVI | 20:50 | |
| pupnik | well i have pcsx running on the 770 | 20:51 |
| pupnik | just no renderer plugin :P | 20:51 |
| zodttd | pupnik: PCSX is a mess. Believe me, I know. ;) | 20:51 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 20:51 |
| pupnik | well of course you should buy a tablet and join the happy family | 20:51 |
| pupnik | porting stuff is really easy | 20:51 |
| zodttd | I had to fix some much stuff in it. Originally psx4all was PCSX back when it was just a port on the Tapwave Zodiac that I did overnight. | 20:51 |
| cbx33 | the n800 rocks | 20:51 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 20:51 |
| lasko | I've got a complicated problem if someone could give me some assistance with my 770 | 20:51 |
| zodttd | s/some/so | 20:52 |
| lasko | I'm trying to find out if there is an IAX client for the 770 that anyone knows about? | 20:52 |
| zodttd | pupnik: If you look really hard you can find some source to psx4all out there, it's very dated though and ugly as all. | 20:52 |
| pupnik | zodttd: i would love to see how your psx emu does on n800 | 20:53 |
| zodttd | It just got buried in all the releases and as I removed the PCSX leftovers I stopped releasing sources. | 20:53 |
| zodttd | Me too :) | 20:53 |
| pupnik | last video i saw was 3 fps in FF7 combat | 20:53 |
| zodttd | Problem is, I remember the N800 being a bit pricey still. | 20:53 |
| pupnik | if the 800 can get that up to 12+ it's going to be awesome | 20:53 |
| pupnik | yeah | 20:54 |
| zodttd | I can make a new FF7 video if you'd like. :) | 20:54 |
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| zodttd | The site needs one anyways | 20:54 |
| cbx33 | coool | 20:54 |
| zodttd | Well the combat in FF7 is normally 15 FPS I believe. | 20:54 |
| zodttd | err 15 or 20, cant remember | 20:54 |
| pupnik | yeah. how hard would it be for you to get your psx emu compiled under desktop linux? | 20:54 |
| zodttd | Well right now it would be a days work | 20:55 |
| pupnik | using alsa / asound and sdl or framebuffer | 20:55 |
| zodttd | We use OSS | 20:55 |
| pupnik | ok that works too | 20:55 |
| zodttd | And SDL | 20:55 |
| zodttd | :) | 20:55 |
| zodttd | So very easy ;) | 20:55 |
| zodttd | SDL is hardware accelerated on all handhelds we've chosen so far | 20:55 |
| pupnik | no HWSURFACE on 770/800 | 20:55 |
| zodttd | I actually made a Linux and Windows build not too long ago | 20:56 |
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| pupnik | but we can do hardware scaling so you only have to deal with a 320x240 screen | 20:56 |
| zodttd | Im suprised nobody's figured out how to directly access the PowerVR yet | 20:56 |
| zodttd | Nice! Thats important | 20:56 |
| pupnik | small community | 20:56 |
| zodttd | Yeah I noticed that when I was about to get a n770 | 20:56 |
| zodttd | I think it was $150 or so | 20:57 |
| pupnik | that's a great deal | 20:57 |
| zodttd | Yup | 20:57 |
| zodttd | I think theyre still cheap at buy.com too | 20:57 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: I remapped the keys. Super Mario World is definitely playable. A bit slow, but playable. | 20:57 |
| zodttd | But I think the n800 is what I'd focus on for my sort of projects | 20:57 |
| blkhawk | are there any "naked" n770 pictures around | 20:57 |
| blkhawk | without case i mean | 20:57 |
| blkhawk | of the board | 20:57 |
| * blkhawk plugs a joystick into his 770 | 20:58 | |
| zodttd | pupnik: If you need some inspiration for SNES, there's some GP2X projects that finally got SNES going playable. | 20:58 |
| blkhawk | trevarthan: why not plug in a joystick? | 20:58 |
| pupnik | yes i know, reesy and squidge | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | blkhawk: :-{ | 20:59 |
| zodttd | Squidge is a good guy. I never spoke much to Reesy. | 20:59 |
| pupnik | zodttd: do you know what memcpy can do on the gp2x? with the mmu hack? | 20:59 |
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| zodttd | The MMU patch edits the TLBs | 20:59 |
| zodttd | Via a patched uname to get Kernel mode | 21:00 |
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| zodttd | All it does is basically mark the upper 32MB of RAM usually not cached due to dual cpu usage, to being cachable. | 21:00 |
| pupnik | aha... on 770 at 190MB/s and 800 about 340 MB/s with aligned 4096-byte memcpy | 21:01 |
| zodttd | Makes sense | 21:01 |
| zodttd | It's probably the width of the cache lines | 21:01 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: what would it take to make it fullscreen? | 21:02 |
| zodttd | SDL_FULLSCREEN | 21:02 |
| zodttd | :) | 21:02 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: have you tried the SDL version? | 21:02 |
| pupnik | trevarthan: gtk wrapper around it. or sdl yes | 21:02 |
| pupnik | what sdl where | 21:02 |
| trevarthan | sdl snes9x? | 21:03 |
| pupnik | url? | 21:03 |
| pupnik | btw if you want to map the top edge buttons they are F8, F7, F6 | 21:04 |
| trevarthan | :) http://www.zsnes.com/ | 21:04 |
| zodttd | Wow pupnik you're a support machine :) | 21:04 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I found them. | 21:04 |
| trevarthan | zsnes isn't as good as snes9x, IMO, but it's got sdl. | 21:04 |
| pupnik | that's another way to say 'bad coder' | 21:04 |
| pupnik | trevarthan: zsnes is 60% x86 asm | 21:05 |
| trevarthan | ooooh. that sucks | 21:05 |
| pupnik | the place to go fishing is gp2x-land | 21:05 |
| pupnik | that is the happy jolly land of emulation with candy in the trees | 21:06 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Not at all a bad coder, more like a friendly one ;) | 21:06 |
| trevarthan | do they have a version of an snes emu using sdl? I thought drpocket was framebuffer? | 21:06 |
| cbx33 | when you save something in "Documents" in the file manager....where does it go? | 21:06 |
| zodttd | GP2X fans are crazy like that :P | 21:06 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: ~/.documents | 21:07 |
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| trevarthan | no... | 21:07 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 21:07 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 21:07 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: ~/MyDocs/.documents ? | 21:07 |
| trevarthan | somewhere like that. | 21:07 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Your DOSBox port looks very cool on the tablet! | 21:08 |
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| zodttd | I really should get that dynarec going | 21:08 |
| pupnik | zodttd: also, Exult is dreamy with scale2x scaler | 21:09 |
| cbx33 | got it | 21:09 |
| cbx33 | so | 21:09 |
| cbx33 | i asked earlier but not sure if people answered | 21:09 |
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| cbx33 | do you generally...a) lock and wireless disable your n800 or b) turn it off | 21:09 |
| cbx33 | when not in use | 21:09 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Heh! Is the scale2x in nicely written assembly or C/C++? | 21:10 |
| zodttd | I havent seen many scalers in ARM assembly. :( | 21:10 |
| trevarthan | I generally leave it plugged in on my desk, then, when I walk around I lock the screen (thus turning it off). That seems to work quite well for me. | 21:10 |
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| pupnik | it's C++ and fast enough so that i can't see a slowdown | 21:10 |
| zodttd | Though if the N800 can do hardware scaling, I'd go that route if it looks good. I'm cheap like that | 21:10 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, ok | 21:10 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Very cool! | 21:10 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, locking screen != turning off though does it | 21:11 |
| pupnik | zodttd: 770 has a faster framebuffer than 800 though, so yes the hw scaling will be implemented soon | 21:11 |
| zodttd | pupnik: Is the N800 much faster than the N770 when it comes to performance of emulators? | 21:11 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: yeah, it's the same. "Lock touch screen and keys" turns the screen off and locks the keys. | 21:12 |
| pupnik | cpu is a lot faster, around 2x from reports i hear | 21:12 |
| zodttd | Nice...I'm looking up prices now | 21:12 |
| cbx33 | trevarthan, CPU still runs though | 21:12 |
| cbx33 | when you switch off it has to do the whole boot up thing again | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | so it must do something different | 21:13 |
| pupnik | the omap cpus draw very little power when sleeping | 21:13 |
| pupnik | s/cpus/socs/ | 21:13 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: the omap socs draw very little power when sleeping | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, ok | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | socs? | 21:13 |
| pupnik | system-on-a-chip | 21:13 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 21:13 |
| trevarthan | does maemo have DGA? | 21:16 |
| blkhawk | I relly need that 1.1 kernel :/ | 21:16 |
| blkhawk | ls | 21:16 |
| blkhawk | whoops | 21:16 |
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| pupnik | trevarthan: no | 21:19 |
| cbx33 | cool | 21:20 |
| cbx33 | just compiled nmap | 21:20 |
| cbx33 | shame nmapfe doesn't fit properly | 21:20 |
| * cbx33 is loving scratchbox | 21:21 | |
| cbx33 | I'm gonna do a total n00b guide for SB tomorrow | 21:21 |
| zodttd | $360 shipped isn't too bad. Seems to be the common price. | 21:21 |
| zodttd | Where's the largest community site for Nokia N770/N800's? | 21:21 |
| trevarthan | itt? | 21:22 |
| trevarthan | internet tablet talk or whatever... | 21:22 |
| pupnik | internettablettalk.com and the maemo-developers and maemo-users list | 21:22 |
| zodttd | Cool :) | 21:22 |
| pupnik | then for projects there's garage.maemo.org and... well the software is spread around a lot of sites | 21:22 |
| zodttd | Yeah Garage.maemo.org was the one I went to earlier when looking at the N770. CHecking out ITT now | 21:23 |
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| cbx33 | is there a vnc server for n880? | 21:24 |
| cbx33 | n800 | 21:25 |
| blkhawk | you got a n880 already? | 21:25 |
| blkhawk | cool | 21:25 |
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| trevarthan | freaking alsa-oss require po4a which requires perl crap | 21:28 |
| trevarthan | ugh | 21:28 |
| trevarthan | cbx33: yes. not sure where though. check the maemo.org's downloads section maybe? | 21:29 |
| cbx33 | there is a client | 21:29 |
| cbx33 | .....wanted to do a presentation about scratch box | 21:29 |
| trevarthan | oh. might have to build it. not sure. | 21:29 |
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| zodttd | pupnik: Are you ArnimS on ITT? | 21:30 |
| pupnik | yes | 21:30 |
| zodttd | Cool. Nice avatar btw :) | 21:30 |
| pupnik | hehe | 21:30 |
| pupnik | i took that shortly after getting my Nokia 770 | 21:31 |
| zodttd | I saw the PCSX post. I'm itching to see how it runs on it | 21:31 |
| zodttd | Do you have a 800 as well? | 21:31 |
| pupnik | no | 21:31 |
| pupnik | but developing for both is not a problem | 21:32 |
| zodttd | Awesome :) | 21:32 |
| zodttd | Is the GCC for it the standard ARM GCC 3.xx | 21:32 |
| zodttd | (unless doing kernel work where its usually 2.6x) | 21:32 |
| pupnik | gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2 in my current dev environment | 21:33 |
| zodttd | Nice :) | 21:33 |
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| pupnik | i forgot, have you used any -fprofile with gcc? | 21:34 |
| zodttd | No, sadly it's a pain to get going on most handhelds I use | 21:34 |
| pupnik | -fprofile-arcs for e.g.? | 21:34 |
| pupnik | ok i just ran -fprofile-arcs, and copied back the .gcda files and recompiled with -fprofile-use on a test program | 21:35 |
| zodttd | I dont think the GCC for the GP2X supports it either. Its meant for X86 but it can be worked around | 21:35 |
| pupnik | and i got no complaints | 21:35 |
| pupnik | ah | 21:35 |
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| zodttd | From what I understand, that wasnt meant for anything but X86, so profile-arcs wouldnt work unless you compiled the program for the X86 host | 21:36 |
| zyxulnaga | where can I find an armel version of osso-screenshot-tool? | 21:36 |
| zodttd | But it can be helpful data even for ARM builds, if you use that workaround | 21:36 |
| zodttd | Maybe that changed though? | 21:36 |
| pupnik | oh ok thanks i have no idea - i did get resulting code that was far slower (simple sdl blitting test) | 21:36 |
| pupnik | someone was talking about doing an oprofile kernel | 21:37 |
| pupnik | zyxulnaga: contact the author and threaten with troutslapping | 21:37 |
| zyxulnaga | good idea | 21:37 |
| zyxulnaga | I found an arm and i386 version | 21:38 |
| zyxulnaga | I guess I have to cross compile | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: have you looked at bsnes? Looks like he's got a linux/sdl version... http://byuu.cinnamonpirate.com/?page=bsnes_news | 21:38 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/2.2/maemo-packages--2.2.html zyxulnaga it should be in the repository | 21:39 |
| zodttd | SNES is such a mess of a project generally | 21:39 |
| pupnik | yeah i've looked at the older SNES sources - very DOS-centric | 21:39 |
| zodttd | Yes, for porting most werent written with performance in mind either | 21:39 |
| zodttd | Also the GPU code is usually oddly written | 21:40 |
| zodttd | I hear nightmare stories about SNES | 21:40 |
| trevarthan | terrible license on bsnes. he's basically like "you can compile it, but don't touch or I own your nuts". | 21:41 |
| blkhawk | is it normal that 2GB mmc cards won't work in older usb cardreaders? | 21:42 |
| trevarthan | yes | 21:42 |
| blkhawk | ah | 21:42 |
| trevarthan | sdhc cards don't work in non-sdhc readers. | 21:42 |
| blkhawk | good - means i got a free "broken" mmc card :D | 21:42 |
| trevarthan | :) I'll take it. | 21:43 |
| trevarthan | it'll work in an n800.... | 21:43 |
| * blkhawk is building a franken-2.2-arm release | 21:43 | |
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| blkhawk | this will be fun | 21:44 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: does MESS work? | 21:46 |
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| pupnik | never tried it | 21:47 |
| trevarthan | lists the snes as one of it's supported emulation targets.. | 21:47 |
| trevarthan | I've never tried it either. I always thought it was a fork of mame, but it looks like an snes emulator. | 21:48 |
| trevarthan | supports sdl. :) | 21:48 |
| Hyperion|n800 | anyone know where the maemo xorg.conf equivalent is located? | 21:48 |
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| blkhawk | wher does the kernel source usually hide in the rootstrap? | 21:50 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: http://www.schoenke.com/tyler/nokia770/index.html#xMESS | 21:51 |
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| pupnik | have you tried it trevarthan ? | 21:53 |
| trevarthan | trying now | 21:53 |
| trevarthan | think I need the snes rom... | 21:53 |
| blkhawk | what are the prerequisites for the2.2 kernel? do i start with a vanilla kernel source? | 21:54 |
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| disq | trevarthan: just watched linus talk about git. for 70 minutes. i got tired but it was good :) | 21:57 |
| disq | (on youtube :P ) | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | stupid pupnik has me obsessed with snes emus now. :) | 21:58 |
| disq | i noticed :P | 21:58 |
| zodttd | That git | 21:58 |
| FunkyPenguin | was abiword ported to mistral/bora same as gnumeric? | 21:59 |
| zodttd | Linus loves to be an arse on video :P | 21:59 |
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| trevarthan | ok. pupnik, I'll mess with xmess later. Gotta find spc700.rom first. Not going to search for that here. I'll let you know what I find. | 22:01 |
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| pupnik | trevarthan: apt-get install xmess-sdl on a debian box | 22:02 |
| trevarthan | I only run gentoo at home | 22:02 |
| trevarthan | only win32 at work. and besides, they don't come with roms, I think. | 22:02 |
| blkhawk | oh great NOW i manage to get the right kernel source for the original kernel | 22:02 |
| blkhawk | sheesh | 22:02 |
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| TimRiker | is there a fix for when the scrollbars and highlighting get all messed up other than reflashing? | 22:03 |
| TimRiker | Seems to happen sometimes when my n800(s) are not cleanly shutdown. | 22:04 |
| pupnik | TimRiker: try switching themes | 22:04 |
| TimRiker | the displno joy. | 22:05 |
| TimRiker | we no joy. | 22:05 |
| TimRiker | er... sheesh. | 22:05 |
| * TimRiker tries again.... | 22:05 | |
| TimRiker | switching themes does change the color of the titlebar, but it does not bring back the color on scrollbars etc. | 22:05 |
| TimRiker | so I can't see the keyboards, or scrollbars etc. | 22:06 |
| TimRiker | reboot does not help. | 22:06 |
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| TimRiker | This has happened to me like 5 times now. the only solution I've found is to reflash. then I have to re-customized everything again. | 22:06 |
| TimRiker | happens on both of my devices, so it's unlikely it's a hardware issue. | 22:07 |
| TimRiker | It acts like some config file is not saved correctly, and the system can't create a new working one. | 22:07 |
| TimRiker | all the apps/menus work, but I can't see things correctly. | 22:08 |
| TimRiker | the scrollbars appear all white. ie: the arrow space, the scroll space, the tab, etc are all 100% white. so I can't even see that there is a scrollbar there. | 22:08 |
| TimRiker | the keyboards (large and small) are also all white. no keys visible at all. I can find any key by trial and error, but see nothing. | 22:09 |
| TimRiker | this is particularly useful when entering passwords :/ | 22:09 |
| TimRiker | any thoughts other than switching themes? can I blast a dir in user's home and cause anything to get re-created? | 22:10 |
| TimRiker | re-installing is a royal pain. need to re-enter the install sources, reinstall ssh to get remote access, sync the packages back, etc. ugh. | 22:11 |
| TimRiker | takes me a couple hours each time this happens. | 22:11 |
| pupnik | this only happens with latest firmware? | 22:11 |
| TimRiker | I'm on the latest now, but I have seen it on both devices once on the previous firmware. | 22:12 |
| pupnik | what is causing unclean shutdowns? | 22:15 |
| TimRiker | is there a screenshot utility? I'd take a piture and show you. | 22:16 |
| pupnik | opera crashes/reboots? | 22:16 |
| TimRiker | this last one the device locked up while doing bluetooth net with a phone. | 22:16 |
| TimRiker | had to pull the battery. no buttons worked etc. | 22:16 |
| pupnik | hmm. i never had crashes on 770/2.2 but i do now on it2007he | 22:16 |
| TimRiker | but other times it's happened on what looks like a normal power cycle. ie: power down from the menu, then power up, and I'm in no-scrollbar mode. | 22:17 |
| TimRiker | one time it happened without a reboot. my daughter was just tapping things on the screen, and poof.. away went the scrollbars and colors. | 22:18 |
| TimRiker | like I say, everything still works. it just does not display correctly. | 22:18 |
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| pupnik | i don't know the answer, someone mentioned resetting themes once - maybe you can ssh into the device and reinstall a theme or an alternate theme | 22:21 |
| pupnik | but this is a job for google | 22:21 |
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| TimRiker | :( | 22:22 |
| TimRiker | I've googled this but can't seem to find any info. just white-screen-of-death references which does not appear to be what I'm seeing. | 22:22 |
| TimRiker | is there a screenshot app in maemo? | 22:24 |
| pupnik | osso-screenshot-tool | 22:25 |
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| pupnik | or digicam + macro mode | 22:25 |
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| * TimRiker ssh's into his tablet over sprint wireless. :) | 22:29 | |
| TimRiker | I should put a web server on it and dyndns. :) | 22:30 |
| TimRiker | http://rikers.org/tmp/maemomess.png | 22:33 |
| TimRiker | that's a current screenshot. | 22:33 |
| TimRiker | not a very useful keyboard is it? | 22:34 |
| procto | looks like Hildon is fucked up | 22:36 |
| disq | it's just the theming | 22:36 |
| * TimRiker nods. and like I say, it gets in the state often. | 22:36 | |
| procto | if it's just the theming why does it persist? | 22:36 |
| procto | I'm still a newb (got my n800 last week) | 22:37 |
| procto | but what about redpilling and reinstalling hildon | 22:37 |
| TimRiker | switching themes does NOT fix it. though it does change the visible colors. | 22:37 |
| procto | ? | 22:37 |
| TimRiker | I can ssh in. perhaps I'll try that. but I expect there is a config in /home/user/ someplace that needs rebuilding or something like that. | 22:37 |
| procto | right | 22:38 |
| procto | so I'm thinking reinstalling the right packages | 22:38 |
| procto | will do that | 22:38 |
| procto | without requiring a reflash | 22:38 |
| procto | you might have to go one by one reinstalling packages | 22:38 |
| procto | and rebooting | 22:38 |
| procto | because if a reflash fixed it | 22:38 |
| procto | that must be it | 22:38 |
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| alterego | Anyone have an issue after they installed the mozilla based browser on the N800? I click on form input fields and the onscreen keyboard flashes up and dissapears. | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | hmm. restarting X causes the n800 to reboot. :/ | 22:43 |
| TimRiker | reminder to self... don't killall Xomap remotely. | 22:43 |
| procto | alterego: microb or minimo? | 22:47 |
| procto | alterego: I'm having no trouble with microb | 22:47 |
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| alterego | procto, microb | 22:50 |
| guardian | evening maemo | 22:51 |
| alterego | Funny thing is. I've uninstalled it now, yet the menu item in the web-browser is still there and I'm still getting this odd behaviour. | 22:51 |
| TimRiker | hmm. removed theme2 and it's config and tried to reinstall, and they are not in the pkg feeds!?! | 22:52 |
| TimRiker | nice. looks like there are base packages that are not in any feed, just on the install rom. That's a Very Bad Thing. | 22:52 |
| * TimRiker reflashes yet again... :( | 22:57 | |
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| pupnik | AAUGH psion netbook pro going for 130 euro | 23:13 |
| pupnik | ah no it went up to 224 sorry srory | 23:14 |
| zodttd | heh | 23:14 |
| zodttd | The Asus Eee looks cool | 23:14 |
| pupnik | yep | 23:14 |
| zodttd | Also theres a similar one by a Japanese company that people on oesf.org are getting to replace Zaurus' | 23:14 |
| florian | pupnik: that's still quite cheap | 23:15 |
| pupnik | btw the guys hacking the linux kernel for the netbook pro are not finished | 23:15 |
| pupnik | eyah it's the oesf.org guys working on the netbook | 23:15 |
| zodttd | Oh cool | 23:15 |
| * florian starts to understand why people are interested in it now | 23:15 | |
| zodttd | They're pretty cocky though | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | yeah 400mhz xscale, 800x480 tft, and a beautiful keyboard | 23:17 |
| * pupnik still has a 32MB netbook with crap dstn screen | 23:17 | |
| pupnik | but it was fine for rxvt and vnc | 23:17 |
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| joshin | Is the CPU in the N770 so slow that I should expect my ancient Zaurus 5500 to outperform it when attempting to listen to an audio stream in mplayer? | 23:27 |
| pupnik | .. just so nobody gets hurt | 23:27 |
| pupnik | no | 23:27 |
| pupnik | if you are getting breakups, increase cache | 23:28 |
| joshin | I didn't think so. I need to wrap my head around this. | 23:28 |
| joshin | Cache is huge already. | 23:28 |
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| pupnik | open a terminal and check cpu use with 'top' | 23:29 |
| joshin | CPU is maxed. | 23:29 |
| joshin | pupnik: I'm quite Linux literate but not yet super familiar with all the DSP stuff of the 770. | 23:29 |
| trevarthan | joshin: how much ram are you using? might be attempting to swap | 23:30 |
| joshin | trevarthan: I've tried it using the stock .17 defaults as well as ranging up to a 1MB cache. | 23:31 |
| pupnik | mplayer is taking up high cpu while playing a stream? | 23:31 |
| joshin | I killed off all non essential processes, disabled applets, and made sure that swap was enabled. | 23:32 |
| pupnik | is this a public stream we can try? | 23:32 |
| joshin | Yup, it really shouldn't be. | 23:32 |
| joshin | Yeah, give me a minute. Stupid clear-channel has been randomizing URLs to prevent people from ripping their streams. What was just me wanting to listen to an amusing segment on a radio show has turned into a quest... :) | 23:33 |
| joshin | mms://a1823.l1975111526.c19751.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1823/19751/v0001/reflector:11526?auth=caEcIa8cobYaJcjbobqcJckc9dIcZdrasck-bgPrc2-4q-PLXX4_1nqFJoq2ICslvtxs&aifp=1234&CPROG=SIMULCAST&MARKET=PHOENIX-AZ&MNM=1&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&NG_ID=kfyi550am&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&RVN_TZ=-7&SERVER_NAME=wwwkfyicom&SITE_ID=622&STATION_ID=KFYI-AM | 23:34 |
| pupnik | breaking up here too | 23:35 |
| joshin | Bummer. | 23:36 |
| joshin | It works ok on my SL5500 running a built-by-me version of OZ. Sigh. | 23:37 |
| joshin | Thanks! | 23:37 |
| pupnik | something odd about that ffwmav2 afm: ffmpeg (DivX audio v2) decoder - other streams are no problem | 23:38 |
| joshin | Thanks for looking at it. Maybe I'll just grab the stream on my server and reform it to something the 770 can handle. | 23:39 |
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| whaq | Are there Palm or PPC emulator for Maemo? | 23:43 |
| rowlandchane | hi people | 23:43 |
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| whaq | hi person | 23:44 |
| pupnik | whaq: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pose/ | 23:44 |
| rowlandchane | I've a question: I was grabbing the camera API, and it hasn't got the "take_photo" implementation, where can i find it? | 23:44 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/POSE_0_01_Nokia_770.jpg | 23:44 |
| whaq | pupnik: aahhhh POSE, I was thinking of PACE somehow.. | 23:44 |
| whaq | thanks | 23:45 |
| pupnik | it needs work - check internettablettalk.com forums for usage details | 23:45 |
| whaq | nice | 23:45 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: how would I write a gtk wrapper for snes9x that does fullscreen? And why hasn't someone done that already? | 23:45 |
| whaq | any option to stretch\pixel doubling or whatnot? | 23:46 |
| trevarthan | I've been researching it, and it looks hopeless as the snes9x developers clearly have a really bad disposition toward SDL. | 23:46 |
| rowlandchane | sorry, found | 23:47 |
| rowlandchane | :P | 23:47 |
| trevarthan | They seem to think that opengl is the future, but we don't have opengl, even in software... | 23:47 |
| pupnik | trev - i duno ... http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 23:48 |
| Veggen | Hmm. close-areas.pl wasn't executable. Wonder...if it didn't run? | 23:50 |
| Veggen | #wrong. | 23:50 |
| trevarthan | :q | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | crap | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: does snes9x run in scratchbox? | 23:52 |
| pupnik | i'll see | 23:54 |
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| trevarthan | Looks like gtk_window_fullscreen() and gtk_window_unfullscreen() are the methods we need to call, perhaps with a small gtk wrapper around the snes9x window? | 23:54 |
| pupnik | runs then stops | 23:55 |
| trevarthan | you mind sending me the source and your compile/configure args? | 23:56 |
| pupnik | no | 23:58 |
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