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| ||cw | VladDrac: maemo.org, wiki, application catalog | 00:06 |
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| Aceado | Hi how can i get x-chat full screen? | 00:10 |
| Aceado | Ive got a 770 | 00:10 |
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| ||cw | Aceado: the full screen button doens't do it? | 00:12 |
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| Aceado | Nope | 00:13 |
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| rittyan2 | Hi, which repo should I add in order to have libglade for nokia n800? | 00:20 |
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| * VladDrac 's trying his first app install, 'pidgin' | 00:21 | |
| VladDrac | but it's failing with a very uninformative "Package not found" | 00:22 |
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| ||cw | VladDrac: did you add the source for it? | 00:26 |
| VladDrac | I followed the instructions on http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:26 |
| VladDrac | installed three sources, updated, chose 'pidin' from 'instantmessaging' | 00:27 |
| VladDrac | in installed, seemed fine until the very end | 00:27 |
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| Cegy | can someone tell me how i can get the file broswer type thing when i shh to my 770 ? | 00:33 |
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| VladDrac | hmm, I wonder what account to login when installing the dropbear ssh server | 00:33 |
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| mgedmin | Cegy: "the file broswer type thing"? perhaps you mean midnight commander? | 00:34 |
| Cegy | can u get it for windows tho ? | 00:34 |
| Cegy | :| | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | in that case you don't mean midnight commander, I guess | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | do you want to browse the 770's files on your computer through a ssh connection? in linux I'd suggest sshfs | 00:35 |
| Cegy | yeah | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | I don't know if a windows solution exists... perhaps some SFTP client | 00:35 |
| Cegy | i was gonna use winscp but i think i need to install open shh | 00:36 |
| VladDrac | does anyone know what password to login with after installing dropbear? (or where to configure it) | 00:36 |
| sp3000 | VladDrac: look in the appmanagers log | 00:36 |
| sp3000 | menu tools -> log | 00:36 |
| Cegy | user:root pass:rootme | 00:36 |
| sp3000 | usually has details when you get one of its useless error dialogs | 00:37 |
| VladDrac | cegy: tx | 00:37 |
| VladDrac | sp3000: thanks for the tip. Still need to find my way around the system | 00:37 |
| mgedmin | Cegy: yes, if you want to use scp/sftp, you need to have an ssh server running on the 770 | 00:37 |
| * VladDrac used to hack his sharp zaurus 2 years ago.. the 770 is way better :) | 00:37 | |
| Cegy | which 1 would i use for that on the 770 ? | 00:38 |
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| mgedmin | Cegy: I've used openssh with great success. I never tried dropbear | 00:39 |
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| VladDrac | "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/.... libice6_6.3.4-2_armel.deb and libsm6_6.0.4-3osso1_armel.deb | 00:40 |
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| Cegy | where can i get openshh from? | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | VladDrac: maybe need to refresh? tools -> ... | 00:46 |
| VladDrac | sp3000: that's not it | 00:46 |
| VladDrac | (tried apt-get update as well) | 00:46 |
| Cegy | mgedmin ? | 00:46 |
| sp3000 | Cegy: maemo.org/downloads, search, should generally do it? | 00:47 |
| Cegy | no luck there | 00:47 |
| sp3000 | what flavor of no luck? | 00:47 |
| Cegy | as in i can't find it there | 00:47 |
| mgedmin | Cegy: what did you look for? | 00:47 |
| Cegy | open shh? | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | that's why | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | it's S S H, not S H H | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | Secure SHell | 00:48 |
| Cegy | cheers | 00:48 |
| sp3000 | VladDrac: doesn't it give more details on subsequent lines? | 00:48 |
| Cegy | the client/server is the 1 i want right? | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | probably not | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | I think that's dropbear | 00:49 |
| VladDrac | Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libice6 6.3.4-2 | 00:49 |
| VladDrac | 404 Not Found [IP: 213.155.151.176 80] | 00:49 |
| VladDrac | Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libsm6 1:6.0.4-3osso1 | 00:49 |
| VladDrac | 404 Not Found [IP: 213.155.151.176 80] | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | well, you could try it | 00:49 |
| rittyan2 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271 <- I wonder if it's my problem too :| bug is old and it has no comments | 00:49 |
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| mgedmin | but don't ask me for help, as I've never tried it | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | openssh is the one I've used | 00:49 |
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| mgedmin | the only trick is that to install it you need to use http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 00:49 |
| Cegy | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh | 00:49 |
| Cegy | thats it isn't it? | 00:49 |
| sp3000 | VladDrac: hm, I guess it sounds like something about the mistral repo is being broken | 00:51 |
| VladDrac | it does | 00:51 |
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| VladDrac | btw what kind of restoration/debricking features does the 770 have? | 00:54 |
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| VladDrac | btw adding sources for 'gregale' seems to fix my issues | 00:55 |
| sp3000 | the backup app backs up some stuff, manual backing up via e.g. scp, reflash | 00:55 |
| VladDrac | ah.. there it is :) | 00:55 |
| VladDrac | "Welcome to Pidgin!" :) | 00:56 |
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| Presence_ | does pidgin work now? | 01:01 |
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| rittyan | does any of you have evince installed? | 01:02 |
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| rittyan | if so, could somebody please tell me where did he get libglade2-0, because on attempt to install evince from bora-extras repository I have the following error: "Application packages missing: libglade2-0" | 01:07 |
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| disq | gah. SDL doesn't recognize the headset button keysym and instead of passing it on it just eats the event | 01:12 |
| disq | you get "X11: Unknown xsym, sym = 0x1008ff6e". great. (it's in https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libsdl1.2/src/video/x11/SDL_x11events.c ) | 01:12 |
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| alterego | How stable is the SVN generally? | 01:15 |
| disq | the svn? which one? | 01:15 |
| alterego | Maemo, hildon | 01:15 |
| disq | stable? you mean the trunk? it's work in progress so i wouldn't expect much | 01:17 |
| alterego | Right | 01:18 |
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| pupnik | i need a job | 01:20 |
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| alterego | Get one then :P | 01:20 |
| pupnik | what do you do alterego | 01:21 |
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| alterego | I admin VDS servers, consultancy, web design custom apps. | 01:22 |
| alterego | Whatever people want me to do really. | 01:22 |
| alterego | If I want to do it that is. | 01:22 |
| pupnik | what country | 01:23 |
| alterego | UK | 01:23 |
| pupnik | doing it on your own or as part of a company | 01:24 |
| alterego | A bit of both. | 01:24 |
| alterego | I work a bit by myself, but I have long term contracts with companies that get me to do things for them and their clients. | 01:24 |
| pupnik | good contacts then... you doing the project management too? customer side? or mainly on the grunt side? | 01:24 |
| alterego | Mainly project management and grunt work. I'm the guy they get in when no one else can do it. | 01:25 |
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| alterego | Probably because of my price tag ^_^ | 01:25 |
| pupnik | i was doing that stuff for big money back in 2000 | 01:26 |
| pupnik | the lies got to me | 01:26 |
| disq | same here. though i don't like dealing directly with clients | 01:26 |
| alterego | I'd like to get into R&D but I dunno what. | 01:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'm not a fan of clients either :) | 01:26 |
| alterego | Which is the nice thing of having proxy businesses. | 01:26 |
| pupnik | my opinion is that business is 30-40% ass rape | 01:27 |
| pupnik | if you have some kind of talent where you can do honest business, you belong to a lucky few | 01:27 |
| alterego | I stiff them they stiff the next guy ^_^ | 01:27 |
| pupnik | it's the same with car mechanics | 01:28 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:28 |
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| alterego | I think it's just the way the world works, | 01:28 |
| alterego | I don't really stiff people. I charge a basic £50 p/h | 01:29 |
| pupnik | well, that's true. but then rape, murder and robbery are more honest. | 01:29 |
| pupnik | at least then you're not screwing someone while trying to convince them they should be grateful | 01:29 |
| alterego | They know that, if they weren't happy paying it. Or didn't think I was worth it they'd employ the idiots they used to that screw everything up :) | 01:29 |
| pupnik | yeah you know what | 01:29 |
| pupnik | the real money is in milking the government tits | 01:29 |
| alterego | Income support? | 01:30 |
| alterego | You want to be a Chav? | 01:30 |
| pupnik | because the government is the big mafioso | 01:30 |
| pupnik | no | 01:30 |
| pupnik | like Ellison | 01:30 |
| alterego | Ah, civil contracts. | 01:30 |
| pupnik | Oracle | 01:30 |
| pupnik | yep | 01:30 |
| alterego | I'd love to get into that ;) | 01:30 |
| timtimred | the real money is in finance :) | 01:30 |
| pupnik | big fat tits | 01:30 |
| pupnik | well people in irc are not qualified to talk about that stuff | 01:31 |
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| timtimred | alterego, just phone an agency, if you are in or near london it wont take long! :) | 01:32 |
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| alterego | I like in Cambridge, so not far out ^_^ | 01:33 |
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| alterego | ~live | 01:33 |
| * infobot rises from the dead and starts eating people. | 01:33 | |
| alterego | O_O | 01:33 |
| alterego | Hahah | 01:33 |
| timtimred | cambridge is a weird outer london IT haven too | 01:33 |
| timtimred | citrix and ARM are there and then some | 01:33 |
| alterego | Yeah, I love it hear :D | 01:34 |
| alterego | Probably one of the prettiest/scenic industrial areas in the country. | 01:34 |
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| alterego | My first Ruby Maemo app is going to be a decent archive (compression/decompression) utility. | 01:35 |
| * alterego gets started. | 01:36 | |
| timtimred | alterego im pretty near you in chelmsford (relatively, for irc) but commute into the square mile | 01:36 |
| b52laptop | stupid question : maemo will run in another device except nokia n770/800 :d ? | 01:36 |
| alterego | b52laptop, sure. | 01:36 |
| b52laptop | alterego, euh for example ? | 01:37 |
| alterego | I wouldn't mind commuting to London. | 01:37 |
| alterego | b52laptop, google.com | 01:37 |
| b52laptop | alterego, thanks :) | 01:37 |
| alterego | (Don't know off hand ;) | 01:37 |
| b52laptop | didn't know that one :d | 01:37 |
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| alterego | The amount of research I've put in over the past days I get a little short when people can't be bothered to put the effort in themselves. | 01:39 |
| b52laptop | euh ! | 01:43 |
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| b52laptop | alterego, i think i have said "thanks for answering " no need to push to thing further ... | 01:43 |
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| Tak | perfect for the ITs: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/sm | 01:46 |
| alterego | b52laptop, it was just a general comment. I didn't mean anything against you personally. | 01:47 |
| alterego | More about my bad temper :P | 01:47 |
| * b52laptop offer to alterego a cup of tea true TCP paquet :d | 01:48 | |
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| Aceado | Can someone tell me wat is safe 2 remove from the app man with the red pill enable? | 01:56 |
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| * Tak would guess nothing that you can't remove without it enabled | 01:58 | |
| Aceado | I mean i have the reb pill enable and i can see everythink installed and wanting 2 know wat is safe 2 remove? | 02:00 |
| alterego | Aceado, why do you want to remove anything? | 02:01 |
| alterego | You'd suppose that some things are installed their for a reason. | 02:01 |
| Tak | I would say that everything that's "safe" to remove is already removable in blue pill mode | 02:01 |
| alterego | If not installed by you that is. | 02:01 |
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| Aceado | Well im in the red mode so are u saying not 2remove anything from there but only on the bue mobe.? | 02:03 |
| Tak | that certainly seems like the safest course of action | 02:04 |
| Aceado | Blue mode | 02:04 |
| Aceado | Ok | 02:04 |
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| Aceado | Is there anyway 4 me 2 browse my 770 internal memory? | 02:05 |
| alterego | What do you mean browse Aceado? | 02:07 |
| alterego | And what memory? | 02:07 |
| Aceado | The internal 1 | 02:07 |
| Aceado | Flash memory | 02:08 |
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| procto | so what does it mean if when I try to turn my n800 on, it shows the Nokia splash screen, and then just remains black? | 02:12 |
| procto | I left it on for a while, but I locked the screen and keys and assumed that would keep battery useage low | 02:13 |
| procto | does it just mean the battery is slow? | 02:13 |
| Aceado | Its bricked maybe? | 02:14 |
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| procto | bricked? | 02:14 |
| procto | I'm hoping the battery just died | 02:15 |
| procto | oh, so if the battery dies while asleep, this happens? | 02:15 |
| Tak | does this happen when it's plugged in as well? | 02:17 |
| procto | I don't know yet | 02:18 |
| procto | I'm at work, charger's at home | 02:18 |
| procto | so I'm gonna try it when I get there | 02:18 |
| Tak | sounds like the battery's just dead | 02:18 |
| procto | I really hope the battery's just dead | 02:18 |
| procto | and not bricked | 02:18 |
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| procto | guess people only check the chan right before leaving :> | 02:19 |
| procto | so I'm gonna head home now, too | 02:19 |
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| unique311 | hellos | 02:24 |
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| sciboy | What was the cause of the WSoD anyhow? | 02:55 |
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| sciboy | Is it just me or does it look like they're going to be distributing the n800 in more countries this time? | 03:39 |
| sciboy | On the Aussie Nokia site it's listed as an "upcoming model" | 03:40 |
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| disq | on the turkish site it's listed as the "n800 phone" | 03:45 |
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| sciboy | If they are, I'm better off holding out until I can get a proper warranty. =P | 03:49 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 04:42 |
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| NeoStrider | hello there | 05:14 |
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| unique311 | whats up NeoStrider | 05:25 |
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| NeoStrider | hey unique311! | 05:27 |
| NeoStrider | my memory is weak...did you ever tried maemowizard? | 05:27 |
| NeoStrider | were you the one who tried it? or it was pupnik? | 05:27 |
| Radar | I hate how opera only loads when it has focus | 05:30 |
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| unique311 | maemowizard, not me... | 05:37 |
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| N838901 | hello | 05:43 |
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| NeoStrider | hello | 05:45 |
| _Monkey | niihau, NeoStrider | 05:45 |
| N838901 | how do i use the application manager to keep my tablet packages up to date? | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | niihau, _Monkey! | 05:45 |
| _Monkey | hello, NeoStrider | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | I guess there is a option on menu to update them | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | I dont do that often, as I dont have wifi here | 05:45 |
| NeoStrider | whats up, _Monkey?! | 05:46 |
| _Monkey | neostrider: i haven't a clue | 05:46 |
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| NeoStrider | _Monkey, are you a user or a developer? | 05:52 |
| _Monkey | i don't know, neostrider | 05:52 |
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| unique311 | free phone calls on the nokia N800 | 06:40 |
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| unique311 | i will have a tutorial as soon as possible.. | 06:40 |
| unique311 | if you can't wait. | 06:41 |
| unique311 | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:41 |
| unique311 | install that... | 06:41 |
| unique311 | http://www.freecall.com/en/sipp.html <--- register for an account here | 06:42 |
| unique311 | requires you downloading their client in order to setup and account...but uninstall it when you finish setting up your account and run spyware program. | 06:42 |
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| unique311 | after you setup your account with freecall, set up account freecall account following 1st. link. | 06:43 |
| unique311 | and call anyone. | 06:43 |
| unique311 | any landline.. | 06:43 |
| unique311 | only outbound calls.. | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | and gizmo? | 06:44 |
| _Monkey | i heard gizmo was sip compliant | 06:44 |
| unique311 | well yeah | 06:44 |
| unique311 | can also set it up in gizmo | 06:44 |
| NeoStrider | bleh...N800 only | 06:44 |
| unique311 | not sure.. | 06:44 |
| unique311 | install gizmo and give it a go. | 06:44 |
| unique311 | i have it setup with the default client that comes with the n800 | 06:45 |
| unique311 | but if gizmo support sip..you can set it up with gizmo. | 06:45 |
| unique311 | it works. | 06:45 |
| NeoStrider | got gizmo on my 770 | 06:46 |
| NeoStrider | I dont have wifi now | 06:46 |
| NeoStrider | but I will try it very soon | 06:46 |
| unique311 | wifi needed. | 06:46 |
| unique311 | going to ITT it... | 06:46 |
| NeoStrider | itt? | 06:49 |
| _Monkey | itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 06:49 |
| NeoStrider | ohh | 06:49 |
| NeoStrider | ok | 06:49 |
| unique311 | yes | 06:50 |
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| unique311 | rwhitby, i tried it with freecalls....theirs other sip providers you might want to give it a go with.... | 06:58 |
| unique311 | http://www.isolvesystems.com/services/Telephone_Phone/VOIP_IP_Telephony_Internet_Telephony_Service_Providers.htm | 06:58 |
| unique311 | other providers | 06:58 |
| rwhitby | unique311: I have accounts with Gizmo, Nodephone and Voxalot already :-) | 06:59 |
| unique311 | ok | 06:59 |
| rwhitby | I use Gizmo on the n800 almost daily for long calls between Australia and the USA. | 06:59 |
| unique311 | nodephone or Vosalot offer free outbound? | 06:59 |
| rwhitby | Nodephone offers free nothing. Voxalot is part of sipphone. | 07:00 |
| rwhitby | Looks like I'll get a FreeCall account too :-) | 07:01 |
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| rwhitby | Voxalot is good for inbound calls. | 07:02 |
| rwhitby | and you can set it up to route to multiple outbound providers too | 07:02 |
| unique311 | free inbounds.... | 07:07 |
| unique311 | that is what i need now.. | 07:08 |
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| unique311 | can you recieve calls to you voxalot number rwhitby | 07:10 |
| NeoStrider | good night, fellows | 07:11 |
| NeoStrider | im leaving | 07:11 |
| NeoStrider | 1 AM here in Brazil | 07:11 |
| unique311 | 1212 here in NYC | 07:12 |
| NeoStrider | here , in Rio de Janeiro, 1:13, actually | 07:13 |
| unique311 | brasil got some fine ladies... | 07:14 |
| unique311 | one of my good friends from brasil....lovely model | 07:14 |
| unique311 | www.lalabrasil.com | 07:14 |
| NeoStrider | not everygirl | 07:15 |
| NeoStrider | im sure it has as much as NY | 07:15 |
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| unique311 | everygirl from NY is from out of town... | 07:16 |
| unique311 | overseas... | 07:16 |
| NeoStrider | ...and thats why you have plenty of time to use all this voip stuff =-P | 07:17 |
| unique311 | wanna trade places NeoStrider... | 07:17 |
| NeoStrider | ohhh....Im sure you dont want that | 07:17 |
| NeoStrider | otherwise I would gladly trade places with you | 07:17 |
| unique311 | you right...i don't want to do that.... | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | ;-) | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | well | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | Im leaving | 07:18 |
| NeoStrider | good night | 07:18 |
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| unique311 | someone with th knowledge on how to add news to the planet at maemo.org. let me know how to do so. | 07:27 |
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| unique311 | k | 08:04 |
| unique311 | i have a new discovery.... | 08:04 |
| unique311 | Freedigits.com | 08:04 |
| unique311 | they provided you with a number...incoming and outgoing phone calls... | 08:05 |
| unique311 | free | 08:05 |
| unique311 | i set it up | 08:05 |
| unique311 | and is working | 08:05 |
| unique311 | instead of Freecalls..use Freedigits... | 08:05 |
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| colinl | hi there | 09:48 |
| _Monkey | que tal, colinl | 09:48 |
| colinl | is there any doc on how to use the n800 LED? | 09:49 |
| sciboy | D= | 09:50 |
| zuh | colinl: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/007770.html and http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009994.html | 09:53 |
| colinl | thanks a bunch, zuh :) | 09:53 |
| colinl | I see that it's not very power-consumption-friendly, though. | 09:55 |
| colinl | I'll play with that, thanks :) | 09:55 |
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| hap | unique311: and they like to fuck too ! | 10:18 |
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| iDS | hi guys | 10:30 |
| iDS | !list | 10:30 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:36 |
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| geaaru | morning, anyone known dbus methods of com.nokia.mediaplayer service? | 10:51 |
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| timelE61i | so, what news sites should a maemo dev read for product feedback? | 11:46 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: itt forums? | 11:54 |
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| skirpee | I'm having trouble with my 770 using DHCP... it's configured to use DHCP, but it thinks it's been assigned a weird IP (169.254.217.203) and has no default route or DNS info | 12:00 |
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| lardman | That address is an auto assigned one when there's no dhcp server | 12:01 |
| skirpee | it's worked with other networks using DHCP, but on my home network (wrt54g) it's acting up | 12:01 |
| * lardman tries to remember the name | 12:01 | |
| skirpee | DHCP definitely works on this network.. I've got 3 other machines connected, including the one I'm using right now | 12:01 |
| lardman | zeroconf | 12:01 |
| lardman | well it sounds as if your 770 isn't picking it up for whatever reason | 12:02 |
| skirpee | hmm... sorry, I'm a rookie... I see that zeroconf is networking software for the 770, but is it installed by default? how will I use it? | 12:03 |
| lardman | (zeroconf or avahi/bonjour/whatever the name's changed to this week) | 12:03 |
| skirpee | I'm googling, but not turning up more than mentions of zeroconf right now | 12:03 |
| lardman | You don;t want to use it, it just assigns one of those addresses | 12:03 |
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| skirpee | ohhh | 12:03 |
| lardman | If dhcp fails, it falls back to zeroconf | 12:04 |
| lardman | fyi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf | 12:04 |
| skirpee | hmm... don't think my router supports it... was just looking at the wikipedia page :) | 12:04 |
| lardman | ah, perhaps it's not part of zeroconf, just part of IPv4. hmm. Anyway, it's the fall back. See why dhcp isn't working | 12:05 |
| skirpee | that's the trouble I'm having... does this thing come with xterm out of the box, or do I need to install it? sorry for the super-rookie quesiton | 12:05 |
| lardman | you need to install it, look in the package manager | 12:06 |
| skirpee | okay, cool, thanks | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | skirpee: on wrt54g sometimes the dhcp daemon dies.. Try rebooting your router.. | 12:06 |
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| skirpee | X-Fade: this machine I'm on now is a laptop which connected via DHCP just a few mins ago... I think it's specific to my 770 | 12:07 |
| lardman | Once it's assigned you an IP address it could then die | 12:07 |
| lardman | without it affecting you (until your lease expires, and even then your laptop might ignore it - I don;t know enough about dhcp) | 12:08 |
| skirpee | possible, but unlikely... I've had this 770 for a couple of days now, and it's had this dhcp problem all along, I just haven't had a chance to start investigating til tonight | 12:08 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 12:08 |
| skirpee | crap, how'm I gonna use the package manager to install bash w/o net access? :) | 12:09 |
| skirpee | er, xterm | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | skirpee: what is your bluetooth hostname set to? Maybe you used chars that the dhcp doesn't like? | 12:10 |
| skirpee | hmm good point, checking | 12:11 |
| skirpee | tried changing it to something all-lowercase w/ no spaces, still won't connect on my local network, nor on my neighbor's open network | 12:14 |
| saiam | o | 12:14 |
| skirpee | on the neighbor's network it seems to get an ip address and default route, but it thinks the router is also the DNS server | 12:15 |
| skirpee | tho doing a host google.com and then hitting that IP w/ the web browser still fails | 12:16 |
| lardman | You could grab the .deb on your laptop and copy it over the usb link | 12:16 |
| skirpee | doing that now | 12:17 |
| skirpee | osso-xterm the way to go? | 12:17 |
| lardman | Do you have a proxy? | 12:17 |
| lardman | yep | 12:17 |
| skirpee | no proxy, nope | 12:17 |
| lardman | ok | 12:18 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:20 |
| skirpee | ok! I have an xterm running | 12:20 |
| skirpee | holy hell, there's a lot involved to get root | 12:21 |
| VladDrac | all I had to do was installing the dropbear ssh server | 12:22 |
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| lardman | skirpee: As you have the usb cable, do the r&d mode thing | 12:22 |
| skirpee | working on it now | 12:23 |
| sp3000 | e.g.: xterm, redpill, openssh, ssh away | 12:23 |
| lardman | VladDrac: he doesn't have a network | 12:23 |
| lardman | tho localhost ought not be affected I suppose | 12:23 |
| lardman | xterm, flasher r&d mode....? | 12:23 |
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| sp3000 | ...would be another option | 12:24 |
| sp3000 | though xterms tend to come from networks | 12:24 |
| skirpee | sp3000: I got xterm installed by copying from my network-connected laptop | 12:26 |
| skirpee | via usb | 12:26 |
| skirpee | ack... lardman, thanks for your help... I've got to get to bed, I have to be up for work tomorrow | 12:26 |
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| sp3000 | sure, not categorically :) | 12:26 |
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| skirpee | I've got some instructions on installing the flasher, and once I'm root I'll start looking at why dhcp isn't working for me | 12:27 |
| skirpee | for now, I am crashing, I'm beat | 12:27 |
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| sp3000 | what's cras... oh, you are | 12:27 |
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| sp3000 | "dhcp fails, user crashes" | 12:27 |
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| blkhawk[work] | lo | 12:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | any idea how to dump the bootloaders to mmc? | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | blkhawk[work]: Why don't you just get them from the FIASCO image? | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | blkhawk[work]: The flasher can extract them for you? | 12:36 |
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| rebroad | hi all. Can I installed Skype on the N800 without upgrading to the latest firmware? | 13:22 |
| gomia1 | rebroad: I don't think so, but I don't really know O:-) | 13:23 |
| rebroad | i think the latest firmware has some problems with battery management. ever since i upgraded the battery doesn't seem to last as long as before | 13:23 |
| rebroad | plus latest firmware breaks lcars theme... | 13:24 |
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| rebroad | hmm. someone needs to write a little utility that lets you upgrade the firmware and easily re-import all your settings and installed apps.. | 13:27 |
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| lardman | battery seems fine to me, what have you installed? | 13:33 |
| lardman | Or have you left the n800 allowed to autoconnect at will? | 13:34 |
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| rebroad | just comparing the N800 with latest firmware compared with the one before latest | 13:34 |
| lardman | vanilla? Oh, mine seems to have better battery life now, just an impression though | 13:35 |
| rebroad | the release notes did mention that battery management was improved, but to me it seems to have reduced the duration | 13:36 |
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| pupnik_ | OWWW I missed a psion netbook pro auction that went for 202 euro on ebay | 13:50 |
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| rebroad | does maemo come with md5sum? | 13:56 |
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| pupnik_ | Nokia-N800-48:~# md5sum | 14:12 |
| pupnik_ | -sh: md5sum: not found | 14:12 |
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| pupnik_ | i wonder if anyone has gotten a bluetooth gamepad controller working | 14:17 |
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| gla55_ | i wondered that the other day too | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | I believe keesj has | 14:21 |
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| pupnik_ | You know all someone would have to do is take-apart a BT gamepad and make a custom case that clamps around a pda (on left and right) | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | So you could affix it to a n770, n800 or whatever | 14:23 |
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| lardman | Anyone know why inline asm labels require a b or f suffix indicating where the label lies? GCC's output doesn't have this, though the labels start with a . could this make a difference? | 16:30 |
| lardman | rtcm: HowTos look ok to me | 16:31 |
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| lardman | as do tutorials | 16:31 |
| lardman | on Firefox 2.0b1 WinXP | 16:32 |
| rtcm | lardman: do they have pictures and are all the command line examples shown? | 16:32 |
| lardman | rtcm: Can you give me an example url? | 16:33 |
| rtcm | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | rtcm: Yeah, the Maemo 2.0 ones were screwed for me the other day. | 16:33 |
| rtcm | besides, they have outdated instructions here and there | 16:33 |
| rtcm | should I file a bug somewhere? | 16:34 |
| lardman | I see pictures | 16:34 |
| lardman | commands look a little bad | 16:34 |
| lardman | e.g. Start Scratchbox with the following command: | 16:34 |
| lardman | ]]> | 16:34 |
| lardman | Not sure that'll work very well ;) | 16:34 |
| rtcm | lardman: right, that's what I mean | 16:35 |
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| lardman | There are other problems with the markup, a bit further down there's a list and items 6 & 7 are all concatenated | 16:35 |
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| lardman | when the commands should be on seperate lines | 16:35 |
| rtcm | yhea, and like linking to a maemo 2.2 minimal rootstrap which doesn't contain the hildon libs etc. | 16:37 |
| rtcm | eventually I figured I needed some other "non-minimal" package | 16:37 |
| rtcm | and found it | 16:37 |
| rtcm | but it's not a smooth experience... | 16:38 |
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| lardman | but yes, it's a bug so you may as well file it, assuming there's not one already | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, if already filed one for that.. | 16:39 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: But we'll have to wait a few weeks as they are all on holiday during July.. | 16:39 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Fair enough, just as long as there's one there so someone notices it | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) | 16:40 |
| lardman | Though it is a wiki, so we could always do it ourselves, or do we not have access? | 16:40 |
| lardman | The UK is closed due to heavy rain and floods, nice summer | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | No, that documentation is managed by the Nokia documentation team.. | 16:40 |
| rtcm | X-Fade: care to point me to a bug# ? | 16:42 |
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| alterego | lardman, hahah | 16:54 |
| alterego | lardman, It's pissing it down! ^_^ | 16:55 |
| lardman | it's stopped here, for 5 minutes at least | 16:55 |
| alterego | Heh, lucky. | 16:56 |
| alterego | It has mellowed to a dizzle at the moment. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Heh, dizzle .. drizzle! | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | rtcm: 1518, 1665,1666 | 16:58 |
| timelE61i | sp3000 got a url for flushing document.write w/o finishing script execution? | 16:59 |
| pupnik | http://www.digittrade.de/ebay/gamepad/gamepad-1.jpg something like this, hacked to fit a 770/800 | 17:00 |
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| sp3000 | timelE61i: not offhand | 17:01 |
| lardman|afk | it'll start again here as I'm about to go outside ;) | 17:01 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2666&highlight=gamepad | 17:04 |
| pupnik | aha Bluetooth gamepad plus nokia - hacked with kbdd profile | 17:04 |
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| gla55_ | seems nice | 17:10 |
| pupnik | "The Chainpus BGP-100 runs on a single AAA battery and can last around 3 hours of continuous use." | 17:12 |
| pupnik | I'd definitely drop in an AA or two rechargeables instead | 17:12 |
| __Nikos__ | i ping the n800 device on a local wireless network and i get times around 100ms...The ping on a laptop gives me times<1ms. Is it normal? | 17:13 |
| pupnik | i get 2-9ms | 17:13 |
| pupnik | nokia 770 | 17:13 |
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| __Nikos__ | pupnik: I try to delivel udp packets and i experience a hell of a drop packages...is there a way to boost the speed on the device? | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | __Nikos__: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.149: icmp_seq=51 ttl=64 time=2.77 ms | 17:16 |
| zyxulnag1 | __Nikos__: I noticed the same too there is a lot of udp packet loss with the n800 you need to try and reduce the noise in your signal as much as you can | 17:17 |
| zyxulnag1 | the wireless card on the device is very bad | 17:17 |
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| __Nikos__ | zyxulnag1: can you have a wired connection with n800? | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | If I do a 'ping -i 0.01 -c 1000 192.168.1.149' I get: | 17:19 |
| zyxulnaga | don't think so | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | 1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 8996ms | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.387/3.165/57.901/2.809 ms, pipe 5 | 17:19 |
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| zyxulnaga | as far as I know there is no way to go wired on the n800 | 17:19 |
| zyxulnaga | you could with the n770 | 17:19 |
| __Nikos__ | I am wondering how can the skype work so well | 17:22 |
| zyxulnaga | they have some pretty cool algorithms that wrap over udp in skype | 17:23 |
| zyxulnaga | so you don't feel the packet loss | 17:23 |
| zyxulnaga | and I think skype also uses tcp in some cases but I am not sure | 17:23 |
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| __Nikos__ | when i run my app with ssh i have very low packet loss...when i run it on the device a experience a great loss??? | 17:34 |
| zyxulnaga | that's impossible | 17:35 |
| zyxulnaga | ssh uses tcp | 17:35 |
| __Nikos__ | am i missing something? | 17:35 |
| alterego | skype uses UDP mostly. It uses UDP to get around routers and firewalls. | 17:36 |
| trevarthan | Does anyone know if gstreamer for maemo seek accurately within vbr mp3 files? | 17:36 |
| pupnik | maybe there's a hardware problem __Nikos__ | 17:36 |
| alterego | Or at least that's what I thought. I might be wrong. I'm not sure if you could do the trickery with TCP/IP. | 17:36 |
| __Nikos__ | pupnik: what is the difference between running with ssh or on the device? | 17:37 |
| pupnik | i don't have an n800. it just works for me. very slow scp transfers though | 17:37 |
| pupnik | slower than a floppy drive :/ | 17:38 |
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| __Nikos__ | pupnik: Either you launch an application through ssh or local xterm the app will run on the device | 17:39 |
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| blkhawk | lo | 17:41 |
| pupnik | i run a lot of stuff through ssh | 17:41 |
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| disq | i should find a way to earn a living off opensource. | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | what's http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ogg for? | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | I installed it, but the media player still doesn't recognize oggs | 17:47 |
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| inz | disq, 1. open source, 2. ???, 3. profit! | 17:49 |
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| jpt9 | hey | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, do I bother replying to maemo-users to explain why Ted Tso's almost always right? ;-) | 17:50 |
| disq | inz: very userfriendly.org of you | 17:50 |
| jpt9 | not sure if this would be horribly annoying, and everyone will probably tell me to do it myself... | 17:50 |
| jpt9 | but can someone compile frotz for IT2007HE? | 17:51 |
| jpt9 | (the commandline version) | 17:51 |
| jpt9 | yes, I know, there's GFrotz. I don't like it. | 17:51 |
| * jpt9 likes Bluetooth keyboards :-) | 17:51 | |
| * jpt9 is using one right now with XChat on an n770 :-D | 17:51 | |
| pupnik | which xchat runs on it2007he? | 17:52 |
| pupnik | it should be in the repos darnit | 17:52 |
| jpt9 | dunno... | 17:52 |
| jpt9 | it's either on maemo.org, linked to from maemo.org, or in the repos.... | 17:52 |
| jpt9 | (or in one of the repos I've added from installing some other program. not sure) | 17:52 |
| jpt9 | why? | 17:52 |
| pupnik | i don't think we have a command to search which repo supplies which package do we? | 17:53 |
| jpt9 | there isn't... | 17:53 |
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| pupnik | apt-cache show or policy doesn't, iirc | 17:53 |
| jpt9 | there is a site, however... | 17:53 |
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| jpt9 | www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en | 17:53 |
| jpt9 | it' | 17:53 |
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| jpt9 | it's quite nice. | 17:53 |
| pupnik | wow, thanks! | 17:54 |
| jpt9 | you're welcome, | 17:54 |
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| jpt9 | my brother told me about it, though; you'd probably want to thank him :-) | 17:54 |
| jpt9 | anyway, can anyone compile frotz? | 17:55 |
| pupnik | lemme check | 17:55 |
| jpt9 | thanks. | 17:55 |
| pupnik | i only have an it2006 environment, so you'll have to force the install | 17:56 |
| jpt9 | oh. | 17:56 |
| jpt9 | will it still run? | 17:56 |
| pupnik | yeah | 17:56 |
| jpt9 | also, you can just send me a binary. | 17:56 |
| jpt9 | (unless there's more to it...) | 17:56 |
| jpt9 | (man this BT keyboard's awesome!) | 17:56 |
| jpt9 | it actually makes IRC on an n770 practical. | 17:57 |
| pupnik | yes | 17:57 |
| * jpt9 wants an n785 or something.... the case and design of the n770 with the improved specs of the n800 :-) | 17:57 | |
| jpt9 | yes re: there's more or yes re: just the binary? | 17:57 |
| pupnik | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tapwrite/gfrotz_2.43.3_armel.deb?download | 17:57 |
| pupnik | try | 17:57 |
| jpt9 | whoa. | 17:57 |
| jpt9 | fast. | 17:57 |
| jpt9 | opening in the browser now... | 17:58 |
| pupnik | wget works too | 17:59 |
| jpt9 | except that's gfrotz... | 17:59 |
| jpt9 | (at least according to the app manager) | 17:59 |
| jpt9 | hasn't finished installing yet... | 17:59 |
| pupnik | nice - you can pick the menu | 17:59 |
| jpt9 | yeah... that's gfrotz. i wanted frotz (the plain command-line version). | 18:00 |
| pupnik | ever play A Mind Forever Voyaging? | 18:00 |
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| jpt9 | a bit. | 18:00 |
| jpt9 | quite fun. | 18:00 |
| pupnik | my favorite ever | 18:00 |
| jpt9 | that's the kind of text adventure I like -- lots of exploring. | 18:01 |
| pupnik | yeah - it was really a novel | 18:01 |
| jpt9 | anyway, is there any chance you could build the CLI version of frotz? | 18:01 |
| pupnik | ok | 18:01 |
| jpt9 | thanks. | 18:01 |
| jpt9 | you're awesome. | 18:01 |
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| pupnik | oops, can't run scratchbox on this kernel - vdso bug | 18:04 |
| pupnik | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled oh that was easy | 18:05 |
| jpt9 | ever noticed that if the brightness is set to minimum on an n770, the light flickers as the wi-fi is used? | 18:06 |
| pupnik | yeah sometimes | 18:06 |
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| pupnik | jpt9, http://pupnik.de/frotz_2.43-1_armel.deb | 18:09 |
| NeoStrider | hello | 18:10 |
| _Monkey | hi, NeoStrider | 18:10 |
| NeoStrider | anyone uses the garage here? | 18:10 |
| NeoStrider | hey pupnik | 18:10 |
| pupnik | hi NeoStrider | 18:10 |
| jpt9 | thanks. opening now... | 18:10 |
| NeoStrider | you tried maemowizard some time ago, right? (my memory is very weak) | 18:10 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:10 |
| NeoStrider | and it didnt worked with gregalle SDK | 18:11 |
| NeoStrider | but I tried here and it worked flawlessly | 18:11 |
| NeoStrider | with Gregalle SDK | 18:11 |
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| pupnik | I can't remember what went wrong | 18:11 |
| NeoStrider | neither do I | 18:12 |
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| NeoStrider | I guess there was some missing files | 18:12 |
| NeoStrider | now I want to install the mono devkit =-) | 18:12 |
| NeoStrider | anyone knows how to configure the garage | 18:13 |
| NeoStrider | ? | 18:13 |
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| pupnik | jpt9: heh, where did it install the frotz binary i wonder | 18:15 |
| jpt9 | dunno. | 18:15 |
| jpt9 | not in the path, I can tell you that :-) | 18:15 |
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| jpt9 | /usr/games | 18:16 |
| jpt9 | i have a ~/bin directory. i'll just stick it there. | 18:16 |
| pupnik | ok that command is in the postinst under /debian | 18:17 |
| jpt9 | ??? | 18:18 |
| pupnik | just gonna change the package to install to /usr/bin | 18:18 |
| jpt9 | okay | 18:18 |
| jpt9 | thanks. | 18:18 |
| jpt9 | also.... | 18:18 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it also is there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800 | 18:18 |
| jpt9 | <insert opening to zork1 displayed in an xterm on an n770> :-) | 18:18 |
| jpt9 | it works. | 18:18 |
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| pupnik | on the device i also did: mv /usr/games/* /usr/bin && rmdir /usr/games && ln -s /usr/bin /usr/games | 18:20 |
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| jpt9 | what will that do, exactly? | 18:20 |
| pupnik | puts all the /usr/games stuff into /usr/bin and makes a symbolic link from /usr/games to /usr/bin | 18:21 |
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| pupnik | just to avoid this in future | 18:21 |
| jpt9 | should i run that? | 18:21 |
| pupnik | no need | 18:22 |
| pupnik | this is great. i don't have time for infocom games but it's wonderful to have on the tablet | 18:22 |
| jpt9 | did you update the package or something? | 18:22 |
| pupnik | yes, but the only change is moving it from /usr/games to /usr/bin | 18:24 |
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| jpt9 | yay. it works now. you should post that on maemo. | 18:27 |
| jpt9 | that'd be cool. | 18:27 |
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| jpt9 | thanks for the build, pupnik. | 18:30 |
| NeoStrider | well...im going to work | 18:31 |
| NeoStrider | see you later, guys! | 18:31 |
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| jpt9 | huh... | 18:33 |
| jpt9 | the n770 doesn't seem to know the layout of an apple bluetooth keyboard particularly well. | 18:34 |
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| pupnik | gah gfrotz is smaller than my frotz package | 18:41 |
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| jpt9 | who cares. frotz has more features. | 18:43 |
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| trevarthan | Does anyone know of an audio player for linux that supports bookmarks? i.e. saving your position in an audio book, then coming back to it later? I'm looking for something to port... | 18:45 |
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| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=61650#post61650 | 18:46 |
| unique311 | CHECK that out.. | 18:46 |
| unique311 | posted it around midnight... | 18:46 |
| unique311 | free phone calls on the N800.... | 18:46 |
| unique311 | possibly with gizmo for 770 users... | 18:47 |
| Tu13es_ | eh, too much work | 18:47 |
| Tu13es_ | I ended up just buying a year of skype | 18:47 |
| unique311 | too much work. | 18:47 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:47 |
| unique311 | install the new sip client... | 18:47 |
| Tu13es_ | it's a pain to have different services for incoming and outgoing | 18:47 |
| unique311 | and get a FreeDigits account.... | 18:47 |
| Tu13es_ | and to be limited by the number of minutes you have etc | 18:48 |
| Tu13es_ | plus who knows how long these free places will be open for | 18:48 |
| Tu13es_ | just look at sunrocket | 18:48 |
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| Tu13es | I'm not saying it's not for anyone, just not for me | 18:48 |
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| unique311 | it wasn't too much work for me...took maybe 10 minutes at most to set up everything. installing the sip client, getting an account from freedigits and setting it up. | 18:50 |
| unique311 | FreeCalls only offer free outbound. | 18:50 |
| unique311 | freedigits offer a free number that allows you to recieve inbound calls..and allows you to make outbound calls free.. | 18:51 |
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| Tu13es | freedigits says " Outgoing Minutes No* *Outbound calling rates apply." | 18:52 |
| blkhawk | any hints on what is needed to compile a kernel for 770? | 18:52 |
| blkhawk | I mean what patches to i need to get besides the vanilla sources | 18:53 |
| blkhawk | and where can i get the default .config | 18:53 |
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| pupnik | ty unique311 i'll look at that | 19:06 |
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| unique311 | np | 19:06 |
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| pupnik | "When ARM announced Neon in October of 2004, it said chips supporting Neon instructions could decode an MP3 stream in 8-10MHz" | 19:13 |
| pupnik | more A8 Cortex porn... | 19:13 |
| blkhawk | is there a overwiew of where allthe stuff is in flash? I need to dump the bootloaders of my n770 | 19:13 |
| blkhawk | ? | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | don't know blkhawk | 19:19 |
| pupnik | "The Cortex-A8 achieves a BDTIsimMark2000/MHz score of 7.6. The ARM1176 achieves a BDTIsimMark2000? score of 1200 at 335 MHz, or 3.6 BDTIsimMark2000/MHz." | 19:20 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: thanks anyway | 19:22 |
| blkhawk | my problem is that if i screw this up then it will be bricked | 19:22 |
| blkhawk | needing a reflash | 19:22 |
| blkhawk | via the jtag probably | 19:23 |
| blkhawk | and thats tools i do not have | 19:23 |
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| pupnik | Wow the OMAP3430 was shipping a year ago. | 19:25 |
| zuh | blkhawk: Why do you need that? | 19:25 |
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| blkhawk | zuh: my N770 is a prototype | 19:28 |
| blkhawk | the board is different | 19:28 |
| blkhawk | might have different flash addresses | 19:28 |
| blkhawk | I have been warned | 19:28 |
| blkhawk | that it "might" be different | 19:28 |
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| pupnik | blkhawk: it still has IT2005 on it? | 19:28 |
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| blkhawk | pupnik: it has it2005SE on it now | 19:29 |
| pupnik | blah | 19:29 |
| blkhawk | I upgraded it from the debug code that was on it | 19:29 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: exactly | 19:29 |
| blkhawk | If i can dump the xloader and the NOLO then i can do a binaery compare | 19:30 |
| pupnik | Motorola 7450 (Powermac G4): 1324 Dhrystone 2.1 MIPS @ 733 mhz | 19:30 |
| blkhawk | since they stay the same for os2005 | 19:30 |
| pupnik | If you're working for a company, i'd think the time you are spending on this is worth more than the cost of a new or used nokia 770 | 19:31 |
| blkhawk | but since arm to armel is switched in the loader (wither the x-loader or the NOLO) i need to reflash those too going to os 2006 | 19:31 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: its all very unofficially - and i will probably be getting a n800 | 19:31 |
| blkhawk | somewhen at the end of august | 19:32 |
| blkhawk | but i want to start the project now | 19:32 |
| blkhawk | :) | 19:33 |
| pupnik | "The worst example of synthetic benchmark abuse is Dhrystone MIPS. Silicon and compiler optimizations of Dhyrstone MIPS have rendered it virtually useless, and no one has made the effort to update it. In addition, Dhrystone was written in the days before on-die caches, so its small size makes it an incredibly poor measure of system performance." | 19:33 |
| blkhawk | so any thought s on where in flash the loader is probably and how to get it? I have some ideas but anything might be helpful | 19:34 |
| blkhawk | my next step is setting up a toolchain and installing the newest linux kernel | 19:34 |
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| pupnik | I think that stuff is closed source | 19:35 |
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| blkhawk | pupnik: i just need the binary | 19:35 |
| blkhawk | I will do a compare | 19:35 |
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| blkhawk | if its different from all the other it2005 loarders i know i am sol | 19:35 |
| blkhawk | if they are the same then i can flash away | 19:36 |
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| blkhawk | franky i do not seewhy a prototype would use different flas addresses to boot | 19:36 |
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| blkhawk | frankly | 19:36 |
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| blkhawk | but without any way of flashing it cold I do not want to risk breaking it | 19:37 |
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| blkhawk | is anything speaking against just using the newest linux kernel? | 19:44 |
| pupnik | yeah that might be a good idea | 19:46 |
| pupnik | if you can drop a new kernel on it, then upgrade the os | 19:46 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: the problem is the binaery format | 19:46 |
| blkhawk | I can upgrade the os but it would mean building it from scratch | 19:47 |
| blkhawk | its like this x-loader->NOLO->Kernel->initfs | 19:47 |
| blkhawk | xloader supports serial flashing | 19:47 |
| blkhawk | and NOLO supports usb | 19:48 |
| blkhawk | the bineaery format gets switched in xloader or NOLO | 19:48 |
| blkhawk | Probably x-loader tho | 19:48 |
| blkhawk | means if it does not work i have no way of getting the old boot loader back on it | 19:49 |
| pupnik | hmm ... | 19:49 |
| blkhawk | the idea is - I dump xloader and NOLO from my curent setup | 19:49 |
| X-Fade | blkhawk: So that means that your best bet is to begin with NOLO ;) | 19:49 |
| blkhawk | compare them to the vanilla loaders | 19:50 |
| blkhawk | X-Fade: well it would ifi knew how to do a serial flash :P | 19:50 |
| blkhawk | It is remotely possible that i figure that out | 19:50 |
| blkhawk | i know one thing tho: all the boot loaders are different in it2006 | 19:51 |
| blkhawk | so its a save bet that the binaery format gets switched in x-loader | 19:51 |
| X-Fade | Do you think the bootloader part in the image isn't the same as flashed in your device? | 19:52 |
| blkhawk | that leaves me no way to test it | 19:52 |
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| blkhawk | yes | 19:52 |
| blkhawk | its a possibility | 19:52 |
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| blkhawk | since i have been warned that this might be thecase | 19:52 |
| pupnik | Hah. "Intel's initial "Tolapai" SoC design is based on a Pentium M core clocked at 600MHz to 1.2GHz, with integrated external memory controller and I/O peripheral interfaces. Its power envelope would range between 13 and 25 Watts". Phlblblblt. Intel sucks. x86 sucks. | 19:52 |
| blkhawk | so if i can dumpthem and compare them to the ones i have from the vanilaa releases then i can make sure | 19:52 |
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| X-Fade | blkhawk: No way to just dd from the device? | 19:53 |
| blkhawk | X-Fade: sure | 19:53 |
| blkhawk | but from Where | 19:53 |
| blkhawk | hmmmm | 19:53 |
| blkhawk | i could probably dd the whole flash | 19:53 |
| X-Fade | /dev/mtd0 perhaps? | 19:54 |
| blkhawk | maybe | 19:54 |
| X-Fade | or /dev/mtdblock0 | 19:54 |
| blkhawk | i am not sure where the loaders live | 19:55 |
| X-Fade | You should even be able to use mtd tools to flash it from the device:) | 19:55 |
| X-Fade | well the filesystem is mtdblock4 | 19:55 |
| X-Fade | the kernel is 3.. | 19:55 |
| X-Fade | So what are the other? | 19:55 |
| blkhawk | uhm | 19:55 |
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| blkhawk | you sure | 19:55 |
| blkhawk | 3 is initfs i think | 19:56 |
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| X-Fade | ehm yes.. | 19:56 |
| blkhawk | it sure adds up | 19:56 |
| blkhawk | 2 is kernel | 19:56 |
| blkhawk | and 1 and 0 are the bootloaders | 19:56 |
| X-Fade | So 0 and 1 are xloader and NOLO | 19:57 |
| blkhawk | i am unsure however if they are really behind them | 19:57 |
| blkhawk | 0 might be the whole flash | 19:57 |
| X-Fade | Well, just dump it and check its size? | 19:57 |
| X-Fade | Nokia-N800-26:~# dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=test | 19:58 |
| X-Fade | 256+0 records in | 19:58 |
| X-Fade | 256+0 records out | 19:58 |
| X-Fade | Hmm got to go.. Talk to you later.. | 19:58 |
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| alterego | Urgh .. ruby osso is being a b*tch :( | 20:03 |
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| * alterego gives up | 20:10 | |
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| procto | how do I make the virtual keyboard stop showing up when I press Enter on my BT keyboard? | 20:24 |
| procto | It worked fine before | 20:25 |
| procto | i.e. two days ago | 20:25 |
| procto | there's no option to turn off virtual kb from showing up in any settings I've found | 20:25 |
| blkhawk | mtdblock 0 contains the loaders | 20:25 |
| procto | I've tried all 3 of the hardware keyboard layout | 20:25 |
| procto | setting bluetooth on and off did nothing either | 20:26 |
| procto | it wouldn't pop up the virtual keyboard at all, when the bt kb was connected | 20:26 |
| pupnik | procto: maybe you can use maemo-gtk-im-switch xim | 20:27 |
| procto | I'll try | 20:29 |
| procto | that didn't do it | 20:30 |
| pupnik | i've had occasional thumbboard popup issues when using bt | 20:30 |
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| guardian | hi | 20:34 |
| procto | pupnik: looks like it magically fixed itself... | 20:36 |
| procto | oh well! | 20:36 |
| pupnik | fanoush says that an xbox controller could be hooked up to 770 via usb | 20:36 |
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| guardian | anyone ever tried rendering antialiased lines on the n800 ? | 20:37 |
| guardian | don't know where to start | 20:37 |
| pupnik | do you want an AA line algorithm? | 20:38 |
| guardian | i would like to render antialiased catmull rom splines | 20:39 |
| pupnik | neat - what for? vector art? | 20:39 |
| blkhawk | drat | 20:40 |
| blkhawk | x-loader is clearly different | 20:40 |
| guardian | scribbling | 20:40 |
| blkhawk | only a few bytes | 20:40 |
| blkhawk | but i gues thats all it would take | 20:40 |
| blkhawk | might just be config options tho | 20:41 |
| pupnik | guardian, your algo will have a true line position for each step, adjacent pixels then are shaded depending on distance from the true x,y of the line at that point. Wu's algorithm is a simple way to do that, your renderer has two cases "mostly vertical" and "mostly horizontal" and then weights pixel-pairs | 20:45 |
| pupnik | http://freespace.virgin.net/hugo.elias/graphics/x_wuline.htm | 20:46 |
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| guardian | ah i should have thought of this site :) | 20:46 |
| colinl | what can cause the appearance of a stupid "top_application" HildonBanner at the startup of an app? | 20:53 |
| procto | pupnik: would maemo-gtk-im-switch xim cause my power button to stop working? | 20:53 |
| pupnik | never did for me | 20:54 |
| procto | hm | 20:54 |
| procto | I modified mce.ini | 20:54 |
| procto | and systemui.xml | 20:54 |
| procto | but I've since reverted chances on mce.ini | 20:54 |
| procto | and it completely does nothing | 20:54 |
| pupnik | i never changed those | 20:55 |
| pupnik | what for? | 20:55 |
| procto | I wanted to enable soft shutdown | 20:55 |
| procto | on the long press | 20:55 |
| procto | then I decided it would be fine to just add soft shutdown to the menu | 20:55 |
| procto | which is easy, since that item is only commented out | 20:55 |
| procto | I thought it might be premissions | 20:56 |
| procto | and set mce.ini to be all readable | 20:56 |
| procto | (I edited as root) | 20:56 |
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| rittyan1 | hm I wonder if it's possible to use cyrillic kb layout with scim + compose key for X :| | 20:58 |
| procto | ok, I just used the poweroff command | 20:59 |
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| procto | pupnik: after powering off manually, the button now seems to work | 21:00 |
| procto | at least for long press | 21:00 |
| procto | this stuff's mysterious! | 21:00 |
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| pau_gm | hi all | 21:01 |
| procto | aloha | 21:01 |
| blkhawk | whx is there no arch/arm/configs/n770_defconfig file in the current kerneel sources? | 21:01 |
| pau_gm | i just feel stupid asking this, but, there is some wiki space or page collecting themes for maemo? just found http://maemo.org/community/wiki/themesfr/ but nothing in Enlgish | 21:01 |
| blkhawk | like it says in the wiki | 21:02 |
| procto | pupnik: ok, everything fixed | 21:04 |
| procto | pupnik: what soft poweroff does is it does roughly what closing the 770 cse does | 21:04 |
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| procto | pupnik: since there is no direct equivalent | 21:04 |
| procto | pupnik: basically shuts everything down except wifi, and has fast powerup | 21:04 |
| pupnik | hmm | 21:07 |
| pupnik | nice | 21:07 |
| blkhawk | is there a place to get the sources of the kernels? | 21:08 |
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| sp3000 | apt-get source rx-34-kernel | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | er, kernel-source-rx-34 | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | something | 21:12 |
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| keesj | pau_gm: I am not aware of such page in enligh, | 21:16 |
| blkhawk | sp3000: from normal debian? | 21:16 |
| sp3000 | unlikely | 21:17 |
| keesj | blkhawk: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html | 21:19 |
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| blkhawk | keesj: does that work for 1.1 too? | 21:20 |
| keesj | 1.1? | 21:20 |
| blkhawk | er it 2005 | 21:21 |
| blkhawk | 1.0 | 21:21 |
| keesj | you can try to find the sources using apt-cache search kernel | grep source | 21:21 |
| blkhawk | okay | 21:21 |
| keesj | there are also good wiki pages , specialy for older relases :p | 21:22 |
| keesj | this is a nice starting point http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto/ (also contains a kernel compile howto) | 21:22 |
| blkhawk | keesj: ya i need to sort it all out | 21:23 |
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| blkhawk | My problems are a bit "special" | 21:23 |
| sp3000 | huh | 21:23 |
| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/ | 21:23 |
| sp3000 | why does that hide the relevant content by defaul? | 21:23 |
| sp3000 | the relevant content being the links to the tutorials | 21:23 |
| * sp3000 sighs | 21:23 | |
| blkhawk | really just need a crosscompiler and the right sources ;) | 21:24 |
| trevarthan | wow. python's divmod() is pretty slow on my n800..... | 21:24 |
| * blkhawk reads | 21:24 | |
| blkhawk | sigh - this is about 20 pages og hideon stuff i do not need - and a lot of bora stuff which i assume is 3.0 | 21:25 |
| keesj | blkhawk: depending on your sbox install you might want to read the 3.0 kernel howto and adapt that to the older kernel | 21:25 |
| blkhawk | I haven't setup anything yet | 21:26 |
| keesj | trevarthan: isn't it just mod that is slow on arm? | 21:26 |
| trevarthan | is it? I didn't know that. | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | math is hard | 21:26 |
| blkhawk | I assume doing sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL with SDK_ARM will get me rthe right toolchain | 21:26 |
| * sp3000 wonders why the front page links to bothe tutorials and documentation, when documentation has tutorials right behind it | 21:27 | |
| keesj | blkhawk: it depends what version of the sdk you install | 21:28 |
| trevarthan | Is there a better way to convert seconds into minutes:seconds than this then? current_time = "%2d:%02d" % divmod(int(manager.mplayer.seconds),60) | 21:28 |
| blkhawk | keesj: sigh | 21:29 |
| keesj | this was the answer I got when asking the same kind of question http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html | 21:29 |
| blkhawk | keesj: i am happy with the newest version as long as it can compile to ARM | 21:30 |
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| * sp3000 wonders why the documentation font size is huge | 21:30 | |
| * sp3000 gives up on wondering | 21:30 | |
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| trevarthan | keesj: and why isn't that done for you in the compiler? :) | 21:30 |
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| keesj | http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#ModulusDivisionEasy | 21:31 |
| * sp3000 reneges | 21:31 | |
| * sp3000 wonders which one of the two lists, the one in navigation or the one in content, is supposed to be the actual link list on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/ | 21:32 | |
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| trevarthan | ow. my head hurts now.... | 21:34 |
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| * keesj realy still wonders why debian is considered a boot | 21:35 | |
| keesj | I need to start understanding that pretty soom , or I must give up | 21:35 |
| keesj | pizza! | 21:36 |
| ||cw | a boot? | 21:36 |
| `0660 | a boat? :) | 21:37 |
| ||cw | debian is footwear? | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | keesj: I must be doing something wrong. When I try that I get plug in n=200 and s=60. I'm expecting m=20, but I get m=200... | 21:41 |
| blkhawk | anyihing speaking against using the newest compiler? | 21:45 |
| trevarthan | it's python. no control over that. | 21:46 |
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| blkhawk | for scratchbox i mean ;) | 21:47 |
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| trevarthan | nm, I screwed up the numbers... | 21:50 |
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| rittyan1 | is there a way to have some kind of a ... xorg.conf maybe? I want to setup en/ru kb settings, and switch them with alt+shift | 21:57 |
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| pupnik | not through xorg.conf. maybe search with keyword "locales" rittyan1 | 22:04 |
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| trevarthan | :) I thought the divmod call was slowing it down, but then I ran cProfiler and it turns out that it's something else. divmod is fast enough. man... what would I do without cProfiler? | 22:11 |
| blkhawk | is there ANY reason why the rootstraps for 1.1 and 1.0 cannot be downloaded from the repository? | 22:12 |
| keesj | trevarthan: good news. cProfiler is a Phython profiler? | 22:12 |
| rittyan1 | pupnik, locales are about dates etc + default encoding. how it is related to keyboard input? :| | 22:13 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I've been using it religiously ever since I started developing Kagu. It's really handy. | 22:14 |
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| blkhawk | who manages the maemo repository? | 22:22 |
| alterego | Anyone know a few common reasons why a call to osso_initialize will segfault? | 22:22 |
| keesj | blkhawk: did you try http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 22:22 |
| blkhawk | I need the 1.1 rootstrap and the damn webserver is misconfigured | 22:22 |
| keesj | I followed the Maemo dev root filesystems link and it works | 22:23 |
| blkhawk | yes - guess what - my MAC addy isn't valid | 22:23 |
| keesj | you dont' need a mac foor developers root fs | 22:24 |
| blkhawk | i need the rootstrap | 22:24 |
| blkhawk | not rootfs | 22:24 |
| blkhawk | or is that the same? | 22:25 |
| * blkhawk is confused ;) | 22:25 | |
| blkhawk | so who do i poke about this | 22:28 |
| blkhawk | ah shucks maybe it will work without it | 22:30 |
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| rittyan1 | is here anyone involved into maemocjk? | 23:10 |
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| derf | Yes. | 23:12 |
| blkhawk | gah! this scarchbox thing drives me bonkers | 23:12 |
| blkhawk | why cant i just compile the kernelsource for arm and i am done | 23:12 |
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| pupnik | well bootloaders usually need to be modified/configured to point to newly installed kernels, right? | 23:21 |
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| blkhawk | pupnik: wellyes | 23:26 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: however i did not replace them when upgrading to 1.1 | 23:26 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: did I mention the scratchbox setup is driving me bonkers? | 23:27 |
| pupnik | not the setup | 23:27 |
| blkhawk | pupnik: yes the setup - since i need a fairly old setup its all very very hard to get the right parts | 23:28 |
| pupnik | oh right | 23:28 |
| * blkhawk is downgrading to scratchbox 0.9.8 | 23:28 | |
| pupnik | i deleted my os2005 stuf | 23:28 |
| blkhawk | ya everybody did :( | 23:28 |
| blkhawk | i wish i could relyably test if i can flash the bootloaders | 23:29 |
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| keesj | blkhawk: If you think it's your lucky day you might want to try my "installer" for 2.2 and 3.1 | 23:42 |
| keesj | http://paste-it.net/2930/raw/ | 23:42 |
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| blkhawk | keesj: well but don't i need 1.1? | 23:45 |
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