IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-07-19

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phyberhi.  is there a working repository for the osso-xterm?00:07
phyberthe stuff under is slightly broken, it seems.00:07
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AD-N770maemo hackers00:09
phybermaemo hackers is broken as well, it seems.  their trac is trashed :)00:09
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alteregoUrgh ..00:11
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alteregoHow to write API docs.00:12
alteregoAm I right in thinking there's a tool to take snapshots of the desktop in the Maemo SDK?00:15
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alteregoSneak peek of Ruby-Maemo
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milhousetimeless: any idea if tabs will be supported by Maemo Mozilla in future? Or is this an issue with the Browser UI/EAL thang?00:47
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Jaffamilhouse: I imagine it's Browser UI00:50
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blkhawkhowdoes oneedit the menu?00:50
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Jaffablkhawk: Which menu?00:51
blkhawkthe app menu00:51
milhouseJaffa: thought it might be... tabs would be good, might even work with Opera too00:51
Jaffablkhawk: In Control Panel somewhere00:52
JaffaHmm, my N800 was on 3 bars 2 hours ago, now the battery's flat.00:52
||cw3 bars of 4?  that's about right00:52
milhousewhat has it been doing for the last 2 hours?00:52
Jaffamilhouse: nothing - less than it's been doing all day. No software running, just sat in soft-power off like most of the day (and yesterday).00:53
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_Monkeytop is probably the Status Bar00:53
milhouseforget top00:53
_Monkeymilhouse: I forgot top00:53
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phyberanyone have a working repo with the e2fsprogs, etc?00:56
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phyberlike, a working repo. :/00:56
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milhouse bora free ?00:57
phyberI'm using mistral for my 770.  it's bora just more recent stuff, or is it for the 800?00:58
milhousebora is OS 200700:58
phyberah, ok.  I'm only OS2006.00:58
milhousenot sure about OS 2006... some of the repositories seem to have gone tits up00:58
phyberyeah, the stuff is listed but trying to download it results in 404.00:58
milhousehave you tried gregale?00:58
phybertrying to do the stuff to boot from MMC :)00:58
milhouseseems to be a caching issue of some sort (wonders what mods are in the nokia apache)00:59
* thoughtfix hates his job00:59
thoughtfixanyone looking for a ... um ... a thoughtfix?00:59
timtimredwill there be more official 2006 updates? or do nokia not love 2006 anymore :)00:59
milhousetuntimred: no more OS 2006 updates01:00
milhousetimtimred: OS 2007HE is your best bet from now on01:00
timtimredhmm, will the navcore stuff work with the 2007HE ?01:00
milhousemaybe, nobody will know for sure until more work is done on it. good chance it will01:00
milhouseshould be another release in a few weeks01:01
phyberI haven't.minope, I've not tried gregale.  what's the difference between that and mistrel?01:01
timtimredif it does i'd install it for sure01:01
phybers/garbage/fixed beginning of sentance/01:01
killfillhey.. anyone has a bt headset?..01:02
thoughtfixI have several01:02
Cegfrom the os 2007he work fine on the 770 ?01:03
thoughtfixBut bluetooth audio isn't included ...01:03
milhouseOS 2006... Mistral (Maemo 2.0), Scirocco (Maemo 2.1), Gregale (Maemo 2.2)01:03
killfillthoughtfix oh.. :( werent there a bounty for it?01:03
Cegmilhouse how would u find out which 1 of them u have ?01:03
blkhawkis there a repository for the kernel sources plus patches?01:03
milhouseCeg: Yes, works pretty good01:03
killfillnow the we have sip.. earphones are more necesary.. :P01:03
milhouseCeg: Go to Control Panel -> About Product and look at Version01:04
thoughtfixSome people hacked bluetooth audio to work01:04
thoughtfixbut it's not installable yet01:04
phybermilhouse: thanks, gregale seems to be working :)01:05
milhousecool :)01:05
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Cegi've got the os 2006 3.2006.49-2 watever that means01:06
maddlerdamn... I can't recall where my N800 is!01:06
milhousethat's the latest available OS 2006 firmware01:06
Cegoh thats good then01:08
Cegso if i wanna update to os 2007 is it safe ?01:08
Cegand if i don't like it for watever reason can i reflash back to 2006 ?01:09
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milhouseCeg: Yes and yes01:11
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milhousetotally safe, just reflash back to OS 2006 using the flasher or Windows Software Updater (tell it where to find the image on your PC)01:12
_Monkeysomebody said firmware was available from
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killfillthoughtfix, you happend to remember any url about that hacket bt audio support?... osund interesting..01:13
Jaffakillfill: google "kagu maemo"01:13
Jaffa_Monkey: kagu?01:14
_Monkeywell, kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here:
Jaffathere you go :)01:14
thoughtfixI only heard about it in here, killfill01:14
* Jaffa beds01:15
killfillA2DP <-- that how its tecnically named?01:15
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killfill(bt audio/mic i mean)01:15
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milhousenot sure about mic - but deffo stereo audio01:15
* Jaffa is seriously tempted by some BT headphones now, albeit they're probably really expensive.01:16
killfillall righy01:16
Ceghow can i install flashplayer 7 on the 770?01:20
milhouseit comes as standard01:20
milhousenothing to install01:20
Cegwell i can get the TVersity to work its asking me to install it thats y i asked01:20
milhouse2 options: bad flash detection, or it needs flash 8 or flash 901:21
milhousewhat url?01:21
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Cegmt internal ip01:22
Cegdoesn't matter am of 2 sleep now01:23
milhouselet me try accessing my TVersity with N800 (Flash 9)01:23
killfillhm.. it looks like cliente should specifically select the a2dp device..01:24
killfilldont know if the sip client will be able to do it..01:24
milhouseCeg: looks like it might be working, perhaps TVersity needs > 7?01:24
milhousebloody slow though - currently maxing out the cpu on my n80001:25
milhouseand still nothing to show for it01:25
milhousegonna have to kill the browser... :(01:26
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killfill"Now all we need is a graphical player like canola that will start a2dpd for us, allow us to choose our output device (a2dp,headphones,or speakers"01:29
killfillcannot i do this witha config file?..01:29
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killfillhm.. /etc/asound.conf doesnt exst..01:31
milhouseu create it01:32
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maddlerJaffa: you mean "music" headphones? or "phone"?01:43
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killfillhm.. <--- that packgaes doesnt seem to work with os2007.. :S01:43
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milhousedefinately worked with 3.200701:43
milhousei had it working for a few days before i blew it away with 4.2007, and i haven't tried since01:44
killfillwired.. the gui could not install it..01:46
milhousethink i used dpkg01:48
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killfillmilhouse: should i see the thing in /proc/asound/cards ?..01:50
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milhouseno idea, i just followed the instructions as best i could and eventually got it working... any impression i've given that i understand how it all works is a complete lie01:51
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killfillUnknown PCM a2dpd201:56
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killfillA2DPD[18:56:21.974]: main_loop: (errno=98:Address already in use)Cannot get UNIX socket01:59
killfilldo i have some kind of strace or something like that? :P01:59
* killfill thinking loud01:59
milhousewhat does your .asoundrc look like?02:00
killfillpcm.a2dpd2 { type a2dpd }02:01
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milhouseok... and you added your BT address to .a2dprc?02:01
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killfillhm.. actually i get this A2DPD[18:59:42.610]: init_ipc: (errno=2:No such file or directory)Selected IPC: unix, addr=, bcst=, port=2145302:02
killfilldidnt worked02:03
milhouseboth .a2dprc and .asoundrc are in /home/user?02:03
killfillyup.. well actually a2dpd works now. (was executing it as root.. :P)02:04
killfillavrcp_new: Listening for AVRCP on socket 1102:05
milhouseah... thank goodness the instructions say to execute as non-root user :)02:05
killfilloh... i think i missread it.. :P02:05
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killfillmilhouse: are your phones stereo?02:12
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killfillah..mine looks not. maybe thats why its not working?..02:12
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milhousedon't know about that02:13
milhousedo you hear any audio at all?02:15
milhousedoes mplayer play, or die?02:15
killfillnope.. it keeps sending things to the a2dpd program.. but its showing a wired log..02:16
killfillletme reboot this again.02:16
killfilli mean.. a2dpd is shoing the wired log, not mplayer02:16
milhousecould be a problem with 4.2007...02:17
milhouseworked with 3.200702:17
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seebs_Hi!  I just upgraded my N800.  I no longer have gst-launch.  Is this my fault?02:18
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milhouseseebs: yes02:18
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seebs_Is there an easy way to regain it?  I am doing an article on the N800, only it got delayed long enough that there was an update, and now my old instructions don't work.02:19
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milhousewhere did you get gst-launch prior to the upgrade, can't you just re-download it?02:19
seebs_I am vaguely of the impression that it was loaded automatically, but I could be hallucinating.02:20
milhousedon't think it was02:20
milhouseis this something to do with gstreamer?02:20
seebs_I have an article I wrote something like six months ago, which implied that I didn't have to do something special to get it... And I don't see gstreamer in any of my repositories ( bora free non-free, bora main)02:20
seebs_I could have downloaded gstreamer and forgotten that I did it, in which case, my instructions were always wrong.02:21
milhousegst-launch definately not part of 3.2007 - just checked a device still running that firmware02:21
seebs_Huh.  apt-cache search gstreamer shows a lot of stuff that doesn't show up in Application Manager.  Should they be that different?02:21
killfillA2DPD[19:16:45.613]: main: (errno=9:Bad file descriptor)a2dpd addr=00:03:89:FC:77:AB timer=0 us [Jun  9 2007 00:16:41]02:22
Radarred pill maybe?02:22
milhouseapp manager is sanitisied for end user satisfaction02:22
seebs_Well, damn.  I guess I downloaded something, then didn't remember that I'd done so.  Bad behavior on my part.02:22
milhousekillfill... i think you need to check with trevarthan for the status of a2dp on 4.200702:22
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proctomy n800 has arrived!02:23
seebs_Thank you, sorry to waste your time with what was, in fact, a genuine stupid question.02:23
milhousewelcome to the club02:23
killfillaccept(65537, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error   :S02:23
proctoalas, there is already a snag :>02:23
seebs_All those people who say there's no such thing as a stupid question, all I have to say is, they never worked tech support.02:23
killfilltrevarthan is the man who wried the page?02:23
killfilltrevarthan: ping02:23
Radarsnag?!  heh02:23
milhousekillfill - yes02:23
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proctothe application manager will not seem to access the maemo repository!02:24
proctoit only accesses the
Radarextra is broken, have to remove that one02:24
proctobut gets nothing02:24
proctoi.e. just free and non-free?02:24
proctoor remove /extras/?02:24
Radardisable /extras/, check the other Maemo repos for extras and remove that part02:25
killfillmilhouse: hes name is jesse?02:25
Radaryou can check tools > Log and see where it's failing02:25
proctoRadar: works now! thanks!02:26
killfilllook so..02:26
Radarkind of annoying.. it should just skip that repo if it fails02:26
milhousekillfill: we aren't on first name terms unfortunately. :)02:26
killfillill drop him an email02:26
killfillmilhouse: thank for your tips!02:26
rebroadHi, Is it possible to query the battery life/charge from the command line please?02:26
milhousenp, sorry it didn't work - when it does it's pretty awesome :)02:26
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proctoRadar: are there any bad consequences to enabling red pill?02:28
proctoI'm installing openssh now, which I guess needs red pill mode to install02:28
proctobut it should be ok to just leave red pill on, right?02:28
milhousered pill can do bad things, you don't need red pill for ssh02:28
RadarI usually turn it off just for cleanliness of the app manager, heh02:28
milhouseto install ssh, just open xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh. job done.02:29
milhousei've never used red-pill (tried it once, didn't like it). i just use apt-get when i need to.02:29
RadarI've only used red pill once to install some lib that an app needed02:29
proctoneed to install xterm, too, right?02:30
Radarbut now I don't know what that app was after the firmware install02:30
milhousexterm - first thing i normally install :) swiftly followed by ssh.02:30
Radaroh, and please tell me you flashed the new firmware before installing things, heh02:30
proctoRadar: of course02:30
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proctoRadar: I'm a noob, not stupid ;>02:30
milhousethere's a difference? ;)02:30
Radarotherwise you would be very angry to find yourself reinstalling everything, heh02:31
proctois the xterm package the one called osso-xterm?02:31
milhousecan you get root?02:31
milhouseif not, install becomeroot as well (or enable R&D mode, whatever is your poison)02:31
RadarI really like the MicroB.. just waiting for someone to repackage firefox extensions02:31
Radarhow does becomeroot work?  I think I have that, but I usually just sudo gainroot02:32
proctodon't you need becomeroot for gainroot to work?02:32
milhouseit modifies the gainroot script02:32
proctoor is it the opposite?02:32
milhouseyou need becomeroot OR R&D mode enabled in order to become, er, root02:33
Radarwell named then02:35
Radarwhich means it cannot be a lunix app02:35
Radarit should be named KradXy02:35
rebroadyou can become root using ssh also02:35
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proctoI open xterm, type sudo gainroot, and it tells me to enable RD mode02:37
milhousein which case install becomeroot02:38
proctoI couldn't find becomeroot in the application manager with redpill on02:38
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proctoapt-get install becomeroot doesn't work02:38
proctoand sudo apt-get install becomeroot asks me for a password02:38
milhouseah... non standard repo02:39
milhouse mistral user02:39
proctoI'm using repository.maemo.org02:39
milhouseadd that02:39
proctomistral? I'm on an n80002:39
proctoshouldn't that be bora?02:39
proctoI can add that in the application manager, right?02:39
milhousewell maybe, try bora02:40
milhouseit seems to be present in both02:40
milhouseyes, add it in app manager02:40
rebroadprocto, install gainroot02:40
proctoinstalled becomeroot02:42
proctoand now I can sudo gainroot02:42
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milhousecool... apt-get install ssh02:42
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rebroadcan anyone please tell me how to check battery level from the command line please?02:43
proctothis is from my n800!02:43
milhousemight not be possible... dbus perhaps?02:43
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zakxrebroad: see
zakxthere seems to be no real posibility02:47
rebroadis the source code for the battery applet available anywhere please, zakx?02:50
milhousea lot of the power management stuff is closed02:52
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zakxrebroad: as far as i know it's part of the closed nokia stuff02:54
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CtrlRDoes anyone know if it is possible to play You Tube videos and the like on the 770?03:03
milhousenot using the built in Flash, but you could try UKTUBE + mplayer03:04
milhouseUKTUBE downloads the FLV which can then be played in mplayer.03:04
CtrlROK, I'll look into that thanks.03:05
rebroadthanks for your answers milhouse and zakx03:05
rebroadlast question: anyone know where i can get a samba server for the n800 please?03:05
milhouseTry here
RadarI read a threadd about that on ITT today03:06
milhousenot sure if it's a samba server or client...03:06
alteregoWell, I just tested Ruby-Maemo on a device.03:07
alteregoStartup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D03:07
rebroadmilhouse. i didn't see any mention of samba server on that url...03:08
rebroad(on the webpage the url pointed to)03:08
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milhousesee where it mentions ZIP files and additional modules?03:09
milhousepptp, nfs, cifs, fuse etc.?03:09
milhousethere _may_ be samba in there03:09
rebroadah. i see. thanks.03:10
milhousedon't know if it's what you're looking for, but this wiki page may also be useful to you:
milhouseright i'm off... night all03:14
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rebroadgoodnight milhouse. and thanks03:16
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CtrlRUktube worked great! Thanks03:35
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RocketmanSo, how is everyone liking the new browser?05:24
pupnik_why do these people want a samba server on their nokia05:27
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RocketmanProbably to make for easier syncing over wifi with a PC05:28
pupnik_if they're using winblows why not just enable the share there and use a samba client on the nokia?05:28
RocketmanTo me, it makes sense to have the share running from the tablet05:29
Rocketmanthe idea being that they would map the share as a network drive on the PC side05:29
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Rocketmanand it would allow for easy dragging and dropping of media files and the like05:30
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pupnik_I see05:30
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pupnik_It's not easy for me to think like a microsoftian05:30
pupnik_makes it easier to transfer to a variety of windows boxes as well05:32
RocketmanWell, most NIT users are probably running windows05:32
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RocketmanI think including samba and an easy to use GUI for it on the NIT side would make a lot of sense05:35
Rocketmanwould make things a lot easier for the casual user05:35
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RocketmanI hate plugging in my USB cable or removing my SD cards when I want to plop some podcasts or something on my N800. I guess I could run rsync or something, but I am too damn lazy05:36
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pupnik_Rocketman: i think a samba client and browser would have made sense as part of the stock OS05:58
RocketmanYeah, I think so too05:59
RocketmanI can understand them not wanting to support too broad a set of applications05:59
Rocketmanbut basic file sharing would have been nice06:00
pupnik_yeah problem is that samba client or server are bloated pigs06:00
pupnik_many many megabytes06:00
pupnik_maybe an older version would be smaller06:00
pupnik_then you'd have people whining about LDAP support06:01
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rwhitbypupnik_: I just use scp over wireless to transfer files06:46
pupnik_me too06:46
rwhitbyRocketman should too then :-)06:46
pupnik_rwhitby: btw scp -c blowfish is supposedly a faster encryption06:46
pupnik_rwhitby: n800 or n770?06:47
rwhitbyyeah, especially with dropbear at the other end06:47
pupnik_ok.  i get strange drops in speed with scp.  starts out fast then goes down to <100kb/s, then goes back up to 300kb/s06:47
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rwhitbycould possibly be waiting for the entropy generator06:48
rwhitbywe had a problem on the nslu2 early on where the entropy generator ran out of random numbers and halted any ssh traffic06:48
pupnik_what is nslu2?06:48
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rwhitby~google nslu206:49
pupnik_oh a linksys06:49
pupnik_yeah sorry06:49
rwhitbydid you get our project as the first link, above the product links?  (
* timeless politely taps pupnik on the shoulder06:51
timelesssir: the nokia 770 doesn't have an n in its name06:51
timelessrhitby: heh (re entropy collector)06:52
pupnik_looks like an interesting device06:52
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timelesscool, sshfs07:11
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milhousetimeless: does that make it a "okia 770" then?07:46
milhouse - and I thought Gecko glue exploited Maemo power07:49
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milhouseMozilla Foundation needs a Geckel project07:52
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colinlhi there!09:26
colinlis there any helper function in libosso or something else, to know whether /media/mmc* are mounted or not? or do I have to do the full gnome_vfs thing?09:26
timelessi suspect there's a message indicating it's mounted09:29
timelessdefinitely not in libosso09:32
timelesscan you use libhildonfm? :)09:33
timelesslibhildonfm looks like what you want09:34
timelessis the internal name09:35
timelessfiguring out the external name is left as an exercise (the callback is volumes_changed09:35
timelesshrm, hildon is supposedly in gnome, right?09:36
pupnik_colinl: how about a sys call?09:39
pupnik_checking output of mount, for e.g.09:39
colinltimeless: thanks :)09:40
colinlpupnik_: it has the disadvantage of requiring a polling instead of having nice signalling :)09:40
pupnik_ah thanks09:40
timelesscolinl: eventually there should be a public cross reference09:41
timelessi'm just taking advantage of my internal cross reference09:41
timelessi'm supposed to be given the keys for lxr.maemo.org09:41
timelessso at some point you'll /probably/ get the same features09:41
timelessexcept for a minor problem...09:41
colinlnice to know :)09:41
timelesshildon is hosted by gnome these days09:42
timelessand the maemo people are banking on not having to manage their sources too09:42
timelesswhich is of course stupid since it means you don't get good cross links for any hildon based code, i.e. most of it09:42
colinlyeah... But the maemo people get less work ;-)09:43
timelessnot work, the work is trivial and i'll do it09:43
timelessthey're only saving disk space09:43
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pupnik_latest new hampshire poll has RP in the lead of the 2nd tier - ahead of Huckabee, Brownback, Hunter, Gilmore, Thompson09:52
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TimRikerI have a bluetooth pda/phone and I can't get my n800 to use it as a modem. It seems it only wants to talk to "phones" and not pdas/laptops/etc even if they can offer a bluetooth modem connection. ideas?09:59
timelesstimriker: there's a wiki or two near maemo.org10:01
timelessi'd search their to see what bluetooth profiles can be made to work10:01
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TimRikertimeless: :) that's where I'm searching now. :)10:03
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Komarovanyone tried to program in Python to use bluez?10:28
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KomarovI'm trying to use dbus in Python but doesn't work10:28
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dpb_ugh.. the garage svn viewer is sucky.. why are the fonts on visited links different size than not visited links? ;/10:41
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blkhawk[work]where can i get the kernel sources and patches from to compile a kernel and modules myself?10:55
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geaaruhi at all! dbus service manage instrospect request?11:00
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evadneehello :)11:00
evadneehow can i watch youtube videos on my nokia?11:01
geaaruand what is interfaces and method of service?11:01
evadnee(rephrase) why can't i watch youtube/flash videos on my nokia internet tablet?11:03
X-Fadeevadnee: You might want to look at Uktube.11:05
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blkhawk[work]anybody know what exactly needs patching in initfs to allow booting from the 2nd partition of a mm card?11:07
X-Fadeevadnee: konttori made an application for viewing youtube videos..11:07
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evadneeX-Fade: oo what is it?11:09
dpb_Is quilt and bc in some maemo repositories?11:09
dpb_The mozilla browser has them on build depends and apt doesn't find them..11:10
dpb_timeless? know about those?11:11
evadneeis there a video player for the NIT that plays flv or rm files?11:12
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evadnee this guy can do it?11:14
guardiandoes the n800 have the same screen physical dimension as the 770 ? i would like to find a screen protection film model that works on both11:29
pupnik_i think so11:31
Radaryes, same screen11:31
pupnik_evadnee: uktube and mplayer will handle most formats11:32
pupnik_(taken together)11:32
Radaryeah, uktube saves the flv from youtube then opens it in mplayer11:33
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janianyone tried to new browser allready ?11:34
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blkhawk[work]flv is just a mp4 file - so mplayer can play it fine11:42
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db48xdpb_: I had to get them from a debian repository11:45
Cegcan someone help me with installing minimo i have the main minimo file but its asking for the runtime files and i can't get them to install :|11:47
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dpb_db48x: yeah, it shouldn't be like that imo :)11:53
db48xthose two will pull in a number of other packages11:53
db48xand if they maintain a separate copy in their repository, it'll just add overhead with little actual benefit11:54
db48xoh, also11:54
db48xinstalling those will probably cause apt to remove a number of important packages11:54
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db48xwhat I did was to allow the install to proceed, then edit /var/cache/dpkg/status so that the libc6-dev package didn't list libdb1-dev as a conflict11:55
db48xthen I could reinstall the packages that had been removed11:56
Cegso i guess its not that simple to install minimo then :|11:57
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db48xCeg: dunno, perhaps nobody else here as attempted it11:57
guardianthx radar11:58
guardianalso, is there a way to log into the device using ssh, then export display to another host, and relaunch hildon ?11:58
Cegwat is it will the internal web broswer when i look a website etc.. and after so long it just close by itself for no reason anyone know y?11:59
db48xyou might go to #minimo on and see if anyone there has installed minimo on an n800 before12:02
db48xthough there may not be anyone there at this time of night12:02
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Cegi meant for a 77012:03
db48xwell, either one12:03
RadarI have minimo on my n80012:03
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dpb_there's a minimo project in garage12:03
Cegis it as simple as just install it and use it ?12:04
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Radaryeah, I just went there, clicked the download, installed no problem12:04
Cegits like i've already got the main minimo file but its asking for like libc6 etc... and thats the problem am only having with it atm12:05
Radarand now with microb I never use it, heh12:05 -> downloads -> keyword: minimo12:05
dpb_db48x: you installed the _binary_ packages from debian repo?12:07
Cegit says problem with installing libxt6, libice6 and libsm6 is missing12:08
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Cegdpb_ i've tryed it the way u said todo it but it only opens my app manager up and says updating and nothing else apart from that12:11
Radarcheck tools > log in app manager to see what it's doing12:12
Cegcan i do that on a 77012:12
Cegwell if u mean can i see anything to do with the minimo then its a no12:14
timelessblkhawk: the nokia os update gateway has a sibling page that offers sources12:16
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Cegi've got the main minimo installf file minimo_16.8-2_armel but its asking for the libice6, libsm6, libxt6 and xlib anyone know where i can find them i have the lastest os 200612:17
AD-N770good morning12:20
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evadneethe 800 has youtube support with the new update does the 770 have it too?12:21
timelessdpb: yeah, what db48x said sorry :)12:22
Radardoubtful unless you use the it2007 hacker edition12:22
Radarnokia pretty much ignores the 770 now12:23
evadneeoh i see12:24
evadneewhats this hacker edition you speak of?12:24
evadneei just want to play shockwave/youtube videos on his thing because 770>iphone12:24
RadarI don't know much about it other than it exists12:25
pupnik_   <<< My dream successor to the N80012:25
Radarmaybe check the 770 forum at
pupnik_i play youtubes with mplayer on the 77012:26
dpb_timeless: you know if there's any plans to include them in maemo repos?12:26
dpb_not really developer friendly when I gotta go get the debian sources and build the packages myself..12:26
Radarpupnik_: I think they'd use the nokia logo instead of yours :)12:26
Enyois anyone in here at GUADEC?12:28
timelessguardian: sure12:28
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db48xdpb_: yea12:29
guardiantimeless: will you tell me how this time ? :)12:29
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dpb_db48x: getting and building from the source packages seems easier. I had no conflicts.12:31
timelessguardian: DISPLAY=:0 stop12:32
timelessguardian: start12:32
timelessfrom your ssh session12:32
guardianthere is no on the device12:32
timeless# Script for starting Maemo environment in Scratchbox.12:33
db48xdpb_: I suspect it may have more to do with which debian version you're grabbing them from12:33
Ceganyone know of any good media server for windows to work on the 770 /12:34
guardianCeg: windows media player 11 serves media12:34
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Cegbut does it like transcode etc.. to work fine on it tho ?12:35
dpb_oh yeah, well, I grabbed them from sarge, safest..12:35
guardianCeg: or you might try TVersity media player in case you don't have a genuine windows :D12:35
guardianTVersity media server i mean12:35
guardianmaybe it even does transcode12:35
timelessmaybe not12:35
Ceglol plus TVersity does i know that but only if i could get the damn thing to work12:35
timelessguardian: so...12:35
guardiantimeless: i tried to stop xserver but the device rebooted12:35
timelessthe device will reboot if you stop a bunch of key processes12:36
timelessso it's not a good idea to do that :)12:36
timelessi think you should probably just try creating a second user account on the device12:36
timelessand using as that user from an ssh session12:36
guardianso you suggest i copy to the device ?12:37
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timelessosso-af-sb-startup is the package12:37
db48xwhy does scratchbox use 'armel' as the architecture name, while everyone else uses 'arm'12:38
timelessit's a fairly simple package, i'm sure it's available for arm and x86, so yeah, just install it12:38
timelessdb4x: armel!=arm12:38
timelessarm is the old arm architecture12:38
timelessarmel is the new architecture12:38
alteregoarmel is new12:38
timelessarm was BE, armel is LE12:38
db48xI thought as much12:38
timelessamong a bunch of other details12:38
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timelessbut changing BE/LE is pretty major :)12:38
alteregoMajor enough yes :D12:39
timelesse.g. spidermonkey doesn't approve when you get it wrong12:39
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lardmantimeless: arm was le too12:39
alteregoI've been using Qemu. It seems to work pretty well.12:39
alteregoIf a little slow.12:39
timelesslardman: um12:39
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pupnik_Radar: if the n900 (or whatever) doesn't have right hand side buttons and a decent dpad, i'm going to look at manufacturing a cradle for it.12:39
alteregoMeh, I don't want it to have any more buttons. :(12:40
pupnik_buy an iphone.  you need de buttons for gaming12:40
alteregoN800 isn't meant for gaming.12:40
lardmantimeless: fpa floating point numbers were stored BE even on LE systems, with the move to VFP the floating point numbers are stored with the same endianness12:41
pupnik_alterego:  if it had these, it'd sellll morrrre12:41
alteregoRubbish. You don't know that pupnik_12:41
timelesslardman: hrm,12:41
lardmantimeless: Yes, there are lots of ways to store numbers, but arm on the Nokia was LE, as was it on the Zaurus, etc.12:42
alteregoI've played tetris a bit on it but I'm not using it for games and I doubt I will ever use it for games.12:42
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timelesslardman: ok, i'll sit corrected12:42
RadarI'd rather have a slide out keyboard12:42
timelessi'd rather have a poney12:43
timelessor pony12:43
timelessnot really picky12:43
lardmantimeless: I think LE was the way people wrote the code to begin with, that thread is about someone wanting to try BE. I think anyway12:43
alteregoYeah, that would be neat. I don't like the lack of screen estate whilst using the onscreen boards.12:43
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alteregoI'd like the PowerVR chip to work.12:43
pupnik_What do you think sales figures on the Tablets are?  Sales figures for the Nintendo DS portable were 485,000 units in *February*.  Sales figures for the PSP were 176,000 for the sony PS2 in the same MONTH.12:43
lardmanalterego: Have you looked at the SDK?12:44
alteregopupnik_, both those devices are way off what the internet tablets are. They're two  completely different markets that Nokia has tried and failed to interfere with.12:44
pupnik_Would Nokia be smart to release *another* tablet that's "crippled by design" for gaming?12:44
guardianbuy a psp12:45
timelesspupnik: don't accuse nokia of being smart12:45
alterego"crippled by design" aye?12:45
pupnik_Not at all. The same people want both functions.12:45
guardiancase closed12:45
alteregoBe more imaginative.12:45
guardianor buy a ds12:45
alteregoYou wont both versions.12:45
guardianworks as well12:45
timelessthis channel is about maemo12:45
guardianand if you really love nokia12:45
guardianfind a ngage on ebay12:45
alteregoYes, I'm sure sony and nintendo will do a better job than nokia for games.12:45
guardianyou're welcome =)12:45
alteregoFor starters where are all the games for the internet tablet pupnik_ ?12:45
alteregoWho's going to write all these games?12:46
pupnik_ of course :P12:46
pupnik_and b, have you heard of emulators?12:46
alteregoMaybe you should develop your own platform then :P12:46
alteregopupnik_, pointless12:46
blkhawk[work]got my root on mmc working12:46
alteregoYou want to emulate another device?12:46
alteregoThis conversation is getting more and more pointless :P12:47
timelessalterego: flash games!12:47
timelessso you can have a battery life of 1-2 hours :)12:47
timelessunlike my gameboy which lasts for days12:47
timelessand is from what, 198812:47
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inzIsn't Sega like part of Nokia, we want Sonic on 770/N800!12:48
alteregoIn short, if Nokia were to add gay-ming buttons to the internet tablets they would lose a lot of potential business users.12:48
timelessNokia - Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile ...12:48
timelessNokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile interactive gaming.12:48 -12:48
alteregoMe too. There'd be no way I'd continue if they bought out a PSP.12:48
alteregoAnyhow, I actually have work to do :D12:49
alteregoruby-maemo is coming along really nicely.12:49
inztimeless, yeah, I remembered wrongly, they didn't by the whole thing, just "stuff"12:49
blkhawk[work]it seems much faster - and I havent even got a better kernel yet12:49
pupnik_the 3430 will be powerful enough to emulate most 8-bit consoles and run most 2D sdl games.  With the DynRec CPU on dosbox it should also emulate a 386 PC.12:50
__Nikos__I use a static ip on n800, i can connect to the internet but i cannot ping the device. Ping works fine when i get an ip automatically12:51
pupnik_With cyclone core, full-speed amiga and atari 68k will be possible.12:51
pupnik_*8-16 bit consoles12:51
alteregoSounds really boring.12:52
blkhawk[work]Amiga isn't boring12:53
blkhawk[work]plus zelda is cool - and smb3 isn't half bad either12:53
pupnik_There are a lot of PSP and DS owners who are buying them for the hacked emulation12:53
Radarwho needs those? where have solitaire!12:54
blkhawk[work]I should write a guide on how to make MMC bootable with just a linuxpc12:54
* timeless thinks we don't have a grammar checker12:54
blkhawk[work]the guides in the wiki are too OS version specific12:54
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blkhawk[work]is ext3 or ext2 better as FS on the mmc?12:55
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__Nikos__is there a firewall on n800?13:00
blkhawk[work]__Nikos__: no13:00
blkhawk[work]__Nikos__: and it usually should answer to pings13:00
__Nikos__blkhawk[work]: when i get an ip automatically ping, ssh etc works fine. When i use a static ip i can connect on the internet but i cannot ping13:01
blkhawk[work]__Nikos__: maybe the script that sets the ip is faulty13:03
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blkhawk[work]do you have root?13:04
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__Nikos__blkhawk[work]>: yes i have root and i set the ip from Control panel-> connectivity13:05
__Nikos__blkhawk[work]>: from the device i can ping other pcs not the opposite though13:05
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blkhawk[work]__Nikos__: i suggest you try to see what ifconfig can tell you when you are running with DHCP and when you arent13:07
* blkhawk[work] has his own problem atm13:08
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__Nikos__blkhawk[work]>: I've already made o quick check on that but i'll try again thanks13:09
blkhawk[work]__Nikos__: I might try to replicate your problem with os2005 once I reboot my device13:11
__Nikos__blkhawk[work]>: Ok thanks a lot!13:12
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timelesswhat names does gnudiff have?13:17
blkhawk[work]any idea why some packages comlain that they are already installed?13:19
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Jaffatimeless: just had a bit of a moan on #1695, I'm afraid ;-)13:20
timelessjaffa: i don't know what to do13:21
timelessif you guys stick it in n800:browser, it's valid13:21
timelessif i move it there, some idiot will file it against in n800:browser (mozilla engine)13:21
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Jaffatimeless: It's generally the responsibility of the people who know the structure of the internal projects to move bugs to the right place.13:22
Jaffatimeless: when that happens they can get a good slapdown and it closed as DUPLICATE.13:22
Jaffatimeless: you happy for me to try & reopen it and assign it to n800:browser?13:22
timelessjaffa: it's generally the tendency of reporters to only search for bugs in the one place they expect the bug to be in13:22
timelessbe my guest13:22
Jaffatimeless: really? I always search everything, cos I know how crap people are at categorising. But then I'm a neat freak who knows users are crap ;-)13:23
timelessbut i expect you to do the slapping when it  gets filed in mozilla engine the next time13:23
timelessjaffa: look at the bug13:23
timelessthey're clear about wanting to file it in mozilla engine13:23
timeless"  Since this is the only mozilla related13:23
timelesscategory it's rather hard to file enhancement requests against other13:23
timelessapplications. "13:23
timelessthey were not going to look in n800:browser13:23
Jaffatimeless: I'll happily slap people. Especially when I'm in a bad mood/feeling ill like today.13:24
timelessanyway, be my guest13:24
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timelessnote that the reason enhancement isn't removed is because it's a global property of bugzilla13:25
Jaffata - I think everyone's still just happy to have an open source, Mozilla-based browser engine.13:25
timelessthese are not happy people13:25
timelessthey're end users13:25
blkhawk[work]do normal arm binarys run on OS2005?13:25
Jaffatimeless: I hope you're not suggesting you *don't* want enhancement requests tracked in Bugzilla ;-)13:25
timelessand they should go take a leap into an ice berg and come back when it melts13:25
Jaffablkhawk[work]: generally, yes.13:25
blkhawk[work]Jaffa: i want t o get dropbar on here13:25
timelessjaffa: at the moment? if you're not putting up code? that's right13:25
Jaffatimeless: tsk, you developer you ;-)13:26
timelessif you post a bug and a patch for microb, that's fine13:26
timelessjaffa: the release is clearly labeled for developers only13:26
Jaffablkhawk[work]: dropbear had been cross-compiled anyway.13:26
timelessnot for end users13:26
Jaffatimeless: absolutely.13:26
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blkhawk[work]Jaffa: ya but the file is gone13:26
timelessand i'll gladly buy you meals occasionally for slappings you give13:26
Jaffablkhawk[work]: doh.13:26
blkhawk[work]its only for os2006 now13:26
blkhawk[work]oh - is ext3 a better choice as FS on an SDcard?13:27
Jaffatimeless: There've already been some users slapped down on ITT for saying "oh, it's so buggy I've gone back to Opera"  and not a) raising bug reports, b) expecting better of a pre-reelease13:27
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timelessjaffa: actually, there's one other guy i need help w/13:29
timelesshe posted a reply to my garage news item13:30
timelessand i really don't want to deal with him directly13:30
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timelessoh, jaffa, one note13:49
timelessby default bugzilla won't reassign when you reopen and change compoennt13:49
timelessso you should go back to the bug and select (*) Reassign to default13:49
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pupnik_cool... can record maemo sessions with this?   xnee - Xnee can be used to record and replay an X-session13:52
inzpupnik, that is no video capture or anything, but "event recording"13:59
inzpupnik, think macros13:59
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pupnik_i wish i hadn't read about the OMAP 3430.  I want an IT with it so bad now.14:01
Jaffatimeless: done.14:04
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Jaffatimeless: thanks for that. I'll look for the garage item.14:05
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Jaffatimeless: which one do you want dealing with? Java applets? The bug reports in the comment? Problems with the app mgr or something else?14:06
VladDracnice.. just got my 770, delivered within a day, from france even :)14:07
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VladDractime to rtfm now, it appears not to support wpa2 ootb14:10
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MikhoIs there an utility I could use to find out if my maemo program is leaking resources?14:16
therilMikho: valgrind?14:16
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MikhoOk, I'll check it out, thanks14:19
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i-nZHey. Where can I get libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2) or libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) (required by pidgin) ?14:24
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pupnik_latest i see is Filename: ./pool/bora/free/binary/libgcrypt11_1.2.0-11.1osso_armel.deb14:33
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db48xcompiling a deb shouldn't fail just because it failed to convert the TeX documents to html14:44
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sciboyFlashing a 770 with the latest firmware doesn't rely on the rs-mmc card ey? So I could get a 2GB rs-mmc, and upgrade it to 2007HE which will support it?14:49
timelessjaffa: hold14:49
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timelessoh man14:50
timelessthere are 7 comments now14:50
timelessthere were only 2 when i lookoed last14:50
* timeless kicks gforge14:50
timelessjaffa: :(, well re 2006 it'd be nice to point out that we don't even support 3.2007 (or 2.2007, or the original os 2007 for that matter)14:52
timelessjaffa: the comment i need dealt w/ is izrael boss14:53
JaffaThought it might be.14:54
JaffaLet me get some lunch and I'll go on a commenting spree.14:55
timelessthe application manager bit i've sent along to the app manager guy since he wanted feedback :)14:55
timelessif you comment on app manager, there's a log in app manager and  the user should at least look at it14:55
timelessapp manager has a component (or more) in bugs.maemo and problems should be reported there, logs added as attachments after filing reports14:55
alteregoHmm .. Time for the first package me thinks.14:56
Jaffatimeless: indeed.14:56
* timeless sighs14:57
timelessgforge "threading" is such a mess14:57
timelessdon thompson made a link for java14:57
timelessi'd leave it alone14:57
timelessmy text indexer doesn't speak russian14:59
timelessok, but it's still easy enough for me to search the file once i'm there, good.15:00
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sciboyDoes the browser support audio at all or would I have to work something out with the flash player?15:06
timelesssciboy: not sure what you mean15:07
timelessin theory it has nsISound15:07
timelessso if you have UniversalXPConnect, you could probably play a beep15:07
timelessotherwise, most normal people use flash :)15:07
timelessit doesn't have support for <bgsound> or anything like that15:08
sciboyBummer. =P15:08
timelessand normal media is handled by this evil plugin which just launches media player15:08
timelessthat's unchanged from  opera15:08
timelessand is per ui spec15:08
timelessdon't worry, the ui spec will never be published15:08
timelessyou don't want to read it15:08
sciboyI know I don't, I just want to work on a graphical web game, oh which reminds me, it at least supports svg?15:09
sciboyAlthough depending on the rendering performance I might have to go for good ol' raster.15:10
timelesswe explicitly list that as missing in the browser whitepaper15:10
sciboyBummer #215:10
timelessno xul support either15:10
timelesscanvas should be there15:11
timelessfor fun, you should try nsISound and see if it's useful15:11
sciboyI think I can work around gif animations and static images.15:11
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timelessif you can make nsISound play enough sounds that you're happy w/ it, then i can explain how you'd deal w/ making it work in a system15:11
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sciboyProbably not to be honest, funneling it into flash or if I'm feeling up to it, a small python/pygame daemon would be the safest bet.15:12
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sciboyActually... I don't think I've seen anyone do that... I could offer sound support as an offline feature. I will try to avoid Flash if I can.15:14
_Monkeysalut, _abc_15:15
_abc_salut ? .ro ?15:15
_Monkey_abc_: what?15:15
sciboyI'm just surprised that svg support and tools didn't develop quicker.15:15
_abc_salut is in French or Romanian. Which ?15:15
_abc__Monkey: never mind15:15
_Monkey_abc_: sorry...15:15
_abc_anyway I have a prob that is off topic, but there are experts here  so ..15:16
_abc_gnokii config with dku5 cable and nk312015:16
_abc_any1 know a config that works ?15:16
_abc_the cable is new. I suspect it is bad15:16
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_abc_but before I take it back I want to try a few things15:17
* sp3000 tests ctho's canvas toys15:19
sp3000hmm, rollercoaster gets about 2fps15:19
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sciboyDoes Maemopad+ has the ability to export images?15:22
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onion_anyone know is the warranty 2 years for the 770 ?15:29
timelesssp3000: 2fps eh, not too bad, didn't flash have worse performance when it first shipped? :)15:34
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pupnik_dunno... btw there are standalong flash players (gash?) that might be interesting15:44
timelessto whom?15:48
timelessnokia pays for flash15:48
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pupnik_they could end up being faster than adobe/opera15:49
sciboyI'm actually quite surprised with the progress they've made with gash.15:49
guardianduh, i thought there was a g_strcmp func15:49
timelesspupnik: what does opera have to do with flash?15:50
sciboyIt still doesn't hold up to most basic apps, but still they've come a lot further than anyone else.15:50
pupnik_what is the flash player on the 77015:50
pupnik_macromedia-flashplayer - OSSO Macromedia Flashplayer15:51
dpb_pupnik_, sciboy: it's gnash, not gash..15:52
sciboyBut gash is more impressive.15:52
dpb_GASH, a type of virtual currency offered by the Asian online gaming portal Gamania. ? :P15:53
timelessAbout Macromedia Flash Player 7...15:54
timelessso says the .so anyway :)15:54
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sciboyAs long as I have my youtube videos I don't really mind. =P15:55
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timelesson 770? forget it15:59
timelessfor 770 you'll want an app that gets the mpeg4 that the iphone gets15:59
pupnik_i play youtube videos on 770 all the time, using youtube-dl then mplayer15:59
timeless(heck, for n800 you want that too, but at least on n800 you can play youtube)15:59
sciboyYeah, I was talking about the indirect route. =P16:00
timelessmplayer has its own support for flv?16:01
timelessdoes it support flash9 flv?16:02
pupnik_i don't know of dunno - whatever youtube uses16:04
pupnik_if you have a test vid < 320h i can try it16:04
timelessi don't16:05
pupnik_<340 i mean16:05
pupnik_<240 argh16:05
* timeless doesn't even know wha tthat means16:05
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schroederhi there16:11
_Monkeyhey, schroeder16:11
schroederi just have one (maybe) small question ;)16:11
schroedersdl/sound on os2007 on a nokia n77016:12
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schroederi change the devive from dsp3 to dsp2 in alsaconf so that sdl works, but still no sound16:13
pupnik_hi schroeder i have it working16:14
schroedergreat, any hints for me?16:14
pupnik_i just followed the steps on the ITT forums :/16:14
schroederhmmm, i thing i did everythink there, gconf-tool etc. do you have a link?16:15
MoRpHeUzno way to find the place to change the browser engine on the menu... =/16:17
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pupnik_  schroeder << there is my alsa.conf16:19
pupnik_but i'm not sure that addresses your problem16:20
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MoRpHeUzX-Fade: but people at the maillist are talking about an option at the menu that switches...16:20
timelessx-fade: so, we're still looking for information about the missing menu16:20
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schroederthanks, i will just compare that16:20
timelessmorpheuz: url?16:21
timelessi need gconf dupms16:21
timelessprobably a ps list to indicate if gconfd is alive ?16:21
X-FadeMoRpHeUz: Well, after editing that file, the menu option is there..16:21
timelessmorpheuz: so....16:21
X-FadeMoRpHeUz: Strange thing is that some people have this by default :)16:21
timelesswe're really looking for an explanation of how you end up w/ not having it16:21
MoRpHeUzX-Fade: exactly!16:22
timelessi talked w/ the engineers a bit more16:22
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timelesswhen microb installs, it sets a bit in gconf indicating there's a reason to consider the menu16:22
pupnik_  << schroeder16:22
pupnik_schroeder what sdl game is having problems?16:23
schroederscummvm and marbles16:23
schroedermy alsa.conf looks alright16:23
timelessthen the browser starts, if it sees that bit and doesn't have any hidden= line, then it'll set hidden=true16:23
X-Fadetimeless: Interesting..16:24
timelessi think that if when it starts and doesn't have hidden= and doesn't see the gconf bit, it might mark it as false at exit16:24
MoRpHeUztimeless: hhmm...that should explain something like: people who install it while in red pill mode get this enabled...16:24
timelessstill don't understand it16:24
VladDracargh... the 2006 mailclient doesn't remember your default sorting?16:24
timelessmorpheuz: eh?16:24
X-Fadetimeless: Can it be a race condition?16:24
VladDracoh wait, it's just slow16:24
timelessx-fade: dunno16:24
X-FadeI am red pill btw..16:24
timelesswe've tried it both w/ browser running and quiting browser before finalizing install16:24
timelessmost of our testers aren't using redpill16:25
timelessbut um, i think i'm using redpill16:25
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timelesslemme check16:25
timelessi like red pill as a candidate16:25
timelesssp3000: pin16:25
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sp3000yeah, red16:26
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milhouseMoRpHeUz: I got the menu and I don't use red-pill mode16:30
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MoRpHeUzmilhouse: hhmm...16:31
schroederHas anyone more a idea, why i don't have sound in sdl (scummvm, marbes) with os2007he on a n770? i applied all alsaconf stuff...16:32
* sp3000 throws around random variables16:36
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disqmorning (ugt)16:39
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timelessfirst attempt using red pill mode didn't work16:43
Tu13esbest way to gain root access to my n800?16:43
timelessssh root@127.116:43
Tu13esalso, best way to ssh server using dropbear?16:43
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timelessmorpheuz: ok, i'm going to try 2 more times w/ slight variations, but so far it looks like red pill isn't the explanation :(16:44
Tu13esis dropbear the best way to set up the n800 as a ssh server?16:44
mgedmindunno, I use openssh16:44
mgedminit's a bit tricky to install, though16:45
mgedminso maybe dropbear is better16:45
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MoRpHeUztimeless: =)16:47
Tu13esdoes becomeroot work on n800/it2007?16:47
mgedminit should16:47
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mgedminbtw there are two versions of becomeroot and they are different16:48
mgedminone enables you to sudo su, the other enables you to sudo gainroot16:48
disqwho needs becomeroot when theres ssh root@127.116:48
lardman|afkdisq: less typing16:49
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lardmanTu13es: enable red pill mode & install openssh. dropbear doens't do sftp16:49
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Tu13esssh root@127.1 gives me connection refused16:50
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Tu13essame deal16:51
sp3000did you install an ssh server?16:51
Tu13esi thought i installed dropbear16:52
Tu13eslocalhost fails too16:52
Tu13esssh: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused16:52
mgedminthere are separate packages for dropbear server and client16:52
* sp3000 hasn't tried dropbeah16:52
mgedmindo you have the server package installed?16:52
* sp3000 likes to keep things simple16:52
* sp3000 is weird like that16:52
Tu13essp3000: use openssh?16:52
* sp3000 does16:52
Tu13esah, my dropbear-server says it's broken16:53
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Tu13esshould I just do that instead?16:56
lardmanif it works as is then leave it be16:56
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milhousewhy do i always read about people having problems with dropbear but never openssh... can someone delete dropbear, it's a support overhead ;)17:11
inzI've seen more the other way round17:11
rwhitbyDoes dropbear do agent forwarding properly yet?17:12
milhousemaybe it's selective memory on my part then :)17:12
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mgedminmy guess is that openssh is harder to install so users who manage to install it know how to fix problems themselves :)17:13
milhouseinstall xterm, install becomeroot, install open ssh (apt-get install ssh). job done. :)17:14
db48xwhat does dropbear do that openssh doesn't?17:14
rwhitbyor with the gui, get into red pill mode, install ssh, done.17:14
milhousenothing, dropbear does a lot _less_ than openssh17:14
lardmandropbear is a small install17:14
rwhitbydropbear is smaller and slower (at least on an NSLU2 it's slower than openssh)17:14
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db48xseems like a poor choice then17:15
milhouseanyone who wants ssh probably wants xterm and becomeroot/R&D mode as well though, no?17:15
lardmanfor us with 128MB(?) flash yes, for a Zaurus 5500 with 16MB total, not necessarily17:15
rwhitbyOne set of tests found OpenSSH on the NSLU2 to be 8x faster than dropbear at scp transfers - 800kB/s vs 100kB/s (using "scp -c blowfish" as this should be the least CPU-intensive cypher).17:15
milhousei used openssh on 770 (64MB) too but probably would go with dropbear on a device with less memory than 64MB17:16
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i-nZhorray for the mozilla based browser17:18
i-nZthat makes the n800 actually usable17:18
i-nZplus minimo was waaay to slow and dodgy17:18
trevarthanwas someone looking for me earlier? My irssi session crapped out.17:19
Tu13esmm, dropbear was giving me more problems so i got rid of it and am installing openssh17:20
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Tu13eshm, so I think I've got it running (i can ssh into it from another machine) - how do I config it to start automatically?17:23
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milhouseTu13es: already does that as part of the install17:24
milhouseshould be in /etc/init.d/ssh {start|stop|reload|force-reload|restart}17:25
Tu13esnow to start fiddling with openvpn17:28
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trevarthanmilhouse: have you tried kagu lately?17:32
trevarthanIt's much much improved from the version you downloaded a few weeks ago.17:32
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geaaruhi, is there a tutorial for nokia mediaplayer? (or informations about dbus mediaplayer service?) thanks in advance17:35
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Tu13esis OpenVPN the easiest way to set up a client on the n800 and a server elsewhere?17:39
Tu13esor Hamachi? or something else?17:39
disqthere's always ssh port forwarding17:39
Tu13esI just need to get around my school's wireless network crap17:40
Tu13esso that may work17:40
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Tu13esah, nice, it does allow ssh17:42
geoffegWhen I put the cover on my Nokia 770 it locks the keys, shuts off the screen and wireless radios. What's the equivalent on the N800 since it doesn't come with a hard cover?17:43
pupnikdoes anybody know if that mozilla-based browser will work on thne 770 IT2007HE?17:44
Tu13esgeoffeg: Offline Mode then Lock Screen and Keys17:44
geoffegTu13es: So it's a bit more effort than the 770.. Two operations instead of one...17:44
zakxgeoffeg: there is a shortcut for this17:44
geoffegsmash the n800 on the ground? :)17:45
zakxthere is a "soft poweroff" mode17:45
zakxyou need to uncomment the section in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml17:45
zakxthen reboot17:45
trevarthanis that like a sleep mode?17:46
trevarthani.e. acpi/apm?17:46
geoffegzakx: how do i activate it once i've rebooted?17:46
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zakxgeoffeg: it'll appear as an option in the power button menu17:46
Tu13eshow is that different than lock screen and keys?17:47
trevarthanzakx: is that in 3.2007? Or is that a latest firmware only thing?17:47
zakxtrevarthan: that worked for me already in the preinstalled firmware17:47
lardmanpupnik: I would have thought it'd be possible, or at least that it would be released eventually17:47
zakxso it's most likely there in previous versions17:47
trevarthanTu13es: it only supplies power to the RAM, I think. I don't think anything else is getting power, so the device isn't functioning. It's asleep.17:48
Tu13esreading a forum post that says it doesn't turn off wifi17:48
trevarthanIsn't the newest firmware supposed to help with wifi power usage a lot anyway?17:48
geoffegI'm thinking of upgrading to an n800 for the firefox-based browser, skype and flash 9.17:48
zakxgeoffeg: it's actually opera17:49
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lardmanzakx: there's a new mozilla based backend17:49
trevarthanzakx: no, there's a new mozilla based browser available.17:49
geoffegzakx: there was just smoe release of a firefox-based browser for the n80017:49
lardmanattack on all fronts!17:49
zakxthere is?17:49
pupniklardman: well a number of things work in bora, so i might as well just try it17:49
trevarthanI don't think it's firefox based though. I think it's just mozilla based.17:49
zakxso, how do i get it?17:49
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trevarthanFor example, the XUL plugins for firefox don't work, so no mozphone or firebug...17:50
lardmanpupnik: If not, the source is available17:50
geoffegtrevarthan: yes, sorry.. i gues "gecko-based" would be more acurate.. but most people say "what's gecko" so i was shooting for the most recognizable name.17:50
pupnik  <<-- once more, my ideal form factor for the n800 successor17:51
trevarthanpupnik: is that what the 770s look like up close? I've never seen one...17:51
lardmanpupnik: More buttons might be useful, but a keyboard would sell it for me17:52
mgedminpupnik: what's that thing in the bottom-right?17:52
geoffegpupnik: i still think the camera should be at the top like macbooks17:52
zyxulnagaa keyboard is important to have17:53
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pupnikcamera :)  yeah a pop-out rotatable camera would be nice too - let you aim it forward or at your face17:53
gla55_pupnik: the pad could be better for gaming17:53
gla55_direction pad that is..17:53
pupnikyeah, i increased the size and made the enter key smaller17:53
gla55_pupnik: ngage classic has ok pad that you can push in too17:54
* lardman loves screen size on n800, but hates the bloody poppy-uppy keyboard eating into it & altering the screen layout17:54
* zakx really needs a foldable fullsize bt-keyboard17:55
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X-FadeOh just for your information about the Gecko based browser:
trevarthanzakx: The Thinkoutside/igo keyboards work ok. A lot of crap doesn't work on them (anything using the Fn key) and some of the keys and really quirky, but it's better than using the pen.17:57
pupnikgla55_: yeah... thing is you could never sell an IT with full-size game controls to people - you'd have to keep bezels on left and right to a minimum17:57
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gla55_yeah it's too bad17:57
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gla55_they should sell alternative cover17:57
gla55_same hw but a bit different plastic17:58
pupnikgla55_: exactly.  That'd be a really clever idea.  A different sliding cover, one with game controls on either side17:58
pupnikthat way you can purchase it as an add-on piece, and only use that cover when you want the controls and don't mind a couple centimeters added length17:59
pupnikI'll do an image of it sometime17:59
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geoffeganyone know if any  work is being done to make the soft thumb board be more intelligent (like the iphone)?18:06
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Cegyhi can someone tell me how do i use the bluetooth on the 770 ?18:09
geoffegwhat do you want to use it for?18:09
geoffeginternet access?18:09
Cegyfile transnfer is that possible18:09
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geoffegif you have your phone paired to the device just opening the file browser will show your phone18:10
Cegyhow would i do that?18:10
Cegyso i can't use my pc to accect it with bluetooth ?18:10
geoffegnever tried to use it to connect to my pc18:11
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geoffegbut if you want to see your phone use the "phone" item inthe control panel18:11
Cegyoh ok18:12
_Shurik_Anyone's thinking about going to DefCon this year?18:12
Cegyso is there anyway i can get to my 770 frommy pc ?18:12
_Shurik_what's wrong with usb?18:13
Cegyam lazy18:13
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zakxafter installing the mozilla engine, apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install osso-browser-opera-eal18:17
zakxwouldn't that override the mbrowser-eal?18:18
Cegyi wanna know how to dod that :|18:18
Cegyi can't even install minimo18:18
zakxminimo sucks anyway18:20
Cegythe internal is crap for me18:20
Cegyit keeps on closing itself off :|18:20
zakxso, why don't you install it using the appmanager itself18:21
zakxno need to transfer files from your pc18:21
ramo102Hi everybody. I have a question for you :Does the Mozilla based browser supports SVG or not? And how can I test it?18:21
Cegybecause i can't install it as it ask me for soem runtime files18:22
Tu13eswhy cant I edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml?18:22
Tu13espermission denied, but i'm root18:23
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lardmanIs there a list of n800 hardware components (i.e. chip names & numbers) somewhere?18:25
X-Faderamo102: Svg works. At least the svg on wikipedia if you search for svg.18:25
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pupnikTu13es: lsof |grep /etc/systemui18:27
geoffegsvg++ # cool18:28
Tu13espupnik: still permission denied18:28
pupnikthat i think that should show you any processes that have the file open and blocked18:28
sciboyWoah, back up. The minimo allows for svg?18:29
Tu13espupnik: doesn't show anything18:29
X-Fadesciboy: No, maemo browser..18:29
sciboyEven better.18:29
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tigertzak, do not dist-upgrade18:30
tigertits not tested and no guarantee it works18:30
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zakxtigert: that's stupid18:31
zakxit's debian-based and the debian way of updating software is either "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"18:31
X-Fadezakx: Well, upgrade isn't a problem..18:32
tigertyes. but it is not debian18:32
zakxdist-upgrade shouldn't either18:32
X-Fadedist-upgrade is an entirely different animal ;)18:32
zakxN800:~# cat /etc/debian_version18:32
zyxulnaganot even apt-get update works for me18:32
zakxso, that's debian18:32
zyxulnagaI have to update the package list from the package manager18:33
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zakxwhy should you?18:33
pumpkingodallo allo18:33
pumpkingodanyone having issues with libcurl on maemo?18:33
zakxit's just doing "apt-get update" in colored.18:33
X-Fadezyxulnaga: You need to be root..18:34
zyxulnagaI am root18:34
zyxulnagait just doesn't work18:34
ramo102X-Fade: yes, but on they says that SVG is not supported...18:34
X-FadeIt does for me..18:34
geoffegprobably didn't add SVG to the build to reduce memory footprint18:34
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zakxN800:~# echo osso-browser-opera-eal hold |dpkg --set-selections18:35
zakxproblem solved18:35
X-Faderamo102: Yeah, you are right. They sometimes say it does and sometimes says it doesn't. Hmmm the wikipedia example I tested is a ... png ;)18:35
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zakxThe following packages have been kept back: osso-browser-opera-eal18:35
zakxi win.18:35
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ramo102X-Fade: :-) infact... do you know a site where real SVG test can be made?18:37
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zyxulnagaapt-get fails with one of the gpg signatures18:38
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zyxulnagaW: GPG error: bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <>18:39
zyxulnagamaybe because I have the maemo repo's18:39
zakxzyxulnaga: that's a warning18:40
zyxulnagaoh warning for apt-get error for GPG I guess18:41
lardmanIs the webcore engine available for download somewhere?18:42
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lardmanAh, ignore that question18:44
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trevarthanpupnik: for the n800 mark 2, I think they need to completely get rid of the pen. It's too tempting for finger unfriendly app developers.18:49
trevarthanDoes anyone seriously use maemo's handwriting recognizer?18:50
Tu13esanyone else know how i can edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml without permission errors?18:50
_Shurik__trevarthan: I don't, I type faster18:50
_Shurik__and even I can't read my own handwriting, I don't think n800 will get it either :)18:51
disqTu13es: you have to be root18:51
Tu13esi thought i was18:51
disq_Shurik__: same here18:51
zyxulnagaTu13es I just edited mine18:51
zyxulnaga(as root offcourse)18:51
_Shurik__disq: sorta sad, I filled in few forms yesterday. My hand almost fell off18:51
_Shurik__damn technology18:51
Tu13esI did the passwd -l root thing, how do I undo that?18:52
trevarthan_Shurik_: same here. I haven't written clearly since 4th grade. And I've been using a keyboard since around the same time.18:52
_Shurik__sad sad sad18:52
trevarthanI think it's an honest mistake by the Nokia staff. They're trying to please everyone, and some people are used to palm's pen system. But I think it's clear that people prefer fingers and they need to fix it.18:53
zyxulnagaTu13es: become root edit /etc/passwd and remove '!' infront of your password fields if there is one18:53
zyxulnagathen run passwd to set a new pass18:53
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zyxulnagaor -u should do it18:53
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_Shurik__so... DefCon - anyone is going?18:54
zyxulnagaI am18:54
Tu13eshm, I can't log in as root because of passwd -l root, I think18:55
zyxulnagasudo gainroot fails?18:55
Tu13eshavent installed gainroot18:55
zyxulnagait's there by default18:56
Tu13eswas just using ssh root@localhost18:56
zyxulnagaopen an xterminal and run it18:56
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Tu13escal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found?18:56
lardmanneeds r&d mode tho18:56
Tu13esEnable RD mode if you want to break your device18:56
zyxulnagayour device should be in R&D mode18:56
Tu13eseasier to just install becomeroot or no?18:56
zyxulnagapoweroff, usb connect it and then run flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode --reboot18:57
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zyxulnagaand you should be set18:57
Tu13esdoes that kill all my apps and stuff?18:57
Tu13esor just put it in rd mode?18:57
Presence_Anyone get the 770 to work with enterprise WPA yet?18:58
Tu13eswhat else does R&D mode do? any downsides?18:58
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zyxulnaganot aware of any18:58
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zyxulnagaother than anyone can get root in your device from a user terminal18:59
_Shurik__it becomes self aware18:59
_Shurik__do not take your R&D-ed n800 to DefCon :)18:59
Tu13esany way to get root working again without running the flasher? I'm not sure if I have a usb cable handy19:02
Hyperion|n800is it just me or does java eat massive cpucycals in the new mozbe engine?19:02
platten hello, does anyone know why my N800 can't play regular divx/xvid/h.264 files19:02
plattenI have mplayer installed and it just doesn't want to work19:02
Presence_I have root, and I never ever messed with the flasher19:02
Tu13esI had it but did passwd -l root19:02
lardmanplatten: Run it from the command line and see what it says19:03
_Shurik__platten: always use media converter or video converter19:03
Presence_and you didnt do a passwd -d before logging out?19:03
dragornPresence_: AFAIK from looking at the driver source code, adding other WPA methods will be impossible w/out the driver source19:04
dragornPresence_: The WPA key handling, etc, is all w/in the binary blob19:04
lardman_Shurik__: It may not play fast, but it ought to play them anyway19:04
plattendoes that mean I have to reencode everything? Is the processor simply too weak (everything works PERFECTLY on my modded Apple TV)?19:05
Presence_that sucks dragorn...not having enterprise WPA sucks :(19:05
dragornThe apple TV is pretty significantly different than the nokia in terms of processing power19:05
Presence_is there an usb ethernet dongle or something that works?19:05
_Shurik__lardman: yes, but sorta kills the experience... I'd rather have smooth playback really19:05
lardman_Shurik__: True, but would be interesting to know why it refuses to work anyway19:06
dragornPresence_: In THEORY you could get a usb 802.11 device, set it to host mode, build a power injector cable, add a battery pack, crossbuild the drivers, and run wpa_supplicant19:06
_Shurik__lardman: not sure... I had some unconverted avi's play with no problem19:07
_Shurik__slight delays but still viewable19:07
_Shurik__who knows19:07
dragornPresence_: I've done all of the above except care about wpa supplicant.  It's rather unwieldy to have to carry around a battery pack though.19:07
plattendoes anyone know when the N800 successor will come out? Perhaps something as meaty as an iPhone (600 Mhz?)19:08
Tu13eszyxulnaga: can I use R&D mode to fix my passwd -l root and then disable R&D mode?19:08
lardman_Shurik__: I bet the mplayer etderr/stdout output knows ;)19:08
_Shurik__lardman: I'm sure :)19:08
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zyxulnagaTu13es: yeah you can disable it with the flasher19:09
zyxulnagadragorn: I heared that nokia might be able to change their EULA and provide means of accessing the source code for the wireless driver19:10
Tu13eszyxulnaga: and R&D mode will let me fix passwd -l root, right?19:10
zyxulnagaI think so19:10
dragornzyxulnaga: That would be nice, though I haven't heard it.19:10
dragornzyxulnaga: There is a source package available already, however all it contains is the wrapper to translate kernel structs to the binary blob19:11
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Tu13eszyxulnaga: would it be easier to just install becomeroot?19:11
zyxulnagaI don't know what's easier that's up to you to decide19:11
zyxulnagadragorn: yeah I 've seen that19:11
Tu13esfair enough19:11
zyxulnagaare you refering to the one in garage?19:11
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zyxulnagathere might be another way to get root btw :>19:12
Cegycan some help me as i've installed aircrack-ptw and i don't know how to use/get to it19:12
zyxulnagagainroot does a chroot to an init filesystem19:13
OkkoSigh. "The update erases all data in the device memory."19:13
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plattendoes anyone know if it's possible to overclock the n800 safetly to abou 400 MHz?19:14
mgedminwhat chroot?  gainroot?  is there some other gainroot out there that does a chroot?19:14
gla55_platten: wouldn't the question be more like if it's possible?19:14
gla55_or is there a tool similar to plams etc now then?19:15
dragornCegy: there is no packet injection on the 800.  Aircrack is effectively useless, especially ptw.19:15
zyxulnagaunder special conditions it does19:15
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Cegyi've got a 770 :)19:15
zyxulnagaMODE=`/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --get-rd-mode`19:15
zyxulnagaif [ x$MODE = xenabled ]19:15
plattenI thought it had dynamic cpu frequency control19:15
plattenas a way of conserving power...19:15
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zyxulnagatime for food19:17
dragornCegy: There is no packet injection for the 770 (unless you're using an external card via usb hack), blah blah blah.19:17
Cegyoh so its usless then?19:17
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Tu13eshooray, i have root back19:26
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Presence_so what can I do to get wireless with enterprise WPA or just wired ethernet on my 770?19:31
Presence_is there an usb adapter that works?19:32
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||cwout of the box?  probably not, and it would be cheaper to pick up a netgear or linksys router to use as a wap anyway19:33
Presence_cant just throw that shit into my work environment :(19:34
||cwand as long as you run your wap in wpa, it can argue that it's more secure than letting a wifi enabled laptop connect to the ethernet... you could set the laptop wifi in ad-hoc and enabled ICS19:34
Presence_Im set at home...its at work where it sucks :(19:34
Presence_I set up the rogue wifi detection packages here...I would rather not show up on the rogue lists :)19:35
||cwI mean, if they are allowing people to connect personal devices to the lan, security is out the window anyway19:35
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Presence_its all auth before IP using NAC19:36
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||cwso make it offical, I set up a public wifi here that plugs into the internet, no direct lan access, that I only plug in when guests are here and need it19:36
Presence_if your device doesnt meet standards, you get thrown into the leper colony, which is ok, since all I want is web to the internet otherwise19:36
||cwis there a linux client for it?19:37
||cwis there even a windows mobile client for it?19:37
Presence_for what?  NAC?19:37
Presence_NAC is all run on the network side.19:37
Presence_all behind the curtain19:37
||cwbut you need a client...19:37
||cwor is it mac address based?19:38
||cwhow do laptops use it?19:38
||cwhow would you connect a linux based laotp19:38
Presence_you need a client to get internal access19:38
Presence_if you dont have it, you go to the leper colony19:38
Presence_which is fine...19:38
||cwright, so back to my first questions19:38
Presence_and there are unix clients for it19:38
Presence_NAC is both cisco and hp...19:38
||cwis there a windows mobile client?19:40
Presence_sure...but I dont need it19:40
Presence_because I just want to be in the leper colony (web access)19:40
||cwso if there is a windows mobile, and there is unix, then a arm linux client is not too far a stretch19:41
||cwok then what's the problem19:41
Presence_right...but thats alot of effort...its still WPA enterprise19:41
Presence_which doesnt work today19:41
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||cwso wpa and wpa2 don't cut it?19:43
||cwhm, 770 doens't have wpa2, but does have wpa eap19:44
Cegycan someone help me with getting root on the 770 i have just ssh it and use the username as rootme but it ask for a password i don't know wat it could anyone might know wat it is ?19:46
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derfCegy: rootme _is_ the password.19:48
derfThe username is root.19:48
Cegynice :D19:48
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Cegyis that it19:49
Cegyam root now /19:49
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LinuxApeanyone here using the ne mozilla browser?19:52
zumbiwho wants the mozilla browser?19:53
Presence_I need WPA LEAP....19:54
Presence_maybe when I replace these 1200s with the hp procurve devices, EAP will be enough19:54
LinuxApeit's the gecko engine in the opera browser19:54
Presence_since PEAP and LEAP are really cisco specific19:54
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AD-N770do you know how to launch mediaplayer form command line ?20:00
rebroaddoes who know how?20:01
alteregoHmm .. My CalendarPopup wont close ..20:02
rebroadrather than using scratchbox. is it possible to gcc directly on the device instead?20:03
alteregoYou could use an interpreted language lebroad.20:03
rebroadAD-N770. have you tried running it from the GUI, and then running a PS to see what the process is called?20:03
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_Monkeyniihau, ioan20:04
rebroadalterego. not as efficient as a compiled prog though, is it?20:04
ioanquestion, a good place to get gba games for my n800?20:04
alteregoDepends on what you mean by efficient.20:04
alteregoIt might not be _as_ fast as compiled code. But in a lot of situations you're not going to notice.20:05
alteregoOkay, none of my popup dialogs are closing :/20:08
alteregoI thought 'run' took care of all that.20:08
MikhoIs there a way to clone GtkWidget:s?20:08
alteregoMikho, what do you mean by clone?20:09
rebroadi was thinking of developing apps that would work on both maemo and qtopia.. does that sound doable?20:09
alteregorebroad, sure. It's doable.20:09
Mikhomake a fresh new copy20:09
MikhoI'd need to copy notebook pages20:10
alteregoWhat's with all this flippin emails from nokia I'm getting ..20:10
alteregoYou can write a copy func. I don't know if glib defines a gobject copy func,.20:10
alteregoIt might do, check the API.20:11
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MikhoI can't find such a function20:12
Mikhoand thanks to C, these Gtk libraries contain gazillions of functions20:13
MikhoI'd like to remove C from the world20:13
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alteregoIt's not an issue with C Mikho.20:14
alteregoWithout those functions. The world wouldn't exist how you know it today :P20:14
Mikhowell I know...20:14
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alteregoRuby Maemo is fun :P20:15
MikhoIt's just hard to feel gratitude while looking at function names such as create_new_foo_from_bar_with_parameters_type_n(...);20:16
dragornIf horrifically slow20:16
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dragornWhat do you think C++ does internally?  Same mess.  At least the GTK stuff is all named consistently.20:16
Mikhoyes, the point is that it does it internally, without rubbing it into my face20:17
Mikhobut anyway...20:17
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Mikho't see any other way than to repeat loading the .glade file and rename&reattach some particular widgets20:18
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alteregoThat's why I wanted to write Ruby-maemo.20:19
alteregoDon't have to worry about any of that BS.20:19
alteregoEspecially with my dislike of C++ ..20:19
Okkohehe, Maintainer of the Skype-ui package is "FIXME <>"20:19
Mikhohm, Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory looks like a solution to my problem20:21
timelessokko: i thought i complained about that20:23
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rebroadregarding getting more granular battery level readings... who would know this? only the closed source nokia developers?20:23
Okkotimeless: possible20:24
timelessokko; :( i can't find a complaint about that20:25
Okkorebroad: have you checked /proc?20:28
rebroadOkko, yes20:29
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Mikhooh, actually it seems libglade has meant to construct the widgets from the xml several times, it actually caches the xml structure to speed up the process20:35
trevarthantimeless: lol!20:35
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blkhawkI just build a USB-host powersource20:41
disqi'm looking for a way to detect the headset button presses20:42
blkhawkany idea how to get the host mode to run or how to test it?20:49
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Tu13esanyone here use hamachi?20:50
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trevarthandisq: does it send a KEYDOWN event?20:52
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trevarthanmy screen's backlight pulsates visibly at low power. Is that normal?20:55
trevarthanmy laptop's backlight did that too before it died....20:56
disqtrevarthan: i only checked with xterm and no. couldn't find xev for armel. it could be sending some invisible X key20:56
disqhaven't noticed any pulsing on mine20:56
trevarthando all of the other hardware keys show up in xev?20:56
disqxev is supposed to show all the X events20:57
disqso probably yes20:57
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* sp3000 beats google reader into userContent.cssubmission20:57
trevarthanMaybe the button on the headset functions by cutting power to the mic or something?20:57
disqshould be an api to detect it20:58
timelesssp3000: =)20:59
disqmm it sends the key 26902513421:00
disq"1008 ff6e"21:00
trevarthan:) sweet21:00
trevarthanI really wish I hadn't lost my headset.21:01
disqthe keycode is XF86XK_Phone21:02
trevarthanyou gonna morse code it? :)21:03
disqi will. though i don't use the default headphones21:03
zuhI wonder if it works with the screen locked21:03
trevarthanI wonder if they put an accelerometer in that thing too. :-P21:03
disqi might have to desolder the earbuds and put in my regular iriver earbuds21:04
trevarthanzuh: do any of the keys work with the screen locked?21:04
disqif only they had the vision to do that :)21:04
zuhtrevarthan: Probably not :)21:04
zuhIt'd be just sensible to make it mute/unmute for media players21:05
disqthey don't. iirc mce disables the keypad/touchscreen interrupts21:05
disqlet me find the osso mce guy's (was it david?) mail21:05
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Tu13esso, I followed this guide and everything was fine and great21:06
Tu13eshowever I can't seem to run tuncfg, I get permission errors21:06
trevarthana2dp AVRCP keys work with the screen disabled. Problem is that they're bloody slow with it disabled or enabled... like 20 - 30 seconds to register sometimes. ugh.21:06
disq"I'll see what I can do about this; for the 770 it's easy enough; the21:06
disqkeypad can just be left enabled, since there's a cover anyway (with21:06
disqmodifications to mce, that is). For the N800 this is not possible,21:06
disqsince there's no cover, and the entire keypad (both rocker and top keys)21:06
Tu13espermission denied, that is21:06
disqare wired to the same interrupt source, which means that partial21:06
disqdisabling is not possible, which means that some sort of mod to21:06
disqosso-systemui-tklock will be needed too."21:06
disqerm. really sorry21:06
disqbad, bad gmail and line breaks21:07
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Tu13esnever mind, figured it out21:08
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disqmmm.. softpoweroff doesn't disable the headset button (lock screen&keys does)21:11
trevarthanI thought the whole unit shut down with softpoweroff? Like an apm/acpi suspend to ram?21:12
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disqno it just turns off the screen and keys. keeps working21:12
disqin fact i edited mce.ini so that a short press on the power button enables softpoweroff, a long press brings up the menu\21:13
trevarthanwhat's the difference then?21:13
trevarthanWhy isn't softpoweroff enabled by default?21:13
disqi think it was meant for testing (QA issues?)21:13
trevarthanyeah, I don't get it.21:14
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disqi also have the led lights enabled but disabled most of them in mce.ini. they only blink if there's a chat event pending21:15
trevarthanoh, that's wicked handy.21:16
trevarthanit's like a message waiting indicator. Why the heck isn't it like that by default?21:16
trevarthanCan you please tell me how you did that?21:16
disqedit /etc/mce/mce.ini :)21:17
trevarthanwait... so which chat clients does it work with?21:17
disqto disable the led indicators for specific events, use "255;0;0;0;0;0"21:17
disqworks with the built in chat thingy (won't work with xchat etc)21:18
trevarthanwhat does mce stand for?21:18
Hyperion|n800anyone know if ssh for the n800 supports x forwarding?21:18
disqm* control entity. not sure about the m. could be mobile21:19
trevarthanHyperion|n800: it supports port forwarding. Not sure about x forwarding.21:19
disqHyperion|n800: there should be some info about that on ITT21:19
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Hyperion|n800thanks, I know it worked on the n770, i'll look into it21:20
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sp3000Name: mce21:20
sp3000Description: Mode Control Entity21:20
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trevarthandisq: can I just remove the patterns from the LEDPatterns string?21:22
Hyperion|n800well ssh -h turns up the -X option, so I guess it works21:22
* Hyperion|n800 curses not having a static ip at home21:23
disqnot sure. to disable a pattern i replaced it with "255;0;0;0;0;0". removing them might a)revert to default b)cause mce to fail starting a reboot loop c)undefined behavior21:23
disqd)might just work21:23
trevarthanHyperion|n800: That's what I use.21:23
Hyperion|n800ah, thanks :)21:23
trevarthanall of runs off a non-static ip.21:23
trevarthandisq: ok, I'll go with what you used then. I'm scared.21:24
disqremoving them from "LEDPatterns" could work but never tried it21:24
trevarthanwhich ones did you nullify? just the battery charge events?21:25
disqPatternPowerOff, PatternDeviceOn, PatternBatteryCharging, PatternBatteryFull21:25
guardianwhat's the use of this maemo toolchain ??? in scratchbox repositories21:25
disqpatterndeviceon is the most useless of them all21:25
disqthe leds "blip" as long as the device is on. wasting battery21:26
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trevarthancan I just comment them out and add a new entry? Vim's syntax highlighting doesn't like that.21:27
disqtrevarthan: while you're at it drop the PowerKeyMediumDelay and PowerKeyLongDelay vars by 500, it's easier to use that way21:27
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disqyeah you can21:27
disqi just back up mce.ini as mce.ini.original and don't bother with commenting21:27
guardiani meant devkit21:27
guardianthis one:
guardiani can't find any doc on it21:27
trevarthandisq: yeah, good idea21:29
disqnow I have sardine on the other partition i'm kinda more flexible playing with the system21:29
disqif it doesn't boot, i can boot sardine, mount the partition and revert21:30
trevarthandisq: how do I make these changes take effect? Just turn on the LEDs?21:31
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Cegywat is scratchbox?21:31
disqtrevarthan: reboot :)21:31
disqkill -HUP mce could work though21:32
guardianisn't there anything more than schedules online ? for guadec 2007 ? like presentation slides, video streams etc ?21:32
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guardianwtf, even the dog agility competition that takes place in my village streams all around the world !21:33
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sp3000mmm, webamecopyimglocation21:35
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Tu13esanyone familiar with hamachi?21:38
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timelE61isp3000: ping21:42
timelE61ia friend needs to find a timetable from roama sp to helsinki for tmorrow21:43
sp3000from what?21:44
timelE61iis the busstation still open and do they have a usable web site'21:44
timelE61iit's on the west coast.. Rauma21:45
* sp3000 can't resolve roama sp21:45
sp3000ah :)21:45
* timelE61i can't hold finish name sound maps21:45
timelE61ihrm, friend found timetable21:47
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timelE61inow i just need to find food21:47
timelE61iIdeas? :(21:49
Tu13escan I tunnel all my traffic from my n800 via a ssh tunnel?21:50
danilo_Tu13es, I'd made a port of tsocks some weeks ago, but it doesn't worked with some app's21:51
Hyperion|n800hrm, google spreadsheets loads up with a black cell field.....21:51
Tu13esbasically when I'm on campus WLAN, they block most stuff except 80, 443, 22, and a few others21:51
Tu13esso I figure I should tunnel all my traffic through 22 to my home PC21:51
sp3000more importantly, can you tunnel food to timelE61i via a ssh tunnel21:52
danilo_Yes. I have the same problem.21:52
danilo_sp3000, ?21:52
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timelE61isp3000: the pizza bug predaes you, right?21:53
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Cegyis there any wlan scanners for 770 ?21:54
trevarthanstupid internet connection. goes down once a week. retarded.21:54
Cegyor bluetooth21:54
_Monkeyi guess bluetooth is the only protocol that really needs the system to have a recognizable name21:54
trevarthanshut up monkey.21:55
sp3000_Monkey: forget bluetooth21:55
_Monkeysp3000: I forgot bluetooth21:55
sp3000(or, uh, don't talk unless talked to)21:55
trevarthandid I miss anything?21:55
timelE61isounds about right21:55
trevarthanI wish you could verbally abuse _Monkey. That would be fun.21:56
timelE61idoes it fight back?21:56
_Monkeybadmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit!21:57
trevarthanhe knows his place though.21:57
sp3000hm, not entirely, I reported something a few months prior21:57
sp3000don't recall seeing that one before though21:57
_Monkeyrumour has it trevarthan is the man who wried the page21:57
trevarthanforget trevarthan21:58
_Monkeytrevarthan: I forgot trevarthan21:58
timelE61i_monkey status21:58
_MonkeySince Tue Jul 17 20:38:49 2007, there have been 231 modifications and 14 questions.  I have been awake for 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, 29 seconds this session, and currently reference 1224 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.21:58
* trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with _Monkey's mom.21:58
trevarthantrevarthan  is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with _Monkey's mom.21:58
_Monkeytrevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom.21:58
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* timelE61i finds a chinese place toward boulvardi from kamppi22:03
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timelE61idid you see the code stats site oloho?22:03
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alteregoHas anyone here ever used the CodeDialog?22:28
alteregoIt displays a dialog. Just not with any key pad :/22:29
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_Monkeyniihau, b52laptop22:42
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b52laptopstupid question : maemo will run in another device except nokia 770 ?23:03
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blkhawkdoes the usb-host mode work on os2005?23:40
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mgedminblkhawk: you mean on the nokia 770?  yes, it does, if you do the appropriate hardware and software hacks23:44
blkhawkI might miss a software hack then23:45
blkhawkI have a power source running and switched to the host mode with the flasher23:45
blkhawkbut dmesq doesn't show anything no matter what i plug in23:46
Cegyanyone knows if u can out x-chat full screen on the 770 ?23:46
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VladDracso, where's the collection of cool 770 software apps? :)23:50
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SomeoneE1seanything new or exciting?23:51
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VladDrachmm, 4 downloadable apps.. impressive :)23:52
soothsayerI know this is OT, but does anyone know any place on the internet to get real-time coverage of the Pan American Games in Rio?23:55
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