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| phyber | hi. is there a working repository for the osso-xterm? | 00:07 |
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| phyber | the stuff under http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/osso-xterm/ is slightly broken, it seems. | 00:07 |
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| AD-N770 | maemo hackers | 00:09 |
| phyber | maemo hackers is broken as well, it seems. their trac is trashed :) | 00:09 |
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| alterego | Urgh .. | 00:11 |
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| alterego | How to write API docs. | 00:12 |
| alterego | Am I right in thinking there's a tool to take snapshots of the desktop in the Maemo SDK? | 00:15 |
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| Swapper | hi | 00:20 |
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| alterego | Sneak peek of Ruby-Maemo http://alterego.freeshell.org/projects/ruby-maemo/examples | 00:42 |
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| milhouse | timeless: any idea if tabs will be supported by Maemo Mozilla in future? Or is this an issue with the Browser UI/EAL thang? | 00:47 |
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| Jaffa | milhouse: I imagine it's Browser UI | 00:50 |
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| blkhawk | lo | 00:50 |
| blkhawk | howdoes oneedit the menu? | 00:50 |
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| Jaffa | blkhawk: Which menu? | 00:51 |
| blkhawk | the app menu | 00:51 |
| milhouse | Jaffa: thought it might be... tabs would be good, might even work with Opera too | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | blkhawk: In Control Panel somewhere | 00:52 |
| milhouse | Navigation | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, my N800 was on 3 bars 2 hours ago, now the battery's flat. | 00:52 |
| ||cw | 3 bars of 4? that's about right | 00:52 |
| milhouse | what has it been doing for the last 2 hours? | 00:52 |
| milhouse | :) | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: nothing - less than it's been doing all day. No software running, just sat in soft-power off like most of the day (and yesterday). | 00:53 |
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| sp3000 | top? | 00:53 |
| _Monkey | top is probably the Status Bar | 00:53 |
| milhouse | forget top | 00:53 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot top | 00:53 |
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| phyber | anyone have a working repo with the e2fsprogs, etc? | 00:56 |
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| phyber | like, a working maemo.org repo. :/ | 00:56 |
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| milhouse | http://repository.maemo.org bora free ? | 00:57 |
| phyber | I'm using mistral for my 770. it's bora just more recent stuff, or is it for the 800? | 00:58 |
| milhouse | bora is OS 2007 | 00:58 |
| phyber | ah, ok. I'm only OS2006. | 00:58 |
| milhouse | not sure about OS 2006... some of the repositories seem to have gone tits up | 00:58 |
| phyber | yeah, the stuff is listed but trying to download it results in 404. | 00:58 |
| milhouse | have you tried gregale? | 00:58 |
| phyber | trying to do the stuff to boot from MMC :) | 00:58 |
| milhouse | seems to be a caching issue of some sort (wonders what mods are in the nokia apache) | 00:59 |
| * thoughtfix hates his job | 00:59 | |
| thoughtfix | anyone looking for a ... um ... a thoughtfix? | 00:59 |
| timtimred | will there be more official 2006 updates? or do nokia not love 2006 anymore :) | 00:59 |
| milhouse | tuntimred: no more OS 2006 updates | 01:00 |
| milhouse | timtimred: OS 2007HE is your best bet from now on | 01:00 |
| timtimred | hmm, will the navcore stuff work with the 2007HE ? | 01:00 |
| milhouse | maybe, nobody will know for sure until more work is done on it. good chance it will | 01:00 |
| milhouse | should be another release in a few weeks | 01:01 |
| phyber | I haven't.minope, I've not tried gregale. what's the difference between that and mistrel? | 01:01 |
| timtimred | if it does i'd install it for sure | 01:01 |
| phyber | s/garbage/fixed beginning of sentance/ | 01:01 |
| killfill | hey.. anyone has a bt headset?.. | 01:02 |
| thoughtfix | I have several | 01:02 |
| Ceg | from the os 2007he work fine on the 770 ? | 01:03 |
| thoughtfix | But bluetooth audio isn't included ... | 01:03 |
| milhouse | OS 2006... Mistral (Maemo 2.0), Scirocco (Maemo 2.1), Gregale (Maemo 2.2) | 01:03 |
| killfill | thoughtfix oh.. :( werent there a bounty for it? | 01:03 |
| Ceg | milhouse how would u find out which 1 of them u have ? | 01:03 |
| blkhawk | is there a repository for the kernel sources plus patches? | 01:03 |
| milhouse | Ceg: Yes, works pretty good | 01:03 |
| killfill | now the we have sip.. earphones are more necesary.. :P | 01:03 |
| milhouse | Ceg: Go to Control Panel -> About Product and look at Version | 01:04 |
| thoughtfix | Some people hacked bluetooth audio to work | 01:04 |
| thoughtfix | but it's not installable yet | 01:04 |
| phyber | milhouse: thanks, gregale seems to be working :) | 01:05 |
| milhouse | cool :) | 01:05 |
| maddler | evening | 01:06 |
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| Ceg | i've got the os 2006 3.2006.49-2 watever that means | 01:06 |
| maddler | damn... I can't recall where my N800 is! | 01:06 |
| milhouse | that's the latest available OS 2006 firmware | 01:06 |
| Ceg | oh thats good then | 01:08 |
| Ceg | :D | 01:08 |
| Ceg | so if i wanna update to os 2007 is it safe ? | 01:08 |
| Ceg | and if i don't like it for watever reason can i reflash back to 2006 ? | 01:09 |
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| milhouse | Ceg: Yes and yes | 01:11 |
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| milhouse | totally safe, just reflash back to OS 2006 using the flasher or Windows Software Updater (tell it where to find the image on your PC) | 01:12 |
| milhouse | firmware? | 01:12 |
| _Monkey | somebody said firmware was available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 01:12 |
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| killfill | thoughtfix, you happend to remember any url about that hacket bt audio support?... osund interesting.. | 01:13 |
| Jaffa | killfill: google "kagu maemo" | 01:13 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: kagu? | 01:14 |
| _Monkey | well, kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu | 01:14 |
| Jaffa | there you go :) | 01:14 |
| thoughtfix | I only heard about it in here, killfill | 01:14 |
| * Jaffa beds | 01:15 | |
| killfill | A2DP <-- that how its tecnically named? | 01:15 |
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| Jaffa | Yup | 01:15 |
| killfill | (bt audio/mic i mean) | 01:15 |
| killfill | ahá | 01:15 |
| killfill | thank. | 01:15 |
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| milhouse | not sure about mic - but deffo stereo audio | 01:15 |
| * Jaffa is seriously tempted by some BT headphones now, albeit they're probably really expensive. | 01:16 | |
| killfill | all righy | 01:16 |
| Ceg | how can i install flashplayer 7 on the 770? | 01:20 |
| milhouse | it comes as standard | 01:20 |
| milhouse | nothing to install | 01:20 |
| Ceg | well i can get the TVersity to work its asking me to install it thats y i asked | 01:20 |
| milhouse | 2 options: bad flash detection, or it needs flash 8 or flash 9 | 01:21 |
| milhouse | what url? | 01:21 |
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| Ceg | mt internal ip | 01:22 |
| Ceg | lol | 01:22 |
| Ceg | my* | 01:22 |
| Ceg | doesn't matter am of 2 sleep now | 01:23 |
| milhouse | let me try accessing my TVersity with N800 (Flash 9) | 01:23 |
| killfill | hm.. it looks like cliente should specifically select the a2dp device.. | 01:24 |
| killfill | dont know if the sip client will be able to do it.. | 01:24 |
| milhouse | Ceg: looks like it might be working, perhaps TVersity needs > 7? | 01:24 |
| milhouse | bloody slow though - currently maxing out the cpu on my n800 | 01:25 |
| milhouse | and still nothing to show for it | 01:25 |
| milhouse | gonna have to kill the browser... :( | 01:26 |
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| killfill | "Now all we need is a graphical player like canola that will start a2dpd for us, allow us to choose our output device (a2dp,headphones,or speakers" | 01:29 |
| killfill | cannot i do this witha config file?.. | 01:29 |
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| killfill | hm.. /etc/asound.conf doesnt exst.. | 01:31 |
| milhouse | u create it | 01:32 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: you mean "music" headphones? or "phone"? | 01:43 |
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| killfill | hm.. http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA <--- that packgaes doesnt seem to work with os2007.. :S | 01:43 |
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| milhouse | definately worked with 3.2007 | 01:43 |
| milhouse | i had it working for a few days before i blew it away with 4.2007, and i haven't tried since | 01:44 |
| killfill | wired.. the gui could not install it.. | 01:46 |
| milhouse | think i used dpkg | 01:48 |
| killfill | yup | 01:48 |
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| killfill | milhouse: should i see the thing in /proc/asound/cards ?.. | 01:50 |
| milhouse | errrrr.... | 01:50 |
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| milhouse | no idea, i just followed the instructions as best i could and eventually got it working... any impression i've given that i understand how it all works is a complete lie | 01:51 |
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| killfill | jaja.. | 01:51 |
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| killfill | :) | 01:51 |
| milhouse | :) | 01:51 |
| killfill | :S | 01:56 |
| killfill | Unknown PCM a2dpd2 | 01:56 |
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| killfill | errr | 01:59 |
| killfill | A2DPD[18:56:21.974]: main_loop: (errno=98:Address already in use)Cannot get UNIX socket | 01:59 |
| killfill | do i have some kind of strace or something like that? :P | 01:59 |
| * killfill thinking loud | 01:59 | |
| milhouse | what does your .asoundrc look like? | 02:00 |
| killfill | pcm.a2dpd2 { type a2dpd } | 02:01 |
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| milhouse | ok... and you added your BT address to .a2dprc? | 02:01 |
| killfill | yup | 02:02 |
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| milhouse | rebooted? | 02:02 |
| killfill | hm.. actually i get this A2DPD[18:59:42.610]: init_ipc: (errno=2:No such file or directory)Selected IPC: unix, addr=127.0.0.1, bcst=127.0.0.255, port=21453 | 02:02 |
| killfill | yup | 02:03 |
| killfill | didnt worked | 02:03 |
| milhouse | both .a2dprc and .asoundrc are in /home/user? | 02:03 |
| killfill | yup.. well actually a2dpd works now. (was executing it as root.. :P) | 02:04 |
| killfill | avrcp_new: Listening for AVRCP on socket 11 | 02:05 |
| milhouse | ah... thank goodness the instructions say to execute as non-root user :) | 02:05 |
| killfill | oh... i think i missread it.. :P | 02:05 |
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| killfill | milhouse: are your phones stereo? | 02:12 |
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| milhouse | yes | 02:12 |
| killfill | ah..mine looks not. maybe thats why its not working?.. | 02:12 |
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| milhouse | don't know about that | 02:13 |
| milhouse | do you hear any audio at all? | 02:15 |
| killfill | nope | 02:15 |
| milhouse | does mplayer play, or die? | 02:15 |
| killfill | nope.. it keeps sending things to the a2dpd program.. but its showing a wired log.. | 02:16 |
| killfill | letme reboot this again. | 02:16 |
| killfill | i mean.. a2dpd is shoing the wired log, not mplayer | 02:16 |
| milhouse | could be a problem with 4.2007... | 02:17 |
| milhouse | worked with 3.2007 | 02:17 |
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| seebs_ | Hi! I just upgraded my N800. I no longer have gst-launch. Is this my fault? | 02:18 |
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| milhouse | seebs: yes | 02:18 |
| seebs_ | Waaaah. | 02:19 |
| milhouse | :) | 02:19 |
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| seebs_ | Is there an easy way to regain it? I am doing an article on the N800, only it got delayed long enough that there was an update, and now my old instructions don't work. | 02:19 |
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| milhouse | where did you get gst-launch prior to the upgrade, can't you just re-download it? | 02:19 |
| seebs_ | I am vaguely of the impression that it was loaded automatically, but I could be hallucinating. | 02:20 |
| milhouse | don't think it was | 02:20 |
| milhouse | is this something to do with gstreamer? | 02:20 |
| seebs_ | I have an article I wrote something like six months ago, which implied that I didn't have to do something special to get it... And I don't see gstreamer in any of my repositories (repository.maemo.org bora free non-free, maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main) | 02:20 |
| seebs_ | Yes. | 02:20 |
| seebs_ | I could have downloaded gstreamer and forgotten that I did it, in which case, my instructions were always wrong. | 02:21 |
| killfill | :S | 02:21 |
| killfill | dammit | 02:21 |
| milhouse | gst-launch definately not part of 3.2007 - just checked a device still running that firmware | 02:21 |
| seebs_ | Huh. apt-cache search gstreamer shows a lot of stuff that doesn't show up in Application Manager. Should they be that different? | 02:21 |
| killfill | A2DPD[19:16:45.613]: main: (errno=9:Bad file descriptor)a2dpd addr=00:03:89:FC:77:AB timer=0 us [Jun 9 2007 00:16:41] | 02:22 |
| killfill | :( | 02:22 |
| Radar | red pill maybe? | 02:22 |
| milhouse | app manager is sanitisied for end user satisfaction | 02:22 |
| seebs_ | Well, damn. I guess I downloaded something, then didn't remember that I'd done so. Bad behavior on my part. | 02:22 |
| seebs_ | Okay. | 02:22 |
| milhouse | killfill... i think you need to check with trevarthan for the status of a2dp on 4.2007 | 02:22 |
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| procto | my n800 has arrived! | 02:23 |
| seebs_ | Thank you, sorry to waste your time with what was, in fact, a genuine stupid question. | 02:23 |
| milhouse | welcome to the club | 02:23 |
| killfill | accept(65537, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error :S | 02:23 |
| procto | alas, there is already a snag :> | 02:23 |
| seebs_ | All those people who say there's no such thing as a stupid question, all I have to say is, they never worked tech support. | 02:23 |
| killfill | trevarthan is the man who wried the page? | 02:23 |
| killfill | trevarthan: ping | 02:23 |
| Radar | snag?! heh | 02:23 |
| milhouse | killfill - yes | 02:23 |
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| procto | the application manager will not seem to access the maemo repository! | 02:24 |
| procto | it only accesses the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 02:24 |
| Radar | extra is broken, have to remove that one | 02:24 |
| procto | but http://repository.maemo.org/ gets nothing | 02:24 |
| procto | i.e. just free and non-free? | 02:24 |
| Radar | yep | 02:24 |
| procto | or remove /extras/? | 02:24 |
| Radar | disable /extras/, check the other Maemo repos for extras and remove that part | 02:25 |
| killfill | milhouse: hes name is jesse? | 02:25 |
| Radar | you can check tools > Log and see where it's failing | 02:25 |
| procto | Radar: works now! thanks! | 02:26 |
| killfill | look so.. | 02:26 |
| Radar | kind of annoying.. it should just skip that repo if it fails | 02:26 |
| milhouse | killfill: we aren't on first name terms unfortunately. :) | 02:26 |
| killfill | ill drop him an email | 02:26 |
| killfill | hehe | 02:26 |
| killfill | milhouse: thank for your tips! | 02:26 |
| rebroad | Hi, Is it possible to query the battery life/charge from the command line please? | 02:26 |
| milhouse | np, sorry it didn't work - when it does it's pretty awesome :) | 02:26 |
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| procto | Radar: are there any bad consequences to enabling red pill? | 02:28 |
| procto | I'm installing openssh now, which I guess needs red pill mode to install | 02:28 |
| milhouse | nooo.... | 02:28 |
| procto | but it should be ok to just leave red pill on, right? | 02:28 |
| milhouse | red pill can do bad things, you don't need red pill for ssh | 02:28 |
| Radar | I usually turn it off just for cleanliness of the app manager, heh | 02:28 |
| milhouse | to install ssh, just open xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh. job done. | 02:29 |
| procto | hm | 02:29 |
| procto | k | 02:29 |
| milhouse | i've never used red-pill (tried it once, didn't like it). i just use apt-get when i need to. | 02:29 |
| Radar | I've only used red pill once to install some lib that an app needed | 02:29 |
| procto | need to install xterm, too, right? | 02:30 |
| Radar | but now I don't know what that app was after the firmware install | 02:30 |
| milhouse | xterm - first thing i normally install :) swiftly followed by ssh. | 02:30 |
| Radar | oh, and please tell me you flashed the new firmware before installing things, heh | 02:30 |
| procto | Radar: of course | 02:30 |
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| procto | Radar: I'm a noob, not stupid ;> | 02:30 |
| milhouse | there's a difference? ;) | 02:30 |
| Radar | otherwise you would be very angry to find yourself reinstalling everything, heh | 02:31 |
| procto | is the xterm package the one called osso-xterm? | 02:31 |
| milhouse | yes | 02:31 |
| milhouse | can you get root? | 02:31 |
| milhouse | if not, install becomeroot as well (or enable R&D mode, whatever is your poison) | 02:31 |
| Radar | I really like the MicroB.. just waiting for someone to repackage firefox extensions | 02:31 |
| Radar | how does becomeroot work? I think I have that, but I usually just sudo gainroot | 02:32 |
| procto | don't you need becomeroot for gainroot to work? | 02:32 |
| milhouse | it modifies the gainroot script | 02:32 |
| procto | or is it the opposite? | 02:32 |
| milhouse | you need becomeroot OR R&D mode enabled in order to become, er, root | 02:33 |
| Radar | well named then | 02:35 |
| Radar | which means it cannot be a lunix app | 02:35 |
| Radar | it should be named KradXy | 02:35 |
| rebroad | you can become root using ssh also | 02:35 |
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| procto | I open xterm, type sudo gainroot, and it tells me to enable RD mode | 02:37 |
| milhouse | in which case install becomeroot | 02:38 |
| procto | I couldn't find becomeroot in the application manager with redpill on | 02:38 |
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| procto | apt-get install becomeroot doesn't work | 02:38 |
| procto | and sudo apt-get install becomeroot asks me for a password | 02:38 |
| milhouse | ah... non standard repo | 02:39 |
| procto | huh? | 02:39 |
| milhouse | http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user | 02:39 |
| procto | I'm using repository.maemo.org | 02:39 |
| milhouse | add that | 02:39 |
| procto | mistral? I'm on an n800 | 02:39 |
| procto | shouldn't that be bora? | 02:39 |
| milhouse | nah | 02:39 |
| procto | I can add that in the application manager, right? | 02:39 |
| milhouse | well maybe, try bora | 02:40 |
| milhouse | it seems to be present in both | 02:40 |
| milhouse | yes, add it in app manager | 02:40 |
| rebroad | procto, install gainroot | 02:40 |
| procto | installed becomeroot | 02:42 |
| procto | and now I can sudo gainroot | 02:42 |
| procto | woo | 02:42 |
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| milhouse | cool... apt-get install ssh | 02:42 |
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| rebroad | can anyone please tell me how to check battery level from the command line please? | 02:43 |
| procto | this is from my n800! | 02:43 |
| milhouse | might not be possible... dbus perhaps? | 02:43 |
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| zakx | rebroad: see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009816.html | 02:47 |
| zakx | there seems to be no real posibility | 02:47 |
| rebroad | is the source code for the battery applet available anywhere please, zakx? | 02:50 |
| milhouse | a lot of the power management stuff is closed | 02:52 |
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| zakx | rebroad: as far as i know it's part of the closed nokia stuff | 02:54 |
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| CtrlR | Does anyone know if it is possible to play You Tube videos and the like on the 770? | 03:03 |
| milhouse | not using the built in Flash, but you could try UKTUBE + mplayer | 03:04 |
| milhouse | UKTUBE downloads the FLV which can then be played in mplayer. | 03:04 |
| CtrlR | OK, I'll look into that thanks. | 03:05 |
| rebroad | thanks for your answers milhouse and zakx | 03:05 |
| milhouse | np | 03:05 |
| rebroad | last question: anyone know where i can get a samba server for the n800 please? | 03:05 |
| milhouse | server? | 03:06 |
| rebroad | yup | 03:06 |
| milhouse | Try here http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 03:06 |
| Radar | I read a threadd about that on ITT today | 03:06 |
| milhouse | not sure if it's a samba server or client... | 03:06 |
| alterego | Well, I just tested Ruby-Maemo on a device. | 03:07 |
| alterego | Startup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D | 03:07 |
| rebroad | milhouse. i didn't see any mention of samba server on that url... | 03:08 |
| rebroad | (on the webpage the url pointed to) | 03:08 |
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| milhouse | reborad: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus | 03:09 |
| milhouse | see where it mentions ZIP files and additional modules? | 03:09 |
| milhouse | pptp, nfs, cifs, fuse etc.? | 03:09 |
| milhouse | there _may_ be samba in there | 03:09 |
| rebroad | ah. i see. thanks. | 03:10 |
| milhouse | don't know if it's what you're looking for, but this wiki page may also be useful to you: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS | 03:13 |
| milhouse | right i'm off... night all | 03:14 |
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| rebroad | goodnight milhouse. and thanks | 03:16 |
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| CtrlR | Uktube worked great! Thanks | 03:35 |
| CtrlR | Bye | 03:36 |
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| anculz | http://rectum.antiville.fr/ | 04:31 |
| anculz | http://rectum.antiville.fr/ | 04:31 |
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| Rocketman | So, how is everyone liking the new browser? | 05:24 |
| pupnik_ | why do these people want a samba server on their nokia | 05:27 |
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| Rocketman | Probably to make for easier syncing over wifi with a PC | 05:28 |
| pupnik_ | if they're using winblows why not just enable the share there and use a samba client on the nokia? | 05:28 |
| Rocketman | To me, it makes sense to have the share running from the tablet | 05:29 |
| Rocketman | the idea being that they would map the share as a network drive on the PC side | 05:29 |
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| Rocketman | and it would allow for easy dragging and dropping of media files and the like | 05:30 |
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| pupnik_ | I see | 05:30 |
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| pupnik_ | It's not easy for me to think like a microsoftian | 05:30 |
| pupnik_ | thanks | 05:31 |
| pupnik_ | makes it easier to transfer to a variety of windows boxes as well | 05:32 |
| Rocketman | Well, most NIT users are probably running windows | 05:32 |
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| Rocketman | I think including samba and an easy to use GUI for it on the NIT side would make a lot of sense | 05:35 |
| Rocketman | would make things a lot easier for the casual user | 05:35 |
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| Rocketman | I hate plugging in my USB cable or removing my SD cards when I want to plop some podcasts or something on my N800. I guess I could run rsync or something, but I am too damn lazy | 05:36 |
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| pupnik_ | Rocketman: i think a samba client and browser would have made sense as part of the stock OS | 05:58 |
| Rocketman | Yeah, I think so too | 05:59 |
| Rocketman | I can understand them not wanting to support too broad a set of applications | 05:59 |
| Rocketman | but basic file sharing would have been nice | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | yeah problem is that samba client or server are bloated pigs | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | many many megabytes | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | maybe an older version would be smaller | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | then you'd have people whining about LDAP support | 06:01 |
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| rwhitby | pupnik_: I just use scp over wireless to transfer files | 06:46 |
| pupnik_ | me too | 06:46 |
| rwhitby | Rocketman should too then :-) | 06:46 |
| pupnik_ | rwhitby: btw scp -c blowfish is supposedly a faster encryption | 06:46 |
| pupnik_ | rwhitby: n800 or n770? | 06:47 |
| rwhitby | yeah, especially with dropbear at the other end | 06:47 |
| rwhitby | n800 | 06:47 |
| pupnik_ | ok. i get strange drops in speed with scp. starts out fast then goes down to <100kb/s, then goes back up to 300kb/s | 06:47 |
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| rwhitby | could possibly be waiting for the entropy generator | 06:48 |
| rwhitby | we had a problem on the nslu2 early on where the entropy generator ran out of random numbers and halted any ssh traffic | 06:48 |
| pupnik_ | what is nslu2? | 06:48 |
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| rwhitby | ~google nslu2 | 06:49 |
| pupnik_ | oh a linksys | 06:49 |
| pupnik_ | yeah sorry | 06:49 |
| rwhitby | did you get our project as the first link, above the product links? (www.nslu2-linux.org) | 06:49 |
| pupnik_ | yeas | 06:50 |
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| timeless | sir: the nokia 770 doesn't have an n in its name | 06:51 |
| timeless | rhitby: heh (re entropy collector) | 06:52 |
| pupnik_ | looks like an interesting device | 06:52 |
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| timeless | cool, sshfs | 07:11 |
| timeless | oops | 07:11 |
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| milhouse | timeless: does that make it a "okia 770" then? | 07:46 |
| milhouse | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6904175.stm - and I thought Gecko glue exploited Maemo power | 07:49 |
| cesman | :) | 07:51 |
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| milhouse | Mozilla Foundation needs a Geckel project | 07:52 |
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| colinl | hi there! | 09:26 |
| colinl | is there any helper function in libosso or something else, to know whether /media/mmc* are mounted or not? or do I have to do the full gnome_vfs thing? | 09:26 |
| timeless | i suspect there's a message indicating it's mounted | 09:29 |
| timeless | definitely not in libosso | 09:32 |
| timeless | can you use libhildonfm? :) | 09:33 |
| timeless | libhildonfm looks like what you want | 09:34 |
| timeless | _HildonFileSystemSpecialLocationClass | 09:35 |
| timeless | is the internal name | 09:35 |
| timeless | figuring out the external name is left as an exercise (the callback is volumes_changed | 09:35 |
| timeless | hrm, hildon is supposedly in gnome, right? | 09:36 |
| timeless | heh | 09:37 |
| pupnik_ | colinl: how about a sys call? | 09:39 |
| pupnik_ | checking output of mount, for e.g. | 09:39 |
| colinl | timeless: thanks :) | 09:40 |
| colinl | pupnik_: it has the disadvantage of requiring a polling instead of having nice signalling :) | 09:40 |
| pupnik_ | ah thanks | 09:40 |
| timeless | colinl: eventually there should be a public cross reference | 09:41 |
| timeless | i'm just taking advantage of my internal cross reference | 09:41 |
| colinl | :) | 09:41 |
| timeless | i'm supposed to be given the keys for lxr.maemo.org | 09:41 |
| timeless | so at some point you'll /probably/ get the same features | 09:41 |
| timeless | except for a minor problem... | 09:41 |
| colinl | nice to know :) | 09:41 |
| timeless | hildon is hosted by gnome these days | 09:42 |
| timeless | and the maemo people are banking on not having to manage their sources too | 09:42 |
| timeless | which is of course stupid since it means you don't get good cross links for any hildon based code, i.e. most of it | 09:42 |
| colinl | yeah... But the maemo people get less work ;-) | 09:43 |
| timeless | not work, the work is trivial and i'll do it | 09:43 |
| timeless | they're only saving disk space | 09:43 |
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| pupnik_ | latest new hampshire poll has RP in the lead of the 2nd tier - ahead of Huckabee, Brownback, Hunter, Gilmore, Thompson | 09:52 |
| pupnik_ | oops | 09:53 |
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| TimRiker | I have a bluetooth pda/phone and I can't get my n800 to use it as a modem. It seems it only wants to talk to "phones" and not pdas/laptops/etc even if they can offer a bluetooth modem connection. ideas? | 09:59 |
| timeless | timriker: there's a wiki or two near maemo.org | 10:01 |
| timeless | i'd search their to see what bluetooth profiles can be made to work | 10:01 |
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| TimRiker | timeless: :) that's where I'm searching now. :) | 10:03 |
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| Komarov | anyone tried to program in Python to use bluez? | 10:28 |
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| Komarov | I'm trying to use dbus in Python but doesn't work | 10:28 |
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| dpb_ | ugh.. the garage svn viewer is sucky.. why are the fonts on visited links different size than not visited links? ;/ | 10:41 |
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| blkhawk[work] | lo | 10:46 |
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| blkhawk[work] | where can i get the kernel sources and patches from to compile a kernel and modules myself? | 10:55 |
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| geaaru | hi at all! com.nokia.mediaplayer dbus service manage instrospect request? | 11:00 |
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| evadnee | hello :) | 11:00 |
| evadnee | how can i watch youtube videos on my nokia? | 11:01 |
| geaaru | and what is interfaces and method of com.nokia.mediaplayer service? | 11:01 |
| evadnee | ? | 11:02 |
| evadnee | (rephrase) why can't i watch youtube/flash videos on my nokia internet tablet? | 11:03 |
| X-Fade | evadnee: You might want to look at Uktube. | 11:05 |
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| blkhawk[work] | anybody know what exactly needs patching in initfs to allow booting from the 2nd partition of a mm card? | 11:07 |
| X-Fade | evadnee: konttori made an application for viewing youtube videos.. | 11:07 |
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| evadnee | X-Fade: oo what is it? | 11:09 |
| dpb_ | Is quilt and bc in some maemo repositories? | 11:09 |
| dpb_ | The mozilla browser has them on build depends and apt doesn't find them.. | 11:10 |
| dpb_ | timeless? know about those? | 11:11 |
| evadnee | is there a video player for the NIT that plays flv or rm files? | 11:12 |
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| evadnee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnu94Cw59A this guy can do it? | 11:14 |
| guardian | does the n800 have the same screen physical dimension as the 770 ? i would like to find a screen protection film model that works on both | 11:29 |
| pupnik_ | i think so | 11:31 |
| Radar | yes, same screen | 11:31 |
| pupnik_ | evadnee: uktube and mplayer will handle most formats | 11:32 |
| pupnik_ | (taken together) | 11:32 |
| Radar | yeah, uktube saves the flv from youtube then opens it in mplayer | 11:33 |
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| jani | anyone tried to new browser allready ? | 11:34 |
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| blkhawk[work] | flv is just a mp4 file - so mplayer can play it fine | 11:42 |
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| db48x | dpb_: I had to get them from a debian repository | 11:45 |
| Ceg | can someone help me with installing minimo i have the main minimo file but its asking for the runtime files and i can't get them to install :| | 11:47 |
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| dpb_ | db48x: yeah, it shouldn't be like that imo :) | 11:53 |
| db48x | well | 11:53 |
| db48x | those two will pull in a number of other packages | 11:53 |
| db48x | and if they maintain a separate copy in their repository, it'll just add overhead with little actual benefit | 11:54 |
| db48x | oh, also | 11:54 |
| db48x | installing those will probably cause apt to remove a number of important packages | 11:54 |
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| db48x | what I did was to allow the install to proceed, then edit /var/cache/dpkg/status so that the libc6-dev package didn't list libdb1-dev as a conflict | 11:55 |
| db48x | then I could reinstall the packages that had been removed | 11:56 |
| Ceg | so i guess its not that simple to install minimo then :| | 11:57 |
| Ceg | ? | 11:57 |
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| db48x | Ceg: dunno, perhaps nobody else here as attempted it | 11:57 |
| guardian | thx radar | 11:58 |
| Ceg | oh | 11:58 |
| guardian | also, is there a way to log into the device using ssh, then export display to another host, and relaunch hildon ? | 11:58 |
| Ceg | wat is it will the internal web broswer when i look a website etc.. and after so long it just close by itself for no reason anyone know y? | 11:59 |
| db48x | you might go to #minimo on irc.mozilla.org and see if anyone there has installed minimo on an n800 before | 12:02 |
| db48x | though there may not be anyone there at this time of night | 12:02 |
| Ceg | no | 12:03 |
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| Ceg | i meant for a 770 | 12:03 |
| Ceg | lol | 12:03 |
| db48x | well, either one | 12:03 |
| Radar | I have minimo on my n800 | 12:03 |
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| dpb_ | there's a minimo project in garage | 12:03 |
| Ceg | is it as simple as just install it and use it ? | 12:04 |
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| Radar | yeah, I just went there, clicked the download, installed no problem | 12:04 |
| Ceg | its like i've already got the main minimo file but its asking for like libc6 etc... and thats the problem am only having with it atm | 12:05 |
| Radar | and now with microb I never use it, heh | 12:05 |
| dpb_ | maemo.org -> downloads -> keyword: minimo | 12:05 |
| dpb_ | oh | 12:05 |
| Ceg | yeah | 12:05 |
| Ceg | lol | 12:05 |
| dpb_ | db48x: you installed the _binary_ packages from debian repo? | 12:07 |
| Ceg | it says problem with installing libxt6, libice6 and libsm6 is missing | 12:08 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:10 |
| Ceg | dpb_ i've tryed it the way u said todo it but it only opens my app manager up and says updating and nothing else apart from that | 12:11 |
| Radar | check tools > log in app manager to see what it's doing | 12:12 |
| Ceg | can i do that on a 770 | 12:12 |
| Ceg | well if u mean can i see anything to do with the minimo then its a no | 12:14 |
| timeless | blkhawk: the nokia os update gateway has a sibling page that offers sources | 12:16 |
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| Ceg | i've got the main minimo installf file minimo_16.8-2_armel but its asking for the libice6, libsm6, libxt6 and xlib anyone know where i can find them i have the lastest os 2006 | 12:17 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:20 |
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| evadnee | the 800 has youtube support with the new update does the 770 have it too? | 12:21 |
| timeless | dpb: yeah, what db48x said sorry :) | 12:22 |
| Radar | doubtful unless you use the it2007 hacker edition | 12:22 |
| evadnee | what? | 12:23 |
| Radar | nokia pretty much ignores the 770 now | 12:23 |
| evadnee | oh i see | 12:24 |
| evadnee | whats this hacker edition you speak of? | 12:24 |
| evadnee | i just want to play shockwave/youtube videos on his thing because 770>iphone | 12:24 |
| Radar | I don't know much about it other than it exists | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png <<< My dream successor to the N800 | 12:25 |
| Radar | maybe check the 770 forum at www.internettablettalk.com? | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | i play youtubes with mplayer on the 770 | 12:26 |
| dpb_ | timeless: you know if there's any plans to include them in maemo repos? | 12:26 |
| dpb_ | not really developer friendly when I gotta go get the debian sources and build the packages myself.. | 12:26 |
| Radar | pupnik_: I think they'd use the nokia logo instead of yours :) | 12:26 |
| Enyo | is anyone in here at GUADEC? | 12:28 |
| timeless | guardian: sure | 12:28 |
| evadnee | exit | 12:28 |
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| db48x | dpb_: yea | 12:29 |
| guardian | timeless: will you tell me how this time ? :) | 12:29 |
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| dpb_ | db48x: getting and building from the source packages seems easier. I had no conflicts. | 12:31 |
| timeless | guardian: DISPLAY=:0 af-sb-init.sh stop | 12:32 |
| timeless | guardian: af-sb-init.sh start | 12:32 |
| timeless | from your ssh session | 12:32 |
| guardian | there is no af-sb-init.sh on the device | 12:32 |
| timeless | hrm | 12:32 |
| timeless | # Script for starting Maemo environment in Scratchbox. | 12:33 |
| db48x | dpb_: I suspect it may have more to do with which debian version you're grabbing them from | 12:33 |
| Ceg | anyone know of any good media server for windows to work on the 770 / | 12:34 |
| Ceg | ? | 12:34 |
| guardian | Ceg: windows media player 11 serves media | 12:34 |
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| Ceg | but does it like transcode etc.. to work fine on it tho ? | 12:35 |
| dpb_ | oh yeah, well, I grabbed them from sarge, safest.. | 12:35 |
| guardian | Ceg: or you might try TVersity media player in case you don't have a genuine windows :D | 12:35 |
| guardian | TVersity media server i mean | 12:35 |
| guardian | maybe it even does transcode | 12:35 |
| timeless | hrm | 12:35 |
| timeless | maybe not | 12:35 |
| Ceg | lol plus TVersity does i know that but only if i could get the damn thing to work | 12:35 |
| timeless | guardian: so... | 12:35 |
| guardian | timeless: i tried to stop xserver but the device rebooted | 12:35 |
| timeless | the device will reboot if you stop a bunch of key processes | 12:36 |
| timeless | so it's not a good idea to do that :) | 12:36 |
| timeless | i think you should probably just try creating a second user account on the device | 12:36 |
| timeless | and using af-sb-init.sh as that user from an ssh session | 12:36 |
| guardian | so you suggest i copy af-sb-init.sh to the device ? | 12:37 |
| db48x | hrm | 12:37 |
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| timeless | osso-af-sb-startup is the package | 12:37 |
| db48x | why does scratchbox use 'armel' as the architecture name, while everyone else uses 'arm' | 12:38 |
| timeless | it's a fairly simple package, i'm sure it's available for arm and x86, so yeah, just install it | 12:38 |
| timeless | db4x: armel!=arm | 12:38 |
| timeless | arm is the old arm architecture | 12:38 |
| timeless | armel is the new architecture | 12:38 |
| alterego | armel is new | 12:38 |
| timeless | arm was BE, armel is LE | 12:38 |
| db48x | I thought as much | 12:38 |
| timeless | among a bunch of other details | 12:38 |
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| timeless | but changing BE/LE is pretty major :) | 12:38 |
| db48x | yea | 12:39 |
| alterego | Major enough yes :D | 12:39 |
| timeless | e.g. spidermonkey doesn't approve when you get it wrong | 12:39 |
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| lardman | timeless: arm was le too | 12:39 |
| alterego | I've been using Qemu. It seems to work pretty well. | 12:39 |
| alterego | If a little slow. | 12:39 |
| timeless | lardman: um | 12:39 |
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| pupnik_ | Radar: if the n900 (or whatever) doesn't have right hand side buttons and a decent dpad, i'm going to look at manufacturing a cradle for it. | 12:39 |
| alterego | Meh, I don't want it to have any more buttons. :( | 12:40 |
| pupnik_ | buy an iphone. you need de buttons for gaming | 12:40 |
| alterego | N800 isn't meant for gaming. | 12:40 |
| lardman | timeless: fpa floating point numbers were stored BE even on LE systems, with the move to VFP the floating point numbers are stored with the same endianness | 12:41 |
| timeless | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-November/006141.html | 12:41 |
| pupnik_ | alterego: http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png if it had these, it'd sellll morrrre | 12:41 |
| alterego | Rubbish. You don't know that pupnik_ | 12:41 |
| timeless | lardman: hrm, | 12:41 |
| lardman | timeless: Yes, there are lots of ways to store numbers, but arm on the Nokia was LE, as was it on the Zaurus, etc. | 12:42 |
| alterego | I've played tetris a bit on it but I'm not using it for games and I doubt I will ever use it for games. | 12:42 |
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| timeless | lardman: ok, i'll sit corrected | 12:42 |
| Radar | I'd rather have a slide out keyboard | 12:42 |
| timeless | i'd rather have a poney | 12:43 |
| timeless | or pony | 12:43 |
| timeless | not really picky | 12:43 |
| lardman | timeless: I think LE was the way people wrote the code to begin with, that thread is about someone wanting to try BE. I think anyway | 12:43 |
| alterego | Yeah, that would be neat. I don't like the lack of screen estate whilst using the onscreen boards. | 12:43 |
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| alterego | I'd like the PowerVR chip to work. | 12:43 |
| pupnik_ | What do you think sales figures on the Tablets are? Sales figures for the Nintendo DS portable were 485,000 units in *February*. Sales figures for the PSP were 176,000 for the sony PS2 in the same MONTH. | 12:43 |
| lardman | alterego: Have you looked at the SDK? | 12:44 |
| alterego | pupnik_, both those devices are way off what the internet tablets are. They're two completely different markets that Nokia has tried and failed to interfere with. | 12:44 |
| pupnik_ | Would Nokia be smart to release *another* tablet that's "crippled by design" for gaming? | 12:44 |
| guardian | buy a psp | 12:45 |
| timeless | pupnik: don't accuse nokia of being smart | 12:45 |
| alterego | "crippled by design" aye? | 12:45 |
| pupnik_ | Not at all. The same people want both functions. | 12:45 |
| guardian | case closed | 12:45 |
| alterego | Be more imaginative. | 12:45 |
| guardian | or buy a ds | 12:45 |
| alterego | You wont both versions. | 12:45 |
| guardian | works as well | 12:45 |
| timeless | this channel is about maemo | 12:45 |
| guardian | and if you really love nokia | 12:45 |
| guardian | find a ngage on ebay | 12:45 |
| alterego | Yes, I'm sure sony and nintendo will do a better job than nokia for games. | 12:45 |
| timeless | heh | 12:45 |
| guardian | you're welcome =) | 12:45 |
| alterego | For starters where are all the games for the internet tablet pupnik_ ? | 12:45 |
| alterego | Who's going to write all these games? | 12:46 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de of course :P | 12:46 |
| pupnik_ | and b, have you heard of emulators? | 12:46 |
| alterego | Maybe you should develop your own platform then :P | 12:46 |
| alterego | pupnik_, pointless | 12:46 |
| blkhawk[work] | nice | 12:46 |
| blkhawk[work] | got my root on mmc working | 12:46 |
| alterego | You want to emulate another device? | 12:46 |
| alterego | -_- | 12:47 |
| alterego | This conversation is getting more and more pointless :P | 12:47 |
| timeless | alterego: flash games! | 12:47 |
| alterego | WOO! | 12:47 |
| timeless | so you can have a battery life of 1-2 hours :) | 12:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:47 |
| timeless | unlike my gameboy which lasts for days | 12:47 |
| timeless | and is from what, 1988 | 12:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:47 |
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| inz | Isn't Sega like part of Nokia, we want Sonic on 770/N800! | 12:48 |
| alterego | In short, if Nokia were to add gay-ming buttons to the internet tablets they would lose a lot of potential business users. | 12:48 |
| timeless | Nokia - Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile ... | 12:48 |
| timeless | Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile interactive gaming. | 12:48 |
| timeless | press.nokia.com/PR/200211/880103_5.html - | 12:48 |
| alterego | Me too. There'd be no way I'd continue if they bought out a PSP. | 12:48 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I actually have work to do :D | 12:49 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely. | 12:49 |
| inz | timeless, yeah, I remembered wrongly, they didn't by the whole thing, just "stuff" | 12:49 |
| blkhawk[work] | it seems much faster - and I havent even got a better kernel yet | 12:49 |
| pupnik_ | the 3430 will be powerful enough to emulate most 8-bit consoles and run most 2D sdl games. With the DynRec CPU on dosbox it should also emulate a 386 PC. | 12:50 |
| __Nikos__ | I use a static ip on n800, i can connect to the internet but i cannot ping the device. Ping works fine when i get an ip automatically | 12:51 |
| pupnik_ | With cyclone core, full-speed amiga and atari 68k will be possible. | 12:51 |
| pupnik_ | *8-16 bit consoles | 12:51 |
| alterego | Sounds really boring. | 12:52 |
| blkhawk[work] | Amiga isn't boring | 12:53 |
| blkhawk[work] | plus zelda is cool - and smb3 isn't half bad either | 12:53 |
| pupnik_ | There are a lot of PSP and DS owners who are buying them for the hacked emulation | 12:53 |
| pupnik_ | yep | 12:53 |
| Radar | who needs those? where have solitaire! | 12:54 |
| timeless | where? | 12:54 |
| blkhawk[work] | I should write a guide on how to make MMC bootable with just a linuxpc | 12:54 |
| * timeless thinks we don't have a grammar checker | 12:54 | |
| Radar | s/where/we | 12:54 |
| blkhawk[work] | the guides in the wiki are too OS version specific | 12:54 |
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| blkhawk[work] | is ext3 or ext2 better as FS on the mmc? | 12:55 |
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| __Nikos__ | is there a firewall on n800? | 13:00 |
| blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: no | 13:00 |
| blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: and it usually should answer to pings | 13:00 |
| __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]: when i get an ip automatically ping, ssh etc works fine. When i use a static ip i can connect on the internet but i cannot ping | 13:01 |
| blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: maybe the script that sets the ip is faulty | 13:03 |
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| blkhawk[work] | do you have root? | 13:04 |
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| __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: yes i have root and i set the ip from Control panel-> connectivity | 13:05 |
| __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: from the device i can ping other pcs not the opposite though | 13:05 |
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| blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: i suggest you try to see what ifconfig can tell you when you are running with DHCP and when you arent | 13:07 |
| * blkhawk[work] has his own problem atm | 13:08 | |
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| __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: I've already made o quick check on that but i'll try again thanks | 13:09 |
| blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: I might try to replicate your problem with os2005 once I reboot my device | 13:11 |
| __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: Ok thanks a lot! | 13:12 |
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| * timeless tries to remember how precisely to pass -uwp to svn diff | 13:15 | |
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| timeless | arg | 13:16 |
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| timeless | what names does gnudiff have? | 13:17 |
| blkhawk[work] | any idea why some packages comlain that they are already installed? | 13:19 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: just had a bit of a moan on #1695, I'm afraid ;-) | 13:20 |
| timeless | jaffa: i don't know what to do | 13:21 |
| timeless | if you guys stick it in n800:browser, it's valid | 13:21 |
| timeless | if i move it there, some idiot will file it against in n800:browser (mozilla engine) | 13:21 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: It's generally the responsibility of the people who know the structure of the internal projects to move bugs to the right place. | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | timeless: when that happens they can get a good slapdown and it closed as DUPLICATE. | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | timeless: you happy for me to try & reopen it and assign it to n800:browser? | 13:22 |
| timeless | jaffa: it's generally the tendency of reporters to only search for bugs in the one place they expect the bug to be in | 13:22 |
| timeless | be my guest | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | timeless: really? I always search everything, cos I know how crap people are at categorising. But then I'm a neat freak who knows users are crap ;-) | 13:23 |
| timeless | but i expect you to do the slapping when it gets filed in mozilla engine the next time | 13:23 |
| timeless | jaffa: look at the bug | 13:23 |
| timeless | they're clear about wanting to file it in mozilla engine | 13:23 |
| timeless | " Since this is the only mozilla related | 13:23 |
| timeless | category it's rather hard to file enhancement requests against other | 13:23 |
| timeless | applications. " | 13:23 |
| timeless | they were not going to look in n800:browser | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I'll happily slap people. Especially when I'm in a bad mood/feeling ill like today. | 13:24 |
| timeless | anyway, be my guest | 13:24 |
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| timeless | note that the reason enhancement isn't removed is because it's a global property of bugzilla | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | ta - I think everyone's still just happy to have an open source, Mozilla-based browser engine. | 13:25 |
| timeless | these are not happy people | 13:25 |
| timeless | they're end users | 13:25 |
| blkhawk[work] | do normal arm binarys run on OS2005? | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I hope you're not suggesting you *don't* want enhancement requests tracked in Bugzilla ;-) | 13:25 |
| timeless | and they should go take a leap into an ice berg and come back when it melts | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | blkhawk[work]: generally, yes. | 13:25 |
| blkhawk[work] | Jaffa: i want t o get dropbar on here | 13:25 |
| timeless | jaffa: at the moment? if you're not putting up code? that's right | 13:25 |
| blkhawk[work] | dropbear | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | timeless: tsk, you developer you ;-) | 13:26 |
| timeless | if you post a bug and a patch for microb, that's fine | 13:26 |
| timeless | jaffa: the release is clearly labeled for developers only | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | blkhawk[work]: dropbear had been cross-compiled anyway. | 13:26 |
| timeless | not for end users | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | timeless: absolutely. | 13:26 |
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| blkhawk[work] | Jaffa: ya but the file is gone | 13:26 |
| timeless | and i'll gladly buy you meals occasionally for slappings you give | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | blkhawk[work]: doh. | 13:26 |
| blkhawk[work] | its only for os2006 now | 13:26 |
| blkhawk[work] | oh - is ext3 a better choice as FS on an SDcard? | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | timeless: There've already been some users slapped down on ITT for saying "oh, it's so buggy I've gone back to Opera" and not a) raising bug reports, b) expecting better of a pre-reelease | 13:27 |
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| timeless | jaffa: actually, there's one other guy i need help w/ | 13:29 |
| timeless | he posted a reply to my garage news item | 13:30 |
| timeless | and i really don't want to deal with him directly | 13:30 |
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| timeless | oh, jaffa, one note | 13:49 |
| timeless | by default bugzilla won't reassign when you reopen and change compoennt | 13:49 |
| timeless | so you should go back to the bug and select (*) Reassign to default | 13:49 |
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| pupnik_ | cool... can record maemo sessions with this? xnee - Xnee can be used to record and replay an X-session | 13:52 |
| inz | pupnik, that is no video capture or anything, but "event recording" | 13:59 |
| inz | pupnik, think macros | 13:59 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 13:59 |
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| pupnik_ | i wish i hadn't read about the OMAP 3430. I want an IT with it so bad now. | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | timeless: done. | 14:04 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: thanks for that. I'll look for the garage item. | 14:05 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: which one do you want dealing with? Java applets? The bug reports in the comment? Problems with the app mgr or something else? | 14:06 |
| VladDrac | nice.. just got my 770, delivered within a day, from france even :) | 14:07 |
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| VladDrac | time to rtfm now, it appears not to support wpa2 ootb | 14:10 |
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| Mikho | Is there an utility I could use to find out if my maemo program is leaking resources? | 14:16 |
| theril | Mikho: valgrind? | 14:16 |
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| Mikho | Ok, I'll check it out, thanks | 14:19 |
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| i-nZ | Hey. Where can I get libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2) or libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) (required by pidgin) ? | 14:24 |
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| pupnik_ | latest i see is Filename: ./pool/bora/free/binary/libgcrypt11_1.2.0-11.1osso_armel.deb | 14:33 |
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| db48x | bah | 14:44 |
| sciboy | Indeed | 14:44 |
| db48x | compiling a deb shouldn't fail just because it failed to convert the TeX documents to html | 14:44 |
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| sciboy | Flashing a 770 with the latest firmware doesn't rely on the rs-mmc card ey? So I could get a 2GB rs-mmc, and upgrade it to 2007HE which will support it? | 14:49 |
| timeless | jaffa: hold | 14:49 |
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| timeless | oh man | 14:50 |
| timeless | there are 7 comments now | 14:50 |
| timeless | there were only 2 when i lookoed last | 14:50 |
| * timeless kicks gforge | 14:50 | |
| timeless | jaffa: :(, well re 2006 it'd be nice to point out that we don't even support 3.2007 (or 2.2007, or the original os 2007 for that matter) | 14:52 |
| timeless | jaffa: the comment i need dealt w/ is izrael boss | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | Thought it might be. | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | Let me get some lunch and I'll go on a commenting spree. | 14:55 |
| timeless | the application manager bit i've sent along to the app manager guy since he wanted feedback :) | 14:55 |
| timeless | sure | 14:55 |
| timeless | if you comment on app manager, there's a log in app manager and the user should at least look at it | 14:55 |
| timeless | app manager has a component (or more) in bugs.maemo and problems should be reported there, logs added as attachments after filing reports | 14:55 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Time for the first package me thinks. | 14:56 |
| Jaffa | timeless: indeed. | 14:56 |
| * timeless sighs | 14:57 | |
| timeless | gforge "threading" is such a mess | 14:57 |
| timeless | don thompson made a link for java | 14:57 |
| timeless | i'd leave it alone | 14:57 |
| timeless | darn | 14:59 |
| timeless | my text indexer doesn't speak russian | 14:59 |
| timeless | ok, but it's still easy enough for me to search the file once i'm there, good. | 15:00 |
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| sciboy | Does the browser support audio at all or would I have to work something out with the flash player? | 15:06 |
| timeless | sciboy: not sure what you mean | 15:07 |
| timeless | in theory it has nsISound | 15:07 |
| timeless | so if you have UniversalXPConnect, you could probably play a beep | 15:07 |
| timeless | otherwise, most normal people use flash :) | 15:07 |
| timeless | it doesn't have support for <bgsound> or anything like that | 15:08 |
| sciboy | Bummer. =P | 15:08 |
| timeless | and normal media is handled by this evil plugin which just launches media player | 15:08 |
| timeless | that's unchanged from opera | 15:08 |
| timeless | and is per ui spec | 15:08 |
| timeless | don't worry, the ui spec will never be published | 15:08 |
| timeless | you don't want to read it | 15:08 |
| sciboy | I know I don't, I just want to work on a graphical web game, oh which reminds me, it at least supports svg? | 15:09 |
| sciboy | Although depending on the rendering performance I might have to go for good ol' raster. | 15:10 |
| timeless | no | 15:10 |
| timeless | we explicitly list that as missing in the browser whitepaper | 15:10 |
| sciboy | Bummer #2 | 15:10 |
| timeless | no xul support either | 15:10 |
| timeless | canvas should be there | 15:11 |
| timeless | for fun, you should try nsISound and see if it's useful | 15:11 |
| sciboy | I think I can work around gif animations and static images. | 15:11 |
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| timeless | if you can make nsISound play enough sounds that you're happy w/ it, then i can explain how you'd deal w/ making it work in a system | 15:11 |
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| sciboy | Probably not to be honest, funneling it into flash or if I'm feeling up to it, a small python/pygame daemon would be the safest bet. | 15:12 |
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| sciboy | Actually... I don't think I've seen anyone do that... I could offer sound support as an offline feature. I will try to avoid Flash if I can. | 15:14 |
| _abc_ | hello | 15:15 |
| _Monkey | salut, _abc_ | 15:15 |
| _abc_ | salut ? .ro ? | 15:15 |
| _abc_ | _Monkey: | 15:15 |
| _Monkey | _abc_: what? | 15:15 |
| sciboy | I'm just surprised that svg support and tools didn't develop quicker. | 15:15 |
| _abc_ | salut is in French or Romanian. Which ? | 15:15 |
| _abc_ | _Monkey: never mind | 15:15 |
| _Monkey | _abc_: sorry... | 15:15 |
| _abc_ | anyway I have a prob that is off topic, but there are experts here so .. | 15:16 |
| _abc_ | gnokii config with dku5 cable and nk3120 | 15:16 |
| _abc_ | any1 know a config that works ? | 15:16 |
| _abc_ | the cable is new. I suspect it is bad | 15:16 |
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| _abc_ | but before I take it back I want to try a few things | 15:17 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, rollercoaster gets about 2fps | 15:19 |
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| sciboy | Does Maemopad+ has the ability to export images? | 15:22 |
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| onion_ | anyone know is the warranty 2 years for the 770 ? | 15:29 |
| timeless | sp3000: 2fps eh, not too bad, didn't flash have worse performance when it first shipped? :) | 15:34 |
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| pupnik_ | dunno... btw there are standalong flash players (gash?) that might be interesting | 15:44 |
| timeless | to whom? | 15:48 |
| timeless | nokia pays for flash | 15:48 |
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| pupnik_ | they could end up being faster than adobe/opera | 15:49 |
| sciboy | I'm actually quite surprised with the progress they've made with gash. | 15:49 |
| guardian | duh, i thought there was a g_strcmp func | 15:49 |
| timeless | pupnik: what does opera have to do with flash? | 15:50 |
| sciboy | It still doesn't hold up to most basic apps, but still they've come a lot further than anyone else. | 15:50 |
| pupnik_ | what is the flash player on the 770 | 15:50 |
| timeless | flash7? | 15:50 |
| pupnik_ | macromedia-flashplayer - OSSO Macromedia Flashplayer | 15:51 |
| pupnik_ | ag | 15:51 |
| dpb_ | pupnik_, sciboy: it's gnash, not gash.. | 15:52 |
| sciboy | But gash is more impressive. | 15:52 |
| sciboy | =P | 15:52 |
| dpb_ | GASH, a type of virtual currency offered by the Asian online gaming portal Gamania. ? :P | 15:53 |
| timeless | About Macromedia Flash Player 7... | 15:54 |
| timeless | so says the .so anyway :) | 15:54 |
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| sciboy | As long as I have my youtube videos I don't really mind. =P | 15:55 |
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| timeless | on 770? forget it | 15:59 |
| timeless | for 770 you'll want an app that gets the mpeg4 that the iphone gets | 15:59 |
| pupnik_ | i play youtube videos on 770 all the time, using youtube-dl then mplayer | 15:59 |
| timeless | (heck, for n800 you want that too, but at least on n800 you can play youtube) | 15:59 |
| sciboy | Yeah, I was talking about the indirect route. =P | 16:00 |
| timeless | mplayer has its own support for flv? | 16:01 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 16:01 |
| timeless | does it support flash9 flv? | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know of dunno - whatever youtube uses | 16:04 |
| pupnik_ | if you have a test vid < 320h i can try it | 16:04 |
| timeless | i don't | 16:05 |
| pupnik_ | <340 i mean | 16:05 |
| pupnik_ | <240 argh | 16:05 |
| * timeless doesn't even know wha tthat means | 16:05 | |
| timeless | height? | 16:05 |
| pupnik_ | height | 16:06 |
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| schroeder | hi there | 16:11 |
| _Monkey | hey, schroeder | 16:11 |
| schroeder | i just have one (maybe) small question ;) | 16:11 |
| schroeder | sdl/sound on os2007 on a nokia n770 | 16:12 |
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| schroeder | i change the devive from dsp3 to dsp2 in alsaconf so that sdl works, but still no sound | 16:13 |
| pupnik_ | hi schroeder i have it working | 16:14 |
| schroeder | great, any hints for me? | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | i just followed the steps on the ITT forums :/ | 16:14 |
| schroeder | hmmm, i thing i did everythink there, gconf-tool etc. do you have a link? | 16:15 |
| pupnik_ | hm | 16:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | no way to find the place to change the browser engine on the menu... =/ | 16:17 |
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| X-Fade | MoRpHeUz: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1669#c2 | 16:19 |
| pupnik_ | http://pastebin.ca/626171 schroeder << there is my alsa.conf | 16:19 |
| pupnik_ | but i'm not sure that addresses your problem | 16:20 |
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| MoRpHeUz | X-Fade: but people at the maillist are talking about an option at the menu that switches... | 16:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | strange. | 16:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | =( | 16:20 |
| timeless | x-fade: so, we're still looking for information about the missing menu | 16:20 |
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| schroeder | thanks, i will just compare that | 16:20 |
| timeless | morpheuz: url? | 16:21 |
| timeless | i need gconf dupms | 16:21 |
| timeless | probably a ps list to indicate if gconfd is alive ? | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | MoRpHeUz: Well, after editing that file, the menu option is there.. | 16:21 |
| timeless | morpheuz: so.... | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | MoRpHeUz: Strange thing is that some people have this by default :) | 16:21 |
| timeless | we're really looking for an explanation of how you end up w/ not having it | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | X-Fade: exactly! | 16:22 |
| timeless | i talked w/ the engineers a bit more | 16:22 |
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| timeless | when microb installs, it sets a bit in gconf indicating there's a reason to consider the menu | 16:22 |
| pupnik_ | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=702&group_id=164&atid=681 << schroeder | 16:22 |
| pupnik_ | schroeder what sdl game is having problems? | 16:23 |
| schroeder | scummvm and marbles | 16:23 |
| schroeder | my alsa.conf looks alright | 16:23 |
| timeless | then the browser starts, if it sees that bit and doesn't have any hidden= line, then it'll set hidden=true | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Interesting.. | 16:24 |
| timeless | i think that if when it starts and doesn't have hidden= and doesn't see the gconf bit, it might mark it as false at exit | 16:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | timeless: hhmm...that should explain something like: people who install it while in red pill mode get this enabled... | 16:24 |
| timeless | still don't understand it | 16:24 |
| VladDrac | argh... the 2006 mailclient doesn't remember your default sorting? | 16:24 |
| timeless | morpheuz: eh? | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Can it be a race condition? | 16:24 |
| VladDrac | oh wait, it's just slow | 16:24 |
| timeless | x-fade: dunno | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | I am red pill btw.. | 16:24 |
| timeless | we've tried it both w/ browser running and quiting browser before finalizing install | 16:24 |
| timeless | most of our testers aren't using redpill | 16:25 |
| timeless | but um, i think i'm using redpill | 16:25 |
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| timeless | lemme check | 16:25 |
| timeless | yea | 16:25 |
| timeless | i like red pill as a candidate | 16:25 |
| timeless | sp3000: pin | 16:25 |
| timeless | g | 16:25 |
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| sp3000 | ? | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | yeah, red | 16:26 |
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| milhouse | MoRpHeUz: I got the menu and I don't use red-pill mode | 16:30 |
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| MoRpHeUz | milhouse: hhmm... | 16:31 |
| schroeder | Has anyone more a idea, why i don't have sound in sdl (scummvm, marbes) with os2007he on a n770? i applied all alsaconf stuff... | 16:32 |
| sp3000 | language? | 16:36 |
| * sp3000 throws around random variables | 16:36 | |
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| disq | morning (ugt) | 16:39 |
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| timeless | :( | 16:43 |
| Tu13es | hm | 16:43 |
| timeless | first attempt using red pill mode didn't work | 16:43 |
| Tu13es | best way to gain root access to my n800? | 16:43 |
| timeless | ssh root@127.1 | 16:43 |
| timeless | rootme | 16:43 |
| Tu13es | also, best way to ssh server using dropbear? | 16:43 |
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| Tu13es | er | 16:44 |
| timeless | morpheuz: ok, i'm going to try 2 more times w/ slight variations, but so far it looks like red pill isn't the explanation :( | 16:44 |
| Tu13es | is dropbear the best way to set up the n800 as a ssh server? | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | dunno, I use openssh | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | it's a bit tricky to install, though | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | so maybe dropbear is better | 16:45 |
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| Tu13es | hrm | 16:46 |
| MoRpHeUz | timeless: =) | 16:47 |
| Tu13es | does becomeroot work on n800/it2007? | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | it should | 16:47 |
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| mgedmin | btw there are two versions of becomeroot and they are different | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | one enables you to sudo su, the other enables you to sudo gainroot | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | (iirc) | 16:48 |
| disq | who needs becomeroot when theres ssh root@127.1 | 16:48 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 16:48 |
| lardman|afk | disq: less typing | 16:49 |
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| lardman | Tu13es: enable red pill mode & install openssh. dropbear doens't do sftp | 16:49 |
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| Tu13es | hm | 16:49 |
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| Tu13es | ssh root@127.1 gives me connection refused | 16:50 |
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| lardman | 127.0.0.1 | 16:51 |
| Tu13es | same deal | 16:51 |
| lardman | localhost? | 16:51 |
| sp3000 | did you install an ssh server? | 16:51 |
| Tu13es | i thought i installed dropbear | 16:52 |
| Tu13es | localhost fails too | 16:52 |
| Tu13es | ssh: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | there are separate packages for dropbear server and client | 16:52 |
| * sp3000 hasn't tried dropbeah | 16:52 | |
| mgedmin | do you have the server package installed? | 16:52 |
| * sp3000 likes to keep things simple | 16:52 | |
| * sp3000 is weird like that | 16:52 | |
| Tu13es | sp3000: use openssh? | 16:52 |
| * sp3000 does | 16:52 | |
| Tu13es | ah, my dropbear-server says it's broken | 16:53 |
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| Tu13es | should I just do that instead? | 16:56 |
| lardman | if it works as is then leave it be | 16:56 |
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| milhouse | why do i always read about people having problems with dropbear but never openssh... can someone delete dropbear, it's a support overhead ;) | 17:11 |
| inz | I've seen more the other way round | 17:11 |
| rwhitby | Does dropbear do agent forwarding properly yet? | 17:12 |
| milhouse | maybe it's selective memory on my part then :) | 17:12 |
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| mgedmin | my guess is that openssh is harder to install so users who manage to install it know how to fix problems themselves :) | 17:13 |
| milhouse | install xterm, install becomeroot, install open ssh (apt-get install ssh). job done. :) | 17:14 |
| db48x | what does dropbear do that openssh doesn't? | 17:14 |
| rwhitby | or with the gui, get into red pill mode, install ssh, done. | 17:14 |
| milhouse | nothing, dropbear does a lot _less_ than openssh | 17:14 |
| lardman | dropbear is a small install | 17:14 |
| rwhitby | dropbear is smaller and slower (at least on an NSLU2 it's slower than openssh) | 17:14 |
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| db48x | seems like a poor choice then | 17:15 |
| milhouse | anyone who wants ssh probably wants xterm and becomeroot/R&D mode as well though, no? | 17:15 |
| lardman | for us with 128MB(?) flash yes, for a Zaurus 5500 with 16MB total, not necessarily | 17:15 |
| rwhitby | One set of tests found OpenSSH on the NSLU2 to be 8x faster than dropbear at scp transfers - 800kB/s vs 100kB/s (using "scp -c blowfish" as this should be the least CPU-intensive cypher). | 17:15 |
| db48x | heh | 17:16 |
| milhouse | i used openssh on 770 (64MB) too but probably would go with dropbear on a device with less memory than 64MB | 17:16 |
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| i-nZ | horray for the mozilla based browser | 17:18 |
| i-nZ | that makes the n800 actually usable | 17:18 |
| i-nZ | :) | 17:18 |
| i-nZ | plus minimo was waaay to slow and dodgy | 17:18 |
| trevarthan | was someone looking for me earlier? My irssi session crapped out. | 17:19 |
| Tu13es | mm, dropbear was giving me more problems so i got rid of it and am installing openssh | 17:20 |
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| Tu13es | hm, so I think I've got it running (i can ssh into it from another machine) - how do I config it to start automatically? | 17:23 |
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| milhouse | Tu13es: already does that as part of the install | 17:24 |
| Tu13es | sweet | 17:24 |
| milhouse | should be in /etc/init.d/ssh {start|stop|reload|force-reload|restart} | 17:25 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 17:26 |
| Tu13es | cool | 17:26 |
| Tu13es | now to start fiddling with openvpn | 17:28 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: have you tried kagu lately? | 17:32 |
| trevarthan | It's much much improved from the version you downloaded a few weeks ago. | 17:32 |
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| geaaru | hi, is there a tutorial for nokia mediaplayer? (or informations about dbus mediaplayer service?) thanks in advance | 17:35 |
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| Tu13es | hmm | 17:38 |
| Tu13es | is OpenVPN the easiest way to set up a client on the n800 and a server elsewhere? | 17:39 |
| Tu13es | or Hamachi? or something else? | 17:39 |
| disq | there's always ssh port forwarding | 17:39 |
| Tu13es | hm | 17:40 |
| Tu13es | I just need to get around my school's wireless network crap | 17:40 |
| Tu13es | so that may work | 17:40 |
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| Tu13es | ah, nice, it does allow ssh | 17:42 |
| geoffeg | When I put the cover on my Nokia 770 it locks the keys, shuts off the screen and wireless radios. What's the equivalent on the N800 since it doesn't come with a hard cover? | 17:43 |
| pupnik | does anybody know if that mozilla-based browser will work on thne 770 IT2007HE? | 17:44 |
| Tu13es | geoffeg: Offline Mode then Lock Screen and Keys | 17:44 |
| geoffeg | Tu13es: So it's a bit more effort than the 770.. Two operations instead of one... | 17:44 |
| Tu13es | ye[ | 17:44 |
| Tu13es | yep | 17:44 |
| geoffeg | suck! | 17:44 |
| zakx | geoffeg: there is a shortcut for this | 17:44 |
| geoffeg | smash the n800 on the ground? :) | 17:45 |
| zakx | nah | 17:45 |
| zakx | there is a "soft poweroff" mode | 17:45 |
| zakx | you need to uncomment the section in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml | 17:45 |
| zakx | then reboot | 17:45 |
| trevarthan | is that like a sleep mode? | 17:46 |
| zakx | yep | 17:46 |
| trevarthan | i.e. acpi/apm? | 17:46 |
| geoffeg | zakx: how do i activate it once i've rebooted? | 17:46 |
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| zakx | geoffeg: it'll appear as an option in the power button menu | 17:46 |
| geoffeg | cool | 17:46 |
| Tu13es | how is that different than lock screen and keys? | 17:47 |
| trevarthan | zakx: is that in 3.2007? Or is that a latest firmware only thing? | 17:47 |
| zakx | trevarthan: that worked for me already in the preinstalled firmware | 17:47 |
| lardman | pupnik: I would have thought it'd be possible, or at least that it would be released eventually | 17:47 |
| zakx | so it's most likely there in previous versions | 17:47 |
| trevarthan | Tu13es: it only supplies power to the RAM, I think. I don't think anything else is getting power, so the device isn't functioning. It's asleep. | 17:48 |
| Tu13es | hm | 17:48 |
| Tu13es | reading a forum post that says it doesn't turn off wifi | 17:48 |
| trevarthan | Isn't the newest firmware supposed to help with wifi power usage a lot anyway? | 17:48 |
| geoffeg | I'm thinking of upgrading to an n800 for the firefox-based browser, skype and flash 9. | 17:48 |
| zakx | geoffeg: it's actually opera | 17:49 |
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| lardman | zakx: there's a new mozilla based backend | 17:49 |
| trevarthan | zakx: no, there's a new mozilla based browser available. | 17:49 |
| geoffeg | zakx: there was just smoe release of a firefox-based browser for the n800 | 17:49 |
| lardman | attack on all fronts! | 17:49 |
| zakx | there is? | 17:49 |
| zakx | whoops. | 17:49 |
| pupnik | lardman: well a number of things work in bora, so i might as well just try it | 17:49 |
| trevarthan | I don't think it's firefox based though. I think it's just mozilla based. | 17:49 |
| zakx | so, how do i get it? | 17:49 |
| geoffeg | zakx: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:50 |
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| zakx | thanks | 17:50 |
| trevarthan | For example, the XUL plugins for firefox don't work, so no mozphone or firebug... | 17:50 |
| lardman | pupnik: If not, the source is available | 17:50 |
| geoffeg | trevarthan: yes, sorry.. i gues "gecko-based" would be more acurate.. but most people say "what's gecko" so i was shooting for the most recognizable name. | 17:50 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png <<-- once more, my ideal form factor for the n800 successor | 17:51 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: is that what the 770s look like up close? I've never seen one... | 17:51 |
| lardman | pupnik: More buttons might be useful, but a keyboard would sell it for me | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | pupnik: what's that thing in the bottom-right? | 17:52 |
| geoffeg | pupnik: i still think the camera should be at the top like macbooks | 17:52 |
| zyxulnaga | a keyboard is important to have | 17:53 |
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| pupnik | camera :) yeah a pop-out rotatable camera would be nice too - let you aim it forward or at your face | 17:53 |
| gla55_ | pupnik: the pad could be better for gaming | 17:53 |
| gla55_ | direction pad that is.. | 17:53 |
| pupnik | yeah, i increased the size and made the enter key smaller | 17:53 |
| gla55_ | pupnik: ngage classic has ok pad that you can push in too | 17:54 |
| * lardman loves screen size on n800, but hates the bloody poppy-uppy keyboard eating into it & altering the screen layout | 17:54 | |
| * zakx really needs a foldable fullsize bt-keyboard | 17:55 | |
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| X-Fade | Oh just for your information about the Gecko based browser: http://breet.com/maemo/maemo-browser-acid2.jpg | 17:56 |
| trevarthan | zakx: The Thinkoutside/igo keyboards work ok. A lot of crap doesn't work on them (anything using the Fn key) and some of the keys and really quirky, but it's better than using the pen. | 17:57 |
| pupnik | gla55_: yeah... thing is you could never sell an IT with full-size game controls to people - you'd have to keep bezels on left and right to a minimum | 17:57 |
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| gla55_ | yeah it's too bad | 17:57 |
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| gla55_ | they should sell alternative cover | 17:57 |
| gla55_ | same hw but a bit different plastic | 17:58 |
| pupnik | gla55_: exactly. That'd be a really clever idea. A different sliding cover, one with game controls on either side | 17:58 |
| pupnik | that way you can purchase it as an add-on piece, and only use that cover when you want the controls and don't mind a couple centimeters added length | 17:59 |
| pupnik | I'll do an image of it sometime | 17:59 |
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| geoffeg | anyone know if any work is being done to make the soft thumb board be more intelligent (like the iphone)? | 18:06 |
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| Cegy | hi can someone tell me how do i use the bluetooth on the 770 ? | 18:09 |
| geoffeg | what do you want to use it for? | 18:09 |
| geoffeg | internet access? | 18:09 |
| Cegy | no | 18:09 |
| Cegy | file transnfer is that possible | 18:09 |
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| geoffeg | sure | 18:10 |
| geoffeg | if you have your phone paired to the device just opening the file browser will show your phone | 18:10 |
| Cegy | how would i do that? | 18:10 |
| Cegy | so i can't use my pc to accect it with bluetooth ? | 18:10 |
| geoffeg | never tried to use it to connect to my pc | 18:11 |
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| Cegy | oh | 18:11 |
| _Shurik_ | hola | 18:11 |
| geoffeg | but if you want to see your phone use the "phone" item inthe control panel | 18:11 |
| Cegy | oh ok | 18:12 |
| Cegy | :) | 18:12 |
| _Shurik_ | Anyone's thinking about going to DefCon this year? | 18:12 |
| Cegy | so is there anyway i can get to my 770 frommy pc ? | 18:12 |
| _Shurik_ | what's wrong with usb? | 18:13 |
| Cegy | am lazy | 18:13 |
| Cegy | :P | 18:13 |
| Cegy | lol | 18:13 |
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| zakx | hm. | 18:17 |
| zakx | after installing the mozilla engine, apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install osso-browser-opera-eal | 18:17 |
| zakx | wouldn't that override the mbrowser-eal? | 18:18 |
| Cegy | i wanna know how to dod that :| | 18:18 |
| Cegy | i can't even install minimo | 18:18 |
| zakx | minimo sucks anyway | 18:20 |
| zakx | :D | 18:20 |
| Cegy | really | 18:20 |
| Cegy | the internal is crap for me | 18:20 |
| Cegy | it keeps on closing itself off :| | 18:20 |
| zakx | so, why don't you install it using the appmanager itself | 18:21 |
| zakx | no need to transfer files from your pc | 18:21 |
| ramo102 | Hi everybody. I have a question for you :Does the Mozilla based browser supports SVG or not? And how can I test it? | 18:21 |
| Cegy | because i can't install it as it ask me for soem runtime files | 18:22 |
| Tu13es | why cant I edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml? | 18:22 |
| Tu13es | permission denied, but i'm root | 18:23 |
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| lardman | Is there a list of n800 hardware components (i.e. chip names & numbers) somewhere? | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | ramo102: Svg works. At least the svg on wikipedia if you search for svg. | 18:25 |
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| pupnik | Tu13es: lsof |grep /etc/systemui | 18:27 |
| geoffeg | svg++ # cool | 18:28 |
| Tu13es | pupnik: still permission denied | 18:28 |
| pupnik | that i think that should show you any processes that have the file open and blocked | 18:28 |
| sciboy | Woah, back up. The minimo allows for svg? | 18:29 |
| Tu13es | pupnik: doesn't show anything | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | sciboy: No, maemo browser.. | 18:29 |
| sciboy | Even better. | 18:29 |
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| tigert | zak, do not dist-upgrade | 18:30 |
| tigert | its not tested and no guarantee it works | 18:30 |
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| zakx | tigert: that's stupid | 18:31 |
| zakx | it's debian-based and the debian way of updating software is either "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | zakx: Well, upgrade isn't a problem.. | 18:32 |
| tigert | yes. but it is not debian | 18:32 |
| zakx | dist-upgrade shouldn't either | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | dist-upgrade is an entirely different animal ;) | 18:32 |
| zakx | N800:~# cat /etc/debian_version | 18:32 |
| zakx | testing/unstable | 18:32 |
| zyxulnaga | not even apt-get update works for me | 18:32 |
| zakx | so, that's debian | 18:32 |
| zyxulnaga | I have to update the package list from the package manager | 18:33 |
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| zakx | why should you? | 18:33 |
| pumpkingod | allo allo | 18:33 |
| pumpkingod | anyone having issues with libcurl on maemo? | 18:33 |
| zakx | it's just doing "apt-get update" in colored. | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | zyxulnaga: You need to be root.. | 18:34 |
| zyxulnaga | I am root | 18:34 |
| zyxulnaga | it just doesn't work | 18:34 |
| ramo102 | X-Fade: yes, but on browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/browser_paper.html they says that SVG is not supported... | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | It does for me.. | 18:34 |
| geoffeg | probably didn't add SVG to the build to reduce memory footprint | 18:34 |
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| zakx | N800:~# echo osso-browser-opera-eal hold |dpkg --set-selections | 18:35 |
| zakx | problem solved | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | ramo102: Yeah, you are right. They sometimes say it does and sometimes says it doesn't. Hmmm the wikipedia example I tested is a ... png ;) | 18:35 |
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| zakx | The following packages have been kept back: osso-browser-opera-eal | 18:35 |
| zakx | i win. | 18:35 |
| pupnik | nice | 18:36 |
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| ramo102 | X-Fade: :-) infact... do you know a site where real SVG test can be made? | 18:37 |
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| zyxulnaga | apt-get fails with one of the gpg signatures | 18:38 |
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| zakx | ramo102: http://www-eng-x.llnl.gov/documents/tests/svg.html | 18:39 |
| zyxulnaga | W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org> | 18:39 |
| zyxulnaga | maybe because I have the maemo repo's | 18:39 |
| zakx | zyxulnaga: that's a warning | 18:40 |
| zyxulnaga | oh warning for apt-get error for GPG I guess | 18:41 |
| lardman | Is the webcore engine available for download somewhere? | 18:42 |
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| lardman | Ah, ignore that question | 18:44 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: for the n800 mark 2, I think they need to completely get rid of the pen. It's too tempting for finger unfriendly app developers. | 18:49 |
| trevarthan | Does anyone seriously use maemo's handwriting recognizer? | 18:50 |
| Tu13es | anyone else know how i can edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml without permission errors? | 18:50 |
| _Shurik__ | trevarthan: I don't, I type faster | 18:50 |
| _Shurik__ | and even I can't read my own handwriting, I don't think n800 will get it either :) | 18:51 |
| disq | Tu13es: you have to be root | 18:51 |
| Tu13es | hm | 18:51 |
| Tu13es | i thought i was | 18:51 |
| disq | _Shurik__: same here | 18:51 |
| zyxulnaga | Tu13es I just edited mine | 18:51 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 18:51 |
| zyxulnaga | (as root offcourse) | 18:51 |
| _Shurik__ | disq: sorta sad, I filled in few forms yesterday. My hand almost fell off | 18:51 |
| _Shurik__ | damn technology | 18:51 |
| Tu13es | I did the passwd -l root thing, how do I undo that? | 18:52 |
| trevarthan | _Shurik_: same here. I haven't written clearly since 4th grade. And I've been using a keyboard since around the same time. | 18:52 |
| _Shurik__ | sad sad sad | 18:52 |
| _Shurik__ | :) | 18:52 |
| trevarthan | I think it's an honest mistake by the Nokia staff. They're trying to please everyone, and some people are used to palm's pen system. But I think it's clear that people prefer fingers and they need to fix it. | 18:53 |
| zyxulnaga | Tu13es: become root edit /etc/passwd and remove '!' infront of your password fields if there is one | 18:53 |
| zyxulnaga | then run passwd to set a new pass | 18:53 |
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| zyxulnaga | or -u should do it | 18:53 |
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| Tu13es | hmm | 18:54 |
| _Shurik__ | so... DefCon - anyone is going? | 18:54 |
| zyxulnaga | I am | 18:54 |
| _Shurik__ | awsome | 18:54 |
| Tu13es | hm, I can't log in as root because of passwd -l root, I think | 18:55 |
| zyxulnaga | sudo gainroot fails? | 18:55 |
| Tu13es | havent installed gainroot | 18:55 |
| zyxulnaga | it's there by default | 18:56 |
| Tu13es | was just using ssh root@localhost | 18:56 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 18:56 |
| zyxulnaga | open an xterminal and run it | 18:56 |
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| Tu13es | cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? | 18:56 |
| lardman | needs r&d mode tho | 18:56 |
| Tu13es | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 18:56 |
| Tu13es | yeah | 18:56 |
| zyxulnaga | your device should be in R&D mode | 18:56 |
| Tu13es | easier to just install becomeroot or no? | 18:56 |
| zyxulnaga | poweroff, usb connect it and then run flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode --reboot | 18:57 |
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| zyxulnaga | poweron | 18:57 |
| zyxulnaga | and you should be set | 18:57 |
| Tu13es | does that kill all my apps and stuff? | 18:57 |
| zyxulnaga | no | 18:57 |
| Tu13es | or just put it in rd mode? | 18:57 |
| Tu13es | gotcha | 18:58 |
| Presence_ | Anyone get the 770 to work with enterprise WPA yet? | 18:58 |
| Tu13es | what else does R&D mode do? any downsides? | 18:58 |
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| zyxulnaga | not aware of any | 18:58 |
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| zyxulnaga | other than anyone can get root in your device from a user terminal | 18:59 |
| _Shurik__ | it becomes self aware | 18:59 |
| _Shurik__ | do not take your R&D-ed n800 to DefCon :) | 18:59 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 19:01 |
| Tu13es | any way to get root working again without running the flasher? I'm not sure if I have a usb cable handy | 19:02 |
| Hyperion|n800 | is it just me or does java eat massive cpucycals in the new mozbe engine? | 19:02 |
| platten | hello, does anyone know why my N800 can't play regular divx/xvid/h.264 files | 19:02 |
| platten | I have mplayer installed and it just doesn't want to work | 19:02 |
| Presence_ | I have root, and I never ever messed with the flasher | 19:02 |
| Tu13es | I had it but did passwd -l root | 19:02 |
| lardman | platten: Run it from the command line and see what it says | 19:03 |
| _Shurik__ | platten: always use media converter or video converter | 19:03 |
| Presence_ | and you didnt do a passwd -d before logging out? | 19:03 |
| Tu13es | nope | 19:04 |
| dragorn | Presence_: AFAIK from looking at the driver source code, adding other WPA methods will be impossible w/out the driver source | 19:04 |
| dragorn | Presence_: The WPA key handling, etc, is all w/in the binary blob | 19:04 |
| lardman | _Shurik__: It may not play fast, but it ought to play them anyway | 19:04 |
| platten | does that mean I have to reencode everything? Is the processor simply too weak (everything works PERFECTLY on my modded Apple TV)? | 19:05 |
| Presence_ | that sucks dragorn...not having enterprise WPA sucks :( | 19:05 |
| dragorn | The apple TV is pretty significantly different than the nokia in terms of processing power | 19:05 |
| Presence_ | is there an usb ethernet dongle or something that works? | 19:05 |
| _Shurik__ | lardman: yes, but sorta kills the experience... I'd rather have smooth playback really | 19:05 |
| lardman | _Shurik__: True, but would be interesting to know why it refuses to work anyway | 19:06 |
| dragorn | Presence_: In THEORY you could get a usb 802.11 device, set it to host mode, build a power injector cable, add a battery pack, crossbuild the drivers, and run wpa_supplicant | 19:06 |
| Tu13es | bleh | 19:06 |
| _Shurik__ | lardman: not sure... I had some unconverted avi's play with no problem | 19:07 |
| _Shurik__ | slight delays but still viewable | 19:07 |
| _Shurik__ | who knows | 19:07 |
| dragorn | Presence_: I've done all of the above except care about wpa supplicant. It's rather unwieldy to have to carry around a battery pack though. | 19:07 |
| platten | does anyone know when the N800 successor will come out? Perhaps something as meaty as an iPhone (600 Mhz?) | 19:08 |
| Tu13es | zyxulnaga: can I use R&D mode to fix my passwd -l root and then disable R&D mode? | 19:08 |
| lardman | _Shurik__: I bet the mplayer etderr/stdout output knows ;) | 19:08 |
| lardman | s/eterr/stderr | 19:08 |
| _Shurik__ | lardman: I'm sure :) | 19:08 |
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| zyxulnaga | Tu13es: yeah you can disable it with the flasher | 19:09 |
| zyxulnaga | dragorn: I heared that nokia might be able to change their EULA and provide means of accessing the source code for the wireless driver | 19:10 |
| Tu13es | zyxulnaga: and R&D mode will let me fix passwd -l root, right? | 19:10 |
| zyxulnaga | I think so | 19:10 |
| dragorn | zyxulnaga: That would be nice, though I haven't heard it. | 19:10 |
| dragorn | zyxulnaga: There is a source package available already, however all it contains is the wrapper to translate kernel structs to the binary blob | 19:11 |
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| Tu13es | zyxulnaga: would it be easier to just install becomeroot? | 19:11 |
| zyxulnaga | I don't know what's easier that's up to you to decide | 19:11 |
| zyxulnaga | dragorn: yeah I 've seen that | 19:11 |
| Tu13es | fair enough | 19:11 |
| zyxulnaga | are you refering to the one in garage? | 19:11 |
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| _Shurik__ | brb | 19:12 |
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| zyxulnaga | there might be another way to get root btw :> | 19:12 |
| Cegy | can some help me as i've installed aircrack-ptw and i don't know how to use/get to it | 19:12 |
| Cegy | ? | 19:13 |
| zyxulnaga | gainroot does a chroot to an init filesystem | 19:13 |
| Okko | Sigh. "The update erases all data in the device memory." | 19:13 |
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| platten | does anyone know if it's possible to overclock the n800 safetly to abou 400 MHz? | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | what chroot? gainroot? is there some other gainroot out there that does a chroot? | 19:14 |
| gla55_ | platten: wouldn't the question be more like if it's possible? | 19:14 |
| gla55_ | or is there a tool similar to plams etc now then? | 19:15 |
| dragorn | Cegy: there is no packet injection on the 800. Aircrack is effectively useless, especially ptw. | 19:15 |
| zyxulnaga | under special conditions it does | 19:15 |
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| Cegy | i've got a 770 :) | 19:15 |
| zyxulnaga | MODE=`/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --get-rd-mode` | 19:15 |
| zyxulnaga | if [ x$MODE = xenabled ] | 19:15 |
| platten | I thought it had dynamic cpu frequency control | 19:15 |
| platten | as a way of conserving power... | 19:15 |
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| zyxulnaga | time for food | 19:17 |
| zyxulnaga | bbiab | 19:17 |
| dragorn | Cegy: There is no packet injection for the 770 (unless you're using an external card via usb hack), blah blah blah. | 19:17 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 19:17 |
| Cegy | oh so its usless then? | 19:17 |
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| Tu13es | hooray, i have root back | 19:26 |
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| Presence_ | so what can I do to get wireless with enterprise WPA or just wired ethernet on my 770? | 19:31 |
| Presence_ | is there an usb adapter that works? | 19:32 |
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| ||cw | out of the box? probably not, and it would be cheaper to pick up a netgear or linksys router to use as a wap anyway | 19:33 |
| Presence_ | cant just throw that shit into my work environment :( | 19:34 |
| ||cw | and as long as you run your wap in wpa, it can argue that it's more secure than letting a wifi enabled laptop connect to the ethernet... you could set the laptop wifi in ad-hoc and enabled ICS | 19:34 |
| Presence_ | Im set at home...its at work where it sucks :( | 19:34 |
| Presence_ | I set up the rogue wifi detection packages here...I would rather not show up on the rogue lists :) | 19:35 |
| ||cw | I mean, if they are allowing people to connect personal devices to the lan, security is out the window anyway | 19:35 |
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| Presence_ | its all auth before IP using NAC | 19:36 |
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| ||cw | so make it offical, I set up a public wifi here that plugs into the internet, no direct lan access, that I only plug in when guests are here and need it | 19:36 |
| Presence_ | if your device doesnt meet standards, you get thrown into the leper colony, which is ok, since all I want is web to the internet otherwise | 19:36 |
| ||cw | is there a linux client for it? | 19:37 |
| ||cw | is there even a windows mobile client for it? | 19:37 |
| Presence_ | for what? NAC? | 19:37 |
| Presence_ | NAC is all run on the network side. | 19:37 |
| ||cw | yeah | 19:37 |
| Presence_ | all behind the curtain | 19:37 |
| ||cw | but you need a client... | 19:37 |
| ||cw | or is it mac address based? | 19:38 |
| ||cw | how do laptops use it? | 19:38 |
| ||cw | how would you connect a linux based laotp | 19:38 |
| ||cw | laptop | 19:38 |
| Presence_ | you need a client to get internal access | 19:38 |
| Presence_ | if you dont have it, you go to the leper colony | 19:38 |
| Presence_ | which is fine... | 19:38 |
| ||cw | right, so back to my first questions | 19:38 |
| Presence_ | and there are unix clients for it | 19:38 |
| Presence_ | NAC is both cisco and hp... | 19:38 |
| ||cw | is there a windows mobile client? | 19:40 |
| Presence_ | sure...but I dont need it | 19:40 |
| Presence_ | because I just want to be in the leper colony (web access) | 19:40 |
| ||cw | so if there is a windows mobile, and there is unix, then a arm linux client is not too far a stretch | 19:41 |
| ||cw | ok then what's the problem | 19:41 |
| Presence_ | right...but thats alot of effort...its still WPA enterprise | 19:41 |
| Presence_ | which doesnt work today | 19:41 |
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| ||cw | so wpa and wpa2 don't cut it? | 19:43 |
| ||cw | hm, 770 doens't have wpa2, but does have wpa eap | 19:44 |
| Cegy | can someone help me with getting root on the 770 i have just ssh it and use the username as rootme but it ask for a password i don't know wat it could anyone might know wat it is ? | 19:46 |
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| derf | Cegy: rootme _is_ the password. | 19:48 |
| derf | The username is root. | 19:48 |
| Cegy | nice :D | 19:48 |
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| Cegy | is that it | 19:49 |
| Cegy | am root now / | 19:49 |
| Cegy | ? | 19:49 |
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| LinuxApe | anyone here using the ne mozilla browser? | 19:52 |
| LinuxApe | *new | 19:52 |
| zumbi | O_o | 19:53 |
| zumbi | who wants the mozilla browser? | 19:53 |
| Presence_ | I need WPA LEAP.... | 19:54 |
| Presence_ | maybe when I replace these 1200s with the hp procurve devices, EAP will be enough | 19:54 |
| LinuxApe | it's the gecko engine in the opera browser | 19:54 |
| Presence_ | since PEAP and LEAP are really cisco specific | 19:54 |
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| AD-N770 | do you know how to launch mediaplayer form command line ? | 20:00 |
| rebroad | does who know how? | 20:01 |
| alterego | Hmm .. My CalendarPopup wont close .. | 20:02 |
| rebroad | rather than using scratchbox. is it possible to gcc directly on the device instead? | 20:03 |
| alterego | You could use an interpreted language lebroad. | 20:03 |
| rebroad | AD-N770. have you tried running it from the GUI, and then running a PS to see what the process is called? | 20:03 |
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| ioan | hi | 20:04 |
| _Monkey | niihau, ioan | 20:04 |
| rebroad | alterego. not as efficient as a compiled prog though, is it? | 20:04 |
| ioan | question, a good place to get gba games for my n800? | 20:04 |
| alterego | Depends on what you mean by efficient. | 20:04 |
| alterego | It might not be _as_ fast as compiled code. But in a lot of situations you're not going to notice. | 20:05 |
| alterego | Okay, none of my popup dialogs are closing :/ | 20:08 |
| alterego | I thought 'run' took care of all that. | 20:08 |
| Mikho | Is there a way to clone GtkWidget:s? | 20:08 |
| alterego | Mikho, what do you mean by clone? | 20:09 |
| alterego | Copy? | 20:09 |
| rebroad | i was thinking of developing apps that would work on both maemo and qtopia.. does that sound doable? | 20:09 |
| alterego | rebroad, sure. It's doable. | 20:09 |
| Mikho | make a fresh new copy | 20:09 |
| Mikho | I'd need to copy notebook pages | 20:10 |
| alterego | What's with all this flippin emails from nokia I'm getting .. | 20:10 |
| alterego | You can write a copy func. I don't know if glib defines a gobject copy func,. | 20:10 |
| alterego | It might do, check the API. | 20:11 |
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| Mikho | I can't find such a function | 20:12 |
| Mikho | and thanks to C, these Gtk libraries contain gazillions of functions | 20:13 |
| Mikho | I'd like to remove C from the world | 20:13 |
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| alterego | It's not an issue with C Mikho. | 20:14 |
| alterego | Without those functions. The world wouldn't exist how you know it today :P | 20:14 |
| Mikho | well I know... | 20:14 |
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| alterego | Ruby Maemo is fun :P | 20:15 |
| Mikho | It's just hard to feel gratitude while looking at function names such as create_new_foo_from_bar_with_parameters_type_n(...); | 20:16 |
| dragorn | If horrifically slow | 20:16 |
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| dragorn | What do you think C++ does internally? Same mess. At least the GTK stuff is all named consistently. | 20:16 |
| Mikho | yes, the point is that it does it internally, without rubbing it into my face | 20:17 |
| Mikho | but anyway... | 20:17 |
| Mikho | I | 20:17 |
| Mikho | can | 20:17 |
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| Mikho | 't see any other way than to repeat loading the .glade file and rename&reattach some particular widgets | 20:18 |
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| alterego | That's why I wanted to write Ruby-maemo. | 20:19 |
| alterego | Don't have to worry about any of that BS. | 20:19 |
| alterego | Especially with my dislike of C++ .. | 20:19 |
| Okko | hehe, Maintainer of the Skype-ui package is "FIXME <fixme@nokia.com>" | 20:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:20 |
| Mikho | hm, Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory looks like a solution to my problem | 20:21 |
| timeless | okko: i thought i complained about that | 20:23 |
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| rebroad | regarding getting more granular battery level readings... who would know this? only the closed source nokia developers? | 20:23 |
| Okko | timeless: possible | 20:24 |
| timeless | okko; :( i can't find a complaint about that | 20:25 |
| Okko | rebroad: have you checked /proc? | 20:28 |
| rebroad | Okko, yes | 20:29 |
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| timeless | http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-code/attachments/20070719/a4969c92/attachment.jpg | 20:33 |
| Mikho | oh, actually it seems libglade has meant to construct the widgets from the xml several times, it actually caches the xml structure to speed up the process | 20:35 |
| trevarthan | timeless: lol! | 20:35 |
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| blkhawk | lo | 20:41 |
| blkhawk | I just build a USB-host powersource | 20:41 |
| disq | i'm looking for a way to detect the headset button presses | 20:42 |
| blkhawk | any idea how to get the host mode to run or how to test it? | 20:49 |
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| Tu13es | anyone here use hamachi? | 20:50 |
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| trevarthan | disq: does it send a KEYDOWN event? | 20:52 |
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| trevarthan | my screen's backlight pulsates visibly at low power. Is that normal? | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | my laptop's backlight did that too before it died.... | 20:56 |
| disq | trevarthan: i only checked with xterm and no. couldn't find xev for armel. it could be sending some invisible X key | 20:56 |
| disq | haven't noticed any pulsing on mine | 20:56 |
| trevarthan | do all of the other hardware keys show up in xev? | 20:56 |
| disq | xev is supposed to show all the X events | 20:57 |
| disq | so probably yes | 20:57 |
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| trevarthan | Maybe the button on the headset functions by cutting power to the mic or something? | 20:57 |
| disq | should be an api to detect it | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | dunno.... | 20:58 |
| timeless | sp3000: =) | 20:59 |
| disq | mm it sends the key 269025134 | 21:00 |
| disq | "1008 ff6e" | 21:00 |
| trevarthan | :) sweet | 21:00 |
| trevarthan | I really wish I hadn't lost my headset. | 21:01 |
| disq | the keycode is XF86XK_Phone | 21:02 |
| trevarthan | nice. | 21:02 |
| trevarthan | you gonna morse code it? :) | 21:03 |
| disq | i will. though i don't use the default headphones | 21:03 |
| zuh | I wonder if it works with the screen locked | 21:03 |
| trevarthan | I wonder if they put an accelerometer in that thing too. :-P | 21:03 |
| disq | i might have to desolder the earbuds and put in my regular iriver earbuds | 21:04 |
| trevarthan | zuh: do any of the keys work with the screen locked? | 21:04 |
| disq | if only they had the vision to do that :) | 21:04 |
| zuh | trevarthan: Probably not :) | 21:04 |
| zuh | It'd be just sensible to make it mute/unmute for media players | 21:05 |
| disq | they don't. iirc mce disables the keypad/touchscreen interrupts | 21:05 |
| disq | let me find the osso mce guy's (was it david?) mail | 21:05 |
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| Tu13es | so, I followed this guide and everything was fine and great | 21:06 |
| Tu13es | however I can't seem to run tuncfg, I get permission errors | 21:06 |
| trevarthan | a2dp AVRCP keys work with the screen disabled. Problem is that they're bloody slow with it disabled or enabled... like 20 - 30 seconds to register sometimes. ugh. | 21:06 |
| disq | "I'll see what I can do about this; for the 770 it's easy enough; the | 21:06 |
| disq | keypad can just be left enabled, since there's a cover anyway (with | 21:06 |
| disq | modifications to mce, that is). For the N800 this is not possible, | 21:06 |
| disq | since there's no cover, and the entire keypad (both rocker and top keys) | 21:06 |
| Tu13es | permission denied, that is | 21:06 |
| disq | are wired to the same interrupt source, which means that partial | 21:06 |
| disq | disabling is not possible, which means that some sort of mod to | 21:06 |
| disq | osso-systemui-tklock will be needed too." | 21:06 |
| disq | erm. really sorry | 21:06 |
| disq | bad, bad gmail and line breaks | 21:07 |
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| Tu13es | never mind, figured it out | 21:08 |
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| disq | mmm.. softpoweroff doesn't disable the headset button (lock screen&keys does) | 21:11 |
| trevarthan | I thought the whole unit shut down with softpoweroff? Like an apm/acpi suspend to ram? | 21:12 |
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| disq | no it just turns off the screen and keys. keeps working | 21:12 |
| trevarthan | odd | 21:12 |
| disq | in fact i edited mce.ini so that a short press on the power button enables softpoweroff, a long press brings up the menu\ | 21:13 |
| trevarthan | what's the difference then? | 21:13 |
| trevarthan | Why isn't softpoweroff enabled by default? | 21:13 |
| disq | i think it was meant for testing (QA issues?) | 21:13 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I don't get it. | 21:14 |
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| disq | i also have the led lights enabled but disabled most of them in mce.ini. they only blink if there's a chat event pending | 21:15 |
| trevarthan | oh, that's wicked handy. | 21:16 |
| trevarthan | it's like a message waiting indicator. Why the heck isn't it like that by default? | 21:16 |
| trevarthan | Can you please tell me how you did that? | 21:16 |
| disq | edit /etc/mce/mce.ini :) | 21:17 |
| trevarthan | wait... so which chat clients does it work with? | 21:17 |
| disq | to disable the led indicators for specific events, use "255;0;0;0;0;0" | 21:17 |
| disq | works with the built in chat thingy (won't work with xchat etc) | 21:18 |
| trevarthan | what does mce stand for? | 21:18 |
| Hyperion|n800 | anyone know if ssh for the n800 supports x forwarding? | 21:18 |
| disq | m* control entity. not sure about the m. could be mobile | 21:19 |
| trevarthan | Hyperion|n800: it supports port forwarding. Not sure about x forwarding. | 21:19 |
| disq | Hyperion|n800: there should be some info about that on ITT | 21:19 |
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| Hyperion|n800 | thanks, I know it worked on the n770, i'll look into it | 21:20 |
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| sp3000 | Name: mce | 21:20 |
| sp3000 | Description: Mode Control Entity | 21:20 |
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| trevarthan | disq: can I just remove the patterns from the LEDPatterns string? | 21:22 |
| Hyperion|n800 | well ssh -h turns up the -X option, so I guess it works | 21:22 |
| * Hyperion|n800 curses not having a static ip at home | 21:23 | |
| disq | not sure. to disable a pattern i replaced it with "255;0;0;0;0;0". removing them might a)revert to default b)cause mce to fail starting a reboot loop c)undefined behavior | 21:23 |
| disq | d)might just work | 21:23 |
| trevarthan | Hyperion|n800: dyndns.org. That's what I use. | 21:23 |
| Hyperion|n800 | ah, thanks :) | 21:23 |
| trevarthan | all of guardiani.us runs off a non-static ip. | 21:23 |
| trevarthan | disq: ok, I'll go with what you used then. I'm scared. | 21:24 |
| disq | removing them from "LEDPatterns" could work but never tried it | 21:24 |
| trevarthan | which ones did you nullify? just the battery charge events? | 21:25 |
| disq | PatternPowerOff, PatternDeviceOn, PatternBatteryCharging, PatternBatteryFull | 21:25 |
| guardian | what's the use of this maemo toolchain ??? in scratchbox repositories | 21:25 |
| disq | patterndeviceon is the most useless of them all | 21:25 |
| trevarthan | yeah... | 21:26 |
| disq | the leds "blip" as long as the device is on. wasting battery | 21:26 |
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| trevarthan | can I just comment them out and add a new entry? Vim's syntax highlighting doesn't like that. | 21:27 |
| disq | trevarthan: while you're at it drop the PowerKeyMediumDelay and PowerKeyLongDelay vars by 500, it's easier to use that way | 21:27 |
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| trevarthan | ok | 21:27 |
| disq | yeah you can | 21:27 |
| disq | i just back up mce.ini as mce.ini.original and don't bother with commenting | 21:27 |
| guardian | i meant devkit | 21:27 |
| guardian | this one: http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/scratchbox-devkit-maemo3_1.0_i386.deb | 21:27 |
| guardian | i can't find any doc on it | 21:27 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah, good idea | 21:29 |
| disq | now I have sardine on the other partition i'm kinda more flexible playing with the system | 21:29 |
| disq | if it doesn't boot, i can boot sardine, mount the partition and revert | 21:30 |
| trevarthan | disq: how do I make these changes take effect? Just turn on the LEDs? | 21:31 |
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| Cegy | wat is scratchbox? | 21:31 |
| Cegy | :P | 21:31 |
| disq | trevarthan: reboot :) | 21:31 |
| trevarthan | ah | 21:31 |
| disq | kill -HUP mce could work though | 21:32 |
| guardian | isn't there anything more than schedules online ? for guadec 2007 ? like presentation slides, video streams etc ? | 21:32 |
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| guardian | wtf, even the dog agility competition that takes place in my village streams all around the world ! | 21:33 |
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| sp3000 | mmm, webamecopyimglocation | 21:35 |
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| Tu13es | anyone familiar with hamachi? | 21:38 |
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| timelE61i | sp3000: ping | 21:42 |
| sp3000 | pong | 21:43 |
| timelE61i | a friend needs to find a timetable from roama sp to helsinki for tmorrow | 21:43 |
| sp3000 | from what? | 21:44 |
| timelE61i | is the busstation still open and do they have a usable web site' | 21:44 |
| timelE61i | it's on the west coast.. Rauma | 21:45 |
| * sp3000 can't resolve roama sp | 21:45 | |
| sp3000 | ah :) | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | http://matkahuolto.fi/en/ | 21:45 |
| * timelE61i can't hold finish name sound maps | 21:45 | |
| timelE61i | hrm, friend found timetable | 21:47 |
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| timelE61i | now i just need to find food | 21:47 |
| timelE61i | Ideas? :( | 21:49 |
| Tu13es | can I tunnel all my traffic from my n800 via a ssh tunnel? | 21:50 |
| timelE61i | yes | 21:50 |
| danilo_ | Tu13es, I'd made a port of tsocks some weeks ago, but it doesn't worked with some app's | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 21:51 |
| Hyperion|n800 | hrm, google spreadsheets loads up with a black cell field..... | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | basically when I'm on campus WLAN, they block most stuff except 80, 443, 22, and a few others | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | so I figure I should tunnel all my traffic through 22 to my home PC | 21:51 |
| sp3000 | more importantly, can you tunnel food to timelE61i via a ssh tunnel | 21:52 |
| danilo_ | Yes. I have the same problem. | 21:52 |
| danilo_ | sp3000, ? | 21:52 |
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| timelE61i | sp3000: the pizza bug predaes you, right? | 21:53 |
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| sp3000 | 102849? | 21:54 |
| Cegy | is there any wlan scanners for 770 ? | 21:54 |
| trevarthan | stupid internet connection. goes down once a week. retarded. | 21:54 |
| Cegy | or bluetooth | 21:54 |
| _Monkey | i guess bluetooth is the only protocol that really needs the system to have a recognizable name | 21:54 |
| trevarthan | shut up monkey. | 21:55 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: forget bluetooth | 21:55 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: I forgot bluetooth | 21:55 |
| sp3000 | (or, uh, don't talk unless talked to) | 21:55 |
| trevarthan | did I miss anything? | 21:55 |
| timelE61i | sounds about right | 21:55 |
| trevarthan | I wish you could verbally abuse _Monkey. That would be fun. | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | does it fight back? | 21:56 |
| trevarthan | nah. | 21:57 |
| trevarthan | badmonkey | 21:57 |
| _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! | 21:57 |
| trevarthan | he knows his place though. | 21:57 |
| sp3000 | hm, not entirely, I reported something a few months prior | 21:57 |
| sp3000 | don't recall seeing that one before though | 21:57 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 21:57 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it trevarthan is the man who wried the page | 21:57 |
| trevarthan | forget trevarthan | 21:58 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan | 21:58 |
| timelE61i | _monkey status | 21:58 |
| _Monkey | Since Tue Jul 17 20:38:49 2007, there have been 231 modifications and 14 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, 29 seconds this session, and currently reference 1224 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. | 21:58 |
| * trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with _Monkey's mom. | 21:58 | |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with _Monkey's mom. | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 21:58 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | nice. | 21:59 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:59 |
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| timelE61i | did you see the code stats site oloho? | 22:03 |
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| sp3000 | ohloh? | 22:06 |
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| alterego | Has anyone here ever used the CodeDialog? | 22:28 |
| alterego | It displays a dialog. Just not with any key pad :/ | 22:29 |
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| b52laptop | hi | 22:42 |
| _Monkey | niihau, b52laptop | 22:42 |
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| b52laptop | stupid question : maemo will run in another device except nokia 770 ? | 23:03 |
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| timeless | sp3000: http://ohloh.net/ | 23:26 |
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| blkhawk | does the usb-host mode work on os2005? | 23:40 |
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| mgedmin | blkhawk: you mean on the nokia 770? yes, it does, if you do the appropriate hardware and software hacks | 23:44 |
| blkhawk | ah | 23:45 |
| blkhawk | I might miss a software hack then | 23:45 |
| blkhawk | I have a power source running and switched to the host mode with the flasher | 23:45 |
| blkhawk | but dmesq doesn't show anything no matter what i plug in | 23:46 |
| Cegy | anyone knows if u can out x-chat full screen on the 770 ? | 23:46 |
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| Tu13es | out? | 23:50 |
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| VladDrac | so, where's the collection of cool 770 software apps? :) | 23:50 |
| Tu13es | http://maemo.org/downloads/ | 23:50 |
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| SomeoneE1se | anything new or exciting? | 23:51 |
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| VladDrac | hmm, 4 downloadable apps.. impressive :) | 23:52 |
| soothsayer | I know this is OT, but does anyone know any place on the internet to get real-time coverage of the Pan American Games in Rio? | 23:55 |
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