IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2007-07-15

cbx33zakx, any ideas?00:01
zakxnot really, as I thought that your windows mobile already set up a filesystem00:02
cbx33oh yeh i just tried recreating it00:02
cbx33with the mkdosfs00:03
zakxwhy don't you try mounting the wm2003-partition?00:04
cbx33ok. what was legal again?00:04
zakxuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/mmc100:05
zakxuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc100:05
cbx33/usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc100:07
cbx33mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 failed00:08
zakxnow that's a very supportive error00:08
cbx33i also have a p500:09
zakxyou may not be allowed to mount it, safly00:09
cbx33well gtg00:10
cbx33will format tomorrow00:10
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alteregoAnyone know what the dbus service for the alert signal is?01:16
alteregoThe signal that triggers a message in the top right hand corner of the display.01:16
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megabyte405aloril: check the maemo development tutorials, I know I saw it there01:31
alteregoI've found it now if you meant me ;)01:32
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megabyte405ah, yes, I did01:39
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megabyte405xchat's nick completion isn't mind-reading01:39
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alteregoIf only ;)01:41
alteregoI'm just trying to make a complete sh library for system scripting maemo.01:42
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alteregoAha, I've finally found some good API documentation ^_^01:43
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edtanyone have any new info on the sdhc/sd corruption problems that seem worst with the new fm?04:22
eugeneedt: there's a reply in the maemo-developer's mailing list04:22
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Luriait's always so lively here :-)04:33
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Luriawow, the n800 is really buggy when the battery gets low04:49
GeneralAntillesHaven't noticed.04:49
Luriaive had status bar icons disappear04:50
Luriajust a minute ago, i had to reboot because "enter" on my BT keyboard would pull up the thumb board instaed of sending enter04:51
Luriadeleted the profile, re-"paired" the devices04:51
GeneralAntillesI need to get a BT keyboard.04:52
Luriaand i was already plugged in04:52
Luriaonly a reboot fixed it04:52
GeneralAntillesI want one that I can re-map to Dvorak, though. :)04:52
Luriait's so useful04:52
Luriaand the only reason I'm able to chat right now04:52
Luriawell, the software side is easy04:52
GeneralAntillesI'm pretty fast on the thumbboard04:52
Luriabut removable caps...04:53
GeneralAntillesSoftware is easy, but I gotta find a model where the caps are all the same size.04:53
Luriathe thumbboard is nice, but i find the delay frustrating04:53
GeneralAntillesThumbboard lacks multitouch, so that actually slows me down.04:53
GeneralAntillesI don't have any delay problems with the latest firmware.04:53
Luriaplus the auto caps, plus the blocking of the rest of the screen04:53
Luriaalso, xterm with thumboard is painful04:54
Luriaim really happy with my keyboard04:54
Luriaive stopped carrying around my notebook04:55
Luriano more dangerous waters on the go, though :-/04:55
GeneralAntillescaps needs to be disabled04:56
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GeneralAntillesespecially as buggy as it is.04:56
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Luriaoops :-)04:57
Luriashould have used the stylus to minimize04:57
LuriaGeneralAntilles: thing is, with a dvorak layout, you have to have a number row, which makes for a bigger keyboard04:59
GeneralAntillesTrue enough05:00
GeneralAntillesI learned to touch type on both layouts, though.05:00
GeneralAntillesSo I can't type on them without the caps.05:00
Luriaand ive found i can pretty much do without05:00
GeneralAntillesBlank-caps keyboards I just end up typing an amalgamation of both. :D05:00
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vertoIs anyone on?05:01
GeneralAntillesHi there05:01
_Monkeysalut, GeneralAntilles05:01
GeneralAntillesAt ease, soldier. ;)05:01
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vertoSo are you guys coders for programs on the N series tablets?05:02
GeneralAntillesI'm just some choad on the internet.05:02
GeneralAntillesSo, no.05:02
vertoI see05:02
vertoDo you even have an N series tablet?05:03
Luriai so need to download the dev vm05:03
GeneralAntillesI have 405:03
vertoOh wow05:03
Luriahuh... why do it later... off to wget :-)05:03
GeneralAntilles2 of them purchased before they hit. ;)05:03
vertoYou got the N800?05:04
LuriaGeneralAntilles, you have four!?05:04
GeneralAntillesI wuv my ITs05:04
GeneralAntilles2 770s, 2 N800s05:04
vertoThey are VERY nice05:04
GeneralAntillesOne 770 for my sister05:04
GeneralAntillesOne N800 for me05:04
Luriai was thinking of supplementing my n800 with a 77005:04
GeneralAntillesOne n800 formy dad05:04
Luriafor at home use only05:04
vertoYa, I just bought my first N800 the other day05:04
GeneralAntillesOne 770 because woot had them cheap and I figured it was worth it for the extra battery.05:04
vertoI played with it in the store for about an hour, and I loved it05:05
GeneralAntillesThe 770 makes a perfect bedside ebook reader and webbrowser05:05
GeneralAntillesThe formfactor is especially good for ebooks.05:05
Luriaactually, i think the w00t deal was good for the extra *screen*05:05
Luriafor the n80005:05
GeneralAntillesgnutella is a good place to get digital copies since the legit sources hate us.05:05
Luriai read freakonomics on the n800 on a flight to miami :-)05:06
GeneralAntillesI usually watch movies/TV shows on the plane.05:07
GeneralAntillesOnce you get the encoding right, the N800 is an awesome movie player.05:07
GeneralAntillesI just got a 3g phone05:07
Luriai  did that on the flight back to nyc :-)05:07
Luriaoh nice05:07
GeneralAntillesRhapsody in the car over the data connection is something to see.05:08
Luriai tried edge on my phone the other day... it was abysmal05:08
Luriaie, the n800 through my motorola05:08
edtsee for some free scifi books.  If you buy they do not protect and fbviewer works great with pilot formated books...05:09
GeneralAntillesI had EDGE for 2 months.05:09
GeneralAntillesWhat you have to do when you use EDGE is be ready for it.05:09
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GeneralAntillesDon't expect broadband05:09
GeneralAntillesyou wont get it.05:09
Luriawhich service/area/edge class?05:09
GeneralAntillesBut if you expect long page loads, then it's fine.05:10
Luriai was expecting better than 14k05:10
GeneralAntillesabout 120Kbps05:10
GeneralAntillesThe biggest problem with EDGE isn't so much the data speeds, but the connection lag.05:10
GeneralAntillesIt takes FOREVER to start loading05:10
GeneralAntillesI managed it by doing something else while a page loaded05:10
GeneralAntillesand turning off images05:11
GeneralAntillesThat helps a bunch.05:11
Luriai dunno. 14k is horrible for class 4 edge05:11
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Luriai may have to get the latest RAZR05:11
Luriabut its also my service area05:12
Luriacingular/att nyc. i live 1/2 half mile from the flagship apple store :-/05:12
GeneralAntillesI get good coverage in Tampa Bay, FL05:13
Luriamaybe less, even05:13
GeneralAntillesThere seems to be a tower missing right over my neighborhood, though. :)05:13
Luriaat least they have an open wifi spot for n800 goodness :-)05:13
Luriai would just like packet injection to work :-)05:14
Luriathat would help my "coverage"05:15
GeneralAntillesIf you're on Cingular and nearing the end of your contract, check out the SCH-A71705:15
GeneralAntillesOnly 1.8Mbps HSDPA05:16
GeneralAntillesBut it's very small05:16
GeneralAntillesdecent battery life05:16
Luriaim out of contract on cingular05:17
Luriausing my reflashed and now unlocked v55105:17
Luriasounds good05:17
GeneralAntillesI can't stand moto phones05:17
GeneralAntillesNokia spoiled me with the 668205:17
Luriahonestly, i want a quad band, eink phone with grps/edge and hsdpa05:18
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Luriai dont care about anything else05:18
Luriathough i will admit a camera has been handy at times.05:18
Luriai cant be the only one though who want a long life all format phone05:19
GeneralAntillesI was perfectly happy with my 1000i on Nextel back in the day.05:20
GeneralAntillesThat phone lasted me FOREVER05:20
Luriai remember i took my ericsson t39 to prague from berlin for a week05:20
Luriai forgot my charger05:20
Luriathe phone gave out on the ubahn ride home from the the train station05:20
Luriatriband gprs. black and white screen. 2002. why cant i do that anymore?05:21
Luriai would get that indian eink motorola phone if it werent dual band05:22
GeneralAntillesBattery tech really needs to improve now.05:23
Luriahah - GeneralAntilles - while looking for the samsung phone, i came across your itt post05:24
GeneralAntillesProbably the thing that's holding back mobile device development the most.05:24
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Luriahow's hacking on the a717?05:25
Luriaone thing i like about the v55105:25
GeneralAntillesI haven't done a damn thing with the phone.05:25
vertoHey Luria, do you pay for service?05:25
GeneralAntillesI just use it for voice and the occasional text.05:25
Luriais how easy it is to hack/unlock/unbrand05:25
vertoon your v551?05:25
Luriaverto:pay for service?05:26
Luriaof course05:26
Luriaits kinda dumb to steal cellphone service05:26
Luriabut im out of contract and warranty, so i dont mind taking apart the phone05:27
vertoMy contract is almost out05:27
vertoand I don't want to renew05:27
Luriawhich is handy, because motorola completely screwed up the first batch of that phone05:27
vertobut I don't have web for my service plan05:27
vertoSo I get charged an arm and a leg if I connect to my Tmobile web from my n80005:28
Luriayou can change your services without a new contract05:28
Luriaat least on cingular05:28
vertotmobile makes me sign a 2yr05:28
Luriamy 1 year contractwas over about 2 years ago, and ive added services05:29
vertoOnce my contract drops im prob gonna ship to verizon05:29
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vertoCingular is too pricey for my plan though05:29
Luriai got a regional plan from wirefly and changed it almost immediately to a national plan05:30
vertoI got unlim messaging/minutes for $80 a month with roaming and long distance05:30
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vertoCingular was like $130 for the same thing in my area05:30
GeneralAntillesMediaMAX 20005:30
Luriareally? ive always found verizon to be more expensive05:30
GeneralAntillesfor data on Cingular05:30
Luriamediamax 200 is only 25$05:30
Luriaon top of your plan05:31
Luriaor is that the 20$ plan?05:31
vertoi Haven't looked at verizons prices for everything yet05:31
vertoim on tmobile atm05:31
Luriain anycase, rollover rocks05:31
vertoYa, my thing is that with verizon everyone I know is in that "In" thing05:32
Luriaverto, it also depends on the people you call.05:32
GeneralAntilles20$ on top for me05:32
vertoSo all my calls/text are free05:32
GeneralAntillesI have 6000 minutes in rollover on a family plan.05:32
GeneralAntillesWe need to use more minutes. ;)05:32
Luriai have 3000+ minutes alone05:32
Luriaand i have the 450 minute plan05:33
vertoI am alone and burn about 2-3k minutes and 8-10k messages (IM, Text, Pix, etc...)05:33
Luriaeveryone i  routinely call is on cingular, so its rare that i use my minutes05:33
vertoHey, do you guys use your N800 as-is when you get it? Or do you change out the OS on it?05:33
GeneralAntillesUse the built-in OS05:33
GeneralAntillesModify it to hell.05:33
Luriachange out the OS?05:33
_MonkeyLuria: that doesn't look right05:33
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Luriawhat doesnt look right?05:34
vertoWhat all do I do to modify it? I don't think I can be gettin a replacement OS when I mess it all up so I wanna be careful (Unless that Nokia updater will replace it or something)05:35
GeneralAntillesYou can reflash if you mess up05:35
GeneralAntillesThe one thing you want to do now is make sure it's got the most recent firmware.05:35
Luriaget ssh, get root, get funky05:35
vertoAlright, so the updater05:35
edtverto back it up, use the updater to update it to the latest OS.05:35
vertoSweet, I can ssh to it05:35
edtverto find out what all the buttons do to05:36
Luriayeah, you may want to change the root/rootme passwd05:36
vertowhats the default?05:36
vertothats lame05:36
edtjust do not change the user password05:36
vertobetter then toor I guess05:36
vertoroot backwards05:37
GeneralAntillesOne thing to be sure to change is the soft-power-off for the power button long-press.05:37
edtthis can cause fun05:37
vertoYa, im sure05:37
vertohmmm, public wifi05:37
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vertowoo, who has their nokia on here?? haha05:37
Luriawhat is the user password05:37
vertoyay for linux ssh attacks05:37
edthow do you change the soft poweroff on the button???05:37
Luriaverto, im typing in xchat on my n800, BT keyboard05:37
Luriaopen wifi spot at a cafe in nyc05:38
edtI am very impressed with my n800 which I have had for a month now05:38
edtBT kb is on my list05:38
Luriajust as important, open power socket :-)05:38
GeneralAntillesYou have to edit mce.ini05:38
GeneralAntillesWait until you flash and get root/ssh05:38
Luriaedt: i got one 3 days after my n800. havent looked back.05:39
Luriathe thinkoutside one without the number row05:39
GeneralAntillesLuria, how do you carry it?05:40
GeneralAntillesMy pockets are a little full these days.05:40
vertohad to get my N from the other room05:40
Luriaslim pocket cargo pants hold everything05:40
edtLuria do you also use a bt mouse?05:40
Luriaedt : no05:41
GeneralAntillesPowerVR drivers + mouse support + Quake II = win05:41
vertoWhy use a mouse?05:41
vertoif you have a keyboard05:41
GeneralAntillesI can't wait for the N90005:42
vertowhats the video card memory on the N800?05:42
Luriaalternatively, i use a pack from civilian labs which hold n800, kybd, n800 charger, solar bt gps05:42
vertoI friend in Germany was tellin me about that05:42
vertoHe said it was amazing05:42
Luriathe n900? from engadget? was that real?05:43
Luriait looked like a mockup at best05:43
GeneralAntillesNo, it wasn't05:43
GeneralAntillesWas a cellphone of some sort05:43
GeneralAntillesNo top buttons05:43
GeneralAntillesScreen was 4:305:43
vertoidk where he got it, but he said he played with one for a bit05:43
vertocan I ssh from wireles?05:43
vertoor do I need to connect it?05:43
edtqstarz btq818 as a gps here05:44
Luriaim using the escape rg model05:44
edtworks great05:45
edtwith maemomapper05:45
GeneralAntillesi-blue 73705:45
Luriaim using the iblue 757 solar05:45
GeneralAntillesI was 5hz support out of MM05:45
Luriayeah i have to do the 5mhz hack05:45
LuriaGeneralAntilles, i meant the covert rg escape05:46
Luriayou should look at the site to get an idea05:47
Luriathey are very flexible05:47
Luriabut i still need a leather case for the n80005:47
GeneralAntillesThat thing looks awesome05:47
edtverto wireless or bt05:47
GeneralAntillesThe Intech DS case that was on ITT looked very interesting05:48
GeneralAntillesCouldn't find it at Best Buy, though.05:48
edtwhat does the 5hz hack do?05:48
Luriaive seen it at j&r, but its a slip case, iirc05:48
Luriaedt: polls the gps signal at 5hz instead of the common once per second05:48
edtI am using the silcon case from boxware along with a gps case which holds gps, n800, cables but not the charger (yet)05:49
GeneralAntillesI like the current case for my usage05:49
vertoDoes anyone have a link to something to get me started on setting up gps on my 800?05:49
GeneralAntillesIt's just a little too flexible for my pocket and a little too loose to carry around.05:49
vertoI heard of some things to get free gps on these05:49
edtwhere is the mod?  and does this eat more power?05:49
GeneralAntillesFlash the firmware first05:49
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GeneralAntillesdon't waste your time getting it setup, you'll lose it all with the flash.05:50
vertoIm fully updated atm05:50
GeneralAntillesOK then05:50
GeneralAntillesInstall some repositories05:50
vertoI just got it yesterday actually05:50
vertoand ran the updater first thing05:50
Luriared pill05:50
Lurialock down root05:50
Luriathen repositories05:50
GeneralAntillesI'm looking into getting an otterbox for the GPS/N80005:51
vertoso I can ssh it from my wireless right?05:51
GeneralAntillesI go canoeing in really f'ed up places a lot05:51
GeneralAntillesGoogle sat imagery REALLY helps05:51
Luriayou can ssh from the n800 to the n800 :-)05:51
GeneralAntillesJust have one of those waterproof boating ziplocks right now.05:51
vertohow do I get terminal running?05:51
Luriaroot@localhost is my lazy sudo05:52
GeneralAntillesLuria: haha05:52
Luriaverto, read the page i posted:
Luriait has links to debs05:52
vertodo I NEED linux?05:52
Luriaread through it first05:52
vertoI have mac and several windows05:53
Luriawe all need linux05:53
vertoI nuked my linux last week05:53
GeneralAntillesGet the 770 flasher for OS X from google05:53
vertobut for this lol05:53
Luriaseriously, no05:53
vertothat will work with my N800?05:53
Luriayou will want a vnc client and an ssh client05:53
GeneralAntillesI've used it twice so far.05:53
Luriafor working on your IT from your desktop05:54
GeneralAntillesWell, 3x for when I messed got into a reboot-loop05:54
vertoI can ssh from terminal on my OSx05:54
vertowill that do?05:54
Luriawhy not?05:54
vertoand it already has vnc05:54
vertoI dont like GUI so much lol05:54
Luriassh iss ssh, unless it's ossh05:54
vertothats a shirt right there05:54
Luriayou may find the vnc to be more useful than you think05:55
Luriaive run vnc servers on both the n800 and sl-560005:55
GeneralAntillesI run all the ITs under VNC on one of my secondary displays as a demo.05:56
GeneralAntillesPretty funny.05:56
Luriaand even if you prefer cli, there are certain things you may have to do with the gui05:56
GeneralAntillesbusybox is weak by default05:56
GeneralAntillesI'm surprised that Nokia didn't include so much05:56
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LuriaGeneralAntilles, i managed a hall of mirrors with my window desktop05:56
vertoodamn this laptop. Acer is retarded, just an fyi. Who puts the wireless button pointing OUTWARD to your stomach where it will ALWAYS hit.05:56
vertooLast message I got was at 20:55:0405:57
Luriai like rdesktop on the n80005:57
vertooso the vnc GUI is actually useful?05:57
Luriathanks god for the 800 px wide screen05:57
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vertooits not just like, heres the login terminal, and heres like 4 worthless options?05:57
edtwhats rdesktop give you?05:57
Luriavertoo, vncing into the n800 is useful for working on it from a real computer05:58
vertoothat works05:58
Luriavnc or rdesktop out is nice for fixing something on a home machine when away from home05:58
vertooanyone know of a tts/stt app for the 800?05:58
edtsynergy also lets that work - if you enable the mouse cursor05:59
Luriai set up a vlc transcode to mp3 of a wma stream while away from home05:59
GeneralAntillesHow do you set that up?05:59
Luriastupid osso player cant handle asf streams with two playlist items05:59
edtuse the quicksynergy on garage05:59
Luriaso i restreamed the wma stream from home06:00
edtsetup a config file on you pc and away you do06:00
Luriatranscoded to mp3. lost quality, but it worked :-/06:00
Luriaedt: i like rdesktop to windows because it resizes the windows desktop to to 480x80006:01
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Luriavnc leaves the screen as  is so there is a lot of panning06:01
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Luriabut that too can be an advantage - sometime the dialog boxes are too small to read/use at 480x80006:02
vertooif you wanna swap media files from one format to another theres a very easy way without a stream and no qual loss06:02
vertooas long as they aren't protected06:02
vertooJust dl iTunes06:03
vertooand set the default type to mp306:03
vertooadd all the files06:03
Luriayeah, not going to happen06:03
vertooselect them, right click06:03
Luriai hate itunes06:03
vertooand you have mp306:03
vertooSo do I06:03
vertooBut I love a free file converter06:03
Luriawill that work on streams?06:03
vertooOh, your streaming like internet radio?06:04
vertooThen vlc is your bet06:04
vertooI thought you had like wma files you wanted converted06:04
Luriauhhh.. thats what i did06:04
Luriano no06:04
Luriai wanted to listen to a wma stream06:04
Luriawhich doesnt quite work with osso06:04
vertooYa, I was kinda wondering why you used wma to begin with06:04
vertoodef. not06:04
Luriawell, it does work - as long as there is only one stream in the playlist06:05
Luriaso, i would get the 14 second station id, but it wouldnt kick over to the actual radio06:05
Luriaopenvpn+rdesktop, vlc transcode, restream, and i was in business06:06
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Luriaof course if any of the media players were good on the n800...06:06
edtnokia should talk the the guys who setup mmplayer for the palm.  They have codexs for wma and others for arm...06:07
vertooHey, does anyone know of a good calendar prog for the 800?06:08
vertooIts so stupid that theres not a built in06:08
Luriayou got me. i wonder how many people PIM on the n80006:08
Luriapersonal information manager06:09
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Luriaphonebook, cal, etc.06:09
vertooI would personally06:09
vertooIt would be really nice for school06:09
Luriai dunno. i hate text entry on the n80006:09
vertoocut down on the things I need to carry around06:09
vertooYa, I need to either find, or code a tts/stt prog for it06:10
Luriaits very rare that i go without the bt kybd06:10
vertooHow much was that?06:10
vertooI think ima get one06:10
edtpim here, synced my old palm to kdepim and then to gpe using opensync06:10
vertooe-mail on here is a pain in the ass06:10
Luriai wanted one then and there, so 10006:10
Luriabut the same model is 80 online06:10
LuriaUSD for prices06:10
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vertoonot bad06:11
vertooYa, im USD06:11
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Luriai assumed, but you cant assume :-)06:11
edtCAD here06:11
Luriasee :-)06:11
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vertooI think ima just go ahead and throw linux on dual boot with my laptop before I try anything with this 80006:12
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Luriawhy dont you use the vm06:13
vertooIm not comftorable doing things like that with an OS that crashes so often whenever you do something it doesnt like06:13
Luriavmplayer is fairly stable, if a bit resource hungry06:13
vertooI mean for the reflash of my n80006:13
Luriathere is a virtual machine development image06:14
vertooIm going to drop linux on one for the tools06:14
Luriasave you from dual booting06:14
vertooCause I want my linux back too06:14
vertooI had a desktop devoted to linux06:14
vertooand that kinda.... fried06:14
Luriaok, different story then06:14
vertoomy fault entirely lol06:14
vertooThis laptop I use for school06:14
vertooso not a big deal to hit 1 more key when I turn it on06:15
Luriayou could also use the vm image to install on the machine iirc06:15
Luriaits ubuntu based, if thats your flavor06:15
vertooso nope06:15
Luriajust so you know06:16
vertooLuria, have you done your walkthrough for reflash using a mac?06:16
vertooI think that was you that gave me the link06:16
Luriai dont use a mac, and the link wasnt mine06:16
vertoowho sent that link?06:17
Luriai mean, i sent it, but didnt write06:17
Luriawrite it06:17
vertoooh, ok06:17
Luriafrankly, i just use it for the post flash links06:17
Luriai actually made sure to bookmark it, cause the bookmarks are restored after you restore post flash06:18
Luriaone thing you must know06:18
vertooI think I will wait a few weeks, cause I still have the default memory card for it06:18
Luriaif you use privoxy06:18
vertooI want to get my 2x 1g cards06:19
Lurialocal ad stripping proxy?06:19
Luriaoss, runs on everything06:19
Luriaif you use *any* proxy, you must know about this bug in the package manager06:20
Luriaif you do a restore, the proxy settings for your internet connection will return06:21
Luriaeven if you manually clear them from the connection settings after06:22
GeneralAntillesAny way to assign a global proxy setting?06:22
Luriathe package manager will still try to connect through the previous proxy settings06:22
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Luriawhich is a problem, because, then you cant use the package manager to install anything remote - including privoxy06:23
Luriaso i keep a local copy06:23
vertoooh ya, I noticed the default app manager sucks06:23
vertoowhats up with that?06:23
vertooit has like 10 apps06:23
Luriayou have no idea06:23
vertooI was all, wheres all my linuxey goodness?06:24
Luriafor something i use for like 4 days after a reflash, its my #1 or 2 usability problem06:24
Luriai actually dled skype and depedancies to a dir06:24
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GeneralAntillesFlashless upgrades would be a godsend06:25
GeneralAntillesTakes me a week to get back to where I was06:25
GeneralAntillesand the settings are never all the same.06:25
Luriaran dpkg -i * and let it figure it out06:25
vertooThey prob dont want ppl hacking it06:25
vertoothus the flashes06:25
Luriadamn you just reminded me - i never reinstalled eboard06:25
Luriasure they want people hacking it06:26
vertooOr at least they should expect it06:26
vertooLinux lol06:26
Luriathe sdhc patch was hackers' work06:26
vertooI see06:26
Luriaah. dl deb, wait 5 minutes for package manager to start script06:27
Luriaif it starts. sigh.06:27
GeneralAntillesHow does Nokia manage to mess up their SDHC patch when the community had a perfectly good one up and running?06:28
GeneralAntillesI'd really like to see more OS-level development shunted towards the people in the community.06:28
GeneralAntillesNokia just can't seem to get things right.06:28
vertooOk, so is there much chance I will brick my n800 during my flash?06:29
vertooOr is it guaranteed the the flash program will fix my dumb mistakes?06:29
GeneralAntillesBricking is pretty uncommon06:31
GeneralAntillesJust don't interrupt it. ;)06:31
Luriafrom flashing, yeah. esp on the n80006:31
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Luriaand have the battery well charged06:32
vertooDoes it take long?06:32
vertooIve got est 1hr remaining06:33
Luriano, but dont risk it06:33
Luriadepends if you have already dled the rom06:33
vertooI'll charge it06:33
Luriaotherwise the process starts and you have to wait for the 80mb download to finish06:34
GeneralAntillesIt's about a 30 second flash06:34
Luriait took 30 minutes for me - their cap not mine06:34
Luriaonce you have the image, its 10 seconds06:34
Luriafor subsequent flashes06:34
vertoowhere can I dl the image?06:35
Luriaif you are running windows, just use the auto installer06:35
vertooI have windows and mac atm06:35
vertoonot too familiar with mac06:35
vertooso I will go ahead and do it with windows06:35
Luriagood plan06:36
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vertooI took the "Linux Inside" sticker off my linux machine and threw it onto my 80006:47
vertooit fits perfect06:47
vertooits like those windows or intel stickers that come on computers now06:47
eugenevertoo: i need to find my debian stickers instead :)06:51
Luriaflashing is headache enough, why make it worse06:51
Luriai mean, headache if you already have installed apps06:51
Luriaotherwise, meh06:51
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eugeneLuria: it's not that bad :)06:52
Luriaits a pain06:52
Luriai mean i understand why you can use keypresses to jump down a list06:53
Luriathough that should work06:53
Luriabut wraparound is handy06:53
vertooI dont really have more then like 3 apps installed06:54
vertooall of which I am willing to abandon and re-install later06:54
vertooso Im not even worried about a backup06:54
vertooyay for only having it 1 day now haha06:54
vertoothats annoying06:54
GeneralAntillesI want click-scrolls-to-here on scrollbars.06:54
vertoothe battery meter wont report how much there is if it is in charge06:54
Luriayeah, ive been trying to figure what i can cat to get a voltage reading06:55
vertoook, the OS image I want is the latest right?06:55
vertooits not a back flash?06:55
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Luriavertoo, the latest, yes06:58
vertoosweet, its already almost done06:59
vertoothat took like 5min06:59
vertooLuria, can I flash it to this OS and do all the stuff I need to using Windows?07:00
Luriayou may want putty07:04
Luriabut after the flashing, you dont *need* anything beyond the 800 itself07:04
Luriagoogle is your friend07:06
Luriassh program for windows07:06
Luriayou should also find winscp07:06
vertoosorry if I come off kinda annoying for asking such noob questions07:06
vertooI am a noob to this after all07:07
pupnik_putty = win07:07
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vertooits doin a connection timeout over the wireless07:21
vertoowhat should I be doin different?07:21
Luriafirst thing - are other devices working over wireless?07:22
vertoomy laptop which im on07:23
vertoovnc viewer can connect to that also, did this fun lil infinite loop thing07:24
Luriafirst thing - are other devices working over wireless?07:24
vertooYes lol07:24
Luriayou cant connect at all to your ap?07:24
vertooto my nokia? no07:25
Luriathats... odd07:25
vertooshould it be on usb?07:25
vertooim doing it over wireless07:25
Luriaone minute07:25
vertoossh to its ip of
vertooI ran the vnc viewer to that ip and it timed out07:26
Luriaah ah ah07:26
vertoobut the viewer hit my laptop at its 192 address07:26
vertoowith server running on laptop07:26
Luriaok, one sec07:26
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Luriayou want to use vnc client on nokia, vnc server on windows07:27
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vertooumm, sure07:28
vertoonever used vnc so im just guessing07:28
vertooyou told me to get it lol07:28
vertooI want to ssh from windows to nokia07:28
vertoolets keep it simple at that, once i get ssh working I can figure out what vnc accomplishes07:29
Luriaok, that has nothing (specific)p to do with vnc07:29
Luriaheres what you do07:29
vertooPutty installed and waiting07:29
Luriafirst, install openssh following that link on that page i sent you07:29
vertooon pc or nokia?07:30
Luriaon nokia07:30
Luriayou know what im talking about?07:31
vertooim on the page07:31
vertoolooking for an IT 07 version, or should I just install a generic linux version?07:32
Luriaok, stop07:32
Luriago there on you nokia and you pc07:32
Luriayour pc07:32
Luriaso we are dealing with a just flashed n800, yes?07:33
_Monkeyi think vertoo is a noob to this after all07:34
vertooYa, I flashed it to upgrade it using the nokia tools provided on the site yesterday07:34
vertooSince then I have installed like 3 apps that idc about07:34
vertoodata loss is ok07:34
Luria_Monkey,  ill get him through this :-)07:34
_MonkeyLuria: sorry...07:34
Luriaok, vertoo07:34
Luriahere's what we're going to do07:35
vertoook, im on the site07:35
vertoobut before we go further07:35
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vertoois there like a minimum memory size I should have available on my 800?07:35
Luriamiddle of the page - restoring stuff07:35
Luriavertoo, you dont need to worry at the moment07:35
Luriaso, i want you to skip to the middle of the page and read that section to get an idea of what we are going to be doing07:36
vertoook, im installing07:36
vertoothe open ssh thing07:36
vertooalready did redpill07:36
Luriai was afraid you were skipping steps07:36
vertooI laughed when I saw that07:36
vertoono, im working on becomming an IT07:37
vertooredundancy and going through each tedious step is totally ok with me07:37
Luriayou dont need to disable redpill07:37
Luriathats up to you07:37
vertooI figured07:37
vertooI will keep it up07:37
vertoodoesn't seem bad since I still get a prompt07:37
Luriayou will see more packages07:37
vertoook, ssh installed07:37
Luriabut it will slow down the app manager07:38
Luriaget xterm for your nokia07:38
Luriafirst link in step 1707:38
vertoogot it07:39
Luriarun xterm07:39
Luriaand run07:39
Luriassh root@localhost07:39
Lurial/p root/rootme07:39
Luriayou ok?07:40
vertoook, im in07:40
Luriagood, now passwd to change07:41
Luriadont disable root just yet07:41
Luriachanged the root passwd?07:41
Luriaok, now ifconfig to find out your ip07:42
vertooalready know it07:42
Luriawell, just confirm your nokia knows it :-)07:42
Luriaafter that07:42
Luriaon your laptop, run putty and connect07:43
Luriayoure done07:43
vertoowhen I ran ifconfig07:43
vertoothe output reads a different ip07:43
Luriasee :-)07:44
vertooI already configured my router to set my nokia to a static ip @
vertoobut its saying its located at
vertoowhich is my routers location07:44
Luriauh oh07:44
vertoounless inet isn't its loca07:44
Luriawhy is your router at .100?07:44
Luriaand not .1 like everyone else07:45
vertoorouter is at .107:45
vertooI set static values starting at 110 for all my computers to make detecting intrusions easier07:45
vertooand it isn't matching its static07:45
Luriaok, so your router is at .1, the nokia at .100?07:45
vertoothats what it says07:45
vertoobut the router reports differently07:46
vertoolooking at the log now07:46
Luriathats fine, but your router should be at the start of the block07:46
vertoomac address matches07:46
Luriaok, router problems later. back to the laptop07:46
Luriaputty ssh to .10007:46
Lurialets make sure that works07:46
vertooit works fine07:47
vertooI prob just need to renew the DHCP to set its static07:47
vertoonp there07:47
vertooI connected via ssh now07:47
Luriasee, youre done07:48
Luriayou can leave it like this, or do the sudoers approach in the link i sent you07:48
Luriai would recommend installing pretty much every package on that page07:49
Luriatold ya we'd fix it07:49
Lurianext, openvpn, then vnc07:50
Luriaand then youll be in remote control of your machine07:50
Luriafrom anywhere07:50
ericzopenvpn, ooh, i'd like to hear this07:50
Luriabut if youve never dont openvpn, you MUST read tfm07:50
Luriait is the easiest vpn to set up, but it is not a beginner topic07:51
Luriaesp if you want to do more than psk authentication07:51
Luriaotoh, it is very handy, especially coupled with a home proxy for secure surfing on anyone's open wifi07:52
ericzi'd like to be able to do that :/07:52
Luriait's not hard. in broad strokes:07:52
ericzare you talking a 770 or 800? or can you use a vpn with both?07:52
Luriai believe the openvpn deb runs on both07:53
Luriai use the n80007:53
Luriaso i cant say07:53
Luriaplus im talking about openvpn specifically; i have no experience with vpnc and very little with ipsec07:54
Luriabut, to get up an running, in broad strokes -07:54
Luriainstall ovpn on home machine07:55
Luriaport forward 119407:55
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Luriagenerate PSK, copies on both devices07:55
Luriawrite two config files07:55
vertooi need to go run an errand07:55
vertooi will07:55
Luriarun open vpn07:56
vertoobe back in like 15min07:56
vertooif your still here we can continue07:56
Luriathat said, you must rtfm07:56
ericzi think openvpn is pretty easy to install on ubuntu, never really tried though and i don't know a whole lot about it07:56
vertooelse, cya later and thx for the help07:56
Luriai cant walk you through it - not because its hard07:56
Luriabut because there are security decisions you have to make07:57
Luriaand you need to make an informed decision07:57
ericzwhere could i find the 770 openvpn client?07:57
CountDownAhoy.  Last year I got pyusb running on my 770.  I now have an N800 and am hoping to again get pyusb working.  Problem is, I don't remember how I did it the first time.  I don't remember having to compile against the python dev libraries and libusb, but I might be wrong.  Anyone have it working?07:57
Luriasorry, not using it here07:58
Luriaincidentally, id like to pose a question to the channel: is there a gestures library (pref. python) for the n800?07:59
proctotoday was a momentous occasion: I ordered an n80007:59
eugeneprocto: happy for you!08:00
Luriaprocto: now come the accessories08:00
eugeneLuria: i actually ordered my accessories before i order an n800 :P08:00
Luriawhat did you get?08:00
eugenea leather casing from hong kong, a screen protector from uk08:00
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eugenestill looking for a keyboard08:01
Luriaboth are important08:01
proctoI ordered the stowaway bluetooth keyboard with it08:01
Luriabut you need a kybd and gps :-)08:01
proctoonly 80-something on amazon right now08:01
proctoalso got screen protectors08:01
proctoI'm going to get the gps soon08:01
eugeneLuria: it's quite expensive... even n800 is not available in this part of the world. i have to import everything :)08:01
proctodoes anyone know if this:
proctofits an n800?08:02
Luriaeugene, ah painful08:02
proctobecause if it does, that would be orgasmic08:02
eugeneprocto: i should go visit brando the next time i fly to hk08:02
Lurianot only does it not fit08:02
Luriabut according to posts on itt, it doesnt work08:03
Luria2nd hand info tho08:03
proctowith the n800 or in general?08:03
Luriaitt=internet tablet talk08:03
Luriathe nokia forum08:04
Luriai would love to be wrong08:04
proctoI was already having day dreams of playing MAME with that thing08:04
Luriabtw, to underscore the value of the bt keyboard-08:04
Luriaim on my 800 at a cafe right now08:04
eugenehehe you bought a bt keyboard so that you can irc at a cafe?08:06
Luriai bought a bt kybd so i can use xterm08:06
Luriaand email08:06
Luriaand mostly not carry my notebook around anymore08:06
Luriairc is only a couple of days old for me08:06
Lurianot since 199708:07
eugenemail is quite impossible for me. i use imap and my mailbox is about 2gb already...08:07
Luriaor so08:07
Luriajesus. it really has been 10 years08:07
Luriaah, efnet08:07
Luriaand server splits08:07
Luriaand op wars08:07
proctoLuria: I just found infoz on itt that it works at least with the 77008:07 now i remember why i stopped irc'ing08:08
Lurialink plz?08:08
Luriai was debating getting one08:08
proctooh, another post about how that doesn't work very well on the n800 :>08:09
Luriaah, see :-/08:10
proctobut basically, the trick is in getting kbdd to work08:10
proctoand then you just map it08:10
Luriayeah, like all bt devices08:11
Luriayou may need to patch your kernel though08:11
Luriawhich i hate doing08:11
proctothis has info on making it work on the n800:
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Luriathere is an iphone convention going on outside08:23
Luriafuckers ruined the local edge network08:23
ericzLuria, what was that port for openvpn?08:26
Luriaone sec08:27
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vertooJust thought I would let you know Luria08:28
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vertooI love my nokia so much more now lol08:28
vertoothx for all the help08:28
Luriayoure welcome08:29
vertooNext pay check I should get some accessories08:29
vertoocase and btkb being the first08:29
vertoowell, the extended warranty being the first lol08:29
else58Is there a way to use the camera to stream video connection to a browser on another pc?08:31
else58Can I use mplayer on the pc to get a stream from the n800?08:32
Luriaericz openvpn is 1194 iirc08:33
ericzLuria, k, thanks08:33
vertooHey Luria, im having problems with installing the "less (terminal app)"08:34
vertoored pill mode still on08:34
vertooit crashes the app manager08:35
Luriatry getting it from the repository listing in the app manager08:36
Luriabut frankly, ive never had that problem with the link08:36
vertoolemme try again08:37
vertooi noticed it has lag between prompts08:37
vertooprob fetching from the repositories08:37
vertoomaybe clicking a bunch of .install files during lag did that08:37
vertooworks now08:37
Luriafor those who asked08:38
Luriasearch on that page for open vpn08:38
Luriaerr openvpn08:38
Luriano deb there08:39
Luriaone sec08:39
ericzyeah, it just links to openvpn.net08:39
vertoonow that I got this all set up, got a good cal prog I can get on here?08:41
eugenei haven't seen others. not the best but not too bad too08:42
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vertooIt lets me add notes in list view?08:42
vertootis all I need out of a calendar08:42
vertoowhere can I find that at?08:43
_Monkeythat is a sign of good news08:43
vertoo_Monkey: What is?08:44
_Monkeybugger all, i dunno, vertoo08:44
eugenevertoo: it has a separate app called gpe-todo08:44
eugenevertoo: the calendar is just an app to add appointments, that's all.08:44
eugeneit doesn't seem to work with gpe-todo..08:44
Luriathere ya go08:46
Luriahas good deb links to openvpn08:46
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Luriaalso recommend ctorrent for use in a pinch08:47
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Luriaalso xournal, which is one of my favorite apps08:48
Luriabut you need the n800 patch08:48
Lurialesse... evince is much faster than the stock pdf reader08:49
eugenewhat's xournal08:50
eugeneblogging tool?08:50
vertooHey, has anyone set up their n800 to accept a SIM card and act as a phone?08:51
Luriauhhh not possible08:51
Luriaxournal is like an infinite notepad08:51
Luriait can also annotate pdf files08:51
Luriamuch better than the other sketch pads08:52
eugeneguess it's better than maemopad+? i don't really like this one08:52
eugenenot sure why ukmp dark fail on me08:52
eugeneit crashes08:52
Luriawant a new page? just click forward, it adds a new page to the notepad08:52
Luriabut you need the n800 patch08:53
Luriawhich you can find here08:53
gorlovwhat's the root default password for n800?08:53
Luriathe xournal install is for the 77008:53
Luriagorlov, root/rootme08:54
eugenegorlov: rootme08:54
eugeneLuria: thanks mate08:54
ericzaw, Luria, all those debs for openvpn said incompatible on the 77008:55
Luriaericz, i didnt know you were running on the n77008:55
Luriathere is lots of info on that08:55
Luriagoogle n770 and openvpn08:56
ericzthe official-ish maemo port page for openvpn seems to be down (
Luriathere are other debs08:58
Lurialook at the os2006 page08:59
ericzi tried those debs, all said incompatible09:00
Luriayoull have to get it from a 770 user here09:00
Luriaor post on itt09:00
Luriaor google mistral openvpn09:00
Luriamaybe youll find a mirror09:01
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ericz looks interesting09:05
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Luriaok, im off09:07
Lurianight everyone09:07
ericzlater Luria09:08
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user_how do i change my name?09:19
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`0660what's wrong with "user_"? :)09:22
user_lotsa things09:23
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GeneralAntilles /nick <newname>09:23
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vertooi love my n80009:25
vertoobest $400 USD ever09:26
GeneralAntillesNo kidding09:26
GeneralAntillesGPS, usable web, games, video, music, _and_ a shell?09:26
eugeneGeneralAntilles: not to mention fm radio09:27
vertooi need to make this my real phone so it can pwn the iphone to hell09:27
GeneralAntillesAll you need is a simple 3g phone and a data plan09:27
GeneralAntillesBe perfect09:27
GeneralAntillesMobile broadband09:28
GeneralAntilles50KB/sec-200KB/sec off your cellphone.09:29
vertoobut im saying, like put my sim into the memory thing and use this as my phone09:30
vertoogot a link to the gps thing i need to buy to get the mapper working?09:31
GeneralAntillesi-blue 757 or 73709:33
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ericzugh, just because the 770 *sees* a wireless signal, doesn't mean i even have a shot at connecting to it :/ or i get "link-local"09:40
gorlovrootme not work :(09:40
`0660then someone else has rooted you already :P09:42
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gorlovI am serious. There are still variants  of the password for root?10:33
suihkulokkigorlov: there is no variants. where are you trying to enter the password?10:36
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gorlovfor example sudo ping...10:37
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eugenesudo ping <-- refers to user password10:37
eugeneyou need to assign a password for user user10:38
jpizzlehello fellow maemo folks, brand new to the community as I have just hopped on the nokia 770 bandwagon10:38
eugenesudo gainroot10:38
_Monkeyi heard sudo gainroot was failing. Is there any other way to switch to root?10:38
eugenepasswd user10:38
suihkulokki_Monkey: it fails if you don't have the device in R&D mode10:40
_Monkeysuihkulokki: i'm not following you...10:40
eugenesuihkulokki: is Monkey a bot?10:40
suihkulokkiarghgghh bots10:40
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CountDownAnyone have pyusb running with maemo?11:23
eugenewhat's pyusb11:24
pupnikman, 320 mhz 2000x1500 22" Diamondtron monitors on sale for 60 euro11:29
CountDowneugene: pyusb is a python interface to libusb, which is a user space library for accessing USB devices.11:31
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solmumahaanyone know what happened to SoC ruby maemo bindings? looks like the project was cancelled :(13:49
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alteregoI'm working on hildon bindings for Ruby right now.14:25
solmumahaoh, related to Soc?14:27
alteregoNo I just didn't want to wait.14:28
Veggenalterego: how's progress?14:29
alteregoFigured they could use my progress but if they're not doing it, I guess it's all on me for the time being.14:29
solmumahawell it has disappeared from maemo projects, so i guess it's cancelled14:30
solmumahaso keep it up14:30
alteregoI've literally just started. I'm templating the HildonProgram and HildonWindow API's at the moment.14:31
alteregoI figure stick to the way ruby gnome has done things.14:32
alteregoNow the interesting bit starts. :) I can't help it I still love C ^_^14:37
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solmumahaanyone know if there are iptables-nat modules for latest firmware laying around somewhere?14:51
gomiamno idea solmumaha15:02
gomiamI'm still trying to find out whether iwconfig works or not on maemo :-)15:02
solmumahaold ones don't seem to work and i was thinking of using n800 as a router for my old g4, that has no wlan15:03
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alteregoIt does on the N800. As does MAC assignments with ifconfig.15:03
alteregoAnyone know if you can make the n800 backlight stay on whilst charging?15:06
edtalterego install acmonitor15:09
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alteregoedt, cheers :)15:10
edtit allows you to have powersetting for charging and another set for battery15:10
alteregoSounds perfect thankyou.15:12
solmumahayay, wife allowed me to order 77015:18
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alteregoNot an N800?15:19
solmumahai already have n80015:22
alteregoAnd you want a 770?!15:22
solmumahait's so cheap ;)15:23
alteregoMy N800 was only £20015:23
solmumahawell it's still a lot more than 130 e15:24
alteregoI've only had it a couple of days. Best thing I've ever purchased :D15:24
solmumahai love it too15:26
solmumahaeveryone else thinks it's useless though :)15:26
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alteregoYeah they just don't get it X)15:27
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SonejI lost my sound in Skype, cant here i calling or not even ppl talking. But they can hear me. Strange?15:50
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pupnikcheapest n800 in germany is 433 dollars, cheapest n770 is 330 dollars16:13
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gomiamSonej: are you still around?16:14
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gomiamhave you tried to record your voice with the recording app or the camera app?16:15
JaffaMorning, all16:27
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alteregoAre 'HILDON_TYPE_*' compatible with 'GTK_TYPE_*' ?16:37
alteregoOh, they're just macros to methods that return the g_object nice. :)16:38
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zuhalterego: (G)Type, not objects ;)17:35
alteregoYah yah17:35
alteregoThis is still pretty confusing.17:35
alteregoI've decided the best thing to do is copy the ruby-gnome2 tree rename it ruby-maemo and add/remove the bits that need adding and removing.17:36
alteregoAs the Ruby-GNOME2 binding has a load of goodies premade :)17:36
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zuhI think that's pretty much the "standard" way to create a binding anyway (and the approach I used with my widgets)17:39
zuhAnd I didn't even know jack about Ruby! :)17:39
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alteregoWell, I know ruby. But this is the first time I've done a binding this complicated.17:39
zuhI even had to ask for help with a "hello, world" level program to test them...17:39
alteregoAnd I've never had to look at the ruby-gnome2 internals either. It's freaky.17:40
alteregoHardly any documentation for developers :(17:40
alteregoNot for using the binding, but for hacking the binding. The documentation for using the binding is great.17:41
zuhI seem to remember there was some guides for creating the bindings too, but can't seem to locate it now...17:44
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zuhHere we go,
alteregoYeah, I've got that.17:45
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alteregoAnd I've found another relatively helpful document.17:45
zuhGranted, that doesn't really *explain* it17:45
alteregoBut nothing that documents the 'mkmf-gnome2' thingy ..17:45
zuhI guess I have just c&p:d blindly, I think I only did one widget anyway...17:47
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alteregoIt's just going to take a little more time than I thought it would. I don't mind. If I'm going to do it I'm going to do it properly :D17:48
alteregoMaybe someone would like to help me ... :D17:51
alteregoSeems like the majority of maemo projects are lone soilders. It's a shame really, kind of doesn't make the community feel that much like a community when you don't work together.17:52
alteregoWell, stage one is complete ^_^17:54
alteregoHopefully I'll have some good news for maemo-developers tonight.17:54
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Sulisoh! ok! what's the news?!18:03
pupnikas a lone soldier you don't have to coordinate with anyone, or argue with anyone, or listen to anyone else's deadlines18:06
alteregoSure, but it also means it's all up to me :P18:06
pupnikyou could wait until someone offers to help18:06
alteregoThen I would have to wait for my ruby binding :)18:07
pupnikwhatever you're doing, i applaud you for it18:07
pupniki'm stuck and demotivated18:08
alteregoWhat are you stuck with?18:08
pupnikon-screen button input on Ur-Quan Masters18:08
pupniki'll get it done eventually18:11
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alteregoMy N800 is basically just an internet radio and IM client at the moment ^_^18:16
alteregoThought I've been using the browser for a reference manual to the Hildon API's. Very cool.18:16
eugeneevince seems buggy. the default pdf reader works better.18:17
alteregoYeah, shame it doesn't support links though.18:17
alteregoNot tried evine.18:17
infobotit has been said that evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats like pdf, postscript, and many others. The goal of evince is to replace the multiple document viewers that exist on the GNOME Desktop, like ggv, gpdf, and xpdf with a single simple application.  See
infobotwell, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or ...18:18
alteregoI guess my misspelled substitutions will have to take a different format now ^_^18:18
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Jaffaalterego: s/evine/evince/ would work better. infobot even understands them :)18:50
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pupnikit might be a nice project to go back through #maemo logs and teach the bot more faq information19:34
alteregoBut you're not going to do it because you're not motivated enough ;P19:34
alteregoI'm making real progress myself mind. Pretty happy now ^_^19:35
pupnikgood deal19:35
pupnikunique311: can you place calls to landline phones with gizmo / grand central?19:35
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pupniki remember this free service that let you place calls up to a few minutes19:35
unique311with gizmo yes...19:35
famousjslol were you posting the log where i found that?19:36
unique311paid service19:36
unique311with grandcentral yes...19:36
unique311so you would forward your grandcentral number to your cellphone or house number..19:36
unique311its a long story19:36
famousjsit's easier to just watch the video on the main webpage19:37
famousjsit explains all19:37
pupnikWith Click2Call, your GrandCentral number will show as the Caller ID. During our Beta period these outbound calls are free, but will have a small per minute charge in the future.19:38
unique311i doubt it..19:38
unique311google owns them now..19:38
famousjsgoogle owns everything19:39
unique311the rules have to get updated...19:39
unique311those beta rules where set in place from the 2 previous owners..19:39
proctoanyone here have Joost?19:41
unique311i do19:41
proctowhen my n800 arrives sometime this week19:41
proctoI'm going to figure out a way to re-stream Joost19:41
procto(I have it, too)19:41
unique311not too sure about joost..19:42
proctobasically, screencast19:42
famousjsisnt there something comming out thats supposed to be better than joost?19:42
unique311slow my notebook down when in use19:42
famousjsfrom microsoft or something19:42
unique311resource hog19:42
proctothere're many internet tv projects19:42
famousjsi read about something i cant remember the name tho19:42
proctounique311: yeah, because it's using your machine to stream to others, too19:42
unique311i know19:42
proctoI run it on my notebook, too :>19:42
unique311i like receving when it comes to piracy...19:43
unique311sharing i don't like too much..19:43
famousjsdownload: 30 gigs...upload: 1.5 gigs19:44
famousjsthats how i am too19:44
unique311or use torrentflux and not have to worry about uploading your  bandwidth19:44
famousjsi use azeurus19:44
famousjsjust havnt used anything else heh19:44
unique311gave up on home clients19:45
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famousjsso is joost worth getting?19:46
unique311not really19:46
famousjseven if you are on an OC3 connection?19:46
unique311unless you have an amazing computer...19:46
unique311well that too19:47
unique311i have a descent broadband connection...19:47
unique311and i was tapped....19:47
famousjsdo u need a good vid card for it?19:47
unique311maybe procto can answer that one19:48
unique311i have no idea19:48
unique311saw that my computer had a bad reaction with it....took it off19:48
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vertooAnyone on?19:49
famousjsdsl wouldnt be too great with joost i'm guessing19:50
famousjsi have dsl where i am now...but at college is the oc319:50
vertoojoost sucks19:53
famousjsohh ok19:53
vertoomuch better19:53
vertooright from the source itself19:53
unique311vertoo very nice link19:55
proctofamousjs: you need a decent one, since it uses opengl for the interface19:55
proctofamousjs: mostly you need a fast connection and a good CPU19:55
proctoI have a 10mbps cable connection19:56
unique311biggest documentary listing i ever saw..19:56
proctoand a 1.4ghz penitum m CPU19:56
famousjsohh ok19:56
proctoand it plays smoothly19:56
proctoI'm using wireless though19:56
famousjsi have the 3.2 pentium d19:56
proctoso there's some latency19:56
proctoand it's still smooth19:56
proctoI'm watching Max Headroom right now19:57
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proctojoost isn't optimal, but it's mostly limited by available content, like all these media systems20:00
proctoit's really quite amusing to watch max headroom on joost :>20:03
proctocause they pretty much use blipverts themselves20:03
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famousjsso..any other cool services out lately?20:09
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famousjsguess not heh20:12
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famousjsso..anyone hear about backtrack 3 commin out?20:46
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alteregoWoo, getting there!20:49
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vertoohas anyone set up their home music library to stream like internet radio?21:19
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vertootrying to do so on my mac21:20
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rhsanbornI've tried installing some python programs and keep getting an error about distutils.core missing. Any ideas?21:27
lmourarhsanborn, looks like you need the python-dev package21:27
lmourais it installed?21:27
rhsanbornNo, is there a python-dev package compiled for the 800?21:28
pupnik!g python-dev maemo21:28
rhsanbornimoura, thanks. I'll go check that out21:30
lmourarhsanborn, sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot21:30
lmourarhsanborn, then apt-get install pytho2.5-dev21:30
rhsanbornImoura, running now, thanks man. I'm trying to get a sirius inet radio script working that requires some installs. Hence my problem21:32
alteregozuh, you abouts?21:35
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celestehhi.  is there tor for maemo?21:52
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alteregoFinally _REAL_ progress ^_^22:10
alteregoI guess the biggest thing to overcome after I finish this bit is packaging Ruby+Ruby-Maemo22:11
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rhsanbornanyone know if there is an image manipulation program compiled yet?22:30
rhsanbornWould be nice to plug in my sd card from my camera and do a batch resize of my pictures for upload to an online gallery22:31
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vertooshipping a infranview client over would be prime22:32
rhsanbornimagemagick would be nice, I'm just not a dev by any means22:34
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pupnikrhsanborn: what do you mean22:35
pupnikvertoo - there are image viewers galore22:35
rhsanbornpupnik: imageviewers that can resize pictures?22:36
pupnikrhsanborn: you can try mtpaint at my site22:36
pupnikneeds work though22:36
vertooinfranview is the most useful as it batches22:37
rhsanbornIf I can ssh into my home pc (On the road for another couple months) I might try to run the compile of imagemagick on scratchbox. But I'm amateur at that kind of stuff at best22:38
pupnikif batch conversion/processing is your thing then imagemagick is the swiss army knife22:39
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rhsanbornpupnik: it's the getting it on the n800 that is the problem :P22:39
vertooi-view is very low resource22:42
pupnikimagemagick - Unmet build dependencies: libwmf-dev (>= 0.2.7-1) liblcms1-dev libexif-dev libjasper-dev graphviz (>= 2.8) gs-gp22:42
vertooi think it would be an  easy port22:42
pupnikshouldn't be a big deal to pull that out22:43
pupnikvertoo, irfanview is available for linux/gtk2?22:43
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rhsanbornI'm going to try and get to my desktop and just try a simple compile and see if its just a matter of getting the libraries and the program compiled22:44
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ericzanybody have openvpn working on a 770?23:07
famousjswait why would you put openvpn on your cell phone?23:17
famousjshavnt been reading..sorry if i missed the reason23:17
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jga23how do I switch my scratchbox version of python to 2.5?23:17
pupnikthe n770 isn't a cell phone23:17
famousjsohh ok23:19
famousjsi wanna see an OpenMoko23:21
pupnikyeah if i had to buy a cellphone i'd look at the FIC Neo1973 for the openmoko23:24
pupnikEpoc used to be beautifully sleek and simple.  Later becoming symbian.  But not symbian developers tell me it has gotten ugly :/23:25
infobotpupnik meant: Epoc used to be beautifully sleek and simple.  Later becoming symbian.  But now symbian developers tell me it has gotten ugly :/23:25
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vertoocan the n800 be a cell phone?23:35
vertoomy service uses a sim card23:36
pupnikit doesn't have a cellular receiver in it, if that's what you mean23:37
pupnikbut if you're connected to the internet, you can do calls on it23:37
alteregoI hear that.23:37
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alteregoHildon::Program is fully ruby-inated.23:39
* alterego does a slam dunk motion.23:39
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jga23how do you install a python .egg on maemo?23:49
pupnik<bad joke deleted>23:52
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