IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-07-14

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Luriahmm interesting site sparkfun has.00:02
Luriathe keyboard and solar gps arent enough for me... need more bt pairings :-)00:03
trevarthanYeah, they've got an excellent tutorial on how to give yourself lead poisoning for fun and profit too. :)00:03
zyxulnagaI did one with a dlink bt usb and setup virtual ip interfaces with it00:04
Lurialead poisoning for profit sounds tricky.00:04
Luriazyxulnaga, sounds like a good way to get evdo via usb dongle working00:04
trevarthanLuria: I'm lookin' around for a BT -> serial adapter. Ultimately I want BT -> I2C, but I think I'll have to do it in two hops. BT->Serial is ridiculously expensive...00:05
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trevarthanLuria: regarding the lead poisoning:
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Luriawell, i always complain that i dont get to shoot enough in nyc, so maybe some lead poisoning would help compensate (j/k)00:08
Luriaoh wow00:10
Luriagreat link00:10
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Luriaseriously though, they should use gloves.00:12
trevarthanI know a guy who used the same process to mass produce some openservo boards:
Luriai mean dangerous fun things are one thing. but thats not necessary...00:13
pupniklead is overrated as a poison...00:13
trevarthanI bought a bunch of them. They're pretty cool. Wishing I had bigger servos though. Not a whole lot you can do with little bitty hobby things.00:13
trevarthanI want life sized robots, dangit.00:14
trevarthanWith n800 brains.00:14
Lurialisten, i dont usually wear gloves when i shoot, but i am concious to wash my hands. and thats with powder residue, not gobs of paste.00:15
trevarthanAnd I want it to mow my lawn. 'Cause that crap is getting loooooong.00:15
trevarthanLuria: but when is the last time you went insane from lead poisoning?00:15
trevarthanOr knew someone who did?00:15
Luriayesterday, but im all better now :-)00:16
||cwtrevarthan: like this one?
trevarthanskeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet!00:17
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trevarthan||cw: see, that's awesome, but it's too small to be useful for anything. It's just a big expensive toy.00:27
trevarthanSomeone needs to make a servo kit that is about 3-4x that size, or larger. Then see what the open source community can do with it.00:28
trevarthanI bet robots would be mowing our lawns in under a year.00:28
trevarthanIt's all software after you get the hardware built and sold.00:28
pupnikdo you follow the robotic football (soccer) world cup?00:29
pupniknp: Drimble Wedge and the Vegetations - Bedazzled00:30
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TimRikerI'm having issues connecting to motorola ezx phones with an n800 and a linux laptop for that matter. they seem to have a broken ppp implementation that refuses to negotiate ips correctly.00:47
TimRikeranyone using one of these phones over bluetooth with a tablet?00:47
TimRikerLast I tried was an n800 with a Mot a1200 (ming).00:48
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TimRikertake my sim card out a put in in a samsung phone, and all was well. the a1200 is edge (well, mine is anyway) and the samsung is not.00:49
TimRikerI can connect from my laptop to it (tested over usb) by forcing the remote IP address to anything. it really wants to just be but I can't seem to get pppd to configure that way.00:50
TimRikerwell, something to ponder if anyone has a phone to test with.00:50
TimRikerI wonder if it works with an openmoko model. :)00:50
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LuriaTimRiker, fwiw, i got my motorola v551 working a couple of hours ago01:08
Luriawas particularly useful01:09
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TimRikerLuria: that's about what I tried with no luck. I changed my plan with t-mobile to use internet3 instead. I lent my n800's out though, so I'll have to try again when I get them back. (well the 2 I have... 1 is still at nokia for services. I think we're at 7 weeks now, and no word.)01:20
* TimRiker slams nokia service again.... sheesh. pay for new n800. Get defective unit. ship to them at *my expense*. get no word at all as to how long it'll take for them to fix their own problem.01:22
* pupnik coughs *mexico*01:23
TimRikerno emails, no phone calls, no promises, no contact info that I know of. might has well have just tossed it and eaten the $400. It looks like it'll come to that in the end anyway.01:23
pupnikTimRiker: where i live, the dealer has to accept defective units01:24
pupnikactually a DOA is a case for an instant refund/exchange01:24
TimRikerwhere I live there are no local dealers that carry it. so I had to buy it online.01:24
pupnikWhat was the defect?01:25
TimRikerso this _is_ the (much less than) instand exchange.01:25
TimRikerit would not charge the battery.01:25
TimRikerswapped chargers and batteries with another unit, reflashed the os, still the same.01:26
TimRikerinsert changer and you get "not charging" displayed all the way till the battery goes dead and it shuts off.01:26
infobotTimRiker meant: insert charger and you get "not charging" displayed all the way till the battery goes dead and it shuts off.01:26
TimRikerso the "instant" exchange costs me shipping and takes over 7 weeks so far.01:27
TimRikercontrast this with HP's iPaq support. I call them on a not-new unit that's defective. they next day air me a new unit with a pre-paid return envelope to send the old one back. less than 24 hours and I'm up and running again.01:28
TimRikerat no expense to me at all.01:28
TimRiker~lart nokia service01:29
* infobot flings poo at nokia service01:29
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tyHello! Just wondering if anyone has heard of connecting a bluetooth wacom tablet to a 770? (I know, a bit pointless... but what the hell)01:55
tyNot even a sarcastic comment...? Lively channel ;) I guess I'll test it further myself...01:58
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pupnik_is it a mistake to use bora repositories for it2007he?05:08
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earl00hi, i get a message "Can't create device: Address already in use:" when using blueserial script on the n800 latest firmware, does anyone know how to resolve this?08:35
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earl00this community is brain dead, no response, just a bunch of sleeping zombies09:19
earl00why even have this channel?09:19
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* rwhitby chuckles at earl0009:42
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febbHola !10:19
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pupnik_Super Mario Brothers Frustration10:50
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cbx33hey all when my n800 starts up there is a glitch in the this a bad thing?  it used to be perfect12:00
cbx33i guess it's jsut because I've installed apps and stuff now12:03
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zakxcbx33: try reflashing it and check if the problem persists12:05
cbx33was gonna be my next step12:06
cbx33seems weird though know?12:06
cbx33know = no12:06
cbx33zakx, does yours?12:06
zakxis it just at startup?12:06
zakxat the nokia tune?12:06
cbx33I was guessing it was as it's loading services etc12:06
zakxno external audio devices connected?12:07
cbx33tried it with headphone12:07
cbx33though I think it does it without too12:07
cbx33lemme check12:07
cbx33just powering up now12:07
zakxa small glitch is normal with external devices12:07
zakxespecially speakers12:07
cbx33in the first half of the audio12:07
cbx33turning on now12:08
cbx33the first note has a glitch12:08
cbx33the first high note12:08
cbx33even when no speakers pluged in12:08
cbx33just a small one12:09
cbx33could it be due to what I have installed?12:09
zakxdepends on what you have installed ;)12:09
zakxi could check if mine does the same in some hours12:10
zakxwill be at home around 13:00 CEST12:10
zakxit's 11:11 now12:11
cbx33if I'm not here12:11
cbx33I will be popping out shortly12:11
cbx33could you post a mail to silentkeystroke@googlemail.com12:12
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cbx33thanks so much12:12
zakxyou're welcome12:12
cbx33do you have python on yours?12:13
cbx33oh and is xchat same to install12:13
alteregoXChat installed perfectly for me.12:14
cbx33from the strange repo?12:14
cbx33it's not a maemo one or a nokia one12:14
_MonkeySo is there any way to temporarily enable it?12:15
alteregoYou can add it and then remove it :)12:15
alteregoskyhusker is a nice guy.12:15
zakxcbx33: yep, it's much like your setup12:15
zakxplus extra packages12:15
cbx33ok cool12:15
cbx33I'm gonna install it....i just hate that startup glitch12:15
alteregoI consider having is repo on my device an honor and a privilege.12:15
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cbx33maybe I'll just flash now12:15
zakxtake a look at
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zakxi gathered pretty much every working repos12:16
alteregoThere's a list on on the wiki I believe.12:17
cbx33zakx, hmmmm what should I do....what shoujld I do....12:18
zakxalterego: there is, but it's incomplete and, IIRC, not really easy to copy12:19
cbx33I'll go for a reflash12:19
zakxgood luck :)12:19
alteregoI just add them as I need them,.12:21
alteregoI'm starting some development of Hildon Ruby bindings today,12:22
cbx33and then zakx if you tell me yours does the same12:22
cbx33i won't care12:22
cbx33i havn't even managed to get a working repo yet12:23
cbx33working dev area12:23
zakxi could actually record the startup sound by plugging the n800 into line in.12:24
zakxso you could decide whether it's like yours or not.12:24
zakxcbx33: just read your blog -- any updates on your programming lessons?12:27
cbx33soon hopefully12:28
cbx33zakx, that'd be awesome12:28
alteregoYer device _sounds_ funny when it starts up?12:28
cbx33though I've no problem with helpin out....if you wanna start sooner12:28
cbx33just a little glitch on the first note of the tune alterego12:29
alteregoSometimes mine does that.12:29
cbx33mine always does that noe12:29
cbx33just a small brokenness12:29
zakxcbx33: it's usually like this: i borrow a python book of the local library, start looking into it, get bored by basics but can't move on to more challenging stuff cause of lack of knowledge12:30
zakxand then the book's lying around in my house until i have to return it12:31
cbx33I'll challenge you12:31
zakxi'd really like to do something productive with python and django12:32
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zakx(or, even better, with python2.5-hildon ;))12:32
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alteregoI'm working on ruby bindings as we speak :P12:43
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cbx33sorry got dc'd12:54
cbx33any replies to my question about formatting memo card?12:55
zakxwhat question?12:55
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cbx33i said my memo card may have suffered some corruption12:55
cbx33wondered about reformatting it12:56
cbx33and how to go about it12:56
cbx33maybe it does  aquick fsck on the card or something at boot up12:56
cbx33i dunno12:56
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rhysload it onto your main machine and just mk.dosfs on it.13:02
cbx33may be a problem there :p13:06
cbx33I don't have a reader for it13:06
cbx33have to do it round someones house i think13:06
rhysyou can actually do it on the n80013:08
rhysnot sure what i got. search for formatting your card easily on the wiki.13:09
rhysim typing this from my nokia. ;-)13:09
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|tbb|anyone knows how to use alarmtool?14:11
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eugeneJaffa: night15:13
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|tbb|hi jaffa15:26
|tbb|do u know another method to resize applets like your method descriped on mppl.org15:27
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Jaffa|tbb|: why do you need another method?15:34
|tbb|if i remember correctly i have seen a more comfortable or easier way to do that, but i dont remember.15:36
|tbb|have anyone managed to get run the rc17 of mplayer on the new fw?15:36
maddlerhi all...15:37
* Jaffa hasn't seen anyway other than that for applets that don't support resizing out-of-the-box.15:37
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eugenewhat is
Jaffaeugene: - maddler's wonderous contribution to Maemo-related blogging15:40
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maddlerJaffa: :)))15:41
eugenemaddler: nice blog. i have a blog too.15:42
maddlereugene: thank you...15:42
maddleryou blog's link?15:43
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|tbb|damn after i have installed mplayer rc17 it wont run anymore, i have installed rc16 then even that wont run anymore15:44
|tbb|mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_video_filters15:45
eugenemaddler: hope you find it interesting.15:46
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maddlereugene: yes, it is :)16:01
eugenemaddler: :)16:01
|tbb|try to use alarmtool, i always get adding event unixtimen_unixtime number but the alarm is nowhere to see and it doesnt seems to work,  any documentation on that tool16:02
eugenemaddler: hope you read it often :)16:03
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|tbb|could anyone help to get mplayer running again, ive deinstalled the package with --purge but after reinstalling it, still it doesnt run16:09
|tbb|if not, it seems i have to reflash the device16:09
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|tbb|curios as root i can play the videos with mplayer but not as user ???16:54
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Jaffa|tbb|: odd.16:57
|tbb|odd stays for?16:58
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JaffaNo, as in "[that's] odd [I've not seen it]"16:59
|tbb|who do u means could help here?17:05
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edtguess the canola team does not believe the the opensource addage - release early and release often...17:08
eugeneedt: it's not opensource in the first place17:10
|tbb|how could i run mplayer as root from user account17:11
mlpugis it possible to open a file in whatever directory? e.g. how do i open xx.png with preinstalled images application in /var/www directory?17:13
mlpugfileopen dialog offers only files in /home/user/mydocs ??17:13
mgedminyou could create a symlink /home/user/MyDocs/Root -> /17:14
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|tbb|omy goodness, i have said the videos playable as root, i have to correct myself. If i ssh into my n800 as root  then i can play the videos with mplayer, from root on the n800 it crashes also17:31
|tbb|someone have a clue whats happen here?17:38
|tbb|i will reflash the device , cya later17:41
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edteugene at least not yet according to their site...  The code would get better with more frequent releases though, say monthly17:53
edtthere seems to be an idea that a beta needs to be 100% working17:53
edtthis is not the case - you do need to fix bugs though...17:54
edtsometime fast too17:54
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eugeneedt: well, if they are really keen to opensource canola, they should do it right from the beginning, and not when the product is completed.18:01
alteregoI should probably write down my issues with maemo and submit them to nokia or something.18:03
alteregoJust little GUI improvements really.18:03
Jaffaalterego: very good idea. Probably even better if there's a) one big doc (like Sean Luke's) justifying the rationale, but also b) a series of individual bugs in Bugzilla18:08
* alterego bops head to internet radio and agreement with Jaffa18:12
alteregoIt's "Summertime" by Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince.18:13
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cbx33what's the easiest way to become root on the n800?18:13
cbx33i need to format a mmc card18:13
cbx33I'll need to be root for that right?18:13
alteregoYou could just plug it into a computer.18:13
cbx33i don't have a connection for it18:13
milhouseyou can use the file explorer to format the card18:14
cbx33a card reader18:14
cbx33can you18:14
alteregoThe N800 is a card reader.18:14
milhousecbx33: if you just want to format it all as fat18:14
milhousecbx33: from the application menu18:14
cbx33i don't care18:14
cbx33cool ok18:14
cbx33lemme try that18:14
cbx33alterego, where that's where my problems start18:15
cbx33I was transferring a file to the card....and ubuntu said the transfer was finished18:15
cbx33so i disconnected18:15
alteregoDid you unmount the drive first?18:15
cbx33after ejecting18:15
cbx33then i unplugged and n800 said18:15
cbx33the card was corrupt18:15
milhousecould be bug 120418:16
alteregoWell, you're doing something wrong.18:16
cbx33after a hard reboot the n800 reads it fine18:16
milhousei've just lost it on the mailing list about nokia's non-comment18:16
milhouseregarding that bug18:16
cbx33bug 1024?18:16
cbx33got a link?18:16
cbx33I'll try a format anywho18:16
alterego1204 cbx3318:16
cbx33also how do you become root on the n800?18:17
milhouseeither install the "becomeroot" package or set the R&D flag using the linux flasher18:17
alteregoI like tge R&D mode.18:19
cbx33will os2006 apps work fine on os2007?18:19
alteregoSimple and effective.18:19
cbx33never tried it18:19
cbx33what does it do?18:19
alteregoThey wont work at all.18:19
cbx33what does R&D do?18:19
milhousecbx33: yes, many OS 2006 apps work fine on OS 200718:19
alteregoJust shows some information upon boot and allows you to gainroot :P18:19
eugeneit looks kind of cool too :)18:20
cbx33milhouse, did you see my message earlier about an audio glitch on the boot sound18:20
cbx33rest of audio is fine18:20
milhousesorry only just started paying attention to irc... probably caused by another process hogging cpu18:21
cbx33anything to worry about?18:23
milhousenot unless it beceomes more serious18:23
cbx33gonna reflash today anyway18:28
eugenesomething wrong with planet maemo18:28
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* outtolunc wonders where i can buy a titanium usb cable... this one is getting worn out <G>18:59
JaffaMake sure you get gold plated contacts so your MP3s don't lose quality when you copy them.18:59
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pete__does the backup stuff work well now?19:01
pete__if i reflash can i keep my settings19:01
outtoluncoh that was cute.. maemoftp must be os2007 <G>19:04
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outtoluncat least tnftp (console) works on gregale19:11
* pete__ wants to learn how to make stuff from source work19:13
pete__like tinyhttpd19:13
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SeRiKontorri are you in?!? :)19:25
pete__The following packages have unmet dependencies:19:31
pete__  bluez-utils: Depends: module-init-tools19:31
pete__  dpkg: Depends: coreutils or19:31
pete__                 textutils (>= 2.0-3) but it is not installable19:31
pete__  hildon-home-dev: Depends: pkg-config but it is not installable19:31
pete__trying to dist upgrade to sdk 3.2 in scratchbox19:31
pete__any ideas?19:31
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pete__now apt-get update won't resolv19:50
pete__I've edited the resolve.conf19:50
pete__I've edited the resolv.conf19:50
pete__that worked before19:50
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SeRiYou need to find the ofending repo19:56
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SeRiand I bet is19:59
SeRiCatalog name: Maemo Repository19:59
SeRiWeb address: http://repository.maemo.org19:59
SeRiDistribution: bora19:59
SeRiComponents: free non-free extras19:59
SeRiThats the one thats been problematic for weeks now19:59
dhdfoois there any documentation on getting GStreamer to work in the Scratchbox environment?20:01
dhdfoo(by which I mean GStreamer audio input/output)20:02
pete__yeh it is20:02
pete__but it worked aminute ago20:02
pete__why isn't it working now SeRi ?20:02
pete__it's doing it really quick, like netowkring is broken20:03
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pete__I can resolve it outside of scratchbox20:03
pete__it resolves other addresses ok20:04
pete__why not that one?20:04
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SeRibecause they are very unstable20:09
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eichiIf i use the n800 in usb the sdcard reading and writing same as a cardreader? can I formate It with an other filesystem?20:23
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Sulismostly i find that having a real card reader is much faster than using the interface through devices like mobiles or the n80020:26
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pete__SeRi, any ideas why I'm getting this issue20:32
pete__[sbox-SDK_386: ~] > PAGER=less fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade20:32
pete__Reading Package Lists... Done20:32
pete__Building Dependency Tree... Done20:32
pete__You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.20:32
pete__The following packages have unmet dependencies:20:32
pete__  bluez-utils: Depends: module-init-tools20:32
pete__  dpkg: Depends: coreutils or20:32
pete__I'm trying to upgrade to 3.2?20:32
SeRiYou int the only one! Is everybody who uses the same repo20:32
pete__i fixed that.....edit the nssswitch and tell it just to use dns to resolv and it worked straight away20:33
pete__but i can't dist upgrade20:33
SeRiI am staying away from 3.2 until the corruption of the sdcards is address20:35
pete__so 3.1 is still ok to use?20:36
SeRiooo yea I am on 3.1 still20:37
SeRiops I mean 3.220:38
SeRiIs release 4 the bad one20:38
SeRibad bad release!20:38
SeRiok what the hell....20:39
pete__i just can't update to 3.220:39
SeRithe sdk?20:40
pete__any ideas?20:40
pete__trying to follow
SeRilet me see going to try it my self20:41
pete__let me know how it goes20:41
pete__I added the nokia binaries too20:41
pete__this sucks20:48
pete__where the hell is it20:48
_Monkeyor the default community theme in Sardine..20:48
pete___Monkey, ??20:48
_Monkeyi don't know, pete__20:48
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pete__no sdk gurus here?20:49
pete__it seems like 3.1 has a lot of packages that 3.2 doesn't have anymore20:50
pete__and so it can't update them20:50
pete__as there are no upgrade paths20:50
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felipecpete__: like which ones_21:07
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felipecpete__: are you following ?21:09
felipecpete__: oh, it's the same... anyway, it says that you first need 3.1 in order to get 3.221:10
felipecpete__: so the repos should be the same, right?21:11
gomiamquick question21:14
gomiamI've been trying to use iwconfig to set wlan0 up21:14
gomiambut it complains whenever I use the essid option to tell the network I want to connect to.21:14
gomiam(and I'm following the information provided by iwconfig --help)21:15
gomiamdoes anybody know whether iwconfig really works?21:15
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tyHello! I just flashed the Hacker OS 2007 on my 770 and am currently trying to get A2DP to work... ehm... not going to well... The packages from Guardiani's website keep returning Incompatible... Can anyone help?21:50
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pupnik_ty how are you installing22:07
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jga23is there any way to write an applet for the n800 in python?22:07
pupnik!google python n800 OR maemo22:08
lmourapupnik, I'm not sure22:08
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pupnikwhat do you mean by 'applet'?22:08
jga23for the main screen22:09
jga23like the clock applet and the fm radio applet22:09
pupnikoh nevermind22:09
lmourathat's just for the next generation hildon22:09
jga23oh, bummer22:10
pete__felipec, yeh i followed that22:10
pete__I have 3.1 installed22:10
pete__I was trying to upgrade to 3.222:11
pete__I have no idea why its not working22:11
felipecpete__: which step is not working?22:11
pete__apt-get upgrade22:12
pete__hang on22:12
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proctoAnyone try mplayer's flv capabilities on the n800?22:12
proctoHow's the framerate on that?22:13
zakxdepends heavily on resolution22:13
proctowhatever resolution youtube is :> I already made sure it's simple to rip flv's out of youtube pages on the n80022:14
proctoand just making sure the framerate on an average youtube video will be watchable22:15
proctothat and a few other mall points, and I should be ordering an n800 sometime this weekend :>22:15
zakxif you'd give me a link to a flv file of your choice i could make a video of it22:15
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yllusThere's a Canadian web store offering the N770 for $146 CDN, I'm trying to do some research on what apps to load on :)22:16
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yllusThough I should ask first, would a 512MB RSMMC card be okay for storage? I can't really find anything bigger22:16
zakxalthough watching youtube videos in opera with the lastest firmware is ok for me22:16
proctozakx: 15:15              >>>22:17
proctooh really? you can watch them in opera fine now?22:17
proctothat's awesome22:17
proctoI was waiting until skype came unto the n80022:17
zakxyeah, but only when the video's loaded22:17
proctoand only found out today22:17
zakxwhile loading it's laggy as before22:17
zakxi'll make a short video of a youtube video too if you want22:17
proctocan you watch anything on
proctono, it's ok, I don't want to cause the hassle22:18
proctojust your assurance that it plays fine is enough :>22:18
proctodon't bother with the flv I linked22:18
zakxcan't fetch it anyway22:18
zakx19:19:36 FEHLER 403: Forbidden.22:18
yllusHow is rdesktop on the N770? Pretty mature?22:18
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zakxcbx33: hey there22:19
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zakxcbx33: didn't notice anything while booting22:19
cbx33i was just _pete22:20
cbx33felipec, i'm back22:20
cbx33zakx, i reflashed all is ok22:21
zakxcbx33: alright :)22:21
tyHas anyone used A2DP with the 2007 Hacker OS...?22:22
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cbx33felipec you there?22:24
zakxprocto: opened a video, after loading it played even better than youtube videos22:24
felipeccbx33: yes22:24
cbx33zakx what is this22:25
cbx33felipec.  it fails at the dist upgrade22:25
proctozakx: on
zakxprocto: yep22:25
zakxprocto: i filmed it.22:25
zakxgive me a minute downloading it off the camera and reencoding it22:26
felipeccbx33: can you point me to your repos?22:31
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cbx33my repos?22:32
cbx33i didn't alter them from the maemo scratchbox install22:32
cbx33apart from adding the nokia binary one22:33
cbx33which is a local repo22:34
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felipeccbx33: I don't have maemo installed here, that's why I asked22:39
felipeccbx33: but taking a look at the repos I can't find pkg-config neither on 3.1 nor 3.222:39
cbx33ok.  i'm having trouble with my memo card now.  i tried to format.  but it's not coming up22:40
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cbx33should the n800restt22:40
cbx33restart after a card format?22:41
cbx33i guess not.22:41
cbx33i'll try again22:41
felipeccbx33: I'm sorry, I can't help you now, but I'll try 3.2 soon22:41
felipecgotta go22:41
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cbx33hmmm memory card corrupt, or unformatted22:42
cbx33heh i know it's unformatted that's what i'm trying to change22:43
zakxcbx33: it shouldn't restart22:43
cbx33i guess it killed my memo card22:44
cbx33hmmm. i'll power down and try taking it out22:44
zakxit's not that easy to kill a sd card, is it?22:45
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cbx33nope, the card is dead22:50
cbx33damn it22:51
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cbx33i can't believe that card is dead22:56
cbx331gb too22:57
proctozakx: thanks bunches22:57
cbx33there must be a way to get it back22:58
zakxprocto: you're welcome22:58
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proctowould a new n800 have the latest firmware on it?23:04
zakxmost likely not23:04
proctos'what I thought23:04
zakxbut you can flash it on your own easily23:04
proctoso I'm better off getting a good deal from amazon or ebay23:04
proctoand just updating23:04
zakxit's really no issue23:04
zakxdownload around 80M from nokia, connect the n800 via usb, start the flasher, start the n800, wait 10 seconds, enjoy.23:05
proctoI'm about 97% sold on the n800 at this point :>23:06
proctobeating out the nokia e90 and waiting until october for a useable openmoko23:06
zakxdon't expect too much from the camera btw.23:06
proctonot at all23:06
proctoI actually don't really like cams in my devices23:06
zakxyou also can't do videochat in skype23:06
proctoI couldn't find a decent smartphone WITHOUT a camera23:07
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proctoyeah, I know, only gtalk, and only between n800's right?23:07
zakxand windows computers until the lastest firmware update23:07
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zakxthere was a nokia beta service to invite windows users23:07
proctoyou can video gtalk to windows computers now?23:07
zakxwhich is now no more available23:08
cbx33grr now i can't even get root23:08
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zakxcbx33: install ssh and ssh root@localhost :P23:08
Radarhooray, finally got ncurses-bin to go away, and was finally able to install python!23:08
cbx33no password?23:08
suihkulokkiprocto: nokia e60 is quite decent and without camera23:08
zakxpassword is "rootme"23:08
zakxor try "sudo gainroot"23:09
zakxshould work too23:09
proctosuihkulokki: that was my other candidate, but there was something about it that broke it for me. I forget what.23:09
Radardpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq ncurses-bin23:09
Radarno idea what that does, but it worked, heh23:09
proctosuihkulokki: the superior web browsing of the n800, however, trumps even the e9023:09
zakxprocto: maybe it's the OS ;)23:09
cbx33zakx, is that with r&d mode?23:09
proctothough the s60 python stuff is pretty decent23:09
proctothe ability to write python is a major must for me23:09
cbx33or become root?23:10
zakxcbx33: that should work as soon as you've access to a terminal23:10
cbx33hmmm nope23:10
zakxyou'd only need r&d for installing ssh23:10
suihkulokkiprocto: haven't tried e90. however did compare 770 with 9300i.. and 770 was so much better :)23:10
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proctoalthough the e90 is a communicator, and I've been lusting for those since 199723:10
cbx33cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found?23:10
proctoit's VERY expensive23:10
specwhere can i get python2.4? i get file not found on my 770/mistral23:11
proctoand the activation fees here in the US for an unlocked, I imagine, would be exorbitant23:11
specthose seem not to exist23:11
zakxi really need to buy a bluetooth keyboard23:11
cbx33zakx, sudo gainroot needs becomeroot package. but i can't find it23:12
pupnikyeah i was just underway with the n770 without bt keyboard and it suxkced23:12
zakxjust install ssh then23:12
cbx33does user have a password?23:13
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zakxi guess you can't login as "user" from remote23:15
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zakxno password23:15
zakxso you can't login with "user"23:16
pupnikare there any decent linux umts cell-phones out?23:16
Sho_spec: A 3G technology used in Europe23:17
cbx33it sucks. i want to try to setup this memo card.23:18
timtimreddont know about phones, but if you just want connectivity the vodafone 3g (pcmcia) card works with linux23:19
cbx33i can't believe this card is broken.  must have just lost partition table. grrr i can't hook it up to a pc23:20
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zakxcbx33: no laptop with inbuild sd reader around?23:21
cbx33as i don't have a card reader23:21
zakxor any digital camera?23:22
zakxthey're all able to format sd cards23:22
cbx33not one that takes mmc23:22
cbx33only sd23:22
zakxyou sure?23:22
cbx33i'll try23:23
pupnikty timtimred23:27
pupniki see some 3g phones now for under 100 euro without contract23:28
timtimrednp, also works with windows and os x !23:28
zakxi've got a 3g phone23:28
timtimredme too, and an unlimited data 3g card from work :)23:28
pupnikwe should have a wiki page for success stories for pairing nokias with phones23:28
zakxusage fees are horrible here23:29
pupnikyeah i'd get hit for about 40-50 euro/month23:29
suihkulokkipupnik: there was one, but it went horrible, people didn't really understand howto keep it readable23:29
suihkulokkipupnik: besides it should word with all phones that support DUN bluetooth profile. If it doesn't, it's a bug :P23:30
pupnikok thanks23:30
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pupnikBenQ-Siemens EF81 is going for 93.90 euro23:30
suihkulokkiBenQ-Siemens is going bankrupt. good luck finding service for it.23:31
zakxi guess they've been renamed to "nokia siemens" now23:31
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suihkulokkizakx: that's a different siemens department23:32
pupnikhah.  umts usage drives battery life down to 3.5 hours on that phone23:32
cbx33hmmmm. i just formatted it on a win mobile 2003 and it worked fine on it. now i plug it in here it's dead again.23:32
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zakxcbx33: maybe there's some other problem with it?23:32
jpt9is there any way to get IT2007HE to do subpixel anialiasing of text?23:33
suihkulokkijpt9: on 220dpi display? why?23:34
cbx33i'll try formatting it again on a linux machine23:35
cbx33when i can get to one23:35
suihkulokkijpt9: but yes it's possible, just recompile freetype with subpixel antialising enabled and configure subpixel antialising as you would on a desktop linux system23:35
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jpt9_sorry... cell phone net access died...23:38
jpt9_any ideas?23:39
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jpt9_i'm thinking something involving xftconfig, but i can't find it.23:39
pupnik22:30 < suihkulokki> jpt9: but yes it's possible, just recompile freetype with subpixel  antialising enabled and configure subpixel antialising as you would on a  desktop linux system23:39
jpt9_i take it, then, that the version on my device doesn't have subpixel AA support?23:40
suihkulokkijpt9: on 220dpi display? why?23:41
jpt9_because i can :-)23:41
jpt9_and for insanely beautiful ebooks23:42
suihkulokkiyou are not going to see anything else than slower text rendering23:42
pupniksuihkulokki: people can tell difference between 200dpi and 600 dpi on paper23:43
pupnikbut the fonts are already antialiased, so23:43
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cbx33[ 2960.424255] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC    1002240KiB23:44
cbx33[ 2960.424499]  mmcblk1: p1 < p5 >23:45
cbx33so it recognises the partitions23:45
cbx33but won't mount it. or format it23:45
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zakxtry mounting it on your own?23:46
cbx33can't...not root23:46
zakxget root then23:47
zakxuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/mmc123:47
zakxuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc123:47
zakxby the way23:47
cbx33well becomeroot doesn't exist and i don't want ssh just yet23:47
zakxyou're also allowed to user ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0*, /usr/sbin/mmc-rename /dev/mmcblk0*23:48
cbx33only on the intetnal one then23:52
zakxguess 0 was the external one23:53
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zakxyeah i'm wrong23:53
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cbx33zakx, permissiondenied23:57
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zakxcbx33: hum?23:57
zakxcbx33: prefixed the command with "sudo"?23:57
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cbx33ahhhh.  attempting to create too large a filesystem23:58
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