IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-07-12

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pupnik_morning all00:01
pupnik_still trying to get over the n900 design00:02
_Shurik_yes, somebody needs to get their photoshop skills up00:02
_Shurik_either that or really nokia just did hey, what would it look like with a keyboard?  Gimme some play dough00:03
pupnik_the dimple on the right hand side can be from plastic moulding00:03
_Shurik_so I wouldn't think it's anything really00:03
_Shurik_other then a prototype00:04
_Shurik_I'm pretty sure Vista looked even uglier the first couple of years in development :-D00:04
KaylaKazeanyone ever figure out how to change what program launches when you execute something?00:04
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_Shurik_well I00:05
_Shurik_I'm off to sit in the traffic00:05
_Shurik_cya all!00:05
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alteregoWell, it's easy to get V4L working. I guess if it's wired it's a no brainer :D00:13
sickguyWell, I just came back from lunch, thanks a lot for those who helped!00:15
sickguyI will try it after work, Keepvids FLV download and Mplayer00:15
trevarthanwell, near 5:30 here. I'm headed home. bye all.00:18
alteregoThis is looking very promising.00:19
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Piois something wrong with the scirocco repo? everything is coming up 404..00:23
Piosame with mistral actually00:24
Piogregale works..00:24
cbx33so...heheh..I'm back00:25
cbx33do people generally use xterm, or osso term?00:25
alteregoI think osso-term is better suited for day-to-day use.00:26
cbx33alterego you got V4L working on the N800?00:26
alteregoWith it's nifty short cuts :)00:26
cbx33I'll get it now00:26
cbx33I'm gonna install now00:26
cbx33from teh maemo website yeh?00:26
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cbx33can programs be intalled to the memory card?00:28
cbx33oooh how?00:28
alteregoI believe so, though you might have to play around with the filesystme.00:28
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cbx33ahh ok00:28
alteregoI'm a bit out of touch with the whole internet tablet scene so I can't be sure. It's been a couple of years since I've been here :)00:29
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cbx33well you seem to be a fountain of knowledge00:29
alteregoI'm trying desperately to catch up ^_^00:29
cbx33I now have a terminal....I'm happy00:29
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guardianwhat's the benefit of upgrading my 3.1 sdk ? now that 3.2 is released ?00:31
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guardianis there any reason doing it ?00:32
alteregoIt's more up-to-date?00:32
guardiansince 3.2 is supposed to be fully 3.x compatible00:32
alteregoCheck the changelog.00:32
alteregoThen decide whether it's worth it.00:32
cbx33is ok to install from?00:33
cbx33it has python ?00:33 is ok00:34
cbx33ok here i go00:34
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guardiancontent_changes.html says nearly everything has been upgraded00:34
guardianso it's difficult to see what's the inpact in the end00:34
cbx33damn packages are missing00:34
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therilcbx33: Which packages?00:35
cbx33what the heck do i do now?00:35
_Monkeylibglade is 2.0 at max, but glade itself is 300:35
therilcbx33: How did you try to install it?00:35
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therilClicked the install from
cbx33clicked on the intall link on the maemo website?00:35
cbx33should i apt-get install?00:35
therilInstall this first
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cbx33how big is it?00:36
therilThe application manager has a known problem that it supports only adding one repository per .install-file, so sometimes the repositories must be installed manually00:36
therilcbx33: It's not really a package, it just adds the repository to application manager00:37
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cbx33oh i see00:37
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therilSomething under 1KB i guess ;)00:37
cbx33python it is00:37
cbx33i'm just a little cautious of running out of space00:37
cbx33there's not much on the device itself00:37
Veggencbx33: there's actually quite a bit.00:37
alterego.. "The only thing that struck me as odd is that the headphone jack appeared to have one extra contact on it" .. very promising :D00:38
cbx33on goes python and realted stuff00:38
cbx33hope it doesn't take up too much00:38
cbx33I have a gig memory card00:38
cbx33wopuld like to use that at some point for installing apps00:39
Veggencbx: it's a good strategy, I feel, to leave internal storage for programs and put data on cards.00:39
cbx33the battery time fluctuates a lot00:39
cbx33Veggen true00:39
cbx33coool python installed00:39
cbx33is camera any good?00:40
cbx33does fm radio work with the headphones as the antenna?00:40
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cbx33is xchat good on maemo?00:42
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pupnik_  Nokia 770 successor -- the 970!  :P00:46
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nate12o6has anyone in here paired there with a bluetooth cell phone to get internet?00:50
nate12o6i was able to pair it with a trio 650 but dont know what to do after that to get internet access00:50
nate12o6it says that dialup networking is available but where do i go to configure all that stuff?00:51
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pupnik"Slightly larger and heavier than the 770, the Nokia 970 features 256MB onboard flash, 256MB ram, a 500mhz cpu, two SD card slots, a dual-mode transflective display and a 7-12 hour battery life"00:51
alteregopupnik, it's a prototype, the final product probably wont look like that at all.00:51
pupnikit's a mockup in the gimp i just made :P00:52
alteregoBesides, having a slip out keyboard would be cool imo00:52
alteregopupnik, runs symbian :P00:52
pupnikwell for me, a larger dpad, smaller center dpad button, stero speakers and right hand side buttons would be the New Happiness (tm)00:53
alteregoLeft handed?00:53
pupniki am, but it hardly matters.  Right hand side buttons are needed to play games.00:53
alteregoChop your right hand off.00:54
pupnikeveryone needs right hand side buttons00:54
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alteregoWell, my suspicion of svideo output is getting more and more concrete (in my mind) .. ^_^00:55
alteregoPOS :P00:56
alteregoIt's tooooo smallll.00:56
alteregoAnd it's not a touch screen. All screens should be touch screen :P00:56
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pupnikI just can't bring myself to spend 200 euro for a gp2x01:12
pupniki think a slide out keyboard would be doable though using index fingers to prop-up the defice your thumbs could use the bottom keys01:15
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alteregoThat's pretty cheap pupnik01:25
alteregoI'm starting to salivate. I need my N800!01:26
alteregoHope it turns up tomorrow. I'd be super chuffed.01:27
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unique311lol, i'm not too sure about your mockup pupnik....97001:28
alteregoShould have the 880 first :P01:28
alteregoMaybe even the 880e01:28
alteregoAnd the i88001:29
unique311try something that doesn't look so much like the 770 or 80001:29
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unique311if the nokia does decide to do with a 970 that looks like that..i'm getting an iphone..01:30
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alteregoI will _never_ get an iPhone.01:32
alteregoApple are so gay.01:32
timtimrednice reasoning skills there.01:33
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unique311same here, but as long as the next NIT is hot stuff....01:33
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alteregoNice, N800 USB host mode.01:35
alteregoWith a nifty sysfs interface to toggle between OTG and Host mode :)01:38
alteregoI remember the 770 was unable to do that.01:39
Abulafiacan you do networking over n800 usb host?01:39
alteregoProvided you have a powered up. Yes01:39
Abulafia(was asked about evdo usb dongles yesterday)01:39
alteregohub ..01:39
Abulafiahey, i like power ups too.01:40
Abulafiai jump after all the 1-up mushrooms :-)01:40
alteregoAppearantly it supplies 100mA so it might be possible depending on the power suckage of the USB device.01:41
alteregoA memory card reader for instance may work.01:41
pupnikhi unique31101:42
unique311whats up01:43
unique311anyone play chess?01:43
pupnikyes :)01:46
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unique311are you any good..01:46
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unique311see that i don't believe...01:47
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pupnikmaybe 3 games a year01:47
unique311i just got back into playing..01:47
unique311its addictive..01:48
pupnikpeople or computers?01:48
unique311well, a person...01:48
edtany idea why .deb no longer triggers the installer here?01:48
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pupnikwhoah, on-topic questions!01:49
unique311but the person wants to learn01:49
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metatroni find the manager to be very slow01:49
metatrondebs open the installer but after a couple of minutes (literally)01:50
edteg. clicking on a .deb for my box no longer wants to open with the installer...01:50
edtI no longer have the option to open them.01:51
dick-richardsonedt: can you run dpkg -i for the file?01:51
dick-richardsonthen I dunno :(01:51
metatrongah. thats how i ended up installing skype01:51
edtits as if mime type got messed up01:52
dick-richardsoni know this is directly applicable to the channel...but skype vs. gizmo: I'm trying to decide between the 2 and just curious what experience people have had01:52
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dick-richardsonedt: yeah, like the front end (hildon?) doesn't know what to do w/it. is there a gconf-editor type app for the n800?01:53
alteregoThere's one floating about somewhere I'm sure/01:54
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metatrongizmo is more flexible, skype has more people. i find the audio on gizmo to be better.01:54
metatronpretty much what you'd expect01:54
dick-richardsonfairly comparable re: pricing?01:55
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fdsdhey guys, What do you guys think of the iPhone?01:56
edtwait for v201:56
roopeit's good.01:56
dick-richardsonit doesn't do what i need01:56
fdsdI with it had terminal support01:57
roopeit's a smartphone for the masses.01:57
dick-richardsonyep. I really like scripting...but I have to have vpn and samba01:57
metatronwouldnt that make it a dumbphone?01:57
fdsdand I wish that it was a bit higher res on the screen like my nokia, but the glide feature they have for scrolling is impressive01:57
dick-richardsonhell yeah, design is flawless01:58
metatroni dunno, i played with one the other day01:58
metatroni dont like the browsing experience01:58
fdsdmetatron, I ended up buying one01:58
fdsdmetatron, why?01:58
roopeflawless is a pretty tall statement. everything has flaws.01:58
fdsdroope, 1.0 software.. expect some bugs01:59
dick-richardsonproper names are difficult01:59
dick-richardsonhey, edt:
dick-richardsonhonestly, I'm not sure which entry it'd be under...but it might be worth poking around02:00
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fdsdI wish my nokia had a glass screen like the iPhone02:01
fdsdno scratching:)02:01
dick-richardsoneugene: where are you? it's 6p where I am :P02:01
roopebut it's a really welcome boost. i will force a good response to it.02:01
roopethe phone market was stagnated for a while.02:01
eugenedick-richardson: Singapore :)02:02
fdsdroope, yeah I think the iPhone OS is light years ahead of the competition02:02
fdsdI really hope developers can create cocoa apps for it by next wwdc02:02
roopewell, it's ... I wouldn't say life years, but. :)02:03
dick-richardsonfdsd: not the OS, per se...the interface. Open up the bsd underpinings and release an sdk02:03
roopelight years.02:03
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fdsddick-richardson, well apple's interface and windowing system quartz is far ahead of Microsofts or any other phone provider or PDA company02:04
roopeit's running an OS and hardware that allows for a really good visual experience UI.02:04
roopebut then again, something like PSP has more eye-candy stuff in its ui, for instance.02:04
dick-richardsonbut it's so blasted limited :/02:05
fdsdroope, yeah but they have not mastered ease of use02:05
roopethat's true.02:05
fdsdThey think a 4.5" Screen is "Portable"02:05
fdsdwell they think a PSP is portable02:06
fdsdNokia 770 and N800 could be alittle trimmer also02:06
fdsdI would love a Nintendo DS type device where the bottom part is a keyboard and the top part is a screen like the iPhone..02:07
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dick-richardsonI'd like a slide-out keyboard for the n800, a la htc apache02:09
fdsdwould be nice02:10
fdsdI wish the n800 had a screen cover like the nokia 77002:10
dick-richardsoni haven't seen it, is it just a flip cover?02:10
fdsdI bought a compusa replacement warranty on my 770 so I could break it and get a free n800, but they went out of business.. damn02:11
fdsddick-richardson, slides over the screen and puts the device to sleep02:11
cesmanthey should still cover it02:12
alteregoWell, the iPhone has a PowerVR MBX chip in it.02:12
fdsdwhat is that?02:12
_Monkeythat is a sign of good news02:12
cesmancompusa isn't out of business, they just closed about half thier stores02:12
fdsdall the store in my area02:12
cesmanmine as well02:13
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fdsdwhat is the PowerVR MBX?02:14
dick-richardsonit's a really good chip02:14
dick-richardsonpower vs. performance is really good02:14
alteregofdsd, it's a 2D/3D accelarator chip found in the OMAP 2420 SoC package.02:15
fdsdI really hope that I can port some of my objective C cocoa code to it, I use to use layerkit way before it was called core animation02:15
alteregoIt allows you to code in OpenGL ES02:16
alteregoOh, the OMAP2420 is in the N800 ;)02:16
cesmansame PowerVR from the 3dfx days...02:16
alteregoIf you didn't know :)02:16
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* cesman thought they went under or something...02:17
alteregoThe company might have but the technology is still around.02:17
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fdsdI hope nokia will introduce a touch screen like the iPhone02:18
dick-richardsonnvidia bought them, back in the day, didnt' they?02:18
cesmansame name, same logo02:18
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alteregoImagination Technologies have joined forces with ARM to provide accelerated 3D graphics for SoC packages.02:18
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roopethe iphone is a bit weird, the keyboard only allows to press one key at a time.02:18
alteregoUsing PowerVR MBX technologies.02:18
roopeone would think that that would be exactly the thing they would use "multi-touch".02:18
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fdsdroope, you can hit two at a time but it doesnt register what key came first02:20
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alteregoThey're developing N800 drivers!02:21
alteregoThis is _too_ cool!02:21
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derfSummer of Code?02:22
alteregoNo idea.02:22
derfOh, System on a Chip.02:22
alteregoOh, you wanted to know what I meant sorry :)02:23
alteregoI thought you were talking about the driver development.02:23
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* cesman thinks the ultimate Linux portable device woul combine a N800 and a GP2x02:23
fdsdDamn my apple store close to me has no iPhones, I wanted to take my girlfriend's dad to get one02:23
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fdsdcompiz on a nokia n800.. a man can dream02:25
fdsdits made for the touch interface02:25
alteregoWould be neat.02:27
KaylaKazeanyone think it'd be cool to have a game like shining force but for fighting you have like 3 seconds or so to draw symbols for attacking (a slash for a standard attack, and other more complex symbols for spells and such)?02:28
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GeneralAntillesSymbols are never any fun.02:29
GeneralAntillesSee Black & White02:29
GeneralAntillesSounds like a DS title, anyway.02:29
KaylaKazethat's 'cause the DS is the only major touch screen platform02:29
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GeneralAntillesGood point. :P02:29
GeneralAntillesI want multitouch and PowerVR drivers for games.02:30
GeneralAntillesBe cool if some of the N-Gage development could come over to the ITs.02:30
GeneralAntillesThough it's completely out of the roadmap.02:30
KaylaKaze(would it be cool, that is)02:31
alteregoI'd like a good RTS.02:31
cesmanGeneralAntilles: the n800 would be nice for games, but the layout of the input keys aren't that great02:31
KaylaKazeyuck to rts02:31
fdsdAnyone want to trade their n800 for my nokia 770 and an ipod nano?02:31
alteregoI'm getting old :P02:31
GeneralAntillesIf they would just clone the keys on the left and put a set on the right side it'd be perfect.02:32
GeneralAntillesfdsd: no.02:32
KaylaKazeThe 770, hardware wise, is only a little less powerful than my laptop02:32
alteregoHah .. No .. ^_^02:32
GeneralAntillesIt would be perfect for RTS02:32
KaylaKazeand my laptop can play starcraft and fallout and stuff02:32
fdsdI can't glue my nokia 770 and my ipod nano and my cell phone together to make an iphone..02:32
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GeneralAntillesJust fab yourself a giant iPhone case and stick them in there.02:33
* cesman thinks the iphone, while nice is less superior than a n80002:33
KaylaKazeI should see about how difficult it'd be to run Dosbox on maemo02:33
* GeneralAntilles agrees.02:33
Juhazof course not. glue is for amateurs, you have to use duct tape to make magic happen02:33
GeneralAntillesI love the interface on the iPhone02:33
GeneralAntillesIt's magical02:33
GeneralAntillesBut without the screenrez of the N800 and without any of the tasty unixy parts of OS X it's just not worth it.02:34
* GeneralAntilles is a Mac user.02:34
cesmanfor Walt Mossberg to call it a mini computer is misleading as Apple doesn't provide a full SDK02:34
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine them holding that position for much longer.02:34
GeneralAntillesMac developers are some of the best interface designers out there.02:35
GeneralAntillesThey would thrive on the iPhone.02:35
cesmanIt will certainly make the next round of portable devices more interesting02:35
GeneralAntillesI think that's where the impact of the iPhone really comes into play.02:35
GeneralAntillesTo everybody who hasn't used the iPhone, try it.02:35
cesmanNokia has something really great w/ the n770 and 80002:35
GeneralAntillesIt's going to change the entire cellphone paradigm.02:35
GeneralAntillesThe same way the iPod changed MP3 players.02:35
fdsdGeneralAntilles, they will come out with an SDK...02:35
GeneralAntillesHopefully it's sooner rather than later.02:36
fdsdyeah web 2.0 apps are kinda lame02:36
fdsdbut its amazing how one device can make so many companies taylor to one device02:37
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GeneralAntillesText rendering in Safari on there is abysmally slow.02:38
fdsdI thought it was amazingly fast02:38
GeneralAntillesPerhaps it was just the sites I was browsing02:39
GeneralAntillesLots of Web-2.0 stuff. ;)02:39
fdsdit feels like google maps when your resizing02:39
GeneralAntillesI'd really like to see Nokia go in the direction that Apple is interface wise.02:40
fdsdyeah me too02:40
GeneralAntillesStill though, I love me my N800.02:41
GeneralAntillesGreatest consumer electronics investment I've ever made.02:41
fdsdits nice02:41
fdsdI just wish I could merge the iphone and the nokia n800 together02:41
GeneralAntillesI'm kinda disturbed that application development has kinda ground to a halt on the Maemo platform, though.02:43
cesmanall you need is a cell w/ bluetooth DUN02:43
fdsdyeah.. I like what apple is working on, sharing the edge over wifi, internet sharing is very useful02:44
GeneralAntillesIf I could pull up a bash terminal on the iPhone I'd be all over that.02:45
fdsdGeneralAntilles, I will give it 3 months before we see that from hackers02:45
fdsdI think its cool that the hackers so far have figured out how to boot the device into single user mode, and they found hidden applications that are not on the menu bar like Dictionary and a network interface.02:48
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GeneralAntillesDictionary would be awesome02:48
GeneralAntillesI don't get why every mobile device doesn't come bundled with a dictionary.02:48
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fdsdapple should come out with a terminal type app for download02:50
fdsdsandbox the hell out of it02:50
alteregoIf they did that they know it would only be a matter of time before the whole OS was cracked and people started writing apps for it.02:51
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fdsdssh access app would be nice02:52
fdsdbeing able to ssh to my machines02:52
fdsdmaybe a web 2.0 app can do that..02:53
derfThere's absolutely ssh-on-a-webpage.02:53
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derfIf you trust it enough to type your password into it.02:54
pupnikfdsd: the MDA phone is a clamshell like that.  so is the sharp zaurus02:55
dick-richardsonthat intel internet tablet looks interesting02:58
pupnikfugly too03:00
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edtlooks like has coded its debs as application/x-archive03:09
edtthe installer does not know what to do with this03:09
edtyou can fix it by editing two files and running some update scripts03:10
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edtupdate the appliction's file in /usr/share/applications/hildon03:14
edtrun: update-desktop-database03:14
edtupdate the application's file in: /usr/share/mime/packages03:15
edtrun: update-mime-database /usr/share/mime03:15
pupnikedt amazing!03:15
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edtand it will find use the installer for application/x-archive03:15
pupnikwait edt, i think those are mistakes made by individual packagers03:15
edtnot sure03:15
pupnikthere is no central authority packaging debs on garage03:15
edtall I have checked today so x-archive including mapper which I (re)installed yesterday03:16
edtits the mime type supplied by garage on the download page(s)03:17
edtso I do think its garage that may well be at fault03:17
edts/so/say/ three lines back03:21
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dick-richardsonanyone have a good maemo mapper url?03:34
pupnik!google test03:38
GeneralAntillesAnybody been able to get 3rd party themes to work on the new firmware?03:41
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unique311not able to install kontorris nouvo theme04:01
unique311sucks only theme i really like04:01
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TimRikerIs this a known issue atm? Failed to fetch  302 Moved [IP: 80]04:06
TimRikerseems to happen for all packages.04:07
TimRikerI can wget them on another host, then scp, then install. but the package manager and apt-get both fail to install them.04:07
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* TimRiker notes the topic re logs... logs are also at...04:08
infobotfrom memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at<channelname>.html.gz04:08
TimRikerso that's if anyone cares. :)04:10
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||cwanyone know who's selling new 770's in AU?05:09 ship internationally?05:10
||cwasking for a friend, first he says they don't, then he says shipping would cost 70AUD so i don't know05:12
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GeneralAntillesReally, though, he should just get an N800.05:16
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pupnik_no sales in AU sadly05:24
rwhitbyI had to go to London to get mine.05:27
rwhitbyCouldn't even get it in HK airport.05:27
rwhitby||cw: (I'm in Adelaide)05:27
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unique311wtf, happen to java for the n800/77005:41
unique311all this hype over the new firmware just for skype.05:41
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unique311i would' ve been happier with java nokia...thanks for a second voip software.05:44
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pupnik_unique311: weren't some people working on java for n800?05:55
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unique311the guys at java...05:55
unique311and some other dudes working on jalimo05:56
unique311the new firmware to me in a way was hyped for skype.....05:57
unique311when other stuff should have  been.05:58
unique311happy with skype...but yet i cannot use my bluetooth headset with it.05:58
unique311i think the touchscreen fix is the best thing about the new firmware..05:59
unique311i don't have to press real hard at certain spots anymore...06:00
pupnik_ah nice06:01
unique311what would have been nice is fucking java....06:01
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unique311oh let me not even talk about opera browser being screwed up after the update..06:02
unique311scroll bar is screwed..06:03
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unique311fullscreen its not there..ok06:03
unique311going to take a screenshot of the mess.06:03
unique311alot of stuff missing..06:08
unique311next to the Yahoo ID: the box is missing..06:09
unique311only shows up when it feels like it.06:09
unique311scroll bar is missing..06:09
unique311which cuase the graphics on the webpage to be all fucked up on the right side..06:09
pupnik_so this is a new version of opera too?06:10
unique311oh man...the youtube video issue that thoughtfix brung up on the blog...06:10
unique311not a new version of opera..06:11
unique311just a version that doesn't seem to be getting along with the changes in the firmware..06:11
unique311youtube video is better..06:11
unique311but you have to wait till the whole video plays and then start from the beginning to get smooth playback..06:12
GeneralAntillesJust pause it and wait for it to finish loading06:14
GeneralAntillesThen it's fine.06:14
GeneralAntillesSwitch your theme06:14
GeneralAntillesswitch back06:14
GeneralAntillesOpera scrollbar will be fixed.06:14
unique311understand the theme fix...06:15
GeneralAntillesI'll poll this question again: anybody have any luck with 3rd party themes on the latest firmaware.06:16
unique311the youtube fix I don't like much...pause06:16
unique311i cannot install konttorri nuvo theme06:17
GeneralAntillesI agree, it's buggy as shit for no reason.06:17
GeneralAntillesBut, at least we've got Flash 906:17
GeneralAntillesIt's a START06:17
unique311ok, so my scroll bar is back..06:18
GeneralAntillesI'm still sticking to UKTUBE06:20
GeneralAntillesIt works well06:20
GeneralAntillesMinus the copy-paste irritation.06:20
egsavagei couldn't get uktube to work even after a couple of installs on my 770 running os2007-HE06:21
GeneralAntillesHaven't bothered to test it on the 77006:21
GeneralAntillesThat's just a book reader at the moment. ;)06:21
egsavagewell, no n800 here, just the newly purchased 770 from woot06:22
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GeneralAntillesFBReader plus Project Gutenberg and gnuetella06:23
egsavagei'll really be tempted to get the 'latest, greatest, fastest' model out when wimax is everywhere and supported in the device06:23
GeneralAntillesN800 is way better than the 77006:23
egsavageyeah, but the $135 price was sweet to me - half of the current n800 price... Hopefully more people will continue to upgrade and buy the recent models from Nokia06:24
egsavageactually, even less than half06:25
egsavageamazon is 357 now or something?06:25
GeneralAntillesI bought one, too.06:25
GeneralAntillesMostly for an extra battery for the N800. ;)06:25
egsavageoh, u get 2 batteries with it?06:25
egsavageor you need another because of the battery life? ;-)06:25
GeneralAntillesBattery life is great06:25
GeneralAntillesBut I'm going to be flying back and forth between Cali and Florida fairly often pretty soon.06:26
GeneralAntilles4.5 hours Atlanta to San Jose, 1 hour Tampa to Atlanta06:26
GeneralAntilles5.5 hours flight06:26
GeneralAntillesPlus whatever time I have to spend connecting06:26
GeneralAntillesI use it to play movies and TV shows06:26
GeneralAntillesWhich gets me about 3 hours of battery life06:27
egsavagei need to buy a 2gb mobile mmc card for the 770, then move the main filesystem to the mmmc card06:27
GeneralAntillesCan charge a little in the airport06:27
GeneralAntillesdon't watch for the whole flight06:27
GeneralAntillesThat's a nice speed upgrade, for sure.06:27
GeneralAntillesHave 3g access so I don't have to buy a wifi pass in Atlanta06:27
egsavageit looks like $40 or so is the going price for the 2gb card ... i did see some cheaper on ebay, but not sure what I'd end up with there06:28
GeneralAntillesThis SDHC corruption issue on the N800 is disturbing me.06:29
GeneralAntillesI was just about to pick up two 8gb cards, too.06:29
egsavagei didn't hear about that06:29
GeneralAntillesNot much info06:29
egsavagenewegg and some others i ran across06:29
GeneralAntillesA little bit of discussion on ITT06:29
GeneralAntillesI want 32gb SDHC cards so I can have 64gb in my N800.06:29
egsavagethat would be awesome06:29
GeneralAntillesI encoded all of Metalocalypse onto the N80006:30
GeneralAntillesIf somebody hasn't heard of it I can just pull it out and show them.06:30
GeneralAntillesBe great if I could do that with South Park, too. ;)06:31
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rhysso what does media streamer look for06:43
pupnik_... media?06:43
rhysserver wise.06:44
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rhysi dont know exactly what that is? what protocol will do that? avahi kinda thing? i just want to know how to build the server for it.06:50
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teer2Hello - just got my N800 today.  I'm smitten.07:14
teer2You guys must enjoy writing programs for it.07:15
teer2Disappointed about OGG not being given it's due place on a Linux system, though.07:16
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EnigmaCurryI'm assuming that the N800's 'RSS' feed reader doesn't support Atom feeds.. is there a way to get my google reader atom feed on my N800 desktop?07:25
teer2I don;t think anyone is responding.07:26
EnigmaCurryoh well07:27
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JussiPIIRC is does support Atom. Try it anyway.07:27
EnigmaCurryit's possible I just typed the feed wrong (it's a really long url). Thanks, I'll try it again07:27
JussiPIt does support copy/paste you know ...07:28
EnigmaCurryI know.. I couldn't find the feed through the N800 browser though07:28
EnigmaCurrygoogle reader doesn't make it very apparent on the screen.. only in the src07:29
teer2Know how to modify the main menu on the N800 yet?07:29
JussiPRSS feed reader help says Atom is supported.07:29
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EnigmaCurryJussiP: cool.07:29
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EnigmaCurryteer2: yea, thanks. Although it's only been an hour since I first turned it on. I'm a newb07:30
teer2EnigmaCurry: Oh, can you tell me?  I couldn't figure it out.  I want to consolidate some directories.  Also I made a typo creating one directory and I'm looking to delete it.07:31
teer2Hmm, I installed Kilikali hoping it would play OGG media.  No dice.  I am not sure if it is trying to play them or not, but there's no sound coming out.  I thought Kilikali was okay with OGG media, at least that's what I read on a forum.07:32
EnigmaCurryteer2: You go to the control panel and go down to personalization. Then Navigation. Then Applications->Organize07:33
* thoughtfix wanders back07:34
teer2EnigmaCurry: Wicked nice!  Thanks07:34
teer2w00t!  I got the OGG songs playing07:35
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teer2I dumped all my MP3 files, and I would have been real sad if I couldn't get the OGG files I paid for working.07:35
pupnik_what did you use for playing ogg teer2?07:38
pupnik_thoughtfix: not a bad mockup for the nokia successor!  Do you think a clamshell (Zaurus/ Psion 5MX style) could sell well?  Or does it look too clunky and outdated?07:39
teer2Kilikali (I hope the Maemo team are good guys, because it opened their whole repository when I installed it.  Little scary.)07:39
teer2I had to also install the ogg-support package to get Kilikali happy.07:40
teer2So far it is better than the other media player, I think.07:40
thoughtfixI suck at photoshop07:42
thoughtfixClamshells have the advantage of screen protection but require being open for interaction07:42
thoughtfixIt's a balance of user desires07:42
thoughtfixAnd with a touchscreen, a slider makes more sense07:42
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teer2I need more applets07:45
teer2... more!  ... applets!  rraarrghh!07:46
EnigmaCurrythoughtfix: I have to thank you, your blog is what introduced me to the N800. Just got mine today.07:46
thoughtfixWow ... congrats07:46
thoughtfixI wonder how many people purchased tablets based on my writing.07:47
`0660must be quite many07:47
thoughtfixI've had no fewer than 20 people tell me so07:47
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thoughtfixSo I wonder how many are silent07:47
`0660doesn't directly relate to this, but there was a news story about n800 and skype in the second most watched news in finland yesterday07:48
EnigmaCurryWell, everyone in my office today was jealous.. so you've affected a few even indirectly07:48
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thoughtfixExciting. My liveblogging of the new N800 firmware was front-paged on digg (my first time) and I got 10x my usual traffic that day and double my usual traffic every day since. Apparently Skype is a very big deal.07:49
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thoughtfixOh yeah... I moved to a new office to train some people in a new call center today and everyone said "What's that?"07:50
thoughtfixAnd started drooling as I explained it07:50
`0660did you train them to sell n800? :)07:50
thoughtfixI need to print new business cards07:50
teer2Awww crap... Flash Player works on the N800 ?  Flash Player doesn't even work on my Linux computer!  Son of a gun.  What kind of chip does the N800 have?07:50
thoughtfixbut am 3/4 of the way to changing from ThoughtFix to ThoughtFix, LLC07:50
thoughtfixI wish I got money from Nokia07:51
thoughtfixbut they're nice to me and accessable07:51
thoughtfixand that's all I need as a journalist07:51
teer2should have been selling ads, dude.07:51
`0660you would probably lose your credibility if you worked for them :)07:51
thoughtfixI have AdSense ads but they suck. I'd prefer a real sponsor07:51
EnigmaCurryWhen I saw your youtube videos at first I thought you worked for Nokia.. or maybe CNet or somerewhere like that07:52
teer2Gotta sell yourself - I'm trying to do that with my site before it pops07:52
thoughtfix`0660: I may lose credibility in pimping Nokia products, but most of my blog is on what you can DO with it... that won't change.07:52
`0660you're right on that07:52
thoughtfixHigh praise, EnigmaCurry... Thank you. I'm a one-man shop07:52
thoughtfixI want to finish forming the blogs into an LLC so I can insure myself.07:53
thoughtfixAs it stands, one lawsuit can wipe me out07:53
`0660so you live in us? :)07:53
thoughtfixPhoenix, AZ USA07:54
cesmanthoughtfix, I'm laughing w/ you07:54
teer2Home of GoDaddy07:54
cesmanas I'm in the same boat...07:54
thoughtfixI applied for GoDaddy a long time ago...07:55
thoughtfixI could apply again07:55
thoughtfixbut I've been at this company 5.5 years with 5 job titles07:55
thoughtfixand their online application is HARD to fill out with that.07:55
teer2they run a lot of linux07:55
* cesman thought GoDaddy switch to MS a few years back....07:56
teer21+ million linux systems, if you count virtual machines07:56
teer2huh - you can turn the n800 into a gps machine?07:57
thoughtfixTwo ways. Open-source Maemo Mapper or commercial Nokia N800 NAVKIT07:58
teer2... well, I figured you would agree, I'm reading your forum post.  ;)07:58
thoughtfixMaemo Mapper works with your own Bluetooth GPS and the NAVKIT comes with a GPS, car charger, 2GB memory card, car mount, and software07:58
teer2You are like a one man authority on N800s - that's cool07:58
teer2Especially when nokia is so known for secrecy of product.07:59
teer2Can I set myself up with GPS on this n800 for cheap?07:59
thoughtfixHaha. Yeah... My pre-holiday speculation at a CES launch of the 880 (what became the N800) didn't make NOK happy because it cut into holiday sales08:00
thoughtfixBut my coverage of the tablets since and after made up for it and they were REALLY nice at CES08:00
teer2oh - now you tell me.  ;)08:00
teer2oh, what became the N800 (whew!)08:00
thoughtfixWe were all calling it the 870/880 at that point08:00
teer2Yeah, actually, I was looking at the N700 when I heard about the N800 coming out on the Internet.  I am one of those who waited08:01
thoughtfixdidn't know it made it into the Nseries08:01
thoughtfixBetween us it kinda bugs me when people call it the N770. The Nseries is their flagship multimedia line. The 770 wasn't part of that.08:01
thoughtfixNow I sound like a Nok marketing rep08:01
teer2You've lost me, but I promise not to mention anything other than my new love, the N800, ever again.08:02
thoughtfixOh no08:02
thoughtfixI was just clarifying... it's the Nokia 770, not the Nokia N77008:02
teer2Oh - gotcha08:02
thoughtfixYou can see how high-end the Nseries devices are at nseries.com08:03
thoughtfixthey even have their own site08:03
thoughtfixI WANT the N93i, but I am stuck on Verizon08:03
teer2I bought a nokia cell phone just because I wanted it to be compatible with the N800 bluetooth.  :)08:03
EnigmaCurryI saw the POI screen on your navicore video thoughtfix, but didn't read anywhere about street addresses. Can you navigate to typed in street addresses?08:03
teer2How many hits do you get on your site, thoughtfix?08:04
thoughtfixEnigmaCurry: That's a problem with the POI database.08:04
thoughtfixteer2: I don't discuss specific numbers yet... not until I recruit sponsors08:04
thoughtfixbut it's a low traffic site since it's a niche platform08:04
thoughtfixI've had over a half million pageviews, but that's over time.08:05
teer2My site is for a niche area too, but, like you, I am hoping it pops and the site is the "established authority"08:05
thoughtfixI also own but that's not even as popular as tabletblog08:06
teer2Too bad everyone is iPhone crazy right now, though.08:06
thoughtfixnot too bad.08:06
teer2This thing is waaaaaaay better than the iPhone (he says, never having seen an iPhone)08:06
thoughtfixIt's being panned as weak by the top journalistic dogs like Pogue and Mossberg08:06
thoughtfixIt's a fascinating device. If it had Flash, A2DP, Bluetooth DUN, and 3G, I'd have spent $599 for it08:07
teer2Iphone doesn't do WiFi, does it?08:07
* EnigmaCurry wonders if the N800 will blend?08:07
thoughtfixbut browsing the web without flash is asinine and the other ones are features I REALLY need08:07
teer2Bluetooth + Tablet = Internet in my Pocket.  I can't stand how cool that is.08:08
`0660i wish it was possible to block ads in n80008:08
teer2I can literally08:08
`0660or maybe i should just turn off the flash in it08:08
teer2put my cell phone and N800 in my pocket08:08
EnigmaCurryArg. Why did I have to get a blackberry?08:09
EnigmaCurryit doesn't work with the N80008:09
pupnik_0660 if you can find a convenient way to get lists of ad sites, you can add them to /etc/hosts as
Luria0660:you can run privoxy on your n80008:09
teer2  Copy this over your hosts file.  Done and done.08:10
Luriabut you have to set up the proxy for every connection profile individually08:10
teer2I helped work on this project.  It is awesome.08:10
teer2(he says, with no modesty)08:11
`0660thank you!08:11
teer2`0660: you betcha08:11
teer2Mike, who runs the website hosting the file, could use a couple bucks to help his expenses.  If you're really thankful, you could make a donation.  (Just a thought.)  I've known the guy for a while (over the Internet) and he's kept this service up and running for years without fail.08:12
teer2I just mention it because I think it is an important project.  I was out of work for four months and just helped him update and update and update that list.08:13
pupnik_nice.  It might also be possible to parse the popular firefox adblocker lists with a script08:14
teer2And, pupnik_ is right, you can use a proxy to get rid of the error messages08:14
pupnik_can we disable opera's "could not connect to server:" popups or are those js-generated...08:14
teer2Which do you think is better and easier: Setting up an application to get into the N800 shell, or setting up a SSH server so I can access it remotely?08:17
teer2(I don't even know how to see my host file yet!!)08:17
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pupnik_ssh is the first thing I install08:17
thoughtfixI just had the greatest thought08:18
thoughtfixBlendtec blenders08:18
teer2Take that to IPO, man!08:18
`0660ssh is really good08:19
thoughtfixJohn Wayne Gacy and Dahmer and others got caught when their stashed bodies got found ... but if they had a Blendtec...08:19
thoughtfixI should keep some thoughts to myself08:21
teer2Sounds delicious.  Okay - next question - where do I get instructions for installing SSH.  :)08:21
thoughtfixIt's in the repository08:22
thoughtfixcalled dropbear08:22
teer2:(  Application Manager -> Add -> Drop bear?  I don't see that.08:23
teer2Lots of crappy, proprietary skype packages, though08:24
thoughtfixdropbear sshd.08:24
thoughtfixdo you have the maemo-hackers repository?08:24
teer2I think the repository list changed when I one-click installed Kilikali08:25
teer2But otherwise, I haven't seen how to see the repository list08:26
EnigmaCurryCan the default PDF reader flip 90 degrees.. or am I going to have to use a different reader?08:28
teer2Do I download dropbear from the Maemo site?08:28
thoughtfixOr I could make a Public Service Announcement: "Beware. If you visit someone's house and they have no fresh fruit nor Margarita mix but do have a Blendtec blender, they are a serial killer."08:30
teer2Are the application manager's Catalog functions the same as Repositories ?08:30
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teer2I have the Tuomas Kulve catalog present, at least.08:31
teer2Oh, I see how to set up the hackers one now08:32
teer2cesman: thank you.08:34
cesmanyou're welcome08:35
teer2Okay, added the hackers to my list.  *fingers crossed that I don't end up downloading someone's rootkit*08:35
teer2You Maemo fellows are good guys, right?08:36
teer2Sure seems like you put together a good collection of tools08:36
teer2I'll be happier when I can check out the source code08:36
teer2Sorry if I sound unappreciative of all the work you must have done to port these apps!08:37
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`0660don't be sorry :)08:38
`0660i think everyone will be happy if you download the code and start submitting patches :)08:39
teer2SSH server got installed... and?  I'm not seeing step 2... hmm...  No new menu items..08:39
`0660it's started already08:39
teer2Even if I could get to port 22, what's the user name?  password?08:39
`0660open a connection to the device as root08:39
`0660the password is "rootme" (change it instantly)08:39
`0660why? :)08:40
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teer2funny password08:40
teer2that's awesome08:42
teer2What is /media/mmc2 ?08:43
teer2Maybe just a placeholder... hmm...08:44
thoughtfixThey're both SD card slots08:44
teer2Thought there was just one?08:44
`0660there's two08:44
thoughtfixThere are two SD card slots08:44
teer2That's sick.  I love it.08:46
EnigmaCurryCan you install an application to an SD card.. or only to the N800 itself?08:46
thoughtfixCurrently only to the N800 itself08:46
thoughtfixSome apps can store data on the SD cards08:47
thoughtfixLike the camera, GPS software, media softare08:47
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EnigmaCurryAnyone run out of space on the N800 for apps? ;)08:48
teer2Okay, so I know now why Tiger Direct was encouraging my purchase of a 2 pack of SD cards.  Glad I got both - for 4 GB total extra space.  Amazing amount of space.08:48
teer2lol  - I am running vi on my phone.  Long have I awaited this day.  *lightning*08:50
teer2<- easily pleased08:50
* EnigmaCurry was looking for emacs but couldn't find it.. probably too big anyway.08:50
teer2Pow.  I broke your stuff.08:51
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teer2Sorry about that!!  I didn't realize how much was in my buffer.08:54
teer2So my shell is spewing errors at an alarming rate, but the GUI is still holding up just fine.  Unfortunately, I can't open a new session to SSH to kill processes.08:55
EnigmaCurryHave you guys seen Works like a charm on the 80008:56
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thoughtfixMy friend John coded it :D08:57
EnigmaCurryit's a godsend, I *almost* started to regret the 800 purchase when I saw how horrible google reader looked... but all is well now!08:58
teer2So I think dropbear has a bit of a buffer overflow issue.  I am going to reboot the unit, I guess.08:58
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teer2Really sorry about the flood.09:00
pupnik_i didn't.  thanks EnigmaCurry09:03
pupnik_i love that nick btw09:04
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pupnikusing synergy to steer two PCs, a laptop and a nokia is so fun. :)09:04
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teer2Hi - anyone not have me on auto-ignore?  Where is the "Documents" directory in the shell?  I saved a file in the GUI and I can't find it in the SSH shell.09:11
teer2nm - I put it on the SD card09:11
teer2Oooh - sorry - didn't think it would be hidden09:16
`0660yeah, don't know why they would hide it09:17
EnigmaCurrysynergy2 works on the 800? This I've got to try!09:27
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teer2So ... awesome ... zzzzzzz... (falls asleep snuggled up to his N800)  zzzzzz.....09:31
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_Monkeyque tal, latzko09:45
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latzkoIn sbox x86  target, the virtual keyboard never comes up - none of the applications- it says GLIB WARNING ** default - Unable to get the window id. Have you ever met this?09:48
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EnigmaCurrypupnik: Does synergy work only with some applications? I've got it working but I don't see a mouse cursor on the 800 when I move my mouse onto it.09:49
latzkomaybe install is incomplete but I dunno how and why..09:49
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EnigmaCurryI can use my PC mouse on the N800 inside a pygame application that uses the mouse, just no where else :(09:52
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polac_Hi to everyone! One question:10:13
polac_Can I access my PC's usb ports while inside scratchbox10:13
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pupnikhi polac_ i don't know10:34
pupnikpolac_: if you need to transfer data, you can certainly do it outside of scratchbox and copy into a SB directory10:34
_Monkeysalut, pupnik10:34
pupnikheya.  If anyone here is a webdesigner please be careful not to make the site use CPU heavily10:35
polac_pupnik: I would like to debug my program that uses usb first inside the scratchbox10:39
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melmothpolac i think it would be useless: you are using your host kernel in scratchbox10:39
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melmothso any usb device thingy you may play with wont be necessarily the same on the device itself10:40
polac_melmoth hmmm... good point.10:40
pupnikpolac_: i also see no entries under /proc/bus/usb in scratchbox10:41
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polac_So I probably need to get 770 to test my app10:42
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stddoubtanyone knows if it is possible to install LAMP(Apache; MySQL;PHP) platform on nokia n800?10:46
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inzstddoubt, it should be, LNSP (Linux; Nginx; SQLite; PHP) is trivial10:47
inzstd, I dunno if apache is the best choice with such limited memory though10:49
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therilpolac_: If the usb is handled via ioctl or device node via /dev it should be usable in scratchbox11:02
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therilAlso scratchbox could be hacked hack to access the /proc thru a symlink in /mnt11:04
infobottheril meant: Also scratchbox could be hacked hack to access the /proc thru a symlink in /tmp11:04
stddoubt:inz Mysql is not possible?11:04
stddoubtI need php and mysql11:04
therilI see no reason why mysql couldn't be run, but it's quite resource intensive11:05
JaffaMorning, all11:07
stddoubtis there any guide on how to install that type of software?11:08
AD-N770good morning11:09
melmothstddoubt, it really does not sound like a good idea11:10
melmothat least consider sqlite11:10
therilstddoubt: You'll probably have to compile it in scratchbox and create a deb package11:10
melmothor better, think about your _real_ problem (ie what will the php application actually do? cant you do the same with something that would fit in a tablet ? )11:10
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pupniktablet-as-webserver is, silly like a monty-python political candidate, imo :)11:12
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janiwas about to say that try sqlite but it was mentioned ..11:13
stddoubtis it possible to run drupal in slqlite?11:17
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janipropably if it has good enough db abstraction ..11:18
therilI think it doesn't11:20
therilBut my drupal code reading is from 04 or something11:20
janisome older versions might have some patches.. atleast thats what our friend google said =)11:20
stddoubtthns gonna checkit out11:21
therilI think that mysql is better choice for drupal11:22
therilEven on tablet11:23
stddoubtI need the quickest solution I can find11:23
stddoubtand with the least trouble11:23
polac_theril my app uses libusb. can it be hacked to use /tmp (where usb is mounted). probably too complicated. I just wait few days and test it in the actual device.11:24
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stddoubtwhere can I find the php and apache package?11:27
janipolac_:  if your app/lib is using hardcoded file to access it, you can allways symlink ?11:28
janior ioctl which would be directly available. dunno how that would work via arm emulation thou.11:29
janiwhat sort of usb device it is ?11:29
TadafumiDid anyone compile OpenVPN and create Maemosized package for N800 by yourself? I refered but my N800 says "Not Installable" :(11:29
polac_my app uses lib (which i made) that uses libftdi that uses libusb11:29
janithat doesnt really mean anything to me.11:30
janii think the main issue is, how does libusb access the hardware..11:31
therilBTW, /sys/bus/usb is accessible11:32
polac_lsusb could be nice11:34
inzstd, there's no apache package, you need to build it yourself11:37
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inzstd, same for MySQL11:37
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inztheril, the php5-fastcgi is most likely easier with nginx11:40
inz(dunno if thttpd supports fastcgi at all)11:40
therilinz: Probably11:41
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__Nikos__Is there a debian package for sdl-net in order to install it on a nokia n800 device? Should i build it myself?13:13
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lardman__Nikos__: There are other sdl packages about. No reason to assume sdl-net isn't among them. And these are n800 specific packages, not debian ones afaicr13:26
lardman__Nikos__: Or have you found others and sdl-net wasn't among them?13:27
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__Nikos__I just build an app using sdl-net and now want to install the package on the device13:33
__Nikos__Can't find it13:33
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X-FadeIf the next tablet has multi touch support, this xserver might be handy..
lardman__Nikos__: What machine?13:41
__Nikos__lardman: nokia n80013:42
lardman__Nikos__: I see sdl_net for my N80013:43
* lardman wonders if there's an easy way to list his repos13:43
eugenewhat theme is it?
__Nikos__lardman: you mean you see the libraries in a directory?13:43
lardman__Nikos__: I see it available in the app installer13:44
__Nikos__ lardman: let me check...13:44
X-Fadeeugene: Plankton with different icons?13:46
lardman__Nikos__: See here, add and
__Nikos__ lardman: why i can't see the same...should i add these repositories?13:47
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lardman__Nikos__: I also have, but I don't think it's from there13:47
lardman__Nikos__: Yes, try adding them13:47
eugeneX-Fade: plankton? not familiar with this13:47
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X-Fadeeugene: Then you are really missing out :)13:47
eugenegoogling for it now13:48
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eugeneX-Fade: where can i download it? garage says "This project has not released any files."13:49
X-FadeInstall in that order!13:49
cy-plankton is a good theme eh?13:49
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eugenei hope nothing goes wrong with my n800 if i forgot to stop charging it for 2 days13:51
lardmanAre there any screenshots of plankton?13:51
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melmothbahh, sometimes i dont charge mine for more than a week13:51
pupniko  m  f  g13:51
X-Fadelardman: About every program on downloads has screenshot with plankton :)13:51
eugenemelmoth: i mean, i overcharged it for 2 days13:51
melmothohh.. i dont know, i never try :)13:52
pupnik  Hacking Democracy - The blatant Diebold fraud13:52
eugenemelmoth: hopefully it is able to stop charging once it reached it's max13:52
melmotheugene, well, you ll tell us :)13:52
cy-pupnik: heh yeah I saw that13:52
pupnikthey stored the votes in plaintext on cf cards?!13:52
eugenemelmoth: :/13:52
pupnikyou could pre-bias cards before the voting with negative numbers?!13:52
pupnikthat's criminal.13:53
lardmanX-Fade: Okay, thanks13:53
X-FadeIt is also the default community theme in Sardine..13:54
_Monkeyokay, X-Fade.13:54
eugenetrying it now13:54
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florianhi all13:55
cy-So is the new firmware considered Chinook then?13:57
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X-Fadecy-: Chinook will be the next mayor OS upgrade..13:57
cy-k, so this is still bora even though it's 4.x13:58
X-Fadecy-: I think it will be more like 2008OS ?13:58
cy-I just flashed13:58
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eugeneany idea how i can remove the background pic?13:59
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eugenefound it13:59
eugenewhats the default wallpaper for plankton?14:00
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__Nikos__lardman: for this repository which components must i define?14:03
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eugene__Nikos__: that's an awesome link.14:06
__Nikos__eugene: hope i ll find there sdl-net14:07
suihkulokkithat's a horrible page14:09
jumpulasuihkulokki: have you looked at the recently? :) most of the pages are like that.14:11
eugenesuihkulokki: hey14:11
jumpulanow, i think, most of the links work :]14:11
suihkulokkipeople creating their own repositories for each and every app...14:11
suihkulokki...that depend on packages on other repositories...14:11
suihkulokkithat SO no howto be friendly to users14:11
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__Nikos__ lardman:  have add the three repositories but still no solution. Do you have others? What is exactly the name that you see in the application manager14:21
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eugeneif plankton has a default wallpaper, that would be great. now it looks weird :)14:29
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MikhoDoes anybody have idea what "matchbox-wm: X error warning (0x380002a): BadWindow (opcode: 12)" means?14:35
Mikhoor "qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting"14:36
Mikhoafter the error X is left running but maemo crashes14:36
eugeneit's ok. i got it from the svn. somehow it's missing from the deb.14:37
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inzMikho, the BadWindow sounds like matchox trying to do configure a window that has been deleted14:39
inzMikho, in Xproto.h, there's #define X_ConfigureWindow              1214:39
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Mikhothe error came when I was running my app. First the leftmost toolbar disappeared, and when I closed my app, maemo didn't come back up14:41
inzMikho, you most likely want to do scratchbox debugging on an i386 rootstrap14:42
inzMikho, qemu isn't all perfect and can (will) cause unexpected SIGSEGVs14:42
Mikhoi see14:42
MikhoI couldn't reproduce the error14:43
Mikhobut this isn't the first time it came14:43
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Mikhoin addition to qemu, eclipse, cdt, laika and glade aren't all perfect either. I've managed to crash them all14:46
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inzwasn't probably even too hard?14:47
pupnikMikho: i saw someone else with that qemu error14:47
Mikhobut I'll switch to i386 for development14:48
Mikhoone imperfect component less14:48
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Mikhook now, laika refuses to change the target :&14:54
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Mikhowow, there are 53 eqmu processes still running on my pc15:01
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alteregoAnyone got JavaME working on the N800?15:15
Jaffaaleksandyr has, there's a page on about it too15:17
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alteregoGreat, there's a postal strike tomorrow, so the chances of me recieving my N800 are not very likely ^_^15:31
* alterego cries "boo hoooooo"15:31
GeneralAntilles"We need more money because we're trying really hard to work as little as possible."15:32
GeneralAntillesGovernment workers have it good.15:32
GeneralAntillesThey should just STFU.15:32
alteregoI wouldn't mind, but when we give them more money, they just put their prices up :D15:33
alteregoIt seems to happen every year. One day a year Royal Mail goes on strike. It's so tedious.15:34
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alteregoI was looking forward to a weekend of hacking the N800 and now what? I guess I'll just have to do some actual work and read about hacking the N800 ^_^15:34
melmothalterego, you dont need the device to start using scratchbox15:37
alteregoI have set up scratchbox.15:37
alteregoBut the things I want to hack I do need the device :D15:37
alteregoI have a GPS module that needs about 100mA @ 3v I want to use with USB OTG Hostmode.15:38
alteregoI'd like to work on TV out.15:38
alteregoAnd possibly look into the PowerVR chip.15:39
melmothhmm, yeah, for this kind of stuff , you may need the device :)15:39
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alteregoWell, I'm happy reading up on the developer mailing lists for now :)15:40
alteregoI do have a lot of catching up to do. I've not done anything maemo in about 2 years :D15:40
GeneralAntillesIf PowerVR gets drivers I'll kill myself.15:40
zuhalterego: How do you plan to acheive those? Hardware hacking?-)15:40
alteregoThe PowerVR chip is about getting drivers set up.15:41
alteregoYou can obtain the drivers from the manufacturer. Only problem is. I don't think they're armel.15:41
alteregoThe TV Out well, I have a strong suspicion that nokia has actually already wired it up to the same jack as the headphone socket. Ala N95 et al.15:42
alteregoLooking at the OMAP2420 kernel tree, getting TV Out to work is a no brainer :)15:42
suihkulokki...after soldering15:42
EnokAfter installing the new IT OS 2007 version ssh:ing to N800 has become very laggy, even when pinging it at the same time which worked before15:43
alteregoWiring it up is impossible. I'm betting on it already being wired up to their "Nokia AV 3.5mm connection".15:43
X-Fadealterego: If it works like the N95, that would be really great ;) My N95 on my TV is really nice.15:44
GeneralAntillesalterego: the drivers are binary and for the 2.4 kernel.15:44
alteregoI'm guessing they're doing a similar thing they did by hiding the existance of the FM reciever I think :)15:44
N800alterego, when you get your n800...all these projects you will be working on?15:45
X-FadeWell, there was this setup on the N800 launch. Where they showed Navicore on a large tv on the N800..15:45
suihkulokkiusing vnc15:45
X-Fadesuihkulokki: Yeah, probably :)15:45
alteregoGeneralAntilles, I'm pretty certain I saw a 2.6 driver, but yes. I could be wrong.15:45
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X-Fadesuihkulokki: Or exported X display..15:45
alteregoOr Svideo ^_^15:45
alteregoDid anyone see the setup?15:46
zuhalterego: So you are going to put out the cash for the drivers or are you planning to write some?-)15:46
alteregozuh, I'm pretty sure they're working on the drivers themselves.15:47
unique311why not bombard the powervr site with emails...asking them for armel drivers15:47
alterego2.6 armel drivers ;)15:47
X-FadeThere are 2.6 drivers. The Pepperpad has them..15:48
alteregoI signed up for a developer account on the website last night and there was a tick box saying "Would you like to be notified about N800 drivers?"15:48
alteregoThe pepperpad uses a different chip X-Fade15:48
eugeneweird. make zImage doesn't build vmlinux with debuginfo even though CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y15:48
gla55_wasn't pepperpad geode?15:48
alteregoThe pepperpad has an intel chip if memory serves me correctly.15:48
gla55_i'm not sure either15:48
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alteregoSure, still a MBX format but I don't really know much about the interface of these chips.15:49
alteregoI'd just love to see OpenGL ES working on the N800 ^_^15:49
alteregoI still think that nokia are working on the drivers.15:50
alteregoThey already have the license for the N95, why can't they use it in the N800?15:50
zuhI bet it's per device15:50
alteregoFeckin' con artists ;)15:51
alteregoNot per chip?15:51
X-Fadealterego: I just measured the composite output on the N95 cable in my N800. Gives 6.69MOhm. The audio plugs give about 180Ohm..15:51
unique311microsoft tactics15:51
alteregoThe chips are identical.15:51
alteregoIt wouldn't suprise me if Nokia decided on the OMAP2420 for the N800 _because_ of the N95 ..15:51
alteregoX-Fade, doesn't mean much. The kernel has to enable the TV out.15:52
X-Fadealterego: For your information, I tried the N95 remote too. Doesn't seem to do much there either..15:53
alteregoN95 remote?15:53
alterego(I don't have an N95) ;)15:53
X-FadeYeah, the headset control thingie..15:53
alteregoRight. Well, why would it? :P15:53
alteregoCompletely different OS you realise ;)15:54
X-FadeAlso 4 part 3.5 plug..15:54
X-FadeYeah, so no hidden already implemented feature ;)15:54
alteregoThat observation is somewhat meaningless.15:54
alteregoCheck out the N800 internals. There's some detailed images of the PCB look at the headphone jack and tell me it doesn't look weird to you :P15:55
unique311it does...15:55
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alteregoBut like I said, obviously I don't know. This is all guess work.15:56
alteregoBut I would like to investigate it when I get my N800 .. Eventuall ..15:56
X-FadeJust rip it apart and start measuring ;)15:57
alteregoI'm not going to take it apart :P15:57
alteregoThere's no need for what I want to do :)15:57
alteregoI've already seen in great detail what it looks like on the inside. Probably better with my shite eye sight ^_^15:58
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eugenedoes anyone have any idea why make zImage does not build a kernel with debuginfo even if CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is y?16:05
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pyhimysDoes anyone else have audio/video sync issues with uktube?16:27
pyhimysShould I just try to download the video again?16:28
pyhimysIt plays the video at double(?) speed16:28
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tigertwow, that sounds like its really fast!! :-)16:36
pupnikeugene: i dunno - does debug info go through syslog?16:37
eugenepupnik: debuginfo == meaning the dwarf info in vmlinux16:38
X-Fadetigert: Did you see that Plankton is broken on Sardine?16:38
pupnikok i am clueless sorry16:38
pupnikthat's a funny sentence, X-Fade16:38
eugeneit does seem like it is not compiling the kernel with -g16:38
tigertX-Fade: how is it broken?16:39
X-Fadetigert: The toolbar buttons seem missing in the template..16:39
tigertX-Fade: completely?16:39
X-FadeSo that gives a rather big mess.16:39
tigertah ok16:40
tigertprobably a snafu with layout.txt16:40
tigertwe'll fix it16:40
tigertright now I am very busy and then theres guadec16:40
X-FadeYeah, they are mentioned in the gtkrc. But they are not available..16:40
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tigertbut I'll see16:40
tigertprobably accidentally deleted from layout, or there is a typo16:40
eugenetigert: is this the wallpaper for plankton?
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tigerteugene: its current test wallpaper16:41
tigertits a bit weird :)16:41
eugeneyeah :/16:41
X-FadeI tried out sardine again, but it was horribly broken again. Random noice on the screen where there are no images..16:41
eugeneare there less weird test wallpaper? :)16:41
tigerteugene: < this is the original btw16:42
X-Fadeeugene: I actually like that one :)16:42
tigertI'll try to do ones, now the wallpaper is 800x480 instead of a strange mid-size16:42
eugenetigert: colour don't seem to match :) but the theme is nice16:42
eugeneX-Fade: heh16:43
tigertyeah it was just quickly recolored for testing the transparency stuff16:43
tigert < try cropping from this?16:44
tigertmight look nice as wallpaper16:44
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lardmanalterego: As you say there are 2.6 drivers, just not for download16:46
lardmanalterego: I imagine the problems with implementation are related to the fact that they need to write a Linux kernel module to run the hardware, plus a Linux implementation of OpenGL16:47
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eugenefinally. i suspect that somewhere is broken16:47
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OgMacielmorning all!16:48
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Mikhook, I have changed the scratchbox target to i386, but now I can't run my app because it complains about SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD being not set. But why should I need cputransparency if I'm compiling for i386?16:48
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X-Fadelardman: MontaVista Linux v2.6  OpenGL ES v1.1 and OpenVG 1.0 SDK based on OMAPSW vL8.11 BSP16:49
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lardmanX-Fade: Ah, now that's interesting16:50
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X-Fadelardman: It is :)16:53
lardmanX-Fade: I assume there are binaries for opengl in there + a kernel module16:54
X-Fadelardman: I used to have an account there, but it doesn't seem to work anymore. Or I forgot my password ;)16:55
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lardmanX-Fade: Ah, mine still works, I'll download and see what it's got inside (but opengl binaries + kernel module was what the 2.4 version had)16:58
X-Fadelardman: Yeah, I downloaded the old one once..16:59
lardmanX-Fade: Still doesn't help much as the kernel module is the wrong version and the hardware may or may not be hooked up in the same way17:00
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robtaylorluck^: I'm loveing my new python an pycentral pacakges.. almost all gusty packages build withou changes now. just occasionally forcing python2.517:03
luck^robtaylor, great!17:04
robtaylorluck^: I hope you and aCiDBaSe do get the chance to look at stripping it down a bit :)17:05
luck^robtaylor, what we need to do in order to put python2.5 inside ubuntu's repository?17:05
luck^robtaylor, for sure17:05
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ttuttleCan the N770 charge over USB?17:05
robtaylorluck^: I don't understand the question, can you reprase?17:05
luck^robtaylor, sorry.. its about your idea to better organize python for maemo.. we talked on monday, i think17:06
luck^the idea was to use python2.5 from ubuntu17:06
robtaylorluck^:ah yeah, well if you pull the packages from my repo, its all done for you17:07
robtaylorluck^: all the source is up there and i've doent detailed changlog entries17:07
aCiDBaSerobtaylor: today we've some differences in our python package (for speed up startup and reduce the package footprint)17:07
infobotrobtaylor meant: luck^: all the source is up there and i've done detailed changlog entries17:07
lardmanX-Fade: Hmm, zip file containing an exe which extracts another zip file!17:07
robtayloraCiDBaSe: yeah, i know. this is basically just the ubuntu/debian python2.5 packageging ported to maemo17:07
aCiDBaSerobtaylor: for example... we put all our standard python modules inside a .zip and apply some patches to modify the python import machinery...17:08
robtayloraCiDBaSe: it'd need a bit of work to cut footprint a bit. You're peobably the most experienced person at that :)17:09
robtayloraCiDBaSe: the important thing is thata) its only a small diff fromthe standard packaging and b) produces -minimal and -dbg, so its simple to build otehr packages from ubuntu/debian without changes17:10
ttuttleCan the N770 charge over USB?17:10
robtayloraCiDBaSe: python-central, docutils and defaults are also available in my repo17:10
lardmanyow, pvr.ko is 1002kb in size17:10
aCiDBaSethe other thing is: we've changed the "semantic" of -dev packages... in our python for maemo the -dev packages contain the "standard -dev" + development modules like pdb, hotshot, distutils, etc.17:11
ttuttleoh.  that sux.17:11
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robtayloraCiDBaSe: you'll have to let that go, or use Replaces: Provides: appropriately17:11
robtayloraCiDBaSe: but using provides: doesnt help if packages have versioned build depends17:12
robtayloraCiDBaSe: one possible (nice) solution is to make the zip at postinst time, then you can zip everything up17:12
devaCiDBaSe: at least distutils shouldn't be in -dev as it is used by setuptools17:13
robtaylordev: yeah, and thats soemthing needed at install time17:13
aCiDBaSedev: setuptool is not the right way to provide packages to maemo... if you need to provide packages for maemo you need to create a .deb package...17:14
devaCiDBaSe: and even at runtime17:14
aCiDBaSeyes... I really like the idea of python-central but i think that there is a lot of work to make  this works... and our priority now is: provide a full support to maemo platform (aka python bindings)17:15
luck^robtaylor, are you using git?17:15
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devaCiDBaSe: sure, but 'm not talking about installing17:16
robtayloraCiDBaSe: well, you can ignore my work, but i already have it working for me :P17:16
robtaylorluck^: nope, not yet17:16
aCiDBaSeno... we'll not ignore your work... we will use it in the (near) future...17:16
robtayloraCiDBaSe: do you zip the precompiled py, or just the source?17:17
aCiDBaSebut we zip with -0 flag17:17
robtaylorhmm, pycentral does that17:17
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aCiDBaSegood... i didn't know that...17:18
robtaylordh_pycentral is a debhelper program that will scan your package, detect public Python modules and move them in /usr/share/pycentral so that python-central can byte-compile those for all supported Python ver‐ sions.17:19
aCiDBaSeand put them in a .zip file?17:19
robtayloraCiDBaSe: no, but i think we could have a modified pycentral for maemo that does that17:20
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ttuttleWhat does it mean if the sound icon on my N770 has a red slash through it and is grayed out?17:21
ttuttleOh, it's mute.17:21
ttuttleI get it.17:21
ttuttleI thought mute just set it to zero.17:21
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aCiDBaSeto be honest: we've a roadmap for python bindings and we need to talk about this plan with our coordinator...17:23
luck^but I think its totally possible to have this taks included17:23
vmarkshello there: foolish question time: I am trying to find an xmms2 client for 770. I have looked and must not have looked in the right places, because I can't find one yet. I'm willing to take the esperanza 0.3 sources and try and compile them, but I'm unfamiliar with maemo, - I'm mostly familiar with ubuntu on desktop.17:24
vmarksso if someone can point me in the right direction, much appreciated!17:24
luck^I just need to learn more about pycentral, etc17:24
aCiDBaSedoes the current maemo's debian-helper has the dh_pycentral?17:24
aCiDBaSeargh... sorry about my english :/17:25
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tigertI HAS YOR PYCENTRALZ!!11 :)17:25
robtayloraCiDBaSe: i think that's provided by python-central17:26
ttuttleaCiDBaSe: It's okay, you're better than most IRC users who speak English natively ;-)17:26
tigertaCiDBaSe: the english is fine, no worrink!17:26
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robtaylortigert: I OWNZ ALL YOUR CODEZ!17:26
aCiDBaSerobtaylor: ok. we'll take a look at python-central...17:26
ttuttleI'M IN UR N800's BLUEJACKIN UR PHONEZ!!!!111!17:27
tigerttheme tools makes "interesting" themes when you accidentally export just a single rectangle from inkscape as the template :)17:27
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ttuttletigert: Minimalist?17:27
aCiDBaSe...because "all our base is belog to us"17:27
tigertttuttle: cubist, rather :)17:27
tigertvery transparent :)17:27
* ttuttle wants to make an entirely automated bluejacking program, that sets his device name to "Enter 6831 to continue..." (picks a random PIN), then tries to pair with every device in sight until they accept, then tries each cellular provider on each phone until it gets through to the 'net.17:28
luck^robtaylor, your repository url is the same?17:31
robtaylorluck^: yeah17:31
ttuttleHow's the Hacker upgrade going?17:31
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bstockman the intel q6600 processor on newegg jumped from $480 yesterday to $660 today for some reason17:34
ttuttlebstock: If that's the 2.4 GHz one, I heard it's dropping to somewhere in the $250-350 range soon.17:35
ttuttlebstock: My next desktop is *totally* gonna be quad-core.17:35
ttuttlebstock: Or maybe octo-core.17:35
bstockyeah it's supposed to drop to $266 on the 22nd or 23rd or somewhere around there17:35
ttuttlebstock: It's great, as a Linux user, to watch the Windows users get diminishing returns with more cores, as I get almost perfect speedups in compile times.17:36
bstockbut yeah, i'm totally upgrading my dual core to quad core when that chip drops17:36
bstockyes i agree. i have the dual core 2.93 ghz chip here at work17:37
bstockrunning ubuntu17:37
bstockand you can definitely tell a difference with more cores. i can't stand it when i have to use single core machines any more17:37
ttuttlebstock: I've got a dual 2.0 GHz in my laptop, with 2 GB of RAM.  Too many people don't realize that RAM is gold.17:38
ttuttlebstock: You can have 200 processors, but they'll all sit idle waiting for the disk if you don't have copious RAM cache for the disk.17:39
bstockmy laptops are single core :( that's probably why i barely use them anymore17:39
ttuttlebstock: Yeah, I got a nice fast one =D  It runs a little hot (around 70C, or 75C if it's been running for really long) but used to run even hotter (98C) until Dell replaced the fan.  Problem is they put the fans on the bottom, so they suck up dust and become useless.17:40
ttuttleDoes the maemo python runtime come with python imaging library?17:41
bstockyeah i have a dell laptop inspiron 8600 and an acer tablet, both are ~2ghz but single core. i'd really like to get a macbook one of these days17:41
ttuttlebstock: Get a ThinkPad.  They're better.17:42
bstockbut last time i bought an iMac, about a month later they upgraded them from the core duo's to the core 2 duo's17:42
ttuttlebstock: You should've seen that coming ;-)  Now that they're using Intel chips, you know when the chips come out.17:43
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robtaylorluck^: ah, damnit, cdbs python support gets confused that execing python doesnt give python$(pyversions -vd)17:46
dnearyNo sign of Quim?17:47
dnearyCan someone in the Helsinki office ask him if he has a minute to come on IRC, please? I'd like to have a word with him17:47
ttuttledneary: He's probably afraid of us ;-)17:48
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dnearyttuttle: Why, do you have horns & spit fire?17:48
bstockanyone know if there are any dual-socket lga775 motherboards?17:48
ttuttledneary: I might ;-)17:49
robtaylorluck^: might need to get nchip to put a patch in devkit-debian :(17:50
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ttuttleI know it's fully insane, but is there any place I can get a working toolchain that runs *on the N770*?17:58
dragornwell, you could compile it with scratchbox17:59
dragorntake the deb src packages for the toolchains17:59
dragornyou won't much like the results tho :P17:59
ttuttledragorn: I know.18:00
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Jaffattuttle: downgrade to IT OS 2005 and use Debian/ARM ?18:03
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suihkulokkidragorn: It should work18:03
ttuttledragorn: Understanding that I know almost nothing about Scratchbox, could I do this easily?18:05
dragornttuttle: probably.  sb is the compile environment for the 770 (and has all the toolchain compiled as arm already, running inside qemu)18:05
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ttuttledragorn: So I just need to install sb, and then what?18:07
dragornfigure out the deb build process :P18:07
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dragornin theory it might just be a source package rebuild.  The command for which I have no clue at the moment.18:08
ttuttledragorn: Can I do dpkg-repack?18:09
mrbenwould this be a good place to ask about backup/restoring applications for an n800 firmware upgrade?18:09
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dragornttuttle: No idea, I don't use debian18:09
mrbennamely, would dpkg --get-selections do the job, along with a sources.list?18:10
hrhris the n800 can manage lvm volumes?18:10
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hrhrsorry........can n800 manage lvm volumes?18:10
gla55_i'd just say no with default kernel as a hunch..      why would you?18:12
eugenek-s[WORK]: i have a good news.18:13
eugenek-s[WORK]: i got systemtap working on n800 :)18:13
eugene/media/mmc1 # staprun stap_ef7c58450bc9dec9284bd24ba394b5c5_7253.ko18:13
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k-s[WORK]eugene: great :-)18:13
eugenenow, i'm going to update my livejournal with more info.18:13
eugeneprofiling n800 would be more interesting now.18:14
k-s[WORK]eugene: anything in mind?18:14
k-s[WORK]app or what?18:14
eugenek-s[WORK]: i have some ideas. things that have been done bfore, i.e. olpc.18:14
eugenek-s[WORK]: say, first, finding out all the bad apps that do polling, etc18:15
ttuttledragorn: So what do I need to set up to cross-compile?  What's with the i386 sdk stuff?18:15
eugenek-s[WORK]: then find out how we can speed up boot-time, or at least, find out how the bootup is like :)18:15
eugenethere's a website that plots pretty boot graphs18:15
k-s[WORK]eugene: cool18:15
eugenek-s[WORK]: not sure, but what's your ideas :) anything in mind?18:15
k-s[WORK]eugene: have you used qemu or qemu-user (scratchbox)?18:15
eugenek-s[WORK]: next thing is probably see if i can get uprobes working.18:16
eugenek-s[WORK]: not yet.18:16
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ttuttleWTF?  Do I install scratchbox then the Maemo SDK, or does the Maemo SDK install scratchbox?18:16
k-s[WORK]eugene: how did you managed to compile your systemtap stuff?18:16
eugenek-s[WORK]: i'm writing a how-to now :)18:16
k-s[WORK]ttuttle: depends on which script you got18:16
k-s[WORK]ttuttle: both exists18:16
eugenek-s[WORK]: i'm so happy :)18:17
ttuttlek-s[WORK]: /me whines.  Can you just point me to which one I need to cross-compile things?18:17
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ttuttleWhat parts of Scratchbox do I need?18:19
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lardman|afkJust the toolchain tarball really18:20
lardman|afkbut you'd be better off installing scratchbox too18:20
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ttuttlelardman|afk: /me is totally confused.18:20
ttuttlelardman: Will one of the toolchain tarballs simply have the binaries I need to package to have a toolchain?18:20
lardmanI think so18:21
trevarthanIs there a watchdog on the n800 that reboots it automatically after a certain number of hours?18:21
ttuttlelardman: (I mean a toolchain on the N770, of course.)18:21
ttuttletrevarthan: 64 seconds, I think.18:21
lardmanttuttle: Oh, no. It's a cross compiler18:21
ttuttlelardman: No, I need a compiler *for the N770 itself*.18:22
lardmanttuttle: You want a native toolchain on the 770?18:22
ttuttlelardman: Yes.18:22
ttuttlelardman: (I know it's insane.)18:22
lardmanttuttle: You need to compile a compiler using the cross-compiler then18:22
ttuttlelardman: Nobody's got a package for it?18:22
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lardmanttuttle: It's so insanely slow that no-one's bothered to compile one I imagine18:22
* lardman has used compilers on the Zaurus. Too little memory and too little time to wait for it18:23
lardmannot to mention the lack of space back in those days18:23
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lardmanttuttle: What do you want to compile on your 770? Why do you want a toolchain?18:24
ttuttlelardman: Zope.18:25
lardmanttuttle: as in
ttuttlelardman: Yeah.18:25
lardmanttuttle: The wikipedia page says it's written in Python18:25
ttuttlelardman: Some of it's C, I think.18:26
ttuttlelardman: At a minimum, it needs make.18:26
ttuttlelardman: Actually, I think it's all Python inside the Makefile.18:27
lardmanttuttle: Do you have a Linux box? Compiling on device is a real pita.18:27
ttuttlelardman: Wait, it mentions "binaries" in some places.18:27
ttuttlelardman: I'd rather compile on it, because cross-compiling will take too long to set up.18:27
lardmanttuttle: :D18:27
melmothttuttle, you will loose more time trying to compile it on the device18:27
lardmanttuttle: You'll still be waiting for it to finish the configure script this time next week18:27
ttuttlelardman: I mean I do have one.18:28
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lardmanttuttle: You'll waste vast amounts of time trying to build a native toolchain (which btw requires that you setup scratchbox + cross-toolchain), then trying to package the tools that you'll need18:28
ttuttlelardman: If you can tell me really clearly how to do this, I can do it.  But I don't have the energy to dig in to Scratchbox a lot.18:29
lardmanttuttle: In that case you won't like building your own toolchain.18:29
ttuttlelardman: Good, I won't.18:29
lardmanRight, let me find the destructions18:29
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ttuttleDoes anyone have at least a make package?18:30
melmothwhat will you do with make and no compiler ?18:30
lardmanttuttle: Read this file:
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lardmanttuttle: You basically download a few tarballs, extract them (scratchbox, toolchains, etc.), then start scratchbox and setup targets18:31
lardmanttuttle: Takes ~30min excluding download times18:31
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ttuttleSorry, I forgot to mention that I'm running amd64 :-\18:32
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dragornttuttle: Download vmware, install ubuntu-32, follow those instructions (honestly I wouldn't let scratchbox have full run of a system I cared about anyhow, I don't trust it's bind-mount voodoo)18:33
hrhr_how I can download something without device ID from nokia site?18:34
JaffaIt is supposed to be possible to get Scratchbox running under AMD64:
ttuttlelardman: I've got a somewhat slower x86 box I can use.18:36
Jaffahrhr_: ask someone with a device handy to give you theirs/look at the MAC ID of the device in the FCC filing docs/an unboxing slideshow18:36
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ttuttleJaffa: It's already under control ;-)18:41
ttuttleJaffa: I don't have an N800.  Perhaps someone with an N800 ought to speak with hrhr.18:42
lardmanJaffa: I've got IA64 running and scratchbox is fine, though I do have 32bit libs installed too18:43
ttuttleSho_: HEY!18:44
timtimhey, someone bought into IA64!18:45
Sho_ttuttle: What? *wakes up*18:45
ttuttlelardman: You mean amd64 or x86_64, not ia64.  ia64 is Itanium.18:45
JaffaHe *might* mean ia64 ;-)18:45
lardmanhmm, perhaps I said the wrong thing. 64bit Linux running on a Core Duo18:45
lardmanno, I was wrong18:45
timtimaww, damn it. that means we cant ridicule your arch for flopping.18:46
ttuttleWell, em64t is not all of amd64, I think.18:46
ttuttletimtim: lol18:46
hrhrttuttle: em64t near the x86_64 without some AMD features18:46
lardmantimtim: Well if that's what it sounds like you could ridicule me for having had a machine with RAMBUS18:47
JaffaAnyone got a gtkrc from a Maemo theme file handy18:47
ttuttlehrhr: Yeah.  /me loves his Core 2 Duo.18:47
timtimwell you bought it! ddr was cheaper! :)18:47
timtimby orders of magnitude ;)18:48
lardmantimtim: and rambus was supposed to be the best thing ever; until you wanted more of it that is :D18:48
hrhrttuttle: what core2duo you have?18:48
* mgedmin once had a 486 with a VESA local bus...18:48
||cwI knew a guy that got a rambus system, I ridiculed him18:48
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||cwVLB was awesome18:49
timtim486 is luxury. my first pc was 8mhz 808618:49
ttuttleMy first PC was a 33 MHz 486.18:49
ttuttle4 MB RAM.18:49
||cwkids, my PC loaded programs off tape18:49
||cw4k of ram18:49
ttuttleWe got the "multimedia upgrade" which had a sound card (Ensoniq SoundScape), a CD-ROM drive (with a really powerful eject motor!), and 8 MB extra RAM.18:49
ttuttle||cw: Awesome, which one?18:50
lardmanI had an IBM PC18:50
ttuttle||cw: I've got a couple of Timex Sinclairs at home.18:50
||cwhad the expansion that could do speach synthesis too, was freaking awesome18:50
||cwsounded almost as good as flite on my 770 too18:51
* mgedmin saw a speaking Tux droid recently:
||cwand all I had to do was: print #1, "take me to your leader"18:52
ttuttle||cw: That rocks.18:52
||cwttuttle: especially since it was in the mid 80's18:53
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lardmanIs there something wrong with a2dp that means it uses excessive cpu, or is this normal (
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lardmanhmm, site's down or not responding18:59
lardmanah well, have a nice evening all19:00
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keesj||cw: wow , did you also have the (MBX)?
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||cwno, I havd the newer plastic one too.  in the picture with all the expansion modules, the little one is what I had19:15
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Brenduhhas anyone tried a java type program on the 770?  I'm finding reference to a few, but can't find them or how to install them19:39
BrenduhI found JamVM, I guess I will see if I can install that19:41
Brenduhok maybe someone can answer this question.  If a program says it will work on ARM, does that mean it will work on the 770?19:43
`0660but it just might19:45
Presence_arm vs armel?19:45
Brenduhhmm then I wonder if the jamvm will work, it says it's will work with:  Power PC, i386; ARM; ARM64;MIPS19:45
Hyperion|n800is there a good spreadsheet program for os2007?19:48
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`0660yes, gnumeric19:53
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eugeneExperiences getting SystemTap work on Nokia N80020:21
eugeneSystemTap for Linux is similar to what Dtrace is for Solaris20:21
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suihkulokkieugene: nice, really nice20:29
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Xenon3DNAnyone here familiar with USB hacking on the N770?20:50
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dragornyes.  set to master mode w/ the flasher tool, build a cable which injects power, add a power source.  The 770 is fairly easy.20:55
dragorns/master mode/host mode/20:55
infobotdragorn meant: yes.  set to host mode w/ the flasher tool, build a cable which injects power, add a power source.  The 770 is fairly easy.20:55
Xenon3DNIf the device you're hooking up doesn't need host power, do you still need power injection?20:57
zuhYes, IIRC20:59
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Xenon3DNSo, it just needs to see power on the pin to wake up the onboard USB chipset, right?21:02
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Xenon3DNCould I feed it power tapped form the 770's own battery?21:02
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Presence_why not use a wireless usb with a powered dongle21:03
Xenon3DNBecause the goal is to make a compact, portable device to control a USB-attached Canon digital camera.21:04
Xenon3DNRather not haul along another device if it can be avoided.21:04
Xenon3DNJust wondering if I can fool it with its own power with a wire wrap wire or such.21:04
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cbx33hey all21:18
cbx33is the repo to get xchat from safe?21:18
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{abo}'ello :)21:18
{abo}I was wondering... It should be possible to run Maemo in QEmu, right?21:19
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zuhXenon3DN: Maybe a suitable voltage battery would do? Guys at the office had a hack like that with a USB headset (but that draws power so it drained pretty quickly IIRC)21:20
{abo}I'd like to just have a look at what the interface is like and such, before I buy a Maemo-based device.21:21
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{abo}zuh: You're talking about powered USB?21:22
||cw{abo}: has a howto21:22
zuh{abo}: You can only run some parts of it, the non-free software are not available.21:22
||cwand I think there's even a vmware appliance with a minimal ubuntu with the stuff presetup21:22
{abo}I couldn't find the info. Hmm, yeah, google: vmware/qemu maemo might work...21:23
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zuh{abo}: And yes, connecting a USB peripherial to a 770 without a "hacked" hub21:23
{abo}Yeah, some proprietary bits missing, that's expected.21:23
cbx33so if you have to build softeware from source like for example nmap21:24
cbx33how do you do it?21:24
cbx33in scratchbox?21:24
{abo}That would be awesome because I can get a USB thingy for laptops that gives me a wireless internet connection at up to 3.6 Mbit/s, for a rather modest fixed monthly cost. But doesn't work with N800. :(21:24
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{abo}So... is trustworthy? Well, I'll run it in a QEmu sandbox anyway so doesn't matter, but anyway...21:29
{abo}Looks fairly official. :)21:29
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Xenon3DNzuh / abo : I'll let you know if I can fake the USB "phantom" power using the N770's own battery. We could haul along another battery, but that's sort of against the goal of the project. ;)21:37
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trevarthanDoes anyone know of a cheap bluetooth serial dongle? I want to control serial devices via bluetooth. Like
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zuhXenon3DN: The one we had was a camera flashlight battery IIRC and was "embedded" (in the "put some electric tape over it" sense) to the connecting coord. That didn't make it a big thing to carry...21:44
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Xenon3DNMakes sense. I'll see if the 3.7v from the Nokia's battery is enough to trigger it, and if not, will go the other way.21:44
X-Fadetrevarthan: Check the carman reviews. Those mention a bt->serial convertor they use in combination with the other hardware..21:46
trevarthanok. I actually want a bluetooth to i2c adapter, but I'll take bt -> serial. :)21:47
Xenon3DNFroogle suggests this:21:47
{abo}I guess I'll just get a cellphone with UMTS+Bluetooth. :)21:48
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Xenon3DNIf you're not afraid of soldering, here's some ideas:21:49
Presence_you can always get an inline battery tube21:50
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ttuttle{abo}: I did.  It's awesome.21:57
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{abo}ttuttle: I bet :)22:00
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danilo_Hey, Why maemo's browser does not support proxy address?22:05
Presence_YEah, that sucks22:06
Presence_its proxy everything, or nothing22:06
Presence_not per app22:06
danilo_I've tryed to made a tsocks port for maemo. To use with SSH Tunnels. But it dosen't work with default browser22:06
Presence_I want to do the same22:06
danilo_it works with some applications (like wget, minimo browser),  but didn't work with others (like skype and opera browser)22:06
Presence_ssh tunneling works22:06
Presence_BUT the browser doesnt care22:07
Presence_anything cli it will work dan22:07
Presence_you could get elinks22:07
Presence_and set http_proxy22:07
Presence_elinks is a text browser22:07
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danilo_Ok.... but,  my tsocks's port had worked with minimo (mozilla's browser).... So I can have a graphical browser with socks... But I could not understand why some applications do work and some applications dosen't... Pidgin, for example, did not work. By pidgin works with tsocks on my desktop.22:09
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Presence_probably because its been removed to taper it down22:11
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DaniloCesarIn this vacations I'm decided to port's some programs to maemo..... But I'm just "half-successful" with tsocks =P22:13
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metatronhow many people in here are actually on a n770/n800?22:24
metatronjust curious22:25
sbaturziometatron: you mean "connected to this channel with a n770/n800"?22:26
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Presence_Im on from my sparc22:29
Presence_irc from the 770 would be painful without a kb22:30
Xenon3DNI've done it, but am not right now.22:30
metatronyeah, i meant connected to the channel via a nokia it22:32
`0660i use whenever i don't have a pc with ssh available22:32
Presence_I probably will never use the 770 with my phone due to the data/tethering fees22:32
`0660and when i'm too lazy to get up from the bed :)22:32
Presence_so I would only have access when I have wifi...which greatly reduces the number of times the 770 is useful22:32
metatronyeah, a bt kybd is kinda key :-)22:32
Presence_meta: and expensive just to IRC from22:33
`0660how much do you pay for a megabyte? :)22:33
metatronjust wondering if im the only one22:33
`0660i think the thumb keyboard is just fine22:33
`0660a bit slow but works22:33
Presence_its $45/month for data and $15/month for tether22:35
Presence_$60/month for phone service limited by bluetooth bandwidth isnt worth it :)22:35
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Presence_now if I can only get the damn 770 to support WAPs that use WPA with LEAP it would be better22:36
`0660for me it's 1,5 euros per megabyte22:36
Xenon3DNI think Verizon charges USD$45 a month for unmetered data. I don't think there's a separate tether fee.22:37
`0660there was an unlimited 3g data with 10 euros / month couple of months ago22:37
Presence_I would rather pay per mb22:37
Presence_xenon: I have verizon22:37
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Presence_its $60/month unless you have a smartphone and dont tether22:37
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`0660irc doesn't consume that much traffic so i prefer to pay by the megabyte :)22:38
Xenon3DNI have a Palm Treo 650, but I haven't actually tried it. I'd been told I could get a data plan for $45, and I thought that would let me use BT DUN.22:38
`0660usually i get something like $7 per month for it22:38
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zyxulnagais there a way to find the original MAC address for the wlan0 interface in the nokia800 ? i.e. if it has previously changed with the ifconfig command and the sticker has disappeared from the back23:24
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mgedminzyxulnaga: wouldn't rebooting reset it?23:25
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zyxulnaganop, it won't23:25
zyxulnagait keeps what I change it too23:25
mgedmindo you have the box?23:25
zyxulnagawell I know the MAC of it, but I want to be able to do it for another reason23:25
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zyxulnagaI was hoping that it would be somewhere in /proc23:26
zyxulnagaor it will let me reset it to the original somehow23:26
metatronthe mac should be on the sticker23:28
metatronunder the back panel23:28
zyxulnagaI am aware of this23:28
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metatronand macchanger does set it back?23:29
metatron(sorry a bit late to the conversation)23:30
zyxulnagawhat's macchanger?23:30
zyxulnagaupon reboot it doesn't change to the original23:30
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metatronsearch the repositories for it23:31
metatronit should allow you to change your mac back23:31
metatronhow did it change in the first place?23:31
zyxulnagawith ifconfig wlan0 hw ether mynewmac23:32
zyxulnagametatron: does it retrieve the vendor mac address?23:32
metatronnot as far as i know23:33
zyxulnagait doesn't I just installed the latest one23:34
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metatronwhy dont you just manually reset it with ifconfig and the number on the sticker?23:35
zyxulnagait's part of something I am working on23:36
zyxulnagait has to be done automated23:36
metatronhow automated? cant pass the command to a shell/through a script?23:37
zyxulnagait's a bit complicated, there is no logical problem as to why I can't do it if I know the MAC23:39
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metatroni see, so you want to be able to retrieve the mac from the burned rom23:40
zyxulnagaor reset it23:40
metatroni thought you needed help resetting it for your own machine23:40
metatronhas the macchanger app in the repository23:41
metatrondunno if it helps23:42
mgedminoh, do I?23:42
zyxulnagaI already installed that23:42
zyxulnagait doesn't find the vendor supplied mac23:42
metatronperhaps its only stored in flash?23:42
metatronsorry, wish i could help.23:43
zyxulnagacan't speculate over this, there must be a way though since in a post-flash operation it resets to the original one23:43
zyxulnagathanks anyway23:43
metatronoh that is interesting23:43
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zyxulnagaI took out the flash and battery and it just got reset23:45
zyxulnagamust have been stored in some internal temp memory23:45
mgedmin"took out the flash"?23:45
mgedminhow do you do that?23:45
guardianmust be memory card23:46
zyxulnagaI mean the memory card23:47
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