| Presence_ | I might use it for wireless site surveys though | 00:00 |
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| _Shurik_ | yeah, your idea with proxy actyally does make a lot of sence | 00:00 |
| _Shurik_ | sense | 00:00 |
| _Shurik_ | especially with all the public wifi places | 00:00 |
| Presence_ | yep. | 00:00 |
| Presence_ | and the system can do it...just not the browser specific... | 00:00 |
| _Shurik_ | do you run your own proxy? | 00:00 |
| Presence_ | but if I can proxy it | 00:01 |
| _Shurik_ | right, that's what I would want | 00:01 |
| Presence_ | absolutely | 00:01 |
| _Shurik_ | encrypt everything | 00:01 |
| Presence_ | pivoxy | 00:01 |
| _Shurik_ | need to check it out | 00:01 |
| Presence_ | + tor when I really get pissed | 00:01 |
| _Shurik_ | tor? | 00:01 |
| Presence_ | I need LEAP though :) | 00:01 |
| Presence_ | The onion router | 00:01 |
| pupnik_ | i'll look into it | 00:01 |
| Presence_ | it splits packets between unknown and mostly unpredictable destinations | 00:01 |
| disq | trevarthan: the utf8 id tag or utf8_folder_name/album.jpg? | 00:01 |
| pupnik_ | got a link Presence_ ? | 00:02 |
| Presence_ | for tor, sure...its part of the eff now | 00:02 |
| trevarthan | disq: the mp3 file containing the id3 tag, perhaps? Or where I can buy it from? | 00:02 |
| pupnik_ | oh tor IS "the onion router" heh. didn't know that | 00:02 |
| Presence_ | http://tor.eff.org/ | 00:02 |
| _Shurik_ | paranoid much? :) | 00:03 |
| Presence_ | its not just http, but thats its primary use | 00:03 |
| suihkulokki | I thought spam and trolling was the primary use of tor | 00:03 |
| * suihkulokki ducks | 00:03 | |
| Presence_ | well | 00:03 |
| pupnik_ | given european ISP's data-caching requirement, i should really be tor'ing just out of principle | 00:03 |
| Presence_ | spamming, trolling, and hacking probably :( | 00:03 |
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| disq | trevarthan: any email i can send it to? | 00:03 |
| Presence_ | pownce might be useful for the tablet as well | 00:04 |
| trevarthan | disq: jesse@guardiani.us | 00:04 |
| _Shurik_ | alright, I'm outta here | 00:04 |
| _Shurik_ | cya all | 00:04 |
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| pupnik_ | cu | 00:05 |
| Veggen | mmmf. ,, | 00:05 |
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| phaxx | is there a way to mount the root filesystem of the 770 on another machine via USB, or can I only do that with the MMC card? | 00:10 |
| pupnik_ | i haven't neard of that being tried | 00:10 |
| Presence_ | it looks like its mmc or sd only | 00:10 |
| phaxx | I've gone and changed a permission on something, and now I'm getting that lovely white screen. | 00:10 |
| Presence_ | I dont wanna think about "reflashing" | 00:11 |
| Presence_ | that would suck | 00:11 |
| phaxx | it boots, and I can mount the MMC. it clicks when I press buttons, and I even get the little menu when pressing the power button | 00:11 |
| phaxx | but no UI | 00:11 |
| phaxx | and no way of making it connect to a network so I can ssh in. | 00:11 |
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| Presence_ | hmm | 00:12 |
| phaxx | :( | 00:12 |
| phaxx | the worst thing is, I#m abroad, in the middle of a long trip. just lucky to have access to somebody's laptop for tonight. | 00:12 |
| disq | trevarthan: sending (slow upload) | 00:12 |
| Presence_ | I wish it would auto-connect to wifi when its in range and has a profile...that would solve it | 00:12 |
| phaxx | might be handy. | 00:13 |
| pupnik_ | reflashing is pretty painless imo | 00:13 |
| derf | pupnik_: Your opinion is wrong. | 00:13 |
| Presence_ | pup: but you lose everything :) | 00:13 |
| unique311 | whats so special about wimax | 00:13 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 00:13 |
| phaxx | perhaps, but itäs the work after the reflashing I want to avoid :) | 00:13 |
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| Presence_ | I should find a safe "flash' image | 00:13 |
| phaxx | I have an rsynced copy of most stuff from a few weeks ago, but it's not everzthing. | 00:13 |
| Presence_ | you rsync over ssh or rsync to rsyncd? | 00:14 |
| pupnik | derf what's the main think you think should be improved in the reflashing process? | 00:14 |
| phaxx | over ssh. | 00:14 |
| unique311 | will it allow me to pick up a wireless signal and move long distances without dropping the connection | 00:14 |
| Presence_ | thats the best way | 00:14 |
| * phaxx shrugs | 00:14 | |
| phaxx | it worked. | 00:14 |
| phaxx | should have done one more recently. oh well. | 00:14 |
| phaxx | even having a package list from dpkg would be very helpful here. | 00:14 |
| Presence_ | I wont get to actually play with mine for a few days | 00:14 |
| derf | pupnik: The amount of time it takes me to gain root and reinstall and reconfigure applications. | 00:15 |
| Presence_ | I usually keep the packages so I know what they are :) | 00:15 |
| phaxx | heh. | 00:15 |
| Presence_ | whats the chance you could "dump" an fs to a remote box | 00:15 |
| Presence_ | does the nokia have "dump"? | 00:15 |
| pupnik | it has 'dd' | 00:16 |
| Presence_ | dd is close | 00:16 |
| Presence_ | should work | 00:16 |
| phaxx | use tar for a live szstem. | 00:16 |
| Presence_ | tar doesnt always do the right thing | 00:16 |
| Presence_ | even dd doesnt always do the right thing | 00:16 |
| phaxx | system, stupid german keyboard... | 00:16 |
| Presence_ | only dump can be setup to handle a live system properly | 00:16 |
| Presence_ | and it keeps track of your last backup :) | 00:17 |
| pupnik | i think backing up root filesystems can only really work if you have multi-boot and mmc | 00:17 |
| Presence_ | right | 00:17 |
| Presence_ | multiboot to the flash | 00:17 |
| Presence_ | then use dump to mmc | 00:17 |
| Presence_ | to do the mmc | 00:18 |
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| samiam010203 | anyone here using pownce on the nokia 770 ? | 00:21 |
| pupnik | wazzaat | 00:21 |
| phaxx | this may be a silly question, but where can I get the flashing utility for Windows? | 00:21 |
| Presence_ | it came on the cd with the device | 00:21 |
| Presence_ | sam: I dont think it exists | 00:21 |
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| phaxx | oh. let's assume I'm 1,000 miles from the drawer where that CD is. :) | 00:22 |
| samiam010203 | no pwonce is a website | 00:22 |
| samiam010203 | pownce is a website | 00:22 |
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| samiam010203 | phaxx the flasher is available on nokias site | 00:22 |
| phaxx | not from the same place the OS images are, unfortunately. I'll keep looking, ta. | 00:22 |
| Presence_ | I thought pownce was the new "digg" guy thing | 00:23 |
| samiam010203 | yes | 00:23 |
| samiam010203 | it is | 00:23 |
| Presence_ | I just mentioned it a bit ago | 00:23 |
| samiam010203 | i am using it on the nokia 770 with the minimo browser | 00:23 |
| Presence_ | it doesnt work? | 00:23 |
| Presence_ | or you want to test it | 00:23 |
| samiam010203 | but im trying for the life of me to get it to work with the opera broswer | 00:23 |
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| samiam010203 | for some reason you cant post to it from within opera browser | 00:24 |
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| pupnik | i like html 1.1 | 00:29 |
| pupnik | it' a bit inconsistent but it's simple | 00:30 |
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| gomiam | killfill: are you still there? | 00:32 |
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| koos__ | someone with gnome-vfs knowledge? | 00:43 |
| Presence_ | gnome on a nokia...man, that would be sloooooooow | 00:43 |
| Presence_ | its such a pig | 00:44 |
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| koos__ | Presence_: gnome-vfs is default installed (and only for I/O anyhow) | 00:44 |
| Presence_ | for the n800? | 00:45 |
| koos__ | both | 00:45 |
| Presence_ | hmm...Ill need to check the pkg then | 00:45 |
| Presence_ | I figured it would be a lightweight wm | 00:45 |
| koos__ | no, but it such non-the-less :-) | 00:46 |
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| koos__ | s/such/sucks/ | 00:46 |
| infobot | koos__ meant: no, but it sucks non-the-less :-) | 00:46 |
| Presence_ | heh | 00:47 |
| Presence_ | it looks like its just a library you can develop to | 00:47 |
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| koos__ | should have moved to curl .. | 00:48 |
| Presence_ | Im glad Im a network guy, and not a software guy | 00:48 |
| Presence_ | too much shit in software | 00:48 |
| Presence_ | I mean there is a language for everything | 00:48 |
| Presence_ | they couldnt just fix perl, or adapt c | 00:48 |
| Presence_ | everyone has to have their own | 00:48 |
| Presence_ | its like were in the 60s again | 00:48 |
| koos__ | Anyhow, the Q is how i get notified about url redirection for http request (I use gnome_vfs_async_open) | 00:49 |
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| koos__ | Presence_: because there is no open hardware :-) | 00:50 |
| koos__ | Presence_: you would have a network card for every application .. | 00:50 |
| Presence_ | hell its getting there | 00:51 |
| Presence_ | with the bladeservers and QOS | 00:51 |
| Presence_ | gots ta go...have fun all | 00:54 |
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| pupnik | cu | 00:57 |
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| Ginman | anyone get fceu to work flawlessly? the sound on my install is screwy and its a little slow | 01:07 |
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| pupnik | n770 or 800? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | there is a sound stuttering problem yes | 01:09 |
| Ginman | 770 | 01:09 |
| pupnik | i am hoping someday we'll see someone port the gp2x emulators to the nokia | 01:10 |
| pupnik | they are faster | 01:10 |
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| samiam010203 | ping thoughtfix | 02:02 |
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| danilo_ | Hi, someone here had this error on "apt-get dist-upgrade" with MaemoSDK ? maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb - dpkg returned an error code (1) | 02:03 |
| danilo_ | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file | 02:03 |
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| danilo_ | (Reading database ... 17848 files and directories currently installed.) | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | Preparing to replace maemo-af-desktop 2.9.99.23-1 (using .../maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb) ... | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | Unpacking replacement maemo-af-desktop ... | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/maemo-af-desktop.postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 126 | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb (--unpack): | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 126 | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | dpkg: error while cleaning up: | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 126 | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | Errors were encountered while processing: | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb | 02:05 |
| danilo_ | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 02:05 |
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| jpt9 | hey. | 02:09 |
| jpt9 | how's it going? | 02:09 |
| * jpt9 tried maemomapper with a BT GPS. | 02:09 | |
| jpt9 | quite fun. | 02:09 |
| jpt9 | except it was off by a couple of blocks :-) | 02:09 |
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| yzf600 | hello | 02:20 |
| danilo_ | HI! | 02:21 |
| yzf600 | I'm having problems installing the SDK for gregale. | 02:22 |
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| danilo_ | What problems? | 02:22 |
| yzf600 | I'm trying to follow the install guide on maemo.org | 02:22 |
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| yzf600 | I installed scratchbox-core-1.0.6, libs and devkit-debian | 02:23 |
| danilo_ | yes | 02:23 |
| yzf600 | but I;ve found references to both toolchain-arm-linux and toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc | 02:23 |
| yzf600 | do I install both of these, and do they get installed under scratchbox ? | 02:24 |
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| danilo_ | I think so! | 02:24 |
| danilo_ | But I'm not a expert on SDK... Its my first day.... | 02:25 |
| yzf600 | well the tutorial online doesn't match the scratchbox install commands | 02:25 |
| yzf600 | tutorial is wanting you to run sbox-config, but scratchbox tells me that command is old and to run sb-menu | 02:26 |
| yzf600 | sb-menu doesn't really map to well to the guide | 02:26 |
| danilo_ | Why are you trying to use gregale? | 02:26 |
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| yzf600 | What it basically boils down to is I can't run the " af-sb-init.sh start" script because my scratchbox environment can't find it | 02:27 |
| yzf600 | I'm using gregale because I have a 770 | 02:27 |
| danilo_ | hummm.. Its a good reason... lol | 02:27 |
| danilo_ | I dont know man.. I'm using bora 3.2 and its working fine... | 02:28 |
| danilo_ | all of this commands... | 02:28 |
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| danilo_ | sb-menu, af-sb-init.sh | 02:28 |
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| hein | Handhelds are evil ... I can't stop playing Bejeweled :/ | 02:31 |
| danilo_ | I want risk for Maemo!!! lol lol lol. It is a evil game... lol | 02:32 |
| hein | danilo_: Thank god the Freeciv port wasn't updated for ITOS2007 | 02:32 |
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| danilo_ | hein, We needs more games for Maemo platform.... I'm trying to port TEG (risk like's), but I'm having problem with libgnome.... | 02:34 |
| pupnik | there are a few Risk clones. Good work danilo_ | 02:35 |
| pupnik | yzf600: use the howto for 1.06 or 1.07 | 02:35 |
| hein | danilo_: The GTK+ stuff (and the input method being tied to it) has so far scared me away from dev'ing for it too | 02:35 |
| pupnik | sdl games are easy though | 02:35 |
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| danilo_ | Yes. I know that port GTK+ stuffs are not so easy..... But I'm a "porting newbe". So, please, do not scare me! lol | 02:38 |
| yzf600 | pupnik: I'm looking at the howto here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html | 02:38 |
| yzf600 | pupnik: is that the wrong one? | 02:38 |
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| pupnik | that's correct for gregale stuff, but some of the scratchbox things will be outdated | 02:38 |
| yzf600 | right, and that's most likely the problem for me | 02:39 |
| pupnik | i agree on the games thing danilo_ ... my works in progress are at pupnik.de | 02:39 |
| yzf600 | I've tried to go into uncharted territory with sb-menu, but I must be screwing up something | 02:39 |
| pupnik | at scratchbox.org you can get a HOWTO for newer scratchbox | 02:39 |
| pupnik | i don't remember many details but i used sb-menu also - let me know if you have questions | 02:40 |
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| danilo_ | pupnik, I saw your web-site yesterday. I was looking for your acmonitor | 02:40 |
| pupnik | ah yes. derf's - i just made it work for 770 | 02:41 |
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| yzf600 | pupnik: do you happen to know what toolchain is needed for 770 development? cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm or arm-linux2006q3? | 02:44 |
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| pupnik | i can check what i have | 02:45 |
| yzf600 | thanks | 02:46 |
| pupnik | cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is what i have here | 02:46 |
| pupnik | might be a newer one tho | 02:46 |
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| pupnik | Devkits: debian cputrans | 02:46 |
| pupnik | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 | 02:46 |
| yzf600 | so here I think is where I get into trouble - rootstrap install | 02:46 |
| pupnik | be sure your downloaded rootstrap is complete (tar tzf) | 02:47 |
| yzf600 | I select Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-minimal-rootstrap.tgz | 02:47 |
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| pupnik | that's the i386 cersion | 02:47 |
| yzf600 | but I also saw Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz online | 02:47 |
| pupnik | if you're setting up an armel target, you need the armel binaries for your target environment | 02:48 |
| yzf600 | so why would anyone want i386 binaries? I thought the 770 had an arm processor... | 02:49 |
| pupnik | you can run maemo apps natively on a PC with i386 stuff | 02:50 |
| yzf600 | oh | 02:50 |
| pupnik | i never use it though | 02:50 |
| yzf600 | ok | 02:50 |
| pupnik | sorry i don't know the exact filename you need for the root | 02:50 |
| yzf600 | why bother when you have a scratchbox environment? | 02:50 |
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| yzf600 | no problem, I'll go hunt around on maemo.org | 02:51 |
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| pupnik | it should be in the scratchbox howto | 02:51 |
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| yzf600 | I see 3 things - nokia_binaries, rootfs_nokia_binaries, rootstrap_nokia_binaries. Do I need all 3? | 02:53 |
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| pupnik | i downloaded them all but i forgot which the HOWTO tells to install when | 02:54 |
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| yzf600 | ok | 02:54 |
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| yzf600 | well the howto isn't so great | 02:57 |
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| yzf600 | and it tells me to install the i386 rootstrap | 02:58 |
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| yzf600 | So I just setup and sdk with the Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz | 02:59 |
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| yzf600 | those tar.gz archives have a bunch of .deb files in them. How do the underlying deb files get installed? automatically by scratchbox? | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | they do? i thought they'd just be a pre-installed filesystem | 03:00 |
| yzf600 | the i386 tar.gz is a pre-installed filesystem | 03:01 |
| yzf600 | I can see all the files when i tar -tvzf | 03:01 |
| yzf600 | damn this is frustrating | 03:02 |
| yzf600 | the howto link for Maemo SDK rootstrap from Maemo downloads is broken | 03:02 |
| yzf600 | the url for the link is this: site:downloads/download-maemo | 03:02 |
| yzf600 | firefox bombs on this saying it doesn't know know to handle the "site" protocol | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | heh | 03:04 |
| pupnik | Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz | 03:05 |
| pupnik | that's it | 03:05 |
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| yzf600 | ok, I found that file | 03:06 |
| yzf600 | I had to do a google search since the howto doesn't point to that file at all | 03:07 |
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| yzf600 | pupnik: thanks for your help | 03:08 |
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| pupnik | np | 03:08 |
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| yzf600 | well look at that - I found a TXT version of the install howto | 03:11 |
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| yzf600 | the web page looks like it was taken straight from the text file and the formatting got all goofed up | 03:11 |
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| yzf600 | oh man, I'm close to getting it running | 03:17 |
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| yzf600 | the armel rootstrap image worked and "af-sb-init.sh start" now runs | 03:18 |
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| pupnik | nice | 03:19 |
| yzf600 | but I get this error: /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 1: export: `:': not a valid identifier | 03:19 |
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| pupnik | my af-sb-init.sh is borkeded now - not sure why | 03:20 |
| pupnik | i just run my apps without the menu-system started | 03:20 |
| pupnik | of course they're just games... not using the hildon input | 03:20 |
| yzf600 | wait a minute - what exactly does the scratchbox environment buy you? Does it allow running armel binaries under my i386 host CPU? | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 03:22 |
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| pupnik | and compile for armel | 03:22 |
| yzf600 | ok, good | 03:22 |
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| pupnik | so now you can apt-get update and apt-get install packages | 03:22 |
| pupnik | if everything is set up right | 03:22 |
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| yzf600 | pupnik: can you recommend one of your programs I can try to install? I can install via dpgk -i also, correct? | 03:24 |
| pupnik | yes, but you will have to install dependencies manually first then | 03:24 |
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| pupnik | um. i stink at packaging | 03:26 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tecnoballz_0.91cvs20060616-2_armel.deb | 03:26 |
| pupnik | try that one pls | 03:26 |
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| yzf600 | will do | 03:27 |
| yzf600 | hold on | 03:27 |
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| yzf600 | ok, so dpkg looks to have installed techoballz | 03:28 |
| pupnik | does it show up in menu? or can you run technoballz from the command line? | 03:29 |
| yzf600 | executing /usr/games/technoballz, I get this: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 03:29 |
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| yzf600 | hmm | 03:30 |
| pupnik | go into sb-menu and look at the configuration for your arm target | 03:30 |
| pupnik | Show Show target information | 03:30 |
| yzf600 | compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm | 03:31 |
| _Monkey | cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is what i have here | 03:31 |
| pupnik | Devkits: debian cputransp | 03:31 |
| yzf600 | arch: arm | 03:31 |
| yzf600 | sub-arch: arm | 03:31 |
| pupnik | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 | 03:31 |
| yzf600 | c-lib: glibc | 03:31 |
| yzf600 | devkits: debian | 03:31 |
| pupnik | aha | 03:31 |
| yzf600 | cpu-trans: none | 03:31 |
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| pupnik | when you install devkits, you can install multiple ones | 03:32 |
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| yzf600 | so you think I need the cputransp kit? | 03:32 |
| pupnik | i think you might have to set up a new target for arm, and be sure to install debian and cputransp | 03:32 |
| pupnik | yes to run arm binaries on a pc, you need the cputransp and the qemu-arm | 03:33 |
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| pupnik | and you have to have qemu installed on the host operating system | 03:33 |
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| yzf600 | well the howto didn't mention anything about the qemu | 03:34 |
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| yzf600 | pupnik: qemu installing on host os now | 03:35 |
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| yzf600 | ok, so is qemu basically doing the same thing as Xephyr? | 03:36 |
| pupnik | qemu emulates the nokia cpu | 03:37 |
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| pupnik | xephyr is basically the X server | 03:37 |
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| yzf600 | I thought scratchbox did the emulation | 03:38 |
| pupnik | so xephyr is the nokia x server running as a user app within your real x server | 03:38 |
| pupnik | scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together | 03:38 |
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| yzf600 | oh | 03:39 |
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| yzf600 | either I'm really dense, or the maemo SDK howto really sucks | 03:39 |
| pupnik | it took me several days to understand what was going on | 03:40 |
| Radar | it's only as good as those that write it | 03:40 |
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| yzf600 | ok, new scratchbox target in the works with debian and cputrans | 03:41 |
| dick-richardson | anyone familiar w/maemo mapper? I'm having a tough time finding a good map url | 03:41 |
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| yzf600 | wheeeeeeeeee | 03:43 |
| yzf600 | technoballz is working!!! | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | :) | 03:44 |
| pupnik | Is the mouse control drifting? ON the real device i have some problems with the stylus / paddle | 03:44 |
| yzf600 | I'm not sure - I don't know what I'm doing | 03:45 |
| yzf600 | in the game that is | 03:45 |
| yzf600 | damn, I wish I could get the menu system running | 03:45 |
| pupnik | try googling the error you're getting in quotes | 03:47 |
| yzf600 | maybe I'll install the i386 maemo bootstrap as well | 03:48 |
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| RossVandegrift | hey everyone, wondering if something is up with the package repos? | 04:04 |
| RossVandegrift | For example, this link is busted: | 04:04 |
| RossVandegrift | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/a/apt/apt-utils_0.6.42.3osso13_armel.deb | 04:04 |
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| dick-richardson | I'm having a hell of a time finding working map url's | 04:07 |
| RossVandegrift | Am I just supposed to upgrade to gregale I guess? Those packages all seem to be downloadable | 04:07 |
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| RossVandegrift | well I just tried it and it seems that the answer is yes, mistral links are dead but gregale works fine to install overtop | 04:13 |
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| disq | looks like maemoscrobbler support is going to make it to the next canola release, indt people responded to my feature request. | 04:24 |
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| disq | i also posted a diff for UKMP 1.4, adding maemoscrobbler support. it's in garage ukmp page/tracker/patches. | 04:24 |
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| yzf600 | anyone seen this error in the SDK before? : Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherqemu: uncaught target signal | 04:25 |
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| yzf600 | ok, I'm off | 04:29 |
| pupnik_ | cu | 04:29 |
| yzf600 | thanks again pupnik_ | 04:29 |
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| pupnik | glad to help - come back soon | 04:29 |
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| yzf600 | I'll be back later after I've read more howtos and become totally confused | 04:30 |
| yzf600 | again | 04:30 |
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| yzf600 | /exit | 04:30 |
| yzf600 | whoopse | 04:30 |
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| pupnik | mplayer has trouble exiting cleanly for me on it2007he | 05:07 |
| pupnik | ah there it goes | 05:07 |
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| CtrlR | Is there a way to restore a 770 to it's default state? No extra apps or data? | 05:18 |
| danilo_ | How to open pidgin under command line on N800? | 05:19 |
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| disq | CtrlR: reflash the os | 05:19 |
| disq | CtrlR: get the nokia software updater from the nokia 770 site (nokia.com somewhere) plug in the usb and flash it | 05:20 |
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| killfill | i still cannot use my bluetooth earphones, can i? | 05:27 |
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| jga23 | is there any way to dynamically determine if the application is on a n800 vs non-maemo device? | 05:58 |
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| disq | you could try reading /etc/osso_software_version | 06:03 |
| disq | though not sure if it exists in older firmware | 06:03 |
| rocketman | Does anyone know of a way to exclude a directory from indexing by the metalayer-crawler on the n800? It is coming across my 80k+ MaemoMapper files and choking | 06:04 |
| disq | another way is to read /proc/cpuinfo (there's a hardware line towards the end) | 06:04 |
| disq | rocketman: it was discussed in one of the mailing lists a few months back (maemo-users or maemo-devel, not sure) just run a search for metalayer-crawler | 06:05 |
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| disq | it involved editing /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 and passing some arguments that specify where to search for | 06:06 |
| rocketman | I found this: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2007-01/msg00544.html | 06:08 |
| disq | yeah that's it | 06:08 |
| rocketman | I wish he had pasted a copy of his edited script or something | 06:09 |
| disq | in fact i'll do it too | 06:09 |
| rocketman | It would be nice if one could exclude directories and not simply say "only search here" | 06:09 |
| rocketman | I have never been a big fan of indexing programs in general | 06:10 |
| rocketman | I am viewing the script in nano right now, but not sure what I need to change/add | 06:17 |
| rocketman | My Unix script-fu is decidedly limited | 06:17 |
| disq | hang on a sec | 06:18 |
| disq | here's what i did: http://www.pastebin.ca/611924 | 06:19 |
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| rocketman | thanks, disq, that is helpful | 06:25 |
| disq | :) | 06:30 |
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| ericz_ | weird, my 770 just rebooted, no reason :/ | 07:00 |
| Ginman | it happens | 07:04 |
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| osiris_ov | i was wondering if anyone knew about abiword on the n800? | 07:21 |
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| ericz_ | what's the command to run password safe from xterm? | 07:25 |
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| trevarthan | disq: milhouse: I just commited some code for Kagu that dramatically speeds up the song list and now playing screen loads and next song changing. It also reduced memory consumption a bit. Here's the commit: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/125 and you can use this command to check it out via SVN: `svn co https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk kagu` | 07:52 |
| trevarthan | There's plenty more room for improvement where that came from too, but I'm going to move on to improving the selection interface next. It's fast enough for now. | 07:53 |
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| pupnik | scp keeps wavering between 80 and 220 KB/s to my mmc | 08:23 |
| pupnik | show us screenshots someday trevarthan | 08:24 |
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| ChannelZ | Does anyone know, if I use the flasher to enable USB host mode on a 770, does that stick until I change it back, or is it only active for that boot? (IE you run flasher, power on and hold Home, flasher finishes, then you pull the cable and it boots) | 09:11 |
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| uttam | hi all | 09:17 |
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| uttam | is it possible to run maemo on windows xp using QEMU or other emulators | 09:17 |
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| c0ffee | there are vmware images available | 09:25 |
| pupnik | yes | 09:25 |
| pupnik | for real work you'll need a few gigs free | 09:26 |
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| uttam | thanks...i will surely try that | 09:34 |
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| jani | i seem to have really weird problem with epic and this channel, topic overflows to textinput part of the screen.. | 10:26 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:42 |
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| gla55 | mornings | 10:49 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 11:20 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:26 |
| phaxx | does anybody have a copy of the 12pt os2006 themes? they're not on the original site anymore, and I can't find a mirror. | 11:26 |
| phaxx | ah, nevermind, I found them. he moved them to maemo.lancode.de | 11:29 |
| Ravn1 | I have a couple 770's on it's way to me. And after reading a review I have a question for anoyne here who might have an answer. I see that the usb connection has host capabilities. Here in Norway we have a cdma based high speed internet avaiable thru a usb "modem" this modem works plug'n play in all major linux distributions right out of the box with wvdial (acts like a serialport modem). The modem is self powered (batterypack). Would it be possible to connect t | 11:29 |
| Ravn1 | his modem to the 770's usb port and with wvdial let the device get online that way? | 11:29 |
| Veggen | Ravn1: I think you'll need to provide power to the USB port of the 770 anyways? | 11:31 |
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| Ravn1 | Veggen: Well, even so. If I get that port sorted, will the 770 be able to use a serialport modem to get online? I guess thats the way bluetooth works? Or am I totaly wrong here? (As I said I have not yet gotten the device, and my experience is with real linux) | 11:34 |
| Veggen | Ravn1: Well. You'll definitely get it to work, but you might need to mess around with dummy connections etc. to make the device believe it's actually online ;) | 11:36 |
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| Ravn1 | worth a try then. Fortunally the provider have a routerbox that you just power on and it then sets up a wlan where it shares the cdma connection, but thats a bit bigger box, and does not have a battery | 11:38 |
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| Veggen | even though the connection is different, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothnetworkingandconnectionmanager/ might help you with the fake connection type thing. | 11:46 |
| Ravn1 | Thanks | 11:54 |
| Ravn1 | would be great since 3g/edge prices are crazy | 11:55 |
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| g | hi All | 12:55 |
| g | help me please install xterm into my nokia n800 | 12:58 |
| inz | go to http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install with the browser | 13:02 |
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| lardman | Anyone here know much about game emulators? Specifically, what kinds of audio formats do they use (with an eye to what would make a useful DSP-sink task)? | 13:19 |
| lardman | In fact not just game emulators, games too. | 13:19 |
| unique311 | pupnik | 13:19 |
| unique311 | he deals with game emu's | 13:20 |
| lardman | thanks | 13:20 |
| lardman | pupnik: ping | 13:20 |
| unique311 | he's probably campaigning for ron paul...lol | 13:21 |
| unique311 | i know what will get his attention... | 13:21 |
| unique311 | RON PAUL SUCKS... | 13:21 |
| unique311 | <--- prepares for shock | 13:22 |
| gpd | any idea what 'WPA pre-shared key' versus WPA with EAP translates to on a Linksys router - totally different it seems | 13:22 |
| gpd | WPA-Personal with TKIP or AES <- that is my guess | 13:23 |
| unique311 | pre-shared is recommended... | 13:23 |
| unique311 | AES correct | 13:24 |
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| gpd | WPA2, PSK and PSK2 all not supported by N800 I guess | 13:24 |
| gpd | those are the other options on my router | 13:24 |
| unique311 | using wpa2 | 13:24 |
| unique311 | it supported.. | 13:25 |
| unique311 | N800 | 13:25 |
| gpd | hmm. rather stupid that it is called WPA then in the N800 menu not WPA2 | 13:25 |
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| unique311 | hmmmm | 13:28 |
| unique311 | weird.. | 13:28 |
| unique311 | i'm got security set to wpa2 pre-shared key only TKIP+EAS | 13:29 |
| unique311 | my n800 connects to it... | 13:29 |
| milhouse | wpa2 is supported, i think | 13:30 |
| unique311 | guess it falls under wpa | 13:31 |
| unique311 | thats the setting i just used to configure connections on the N800 | 13:32 |
| unique311 | has to be supported...my router is set for that security mode... | 13:32 |
| unique311 | unless i just guess someone else using wpa with the same ssid name and password i'm using for my router... | 13:33 |
| gpd | yup - works under wpa2 - there is even a setting in the advanced pane for 'wpa2 only mode' | 13:35 |
| unique311 | anybody seen the movie "Room 1408" | 13:37 |
| unique311 | worth seeing? | 13:37 |
| gpd | I have seen the trailer... | 13:37 |
| gpd | http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/1408 | 13:38 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 13:58 |
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| inz | X-Fade, I think your "cancel-menu" -bug is fixed in sardine | 14:36 |
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| X-Fade | inz: Haven't had the time to test sardine yet. | 14:39 |
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| inz | X-Fade, the "bora" version of HildonWindow (https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-libs/0.14.11-1/hildon-widgets/hildon-window.c) uses the "topmost" -signal to clear the timeout, but the sardine/chinook version (https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-1/src/hildon-window.c) uses "focus_out" | 14:47 |
| inz | X-Fade, and focus_out, is sent also when the menu opens (I think) | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | inz: Yeah, they also had problems with clicks on a menu ending up in the application below the menu. Should be fixed now too. | 14:48 |
| inz | X-Fade, that sounds like a gtk, not hildon, problem | 14:50 |
| inz | X-Fade, but indeed, if the menu is closed on press, the release goes to whoever is underneath | 14:50 |
| Komarov | anyone knows how to use hcitool? | 14:51 |
| Komarov | what's the bluetooth device name it expects? | 14:52 |
| Komarov | (on N800) | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | inz: I'll have to test it in Sardine. Did you try the boot menu with the new image yet? | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | Ah 4.2007 is already supported.. | 14:53 |
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| inz | X-Fade, never used it, I keep flashing my device every 1-3 days anyway =) | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, well system on MMC gives a really nice speedup too. | 15:04 |
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| Veggen | mm, btw - what's wrong with internet streams in media player, in 4.2007? | 15:08 |
| Veggen | (okok - I'll go read ITT too ;) | 15:08 |
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| X-Fade | Ah crap, tried to install the real tar which failed half way. And now my apt is f*xored.. | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | Semi installed tar which doesn't want to be removed anymore. | 15:11 |
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| Veggen | X-Fade: mmm, I guess you can fix it manually. | 15:12 |
| Veggen | Just make /bin/tar a symlink to busybox, manually. | 15:12 |
| Veggen | then remove the faulty package. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: Well, that is not the problem. Apt keeps insisting on apt-get -f install.. | 15:13 |
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| Veggen | X-Fade: hmm. Try with remaking the symlink, *then* apt-get -f install ? | 15:13 |
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| X-Fade | Which fails due to the broken package not having a post-installion script. | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | tar works just fine btw ;) | 15:14 |
| Veggen | mmh, there's most often a way to fix things :) | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it thinks the tar package is installed, but it isn't. So uninstalling doesn't work.. | 15:15 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, nevermind.. I broke busybox itself.. Game over.. | 15:18 |
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| Komarov | :-) | 15:23 |
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| luck^ | hi robtaylor | 16:17 |
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| pyhimys | does the n800 video call use some esoteric ports? | 16:33 |
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| _Shurik_ | Ahhh, tablet users. I feel home | 17:50 |
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| * _Shurik_ can't find comfortable position for Nokia's earbuds | 17:54 | |
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| ajturner | _Shurik_: I suggest putting 1 bud in each ear | 17:57 |
| _Shurik_ | :-D | 17:57 |
| _Shurik_ | I'm just used to Koss Earbuds | 17:57 |
| _Shurik_ | these are redunculous | 17:58 |
| suihkulokki | ~/last shurik | 18:01 |
| suihkulokki | dooh | 18:01 |
| _Shurik_ | ? | 18:01 |
| suihkulokki | I was trying to find out why one bud per ear :P | 18:01 |
| _Shurik_ | [10:54] * _Shurik_ can't find comfortable position for Nokia's earbuds | 18:02 |
| suihkulokki | oh | 18:02 |
| _Shurik_ | just don't like them that much | 18:03 |
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| _Shurik_ | although it's interesting how ear adjusts to lack of certain frequency in a while | 18:03 |
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| Mikho | I have a gcc/g++ related compiling question | 18:44 |
| Mikho | how can I make sure all symbols I include within a particular .h header file are included into the resulting object file? | 18:45 |
| dragorn | eh? header files are only prototypes so the compiler knows you're calling functions w/ the proper parameters | 18:45 |
| Mikho | hmm | 18:46 |
| dragorn | if it links, then all the symbols which were used in the code were present in the objects | 18:46 |
| Mikho | oh, I checked the symbols with "nm main.o" and not the actual program "main" | 18:47 |
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| Mikho | great, all the callback functions can be found in the linked program. I thought the compiler was supposed to remove them from the symbol table if they aren't used anywhere (and they aren't) | 18:50 |
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| neurocyte | how much (if any) difference is there between debian-armel and maeomo-bora packages? | 18:54 |
| neurocyte | is it safe to install debian-armel stuff on bora? | 18:54 |
| neurocyte | most of the stuff I need is in debian armel already and I'm wondering if there is any point in rebuilding things in scratchbox | 18:55 |
| _Shurik_ | seems like you would still need to rebuild, but I'm no expert | 18:56 |
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| neurocyte | I've got a bunch of stuff running already with out any rebuilds | 18:58 |
| zuh | I think they should work, but the dependancies might give you hell. Maemo is not Debian after all (just uses the same package management tools). | 18:58 |
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| neurocyte | I've avoided apt-get installing up to now, I've just unpacked stuff into a subdir | 19:01 |
| zuh | If size is not an issue, you could just get the armel rootfs and run that in a chroot ;) | 19:02 |
| neurocyte | I was doing that already, but it's a bit of a waste of space | 19:02 |
| zuh | Yeah | 19:03 |
| neurocyte | and it's a pain to change to a chroot just to run an tool or two | 19:03 |
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| ttuttle | How's Hacker? | 19:05 |
| disq | command line stuff from debian-armel always worked fine for me, as long as I satisfied the deps (mostly fdisk and mkfs) | 19:08 |
| pupnik | hehe unique311 :) noo ... lardman, not an easy task! | 19:14 |
| pupnik | lardman: game consoles mostly use either sample playback or FM synthesis or both | 19:15 |
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| lardman | pupnik: I was composing an email giving some possible targets for the DSP | 19:29 |
| pupnik | i only remember early DSPs. limited instruction lenghts and branching. | 19:29 |
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| lardman | I'm of the opinon that it's sat there so it may as well do something (and use more power of course) | 19:30 |
| pupnik | regardless, you'd end up making a dsp sink for only SNES, or GBA, or Genesis, or NES - nothing transferrable | 19:30 |
| pupnik | yes yes! :) | 19:30 |
| lardman | yes, I assumed that would be the case | 19:30 |
| pupnik | i haven't learned how to do profiling on the tablets yet | 19:31 |
| lardman | I also imagine there's an inverse relationship between implementation difficulty and speed gains to be made | 19:31 |
| lardman | When you say profiling, do you mean of how fast a game/emu is running? | 19:31 |
| pupnik | how much time is spent on various subroutines | 19:31 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 19:32 |
| pupnik | from what i read gprof isn't so accurate. i think someone built an oprof kernel for the tablet | 19:32 |
| lardman | yes I saw that | 19:33 |
| pupnik | you can always do it manually of course | 19:33 |
| lardman | I simply assumed that if a program was running a bit slowly, then offloading some task onto the DSP may make some difference | 19:34 |
| lardman | What would be more interesting is to see whether the dsp can be made to work faster than the ARM | 19:34 |
| lardman | for something that's slow, like jpeg processing | 19:34 |
| pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_music | 19:39 |
| lardman | I found that after I asked the question, thanks though | 19:39 |
| pupnik | yeah... the sample-playback shouldn't be impossible to do | 19:40 |
| pupnik | wonder how the dsp accesses main memory | 19:40 |
| lardman | unless there's no way of performing sound output.... | 19:40 |
| pupnik | fed with a fifo or dma ? | 19:40 |
| lardman | pupnik: You can pass blocks of memory, or map parts of main memory | 19:40 |
| lardman | fifo | 19:40 |
| lardman | dma for the mapped memory (I assume) | 19:41 |
| pupnik | 8 channels of 16-bit pcm at 22khz would be 352800 kB/s | 19:42 |
| pupnik | s/kB/B/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: 8 channels of 16-bit pcm at 22khz would be 352800 B/s | 19:42 |
| lardman | But the data would be compressed presumably? | 19:42 |
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| lardman | And the DSP would do the decompression | 19:42 |
| lardman | true, if you needed to pass the data back so it could be output, that would be a pita | 19:43 |
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| * lardman heads home to work out why is G.711 task isn't behaving | 19:44 | |
| lardman | s/is/his/ | 19:44 |
| pupnik | i am sure it's compressed on the cartridge. whether it stays that way in RAM i dunno | 19:44 |
| pupnik | http://slack.net/~ant/libs/audio.html ahh the SNES format is called SPC | 19:45 |
| lardman | My thought was to remove the decompression and output step completely, but that requires the ability to output audio from the dsp | 19:45 |
| lardman | hence my email | 19:45 |
| lardman | anyway, see you chaps tomorrow | 19:45 |
| pupnik | ah | 19:45 |
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| pupnik | ok cheers | 19:45 |
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| trevarthan | disq: quick question: why is it necessary to put now_playing() and now_stopped() in mplayer.py? Why can't those live in playlist.py? | 19:58 |
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| disq | trevarthan: i'm also calling now_stopped on seek and close | 20:04 |
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| trevarthan | ok, I see. I'm going to merge your patch, but I definitely need to take care of the ISMAEMO issue first. | 20:06 |
| disq | okay :) btw have you tried optimizing the loading songs screen yet? it's so slow | 20:07 |
| ttuttle | Hey, any progress on backporting the latest 2007 changes to Hacker? | 20:08 |
| trevarthan | disq: I optimized it last night. Is it still slow? | 20:08 |
| disq | to get rid of the now_stopped() call in mplayer.py you could add callbacks for seek and close in playlist.py but i think that wouldn't be a better approach | 20:08 |
| disq | i didn't checkout the latest | 20:09 |
| disq | it's still the kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz code here :) | 20:09 |
| trevarthan | disq: Yeah, check out the new version. It's much faster. Regarding playlist.py, I was thinking the same thing. playlist.py is sort of the abstraction layer for mplayer.py. I'll be adding a gstreamer.py in the near future too for win32 and non-a2dp playback on maemo/linux. | 20:10 |
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| trevarthan | disq: here's the commit that sped it up: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/125 | 20:11 |
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| trevarthan | Starting mplayer takes some time. After that it's pretty fast. Once gstreamer.py is working this will no longer be an issue unless you're using a2dp. Even then it can still be sped up a good bit. :) | 20:16 |
| disq | :) | 20:17 |
| maddler | hey! | 20:17 |
| disq | hey | 20:17 |
| maddler | disq! :D | 20:17 |
| disq | maddler! | 20:17 |
| maddler | my favourite blogger! | 20:17 |
| maddler | hahaha | 20:17 |
| disq | tell me about it :P | 20:18 |
| maddler | <advertising> I saw your wonderful blog on MaemoPeople.org!</advertising> | 20:18 |
| maddler | hahahaha | 20:18 |
| trevarthan | disq: what happens if that osso call runs but maemoscrobbler isn't installed? Should I run which('maemoscrobbler') before I decide to use it? | 20:20 |
| disq | nothing should happen | 20:21 |
| trevarthan | ok. no harm then. thanks. | 20:21 |
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| Tu13es | any thoughts between this http://www.screenguardz.com/misc/nokia-n800 and this http://www.screenguardzhd.com/misc/nokia-n800 ? | 20:22 |
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| pupnik | mmm psion netbook pros now getting cheaper. Might be fun to try to port IT2007 to it :P.... I think people have written linux kernel drivers for it | 20:25 |
| pupnik | derf: do you think the acmonitor package install should add the extended backlight timeouts (via shell script?) | 20:30 |
| derf | I mean, it could, obviously. Uninstalling them might be trickier. | 20:31 |
| disq | trevarthan: the beauty of dbus is, if the app receiving the message is not running, dbus starts it. so, i have no init.d scripts or such in the maemoscrobbler package. when needed, they're launched automatically | 20:32 |
| trevarthan | that's certainly nice. I'm going to learn more about dbus. I've been hearing a lot about it recently. | 20:34 |
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| disq | dbus itself is not that simple (I once tried to read the docs but there are lots of them) but libosso really makes it very easy | 20:35 |
| pupnik | most people aren't going to set-up the extended timeouts via shell. i think setting them back in the removal script would be just as easy | 20:35 |
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| disq | i also added a "quit" dbus call, when received the daemons quit. i call that from postrm and postinst. (when upgraded, the new binaries won't run until you kill off the old ones) | 20:37 |
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| MrZaius | are either the n770 or n800 capable of playing normal 350mb=1hr xvid files without transcoding? | 20:38 |
| pupnik | depends on resolution | 20:39 |
| MrZaius | and, if not, is there anything that warrants spending twice as much on an n800 after the price cuts? | 20:39 |
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| pupnik | xvid isn't a problem with mplayer, but on 770 i need to transcode to ***x240 resolution | 20:39 |
| MrZaius | pupnik: something like this: VIDEO: [XVID] 624x352 12bpp 23.976 fps 979.1 kbps (119.5 kbyte/s) | 20:39 |
| MrZaius | ok | 20:40 |
| MrZaius | but they generally play without a hitch on the 800? | 20:40 |
| pupnik | there are threads about higher res on the n800... | 20:40 |
| MrZaius | been digging around and have been having a hard time finding much meaningful coverage of the difference - sorry if this is an old question | 20:40 |
| pupnik | use mplayer, nokia, n800, video, frames etc as search terms | 20:41 |
| pupnik | most of the discussion revolves around recent mplayer speedups and framebuffer bandwidth | 20:41 |
| MrZaius | is there anything other than video playback that makes the cost difference worth while? (I'm aware of the VOIP support, but I wouldn't use it, and the radio isn't that big a deal) | 20:41 |
| derf | N800 has twice the RAM, twice the internal flash, and a faster processor. | 20:41 |
| MrZaius | but from a practical perspective, do the web browser and other conventional apps benefit much from it? | 20:42 |
| derf | Well, the RAM is a big difference just in terms of the number of things you can open up at once. | 20:43 |
| derf | And most of the applications are installed on the internal flash, so that also makes a big difference in terms of how many programs you can load on the thing. | 20:43 |
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| pupnik | my general rule of thumb is wait at least two generations before upgrading | 20:44 |
| trevarthan | pupnik: maybe you just need to play with an n800. :) | 20:44 |
| trevarthan | disq: is there documentation for the osso python module? | 20:49 |
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| trevarthan | nm. I found it: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/ | 20:50 |
| luck^ | trevarthan, there are some links here: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/index.html#documentation | 20:50 |
| luck^ | trevarthan, pymaemo webpage has some osso-examples too | 20:51 |
| disq | trevarthan: there's also http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DBusGuide | 20:51 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: Psion had a Linux version for it which never made it to market. Where are you seeing them get cheaper? Although, it'd have to be damned cheap to undercut an Asus Eee | 21:18 |
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| pupnik | they are still overpriced Jaffe - one on ebay for 240 euro now | 21:21 |
| pupnik | i was using linux on the psion netbook (not pro)... fluxbox, vnc, ssh, etc | 21:21 |
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| pupnik | WOW i didn't know about the asus Eee | 21:22 |
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| ||cw | MrZaius: 200Mhz is awfully slow, especialy with no FPU. n800 is 400Mhz and has an FPU | 21:23 |
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| _Shurik_ | n800 400? | 21:25 |
| pupnik | ||cw: might as well quote bogomips | 21:27 |
| _Shurik_ | I thought it was 330 | 21:27 |
| pupnik | Processor : ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 3 (v5l) | 21:27 |
| pupnik | BogoMIPS : 125.76 | 21:27 |
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| pupnik | N800 BogoMIPS : 320.37 | 21:29 |
| ||cw | _Shurik_: ah, right, 320. not sure why I thought it was double too | 21:29 |
| disq | maybe because it feels like double with all the other improvements (like fpu, bigger cache, more ram, etc) | 21:29 |
| _Shurik_ | hehe | 21:29 |
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| _Shurik_ | Eee is a freaking laptop | 21:32 |
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| ||cw | anyone know that dekstop the Eee uses in the "easy"? http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/?page=2 | 21:32 |
| ||cw | expert is certainly KDE | 21:32 |
| pupnik | i can bet that the Eee will 2x $199 - or about 300 euro in europe | 21:33 |
| Jaffa | Still 300EUR is a bit of a bargain | 21:34 |
| ||cw | that article mentions NT$10, what's NT | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | ||cw: I guess it's something from scratch. | 21:34 |
| ||cw | makes me wonder if that is $199 US | 21:35 |
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| pupnik | ok the Netbooks are museum pieces now, with this Asus Eee | 21:41 |
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| pupnik | the Flybooks will have incredible price pressure | 21:41 |
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| ||cw | http://www.eeeuser.com/ is saying £199, which would be about $400 USD | 21:51 |
| _Shurik_ | BJs are 2 bucks a piece now? | 21:52 |
| _Shurik_ | why did I have to get married :( | 21:52 |
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| mbjohn | wow, a lot of people here :) | 22:23 |
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| mbjohn | was wondering if someone might be able to help a new 770 user who honestly tried their best to find find their solution on the web.... | 22:24 |
| disq | ask away | 22:24 |
| mbjohn | disq: thanks! I just got my 770, and everything seems to be ok - I was able to connect to both my phone and the wifi network here. However, whenever I try to bring up the web browser, whether through "open new web browser window" or by going to a book mark, I get "Web - blank" at the top briefly, then it closes and takes me back to "Home". Has anyone else seen this behavior? | 22:26 |
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| Jaffa | mbjohn: hmm, are you running the latest OS 2006 release? | 22:27 |
| Jaffa | Sounds like the web browser is dying, or being killed (the latter possibly if it's out of memory) | 22:27 |
| mbjohn | jaffa: I believe so... | 22:27 |
| mbjohn | er, to the latest release | 22:27 |
| mbjohn | version 2.2006.39-14 | 22:28 |
| disq | mm. never happened to me but possibly a memory issue | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | Nope, there's OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2 on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 22:29 |
| Jaffa | There's also the OS 2007 Hacker Edition, but I'd get started with OS 2006 properly first. | 22:29 |
| mbjohn | clicking on memory, it says I only have 11% used | 22:29 |
| disq | i recommend you enable swap (in control panel - memory) btw, the 770's memory is really one of the two bottlenecks (the other one being the cpu) | 22:29 |
| Jaffa | mbjohn: that's talking about storage. RAM is different. | 22:30 |
| mbjohn | disq: cool, thanks, doing now | 22:30 |
| mbjohn | Jaffa: ah, didn't think of that | 22:30 |
| mbjohn | but I haven't really done anything else with it | 22:31 |
| mbjohn | (to drive up the mem usage) | 22:31 |
| Jaffa | mbjohn: Can't do any harm to upgrade, and worth doing the upgrade before you install too much. | 22:31 |
| mbjohn | Jaffa: true...unfortunately, no windows computer :( | 22:31 |
| disq | there are also linux and osx flashers available | 22:32 |
| mbjohn | disq: oooh, really? | 22:32 |
| mbjohn | I'd read of the windows one | 22:32 |
| disq | but not sure about the URLs. it's probably somewhere at maemo.org or tablets-dev. anybody? | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | mbjohn: both linked to from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ . There's also 0xFFFF which is an open source reverse engineered one (used it today to no ill-effect) | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | disq: they're mentioned on the front page :) | 22:33 |
| mbjohn | Disq, Jaffa: thank you both very much! | 22:33 |
| mbjohn | I'm pretty excited bout my 770 - have y'all enjoyed it? | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | nps | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, the 770 was great. N800 is good too, now. | 22:33 |
| _Shurik_ | not me :( I went straight for n800 | 22:34 |
| disq | Jaffa: ok then :p did you check out maemoscrobbler, or do you like last.fm? | 22:34 |
| mbjohn | wow, it does appear that memory was an issue. I was just able to open the browser successfully. Wonder why that was right out of the box? | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | disq: never used last.fm | 22:34 |
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| jamey | does anyone know if N800 802.11 supports APSD? | 22:38 |
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| disq | not sure about apsd (just looked it up on wikipedia :p ) but it has some power saving timeouts built in, turns off parts of the radio after a few miliseconds of the last packet, etc | 22:40 |
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| mbjohn | ok, I'm about to flash this thing - what are the chances I'm going to make it a brick? :) | 22:45 |
| mbjohn | I can't put down another $139 | 22:45 |
| disq | permanently bricking is very rare | 22:46 |
| disq | if something happens during flash you can always reflash it | 22:47 |
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| mbjohn | ok, cool - I've flashed many a toy in my life, but this is by far the nicest I've had | 22:47 |
| mbjohn | um, and the only one I paid for | 22:47 |
| mbjohn | ok, not true, bought the Agenda when it first came out | 22:48 |
| mbjohn | sweet - had no problems flashing, and had no problems with my web browser starting after that. Thanks so much for your help! | 22:56 |
| disq | great | 22:56 |
| * pupnik sacrifices a chicken to Nokia in prayer that the next tablet will have usable dpad and right hand side buttons | 22:59 | |
| pupnik | <cue bongo music and chanting> | 23:00 |
| Sulis | you can't use the dpad? | 23:04 |
| pupnik | not for fast action games | 23:04 |
| Sulis | do you have massive fingers? | 23:04 |
| disq | also a proper rocker key for scrolling, or even a mini 5 way joystick. | 23:04 |
| derf | No, the d-pad just sucks. | 23:04 |
| Sulis | why don't you get a gp2x? | 23:05 |
| pupnik | i don't know if you could have a fast-action dpad with a central enter-key button | 23:05 |
| pupnik | might be doable if resistance on the center button was high, and resistance on the outer directions was low | 23:05 |
| disq | i don't like gp2x because it's big, heavy, has a low res non-touch screen, and iirc it doesn't have net connectivity unless you get sdio | 23:06 |
| disq | it's an open source psp without the wifi. | 23:06 |
| pupnik | yeah and it has a 2nd ARM cpu that hardly gets used for anything, iirc | 23:06 |
| Sulis | yeah... | 23:07 |
| pupnik | the low res isn't so bad for a gaming-only device. But like many people, i want a universal, open-source pocket device - hence 800x480 for the browsing and my choice of nokia | 23:07 |
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| Sulis | i don't know if they've changed that at all...they may have gotten things using that for the graphics that it was intended | 23:07 |
| pupnik | there's one SNES emu that has the sound code running on the 2nd CPU but it's not functional as of last month | 23:08 |
| dragorn | SMP or non-smp? | 23:08 |
| Sulis | heh, non smp | 23:09 |
| dragorn | like the DS then | 23:09 |
| dragorn | same arm model? | 23:09 |
| Sulis | i dunno anything about the DS's hardware | 23:09 |
| dragorn | well I meant, are both CPUs the same Arm model | 23:09 |
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| disq | CPU: 200MHz ARM920T host, 200MHz ARM940T | 23:10 |
| dragorn | the DS has an arm9 and an arm7 | 23:10 |
| Sulis | ah, see what you mean | 23:10 |
| disq | let's steer this conversation toward powervr and it's might if nokia were to pay for the damn license. | 23:10 |
| dragorn | hm, I don't know the difference between the 920 and 940 | 23:11 |
| Sulis | it's might? | 23:11 |
| suihkulokki | one as a MMU the other doesn't | 23:11 |
| megabyte405 | the n800 really impressed me with arm - I had never used it really before, but for such a low clock speed (probably combined with flash storage and small-memory apps) it sure outdoes my P3 700 laptop | 23:11 |
| suihkulokki | ^dragorn | 23:11 |
| disq | :) | 23:11 |
| dragorn | disq: from the postings on the list, it sounds like there isn't the bandwidth to the framebuffer to matter | 23:11 |
| * megabyte405 now wants an arm desktop without going to britain | 23:11 | |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: ahh, 'k | 23:11 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: I assume the 920 host cpu has it and the 940 doesn't? | 23:12 |
| disq | megabyte405: there are bunch of additional facilities of the n800's cpu that are not in use, so it's not the full performance | 23:12 |
| Sulis | an arm desktop...what a strange idea, i don't think it would be particularly good for multithreaded apps | 23:12 |
| suihkulokki | dragorn: most likely | 23:14 |
| disq | dragorn: i'm not saying run full res doom 3 on it, accelerate the 2d ui (and if there are games, run them half-res) | 23:14 |
| dragorn | disq: yah, i know, but check the list posts, it sounds like the hw design crippled it severely | 23:15 |
| dragorn | i could be wrong | 23:15 |
| disq | they could fix it in the wimax version, but i doubt it. we'll be lucky if this problems doesn't exist in the n900 (the next device, not the wimax-enabled n800) because imho they didn't learn much from the 770. | 23:17 |
| disq | (developer device program was very nice, though) | 23:18 |
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| pupnik | N770 is fast enough for strong bad email :P | 23:29 |
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| disq | bad email or bad email handling? :P | 23:31 |
| pupnik | http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html <- safe for work, not safe for sanity (flash) | 23:32 |
| neurocyte | how do I get my N800 to mount an ext3 SD automatically | 23:32 |
| disq | i hate how flash animations spike the cpu load | 23:32 |
| neurocyte | it mounts fine manually (after loading the modules) | 23:32 |
| disq | disabling flash in opera really improves battery life | 23:32 |
| disq | neurocyte: add the insmod lines somewhere in init.d so they're loaded on startup | 23:33 |
| disq | my suggestion is /etc/init.d/ke-recv | 23:34 |
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| disq | missed my 770, i'll boot it up and play with it a while | 23:35 |
| Sulis | hmm, why make an SD card ext3? | 23:37 |
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| neurocyte | Sulis, why not? | 23:38 |
| derf | Because FAT is god-awful? | 23:38 |
| schmofarz | hi | 23:38 |
| neurocyte | fat sucks | 23:38 |
| disq | i keep one card ext2 and the other fat32 | 23:38 |
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| disq | i'm also feeling the urge to install sardine on one of the memory cards | 23:39 |
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| schmofarz | i have a question | 23:48 |
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| alterego | Thinking of ordering an N800 does it allow you to set the MAC address? | 23:49 |
| schmofarz | im using an n770 and im not able to install some packages | 23:49 |
| schmofarz | for example cgoban, because the xlibs package is not installabla and i dont know where to get it | 23:50 |
| ericz | what's the command to run visual boy advance from xterm? (im assuming that's *the way* to run it?) | 23:50 |
| disq | alterego: you can "ifconfig hwaddr" but not sure if it actually registers | 23:50 |
| alterego | Yes, I'm reading something about it on ITT | 23:51 |
| disq | ericz: try "vba" | 23:51 |
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| ericz | disq, thanks :) | 23:51 |
| gpd | what are people using for address books and syncing? I am struggling with many revisions of vcard files | 23:51 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Doesn't look like anyone answered >:( | 23:51 |
| ericz | i think.. got to "Reading configuration file" hung for a sec, then "Killed" | 23:52 |
| disq | no idea, never used vba myself | 23:52 |
| disq | gpd: there are a few pim suites (GPE and some others) but never used them either :) | 23:53 |
| gpd | I need a magic vcard diff and vcard split at the moment - no signs, guess i'll have to write myself | 23:54 |
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| disq | the platform's not big on pim functionality, unfortunately | 23:54 |
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| alterego | Well, would someone like to try to set the HW MAC address of the wifi interface in their N800 and confirm it works? | 23:54 |
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| * pupnik has no n800 | 23:56 | |
| alterego | Does it work on the 770? | 23:56 |
| pupnik | dunno | 23:57 |
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| alterego | You don't have either? | 23:58 |
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| pupnik | using the 770 right now, how would you set the mac? | 23:58 |
| disq | I got | 23:59 |
| disq | Nokia-N800-26:~# ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:01:02:03:04:05 up | 23:59 |
| disq | ifconfig: SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy | 23:59 |
| pupnik | does it have iwconfig? | 23:59 |
| alterego | ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:01:02:03:04:05; ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1 | 23:59 |
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