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| coderanger_pad | How do i hide deleted IMAP messages in claws? | 00:01 |
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| Halo9 | hi guys how you all doing | 00:43 |
| Halo9 | can anyone help me with kismet on my n800 | 00:44 |
| megabyte405 | Halo9: search internettablettalk.com for info on Kismet on N800 | 00:45 |
| megabyte405 | Short answer: it kind of works - it will randomly work great, and randomly (more commonly) stop updating after a few seconds | 00:45 |
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| Halo9 | i have its another issue saying unknown interface wlan01 and permlssion denied | 00:48 |
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| Halo9 | anyone | 00:52 |
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| imthefrizzlefr1 | anyone here using a jabber transport to view aim contacts on their 770? | 00:58 |
| gomiam | not me | 00:58 |
| gomiam | but it should be doable | 00:58 |
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| gomiam | I have known of people doing it. | 00:58 |
| imthefrizzlefr1 | yea, it's working with msn, yahoo and IRC for me, but I can't see anyone as being online... I can hear, but not talk... | 00:59 |
| gomiam | ! | 00:59 |
| gomiam | ok, try to add gomiam@hotmail.com to your MSN | 00:59 |
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| gomiam | and let's see if you see me | 00:59 |
| gomiam | or tell me your MSN address and I'll try to add you. | 01:00 |
| pupnik | Speak softly and carry a big trout. | 01:02 |
| gomiam | imthefrizzlefr1: I'm IMing you through MSN. Do my messages get to you? | 01:03 |
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| gomiam | disconnected... | 01:06 |
| pupnik | Halo9: there's a kismet configuration file under /etc where i think you can set the interface. I don't have a n800 though sorry | 01:06 |
| gomiam | imthefrizzlefr1: please tell me whether you get notified of the disconnection :-) | 01:07 |
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| gomiam | reconnecting... | 01:07 |
| Halo9 | pupnik; thank you do you understand the error? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | well there are names for interfaces | 01:09 |
| pupnik | like wlan0 and stuff | 01:10 |
| pupnik | if you run ifconfig command you can see your interfaces | 01:10 |
| pupnik | on the 770 there's a lo interface for loopback and a wlan0 interface for the wifi | 01:11 |
| pupnik | but i would expect that the kismet package for the N800 would have the interface set-up correctly already | 01:13 |
| pupnik | so i don't know what the problem is | 01:13 |
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| gomiam | pupnik: kismet works on my N800, without needing any extra configuration | 01:19 |
| pupnik | oh Halo9 quit... oh well | 01:22 |
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| Andy80_ | hi | 01:36 |
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| Brenduh | Can anyone give me a clue as to why my 770 is coming on by itself? I go through the "turn device off" thing. I charged it a couple days ago and just went in and the battery is almost dead. I did turn the cover around on it and it is still coming on by itself. | 03:43 |
| SeRi | Check that the alarm is off and also check that the alarmd "alarm deamon" is not running | 03:49 |
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| Brenduh | how do I do that second part? | 03:52 |
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| Trencher | yay linux 2.6.x vm! now i can compile.. i think... | 04:22 |
| Trencher | lol | 04:23 |
| omnix | i have a 2gb mmcmobile card that I'm trying to partition | 04:23 |
| omnix | in this HOWTO, they're creating an ext2 and a VFAT partition. What's the point of the VFAT partition? | 04:24 |
| rwhitby | so that the automatic stuff which mounts the card still works, and you can use that vfat bit in the normal file manager GUI | 04:25 |
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| omnix | how large of a partition do you recommend be VFAT? | 04:31 |
| rwhitby | completely up to you | 04:31 |
| omnix | if i want to use the mmc card for video files and mp3s, those would be stored in ext2 or vfat? | 04:32 |
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| Trencher | vfat | 04:36 |
| Trencher | vfat is what the device will think is your mmc card | 04:37 |
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| Trencher | while the ext2 is what will be the OS flash | 04:37 |
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| Trencher | for 2gb, i made the partitions 1,45000,6 and 45001,, | 04:39 |
| Trencher | and i got 1.37gb of space for the 'mmc' | 04:39 |
| Trencher | and 300mb for apps | 04:39 |
| omnix | i think i read your post on the forums trencher | 04:40 |
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| Trencher | \o/? | 04:40 |
| omnix | is the mmcmobile card vfat by default? | 04:41 |
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| Trencher | don't think so | 04:42 |
| Trencher | mine came RAW | 04:42 |
| Trencher | i formatted it fat | 04:43 |
| Trencher | then repartitioned it fat/ext2 | 04:43 |
| omnix | wouldn't ext2 have better performance than vfat? | 04:43 |
| Trencher | possibly, but the devices only take fat cards | 04:43 |
| omnix | when accessing video files for example | 04:43 |
| Trencher | :( i can't get the vmware image to work.. meh | 04:44 |
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| megabyte405 | I think that there is no ext2 module in the kernel by default, IIRC | 04:48 |
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| yzf600 | hey | 04:49 |
| yzf600 | anyone have any experience in setting up the SDK for maemo | 04:49 |
| yzf600 | I'm following the tutorials and ran into a snag | 04:50 |
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| yzf600 | I've got Xephyr installed, along with scratchbox | 04:51 |
| yzf600 | when I go to run " af-sb-init.sh start" it can't find the shell script | 04:52 |
| Trencher | lol i can't even get the prepackaged one to work | 04:52 |
| omnix | trencher, how come u only have 1.37gb of space for the mmc? | 04:52 |
| omnix | er, mb | 04:53 |
| yzf600 | something may have gone wrong with the scratchbox setup as none of the tutorial instructions matched the commands in scratchboox | 04:53 |
| omnix | actually no, gb | 04:53 |
| Trencher | cuz the rest went to the OS | 04:53 |
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| omnix | so true capacity of 2gb is 1.67gb? | 04:53 |
| Trencher | no | 04:53 |
| Trencher | i had 300mb after the os | 04:53 |
| Trencher | the os takes up space too | 04:53 |
| omnix | oh. are you using a swap file or partition? | 04:53 |
| Trencher | file | 04:54 |
| omnix | how large? | 04:54 |
| Trencher | 64mb | 04:54 |
| Trencher | on the vfat | 04:54 |
| omnix | why on the vfat? | 04:54 |
| Trencher | cuz it's supposed to be on the card and you can't put it in the flash (ext2) | 04:54 |
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| ports- | 2gb = 2000mb... | 05:03 |
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| Trencher | can anyone here compile something small for me for the 770? | 05:25 |
| Trencher | i got that indt sdk image, but it won't start properly.. | 05:26 |
| Trencher | i've been trying to find out how to fix the errors, but there's not very much support for this image | 05:26 |
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| thoughtfix | Okay | 05:34 |
| thoughtfix | I finally did it | 05:34 |
| thoughtfix | an editorial video on "The N800 is NOT a phone!" | 05:34 |
| Trencher | lol | 05:35 |
| thoughtfix | I take a dig at one of the popular phones of the day in the middle of the video | 05:35 |
| thoughtfix | Hope the YouTube icon turns into that part | 05:35 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 05:35 |
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| Trencher | :( | 05:38 |
| Trencher | noone? | 05:41 |
| ports- | lol | 05:43 |
| Trencher | :( don't lol at me... | 05:43 |
| Trencher | i fail hard at linux | 05:43 |
| ports- | no worries. so do i | 05:44 |
| Trencher | like someone with agoraphobia trying to go outside for the first time tripping on the doorstep and smashing their face... | 05:44 |
| ports- | haha | 05:45 |
| * Trencher emo cry | 05:46 | |
| thoughtfix | I wish my hair was emo | 05:47 |
| thoughtfix | then it would just cut ITSELF | 05:48 |
| Trencher | ... | 05:48 |
| * Trencher cricket | 05:48 | |
| disq | wonder if n800 skype includes smilies. especially (emo) | 05:48 |
| Trencher | ugh | 05:48 |
| disq | btw maemoscrobbler 0.1.0 is ready. now gotta add support for it in ukmp and send in a patch. | 05:49 |
| thoughtfix | I just tested it. (emo) works | 05:49 |
| disq | best skype smiley | 05:49 |
| Trencher | ugh | 05:49 |
| Trencher | can either of u compile for me? i don't know what i can offer in trade... | 05:50 |
| disq | i've been coding for 10 hours now, kinda want to go to bed | 05:51 |
| thoughtfix | Video uploaded. Processing now. | 05:57 |
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| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/nokia-n800-better-without-phone.html | 06:03 |
| SeRi | Konttori are you in? | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, thoughtfix, that was awesome. :D | 06:08 |
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| rwhitby | thoughtfix: nice video | 06:21 |
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| thoughtfix | Thanks | 06:22 |
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| thoughtfix | I figure everyone else who has been asked that a thousand times can just point to that video | 06:22 |
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| disq | cracked me up you repeating the same sentence over and over "it's not a phone" | 06:23 |
| thoughtfix | My personal favorite part is the Pac Man noise | 06:25 |
| disq | hilarious :) | 06:25 |
| thoughtfix | My girlfriend is telling me I make funny faces | 06:26 |
| rwhitby | I didn't notice anything like that. | 06:27 |
| thoughtfix | I can see it later in the video as I am ad-libbing a bit | 06:28 |
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| thoughtfix | And the iPhone has exactly 40% of the pixels of the N800 | 06:28 |
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| jacques | heh | 06:29 |
| jacques | I was playing with an iphone today | 06:29 |
| thoughtfix | 320x480 vs 800x480 | 06:29 |
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| nelson | I see that there's been a new version published while I was away. | 06:32 |
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| nelson | thoughtfix: hehe, very funny. | 06:33 |
| thoughtfix | :D | 06:34 |
| thoughtfix | thanks | 06:34 |
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| megabyte405 | hey all | 06:52 |
| megabyte405 | Trencher: what are you actually doing with the image? | 06:53 |
| megabyte405 | it was plug and go for me | 06:53 |
| Trencher | started it | 06:56 |
| Trencher | it came up | 06:56 |
| Trencher | af-sb-init.sh start | 06:57 |
| Trencher | got lots of 'file not found' | 06:57 |
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| Trencher | then nothing | 06:57 |
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| Markov | for some reason my display settings don't seem to be taking effect | 06:58 |
| Markov | after new firmware... | 06:58 |
| Markov | as in the screen never dims or turns off | 06:58 |
| Markov | also the scroll bar in opera disappears for certain sites when i put it in "fit width to window" mode | 06:59 |
| Markov | and whenever i touch the screen in maemo mapper, it closes (but, that's always happened) | 06:59 |
| megabyte405 | Markov: change your theme, reboot, and change it back | 06:59 |
| _Monkey | megabyte405: that doesn't look right | 06:59 |
| Markov | megabyte405: that's a solution to which of the problems? | 07:00 |
| megabyte405 | the first two, with luck | 07:00 |
| Markov | ooo nice | 07:00 |
| megabyte405 | Trencher: did you run af-sb-init.sh from within the scratchbox option? (Did it even start? You have to do an echo from within a root shell (sudo su - ) - run /scratchbox/login from a terminal to see the message) | 07:00 |
| Markov | hey! that worked11!! thanks megabyte405 | 07:04 |
| megabyte405 | Markov: np | 07:04 |
| Trencher | scratchbox started | 07:04 |
| megabyte405 | there is a big thread at internettablettalk.com that summaries some fixes to common problems with the new firmware | 07:04 |
| Trencher | i got the 'Welcome to Scratchbox!' | 07:04 |
| megabyte405 | there's a fair amount of "noise" in the thread, but also some good signal | 07:04 |
| megabyte405 | Trencher: ok, cool. did xephyr come up? | 07:04 |
| Trencher | yeah.. | 07:05 |
| Trencher | :5 | 07:05 |
| megabyte405 | ok | 07:05 |
| Trencher | there's a bunch of: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: no such file or directory | 07:05 |
| megabyte405 | hmm | 07:06 |
| megabyte405 | did you install the nokia restricted stuff? | 07:06 |
| Trencher | ran it, said it finished | 07:06 |
| Trencher | could try again | 07:06 |
| megabyte405 | hmm | 07:06 |
| megabyte405 | beats me - it worked right off the bat for me | 07:06 |
| Trencher | Nokia binaries repository already installed. | 07:06 |
| Trencher | i get SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set too | 07:07 |
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| Trencher | i'll try unpacking it again | 07:22 |
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| Trencher | loading image | 07:26 |
| Trencher | keep uuid | 07:26 |
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| Trencher | install binaries | 07:28 |
| Trencher | done | 07:29 |
| Trencher | open scratchbox and run af-sb-init.sh start | 07:29 |
| Trencher | ... | 07:30 |
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| Trencher | i guess there should be something about NOT trying to run scratchbox before you install the nokia bins | 07:30 |
| disq | trevarth1n: hey, there? | 07:31 |
| _Monkey | there is probably some app that is drawing a lot of power | 07:31 |
| Trencher | megabyte405: where are the kernel sources kept in this image? | 07:41 |
| megabyte405 | for scratchbox? | 07:41 |
| megabyte405 | probably in /scratchbox/src/kernel or something like that | 07:42 |
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| Trencher | no /src | 07:45 |
| megabyte405 | how about usr/src | 07:46 |
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| Trencher | nope | 07:47 |
| megabyte405 | beats me | 07:49 |
| megabyte405 | did you install it | 07:49 |
| megabyte405 | ? | 07:49 |
| Trencher | looks like i have to compile my own? | 07:49 |
| megabyte405 | fakeroot apt-get install kernel-source-rx-43 or something like that | 07:49 |
| Trencher | ah. rx-34 | 07:50 |
| Trencher | close | 07:50 |
| Trencher | very close | 07:50 |
| Trencher | running now | 07:50 |
| Trencher | that's pretty good from memory | 07:50 |
| Trencher | ty very much | 07:50 |
| megabyte405 | not a prob | 07:51 |
| megabyte405 | I'm too low on RAM here to actually fact-check before I say something - firefox is a large-memory app | 07:51 |
| megabyte405 | but if I think I know something, I'm glad to pass it on | 07:51 |
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| Trencher | le-crash | 08:09 |
| Trencher | meh | 08:09 |
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| Trencher | waaaait | 08:34 |
| Trencher | i'm missing something here | 08:35 |
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| Trencher | wow | 08:35 |
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| disq | mmm. nokia people were visible (answering mailing lists, posting in bugzilla, etc) but now it's dead silent. i smell monday meeting. | 09:59 |
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| disq | and i'm bored, yes. | 09:59 |
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| cy- | So where does one get the new firmware anyways? "OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 includes improvements and fixes in:" from nokia's site.. via http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958 | 10:34 |
| disq | http://tablet-dev.maemo.org/ | 10:35 |
| disq | or i think the firmware updater software can download automatically | 10:35 |
| Dasajev | http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 | 10:35 |
| disq | (erm sorry it's not tablet-dev apparently) | 10:36 |
| cy- | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php | 10:37 |
| cy- | cool | 10:37 |
| cy- | rockin' | 10:37 |
| disq | ah that's it | 10:37 |
| cy- | Guess I'll update here shortly :-D | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
| disq | morning | 10:50 |
| Komarov | almost noon here | 10:50 |
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| cy- | sup Jaffa | 10:51 |
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| cy- | Can anyone verify that flasher.macosx works with the N800? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php states "flasher utility (MacOS X on PPC) for the Nokia 770" :P | 11:11 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:14 |
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| X-Fade | Can somebody confirm the following behaviour on 2007-24: | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | Open for example control panel: Press the escape and menu button at the same time with your fat finger and tap somewhere in the application. | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | This closes the app. I can do it in the browser, control panel, notes etc etc.. | 11:19 |
| inz | X-Fade, if you hold the escape for ~3 secs, any window is closed | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | inz: Yes, but this is short press. | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | I noticed it when going to the previous page in my browser. It closed the window when I touched the screen after pressing the back button.. | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | After trying it out, it seemed that I also pressed the menu button at the same time.. | 11:22 |
| inz | X-Fade, true, can reproduce | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | Pressing only the back button with my thumb is pretty hard to do for me :) | 11:23 |
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| tolgam | hi | 11:31 |
| Enok | Where to get apache web server on N800? | 11:31 |
| pyhimys | Enok: you don't want to run apache on n800 | 11:32 |
| Enok | Why not | 11:32 |
| Enok | For local use only | 11:32 |
| pyhimys | Enok: well it is kinda biggish | 11:33 |
| cy- | Enok: run mongrel or something | 11:33 |
| pyhimys | Some would say bloated | 11:33 |
| Veggen | hmm. what about thttpd ? | 11:34 |
| Veggen | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/thttpd/ | 11:34 |
| Enok | Ok I think any web server will do | 11:34 |
| Veggen | hmm, for OS2006. | 11:34 |
| Veggen | and there's nginx (I have tried neither) | 11:36 |
| Enok | Thanks I'll try that | 11:40 |
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| gomiam | mmm... has anyboydy compiled the open CX3110 kernel module? | 11:44 |
| gomiam | see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ | 11:44 |
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| `0660 | i think yes | 11:59 |
| `0660 | at least it's pretty common question if the binary blob needs to be saved separately of that module | 11:59 |
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| Komarov | anyone from Nokia here? maybe somebody who knows Jakub Pavelek? | 12:13 |
| gomiam | `0660: I haven't set the compiler-chain yet. Do you have binaries for that driver? | 12:15 |
| `0660 | no | 12:15 |
| `0660 | but search the developer thread | 12:15 |
| gomiam | ok, thanks | 12:15 |
| `0660 | it was a binary blob you need to copy from the device | 12:15 |
| gomiam | I'll look it up then. | 12:16 |
| jani | dont know jakub, what about him? | 12:17 |
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| inz | fsck, I was afk for two days and my ticket system got flooded with spam comments | 12:18 |
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| inz | X-Fade, mmh, I think the problem goes like this, 1) you press esc, the timeout for closing is set, 2) you press menu, menu is opened and makes a grab, 3) you release esc, key release goes to the menu | 12:35 |
| inz | X-Fade, thus, the timeout is never unset | 12:35 |
| inz | X-Fade, I'm also guessing that having a menu open prevents the window from closing on delete-event (you can also close the menu with menu key) | 12:36 |
| eugene | hi | 12:36 |
| _Monkey | hi, eugene | 12:36 |
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| X-Fade_ | inz: Indeed.. esc, menu..wait a little. menu... That also closes the app. | 13:19 |
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| cosmo | hello, i'm trying to learn maemo development | 13:40 |
| cosmo | first problem: networking does not seem to work in scratchbox | 13:40 |
| cosmo | apt-get update causes "Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'" | 13:40 |
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| jani | thats common issue.. | 13:42 |
| jani | check your entries in /etc/resolv.conf inside your scratchbox .. | 13:43 |
| inz | and nsswitch.conf | 13:43 |
| jani | true, that too. | 13:43 |
| inz | or, more precisely /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf | 13:43 |
| jani | is this issue commented in the wiki ? its asked alot, should be some sort of faq allready | 13:44 |
| Komarov | jani, I've spent days withi this and other bugs around maemo. My advice: find a VMWare image with Ubuntu and scratchbox configured, and just start working@ | 13:45 |
| Komarov | they call it maemo appliance or smth like that | 13:46 |
| inz | I've made a /etc/network/if-up.d -script that updates my resolv.conf when the network is brought up | 13:46 |
| inz | Eases life quite a bit on a laptop | 13:46 |
| jani | Komarov: what ? | 13:50 |
| jani | i didnt have problem with that =) i was just commenting that maybe the issue should be put to maemo wiki as faq cuz it comes up quite often.. | 13:50 |
| Komarov | okaaay... | 13:51 |
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| Komarov | oh, jani... I actually addressed that to cosmo! :-D | 13:53 |
| jani | =) | 13:53 |
| cosmo | Komarov: ok, i'll consider that if setting up sbox seems too hard | 13:55 |
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| Komarov | in my case double-checking all the setting didn't help: I could ping any domain and get any data from internet - except of 'apt-get update' :-E... | 13:56 |
| cosmo | got it working! :) | 13:57 |
| rZr | hi | 13:57 |
| Komarov | what did you do? | 13:57 |
| * rZr is wondering if nokia still provides vounchers for developpers ? | 13:57 | |
| cosmo | i edited /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf (outside sbox) | 13:57 |
| cosmo | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/23438 | 13:57 |
| cosmo | and restarted sbox | 13:58 |
| Komarov | great | 13:59 |
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| jani | Komarov: prolly a case thay you where behind a proxy .. | 14:14 |
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| Komarov | no, I'm sure I wasn't... | 14:18 |
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| Enok | How do I use php in nginx on n800? | 14:20 |
| Mikho | Does anybody know what do "is_ordered" and "is_unique" mean when defining operation parameters in UML? | 14:22 |
| Veggen | Enok: uhm...you don't? ;) | 14:22 |
| cosmo | too bad they've stopped developing laika | 14:23 |
| Mikho | Also, I'd like to know what do similar qualifiers Leaf, Ordered, Static, Unique, Abstract and Query mean when defining UML operations or attributes | 14:23 |
| Veggen | or, read http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/05/30/nginx-php-fastcgi-howto/ | 14:23 |
| Mikho | extremely hard to google | 14:23 |
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| Komarov | Enok, you plan to make a phishing web-site in an open Wi-Fi network? :-) and to host it on N800? :-D | 14:30 |
| Enok | No just local web user interface to launch shell scripts | 14:35 |
| Enok | But good idea though | 14:35 |
| suihkulokki | "<blink>free wireless access point!</blink> enter credit card number for identity verification only" | 14:36 |
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| Enok | There's that php5-fastcgi package in maemo-hackers repository, how to go with that | 14:42 |
| cosmo | should it be possible to actually use apt-get in sbox? i'm getting huge missing dependencies list | 14:46 |
| jani | cosmo: yes, its possible. however by default, i think there's no repositories defined, only your local installation file. | 14:47 |
| jani | not sure thou, i think it was like that. | 14:47 |
| cosmo | there is bora repository in sources.list | 14:48 |
| cosmo | i'm trying to compile maemopad, but it depends on intltool which isn't installed | 14:50 |
| jani | did you use fakeroot with apt-get ? | 14:52 |
| jani | prolly not the issue but .. | 14:52 |
| cosmo | yep | 14:52 |
| cosmo | "Package intltool is not available, but is referred to by another package." | 14:53 |
| eugene | Precompiled kernel with kprobes support for N800 | 14:56 |
| eugene | http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/7002.html | 14:56 |
| jani | maybe, again, just maybe, you have missing devkits from scratchbox installation .. | 14:56 |
| eugene | let me know how it goes.. | 14:56 |
| Enok | Got php working, thanks for any efforts | 14:57 |
| jani | cosmo: sb-menu -> show -> choose your target and it will show a dialog that shows what devkits you have .. | 14:57 |
| cosmo | i've got debian devkit | 14:57 |
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| cosmo | ok, now it compiled. i needed debian-sarge devkit | 15:01 |
| Komarov | darn, I'm totally stuck | 15:03 |
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| Komarov | how do I login to XTerm under root? | 15:04 |
| cosmo | i'll try to get some formal maemo training, but the next one in finland is in fall | 15:04 |
| cosmo | Komarov: install gainroot deb, and run gainroot | 15:04 |
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| Komarov | thanks | 15:04 |
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| draeger | hi everybody, is there a way to backup the current system (apps, config, ...) prior to a firmware update so you dont have to start from scrach again? | 15:07 |
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| Komarov | couldn't find such a deb, do I need to follow old 770 instruction, switch to r&d mode, modify gainroot script etc? | 15:27 |
| Veggen | draeger: apps no, but config yes. there is builtin backup. I always do an OS-based backup (i.e. tar up the whole thing) in addition, though. | 15:29 |
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| draeger | Veggen, hm do you think an rsync of the whole fs will restore my apps as well? | 15:31 |
| Veggen | drager: uh. don't do that, as it will wipe out the upgrade in addition :) And probably render the system unusable in the process. | 15:32 |
| draeger | Veggen: do'h :) | 15:32 |
| Veggen | drager: Do the builtin backup process, then perhaps a dpkg --get-selections to a file you can use as a basis for reinstalling packages. | 15:33 |
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| Komarov | drager: tell me more details... please | 15:35 |
| draeger | Veggen: k, i am mostly concerned about losing the contacts and appointments using GPE but maybe theres a sync too for that somewhere | 15:35 |
| cosmo | Komarov: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/ | 15:36 |
| Veggen | draeger: hmm, I think the backup procedure will make sure you don't lose that. | 15:36 |
| Veggen | And it's anyways in your home dir. I always rsync /home/user somewhere, so you can try to fix manually if it doesn't. | 15:37 |
| draeger | kk i'll check out the builtin backup | 15:37 |
| draeger | thanks for the help Veggen | 15:38 |
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| draeger | Komarov: i hoped for a way to install the new firmware without having to reinstall everything manually | 15:39 |
| Veggen | (side note: I do wish it were possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, myself. It'd be so convenient) | 15:39 |
| eugene | Komarov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html | 15:39 |
| draeger | signed | 15:39 |
| Komarov | thanks | 15:47 |
| eugene | i wonder how i can add my blog to planet maemo | 15:48 |
| gomiam | eugene: do you already have a maemo account? | 15:49 |
| eugene | gomiam: yes i have | 15:49 |
| gomiam | mmm... if anything, that should be the way to do and add your blog | 15:49 |
| gomiam | I can't find a way to do it anonymously (as it should be) | 15:50 |
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| Veggen | Installing openssh and ssh to localhost is even easier, I believe, than RD mode and gainroot? | 15:50 |
| eugene | gomiam: actually, i have an external blog | 15:50 |
| inz | eugene, you can enable rd-mode with the offical flasher too ;) | 15:50 |
| eugene | inz: see the comments in that post :) | 15:50 |
| eugene | inz: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html?nc=2 | 15:50 |
| Veggen | (side note: I always change my /etc/sudoers so that I can sudo su - as soon as I have gotten root the first time) | 15:52 |
| inz | eguene, mentioning the "at your own risk" in the post just makes it sound like "official flasher would be safer, but it cannot do this" | 15:52 |
| eugene | inz: i know :/ | 15:52 |
| eugene | inz: maybe that's why no one wants to try kprobes | 15:53 |
| Mikho | is it possible to multi-thread with N770? | 16:00 |
| inz | Mikho, sure it is | 16:04 |
| keesj | Mikho: like watch porn and read news? | 16:04 |
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| Mikho | so, in java I would just inherit a class from Thread. In maemo I would...? | 16:06 |
| eugene | inz: any idea who i should talk to to have my blog added to the planet? | 16:06 |
| keesj | fork or use pthreads | 16:06 |
| inz | eugene, I think you should email planet@maemo.org or something like that | 16:06 |
| inz | eugene, someone else decided to add my blog, so I've no idea how it's done | 16:07 |
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| Mikho | ok, thanks | 16:07 |
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| eugene | nevermind. guess i don't have to get it added there anyways. no big deal :) | 16:08 |
| inz | Mikho, do note that in C there's no language level support for threds, you don't have keywords like synchronized | 16:09 |
| Komarov | unpacked the 0xFFFF, but there is not install.sh inside | 16:09 |
| Komarov | tried to perform ./0xFFFF -r 1 but it said Permission denied... | 16:09 |
| Mikho | inz, I'm aware of that. That's why I'm asking :) | 16:09 |
| Mikho | never threaded before with C | 16:09 |
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| eugene | Komarov: sudo su -, or su - | 16:10 |
| eugene | Komarov: need root privileges | 16:10 |
| Mikho | I guess I should manually solve the critical section problem | 16:10 |
| keesj | Mikho: I guess that in c you would more try to build event driver programs (that usualy means you don't need threads) | 16:11 |
| eugene | Komarov: just in case you don't know... read the README/INSTALL files... | 16:11 |
| Komarov | in the instruction it's said to do: $ cd 0xFFFF-0.2* && sh install.sh | 16:11 |
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| Komarov | I don't need r&d mode itself, I'm trying to get root | 16:12 |
| Mikho | event driver programs? | 16:12 |
| keesj | event driven programming , sorry for my bad spelling. | 16:12 |
| eugene | in the INSTALL, it says: | 16:13 |
| eugene | Just type: | 16:13 |
| eugene | $ make | 16:13 |
| eugene | I am not sure where it says sh install.sh | 16:13 |
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| Komarov | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=down | 16:14 |
| eugene | ok | 16:16 |
| Komarov | I dl'ed the binary | 16:16 |
| inz | Mikho, in event driven programming you only do things when they're triggered by some event | 16:16 |
| Mikho | well, I'm planning of creating a separate thread that reads RFID tags and sends the data to a buffer from which another thread reads the data | 16:16 |
| Komarov | I understood I don't need 0xFFFF at this point as I don't have root yet | 16:16 |
| eugene | Komarov: no... | 16:16 |
| eugene | Komarov: there are many ways to gain root prvileges. enabling r&d mode is one of the ways. | 16:17 |
| Mikho | would there be a power efficient solution without threads? | 16:17 |
| inz | Mikho, depends on the RFID reader and the length of the processing of read values | 16:17 |
| eugene | Komarov: in order to use the flasher program, be it 0xffff or the one provided by nokia, you need to have root privileges in order to flash anything in the first place | 16:17 |
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| Mikho | I'd assume the length of processing is pretty short | 16:18 |
| inz | Mikho, can you get events from the rfid reader, or do you need to call some function that blocks until there's something to read? | 16:18 |
| inz | Mikho, glib has pretty decent main loop that can monitor file descriptors | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | eugene: email planet@maemo.org, ferenc's very friendly | 16:20 |
| eugene | Jaffa: ok thanks | 16:21 |
| Komarov | i'm not sure I can make connection over USB in case when I'm running Ubuntu in the VMWare under Windows | 16:21 |
| keesj | Mikho: interesting what are you up to? | 16:21 |
| Mikho | I'm not sure how it works | 16:21 |
| Mikho | haven't even seen the reader hardware yet | 16:22 |
| inz | Mikho, cannot really say then, but I'd guess you'd be better off using glib main loop there | 16:23 |
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| Mikho | ok | 16:23 |
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| inz | Mikho, threads have a tendency to bite you in the arse when you're not looking ;) | 16:24 |
| Mikho | looks like the main problem is power consumption | 16:24 |
| Mikho | :) | 16:24 |
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| inz | Mikho, there shouldn't be that much difference between two threads, one waiting in read(), and another sleeping in a semaphore/monitor and having one thread sleeping in poll() | 16:27 |
| ryanfaerman | mrning | 16:28 |
| ryanfaerman | sup? | 16:28 |
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| ryanfaerman | yo | 16:30 |
| Mikho | three threads? | 16:31 |
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| Mikho | Looks like I should review my notes about scheduling threads... | 16:32 |
| Komarov | these instructions make me feel totally dumb! | 16:32 |
| Komarov | I read here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/ | 16:32 |
| Komarov | Once you've updated the repositories, you need to install the following packages: * becomeroot * osso-xterm | 16:32 |
| Komarov | ...and how do I do that?? | 16:33 |
| Komarov | everywhere in the instructions it's said in such a short way that a newbie has to always stop and go look for the missing info somewhere else | 16:34 |
| `0660 | that's true | 16:34 |
| `0660 | could you please fix those pages when you know how to fix them? :) | 16:34 |
| cosmo | Komarov: go to red pill mode and use application manager to install them | 16:34 |
| Veggen | Komarov: the rest is done through the application manager. | 16:34 |
| Komarov | ha-ha, I start to think I'll never do :-( | 16:34 |
| Komarov | I've looked through all the software categories in the App manager | 16:35 |
| Veggen | (oh, you need red pill mode? I wish we could get rid of that thing) | 16:35 |
| Komarov | I think I have the required libs but when I exec this command - it still says the same | 16:35 |
| cosmo | you need to be in red pill to make app manager to show all packages | 16:35 |
| Veggen | ...at least for packages that are actually meant to be installed by users. | 16:35 |
| Komarov | another surprise... | 16:36 |
| * Komarov load that wiki page in the edit mode | 16:36 | |
| Komarov | allright, and I'm supposed to have seen the Matrix film and have in mind which pill color is mode advanced? :-D | 16:36 |
| * Komarov went googling red/blue modes | 16:37 | |
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| draeger | especially which one will totally mess up your life ;) | 16:37 |
| Komarov | aha | 16:38 |
| inz | Mikho, no two threads vs. one thread | 16:39 |
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| Komarov | uhm... I can't edit that page... | 16:42 |
| Mikho | I really don't like polling | 16:43 |
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| inz | Mikho, poll() isn't polling | 16:44 |
| Mikho | erm? | 16:45 |
| inz | Mikho, it's quite the opposite | 16:45 |
| Mikho | Looks like there's something I didn't quite understand | 16:45 |
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| Komarov | allright, I went to Tools > Application catalogue as it's said here: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html | 16:46 |
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| Komarov | and where is there "New" that I should click?? there is none | 16:46 |
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| Komarov | :-( | 16:46 |
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| Dasajev | From the menu, Tools->Application catalog just like it says | 16:49 |
| Mikho | I'm planning on creating 3 threads for my application. One that handles RFID reading and creates event to a event buffer, one that monitors the event buffer and one that creates the GUI and finally blocks in gtk_main() | 16:49 |
| Mikho | I wonder if I could do with just one | 16:49 |
| Mikho | or two | 16:50 |
| Komarov | I'm in the Tool->Application catalog, bu I see no "New" button here | 16:50 |
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| Veggen | Komarov: perhaps it's from the menu, not button? | 16:50 |
| Komarov | There is (from top to bottom) Main screen; Installed applications; Web catalog; Apps to install; Updates | 16:50 |
| Komarov | oh!! | 16:51 |
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| Komarov | all right... I finally got red pill mode | 17:04 |
| Komarov | so now I go and install necessary apps & libs | 17:04 |
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| Veggen | Komarov, a warning: be careful about which packages you update while in red pill mode, etc :) | 17:05 |
| Veggen | busybox, in particular, isn't very wise to update. | 17:05 |
| Komarov | rly?? thanks for warning, but... | 17:05 |
| Veggen | (without checking first) | 17:05 |
| Komarov | and how about bluez-utils, dbus? | 17:05 |
| trevarth1n | Wow, have you guys seen all the SD card corruption issues with the new firmware and SDHC cards?!? | 17:06 |
| Veggen | it might be best, for a beginner, to enable red pill mode, install the needed packages, then disable red pill mode again? | 17:06 |
| trevarth1n | No way I'm upgrading until that crap is fixed. | 17:06 |
| inz | Mikho, if you read the RFID things from a file descriptor, you could create and GIOChannel and add watch it inside the gtk_main() | 17:06 |
| inz | -add | 17:07 |
| Mikho | hmm | 17:08 |
| Komarov | aaaargh... I closed the page with instructions how to become root and now can't find it!! | 17:08 |
| Komarov | gotcha! :-D | 17:09 |
| inz | Mikho, (see for example g_io_channel_unix_new and g_io_add_watch) | 17:09 |
| draeger | Veggen, will/is there be a standalone install for skype which does not require an entire fw update? | 17:10 |
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| Komarov | oookaaay.... I try $sudo gainroot | 17:10 |
| Mikho | ok, thanks | 17:10 |
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| inz | Mikho, for multithreaded, see pthread_create, sem_init, sem_wait, sem_post | 17:11 |
| Komarov | but it still says the same. what do I do? How can I get info whether I have * becomeroot * osso-xterm? I don't see it in the list of apps to install but I also don't see it in the list of installed apps!! | 17:12 |
| inz | Mikho, (monitors are supposedly better than semaphores, but I've never used them ;) | 17:12 |
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| draeger | the shell prompt shuld have changed from $ to # | 17:12 |
| Komarov | I restarted it, it didn't. | 17:13 |
| draeger | it should look like this | 17:13 |
| Komarov | I mean I started X Terminal, right? | 17:13 |
| draeger | $ sudo gainroot | 17:13 |
| draeger | # | 17:13 |
| Veggen | draeger: no idea :) I am just a user, not a Nokia developer, myself :) | 17:13 |
| draeger | to bad ;) | 17:13 |
| Komarov | it says: cal_read_block(r&d mode): size zero, block not found? | 17:14 |
| Komarov | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 17:14 |
| Komarov | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/ | 17:14 |
| draeger | then you have to enable r&d mode via the app manager | 17:14 |
| Mikho | ok, I'll check those keywords | 17:14 |
| eugene | Komarov: didn't you follow the instructions to the url i pointed you? | 17:14 |
| Komarov | didn't find any instruction here to go to r&d! that's why I didn't!! | 17:14 |
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| eugene | Komarov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html | 17:15 |
| * Komarov sighs | 17:15 | |
| eugene | Komarov: just relax, read through, and follow the instructions. it's very simple. | 17:15 |
| eugene | Komarov: download the program, su -, run the program, and you are done. | 17:15 |
| Komarov | thanks for you patience guys | 17:16 |
| eugene | no worries. | 17:16 |
| eugene | Komarov: you might want to learn some basics of apt-get too. dpkg -l to list all installed apps. apt-cache search <app name> to search, and apt-get install <app name> to install. | 17:18 |
| Komarov | allright, I follow you instruction in the LJ. I've downloaded the binary, unpacked it and have several dirs, in the bin I see 0xFFFF | 17:18 |
| eugene | Komarov: ok. | 17:18 |
| Komarov | I made a+x but still if I try to run it I get Permission denied | 17:18 |
| eugene | Komarov: type id, and show methe output | 17:18 |
| Komarov | user/users | 17:18 |
| eugene | good. | 17:19 |
| eugene | type su - | 17:19 |
| eugene | wait | 17:19 |
| eugene | where are you now? | 17:19 |
| eugene | in the n800 shell? | 17:19 |
| eugene | or your host machine? | 17:19 |
| Komarov | uhm... I do it in the X Terminal on the N800 itself :-) | 17:19 |
| draeger | :) | 17:19 |
| eugene | i have not tried to do it within n800 itself.. :) | 17:19 |
| Komarov | I thought I should run it there because the binary is compiled to ARM | 17:20 |
| eugene | Komarov: for flashing, it doesn't matter. | 17:20 |
| Komarov | so I need to exec it on my host? | 17:20 |
| eugene | yes. | 17:20 |
| eugene | su - | 17:21 |
| eugene | off your n800 | 17:21 |
| Komarov | I can't imagine how to setup network between n800 and my host insive a VM | 17:21 |
| eugene | ./0xffff blah blah | 17:21 |
| eugene | on your n800 | 17:21 |
| eugene | done | 17:21 |
| Komarov | wait wait wait... and how about the name of that page: | 17:21 |
| Komarov | The really EASY way to become root of your Nokia 770 (no ssh, no R&D ...) | 17:21 |
| eugene | i have not try that, your on your own. | 17:22 |
| Komarov | i'm shocked... | 17:23 |
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| Komarov | all that stuff there is so incomplete and old... | 17:23 |
| Komarov | and I can't fix it inspite of that it's wiki | 17:24 |
| eugene | it's users contributions. user make an effort to update them. | 17:24 |
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| Komarov | I'm registered, so how do I do that? | 17:24 |
| eugene | Komarov: are you using windows? | 17:25 |
| Komarov | yeah... | 17:26 |
| eugene | Komarov: just use the windows flasher. problem solved. | 17:26 |
| Komarov | I also have Ubuntu installed but I can't setup scratchbox there because of that apt-get error | 17:26 |
| eugene | Komarov: are you familiar with debian and apt-get stuff? | 17:26 |
| Komarov | nope, but I honestly checked and re-checked all the places I should | 17:27 |
| Komarov | according to instructions and advices given here | 17:27 |
| eugene | Komarov: then honestly, learn the basics first, before you even start working on scratchbox. | 17:27 |
| eugene | Komarov: following the instructions blindly won't help you much. really. | 17:27 |
| Komarov | I had DNS and network set up normally but apt-get didn't work while everything elsedid | 17:28 |
| eugene | that's probably a question you migiht want to ask @ #ubuntu | 17:28 |
| Komarov | thanks for an advice... I didn't expect it will be so sophisticated | 17:29 |
| eugene | Komarov: another way is to install dropbear ssh (google for some tutorial) | 17:29 |
| eugene | Komarov: and then ssh root@n800's ip, and use the password rootme. | 17:30 |
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| eugene | Komarov: it's not that complicated really. not sure why it's complicated for you. i'm just trying to help :) | 17:30 |
| Komarov | looks like I'm just dummy :-) | 17:31 |
| eugene | nah, you just need to learn... you skipped a couple of steps that you shouldn't :) | 17:31 |
| inz | eugene, I think the windows flasher doesn't support setting r&d-mode | 17:31 |
| Komarov | that's a bad windows programmer habit - to expect that docs are recent and detailed | 17:31 |
| inz | Komarov, install dropbear-server and ssh root@localhost ;) | 17:31 |
| eugene | inz: oh. ok. thanks, i don't know that | 17:31 |
| Komarov | I actually already have it installed, will try... | 17:32 |
| Komarov | never worked in a network over USB, need some time | 17:32 |
| `0660 | just change the root password quickly... | 17:32 |
| Komarov | And I also wasn't born with the knowledge of what the n800 IP is :-D but I'll google it | 17:33 |
| eugene | hehe | 17:33 |
| eugene | Komarov: if you already have xterm, then type ssh root@localhost | 17:33 |
| Komarov | yeah baby!! | 17:34 |
| eugene | i think that is a sign of good news | 17:35 |
| Komarov | god, I've forgot 10 time what I actually planned to do | 17:35 |
| Komarov | before I started this root-war :-) | 17:35 |
| eugene | that happens to me a lot too | 17:35 |
| eugene | i'm supposed to do something | 17:35 |
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| Komarov | this is a great way to become a root, I think that old instruction should be replaced by something shorter now | 17:36 |
| eugene | it's a matter of preference and choices | 17:36 |
| pyhimys | can i use the the flasher-2.0.macosx to update latest firmware to n800? | 17:36 |
| pyhimys | Preferably without bricking the device | 17:37 |
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| pyhimys | Apparently yes | 17:40 |
| pyhimys | I have a g4 powerbook. | 17:40 |
| pyhimys | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5731 | 17:40 |
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| Komarov | is there Midnight Commander for n800? | 18:00 |
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| vbraun | I'm trying to flash my n800 under Fedora 7, but flasher is stuck at "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 18:28 |
| vbraun | running strace, it seems to search under /dev/bus/usb/00*/* but the n800 does not show up there. | 18:32 |
| florian | vbraun: turn it off and on again... you need to be in bootloader for flashing | 18:32 |
| vbraun | it is listed in /proc/bus/usb/00*/* | 18:32 |
| vbraun | I turned in on with home button, its showing the "NOKIA" screen with the usb symbol in the corner right now. | 18:32 |
| florian | Do you have procbususb mounted on /proc/bus/usb? | 18:34 |
| vbraun | only proc on /proc type proc (rw) | 18:34 |
| florian | ah, then mount that usb stuff in there | 18:35 |
| vbraun | is there a procbususb in 2.6.21? | 18:35 |
| florian | vbraun: i guess so | 18:37 |
| vbraun | Not on fedora, apparently | 18:37 |
| vbraun | I flashed with fedora core 6 previously, and that worked | 18:38 |
| florian | iirc it is not used per default in some distributions anymore... maybe you need to load a module. | 18:38 |
| vbraun | but the flasher looks into /dev/bus/usb/00*/* | 18:40 |
| vbraun | so if anything it needs something mounted under /dev | 18:40 |
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| vbraun | or maybe some udev rule to create the usb entry? | 18:40 |
| chunow | hi | 18:40 |
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| vbraun | ok, flashing now after really ugly hack: mv /dev/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb-old && ln -s /proc/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb | 18:43 |
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| egsavage | any nokia 770 users around ? was wondering about RAM | 18:48 |
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| Fatal | i'm online from my 770 atm | 18:50 |
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| inz | vbraun, can you do: mount procbususb /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs | 18:53 |
| inz | erm | 18:53 |
| inz | sorry, my bad | 18:53 |
| inz | flasher works for me, and my computer uses /proc/bus/usb (not /dev/bus/usb) | 18:54 |
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| xxxx85 | hi | 18:56 |
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| vbraun | [root@carrot bus]# mount procbususb /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs | 19:07 |
| vbraun | mount: procbususb already mounted or /proc/bus/usb busy | 19:07 |
| vbraun | (for the record) | 19:07 |
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| vbraun | inz: are you using Fedora 7? | 19:09 |
| inz | vbraun, nope, ubuntu dapper | 19:09 |
| inz | The path comes from libusb, so I'm guessing Fedora is broken | 19:12 |
| vbraun | "mount -t usbfs none /dev/bus/usb" works | 19:12 |
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| vbraun | Either fedora is broken or /dev/bus/usb is depreciated and should be somewhere in /sys | 19:13 |
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| vbraun | trying to find out which ;-) | 19:13 |
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| keesj | where can i download that plankton ting? | 19:15 |
| keesj | thing | 19:15 |
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| Mikho | hmm, glade looks like a sensible choice for creating UI:s for maemo. Does anybody have experience on that? | 19:33 |
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| dragorn | Look at the maemo dev wiki and see if there are libglade methods for handling the hildon bits | 19:40 |
| dragorn | otherwise, yes, presumably as long as you have libglade and xml support on the device it'll work | 19:40 |
| dragorn | I usually just build my gtk interfaces in code, but I'm ornery like that | 19:40 |
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| Mikho | hmm, my scratchbox has libglade2 but not libglade3 | 19:42 |
| Mikho | oh, libglade is 2.0 at max, but glade itself is 3 | 19:44 |
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| Presence_ | hey guys...were can I get a good busybox with ping that doesnt segfault when I "ps" | 19:49 |
| Presence_ | I have busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel I dont care about ipv6 | 19:50 |
| suihkulokki | you can build a separate ping app | 19:50 |
| Presence_ | I dont have a sandbox to compile in :( | 19:51 |
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| Presence_ | hmm...stopped segfaulting | 19:53 |
| Presence_ | anyone had luck with WPA using cisco LEAP? | 19:53 |
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| Presence_ | how do you move apps that installed without asking you where? | 20:06 |
| Presence_ | (I want my xterm out of "extras") | 20:06 |
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| killfill | damn.. i forgot to backup my repos before flashing.. :S | 20:09 |
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| inz | pres, controlpanel / navigation -> organize | 20:10 |
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| Presence_ | cool | 20:11 |
| killfill | the skye client is cool.. | 20:11 |
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| killfill | is there a new SIP client around?.. | 20:12 |
| Presence_ | hmm...no "navigation" icon | 20:13 |
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| trevarth1n | OK, so I found a name for my ukmp knock off. I'm calling it Kagu Media Player. The mascot is a kagu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu And if K.A.G.U. was an acronym (I don't think it is), it would stand for Kagu Ardently Granulates Ukmp, because Kagu is a rewrite of ukmp with a heavy focus on object oriented design. | 20:13 |
| trevarth1n | And now, I'm renaming my svn repo and having done with it. :) Too much thinking about recursive acronyms and stupid birds. | 20:14 |
| Presence_ | ah, task navigtor | 20:14 |
| disq | mmm, nice | 20:16 |
| disq | btw, please add maemoscrobbler support? :P | 20:16 |
| disq | i've been playing with ukmp, it's supposed to be 5 minutes of work but looks like it's going to take longer, missing some data structures here and there | 20:17 |
| trevarth1n | ukmp? missing data structures? huh? | 20:18 |
| trevarth1n | This ukmp? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp/ | 20:19 |
| killfill | isnt there a link for "click here to add all apr repositories"?.. :P | 20:19 |
| disq | what kind of person keeps the songlist with prepended track numbers | 20:20 |
| trevarth1n | disq: why does it matter? :) | 20:20 |
| disq | submitting the current playing track/artist/album via dbus, it does :) | 20:21 |
| Presence_ | can you increase the ram in the 770? | 20:21 |
| gomiam | killfill: there _is_ a link that adds some repositories :-P | 20:21 |
| Presence_ | I put a 2G mmc in...but its just storage | 20:21 |
| gomiam | (actually, it's a maemo package available through the application manager) | 20:22 |
| disq | so i'm making a songlist_clean[] array. not a clean approach but i'll try that first | 20:22 |
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| killfill | gomiam: really?.. where? :P | 20:22 |
| * gomiam checks... | 20:22 | |
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| trevarth1n | disq: Is this ukmp related work? If so, you might want to play with Kongu, it's got a much cleaner object system. Might save you a lot of time. | 20:22 |
| trevarth1n | err.... kagu | 20:23 |
| trevarth1n | can't remember my own player's name. | 20:23 |
| disq | :) kongo. | 20:23 |
| trevarth1n | yeah. :) | 20:23 |
| trevarth1n | let me know if you want a tar.gz. | 20:23 |
| disq | just adding maemoscrobbler support, to test how the api works etc mostly. i might also submit a patch if i get the hang of it | 20:24 |
| disq | i do :) | 20:24 |
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| gomiam | killfill: look for maemo-repository | 20:24 |
| trevarth1n | First, do you have python 2.5? | 20:24 |
| gomiam | it's available at the mistral free packages from maemo | 20:24 |
| disq | btw, any idea how the song length/position is reported from gst? the integers are awfully big (11650612244 and 233000000000, etc) | 20:24 |
| gomiam | then again, you can use my sources.list (I hope you are using n800) | 20:25 |
| disq | yeah i have 2.5 | 20:25 |
| gomiam | http://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list | 20:25 |
| gomiam | it's an oldish copy | 20:25 |
| trevarth1n | disq: not sure yet. kagu is a mplayer frontend in it's current state, though I plan to add gst support shortly. | 20:25 |
| gomiam | but it might a good place to start | 20:25 |
| Presence_ | anyone have luck using a windows box for ip connectivity? | 20:25 |
| trevarth1n | ok. kagu requires 2.5. Hang on for a URL. | 20:25 |
| gomiam | Presence_: through USB? through WiFi? | 20:26 |
| Presence_ | well, it appears that it doesnt support cisco LEAP on wifi. | 20:26 |
| Presence_ | I dont know how I could get IP through USB... | 20:26 |
| killfill | maemo-repository?.. | 20:26 |
| gomiam | killfill: forget about that package. It's a mistral free package at repository.maemo.org | 20:27 |
| gomiam | or don't forget about it | 20:27 |
| gomiam | it will add a few extra repositories | 20:27 |
| killfill | mistral wants an old version of maemo? | 20:27 |
| gomiam | nope | 20:27 |
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| gomiam | it works perfectly on N800+IT 2007 | 20:27 |
| killfill | hm.. /me confused | 20:27 |
| gomiam | Presence_: IP over USB requires developer-mode, IIRC | 20:28 |
| killfill | well.. ill just stick your sources.list in here.. :) | 20:28 |
| killfill | thanks! | 20:28 |
| gomiam | http://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list | 20:28 |
| gomiam | it's there | 20:28 |
| killfill | yup greate | 20:28 |
| gomiam | if I drop it here I'll be flood-disconnected | 20:28 |
| killfill | ill goto lunch | 20:28 |
| killfill | brb | 20:28 |
| gomiam | bye | 20:28 |
| Presence_ | I wanted IP over bluetooth...and there are docs on it...but the commands tell me "protocol not supported" | 20:28 |
| Presence_ | its like I dont have the proper module loaded | 20:29 |
| gomiam | ? | 20:29 |
| gomiam | I guess I can't help there. I'm using WiFi through and through. | 20:29 |
| Presence_ | I use wifi at home with WPA2 PSK...but here I need Leap | 20:30 |
| disq | trevarth1n: found it, dividing the gst_time to gst.MSECOND gives you time in miliseconds | 20:30 |
| disq | or gst.SECOND for seconds | 20:30 |
| gomiam | Presence_: mmm... you have a Bluetooth enabled computer that isn't a laptop, perhaps? | 20:30 |
| Presence_ | it is a laptop. | 20:30 |
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| Presence_ | I can find it when I search... | 20:31 |
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| gomiam | and how does that laptop connect to Internet? Over WiFi? | 20:31 |
| Presence_ | over either cable or wifi...here I use rj45 | 20:32 |
| trevarthan | disq: cool, I'll keep that in mind. | 20:32 |
| gomiam | Presence_: you may want to share your cable connection through the WiFi interface | 20:32 |
| gomiam | I have done that sometimes. | 20:33 |
| Presence_ | ah, I see...set up wifi ad-hoc | 20:33 |
| gomiam | Presence_: or even as a host, if your laptop's WiFi cards allows you to. | 20:33 |
| gomiam | s/host/access point/ | 20:33 |
| infobot | gomiam meant: Presence_: or even as a access point, if your laptop's WiFi cards allows you to. | 20:33 |
| gomiam | my USB ZD1211 WiFi card's software lets me set up an AP | 20:34 |
| Presence_ | they might detect it as a rogue...but since Im on the security teammm. | 20:34 |
| Presence_ | bt would be better | 20:34 |
| Presence_ | I have a cisco card that will do pretty much everything | 20:34 |
| gomiam | rogue? No problem. Just don't advertise it :-) | 20:34 |
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| fuelfive | is there a way to get the WLAN id from the command line? | 20:34 |
| gomiam | wlan id? | 20:34 |
| gomiam | as in the ESSID? | 20:34 |
| gomiam | or do you mean the wlan interface name? | 20:35 |
| fuelfive | the number that Nokia uses as a serial number | 20:35 |
| fuelfive | under the battery | 20:35 |
| fuelfive | also visible in system info | 20:35 |
| gomiam | oh, yes | 20:35 |
| gomiam | /sbin/ifconfig -a wlan0 | 20:35 |
| gomiam | of course, you need to prune the data a bit :-) | 20:36 |
| fuelfive | hehe, thanks :) testing it now | 20:36 |
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| gomiam | script line to get it: | 20:38 |
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| gomiam | ifconfig -a wlan0|grep HW|cut -f2- -dH|cut -f2 -d\ | 20:39 |
| gomiam | there's a space character after d\ | 20:39 |
| gomiam | it's a bit convoluted, but it will do the work | 20:39 |
| gomiam | since I don't remember whether there's sed in the N800 | 20:39 |
| fuelfive | neat thanks | 20:39 |
| fuelfive | this saves me a regexp in python | 20:39 |
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| gomiam | even shorter, since _there is_ sed in N800 | 20:41 |
| gomiam | /sbin/ifconfig -a |grep HW|sed -e "s/.*HWaddr //" | 20:41 |
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| fuelfive | excellent | 20:42 |
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| gomiam | then again, since Python has regexp's, you may want to use them inside Python and not as part of a shellscript. | 20:42 |
| fuelfive | I have to call commands.getstatusoutput("...") anyway, so I may as well make it one line | 20:42 |
| * gomiam checks whether there's a file with the information about the netcard... | 20:42 | |
| fuelfive | it's cool, this works great | 20:43 |
| gomiam | no problem, I'm just curious :-) | 20:43 |
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| gomiam | I need to buy a Bt keyboard soon | 20:43 |
| gomiam | the virtual kbd gets old quicly | 20:43 |
| fuelfive | I just use ssh from my main machine | 20:44 |
| gomiam | s/ly/kly/ | 20:44 |
| infobot | gomiam meant: the virtual kbd gets old quickly | 20:44 |
| fuelfive | so its not so bad | 20:44 |
| gomiam | that's what I'm doing _now_ :-D | 20:44 |
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| fuelfive | yeah, bt would make some stuff easier, specifically when I'm off the grid | 20:44 |
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| Presence_ | so the 800 is alot better huh? I got the 770 because it was like $159 | 20:49 |
| gomiam | Presence_: well, the N800 has double the processor speed (and a FP math coprocessor), double the RAM double the inner Flash, two SD slots (which now support up to 8GB) | 20:49 |
| gomiam | yeah, you could say it's a bit better ;-) | 20:50 |
| Presence_ | but alot more expensive :) | 20:50 |
| gomiam | true, true | 20:50 |
| trevarthan | disq: (and anyone else who wants the latest version of kagu) http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz | 20:50 |
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| Presence_ | I wish I could increase the ram in this thing though | 20:50 |
| gomiam | killfill: ok, I found where in /sys lis the WiFi MAC | 20:51 |
| trevarthan | disq: I think it's free of memory leaks right now, but it still has a very large memory footprint. I hope to reduce that in the near future. You'll need mplayer and python 2.5 to run it, then: `cd kagu-dist; ./kagu-scanner.py; ./kagu.py` | 20:52 |
| gomiam | /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address | 20:52 |
| gomiam | fuelfive: /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address has the MAC address of your WiFi card. | 20:52 |
| trevarthan | a2dp? | 20:52 |
| _Monkey | i think a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) | 20:52 |
| ||cw | yeh but the n800 is only a little more expensive that the 770 was when it was new | 20:52 |
| trevarthan | disq: if you want a2dp support, follow the instruction on that page above first, then it should just work automatically in kagu. | 20:53 |
| fuelfive | wow | 20:53 |
| fuelfive | nice find gomiam | 20:53 |
| gomiam | O:-) | 20:53 |
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| gomiam | curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought him back. | 20:53 |
| trevarthan | kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 20:55 |
| _Monkey | somebody said kagu was not ukmp! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | forget kagu | 20:55 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot kagu | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 20:55 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | good monkey. | 20:56 |
| trevarthan | badmonkey? | 20:56 |
| _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! | 20:56 |
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| gomiam | ermm... where does Maemo store the wireless LAN information? | 20:56 |
| gomiam | (AP names, WEP keys and the like) | 20:56 |
| trevarthan | goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. | 20:56 |
| fuelfive | I think it's gconf | 20:56 |
| trevarthan | goodmonkey? | 20:56 |
| _Monkey | goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. | 20:56 |
| fuelfive | er, in gconf | 20:56 |
| fuelfive | but you can always do iwlist wlan0 scanning | 20:57 |
| gomiam | that won't give me the WEP keys I fear :-) | 20:57 |
| fuelfive | true true | 20:57 |
| trevarthan | forget a2dp | 20:57 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot a2dp | 20:57 |
| fuelfive | gconf stores it, although I don't understand the format of the WPA keys | 20:57 |
| trevarthan | a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu. | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | a2dp? | 20:58 |
| _Monkey | i guess a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu. | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | goodmonkey | 20:58 |
| _Monkey | goodmonkey is probably a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. | 20:58 |
| Presence_ | I wish the 770 used SD cards, I have a buttload of them | 21:00 |
| disq | trevarthan: album_cache.tga reading thingy needs exception handling. any albumcache image i could use? | 21:01 |
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| trevarthan | disq: kagu-scanner.py generates albumcache.tga. | 21:05 |
| trevarthan | you should run kagu-scanner.py first. | 21:05 |
| disq | ok ;) | 21:05 |
| trevarthan | also, for the time being, I think your current working directory needs to be kagu-dist, otherwise the module imports will probably fail. I'll make that more robust when I release a .deb. | 21:06 |
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| disq | interested in UnicodeEncodeErrors? :) | 21:07 |
| trevarthan | scared of them, yes. | 21:07 |
| trevarthan | python is a real pain in the rear when it comes to unicode. | 21:08 |
| trevarthan | disq: what is your locale set to? | 21:08 |
| disq | en_GB, and LC_TIME is de_DE | 21:09 |
| disq | http://pastebin.com/945156 | 21:10 |
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| trevarthan | pastebin is slow..... | 21:10 |
| disq | very | 21:11 |
| trevarthan | disq: still not pulling up. try pastebin.ca maybe? | 21:11 |
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| trevarthan | nm. it came up | 21:12 |
| disq | try this: http://pastebin.ca/610918 | 21:12 |
| disq | ah ok | 21:12 |
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| trevarthan | disq: I'm not 100% sure how to fix that error. Probably replacing params with params.encode('ascii','ignore') would be the first thing I'd try. | 21:13 |
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| trevarthan | I don't have many unicode albums, unfortunately, so testing is difficult for me. | 21:15 |
| disq | trying :) | 21:15 |
| disq | txdata = urllib.urlencode(params.encode('ascii', 'ignore')) | 21:16 |
| disq | AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'encode' | 21:16 |
| disq | anyway i'll play with it some more | 21:16 |
| trevarthan | I think python is retarded for not handling ascii conversions more cleverly without throwing exceptions. I welcome any patches you might have for that. | 21:16 |
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| trevarthan | Does anyone know of a free, easy to use SVN and Trac hosting solution? I don't like maemo garage because it uses cvsview instead of trac... | 21:21 |
| disq | get ferenc to install trac? :P | 21:22 |
| jumpula | :) | 21:22 |
| disq | trevarthan: params = {'q':imageSearch.encode('ascii', 'ignore')} work, but then you have to also convert album art files to ascii because "image = pygame.image.load(self.art_path)" fails. converting art_path to ascii could work but you also have to actually save the covers as ascii. you know the code best, should be much quicker | 21:24 |
| Presence_ | hmm...I need to find multi-player "hunt" for the n770 :) | 21:26 |
| Presence_ | Man, I cant believe that verizon is expecting me to pay $59/month for data through my phone | 21:27 |
| joshin | How can I disable (or better control) the power savings mode that turns off the backlight and screen? When connected to AC, I want the screen to stay on. | 21:27 |
| Presence_ | $44.99 for data, $15 for tether | 21:27 |
| trevarthan | disq: actually, I have no idea what is best as I don't have the problem here. Send me a patch that works for you and I'll apply it. I think the root of the problem is that urllib doesn't like unicode. So if you convert a copy of it and pass it to urllib, that might be ok. | 21:28 |
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| trevarthan | Usually the file system, pygame, and sqlite3 won't have any problem with unicode. It's usually just print statements and other libraries that choke. | 21:29 |
| disq | joshin: download acmonitor from here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages | 21:30 |
| joshin | Thanks disq! | 21:30 |
| disq | urllib having problems with unicode really sucks. so much stuff is utf8 nowadays on the internet | 21:31 |
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| trevarthan | I know. I'm really disgusted with that aspect of python. | 21:31 |
| trevarthan | I think ultimately I'm going to have to either have programmers in other locales fix the problems for me, or else start collecting sample albums from foreign locales so I can fix it myself... | 21:32 |
| killfill | gomiam: hey you there? | 21:33 |
| trevarthan | I'd prefer to do the former.... no time for the latter right now, really. | 21:33 |
| killfill | guys.. how do i become root?.. sudo -s doesnt seem to work.. | 21:34 |
| killfill | im trying to copy gomiam's sources.list in my device.. | 21:34 |
| derf | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 21:34 |
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| Presence_ | sudo su - when you use the howdoibecomeroot2 script | 21:35 |
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| derf | I just always run in R&D mode. | 21:35 |
| Presence_ | heh | 21:35 |
| _Shurik_ | hello maemen and maewomen | 21:35 |
| Presence_ | what keyboards are you guys using? | 21:36 |
| Presence_ | and what usb devices are you finding to be useful | 21:36 |
| * _Shurik_ onscreen | 21:36 | |
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| killfill | hm.. i need sshd.. | 21:37 |
| Presence_ | onscreen is ok until you open xterm :) | 21:37 |
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| Presence_ | there is both dropbear and openssh | 21:37 |
| _Shurik_ | indeed | 21:37 |
| Presence_ | I use dropbear even though I was an openssh dev (less space required) | 21:37 |
| _Shurik_ | well, It just seems like extra keyboard are just going to be clumsy | 21:37 |
| _Shurik_ | unless there was something really small that can be part of the case | 21:38 |
| derf | I wouldn't want to lug one around, and certainly wouldn't want to pay $100 for the privelege. | 21:38 |
| _Shurik_ | but now a keybard-case that I'm screaming about for a while now... that would be nice | 21:39 |
| _Shurik_ | we will never have one though pretty sure | 21:39 |
| Presence_ | sshing into it would be fine, but there are problems 1) Not always having an IP, 2) not wanting to drag a pc along, and 3) you dont have gui access to the device | 21:39 |
| killfill | cannot find any sshd for n800 ..:S | 21:39 |
| _Shurik_ | now, crazy thing but I can't get Xterm installed on the latest firmware | 21:39 |
| _Shurik_ | well, libcurses5 actually | 21:40 |
| _Shurik_ | pretty sure that I'm just doing something wrong | 21:40 |
| _Shurik_ | is there single file install for xterm somewhere? | 21:40 |
| Presence_ | yeah | 21:41 |
| Presence_ | xterm-osso | 21:41 |
| killfill | hm.. ssh root@ip <--- whats the default pass?.. | 21:42 |
| derf | rootme | 21:42 |
| jumpula | for the device? | 21:42 |
| jumpula | rootme, yes | 21:42 |
| killfill | aah :) | 21:42 |
| derf | Not as fun as "toor" or just "root", but good enough. | 21:42 |
| jumpula | root me, my friend / root me again | 21:42 |
| killfill | jeje | 21:42 |
| killfill | hey guys.. isnt there a sip cliente around?.. (wihtouth counting gizmo) | 21:44 |
| _Shurik_ | just use skype :-D | 21:44 |
| killfill | yah works grate btw.. just tried it. | 21:44 |
| killfill | but i with to use my pbx.. :) | 21:44 |
| Presence_ | hahah | 21:45 |
| Presence_ | asterix for n800 | 21:45 |
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| disq | trevarthan: this works: http://pastebin.ca/610993 | 21:53 |
| disq | both with utf8 album names and covers inside utf8 dirs (image.load doesn't like utf8 filenames so i skip them for now) | 21:54 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:17 |
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| joshin | derf: Thanks for acmonitor! | 22:32 |
| maddler | sbaturzio!!! | 22:34 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: ciao! | 22:34 |
| derf | joshin: Yer welcome. | 22:34 |
| disq | maddler! :P | 22:34 |
| maddler | disq? | 22:34 |
| joshin | Now I just need to find a full screen clock and I can use my 770 as a clock radio (like the chumby). | 22:34 |
| vims0r | *fg* | 22:35 |
| vims0r | maemo chron | 22:35 |
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| Presence_ | is there a moo 2 for the 770 yet? | 22:47 |
| Mikho | moo2 for 770 whaat? | 22:49 |
| Presence_ | moo2 for the n770 :) | 22:49 |
| _Shurik_ | is that compatible with bark 1.4? | 22:49 |
| Presence_ | if there is star control 2, moo2 cant be behind | 22:49 |
| Presence_ | not far behind | 22:49 |
| _Shurik_ | oh | 22:50 |
| Mikho | sc2 ftw! | 22:50 |
| _Shurik_ | :) | 22:50 |
| Presence_ | noone likes sc2? | 22:50 |
| _Shurik_ | I haven't tried it yet... how's it on n800? | 22:50 |
| Mikho | everyone likes sc2! | 22:50 |
| roope | I loved sc2 two-player combat mode. :) | 22:50 |
| _Shurik_ | I liked it in the past... nowdays I get horrified when that much time of gameplay is involved | 22:50 |
| _Shurik_ | I can't get past pacman... | 22:50 |
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| Presence_ | there is pacman for the 770? | 22:52 |
| _Shurik_ | yes, but you have to load NES emulator :) | 22:53 |
| _Shurik_ | bomberman is the game I love playing though | 22:53 |
| _Shurik_ | ah the memories of nights spent with that game | 22:53 |
| Presence_ | hmm, shows as n800 | 22:55 |
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| * pupnik_ shoops da woop | 23:09 | |
| Presence_ | where can I get libasound2? | 23:10 |
| _Shurik_ | unable to translate | 23:10 |
| pupnik_ | Presence_, roope nice to see SC2 fans here | 23:11 |
| pupnik_ | Ur-Quan masters now runs reasonably fast on the 770, with .MOD music | 23:12 |
| Presence_ | I love sc2 | 23:12 |
| Presence_ | well, I need to find it then :) | 23:12 |
| pupnik_ | can you help test combat tweaks? | 23:12 |
| pupnik_ | and button placement? | 23:13 |
| Presence_ | I probably can...but I havent played it in 10 years... | 23:13 |
| _Shurik_ | mmmm, mod music | 23:14 |
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| _Shurik_ | how is it like on n800? | 23:14 |
| pupnik_ | i haven't tried it with the remix | 23:14 |
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| pupnik_ | don't know. knottori did a straight compile of it and it supposedly is playable | 23:15 |
| pupnik_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/uqm | 23:15 |
| pupnik_ | but there will be a new version coming soon | 23:15 |
| _Shurik_ | pupnik_: how are you constantly are able to squeeze yet another drop of performance? :) | 23:15 |
| _Shurik_ | ... 3 years later: pupnik_: okay guys, Doom3 is now playable at 30fps on n800 | 23:16 |
| Presence_ | I cant seem be be able to find libasound2 | 23:16 |
| pupnik_ | There are a lot of things that can be done. Most PC SDL games (open source) are not optimized | 23:17 |
| pupnik_ | i will look Presence_ | 23:17 |
| _Shurik_ | pretty impressive | 23:17 |
| pupnik_ | Well i haven't done that much really | 23:18 |
| _Shurik_ | I'm really looking forward getting into a bit of maemo coding. Just always one more little project here and there left before I can start exploring... | 23:18 |
| Presence_ | is there a windows based sandbox? I seriously doubt there is a sparc based one | 23:18 |
| _Shurik_ | windows? vmware -> linux -> scratchbox | 23:19 |
| Presence_ | hehe | 23:19 |
| Presence_ | that sucks :) | 23:19 |
| Presence_ | maybe Ill load colinux | 23:19 |
| _Shurik_ | well... I'm yet to try to install it on Fedora 7 | 23:19 |
| Presence_ | I have gentoo on colinux | 23:20 |
| pupnik_ | what do you need asound for Presence_ ? | 23:20 |
| _Shurik_ | I'm not very fluent in *nux word unfortunately, so it will be somewhat fun | 23:20 |
| Presence_ | Im a unix guy at heart stuck with windows as a desktop | 23:20 |
| Presence_ | pup: It was some audio app I wanted...but after reading it, its so incomplete, its pointless to install | 23:21 |
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| Presence_ | so which SC2do I want | 23:21 |
| Presence_ | the xsp broken version or the other | 23:22 |
| Presence_ | hell, I need a binary | 23:22 |
| pupnik_ | for N800 grab konttori's version | 23:22 |
| Presence_ | its n770 | 23:22 |
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| pupnik_ | for n770 i'll get a new version up .. eh. soon | 23:22 |
| pupnik_ | i fixed the xsp doubling a while back | 23:22 |
| pupnik_ | i really want to finish the onscreen buttons so we can start testing real gameplay (especially combat) | 23:23 |
| Presence_ | is it worth it to get the 770 to boot from mmc? | 23:23 |
| _Shurik_ | I guess that's to install programs from MMC? | 23:23 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know. i haven't | 23:24 |
| pupnik_ | for big games, the data goes to mmc and the executable goes onto the root fs | 23:24 |
| Presence_ | they say its 2x faster | 23:24 |
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| _Shurik_ | we need a BT game controller | 23:25 |
| Presence_ | there are usb ones | 23:25 |
| derf | For me the MMC slot has been pretty unreliable. | 23:25 |
| _Shurik_ | it's just masachistic to play on the tablet's buttons | 23:25 |
| Presence_ | logitech makes some really decent ones | 23:25 |
| derf | It regularly just loses the whole card. | 23:25 |
| Presence_ | derf: thats unacceptable | 23:26 |
| derf | Presence_: No joke. | 23:26 |
| _Shurik_ | derf: oh yeah? I've seen some weirdness with new update, but then again seems to be alright | 23:26 |
| derf | _Shurik_: The new update made it _better_. | 23:26 |
| _Shurik_ | and I have a 8 gig Patriot card in there | 23:26 |
| derf | Well, new as in 3 months ago. | 23:26 |
| _Shurik_ | really? I didn't see any problems with HCSD kernel | 23:26 |
| _Shurik_ | the only problem so far is that n800 "lost" card after I transferred bunch of stuff via usb on it | 23:28 |
| _Shurik_ | but I just took it out, and rebooted | 23:28 |
| _Shurik_ | plus I think this is because it was trying to re-read it's contents and I interrupted it | 23:28 |
| derf | _Shurik_: Right, well, Maemo Mapper can trigger that same behavior. | 23:28 |
| _Shurik_ | hm, haven't seen that yet honestly | 23:29 |
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| Presence_ | I bought a 2G MMC card...Im hoping that I dont have to mod the kernel to get it to work :) | 23:29 |
| _Shurik_ | I can't wait till mapper2 comes out | 23:29 |
| _Shurik_ | that jpg crap gotta go | 23:29 |
| derf | Mapper2? | 23:29 |
| _Shurik_ | Maemo Mapper 2.0 | 23:29 |
| _Shurik_ | suppose to be database driven | 23:29 |
| derf | I should talk to John more often. | 23:29 |
| derf | He sits downstairs. | 23:30 |
| Presence_ | does minimo let you set a proxy? | 23:30 |
| _Shurik_ | I actually never gotten into minimo. It's incomplete as far as usability goes | 23:30 |
| Presence_ | I cant set a proxy with the default opera :( | 23:31 |
| _Shurik_ | and opera was able to do all that I need to get done on the tablet | 23:31 |
| _Shurik_ | proxies are overrated, just connect directly :-D | 23:31 |
| Presence_ | I wanna tunnel the http packets over ssh :) | 23:31 |
| Presence_ | for personal reasons | 23:31 |
| _Shurik_ | sneaky sneaky | 23:31 |
| _Shurik_ | see, I would too, but I can't get wifi reach the bathroom | 23:32 |
| _Shurik_ | *kidding* | 23:32 |
| Presence_ | hahah | 23:32 |
| suihkulokki | Presence_: set the proxy in connectivity settings for your current connection | 23:32 |
| Presence_ | if I could get the wifi to work with LEAP I would be set | 23:32 |
| Presence_ | hmm | 23:32 |
| Presence_ | just dup this connection, and then set a proxy on the second...good idea | 23:32 |
| Presence_ | so where can one download the scratchbox for armel? | 23:33 |
| pupnik_ | scratchbox? | 23:33 |
| pupnik_ | (that was to test if the bot had it stored) | 23:34 |
| Presence_ | to cross compile code to armel | 23:34 |
| Presence_ | ah | 23:34 |
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| pupnik_ | www.scratchbox.org has howtos, Presence_ | 23:43 |
| Presence_ | Im looking now :) | 23:43 |
| pupnik_ | look at a recent scratchbox howto (> 1.x) | 23:44 |
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| Presence_ | Im only seeing 1.0 :) | 23:47 |
| V-I-P | would a Nokia Internet Tablet display my blog http://www.dieweisheit.de correct ? I heard handheld devices have trouble with dynamic content... | 23:47 |
| Fatal | V-I-P: if it doesn't work w/o javascript, you really need to rethink it | 23:48 |
| derf | Half the web doesn't work without javascript anymore. | 23:49 |
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| V-I-P | its wordpress, and I think it uses ajax... | 23:49 |
| _Shurik_ | well let's see | 23:49 |
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| _Shurik_ | oh nevermind, my wifi router is unplugged... I don't want to go into the server room now | 23:50 |
| V-I-P | thanx, anyway... | 23:50 |
| _Shurik_ | I actually don't think that ajax is all that great, yet | 23:50 |
| _Shurik_ | I'd rather see lightning fast html instead | 23:50 |
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| V-I-P | but its interactive and fancy :) | 23:51 |
| _Shurik_ | in couple of years bandwidth is going to be outrageous so won't matter | 23:51 |
| _Shurik_ | sure, but sites, especially with high traffic, just absolutely must do both | 23:51 |
| _Shurik_ | gmail has either version for example | 23:51 |
| _Shurik_ | but I have no problem with ajax gmail so I don't care | 23:51 |
| Presence_ | so there is no way to upgrade the flash in the 770 (memory wize...)? | 23:53 |
| _Shurik_ | memory-wise? | 23:54 |
| Presence_ | yeah | 23:54 |
| _Shurik_ | what do you mean? | 23:54 |
| Presence_ | I want to have more storage and more operating ram :) | 23:54 |
| _Shurik_ | ah... crap.. I'm thinking Flash as in Macromedia :-D | 23:54 |
| Presence_ | I can boot from mmc to get more storage, but people are saying its kinda um...glitchy | 23:54 |
| trevarthan | disq: I set up an svn checkout url for kagu here: https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk | 23:55 |
| Presence_ | I want to use this for pdfs for my dnd game, but the books are huge :P | 23:55 |
| trevarthan | If you want, I'll be happy to give to commit access. | 23:55 |
| disq | thanks but not for now :) i'll keep an eye on the changes though | 23:56 |
| trevarthan | trac repo is here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/timeline | 23:56 |
| _Shurik_ | well, I don't know | 23:56 |
| _Shurik_ | I have n800 | 23:56 |
| pupnik_ | i don't run many apps on the 770. Usually an xterm + one other app | 23:56 |
| Presence_ | Im ok with 1 at a time | 23:57 |
| Presence_ | heh | 23:57 |
| pupnik_ | so memory is fine. And after deleting some uneeded stuff i have plenty of room for all my programs | 23:57 |
| _Shurik_ | it's like throwing away tools from a toolbox in the garage :((( | 23:57 |
| Presence_ | I have installed alot of crap | 23:57 |
| _Shurik_ | Aaa, this cracked LCD wallpaper on my laptop is freaking me out | 23:58 |
| pupnik_ | yeah after a while i found what i didn't really want | 23:58 |
| _Shurik_ | I agree. After all, tablet is really a very specific tool | 23:58 |
| _Shurik_ | it's not a crap storage | 23:58 |
| _Shurik_ | and it's specific for everyone | 23:59 |
| Presence_ | Well | 23:59 |
| Presence_ | I bought it because I wanted to have a portable pc to browse with (instead of walking to the desktop or notebook) | 23:59 |
| trevarthan | disq: do you have any idea which album it was choking on? Can you give me some sample data so I can reproduce it? | 23:59 |
| Presence_ | but I do want it to be private :) | 23:59 |
| Presence_ | I dont care about music or videos or any of that crap | 23:59 |
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