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| disq | do we have pysqlite3 working on it2007? | 00:18 |
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| disq | just registered a project named "maemoscrobbler". i'm fed up with my last.fm page being all empty (because I use the n800 as my on the road media player now) so developing a played-tracks cacher-submitter for it | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | does last.fm cost money? | 00:55 |
| solmumaha | anyone else having metalayer-crawler eat up all the cpu? | 01:02 |
| solmumaha | someone said on itt that something must be corrupted on sd, but it started after upgrade | 01:03 |
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| disq | pupnik: you could be a subscriber but most of the functionality is free | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | Oh man the US economy is so headed for a crash | 01:12 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgrxpp97OQ | 01:12 |
| dolske | iPhone sales will save us! :) | 01:17 |
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| danilo_ | I dont remember who ask me something about aircrack and time cracking. But my N800 with aircrack and airodump break my 64WEP ISP in 24minutes with 187157IVs. Someone here have better times? | 01:26 |
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| pupnik | nice danilo_ | 01:29 |
| danilo_ | pupnik, We was discussing "why WEP sucks"... lol | 01:30 |
| pupnik | does that crack break regular clients use of the wlan? | 01:30 |
| pupnik | for e.g. does it deauth clients and is that noticeable? | 01:30 |
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| dolske | is that all running on the N800? Or do you still need to do the packet captures from another box? | 01:32 |
| danilo_ | No no... aircrack just break the wep passkey.... | 01:32 |
| danilo_ | all runing on N800 | 01:33 |
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| dolske | Have you looked at http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/security/newattackonwep2.html | 01:33 |
| danilo_ | I will see it now.... | 01:34 |
| danilo_ | * look it.. | 01:35 |
| danilo_ | 19 seconds?!?! lol! I need to improve my benchmarks.... lol | 01:36 |
| mjw- | I think i will stick w/WPA... | 01:37 |
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| pupnik | is wpa a cpu burden on the n770? | 01:38 |
| mjw- | I haven't tried wep or open on mine | 01:39 |
| danilo_ | But Mulliner did't not show him configuration.... If I use a wordlist just with my passkey, I can break my WEP in less of one second too... lol | 01:40 |
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| disq | pupnik: it is on other wpa running hardware (like access points) so it *could* help with the battery life if you used wep. yes. but can you afford an unsecure network? | 01:41 |
| pupnik | yes, my power levels are low enough - and it's in a basement | 01:41 |
| pupnik | people would need to stand in front of my window to use my wlan | 01:42 |
| disq | back in the day some access points used to crash/reboot if you pumped high speed data over the wpa connection just because it couldn't handle the load | 01:42 |
| disq | btw you could also tune down the radio on the access point if you're using openwrt or so - that's what my brother did with his overheating linksys (hot summer) | 01:43 |
| disq | (or a faraday cage. :P ) | 01:44 |
| pupnik | yeah i've seen overheating APs too.. restart usually helps | 01:44 |
| danilo_ | Hey. Sometimes, if I dont touch on N800, my network goes down... I think that is a "power's safe" thing. How can I fix this? Some moments I accessing N800 by my computer over SSH, and my connection goes down without reason. So I need to take my N800 on my hands and touch on the screen. Than I can use SSH again... | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/800powr.html | 01:46 |
| pupnik | The N800 version also helps keep your network connection alive. | 01:46 |
| Wzrd2 | does vlc player work on the 770? | 01:46 |
| Wzrd2 | the debian/linux version? | 01:46 |
| pupnik | dunno. mplayer is far and away the best performing video player | 01:46 |
| danilo_ | pupnik, Thanks! I think that it can solve my problem! | 01:47 |
| Wzrd2 | what I want to do is stream muci from my windows pc to the 770 | 01:47 |
| disq | intel / i386 binaries don't work on the device. you need to get the stuff compiled for 770/n800. (unless there are "armel" binaries provided - though it might still need some work) | 01:47 |
| Wzrd2 | music | 01:47 |
| disq | Wzrd2: the easiest way is to install and use the app "mediastreamer" for that. canola also works. | 01:48 |
| Wzrd2 | I looked into the mediastreamer..what free app would I use on my pc to stream from it | 01:48 |
| Wzrd2 | can I use vlc to stream the music to mediastreamer on the 770? | 01:49 |
| disq | any upnp streamer. microsoft has one ("windows media connect") for free, there are other free alternatives | 01:49 |
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| dick-richardson | I'm just happy that either gpodder or the new media player lets me seek mp3's | 01:50 |
| disq | there's FUPPES, twonkyvision, and some more software you could use. | 01:50 |
| Wzrd2 | which do u think is the best? the | 01:51 |
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| Wzrd2 | MS one? | 01:51 |
| disq | the ms one works very well for music (for me anyways) | 01:51 |
| disq | most of the other alternatives have weird web-like control panels that i don't like | 01:52 |
| Wzrd2 | hmm I am on the page and it says WMP 11 can do it | 01:52 |
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| Wzrd2 | except WMP is a f-ing memory hog | 01:53 |
| eichi | someone here using claws mail? is there no way for imap? i dont want to use php for mobile devices...that s*cks | 01:54 |
| disq | apparently so. i installed this like six months ago there was no wmp11 then | 01:54 |
| eichi | php =pop | 01:54 |
| eichi | oh, sorry, there is an option ^^ | 01:54 |
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| ericz_ | is there an aircrack for os 2006 on the 770 | 02:10 |
| ericz_ | nevermind, found one | 02:14 |
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| Wzrd2 | cool..vlc works with media streamer! :) | 02:30 |
| Wzrd2 | I just set it up | 02:31 |
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| eugene | morning | 02:42 |
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| eugene | aloha.. | 03:12 |
| pupnik | moo | 03:13 |
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| eugene | (__) | 03:16 |
| eugene | (oo) | 03:16 |
| eugene | /------\/ | 03:16 |
| eugene | / | || | 03:16 |
| eugene | * /\---/\ | 03:16 |
| eugene | ~~ ~~ | 03:16 |
| eugene | ...."Have you mooed today?"... | 03:16 |
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| pupnik | he heh | 03:17 |
| eugene | pupnik: you can get that output if you have terminal in your n800 | 03:17 |
| eugene | osso-xterm :) | 03:17 |
| pupnik | ? | 03:18 |
| pupnik | ich bin on an xterm | 03:18 |
| eugene | pupnik: ich bin? | 03:19 |
| pupnik | I am | 03:19 |
| eugene | ok | 03:19 |
| eugene | type apt-get moo | 03:19 |
| pupnik | Eye am zpeeking ze kraut lingo | 03:19 |
| eugene | huh | 03:20 |
| milhouse | translate from german ich bin | 03:20 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I am | 03:20 |
| pupnik | wow nice | 03:20 |
| eugene | translate from german Eye am zpeeking ze kraut lingo | 03:20 |
| _Monkey | eugene: Eye at zpeeking CPU the herb lingo | 03:20 |
| pupnik | rofl | 03:20 |
| milhouse | translate to german i am speaking the german language | 03:20 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: ich spreche die deutsche Sprache | 03:20 |
| pupnik | translate to jive This is one really cool IRC bot. I am impressed! | 03:21 |
| pupnik | bah | 03:21 |
| pupnik | PC bot | 03:22 |
| Niacin | anyone seen this ethan haas was right thing? | 03:22 |
| Niacin | http://www.ethanhaaswasright.com/ | 03:22 |
| Niacin | i managed to crack the first 2 codes | 03:22 |
| Niacin | but third one is tough | 03:22 |
| Niacin | some sort of checkers game | 03:22 |
| pupnik | wow | 03:22 |
| Niacin | its to do with that movie | 03:23 |
| Niacin | that "unnamed" one | 03:23 |
| Niacin | if you saw the trailer @ transformers | 03:23 |
| Niacin | hah woot got the third code | 03:26 |
| pupnik | I don't get that at all | 03:26 |
| Niacin | its a code | 03:27 |
| Niacin | the first one is simple... :) | 03:27 |
| pupnik | I don't even parse the scribbles. Not interested | 03:27 |
| Niacin | no need | 03:28 |
| Niacin | its simon says :) | 03:28 |
| pupnik | Presidential candidate Ron Paul today won the Coalition for New Hampshire Taxpayers (CNHT) straw poll at their annual picnic in Hopkinton, New Hampshire. Dr. Paul received 182 of 294 votes cast, or 65 percent. In second place was Rudy Giuliani with 24 votes, or 8 percent. | 03:29 |
| pupnik | woohoo! | 03:29 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom :) :) | 03:33 |
| Niacin | i like ron paul | 03:34 |
| pupnik | me too. he's a good Doctor man | 03:34 |
| eichi | is there a app for video podcast? | 03:36 |
| koos | eichi:kmplayer supports it, ie. finds enclosing tags in rss feeds, but not really made for this | 03:37 |
| eichi | hm okay | 03:38 |
| eichi | damn LCARS theme destroyed all my icons and status symboles :/ | 03:42 |
| eichi | is there a way to repair the icons and that stuff? | 03:45 |
| pupnik | i've heard about that from someone else | 03:49 |
| pupnik | sure - copy the icons and theme back | 03:49 |
| pupnik | oh and send the LCARS guy email | 03:50 |
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| eichi | copy from where ...to where? | 03:51 |
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| megabyte405 | eichi: try switching themes, rebooting, and switching back | 03:54 |
| megabyte405 | new firmware, right? | 03:54 |
| eichi | latest firmware | 03:54 |
| megabyte405 | yup | 03:54 |
| megabyte405 | common problem | 03:54 |
| megabyte405 | (is it just me, or is repository.maemo.org completely swamped? I'm trying to do some development, and I can't apt-get update for the life of me) | 03:55 |
| megabyte405 | well, now it just loaded, but took several minutes | 03:55 |
| dick-richardson | i'm holding off anyway...after a dist-upgrade my unit wouldn't boot yesterday | 03:55 |
| megabyte405 | dick-richardson: you did a dist-upgrade on your n800 unit? | 03:55 |
| dick-richardson | yeah | 03:55 |
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| eichi | damn icons | 03:56 |
| eichi | i deleted the package from the theme | 03:56 |
| eichi | but they are anyway there | 03:56 |
| eichi | switched and rebootet many times | 03:57 |
| eichi | doenst help | 03:57 |
| dick-richardson | it worked well with the previous firmware, but it didn't work well at all...probably just a little too fast and loose with my repos | 03:57 |
| eichi | :( damn s*it | 03:57 |
| megabyte405 | dick-richardson: that will frequently brick things - especially if you have the maemo sdk repositories installed: "dist-upgrade" won't be supported until Maemo 4.0 | 03:57 |
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| pupnik_ | also search internettablettalk.com forums and maybe the maemo-users mailing list | 03:57 |
| megabyte405 | I use dist-upgrade in scratchbox for development, but it won't work on the unit | 03:57 |
| dick-richardson | megabyte405: that's good to know...standard upgrade ok then? | 03:57 |
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| eugene | megabyte405: dist-upgrade in scratchbox doesn't work for me even | 03:58 |
| megabyte405 | dick-richardson: AFAIK, apt-get anything isn't supported, and only apt-get install/remove works as expected | 03:58 |
| megabyte405 | eugene: well, I haven't tried it recently - I'm sticking with 3.1 until the dust settles | 03:58 |
| dick-richardson | so just use the built-in manager | 03:58 |
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| megabyte405 | dick-richardson: if you want to upgrade the unit, you can upgrade user packages with the package manager (but don't do it in red-pill mode) and can flash a whole new OS on | 03:59 |
| dick-richardson | well, i've been doing it all wrong since Feb :P good to know | 03:59 |
| megabyte405 | :D | 04:00 |
| megabyte405 | I saw updates in red-pill mode, and as tempting as they looked, I knew that if I touched, I would probably brick it | 04:00 |
| dick-richardson | know matter how borked my unit's been, I've been able to reflash | 04:00 |
| eugene | the worst thing that can happen is to reflash your unit ;) | 04:00 |
| megabyte405 | eugene: that's a very good thing | 04:01 |
| megabyte405 | I just wish that the response on the new firmware had been more positive so I wasn't afraid to upgrade | 04:01 |
| dick-richardson | I'm really enjoying it | 04:02 |
| megabyte405 | I'm being uncommonly cautious - normally I'm a bleeding-edge kind of guy | 04:02 |
| megabyte405 | I'm gonna wait at least a few days until the main problems have been worked around | 04:02 |
| megabyte405 | and I'm not gonna restore, either, sicne that looks like it's problematic | 04:02 |
| eugene | megabyte405: what kind of problems? i have been using for a coupleo f days now | 04:02 |
| dick-richardson | not across firmware versions...restoring to the same firmware is fine | 04:03 |
| jpt9 | pupnik_: how's it going? | 04:03 |
| megabyte405 | dick-richardson: yeah, that's what it seems | 04:03 |
| megabyte405 | eugene: opera instability/https problem, gainroot problems | 04:03 |
| megabyte405 | there's a long, whiny list on itt :-P | 04:03 |
| pupnik_ | happy. well firefox is stinking up my compy and i'm not getting any work done | 04:03 |
| dick-richardson | no problems with opera...never used gainroot | 04:03 |
| eugene | megabyte405: i wonder why i don't have these problems... | 04:04 |
| eugene | megabyte405: gainroot worked ok for me too | 04:04 |
| dick-richardson | I'm more comfortable with the ssh method | 04:04 |
| dick-richardson | and I'd need the package, anyway... | 04:04 |
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| megabyte405 | eugene: I'm guessing some/most of the problems are from inexperienced users forgetting to re-install packages, or from restore issues, or whathaveyou | 04:05 |
| eugene | well using ssh doesn't solve your gainroot problem | 04:05 |
| eugene | megabyte405: guess so | 04:05 |
| megabyte405 | eugene: no, but many people use ssh instead of gainroot | 04:05 |
| megabyte405 | and I _just_ got GPE and Evolution syncing figured out on my N800, so I don't want to screw that up :D | 04:05 |
| eugene | megabyte405: how do you gainroot using ssh? :) | 04:06 |
| eugene | what's the root default password | 04:06 |
| megabyte405 | rootme | 04:06 |
| dick-richardson | ssh root@localhost | 04:06 |
| dick-richardson | yep | 04:06 |
| eugene | really? | 04:06 |
| eugene | lol | 04:06 |
| megabyte405 | yup | 04:06 |
| eugene | damn :) | 04:06 |
| dick-richardson | then run passwd and make it what you want...change user password too since user can't change it's own | 04:07 |
| eugene | Nokia-N800-26:~# | 04:07 |
| megabyte405 | I think it's just easier to install becomeroot and do sudo gainroot, but oh well :D | 04:07 |
| eugene | anyway, i find it easier to flash the thing with rd mode | 04:07 |
| eugene | plus, it is a habit for me to sudo as a normal user, than to ssh as a root user :) | 04:07 |
| dick-richardson | then I visudo and comment everything out, add user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL | 04:07 |
| dick-richardson | then you can sudo to your hearts content as user...no need to ssh ever | 04:08 |
| megabyte405 | eugene: what does rd mode do on the N800? I know it was needed to install stuff on the n770 for a while or something | 04:08 |
| megabyte405 | dick-richardson: I got ssh certificates working so I don't need passwords either :D | 04:08 |
| eugene | i wonder how many people gotten their device rooted :) | 04:08 |
| eugene | megabyte405: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html | 04:08 |
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| megabyte405 | eugene: weird - I didn't need to do that to get root ? | 04:10 |
| ericz_ | i rooted mine (with ssh) the first hour i got it, which was only a week ago, of course i was hanging arond here a week before tha | 04:10 |
| eugene | megabyte405: there are other things that you can do with rd mode. see the flash page in maemo wiki. | 04:10 |
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| eugene | megabyte405: "When R&D mode is enabled * Use the host USB mode of the device. * You can use sudo gainroot to get a root shell on the device * The power button turns the device on instantly (usually you have to keep it pressed for a while) * You can enable some R&D mode flags (flasher --set-rd-flags) for various features." | 04:13 |
| eugene | i find the "turns the device on instantly" feature very useful | 04:14 |
| megabyte405 | ah, nice | 04:14 |
| megabyte405 | I just keep mine locked | 04:14 |
| eugene | megabyte405: more at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage | 04:14 |
| megabyte405 | but that is a nice feature | 04:14 |
| eugene | megabyte405: try out my new article... | 04:15 |
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| eichi_N800 | no one knows where to copy the ixons to rescue my demaged interface...? | 04:18 |
| eichi_N800 | icons | 04:19 |
| megabyte405 | eichi_N800: did you try the changing the theme, rebooting, and then changing back? | 04:20 |
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| milhouse | a2dp? | 05:02 |
| _Monkey | somebody said a2dp was working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) | 05:02 |
| disq | interesting | 05:07 |
| megabyte405 | it's not officiallly in the new firmware, though it may be that someone hacked it on aftermarket, so to speak | 05:07 |
| milhouse | just needed the link to reply to someone on itt | 05:07 |
| milhouse | i had it working last thursday on the old firmware, worked very very well :) | 05:08 |
| disq | doubt it at this point, encoding takes a lot of the cpu (and battery obviously) so somebody has to move the codec part to the dsp i think | 05:08 |
| milhouse | definately not in the new firmware, unfortunately... trevarthan is responsible for the hack and web site, hopefully his work will be appreciated by Nokia rather than ignored and duplicated | 05:08 |
| milhouse | disq: seriously, it works. try it | 05:08 |
| disq | don't have a a2dp bt headset, let alone a mono one | 05:09 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: BTW, I fixed a ton of memory leaks in my version of ukmp. I'll roll you a new tar.gz soonish. | 05:09 |
| milhouse | ok thanks although I blew away the install from last week when i upgraded :) | 05:10 |
| trevarthan | I've also made the song titles a lot more finger friendly. (i.e. larger) | 05:10 |
| disq | i could get one if this really works though. but my dream project is still n800 emulating a headset and bridging the music player with the phone calls. (wrote about that idea in maemopeople.org) | 05:10 |
| trevarthan | disq: I doubt there is enough bluetooth bandwidth to do headset profile and a2dp at the same time. | 05:11 |
| disq | i'm working on a last.fm played tracks "scrobbler" daemon (and dbus listener) with caching and all. when i'm done i'll send in a patch for ukmp. | 05:11 |
| trevarthan | And no mic input jack on the n800.... | 05:12 |
| disq | the headphone jack is 4 pins actually, one of them is mic. | 05:12 |
| trevarthan | Ah... that's right. I forgot about that. | 05:12 |
| trevarthan | Got a link to your article? I'd like to read about why you want to do that. | 05:13 |
| disq | trevarthan: here, http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/disq/2007/02/17/p55 | 05:13 |
| trevarthan | I thought it would be similarly cool to use the n800 as a stereo line in -> a2dp adapter, but even though there is mic in there still is no stereo line in on the n800. | 05:14 |
| disq | what we need is bare gpio ports at the back :P | 05:14 |
| disq | (though that probably wouldn't do us any good in this situation, with the dsp etc) | 05:15 |
| trevarthan | disq: I don't get it. Why do you want to forward cell phone calls through skype? | 05:15 |
| disq | that was just an idea to throw around | 05:16 |
| trevarthan | well, ok. But why? | 05:16 |
| trevarthan | I'm not saying it's a dumb idea. I just can't think of an application at the moment... | 05:16 |
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| disq | well, yeah that wouldn't be practical but being able to forward incoming calls to other apps could be handy? like a recorder of sorts, dunno? wouldn't be worth the time in r&d, though | 05:18 |
| trevarthan | You could probably do the cell phone -> n800 end with asterisk and chan_bluetooth: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Bluetooth+channels | 05:19 |
| trevarthan | And you could forward it to skype with chan_skype: http://www.chanskype.com/ | 05:20 |
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| trevarthan | I'm not sure where the music player comes in....... | 05:20 |
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| disq | the main issue is to be able to enjoy media (listen/watch, whatever) and take calls with a single headset. there are multi-chan headsets yeah but you should be able to do this in software, even with simple shell scripts. | 05:21 |
| disq | the media player and caller id integration would be the icing on the cake. | 05:21 |
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| trevarthan | The only issue there beyond available bluetooth bandwidth (a major issue, I think), is that stereo bluetooth (a2dp) isn't two way. Only one way. | 05:22 |
| trevarthan | That's why you need a multi-chan headset. Something connects to is with SCO (mono two way profile), and something else connects to it with a2dp (stereo one way profile) | 05:23 |
| disq | yeah i learned about that after i wrote the thing, and it's kinda sad. | 05:23 |
| trevarthan | what's really sad is that in my experience multi-chan headsets don't really work. My motorola s9 can't handle playing a2dp and being paired with my cell phone at the same time. Leads to massive annoying random skipping of the a2dp audio. | 05:24 |
| disq | but with a two chan headset you could just pair chan1 with the phone and chan2 with n800. | 05:24 |
| disq | hmm | 05:24 |
| trevarthan | could just be a quirk of the s9, or a bug in my phone's firmware, or even a bug in bluez or a2dpd. Or it could be a flaw in the multi-chan idea itself. I'm not sure which. | 05:25 |
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| trevarthan | You could easily do what you want with an actual hands free car system though. Mic mounted on the dash or support column, car speakers for stereo. Just plug it into the n800 headset port. Then the n800's bluetooth bandwidth would be free to pair with your phone. | 05:27 |
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| trevarthan | You could do that with asterisk and chan_bluetooth today, I think. It would just take some packaging work and you'd need a software SIP phone and a decent media player for the n800 as well. Both of which are available, I think. | 05:27 |
| trevarthan | Alternatively, I think I saw a headset profile driver on maemo garage for the 770..... might be able to port it.... not sure.... | 05:28 |
| disq | hmm. tell the headset to switch between a2dp and sco back and forth? | 05:30 |
| trevarthan | I think you've departed from my current train of thought. What are you talking about exactly? | 05:31 |
| disq | ah, ok, pair with the phone via bt and use a wired headset? yeah that sounds simpler :) | 05:31 |
| trevarthan | yeah. it's doable with current software too. It's a really attractive idea, I think. Would make a great little experiment. I don't have time to work on it myself, but if someone else got it working I would definitely use it. | 05:32 |
| trevarthan | I think the n800 makes a kick ass car PC. They aught to market it as such. | 05:33 |
| disq | btw all the media players on the n800 suck :P but i'll try the headset/pairing thing | 05:33 |
| trevarthan | no they don't. ukmp is decent. And I'm rewriting it currently to be more like the iphone media interface. It's only going to get better. | 05:34 |
| trevarthan | canola only sucks a little bit. :) | 05:34 |
| trevarthan | I think the thing that sucks most about canola is that it's closed source, so I can't make it do the few things that it doesn't already do. Crying bloody shame. | 05:35 |
| disq | ukmp's party mode is not enough for me, i'm more of an AMP person. with a seperate playlist and all. | 05:35 |
| disq | yeah. it's great for using on the road though | 05:36 |
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| pupnik_ | i tried compiling various versions of xmms and beep media player | 05:37 |
| disq | in fact, of all the media players i like mediastreamer the most. but it doesn't play local files. | 05:37 |
| trevarthan | My version of ukmp has a slightly different playlist system. It's not set in stone either. I'm willing to hack the frick out of it until it's perfect. Do you have an example player with a playlist that you really like? I could use it for inspiration. I don't use playlists much myself. I think that might be because I don't understand how they're used though. | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | trev same... playlists aren't my cupotea either | 05:37 |
| trevarthan | I mostly just pick an album and hit play. when I get tired of it, I pick a different album. | 05:38 |
| disq | i just want the classic playlist system, where you select songs/albums/dirs and append the songs to the playlist. you can have one song multiple times in the list, etc (i'm sometimes a repeat-track freak, yes) | 05:38 |
| trevarthan | ok. That's how my version of ukmp's playlist will work. I stole it from pymp, along with a bunch of other stuff: http://jdolan.dyndns.org/trac/wiki/Pymp | 05:39 |
| disq | and i think for that system the most useful interface would be A-Z buttons, but first the type (Artist/Title/Album/Genre type of thing) and then little buttons like the contacts app has. A thru D, E thru H, etc. | 05:40 |
| disq | canola's list everything in one big list thing doesn't work when you have a lot of music | 05:40 |
| trevarthan | BTW, I need to rename my version of ukmp. The "uk" stands for konttori's initials, so that won't work as this is a complete rewrite. I want to name it after some animal in grand GNU tradition. Anyone have any suggestions? | 05:40 |
| disq | hmm. GIMP is taken :P | 05:41 |
| milhouse | pimp? | 05:41 |
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| disq | erm sorry, shortcut. | 05:41 |
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| disq | grr. | 05:41 |
| disq | portable intuitive media player? | 05:42 |
| milhouse | works for me | 05:42 |
| milhouse | :) | 05:42 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah, I agree about the a-z thing. Not sure about genre. I never use that. I'll have to think how to implement that as I really want the album view to be the default... | 05:42 |
| disq | yeah i don't use it either but people seem to like it, otherwise that would've gotten old by now. | 05:42 |
| trevarthan | animals people, not recursive acronyms. | 05:42 |
| milhouse | Zebra | 05:42 |
| milhouse | Beetle | 05:43 |
| ericz_ | penguin isnt taken as a logo, is it? :P | 05:43 |
| trevarthan | already taken: http://www.zebra.org/founder.html | 05:43 |
| disq | lots of people would appreciate the iphone-alike album view though. and it would also generate some hype | 05:43 |
| milhouse | beetle isn't really an animal, but has music conotations | 05:43 |
| milhouse | Cover Flow(tm)? | 05:43 |
| milhouse | Lama? | 05:44 |
| trevarthan | I like the beetle thing. Maybe a specific type of beetle? Make it not so obvious? | 05:44 |
| milhouse | lama.org is free | 05:44 |
| milhouse | Dung | 05:44 |
| milhouse | Deathwatch | 05:45 |
| milhouse | what are those Egyptian ones? | 05:45 |
| disq | we need an animal that ends with U. that way the acronym could be "something something is not UKMP" | 05:45 |
| milhouse | Scarab | 05:45 |
| trevarthan | :) I like Dung. It fits my sense of humor. I wonder if I could get away with that..... | 05:45 |
| megabyte405 | urdu | 05:45 |
| megabyte405 | but I think that's used | 05:45 |
| trevarthan | disq: yeah. | 05:45 |
| milhouse | emu | 05:45 |
| megabyte405 | vudu - is not an animal though | 05:46 |
| megabyte405 | or spelled right | 05:46 |
| disq | wouldn't urdu be more suitable as a programming language of sorts? :P | 05:46 |
| milhouse | Emu <--- ends in U, and has many musical associations (if you're a techy geeky type... EMU sound processor) | 05:47 |
| milhouse | llama (not lama - doh) | 05:49 |
| pupnik_ | Emu was a synth company, bought out by teh evil Creative Labs | 05:49 |
| milhouse | damn, llama.org is taken, "put a llama in your life" | 05:49 |
| milhouse | indeed... who still use their chippery | 05:49 |
| milhouse | I always preferred Fairlight myself... crazy stuff | 05:50 |
| milhouse | Fairlight? | 05:50 |
| milhouse | for a name? | 05:50 |
| disq | FLT? so demoscene of you | 05:50 |
| milhouse | Oryx - it's got an X which is always cool | 05:50 |
| disq | that emu is a funny looking bird tho | 05:50 |
| pupnik_ | pick a unique name, like oh.. 'epiphyte' | 05:51 |
| eugene | disq: as as weird as the duck-like lizard-not thing | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | something where searches will yield your program | 05:51 |
| disq | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_names | 05:51 |
| ericz_ | what's that extinct one? dodo? | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 05:51 |
| eugene | pupnik_: i will keep that name for my program | 05:52 |
| milhouse | or platypus | 05:52 |
| trevarthan | I like emu... I wonder if I would get into trouble for that. | 05:52 |
| pupnik_ | I like Oryx too... reminds me of orgy | 05:52 |
| trevarthan | lol | 05:52 |
| pupnik_ | musorgy | 05:52 |
| koos | I have /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so running in my media player | 05:53 |
| milhouse | pupnik: better stear clear of Woodcock in that case | 05:53 |
| koos | jippie | 05:53 |
| disq | the fine people at fsf could make an animal name search engine (with characters, length, and all) not to forget the "i'm feeling lucky" button. | 05:53 |
| milhouse | Yak | 05:53 |
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| milhouse | Yakk - Yet another Kontorri knock-off ;) | 05:54 |
| disq | "caribou" but it's kinda long | 05:54 |
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| pupnik_ | Antidisestablishmentarianism | 05:54 |
| disq | "caribou isn't about ukmp" | 05:54 |
| eugene | do you guys use mugshot? | 05:55 |
| trevarthan | lots of projects named caribou already. none music related that I saw, but still.... and I think caribou are even funnier looking that emus. | 05:58 |
| disq | :) | 05:58 |
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| Dmnhunter_1 | hey anybody know where I can find ruby-gtk2 and ruby-libglade for n770? | 06:04 |
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| trevarthan | What about recursive acronyms through rhyming? smew is not ukmp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smew | 06:08 |
| trevarthan | birds are common in music players though... hmmm... | 06:08 |
| milhouse | how does that rhyme? | 06:08 |
| trevarthan | emu, smew? | 06:09 |
| trevarthan | it's like it ends in u, but it doesn't. | 06:09 |
| milhouse | too subtle | 06:09 |
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| ports | hey | 06:15 |
| ports | has anyone gotten something like open office running on a N770? | 06:15 |
| dragorn | hahahah... | 06:15 |
| ports | ? | 06:16 |
| eugene | hahaha | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | Abiword runs, sorta | 06:16 |
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| eugene | has anyone tried to run olpc apps on n800? | 06:16 |
| eugene | is there other distributions besides the one provided by nokia? | 06:16 |
| ports | eugene, common questions? | 06:17 |
| dragorn | ports: Go look at the minimum resource usage of OO then look at the hw in the 770 | 06:17 |
| dragorn | ~70MB ram resident and ~160 virtual to do nothing. Not going to happen. | 06:17 |
| ports | and the disk space.. joy | 06:18 |
| eugene | disk space is not a problem ;) | 06:18 |
| ports | i suppose.. the mmc could take care of that.. up to 2gigs | 06:18 |
| megabyte405 | I'm working on AbiWord | 06:18 |
| megabyte405 | I'm actually one of their SoC students | 06:18 |
| megabyte405 | and I'm going to get it recompiled for Bora, that should fix a bunch of the problems | 06:19 |
| eugene | megabyte405: hmm. not the one who worked on the olpc port ya? | 06:19 |
| megabyte405 | (the stuff where it crashes when waking back up) | 06:19 |
| megabyte405 | No, but I know those people | 06:19 |
| megabyte405 | the abi community is pretty small/tight | 06:19 |
| eugene | megabyte405: i met them in sydney early this year | 06:19 |
| ports | megabyte405, SoC, nice. how's the project going? i know a few people from TCPA mentoring in it | 06:19 |
| eugene | i met one actually. | 06:19 |
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| megabyte405 | Martin? | 06:20 |
| megabyte405 | Marc? | 06:20 |
| eugene | megabyte405: the big guy. | 06:20 |
| eugene | can't remember his name | 06:20 |
| megabyte405 | lol | 06:20 |
| ports | dragorn, ah. im tempted to buy a N770 since its ~$125 now. itd be nice if the thing read word documents so then i wouldnt have to lug around my 7 lb laptop. | 06:20 |
| killfill | its not possible to flash the n800 without the usb cable is it?.. | 06:20 |
| eugene | killfill: no | 06:20 |
| megabyte405 | ports: AbiWord can load doc's | 06:20 |
| ericz_ | you can easily converts .docs to pdf too.. | 06:21 |
| killfill | damn.. ill need to buy one. | 06:21 |
| eugene | killfill: u can put the flash program and the firmware to a sd card, then run from within. | 06:21 |
| megabyte405 | the current build exposes a bug in the built-in iconv, but there is a workaround on the way | 06:21 |
| ports | eugene, the n770 is basically a low end linux pc right? or is it restricted in what kind of apps i could run... im pondering installing Python on it. | 06:21 |
| megabyte405 | ports: python runs | 06:21 |
| eugene | ports: www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/tags/n800 | 06:21 |
| Dmnhunter_1 | yea python works well | 06:21 |
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| killfill | eugene: run withing what?.. n800? | 06:21 |
| ports | great.. if python works, then i could get numpy, scipy and matplotlib running too | 06:22 |
| killfill | so it can flash itself? | 06:22 |
| eugene | killfill: disclaimer, i have not tried it. i read it somewhere. | 06:22 |
| megabyte405 | killfill: no, it cannot flash itself | 06:22 |
| megabyte405 | it can flash its own kernel, but not the whole image | 06:22 |
| eugene | megabyte405: ah, thanks for the clarification | 06:22 |
| killfill | Ah | 06:22 |
| ports | the n800 looks nice | 06:22 |
| killfill | ok | 06:23 |
| Dmnhunter_1 | easier to find mmc for the n800 | 06:23 |
| Dmnhunter_1 | uses sd vs mcc-mobils | 06:23 |
| Dmnhunter_1 | mobile | 06:23 |
| ports | http://dealnews.com/memory/prices/RS-MMC/57/1GB.html <-- easy peasy :) | 06:23 |
| milhouse | <megabyte405> and I'm going to get it recompiled for Bora, that should fix a bunch of the problems <--- this would make a lot of people very happy on ITT.... you should post this news! :) | 06:23 |
| megabyte405 | milhouse: I have :D | 06:24 |
| milhouse | recently? | 06:24 |
| megabyte405 | about a month ago or so | 06:24 |
| milhouse | i must have missed it - sorry... saw a post slating abiword just today | 06:24 |
| ports | milhouse, basically theyve threatened that if he doesnt come through on his fantastic news, theyll crucify him lol | 06:24 |
| megabyte405 | I'm also the guy who wrote n800 gpe <-> evolution sync instructions | 06:24 |
| milhouse | ie. not working on n800 etc. | 06:24 |
| megabyte405 | milhouse: really? can you point me to it? | 06:24 |
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| milhouse | give me a sec | 06:24 |
| megabyte405 | ports: oh nice - that's sure to encourage me | 06:24 |
| ports | megabyte405, lol. im not threatening you with bodily harm lol | 06:24 |
| ports | i dont even own a device yet | 06:24 |
| megabyte405 | :D | 06:25 |
| megabyte405 | I know, it's alright | 06:25 |
| megabyte405 | I just both am amused and slightly upset by the sense of entitlement and "I could do it better" that often comes out of the itt forums | 06:25 |
| trevarthan | shitzu. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitzu | 06:25 |
| ports | are the N800's still running around $350? | 06:25 |
| megabyte405 | They're a useful resource, but one definitely has to know when to stop reading. | 06:25 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: Everyone can do it better, but never does. It's funny how that happens. | 06:25 |
| ports | megabyte405, as is true with any community. | 06:25 |
| milhouse | megabyte405: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57592#post57592 | 06:25 |
| megabyte405 | ports: more or less. I think walmart.com has them for $360 and that's about the standard lowest price | 06:26 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: yep. it's alright, though, I've been with abi long enough to recognize that truth | 06:26 |
| ports | megabyte405, im mechanical engineering, and im taking a Robotics class with a bunch of CS students.. and they like to brag that they can code circles around us ME students... sure.. but our code is better lol | 06:26 |
| trevarthan | shitzu is not ukmp. | 06:27 |
| trevarthan | nah, I can't do it. too stupid. | 06:27 |
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| milhouse | dragorn - did any of the wireless issues get fixed in the latest N800 firmware? | 06:29 |
| milhouse | suspect i know the answer but thought i'd ask... | 06:29 |
| ports | milhouse, what issues/ | 06:30 |
| milhouse | with kismet | 06:30 |
| milhouse | and wifi | 06:30 |
| ports | lol | 06:30 |
| megabyte405 | milhouse: presumably you mean the fact that it stops getting new networks about 15 seconds in, though the timer keeps ticking? | 06:31 |
| milhouse | yes | 06:31 |
| ports | thatd be pretty funny.. running kismet on that tablet. my friend just got kismet running on his Sharp Zaurus 5500 | 06:31 |
| milhouse | i understood it to be a problem with the wifi modules | 06:31 |
| megabyte405 | It does work, on startup | 06:31 |
| milhouse | basically, it works for a bit then becomes unstable | 06:31 |
| dragorn | milhouse: You know I haven't had a chance to check | 06:31 |
| dragorn | I just got it flashed yesterday | 06:31 |
| dragorn | once i finish this round of UT maybe | 06:32 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: cool, thanks! :D | 06:32 |
| dragorn | i've been dealing with darwin and bsd stuff lately | 06:32 |
| milhouse | cheers dragorn... i could check myself of course :) | 06:32 |
| megabyte405 | If it does work, then I will definitely flash sooner rather than later - Kismet is awesome | 06:32 |
| eugene | woohoo, i got a first reply to my blog. lol | 06:33 |
| milhouse | took me about a day to get back to where i was after the update... forget i had my handy-dandy "reflash" web page hosted on my linux server. went to connect to it after reflashing, got connection refused, looked to my right and saw server in pieces as i was part way through upgrading it. sigh. :) | 06:33 |
| milhouse | had had enough of suse... ubuntu is quite nice! | 06:33 |
| eugene | milhouse: i prefer fedora :) | 06:34 |
| milhouse | right... what's the repository for kismet? | 06:34 |
| trevarthan | Degu is not ukmp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degu | 06:35 |
| trevarthan | Not a particularly musical animal though | 06:35 |
| milhouse | damn.. maemo downloads is down? | 06:36 |
| trevarthan | But it does like to be stoked. :) And so does ukmp.... | 06:36 |
| milhouse | my linux server is more stable than this carp | 06:36 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: attractive lookin' critter. not. | 06:36 |
| trevarthan | yeh. | 06:36 |
| milhouse | oh hang on, there's two of them sitting on a stump.. i thought it was one head at first (note to self: get down to opticians pronto) | 06:37 |
| milhouse | kismet info anybody? | 06:37 |
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| eugene | http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user | 06:39 |
| eugene | milhouse: http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user <-- got this from a forum. not sure if it works | 06:39 |
| dragorn | I'll deal with genning new code off the stable tree once i'm done w/ some other stuff | 06:39 |
| eugene | rather, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4183 | 06:40 |
| milhouse | thanks eugene | 06:40 |
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| dragorn | if it works, I'll make a real package | 06:40 |
| milhouse | kismet is http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user | 06:41 |
| milhouse | kismet? | 06:41 |
| _Monkey | kismet is pretty much ? | 06:41 |
| milhouse | arse | 06:41 |
| dragorn | there are no official kismet packages. Someone made one a while back, I have no plans to make one until it's stable on the fw | 06:41 |
| milhouse | kismet? | 06:41 |
| _Monkey | somebody said kismet was http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user | 06:41 |
| milhouse | i'll give this one a go | 06:41 |
| eugene | good luck wrt dependencies issue ;) | 06:42 |
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| megabyte405 | I've used the eko.one.pl package | 06:46 |
| megabyte405 | Milhouse: thanks for the heads-up. That looked like one of those whiny threads, hence why I didn't see it. I've replied in greater magnitude than I initially intended, but hopefully it helps clear things up, and it acknowledges help when receeived | 06:49 |
| ports- | you guys ever flash a Netgear WGT 634U to OpenWRT? | 06:52 |
| megabyte405 | now there's a very specific question :-D | 06:52 |
| megabyte405 | I tend to avoid netgear whenever I can, interestingly enough. I have their MIMO G router and it is lousy - about 30 ft worth of range, on a good day | 06:53 |
| milhouse | whiny thread? on ITT? how dare you... | 06:54 |
| milhouse | :) | 06:54 |
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| megabyte405 | :D | 06:55 |
| ports- | megabyte405, i have one of the routers.. only reason i keep it around is because it has a usb port that supports a harddrive up to 500gigs. so it makes a very cheap and powerful NAS | 06:55 |
| eugene | how about fon routers? what architecture is it? | 06:55 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: ah, nice. I've heard of those (like the Linksys NSLU2) but I've never had the opportunity or need to get one | 06:55 |
| ports- | megabyte405, but the firmware is flakey.. and even after reflashing, and cycling through from the original flash to the latest.. the wireless is still vey flakey.. no one can maintain a connection for more than 45 seconds | 06:55 |
| ports- | eugene, i have one.. ive got mine running DD-WRT | 06:55 |
| megabyte405 | ha, so I'm not alone | 06:55 |
| eugene | ports-: what architecture is that? is it ARM? | 06:56 |
| ports- | i have a netgear mr814v2.. has it for 7 years.. thing still runs like a rock.. no issues at all. | 06:56 |
| ports- | eugene, the 634u or fonera? | 06:56 |
| eugene | ports-: how much space is there? | 06:56 |
| eugene | ports-: fonera | 06:56 |
| ports- | i think it had 8mb | 06:56 |
| eugene | nod | 06:57 |
| eugene | guess it's a good traveling router | 06:57 |
| eugene | sometimes your bed and the internet point is very far away :) | 06:57 |
| ports- | i flashed the router.. but i never use it because it has 1 uplink ethernet port.. its meant for wireless only.. which i prefer ethernet for my desktops | 06:57 |
| ports- | exactly! DD-WRT lets you bridge and do a signal relay.. so it becomes a signal extender | 06:57 |
| eugene | ports-: i have an idea but not sure if it will work | 06:58 |
| ports- | for? | 06:58 |
| eugene | ports-: say i have a linksys router in my room, and i want to use the fon router downstairs as a relay | 06:58 |
| eugene | ports-: but the internet point is to my linksys router in my room. is it possible to have a fon router downstairs to act as a relay? but only to connect to the powerpoint? | 06:59 |
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| ports- | 'connect to the powerpoint?' | 06:59 |
| eugene | silly question maybe but just wondering if you know :) | 06:59 |
| eugene | i mean... fon router but not connected to the uplink ethernet port. | 07:00 |
| ports- | oh. you mean not be physically connected to your internet router... yes thats possible | 07:00 |
| eugene | yes | 07:00 |
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| ports- | thats been a major use of the flashed fonera routers | 07:00 |
| eugene | any useful articles or howto/tutorials on that? | 07:01 |
| eugene | greatly appreciated. | 07:01 |
| ports- | megabyte405, i havent found a decent guide on using that usb port after the router runs OpenWRT.. i want to make sure i dont lose my NAS functionality | 07:01 |
| ports- | eugene, http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/LaFonera_Software_Flashing | 07:01 |
| eugene | then i can use my n800 downstairs too :) | 07:02 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: you might want to look into some of the nslu2 info - it may be similar? I have no experience with either, though, nor dd-wrt, so you're askin the wrong guy :D | 07:02 |
| eugene | RedBoot == red hat :) | 07:02 |
| ports- | k | 07:02 |
| trevarthan | Kagu is not ukmp! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu | 07:02 |
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| ports- | megabyte405, dunno.. i dont really want to buy another device | 07:02 |
| megabyte405 | I just meant the docs might apply to both :D | 07:03 |
| ports- | megabyte405, the netgear firmware has a built in FTP server... oh ok | 07:03 |
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| trevarthan | I really like kagu for my media player's name. It's not common. It's not ugly, really. (not like an emu) It's a bird. And it ends in 'u'. My only complaint is that it sounds a little funny.... | 07:07 |
| ports- | hrm.. does the N710 let you connect an external usb/ps2 keyboard? | 07:07 |
| ports- | er N770 | 07:07 |
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| milhouse | pmku | 07:10 |
| milhouse | pmku is not ukmp | 07:10 |
| milhouse | (if you like mirror writing) | 07:10 |
| milhouse | somewhat unpronouncible though | 07:11 |
| pupnik_ | i like ukmp too | 07:11 |
| eugene | ports-: thanks for the link. i will try it tonight :) | 07:11 |
| ports- | eugene, np. let me know if you need help with it | 07:11 |
| ports- | be careful.. if you get stuck at a part.. start over... otherwise you could brick it | 07:12 |
| ports- | milhouse, mirror writing? | 07:12 |
| milhouse | pmku | ukmp | 07:12 |
| eugene | thanks for the tip | 07:12 |
| eugene | ports-: is it possible to cover by reflashing if it is "bricked"? | 07:13 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: you don't like kagu? | 07:14 |
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| milhouse | i read kagu and thing of those thin, plastic coats | 07:14 |
| trevarthan | :) what? | 07:15 |
| milhouse | Cagoule - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cagoule | 07:15 |
| ports- | eugene, following that guide.. you shouldnt brick it.. i had a few times where something didnt work so i just immediately started over. | 07:15 |
| milhouse | oh hang on, wrong link | 07:15 |
| eugene | ports-: okie | 07:15 |
| milhouse | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagoule_(raincoat) | 07:16 |
| milhouse | i used to have one when i was a kid | 07:16 |
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| ports- | milhouse, lol what :P | 07:17 |
| trevarthan | I gotta admit: it sounds funny. best I got right now though. | 07:17 |
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| trevarthan | At least it's a bird, so I can make it cutsie. | 07:18 |
| trevarthan | you know, like the pidgin project's mascot? | 07:19 |
| megabyte405 | if it's a complete rewrite, why the association with UKMP? | 07:19 |
| trevarthan | It still looks like ukmp. :) | 07:19 |
| rwhitby | eump? (.eu bigger than .uk?) | 07:20 |
| trevarthan | the uk doesn't stand for the country. It's the author's initials. | 07:20 |
| rwhitby | yeah, I know. | 07:20 |
| dragorn | looks like "no, they didn't fix the wireless" | 07:20 |
| trevarthan | it was broken? | 07:21 |
| milhouse | that eko.one.pl site seems to be a little hosed - not having much fun installing kismet | 07:21 |
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| milhouse | dragorn: quell surprise... thanks for checking | 07:22 |
| dragorn | hm, now it's working | 07:22 |
| dragorn | so it's still pretty iffy if it's going to go usefully into rfmon | 07:22 |
| trevarthan | tremp, trevarthan media player... | 07:23 |
| trevarthan | or tramp | 07:23 |
| milhouse | maybe they fixed it... a bit | 07:23 |
| dragorn | http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb ... Don't complain if it doesn't work | 07:23 |
| ports- | dragorn, is there a decent way to use a usb keyboard on the N770? | 07:23 |
| trevarthan | trevamp | 07:23 |
| dragorn | ports-: if you kluge a cable, and build a power pack for it | 07:24 |
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| ports- | easily done | 07:24 |
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| ports- | dragorn, do you have python running on your n770? | 07:25 |
| dragorn | no | 07:25 |
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| megabyte405 | ports-: search itt, there's info there | 07:25 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: thanks for checking. I found that going into offline mode first resulted in fewer confusions for kismet | 07:26 |
| megabyte405 | (from a purely user PoV) | 07:26 |
| milhouse | dragorn: getting "incompatible applications package" in app manager | 07:26 |
| milhouse | that's for the svn kismet deb | 07:26 |
| ports- | megabyte405, for the keyboard or python | 07:26 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: well, both, actually, but I intended keyboard | 07:27 |
| dragorn | milhouse: dunno | 07:27 |
| ports- | megabyte405, ah. i found some forum conversations about it.. just throw the N770 into usb host mode.. and usb a self powered hub. and itll work | 07:28 |
| dragorn | milhouse: works here | 07:28 |
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| milhouse | ok, i'll try dpkg -i | 07:28 |
| ports- | megabyte405, for the python code.. im going to have to find someone that has it running on theirs.. because i need to run some specific scripting | 07:28 |
| megabyte405 | I have python on my n800 | 07:28 |
| dragorn | milhouse: works for me in applications mgr | 07:29 |
| ports- | megabyte405, http://rafb.net/p/6siRlA14.html | 07:29 |
| milhouse | maybe i've got a corrupt download, dpkg -i just bombed with a sub-process error | 07:29 |
| dragorn | maybe | 07:30 |
| milhouse | sorry my fault - i seem to have ended up with deb about 100k short of a full load | 07:30 |
| ports- | megabyte405, http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Linux - these are the packages needed to run that code in the paste.. | 07:30 |
| milhouse | installed fine now | 07:30 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: rebuild the source packages in Scratchbox - google for the INdT VMware SDK for Maemo for easiest use | 07:31 |
| dragorn | milhouse: cool | 07:31 |
| ports- | megabyte405, the n770 runs a modified debian.. and theres debian/ubuntu binaries available.. think they would work without any modification? | 07:32 |
| megabyte405 | no | 07:32 |
| ports- | *slaps himself* different processor architecture | 07:33 |
| megabyte405 | wrong architecture: the n770 is armel, not i386 | 07:33 |
| ports- | lol yeah | 07:33 |
| milhouse | kismet seems to be working... :) | 07:33 |
| ports- | megabyte405, do you have any spare time to see if numpy/scipy will work on the n800 after being rebuilt in scratchbox? | 07:34 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: not at the moment, sorry | 07:34 |
| ports- | no worries | 07:34 |
| megabyte405 | if you post on ITT or ask someone in maemo perhaps they can | 07:34 |
| megabyte405 | but I have too little memory and too little time | 07:34 |
| milhouse | kismet | 07:34 |
| megabyte405 | thanks for understanding :) | 07:34 |
| dragorn | download scratchbox yourself and run it, or grab the vmware image with zephyr installed | 07:34 |
| milhouse | oops wrong window | 07:34 |
| dragorn | sb comes with an armel emulator | 07:34 |
| megabyte405 | yeah, the INdT vmware image seems to work pretty well for me, and eliminates all the crazy installing stuff | 07:35 |
| dragorn | I *can* tell you ruby performs very poorly. I don't know how well python performs. | 07:35 |
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| megabyte405 | milhouse: how did you get around the incompatible application package? | 07:35 |
| ports- | megabyte405, lol yeah. i understand the time committments well. ive got the keyboard thing figured out, have Abiword, pdf viewer, if i get python working.. this thing will replace my laptop for school uses | 07:35 |
| ports- | megabyte405, is INdT a vmware image of the n770/n800? | 07:36 |
| megabyte405 | INdT is a nokia research center in brazil. They distribute a vmware image of Ubuntu Feisty with the N800 development environment already installed | 07:36 |
| ports- | ah | 07:36 |
| megabyte405 | for something non-Maemoized like that, there should be little/no problem with using the n800 tools for n770, I would think | 07:37 |
| ports- | hopefully.. if you looked at the code i pasted.. basically its just math | 07:38 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: yeah - doesn't even look like there's too much non-python default code there | 07:38 |
| ports- | exactly | 07:39 |
| megabyte405 | I think the chances of an easy source recompile for numpy are high | 07:39 |
| ports- | although im programming in python.. there should be some air quotes in there.. because basically just referencing some basic math functions | 07:39 |
| ports- | i couldnt write a python app to say.. sort files in a folder or something | 07:40 |
| ports- | oooh! the maemo python download has numeric.. that might be useful... Numeric is the old version of Numpy | 07:40 |
| ports- | where do i find that vmware image? ive been googling INdT and i found their maemo site, but no images there, and nothing on maemo.org i saw | 07:41 |
| megabyte405 | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/download-maemo-vm.html | 07:42 |
| megabyte405 | googled for indt maemo vmware | 07:42 |
| ports- | ah.. i googled for 'indt maemo vmware image' | 07:42 |
| megabyte405 | they call it an appliance, apparently :) | 07:42 |
| milhouse | wow... 12 other wifi networks around me, half of them on chan 11 and the other half on chan 9. suckers. | 07:42 |
| ports- | aww man... an hour to download | 07:43 |
| ports- | im gunna go clean my kitchen, brb | 07:44 |
| megabyte405 | :D | 07:44 |
| milhouse | megabyte405: just finished reading your post on ITT, nicely put - it should clear up a few misunderstanding and also give people hope that things are still happening | 07:47 |
| megabyte405 | milhouse: thanks - that was the goal | 07:48 |
| megabyte405 | Nokia actually helped out abi a lot | 07:48 |
| eugene | megabyte405: which url for the itt post | 07:48 |
| megabyte405 | and the outdated INdT site still distributes the earliest Abi on Maemo port | 07:48 |
| milhouse | i doubt many people knew this though - which is a shame | 07:48 |
| milhouse | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57754#post57754 | 07:48 |
| eugene | thanks | 07:48 |
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| milhouse | dragorn: got a case where kismet goes nuts and displays garbage text on the screen followed by "Discon" and a TCP error (Read error 2)... | 07:54 |
| dragorn | milhouse: 'k... Not useful unless theres a gdb trace or something of it, unfortunately | 07:54 |
| dragorn | or unless it happens here | 07:54 |
| milhouse | dragorn: seems to be reproducible if I go within range of a wifi network, monitor it for a while then move out of range... shortly after kismet goes nuts | 07:54 |
| dragorn | probably something killed the server, like dhcp or some other network manager | 07:54 |
| milhouse | "Didn't detect any Cisco Discovery Packets, unlinking cisco dump" is written at the top of my screen, followed by several other lines of text snaking down the screen | 07:55 |
| dragorn | theres no logical distinction for moving in or out of range of a network - it doesn't care, and theres no state change or difference | 07:55 |
| dragorn | thats a shutdown of the server | 07:55 |
| dragorn | I stand by my theory that some network management sw is killing it | 07:55 |
| megabyte405 | milhouse: try going into offline mode before starting kismet | 07:56 |
| milhouse | it's done it twice now, both times shortly after i'd moved out of range of a bunch of networks... could be a coincidence. | 07:56 |
| dragorn | since that's not only a shutdown, it's a clean shutdown not a segv - it wouldn't be closing files cleanly during a segv or a bus error or anything like that | 07:56 |
| milhouse | offline = flight mode? | 07:56 |
| megabyte405 | mine says offline mode | 07:56 |
| megabyte405 | it's in the power menu | 07:56 |
| milhouse | maybe i'm thinking of another device :) | 07:56 |
| megabyte405 | probably a conflict with the built in software trying to roam | 07:56 |
| megabyte405 | press the power button - it's right below "lock touch screen and keys" | 07:57 |
| milhouse | offline activated... | 07:57 |
| ports- | stupid dishwasher... | 07:57 |
| milhouse | off to find some distant wifi networks... back soon | 07:57 |
| megabyte405 | milhouse: how did you get around the incompatible package thing? just a re-download? | 07:57 |
| milhouse | yes, when i copied the deb from my pc to the n800 i only copied the first 400kb, hence the n800 was a bit confused | 07:58 |
| milhouse | deb should be fine, though you may need ncurses and possibly libpcap which you can get from the eno.one.pl site | 07:58 |
| milhouse | kismet? | 07:58 |
| _Monkey | kismet is http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user or http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb but don't complain if it doesn't work | 07:58 |
| milhouse | ok thats strange, i'm only picking up my own network in offline mode | 07:59 |
| milhouse | think i'll reboot just to be sure | 08:00 |
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| milhouse | someone's already reported kismet on itt :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57767#post57767 | 08:01 |
| milhouse | bugger, battery is running out | 08:02 |
| milhouse | :( | 08:02 |
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| dragorn | i love how people post everywhere except in my forum or email me about things working/not working, as if I'm omniscient and read every site everywhere | 08:04 |
| milhouse | even better, my internal storage has suddenly gone read-only - this fat corruption bug definately _not_ fixed! | 08:05 |
| milhouse | you mean you're not? | 08:05 |
| milhouse | damn | 08:05 |
| eugene | dragorn: what do you do.. | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | garage forums get very little use | 08:05 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: I figured it wasn't important enough to me, and that you had bigger fish to fry than a bunch of geeks trying to wardrive with their pockets :D | 08:05 |
| milhouse | i'm going to have to leave this debugging session for a bit, flat battery and storage corruption have all come at the worst possible time | 08:05 |
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| ports- | dragorn, i thought you knew | 08:07 |
| milhouse | thanks for your help dragorn... i'll chat here again or post something on your forum (http://www.kismetwireless.net/Forum/General/ ?) | 08:08 |
| milhouse | or an email | 08:08 |
| * megabyte405 feels dangerous - he has red pill mode turned on temporarily | 08:09 | |
| megabyte405 | hey, there we go, now it's installed. | 08:09 |
| Trencher | i bet this'll be a no.. | 08:09 |
| Trencher | is there any place to get a precompiled cx3110x driver? | 08:09 |
| megabyte405 | Trencher: I think there might be a place on the garage | 08:10 |
| Trencher | the source is there | 08:10 |
| megabyte405 | did you look at the release notes and news posts? | 08:10 |
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| dragorn | milhouse: The drivers are still screwed up | 08:11 |
| Trencher | no rel notes, i'll look at the posts | 08:11 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: hey cool, it looks like it might be working (on the old firmware) - it's 41 seconds into my sessiona nd I'm still getting packets | 08:11 |
| dragorn | milhouse: offline mode works fine w/ kismet, however then it can't find networks anymore in online mode (the network mgr) | 08:11 |
| Trencher | no news either | 08:11 |
| megabyte405 | way better than before | 08:11 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: it's totally unreliable on the old firmware | 08:11 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: you have to reboot after running kismet, even when using offline mode | 08:11 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: nothing has changed in kismet that would fix anything | 08:11 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: well, your new build works better than the eko one | 08:12 |
| megabyte405 | go figure | 08:12 |
| megabyte405 | maybe just a bad package | 08:12 |
| hieptranit | hi | 08:12 |
| megabyte405 | but it's now 1.5 minutes in, and that old build would kick over after about 15 seconds | 08:12 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: No difference in the monitor or capture logic, you just hit a time when it happens to work vs. not | 08:12 |
| milhouse | dragorn: i didn't have enough juice to test it, but I'll have another play and see if i can reproduce the onscreen garbage / server crash | 08:12 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: which is why there haven't been official packages for it | 08:12 |
| megabyte405 | interesting - it was reliably useless before, whereas now it's working | 08:12 |
| dragorn | milhouse: it's not a crash, it's a shutdown. Something is killing the interface out from underneath it and it's shutting down | 08:13 |
| megabyte405 | I'll reboot and see if it breaks :) | 08:13 |
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| dragorn | megabyte405: I had it working and not working randomly | 08:13 |
| hieptranit | can you anyone help me with maemo | 08:13 |
| Trencher | what about it? | 08:13 |
| hieptranit | i used a prepackage helloworld | 08:13 |
| megabyte405 | hieptranit: we all probably can, but please let us know a specific question http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 08:13 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: whoah, it even fell asleep and kept working: I feel lucky :D | 08:14 |
| hieptranit | and now i want to add some menu on it | 08:14 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: n800? | 08:14 |
| _Monkey | i think n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) | 08:14 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: yes | 08:14 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: n800 doesn't sleep :P | 08:14 |
| megabyte405 | ha - suckers: two linksys's on channel 6 within my range | 08:14 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: it just turns off the lcd | 08:14 |
| hieptranit | but i keep getting this error message | 08:14 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: well, the lock screen thing | 08:14 |
| megabyte405 | it crashes AbiWord, because they changed the ABI | 08:14 |
| hieptranit | ./.libs/libhelloworld.so: undefined reference to `hildon_window_set_menu' | 08:15 |
| Trencher | o well. it was worth a try.. time to figure out how to 'compile linux 2.6 modules' in windows | 08:15 |
| megabyte405 | hieptranit: did you make sure to use the right version for your device? (Bora = n800, mistral, scirocco or something = 770) | 08:16 |
| megabyte405 | Trencher: vmware or livecd | 08:16 |
| Trencher | :(( | 08:17 |
| hieptranit | yes | 08:17 |
| dragorn | at the time i dealt w/ the cx modules, building them was non-trivial, I had to rewrite the makefile and tweak a bunch of things. I don't know if they've gotten better or not. | 08:18 |
| Trencher | so that's a no... | 08:20 |
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| Trencher | maybe vmware AND livecd | 08:22 |
| megabyte405 | Trencher: see my advice above about the INdT Maemo vmware appliance | 08:23 |
| megabyte405 | if you're compiling a kernel module, that's the way to go | 08:23 |
| hieptranit | i am using this sample code hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz | 08:23 |
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| hieptranit | so after i added the call to "gtk_menu_item_set_submenu(GTK_MENU_ITEM(service_type_menu), item_service);" | 08:25 |
| hieptranit | and tried to do a make and we got a link error | 08:25 |
| hieptranit | ./.libs/libhelloworld.so: undefined reference to `hildon_window_set_menu' | 08:26 |
| hieptranit | so does anybody know any hints or solution? | 08:26 |
| megabyte405 | hieptranit: you're beyond me now, sorry | 08:27 |
| megabyte405 | make sure you have the right includes | 08:27 |
| megabyte405 | and that you're linking against the hildon libraries | 08:27 |
| dragorn | you're calling a function that is defined in a header and you aren't linking the library it needs | 08:28 |
| hieptranit | i did that and yes we are linking against the hildon libs | 08:28 |
| dragorn | you're missing a lib, or you're calling a function that doesn't exist in your version of maemo | 08:28 |
| hieptranit | do we need to update the makefiles or something? | 08:28 |
| ports- | megabyte405, *sigh* 20 minutes left on the download | 08:29 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: you're downloading an entire operating system and compilation tools | 08:29 |
| ports- | megabyte405, yeah.. but i have 6mbps dsl.. this should be faster :) | 08:29 |
| megabyte405 | their server isn't the fastest | 08:29 |
| ports- | it might not be them. | 08:30 |
| ports- | i upgraded from 3mbps last week. and my upload speeds have increased.. but i havent really seen an increase in my download | 08:30 |
| megabyte405 | you are probably maxing out the servers you are hitting | 08:30 |
| megabyte405 | try simultaneously downloading the vmware player you'll need to run that image :D | 08:31 |
| ports- | already have vmware player | 08:31 |
| Trencher | lol | 08:31 |
| ports- | i use it for an ubuntu image with my python tools integrated :) | 08:31 |
| hieptranit | we tried this "gcc -o maemo_hello maemo_hello.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs`" and it works | 08:31 |
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| hieptranit | but when we used make it complained about undefined reference | 08:32 |
| megabyte405 | hieptranit: fix your makefile | 08:32 |
| megabyte405 | you need to add those pkg-config parts to your includes, hwoever you do that in your particular makefiles | 08:33 |
| hieptranit | which one makefile.am or makefile.in or makefile | 08:33 |
| megabyte405 | I think .am | 08:33 |
| ports- | megabyte405, nope.. looks like theyve increased my upload speeds, but not my download. | 08:34 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: that stinks... | 08:35 |
| ports- | megabyte405, its ok.. theyll fix it on monday | 08:35 |
| ports- | megabyte405, at&t and i havent been getting along so well. idiot landscapers keep cutting the ground line to my house.. which isnt entirely their fault since its barely buried 2 inches deep. and the at&t installer 3 times now has shallowly buried the line when its required to be 12 inches. | 08:36 |
| megabyte405 | ah, yes. at&t. I don't envy anyone who has to deal with them | 08:37 |
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| megabyte405 | I'm a computer tech by trade, at least for now | 08:37 |
| megabyte405 | so I end up dealing with at&t | 08:37 |
| ports- | theyre not bad. | 08:37 |
| ports- | im nice to them on the phone, and in turn theyre nice to me. | 08:37 |
| megabyte405 | me too | 08:38 |
| ports- | its not customer service's fault that their installers are lazy morons | 08:38 |
| megabyte405 | well, you actually get an installer | 08:38 |
| megabyte405 | here it's all self install | 08:38 |
| megabyte405 | unfortunately, I often know what's going on more clearly than the first level tech support | 08:38 |
| ports- | if they want my business, theyll send an installer. :) | 08:38 |
| megabyte405 | and the continuing threat of "we'll look at the box, but if it's not outside, we're coming inside and billing you $96/hour" doesn't do much for my confidence in them | 08:38 |
| ports- | i have at&t local phone, dsl, cellular service, and satelite. i pay them a large sum of money each month | 08:39 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: it seems you were right - I was just darn lucky last reboot. Seems to be stuck now. | 08:39 |
| dragorn | megabyte405: unfortunately | 08:39 |
| ports- | eek.. i just estimated what i pay them.. its $300/month | 08:39 |
| ports- | and thats after my discounts for being a state employee | 08:39 |
| megabyte405 | that's so weird - it's like it only gets the first "update" so to speak when scanning | 08:39 |
| megabyte405 | :) | 08:40 |
| megabyte405 | wow, if I run it several times in a row without rebooting, it won't even get the ui set up - it says bind failed | 08:41 |
| megabyte405 | that's weird | 08:41 |
| ports- | megabyte405, are you an independent computer tech? | 08:41 |
| megabyte405 | must be because it hung and I ctrl-c'ed it | 08:41 |
| eugene | ports-: what is a state employee | 08:41 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: yep - at least for now | 08:41 |
| ports- | eugene, i work for the state government through a state university | 08:42 |
| megabyte405 | I'd like to "move up in the world" to network administration or experimental software design (like maemo, etc) but not yet | 08:42 |
| ports- | megabyte405, i dislike independent computer techs.. theyre almost as bad as Best Buy as far as pricing | 08:42 |
| `0660 | i don't have a satellite nor a local phone but my 100 mb internet connection and cell phone generate about $30/month :) | 08:42 |
| megabyte405 | ports-: ha - not me, I'm a uni student who looks a lot younger than my real age, so I can't charge much. I'm very, very cheap compared to best buy | 08:43 |
| ports- | `0660, my dsl is $35/mo.. and if you dont get local phone service, they charge you $80/mo.. whereas a local no option phone is $10/month | 08:43 |
| dragorn | I pay 300/mo for synchronous 3mbit plus half a class c and reverse dns delegation | 08:43 |
| `0660 | i wish you had a better consumer protection laws in us | 08:44 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: now that is what I call an internet connection! :D | 08:44 |
| eugene | ports-: oh.. | 08:45 |
| ports- | megabyte405, how old are you | 08:45 |
| megabyte405 | university student | 08:45 |
| ports- | eugene, where are you from? | 08:45 |
| eugene | ports-: singapore | 08:45 |
| ports- | megabyte405, 17-18. :) | 08:45 |
| `0660 | here the isp's have to rent their lines to competitors with sensible price. and that's why there is some competition going on | 08:45 |
| eugene | ports-: we don't have states here :) | 08:45 |
| ports- | eugene, ah. here if you work for a state university, you're paid by the state government.. so the same ethics, regulations, policies that apply for regular government employees apply to us also. | 08:46 |
| eugene | ports-: interesting | 08:46 |
| Trencher | yay found a compiled one: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4506&page=2 | 08:47 |
| eugene | ports-: we don't have an equivalent over here. | 08:47 |
| ports- | eugene, sure you do.. the singapore country government :) | 08:47 |
| eugene | ports-: hehe, except that the government university do not get the regular government employee benefits :) | 08:48 |
| ports- | i normally dont either. | 08:48 |
| ports- | but a few places like phone companies form discount agreements with the universities.. its a way for them to get extra business. | 08:49 |
| ports- | for a 5-10% discount, they get recommended strongly to the 3-4,000 people i work with | 08:49 |
| eugene | ah.. | 08:50 |
| eugene | gee, don't feel like studying for my test tomorrow. | 08:51 |
| ports- | whats it in | 08:52 |
| eugene | some military stuff.. | 08:52 |
| megabyte405 | alright, I'm headin offline for the night | 08:52 |
| megabyte405 | later all | 08:52 |
| eugene | megabyte405: night | 08:53 |
| ports- | later megabyte405 thanks | 08:53 |
| megabyte405 | thanks for your help, dragorn | 08:53 |
| megabyte405 | dragorn: will let you know on the forums if I find out more info or antyhing | 08:53 |
| megabyte405 | later eugene , ports- , Trencher | 08:53 |
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| eugene | later | 08:53 |
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| ports- | eugene, whats it in | 08:53 |
| eugene | ports-: some military stuff... | 08:54 |
| ports- | are you in the military? | 08:54 |
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| eugene | ports-: i'm in reservist right now. | 08:54 |
| ports- | cool | 08:55 |
| eugene | s/in/a/ | 08:55 |
| infobot | eugene meant: ports-: i'm a reservist right now. | 08:55 |
| ports- | haha | 08:55 |
| ports- | s/cool/oops | 08:55 |
| ports- | d'oh | 08:55 |
| eugene | hehe | 08:55 |
| ports- | s/d'oh/cool | 08:55 |
| eugene | you forgot the backslash | 08:55 |
| ports- | s/d'oh/cool/ | 08:55 |
| infobot | ports- meant: s/cool/cool | 08:56 |
| eugene | lol | 08:56 |
| ports- | nice | 08:56 |
| ports- | i might have to write a script to do that for me | 08:56 |
| eugene | s/lol/lolol/ | 08:56 |
| infobot | eugene meant: lolol | 08:56 |
| eugene | s/script/code/ | 08:56 |
| eugene | ah-ha! | 08:57 |
| Trencher | arrgh | 08:58 |
| Trencher | lol | 08:58 |
| ports- | s/write a script to do that for me/punch someone in the face/ | 08:58 |
| infobot | ports- meant: i might have to punch someone in the face | 08:58 |
| ports- | haha :> | 08:58 |
| Trencher | insmod: cannot insert '/home/user/cx3110x.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error | 08:58 |
| Trencher | yay! | 08:59 |
| Trencher | lol | 08:59 |
| eugene | modinfo cx311x.ko | 08:59 |
| Trencher | no such proggy | 08:59 |
| eugene | /sbin/modinfo <-- no? | 09:00 |
| Trencher | maybe | 09:00 |
| eugene | did you sudo gainroot? | 09:00 |
| Trencher | nope | 09:00 |
| Trencher | and yes | 09:00 |
| Trencher | .. /sbin # modinfo /home/user/cx3110x.ko | 09:01 |
| Trencher | .. /bin/sh: modinfo: not found | 09:01 |
| Trencher | i <3 linux cuz it's so damn argumentative | 09:01 |
| eugene | my n800 is offline at the moment... | 09:01 |
| Trencher | windows bends over way too easy | 09:01 |
| Trencher | i have a 770 | 09:02 |
| Trencher | it might be because the driver was compiled for a 800... :( | 09:02 |
| ports- | Trencher, i want a 770 | 09:02 |
| Trencher | do you have a 800? | 09:02 |
| ports- | no | 09:02 |
| Trencher | lol i wooted | 09:02 |
| Trencher | it looked cool | 09:02 |
| ports- | how much | 09:02 |
| Trencher | i have nightmares i never had now | 09:02 |
| Trencher | 135 | 09:03 |
| ports- | i want one for 100 :) | 09:04 |
| Trencher | ebay? | 09:04 |
| Trencher | if you ebay REALLY well | 09:04 |
| ports- | 150+10 | 09:04 |
| Trencher | you can get stuff dirt cheap | 09:04 |
| Trencher | i got mine 130+5 | 09:04 |
| Trencher | o well | 09:05 |
| Trencher | unless someone's willing to compile for me (i will give roms!) i'm going to wait a hour for the Maemo SDK VMWare img to dl | 09:06 |
| Trencher | then i'll take a couple of shots at compiling for my first time evar | 09:06 |
| eugene | Trencher: i don't need the roms, but i can compile for you. | 09:06 |
| eugene | for 880? | 09:07 |
| eugene | s/880/800/ | 09:07 |
| infobot | eugene meant: for 800? | 09:07 |
| Trencher | no, 770 | 09:07 |
| ports- | i just finished downloading the maemo sdk | 09:07 |
| eugene | oh, then i can't compile for you. | 09:07 |
| Trencher | :( | 09:07 |
| Trencher | lol | 09:07 |
| Trencher | i rmmodded my wifi driver.. a reset should undo that, right? | 09:08 |
| ports- | i think so | 09:08 |
| Trencher | total linux n00b | 09:08 |
| ports- | i dont think that deletes it | 09:09 |
| Trencher | managed to get the 2007he edition in, then moved it to the mmc | 09:09 |
| Trencher | that's it | 09:09 |
| Trencher | s/edition/ | 09:09 |
| Trencher | stupid fancypants infobot | 09:10 |
| ports- | yay | 09:10 |
| ports- | it loads | 09:10 |
| Trencher | s/stupid fancypants/cool | 09:10 |
| Trencher | s/stupid fancypants/cool/ | 09:10 |
| Trencher | lol | 09:10 |
| infobot | Trencher meant: s/cool/cool | 09:10 |
| ports- | s/it loads/stop doing that dummy :) | 09:11 |
| ports- | s/it loads/stop doing that dummy :)/ | 09:11 |
| infobot | ports- meant: s/stop doing that dummy :)/stop doing that dummy :) | 09:11 |
| Trencher | me needs to gb/2/syntaxschool | 09:11 |
| Trencher | only 56 mins left | 09:11 |
| Trencher | wlan still works.. so it should be ok | 09:12 |
| ports- | Trencher, i have a laptop right now thats getting a bit old and slowly dying.. and its almost 10 lbs with power supply.. so its a pain to lug around with textbooks | 09:12 |
| Trencher | stream me some kroq | 09:12 |
| Trencher | :( | 09:12 |
| Trencher | get a palm? | 09:12 |
| ports- | i have a palm and a pocketpc.. they serve their purposes | 09:12 |
| Trencher | palm + kb = laptop | 09:13 |
| Trencher | at least, mine did | 09:13 |
| ports- | Trencher, at school i basically needs something that runs pdf, some python code, runs word docs, and browses the web.. so with a few mods the n770 will be great | 09:13 |
| ports- | yuck.. palms are trash :) | 09:13 |
| Trencher | i only used mine for mp3+games+web | 09:13 |
| Trencher | and it sucked at that | 09:13 |
| ports- | ive been using palmos for 8 years. i hate it | 09:13 |
| Trencher | i never used the pim | 09:13 |
| Trencher | but i lost my T|T2 | 09:13 |
| Trencher | so now i got this | 09:13 |
| Trencher | it's pretty cool, because i <3 KROQ, but i get no signal in my room | 09:14 |
| Trencher | so i can stream it with it | 09:14 |
| ports- | ah. i have a sony clie peg-t415.. makes a nice ebook reader.. but beyond that.. palmos isnt nearly as handy as even pocketpc 2002 was | 09:14 |
| Trencher | lol ebooks | 09:14 |
| Trencher | what's your source? | 09:15 |
| ports- | efnet / #books | 09:15 |
| ports- | err #bw | 09:15 |
| Trencher | i use #bookz on undernet | 09:15 |
| ports- | probably the same | 09:15 |
| ports- | only thing ill have to carry extra is a keyboard + hub.. and im thinking ill buy one of those rollable rubberized keyboards | 09:16 |
| Trencher | eww | 09:17 |
| Trencher | i have a couple of those foldout keyboards for palm | 09:17 |
| Trencher | love them | 09:17 |
| eugene | Trencher: mail me one! | 09:17 |
| Trencher | when i bust it out, people instantly assume i'm some type of hacker | 09:18 |
| Trencher | which port do you have? | 09:18 |
| ports- | does the 770 have bluetooth? i think it does... | 09:18 |
| Trencher | i've got a extra for the universal connector | 09:18 |
| Trencher | it does | 09:18 |
| Trencher | and there's a bt keyboard driver | 09:18 |
| eugene | Trencher: i'm usin n800 | 09:18 |
| eugene | Trencher: bt probably works | 09:19 |
| Trencher | they're not bt | 09:19 |
| Trencher | both r wired | 09:19 |
| ports- | Trencher, thats what i was going to mention | 09:19 |
| eugene | mini usb? | 09:19 |
| Trencher | no, palm proprietary ports | 09:19 |
| Trencher | can't use on the 770 | 09:19 |
| ports- | Trencher, have you seen Live Free or Die Hard? | 09:20 |
| Trencher | not yet | 09:20 |
| ports- | they make extensive use of rollable keyboards, and pdas to hack computers | 09:20 |
| Trencher | lol | 09:20 |
| eugene | which bt keyboard is good for n800? | 09:22 |
| ports- | eugene, the cheapest one you find :) | 09:22 |
| eugene | i guess i will buy one, for convenience. | 09:23 |
| eugene | hmm... | 09:23 |
| eugene | all not cheap.. | 09:23 |
| ports- | eugene, google a ACK-595. i like that form factor | 09:23 |
| eugene | googling | 09:23 |
| eugene | ports-: do u know n770/800 is not available in this part of the world? | 09:23 |
| ports- | nope. | 09:23 |
| eugene | wow not bad | 09:24 |
| eugene | yeah it's only available in US/UK | 09:24 |
| eugene | not in APAC | 09:24 |
| ports- | you can find it via ebay | 09:24 |
| eugene | we have to import them from US | 09:24 |
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| eugene | wow i might want to buy that | 09:24 |
| ports- | eugene, the ACK-595 is a ps/2 keyboard.. not bluetooth | 09:25 |
| eugene | oh :( | 09:25 |
| eugene | how to use that with n800? | 09:25 |
| ports- | its just a very nice small keyboard | 09:25 |
| ports- | eugene, cant.. i dont think the 770/800 support ps2 | 09:25 |
| eugene | ok | 09:25 |
| ports- | they make a ack-595 in usb.. that might work just fine | 09:25 |
| ports- | here you go this is chea | 09:25 |
| ports- | http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Replacement-DH953_W0QQitemZ120137821967QQihZ002QQcategoryZ116287QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 09:25 |
| eugene | SGD$62 | 09:26 |
| eugene | wow that's not cheap | 09:26 |
| ports- | thats $35 USD with shipping.. trust me thats cheap for a bluetooth keyboard | 09:26 |
| eugene | that's huge... | 09:27 |
| ports- | im gunna go the wired route with my n770 when i buy it. no worries about batteries | 09:27 |
| eugene | http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/NEW-Adesso-88KEY-USB-Mini-Keyboard-White-ACK-595_W0QQitemZ200002572284QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4706QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem | 09:27 |
| ports- | yeah.. its a full sized keyboard.. you can probably reprogram all those function keys to do things on the n800 | 09:27 |
| eugene | US $42.31 Buy It Now > | 09:27 |
| eugene | (Approximately S$ 64.29) | 09:27 |
| eugene | still quite expensive | 09:27 |
| ports- | yep.. thats the keyboard i used to use in a ps/2 version | 09:28 |
| eugene | http://www.safecomputing.com/mini_keyboard_ps2.html | 09:28 |
| eugene | $10usd cheaper.. | 09:28 |
| ports- | i switched it for a Kensington Slimtype | 09:28 |
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| eugene | got to check out the priceshere | 09:30 |
| ports- | k | 09:31 |
| eugene | hopefully i can buy a good bt keyboard, or a mini-usb one | 09:32 |
| eugene | maybe i should get a mini usb version | 09:32 |
| Trencher | gah waiting so long for download | 09:33 |
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| trevarthan | eugene: no host mode usb on the n800. until that happens, I think it's bt keyboards only. | 09:37 |
| eugene | oh.... | 09:37 |
| eugene | thanks.. | 09:37 |
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| eugene | trevarthan: can those bt keyboards for palms be used on n800? | 09:46 |
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| Trencher | meh | 09:58 |
| Trencher | w/e | 09:58 |
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| trevarthan | eugene: probably. not sure. I've got a ThinkOutside bt keyboard. It acts rather funny. The FN key doesn't work. It's still usable, but it can be a bit annoying. Still, it's better than nothing. | 09:59 |
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| fdsd | hey guys, does the new 2007 os work with a 770? | 10:07 |
| fdsd | have they got it working yet? | 10:07 |
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| eugene | trevarthan: thanks for the info | 10:13 |
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| rhys | packet injection on the n800 apparently doesnt work? | 10:33 |
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| eugene | packet injection? | 11:09 |
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| claws | from what i read, flasher-3.0 doesn't work on new kernels, (i'm using 2.6.21), because of usb dev changes. what can i do, if anything? is there a new version of the flasher utility due anytime soon??? | 11:58 |
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| eugene | claws: nah, it worked on 2.6.21. 0xFFFF worked for me too | 12:48 |
| koos | claws: I used flasher-3.0 w/ 2.6.21.5, no problems | 12:48 |
| claws | hmm, strange | 12:49 |
| eugene | claws: what's the problem/error | 12:49 |
| claws | it just waits and waits saying that "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 12:49 |
| eugene | claws: you need to turn off your device, and then turn it on again | 12:50 |
| claws | yes, did that | 12:50 |
| claws | i an the flasher, connected my n800, turned it on while holding the 'home' key | 12:51 |
| claws | s/i an/i ran/ | 12:51 |
| infobot | claws meant: i ran the flasher, connected my n800, turned it on while holding the 'home' key | 12:51 |
| eugene | what do you have to do that | 12:51 |
| claws | ahh, infobot! :) | 12:51 |
| eugene | it's simple: | 12:51 |
| eugene | 1) off your n800 | 12:51 |
| eugene | 2) run the flasher | 12:51 |
| koos | there was something I recall w/ /proc/bus/usb or some other dir that wasn't populated in some case .. | 12:51 |
| eugene | 3) on your n800 | 12:51 |
| eugene | done | 12:51 |
| claws | that's what i did, but nothing. and it sounded so simple | 12:52 |
| claws | koos: you could be on the right track | 12:52 |
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| koos | my previous system had that too, I had to add 'none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0' to fstab (too much stripped in the kernel I guess) | 12:53 |
| claws | ok, let me check my fstab... | 12:54 |
| koos | no check your /proc/bus/usb first :-) | 12:54 |
| claws | well, my fstab already has that | 12:55 |
| claws | usb is working, i've dumped files onto the n800 | 12:55 |
| claws | koos: any other clues/ideas? | 12:56 |
| koos | but your /proc/bus/usb is empty right? | 12:57 |
| claws | no | 12:57 |
| claws | ls /proc/bus/usb | 12:57 |
| claws | 001 002 003 004 devices | 12:57 |
| koos | oh, than it's something different :-) | 12:57 |
| claws | hmm, thanks anyway :) | 12:57 |
| eugene | claws: you sure you inserted the usb cable properly? | 13:02 |
| claws | yes | 13:02 |
| koos | btw. I recall this long thread on lkml between RH and the other distro abut CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED, does this break flashing? | 13:03 |
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| koos | claws:you do this as root, no? | 13:05 |
| claws | i tried as root when the normal user failed, yes | 13:05 |
| claws | both the same | 13:05 |
| eugene | you are supposed to do this as root.... | 13:06 |
| koos | btw the three points above are w/o charger | 13:06 |
| claws | eugene: i read that it depends what privileges a normal user has | 13:07 |
| eichi | my themes are totaly damaged now...icons etc..overwrited...if i want to backup all thinks to get the same as before..and reflash: what do i have to backup? home/user and source.list or? then reinstall the apps and ready? | 13:07 |
| claws | koos: yes, understood. and was without charger | 13:07 |
| eugene | eichi: http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/ | 13:08 |
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| eugene | can't seem to find the uktube page | 13:09 |
| eugene | argh. download.maemo.org down? | 13:15 |
| eichi | eugene: this script backups very less information | 13:17 |
| claws | koos: i will return if i sus this out and let you know | 13:18 |
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| eugene | eichi: nod. | 13:23 |
| keesj | I have a small problem with my xmoto build, | 13:26 |
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| keesj | the depends does not include libsdl_gfx stuff | 13:27 |
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| keesj | how can I fix that? | 13:27 |
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| eichi | eugene: nod? whats the meaing of "nod"? | 13:51 |
| eugene | eichi: nod == ok == nodding my head in agreement | 13:53 |
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| koos_ | what is the best screenshot tool for bora? | 15:35 |
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| `0660 | is there more than one? | 15:36 |
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| koos_ | `0660:what is that one? | 15:38 |
| `0660 | mh-shot-tool | 15:39 |
| `0660 | but i haven't used it | 15:40 |
| `0660 | it might as well be the worst screenshot tool for bora | 15:40 |
| `0660 | especially if it's the only one | 15:40 |
| `0660 | :) | 15:40 |
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| koos_ | `0660:it's rather big, but seems to work. Doesn't append .png and worse adds a white rectangle .. | 15:45 |
| koos_ | `0660:so its pretty bad | 15:45 |
| `0660 | :/ | 15:46 |
| koos_ | on my n770 I had that cpu meter applet, that also did this. At least that one worked. Does that work on bora? | 15:46 |
| `0660 | try it? | 15:47 |
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| Sho_ | koos_: I also saw a 'maemo-screengrabber' somewhere | 16:33 |
| Sho_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-screengrabber | 16:34 |
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| koos_ | Sho_:thanks, hmm osso-screenshot-tool.. | 16:50 |
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| eugene | where does maemo screengrabber saves the images? i can't find it | 16:50 |
| Sho_ | to /home/user/MyDocs/.images, I imagine | 16:51 |
| eugene | thanks! | 16:51 |
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| koos_ | Sho_:yes works, great | 16:53 |
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| koos_ | now deinstalling mh-shot-tool only return 82kb, was 0.8Mb install | 16:56 |
| koos_ | .. is libsoup2.2-8 a default package? | 16:57 |
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| rlifchitz | hello | 17:17 |
| _Monkey | niihau, rlifchitz | 17:17 |
| eugene | _Monkey: niihau == nihao? :) | 17:18 |
| _Monkey | eugene: what? | 17:18 |
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| runehol | hi | 17:24 |
| runehol | does maemo use arm eabi? | 17:24 |
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| felipec | runehol: I think so | 17:40 |
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| runehol | thanks | 17:41 |
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| omnix | how can I tell what version of maemo I'm running? | 17:46 |
| Radar | tools > control panel > about product | 17:49 |
| omnix | I'm trying to install e2fsprog using apt-get. I have a 770 on IT2006 and the default repository is returning a 404. | 17:51 |
| Radar | if it's the maemo repository, I've been getting that for days now | 17:51 |
| omnix | from what I can tell, the files are being correctly indexed but are missing from the server. | 17:52 |
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| Radar | yeah, some think it might be a symlink change on the server | 17:52 |
| omnix | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 17:53 |
| omnix | if I change it to maemo2.2, the same files are downloadable | 17:53 |
| omnix | is there a way to change my apt-get settings to grab these files instead? | 17:53 |
| gomiam | you want to prioritize a repository over another? | 17:55 |
| gomiam | using /etc/apt/preferences you may define the priority of different versions and applications | 17:56 |
| gomiam | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html | 17:57 |
| gomiam | read about pinning there, it might be useful. | 17:57 |
| gomiam | (unfortunately I have no Linux computer running around here right now) | 17:57 |
| omnix | what is the diff b/w maemo2.0 and 2.2? | 17:59 |
| gomiam | mostly software updates, I guess. | 17:59 |
| gomiam | 2.0 is mistral and 2.2 is gregale, right? | 17:59 |
| omnix | yeah, will gregal packages work with IT2006? | 18:00 |
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| gomiam | I wouldn't bet on it, omnix | 18:01 |
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| gomiam | mistral is a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented | 18:01 |
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| gomiam | any binary that requires extra features available on N800's Ti OLAP 2420 won't work on N770, I fear. | 18:02 |
| omnix | i thought N800 was bora? | 18:02 |
| gomiam | argh, I don't know any more. I have mistral/scirocco/gregale/bora repositories all strewn together in my sources.list | 18:04 |
| wumpus | yes bora is n800 | 18:04 |
| wumpus | gregale is latest n770 | 18:05 |
| gomiam | according to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4551 wumpus is right | 18:05 |
| gomiam | :-) | 18:05 |
| * zuh would go as far to call it also the last SDK release for 770 | 18:05 | |
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| felipec | Bora is the SDK for N800... Maemo 3.x | 18:10 |
| felipec | gomiam: s/OLAP/OMAP/ | 18:10 |
| omnix | is there a mirror i can use instead of the default repository? | 18:11 |
| gomiam | oops, wrote it from memory | 18:11 |
| claws | can anyone tell me how to change default apps? e.g. in the contacts popup menu, can i change which app is launched by 'New e-mail message'? | 18:12 |
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| disq | how do you feel about a daemon (always running, one http request in each few minutes + sqlite) being written in python? from the speed/memory standpoint i mean | 18:33 |
| Radar | I would like it more if I could get python to install, heh | 18:35 |
| omnix | is there a way for N770 to connect to a wireless upon startup? | 18:36 |
| `0660 | disq, i think it would be an awful waste of memory :) | 18:39 |
| disq | i keep trying to convince myself to that :) | 18:40 |
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| `0660 | what would you do with this daemon? | 18:43 |
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| disq | check for enabledness (gconf), check for net connection, post some data from sqlite to web, update the sqlite fields, loop | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since themes don't seem to be working on the new firmware, what do I need to do to edit to get my 12pt fonts back in one o f the default themes? | 18:48 |
| disq | they don't work? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | As far as I can tell. | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every theme I've tried to install downloads then shows up as 0kb in Application manager | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it throws an error. | 18:49 |
| disq | /usr/share/themes/default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc is the file you want to edit. to create a new theme, copy /usr/share/themes/default dir as "mytheme", edit index.theme to give it a name, edit the gtkrc inside | 18:49 |
| disq | (using mc on ssh helps a lot) | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent, thanks. | 18:49 |
| disq | you might want to not copy the images/ dir inside and symlink it to default theme's images/ instead | 18:50 |
| `0660 | i don't think it matters if you use python as long as the application is important enough for the user :) | 18:50 |
| disq | also you should delete the gtkrc.cache file so it can process the edited file generate a new cache | 18:50 |
| disq | i don't know much about python's memory/cpu usage, especially when it's running in background. if every web request were to spike the cpu i wouldn't want to use it | 18:51 |
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| disq | for foreground apps wasting memory or spiking cpu can be acceptable after all | 18:52 |
| `0660 | i don't think the request causes a spike | 18:54 |
| `0660 | if your program is something new it might be a good idea to write it with python first | 18:55 |
| `0660 | and if it would turn out to be non-optimal, you would always rewrite it with c | 18:56 |
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| disq | well I decided to skip python. I already have some C code for handling sqlite3 etc. also it would take a few hours to get myself acquainted with python and friends, not to mention daemonizing the process and all that | 19:01 |
| Radar | good idea | 19:01 |
| `0660 | true | 19:03 |
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| _Shurik_ | hello tableteers | 19:43 |
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| Blacksitox | heeeya!! | 19:55 |
| _Shurik_ | hello | 19:56 |
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| pupnik_ | are there VOIP providers that can do free calls to USA? | 20:12 |
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| `0660 | like completely free calls to any landline in usa? :) | 20:17 |
| _Shurik_ | voipbuster | 20:18 |
| _Shurik_ | works from PC, but I was never able to make it work from Gizmo for some reason | 20:18 |
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| SeRi | does any body know what is the name of the top and side toolbar in the home screen of OS2007 I am trying to replace them | 20:34 |
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| SeRi | Konttori are you in? | 20:37 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah `0660 | 20:48 |
| pupnik_ | it could be limited to short calls too | 20:48 |
| `0660 | aren't all the providers dirt cheap already? :) | 20:49 |
| pupnik_ | i need to place about 200 calls a day | 20:49 |
| `0660 | hmm | 20:49 |
| `0660 | that's quite a lot :) | 20:50 |
| `0660 | why? | 20:50 |
| pupnik_ | polling | 20:50 |
| pupnik_ | push polling to be precise | 20:50 |
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| `0660 | why? :) | 20:50 |
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| pupnik_ | Well Iowa is holding a straw poll on august 11th, and only 6% of registered Iowan republicans have heard of Ron Paul, but 37% said they'd consider voting for him after they learned about his platform. | 20:51 |
| Radar | oh no, ron paul guerilla marketer! | 20:52 |
| Radar | did I stumble on to digg's IRC channel by accident? :) | 20:52 |
| pupnik_ | The mainstream media is blacklisting him, which pisses me off, so i'm getting involved. | 20:52 |
| `0660 | ok :) | 20:53 |
| Radar | but yeah, the media sucks.. they decide that someone doesn't have a chance, so why cover them | 20:53 |
| `0660 | what makes him different from all the other republican candidates? :) | 20:54 |
| Radar | he's actually a republican, instead of a neo-con? | 20:54 |
| pupnik_ | Anti-interventionist, anti war, anti drug war, strict constitutionalist. | 20:54 |
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| `0660 | anti-everything? :) | 20:55 |
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| Radar | republican was the party for small government, fical-conservatism, etc.. it was taken over by the neo-cons and the religious right | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | Pro Liberty. Pro Rule of Law. Pro Constitution. Pro Privacy. Pro Internet. Pro Economic Freedom. | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | right | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | Oh and a big one - pro states' rights. No federal laws not mandated by the constitution (drug laws, abortion laws etc) | 20:56 |
| Radar | basically it used to be what the libertarians are now, heh | 20:56 |
| pupnik_ | Yep basically | 20:56 |
| Radar | doesn't help when they keep putting up fruitcake candidate like badnarik | 20:57 |
| `0660 | so the states would be free to have their own abortion laws? | 20:57 |
| pupnik_ | He recently drew 1000+ supporters to hear him speak in iowa. 6 Other republican candidates drew only 600. And RP had only one week's advance notice. | 20:57 |
| pupnik_ | Right `0660 | 20:57 |
| Radar | although badnarik endorses ron paul | 20:57 |
| pupnik_ | Radar, basically you have to be a billionaire to run as a 3rd party candidate or independent. | 20:57 |
| soothsayer | He's 71 years old | 20:58 |
| `0660 | how about global warming? would the states be free to decide about that too? | 20:59 |
| Radar | yeah, he's one of the few republicans old enough to remember republicans, heh | 20:59 |
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| pupnik_ | As far as airborne pollution goes, the constitution allows the federal government to regulate it under the Interstate Commerce Clause (as far as I can tell) | 21:00 |
| Radar | that's one of the fun parts of state rights.. you either have to let them have full control or none at all | 21:00 |
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| Radar | personally I think the concepts of "states" are an outdated concept, but until the constitution is changed, they should have full rights | 21:00 |
| Radar | that pesky constitution and all | 21:00 |
| pupnik | I disagree, i think a heterogenous group of social policies allows for competition. | 21:01 |
| Radar | I take it a step further and call countries an outdated concept too.. doesn't matter where you live.. once you get past the nationalistic pride and tradition, there's no point! | 21:02 |
| pupnik | Globalist tyranny will not be stable without complete destruction of human rights. | 21:03 |
| Radar | I am fine with that, as long as I am in charge! | 21:03 |
| pupnik | Monoculture society is as instable as monoculture farming. | 21:03 |
| pupnik | An ecosystem is more resilient | 21:03 |
| Radar | it won't happen until/unless the entire planet comes under threat from an outside force | 21:04 |
| Radar | human nature | 21:04 |
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| Radar | most americans don't really want human rights.. they say they do, but what they really want is for their every need to be taken care of and told what to do | 21:05 |
| Radar | as long as american idol is on, they are happy | 21:05 |
| koos_ | cool he http://kmplayer.garage.maemo.org/flash.png | 21:05 |
| Radar | neat | 21:06 |
| Radar | looks like I have kmplayer back on mine | 21:06 |
| koos_ | only those inline for eg. planet.xxx.org don't work yet (get undefined in the uri's | 21:06 |
| koos_ | Radar: thanks, but wait until released | 21:07 |
| Radar | uktube is what I'm missing mainly right now | 21:07 |
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| `0660 | it comes bundled with ukmp | 21:08 |
| koos_ | I simply implemented an NPP loader and use the default libflash | 21:08 |
| Radar | I can't install ukmp yet, due to python not installing | 21:08 |
| `0660 | strange | 21:12 |
| `0660 | i installed ukmp first and started to wonder about the python only after it did'nt start | 21:13 |
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| `0660 | and then i installed the python from downloads.maemo.org | 21:13 |
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| Markov | pupnik: global tyranny would be stable with minimal human rights (ie/ the right to self-preservation and possibly the preservation of select others) | 21:16 |
| Radar | mine fails because it can't find repository.maemor.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/python* | 21:17 |
| gomiam | maemor.org? | 21:17 |
| gomiam | that's a new one | 21:18 |
| Radar | heh, typo | 21:18 |
| gomiam | :-P | 21:18 |
| Radar | says "Failed to fetch" about 10 files | 21:18 |
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| `0660 | strange | 21:20 |
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| soothsayer | What is the advantage of UKTube exactly? | 21:22 |
| gomiam | soothsayer: actually... little to none | 21:22 |
| gomiam | it downloads videos right | 21:22 |
| Radar | save videos, fullscreen playback, umm.. | 21:22 |
| gomiam | but it won't play them correctly after a while | 21:22 |
| gomiam | :-( | 21:22 |
| gomiam | at least some of them | 21:22 |
| Radar | it was about the only way to actually get youtube videos to play until the latest update | 21:23 |
| gomiam | my diagnostics point to mplayer getting messed with by the different rate in the video stream and the overall container | 21:23 |
| `0660 | it plays the videos a lot faster than the flash plugin at least | 21:23 |
| gomiam | `0660: that's true | 21:24 |
| gomiam | `0660: do you have it installed? | 21:24 |
| `0660 | yesh | 21:24 |
| `0660 | yeah | 21:24 |
| `0660 | came with ukmp | 21:24 |
| gomiam | hold on, I'm going to send you an URL | 21:24 |
| `0660 | which i installed because the default media player couldn't handle id3 tags correctly :) | 21:24 |
| gomiam | http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=q-K8x4x4i68 | 21:24 |
| Radar | hmm.. I have an ncurses-bin installed that is 0k and won't seem to uninstall | 21:25 |
| gomiam | `0660: that video doesn't play correctly for me | 21:25 |
| gomiam | at least not in UKTube | 21:26 |
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| `0660 | seems to be out of sync with me too | 21:27 |
| `0660 | hmm | 21:27 |
| `0660 | actually it is | 21:27 |
| gomiam | yup, it looks like Youtube messed with the container data to drive mplayer nuts | 21:27 |
| `0660 | better check it with pc as well :) | 21:28 |
| gomiam | I've checked it | 21:28 |
| gomiam | The Youtube page plays it right | 21:28 |
| gomiam | so does VideoLAN | 21:28 |
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| gomiam | VirtualDub doesn't even know what to do with it | 21:28 |
| `0660 | yeah | 21:28 |
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| gomiam | and Media Player Classic has the same problems as mplayer | 21:29 |
| gomiam | now, if only I could configure VLC to generate a correct MPG | 21:29 |
| `0660 | well, we'll just have to wait another year for the mplayer codecs to improve :) | 21:30 |
| gomiam | if only there was a way to tell mplayer to ignore the container fps rate | 21:31 |
| gomiam | perhaps I can extract the audio and the video to different files and then mash them up again | 21:31 |
| gomiam | but that's a test for another time. Right now I'm going into the Big Blue Room | 21:32 |
| `0660 | is it so important for you to be able to play that with n800? :) | 21:32 |
| gomiam | `0660: well, it's easier to carry around than my laptop | 21:32 |
| `0660 | so you need to carry that clip around with you? :) | 21:33 |
| gomiam | it's not like I will drop and die if I don't carry those clips | 21:33 |
| gomiam | but it makes for a nice ice breaker with some gals :-P | 21:33 |
| `0660 | :) | 21:33 |
| gomiam | ttyl | 21:34 |
| gomiam | bye | 21:34 |
| pupnik | i have found that also | 21:36 |
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| Biagi | http://biagi.miniville.fr/sec | 21:40 |
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| cy- | So did we ever end up getting a new firmware update? | 22:23 |
| gla55_ | couple of days ago | 22:24 |
| cy- | doooope | 22:25 |
| cy- | does it include Skype ? | 22:25 |
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| cy- | "video and flash performance and quality" | 22:25 |
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| cy- | so can we watch youtube yet? :P | 22:25 |
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| cy- | Uhhh | 22:25 |
| cy- | v. 3.2007.10-7 | 22:26 |
| cy- | hmmm, I thought that's what I was running already | 22:26 |
| cy- | (I don't have my n800 handy, it's upstairs charging) | 22:26 |
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| gla55_ | cy: apparently youtube is okayish once it has finished loading | 22:31 |
| gla55_ | i don't have a n800 myself.. | 22:31 |
| cy- | I'm checking out the internettablettalk forums right now and I don't see anything indicating a new firmware update | 22:32 |
| cy- | or any "reviews" on the new update if you will | 22:32 |
| cy- | Heh | 22:32 |
| gla55_ | http://tabletblog.com/ | 22:32 |
| gla55_ | theres most of the beef there | 22:33 |
| cy- | Thanks man | 22:33 |
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| milhouse | cy - plenty of threads on ITT discussing the new firmware! ;) quite a few problems, probably best not to restore a backup and it has a tendency to self harm SD cards :( | 22:41 |
| cy- | oh man | 22:43 |
| cy- | :( | 22:43 |
| cy- | Bummer | 22:43 |
| cy- | I still want some Flash9 action though :P | 22:43 |
| cy- | I could care less about skype, I need a real SIP/IAX2 client. Grrr | 22:43 |
| milhouse | I think it's OK as long as you don't restore a bakcup (this cocks up existing themes) and you may want to pull any precious SD/SDHC cards until Nokia explain what the fck is going on with cards dieing | 22:44 |
| milhouse | Opera seems a bit flackier than usual, often crashes on youtube... some users report problems accessing certain sites. | 22:44 |
| cy- | ugh | 22:46 |
| cy- | well, I'll probably flash it tonight then I guess | 22:46 |
| cy- | Might as well | 22:46 |
| cy- | And I won't be restoring a backup, so that's fine | 22:46 |
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| ttuttle | Hey, how's Hacker? | 22:55 |
| pupnik | i'm doing well, thank you | 22:58 |
| ttuttle | lol | 22:59 |
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| suihkulokki | milhouse: afaik the SDHC code is same as in the unofficial SDHC kernel images people built before.. did people have problems with them? | 23:03 |
| milhouse | not to this extent | 23:04 |
| milhouse | that could be due to more people now using SDHC cards (who refused or didn't want to patch their old system) but some who (such as me) who had no problems with the old patch have been bit by the new code | 23:05 |
| milhouse | the old patch was solid with no problems, the new code less so | 23:05 |
| milhouse | according to fanoush on the mailing list, nokia have capped the MMC clock in the upgrade to 24MHz (the 3.2007 patch went as high as 48Mhz) in order to circumvent the filesystem corruption, but it doesn't seem to have helped so i wonder if they tweaked something else as well? | 23:06 |
| milhouse | quite a few people now have dead - as in usuable on any platform - cards following the upgrade | 23:07 |
| milhouse | s/uusuable/unusable/ | 23:07 |
| milhouse | Nokia need to step in and explain soon as this is potentially hitting people in the pocket | 23:08 |
| sambo357 | Question: Can anyone recommend a good bluetooth keyboard? | 23:09 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: /me stares at the lack of firmware for his 770... | 23:09 |
| milhouse | that's on it's way - nokia have said so... | 23:10 |
| milhouse | http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html | 23:10 |
| milhouse | no idea "when", of course | 23:10 |
| ericz_ | ttuttle, looks like we got 770s right as they're starting to go unsupported | 23:12 |
| milhouse | that happened back in january! | 23:12 |
| ericz_ | doh | 23:13 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Yes, I sorta knew about it, but I bought it anyway. | 23:13 |
| milhouse | "unsupported" in the sense of no further official, supported firmware but there will be ongoing unofficial firmware - since you got very little official software support from Nokia anyway I see this makes no big difference as long as the unofficial software materialises | 23:13 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: It's more of the fact that I'd like them to let someone spend the few hours per release it would take to compile things for the 770 too. | 23:14 |
| milhouse | i think they're going to try and do that | 23:14 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Besides, the effort they put in to keeping these two platforms running at once will benefit them, becase when they come out with the N900, and the N1000, and whatever comes nexet, it'll be more modular. | 23:14 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Er, where is 2007 for 770 then? Hacker doesn't count, because it's not supported. | 23:14 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: I mean, I appreciate their effort, but it's not being maintained in a very elegant way. It's more like patchwork. | 23:15 |
| milhouse | ok answer me this - what happened when you had a software problem with OS 2006? | 23:15 |
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| ttuttle | milhouse: Dunno, I flashed to 2007 Hacker right after I got it ;-) | 23:15 |
| milhouse | did you phone nokia support and get any assitance? | 23:15 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: I've considered it. | 23:15 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: (Just to make a point.) | 23:15 |
| milhouse | you'd be wasting your time :) | 23:15 |
| milhouse | which is why there will be little difference between OS 2006 and OS 2007 HE in terms of support | 23:15 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Okay. | 23:16 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: That's a decent argument. | 23:16 |
| milhouse | there may be less QA performed on OS 2007 HE, but we'll have to see how that pans out | 23:16 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: But there are some things that can't be easily glued together. Skype, for example. | 23:16 |
| ericz_ | im too nervous to flash my 770 ;/ even if it is nokia-supported firmware | 23:16 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Oh, just do it. | 23:16 |
| ericz_ | haha | 23:16 |
| milhouse | Due to the more limited hardware capabilities of the 770, and in some cases due to licensing issues (Opera + Flash) Nokia have stated that some software won't be available | 23:17 |
| ericz_ | this works well enough though | 23:17 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Mmm, someone at Maemo should get Minimo working well. | 23:17 |
| milhouse | the main thing is to get OS 2007 on 770 so that it's compatible with the majority of community software | 23:17 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: I'd probably forgive them if they gave us the Skype codec, as that would mean they're willing to backport things if needed. | 23:18 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Of course, licensing is another thing, | 23:18 |
| milhouse | That would be down to Skype to support the old CPU in the 770 - if they've used floating point in their codec for instance, you've got practically no chance of Skype appearing on 770 (it has no floating point hardware) | 23:18 |
| milhouse | I think with Skype on 770 the attitude may be "if it works then bonus, but if not we did warn you" | 23:19 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: I heard the same problem with Ogg support on one of my old iRiver players. It took 'em a while, but they developed a fixed-point Ogg codec. | 23:20 |
| milhouse | right, but that's someone doing it in their own free time - who will pay Skype to do it? | 23:20 |
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| ericz_ | ogg is more open than skype | 23:20 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Er, that wasn't. It was iRiver. | 23:20 |
| ericz_ | ...by far | 23:20 |
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| ttuttle | milhouse: It was the same kind of situation. They were just barely supporting an old product, and they had come out with a killer feature (Ogg support) for a newer device, and everyone wanted it. So they went to the effort to backport it. | 23:21 |
| milhouse | ttuttle: fair enough, that was their decision to support their hardware. Skype have no real need or interest in supporting the 770 | 23:21 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Mmm, but isn't it to Skype's advantage to have more users? | 23:22 |
| milhouse | a few more thousand for how much work? | 23:22 |
| suihkulokki | The lovely propiertary software everyone wants... | 23:22 |
| ericz_ | how many users do they gain by supporting the 770..really? | 23:22 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: I don't know. But iRiver got *no* benefit from it, besides goodwill. | 23:22 |
| milhouse | if it works straight off the bat then I think you'll see Skype on 770, but if it requires a rewrite or lots of redevelopment forget it | 23:22 |
| milhouse | only time will tell :) | 23:23 |
| milhouse | i wouldn't rule it out, but don't bank on it - which is what Nokia are saying in the link above | 23:23 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Even text chat or a crappy codec would be nice. | 23:23 |
| suihkulokki | flash9 is also much bigger than (6MB vs 2MB flash7) so it will unlikely do anything good for the 770 browsing experience | 23:23 |
| ttuttle | They should sell a FPU for the 770 ;-) | 23:24 |
| milhouse | Watching a YouTube video with Flash 9 on my N800 consumes ~85% CPU... I doubt it would work on a 770 even assuming it doesn't use floating point | 23:24 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: It doesn't work. | 23:25 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: I tried it with some other video, and it just chokes. | 23:25 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: About 1/2 sec of video every 2-3 sec. | 23:25 |
| milhouse | Ttutle: Flash 7 on 770 or Flash 9 on N800? | 23:25 |
| suihkulokki | ttuttle: remember 387 :) | 23:26 |
| ttuttle | milhouse: Flash 7 (I think) on 770. | 23:26 |
| ttuttle | suihkulokki: Yeah, exactly ;-) | 23:26 |
| milhouse | yeah, youtube does not play well on 770 - flash on 770 is only good for adverts, maybe the odd game | 23:26 |
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| samiam010203 | for the 770 and youtube, check this out http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 23:31 |
| samiam010203 | i use it all the time and it works well | 23:32 |
| omnix | has anyone had problems with the maemo bluetooth plugin? | 23:36 |
| omnix | my 770 keeps rebooting after pairing with my bt keyboard | 23:36 |
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| XCOM7 | does any body know what is the name of the top and side toolbar in the home screen of OS2007 I am trying to replace them | 23:46 |
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| milhouse | Top is the Status Bar | 23:48 |
| SeRi | any body? | 23:48 |
| SeRi | hey milhouse | 23:48 |
| milhouse | Left is the Navigation bar, I think | 23:48 |
| milhouse | hi | 23:48 |
| milhouse | or possibly Task Bar | 23:48 |
| SeRi | Mhhhh let me see | 23:49 |
| milhouse | oh, if you want programatic names - I've no idea! :) | 23:49 |
| SeRi | I am SeRiAlDiE at internettablttalk | 23:49 |
| SeRi | :) | 23:49 |
| milhouse | hello there :) | 23:50 |
| SeRi | hey... :) | 23:50 |
| SeRi | Trying to customize my theme :) | 23:51 |
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| SeRi | Milhouse | 23:53 |
| SeRi | qgn_plat_home_status_bar_background.png | 23:53 |
| SeRi | Thats the one for the top? | 23:53 |
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| milhouse | i would say "yes" | 23:54 |
| SeRi | there si several ones so I am going to reca all with status bar | 23:55 |
| SeRi | replace* | 23:55 |
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