| ttuttle_ | Sho_: That would have been fine. If Nokia did, we could keep maintaining it, and perhaps even come up with a platform that covers multiple devices. | 00:00 |
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| suihkulokki | It's called crapitalism | 00:00 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: How? (I'm curious.) | 00:00 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: "somewhere along the way", "people got used to m$'s bullshit", "software industry seemed to exempt themselves". | 00:00 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: well, first you go to a lawyer, and ask them. | 00:00 |
| suihkulokki | people want cheapes stuff and get what they pay for | 00:00 |
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| ttuttle_ | Spec: Mind you, I'm going to college soon so I likely won't have the resources for it. | 00:00 |
| Spec | second. "...." | 00:00 |
| Spec | third: profit | 00:00 |
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| ttuttle_ | suihkulokki: Yes, but... if I sell you a $5000 car that stalls every 10 miles, you could sue me because it's a lemon. Just 'cause it's cheap doesn't mean it can fail to do what it's supposed to. | 00:01 |
| Spec | if the company doesn't provide support for a product anymore, the hardware specs should be forced open. by magic. | 00:01 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: Um... | 00:01 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: I should find some feature they advertised, and didn't implement fully or well, and complain about that. | 00:01 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle_: Isn't this moot anyway because Nokias has actually continued to provide software with the Hacker Edition? | 00:01 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: I'll tell them I want a free N800 ;-) | 00:01 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: No, it's not. | 00:01 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: Hacker Edition is a joke. | 00:01 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: tell me if it works ^.^ | 00:01 |
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| Sho_ | In any case, I was perfectly able to expect as much and avoid buying an N770 and wait for the matured, second-gen N800 product | 00:02 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: It works, but it's not real support. | 00:02 |
| suihkulokki | ttuttle_: would you honestly commit yourself to maintaining a real open source edition for 770 if you had the specs? | 00:03 |
| ttuttle_ | suihkulokki: Not entirely myself, but I'd contribute. | 00:03 |
| Sho_ | Seems to me that time would be better spent getting a job and buying an N800 .. | 00:03 |
| suihkulokki | ...because pretty much everything on the hardware is already accessible | 00:03 |
| ttuttle_ | suihkulokki: What matters is that there is a horde of Maemo developers who would love to hack on the *entire* system, but can't, because Nokia won't release it. At the same time, Nokia won't fix their own bugs. | 00:03 |
| ttuttle_ | suihkulokki: What about those ASIC's that Nokia hasn't actually released documentation for? | 00:04 |
| suihkulokki | ttuttle_: actually the hardware is more documented than your average PC | 00:05 |
| ttuttle_ | suihkulokki: Good. Where is it? | 00:05 |
| suihkulokki | ..kernel sources | 00:06 |
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| Spec | is the cx3110x open? | 00:09 |
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| keesj | Spec: I see there is a garage page for it , but I think it still required some fireware | 00:14 |
| Spec | yeap | 00:14 |
| Spec | it was a rhetorical(sp?) question | 00:14 |
| Spec | directed at suihkulokki | 00:14 |
| Spec | it's burrito time. | 00:15 |
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| egsavage | Q: I have os2007-HE on a 770... Anybody ever see any issue where they can't remove files on the removable mem card? It will not let me do it, even though I can download a file and store it on the card. BTW, this is with the file manager... It says "Operation failed". | 00:33 |
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| pupnik | mmm no | 00:34 |
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| egsavage | I brought up an xterm and was able to remove the file with 'rm' fine though... So, it's not a permission problem it seems. Unless the userid differs from the File Manager to the shell in the xterm... hmm | 00:36 |
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| keesj | do people really use the tables in different languages? | 00:38 |
| keesj | probabely not the best place to ask... | 00:38 |
| Spec | tables or tablets? | 00:43 |
| keesj | tablets, | 00:44 |
| keesj | booting with MMC(4G) as root device works like a charm | 00:46 |
| keesj | hmm , I do get an "Unable to open storage location" in opera | 00:48 |
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| egsavage | speaking of MMC, I'm trying to figure out what card to buy... I guess the hardware limitation for an MMC card for a 770 is 2GB, is that correct? I see the new OS2007 for the N800 now supports 8GB cards (but probably not RS-MMC) | 01:02 |
| bstock_ | hey anyone notice significant battery life decrease when flashing 2006.3 on n770? | 01:02 |
| BrianRice | not yet, but i've only done it this morning | 01:03 |
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| bstock_ | i did it a few weeks ago and since, i can't go 24 hours without it dieing even if i have case closed the whole time | 01:04 |
| bstock_ | the screen goes blank like normal | 01:04 |
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| ||cw | bstock: mine seems fine | 01:06 |
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| bstock_ | hmm | 01:13 |
| bstock_ | could rnd mode kill it faster? | 01:13 |
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| eugene | morning | 01:25 |
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| eugene | bstock_: well, you can always close all the apps you run, turn off wireless, make sure that your screen is locked, etc. | 01:26 |
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| eugene | bstock_: remove applets that poll, like cpu status, etc. | 01:26 |
| bstock_ | hmm i did install the cpu monitor app | 01:27 |
| bstock_ | wonder if that's killing it... though i've had it running before i reflashed and it seemed ok | 01:27 |
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| gpd | anyone else get 'no route to host' on first ssh attempt, then connect on second: consistently | 01:40 |
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| Charbax | Does youtube work with the new firmware? | 01:41 |
| jpt9 | hey inz -- is there any way to play solo (in sgt-puzzles) with the touchscreen? (as in without a bt kbd) | 01:41 |
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| jpt9 | hey | 01:44 |
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| jpt9 | lol... | 01:45 |
| Charbax | anyone checked if Youtube now works on the N800? | 01:46 |
| Charbax | or is it still choppy? | 01:46 |
| * jpt9 doesn't have an n800, you insensitive clod :-) | 01:46 | |
| Charbax | I haven't eigther | 01:47 |
| zeenix | poor guys :) | 01:47 |
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| Charbax | I got Archos instead | 01:47 |
| Charbax | unhackable but does multimedia and flash video well | 01:48 |
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| eugene | is divx playable on the device? | 01:55 |
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| BrianRice | eugene: mplayer runs on it | 01:57 |
| eugene | BrianRice: that is, if i install mplayer? which repository did u get your mplayer? | 01:58 |
| eugene | is it choppy? | 01:58 |
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| zeenix | robtaylor: isn't coherence supposed to shutdown gracefully on ^c ? | 02:00 |
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| Charbax | I suppose DivX and Flash video is choppy on the N800 even with the new firmware | 02:12 |
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| eichi | on n800 is there a way to chance between intern and extern sd card, pluging the n800 with usb to the pc? | 02:22 |
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| Radar3D | there, several hours later, almost back to where I was this morning before the update | 03:06 |
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| Charbax | ok so youtube is not smooth with the update according to tablet man | 03:47 |
| Charbax | tabletblog.com | 03:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Let it finish loading | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fine after that. | 03:49 |
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| eugene | Charbax: i am trying youtube and i think it's very smooth :) | 03:52 |
| eugene | check out one man band video :) | 03:52 |
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| eugene | he's so good :) | 03:56 |
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| Charbax | eugene are you sure? | 04:00 |
| Charbax | tabletblog.com says it's only smooth once the video has completely downloaded | 04:00 |
| Charbax | How about playing the video in full screen, and how about video.google.com or dailymotion.com ? | 04:01 |
| eugene | Charbax: well, it's choppy on any system if the network connection is slow. | 04:01 |
| eugene | i try video.google.com now | 04:02 |
| eugene | gee ms hilton, couple making out, etc. what videos are these at video.google.com | 04:03 |
| * eugene shakes head | 04:03 | |
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| Charbax | you can search for something else like Al Gore or OLPC if you don't like britney hilton | 04:05 |
| Charbax | I'm wondering if video support is better, flash and other codecs | 04:06 |
| Charbax | Or have full sized DivX with b-frames and AC3 sound always worked in mplayer or something? | 04:06 |
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| OgMaciel | hey... anyone know how to listen to oggs in the N800? | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like there's a library in a repository somewhere. | 04:08 |
| eugene | haha i'm addicted to one man band video | 04:08 |
| eugene | Charbax: ok it;s choppy when it's downloadng | 04:08 |
| eugene | Charbax: but it's fine after you got the whole video. i think that's normal | 04:09 |
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| eugene | actually i guess it really depends on users experience | 04:10 |
| eugene | i find it ok, but you might have a different opinion ;) | 04:10 |
| OgMaciel | GeneralAntilles: I have installed a Ogg Support package but the mediastreamer and canola don't seem to be using it | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | No idea, then. | 04:12 |
| eugene | canola, i haven't try that. i am going to try now :) | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish Nokia would include 12pt themes by default. | 04:13 |
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| OgMaciel | eugene: :) | 04:15 |
| Charbax | I just wanted to know how youtube experience is compared with the Archos 605 WiFi http://www.archoslounge.net/5G-le-605-en-video.html | 04:16 |
| Charbax | cause Archos plays them instantly smoothly in full screen | 04:16 |
| eugene | OgMaciel: :) | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Archos is a media player | 04:17 |
| eugene | 3.70mb in 10 secs :) | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want a media player, buy an Archos | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like having a shell in my pocket wherever I go. | 04:17 |
| Charbax | but it's great if Nokia could improve it a bit, with chance one day youtube will be totally smooth | 04:17 |
| Charbax | I think Nokia should include HSDPA and not be afraid to compete with their own N95 and other HSDPA phones | 04:17 |
| eugene | GeneralAntilles: i like the fmplayer bit ;) | 04:18 |
| Charbax | and Multimedia support should be better, also offer hard disk versions | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to see impressive mobile YouTube playback, get yourself an iPhone | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Charbax: no, and no | 04:18 |
| Charbax | iPhone doesn't support Youtube | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | HSDPA will just suck the battery down | 04:18 |
| Charbax | only re-encoded h264 youtube | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still YouTube | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | hard disks are still too big and too power hungry | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash is where it's at for mobile storage, anyway. | 04:19 |
| Charbax | it's only a few thousand videos from youtube, flash video support is better, and there isn't only youtube with videos on the internet | 04:19 |
| eugene | canola don't have chinese fonts!!! | 04:19 |
| eugene | so it looks really ugly here :/ | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Learn a real language. ;) | 04:19 |
| Charbax | well if Nokia can put HSDPA in the N95 then why not the N800 | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | BATTERY LIFE | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why put it in the Nokia, anyway? | 04:20 |
| Charbax | N95 has bad battery life? | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I already carry around a cellphone | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has HSDPA | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth tether works perfectly. | 04:20 |
| Charbax | pocket tablet should replace cellphones with VOIP and IM | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | :| | 04:20 |
| eugene | how do i take screenshot within canola :) | 04:20 |
| Charbax | but Nokia and carriers probably don't want that to happen | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | _I_ don't want that to happen | 04:20 |
| Charbax | So I got to count on smaller companies like Archos to release a VOIP 605 with built-in HSDPA | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't get HSDPA without a carrier | 04:21 |
| Charbax | smaller carriers | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the infrastructure to distribute HSDPA? | 04:21 |
| Charbax | Nokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unlikely | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's so hard about carrying a phone with you? | 04:21 |
| Charbax | For example N61 is different in USA | 04:21 |
| Charbax | E61 | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 sucks to talk on | 04:22 |
| Charbax | bluetooth headset with N800 then, or basic headset | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I've got to have a bluetooth headset | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to carry that shit around with me everywhere I go | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The device convergence idea has already been pretty solidly shot out of the water. | 04:23 |
| eugene | wow. canola rocks :) | 04:23 |
| Charbax | also a bluetooth watch with shortcut buttons and little display | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a lot of times where I don't want to carry around the N800 with me | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I carry my super-slim Samsung A717 | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | eugene: Yes, it really is a great media player. | 04:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Shit, why can't I install NuvoPearl? | 04:24 |
| Charbax | yeah but super slim phones aren't as good for VOIP and certainly not for internet access and multimedia | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The default themes are so ugly. | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works great for me | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | HSPDA | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use my N800 for browsing | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The phone is for voice and data | 04:24 |
| Charbax | you can easilly use your phone as the bluetooth HSDPA modem for your N800? | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works perfectly | 04:25 |
| Charbax | ok that's cool | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have it idle 10-hours a day at work | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | For AIM, etc. | 04:25 |
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| Charbax | but I still think HSDPA should be in a N800 version | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I still don't | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's pointless | 04:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why add $50-$100 to the cost to decrease battery life when you can just use your phone? | 04:26 |
| eugene | GeneralAntilles: yeah ;) | 04:26 |
| Charbax | I asked the Nokia people at CES they told me they would but it's a carrier deal problem | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | :\ | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like the people at CES _really_ know what they're talking about | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, more likely, they're just laying the blame elsewhere | 04:26 |
| Charbax | You could have a physical HSDPA switch on the side to force the HSDPA not to try and ping and use power | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | If we see any large-range data option in the N800, it'll be Wimax | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 04:27 |
| Charbax | It was the N800 product manager I interviewed at CES | 04:27 |
| eugene | found a bug in canola | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | A switch? | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll only confuse novice users | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still doesn't solve the cost issue | 04:27 |
| eugene | sigh | 04:27 |
| Charbax | http://ces2007.video-blog.eu/nokia-n800/ | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cellular radios are expensive | 04:28 |
| eugene | u can choose the next song, but when u go back to the previous song, it can't find the song to play :) | 04:28 |
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| Charbax | WiMax would be cool, but HSDPA is available now | 04:28 |
| Charbax | here in Denmark we get 10GB on HSDPA for 30€ per month | 04:28 |
| Charbax | 30 euros | 04:28 |
| eugene | is there an equalizer ? | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the time we get to the next hardware refresh, Wimax will be gaining ground. | 04:29 |
| Charbax | I hope so, but it's been a couple of years I've heard people at conferences say that Mobile WiMax would come soon | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can't possibly be going into the next hardware refresh, because stuff like that takes time to test and develop | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | RADIOS are expensive | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've said nothing of plans. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd suck having to buy separate plans for both my N800 and my phone. | 04:30 |
| Charbax | Nokia has the ressources to do HSDPA in N800 type device. If they don't it's purely cause they are a little bit evil, or because the telcos told Nokia not to | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's because it's a stupid idea. | 04:30 |
| Charbax | Nokia is like one of the largest companies in the world, so it's not a problem of ressources | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Large or not, it doesn't make scare resources cost less. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3g radios are scare resources | 04:31 |
| Charbax | They can have a version with HSDPA and a version without, Just as they got a E61 with WiFi and another without Wifi | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | *scarce 2x | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Economies of scale are already weak on a device like the N800 | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to divide the production in half and make it worse? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I _can_ afford a $300-400 | 04:32 |
| Charbax | Nokia is investing everything in making phones into pocket computers | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I CANNOT afford a $500-$700 device | 04:32 |
| Charbax | So N800 type technology is a big thing for future of Nokia | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe I have to stick with this crappy built-in theme | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | What could they possibly have changed to break the theme framework | 04:33 |
| Charbax | They could market an iPhone killer that is a N800 with free VOIP calling on Skype, SIP, Gtalk and such. No voice and SMS plans everything over wireless broadband. That would kill iPhone | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullshit | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anything marketed as an iPhone killer is doomed to die itself. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you used an iPhone? | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple has really dropped a bombshell on the cellular market | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot to be said for multitouch | 04:34 |
| Charbax | nope but I cannot see the iPhone as anything revolutionary, on the opposite | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interface is lightyears ahead of anything else on the market | 04:34 |
| Charbax | iPhone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't possibly understand until you've used it. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who cares about the hardware | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware prices will go down and technology will go up as soon as we hit the next generation | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interface is where it's at. | 04:35 |
| Charbax | the iPhone touchscreen isn't as good as people are made to think | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's so much easier to use than any other cellular device I've ever laid hands on. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I HAVE one | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's AWESOME | 04:35 |
| Charbax | I've seen people having trouble clicking on things and scrolling with the iPhone | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had trouble at first because I tried to use it like the N800 touchscreen, with my fingernail | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | --doesn't work well | 04:36 |
| Charbax | you have an iPhone? | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But when you use it full-fingered the magic happens | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's in the family | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's my mother's phone | 04:36 |
| Charbax | 2000 dollar phone isn't it | 04:36 |
| eugene | canola doesn't integrate with the fm player :/ | 04:36 |
| ericz_ | try 500 | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with all the iPhone hate, anyway? | 04:37 |
| Charbax | transitions and smooth scrolling that makes an interface lightyears ahead? | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | More competition in the cellular market can only be a GOOD THING for us as consumers. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 04:38 |
| Charbax | What if those menu transitions/animations weren't the best actual way to do better usabillity on pocket device? | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Multitouch | 04:38 |
| Charbax | multitouch is really that usefull? | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Menu transitions have nothing to do with it. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you used one? | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 04:38 |
| Charbax | I think normal interface would be more usable for zooming than multitouch | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's so much more fluid | 04:39 |
| Charbax | no I'm in Denmark, we don't go mad over Apple products over here | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap on the phone icon, finger scroll to a contact, tap send | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | incredibly fluid | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | nothing like the jerky finger scrolling on the N800 | 04:40 |
| Charbax | fluid hmm.. really well I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure. But from what I see the iPhone interface is just a bunch of animations and flashy transitions | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "see" | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the problem | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You haven't used it | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you have no basis with which to form an opinion | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | wait until you get to use one | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | softbuttons and d-pads are a thing of the past | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, the one really cool thing that Nokia could fairly easily pull from the iPhone is inertia scrolling | 04:41 |
| Charbax | so yeah Apple might have got a new type of multitouch touchscreen out of their billion dollar R&D, but that's not in my opinion in itself able to revolutionize the technology | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I flick a page on the iPhone, the page will behave as if it has inertia and continue to scroll for a little while. | 04:41 |
| Charbax | hardware scroll buttons on the side of the touch-screen probably is more productive than the apple touchscreen effects | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Imagine being able to scroll through dozen-page websites on the N800 with a single flick? | 04:42 |
| ericz_ | iPhones only AT&T (for now), right? | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Again, you haven't used it. (I hate to keep bringing this up, but it's particularly relavent in the case of an interface) | 04:42 |
| Charbax | well I have seen people say that browsing isn't that smooth even using WiFi on the iPhone | 04:42 |
| Charbax | it renders pages slowly just like google maps for one | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ericz_, yes AT&T for now | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ericz_, wait until the next hardware revision. | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google maps aren't any slower than in a regular browser | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Multitouch really shines there. | 04:44 |
| ericz_ | really waiting for a price drop :P | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The competition'll kick in whenever the next revision comes out | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | More carriers will have it | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | so they'll have incentive to give price breaks | 04:44 |
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| Charbax | att has 5 year exclusivity, price won't drop | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Charbax, it seems like you take issue with people that think the iPhone is a gift from god, and you have a dislike of Apple in general more than anything really concrete with the device itself. | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do they now? | 04:46 |
| Charbax | a basic zooming scaler probably works better than multitouch.. it's just a WOW effect but better usabillity is not achieved by it | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you keep saying | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But can you pan around like you can with the iPhone? | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 04:46 |
| Charbax | panning around works on N800 and Archos doesn't it | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not while zooming | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fluidity | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what shines on the iPhone | 04:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not a goddamn chore to get to everything like on most cellphones (and the N800 at times, though I do love it so ;)). | 04:47 |
| Charbax | hardware buttons next to the screen would provide better usabillity for zooming I think | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hypothetical | 04:48 |
| Charbax | well the Archos 605 WiFi is out next week over here in Europe so I'll be able to test that | 04:48 |
| Charbax | I'm sure browsing experience with full Javascripts and full Flash support on a 800x480 4" screen is a better browsing experience than on the iPhone | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I agree | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | iPhone is no N800 competition | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is no such thing as N800 competition right now. | 04:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unless Nokia plans on doing something drastic, I will buy (and have bought) every hardware revision of the IT line that comes out. | 04:50 |
| Charbax | I'm looking forward to the N900 WiFi+HSDPA+WiMax VOIP with 160GB hdd | 04:51 |
| Charbax | and full DivX playback/recording | 04:51 |
| Charbax | If Nokia don't do it then Archos will | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 160GB? | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not happening | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash tech is getting better everyday | 04:52 |
| Charbax | Archos 605 is up to 160GB | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's also thick as hell | 04:52 |
| Charbax | but HDD provides 10x the capacity for the same price as flash | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in the next few years | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | HD development is creeping to a hault | 04:52 |
| Charbax | and a 1.8" HDD is not taking up much space and weight | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash is just beginning to take off. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Battery power | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | again | 04:53 |
| Charbax | Archos supports HD resolution video, up to 720p, so multimedia files are getting bigger | 04:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody else been successful in getting any of the NuvoThemes to install? | 04:53 |
| Charbax | also there are HD camcorders now, you need HDD to store those videos | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the resolution of the Archos? | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 320x*? | 04:54 |
| Charbax | 1280x720 | 04:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 605? | 04:54 |
| Charbax | yup | 04:54 |
| Charbax | playback and 640x480 encoding still | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullshit | 04:54 |
| Charbax | It's true hehe | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Display: High resolution screen, 800x480 pixels, 4.3'' TFT LCD, 16 million colors | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Touch screen | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right from Archos website | 04:54 |
| Charbax | http://cebitvideo.com/images/IMG_0354-sm-comp.JPG | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | LCD resolution | 04:55 |
| Charbax | yup I'm talking about video playback resolution | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not video playback | 04:55 |
| Charbax | It's got Component and HDMI output with the correct docking accessories | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no advantage to playing downsampling videos | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a media device | 04:55 |
| Charbax | yup output to a HDTV at your friends place | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | All their processing power is dedicated to being able to play video | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't fullfil my needs for an SSH tunnel and a webbrowser | 04:56 |
| Charbax | downsampling is very important feature, you can then watch all the HD content without re-encoding a portable version | 04:56 |
| Charbax | Archos is using Texas Instruments just like Nokia in the N800 | 04:56 |
| Charbax | difference is Archos TI chip is more powerfull DSP | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | When is Nokia gonna get the hell of their collective asses and release some drivers for the PowerVR | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would work wonders for the N800 | 04:57 |
| Charbax | what is PowerVR? | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 3d accelerator on the TI chip in the N800 | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as in the Dell Axims | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We could conceivably run Quake 3 with that chip. | 04:58 |
| Charbax | TI makes the best chips, on the N900 Nokia should use one chip like in the Archos with a better multimedia inpout/output support | 04:58 |
| Charbax | Linux apps wouldn't need to suffer from it | 04:59 |
| Charbax | cause TI is a dual-core ARM and DSP in one | 04:59 |
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| gomiam | hi again. | 05:10 |
| gomiam | has anyone checked whether HTop works? | 05:10 |
| gomiam | for it won't start for me. | 05:10 |
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| edt | is there a working .deb to add ogg support to mediaplayer? | 05:23 |
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| edt | the one refed in garage does not work | 05:24 |
| edt | this is with the latest firmware on n800 | 05:24 |
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| eugene | gomiam: what's htop | 05:56 |
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| gomiam | eugene: HTop is a graphical top | 06:01 |
| eugene | oh.. | 06:01 |
| gomiam | or that's what the advertisement says :-) | 06:01 |
| eugene | :) | 06:01 |
| eugene | i'm still writing my first post to my blog heh | 06:01 |
| gomiam | :-D | 06:02 |
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| gomiam | am I the only one finding bugs in the Youtube video? | 06:15 |
| gomiam | it¡s annoying: some videos state an original fps of 1000 | 06:15 |
| gomiam | :-( | 06:15 |
| gomiam | and I can't find a way to ignore that. | 06:15 |
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| rhys | so im on in xchat on the new firmware. tried skype, works great. | 06:19 |
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| gomiam | /jion #mplayer | 06:27 |
| jacques | hmm | 06:28 |
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| locokaizo | I tried UKtube and now there's a UKMP dark icon on the task bar that won't go away even after restart | 06:40 |
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| locokaizo | I can open it, but it's just a blank dark screen | 06:41 |
| locokaizo | other than that, my 770 seems to be fine | 06:41 |
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| locokaizo | I was going to in install task manager, but I can find their home page | 06:42 |
| locokaizo | anyone know their hompage or another solution to try? | 06:42 |
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| gnuite | Is anyone else having trouble with xephyr crashing when run with maemo 3.2? | 07:05 |
| gnuite | during the "af-sb-init.sh start" command... | 07:06 |
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| NeoStrider_ | hello folks! | 07:09 |
| gnuite | I guess I shouldn't have upgraded to maemo 3.2.... :/ | 07:11 |
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| NeoStrider_ | why, gnuite? | 07:22 |
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| danilo_ | Please, someone can give-me the MD5 key of the new N800's image? And I dont know if I'm having this problems because of problems with download, or if it is a device problem... | 08:04 |
| danilo_ | my MD5 is e6643b4b14698759b5df4fa3a626dfc8 RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 08:05 |
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| dolske | danilo_: MD5 (RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin) = e6643b4b14698759b5df4fa3a626dfc8 | 08:08 |
| dolske | flashed it last night and it's working for me. | 08:09 |
| rwhitby | danilo_: the md5sum is in the MD5SUMS file at the same place where you get the image | 08:09 |
| danilo_ | Yes.... I re-flash it now, and its working.... | 08:09 |
| xruxa | e6643b4b14698759b5df4fa3a626dfc8 RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 08:09 |
| danilo_ | I dont know why, but I flash my N800 some hours ago and everthing stop. It dont has sound, was slow... But i reflash it now, and its working Ok... | 08:10 |
| danilo_ | Ow!!! Skype is beatiful... and fast..... lol! | 08:12 |
| danilo_ | It was a funny problem. Re-flash the device solve it. | 08:13 |
| danilo_ | Thanks guys! | 08:13 |
| thoughtfix-away | Hiiii! | 08:13 |
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| eugene | thoughtfix-away: hello | 08:13 |
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| thoughtfix | What's new? | 08:14 |
| eugene | thoughtfix: i got kprobes working on n800. | 08:14 |
| danilo_ | What's new?!?!? N800 ROX! lol! =) | 08:14 |
| eugene | this is going to be interesting :) | 08:14 |
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| thoughtfix | Neat | 08:27 |
| thoughtfix | I am exporting my latest video | 08:27 |
| thoughtfix | N800 YouTube and Orb again | 08:28 |
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| sri | hi there.. | 08:33 |
| sri | so, I'm trying to get my N800 reflashed because it seems to have this problem of constantly rebooting. | 08:34 |
| sri | I was here a couple of weeks ago and someone gave me some advice about reflashing it. | 08:34 |
| sri | but I can't seem to even get usb connection to it. | 08:34 |
| sri | any suggestions? | 08:34 |
| xruxa | what does it say? Using Windows flasher or linux? | 08:35 |
| sri | linux flasher. | 08:35 |
| xruxa | so what does it say? ;) | 08:35 |
| sri | actually, let me look at the docs again.. | 08:35 |
| thoughtfix | 1: Charge it up. 2: Power it off. 3: Unplug the charger. 4: Plug it in via USB. 5: Hold down HOME while powering it back up and there will be a USB symbol in the top right on the Nokia flash page. | 08:35 |
| thoughtfix | Then run your flasher. | 08:35 |
| thoughtfix | In that order | 08:35 |
| sri | thoughtfix: thanks. | 08:35 |
| sri | xruxa: it doesn't say anything because I'm doing it wrong :) | 08:35 |
| xruxa | its ok to run the flasher first, it will be waiting for the device, then reboot the device and in bootstrap it connects. Just make sure you run flasher as ROOT | 08:36 |
| eugene | xruxa: yeah, or you waste another few more minutes :) | 08:38 |
| sri | so one thing isthat I can' tturn it off. | 08:38 |
| sri | I've tried ot drain the sucker, but I just can't seem to do it. | 08:38 |
| xruxa | with the linux flasher you don't need to turn it off, if its rebooting while the flasher is waiting for the device it should connect | 08:40 |
| thoughtfix | Remove the battery? | 08:40 |
| sri | you know I looked everywhere and there are no proper instructions on how to remove that battery correctly. It feels really scary to pry it oiut. | 08:40 |
| thoughtfix | Wait ... on the N800? | 08:41 |
| sri | xruxa: yes | 08:41 |
| xruxa | cover off, then slap it against your palm. Do not try your nails ;) | 08:41 |
| eugene | sri: i know how that feels :) | 08:41 |
| sri | xruxa: hehe.. okayh, I'll try that. ;) | 08:42 |
| thoughtfix | Wow | 08:42 |
| eugene | sri: but do remove your battery the way you inserted it in :) | 08:42 |
| thoughtfix | the firmware update story rocked the interwebs today | 08:42 |
| thoughtfix | Made digg frontpage | 08:42 |
| sri | gosh that was easy! | 08:42 |
| thoughtfix | >13k visitors | 08:42 |
| sri | yeah, my wife was excited (she's hte main user for the N800) about skype. | 08:42 |
| xruxa | too bad the update was not quite on time, again :( | 08:42 |
| eugene | sri: yeah, i know how that feels too ;) | 08:43 |
| thoughtfix | 411 diggs | 08:43 |
| eugene | were you expecting more? | 08:45 |
| derf | Sadly, I just re-flashed two weeks ago. | 08:46 |
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| sri | how long does the flashing take? | 08:47 |
| derf | The flashing itself doesn't take long. | 08:48 |
| derf | It's the reinstalling all the applications part that takes forever. | 08:48 |
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| sri | yeah, luckily I need to do that. | 08:51 |
| sri | I think there is some app that is drawing a lot of power | 08:51 |
| sri | there is seems to be some power drain when in idle | 08:52 |
| sri | because unused i don't think my n800 lasts more than 6-7 hours. | 08:52 |
| derf | Mine doesn't, either. | 08:52 |
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| xruxa | the automatic restore (reinstall) after flashing might be coming, at least the application manager now makes backup of catalogues and packages | 08:57 |
| sri | cool.. got it working :) | 08:57 |
| sri | derf: it's probably because we fill it full of apps :) | 08:58 |
| sri | frankly I think it is sshd | 08:58 |
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| Trencher | ... | 09:13 |
| Trencher | dead room is DEAD | 09:13 |
| eugene | ? | 09:13 |
| Trencher | lol | 09:14 |
| Trencher | is there a easy way to backup my entire device? | 09:14 |
| Trencher | firmware and everything? | 09:14 |
| xruxa | don't think there is | 09:18 |
| Trencher | o well | 09:18 |
| Trencher | this'll take all night | 09:18 |
| Trencher | but THATS ok | 09:18 |
| Trencher | lol | 09:18 |
| xruxa | the normal backup/restore is good for normal user's data, not good for installed apps and hacks ;) | 09:19 |
| Trencher | yeah | 09:19 |
| Trencher | i want to pull off the whole install so i can go back to 2006 and see if i can get lxdoom and nethack BOTH to work in it | 09:19 |
| Trencher | i really want lxdoom.. | 09:20 |
| Trencher | otherwise, no complaints about 2007he | 09:20 |
| Trencher | except for the extreme random slowdown when connected to a network | 09:20 |
| Trencher | can't wait till they upgrade it for flash 9 | 09:21 |
| sri | so clicking skype in the maemo menu gives me a forbidden web page. | 09:21 |
| xruxa | updates to 3rd party SW for 2007HE are tricky :( | 09:22 |
| Trencher | i'm sure.. massive patching needed | 09:23 |
| sri | duh | 09:23 |
| sri | I was loading it from teh web menu | 09:23 |
| sri | moronic | 09:23 |
| sri | it's okay to nod sadly :) | 09:24 |
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| Trencher | meh i'll deal w/o lxdoom | 09:26 |
| eugene | what is lxdoom | 09:27 |
| eugene | doom? game? | 09:27 |
| Trencher | doom the game | 09:28 |
| Trencher | comes with the shareware wad | 09:28 |
| Trencher | but you can put the full version on | 09:28 |
| Trencher | and possibly doom 2 | 09:28 |
| Trencher | maybe other games, but i'm not sure | 09:29 |
| Trencher | i have a large amount of wads to test.. | 09:29 |
| Trencher | but i can't even get the thing to start | 09:29 |
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| eugene | nod | 09:30 |
| melmoth | goood morning ! | 09:30 |
| eugene | good morning :) | 09:31 |
| sri | funny.. apparently, I can't set my birthday to my year because 1970 is the minimum it will be set to. | 09:32 |
| sri | 1970 being unix epoch.. | 09:32 |
| Trencher | :( | 09:32 |
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| sri | no worries. | 09:41 |
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| keesj | hi | 10:02 |
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| rhys | can anyone help me with google maps and maemo mapper? | 11:27 |
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| thoughtfix | kontarri is not here | 11:44 |
| thoughtfix | damn ... just mentioned him on my blog | 11:44 |
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| rhys | thoughtfix, do you know of a word type program for maemo? | 12:04 |
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| rhys | documents2go kinda thing? i have evince and gnumeric, now i need the word type. and abiword crashes? | 12:05 |
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| Lounis | hi, please where can I found rtorrent and wget for the N800? | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:25 |
| Lounis | Morning | 12:25 |
| Lounis | I know that rtorrent and wget exist on IT0S2007 but I can't found it | 12:26 |
| `0660 | wget would be nice | 12:29 |
| `0660 | opera crashes when downloading bigger files | 12:29 |
| Lounis | wget and rtorrent exist, I'm sure cause I had them but I lost them when I flashed the last firmware | 12:30 |
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| Lounis | `0660, wget is here : http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=wget&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openp | 12:33 |
| Lounis | sa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bproperty%5D=status&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&fetch=Fetch%21 | 12:33 |
| Lounis | sorry | 12:33 |
| Lounis | here: http://mg.pov.lt/770/wget.install | 12:34 |
| Lounis | and ctorrent: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ctorrent | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, anyone else have problems SSHing to their N800 (previous firmware)? | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | Lots of timeouts and resets when trying to connect | 12:37 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:41 |
| lardman | I see the ssh install in the new app catalogue is broken | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | Everything install wise is broken. Package management's a mess. | 12:43 |
| lardman | hmm, red pill mode works | 12:43 |
| lardman | contrary to the ml posts | 12:44 |
| rhys | word for maemo? | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | rhys: best bet is Abiword | 12:44 |
| rhys | i cant seem to find it | 12:44 |
| eugene | http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html | 12:44 |
| tko | hmm, I made a quick hack for 0xffff to build it on osx and got it to identify to device (almost, it thinks my n800 is 770) but neither it or flasher.macosx recognize the fiasco image :-( | 12:45 |
| eugene | tko: 0xffff wasn't updated to think that n800 is n800, but it doesn't matter i guess. | 12:46 |
| eugene | tko: worked fine for me though. | 12:46 |
| tko | eugene: 0.2 release? | 12:46 |
| eugene | yeah | 12:46 |
| tko | :-/ | 12:47 |
| rhys | whereabouts is python? | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | rhys: Google pymaemo | 12:49 |
| rhys | kk | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | eugene: easier generally to just install becomeroot.deb, I think | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | Gah, I hate networking. I hate Windows and I hate troubleshooting wifi | 12:50 |
| eugene | Jaffa: i find that enabling r&d mode is easier than straining your eyes and using your stylus to tap tap tap :) guess it's a matter of personal preference. | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | eugene: true | 12:55 |
| eugene | anyway, hopefully someone finds that link useful. | 12:56 |
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| lardman | bye | 13:14 |
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| eugene | Kprobes and Maemo (N800) | 13:29 |
| eugene | http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6172.html | 13:29 |
| eugene | feedbacks welcomed :) | 13:29 |
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| Jaffa | koen|train: you doing a tour of Scotland? | 13:36 |
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| hrhr | have n800 the screen protector? | 15:07 |
| hrhr | like most of ppc devices | 15:08 |
| hrhr | ? | 15:08 |
| hrhr | anybody alive? | 15:10 |
| `0660 | what's a ppc device? | 15:10 |
| hrhr | PocketPC | 15:10 |
| hrhr | eten,htc | 15:11 |
| `0660 | there's a soft cover and i think an official hard cover is coming to the market | 15:12 |
| hrhr | `0660: soft cover - protective film? | 15:14 |
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| hrhr | '0660: what quality of n800 screen (I mean crash tests with keys, money in the pocket) | 15:22 |
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| johann__ | hi | 15:41 |
| eugene | hi | 15:41 |
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| `0660 | hrhr, it's a cover for the whole device | 15:50 |
| `0660 | it has to be taken away before using the device | 15:50 |
| `0660 | i wouldn't put the device in a pocket with keys and coins | 15:51 |
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| hrhr | `0660: how about scratchs on screen? | 16:13 |
| pupnik_ | get a case | 16:23 |
| hrhr | pupnik_: stylust taps not leave scretchs? | 16:28 |
| pupnik_ | correct | 16:28 |
| pupnik_ | it's a very advanced screen | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | i forgot the chemical name | 16:29 |
| hrhr | pupnik_: in zaurus I scratched screen by it's stylus | 16:31 |
| hrhr | =( | 16:31 |
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| koos | odd, I can't find a good '#ifdef __ARM..' define. What could that be? | 17:02 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 17:14 |
| koos | pupnik_: the define I'm compiling for arm | 17:14 |
| koos | btw, is there a way to let cpp dump all default defines it has? | 17:16 |
| pupnik_ | don't know | 17:16 |
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| koos | ah, 'gcc -dM -E foo.c' | 17:23 |
| koos | so its __ARMEL__ | 17:23 |
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| pupnik_ | whoah look at all thost defines! | 17:25 |
| pupnik_ | roughly 1000 | 17:25 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqm7aRGctig "All the rest of them basically lie when they take their oaths of office" | 17:42 |
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| koos | pupnik_: have you already bora3.2? and has flash indeed improved? | 17:44 |
| Molagi | can i download the newest OS by using the update manager? | 17:49 |
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| dragorn | Molagi: No, you have to reflash the entire device (and re-install everything you've added) | 17:52 |
| Molagi | ;O | 17:53 |
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| pupnik_ | i have a 770 with 2007HE | 17:56 |
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| Tu13es | any suggestions for streaming media players besides Media Streamer? | 17:57 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer can stream | 17:57 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 17:59 |
| Tu13es | will it browse my stuffs? I set up a server with Twonky | 17:59 |
| pupnik_ | no | 17:59 |
| Tu13es | ah, canola does it | 18:03 |
| Tu13es | duh | 18:03 |
| unique311 | video playback on youtube is cool....but youo have to pretty much wait for the whole video to DL to view it properly | 18:06 |
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| koos | unique311:odd, or have you a slow connection? | 18:09 |
| unique311 | i have a fast connection... | 18:09 |
| unique311 | same thing with google video | 18:09 |
| unique311 | thoughtfix has a post on the issue on maemo.org | 18:10 |
| eugene | i'm amused. | 18:10 |
| unique311 | 'about? | 18:11 |
| eugene | i'm amused by the way skype starts, and exits. | 18:11 |
| unique311 | all the hype about skype, and Gizmo does pretty much the same thing | 18:11 |
| unique311 | kinda mad | 18:12 |
| eugene | it seems that the binaries skype provided have no proper way of exiting their application. i really wonder if they do de-allocate the resources it uses. | 18:12 |
| unique311 | nokia should of spent the time on java for this new firmware update | 18:12 |
| eugene | unique311: ... | 18:12 |
| eugene | skype, gizmo, java, firmware update. these are all different things. i am not sure what you are talking about :) | 18:13 |
| pupnik_ | yeah unique311 it's hype. Also a good name. When a product has a slick name, it sells. | 18:13 |
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| Jaffa | eugene: how does Skype start and exit? | 18:15 |
| eugene | Jaffa: i'm blogging about it. hold on. | 18:16 |
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| unique311 | streetview is a nice feature for googlemaps..that require flash 9, and that doesn't seem to work........ | 18:18 |
| unique311 | wonder if its a browser problem... | 18:18 |
| eugene | Jaffa: btw i like your website design :) | 18:19 |
| unique311 | next firmware update hype is going to be (updated opera browser | 18:19 |
| Molagi | fuck | 18:20 |
| Molagi | download timed out | 18:20 |
| Molagi | now i gotta wait this 15minutes again | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | eugene: ta :-) | 18:20 |
| eugene | :) | 18:20 |
| Tu13es | i just tested skype and gizmo with a mobile phone and both were just about the same | 18:21 |
| unique311 | yup | 18:22 |
| unique311 | made a call on on gizmo. clear as feck | 18:22 |
| Tu13es | yeah | 18:23 |
| Tu13es | now i just need to decide which to use | 18:23 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:23 |
| unique311 | have more friends on skype.. | 18:23 |
| unique311 | call wise gizmo sells 20 dollars cards........ | 18:23 |
| unique311 | and you get 1000 minutes i think | 18:24 |
| unique311 | or was it 5000 | 18:24 |
| Tu13es | yeah, gizmo is 1.9cpm where skype is i think 2.1 or so with a 3.9 cent connetion fee | 18:24 |
| Tu13es | i really don't like the gizmo software though | 18:24 |
| Tu13es | seems soo bloate | 18:24 |
| Tu13es | d | 18:24 |
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| unique311 | no call out plan for gizmo | 18:26 |
| unique311 | major difference. | 18:27 |
| gomiam | discussing whether to use Skype or Gizmo, are you? | 18:28 |
| unique311 | well | 18:28 |
| Tu13es | essentially, gomiam | 18:28 |
| gomiam | well, I'll keep both at hand, and use each one as my needs require :-) | 18:29 |
| gomiam | end of the problem- | 18:29 |
| Tu13es | yeah, but I need to decide which to spend money on | 18:29 |
| gomiam | mmm... none :-D | 18:29 |
| Tu13es | unique311: you mean no unlimited call out plan? | 18:29 |
| unique311 | skype with the plans... | 18:29 |
| unique311 | skype pro | 18:29 |
| unique311 | yes | 18:29 |
| Tu13es | skype pro is only free for landlines :( | 18:29 |
| gomiam | I already have a bit of money in Skype, but that's just because my mother uses it to call to Brasil | 18:29 |
| gomiam | If I were to use something right now I would try to go through VoIPBuster | 18:30 |
| Tu13es | I'd have to talk for 23 hours on Skype for the unlimited calling thing to be worth it | 18:30 |
| gomiam | (not that there is a Maemo client, though) | 18:30 |
| gomiam | 23 hours? | 18:30 |
| gomiam | mmm.... | 18:30 |
| gomiam | I guess my mother could run that up quite quickly :-D | 18:31 |
| Tu13es | 23 hours assuming 2.1 cents per minute | 18:31 |
| Tu13es | hrm, though there's that connection fee too | 18:31 |
| gomiam | then again, I already have flat-rate to Spanish land-lines, so it makes little sense. | 18:31 |
| gomiam | 23 hours in a period of... how long? | 18:31 |
| gomiam | a month? | 18:31 |
| Tu13es | a year | 18:32 |
| Tu13es | heh | 18:32 |
| gomiam | a _year_? | 18:32 |
| gomiam | and you are still worryinh? | 18:32 |
| gomiam | s/nh/ng/ | 18:32 |
| infobot_ | gomiam meant: and you are still worrying? | 18:32 |
| unique311 | i miss skypes year free landlines promotion... | 18:32 |
| unique311 | that would definitely come in handy right now. | 18:33 |
| Tu13es | i have a bad habit of spending money on these VoIP services and not using them | 18:33 |
| Tu13es | I bought a SkypeIn number in Sept and didn't use it much | 18:33 |
| Tu13es | also bought a Area775 number from Gizmo which I ended up cancelling | 18:33 |
| unique311 | but at 29 dollars for the year | 18:33 |
| unique311 | i will be purchasing a 2 or 3 year plan | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | Right, time to reflash, I think | 18:34 |
| danilo__ | Someone knows if exists a risk like's game for Maemo? | 18:34 |
| Tu13es | i'm not saying it's not a good deal, I'm just debating whether it's worth it for me or not | 18:34 |
| danilo__ | I try to find one on google, but I did't find any | 18:35 |
| gomiam | risk for maemo... | 18:36 |
| gomiam | let me check just in case | 18:36 |
| unique311 | try to find a linux version of it with the source....and compile | 18:36 |
| * rwhitby uses gizmo simply due to the skype EULA which states that Skype can use *your* computer to route *other* people's calls. | 18:36 | |
| unique311 | found one....but requires java | 18:36 |
| danilo__ | Yes... I found one... TEG... | 18:36 |
| gomiam | rwhitby: and that term is a problem... why? | 18:36 |
| danilo__ | with the sources... | 18:37 |
| hrhr | how about skype for n800? | 18:37 |
| unique311 | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/GAMES-ENTERTAINMENT/TBS/Risk-4922.shtml | 18:37 |
| Jaffa | rwhitby: that's entirely the point of Skype: it's a P2P protocol. | 18:37 |
| unique311 | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/6/risk.html | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | That's how it can easily bypass firewalls/NAT etc. by using others' systems which are in the clear as a bridge. | 18:38 |
| danilo__ | unique311, I found a version named "Teg". but the compilation process was not successful | 18:38 |
| unique311 | keep at it... | 18:38 |
| unique311 | with every error...google a solution | 18:38 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: cause I pay for my bandwidth | 18:39 |
| unique311 | was the failure due to dependencies? danilo__ | 18:39 |
| rwhitby | Jaffa: a proprietary P2P protocol at that ... | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | rwhitby: indeed | 18:39 |
| danilo__ | unique311, Yes, I know.... lol.... | 18:39 |
| gomiam | rwhitby: so you want to have good connection and quality service, but not to help others get the same | 18:40 |
| gomiam | I hope you don't use Bittorrent or eMule | 18:40 |
| gomiam | because it's the same | 18:40 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: actually, I don't. | 18:40 |
| gomiam | anyway, if you like it that way, it's your choice | 18:40 |
| rwhitby | but I'm not forcing that choice on anyone else. | 18:40 |
| unique311 | danilo__, so what were the failures from , dependencies? | 18:40 |
| danilo__ | unique311, I dont remember. But I think it was.... | 18:40 |
| rwhitby | (i.e. I didn't say that anyone else shouldn't use skype, I just educated those people who may not have read the EULA closely) | 18:41 |
| danilo__ | I'm not on my machine now, but I will test it again later. | 18:41 |
| gomiam | The N800 has Java support right? | 18:42 |
| danilo__ | rwhitby, Some problems with Skype's EULA? | 18:42 |
| gomiam | (I just never thought about it until now) | 18:42 |
| unique311 | wonder whats the stats on users actually reading the EULA before installing and using an app | 18:42 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, I think not... | 18:42 |
| gomiam | danilo__: he doesn't like P2P | 18:42 |
| gomiam | so he won't use it. | 18:43 |
| unique311 | guilty of not doing so.... | 18:43 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: P2P is fine when it is a conscious choice. | 18:43 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, and why it is a problem? | 18:43 |
| gomiam | rwhitby: erm... and where exactly does Skype not tell you it is a P2P application? | 18:43 |
| gomiam | because I knew from day one | 18:43 |
| rwhitby | it's the proprietary nature of the protocol, which means zero interoperability, which is my real problem with skype | 18:43 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: not doubting you - you seem to be very well informed. | 18:44 |
| gomiam | oh, but the Skype protocol has already been rev-eng'd | 18:44 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: yes, but they can change it whenever they want | 18:44 |
| gomiam | no, they actually would have quite a problem | 18:44 |
| gomiam | it's not so easy to update the whole infrastructure | 18:45 |
| gomiam | anyway, there's always OpenWengo | 18:45 |
| gomiam | if Skype gets too obnoxious | 18:45 |
| gomiam | :-) | 18:45 |
| rwhitby | sure they can, over time. each skype client updates itself. it has full control over your computer, remember (that's in the EULA) | 18:45 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, OpenWengo works fine on N800? | 18:45 |
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| rwhitby | yeah, an open source SIP client is better than Gizmo anyway (Gizmo is closed source) | 18:46 |
| gomiam | danilo__: I don't know whether it is ported yet | 18:46 |
| gomiam | but it should be relatively simple, I think. | 18:46 |
| rwhitby | open source and open protocol is best in my mind. | 18:46 |
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| Tu13es | hm, I am very impressed with how good the n800 microphone sounds | 18:47 |
| eugene | Jaffa: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6532.html | 18:47 |
| danilo__ | Tu13es, I'm very impressed with it too.... | 18:47 |
| gnuite | Has anyone else had problems with xephyr crashing (seg fault) with maemo 3.2? It happens whenever I try to run the "af-sb-init.sh start" command... | 18:47 |
| gomiam | gnuite: not me. What is xephyr? | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | eugene: weird | 18:47 |
| eugene | Jaffa: most weird. | 18:48 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: the interesting thing is that I did a side-by-side comparison of skype and gizmo from Australia to the USA (both clients on the same n800 and PC at each end), and gizmo had the better sound clarity. | 18:49 |
| rwhitby | go figure. | 18:49 |
| danilo__ | Tu13es, I'd never used it before. But now, with skype, things are little differences.. | 18:49 |
| Tu13es | gizmo definitely sounds louder from what i just tried | 18:49 |
| gomiam | rwhitby: _that_ is information I would take into account :-) | 18:49 |
| Tu13es | I had major lag issues in the past though | 18:49 |
| gomiam | when I talked with eugene on Skype we had quite good audio | 18:50 |
| gomiam | so YMMV | 18:50 |
| eugene | hehe | 18:50 |
| eugene | gomiam: do you still have the backup url you gave me last night? | 18:50 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: dunno whether it's skype in general, whether it's skype over trans-pacific links, or whether it's just skype on the n800 at fault | 18:50 |
| gomiam | eugene: which one? | 18:50 |
| Tu13es | which forced me to cancel my area775 number | 18:50 |
| danilo__ | rwhitby, May be, but Who use it? Its works fine with edge?! I think that sound clarity is not the only thing that we need to see... | 18:50 |
| eugene | gomiam: the best one :) | 18:50 |
| Jaffa | Everyone else must have more international friends than me. I just use the phone (landline or mobile ;-)) | 18:50 |
| gomiam | yes | 18:50 |
| gomiam | hold on | 18:50 |
| gomiam | customizing what gets backed up on the internet tablets (workaround for bug #974) « internet tablet mania | 18:50 |
| gomiam | ouch :-D | 18:50 |
| gomiam | customizing what gets backed up on the internet tablets (workaround for bug #974) « internet tablet mania | 18:51 |
| gomiam | damn | 18:51 |
| gomiam | http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/ | 18:51 |
| gomiam | now | 18:51 |
| rwhitby | danilo__: just giving my personal experience as a data point. your mileage will vary. | 18:51 |
| eugene | gomiam: i wonder if i should use back wordpress or livejournal... | 18:51 |
| gomiam | eugene: mmm.... you may want to. | 18:51 |
| gomiam | somehow I don't think they will use the backup system | 18:52 |
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| gomiam | btw, has anybody here had success using the aircrack-ng suite? | 18:53 |
| eugene | oh yeah, just in case anyone interested in this: Kprobes and Maemo (N800). check out http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6172.html | 18:53 |
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| gomiam | (mainly the injection part) | 18:53 |
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| dragorn | gomiam: injection is not possible with the buildin card | 18:54 |
| dragorn | built-in even | 18:54 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, I think that nobody uses WEP anymore... lol | 18:54 |
| gomiam | ouch, damn | 18:54 |
| gomiam | danilo__: you would be surprised | 18:54 |
| dragorn | it's rejected by the binary part of the drivers | 18:54 |
| gomiam | here in Spain it still is the default for several ISPs | 18:54 |
| dragorn | get host mode working and use a usb card | 18:55 |
| eugene | hehe no one is interested :) | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: no, but they I could never be bothered to decode the instructions for either the "proper" or the Maemo version | 18:55 |
| gomiam | (other ISPs simply don't even care about putting encryption on their WiFi routers :-D ) | 18:56 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: I was able to understand the instructions... kind of :-D | 18:56 |
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| Tu13es | anyone know what version of Opera the n800 uses? | 18:57 |
| gomiam | on an aside, the main problem with getting OpenWengo on Maemo seems to be the Tapioca codec | 18:57 |
| gomiam | and there's a project on sourceforge for it. | 18:58 |
| gomiam | ouch, erase that | 18:58 |
| gomiam | I got misled, it seems | 18:58 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: I'm sufficiently lazy that I wanted a "click here to start grabbing packets, looking for the appropriate things and attempting to decrypt" button. | 18:58 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, I dont know. Here in my city (Curitiba - Brazil), I dont see WEP's ISPS anymore... | 18:58 |
| Jaffa | Tu13es: 8.5 IIRC | 18:58 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: something like kismet? :-) | 18:59 |
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| Jaffa | gomiam: kismet's just a "show me what networks are broadcasting" AFAIK... | 19:01 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, how many seconds aircrack spends to break WEP on Maemo? | 19:01 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: it is also able of WEP crack IIRC | 19:01 |
| _Monkey | okay, gomiam. | 19:01 |
| gomiam | danilo__: no idea, I haven't collected enough packets yet :-) | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: oh, how? | 19:02 |
| gomiam | give me a second :-) | 19:03 |
| milhouse | it? | 19:03 |
| _Monkey | or able of WEP crack IIRC | 19:03 |
| milhouse | forget it | 19:03 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot it | 19:03 |
| danilo__ | gomiam, I will put my AP into WEP mode today and will test it.... Just for curiosity lol | 19:03 |
| gomiam | I would do the same, danilo__ (I have two WiFi routers gathering dust here), but I'm supposed to be studying :-) | 19:03 |
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| gomiam | Jaffa, it seems I was mistaken. The Kismet main site says nothing about cracking :-( | 19:04 |
| gomiam | argh | 19:05 |
| gomiam | today I'm really dense | 19:05 |
| gomiam | http://www.kismetwireless.net/ | 19:05 |
| gomiam | read the Feauter list | 19:05 |
| pupnik_ | Kismet just collects packets and scans. | 19:05 |
| gomiam | "Runtime decoding of WEP packets for known networks" | 19:05 |
| danilo__ | Studying.. But you are studying: Wifi security lol | 19:05 |
| gomiam | I made the mistake of thinking that meant cracking networks | 19:05 |
| gomiam | and it doesn't | 19:05 |
| gomiam | bleh | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | So, I do want an easy way ;-) | 19:06 |
| gomiam | :-D | 19:06 |
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| gomiam | you youngsters want everything easy. In my days we decoded WEP by picking the signal with a fork between index and thumb. | 19:07 |
| gomiam | ;-P | 19:07 |
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| keesj | :p | 19:08 |
| gomiam | ok, so I currently know no easy way to crack WEP | 19:08 |
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| Jaffa | gomiam: feh, when I was young we dreamt about 1200 baud modems and acoustic couplers and longed to get on to Micronet or Prestel. | 19:08 |
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| Jaffa | Well, I did. But then I was a geeky kid... | 19:09 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: _I_ started connecting to BBSs with a 1200 bps modem :-) | 19:09 |
| keesj | When I was young we draemt about color tv | 19:09 |
| gomiam | before that I had to shout the connection codes at my phone microphone :-P | 19:10 |
| gomiam | well, enough with the offtopic for me | 19:10 |
| keesj | O an i first connected to a bbs usinb ax25 | 19:10 |
| gomiam | I feel your pain, keesj | 19:10 |
| keesj | priririp tong tong tong prgrrrrrrr | 19:11 |
| gomiam | :-D | 19:11 |
| keesj | gomiam: I was realy funny to actualy see the packets being sent , | 19:11 |
| gomiam | that's what you get from having an oscilloscope | 19:13 |
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| milhouse | hmmm... anyone having trouble with upgrading to sardine on the device? since at least wednesday it's been crapping out while "Unpacking replacement osso-thumbnail0" | 19:13 |
| gomiam | btw, what's the use of the push-button on the N800 earplug-with microphone? | 19:13 |
| * pupnik_ kept his 1200bps modem as a memento | 19:13 | |
| milhouse | same error every day | 19:13 |
| milhouse | pupnik - you were trying to train _monkey earlier (libsdl-net)... you need to tell it forget the existing factoid before it will learn a new one | 19:14 |
| pupnik_ | how to tell it to forget? | 19:14 |
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| milhouse | eg. forget libsdl-net | 19:14 |
| pupnik | forget libsdl-net | 19:15 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot libsdl-net | 19:15 |
| milhouse | now it's ready to learn a new one :) | 19:15 |
| pupnik | libsdl-net is http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb (IT2006, but works on 2007) | 19:15 |
| milhouse | libsdl-net | 19:15 |
| _Monkey | somebody said libsdl-net was http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb (IT2006, but works on 2007) | 19:15 |
| milhouse | there's another way to replace factoids, which is to say "no, _monkey, libsdl-net is ..." | 19:17 |
| milhouse | all in the guide... http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html | 19:17 |
| eugene | good night | 19:17 |
| pupnik | cool beans. people not using it much yet, but it can save me typing | 19:17 |
| pupnik | cu eugene | 19:17 |
| eugene | cu | 19:17 |
| milhouse | cya eugene | 19:17 |
| eugene | cya | 19:18 |
| milhouse | yeah, as it learns it will become more useful, or entertaining, or annoying... | 19:18 |
| keesj | but I started programming pic's only a week-ago | 19:18 |
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| keesj | So at 32 years of age you will see ma as happy pingus looking at a blinking led (look no computer) | 19:19 |
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| k-s | :-P | 19:19 |
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| milhouse | anyone got any idea what's going on with sardine ? | 19:20 |
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| milhouse | device upgrade is borked :( | 19:20 |
| gomiam | has anybody used the Gizmo conference procedure? | 19:21 |
| keesj | btw the software upgrade fixed my screen | 19:21 |
| rwhitby | gomiam: yeah, it doesn't seem to work too well. I can only recommend gizmo for point to point. | 19:21 |
| rwhitby | (at least for trans-pacific calls) | 19:22 |
| milhouse | quite often clicks on buttons fail to register for me since the upgrade to 4.2007 | 19:22 |
| gomiam | ok, thanks. The Party line is a cricket house, anyway. | 19:22 |
| milhouse | this should cheer Sony up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6275728.stm | 19:23 |
| keesj | gomiam: yes, the party line is awfull | 19:23 |
| gomiam | right now someone put some salsa music to "mix" with the lot of paused call sounds | 19:23 |
| keesj | I just don't want to run 4 different chat/calling programs, I will try skype for a while. is there an option to start it a boot time?) | 19:30 |
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| milhouse | do you have to have skype running to receive a call? | 19:34 |
| keesj | I guess so yes | 19:35 |
| Molagi | is there a motion detector camera for n800? | 19:35 |
| `0660 | not if you keep your cell phone with you | 19:35 |
| keesj | Molagi: the montion package is know to work on it | 19:35 |
| milhouse | keesj - in that case, it doesn't seem possible to start it at boot which seems an incredibly stupid omission | 19:35 |
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| Molagi | ok | 19:36 |
| Molagi | where can i download this thing | 19:36 |
| keesj | perhaps there is a taskbar plugin? | 19:36 |
| milhouse | keesj - try calling neil-macleod, i don't have skype running | 19:36 |
| `0660 | shit, it does not reconnect automatically if the device has been disconnect from the network | 19:37 |
| milhouse | keesj - nothing listed in Control Panel -> Navigation | 19:38 |
| milhouse | maybe they're using the Presence status bar icon (would make sense to use it) | 19:38 |
| keesj | milhouse: guess what you are not online :p | 19:38 |
| milhouse | damn | 19:38 |
| milhouse | that's so crap | 19:38 |
| keesj | skype has always been like that | 19:38 |
| milhouse | maybe integration will follow in a future update | 19:38 |
| milhouse | at least Google Talk is integrated | 19:39 |
| `0660 | hmm, now it did do that. this is confusing :) | 19:39 |
| keesj | perhaps a nice media project to work on ? http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Screenshots | 19:39 |
| milhouse | The "Accounts" section should include Skype and allow you to add your skype email addy | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Restoring settings from backup (first time I've ever done that) has nicely restored my network connections, forgotten my BT devices and seriously mucked up the theming. | 19:40 |
| milhouse | this would then work with the Presence icon | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | Unfortunately, switching from one theme to another doesn't fix it. | 19:40 |
| keesj | milhouse: I don't think it should all be integrated | 19:40 |
| pupnik | Somebody make DrPocketSNES work on Nokia. :) Needs some filehandling work, and a framebuffer or SDL output. | 19:40 |
| milhouse | I'd rather have one Presence icon than two | 19:40 |
| milhouse | and one way of doing something, than two different ways | 19:41 |
| milhouse | "integration" to me means that Skype should be able to extend existing functionality | 19:41 |
| milhouse | and the same goes for Gizmo etc. | 19:41 |
| milhouse | One Accounts management dialog, one Presence dialog etc. | 19:41 |
| milhouse | 3 different voip apps :) | 19:42 |
| gomiam | "three VoIP apps for the geeks in their hallowed basements..." :-D | 19:42 |
| milhouse | "and with nobody to talk to" | 19:42 |
| milhouse | ;) | 19:42 |
| `0660 | :p | 19:42 |
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| gomiam | (now, if I could only thing of a way to make a whole One Ring verse a la Tolkien...) | 19:43 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: what theme are you using? | 19:47 |
| Molagi | hmm it seems i cant download the python | 19:49 |
| Molagi | or install | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I was using Plantkon, but now it's running any of the built-in ones to no effect | 19:49 |
| keesj | /finger Molagi | grep device | 19:50 |
| keesj | Molagi: I installed on on 4.2007 yesterday using the "one click install" | 19:51 |
| gomiam | hey, no fingering here, this is a decent channel | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, anyone else having problems gettingmaemo-hackers.org's xterm? | 19:51 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: is that the osso-xterm package? | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 19:51 |
| gomiam | well, it works for me | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install is timing out here | 19:52 |
| keesj | Jaffa: it installed the lame-xterm for me | 19:52 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: I used the application manager O:-) | 19:52 |
| danilo__ | maemo-hackers website is working? | 19:52 |
| gomiam | it probably did yesterday, since I was able to get osso-xterm installed | 19:54 |
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| keesj | gomiam: is it the hackers xterm with the menu on the right? | 19:56 |
| * thoughtfix wanders back again | 19:56 | |
| Jaffa | keesj: yeah | 19:56 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: what? | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | It's the hackers xterm with the menu on the right | 19:56 |
| gomiam | I think so, with Pg Up, Pg Down, and the like | 19:56 |
| gomiam | osso-xterm version 0.13.mh24bora1 | 19:57 |
| thoughtfix | Yikes. 10 AM and it's already 100F outside | 19:58 |
| gomiam | that mh would mean it's a maemo-hackers' package. | 19:58 |
| gomiam | yup | 20:00 |
| danilo__ | Someone know where get the airodump package? | 20:00 |
| gomiam | it's from the maemo-hackers.org bora repository | 20:00 |
| gomiam | let me check | 20:00 |
| Molagi | ok | 20:00 |
| Jaffa | Ah, reinstalling hildon-theme-cacher and plankton sorted it | 20:01 |
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| gomiam | http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?search=aircrack&dir=&searchMode=f | 20:02 |
| gomiam | that's the download site for aircrack-ng | 20:02 |
| rgriffit | flashed the new firmware tNickServ IDENTIFY <password> | 20:02 |
| rgriffit | (09:59:59 AM) NickServ: (notice) Unknown command [fougtare] | 20:02 |
| rgriffit | (10:00:24 AM) NickServ: (notice) Unknown command [richardg1952] | 20:02 |
| gomiam | and http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=./&file=aircrack-ng_0.5-1mad_armel.deb is the package URL | 20:03 |
| danilo__ | I think that maemo-hackers website is offline. Someone can confirm it? | 20:03 |
| gomiam | if you are going to download it with wget, remember to enclose that URL in quotes | 20:03 |
| gomiam | maemo-hackers.org doesn't answer my queries either | 20:03 |
| gomiam | checking through apt-get update... | 20:04 |
| milhouse | hmm... new opera is pretty flakey on youtube - crashes maybe 1 in 4 pages | 20:04 |
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| milhouse | so far always when going back through the history | 20:04 |
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| rgriffit | app manager is hanging after installing new n800 firmware. anyone else seeing this? | 20:05 |
| gomiam | it looks like the M-H site got locked. | 20:05 |
| gomiam | rgriffit: does it hang just after installing an app? | 20:05 |
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| rgriffit | no, works until I reboot. then it hangs on open. i reflashed twice - same result | 20:06 |
| gomiam | how many repositories do you have, rgriffit? | 20:06 |
| gomiam | in my case, it had something to do with having too many installable applications | 20:07 |
| rgriffit | hmmm, can't see them now to count, but I'd guess at least a dozen | 20:07 |
| gomiam | I had to go and install through every option except "all" | 20:07 |
| gomiam | until the installable list was short enough | 20:08 |
| rgriffit | is there something I can edit through xterm? | 20:08 |
| gomiam | (by then, though, I already had osso-xterm and becomeroot installed, and could use apt-get) | 20:08 |
| gomiam | yup | 20:08 |
| gomiam | the repositories list is stored at /etc/apt/sources.list | 20:08 |
| rgriffit | i'll try reducing it | 20:08 |
| gomiam | you need root access to edit it, though | 20:09 |
| rgriffit | got it | 20:09 |
| gomiam | good | 20:09 |
| gomiam | then try an apt-get update | 20:09 |
| gomiam | and apt-get upgrade | 20:09 |
| gomiam | before touching the sources.list file | 20:09 |
| gomiam | apt-get update should complain about faulty repositories | 20:09 |
| gomiam | (if there's any) | 20:09 |
| rgriffit | sudo gainroot is failing. Is there any other way to switch to root? | 20:11 |
| gomiam | !? | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | "Failing"? | 20:11 |
| gomiam | do you have the becomeroot package installed? | 20:11 |
| gomiam | otherwise you can try and install openssh-installer | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | rgriffit: you need to enable R&D mode from a desktop PC or install the becomeroot package | 20:11 |
| gomiam | and get through ssh | 20:11 |
| rgriffit | sudo: unable to lookup Nokia-N800-26 via gethostbyname() | 20:11 |
| gomiam | !? | 20:12 |
| gomiam | that's new | 20:12 |
| gomiam | try and install dropbear | 20:13 |
| gomiam | so you can ssh in the system | 20:13 |
| rgriffit | I guess I need to reflash again since app manager doesn't work and apt-get needs root permissions | 20:13 |
| gomiam | yup, it looks like it | 20:14 |
| gomiam | it is strange though. | 20:14 |
| rgriffit | I think I screwed up my /etc/hosts | 20:14 |
| rgriffit | careless editing | 20:14 |
| gomiam | ah, that might be it | 20:15 |
| rgriffit | thx | 20:15 |
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| gomiam | lol @ some random webcomic | 20:16 |
| gomiam | A: "hey B, your stubble is green. Did you grow up near a nuclear plant or something?" | 20:17 |
| gomiam | B: "No near, but in. We rented an unused cooling tower. We would throw a plutonium rod at the dog and it would slither back with it, waging its tails" | 20:17 |
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| pupnik | pleez sumbudy write an ogg DSP sink :| | 20:20 |
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| gomiam | http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/ XD | 20:22 |
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| Spec | so...how can i tell what 'distro' my 770 is running? mistral? gregale? bora? | 20:55 |
| `0660 | install one from the net and then you will know :) | 20:56 |
| Spec | hah | 20:56 |
| Spec | any other way? | 20:56 |
| pupnik | sure | 20:57 |
| pupnik | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 20:57 |
| dick-richardson | the nokia repo, specifically | 20:57 |
| Spec | so if i'm gonna build a kernel+module, i should just grab the kernel sources in my scratchbox from the same repo my 770 has in it's sources.list? | 20:57 |
| dick-richardson | I would | 20:58 |
| pupnik | sounds right to me, haven't tried it | 20:58 |
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| dick-richardson | well, crap. I lost my calendar info :/ | 20:59 |
| dick-richardson | s'pose I'll just make a cron job that tar's up my home directory and copies across the network | 21:00 |
| Radar | I lost my xchant and pidgin accounts.. | 21:00 |
| Radar | that's a good idea | 21:00 |
| Spec | looks like it's mistral | 21:00 |
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| Spec | hmm, kernel-source from mistral is a few versions older than what's running on my 770 | 21:04 |
| Spec | but the kernel-source in gregale is much closer... | 21:04 |
| dick-richardson | cron isn't installed? | 21:04 |
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| dick-richardson | no problem with my kingston 2gb sd cards since the update...very nice | 21:16 |
| Radar | only problems I have left are themes, the maemo repository, and python install | 21:17 |
| dick-richardson | I'm holding off on the repos for a bit...I tried a dist upgrade and the unit wouldn't boot | 21:23 |
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| pupnik | mwah. | 21:36 |
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| milhouse | Does Skype prevent the screen from blanking?? | 21:50 |
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| milhouse | well blow me... Skype does appear to prevent the screen from blanking...damned smart, that's gonna help the battery | 21:52 |
| Spec | does the n770 by default support encrypted networks? (wep)? | 21:52 |
| milhouse | Spec: yes | 21:53 |
| milhouse | and WPA | 21:53 |
| Spec | i clicky an encrypted network and it just exits the connection menu | 21:53 |
| Spec | and then proceeds to do nothing at all | 21:53 |
| milhouse | WEP and WPA are supported, but it's not perfect... some users do have problems with some routers... are you sure you have entered the keys correctly? | 21:54 |
| milhouse | s/key/keys/ | 21:54 |
| infobot_ | milhouse meant: WEP and WPA are supported, but it's not perfect... some users do have problems with some routers... are you sure you have entered the keyss correctly? | 21:54 |
| milhouse | s/keyss/key/ | 21:54 |
| Spec | milhouse: how do i enter the key? | 21:54 |
| milhouse | no idea, i haven't used WEP for about 4 years | 21:55 |
| milhouse | have a look in Control Panel -> Connectivity | 21:55 |
| Spec | i assumed when clicking on an encrypted network it would ask me to input the key | 21:55 |
| milhouse | create the connection there, it should ask for a key or passphrase | 21:55 |
| Spec | 'k | 21:55 |
| milhouse | it should... | 21:55 |
| ericz_ | it should give a field to enter it in when a secure network is chosen.. | 21:55 |
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| milhouse | hmmm... trying to reproduce this non-blanking screen bug is tricky... i now have skype running and it just blanked... the only diff before is that i accepted an invite and had skype pulsing in the task bar to get my attention. | 21:56 |
| Spec | what's a 'packet data' connection? | 21:56 |
| milhouse | mobile | 21:57 |
| milhouse | you want wlan | 21:57 |
| Spec | ah, bt then | 21:57 |
| Spec | yeap, i can enter in info via control panel | 21:57 |
| Spec | weird that it doesn't let me enter info when i click the globe button in the upper-right corner | 21:57 |
| Spec | (and then select an encrypted network) | 21:57 |
| milhouse | ok, once you save that connection it should be listed when you scan via the globe | 21:57 |
| Spec | yeap | 21:57 |
| Spec | let me go find wep key, i'll let ya'll know if it worked | 21:58 |
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| Molagi | i installed the python thing, where can i download the motion detector camera | 22:12 |
| Radar | you got python to install? | 22:13 |
| Molagi | yeah | 22:13 |
| Radar | I have been unable to.. the log says it's unable to fetch from the extras directory of the maemo repository | 22:21 |
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| Molagi | ok | 22:38 |
| Molagi | this motion detector app sucks ass totally | 22:38 |
| Molagi | the camera is so poor that the app thinks the "blurness" is movement | 22:38 |
| Molagi | i just left it on and checked after a while, it had taken over 500 pictures of my wall | 22:39 |
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| dick-richardson | gpe calendar does a poor job of 12 month recurring events like Memorial Day and Labor Day | 22:47 |
| dick-richardson | handles Thanksgiving alright, though...? | 22:48 |
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| jpt9 | hey | 22:53 |
| jpt9 | has anyone managed to get maemosid running? | 22:54 |
| jpt9 | (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemosid/ for anyone who hasn't seen it) | 22:54 |
| jpt9 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemosid/ | 22:54 |
| jpt9 | (in case anyone's using a GUI client that does hyperlinks... | 22:54 |
| jpt9 | anyway, I have a 770 with 2007HE on it. | 22:54 |
| jpt9 | the UI comes up, then it segfaults (I tried running it in the terminal) | 22:54 |
| pupnik | heh yaay for sids | 22:54 |
| jpt9 | any ideas? | 22:54 |
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| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/?group_id=153 | 22:55 |
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| jpt9 | I already emailed the author. | 22:55 |
| jpt9 | (about a minute ago) | 22:56 |
| jpt9 | can anyone try it on a 770 running OS 2006 or an N800 running OS 2007? | 22:56 |
| jpt9 | (just to see if it works at all) | 22:56 |
| pupnik | duno. i should really have IT2007he on my mmc card so i can compare both | 22:56 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 22:56 |
| dick-richardson | you know, with as buggy as this calendar is, it'd almost be worth running pose just for the native apps | 22:57 |
| killfill | damn.. i lost the usb cable.. cannot flash my n800 ..:S | 22:59 |
| dick-richardson | that's not a bad thing, gives you time to make sure you have EVERYTHING backed up ;) | 23:00 |
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| jpt9 | killfill: it's just a mini-USB cable. you should probably have some lying around from various MP3 players, digital cameras, etc. | 23:04 |
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| killfill | jpt9: looks like i lost them all.. :P | 23:05 |
| killfill | cannto find any | 23:05 |
| jpt9 | really? | 23:06 |
| jpt9 | well see if any neighbors/friends/etc have some :-) | 23:06 |
| dick-richardson | they're pretty cheap | 23:06 |
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| jpt9 | any other ideas for SID players? | 23:14 |
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| pupnik | hrm | 23:16 |
| pupnik | i could try to fix for it2007he | 23:16 |
| pupnik | but i'm spread real thin here | 23:17 |
| jpt9 | why? are you involved with maemosid? | 23:17 |
| pupnik | no but i can build a sidplayer pretty quick, i'll bet | 23:17 |
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| jpt9 | ah. | 23:17 |
| pupnik | command line at least | 23:17 |
| jpt9 | that would be fine in the meantime. | 23:18 |
| pupnik | do you know of any? | 23:18 |
| jpt9 | hmm... | 23:18 |
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| jpt9 | http://sidplay2.sourceforge.net/ | 23:18 |
| jpt9 | http://www.syntheticsw.com/~sinsch/?id=7298b&s=k2 | 23:20 |
| jpt9 | (tinysid) | 23:20 |
| jpt9 | http://sidplayer.cebix.net/ | 23:21 |
| pupnik | too many dependencies for me right now sorry | 23:21 |
| jpt9 | okay. | 23:21 |
| pupnik | if i get one together i'll put it on pupnik.de | 23:21 |
| jpt9 | okay. | 23:21 |
| jpt9 | thanks. | 23:22 |
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