| milhouse | forward/backward on my headset seems to confuse it - it's just stopped playing | 00:00 |
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| trevarthan | Big fat warning: Your n800 will probably lock up from time to time when using a2dp. I'm not sure why yet. Has something to do with a2dpd. | 00:00 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: you have to do an extra step to get forward/back and pause working on the headset: | 00:00 |
| trevarthan | edit ~/.a2dprc and change these lines to something like this: | 00:00 |
| trevarthan | # | 00:00 |
| trevarthan | # AVRCP Commands to run | 00:00 |
| trevarthan | # If these entries are emptied, then some keyboard entry will be sent to /dev/uinput | 00:00 |
| trevarthan | # | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | cmdplay=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | cmdpause=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | cmdprev=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote prev | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | cmdnext=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote next | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | cmdnew=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | cmdstop=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote stop | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | replace the /home/user/ukmp part with wherever you extracted the tar.gz to. | 00:01 |
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| trevarthan | After that, restart ukmp and it should work, but it takes up to 10 seconds for the key press to take effect. I have no idea why currently. I'll look into it when I have time. Just press it an be patient. | 00:02 |
| trevarthan | I'm also going to be modifying the spiny selector widget thingy to be more iphone like (tap to stop spinning, then tap again to select anything on the screen). I'll be doing that sometime this weekend. The black horizontal selector bars will go away. | 00:04 |
| milhouse | yeah that worked - took almost a minute though! :) | 00:08 |
| milhouse | maybe I won't be giving up my W950i just yet ;) | 00:08 |
| trevarthan | You can always use the directional pad on the n800 to change songs. left and right. It's a bit faster. | 00:10 |
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| milhouse | one things for sure the N800 has a _much_ strong bluetooth transmitter than the W950i - the N800 keeps on going over double the distance of the W950i | 00:11 |
| milhouse | s/strong/stronger/ | 00:11 |
| infobot_ | milhouse meant: one things for sure the N800 has a _much_ stronger bluetooth transmitter than the W950i - the N800 keeps on going over double the distance of the W950i | 00:11 |
| trevarthan | I actually get really annoyed with a2dp sometimes. I take a short run in the evenings, and it'll get choppy around certain buildings. oddest thing. It works great in my office though. | 00:12 |
| milhouse | A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) | 00:12 |
| milhouse | A2DP? | 00:12 |
| _Monkey | somebody said A2DP was what | 00:12 |
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| milhouse | hmmm | 00:12 |
| milhouse | _monkey forget A2DP | 00:13 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot a2dp | 00:13 |
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| milhouse | A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA \and is good. :) | 00:13 |
| milhouse | A2DP? | 00:13 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) | 00:13 |
| trevarthan | that's cool. :) | 00:13 |
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| milhouse | should help out when nobody is around to answer :) | 00:14 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, I don't have a video camera. I'd love to get a video of ukmp with a2dp out there so people who are install shy know what to expect. If anyone wants to make a video for me, that would be excellent. :) | 00:15 |
| milhouse | unfortunately i don't have a video.. and no camera on the w950i (good and bad in equal measures) | 00:16 |
| milhouse | what about screenshots? | 00:16 |
| milhouse | oh, or you mean a youtube kind of thing? | 00:16 |
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| trevarthan | Like this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-12.html (konttori is the original ukmp developer) | 00:18 |
| trevarthan | anyway, I gotta get back to work. Thanks for testing it out milhouse. If you have any questions, just send me a private message here on IRC. I'm always on during 9AM-5PM EDT. | 00:18 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I can take a screenshot. I'm just not at that point yet. I'll do that when I release a .deb. | 00:19 |
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| konttori | Older but better screenshot: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html | 00:19 |
| milhouse | the gui seems pretty easy to work out... i managed it so it can't be that hard. | 00:19 |
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| milhouse | many thanks trvarthan - it's looking really good, cheers | 00:20 |
| milhouse | s/trvarthan/trevarthan/ | 00:20 |
| infobot_ | milhouse meant: many thanks trevarthan - it's looking really good, cheers | 00:20 |
| trevarthan | See ya later. :) | 00:20 |
| milhouse | cya | 00:20 |
| konttori | trevarthan: would be cool if you coulb put screenshots | 00:20 |
| konttori | of your version that is | 00:20 |
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| trevarthan | konttori: I will. I promise. Hopefully I'll get around to that this weekend. We'll see though. Got family and stuff coming in from out of town. | 00:21 |
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| konttori | great. have a good weekend! no. have a great weekend! | 00:21 |
| trevarthan | you too! (even though it's Thursday..) :) | 00:22 |
| konttori | Oh yeah. I'll be starting weekend tomorrow | 00:22 |
| trevarthan | lucky lucky. | 00:22 |
| unique311 | hell | 00:22 |
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| unique311 | s/hell/hello | 00:22 |
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| unique311 | how the feck does that bot work milhouse | 00:23 |
| milhouse | infobot insists on that trailing slash | 00:23 |
| unique311 | lol | 00:23 |
| unique311 | s/hell/hello/ | 00:23 |
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| milhouse | and it only applies to your last post :) | 00:24 |
| unique311 | ok | 00:24 |
| unique311 | do | 00:24 |
| unique311 | so | 00:24 |
| unique311 | hell milhouse | 00:24 |
| unique311 | s/hell/hello | 00:24 |
| milhouse | lol | 00:24 |
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| unique311 | forgot the / | 00:24 |
| unique311 | lol | 00:24 |
| unique311 | hell milhouse | 00:24 |
| unique311 | s/hell/hello/ | 00:24 |
| infobot_ | unique311 meant: hello milhouse | 00:24 |
| unique311 | nice | 00:25 |
| milhouse | yay | 00:25 |
| unique311 | i like | 00:25 |
| milhouse | now teach _monkey some tricks | 00:25 |
| milhouse | itt? | 00:25 |
| _Monkey | itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 00:25 |
| milhouse | reflashing | 00:25 |
| _Monkey | Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware | 00:25 |
| unique311 | MIT? | 00:25 |
| milhouse | firmare | 00:26 |
| milhouse | firmware? | 00:26 |
| _Monkey | firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) or N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) or Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) | 00:26 |
| unique311 | monkey doesn't acknowledge moi | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | badmonkey? | 00:26 |
| _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! | 00:26 |
| milhouse | he doesn't know what MIT is | 00:26 |
| milhouse | alcohol | 00:26 |
| milhouse | alcohol? | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | that's fun. | 00:26 |
| milhouse | i thought it was evil... hmmm | 00:26 |
| milhouse | guess it's not | 00:26 |
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| pupnik | garage? | 00:29 |
| pupnik | what topics does it know? | 00:29 |
| milhouse | whatever you teach it | 00:29 |
| milhouse | infobot guide? | 00:29 |
| _Monkey | infobot guide is probably http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html | 00:29 |
| infobot_ | i guess guide is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html | 00:29 |
| infobot_ | ...but guide is already something else... | 00:29 |
| milhouse | anything less than 8 characters will need a question mark to get monkey to respond | 00:30 |
| milhouse | ie. badmonkey will elicit a response, while garage won't | 00:30 |
| milhouse | badmonkey | 00:30 |
| _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! | 00:30 |
| pupnik | got it | 00:30 |
| milhouse | garage is https://garage.maemo.org | 00:31 |
| milhouse | garage also is somewhere you park you car | 00:31 |
| milhouse | garage? | 00:31 |
| _Monkey | garage is https://garage.maemo.org | 00:31 |
| jumpula | garage is. | 00:32 |
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| milhouse | garage is also somewhere you park your car. | 00:32 |
| _Monkey | okay, milhouse. | 00:32 |
| milhouse | garage? | 00:32 |
| _Monkey | somebody said garage was https://garage.maemo.org or somewhere you park my car. | 00:32 |
| Pio | hah | 00:32 |
| Pio | my car | 00:32 |
| milhouse | bugger! | 00:32 |
| pupnik | libsdl-net is http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html | 00:32 |
| milhouse | need to remember to escape some thing | 00:32 |
| milhouse | forget garage | 00:32 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot garage | 00:32 |
| jumpula | dude, where's my car | 00:32 |
| milhouse | garage is https://garage.maemo.org | 00:33 |
| milhouse | garage is also some where \you may park your car. | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | okay, milhouse. | 00:33 |
| milhouse | garage? | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | i think garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park my car. | 00:33 |
| milhouse | argh | 00:33 |
| milhouse | forget garage | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot garage | 00:33 |
| milhouse | garage is https://garage.maemo.org | 00:33 |
| milhouse | garage is also some where \you may park \your car. | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | okay, milhouse. | 00:33 |
| milhouse | garage? | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park your car. | 00:33 |
| milhouse | done | 00:33 |
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| milhouse | angry is what happens to _Monkey when $who drinks all the milk and eats the biscuits | 00:34 |
| milhouse | angry? | 00:34 |
| _Monkey | angry is probably what happens to _Monkey when milhouse drinks all the milk and eats the biscuits | 00:34 |
| pupnik | thoughtfix is the most popular tablet blogger http://tabletblog.com/ | 00:34 |
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| thoughtfix | Heh. Thanks :D | 00:36 |
| pupnik | thoughtfix | 00:36 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that thoughtfix is reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so. | 00:36 |
| pupnik | hahahaha | 00:36 |
| thoughtfix | I am | 00:36 |
| milhouse | Ari is some bloke who works at Nokia, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com | 00:37 |
| thoughtfix | Ari is more than that | 00:37 |
| milhouse | joke :) | 00:37 |
| thoughtfix | He's the Director of Open Source Operations | 00:37 |
| thoughtfix | hahaha | 00:37 |
| pupnik | Ari? | 00:37 |
| _Monkey | i heard Ari was some bloke who works at Nokia, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com | 00:37 |
| milhouse | see? | 00:37 |
| milhouse | I think it works :) | 00:37 |
| milhouse | you can add "is also" and it should append it | 00:38 |
| thoughtfix | Ari and Sari are pretty cool. Had some drinks with them at the press reception at CES | 00:38 |
| konttori | Who's Sari? | 00:38 |
| milhouse | you name dropper, you | 00:38 |
| thoughtfix | Hehehe | 00:38 |
| konttori | Do you remember her title? | 00:39 |
| konttori | hey thoughtfix: did you have a test run of the uktube 0.6? | 00:39 |
| thoughtfix | I have her card at home... um | 00:39 |
| thoughtfix | konttori: Not yet | 00:39 |
| milhouse | ari and sari? | 00:39 |
| thoughtfix | konttori: Later tonight perhaps | 00:39 |
| _Monkey | ari and sari are pretty cool. Had some drinks with them at the press reception at CES | 00:39 |
| konttori | streaming youtube... streaming youtube.... worth the test! | 00:39 |
| milhouse | oooh, you need to be careful what you tell _Monkey! | 00:40 |
| thoughtfix | Oh ... Her title is "Communications Manager" | 00:40 |
| konttori | ahh... cool. | 00:40 |
| milhouse | i'm still dead chuffed that i'm listening to my n800 on BT headphones :) | 00:44 |
| milhouse | i would post in ITT but don't want everyone to be on trevarthans case wanting a finished product :) | 00:45 |
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| thoughtfix | Make a .deb out of it and I'll be happy :D | 00:46 |
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| milhouse | if only i knew how :( | 00:46 |
| pupnik | my ghouliani mashup: Giuliani as Dr. Evil from Austin Powers :) http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=5650 | 00:47 |
| milhouse | to be honest it's not that hard to get working from the instructions on trevarthans site - I rushed a bit and didn't read all of it (same old same old) | 00:47 |
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| rwhitby | konttori: got a direct .deb link for the latest uktube (so I can download it direct from x-chat on n800) ? | 00:47 |
| milhouse | ukmp? | 00:48 |
| _Monkey | well, ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp | 00:48 |
| rwhitby | ah, it's just part of ukmp now? | 00:48 |
| milhouse | i think so - i was looking at it today and wasn't entirely sure | 00:48 |
| milhouse | i could only find a link for ukmp in a blog entry discussing both | 00:48 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1693/UKMP-1.4-uktube0.6beta2.deb | 00:49 |
| rwhitby | thx | 00:49 |
| rhys | :( | 00:49 |
| rhys | my taring died | 00:49 |
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| solmumaha | isn't it possible that next firmware has support for bluetooth headsets? | 00:50 |
| konttori | yeah, uktube and ukmp go hand in hand at the moment. They are together until I get mplayer to output -vo jpeg. | 00:50 |
| konttori | I think it's pretty likely that next firmware will have bt headset support | 00:51 |
| konttori | at least mone | 00:51 |
| konttori | mono | 00:51 |
| konttori | night! | 00:51 |
| konttori | rwithby: do you have mplayer and python installed? | 00:51 |
| milhouse | solmumaha: always a possibility, but doesn't seem likely. if it does appear, then i imagine developers would be quite p!ssed off - the lack of any real information about future updates can and does lead to duplicated nokia and community development | 00:51 |
| konttori | rwitby: sorry for misspelling your name | 00:51 |
| rwhitby | konttori: deleting two files in a row does not bring the next one into the selection box | 00:51 |
| konttori | hmm... at least deleting one will bring the next. Hmm.. odd. | 00:52 |
| konttori | I'll have a test tomorrow, but last time I checked, it worked. | 00:52 |
| rwhitby | yep, one works fine. | 00:52 |
| konttori | ahh... I never tested it with two. | 00:52 |
| solmumaha | well they do have some issues with communication it seems | 00:52 |
| rwhitby | oops, now it shows none in the selection drop-down | 00:53 |
| konttori | Odd.. I would assume same logic. | 00:53 |
| konttori | rwitby: a BUG!!! | 00:53 |
| konttori | I'll fix it tomorrow. | 00:53 |
| rwhitby | konttori: all software has bugs - it's just a matter of finding them :-) | 00:53 |
| konttori | so no two-in-a-row deletions until it's fixed ;) | 00:53 |
| konttori | yeah. | 00:54 |
| milhouse | i find it quite poor that in a supposedly open source project nobody outside Nokia has any real understanding of what will be in the next firmware (just days away) apart from Skye, which may actually be nothing to do with the firmware at all. | 00:54 |
| milhouse | s/Skye/Skype/ | 00:54 |
| infobot_ | milhouse meant: i find it quite poor that in a supposedly open source project nobody outside Nokia has any real understanding of what will be in the next firmware (just days away) apart from Skype, which may actually be nothing to do with the firmware at all. | 00:54 |
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| rwhitby | konttori: can uktube be used to play other media files (and just pass them straight to mplayer)? | 00:54 |
| rhys | a few days away? | 00:54 |
| solmumaha | and judging from itt, not even ppl inside know | 00:55 |
| rwhitby | doh! | 00:55 |
| milhouse | rhys: maybe, possibly... nobody knows for sure (another "communication" issue!!) | 00:55 |
| rhys | does that mean me working on moving my whole FS onto the internal card is useless? | 00:55 |
| solmumaha | and giving false dates is a lot more annoying than complete silence imo :) | 00:56 |
| milhouse | i'm pretty sure there will be a new firmware in July... Fridays are a favourite day for releases | 00:56 |
| milhouse | solmumaha - i said as much in the mailing list, it's like a train that's delayed | 00:57 |
| milhouse | you can have everyone standing around on the platform getting steadily frustrated, or a quick announcement informing everyone it's running 5 minutes late and suddenly everyone is cool again. | 00:57 |
| milhouse | to be fair to nokia though, they never actually announced a date for the firmware in the first place | 00:58 |
| rhys | im just thinking.. my taring died | 00:58 |
| solmumaha | yes, but some of their "employees" have | 00:58 |
| milhouse | they stated Skype would appear "during H1" which most people took to mean new firmware by the end of H1 at the latest | 00:59 |
| rhys | my ext2 fs im putting it on is ~500mb | 00:59 |
| rhys | is that enough for the entire uncompressed fs? | 00:59 |
| milhouse | i've not seen firm dates from anyone, only speculation | 00:59 |
| milhouse | rhys: yes, plenty | 00:59 |
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| unique311 | i have 2 grandcentral invites to give out....anybody? | 01:00 |
| milhouse | only if you include a flight from London to NYC as well :) | 01:01 |
| solmumaha | well one did say thursday without a doubt | 01:01 |
| unique311 | NYC to london for me.. | 01:01 |
| unique311 | tired of NYC | 01:01 |
| pupnik | did you see the new NORML posters around NYC unique311 ? | 01:01 |
| unique311 | heading to manhattan on saturday...i'll let you know. | 01:02 |
| pupnik | they have a picture of Bloomberg saying something like "I tried it ... and enjoyed it!" | 01:03 |
| solmumaha | so, someone mentioned a transcoding upnp server for linux or was i mistaken? | 01:03 |
| rhys | kk ythen. it mustve just died | 01:03 |
| pupnik | maybe mythtv can do it | 01:03 |
| rhys | milhouse, whats grandcentral? | 01:03 |
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| unique311 | pupnik that stuff is not good for your braincells......................... | 01:04 |
| thoughtfix | Damn day job distracting me from IRC | 01:05 |
| milhouse | grandcemtral is a US phone company recently acquired by Google | 01:05 |
| unique311 | yes | 01:05 |
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| rhys | how do you send ctrl+c to osso-xterm? | 01:05 |
| unique311 | not sure but i guess if you have a google account..you can sign up | 01:05 |
| milhouse | sorry - not a phone company, a "communications" company | 01:05 |
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| unique311 | one feature i like...i can set it to ring to my house phone...and answer if i like or let it go to the voicemail... | 01:06 |
| rhys | ph | 01:06 |
| unique311 | they provide you with a voicemail number... | 01:06 |
| rhys | found it | 01:06 |
| milhouse | rhys - pull up the application menu and i think it's on tools | 01:06 |
| milhouse | k | 01:06 |
| rhys | milhouse, that does what? i have a google account | 01:06 |
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| milhouse | i dunno, i guess it's a first step before The Google Phone(tm) | 01:07 |
| unique311 | maybe | 01:07 |
| rhys | heard of google 411? | 01:07 |
| unique311 | but it looks like its invite right now.. | 01:07 |
| thoughtfix | Hmm | 01:07 |
| thoughtfix | Google Phone | 01:08 |
| rhys | milhouse, you can send me one | 01:08 |
| milhouse | i don't have them :) | 01:08 |
| thoughtfix | Hope it's quadband, carrier unlocked, and dual 3G radios | 01:08 |
| rhys | rhys.rhaven (at) gmail :) | 01:08 |
| milhouse | uniqueu311 has the invites :) | 01:08 |
| thoughtfix | Otherwise, it's Evil | 01:08 |
| milhouse | thoughtfix: plus wifi and gps! | 01:08 |
| jpt9 | nokipup: hey. it's me again. | 01:08 |
| jpt9 | nokipup: sdl wants superuser privileges to install. | 01:08 |
| thoughtfix | Hahahaha | 01:08 |
| milhouse | heck, call it a Nokia N95! | 01:09 |
| unique311 | rhys check and see if google is offering sign ups.... | 01:09 |
| thoughtfix | Yes. The google phone needs to be at least 2 pounds to pack in enough features and compatibility to keep the "Don't Be Evil" | 01:09 |
| rhys | im looking | 01:09 |
| unique311 | if not. send me your email address and i'll send you an invite | 01:09 |
| jpt9 | first of all, is there a way to just install the one file dosbox needs separately? if there isn't, what would be the best way of installing the entire sdl package? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | libsdl-net? | 01:10 |
| _Monkey | i guess libsdl-net is http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html | 01:10 |
| jpt9 | yeah. | 01:10 |
| milhouse | so this grandcentral outfit seem to be voip based? | 01:10 |
| rhys | google scares me.. | 01:10 |
| unique311 | not yet.. | 01:11 |
| milhouse | ah no, it seems to be about agregating voicemail boxes | 01:11 |
| unique311 | it just offers you a number for voicemail.. | 01:11 |
| unique311 | you cannot make calls or get call | 01:11 |
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| unique311 | well actually you can get calls. | 01:12 |
| milhouse | right, and aggregating them if you have many voicemail boxes (eg. cell/mobile phone, work phone, blackberry) | 01:12 |
| unique311 | not sure how it works. | 01:12 |
| rhys | i wish gmail would provide imap | 01:12 |
| milhouse | i just read their company history and their founders seminal moment when getting off a plane... http://www.grandcentral.com/about/history/ | 01:12 |
| unique311 | but you provided them with your work, house, or cell number, and when someone calls the voicemail number it forwards to the house, work or cell phone # | 01:13 |
| jpt9 | pupnik: any ideas? | 01:13 |
| pupnik | jpt9: download that and install with dpkg -i libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb | 01:13 |
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| unique311 | rhys sent | 01:14 |
| jpt9 | is that the same one as before? | 01:15 |
| rhys | now that i have the nokia, im gonna need imap. which unfortunatly i cant set up my own server untill i have highspeed at college.. | 01:15 |
| rhys | and an external IP | 01:15 |
| milhouse | daniel - your skype blog is now on planet maemo, i'm not sure how well that's going to go down! ;) | 01:15 |
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| jpt9 | because it's saying "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" | 01:17 |
| jpt9 | and will it work with the onscreen kbd? | 01:17 |
| milhouse | jpt9 - are you root? | 01:17 |
| rhys | yes and yes | 01:17 |
| rhys | you need root | 01:17 |
| jpt9 | no. | 01:17 |
| jpt9 | oh. | 01:17 |
| milhouse | root == superuser | 01:18 |
| jpt9 | can't that possibly screw it up? | 01:18 |
| milhouse | if you make a mistake, yes | 01:18 |
| milhouse | but as long as you're careful you should be ok | 01:18 |
| milhouse | worst you can do is screw it up so bad you need to reflash it | 01:18 |
| jpt9 | are you sure? | 01:18 |
| milhouse | yep | 01:19 |
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| jpt9 | is there any way to temporarily enable root? I know about su and sudo, but you have to actually *enable* root on the 770... | 01:19 |
| jpt9 | so is there any way to temporarily enable it? | 01:19 |
| milhouse | you can become root while you install dpkg | 01:19 |
| milhouse | sorry, run dpk | 01:20 |
| milhouse | install becomeroot | 01:20 |
| milhouse | then run "sudo gainroot" to become root, run dpkg then type "exit" to drop back to the normal non privileged user | 01:20 |
| jpt9 | what does installing becomeroot do? | 01:20 |
| milhouse | it modifies the gainroot script to allow you become the root user without setting the R&D device flags | 01:21 |
| milhouse | it's safe | 01:21 |
| pupnik | doesn't seem to be in bora | 01:21 |
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| pupnik | i have to ssh into the device for root right now | 01:21 |
| milhouse | the other option is to enable the R&D device flags using the flasher utility | 01:21 |
| jpt9 | then what's up with this message on the developer's page: WARNING: This packages could brick the device (by touching /usr/sbin/gainroot). DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: it's a third party deb | 01:21 |
| thoughtfix | Yes... download and install a package called becomeroot | 01:21 |
| milhouse | pupnik - that's the other option | 01:21 |
| jpt9 | if i uninstall it, will it be the same as before? | 01:22 |
| pupnik | works fine so eh.. | 01:22 |
| milhouse | jpt9 - that i don't know as i don't use becomeroot (i leave the R&D flags enabled) but it will do no harm if you leave it enabled | 01:22 |
| jpt9 | oh. | 01:22 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: SSH is a massive overhead for the N800's tiny little processor though | 01:22 |
| jpt9 | does dosbox work with the onscreen keyboard? | 01:22 |
| pupnik | nope | 01:23 |
| jpt9 | oh. | 01:23 |
| jpt9 | in that case there's no point in me installing it. | 01:23 |
| jpt9 | i don't have a BT keyboard :-( | 01:23 |
| jpt9 | anyone know of a cheap BT keyboard? | 01:24 |
| jpt9 | preferably something small (laptop-style; doesn't need to be folding). | 01:24 |
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| pupnik | nokia makes one. i use the thinkoutside stowaway BT | 01:25 |
| jpt9 | ah. | 01:25 |
| jpt9 | how much are they? | 01:26 |
| pupnik | http://betoni.aivo.com/betoni58.mp3 stream: beautiful mellow IDM (electronica) | 01:26 |
| jpt9 | I paid $130 for my 770, so most of the keyboards cost almost as much as the device itself :-) | 01:26 |
| gla55_ | i got a stowaway too.. i'd much prefer the version that has the numbers row | 01:26 |
| pupnik | i paid about 100 euro - cheaper in USA | 01:26 |
| thoughtfix | Heh. Comment I just got on my N800 Internet Calling video: The only thing that can compete with the iPhone | 01:27 |
| solmumaha | bt devices aren't usually cheap except for the dongle itself | 01:27 |
| milhouse | thoughtfix - not really sure that's true but nice all the same :) | 01:27 |
| thoughtfix | I have both the Stowaway and the Mini Stowaway. The bigger Stowaway is MUCH nicer, but also much bigger | 01:28 |
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| gla55_ | most hc iphone fanboys don't seem to know jacques schitt about whats on the market | 01:28 |
| gla55_ | i'd like the stowaway sierra | 01:29 |
| * Jaffa looks forward to the theoretical paradigm shift in Maemo software which'll let it *really* compete with the iPhone as an end-user device. | 01:29 | |
| gla55_ | Jaffa: let's remove package management. it's confusing | 01:29 |
| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/05/stowaway-sierra-bluetooth-folding.html | 01:29 |
| milhouse | and those third party applications, what a nightmare ;) | 01:30 |
| * Jaffa looks forward to having proper package management then... | 01:30 | |
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| Jaffa | milhouse: you know as well as I do that probably 50% (if not more) of N800 users never install any other software. | 01:30 |
| milhouse | well if Skype is a third party download that could change | 01:30 |
| milhouse | I dare say you are correct at the moment, but that could easily change | 01:31 |
| Jaffa | Maybe. Active communities have a tendency to overestimate their numbers and the interest that inactive users have in the topic. | 01:31 |
| thoughtfix | if the iPhone had a 3G connection, supported Bluetooth DUN and Bluetooth A2DP profiles, I would've purchased it. | 01:32 |
| Jaffa | (IME) | 01:32 |
| milhouse | Rhapsody on an unlimited internet data plan is a killer application for something like the N800 (just a shame it's US only), same with Skype - potential killer app | 01:32 |
| milhouse | the problem with the n800 is that it's not as sexy as the iphone - functionality it beats it into the ground. | 01:33 |
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| thoughtfix | milhouse: I have a post due Jul 16 comparing all the US phone carriers and their 3G connections, Bluetooth DUN support, and Terms of Service. | 01:33 |
| Jaffa | UK phone plans tend to have more free minutes than you can possibly use; less so for data. I'm not entirely convinced when *I'd* use my N800 for any form of voice/video-based communication when I've *always* got my phone with me. | 01:33 |
| thoughtfix | Sprint got back to me. I haven't talked to Verizon yet because I am going to torpedo them for their support and TOS, and I'm still waiting for responses from T-Mobile, AT&T, Alltel, and Helio | 01:34 |
| milhouse | i won't argue with that, but I thought Rhapsody was great and would work really well on a 3G connection | 01:34 |
| milhouse | why carry gigabytes of mp3s when you have 3 million tracks at your fingertips? | 01:34 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: indeed, and my original comment was not referring to the functionality; but the *quality*. Ignoring the fact that everything looks like a cheap desktop knock-off with way-too-large fonts, the RSS reader is still crap; *hopefully* Modest will be decent; the applications aren't interconnected and usable etc. | 01:35 |
| milhouse | Jaffa: Absolutely, and the quality issue is why the iPhone is "sexier" than the N800 | 01:35 |
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| rhys | anyone hack a wifi antenna or better yet, an external antenna jack to the n800/n770? | 01:35 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: yeah, but some kind of local sync (i.e. stream at > 1x speed) would be cool to handle reception black spots. | 01:35 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: Indeed. Apple can build good hardware, build good software *and* market it. | 01:36 |
| thoughtfix | rhys: The gold square on the inside of the device is the antenna. Good luck soldering a dipole to that ;) | 01:36 |
| milhouse | yeah, in the 2 weeks I could use Rhapsody it was obvioust that it needed to pre-buffer the tracks - there was several seconds delay when one track ended and the other started, which shouldn't be necessary (multi threaded background buffering etc. of the data) | 01:36 |
| rhys | oh well. :(. the 7dbi mag mount omni i have for my senao card will just have to wait. | 01:37 |
| rhys | :D | 01:37 |
| thoughtfix | Rhapsody would be great if it had local caching | 01:37 |
| milhouse | Jaffa - yep, that's kind of been why i've ranted a bit on the mailing list about the lack of hype being generated about the upcoming firmware, it's just sooo laid back | 01:37 |
| Jaffa | All of this stuff is *easy*, Apple aren't /generally/ that innovative, they're just good integrators and good UI designers. I wonder why so many companies are so bad at it. | 01:37 |
| rhys | milhouse, why do you need hype? | 01:37 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: indeed, it was a good point | 01:37 |
| milhouse | rhys: someone hacked an external antennae on a 770, check the itt forums | 01:37 |
| milhouse | rhys: why not? | 01:37 |
| milhouse | :) | 01:37 |
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| Jaffa | rhys; more hype => more people aware of the device => more users => more developers => more applications => better competition => better applications => more users => more developers => ... | 01:38 |
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| rhys | Jaffa, I didnt even know about the nokia untill i searched for it. and it happened to be on linuxdevices. | 01:38 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, I could rant all night about a theoretical business I ran with infinite resources, but I should probably bed. | 01:39 |
| thoughtfix | Not necessarily, Jaffa. The original Palm Pilots were barely hyped at all... but they were such well-designed devices for the time that the developers flocked to them. | 01:39 |
| rhys | -everyone- has heard about the iPhone.... | 01:39 |
| Jaffa | rhys: exactly. | 01:39 |
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| milhouse | cya jaffa - fingers crossed for new firmware tomorrow :) | 01:39 |
| Jaffa | thoughtfix: hype doesn't have to be manufacturer-led, of course. | 01:39 |
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| rhys | Jaffa, i think that your having hope that is to be crushed. People and technology are stupidity. absolutely pathetic. | 01:40 |
| milhouse | i think in the case of the new firmware, nokia should be publicising the new and improved features that are coming | 01:40 |
| thoughtfix | Good point. The Internet of 1996 is very different from the Internet of today. The hype machines were word-of-mouth. | 01:40 |
| Jaffa | thoughtfix: in that case (and I'll take your word for it, I had a Psion Series 5 and was happy ;-)) the developers hyped the device to other developers (I'd bet, anyway) and that led to more devices being sold => more users => more developers etc. The loop can start at any point, and once you've got critical mass - boom. | 01:40 |
| milhouse | seeing as they won't tell anybody what's new and improved in the new firmware, Nokia have to lead the hype - we'd help if we knew what was coming. | 01:41 |
| rhys | i asked one girl if she had an mp3 player. shes said, no...whats that? i told her it plays music. she then pulls out her iPod. then she asked me who made the mp thingy | 01:41 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: agreed. | 01:41 |
| pupnik | rhys is right. MS-DOS / Windows 3.1 | 01:41 |
| Jaffa | g'night. | 01:43 |
| unique311 | mp thingy | 01:43 |
| unique311 | lol | 01:43 |
| unique311 | classic | 01:43 |
| rhys | >:|} | 01:44 |
| unique311 | scary but classic | 01:44 |
| rhys | unique311, ive had people understand ubuntu as "oh, cheap windows" | 01:44 |
| thoughtfix | Good point. | 01:45 |
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| rhys | the tar command dies on /usr/share/sounds | 01:45 |
| thoughtfix | milhouse: Remember IT2006? They hinted at a few things (thumbboard, GTalk) but gave us a few surprises as well (voice calls, swap file) | 01:46 |
| unique311 | AnF girl brand rep told me shows are suppose to be taken every 3 days........... | 01:46 |
| unique311 | showers* | 01:46 |
| milhouse | thoughtfix - indeed, but why was the secrecy and coyness necessary? | 01:48 |
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| thoughtfix | Remember Scotty on Star Trek? Remember his appearance in Star Trek: The Next Generation? | 01:49 |
| milhouse | you're wierding me out now... I'm not a Trekky :) | 01:49 |
| * Jaffa wonders if thoughtfix is equating the N800 to a Relic ;-) | 01:50 | |
| rhys | does anyone know why tar does on .wav files? | 01:50 |
| thoughtfix | Okay - | 01:50 |
| thoughtfix | Scot said it's better for an engineer to under-promise and over-deliver | 01:50 |
| milhouse | i'm all for that - that's how I operate at work, but I can still promise some things! | 01:50 |
| thoughtfix | If Nokia promised Skype, Skype Video, Bluetooth A2DP, and 30 FPS Flash support and could not deliver Skype Video, people would bash them. | 01:51 |
| thoughtfix | If they promised Skype and delivered Skype and Bluetooth A2DP, people would praise them | 01:51 |
| thoughtfix | And rofl@jaffa for knowing the episode name | 01:51 |
| milhouse | there comes a time during development when you're pretty sure whats going into the release and what's not | 01:51 |
| * Jaffa couldn't get the "s" in. | 01:51 | |
| Jaffa | milhouse++; usually right at the start | 01:51 |
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| Jaffa | You don't invest X weeks of development time on something unless you know you can do it. I'm currently having to do prototypes at work to prove we *can* (I think) do what we've said we think we can do, this is way way WAY before any potential release. | 01:52 |
| milhouse | Jaffa - well yeah, but that list is usually a bit longer than the list at the end (although scarily it's sometimes the other way around too!) :) | 01:52 |
| thoughtfix | milhouse: True, but why spill ALL the beans until you're ready to deliver? | 01:52 |
| Jaffa | Similarly, the rough release date is known. | 01:52 |
| milhouse | hype? sales? | 01:52 |
| thoughtfix | Read the last conversation http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708764/quotes | 01:53 |
| milhouse | also, judging by the build dates of the firmware they're QA'ing a final build for up to 6 weeks... plenty of time to make a few leaks to bloggers, press etc. | 01:53 |
| rhys | :( | 01:53 |
| thoughtfix | trust me, milhouse ... I'm trying | 01:54 |
| Jaffa | Hell, *use* the community to do some damn testing on the bloody things. If we're getting one firmware release every 6 months, I'd like them to be as bug free as possible. | 01:54 |
| milhouse | hehe... s/star fleet captain/users/ | 01:54 |
| thoughtfix | I have my lips so firmly planted between the cheeks of Skype and Nokia just to try to extract little nuggets of extra info. | 01:54 |
| thoughtfix | Please don't visualize that. | 01:54 |
| pupnik | too late | 01:54 |
| milhouse | too late... eugh... thanks | 01:55 |
| * outtolunc checks youtube for the video of it | 01:55 | |
| thoughtfix | rofl | 01:55 |
| rhys | damnit | 01:55 |
| rhys | thats twice | 01:55 |
| thoughtfix | Hmm? | 01:55 |
| rhys | thoughtfix, tar causes the nokia to lock up. | 01:56 |
| rhys | it dies on the .wav files in /usr/share/sounds | 01:56 |
| milhouse | have you tried gnu tar? | 01:56 |
| rhys | i http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 01:56 |
| milhouse | i think the busybox tar has a few issues | 01:56 |
| rhys | im following this | 01:57 |
| milhouse | right, so you should have gnu tar already? | 01:57 |
| rhys | apt-get -d install tar, dpkg -x tar*.deb /tar-tmp, | 01:57 |
| rhys | yes? | 01:57 |
| milhouse | yes | 01:57 |
| rhys | /tar-temp/bin/tar cf - -C /floppy . | /tar-temp/bin/tar xvf - -C /opt << thats the command that freezes | 01:58 |
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| rhys | i cant use cp -pr to duplicate that can I? | 01:59 |
| rhys | or send the tar archive somewhere else? | 01:59 |
| rhys | im not sure if it dies on reading or writing | 02:00 |
| unique311 | k, i think i'm addicted to ninja warrior. | 02:00 |
| milhouse | rhys: the command you're using is the most efficient method | 02:00 |
| milhouse | cp i don't think will work | 02:00 |
| rhys | except if it doesnt work | 02:00 |
| milhouse | well yes, but it should | 02:01 |
| rhys | it doesnt. i think its in writing to the card. | 02:01 |
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| milhouse | and you could tar to an archive file then unarchive in two distinct stages, but it will take longer, might be worth a try | 02:01 |
| milhouse | is your card OK - what make/brand is it? | 02:01 |
| milhouse | is the device locking up, or just the tar process - can you see what state it's in? | 02:02 |
| rhys | the device is perfect | 02:02 |
| rhys | the tar proccess | 02:02 |
| rhys | milhouse, thats actually what im thinking | 02:02 |
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| rhys | tar -cvf /media/mmc1/filesystem.tar -C /floppy . | 02:03 |
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| rhys | thats to the external 4gb card i have | 02:03 |
| rhys | take it and the 2gb out to my lappy | 02:03 |
| rhys | and unextract it with my lappy to the 2gb card | 02:03 |
| milhouse | worth a shot | 02:04 |
| rhys | though, why -C /floppy . | 02:05 |
| rhys | instead of just /floppy | 02:05 |
| rhys | ? | 02:05 |
| milhouse | floppy is mounting the rootfs again, -C changes to that directory before tarring the contents (.) | 02:06 |
| rhys | i know it changes directory... | 02:07 |
| milhouse | it's kind of like tarring / but means you avoid all the other mounted filesystems | 02:07 |
| rhys | ah | 02:07 |
| rhys | equivilant would be "tar cvf /blah/fs.tar /floppy/* ? | 02:07 |
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| milhouse | yes, but then when you untar it will be /floppy | 02:08 |
| milhouse | by switching into /floppy, you don't have /floppy as a prefix for the archived files | 02:08 |
| rhys | lets try it then | 02:08 |
| milhouse | my terminology is sketchy here, but there's a big difference when you -C into /floppy rather than tar /floppy | 02:09 |
| rhys | im still learning alot milhouse. this is actually what im lined up to do for a living. | 02:09 |
| eop | hm, i installed kismet and its no where to be found | 02:09 |
| rhys | embedded electrical engineering | 02:09 |
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| rhys | eop, dpkg -l? | 02:09 |
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| eop | hm, i havent gotten root on the 770 though | 02:10 |
| eop | necessary to use kismet? | 02:10 |
| rhys | pretty sure | 02:11 |
| milhouse | rhys: sounds fun :) | 02:11 |
| rhys | in the kismet.conf you set the user id that it sus into once it does something or other as root | 02:11 |
| milhouse | eop - yes, you need root to run kismet. the nomral users PATH won't find it | 02:11 |
| milhouse | or be able to execute it | 02:11 |
| rhys | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device mmc2 << if i dont use ask:, when i remove the internal card, will it automaticly boot from internal flash? | 02:11 |
| milhouse | should do | 02:12 |
| eop | k, thanks | 02:12 |
| rhys | on /usr/lib now. | 02:12 |
| rhys | sbin.. | 02:12 |
| rhys | /usr/share/mime.... | 02:12 |
| rhys | :( | 02:12 |
| thoughtfix | Heh | 02:13 |
| thoughtfix | I just Emailed my PR rep at Skype | 02:13 |
| rhys | in the "display" options, theres a checkbox to "display LED lights" | 02:14 |
| thoughtfix | Gave him my cell number and invited him to call me at any time of day or night with news. He will. | 02:14 |
| rhys | what leds light? | 02:14 |
| rhys | thoughtfix, got a good friend/ | 02:14 |
| rhys | ? | 02:14 |
| thoughtfix | Skype is excited about the N800 too | 02:15 |
| rhys | ill put skype on, but ill use gizmo. skype is closed source. | 02:15 |
| thoughtfix | Well | 02:16 |
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| thoughtfix | I just mentioned that on tabletblog | 02:16 |
| rhys | w00t. i think the taring worked now | 02:16 |
| thoughtfix | The importance of Skype on the N800 is comparable to the importance of YouTube on the iPhone - It's not about what it offers per se - it's about appealing to an already in-demand user base | 02:17 |
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| rhys | thoughtfix, no, i love that it supports it. its a great thing for nokia and the devices. just not a big deal to me. i will try to convert everyone i know to gizmo if thats the way we talk. | 02:18 |
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| TimRiker | does gizmo do video? | 02:19 |
| rhys | someone packaged google earth for zenwalk. id like them to do the same for nvidia. i use the nvidia drivers on linux. the nokia though has finally shown me though how wonderful opensource is. If at all possible, I will try to use the opensource alternative to everything. | 02:20 |
| TimRiker | any update on skype for the n800? | 02:20 |
| solmumaha | tomorrow ;) | 02:20 |
| rhys | which means im gonna have to do this again | 02:22 |
| rhys | great | 02:22 |
| milhouse | consider it practice :) | 02:23 |
| rhys | tar extracts to the current directory right? | 02:24 |
| milhouse | normally | 02:24 |
| milhouse | yes | 02:24 |
| rhys | cd /opt; tar xvf /media/mmc1/fs.tar | 02:24 |
| milhouse | yep | 02:25 |
| milhouse | have a look at it first - tar tvf | 02:25 |
| milhouse | if every file is prefixed with /floppy you have a problem | 02:25 |
| rhys | tvf is so useful when making slack packages | 02:26 |
| rhys | nope. . | 02:26 |
| rhys | :D | 02:26 |
| milhouse | good :) | 02:26 |
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| rhys | poor poor me. i first booted slackware 9.1, first distro ever. init 3..yay. got into a terminal...now what. dir worked. thats all i knew. :( | 02:27 |
| eop | do i need dropbear.deb or dropbear from a repository to gainroot? | 02:27 |
| rhys | eop, no no.. | 02:28 |
| rhys | add osso-xterm | 02:28 |
| rhys | gainroot | 02:28 |
| rhys | run xterm, type sudo gainroot | 02:28 |
| rhys | viola | 02:28 |
| milhouse | you need becomeroot package installed to use gainroot | 02:28 |
| rhys | is it become root? | 02:28 |
| milhouse | one word i think | 02:29 |
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| milhouse | it's listed in the app manager | 02:29 |
| milhouse | then install xterm | 02:29 |
| rhys | yep. becomeroot | 02:29 |
| eop | yeah i installed that | 02:29 |
| milhouse | then sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh (or dropbear) | 02:29 |
| eop | reading this tutorial it says something about sshing to myself | 02:29 |
| milhouse | not sure what tutorial that is, but it's possible they're saying ssh into the device as root (-l root) and enter the root password | 02:30 |
| milhouse | it's another way of becoming root, not my preferred route I must admit, as some users prefer to disable logins on the root account for security reasons | 02:30 |
| eop | its from this tutorial | 02:31 |
| eop | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 | 02:31 |
| rhys | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 02:31 |
| rhys | try that | 02:31 |
| milhouse | that's pretty out of date | 02:31 |
| milhouse | the first one | 02:31 |
| milhouse | just install becomeroot, xterm, open xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh and then you're pretty much all set | 02:32 |
| pupnik | i love the /lastlog command | 02:32 |
| rhys | milhouse, i think he was trying to run kismet? | 02:32 |
| eop | do i need the apt-get ssh | 02:33 |
| eop | i just wanted kismet running | 02:33 |
| milhouse | no, forget ssh if you don't intend to connect from another box | 02:33 |
| eop | k, thanks again | 02:33 |
| milhouse | i find it a lot easier to work "on" the n800 by connecting from another PC :) | 02:33 |
| milhouse | in order to run kismet, get root (sudo gainroot) then execute "kismet" at the command line... make sure you have wifi disconnected at this point :) | 02:34 |
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| milhouse | time for bed... see you tomorrow chaps | 02:37 |
| pupnik | kismet+flite+headphones = score | 02:37 |
| pupnik | cu milhouse | 02:37 |
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| Andy80 | hi again | 02:37 |
| rhys | damnit | 02:38 |
| dick-richardson | nano isn't working. I'm getting 'nano: symbol lookup error: /lib/libslang.so.2: undefined symbol: tgetent' | 02:38 |
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| pupnik | version mismatch? | 02:39 |
| dick-richardson | that's my guess...what's the best way to troubleshoot it? | 02:40 |
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| dick-richardson | oh, just reading the previous comments, you can use just ssh to gain root access...once root just set a new passwd for the root acc't and for user | 02:41 |
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| jpt9 | i have a bunch of Skype packages in my app catalog. | 02:42 |
| jpt9 | with a maintainer of fixme@nokia.com. | 02:43 |
| jpt9 | they don't install (i'm running 2007HE on a 770)... | 02:43 |
| jpt9 | but does this mean Skype is coming soon? | 02:43 |
| dick-richardson | I've got 'em too | 02:44 |
| jpt9 | do they work yet? | 02:44 |
| dick-richardson | not gonna try until I hear officially...I need this thing to work :P | 02:44 |
| jpt9 | yeah... | 02:44 |
| jpt9 | any chance it'll work on a 770 with 2007HE? | 02:44 |
| Andy80 | I hope they release it for 770 too :( | 02:44 |
| jpt9 | me too! | 02:44 |
| jpt9 | quick... make a petition! | 02:45 |
| rhys | so it works now | 02:46 |
| dick-richardson | my problem w/skype is they don't have a local number for me :( | 02:46 |
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| rhys | i did it on my machine | 02:47 |
| rhys | but oddly enough, tar printed at the very end this | 02:47 |
| rhys | d kismet running | 02:47 |
| rhys | <milhouse> no, forget s | 02:47 |
| rhys | opps | 02:47 |
| rhys | tar: .: implausibly old time stamp 1969-12-31 19:00:00 | 02:47 |
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| Andy80 | dick-richardson: about local numbers I've no problem... I use the Eutelia Voip here in italy, they give you up to 100 free local numbers :) | 02:49 |
| Andy80 | I use it with Gizmo | 02:49 |
| pupnik | I'd like a clock applet that displays in the screen border somewhere | 02:52 |
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| rhys | gizmo is sip compliant | 03:06 |
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| rhys | oh hell | 03:08 |
| rhys | i screwed up | 03:08 |
| Dmnhunter | can anybody give me a good link for setting up either kismet or metasploit on n770 please? | 03:08 |
| rhys | http://www.erratasec.com/meta-n800.html | 03:10 |
| rhys | havnt used it | 03:10 |
| eop | Is btscanner supposed to open a window if no bluetooth devices are in range? | 03:11 |
| rhys | i just nearly bricked my nokia | 03:11 |
| Dmnhunter | how rhys | 03:12 |
| rhys | tried to run the initfs reflasher for a boot menu | 03:12 |
| rhys | it died and wouldnt boot | 03:12 |
| rhys | so i just reflashed the whole thing | 03:12 |
| Dmnhunter | wow | 03:12 |
| Dmnhunter | that link looks good rhys | 03:13 |
| Dmnhunter | got one for kismet? | 03:13 |
| rhys | nope | 03:13 |
| rhys | try this | 03:15 |
| rhys | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10533-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=32733&messageID=603107 | 03:15 |
| Dmnhunter | thanks | 03:15 |
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| rhys | anyone know where i can get the modified initfs to just flash? | 03:21 |
| rhys | i dont trust the user tools | 03:21 |
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| rhys | anyone know how to change the whole hand of god thing | 03:42 |
| rhys | ? | 03:42 |
| pupnik | kismet is pretty much ? | 03:42 |
| pupnik | ignore that pls | 03:42 |
| rhys | its cool, but i would perfer something like the disturbed demon or linux penguin or something | 03:42 |
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| rhys | woot | 03:47 |
| rhys | it fooking works | 03:47 |
| rhys | yay | 03:47 |
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| ericz | running my own home shoutcast server makes the internet radio applet so much better :) no need to get a bigger card to store music on. | 03:49 |
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| yzf600 | hey all | 04:23 |
| yzf600 | Perhaps I overlooked something, but I can't find a samba client for the 770. The only NFS client I've see is with a entire new flash download, which I'm not too keen on using | 04:24 |
| yzf600 | is there a samba client? | 04:25 |
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| yzf600 | yzf600: yes there is a samba client | 04:27 |
| yzf600 | yzf600: http://blog.david.connolly.name/2006/05/cifs-module-for-nokia-770.html | 04:27 |
| yzf600 | I'm starting to hate my 64MB mmc card | 04:28 |
| yzf600 | time to fork out $20 for a 1gb card | 04:29 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.janerob.com/rob/MaemoOnGentoo.html | 04:49 |
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| ChannelZ | Anyone know how to get libusb installed on a Nokia 770? | 05:00 |
| ChannelZ | I added repository.maemo.org to my list where it seems to reside but the application catalog seems to not find a single thing new | 05:02 |
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| locokaizo | hi all | 05:16 |
| locokaizo | need some help with partitioning MMC | 05:16 |
| locokaizo | stuck at mke2fs step, says not found | 05:17 |
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| Trencher | blah | 05:21 |
| pupnik_ | One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth | 05:21 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1183780800&en=e3760aa7d1b5022a&ei=5070 | 05:21 |
| Trencher | wow | 05:21 |
| Trencher | activity | 05:21 |
| Trencher | unexpected in a IRC channel | 05:21 |
| pupnik_ | please god, take away their nukes | 05:21 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 05:21 |
| Trencher | please god, take away our nukes. i agree | 05:21 |
| Trencher | but everyone else's as well | 05:22 |
| pupnik_ | Ah well | 05:22 |
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| pupnik_ | New n770 user Trencher? | 05:22 |
| Trencher | kind of | 05:22 |
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| Trencher | been messing around | 05:23 |
| Trencher | couple of questions not answered elsewhere | 05:23 |
| pupnik_ | locokaizo: 770 or 800? | 05:23 |
| _Monkey | 802 | 05:23 |
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| Trencher | and I love idling in another room | 05:23 |
| pupnik_ | i'll try to help | 05:23 |
| Trencher | who knows? maybe someone'll ask something i can actually fix | 05:23 |
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| Trencher | pupnik: what model u have? | 05:24 |
| pupnik_ | 770 | 05:24 |
| Trencher | is that question like the a/s/l of this channel? | 05:24 |
| Trencher | lol | 05:24 |
| Trencher | use the 2007 os? | 05:24 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 05:24 |
| locokaizo | hi it's a 770 | 05:24 |
| Trencher | loco: what's the problem? | 05:25 |
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| [yzf600] | How well does the 2007 osprey work on a 770? | 05:25 |
| Trencher | pupnik: is there always supposed to be a usb icon indicating "PC connection active"? | 05:25 |
| locokaizo | I'm trying to run the everything from the mmc and going through the steps right now | 05:25 |
| Trencher | is that supposed to be faster? | 05:26 |
| Trencher | i'm thinking about it.. | 05:26 |
| locokaizo | I'm stuck at setting the second partition | 05:26 |
| locokaizo | mke2fs | 05:26 |
| [yzf600] | Osprey = os - dang complete bar messing with my space bar | 05:26 |
| locokaizo | mke2fs: not found | 05:26 |
| pupnik_ | i see /sbin/mkfs.msdos and mkfs/vfat | 05:26 |
| Trencher | yzf: it works ok.. a little buggy, but it's a unofficial port.. | 05:27 |
| Trencher | also, any luck getting LXDoom to work? | 05:31 |
| [yzf600] | I have, but with 2006 os | 05:32 |
| pupnik_ | runs fine - annoying to play | 05:32 |
| locokaizo | yeah it's hard to get used to | 05:33 |
| [yzf600] | Agreed - hard to play | 05:33 |
| Trencher | hmmm | 05:33 |
| [yzf600] | Not really worth playing | 05:33 |
| Trencher | i can't get it to start | 05:33 |
| Trencher | and i love torturous controls | 05:33 |
| locokaizo | it would be better if that mouse area is span through out the screen | 05:33 |
| dick-richardson | Are the Ubuntu boys trying to port to the n800? http://swik.net/maemo+Ubuntu | 05:34 |
| [yzf600] | Or some screen/dir pad mix | 05:34 |
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| [yzf600] | Is the 800 have a faster processor? | 05:35 |
| dick-richardson | yes, slightly | 05:35 |
| locokaizo | or tap to shoot, but you might put a hole through your screen | 05:35 |
| dick-richardson | more memory is the real upgrade | 05:35 |
| [yzf600] | Oh - how much officer an upgrade ? | 05:35 |
| thoughtfix | [yzf600]: http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html | 05:36 |
| dick-richardson | 770 has...64??? n800 has 256 | 05:36 |
| [yzf600] | Not bad | 05:36 |
| locokaizo | pupnik: is this response "/sbin/mkfs.msdos and mkfs/vfat" for me? | 05:37 |
| dick-richardson | it's clearly prettier, too /flame | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | locokaizo: yes, those are the only mkfs i have on 770 (it2007 though) | 05:37 |
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| locokaizo | I'm sorry I don't know what to do with that... | 05:38 |
| pupnik_ | you might have to format the card on a PC card reader | 05:38 |
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| locokaizo | and then start over? | 05:39 |
| locokaizo | thoughtfix: are you the one from tabletblog? | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | thoughtfix? | 05:40 |
| _Monkey | thoughtfix is, like, reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | heheh | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 05:40 |
| thoughtfix | haha | 05:41 |
| dick-richardson | you've been outed ;) | 05:41 |
| thoughtfix | yes | 05:41 |
| locokaizo | that's awsome | 05:41 |
| locokaizo | I don't think I've ever run into someone I don't know twice on the web ever | 05:42 |
| locokaizo | you're awsome man, I've been reading your blog since the woot deal | 05:42 |
| dick-richardson | may I ask...what's with woot? what does it mean, where did it come from? | 05:44 |
| Trencher | We Own Other Teams.. think it was started in counterstrike | 05:44 |
| dick-richardson | used in reference to the nokia tablets now, I'm guessing? | 05:45 |
| pupnik_ | there is speculation woot bought up 8000 770s from a closed retailer | 05:45 |
| locokaizo | no, woot.com is where I bought my 770 from | 05:46 |
| Trencher | then used as a exclamation of excitement.. W00T! | 05:46 |
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| Trencher | the site is a site that sells one item per day until it is sold out. usually at ridiculously low prices | 05:46 |
| pupnik_ | lowest price i found in germany for a 770 is $312 | 05:47 |
| Trencher | ouch | 05:47 |
| pupnik_ | we get screwed on electronics | 05:47 |
| Trencher | what's the min wage there, in USD? | 05:47 |
| pupnik_ | often, not always | 05:47 |
| pupnik_ | there is none | 05:48 |
| Trencher | gah | 05:48 |
| pupnik_ | the tax wedge on a single cycle is about 75% | 05:48 |
| pupnik_ | as reported by the OECD | 05:48 |
| locokaizo | there seems to be more people now, can I ask about the mke2fs one more time? I'm not real sure of what to do. | 05:49 |
| pupnik_ | i think it's 45% in the usa | 05:49 |
| locokaizo | what if I reformat the mmc and then get stuck again at the mke2fs step? | 05:50 |
| Trencher | pupnik: is there always supposed to be a usb icon indicating "PC connection active"? | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know | 05:55 |
| Trencher | do you have one? | 05:55 |
| pupnik_ | locokaizo: i couldn't find a mke2fs - maybe you can apt-get it | 05:55 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 05:55 |
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| Trencher | meh | 05:55 |
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| pupnik_ | just connected - saw the icon | 05:56 |
| Trencher | lol hook it up to comp, disconnect, and 3 errors later, gone | 05:56 |
| Trencher | i mean it wasn't connected at all and the icon was there | 05:57 |
| Trencher | even after a restart | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | Trencher: do you have programs open that are using mmc? | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 05:57 |
| Trencher | i have nothing open | 05:57 |
| Trencher | meh, got rid of it | 05:57 |
| Trencher | bugs will be bugs | 05:58 |
| Trencher | does the os run faster off the mmc? | 05:58 |
| locokaizo | that's what they say | 05:59 |
| locokaizo | since the data isn't compressed | 05:59 |
| locokaizo | and the transfer rate is faster for the mmc mobile anyway | 06:00 |
| Trencher | ... but then doesn't that make it impossible to put stuff on the mmc w/o turning it off? | 06:00 |
| locokaizo | what do you mean? you have a usb cable don't you? | 06:01 |
| Trencher | yeah | 06:01 |
| Trencher | but if the os runs off the mmc | 06:01 |
| Trencher | then the mmc will always be in use | 06:02 |
| Trencher | so the 770 won't mount it as usb | 06:02 |
| locokaizo | I don't know, that's too technical for me | 06:02 |
| locokaizo | I just read the wiki and take it to be true | 06:03 |
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| locokaizo | the people who write the wiki seem like they know what they're talking aobut and readers seem to agree | 06:04 |
| locokaizo | I just wish they could dumb it down even more for absolute beginners like me | 06:05 |
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| locokaizo | things like "becoming root". what does that mean? | 06:05 |
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| pupnik_ | getting administrator access | 06:06 |
| pupnik_ | root = administrator or 'super user' | 06:07 |
| locokaizo | oh, I see | 06:07 |
| locokaizo | I just follow the direction until I get stuck | 06:07 |
| pupnik_ | nothing wrong with that | 06:08 |
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| locokaizo | until the reaction isn't the same as what's suppose to happen | 06:08 |
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| locokaizo | with the little adapter on the mmc card, does that make the mmc the same as the SD card? | 06:10 |
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| locokaizo | it looks the same, I'm wondering if I can use my camera to format it because I don't have a card reader | 06:11 |
| locokaizo | pupnik, you said I had to format it with a reader/writer right? | 06:11 |
| dick-richardson | is there a maemo port of dosbox? | 06:11 |
| pupnik_ | i said you could try it | 06:12 |
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| pupnik_ | dick-richardson: do you have a bluetooth keyboard? | 06:12 |
| dick-richardson | very soon | 06:12 |
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| dick-richardson | I take it the on screen doesn't come up? | 06:12 |
| locokaizo | that didn't sound very confident. hmmm I just got the 2GB card today too... man... | 06:13 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 06:13 |
| Trencher | ok | 06:13 |
| Trencher | i'm going to try this mmc booting stuff | 06:13 |
| Trencher | gotta unload my card first | 06:14 |
| dick-richardson | thank you! | 06:14 |
| Trencher | pupnik: do you boot from card? | 06:14 |
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| pupnik_ | no, it sounded too complicated | 06:15 |
| pupnik_ | dick-richardson: you might need libsdl-net | 06:15 |
| Trencher | it looks pretty simple | 06:15 |
| Trencher | just a lot of typing | 06:15 |
| dick-richardson | pupnik_: sounds good. i'm looking forward to getting the keyboard. wizardry vii on the n800...? little slice of heaven | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | i tried it verrrrrry slow | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | dosbox gives you about 4.77-12 mhz PC/AT equivalent | 06:17 |
| dick-richardson | wizardry vii? | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | yes i think 7 or 8 | 06:18 |
| dick-richardson | I'm more impressed someone else has heard of it :P | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | the one where you start out on this alien planet | 06:18 |
| dick-richardson | yep.. crusaders of the dark savant. 7 | 06:18 |
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| pupnik_ | someone has begun tentative steps for a JIT x86 compiler for ARM, but i doubt it will ever make it into dosbox | 06:19 |
| dick-richardson | too bad...there's a niche there | 06:20 |
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| pupnik_ | it does ok with ultima 5 and alleycat ... the PC/AT era stuff | 06:21 |
| pupnik_ | Prince of Persia is playable | 06:21 |
| dick-richardson | the n800 increasingly replaces my laptop | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | yeah i even torrented a few files on the 770 | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | oh the n800 might do a 12mhz AT | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | i'm still waiting for someone to give me MIPS figures on dosbox+N800 | 06:23 |
| dick-richardson | I'll have 'em when I get a keyboard...any recommendations? | 06:23 |
| pupnik_ | i bundled two benchmarking programs with dosbox .tgz | 06:23 |
| dick-richardson | stowaway or nokia's own? | 06:24 |
| pupnik_ | oh, i like the stowaway. could use a number-row though | 06:24 |
| pupnik_ | haven't tried nokias | 06:24 |
| dick-richardson | the hinge worries me...doesn't stabilize like the stowaways do | 06:24 |
| pupnik_ | yeah the locking feature is key for unstable surfaces | 06:25 |
| dick-richardson | any specific model? | 06:25 |
| Trencher | hmm | 06:25 |
| dick-richardson | i'll just grab one off newegg...have it tuesday | 06:25 |
| pupnik_ | there's a sierra which is bigger | 06:25 |
| Trencher | anyone here done the mmc partitioning? | 06:25 |
| locokaizo | trying it again right now | 06:28 |
| locokaizo | no problem so far | 06:29 |
| Trencher | will the os be using the first or second partition.. it looks like the second | 06:29 |
| locokaizo | mkdosfs and restarted... | 06:29 |
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| Trencher | i want to give the OS about 1/2gb | 06:29 |
| Trencher | don't want to end up giving it the 1&1/2gb part | 06:30 |
| pupnik_ | It'd also be useful to do system backups to another partition | 06:31 |
| dick-richardson | what are you installing, Trencher? | 06:31 |
| Trencher | i'm copying my os over to the mmc, but i'm partitioning the mmc first | 06:31 |
| dick-richardson | which os? | 06:31 |
| Trencher | 2007 he | 06:31 |
| locokaizo | I got the same error | 06:32 |
| dick-richardson | ahh, gotcha | 06:32 |
| Trencher | and i don't know which partition the os is going on | 06:32 |
| Trencher | so i don't know which one to make bigger | 06:32 |
| Trencher | i'm thinking the vfat one is the normal one, and the LINUX_83 one will be the os one | 06:32 |
| Trencher | let's hope | 06:34 |
| dick-richardson | trying to see if runs faster off the mmc than from embedded chip? | 06:34 |
| Trencher | yeah | 06:35 |
| dick-richardson | we taking bets? | 06:35 |
| Trencher | from what i read, odds are good | 06:36 |
| Trencher | and if anything, just switch it back | 06:36 |
| dick-richardson | the entire os? | 06:36 |
| Trencher | just copying it over | 06:36 |
| Trencher | then switching it to run from mmc | 06:36 |
| dick-richardson | ahh, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3969.html | 06:36 |
| Trencher | easy fix: switch it back to run off of flash again | 06:37 |
| dick-richardson | uncompressed fs | 06:37 |
| Trencher | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 06:37 |
| dick-richardson | hell, lemme know - pupnik_, that may factor in some with dosbox | 06:39 |
| Trencher | what error r u getting loco? | 06:39 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 06:39 |
| pupnik_ | dosbox loads into RAM | 06:40 |
| dick-richardson | er..nm. little slow | 06:40 |
| dick-richardson | <---I am | 06:40 |
| pupnik_ | heh s'okay | 06:40 |
| pupnik_ | i can't find what's causing corruption in vga on dosbox 7 | 06:40 |
| pupnik_ | the C64 emulator (frodo) runs at full speed though | 06:41 |
| locokaizo | mke2fs wasn't downloaded | 06:42 |
| Trencher | ic | 06:42 |
| pupnik_ | have to get pixel-doubling working but i'm waiting for them to finish their new on-screen settings and file-load feature | 06:42 |
| Trencher | add more repos and apt-get again? | 06:42 |
| locokaizo | I think | 06:42 |
| Trencher | i got it | 06:42 |
| locokaizo | which repo? | 06:42 |
| Trencher | lots? | 06:42 |
| Trencher | i had a list of repos earlier, and added a couple by hand, but can't find the page now | 06:43 |
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| Trencher | dual boot menu installed | 06:52 |
| locokaizo | can you point me to the list of repo? | 06:57 |
| Trencher | if i can find it | 06:59 |
| Trencher | it was in the itt fourms somewhere | 06:59 |
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| Trencher | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44643&postcount=4 is a good one | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | I'm such a nerd. I wrote about half of my Skype article and it's not even posted yet. | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | Just wanted to be prepared for when - so the research is out of the way | 07:01 |
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| Trencher | nooo it's lagging out | 07:12 |
| locokaizo | just finished adding all the repo from that list | 07:17 |
| locokaizo | worn out... going to bed, nite all. thanks for the help | 07:17 |
| Trencher | night | 07:18 |
| Trencher | unlagged | 07:18 |
| Trencher | almost done | 07:18 |
| Trencher | making the copy now | 07:18 |
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| Trencher | wow | 07:19 |
| Trencher | a irc client that leaves rooms before killing connection | 07:19 |
| Trencher | the linux world scares me | 07:19 |
| Trencher | i want to crawl back into my box | 07:19 |
| Trencher | i haven't had to spend this much time on a unfamiliar command prompt in years | 07:20 |
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| pupnik_ | heh well it seems big for a while | 07:20 |
| Trencher | just don't know the commands yet | 07:20 |
| Trencher | lol | 07:20 |
| Trencher | i tried to del like 4 times last night | 07:21 |
| Trencher | rm! rm! rm! | 07:21 |
| pupnik_ | you seem to be getting up to speed quickly | 07:21 |
| Trencher | i'm a fast learner :) | 07:21 |
| Trencher | and i love dos | 07:21 |
| pupnik_ | i still wrote dos batchscript for work in 2003 | 07:21 |
| Trencher | sometimes i start up xp to that stupid wannabe dos prompt | 07:21 |
| Trencher | and run stuff from it just for some nostaglic fun | 07:22 |
| Trencher | my irc looks like dos shell | 07:22 |
| pupnik_ | what program? | 07:22 |
| Trencher | mirc | 07:22 |
| pupnik_ | that seems to be the biggest | 07:22 |
| Trencher | linux doesn't seem to be big, per se, just complicated and messy | 07:23 |
| Trencher | i spent like 30 mins browsing around the filesystem trying to find where stuff gets installed | 07:24 |
| pupnik_ | yes, it's like decorating your house with found items at a bazaar | 07:24 |
| Trencher | seriously... | 07:24 |
| pupnik_ | rather than buying everything from ikea | 07:24 |
| Trencher | i shop in the ikea dumpster anyway | 07:24 |
| Trencher | pay for furniture? pfft | 07:24 |
| Trencher | only if it's a work of ART | 07:25 |
| pupnik_ | heh. well you might find that a linux 101 course / howto might be worthwhile | 07:25 |
| pupnik_ | get some structured background info | 07:25 |
| pupnik_ | and the debian users guide, to get the basics of the package management | 07:25 |
| Trencher | meh.. just dabbling in linux.. once it runs, i won't be touching it again | 07:26 |
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| Trencher | what's with the unporportionate amount of underscores in the nicks here? | 07:27 |
| Trencher | multiple logins? | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | gets set on reconnect | 07:28 |
| Trencher | ic | 07:28 |
| Trencher | never been on freenode | 07:28 |
| pupnik | on the client does that. if it tries to connect and your old nick is still listed as active | 07:29 |
| Trencher | which client? | 07:29 |
| Trencher | on the 770? | 07:29 |
| pupnik | most linux clients | 07:29 |
| Trencher | ic | 07:29 |
| Trencher | i must seem like a uneducated lout | 07:29 |
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| Trencher | i love how that wiki page doesn't mention that the copy would take forever | 07:31 |
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| Trencher | 30 mins later.. (almost) still copying... | 07:42 |
| pupnik | i forgot, you on a 770? | 07:43 |
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| Trencher | yes | 07:45 |
| Trencher | still /usr/share | 07:46 |
| Trencher | tar tar tar | 07:46 |
| pupnik | oww | 07:47 |
| pupnik | hope you're using the right flags to tar | 07:48 |
| Trencher | umm | 07:49 |
| Trencher | i did exactly what the wiki said | 07:49 |
| pupnik | ok | 07:49 |
| Trencher | .. /tar-temp/bin/tar cf - -C /floppy . | /tar-temp/bin/tar xvf - -C /opt | 07:49 |
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| Trencher | yay | 07:51 |
| Trencher | moved on to /home/user | 07:51 |
| pupnik | you are doing this as root? | 07:52 |
| Trencher | yes | 07:53 |
| pupnik | you must be, otherwise you'd need -p to preserve permissions | 07:53 |
| Trencher | i don't get it.. why bother with root on a device like this | 07:54 |
| Trencher | most (if not all) malicious software won't even run on it because of the unique arcitecture | 07:54 |
| Trencher | stock setup doesn't even have access for the filesystem, so you can't accidentally delete something | 07:55 |
| Trencher | yay FINISH | 07:57 |
| Trencher | 40 mins later | 07:57 |
| Trencher | :( i think i killed terminal.. no prompty | 08:00 |
| Trencher | nope, it worked | 08:00 |
| Trencher | Booting from mmc2 ... | 08:00 |
| Trencher | wow | 08:00 |
| Trencher | that does load faster | 08:01 |
| pupnik | heh now i jealous | 08:01 |
| Trencher | lxdoom still borked | 08:02 |
| Trencher | lol | 08:02 |
| Trencher | Storage memory available: 297.5 MB | 08:03 |
| Trencher | 9% used | 08:03 |
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| Trencher | that's definently nice | 08:03 |
| pupnik | ? that seems odd | 08:03 |
| Trencher | xtra 300mb for proggys | 08:03 |
| pupnik | you will have a hard time filling that | 08:03 |
| Trencher | and 1.37 GB for the normal mmc space | 08:03 |
| Trencher | now to recreate my swapfile | 08:04 |
| Trencher | you should try this | 08:04 |
| Trencher | lol | 08:05 |
| Trencher | this way i also have a full, working copy of the system | 08:05 |
| Trencher | in case something i do craps it out | 08:05 |
| pupnik | yeah. is your kernel the one that does high-speed MMC? | 08:05 |
| Trencher | iono | 08:05 |
| Trencher | 2007 he is based on the latest 2006 kernel.. i think it has high-speed mmc support | 08:06 |
| pupnik | i think so too | 08:06 |
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| Trencher | i'm going to regret this.. | 08:10 |
| Trencher | vi | 08:10 |
| pupnik | it's an efficient editor once you learn it | 08:10 |
| Trencher | how to exit... | 08:11 |
| `0660 | ESC :q | 08:11 |
| pupnik | ... not going to walk someone through vi here | 08:12 |
| Trencher | lol | 08:12 |
| Trencher | lack of esc key... | 08:12 |
| `0660 | :) | 08:12 |
| `0660 | pupnik, why not? :P | 08:12 |
| `0660 | Trencher, try just :q | 08:13 |
| Trencher | :) | 08:13 |
| `0660 | back button works as esc | 08:15 |
| `0660 | works like a charm | 08:16 |
| Trencher | i wonder why they put the connecting things on both sides of the feet | 08:16 |
| `0660 | though i usually use it through ssh | 08:16 |
| Trencher | you'll never have more than 2 | 08:16 |
| Trencher | ssh.. a battle for another day | 08:16 |
| Trencher | last time i fought with linux was on my DS | 08:17 |
| Trencher | i managed to ssh into that | 08:17 |
| pupnik | nintendo? | 08:17 |
| Trencher | yes | 08:17 |
| Trencher | managed to get it to play a mp3 and milebones (though not at the same time) | 08:18 |
| pupnik | nice | 08:18 |
| `0660 | you don't need superhuman powers to install ssh to n770 | 08:18 |
| Trencher | i have no need right now... | 08:18 |
| pupnik | i'm only buying the N800 successor if it has decent buttons for gaming | 08:18 |
| Trencher | you could try a bluetooth controller | 08:19 |
| pupnik | yeah my BT keyboard serves | 08:19 |
| Trencher | what games do you play? | 08:19 |
| Trencher | depending on what u want, maybe a actual gaming portable would be better | 08:20 |
| pupnik | mostly Space Duel (xmame) | 08:20 |
| Trencher | most of them have some rudimentary pim suites | 08:20 |
| Trencher | hmm | 08:20 |
| Trencher | no mame port for DS | 08:20 |
| Trencher | maybe psp? | 08:20 |
| pupnik | if i just wanted games i'd have bought the gp2x | 08:20 |
| Trencher | only reason i got the 770 was because it was on woot and it was listed like a laptop replacement | 08:21 |
| Trencher | and it works like one mostly | 08:21 |
| pupnik | that was a ridiculously good deal | 08:21 |
| Trencher | i want something to go online with and maybe play easy games and movies.. | 08:21 |
| Trencher | this is better than a laptop.. much more portable | 08:22 |
| Trencher | i'm not dreading lugging it around | 08:22 |
| Trencher | i got a old tecra 8100 | 08:22 |
| pupnik | Yeah. When i get exult working, that will be a very good RPG. | 08:22 |
| Trencher | i like nethack | 08:22 |
| pupnik | It works now but the steering is a bit clunky | 08:22 |
| Trencher | reminds me of a game i used to play | 08:22 |
| pupnik | ah yep... it's a nice port | 08:22 |
| Trencher | which was probably a nethack clone | 08:22 |
| pupnik | if you have a keyboard you can play TOME too | 08:22 |
| pupnik | angband? rogue? | 08:23 |
| Trencher | castle of the winds | 08:23 |
| pupnik | ah yes | 08:23 |
| Trencher | it's free now, but it's windows | 08:23 |
| pupnik | then there's daimonin, the online RPG | 08:23 |
| Trencher | if i want online | 08:23 |
| Trencher | i'll put on a telnet client, get a keyboard, and find a majormud server | 08:23 |
| Trencher | played that long time ago | 08:24 |
| Trencher | BBS FTW | 08:24 |
| pupnik | heh muds | 08:24 |
| Trencher | i remeber before win 3.1 | 08:24 |
| Trencher | had dos 6.22 | 08:24 |
| Trencher | and logged onto a bbs faithfully to play the games and DL shareware games | 08:24 |
| Trencher | i don't remeber the terminal we used.. | 08:25 |
| Trencher | that was back when i was messing around in ZZT | 08:25 |
| pupnik | procomm? qterm? | 08:25 |
| Trencher | nope.. something else | 08:25 |
| pupnik | i missed out on zzt | 08:25 |
| Trencher | i made some small maps for it | 08:25 |
| Trencher | a firework one.. where you did stuff and it made displays | 08:25 |
| Trencher | yay usb r fixed now too | 08:26 |
| pupnik | btw scummvm is a very nice port for 770 | 08:26 |
| pupnik | i don't have the patience for the puzzles though | 08:27 |
| Trencher | don't like those types of games either | 08:27 |
| Trencher | personally love FPS | 08:27 |
| Trencher | wish doom worked | 08:28 |
| pupnik | Star Control 2 / Ur-Quan Masters is incredibly good, IMO | 08:28 |
| pupnik | just have to get the on-screen buttons working | 08:29 |
| Trencher | yay | 08:34 |
| Trencher | helping someone in forums with the exact question i had about the partitions | 08:35 |
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| pupnik | :) | 08:46 |
| * pupnik naps | 08:46 | |
| pupnik | cheers Trencher | 08:46 |
| * thoughtfix itches for Skype | 08:49 | |
| * thoughtfix itches! | 08:50 | |
| Trencher | only other bug i've found in 2007he is that when i played a avi i encoded for the 770, the sound was off a second or two from the picture | 09:00 |
| Trencher | but i'll try that again, maybe restarting the video would fix it | 09:00 |
| thoughtfix | ... Dreams come true | 09:05 |
| thoughtfix | 90298052 bytes | 09:06 |
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| jga23 | how do I make it so I can directly execute my python app on my n800? | 09:07 |
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| JussiP | Install Xterm and just run it? | 09:09 |
| jga23 | yeah, I can do that if I do python app.py, but is there a way to make it so I can just run it by typing ./app.py | 09:09 |
| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html | 09:10 |
| jga23 | thoughtfix: is there a change log? | 09:10 |
| JussiP | Type #!/path/to/python to the first line of your script. | 09:10 |
| thoughtfix | I am still downloading | 09:11 |
| thoughtfix | sheesh! | 09:11 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 09:11 |
| JussiP | And chmod it executable. | 09:11 |
| jga23 | JussiP I added /usr/bin/python2.5 but that didn't work | 09:12 |
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| JussiP | Did you chmod the script file? | 09:15 |
| jga23 | I did it from ssh, that should still work right? | 09:15 |
| Trencher | now to wait for a new version for 770... | 09:16 |
| Trencher | lol | 09:16 |
| JussiP | Yes. Check and double check that the permissions and additions are done right. | 09:16 |
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| jga23 | hmm, now I'm getting a text file is busy error | 09:18 |
| thoughtfix | Skype is on the N800 now | 09:19 |
| JussiP | Also, the #! (hash and exclamation mark) is mandatory, must be on the first line and must be at the beginning of the line. | 09:19 |
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| thoughtfix | Rhapsody pre-installed too | 09:23 |
| jga23 | anybody actually get a app.desktop file to work? | 09:30 |
| jga23 | (with python) | 09:30 |
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| guardian | what's the use of 3.2 ? if no rootstraps are provided ? | 09:38 |
| guardian | do i need to install 3.1 then apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 09:39 |
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| febb | hi all | 09:56 |
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| febb | who has already updated the N800 firmware ? | 09:56 |
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| konttori | So, is the flash any better? | 10:07 |
| konttori | I'm downloading it atm, so haven't tested yet | 10:07 |
| febb | Im just installing it | 10:11 |
| thoughtfix | Flash is a bit better once it is done buffering | 10:11 |
| thoughtfix | but there are some browser rendering flaws | 10:11 |
| febb | now its downloading the 4.5 MB of skype | 10:11 |
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| konttori | ahh... great to hear that flash is better | 10:15 |
| konttori | I'm still backing up the device | 10:16 |
| pupnik | Gotta give the N800 users their Strong Bad Email! | 10:16 |
| thoughtfix | Thenhttp://maemo.org/news/view/1183705330.html | 10:16 |
| konttori | wow. the flash really happened in a flash! | 10:18 |
| melmoth | \o/ | 10:20 |
| X-Fade | Does the backup tool also backup the canola config? | 10:21 |
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| X-Fade | Or should I backup that manually? | 10:21 |
| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html More posts | 10:21 |
| febb | seems the skype servers for the n800 are extremely busy now.... | 10:24 |
| inz | febb, surprise, surprise? | 10:26 |
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| febb | not a bit !!! | 10:27 |
| febb | mmm...maybe we should work on a bittorrent implementation for the updates.... | 10:28 |
| pupnik | nothing stopping anyone from seeding on publicdomaintorrents | 10:29 |
| febb | yeah, thats true...but the app manager doesn't operate in a torrent fashion....does it? | 10:30 |
| thoughtfix | Skype video posted | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:34 |
| Jaffa | So, new firmware then? | 10:34 |
| thoughtfix | Jaffa: | 10:35 |
| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html | 10:35 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, interesting set of changes. | 10:41 |
| rwhitby | any way to save existing third-party apps and restore them? | 10:42 |
| konttori | I love the sdhc support | 10:42 |
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| pupnik | how big are SD cards going to be soon? | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | rwhitby: some combination of saving /etc/apt/sources.list and dpkg --save-selections (or somesuch) | 10:43 |
| lool | Does someone know whether Debhelper will be bumped to >= 5 in sardine for the new 4.x cycle? | 10:43 |
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| pupnik | would be nice | 10:43 |
| febb | Jaffa: But some sort of editing to the sources.list may be required, right? I mean to reflect the OS version..... | 10:44 |
| konttori | pupnik: probably 16 gigs later this year | 10:45 |
| pupnik | wow 32GB on a N800 | 10:45 |
| rwhitby | Jaffa: good idea | 10:46 |
| pupnik | of course they won't be cheap, but at least will drive prices of smaller ones down | 10:46 |
| konttori | yeah. 4 gig sds will be the way to go this year. | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | febb: not if you were already on bora. This is a minor upgrade onlyu. | 10:47 |
| rwhitby | dpkg --get-selections, then dpkg --set-selections | 10:47 |
| thoughtfix | Okay... it does support non-SDHC 4GB SD cards | 10:48 |
| thoughtfix | contrary to what the release notes say | 10:48 |
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| febb | Jaffa: Ok, then if I made a backup of sources.list, only restoring the file wil let me rre-install my previous apps...the ones I already had installed. | 10:48 |
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| febb | ....for instance, I activated red-pill mode and I do not see ssh on the default repos.....(haven't modified the sources.list tough).. | 10:50 |
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| Jaffa | febb: yes, it will let you re-install them. Poking about with dpkg will also let you, with one command, re-install everything you had before (if it came from a repo). Suppoedly the new app mgr does this. | 10:50 |
| jjo_ | has ssh ever been in the default repos? | 10:50 |
| febb | yes, once red-pill mode was activated, ssh was there. | 10:51 |
| jjo_ | as far as I know it has been available from the sdk repositories, but I could be wrong fo course | 10:53 |
| febb | I actually installed it directly from the default repos, once I activated the red-pill mode, otherwise it wont show. | 10:54 |
| febb | the thing is that with this new firmware it is not working that way..... | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | Touch sensitivity improvements sound welcome (thoughtfix: noticable?) but I'm concerned that the only app level change that's deemed worth mentioning is the separation of "Now playing" and "Library" in Media Player. | 10:54 |
| febb | I already activated red pill but see not much to install. | 10:54 |
| konttori | wow. dailymotion plays now in 3 fps instead of 2.5 fps. | 10:56 |
| konttori | until it crashes. | 10:57 |
| thoughtfix | Who wants to laugh at ThoughtFix - Latest update on my top post | 10:57 |
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| dev | solmumaha: yes, I'm working on it | 11:03 |
| febb | has anyone already installed Xterm with the new n800 firmware ? | 11:03 |
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| X-Fade | febb: yep.. | 11:06 |
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| Jaffa | koen|edinburgh: what's the weather like up there? | 11:07 |
| koen|edinburgh | guess :) | 11:07 |
| * koen|edinburgh hints at dark clouds and raigear | 11:07 | |
| koen|edinburgh | +n | 11:07 |
| febb | X-Fade did you get it from a repo throug the web ? or how did you installed it? i just upgraded the firmware, changed the app manager to red pill mode but I do not see any "special items" such as Xterm...as it did before. | 11:07 |
| X-Fade | Just installed osso-xterm through application manager. 0.13.mh24bora1 | 11:09 |
| jjo_ | xterm has never been in the product repositories and I doubt ssh has either | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | So that is from the maemo-hackers repository.. | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | jjo_: ssh is in the bora repository.. | 11:09 |
| febb | yeah, i beleive it used to be on that repo maemo-hackers....and it activated when red pill mode was set...as far as I can recall.... | 11:10 |
| febb | X-fade: and you installed osso-xterm after adding additional repos (to the two that come by default) ? | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | febb, I restored my backup. That included all repositories.. | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main | 11:12 |
| febb | X-fade : ah ! I see now.... and all you previous apps are supposed to work fine..I must think..... | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | febb: No, you have to reinstall all of them. | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | But the settings remained.. | 11:12 |
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| febb | ok. I made a ful backup prior installing the new firmware... but did not restore it. (actually I feared a mess would be made).... | 11:13 |
| jjo_ | X-Fade: in the bora repository yes, but that's an sdk repository | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | febb: Nah, that is ok.. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | jjo_: Yep it is.. | 11:13 |
| febb | but I also made a backup of /etc/apt/sources.list | 11:13 |
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| febb | now I do not have an xterm...thats what I was looking to isntall first and then change to root. | 11:14 |
| febb | and do the rest. | 11:14 |
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| febb | ok... I got the maemo-hacker repo installed now...seems I am ok now... | 11:17 |
| febb | woow working so late makes a mess with concentration...not a good time to make firmware upgrades :) | 11:18 |
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| jani | morning | 11:30 |
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| thoughtfix | busy morning | 11:32 |
| solmumaha | omg, the touchscreen feels so much better | 11:33 |
| konttori | I agree.. much much better | 11:33 |
| solmumaha | only thing i've hated in it | 11:33 |
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| konttori | the application selection via thumb is still crap though. | 11:34 |
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| solmumaha | feels like new hardware now | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | Too bad they don't use plankton as the default theme ;) | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it isn't in extras either. Lets find that link again.. | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | plankton? | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | Ah: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ | 11:40 |
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| thoughtfix | Okay I am done for the night. http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html Anyone else seeing the page rendering problems I see? | 11:43 |
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| thoughtfix | Anyone want to Slashdot me? ;) | 11:44 |
| febb | well.. thanks for tonights help..... gotta run now.. | 11:49 |
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| gwak | so i guess USB host support did not make it into the update | 12:09 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:17 |
| gomiam | is there a new update? | 12:19 |
| gwak | gomiam: yep | 12:19 |
| gwak | http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/ | 12:19 |
| gomiam | ok, I'll have to go and check it :-D | 12:19 |
| thoughtfix-away | I rebranded, gwak | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | http://tabletblog.com ;) | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | Thanks :D | 12:20 |
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| gomiam | did it get Skype? | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | Yeah - no mention of USB OTG | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | Yep | 12:20 |
| gomiam | yay! | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | See a video of Skype in action there. | 12:20 |
| gomiam | now I can bother my brother from anywhere :-D | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | And don't forget to let Engadget, Gizmodo, and Slashdot know | 12:20 |
| thoughtfix-away | ;) Off to bed. For real this time. G'nite! | 12:21 |
| gwak | thoughtfix-away: you should update your sig for you itt account | 12:21 |
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| gomiam | thoughtfix-away: I'll have to add you on Skype at some given time :-P | 12:21 |
| gomiam | to wake you up at 3am :-D | 12:21 |
| thoughtfix-away | Done :) | 12:22 |
| thoughtfix-away | hahahaha | 12:22 |
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| thoughtfix-away | I don't know if I will leave Skype on the N800 next to my bed. | 12:22 |
| thoughtfix-away | And it's already 2:22 AM | 12:22 |
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| gomiam | oh, then I will have to hack into it and start Skype up myself :-D | 12:23 |
| gwak | offtopic, has anybody used basecamp for project planning? | 12:24 |
| gomiam | ok, time to start backing everything up | 12:25 |
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| konttori | gwak: I have | 12:25 |
| gwak | konttori:do you recomand it for small teams 2-3 people? | 12:25 |
| thoughtfix-away | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Nokia_N800_has_a_new_Firmware | 12:26 |
| gomiam | ok, getting ready to try and send the story to Slashdot | 12:26 |
| gwak | thoughtfix-away:dug | 12:26 |
| N800 | google street view work? | 12:28 |
| thoughtfix-away | :D | 12:28 |
| N800 | updating now.. | 12:28 |
| thoughtfix-away | N800: Let me check | 12:28 |
| N800 | can someone check.. | 12:28 |
| N800 | thanks | 12:28 |
| N800 | real nice if it does... | 12:28 |
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| konttori | gwak: I think it's the best one out there. I've used it for 4-5 person projects and it's been really sweet. | 12:29 |
| konttori | thoughtfix: good luck! | 12:30 |
| thoughtfix-away | Street View just shows a bubble | 12:30 |
| N800 | flash 9.... | 12:30 |
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| thoughtfix-away | Okay ... Really this time. To bed! | 12:31 |
| gomiam | pity. You won't get to see my slashdot submission until the morning :-P | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | Yay! More adverts will work. Joy. | 12:33 |
| gomiam | ok, submitted at slashdot. | 12:35 |
| gwak | gomaiam: do you konw how to submit something to engadget? | 12:35 |
| gwak | konttori: it looks nice but it feel the task management might be to simplistic, but that could be a good thing | 12:38 |
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| lardman | hmm, Windows software update still won't work for me | 12:40 |
| gomiam | no idea. I guess you will need to register, perhaps | 12:40 |
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| gomiam | there's a "Tip us no news!" link up on the right | 12:42 |
| gomiam | I'm submitting the story as of now | 12:42 |
| gwak | gomiam:good eye, the frontpage is way to linky IMO | 12:43 |
| gomiam | "gomiam:good eye"... true, now if the other one worked as well ;-P | 12:44 |
| N800 | streetview seems to want to work, but the browser i'm not sure is ok with it. | 12:45 |
| gwak | this sounds great: With the new firmware update the Tableteer desktop applet icon shows what appears to be a hard cover case for the N800, though at the moment the link is showing 404. | 12:46 |
| konttori | qwak: Yeah. I think it's good that it's simple. | 12:46 |
| gomiam | ok, news submitted at endgadget | 12:46 |
| konttori | I haven't used it for more than two projects (lasting 2 weeks each) though | 12:46 |
| konttori | and I've mostly just been committing tasks there. | 12:46 |
| gomiam | submitted text: I've just been told by <a href="http://tabletblog.com/">Thoughtfix</a> (on IRC) that <a href="http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html">there is a new firmware for the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet</a>.<p> | 12:46 |
| gomiam | The <a href="http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-d134757e2b8e11dc9457cfd6b50760006000">official announce</a> lists new features like included Skype, Adobe Flash 9, better battery and screen management and SDHC card support up to 8GB. Great news for us N800 users. | 12:46 |
| gomiam | sorry for the flood. | 12:46 |
| gomiam | there is something that bothers me, though. | 12:47 |
| gomiam | What's the use of restricting the firmware downloads, anyway? | 12:48 |
| gomiam | it's not like I can't share my downloaded firmware on P2P networks, anyway. | 12:48 |
| gomiam | ok, backup complete | 12:49 |
| gwak | konttori:i just signed up for an account, my project is 4 months and has 8 different deliverables with many dependencies between the deliverables . | 12:49 |
| gomiam | now it's time to do a dpkg --get-selection :-) | 12:49 |
| gwak | konttori: but the first phase of the project was managed with email and excel ;-] | 12:50 |
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| gomiam | ouch, dpkg --get-selection doesn't work? | 12:51 |
| konttori | sounds like that will be quite an improvement. | 12:51 |
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| gomiam | ah, it's --get-selections | 12:52 |
| konttori | OTOH. I feel the most important thing is that there is some place to keep list of things to do and their priorities. And I think that is a pretty good one for that. | 12:52 |
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| gomiam | what was the button to start the N800 in USB mode? | 12:56 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: licence restrictions I imagine, lawyers won't want someone ripping out Opera (say) and putting it on their Zaurus. | 12:56 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: and, of course, nobody will think about buying a N800 and downloading the firmware so they can rip Opera out, right? :-) | 12:57 |
| gpd | does anyone have a list of things to backup before flashing? | 12:57 |
| gomiam | gpd, I have backed up "everything" | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: Lawyers only want their asses covered ;-) | 12:57 |
| gomiam | since I store nothing on the internal memory, I just made a backup of /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:58 |
| gomiam | and dpkg --get-selections >somefile | 12:58 |
| gomiam | to make sure | 12:58 |
| gomiam | that last one will certainly not get backed up | 12:58 |
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| gomiam | and it would be a PITA to hunt all those apps again | 12:58 |
| gpd | gomiam: good plan. isn't there another dpkg command to save the state (/me looks) | 12:58 |
| gomiam | I don't know | 12:59 |
| gomiam | but once you have the system up to date | 12:59 |
| gomiam | you can dpkg --set-selections<somefile to get your preferences back up | 12:59 |
| gomiam | :-) | 12:59 |
| gpd | any you just rsync or tar /home/user and maybe /etc too? | 13:00 |
| gomiam | no. I have no date at /home/user anyway | 13:01 |
| gomiam | and no relevant information on /etc | 13:01 |
| gomiam | anything else I need I can rewrite | 13:01 |
| gomiam | no I'll wait for the N800 to recharge a bit. | 13:02 |
| gomiam | so/no/now/ | 13:02 |
| gpd | last time I did this was a minor disaster, so don't want a repeat. I got a bit carried away and forgot to backup all my ~/.foo files | 13:03 |
| gomiam | argh | 13:03 |
| gomiam | mmm... | 13:03 |
| gomiam | I'll check that, just in case | 13:03 |
| gomiam | now I think of it, I have an USB traffic analyzer installed | 13:04 |
| gomiam | I could try and see whether I can sniff something while uploading :-D | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | gomiam: Or you could look at the source code for 0xffff :) | 13:05 |
| gomiam | X-Fade: yeah, but this is much convoluted, ergo much better :-P I'm actually interested in known whether the N800 acts as a simple storage device or not (well, I already know it doesn't) | 13:07 |
| gomiam | wow | 13:10 |
| gwak | heh from thoughfix's blog "If there's anyone in Europe who wants to call my cell phone and wake me wherever I am to tell me when the new firmware is posted, let me know. I" | 13:11 |
| fatal- | well, is the update coming then soon? | 13:12 |
| gwak | Fatal:its out now | 13:12 |
| gpd | I'm looking forward to seeing what they've done with power management - as that was becoming a big issue for me | 13:12 |
| fatal- | hmm. so it seems | 13:12 |
| gpd | http://maemo.org/news/view/1183705330.html | 13:12 |
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| fatal- | flash & skype, nice. | 13:14 |
| gla55_ | ooh new firm? | 13:14 |
| gla55_ | ooooh | 13:14 |
| gla55_ | damn | 13:14 |
| gla55_ | i want a n800 now | 13:14 |
| fatal- | and the touch screen sensitivity fix, that's one I want ;) | 13:14 |
| gpd | 8G cards also handy with all those maemo maps :D | 13:15 |
| gwak | can someone set the #maemo login banner to announce the update? | 13:16 |
| pdz | me too glass! just need an n800 pricecut before my sept trip to the states! | 13:18 |
| eugene | aloha | 13:19 |
| eugene | gpd: woohoo! | 13:20 |
| * gpd makes final preparations for flash :D | 13:22 | |
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| gpd | the obvious problem with get-selections - is that not all of my installed packages are from repositories :( | 13:26 |
| gpd | I'm not even sure if I still have the deb packages - so this could be slightly painful :( | 13:27 |
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| gpd | anyone know if there is a dpkg/apt command to list the packages not in the current repository, but installed locally? | 13:28 |
| lardman | Is there anyone who could post a link to/copy of the N800's avs_kernelcfg.cmd file? (I left my N800 at home) | 13:28 |
| lardman | the file lives in /lib/dsp/ | 13:30 |
| gpd | lardman: see pm | 13:30 |
| lardman | gpd: I think my client is having a bad day, I don't see anything | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | gpd: you could combine dpkg --get-selections with apt-cache showpkg or somesuch, perhaps? | 13:31 |
| gpd | http://www.grahamdavies.net/avs_kernelcfg.cmd | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | Yay: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 is marked "fixed" :-) | 13:32 |
| lardman | Thank you very much :). I've grabbed a copy so you can take it down if you want | 13:32 |
| gpd | lardman: ok no problem | 13:32 |
| gpd | Jaffa: wow - that would be good. mine has crashed a lot because of that bug | 13:33 |
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| eugene | what's the new kernel | 13:34 |
| * gpd wonders why his /var/log/wtmp is 184Mb | 13:34 | |
| X-Fade | eugene: Linux Nokia-N800-26 2.6.18-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 13 11:37:40 EEST 2007 armv6l unknown | 13:36 |
| * gpd flashes | 13:37 | |
| * lardman covers his eyes ;) | 13:37 | |
| gpd | phone selection wizard: is that new? | 13:39 |
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| melmoth | skipe is working :) | 13:42 |
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| gpd | melmoth: no video i guess? | 13:43 |
| Sonej | the text inputs fields are messed up | 13:43 |
| Sonej | Only me? | 13:43 |
| melmoth | i havent try the video | 13:43 |
| gpd | not mentioned in the blurb - but would be killer if it did | 13:44 |
| chrissturm | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ <= does this also apply to the n800? mentions only n770 | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | chrissturm: yes, people have it working (including my GUI) with the N800 | 13:46 |
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| gpd | Sorry, we currently have no Carrying Cases Accessories for Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. | 13:49 |
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| * gpd grinds teeth as restore takes *forever* | 13:56 | |
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| N800 | skype is cool | 13:57 |
| N800 | flash 9 is cooler | 13:57 |
| gwak | has anbody seen how the CPU useage is under skype? | 13:58 |
| eugene | X-Fade: ah, ok thanks dude | 13:59 |
| eichi | lol...where is the usb input of the n800...cant find it X.O | 13:59 |
| eugene | how has tried the opensource version of the flash program | 13:59 |
| eichi | ah okay..lol...me silly | 13:59 |
| gpd | eichi: open the stand, usb on right side | 13:59 |
| eugene | n800 is more like a hacker toy than a real pda :( | 14:00 |
| gwak | eugene:its an internet tabet ;-] | 14:00 |
| N800 | going to buy a skype number and get a plan if they offer... | 14:00 |
| eichi | eugene: its more fun like a "real pda" | 14:00 |
| eugene | hehe | 14:00 |
| * eugene still downloading. 84% | 14:01 | |
| gpd | eugene: very true - but it is a shame, as it wouldn't take much to make it into a killer device: mostly marketing and some usability features | 14:01 |
| eichi | is there a total reset for n800...i will do firmware update now...what happens, if it gets in trouble? | 14:01 |
| eugene | gpd: if only i do not have to restore my stuff all the time. i keep on reflashing it :) | 14:02 |
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| jpt9 | hey | 14:02 |
| jpt9 | so, nokia's come out with a new version of OS 2007 with Skype... | 14:02 |
| gpd | eugene: agreed. the restore is flawed atm | 14:02 |
| jpt9 | are they still working on Hacker Edition? | 14:02 |
| N800 | yes | 14:02 |
| eugene | looks like i can't do more fanciful stuff with scratchbox :( | 14:02 |
| jpt9 | as in, will I be able to eventually run Skype on my 770? | 14:03 |
| * jpt9 would love that. | 14:05 | |
| eichi | what to do with the n800 if the firmware dies...is there a total reset? or is it playing with the fire...firmwareupdate | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | It's a fairly robust protocol. | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | No-one has ever bricked a device during flashing, AFAIK. | 14:07 |
| eugene | eichi: reflash with an older version of os 2007 | 14:07 |
| Robot101 | I did, but it was a prototype device with a prototype bootloader... ;) | 14:08 |
| eugene | Jaffa: actually i don't see why you could brick it ... | 14:08 |
| eugene | Robot101: ah... is it documented somewhere? | 14:08 |
| eugene | yay it's downloaded. time to reflash! | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: you've got an excuse ;-) | 14:08 |
| gla55_ | if you'd be flashing the part thats needed for flashing.. | 14:08 |
| gla55_ | like the bootloader thing on wm devices, then i could see it bricking | 14:08 |
| Robot101 | eugene: it's not very useful information, given that nokia don't distribute prototype hardware or their bootloaders to consumers :D | 14:09 |
| Robot101 | but in normal operation, I've never had any problems flashing | 14:09 |
| eugene | ya.. | 14:09 |
| Robot101 | and I flash a loooot | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | Third party themes are apparantly "broken". | 14:09 |
| eugene | yay. done flashing | 14:10 |
| eugene | hmm | 14:10 |
| eugene | not sure why the kernel would be the same. | 14:11 |
| * jpt9 wants an updated hacker edition! | 14:11 | |
| N800 | skype saves logs of conversations on the its servers | 14:11 |
| gomiam | I'm unable to get the N800 in flashable mode | 14:12 |
| eugene | if sdhc is supported, then i guess there must be a newer kernel isn't it? since the kernel in the older version of firmware don't support sdhc | 14:12 |
| N800 | i was chatting on the n800 with someone...logged into skype on my notebook...and the conversation i'm having is showed up on the notebook. | 14:12 |
| eichi | eugene: that means..flashing is fireware independent...you can do it everytime? that good ^^ | 14:12 |
| eugene | N800: indeed | 14:13 |
| eugene | sigh. got to re-setup everything again | 14:13 |
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| eugene | add in repositories again | 14:13 |
| eugene | apt-get install all over again... | 14:13 |
| gomiam | eugene, that's why I make a backup of sources.list and a dpkg --get-selections | 14:14 |
| gomiam | that way I can script my way back into recovering everything. | 14:14 |
| eichi | why is the n800 no pda? where is the difference..i have a n800..but never had a PDA | 14:14 |
| gomiam | eichi: well... it has bigger specs, perhaps :-) | 14:15 |
| gomiam | then again, I don't quite see the difference between a PDA and a UMPC, anyway (besides the size) | 14:16 |
| eichi | specs? | 14:16 |
| gomiam | argh, am I supposed to keep both the power-on button and the home button pressed until the USB icon shows= | 14:16 |
| eugene | gomiam: still painful | 14:16 |
| gomiam | ? | 14:16 |
| eugene | gomiam: guess i need to save $HOME too | 14:16 |
| gomiam | specs=specifications (processor, memory, etc.) | 14:17 |
| gomiam | eugene: I already did, just in case :-) | 14:17 |
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| eugene | gomiam: i didn't :) | 14:17 |
| gomiam | perhaps I need to connect the N800 to USB first... | 14:17 |
| eugene | gomiam: what else to backup | 14:17 |
| eugene | guess what | 14:18 |
| eugene | my rss feeds are gone | 14:18 |
| gomiam | ow | 14:18 |
| eugene | my applets are all gone | 14:18 |
| eugene | so its not enabled by default now | 14:18 |
| gomiam | I read once about some file you could edit to add backup locations | 14:19 |
| gomiam | I never followed on that, though. | 14:19 |
| eugene | did u use the backup feature? | 14:19 |
| eugene | in the device itself? | 14:19 |
| eugene | any idea where it backups the files to? | 14:20 |
| gomiam | mmm... to the memory card | 14:20 |
| gomiam | you can especify the name of the directory | 14:20 |
| eugene | ah | 14:20 |
| eugene | what is backuped? | 14:20 |
| eichi | damn is there no | on the n800 keyboard? | 14:21 |
| gomiam | hold on while I start reflashing and I'll look it up | 14:21 |
| gomiam | yes, on the second tab of the symbol list | 14:21 |
| gomiam | at the middle, second line | 14:21 |
| eichi | ah okay, blind..sorry | 14:21 |
| gomiam | hard to find the first time :-) | 14:22 |
| gomiam | ok, let me look up the backup application information, eugene | 14:22 |
| gomiam | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4759&highlight=n800 | 14:23 |
| gomiam | read that thread | 14:23 |
| gomiam | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35170&postcount=26 | 14:23 |
| gomiam | even better | 14:23 |
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| gomiam | ouch, wrong link | 14:24 |
| `0660 | heh, i wonder where they are sharing the new firmware from | 14:24 |
| eugene | gomiam: thanks man | 14:24 |
| `0660 | got it with 2800 KB/S | 14:24 |
| gomiam | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4378 | 14:25 |
| gomiam | that thread is about the N770, but it could be helpful too | 14:25 |
| eugene | wwthanks again man | 14:25 |
| gomiam | no problem | 14:25 |
| gomiam | I'm solving the question for both of us :-) | 14:26 |
| eugene | ;) | 14:26 |
| eugene | im going to update my blog later.. | 14:26 |
| eugene | ah so u need to download and install skype.. | 14:27 |
| gomiam | and the winner is... http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/ | 14:27 |
| eugene | its not with the firmware | 14:27 |
| gomiam | "Customizing what gets backed up on the Internet Tablets | 14:27 |
| gomiam | :-D | 14:27 |
| eugene | cool! | 14:27 |
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| gomiam | this page is going into my bookmarks as soon as I finish typing this line :-D | 14:28 |
| gomiam | done | 14:28 |
| eugene | ;) | 14:29 |
| gomiam | ok, let's see how does the N800 look after reflashing | 14:29 |
| gomiam | (cue Jaws music) | 14:30 |
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| jpt9 | http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html | 14:30 |
| gomiam | nice, jpt9 | 14:31 |
| gomiam | I'll hav to tell a pal of mine. | 14:31 |
| solmumaha | submitted the story to osnews | 14:31 |
| jpt9 | pretty small odds of skype working due to lack of codecs :-( | 14:31 |
| gomiam | can't have everything | 14:32 |
| jpt9 | but it's skype! | 14:32 |
| chrissturm | whats the best mail client on maemo? it seems 3.2 still has the same default mail client as 3.1 | 14:32 |
| jpt9 | claws-mail is good. | 14:32 |
| gomiam | chrissturm: some people like claws | 14:32 |
| gomiam | the standard one is good enough for me. N800 isn't my main mail platform,anyway | 14:33 |
| eugene | does vpn work on n800? | 14:33 |
| lardman | jpt9: What do you mean lack of codecs? | 14:33 |
| jpt9 | "Sadly the odds of getting Skype to work with the 770 are low, as we lack working codecs for the OMAP 1710 processor." | 14:33 |
| gomiam | lardman: Skype requires some codecs that probably work on floating-point | 14:34 |
| gomiam | which the N770 lacks | 14:34 |
| fatal- | err, which cpu n800 has? | 14:34 |
| lardman | it's an omap2420 | 14:34 |
| lardman | jpt9: Sorry, didn't realise you were quoting | 14:34 |
| jpt9 | oh. | 14:35 |
| eugene | i wish i know more ab out omap2420 | 14:35 |
| suihkulokki | eugene: what do you want to know? | 14:35 |
| gomiam | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 | 14:35 |
| eugene | i don't really know anything about it | 14:35 |
| eugene | i can google later | 14:36 |
| gomiam | eugene: start there, I already googled it :-D | 14:36 |
| lardman | hmm, is that more related to the fact that the DSP isn't working on the Hacker Edition on the 770 (or has this been fixed?) | 14:36 |
| eugene | gomiam: thanks! | 14:36 |
| gomiam | behold the power of two screens :-D | 14:36 |
| eugene | heh | 14:36 |
| pdz | useful news items on maemo.org.. wtf | 14:36 |
| jpt9 | i'm pretty sure the DSP works on hacker edition; the sound works perfectly fine (unless I'm missing something) | 14:36 |
| lardman | does it do mp3 decoding? | 14:37 |
| jpt9 | yeah. | 14:37 |
| lardman | ah, fair enough | 14:37 |
| jpt9 | and not just normal mp3 decoding -- *streaming* mp3 decoding! | 14:37 |
| jpt9 | off archive.org | 14:37 |
| jpt9 | you should check out some of the old-time radio sci-fi there. | 14:37 |
| jpt9 | it's pretty good. | 14:37 |
| lardman | The n800 has voice detection routines in the dsp kernel, not sure about the 770, I've not looked | 14:37 |
| eugene | voice detection in dsp kernel? hmm | 14:38 |
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| gomiam | restoring backup.... | 14:38 |
| gomiam | "voice detection"? Please specify | 14:38 |
| ed_ | I have often thought that an n800 would be ideal for voice control... | 14:38 |
| lardman | Voice Activity Detection | 14:38 |
| fatal- | that should work on 1710 too, same dsp ? | 14:38 |
| ed_ | think of typing by spelling out workds | 14:38 |
| gomiam | but no voice recognition, right? | 14:38 |
| gomiam | beyond that, I mean. | 14:38 |
| lardman | fatal-: Depends on whether it's in there though | 14:38 |
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| ed_ | it should be pretty accurate | 14:38 |
| gomiam | interesting | 14:39 |
| gomiam | :-D | 14:39 |
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| robtaylor | gomiam: you could try running sphinx.. | 14:39 |
| gomiam | now I can videotape a scene and make the computer generate the subtitles on the run (crackpot thought) | 14:39 |
| lardman | gomiam: No, but you could just use Sphinx, etc.? | 14:39 |
| lardman | oops, bit late typing | 14:40 |
| eugene | http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/736757217/ | 14:40 |
| edt | voice, with a limited set of sounds to reconized, instead of general voice is an option I have not seen used and it should be quite workable | 14:40 |
| gomiam | ok, ok. I'll think about giving it a run. Does it have a Spanish language unit? | 14:40 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 14:41 |
| _Monkey | niihau, Andy80 | 14:41 |
| gomiam | eugene: "Take a deep breath"? Do I need to scream at the bloody thing for it to send my voice over? :-D | 14:41 |
| eugene | gomiam: lol | 14:41 |
| gomiam | reminds me of a Spanish telecom advert | 14:41 |
| Andy80 | I read Quim message... and I didn't read your question you made yesterday evening... because I went out | 14:41 |
| eugene | :( | 14:42 |
| eugene | no one is on skype now | 14:42 |
| gomiam | oh, if you wish I can run Skype on laptop so you can get a test | 14:42 |
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| eugene | ok ;) | 14:42 |
| sbaturzio | what's package is better for playing OGG files? mogg or ogg-support? | 14:42 |
| gomiam | I hope you will excuse my spoken English, it's a bit rusty from lack of use | 14:43 |
| eugene | maybe later. my wife is back :D | 14:44 |
| gomiam | oh, excuses, excuses :-D | 14:44 |
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| gomiam | I even had the webcam ready :-D | 14:44 |
| eugene | really | 14:44 |
| eugene | heh | 14:44 |
| eugene | video not supported i think | 14:44 |
| lardman | I see the N800 has iLBC as well as G7.111 built in | 14:44 |
| gomiam | o, look up gomiam on Skype at some time and tell me it's you. | 14:45 |
| lardman | s/G7.111/G7.11 | 14:45 |
| gomiam | no, don't message me with "I'm me" :-P | 14:45 |
| eugene | u r from spain | 14:46 |
| gomiam | yup | 14:46 |
| gomiam | :-D | 14:46 |
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| eugene | cant see you | 14:46 |
| gomiam | what's your Skype nich? | 14:46 |
| gomiam | nick | 14:46 |
| eugene | calling u now | 14:46 |
| eugene | ;) | 14:46 |
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| eugene | wow | 14:48 |
| gomiam | heh | 14:48 |
| eugene | gomiam: so clear :) | 14:48 |
| eugene | gomiam: so loud :) | 14:48 |
| eugene | gomiam: and you speak good english :) | 14:48 |
| gomiam | that was me "taking a deep breath" | 14:48 |
| gomiam | thanks | 14:48 |
| gwak | eugene/gomiam: will the n800 display video? | 14:49 |
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| gomiam | it msut be my being here for a few minutes, I already have made the transtition from "translating english" to "thinking english" | 14:49 |
| gomiam | gwak: didn't check it in the end | 14:49 |
| gomiam | let me see if my webcam is working | 14:49 |
| gwak | it is a shame there is no video support in Skype | 14:49 |
| eugene | hehe | 14:49 |
| gomiam | eugene, I'll call you back for a trial run | 14:50 |
| gomiam | if you don't mind | 14:50 |
| eugene | ok | 14:50 |
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| eugene | no video :( | 14:51 |
| gomiam | it looks like there's no video option | 14:51 |
| gwak | to bad ;-[ | 14:51 |
| eugene | but good enough | 14:52 |
| gwak | i am exicited to try it , Gizmo was to laggy for me | 14:52 |
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| gomiam | ok, I have checked wit h a friend that my video feed actually works | 14:55 |
| gomiam | ergo it's the N800 that doesn't get the video | 14:55 |
| eichi | why do i need to fill in the MAC Adress of my pda to download the software...?! | 14:55 |
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| inz | eichi, that's weird, I have to fill in the MAC address of my tablet, fortunately, as I don't have a PDA | 14:57 |
| eugene | eichi: to make sure u r the owner of a n800 | 14:57 |
| gomiam | inz :-P | 14:57 |
| eichi | with the : or without | 14:57 |
| eichi | ? | 14:57 |
| gomiam | eichi: some weird Nokia policy | 14:57 |
| gomiam | without | 14:57 |
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| eichi | i thought its gpl...not n800 owner only.. | 14:58 |
| gomiam | eichi: GPL doesn't require you to enter your MAC to get a firmware update :-D | 14:58 |
| eichi | 4.2007.26-8 is the latest stable? | 14:58 |
| gpd | jezus this is a nightmare: i have no terminal and no ssh after flash (of course) so I have to manually select each package to even get started being back up to speed :( | 14:59 |
| gomiam | gpd: yeah, that's a bitch. | 14:59 |
| inz | gpd, http://maemo-hackers.org/dropbear-server.install | 14:59 |
| gpd | inz: sweet :) | 14:59 |
| eichi | 4.2007.26-8 is the latest stable? | 15:00 |
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| eugene | #maemo:name stage.maemo.org | 15:01 |
| eugene | deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free non-free | 15:01 |
| eugene | #maemo:name maemo-hackers | 15:01 |
| eugene | deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main | 15:01 |
| inz | eichi, I think you can read the page yourself and not keep asking the same question over and over again? | 15:01 |
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| eugene | sigh | 15:05 |
| eugene | i guess they updated the kernel but not the version number | 15:06 |
| gpd | ok. dropbear done. change passwords. edit sudoers. bla bla... tedium | 15:06 |
| gomiam | lol @ gpd | 15:06 |
| zulla | Hi. Any Skype experts around? | 15:09 |
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| Tu13es | hooray, new n800 firmware | 15:09 |
| Tu13es | anyone tried it yet? | 15:10 |
| eugene | yes | 15:10 |
| gpd | yes | 15:10 |
| Tu13es | thoughts? | 15:10 |
| eugene | Tu13es: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/736757217/ | 15:10 |
| eugene | do we have a mugshot maemo group? | 15:11 |
| eugene | or n800 group? | 15:11 |
| zulla | Can I use the same Skype account on the tablet and on the desktop at the same time? | 15:12 |
| eugene | yes | 15:12 |
| * gpd takes a deep breath | 15:13 | |
| * Tu13es hurries to install the firmware before his work shuts down wireless for the day again | 15:14 | |
| * gpd confirms no video with skype: but otherwise looking good | 15:15 | |
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| * gpd calls self on landline: good quality :D | 15:16 | |
| gomiam | yipeee! The "new firmware for n8000" is already up on Barrapunto (a Spanish Slashdot lookalike) | 15:17 |
| * gpd wants n8000 | 15:17 | |
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| Komarov | anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux or bluez-cups on Nokia N800, or bluetooth system on N800? | 15:23 |
| Tu13es | doh | 15:23 |
| Tu13es | just started the firmware but forgot to back up my repositories | 15:24 |
| Tu13es | gah | 15:24 |
| Komarov | it happens... | 15:24 |
| * gpd is just doing apt-get dselect-upgrade now | 15:24 | |
| Tu13es | oh well | 15:24 |
| gpd | this whole firmware upgrade process is a 'superfaff' | 15:24 |
| eichi | which terminal is the best one for n800...the xterm? | 15:25 |
| jani | superfaff ? | 15:25 |
| gpd | a giant faff - ie a pain in the you know what | 15:25 |
| gpd | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faff | 15:26 |
| gwak | gpd: is that UK english? | 15:26 |
| gpd | ya | 15:26 |
| eugene | did anyone got vpnc working on n800? | 15:26 |
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| gpd | vpnc worked for me, but not using it atm | 15:26 |
| eugene | gpd: running via the command line? | 15:27 |
| eugene | hmm but yeah, i don't see why it shouldn't work | 15:27 |
| gpd | both commandline and there is a gui too | 15:27 |
| eugene | nod | 15:27 |
| eugene | vpngui? | 15:27 |
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| Andy80 | how can I get an account to post on planet Maemo blog? | 15:30 |
| eugene | ya i wanted to ask that too. | 15:31 |
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| Tu13es | do any of the repositories change now that we have a new firmware? | 15:32 |
| zulla | No Skype smiley animations... :-) | 15:32 |
| zulla | I always loved the (inlove) smiley. | 15:32 |
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| Tu13es | anyone know? | 15:34 |
| Tu13es | do they still stay as bora? | 15:34 |
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| gpd | Tu13es: same same | 15:34 |
| Tu13es | kk | 15:34 |
| * gpd notes complete loss of menu orgainzation upon reinstall... | 15:35 | |
| gomiam | lunch time... bbl | 15:36 |
| zulla | The ssh server doesn't work anymore? ("incompatible") | 15:36 |
| gpd | dropbear-server working fine for me | 15:36 |
| gpd | the set-selections tried to overwrite with openssh - but failed - so will probably stick with dropbear for now | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Andy80/eugene: you email Ferenc - details on the page. | 15:37 |
| gpd | although it seems to ignore my .ssh/config to some extent | 15:37 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: what page? | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Andy80/eugene: or you talk to maddler about getting a new blog on http://www.maemopeople.org/ which is automatically syndicated. | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Hmm, it's moved. planet@maemo.org IIRC | 15:38 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: ok, I'll drop him a mail, thanks :) | 15:39 |
| * gpd notes loss of all paired bluetooth devices (still) | 15:40 | |
| Komarov | anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux or bluez-cups on Nokia N800, or bluetooth system on N800? | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | gpd: is there a bugzilla entry for that? I'd like to vote on it... | 15:41 |
| gpd | I'd like to comment on a lot of things at the moment - but I should probably 'settle down' | 15:41 |
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| eugene | Jaffa: thanks | 15:44 |
| gpd | I can confirm that ssh works fine on new firmware: both dropbear and normal ssh | 15:47 |
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| gwak | offtopic:http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/06/samsung-dance/ | 15:55 |
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| Mikho | hello | 15:56 |
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| Mikho | Could someone help me with creating a custom icon for my application in maemo? | 15:57 |
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| Mikho | the help files I've been reading tell me to ass a XB-Maemo-Icon-26: field in the debian control file, but it won't recognize it | 15:57 |
| Mikho | I've made a 26x26 png file and base64 encoded it already | 15:57 |
| Mikho | the error message is: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field 'Xb-Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file | 15:58 |
| gpd | don't suppose I can get a working diff for bora? It normally conflicts with busybox | 15:59 |
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| gpd | well: two hours later, I think I am done updating :) | 16:05 |
| nate12o6 | does anyone use dates to sync with google calendar? | 16:08 |
| nate12o6 | it says the latest version is .4 but i could only find .1 for maemo | 16:08 |
| gpd | I tried it: but my google calendar has 'funky' .ics that causes errors :( | 16:08 |
| jpt9 | hey inz -- i love sgt-puzzles! | 16:09 |
| inz | jpt, me too ;) | 16:09 |
| nate12o6 | how did you try to sync it? when i go to creat new calendar it is all grayed out | 16:09 |
| gpd | nate12o6: we await google gears for N800... | 16:09 |
| jpt9 | i think it's missing filling, galaxies, and unequal. and what's nullgame? | 16:09 |
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| nate12o6 | gpd: which version do you have? | 16:09 |
| nate12o6 | i have n770 :( | 16:10 |
| gpd | wait: you said dates, I'm thinking GPE calendar on N800 | 16:10 |
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| nate12o6 | nah | 16:10 |
| jpt9 | also, minegame doesn't seem to work quite right; the mines are already shown, and when you tap on one of the blank squares, it quits. | 16:10 |
| nate12o6 | i couldnt get gpe calendar to work eather. | 16:10 |
| nate12o6 | wont even open for me | 16:10 |
| jpt9 | *** mines, not minegame | 16:10 |
| gpd | what is the situation with google gears: i have not looked | 16:11 |
| gpd | http://www.maemoapps.com/2007/05/30/google-gears-works-on-linux-but-not-the-nokia-tablet/ | 16:11 |
| gpd | not supported: no .xpi extensions on N800 | 16:11 |
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| pupnik | Mikho: where is the help file you are reading? | 16:13 |
| nate12o6 | has anyone else tried 'dates' for maemo? | 16:13 |
| pupnik | calendar app? | 16:13 |
| nate12o6 | yes | 16:14 |
| jpt9 | inz: any ideas on how to get mines to work? | 16:14 |
| pupnik | n770 with it2007 he jpt9? | 16:15 |
| jpt9 | yeah. | 16:15 |
| jpt9 | this is mines in sgt-puzzles. | 16:15 |
| pupnik | oh that package with *tons* of puzzle games? | 16:15 |
| jpt9 | yup. | 16:16 |
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| jpt9 | it's quite awesome. | 16:16 |
| pupnik | completely overflows the menu though | 16:17 |
| jpt9 | i made a new menu for it. | 16:17 |
| jpt9 | top-level (well, the apps menu) | 16:17 |
| jpt9 | so now, under extras, there's an 'SGT Puzzles' menu. | 16:17 |
| pupnik | logical | 16:17 |
| pupnik | contact the author | 16:18 |
| jpt9 | i did :-) | 16:18 |
| jpt9 | scroll up in your IRC window :-) | 16:18 |
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| chrissturm | is there an easy way to reset a n800 to factory defaults? | 16:22 |
| chrissturm | (delete all personal stuff) | 16:22 |
| pupnik | reflash the OS | 16:23 |
| gla55_ | flash it? | 16:23 |
| chrissturm | ok, so theres no way to do it without connecting the device to a pc | 16:23 |
| gla55_ | not sure | 16:23 |
| gomiam | probably not, chrissturm | 16:25 |
| chrissturm | ok, thanks | 16:25 |
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| lardman | Well I'm happy with the new flash image, opera seems more responsive | 16:31 |
| * jpt9 wants hacker edition. with skype. | 16:32 | |
| lardman | you could always try installing it | 16:32 |
| lardman | may not work, but you never know | 16:32 |
| fatal- | have to go soon home so I can upgrade the image :) | 16:32 |
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| * lardman popped home for lunch & upgrade :) | 16:32 | |
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| lardman | I don't know whether it happened before, but the progress bar now changes speed (presumably back & forth very quickly for fast connections) | 16:36 |
| lardman | or perhaps my connections were always the same speed previously :) | 16:37 |
| gomiam | mm... the same happened to me | 16:37 |
| gomiam | perhaps they have optimized the GUI application manager | 16:37 |
| gomiam | It used to be quite slow at times. | 16:37 |
| lardman | yes, that seems faster too, esp when reloading lists | 16:38 |
| lardman | would be good to not lose your place though -> bugtracker I imagine | 16:38 |
| gomiam | mine blows up after each package install if I select the whole list of installable applications, though. | 16:38 |
| gomiam | I've worked around it by checking section by section | 16:39 |
| gomiam | :-) | 16:39 |
| lardman | the list is cleared & I'm put back at the top, which is a pita when in red pill mode | 16:39 |
| gomiam | true, true | 16:39 |
| melmoth | feels like wanting to put the whole lot of a tesco score in a little car... | 16:39 |
| gomiam | that's why I prefer apt-get when push comes to shove | 16:39 |
| gomiam | but that requires xterm first | 16:39 |
| melmoth | s/score/store/ | 16:40 |
| infobot_ | melmoth meant: feels like wanting to put the whole lot of a tesco store in a little car... | 16:40 |
| gomiam | btw, did someone say that the ssh server didn't work on the new version? | 16:40 |
| melmoth | works here | 16:40 |
| gomiam | (and that dropbear still did, btw) | 16:40 |
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| lardman | What category would Application manager be under? | 16:40 |
| gomiam | no idea. Perhaps under "updatable applications"? | 16:41 |
| gomiam | It is already installed :-) | 16:41 |
| lardman | N800 looks like the one | 16:41 |
| trevarthan | morning folks.. | 16:42 |
| pupnik | hrm, w3m Unmet build dependencies: libgc-dev libgpmg1-dev libmoe-dev (>= 1.5.0) libgdk-pixbuf-dev | 16:42 |
| trevarthan | I watched Transformers last night and they were like "Nokia, nasty Japanese stuff", and then someone else in the movie was like "Nokia from Finland dude..." and I was like..... wow, cool robots.... | 16:43 |
| gomiam | lol | 16:43 |
| gomiam | :-D | 16:43 |
| gomiam | "stupid american Transformers, not knowing where technology comes from" :-P | 16:44 |
| gla55_ | hah | 16:44 |
| gla55_ | nokias in transformers too? | 16:44 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, all I gotta say is that our giant robots kick the poo out of the Japanese giant robots. That movie was sick. | 16:44 |
| trevarthan | gla55_: Yeah, they turned a Nokia phone into a desepticon. It came alive and started blowing stuff up. Pretty cool. | 16:45 |
| gla55_ | hah | 16:45 |
| gla55_ | nice nice | 16:45 |
| gomiam | XD | 16:45 |
| lardman | Right, I've added a bug for the Application Installer losing list position (#1622) | 16:46 |
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| Jaffa | Is the UI of the App Mgr improved instead of that horrible narrow list of buttons containing categories? | 16:51 |
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| lardman | No, same old | 16:52 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: doesn't seem so | 16:52 |
| lardman | But feels a bit snappier | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | The file manager is also a lot faster in scanning directories.. | 16:53 |
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| lardman | Hmm, has anyone installed the 3.2 SDK update I just saw? | 16:55 |
| lardman | I ask as I just added a bug requestion FORTRAN support, and I suppose it may have been added already | 16:57 |
| lardman | s/requestion/request for | 16:57 |
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| gomiam | Fortran? | 16:57 |
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| gomiam | are you intending to use the N800 as a Fortran development platform? | 16:58 |
| gomiam | that's unusual | 16:58 |
| gomiam | this is a test | 16:58 |
| lardman | No, but I use Octave and other maths tools, and FORTRAN is necessary | 16:58 |
| gomiam | s/is a/is another/ | 16:58 |
| infobot_ | gomiam meant: this is another test | 16:58 |
| gomiam | ow | 16:58 |
| gomiam | I didn't know Octave was able to use FORTRAN. | 16:58 |
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| lardman | Parts are written in FORTRAN | 16:59 |
| suihkulokki | lardman: gfortran for armel needs some work, do you want to volunteer? | 16:59 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: do you have a pointer? | 16:59 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: Odd that the 2.x sdks had working FORTRAN. They were also armel weren't they? | 17:00 |
| * lardman is getting tired of capitals | 17:01 | |
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| suihkulokki | lardman: basicly gfortran-4.2 compiles fine, but for example the compiled refblas3 testsuite reports errors | 17:01 |
| suihkulokki | lardman: old maemo ports where based on arm, while new ones have armel | 17:01 |
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| lardman | suihkulokki: Oh. Which list should I look at for some background. Not sure I'll have the time/any clue as to how to fix, but will take a look | 17:02 |
| lardman | I also thought the exact same toolchain was used for 2.x and 3.0 | 17:03 |
| lardman | I've also been using the 2.x toolchain to successfully create binaries for my N800, but perhaps that will soon end | 17:04 |
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| suihkulokki | lardman: I don't have pointers right here with me, I think it has only been discussed on #debian-arm@irc.debian.org, I'll pick them up later | 17:04 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: Okay thanks, I'll do some googling later on | 17:04 |
| gpd | anyone built fuse for bora and have a .deb handy? | 17:05 |
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| inz | jpt, you can't play all the games, it was just a quick hack to get at least some of them working | 17:08 |
| inz | jpt, the ones that need right button don't work | 17:08 |
| Sho_ | Newbie question: Is it possible to upgrade to the newly-released ITOS without reinstalling all apps? Or does installing (reflashing?) involve wiping the internal memory? | 17:09 |
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| pupnik | gpd: i think so | 17:10 |
| inz | Sho, not all the packages are available in repositories | 17:11 |
| inz | Sho, so short answer is no, you cannot upgrade without reinstalling apps | 17:12 |
| Sho_ | So it's a wipe and a reinstall session, hmkay | 17:12 |
| inz | Long answer: it is technically possible to create debian packages from installed files, but that would be unreliable at best | 17:13 |
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| Dmnhunter | anybody in? | 17:13 |
| inz | no | 17:13 |
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| inz | Why should one be in, then you have a cool cadget to IRC with | 17:13 |
| inz | s/then/when/ | 17:14 |
| infobot_ | inz meant: Why should one be in, when you have a cool cadget to IRC with | 17:14 |
| Sho_ | inz: But the new upgrade is ABI compatible, I assume? | 17:14 |
| Dmnhunter | hey I have been doing a lot of reserch and have yet to find a how to on properly installing metasploit and ideas or links? | 17:14 |
| Dmnhunter | n770 | 17:14 |
| inz | Sho, at least all the packages (that I know of) from the old "boras" work in the new one | 17:15 |
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| Sho_ | Time to backup some stuff from my home dir and /usr/local and write down what apps I have to (re-)install, then ... | 17:15 |
| gomiam | Sho_ don't write them down | 17:16 |
| gomiam | if you have xterm installed | 17:16 |
| gomiam | and are able to sudo gainroot | 17:16 |
| gomiam | you can dpkg --get-selections >/media/mmc1/selections | 17:17 |
| Sho_ | Frankly I ssh to localhost to gain root, that appeared to be the easiest way ;) | 17:17 |
| gomiam | Sho_: ok, it works that way too | 17:17 |
| gomiam | then you'll need to reinstall xterm and becomeroot | 17:17 |
| gomiam | and do a dpkg --get-selections </media/mmc1/selections | 17:17 |
| gomiam | :-) | 17:17 |
| gomiam | ouch | 17:18 |
| gomiam | s/--get/--set/ | 17:18 |
| gomiam | ! | 17:18 |
| gomiam | and do a dpkg --set-selections </media/mmc1/selections | 17:18 |
| Sho_ | It's a bit of a shame that they don't have a better upgrade process, though | 17:18 |
| gomiam | well, you use what you have :-) | 17:18 |
| gomiam | it would be much better if they had an apt-get dist-upgrade way | 17:18 |
| gomiam | but they don't | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | magic:sys is getting towards the apt-get upgrade the whole device. | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | c.f. Ubuntu's ubuntu-desktop meta-package. | 17:19 |
| Sho_ | Thankfully my device is fairly new - if I had a more refined setup already, recreating everything for an upgrade would suck majorly | 17:19 |
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| gomiam | Jaffa: mmm... well... I just reflashed, and checked whether there were updatable apps | 17:19 |
| gomiam | and it found a few :-D | 17:19 |
| gomiam | Sho_: you have made a backup, right? | 17:19 |
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| Sho_ | gomiam: Not yet. What does it backup? $HOME? | 17:20 |
| gomiam | it will save most of your configuration information. | 17:20 |
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| gomiam | you may lose the ssh keys and things like that | 17:20 |
| gomiam | but little more. | 17:20 |
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| gomiam | of course, I have no personal data on the N800 flash. I put everything on the SD cards | 17:20 |
| gomiam | s/ on / in / | 17:20 |
| infobot_ | gomiam meant: of course, I have no personal data in the N800 flash. I put everything on the SD cards | 17:20 |
| gomiam | s/ on / in /g | 17:21 |
| infobot_ | gomiam meant: of course, I have no personal data in the N800 flash. I put everything in the SD cards | 17:21 |
| Sho_ | Well, lots of apps store their junk in dotdirs in $HOME on the internal flash by default .. | 17:21 |
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| gomiam | yup | 17:21 |
| Sho_ | I suppose I could start symlinking like mad | 17:21 |
| gomiam | you may want to zip -r /media/mmc1/user.zip . | 17:21 |
| gomiam | and then reflash | 17:21 |
| * Sho_ hopes his cifs.ko will still work with the new kernel | 17:22 | |
| pupnik | btw you can save a few MB off root by deleting themes and media files | 17:25 |
| suihkulokki | ..and docs | 17:25 |
| gomiam | true, true | 17:25 |
| Sho_ | I deleted all the user manuals for languages I'm unable to read anyway ;) | 17:25 |
| gomiam | I'll do it right now | 17:25 |
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| Dmnhunter | once more and I will leave you guys alone.......anybody here mess with METASPLOIT on the n770? | 17:28 |
| pupnik | just kismet | 17:31 |
| Dmnhunter | thanks pupnik I got it installed today | 17:31 |
| gomiam | wow, Mapper didn't like the reflash | 17:31 |
| Dmnhunter | later guys got to get back to work | 17:31 |
| pupnik | cu | 17:32 |
| Komarov | anyone familiar with bluez-* utils or usage of bluetooth on Nokia N800 in general? | 17:32 |
| gomiam | not me | 17:32 |
| gomiam | what was your question, anyway? | 17:34 |
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| Mikho | ok, I actually managed to install the icons | 17:43 |
| Mikho | but now there's a problem that if I dpkg -r my application, it doesn't remove the .desktop file it installed when installing it with dpkg -i | 17:43 |
| Komarov | just wanted to try printing via bluetooth but don't know whether existing libs support at least sendind raw data to a printer | 17:45 |
| inz | Mikho, does it go if you --purge? | 17:46 |
| Mikho | nope | 17:46 |
| Mikho | isn't it enough to make it install and deinstall automatically by placing it in EXTRA_DIST section in automake.am? | 17:46 |
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| inz | It shouldn't matter how it's installed, dpkg -r should remove all (non-configuration) files contained in the package | 17:52 |
| inz | Only if the file is created by .postinst, would it make sense it is not removed | 17:53 |
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| pupnik | libsdl-net is http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb | 17:57 |
| pupnik | libsdl-net? | 17:57 |
| _Monkey | libsdl-net is probably http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html | 17:57 |
| pupnik | grr | 17:57 |
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| egsavage | hi... i'm running os2007 HE on my new 770 (woot edition) and am noticing an issue with RAM on it... In the Memory app within the control panel, it only shows Device and Removable memory... For the internal memory card it says "no memory card inserted" . Real bug? Is that RAM really not accessible under OS2007-HE ? | 17:59 |
| Mikho | thanks, that was the point exactly. It was created by postinst | 17:59 |
| pupnik | Same here egsavage | 18:00 |
| gla55_ | egsavage: 770 has no internal memory card | 18:00 |
| gla55_ | 800 does | 18:00 |
| Tu13es | the n800 has an internal and removable | 18:00 |
| gla55_ | it's probably that | 18:00 |
| Tu13es | right | 18:00 |
| Mikho | i wonder how the <application>.link file works | 18:00 |
| gla55_ | so it's the missing memory card, which doesn't exist on 770 | 18:00 |
| egsavage | hmm, i swear i saw something down for that card in os2006 | 18:00 |
| egsavage | i'm an obvious newbie of course ;-) | 18:01 |
| pupnik | egsavage: remember that os2007 was written for the n800 and still has some rough edges on the 770 | 18:01 |
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| phsabo | hello | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | the naming is a bit unfortunate -- the "internal" and the "removable" cards on the n800 are both removable, it's just slightly easier to get to the "removable" one | 18:02 |
| phsabo | i'm having a problem with the instructions on this page: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ cause i think http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb this file is missing | 18:02 |
| gomiam | was echo123 the Skype call testing service ? | 18:02 |
| phsabo | specifically this command: apt-get -d install tar | 18:02 |
| egsavage | also noticing I can't seem to delete files on the removable card from within the 770's file manager | 18:02 |
| egsavage | says "Operation failed" | 18:03 |
| phsabo | anyone know whats up? | 18:04 |
| phsabo | or where i could get help | 18:04 |
| pupnik | Interesting: Laika - eclipse IDE for maemo development http://www.cs.tut.fi/~laika/index.shtml | 18:06 |
| pupnik | hi phsabo | 18:06 |
| egsavage | pupnik: nice, i use eclipse | 18:06 |
| lardman | asm gurus, anyone have a page listing idiomatic sequences? | 18:06 |
| phsabo | hey pupnik | 18:07 |
| pupnik | phsabo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.2/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb | 18:07 |
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| phsabo | how would i get that to work with apt-get -d install tar | 18:08 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Damn, that means I need to try to answer my own questions! | 18:08 |
| pupnik | :/ | 18:09 |
| pupnik | phsabo, you should have a tar in your repository list | 18:09 |
| phsabo | well i do but it points to that dead link | 18:09 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search tar |grep ^tar will show you | 18:09 |
| pupnik | hmm | 18:09 |
| OgMaciel | can someone lend me a hand updating my N800... running flasher 3 -f updatefile gives me a white screen with the Nokia logo but nothing seems to be happening | 18:10 |
| phsabo | its wierd cause it worked a couple days ago | 18:10 |
| phsabo | but i was redoing it to configure it differently, and now its gone | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | you can download the deb manually and install with application manager | 18:11 |
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| pupnik | or fix your dependencies | 18:11 |
| pupnik | i mean your sources | 18:11 |
| phsabo | how would i fix my sources? | 18:11 |
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| phsabo | cause they dont install it in the instructions, just download it for some reason | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | OgMaciel: does the flasher say something? | 18:11 |
| pupnik | i am guessing that you need a full version of tar and not the busybox version | 18:12 |
| pupnik | but i don't know | 18:12 |
| phsabo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 18:12 |
| phsabo | whatever i need to do that | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | OgMaciel: did you get a green progressbar at the bottom that went on for 30 seconds and is now gone? | 18:12 |
| OgMaciel | mgedmin: USB device found found at bus 005, device address 008 | 18:12 |
| OgMaciel | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | 18:12 |
| OgMaciel | NOLO version 1.1.3 | 18:12 |
| OgMaciel | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | oh, wait | 18:12 |
| OgMaciel | mgedmin: not really | 18:12 |
| lardman | OgMaciel: That coming from the flasher? | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | OgMaciel: you're supposed to use flasher-3.0 -f -F updatefile | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | or, for extra convenience, flasher-3.0 -f -F updatefile -R | 18:13 |
| OgMaciel | mgedmin: -f -F? | 18:13 |
| * OgMaciel tries | 18:13 | |
| mgedmin | -f tells it to flash; -F file tells it what to flash | 18:13 |
| OgMaciel | hummmm | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | -R tells it to reboot afterwards | 18:13 |
| inz | and --help tells you all of that | 18:13 |
| pupnik | phsabo: you must have an old it2006 if it is trying to get the 2.0 tree | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | without -R you'd get a white screen and the N800 would wait for you to run flasher again with other commands (like setting R&D mode etc.) | 18:13 |
| pupnik | phsabo: i would edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change scirocco to mistral | 18:14 |
| pupnik | oh but first you can try apt-get update | 18:14 |
| phsabo | trying the update | 18:15 |
| OgMaciel | mgedmin: definitely did something this time around... but it didn't reboot... will turn it on in a sec | 18:17 |
| * OgMaciel will brb | 18:17 | |
| phsabo | still a 440 after the update | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | yes, when I flashed today with -R, it didn't reboot, it powered itself off | 18:17 |
| phsabo | still pointing to the maemo2.0 directory in po9ol | 18:17 |
| phsabo | pool* | 18:18 |
| phsabo | how would i do this: "i would edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change scirocco to mistral " | 18:19 |
| phsabo | also, i have the newest os2006 | 18:20 |
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| phsabo | nm got it, thanks | 18:29 |
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| egsavage | hmm, i installed rhapsody on the 770 and when I tried to start it, it told me it's for the N800 and shutdown! :-( | 18:36 |
| egsavage | that was on os2007-he | 18:36 |
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| egsavage | for the 770, is the best deal for RAM this card @ newegg? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134119 | 18:48 |
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| slicky_ | hi | 18:51 |
| slicky_ | what is maemo and what can i use it for? any examples? | 18:51 |
| gomiam | well, almost anything | 18:52 |
| gomiam | you can use it to record or stream live video | 18:52 |
| gomiam | you can use it for WiFI/Bluetooth connectivity, with several mail/IM/VoIP applications | 18:53 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/intro/ | 18:53 |
| gomiam | it supports Bluetooth GPS devices and has applications to work with them | 18:53 |
| gomiam | consider it a small-form-factor UMPC :-) | 18:53 |
| gomiam | because it mostly is | 18:54 |
| melmoth | and sometimes a new firmware is released....as in tooodayyy ) | 18:54 |
| gomiam | argh, maybe one day I will understand how counting goes in Go. | 18:55 |
| Mikho | now this is weird. My dpkg -i installs the .desktop file successfully in /usr/share/applications/hildon, and the newly installed program shows up in the start menu in maemo even though there is no link to it in /etc/others-menu | 18:59 |
| Mikho | and I have no clue how to automatically generate the link file anyway | 18:59 |
| Sho_ | hrrm | 19:00 |
| Sho_ | the start page setting in the browser doesn't work anymore with the new firmware | 19:00 |
| slicky_ | can i use maemo to create desklets for my gnome desktop? | 19:00 |
| melmoth | slicky_, i doubt it..There is no gnome desktop in maemo | 19:01 |
| melmoth | it s targeted at tablet devices. | 19:02 |
| melmoth | and the desktop is hildon. | 19:02 |
| melmoth | most of the stuff are gtk based so if you are familiar with gnome apps, you will feel at home | 19:02 |
| melmoth | but it s not designed to be used on your desktop...Well, may be you want to look at hildon itself, that can be used as a desktop on ...dekstop machine | 19:03 |
| inz | Mikho, the others-menu stuff is long gone, it's not used for anything anymore | 19:04 |
| Mikho | ok, good | 19:04 |
| Mikho | it seems the tutorial is outdated | 19:04 |
| Mikho | so it's enough if the .desktop file is in place, excellent | 19:05 |
| Mikho | Does anyone have experience with Laika (eclipse plugin for developing for scratchbox)? | 19:06 |
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| egsavage | i just got around to seeing the new os2007 for the n800 is out... i'm guess most if not all of the new features will never make it to os2007-he for the 770? | 19:17 |
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| LeiSuRe|em-c | hi dudes | 19:32 |
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| Xenon3DN | Yo. | 19:32 |
| em-c | have someone the udhcpc.script file | 19:32 |
| em-c | i need it ^^ | 19:32 |
| Xenon3DN | Not familiar with it. | 19:32 |
| em-c | is in the folder /etc/udhcpc | 19:32 |
| em-c | i overwrite it :( | 19:32 |
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| Xenon3DN | I can look in a few if nobody else has it. My device isn't nearby. | 19:33 |
| em-c | ohh. :/ | 19:33 |
| gomiam | em-c: hold on a minute. I'll try and upload it somewhere. | 19:33 |
| hrhr | hi all, anybody from Russia? | 19:33 |
| em-c | ohh, that's nice | 19:34 |
| em-c | nope | 19:34 |
| Xenon3DN | Nyet. | 19:34 |
| em-c | ^^ | 19:34 |
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| em-c | have someone experiance with the udhcpc tool? | 19:34 |
| hrhr | I want to know how and where buy n800 in Russia throught Internet or something else =( | 19:35 |
| em-c | ebay? | 19:35 |
| hrhr | no | 19:35 |
| em-c | over the nokia website | 19:36 |
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| hrhr | only for Moscow | 19:36 |
| em-c | hmpf | 19:36 |
| em-c | where do u live? | 19:36 |
| hrhr | Rostov-on-Don | 19:36 |
| em-c | i have no idea | 19:37 |
| em-c | sry | 19:37 |
| em-c | only ebay or nokia | 19:37 |
| hrhr | =( ok....will thinking | 19:37 |
| hrhr | what money I can use in ebay? | 19:38 |
| gla55_ | whatever the seller is willing to take | 19:38 |
| gla55_ | and whatever you trust the seller with | 19:38 |
| em-c | paypal? | 19:38 |
| suihkulokki | hrhr: or you can take a nice overnight train to helsinki and buy it here =) | 19:38 |
| hrhr | no paypal in Russia | 19:38 |
| hrhr | suihkulokki: lol | 19:39 |
| em-c | ^^ | 19:39 |
| em-c | nice road trip | 19:39 |
| hrhr | suihkulokki: road+n800=2*n800 | 19:39 |
| em-c | but u have the device | 19:39 |
| hrhr | and may be more | 19:39 |
| em-c | another possibility? | 19:39 |
| hrhr | no this way | 19:39 |
| em-c | or combine with a holiday trip | 19:40 |
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| hrhr | how mutch shipping from helsinki to Rostov with DHL? | 19:40 |
| hrhr | what companies ships n800 to Russia from Europe? | 19:41 |
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| em-c | i dunno | 19:42 |
| em-c | check google?!? ^^ | 19:42 |
| hrhr | I've expensive gprs traffic for googling | 19:42 |
| hrhr | =( | 19:42 |
| hrhr | sorry | 19:42 |
| em-c | that sucks | 19:42 |
| em-c | no possibilities in the ukraina? | 19:43 |
| em-c | gomiam, have u upload the file? | 19:44 |
| hrhr | ops,em-c, where in ukraine I can buy it? | 19:44 |
| gomiam | yes, but I must have messed something up | 19:44 |
| gomiam | I can access it through the web | 19:44 |
| gomiam | hold on a minute | 19:45 |
| em-c | ok, i thought you have forget me ^^ | 19:45 |
| em-c | i think in kiew? | 19:45 |
| em-c | or ask a big electronic shop for order it | 19:46 |
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| gomiam | http://tadrus.etsiiaa.uva.es/~admin/udhcpc.script | 19:47 |
| gomiam | download that link, em-c | 19:47 |
| gomiam | and tell when you get it. | 19:48 |
| BrianRice | hm. how can I re-flash my 770 if it keeps crashing on boot repeatedly? | 19:48 |
| gomiam | does it crash when you start the flash procedure too? | 19:48 |
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| BrianRice | yes, it seems to be | 19:49 |
| gomiam | I guess you have followed the procedure to the letter: connect N770 to USB and computer | 19:49 |
| BrianRice | I can't ssh in... | 19:49 |
| gomiam | press home button | 19:49 |
| gomiam | press start button | 19:50 |
| em-c | thank u gomiam | 19:50 |
| gomiam | and let go from both when the USB icon shows on the upper-right corner | 19:50 |
| em-c | i download it | 19:50 |
| gomiam | is that correct, Brian? | 19:50 |
| gomiam | you are welcome, em-c | 19:50 |
| BrianRice | gomiam: damn it, I forgot the button sequence. sorry, I'll do that. | 19:50 |
| gomiam | no problem | 19:50 |
| gomiam | I had the same problem a couple of hours ago | 19:50 |
| Tu13es | so, what's the best way to stream music to my n800? I like rhapsody from what i've tried but paying is bad | 19:51 |
| gla55_ | well | 19:51 |
| gomiam | well, you can have a stream service on some PC at home | 19:51 |
| gla55_ | you could run a shoutcast server? | 19:51 |
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| Tu13es | hmm | 19:52 |
| gla55_ | thats the easiest | 19:52 |
| Tu13es | I guess I'd like something that's fast and has a good UI | 19:52 |
| gla55_ | shoutcast server.. that you can control over winamp | 19:52 |
| gomiam | myself, I'm more into dumping the files I like into a memory card :-D | 19:52 |
| Tu13es | I have a mp3tunes account but their client blows | 19:52 |
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| gla55_ | err | 19:52 |
| gla55_ | not winamp | 19:52 |
| gla55_ | but over http | 19:52 |
| gomiam | 2GB is quite a bit to store MP3 files in | 19:52 |
| gla55_ | the thing is that i have a shoutcast server on my winamp and a web interface to the winamp itself | 19:53 |
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| Tu13es | ah | 19:53 |
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| Tu13es | hrm | 19:53 |
| Tu13es | what about Orb? | 19:53 |
| Tu13es | I used that a while ago for TV stuffs | 19:53 |
| gla55_ | should work | 19:53 |
| BrianRice | gomiam: whew, thanks, that seems to have set it up right. | 19:54 |
| Tu13es | ah, crap, Orb is windoze only | 19:55 |
| Tu13es | any other suggestions? | 19:56 |
| gomiam | you are welcome | 19:56 |
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| em-c | gomian, was the script from the n800? | 20:04 |
| gomiam | mmm... yes | 20:04 |
| em-c | k | 20:04 |
| gomiam | are you using an N770? | 20:04 |
| soothsayer | Is there a way to disable the "If the software is not obtained from Nokia, Nokia is unable to guarantee that..." prompt? | 20:04 |
| em-c | no | 20:04 |
| em-c | 800 | 20:04 |
| gomiam | sooth... don't worry about it :-) | 20:04 |
| inz | sooth, sure there's a way to disable it, 1) get source, 2) modify source, 3) compile, 4) install | 20:05 |
| inz | sooth, the source is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/osso-application-installer_4.46.tar.gz | 20:06 |
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| soothsayer | That's just silly | 20:06 |
| soothsayer | What do developers do? | 20:06 |
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| Xenon3DN | Use dpkg? | 20:07 |
| joshin | Flash 9 plugin for the N800... Who do I have to bribe to get it for the 770? | 20:08 |
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| inz | joshin, I'd guess they're taking advantage of the fpu in n800 which makes it incompatible on 770 | 20:09 |
| inz | joshin, so, you'd have to bribe adobe ;) | 20:09 |
| joshin | Yup, or save my bribe money for a N800. | 20:09 |
| soothsayer | Alright, what about removing the Rhapsody icon from 'Favorites'? Is anyone else having a problem with this? | 20:09 |
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| `0660 | has anyone else noticed problems with the id3 parsing in media player? | 20:10 |
| soothsayer | The 'Delete' button is grayed out for me in the 'Organize favorites' | 20:10 |
| gomiam | mmm... you should be able to move it from there quite easily: go to the contorl panel and look at the navigation option | 20:10 |
| gomiam | ow | 20:10 |
| gomiam | really? | 20:10 |
| Xenon3DN | Doh. I meant to ask k-s[AWAY_WORK] something and now I've missed him. | 20:10 |
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| soothsayer | gomiam: Yeah. Maybe I will try to install it and then remove it. Otherwise, in what file is the menu stored/ | 20:11 |
| soothsayer | ? | 20:11 |
| gomiam | no idea, right no. | 20:13 |
| gomiam | s/no\./now./ | 20:13 |
| gomiam | right now | 20:13 |
| soothsayer | Is there anyway to search just the maemo wiki? After the redesign I can't find anything. | 20:16 |
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| fatal- | uh.. this release is many times better than the original version, opera much faster, touchscreen more usable etc | 20:23 |
| BrianRice | fatal-: which release? | 20:23 |
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| hrhr | if I'll buy n800 in german, can I use it on Russian language or I need relash? | 20:27 |
| hrhr | have n800 russian out of the box? | 20:29 |
| `0660 | i think they all have the same languages | 20:29 |
| hrhr | /relash/reflash/ | 20:30 |
| `0660 | there is at least something that looks like russian in the language drop down list :) | 20:30 |
| `0660 | Pyccknn? | 20:30 |
| hrhr | yes=) | 20:31 |
| `0660 | and well | 20:31 |
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| `0660 | not that i think about it | 20:31 |
| hrhr | it's great, thx | 20:31 |
| `0660 | there's only one image anyway | 20:31 |
| dmz | howdy, anyone here an admin of repository.maemo.org | 20:31 |
| `0660 | so it will be supported | 20:31 |
| hrhr | http://web.hoh.de/hoh/(S(fhcvme55nd14qd45rtnhj345))/default.aspx?TY=item&ST=1&IT=26634&CT=1220&SC=&VL=&MV= | 20:31 |
| hrhr | ? | 20:31 |
| dmz | ssh appears to have disappeared :( | 20:31 |
| `0660 | works for me | 20:31 |
| `0660 | or do you mean openssh? | 20:31 |
| hrhr | what do you think about that price? | 20:31 |
| dmz | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso4_armel.deb | 20:32 |
| `0660 | i think it's cheap | 20:32 |
| dmz | yeah i'm trying to install something that depends on openssh | 20:32 |
| `0660 | :/ | 20:32 |
| dmz | it was there last night :( I had to reflash this morning and now it's not happy w/out openssh | 20:32 |
| `0660 | maybe it should depend on dropbear :) | 20:33 |
| tko | hmm, what's the right flasher for intel mac and n800 ? | 20:34 |
| inz | dmz, the maemo2.0 seems to be broken | 20:34 |
| inz | dmz, if you use mistral instead, it most likely works | 20:34 |
| Trencher | well.. the move to mmc was ok | 20:35 |
| Trencher | and it's still stable | 20:35 |
| Trencher | ish | 20:35 |
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| dmz | worth a try :) | 20:37 |
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| inz | tko, does 0xFFFF work on MAC SUX? | 20:40 |
| inz | s/MAC/Mac/ | 20:40 |
| infobot_ | inz meant: tko, does 0xFFFF work on Mac SUX? | 20:40 |
| tko | inz: no idea, I haven't really tried any flasher yet.. and yes I was thinking of (unsigned short)-1 too | 20:41 |
| dmz | actually mistral is also borked :( oh well other places to find them :) | 20:41 |
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| Trencher | hmm | 20:42 |
| Trencher | what's the program called? openssh? | 20:42 |
| Trencher | dmz: u there? | 20:44 |
| Trencher | ... | 20:48 |
| BrianRice | mistral does seem borked :/ | 20:49 |
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| Trencher | wierd | 20:56 |
| Trencher | i got ssh just fine | 20:56 |
| Trencher | lol nvm | 20:56 |
| Trencher | 404 404 404 404 | 20:56 |
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| Trencher | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso4_armel.deb <-- manual install? gonna try it | 21:00 |
| pcfe | hmm, anyone tried maemo mapper on the new IT2007 image? | 21:01 |
| Trencher | nope.. got a 770 | 21:01 |
| Trencher | no new image for me | 21:02 |
| pcfe | I don't get it. It nags at me 'unsupported file format'. Fine I think, the usual sqlite hassle. make a new db, that works and checks out as SQLite 3.x database. dump the old db, use sqlite3 on the dektop to create a new one, mapper still nages | 21:02 |
| pcfe | s/nages/nags/ | 21:03 |
| infobot_ | pcfe meant: I don't get it. It nags at me 'unsupported file format'. Fine I think, the usual sqlite hassle. make a new db, that works and checks out as SQLite 3.x database. dump the old db, use sqlite3 on the dektop to create a new one, mapper still nags | 21:03 |
| melmoth | maemo mappers worked here after the reflash | 21:03 |
| melmoth | just had to re tell where i store the maps. | 21:04 |
| pcfe | melmoth: and you did have a POI database that you created prior to the reflash? | 21:04 |
| melmoth | hmmm. I had some restaurant .... | 21:04 |
| melmoth | let me check if they are still there | 21:04 |
| pcfe | as in, you did have POIs you defined yourself and they still work? | 21:04 |
| melmoth | grumble | 21:05 |
| melmoth | where am i going to eat now ? :) | 21:05 |
| `0660 | pcfe, work perfectly with me | 21:05 |
| `0660 | but i didn't have POI's defined :) | 21:05 |
| melmoth | oh | 21:06 |
| pcfe | oh the rest of mapper works just fine. But I want to keep my POIs | 21:06 |
| melmoth | the poi database is not pointing to the old place | 21:06 |
| melmoth | let change that | 21:06 |
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| eichi | which filesystems can the n800 with maemo use? | 21:06 |
| melmoth | here they are | 21:06 |
| melmoth | pcfe i have them back once i tell where is the poi db located | 21:07 |
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| pcfe | melmoth: aha, that's good news. So now I have to see if it's the fact that I have multi-line descriptions or some Umlauts/accents or it dislikes something about my desktop machines sqlite3 (as I transformed that db from the sqlite 2 format to the 3 format a while ago, albeit under the old image that converted db worked just fine) | 21:08 |
| gomiam | btw, is there a GUI for SQLite on the N800? | 21:09 |
| melmoth | good luck :) | 21:09 |
| pcfe | melmoth: oh, one more question, do you have custom icons for your POI? | 21:09 |
| melmoth | nope, just the regular ugly square | 21:09 |
| pcfe | melmoth: OK, so one more thing I need to test (I do have custom icons) | 21:10 |
| melmoth | i'm rather happy with the reflash..The only stuff i have to re do manually (except program installation) is the fm radio station tuner setting | 21:11 |
| melmoth | i dont get why it s not stored in ~/ | 21:11 |
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| pcfe | argl, got it. It does not understand the format my desktop box outputs with sqlite3 :-( | 21:12 |
| pcfe | damn | 21:12 |
| gomiam | melmoth: my backup kept my FM stations | 21:14 |
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| gomiam | interesting, isn't it? | 21:14 |
| melmoth | hmmm | 21:14 |
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| melmoth | i just reflash and untarr back a /home/user tarball i made recently . | 21:14 |
| pcfe | FWIW: my FM radio stations also are back after restoring the pre-update backup | 21:14 |
| gomiam | ow, melmoth, didn't you use the backup tool? | 21:15 |
| melmoth | i dont rememebr if i reinstalled the radio before or after backup reinjection... | 21:15 |
| melmoth | backup tool ? | 21:15 |
| melmoth | backup tool ? | 21:15 |
| melmoth | rsync over ssh is my backup tool :) | 21:16 |
| gomiam | yes, in the control panel there is one | 21:16 |
| melmoth | i never try it | 21:16 |
| melmoth | does it ...actually works ? | 21:16 |
| melmoth | with a linux desktop ? | 21:16 |
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| gomiam | ah, I learned to use it after my first reflash :-) | 21:16 |
| gomiam | mmm... I just dumped the backup file on a SD card | 21:16 |
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| pcfe | just someone check my sanity please. "sqlite3 ~/Desktop/poi-test.db .dump | sqlite3 ~/Desktop/banana.db" and poi-test being a POI db I created on the N800 just now with some test point and that works, but when writing back to the N800 mapper cannot read banana, then there is something it does not like about my desktops sqlite3. Or did I do some silly typo. | 21:18 |
| soothsayer | Anybody have a good/complete sources.list for N800? | 21:18 |
| Trencher | why does everyone ask when i don't have the page up? | 21:19 |
| gomiam | no idea, soothsayer. You may want mine, just in case :-) | 21:19 |
| Trencher | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en | 21:19 |
| Trencher | put em in by hand, like a REAL MAN | 21:19 |
| Trencher | lol | 21:19 |
| gomiam | Trencher: my hero :-D | 21:20 |
| eichi | which filesystems can the n800 with maemo use? | 21:20 |
| Trencher | iono.. | 21:20 |
| Trencher | linux, fat? | 21:20 |
| melmoth | well..Time to test this new restaurant .... | 21:20 |
| gomiam | natively... jffs and vfat | 21:20 |
| gomiam | there's a module for ext2 support too | 21:20 |
| soothsayer | Thanks Trencher. Is there an actual sources.list there though? | 21:20 |
| Trencher | nope | 21:20 |
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| gomiam | soothsayer: hold on, I'll try to DCC you mine | 21:21 |
| feig | i thought that ext3 was supported natively | 21:21 |
| Trencher | you could type one up | 21:21 |
| Trencher | from that | 21:21 |
| Trencher | then transfer it | 21:21 |
| Trencher | it's a pretty simple format | 21:21 |
| gomiam | trying to send... | 21:21 |
| soothsayer | Trencher: Yeah I know. I use it often | 21:21 |
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| gomiam | did the DCC attempt reach you, soothsayer? | 21:22 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: Nope | 21:22 |
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| gomiam | oh, my bad. Sorry | 21:22 |
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| gomiam | trying again... | 21:23 |
| soothsayer | Trencher: It would just be a lot easier to have one that is already made, which I can edit to my liking | 21:24 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: I'm not seeing anything on my end | 21:24 |
| gomiam | ok | 21:24 |
| gomiam | I'll /query you and dump it there :-) | 21:24 |
| Trencher | i can format the ones from that page.. it's REALLY simple | 21:24 |
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| soothsayer | It would be nice if you added an 'export as sources.list' feature :) | 21:25 |
| eichi | cp /etc/apt/source.list /media/mmc1/ | 21:25 |
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| eichi | thats it ^^ | 21:26 |
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| gomiam | heh, flood kick | 21:26 |
| gomiam | /dcc chat soothsayer | 21:26 |
| gomiam | ouch | 21:26 |
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| Trencher | I C WUT U DID THAR | 21:27 |
| gomiam | there used to be some site that allowed you to paste a bit of text for others to see | 21:27 |
| gomiam | do you remember its name? | 21:27 |
| Xenon3DN | pastebin.ca | 21:27 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: pastebin.ca | 21:27 |
| soothsayer | Xenon3DN: Damn you're quick | 21:27 |
| gomiam | thanks :-D | 21:28 |
| Xenon3DN | ;) | 21:28 |
| Xenon3DN | I am a fount of trivial information. | 21:28 |
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| Trencher | A VERITABLE FOUNT | 21:28 |
| gomiam | http://pastebin.ca/606195 | 21:28 |
| gomiam | there it is | 21:28 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: Thanks. | 21:28 |
| gomiam | you are welcome | 21:28 |
| gomiam | you may want to prune it a bit | 21:28 |
| gomiam | since I consistently add all architecture branches (mistral, scirocco, gregale, bora) | 21:29 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: Yeah, I'll definitely do at least some tweaking | 21:29 |
| gomiam | :-D | 21:29 |
| gomiam | good | 21:29 |
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| Trencher | :( | 21:37 |
| Trencher | need adduser and debconf | 21:37 |
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| Trencher | o well.. forget ssh | 21:41 |
| gomiam | Trencher: what do you need adduser and debconf for? | 21:43 |
| Trencher | openssh | 21:44 |
| Trencher | i dled the package manually, and tried installing it while in red pill mode | 21:44 |
| Trencher | and it said it needs those | 21:44 |
| gomiam | ! | 21:44 |
| Trencher | but i can't find them | 21:44 |
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| gomiam | I had a reference to that in my list | 21:44 |
| gomiam | let me check | 21:44 |
| gomiam | can you find openssh-installer? | 21:45 |
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| * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. | 21:48 | |
| Xenon3DN | He's back. | 21:48 |
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| k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: what's up? | 21:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 21:48 |
| Trencher | i'll try that | 21:49 |
| Xenon3DN | I tried reading the canola.db with sqlite3, but when I do a .tables to see what I have, it insists that it's either an encrypted database, or not a database file. Any insight there? | 21:49 |
| gomiam | I don't know which is the repository, Trencher | 21:50 |
| gomiam | btw, has anybody had any success with the aircrack-ng package? | 21:50 |
| Trencher | i got it | 21:50 |
| Trencher | and no | 21:50 |
| gomiam | I can install and sniff... but I'm apparently unable to replay or things like that. | 21:51 |
| keesj | gomiam: I tried it on the 770 and it "worked" i could log/monitor packets | 21:51 |
| gomiam | keesj: yes, I know that part seems to work ok | 21:52 |
| gomiam | the replay attacks are the problem | 21:52 |
| gomiam | I can't get my mind around the instructions I have found. | 21:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: join #canola | 21:52 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: By 'replay' do you mean the packet injection? | 21:53 |
| gomiam | yup | 21:53 |
| gomiam | the program use is aireplay | 21:53 |
| Xenon3DN | Ok. Be there in a sec, k-s. | 21:53 |
| gomiam | s/use/used/ | 21:54 |
| infobot_ | gomiam meant: the program used is aireplay | 21:54 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: Are you sure your network card is supported? The one on my laptop isn't. | 21:54 |
| Trencher | lol laptop? | 21:55 |
| Trencher | aircrack-ng for 770 | 21:55 |
| Trencher | woot | 21:55 |
| gomiam | mmm... well, I don't know. But since it's Linux I would expect it to work | 21:55 |
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| gomiam | and I suppose Nokia put a complete driver for the wifi card | 21:56 |
| soothsayer | Trencher: aircrack-ng wasn't originally written for the N770, it was ported. | 21:56 |
| soothsayer | gomiam: You're trying on your N800/770? | 21:56 |
| Trencher | i know | 21:56 |
| gomiam | soothsayer: of course :-D | 21:56 |
| OgMaciel | anyone recommend a good rss reader for the N800? | 21:56 |
| gomiam | where's the fun otherwise? | 21:56 |
| Trencher | i have it on my lappy.. works great for pulling keys off people's comps | 21:56 |
| Trencher | so they can write them down or something | 21:56 |
| soothsayer | OgMaciel: They are all crap as far as I'm concerned. Whenever I get around to it I'm just going to email my feeds. | 21:57 |
| soothsayer | OgMaciel: You can try Tokash's interface to Google reader if an 'online' reader is okay | 21:57 |
| OgMaciel | soothsayer: hummm... thanks for the tip | 21:58 |
| gomiam | OgMaciel: the included one works well enough for me | 21:58 |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: it crashes for me whenever it tries to update a second feed | 21:58 |
| gomiam | (except that it tries to update whenever I connect to the Internet) | 21:58 |
| OgMaciel | true | 21:58 |
| gomiam | OgMaciel: which are your feeds? | 21:58 |
| gomiam | I currently have just three or four. | 21:58 |
| soothsayer | OgMaciel: Try validating the feeds to make sure they are well-formed. | 21:59 |
| OgMaciel | soothsayer: good point | 22:00 |
| OgMaciel | I've added planet.gnome.org and planet.ubuntu.com | 22:00 |
| OgMaciel | it crashes when it tries to validate anything but p.g.o | 22:01 |
| gomiam | please paste the planet.gnome.org RSS feed | 22:01 |
| OgMaciel | k | 22:02 |
| gomiam | and the planet.ubuntu.org | 22:02 |
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| gomiam | I'm lazy and don't want to look them up :-P | 22:02 |
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| fdsd | hey guys, is it possible to run the new firmware for the n800 on a 770 some how? | 22:02 |
| soothsayer | http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplanet.gnome.org | 22:03 |
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| gomiam | fdsd there's a project to port IT OS 2007 to N770 | 22:03 |
| gomiam | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | 22:03 |
| gomiam | check there | 22:03 |
| soothsayer | There is no such thing as planet.ubuntu.org | 22:03 |
| fdsd | thanks | 22:03 |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: http://planet.gnome.org/rss20.xml | 22:03 |
| Trencher | seeing as the new os just came out | 22:03 |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/rss20.xml | 22:03 |
| Trencher | give it a while for them to update 2007he | 22:03 |
| trevarthan | badmonkey? | 22:04 |
| fdsd | Trencher, do you know if it works well on the 770? | 22:04 |
| trevarthan | bad monkey? | 22:04 |
| fdsd | any way to trade in my nokia 770 for a n800? | 22:04 |
| fdsd | lol | 22:04 |
| Trencher | works fine.. couple of programs don't work right though | 22:04 |
| trevarthan | stupid monkey forgets things. | 22:04 |
| soothsayer | http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplanet.ubuntulinux.org%2Frss20.xml | 22:04 |
| Trencher | osso-statusbar was a bust | 22:04 |
| * joshin wonders if garage.maemo.org runs on a 770 | 22:04 | |
| fdsd | even though I have an iPhone now, i still love my 770 | 22:04 |
| trevarthan | stupid monkey? | 22:04 |
| nate12o6 | how much more features does the 800 have than the 770? | 22:04 |
| joshin | nate12o6: 12 | 22:04 |
| Trencher | and lxdoom doesn't work for me | 22:04 |
| wumpus | hehe | 22:04 |
| nate12o6 | heh | 22:04 |
| Trencher | lol | 22:04 |
| nate12o6 | anything drastic that is new? | 22:05 |
| Trencher | faster cpu, more memory, camera.. fm radio | 22:05 |
| tko | fdsd: http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html | 22:05 |
| Trencher | case redesign | 22:05 |
| Trencher | newer os | 22:05 |
| soothsayer | OgMaciel: ^ That feed doesn't validate. | 22:05 |
| ericz | is the camera crap? | 22:05 |
| Trencher | LACK of cover | 22:05 |
| soothsayer | OgMaciel: Maybe it is causing a problem. | 22:05 |
| trevarthan | yes | 22:05 |
| gomiam | planet.gnome work sok, it seems | 22:05 |
| OgMaciel | soothsayer: apparently neither does g.p.o ;/ | 22:05 |
| gomiam | adding planet.ubuntu | 22:05 |
| fdsd | I love the cover on the 770 I wish the n800 had it | 22:05 |
| Trencher | i wish lxdoom worked... | 22:06 |
| trevarthan | actually, I would say the camera app is crap. The camera itself is average. | 22:06 |
| Trencher | that's all i lack | 22:06 |
| nate12o6 | well the reason i came here was to find out if anyone has gotten pptp vpn to work with maemo? | 22:06 |
| ||cw | doom doens't work on the 800? it does on the 770 | 22:06 |
| Trencher | and maybe some sort of cpu status icon | 22:06 |
| soothsayer | OgMaciel: Feedvalidator says p.g.o is valid, but there shouldn't be HTML in the title | 22:06 |
| Trencher | no, it doesn't work for my install of 2007he on the 770 | 22:06 |
| ||cw | Trencher: you have that option, check the application cataloge | 22:07 |
| Trencher | i have a 770 | 22:07 |
| Trencher | it's dled and installed, it just won't run | 22:07 |
| gomiam | planet.ubuntulinux works ok | 22:07 |
| Trencher | it ran in it2006 | 22:07 |
| OgMaciel | soothsayer: gotcha | 22:07 |
| Trencher | but nethack didn't | 22:07 |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: maybe the new rss reader is better? | 22:07 |
| Trencher | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7262 | 22:07 |
| gomiam | it might be | 22:07 |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: I tried those yesterday | 22:07 |
| ||cw | Trencher: works for me, but on 2006 | 22:08 |
| Trencher | worked for me on 2006 | 22:08 |
| gomiam | they are loading for me without a beep | 22:08 |
| Trencher | might flash back | 22:08 |
| Trencher | not much in 2007 worth the upgrade | 22:08 |
| Trencher | except for nethack working | 22:08 |
| gomiam | lol @ Trencher | 22:09 |
| soothsayer | Anyone know how to install applications from apt-get without the prompt for where I want the shortcut installed to come up? | 22:09 |
| Trencher | :( | 22:09 |
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| gomiam | "except for nethack working" | 22:09 |
| gomiam | that was a good one :-D | 22:09 |
| Trencher | wut? | 22:10 |
| gomiam | "not much in 2007 worth the upgrade except for nethack working" | 22:10 |
| Trencher | seriously | 22:10 |
| gomiam | I found that funny | 22:10 |
| Trencher | only plus i've had | 22:10 |
| Trencher | it lags out alot | 22:10 |
| Trencher | until i disconnect from network | 22:10 |
| gomiam | well, I'm leaving. It's time to go see what has happened in the Big BLue Room | 22:11 |
| Trencher | gl hf dd ka | 22:11 |
| wumpus | whoa nethack | 22:12 |
| wumpus | do people still play that | 22:12 |
| Trencher | yes | 22:12 |
| Trencher | most fun | 22:12 |
| Trencher | i used to play castle of the winds, but i beat it | 22:13 |
| Trencher | and this is much more complex | 22:13 |
| Trencher | played majormud before that | 22:13 |
| Trencher | THAT was a headache | 22:13 |
| wumpus | I used to play it a long time ago | 22:13 |
| wumpus | back when linux was starting to spread, 1996 or so | 22:13 |
| keesj | skype mail! | 22:13 |
| Trencher | hmm | 22:13 |
| Trencher | 1996.. | 22:13 |
| wumpus | anyway it was fun :) | 22:14 |
| Trencher | yeah, i played mud then | 22:14 |
| Trencher | was only 9 | 22:14 |
| Trencher | in 1996 | 22:14 |
| keesj | Take a deep breath. Skype is now available on the Nokia N800, | 22:14 |
| Trencher | Take a deep breath, then START TALKING | 22:14 |
| wumpus | I was 15 | 22:14 |
| wumpus | Trencher: yeah, finally | 22:14 |
| nate12o6 | why would anyone want to use skype instead of gizmo? | 22:14 |
| Trencher | cuz more people have it | 22:15 |
| Trencher | lol | 22:15 |
| wumpus | that's about a year after they promised it but heh | 22:15 |
| Fatal | and for a device that didn't exist when they promised it | 22:15 |
| keesj | need more battery power! | 22:15 |
| gomiam | OgMaciel: _you_ are in the planet.ubuntulinux.org RSS XD | 22:16 |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: yup ;) | 22:16 |
| Trencher | http://www.explosm.net/comics/948/ LOLOLOLOL | 22:16 |
| trevarthan | skype is available? or are you all hoaxing again? | 22:17 |
| gomiam | by the way, it looks like the p.u.o RSS feed is quite big. It has taken about 10 seconds for the load to go down | 22:17 |
| gomiam | trevarthan: want to check? | 22:17 |
| Trencher | skype is available | 22:17 |
| keesj | nore the real thing | 22:17 |
| gomiam | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-d134757e2b8e11dc9457cfd6b50760006000 | 22:17 |
| gomiam | read that | 22:17 |
| * vims0r wants a new hackerOS :( | 22:17 | |
| Trencher | it was in my AM | 22:17 |
| * Trencher wants a new hackerOS :( | 22:17 | |
| OgMaciel | gomiam: I will check it out as soon as I'm done blogging in Brazilian Portuguese ;) | 22:18 |
| * gomiam wants a girlfriend whose last name isn't JPG | 22:18 | |
| gomiam | :-P | 22:18 |
| Trencher | so that means that skype is also available for the 770.. doesn't mean it WORKS | 22:18 |
| keesj | single memory card support up to 8 GB , happy happy joy joy | 22:18 |
| OgMaciel | HAHAHA | 22:18 |
| Trencher | lol i already got that. | 22:18 |
| Fatal | Real Rhapsody player easy installer (available for US. residents only) | 22:19 |
| Fatal | haha, wtf | 22:19 |
| gomiam | ok, really leaving this time | 22:19 |
| gomiam | have fun | 22:19 |
| OgMaciel | thanks gomiam! | 22:19 |
| Trencher | GTFO | 22:19 |
| trevarthan | hmmm... cool. sounds like I've got a 5 hour firmware upgrade to do tonight... | 22:22 |
| trevarthan | I really doubt I'll care about skype, but the battery usage thing looks worthwhile. | 22:23 |
| roope | touch screen driver update is good. | 22:24 |
| trevarthan | yeah. I saw that too. That looks promising. Damn thing has been pissing me off for quite a while. :) | 22:24 |
| trevarthan | too many double clicks. | 22:24 |
| trevarthan | or none when there should be one | 22:25 |
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| ericz | i want skype on the 770 :( | 22:25 |
| * ericz wishes | 22:25 | |
| Trencher | ... | 22:26 |
| Trencher | then upgrade to the 2007 os | 22:26 |
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| Trencher | and skype is there | 22:26 |
| Trencher | dunno if it works | 22:26 |
| trevarthan | I don't think I know anyone who uses skype.... | 22:26 |
| roope | skype requires quite much processing power. | 22:26 |
| roope | that's also why a lot of the windows mobile devices, a bit older ones, can't just support it. not enough processing power. | 22:26 |
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| keesj | I know I will flash at some point , first let other ask if they can apt-get dist-upgrade | 22:30 |
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| sesamebike | hi! I'm setting up a low end laptop for my sister. Currently using xubuntu but I like the idea of using the hildon desktop instead. I there a guide on how to (build?) install the hildon desktop? Or maybe a livecd one could check it out with? | 22:32 |
| ||cw | hilton is't really designed for desktop use. Try xfce, very low memory usage and will be familiar as a desktop | 22:34 |
| ||cw | oh, right, xubuntu...already xfce | 22:34 |
| ericz | wow, super mario brothers 2 runs slow in fceu :P | 22:36 |
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| sesamebike | yes, you're probably right. but I like the gui alot and it would be cool ;) | 22:36 |
| keesj | ericz: read this http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html | 22:36 |
| ericz | saw it :( | 22:36 |
| sesamebike | ok, thanks anyway. cheers! | 22:37 |
| keesj | still it pretty good and fair news i think. there is going to be a new 770 hacker release, so much good news | 22:37 |
| joshin | Has anyone asked Nokia if there's a way (even if we have to pay a few $) to get a newer version of Opera and the Flash plugin? | 22:37 |
| ericz | i just got my 770, too scared to try HE 2007 | 22:38 |
| ||cw | is there a flash 9? | 22:38 |
| joshin | Yup, in the new N800 release. | 22:38 |
| ||cw | and why can't that be released for the 770? | 22:38 |
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| ||cw | I sort of understand opera, but flash is free and in beer anyway | 22:39 |
| keesj | ericz: I can imagine. still it's a lot of fun. I think it's even a little faster | 22:39 |
| joshin | ||cw: Possibly speed issues, possibly politics, possibly both. | 22:39 |
| ||cw | as in * | 22:39 |
| qgil | sesamebike: if you want to try http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog/?p=205 | 22:39 |
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| ||cw | joshin: there are some flash 6 things the 770 isn't fast enough for either | 22:39 |
| ||cw | would be nice to have the option to try | 22:40 |
| joshin | I don't disagree. | 22:40 |
| ||cw | has anyone tried dropping the .so on a 770? the arch is the same right? | 22:40 |
| sesamebike | qgil: thanks. I'll check it out. | 22:40 |
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| ||cw | wonder if nokia builds the opera binary or if opera does | 22:42 |
| mbuf | quick question, regarding the window on N800, who decides on the window focus? | 22:43 |
| trevarthan | there is only one active window | 22:44 |
| trevarthan | it has focus | 22:44 |
| keesj | here is a nice usability test goto maemo.org and try to download the new image | 22:45 |
| `0660 | the window manager? | 22:45 |
| joshin | ||cw: I'm trying to get my paws on a N800 image to see what I can do with it. I figure to order a N800 soon and will pass down my 770 to the kids. | 22:45 |
| mbuf | trevarthan, so if i get a phone call and SMS while listening to music, who decides which interface shows up? | 22:46 |
| trevarthan | the application itself would decide. But usually it would just stay in the background. | 22:48 |
| tko | keesj: the most difficult part was entering the product id.. and then trying to figure out if I can use intel mac for flashing | 22:49 |
| trevarthan | There isn't a phone or SMS built into the n800 by default, so the point is moot. | 22:49 |
| `0660 | to my understanding the application can request focus from the window manager | 22:49 |
| tko | 770 and n800 are binary incompatible so you can't really mix .so's | 22:49 |
| `0660 | it might be a skype call and an email :) | 22:49 |
| trevarthan | I don't think any of those apps switch focus though. | 22:50 |
| tko | `0660: email doesn't require user interaction 'right now' | 22:50 |
| ||cw | tko: flash is usually statically compiled though, it can't hurt to try :) | 22:50 |
| trevarthan | Only one I can think of that does is the camera app. | 22:50 |
| trevarthan | Opening the camera pops up google talk. | 22:50 |
| `0660 | neither does an sms :) | 22:50 |
| tko | ||cw: but 770 was old abi while n800 is eabi, afaik it's comparable to amd64 trying to run 32bit shared libraries without knowing they're 32bit | 22:51 |
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| ||cw | tko: pretty sure i've heard of people sinaallign and running 770 apps on an 800 | 22:53 |
| ||cw | but with the abi, the 800 could know about the old where the 770 cna't know about the new | 22:53 |
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| mbuf | is it possible to configure the window manager based on different events, say application X is on focus, and application Y is requesting focus | 22:53 |
| keesj | tko: what links did you follow from the main page on? | 22:53 |
| tko | keesj: 'feature upgrade' and 'available for download' | 22:54 |
| `0660 | mbuf, i thin the current window manager is pretty lightweight | 22:55 |
| `0660 | but naturally it could be implemented :) | 22:55 |
| trevarthan | mbuf: you don't sound like you've ever used an maemo tablet. | 22:55 |
| suihkulokki | tko: only first release od 770 was old abi, the itos2006 was eabi already | 22:55 |
| sesamebike | hmm, will following this guide http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability give me a system like this http://www.katix.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=4906&g2_imageViewsIndex=2 ? | 22:56 |
| tko | suihkulokki: details, details.. :-] | 22:56 |
| tko | I only work there.. :-P | 22:56 |
| trevarthan | mbuf: It's pretty simplistic. You've got the active application full screen in your face, then you can switch to other applications. There isn't a whole lot of window management. | 22:56 |
| trevarthan | Everything is pretty much always fullscreen or nothing at all. | 22:56 |
| suihkulokki | tko: yeah, and that's like ancient history :) | 22:56 |
| Sho_ | Is it safe to change the hostname in /etc/hosts, btw? | 22:56 |
| mbuf | trevarthan, ok | 22:56 |
| tko | suihkulokki: very much, yes | 22:56 |
| tko | I mean 770 :) | 22:56 |
| tko | I mean n800 :-P | 22:57 |
| trevarthan | mbuf: I actually rather prefer it to conventional desktop window managers. I wouldn't mind running it on a desktop either. :) | 22:58 |
| trevarthan | It's much less confusing for new users. | 22:58 |
| roope | Yeah. multiple windows wouldn't work on such a small screen. | 22:58 |
| roope | simultaneous windows, that is. | 22:58 |
| tko | but I want my windows randomly and partially overlapping each other so that I have some window corners to hunt! :) | 22:59 |
| trevarthan | roope: But it still keeps the task bar and the system tray. That's a nice twist. Pocket PCs usually do away with the task bar, which makes switching windows a pain. | 22:59 |
| `0660 | :) | 22:59 |
| roope | Well. There's... :) Well yes. | 22:59 |
| roope | There's many opinions on that, but yes. | 22:59 |
| trevarthan | mbuf: if you want to see the taskbar, you hit the fullscreen key (F6?). If you want it to go away, you hit it again. It's rather elegant. | 23:00 |
| `0660 | yeah! where's our freedom to resize the windows? :) | 23:00 |
| trevarthan | screw freedom. I want efficiency. | 23:00 |
| jpt9 | has anyone ported a SID player to the 770? | 23:01 |
| jpt9 | i would *love* one. | 23:01 |
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| roope | besides, showing only one app at a time is a quite good thing for performance. | 23:01 |
| `0660 | don't you know that freedom = democracy = good? :) | 23:01 |
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| trevarthan | `0660: not in computing. Dead simple = good. | 23:02 |
| `0660 | oh :) | 23:02 |
| tko | well, you're free to rewire your cpu to get a different instruction set and go from there up the software stack | 23:03 |
| tko | so why don't you? :) | 23:04 |
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| `0660 | maybe i will! :) | 23:04 |
| trevarthan | jpt9: what's an sid player? | 23:04 |
| jpt9 | a program that plays SIDs -- C64 music files. | 23:05 |
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| trevarthan | wow. why don't you transcode that bad boy into an mp3? | 23:05 |
| roope | 100x smaller files, for one. | 23:05 |
| phsabo | hey, is there a way once you have installed the boot menu on the 770 to get it to connect to a PC to transfer files onto the card?? | 23:05 |
| Pio | at least | 23:05 |
| trevarthan | :) | 23:05 |
| tko | because then you'd only have an mp3 and lose your oldschool status :) | 23:05 |
| Pio | sids are scary small | 23:05 |
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| jpt9 | basically. | 23:06 |
| ttuttle_ | Hey. Are any of the improvements in the latest N800 ITOS going to be backported or included in Hacker Edition? | 23:06 |
| suihkulokki | I'm fairly certain someone ported a sidplayer over | 23:06 |
| jpt9 | where? | 23:06 |
| trevarthan | What is Hacker Edition anyway? | 23:06 |
| tko | ttuttle_: http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html | 23:06 |
| suihkulokki | I don't remember where, and I'm to lazy to google for anyone else | 23:07 |
| ttuttle_ | trevarthan: It's a combination of the last 2006 for the 770 and as much as they can include from a certain version of 2007 for the N800. | 23:07 |
| trevarthan | Seems like there are a lot of flavors of maemo floating around for something with so much proprietary code in it... | 23:07 |
| suihkulokki | you are free to make your own 100% flavour | 23:07 |
| ericz | hey ttuttle_ :) been getting NES roms, im destroying my battery with jeopardy | 23:08 |
| trevarthan | So basically the 770 firmware isn't being released anymore and it's a backport of the n800 firmware as much as possible? | 23:08 |
| ttuttle_ | trevarthan: Nope. The proprietary parts are just swapped in and out like building block. | 23:08 |
| ttuttle_ | trevarthan: Yeah. | 23:08 |
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| Spec | i want to compile......https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ | 23:08 |
| Spec | and i have a scratchbox, do i need to get the kernel sources for os2006 as well to do such a thing? | 23:09 |
| phsabo | anyone use the 770 with the init_flash boot menu? | 23:10 |
| BrianRice | phsabo: no, but i should. | 23:11 |
| phsabo | i can't get it to connect to the PC with it on there :( | 23:11 |
| keesj | flashing....flashed.... | 23:13 |
| ttuttle_ | jpt9: Oh, do some work. :-b | 23:16 |
| keesj | "maemo" something new to play every few month :p | 23:16 |
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| trevarthan | anyone in here wish there was a2dp for n800? I got it working if you haven't heard yet. | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | (pardon the daily shameless plug) | 23:18 |
| OgMaciel | hehe | 23:18 |
| phsabo | is there any forums on which i can post if i have problems? | 23:19 |
| * tko guesses a2dp might have something to do with bluetooth audio | 23:19 | |
| trevarthan | ttf? | 23:19 |
| trevarthan | itf? | 23:19 |
| trevarthan | damn broken monkey | 23:19 |
| trevarthan | itt? | 23:20 |
| ttuttle_ | lol | 23:20 |
| ttuttle_ | itt | 23:20 |
| ttuttle_ | hmm. | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | forget it. | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | phsabo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3365 | 23:20 |
| ttuttle_ | infobot_: itt | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | you suck _Monkey. | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | phsabo: ignore that thread. But internet tablet talk is the place you want, I think. | 23:21 |
| phsabo | ok thanks | 23:22 |
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| keesj | skype dialogs have a real hildon look and feel , I did not try to change my theme. | 23:23 |
| keesj | anybody in for a quick test chat? | 23:23 |
| trevarthan | can you IM with skype? Or is it voice only? | 23:23 |
| OgMaciel | keesj: gimme a few and I'll try | 23:23 |
| ericz | you can IM | 23:23 |
| keesj | I think that some skype windows version even support video | 23:24 |
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| roope | keesj: not currently. yes, with an external 3rd party plugin, like festoon. | 23:27 |
| roope | but then it's not really skype video. it's festoon video, which just initiatse its session piggybacking skype. | 23:27 |
| trevarthan | I'd like to test out that skype plugin for asterisk. I do a lot of asterisk stuff. might be cool. | 23:28 |
| ttuttle_ | So no chance for Skype on the 770? That's too bad. | 23:31 |
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| mmiller | Anyone upgrade their N800 yet? | 23:34 |
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| ericz | skype takes forever to sign in on my ubuntu 7.04, 1.8ghz, 512mb ram desktop.. can't imagine running it on a 770 | 23:34 |
| keesj | my first call was with the skype call testing service | 23:35 |
| keesj | I have no friend | 23:35 |
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| ttuttle_ | keesj: awwww. | 23:39 |
| `0660 | ericz, the beta? | 23:39 |
| ericz | yeah, i guess it is | 23:40 |
| trevarthan | mmiller: I haven't. I've got some dev work to do this weekend. Can't risk f'ing up my dependencies... | 23:40 |
| `0660 | 1.4? because it's quite snappy with me | 23:41 |
| ericz | Skype Beta 1.4.0.74 | 23:41 |
| monteslu | thoughtfix is getting dugg down on the N800 article :( ... if any is logged in, hook him up | 23:41 |
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| trevarthan | I wish I knew what that meant. | 23:42 |
| monteslu | trevarthan, digg.com | 23:43 |
| monteslu | kinda like slashdot, but with even worse comments .... | 23:43 |
| monteslu | though not as bad as youtube :) | 23:43 |
| ttuttle_ | Oh, the articles on Digg suck too. | 23:44 |
| trevarthan | which one is thoughtfix's post? | 23:44 |
| monteslu | they're user submitted, not all of them suck | 23:44 |
| monteslu | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Nokia_N800_has_a_new_Firmware | 23:44 |
| ttuttle_ | There's this sort of thing where if people feel like they're getting a new, interesting piece of content, they'll digg it. The dumbest stuff gets through. And the top-ten list of why top-ten lists make great Digg articles of course made Digg. | 23:45 |
| monteslu | ttuttle_, sure, but if you are looking at just a limited section (like linux_unix) you'll find some interesting things from time to time | 23:46 |
| Sho_ | Whew ... several hours later, I'm done with the upgrade | 23:46 |
| Spec | how did the n800 get flash 9? | 23:50 |
| Spec | does adobe make a flash for the arm proc? | 23:50 |
| Sho_ | Spec: yes | 23:50 |
| Spec | can it work in os2006/n770? | 23:51 |
| Sho_ | dunno | 23:51 |
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| monteslu | Spec, I bet it would work fine, but good luck getting Nokia to update the 770 to use it | 23:52 |
| Spec | 2007 hacker edition? | 23:53 |
| Spec | nokia doesn't give any love to the 770 anymore, right? | 23:53 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: No, they suck infinitely. | 23:53 |
| Spec | nokia? | 23:54 |
| soothsayer | Things will get better when Gutsy mobile is released. | 23:54 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: I just got mine last week (Woot). | 23:54 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: Yeah. | 23:54 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: same | 23:54 |
| ttuttle_ | soothsayer: Ubuntu? | 23:54 |
| soothsayer | ttuttle_: Ubuntu mobile | 23:54 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: working on hacking WEP still, (injection isn't quite working as far as i can tell) | 23:54 |
| Spec | Gusty mobile? | 23:54 |
| Sho_ | The majority of the Maemo userbase still seems to be on the N770 | 23:54 |
| Spec | Will that work on the 770? | 23:54 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: Nokia should support them. They're still on sale. You wouldn't make a TV that randomly shut off while you were watching it, or didn't get certain channels, and just stop fixing the problems, would you? | 23:54 |
| soothsayer | Spec: It's a different project | 23:54 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: I WOULD. | 23:54 |
| Spec | soothsayer: it can be a different project and work on the 770, right? | 23:55 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: Yeah, 'cause the N770 is still a useful device. Nokia should just realize they were wrong and (here's the important part) *allocate new budget to it*. | 23:55 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: i mean, why would you support a tv that shuts off randomly and can't get certain channels? ^.~ | 23:55 |
| soothsayer | Spec: It's based on Maemo. My point is that hopefully you will no longer have to depend on Nokia alone. Non-commercial projects tend to support | 23:56 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: My point was nobody else would leave a product half-finished and buggy, but Nokia thinks they can just because it's a computer. | 23:56 |
| soothsayer | 'legacy' devices better | 23:56 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle_: Frankly, the N770 (by looks alone) always seemed to me like a prototype device - I'm not surprised they're not keen on pumping any more resources into it. Given its CPU power, it's not very useful for much anyway. | 23:56 |
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| ttuttle_ | Spec: It's really hard to draw a comparison, but here's a bad car analogy: imagine if your car manufacturer promised you a surround sound audio system, but only delivered stereo. Then when you asked about it, they said they wouldn't make it, but they won't release the specs for the radio port to anyone else either. | 23:57 |
| ttuttle_ | Spec: That's what Nokia did. They made this device, then they stopped supporting it, but didn't open-source it all. | 23:57 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: i'm very familiar with proprietary evilness and what nokia did | 23:57 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: I don't care. I paid good money for it. Nokia shouldn't sell prototypes. | 23:58 |
| Sho_ | Early adopters should know what they're getting into *shrugs* | 23:58 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: We don't need a lot of resources. Just some simple bugfixes, or at least a copy of the code (*all* of it, except maybe Opera) so we can work on it. | 23:58 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: I disagree. | 23:58 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: I think it's fraudulent when companies release half-finished products but advertise them as finished. And unless someone says otherwise, it's assumed that a product being sold to the world is finished and works, for the most part. | 23:59 |
| Spec | the only thing different i would've done is release the specs | 23:59 |
| ttuttle_ | Sho_: Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, the software industry seemed to exempt themselves. | 23:59 |
| Spec | ttuttle_: sue nokia for the hardware specs | 23:59 |
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