IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-07-03

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Xenon3DN	GAIM worked for me, but Pidgin is newer/better, so I'd go with it. Gotta run. -X	00:04
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milhouse	Pidgin _is_ GAIM - the developers had to rename GAIM to Pidgin after legal action from AOL...	00:05
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ericz	so how does one execute the browser from xterm?	00:06
ericz	trying to make IDEA! work..	00:06
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ericz	KaylaKaze, how were you browsing the filesystem in opera, again? file://localhost or something?	00:40
ericz	nvm, got it	00:41
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omnix	how do I configure it so mplayer opens up when I click on a link for a m3u file in opera?	00:53
omnix	instead of using the default audio player	00:54
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ericz	where's the home screen's search app store the past searches/history ?	01:09
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milhouse	ericz: run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser --url=www.google.com	01:21
ericz	thanks, i got that part :P how about the last question?	01:21
milhouse	put an & on the end to background the app	01:21
milhouse	sorry haven't been keeping up... what was your last q?	01:21
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milhouse	home screen search?	01:22
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ericz	yeah	01:22
ericz	where's it store the past searches?	01:22
milhouse	don't know, sorry... have you searched the filesystem>?	01:23
ericz	sort of, but i don't know where to look	01:23
milhouse	you could do what i just did - search for something unusual, then grep the filesystem starting in /home/user... I searched for Centauri (Google) and searched using grep -i centauri `find . -print`	01:26
milhouse	my current directory at the time being /home/user	01:26
milhouse	and i was root	01:26
milhouse	./.osso/mis/internet-search-applet.xml looks a likely candidate	01:26
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livingtm	Im attempting to use boost::asio::ip::tcp to connect to a host, but I am getting errors in scratchbox "Unsupported syscall: 250" when it attempts to connect	01:45
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rhys	how long does a n800 take to charge?	01:51
rhys	with it s power off?	01:51
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milhouse	4 hours or so	01:54
milhouse	maybe less	01:54
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rhys	damnit	01:59
rhys	ty.	01:59
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milhouse	maemo planet screwed up for anyone else?	02:08
milhouse	looks like the formatting has gone haywire (in Firefox at least) during the first article...	02:09
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milhouse	i think it's the post from Rodrigo Vivi ("n770 with a real usb keyboard") that is breaking Planet Maemo - he's got some two column layout thing going on	02:11
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NKUMike	I'm not sure if this is where I should ask for help but I have a nokia 770 and I have been installing applcations on it and they go in folders which are represented on that task launcher thing, does anyone know how to move these?	02:37
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milhouse	Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation	02:38
milhouse	oh hang on... you said 770... ummm	02:38
milhouse	what i said may apply, it certainly does on an N800 but I can't remember about the 770	02:38
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NKUMike	I dont think that works, I can customize the task launcher thing but none of the folders where these applications are installed show up, like I installed ssh and it went into some 'other' folder and these folders don't show up on the cutimization page, do I need to access the filesystem or something?	02:42
milhouse	Do you have a button marked "Organize"?	02:42
milhouse	It may not exist in OS 2006 in which case you're out of luck	02:42
NKUMike	yeah I have that and it comes up with like the same folders on both sides, none of the other folders are there	02:44
milhouse	ssh isn't normally run from the task bar	02:44
milhouse	or have an icon	02:44
milhouse	most gui-based apps go into Extras	02:44
milhouse	ssh is command line only	02:44
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NKUMike	oh ok I guess that is why	02:45
NKUMike	because I know ssh works from the cl	02:45
NKUMike	oh well thanks anyways	02:45
milhouse	yeah, that's all you get :)	02:45
milhouse	np	02:45
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ericz_	there's an organize thing on 2006	02:48
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trevarthan	What's up bitches?	05:28
pupnik	http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=1	05:34
pupnik	reading a comic novel	05:34
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Modulus	hey all, quick troubleshooting question:	05:39
Modulus	I'm having trouble with my Nokia 770 and my DGL-4300.	05:39
Modulus	I am able to connect to the router just fine, but when I try to connect to a webpage I get a 'network error'.	05:39
Modulus	The odd thing is that I can open up a web page if I just type in the IP address.	05:39
Modulus	Also I can connect to a media server on my internal network just fine.	05:39
Modulus	So I thought that it might be a DNS problem, so I tried manually assigning the DNS server IP (trying the router, my ISP DNS server, and a free dns server). No luck none of them did anything.	05:39
Modulus	The really odd thing is that I am sometime able to connect and browse the web (seems to work more often when I have left the device off for an extended period).	05:39
Modulus	Also I am able to connected to a neighbor's router and browse normally.	05:39
Modulus	I don't know wtf is going on. I've got the latest firmware for the router (1.8 I think), and the latest OS for the Nokia.	05:39
Modulus	I tried turning on and off every setting on the router that I thought could be causing a problem, but to no avail.	05:39
Modulus	I really hate wireless, it never works right.	05:39
Modulus	anyone have any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? I not really familiar with linux, so I don't really know what options are open to me to attempt a fix.	05:40
Modulus	Thanks	05:40
pupnik	that sounds difficult	05:42
Modulus	yeah I think it is just not compatible with the router. But I wanted to see if anyone else has an idea	05:43
ericz	indeed it does.. the whole part about only able to access websites with IP, but not hostname, is definently a DNS issue though	05:44
Xenon3DN	Sounds like some portion of your network is blocking UDP -- some kind of firewall problem. That will kill DNS operation totally.	05:44
Modulus	hrmm, well other wireless computers are able to get to the net. Also the router acts as a DNS cache, but like I said, I tried manually setting the DNS server on the Nokia	05:46
Xenon3DN	Yes, but even if you set the DNS server on the Nokia, if all of its UDP traffic to the outside world is getting lost, it won't work.	05:48
Xenon3DN	Not sure why other systems would work and the Nokia wouldn't, but I'm telling you what circumstances fit your described failure mode.	05:49
Modulus	but what about the router acting as a dns server? you wouldn't need UDP traffic out of the router if the router was handeling the DNS... I'll look into it more to see if that might be the problem though	05:51
Xenon3DN	I'm not specifying where the UDP loss is. Maybe it's between the Nokia and the router. I'm just saying, it smells like UDP loss.	05:52
Modulus	noted. Maybe i'll try sniffing the network to see if I can see the packets	05:53
Xenon3DN	Good idea.	05:54
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Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze.	06:34
Xenon3DN	I got Canola working with local files using the instructions from k-s. And I have my MP3 share mounted, and configured in Canola Configure. But I have a suspicion that Canola isn't scanning that share. It's so close. I wish k-s were back to pick his brain.	06:52
Modulus	wtf.. it's working now. I hooked up a spare wireless router as an access point and it was working on that, then I was able to connect to my normal wireless router and get to the net. This is just odd. There must be something really odd about this router + the nokia 770. Oh well, maybe I'll just setup the other router as the permanent wireless access point.	06:54
Modulus	thanks for your help	06:54
Xenon3DN	Glad it sort of worked. Would be nice to understand what the problem really was.	06:55
Modulus	It has to be a hardware conflict between the two, I can't think of anything else it could be. oh well, thanks again	06:57
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Wzrd2	hi..how do I missing lib files	07:45
Xenon3DN	First, form a complete sentence. Missing verb is a common problem.	07:46
`0660	i bet he's trying to install missing lib files	07:47
`0660	you'd be better of telling what you really want to achieve though...	07:48
Wzrd2	yes...how do I install missing library files...trying to install xgalaga	07:48
Wzrd2	what repository do I use?	07:49
`0660	that's better	07:49
`0660	http://xgalaga.garage.maemo.org/	07:50
Wzrd2	what about for general lib files which are missing?	07:50
`0660	the general lib files (glibc) are installed already	07:51
Wzrd2	I added there but I couldn't find the missing lib.. hold..let me try again	07:51
`0660	you have to change to red pill mode to find them	07:51
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Wzrd2	not general lib files. I mean is there a place which has all the various lib files you would need for any/most apps/game	07:52
Wzrd2	red pill?	07:52
`0660	yeah	07:52
`0660	try "red pill n800" in google	07:52
Wzrd2	I have a 700...same process?	07:53
Wzrd2	xgalaga mistral and user	07:55
Wzrd2	?	07:55
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`0660	according to the webpage you need to get to the red pill mode with n770 too	08:03
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Dr_Nunim	It's just that he was all alone. Always by himself. Never anyone to share the game. A man who lived in dreams -- that's who he was.	08:14
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xnix	howdy	08:17
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* Xark finally gets the bluetooth keyboard paired! Geez, took many tries...		08:29
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Xark	Does anybody have any links to a "native" compiler (runs on N800)? I found one (g++-3.4) but its flakey and gets internal errors (so much so, it can't build another gcc).	08:32
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Wzrd2	so do the red pill thing and then download xterm and ssh?	08:51
Xark	Wzrd2: That worked for me. :-)	08:52
Wzrd2	and then how do I get the missing libraries	08:52
Wzrd2	trying now	08:52
Xark	Wz: I missed your orignial question. What are you trying to do?	08:53
* Xark didn't have too much trouble with anything on the "Application Download" catalog with an "install".		08:54
Wzrd2	get all the missing libraries that most programs need to install like libx ones	08:54
Wzrd2	libxpm4	08:55
Xark	Wzrd2: Hmm, well my experience is most will install their own dependencies (sometimes asking to add things to the catalog).	08:55
Wzrd2	i'm trying to install xgalaga	08:55
Wzrd2	the xgalaga.garage.maemo.org that someone told me to do didn't work	08:56
Xark	Wzrd2: Hmm, I don't think I tried that one...(but I got most games).	08:56
* Xark goes to look at it...		08:56
Wzrd2	it's missing libxpm4	08:56
KaylaKaze	Dungeon Hack would be a good gzme to port to 770	08:57
KaylaKaze	but since it's not open source, it'd probably be easier to port DosBox	08:58
KaylaKaze	and play it under thaty	08:58
Xark	KaylaKaze: Ooo, yes DOSBox would be great on the N800 (assuming its fast enough to play anything).	08:58
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Wzrd2	do you know how to get libxpm4	09:00
KaylaKaze	it'd be better on the 770	09:01
KaylaKaze	nope	09:01
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KaylaKaze	I suppose someone could make a new version of Dungeon Hack using D&D 3.5 rules instead of the AD&D 2ed rules used for the originaly DH... I had almost done that for Neverwinter Nights but never got around to it.	09:03
Xark	KaylaKaze: I doubt the VFP would be useful for DosBox, so I imagine it could work on either (perhaps a bit faster on N800). I just purchased this N800, so I am not familiar with the N770.	09:03
KaylaKaze	I only have a 770 so I want everything to run on a 770 :-P	09:04
Xark	KaylaKaze: I suspected that. :-)	09:04
KaylaKaze	tomorrow I should have my comic book/pdf viewing system done, or at least mostly done	09:05
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Xark	Does N800 support realplayer files? It pretends too, but won't play any NPR (among others). Anybody know?	09:06
Xark	Some older format I am guessing...	09:06
KaylaKaze	probably not unless mplayer can handle it	09:07
Xark	KaylaKaze: Is that for specially formatted comic book PDFs?	09:07
Wzrd2	anyone know how to get the libxpm4 library?	09:07
Wzrd2	I just did the red pill thing and installed ssh and osso-xterm	09:07
KaylaKaze	No, it's for CBR and CBZ files as well as non secure PDFs	09:07
KaylaKaze	but it requires you to be connected to your pc via network	09:08
KaylaKaze	abd your media be stored on the pc	09:08
Xark	KaylaKaze: Interesting.	09:08
KaylaKaze	and a web server with PHP on your PC	09:08
KaylaKaze	and Ghostscript for PDF file handling :-)	09:08
Xark	KaylaKaze: So the Nokia is some kind of client?	09:09
Xark	KaylaKaze: Where the PC does the "heavy lifting"?	09:09
KaylaKaze	what it pretty much does, is extracts a page from a PDF or a CBR/CBZ, and serves it to the web browser on a page with navigation links and book selection and such	09:09
KaylaKaze	Yeah, pretty much. I was trying to find a good image client on it to read comic book pages and noticed that Opera does a WONDERFUL job with that	09:10
Xark	KaylaKaze: Ahh, I see. Uses web client, so its basically a specialized HTTP server.	09:10
KaylaKaze	or a specialized section of an already existing web server	09:10
Xark	KaylaKaze: Right. Sounds cool.	09:10
KaylaKaze	the nokia still takes a little time to render a new page, but no where near the time it takes to render in the PDF reader or Envince	09:11
Xark	KaylaKaze: So far I am just using the N800 as a (tiny) generic linux box. Trying to gather as many normal dev tools as feasable (but having trouble with a dicey native compiler).	09:11
KaylaKaze	I suppose, though, that if you extact your CBR/CBZ/or PDF files into images you could stick them on your MC and browse them with Opera for book reading	09:11
Xark	KaylaKaze: How long between pages?	09:12
KaylaKaze	full color, about 5 seconds maybe	09:12
KaylaKaze	manga, 1 or 2 tops	09:12
Xark	KaylaKaze: Thats not too bad. Like a typical web site (if not better).	09:13
KaylaKaze	I tried to find a way to precache the image, so it's being processed while you're looking at the other and then have it flip like a double buffer, but it seems opera only renders the picture when it becomes visible	09:13
KaylaKaze	the code double buffers though	09:14
Xark	KaylaKaze: Is minimo (sp?) any faster? I kind of liked it but its a bit "too beta" currently.	09:14
KaylaKaze	I've got it working with CBR files, so I just gotta pop in the PDF and CBZ stuff. Then I have to make the file browsing and make it more intelligent	09:14
KaylaKaze	I use minimo for my DND character sheet, but I wasn't able to get it started for some reason to test the reader	09:15
Wzrd2	we need a better flash than 6 on the nokia	09:15
KaylaKaze	well, minimo seems to be running now so let's try it	09:16
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* Xark wishes Google reader got along better with Opera...		09:17
Xark	Wzrd2: OK, I get the same libxpm4 issue as you. Hunting for it now...	09:18
xnix	does anyone know why i would get this error: /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to `regexec@GLIBC_2.3.4' when trynig to compile the example code at the very top of this page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html	09:20
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KaylaKaze	the double buffering works better in minimo	09:21
KaylaKaze	but the minimo doesn't go full screen :-(	09:21
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xnix	KaylaKaze: minimo can go fullscreen throguh the menu, but the fullscreen button doest work properly	09:21
KaylaKaze	oh, yes it does, justg not with the button	09:21
xnix	yeah	09:22
xnix	:)	09:22
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xnix	anyone know about my error just trying to compile the simple example?	09:22
KaylaKaze	wow! the double buffering works REAL goof inm Minimo... but it seems sometimes the pictures don't process right	09:24
KaylaKaze	http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/databases/test.php?rname=spawn/spawn%20%23001.cbr	09:25
xnix	KaylaKaze: what is double buffering	09:25
KaylaKaze	the first couple pages don't work right yet, but after that it works good	09:26
KaylaKaze	double buffering (along with page flipping) is when you render 2 scenes, one visible, the next not, then you flip them and draw the next scene on the previous "canvas"	09:26
xnix	cool	09:27
xnix	just makes it faster i giess?	09:27
xnix	*guess	09:28
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Xark	Wzrd2: Hmm, I can find the package, for armrel even, but not with the right libc version.	09:29
KaylaKaze	yeah	09:29
KaylaKaze	it'll also make it sqitch pages easier when you're connected over the internet to your home system instead of WLAN	09:29
Xark	Wzrd2: I need to figure out how to compile source packages (if my ricketty compiler allows it).	09:29
* Xark is not well verses in the Debian arts yet...		09:30
Xark	BTW, is there a working VMWare maemo development image around? I couldn't get it past "grub loading"...	09:32
KaylaKaze	I got one that works	09:33
* Xark read a suggestion that it only works with certain host PC CPUs.		09:33
KaylaKaze	but it's only 3.1 sdk	09:33
Xark	KaylaKaze: Hmmm, isn't that the latest?	09:33
KaylaKaze	I have the same problem with 2.2 sdk on it as I do on my ubuntu	09:34
KaylaKaze	yes, but not 770 compatible	09:34
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KaylaKaze	I still have to figure out how I'm gonna handle double size pages on the comic viewer...	09:34
Xark	KaylaKaze: Hmm, but its what I think I need. I found the image, downloaded it and it unbzip2'd OK, but VMWare player doesn't boot it right.	09:34
KaylaKaze	weird, my vmware did	09:35
Xark	KaylaKaze: Probably because my laptop is dual core or something.	09:35
KaylaKaze	maybe	09:35
Xark	I was kind of bummed. I'll have to resurrect/build another Linux box (eventually).	09:36
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komarov	anyone interested in printing on N800? :-)	09:58
komarov	anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux?	10:00
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unique311	komarov, how are you going about it...bluetooth?	10:04
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unique311	hmm..	10:06
unique311	might be able to share your printer like you share folders in XP	10:06
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komarov	yeah!	10:07
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unique311	http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=v1sdv841	10:23
unique311	this could be usefull	10:23
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:08
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cy-	sup Jaffa	11:11
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pello	hi	12:30
pello	where is the ESC key ?	12:30
suihkulokki	the "back" key in the keypad	12:31
osfameron	oh!	12:31
osfameron	I just mapped one of the hotkeys in the terminal, but that would be useful for vim	12:32
pello	yse under vim and n800	12:32
pello	seems not to be easy	12:32
osfameron	the editor of champions!	12:32
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pello	thx suihkulokki	12:39
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Tu13es	whee, my n800 comes today :D	13:42
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cy-	Tu13es: w00t! ;)	13:43
Tu13es	gotta love amazon prime :)	13:44
cy-	indeed	13:44
Tu13es	anyways, off to work	13:44
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* pupnik points at DrPocketSnes		14:05
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jani	hehe, still working on getting it ported =)	14:11
pupnik	you're working on DrPocketSnes?	14:11
jani	nah but i looked it last week when i saw you brought up the topic =)	14:12
pupnik	oh right	14:12
unique311	you always pointing at the Dr.	14:17
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unique311	whats the status of your port?	14:17
unique311	micheal770 you should release the gnupaint source....the 770 version you have on the blogspot does not work on the n800.	14:18
unique311	give someone a chance to port it for the n800	14:18
koen	"port"	14:19
koen	you mean "recompile"	14:19
unique311	yeah	14:19
unique311	are you micheal770	14:19
jani	;)	14:19
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edistar	is there an easy way to mount an nfs share?	14:19
edistar	on the n770?	14:19
pupnik	i think you need an nfs-enabled kernel	14:20
pupnik	my DrPocketSnes is a total mess right now - mashing together elements of Snes9X and the gp2x tree	14:20
edistar	pupnik: isn't there something userland?	14:20
unique311	http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/gnupaint770.html	14:20
unique311	who is this micheals770	14:20
pupnik	Afaik no edistar, normal nfs needs to hook into the kernel's filesystem-handling - to make it look transparent	14:21
edistar	a german ;)	14:21
edistar	pupnik: thanks	14:21
edistar	pupnik: is it hard to get that kernel?	14:21
pupnik	no it's online - variety of kernels for it2006. one of them supports high speed mode on the mmc also	14:22
edistar	that sounds good ;)	14:22
edistar	well, I have to be off, cya soon!	14:22
pupnik	cu	14:22
pupnik	i think i spent about 50 hours on it unique311 :/	14:23
koen	~seen micheals770	14:24
infobot_	koen: i haven't seen 'micheals770'	14:24
koen	looks like he isn't on irc	14:24
jani	the biggest issue is still framebuffer to sdl rendering ?	14:24
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konttori	pupnik: How far are you of a working version of that snes emu?	14:26
pupnik	i don't know.	14:27
unique311	wow, a new weapon called metal storm, can fire 1 million rounds in 1 minute.	14:27
unique311	why	14:27
pupnik	heh metal storm is 2 years old at least	14:27
unique311	true..	14:27
pupnik	they're mainly selling it for puncturing armor - the rounds hit the same spot	14:28
unique311	re-runs of future weapons	14:28
pupnik	you might be interested in 'railguns' too	14:29
mgedmin	how much does a million tons weigh?	14:29
mgedmin	err	14:29
mgedmin	how much does a million rounds weigh?	14:29
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unique311	how much does 1 round weight depends on the round	14:29
unique311	i guess	14:29
pupnik	it doesn't fire for a minute	14:30
mgedmin	I was just thinking how big an ammo truck you'd need following you if you planned to keep shooting for more than a few seconds	14:30
pupnik	just short burtsts	14:30
unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_9_RgMPCE	14:30
unique311	at work	14:30
unique311	i was thinking the same mgedmin, thats alot of bullets...	14:32
unique311	to be carrying around.	14:32
pupnik	in an alternate universe, we'd have /dev/fb0	14:35
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unique311	don't we	14:40
unique311	the its present	14:40
koen	you only need to change one kernel config option to make it behave like a normal framebuffer	14:41
pupnik	wow	14:43
pupnik	still "try my game! (custom kernel required)" won't be too popular	14:44
unique311	lol	14:47
unique311	custom kernel is never too popular with the regular user	14:47
c0ffee	just put a patch online	14:47
c0ffee	gentoo will sooner or later integrate it in their standard kernel	14:48
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Tu13es	anyone know where I can download the OS 2006 firmware?	15:23
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konttori	from nokia n800 support page	15:38
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konttori	http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_7185	15:39
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MDK	what do you need the custom kernel/fb for?	15:47
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jani	anyone with 770 in handy ? Could someone provide me any file generated in notes which has some formatting and space characters ..	15:54
Tu13es	anyone know if there's any way to sync an n770 and google calendar in any way?	16:00
Tu13es	or, does anyone know of a better calendar app than gpe-calendar?	16:00
melmoth	i have been told 'dates' does it...	16:06
melmoth	but i never try	16:06
gregul	ffffff	16:07
gregul	this is interesting http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7198	16:07
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rebroad	hi, is it possible to rotate my whole desktop 180º pleaae?	16:11
gregul	rebroad:you can turn the whole n800/770 180deg	16:12
gregul	;-]	16:12
eugene	hey dudes	16:12
gregul	rebroad:i do not think the X11 server has the features yet	16:13
melmoth	hola eugene	16:13
rebroad	yes, i'd prefer to hold my n800 with the bulge at the bottom	16:13
eugene	melmoth: brother. here i am, going online secretly :)	16:14
gregul	rebroad:no, this not possible with the current version	16:14
* mgedmin wonders whether he should teach rebroad the difference between U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°) and U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR (º)		16:15
mgedmin	speaking of which, the nokia virtual keybord doesn't have a degree sign in it	16:16
mgedmin	surprised me	16:16
rebroad	if i was willing to patch the xserver myself (assuming it's possible), how easy would it be to share with others and remain compatible with other nokia supplied software please?	16:16
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zuh	Depends how much you modify the xserver	16:17
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rebroad	i'm using the builtin keyboard - quite slow to type!	16:17
zuh	I built a xserver with composite extension enabled and kulve has it in his debian repo, so all one has to do is to add the repo and then install some program that depends on that particular version (in this case xcompmgr) to upgrade the X (and naturally reboot :)	16:18
rebroad	shame the dev env needs linux... i have xp as my main os on the desktop .	16:19
zuh	I haven't seen anything break because of that	16:19
gregul	rebroad: there are a few vmware-player images around	16:19
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rebroad	gregul, ah, that'd help	16:19
gregul	http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/	16:20
rebroad	ruh, what's the composite extension needed for please?	16:20
Tu13es	anyone know why I can't add m3u playlists to audio player?	16:21
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cfh	hi all	16:22
Jaffa	rebroad: funky drop-shadows, fade effects etc.	16:22
Jaffa	zuh: what's the performance like without being able to use the PowerVR?	16:22
Jaffa	Some eye candy would really help sell the N800	16:22
rebroad	anyone here managed to get orb working with the builtin mediaplayer?	16:22
cfh	i have bought a bt keyborad but my n800 dont recognized it (it said : no category ) what can i do ?	16:23
cfh	the kb is like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320122416044	16:24
rebroad	thanks gregul , zuh for the replies	16:24
zuh	Jaffa: Performance of which, xcompanager or the server in general?	16:25
zuh	xcompmanager is not too fast, fade-in is only possible with small windows	16:25
melmoth	cfh try http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ ?	16:25
Jaffa	zuh: xcompmgr/composite in general	16:26
zuh	Jaffa: The shadows don't seem to make a big difference though	16:26
cfh	melmoth : ok thank youu	16:26
gregul	zuh:do you know if the gfx chipset is upto alpha channels and the like?	16:26
Jaffa	zuh: that's quite cool, then.	16:26
Jaffa	cfh: without looking it may not be HID-compatible. Look for "kbdd"	16:26
zuh	Jaffa: I made this little tester app that collects open windows in a grid, it seems to be able to update the contents of those real-time	16:27
zuh	Jaffa: But other than that, I haven't really done any real profiling	16:28
cfh	jaffa ok in fact my kb is not HID compatibile but is a generic kb	16:28
Jaffa	zuh: exposé like?	16:28
zuh	Jaffa: Far from it, but kind of... :)	16:28
* Jaffa would love to play with that ;-)		16:28
rebroad	i never really understood why one would want an external keyboard for the n800/770. i mean, surely it'd just be better to buy a device that had one included	16:28
cfh	do you know where is the maemo map HID list v?	16:28
gla55_	rebroad: there is no maemo device with built in kb	16:28
Jaffa	rebroad: what device is the same size shape and runs Linux? netBook Pro was best option but the Linux one was never properly available and cost a fortune. Asus Eee PC looks very interesting, though.	16:29
zuh	gregul: There is no chip to use at this point, only thing resebling graphics chip there is the LCD controller and that only does some scaling and color conversion AFAIK. The 3D chip might help in composting or then not. I don't really know about it and no drivers available so it's a bit moot point...	16:30
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gregul	zuh:interesting, thanks	16:32
jani	that chip was briefly mentioned in the maemo-devel list this/last week	16:36
jani	it said that there is a 3d chip in the device but there are no drivers for it. (and i think it also mentioned or atleast, thats how i understood that actually there is drivers but not for 2.4/2.6 kernels and manufacturer of the chip is not interested in porting and/or they are not oss)	16:38
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gregul	jani:drag, i imagine that chip could give the n800 some nice bling	16:39
eugene	melmoth: have you tried to cross-compile armv6 apps on i386?	16:41
melmoth	yes	16:41
melmoth	well, the other way around	16:41
eugene	melmoth: explain :)	16:41
jani	gregul: well, there was also some discussion about that.	16:41
jani	i'll paste the stuff i find it.	16:41
melmoth	well , the regular porting stuff. Taking the source, and compiling it on scratxhbox under the arm target	16:42
eugene	melmoth: saw your mail, thanks so much :)	16:42
eugene	ah ok.	16:42
melmoth	was it not the kind of compilation you were thinking about ?	16:42
jani	Well the problem is in pushing full frames from internal framebuffer in	16:43
jani	SRAM to external memory on video chip. This means you won't have best	16:43
jani	framerate when doing fullscreen updates in 800x480.	16:43
eugene	thats what i'm talking about	16:43
melmoth	ok :)	16:43
jani	that because of bus and memory bandwidth	16:43
melmoth	It usually worked smoothly. I compile stuff for arm usually only once everything works fine in the x86 target	16:44
eugene	melmoth: i'm trying it out now	16:44
zuh	jani: It's not only said, there is a 3D chip on the device ;) Comes with the package, costs extra to get licence for the drivers. Dunno about how it actually goes hardware/memory wise though, IIRC the whole board is targeted for 640x480 anyway, which I guess is part of the problem for N800...	16:52
jani	zuh: yes.	16:53
jani	i know, i read the thread =)	16:54
N800	so 800x480 no 3D or 640x480 3D?	16:54
jani	any mode , no 3d =)	16:54
N800	because of licensing	16:54
N800	what if the license part of the problem gets handled...how would 3D work then?	16:55
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eugene	is there a scratchbox mirror? gee, it's so slow here	17:01
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KaylaKaze	is there a way to edit your app menu?	17:51
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melmoth	KaylaKaze, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html	17:53
melmoth	see the 'Adding Application To Menu' section	17:53
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NeoRex	Can the Nokia 770 's RAM be upgraded? How? Soldering involved?	18:16
`0660	who would do that?	18:17
Fatal	people	18:17
`0660	oh	18:17
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bstock	what od i have to do to get openvpn running on 2006.3? i've tried following the directions on the application catalog here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006	18:52
bstock	but it give me invalid installation package	18:52
bstock	nm, looks like installing from command line fixed it	18:54
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Xenon3DN	bstock: I've had packages (smbfs) that refused to install from app manager, but worked from command line. Don't understand why yet.	18:59
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Spec	so...i've installed xterm onto my nokia 770, and bash....i was wondering how to get xterm to default to bash instead of busybox, is it possible?	19:02
joshin	chsh?	19:04
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KaylaKaze	Well, that page didn't help at all when it comes to editing the app menu	19:13
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze, did you see my message last night that I got Canola to work with local media files (on the MMC card)?	19:13
KaylaKaze	no, but I think it's supposed to do stuff on MMC easily, isn't it?	19:14
Xenon3DN	Seems to work with anything in the local FS, if you configure it right. Can't seem to get it to see my smbfs shared files though. Nice UI though.	19:15
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KaylaKaze	that Fuppes crashes to much to be useful :-(	19:15
Xenon3DN	Did you check out SlimServer?	19:15
KaylaKaze	where is it's config files? I was looking for them but only found dbs	19:16
Xenon3DN	I haven't figured that out yet either.	19:16
KaylaKaze	well, how do you configure it locally? if I can do that, I should be able to get it to do share	19:17
KaylaKaze	though mplayer does shares no problem except mplayer is cmdline interfadcew	19:18
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Andy80_	hi	19:19
KaylaKaze	I need to find a good upnp server. SimpleCenter alphabetizes everything which sucks	19:19
KaylaKaze	If it didn't do that, it'd be good	19:19
KaylaKaze	appart from deleting everythign from my c:\ on installation, that is	19:20
Spec	so is it worth upgrading from 2006 to 2007?	19:20
Andy80_	KaylaKaze: to use with media streamer client?	19:20
Andy80_	Spec: do you have n770?	19:21
KaylaKaze	or canola	19:21
Andy80_	KaylaKaze: for win or linux?	19:21
Spec	Andy80_: yes	19:21
KaylaKaze	win	19:22
Andy80_	Spec: me too, and I use os2006, the 2007 is not supported officially and could be unstble	19:22
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Spec	but the 2007 release has spider solitaire... :p	19:22
Xenon3DN	Kayla: SimpleCenter == SlimServer?	19:22
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KaylaKaze	no. slimserver doesn't seem to do vide	19:23
KaylaKaze	video	19:23
Andy80_	Spec: .... :)	19:23
KaylaKaze	on the fly downsampling of video would be a nice feature :-)	19:24
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Andy80_	the only reason I could upgrade to 2007 is to use skype.... if it will run on it off course	19:24
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Xenon3DN	Ahh. Ok. Too bad on SlimServer.	19:26
chrissturm	is there a nice podcast client for maemo? something like democracy would be great	19:28
Xenon3DN	Looks like Canola does podcasts, but I'm not a pod person, so I can't comment on the usability of it.	19:29
Spec	Andy80_: it's possible for me to cross compile aiseriot(spider solitaire) and repackage it for os06, right?	19:29
Andy80_	Spec: I think yes... why not?	19:31
Xenon3DN	Anyone know how to contact "k-s" off-IRC? I think he's involved in Canola, and I need to pick his brains about Canola's config and database files.	19:33
KaylaKaze	I have canola allegedly scanning my mounted directories now	19:35
Xenon3DN	Is it taking a long time?	19:35
KaylaKaze	yeah	19:35
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KaylaKaze	but it would take a long time on my pc accessing them locally... the thing is it doesn't look like my hd is being accessed	19:36
Xenon3DN	Hmm. Mine just "blipped" and finished, which makes me think it didn't succeed. I wonder if it's an ownership issue with the mounted share or something? Canola ought to be able to read it. File Manager can.	19:36
KaylaKaze	oh, it says it finished	19:36
Xenon3DN	Interested to see if it worked.	19:36
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KaylaKaze	nope	19:37
Xenon3DN	:(	19:37
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KaylaKaze	I think it's broken	19:37
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Xenon3DN	It's soooooo close though.	19:37
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KaylaKaze	just use mplayer	19:38
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Xenon3DN	Icky UI though. I want something that is usable by n00bs.	19:39
KaylaKaze	go to xterm, type mplayer -playlist "/home/user/MyDocs/mp3s/<playlist stuff>" & and it'll go fine	19:40
KaylaKaze	pr dont' use &	19:40
KaylaKaze	'cause if that works, you won't be able to control it	19:41
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Xenon3DN	Eh, I'll just keep hacking on Canola. Like you, I'd like to get a nice UPnP server set up eventually, to run nice rich clients like that.	19:42
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KaylaKaze	mplayer gave me this message on a video file "Your system is too SLOW to play this!"	19:44
Xenon3DN	Biiiiig ;)	19:45
Xenon3DN	Not pulling punches it is. No sugar coating.	19:45
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KaylaKaze	the sound for the video will play	19:47
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Spec	so if i want a program to work on the n770/maemo i just cross-compile for arm architecture?	19:47
pupnik	yes, in a maemo environment	19:48
pupnik	see the scratchbox howto	19:48
Spec	from scratchbox.org or from maemo.org?	19:49
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Spec	and how do i know if i'm usiming maemo2.x or 3.x?	19:49
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KaylaKaze	grrr I can't get mplayer to shut down completely	19:50
Xenon3DN	I had that problem too, Kayla.	19:50
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pupnik	Spec, for a 770 you want 2.2 iirc	19:50
KaylaKaze	I'm sending it kill -15s and I killed most of it's threads but one is still hanging on	19:50
Xenon3DN	Why not kill -9?	19:51
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pupnik	spec, oh scratchbox - nm	19:52
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pupnik	here scratchbox 1.0.7	19:54
Spec	scratcbox = maemo sdk?	19:54
Spec	i'm reading the maemo_2.2_tutorial now	19:54
pupnik	basically it is yeah	19:54
Spec	'k, i'll keep reading this inbetween working	19:54
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pupnik	maemo 3.0 -> OS2007/bora -> nokia 800	19:57
pupnik	somebody stop me if i'm saying something wrong	19:58
Tu13es	any of you recommend a specific screen protector for the n800?	19:58
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Spec	scratchbox is the cross-compilation toolkit/chains, what's maemo SDK? for gui apps?	20:04
mgedmin	a set of libraries for compiling apps for maemo	20:08
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ttuttle	Hey.	20:08
ttuttle	Is it possible to create new input methods for the N770 and set them up in a way that adds them to the Input Method list alongside the standard ones?	20:09
Spec	if i wanted an app to run on my n770, in bash, does it need maemo libraries?	20:09
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melmoth	not necessarily	20:12
melmoth	but you want the hildon lib to make it looks nice	20:12
Spec	look nice? it's a terminal app	20:12
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pupnik	if you mean a compiled C program, you compile it in scratchbox	20:13
Spec	'da	20:13
melmoth	if it just print stuff to stdout you dont need libosso.	20:13
Spec	'k, libosso = maemo lib?	20:13
melmoth	one of them.	20:13
melmoth	you have the osso stuff wich is about.. heu , like a dbus stuff , communication between process	20:14
pupnik	you have to build in the maemo environment, so your program will be linked to the maemo versions of curses, libc whatever	20:14
melmoth	and hildon, wich is the gui, so hildon is needed to have the same look and feel than other app, or so i guess	20:14
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pupnik	yep.	20:15
pupnik	but most terminal apps will compile out of the box	20:15
ttuttle	pupnik: Is there a compiler on the N770?	20:15
ttuttle	pupnik: And can I get one?	20:15
KaylaKaze	no gcc that I saw	20:16
Xenon3DN	Yikes. THat would be SLOW.	20:16
KaylaKaze	just use python	20:16
pupnik	someone posted mentioning he had a gcc on it, but that's not recommended	20:16
ttuttle	Xenon3DN: Oh, it's 250 MHz. I've used Gentoo, which compiles everything, on a 333 MHz box with only 128 MB of RAM.	20:16
ttuttle	pupnik: It's just for playing.	20:16
Xenon3DN	ttuttle: You don't deny it would be SLOW, however.	20:17
pupnik	performance is somewhat equivalent to a pentium 75 mhz	20:17
ttuttle	pupnik: Really? I thought ARM was faster.	20:17
Spec	and what exactly is sbrsh for? :p	20:18
ttuttle	pupnik: Oh, and do you know any general ways to speed up the N770?	20:18
pupnik	it uses the 770 cpu to compile the arm code. use qemu instead	20:18
florian	Spec: execution of binaries from scratchbox on a real device	20:19
Spec	over the tubes?	20:19
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pupnik	what florian said - i think it executes them on it too - when you run your compiled app	20:19
Dr_Nunim	We need some better homepage applets.	20:19
pupnik	we all want different things. I want a fast SNES emulator :P	20:20
ericz	i'd love snes9x :P	20:20
Dr_Nunim	Good luck with that :p	20:20
KaylaKaze	I want a Fire Emblem type game	20:20
Dr_Nunim	Not enough CPU	20:21
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Spec	it can emulate GB, right?	20:21
ericz	seriously though, i want netcat/sendip/telnet, i can't believe there's no port for os2006	20:21
pupnik	i compiled snes9x if you want to try it	20:21
KaylaKaze	well, I have a GBA. I want one designed for it that uses the touchscreen and has online multiplayer	20:21
pupnik	runs chrono trigger without sound at about 5 fps	20:21
KaylaKaze	ericz: there is	20:21
ericz	where?	20:22
Spec	5 whole fps? that's good enough	20:22
pupnik	DrPocketSnes would be about three times as fast, with sound	20:22
\|\|cw	has anyone tried to get a replacement cover the 770?	20:23
KaylaKaze	trying to find where I saw it	20:23
ttuttle	What exactly is the "maemo 3.x Bora SDK Repository"?	20:23
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KaylaKaze	telnet anyway. Had somne other networking tools too.	20:23
unique311	anybody going to see transformers tonight or already did?	20:23
melmoth	KaylaKaze, have a look here http://pygame.org/projects/22/184/	20:23
melmoth	with some slight modification (screen size as far as i remember) it works on the tablet.	20:24
Spec	unique311: should i?	20:24
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pupnik	not me... did you hear that the movie features a Nokia 770 unique311 ?	20:24
Dr_Nunim	Already saw it.	20:24
unique311	yes	20:24
unique311	how was it nunim	20:24
Spec	the movie has a 770 in it?	20:24
Dr_Nunim	Decent.	20:24
unique311	overhype	20:24
Dr_Nunim	Worth seeing.	20:24
KaylaKaze	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/	20:24
Dr_Nunim	but not like OMG TRANSFORMERS OMG MOMG	20:24
Spec	Dr_Nunim: i was plannin on seeing it on the basis that it failed	20:25
unique311	well to people who grew up seeing the cartoon..	20:25
Spec	if it's "decent", that's even more of a reason to watch it.	20:25
unique311	probably is oMGGG	20:25
ericz	KaylaKaze, the homepage link is 404 and there's no install file	20:25
Dr_Nunim	I grew up watching the cartoon.	20:25
unique311	OK	20:25
Dr_Nunim	I only wish they used the same voice actors.	20:25
unique311	SAME HERE	20:25
Dr_Nunim	That would have been, wow.	20:25
ttuttle	What is "Maemo" itself? Is it the OS running on the tablet, or the SDK?	20:26
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Spec	ttuttle: from what i gathered, it's the OS on the tablet	20:26
unique311	optimist prime is the first thing i remember drawing.	20:26
unique311	new voices?	20:26
melmoth	KaylaKaze, http://themanaworld.org/ is also easily compiled for the n800, and the size screen is easy to change as well	20:26
Spec	are the voices close to original?	20:26
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melmoth	big problem is... the keyboard	20:26
Dr_Nunim	No, very different.	20:26
unique311	so bumble bee don't sound like bumbebee	20:26
Dr_Nunim	Nope.	20:26
unique311	startscream	20:26
unique311	thats not good	20:27
Dr_Nunim	They don't really talk that much	20:27
Dr_Nunim	You'll see.	20:27
KaylaKaze	http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./binarys&PHPSESSID=135fe96d744c5c99b1770187705da7b6 has telnet	20:27
Spec	why would you want telnet? :p	20:27
Dr_Nunim	There was a large amount of product placement too.	20:27
ericz	Spec, i want something i can port knock with	20:27
Spec	Dr_Nunim: can you name some?	20:27
Spec	i thought you used ping to port knock?	20:27
Dr_Nunim	GMC, Mountain Dew, Pontiac, Camaro, among others.	20:27
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ericz	you can't ping a specific port, can you	20:27
unique311	770	20:28
Dr_Nunim	I didn't even see the 770.	20:29
Spec	you could just 'echo moo' > /dev/tcp/$HOST/$PORT	20:29
unique311	the only reason the 770 is getting so much movie time...is because the N800 wasn't out when those movies were being made	20:29
ttuttle	unique311: ...and 'cause the N770 is cooler! ;-)	20:29
_Shurik_	ping a specific port?	20:29
_Shurik_	I didn't know icmp had a port	20:29
unique311	next year is probably the year the N800 gets movie time	20:29
ericz	yeah, heh	20:29
Spec	apparantly it doesn't, i'm hallucinating.	20:29
_Shurik_	telnet port	20:29
_Shurik_	should do the port test trick	20:30
Spec	_Shurik_: the problem is lack of telnet	20:30
ericz	i just installed the port of telnet KaylaKaze linked, about to test it	20:30
ttuttle	Has anyone integrated the upgrades between Maemo 3.0 and 3.1 into the Hacker Edition?	20:31
KaylaKaze	TMNT ANT Transformers at the same time! WTF!?	20:31
Dr_Nunim	I do remember they mentioned a Nokia and someone said it was made in Japan.	20:31
Dr_Nunim	And I was like WHAT!	20:31
ericz	ooh, it worked, thanks KaylaKaze	20:32
_Shurik_	I'd think that iPhone would be a next thing in the movies	20:32
Dr_Nunim	It will	20:32
Dr_Nunim	Next year.	20:32
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_Shurik_	yep	20:32
Spec	sure thing	20:32
_Shurik_	I wanna see "hackers" get into pentagon by tilting iPhone the right way	20:32
unique311	770 is cooler...lol	20:33
unique311	ok	20:33
Dr_Nunim	lol	20:33
unique311	to 770 owners...	20:33
Spec	you have to tilt the iPhone the correct way to hack into pentagon?	20:33
Dr_Nunim	Obviously	20:33
ttuttle	Is there any development -- official or third-party -- taking place on the Hacker Edition OS for the 770?	20:33
_Shurik_	and bump it a bit	20:33
Spec	it can't just hack the pentagon sitting flat on a desk? :-/	20:33
Dr_Nunim	No, you have to tilt it to open ultra secret dev mode.	20:33
unique311	good hack movie..	20:33
unique311	live to die hard..	20:33
unique311	not the best...	20:34
Dr_Nunim	Live Free or Die Hard?	20:34
unique311	same difference	20:34
Tu13es	Jaffa?	20:34
_Shurik_	yes, the movie about viagra overdose	20:34
unique311	i could've said die hard 4	20:34
Dr_Nunim	It's got that dude from Waiting.	20:34
KaylaKaze	I wouldn't mind a good Rogue-like game on 770...	20:34
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_Shurik_	somebody mentioned that it would be nice to have supaplex on n800	20:35
_Shurik_	It's probably so much easier to play on it with a bt keyboard. IT just don't have an action inclined buttons	20:36
_Shurik_	"Press I then O to fire your weapon"	20:36
ttuttle	_Shurik_: ROTFLMFAO!	20:36
Spec	does the laser/bluetooth wireless keyboard from thinkgeek work with the 770?	20:36
ttuttle	Is it better to run Hacker Edition of 2007 or the latest 2006? Are they still maintaining 2006 a little?	20:36
Dr_Nunim	Oh that virtual laser thing?	20:36
Dr_Nunim	It looks so neat.	20:37
gla55_	Spec: it's just hid isn't it? it should work	20:37
KaylaKaze	they need some screenshots on the supaplex page	20:37
_Shurik_	I heard it's not very reliable... but does look neat	20:37
ttuttle	Is anyone here involved in Maemo development?	20:37
_Shurik_	(laser keyboard)	20:37
Tu13es	am I the only one that thinks the laser keyboard would suck?	20:37
ttuttle	Tu13es: no	20:37
gla55_	Tu13es: nope	20:37
Spec	Tu13es: it's up in the air	20:37
Tu13es	good	20:37
Spec	i'm curious :p	20:37
gla55_	Tu13es: no tactile feedback..	20:38
Spec	i dont' think it'd be that great - try typing on the desk in front of you w/o keyboard	20:38
Dr_Nunim	but...	20:38
_Shurik_	just like iPhone	20:38
Dr_Nunim	it looks neat!	20:38
Spec	but it looks so neat :p	20:38
Tu13es	looks neat, but keyboards are about functionality	20:38
gla55_	it's a neat toy	20:38
Dr_Nunim	If I turn that thing on a plane everyone would be like, HES GOT A BOMB!	20:38
Spec	it's a neat expensive toy, more expensive than my 770 was i think	20:38
_Shurik_	I'd rather have a hard clamshell/bt keyboard combo	20:38
gla55_	like. if it was built in a device, then, sure, it would be a nice thing to have from time to time	20:38
_Shurik_	that I would buy instantly	20:38
Spec	if it was builtin, that would be the best	20:38
_Shurik_	yeah	20:39
Spec	so how do i know what toolchain i want to install in debian?	20:39
_Shurik_	iit probably will be for the next model	20:39
ttuttle	Is there anything newer than the 2007 Hacker Edition that I can install on my 770?	20:40
Spec	scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q1-6 ... 2006q3-27 ... cs344-2.3 ....... ct401-2.3?	20:40
_Shurik_	Yes, the 2007 Doorstop edition	20:41
ttuttle	_Shurik_: Shut up!	20:41
_Shurik_	sorry :))	20:41
Tu13es	anyone know why I'm getting "Cannot execute binary file" when upgrading my n800 in OS X?	20:41
_Shurik_	My friend has 770, just sux that they dropped support for it. Still a good platform	20:41
ttuttle	_Shurik_: Yeah, but is anyone outside of Nokia maintaining it?	20:42
_Shurik_	not that I heard :(	20:42
pupnik	Spec one moment	20:42
_Shurik_	see internettablettalk.com for all the last stuff on 770	20:42
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_Shurik_	but I heard that Hackers edition is the last thing out there	20:43
ttuttle	_Shurik_: What are Sardine and Herring then?	20:43
ttuttle	_Shurik_: maemo.org says they're for the 770.	20:43
_Shurik_	honestly, I don't know then... I might be misinforming you	20:44
_Shurik_	but then again it could be just a canned fish talk	20:44
ttuttle	_Shurik_: This looks promising, but I have a nagging feeling that the page is just out of date.	20:44
_Shurik_	btw, what is stopping you from going n800? Did you just get 770 recently?	20:44
pupnik	Spec i have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm here - might be outdated	20:45
ttuttle	_Shurik_: woot.com had the 770 for $130.	20:45
_Shurik_	770 is great for reading as I hear. Might as well keep it for that, and get n800 for latest stuff :)	20:45
Spec	ttuttle: that's where i got mine	20:45
_Shurik_	ah okay, so you just got it	20:45
_Shurik_	got ya	20:45
pupnik	Spec and cpu transparency qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2	20:45
Dr_Nunim	I don't see the point to upgrade to n800.	20:45
Spec	qemu-arm?	20:45
Dr_Nunim	Why not just wait until the n900?	20:45
Spec	pupnik: cpu transparency?	20:45
_Shurik_	Dr_Nunim: might as well	20:46
Spec	pupnik: scratchbox-devkit-cputransp?	20:46
pupnik	yeah... you can run native N770 apps on your pc using cpu transparency	20:46
Dr_Nunim	n800 is like the second generation ipod, sure it's good but is it really worth upgrading?	20:46
_Shurik_	but it might be 990 as far as we know	20:46
Spec	pupnik: oh, i dont' have X/i don't want to run native n770 apps on my pc	20:46
pupnik	right, but i just followed the instructions and that's what i have	20:46
Spec	n800 looked sleek and nice, but i like my (new) 770	20:47
Spec	pupnik: heh, k ;)	20:47
pupnik	i'm keeping my 770	20:47
Dr_Nunim	I think the 770 is better cosmetically.	20:47
_Shurik_	yeah, n800 is definitely a mid-experiment	20:47
_Shurik_	I hope they will make something new that's much better in all aspects	20:47
_Shurik_	and damn, get it a 600+ mHz cpu already	20:47
Dr_Nunim	That's what we'll all upgrade too.	20:47
Dr_Nunim	Maybe it'll have first party support too :p	20:47
_Shurik_	who knows	20:48
pupnik	battery life is pretty key. the arm cpus are great for that	20:48
Spec	what about using a geode?	20:48
Dr_Nunim	Expensive.	20:48
_Shurik_	basically, if it will have a screen that can be visible in direct sunlight, faster CPU and a wimax or a sort... who needs cell phone???	20:48
Spec	but leet.	20:48
gla55_	pepperpads use geode iirc	20:48
Spec	OLPC uses geodes	20:49
Dr_Nunim	Aren't pepper pad around 1000?	20:49
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pupnik	I agree, a dual mode screen that could use reflected light would be sweet	20:49
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gla55_	Dr_Nunim: ~500 if you find a good sale	20:49
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Dr_Nunim	I don't like the Pepper Pad design	20:49
Dr_Nunim	I wouldn't mind having a OQO if they weren't so expensive.	20:51
_Shurik_	Pepper pad is a size of a frigging laptop	20:52
pupnik	for me the 770 is darn close to perfect. What sucks is being too stupid to code well.	20:52
_Shurik_	nobody codes well	20:53
pupnik	The guy who did the mplayer port does	20:53
_Shurik_	I'm pretty sure it has few bugs somewhere	20:53
pupnik	ok you're right	20:54
Spec	this tutorial is really annoying: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html	20:54
pupnik	nobody codes well	20:54
_Shurik_	so my point is... everyone can code well enough, just need to be very methodical about what you do	20:54
Spec	often times it'll say things like: "When you have created both PC and ARMEL targets, you can toggle between them with the following command:" <next section>	20:54
Spec	it leaves lots and lots of blanks	20:54
_Shurik_	error handling, error handling, error handling	20:54
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_Shurik_	damn	20:55
_Shurik_	OQO is $1700	20:55
_Shurik_	I love my n800	20:55
suihkulokki	Spec: if you can formulate your griefs to a bugzilla report, they will improve those sections for the next version	20:57
ttuttle	_Shurik_: Yeah. I've used an OQO, and the N770 is more fun ;-)	20:59
KaylaKaze	Spec: Use "View Source" there are lots of HTML coding errors on the page	21:00
_Shurik_	still looks good!	21:00
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_Shurik_	brb	21:00
Dr_Nunim	hrm	21:00
Dr_Nunim	why doesn't the linux flasher like me	21:00
b^j	i'm having some problems with bluetooth networking on my n770, is this the appropriate place to ask questions?	21:01
Spec	yeap, source looks much better	21:01
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pupnik	yes b^j	21:04
pupnik	the maemo-users and maemo-developers mailing list archives are also good	21:04
Dr_Nunim	on the 770 I should be using flasher-2.0 right?	21:05
pupnik	y	21:06
pupnik	yes	21:06
b^j	cool, i just got my n770 and i have not been able to get it to work with my phone (stupid windows mobile 6 switched to use PAN instead of DUN). I got PAN working to connect to my laptop but i can't get it to work with my phone. The bluetooth connection drops after a few seconds.	21:07
b^j	any ideas?	21:07
b^j	that is, my laptop can connect to the phone, my n770 can connect to the laptop, but the n770 won't maintain a connection to the phone	21:08
pupnik	no, and getting results for a search on your phone + 770 might be hard	21:09
pupnik	since there are many phones, and not so many 770 users	21:09
b^j	pupnik, yeah, that has been my issue with finding help on this	21:09
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KaylaKaze	They probably sold more 770s in the last week than in the entire history of the device	21:10
b^j	hehe	21:10
b^j	good old woot	21:10
Dr_Nunim	Woot sold 8000	21:10
KaylaKaze	and buy.com	21:10
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Dr_Nunim	I think buy sold something like 1/2 that.	21:10
b^j	i gotta say, so far i love the device, if i could just get it to connect to my phone it would be perfect	21:10
b^j	there seems to be a real good developer community for it	21:11
Dr_Nunim	I always thought buy.com was like a scam	21:11
Dr_Nunim	I mean comon, it's called Buy.com	21:11
KaylaKaze	I'll love mine more when I get more memory and hopefully then it won't crash all the time	21:11
pupnik	b^j: maybe it would help diagnosis if you ping the device continuously once it is connected	21:11
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b^j	pupnik, good idea, i will have to look at that, i am fairly newbish as far as bluetooth goes	21:12
ryanfaerman	anyone want an extra n800?	21:12
Dr_Nunim	For free, sure :)	21:12
Spec	ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'l take one	21:12
Dr_Nunim	Hell I'll even pay shipping.	21:12
Dr_Nunim	but remember, you owe me.	21:12
Xenon3DN	How is it "extra"?	21:13
ryanfaerman	argh, i'll brb, my client decided not to display anything	21:13
ryanfaerman	gotta restart it	21:13
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Spec	Dr_Nunim: heh	21:14
ryanfaerman	test	21:14
ryanfaerman	okay, it workes now	21:14
ryanfaerman	what did whoever say to me?	21:14
Spec	ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'll take one	21:14
Spec	(n800)	21:14
Xenon3DN	SO, why are you getting rid of one.	21:14
ryanfaerman	does that forcing include forcing some money from you to me?	21:14
Dr_Nunim	[14:12] <Dr_Nunim> For free, sure :)	21:14
Dr_Nunim	[14:12] <Spec> ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'l take one	21:14
Dr_Nunim	[14:12] <Dr_Nunim> Hell I'll even pay shipping.	21:14
Dr_Nunim	[14:12] <Dr_Nunim> but remember, you owe me.	21:14
Dr_Nunim	[14:13] <Xenon3DN> How is it "extra"?	21:14
Spec	ryanfaerman: like shipping? >:)	21:15
ericz	extra as in just some pieces of one? or extra as in fully operational and working? :p	21:15
ryanfaerman	extra for whoever wants to buy it	21:15
ryanfaerman	totally working	21:15
Dr_Nunim	Where'd you get it?	21:15
ryanfaerman	perfect condition	21:15
Dr_Nunim	StolenStuffRS?	21:15
ryanfaerman	compusa	21:15
ryanfaerman	no.	21:15
Dr_Nunim	Because they have junk there :o	21:15
ryanfaerman	i just don't use it so much	21:15
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ryanfaerman	when i do use it, it is mostly at home	21:16
Okko	hi, is jakub here?	21:16
ryanfaerman	just using it because i can	21:16
pupnik	~Every n800 is sacred... every n800 is great... If a n800 is wasted, god gets quite irate.~	21:16
infobot_	pupnik: okay	21:16
ryanfaerman	exactly, so i am trying to make it not wasted	21:16
pupnik	no money here sorry	21:17
Dr_Nunim	Well do a trade, I'll give you this box of stuff from Hong Kong for the n800.	21:17
Spec	haha	21:18
ryanfaerman	Dr_Nunim: that is worthless for me	21:18
pupnik	what are they going for? $280?	21:18
Dr_Nunim	HK stuff is pretty fun.	21:18
Spec	i do have money, however, the n770 > n800	21:18
Spec	i can't use the n770 has a usb host though, can i?	21:18
Spec	ie: connect iPod to n770	21:18
ttuttle	Is anyone still developing Hacker 2007? I saw a big whiny thread about it on the mailing list from April.	21:18
pupnik	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186 Spec	21:20
ryanfaerman	so what does a n800 go for, slightly used?	21:21
pupnik	depends on country	21:21
ryanfaerman	US	21:21
pupnik	there's this thing called ebay	21:21
ryanfaerman	i don't care where it goes, but the currency is US dollars	21:21
ryanfaerman	yea.. well shit, literal shit, sells for hundreds	21:22
pupnik	I know. I've gotten burned on a few auctions.	21:22
Spec	pupnik: oh, it looks like it needs rd-mode, which sometimes produces bad things?	21:22
Spec	and the iPod doesn't need power via usb, does it?	21:23
b^j	anyone know a good place to ask bluetooth questions?	21:23
pupnik	i haven't used a n770 with host mode	21:24
b^j	spec, i read that it was possible but i forgot where	21:25
Spec	awesome: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/01/no-solder-usb-host-method.html	21:26
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ttuttle	Does anyone know if there are any plans to continue development on Hacker 2007?	21:40
pupnik	it's a community project	21:40
ttuttle	pupnik: How active is it, and how much support from Nokia do we have for fixing bugs in closed parts of the code?	21:41
pupnik	and there's not a lot missing	21:41
pupnik	i don't know	21:41
pupnik	i run 2007 and besides a few glitches it works	21:41
ttuttle	pupnik: I mean, it works fine for me, but I am somewhat angry that Nokia is not supporting the 770 themselves despite the fact that it's still available.	21:42
pupnik	most of the stuff i run i compiled under 2006	21:42
pupnik	yeah	21:42
ttuttle	pupnik: I get a few reboots a day, but nothing horrible.	21:42
pupnik	still it's not like a windows OS running on millions on machines	21:42
pupnik	there are pretty severe econimic constraints	21:43
ttuttle	pupnik: Oh, can you get Marbles to start?	21:43
pupnik	sire	21:43
ttuttle	pupnik: I can't, for some reason.	21:43
pupnik	ran on 2006 and 2007	21:43
pupnik	:/	21:43
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ttuttle	pupnik: Well, it starts, but when I click "Continue" or "Start Game" it flashes for a second and then returns to the "Continue"/"Quit" screen.	21:43
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pupnik	ill try it	21:46
pupnik	game paused menu	21:48
pupnik	interesting	21:48
pupnik	i was just running it with synergy and when i moved the mouse off the screen, it pauses the game	21:49
ttuttle	pupnik: Hmm.	21:49
pupnik	but when i play it normally - tapping on the marbles - it works	21:49
ttuttle	pupnik: Hmm, maybe I need to reinstall it.	21:49
ttuttle	pupnik: Is it in a repo, or only the flash image?	21:49
pupnik	it's in a repo	21:50
ttuttle	pupnik: Oh, Nokia's?	21:50
pupnik	yes	21:50
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ttuttle	pupnik: What is it called?	21:50
ttuttle	pupnik: I can't find it in either installed or installable apps.	21:51
pupnik	osso-lmarbles	21:51
ttuttle	All I have is osso-statusbar-cpu and osso-xterm.	21:52
ttuttle	pupnik: Or do I need to use apt-get remove?	21:52
pupnik	can you ssh to the device	21:53
ttuttle	pupnik: Sure. Or I can be root in an xterm.	21:53
pupnik	well i don't have it2006	21:53
ttuttle	pupnik: Neither do I now. I'm running hacker 2007.	21:53
pupnik	apt-cache search marbles returned that package	21:53
pupnik	#maemo:name extras.maemo.org	21:54
pupnik	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free	21:54
pupnik	maybe your $home/.lmarbles_state is screwed up	21:55
ttuttle	pupnik: Let's hope not.	21:55
guardian	does the n800 have asian fonts installed ?	21:55
ttuttle	pupnik: So what's the repo again?	21:56
pupnik	i don't know actually	21:57
pupnik	apt-cache show and apt-cache policy don't tell me where it's from	21:57
ttuttle	pupnik: apt can't find it to reinstall :-\	21:57
pupnik	check our sources list - maybe you need extras	21:58
pupnik	cat /etc/apt/sources.list	21:58
ttuttle	pupnik: What's the URL for it?	21:58
pupnik	see above	21:58
ttuttle	pupnik: repository.maemo.org/extras?	21:58
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ttuttle	pupnik: Yeah I've got that.	21:59
ttuttle	pupnik: I'll refresh the list.	21:59
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pupnik	#maemo:name maemo-hackers	22:00
pupnik	deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main	22:00
pupnik	#maemo:name mg	22:00
pupnik	deb http://mg.pov.lt/770 bora user othe	22:00
pupnik	r	22:00
ttuttle	pupnik: Which of these do I need?	22:00
pupnik	i don't know	22:00
pupnik	http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html	22:01
ttuttle	pupnik: mistral or bora?	22:02
pupnik	based on that i assume it should be in the main maemo.org repository	22:02
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ttuttle	pupnik: Do I need to pull in maemo.org as mistral too?	22:04
pupnik	osso-lmarbles Installed: 1.3.42-0	22:04
pupnik	i don't have mistral in sources	22:04
ttuttle	pupnik: Okay.	22:04
pupnik	http://pastebin.ca/601823	22:05
pupnik	there's my sources.list	22:05
ttuttle	pupnik: And you have a source available for osso-lmarbles, but you don't know which one it is?	22:08
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pupnik	no, what's the command that shows me the repository for an installed package?	22:10
pupnik	er, "yes, i don't know which one it is"	22:10
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ttuttle	pupnik: I don't know. I don't know if there is any way to do that, or if it even tracks that.	22:11
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ttuttle	pupnik: I'm adding mistral for all the repos and trying to find it.	22:12
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ttuttle	pupnik: Should I have any components other than "free non-free" for Maemo.org repos?	22:12
pupnik	the repo is repository.maemo.org	22:13
pupnik	http://pastebin.ca/601823	22:13
pupnik	But i'm surprised you don't see it	22:14
pupnik	Nokia-N800-48:~# apt-cache search osso-lmarbles	22:14
pupnik	osso-lmarbles - Osso LMarbles game	22:14
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ttuttle	pupnik: I'm trying your sources.list for now.	22:15
ttuttle	pupnik: That's showing up because you have it installed.	22:15
pupnik	mmmaybe	22:15
ttuttle	pupnik: I uninstalled it, and now it can't find where to reinstall it from.	22:15
pupnik	removing	22:16
pupnik	hah you're right :P	22:16
ttuttle	pupnik: Yeah.	22:16
ttuttle	Hey, can anyone here make a deb of osso-lmarbles for me, and, I guess now pupnik?	22:16
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ttuttle	pupnik: Oh, and apt-cache can find it. Not apt-get, though.	22:17
pupnik	ok definitely an IT2007 problem	22:18
ttuttle	pupnik: Can you find the package for IT2006?	22:19
pupnik	Package osso-lmarbles is not available, but is referred to by another package.	22:19
pupnik	This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or	22:19
pupnik	is only available from another source	22:19
pupnik	However the following packages replace it: osso-graphics-game-lmarbles	22:19
pupnik	E: Package osso-lmarbles has no installation candidate	22:19
pupnik	so that's borked	22:20
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pupnik	qi.ouyang@nokia.com	22:20
pupnik	maintainer	22:20
pupnik	writing him a letter	22:20
nomis	gah. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170	22:20
pupnik	ttuttle: can you do the same - might help	22:21
ttuttle	pupnik: okay	22:21
ttuttle	pupnik: What's the opposite of "user" in the last field?	22:21
pupnik	?	22:21
ttuttle	pupnik: You know how the last field in sources.list has "user", "free", or "non-free" in it sometimes? What is the opposite of "user"?	22:22
ttuttle	pupnik: Wait, do you have osso-graphics-game-lmarbles available? Try installing that.	22:23
ttuttle	Does anyone here have a hacker edition 770 nearby?	22:23
ttuttle	(And xterm skills?)	22:23
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Jaffa	Tu13es: you pinged me?	22:23
pupnik	there's no opposite of user	22:23
ttuttle	Jaffa: Do you have any way to make a deb of lmarbles?	22:24
Tu13es	Jaffa: yeah, was wondering if the 770flasher app works with n800	22:24
Tu13es	i ended up using the cmd line utility, though	22:24
Tu13es	so no worries :)	22:24
pupnik	there must be one online ttuttle - at least for the it2006	22:24
Jaffa	Tu13es: I belive it does, yes.	22:24
Tu13es	cool	22:24
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Jaffa	ttuttle: I'd suggest http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ - but I'm biased	22:25
ttuttle	Jaffa: I was wondering if you could build me and pupnik a deb of lmarbles, since we both uninstalled it.	22:25
pupnik	Jaffa, do you need a maemo.org account to get your package added with mud-builder?	22:25
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ttuttle	Jaffa: ...?	22:28
keesj	pupnik: yes	22:29
keesj	ttuttle: I did not follow it all , but I have been quit active with mud	22:30
Jaffa	pupnik: in the sense that you need to add a patch to the patch tracker	22:30
ttuttle	keesj: Follow what?	22:30
Jaffa	Well, to contribute it to the project anyway. You could always keep it to yourself.	22:31
ttuttle	ericz: Hey.	22:31
ericz	ttuttle, hey, how you liking hacker edition?	22:32
ttuttle	ericz: Good, but I accidentally uninstalled lmarbles.	22:32
ericz	haha	22:32
keesj	perhaps we should create a mud debian package?	22:32
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pupnik	o(+cn)] [Act: 1,3,4,5]	22:36
pupnik	[#maemo]	22:36
pupnik	http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/os2007-src/osso-lmarbles_1.3.49-0.tar.gz	22:36
ttuttle	pupnik: That's source.	22:36
pupnik	ttuttle: you're a hacker, compile it :)	22:37
_Shurik_	marbles fun on the first level	22:37
ttuttle	_Shurik_: Do you have a 770 or an 800?	22:38
_Shurik_	after that it's too difficult	22:38
_Shurik_	n800	22:38
_Shurik_	well, so is chess really. Get's compicated after E2-E4 move	22:38
Jaffa	ttuttle: ah, I wondered why you were asking me. I just expanded the tarball ;-)	22:38
pupnik	i don't see why marbles isn't in the bora repo though	22:38
ttuttle	pupnik: Me neither.	22:38
ttuttle	Can anyone here find lmarbles anywhere, as a deb?	22:38
ericz	marbles is too hard.	22:39
ttuttle	ericz: lol	22:39
ericz	on easy, i can't get past the second level	22:39
pupnik	stumps me too after a few levels	22:39
_Shurik_	I think I got to level 4	22:39
_Shurik_	but it was difficult	22:40
ttuttle	Does anyone have a 770 with lmarbles and xterm and a way to get files off the device?	22:40
ttuttle	Oh, a 770 with hacker 2007.	22:40
_Shurik_	so I'm waiting for Doom3 port to n800	22:40
ericz	i have a 770 with os 2006 and xterm and lmarbles and a way to get files off the device.	22:41
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ericz	think there's any difference in the versions of marbles?	22:41
Spec	i have a 770 with os2k6 and xterm :p	22:41
Spec	what's lmarbles?	22:41
ericz	the marbles game	22:41
Spec	you mean the hard one?	22:42
ttuttle	Spec: Can you get files off the device?	22:42
Spec	that involves logic?	22:42
ttuttle	Spec: Yeah.	22:42
Spec	yes, xterm + ssh = win	22:42
_Shurik_	what I'm actually curious is how the hell did they do a port of StarControl 2 to maemo	22:42
_Shurik_	was the source released or something?	22:42
Spec	marbles rocks :o)	22:42
pupnik	_Shurik_: yes,	22:44
pupnik	toys for bob kept control of the source	22:44
pupnik	and they released it	22:44
pupnik	usually the publisher retains those rights, but in this case the creators demanded they keep rights to the source	22:44
_Shurik_	toys for bob?	22:44
pupnik	they created Star Control 2	22:44
_Shurik_	ah okay	22:44
_Shurik_	hmm, interesting	22:44
Spec	what is Star Control 2?	22:44
pupnik	it gets even funnier	22:44
pupnik	best game ever, Spec	22:45
_Shurik_	Spec: you don't know SC2?	22:45
ttuttle	Spec: Okay. Can you run this: eval tar -cvzf lmarbles.tar.gz `cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/lmarbles.md5sums \| awk '{print "/"$2" "}'` /var/lib/dpkg/info/lmarbles	22:45
ttuttle	Spec: And then send me lmarbles.tar.gz?	22:45
Spec	it's os2006, not hacker	22:45
_Shurik_	it's like Marbles, but 1,000,000 times better	22:45
ttuttle	Spec: That should be okay.	22:45
Spec	'k	22:45
pupnik	Their publisher demanded they release it and the programmers stole away with the development boxes and the source and HID to finish the game.	22:45
pupnik	They went underground.	22:46
_Shurik_	ah I see	22:46
ttuttle	pupnik: I think that script should let me reinstall it, as well as convince dpkg that I have reinstalled it.	22:46
pupnik	That's awesome. Anyway it turned out to be one of the greatest games of the 90s.	22:46
_Shurik_	there's just gotta be so much stuff that can be ran on maemo	22:46
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_Shurik_	after proper porting	22:46
pupnik	Well i'm working on On-Screen buttons for StarControl 2 so combat will be playable	22:47
_Shurik_	oh really?	22:47
_Shurik_	aswome	22:47
_Shurik_	also, it might be a bit naive of course, but it surprises me that n800 can't emulate NES all that good	22:48
pupnik	how is the framerate?	22:50
ttuttle	Spec: Has it finished?	22:50
Spec	ttuttle: no	22:50
_Shurik_	seems like 330 mHz vs 3.55	22:51
ttuttle	Spec: Okay. Is it working?	22:51
_Shurik_	well, it's lagging slightly. Not horribly, but still	22:51
_Shurik_	I understand hardware scrolling and sprites... but still seems like it should kick it's ass. Oh well	22:51
Spec	ttuttle: i don't think backticks work	22:53
ttuttle	Spec: Oh. Are you sure?	22:53
ttuttle	Spec: They worked here.	22:53
suihkulokki	_Shurik_: thing is, it's not enough to emulate the HW accelerators.. you have to emulate in a bug-to-bug compatible way, including making sure timings are identical to the original hardware	22:53
ttuttle	Spec: Well, do you know enough shell to work around it?	22:53
Spec	yes	22:54
ttuttle	Spec: Okay.	22:54
suihkulokki	_Shurik_: since game developers really used to exploit every last bit of hardware	22:54
Spec	but it's slow going as i don't have ssh-inbound access to my 770	22:54
ttuttle	Spec: Ah.	22:54
ttuttle	Can I get things like make, binutils, cpio, and so on for the N770?	22:55
Spec	weird that ` don't work	22:55
Spec	but $() does	22:55
ttuttle	Spec: Yeah.	22:55
_Shurik_	suihkulokki: makes sense... I know there is a reason why it is that way, just saying that still appears strange... oh well	22:55
ttuttle	Spec: And I got ` to work on Hacker 2007.	22:55
melmoth	ttuttle, it will be easier and faster to compile your app in scratchbox, where you will have make	22:57
ericz	wow, i can't believe there's an item for Idea applets thing in control panel, all that time i spent yesterday editing the xml file in nano..	22:59
_Shurik_	Hm, I wonder if using standard stereo 1/8" connector does any harm to device	22:59
Spec	ttuttle: bash?	22:59
_Shurik_	as it has 4th connecter for mic	22:59
_Shurik_	but then again.. probably not	22:59
Spec	ttuttle: I just did: echo `cat /var/lib/dpkg/status` to no avil, yet: echo $(cat /var/lib/dpkg/status) works just fine	22:59
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Spec	ttuttle: eh, sorry, hold on	23:04
Spec	ttuttle: waiting for network to start working again	23:04
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sbaturzio	Aloha!	23:04
* pupnik points to sdl... points to HWSURFACE... points to mplayer framebuffer hack...		23:05
pupnik	duno how much speed could be gained	23:07
_Shurik_	pupnik: you're talking about emu?	23:08
Spec	ttuttle: 'k	23:08
pupnik	SDL games	23:08
Spec	ttuttle: got an e-mail addy?	23:08
pupnik	and emus	23:08
_Shurik_	I see	23:09
_Shurik_	well, just need to ask Nokia to give us Geforse video on that thang	23:09
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yzf600	hello all	23:09
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ttuttle	Spec: thinkinginbinary@gmail.com. How big is it?	23:12
Spec	518kb	23:12
Spec	ttuttle: do you count binary on your hands?	23:12
Spec	'cause you can go up to 31 on your right hand, and up to 1023 on both. :)	23:12
ttuttle	Spec: lol	23:12
ttuttle	Spec: thanks	23:14
pupnik	nice Spec	23:15
Spec	hmm?	23:16
Spec	i haven't done anything nice yet	23:16
ttuttle	Spec: First time I tried, it rebooted. Let's see if it works the second time.	23:17
ttuttle	Spec: /me grumbles. It always reboots.	23:18
Spec	i've never had a problem yet	23:18
ttuttle	Does anyone have an N770 with hacker 2007 and Lmarbles?	23:18
ttuttle	Spec: Hmm.	23:18
ttuttle	Spec: Probably a library issue.	23:18
Spec	'da	23:18
Spec	you could set up a dev environment and compile it	23:19
ttuttle	Is it possible to back up the entire system somehow?	23:19
ttuttle	Spec: Yeah, but I need the graphics too.	23:19
Spec	graphics too?	23:19
Spec	i meant compile it for the hacker 2007	23:19
ttuttle	Spec: Yeah.	23:19
ttuttle	Spec: I need the graphics package too.	23:19
ttuttle	Or is there any way to loop-mount the hacker 2007 image?	23:20
Spec	so...anyone know if it's better to use sbrsh or qemu?	23:24
yzf600	Does anyone use gaim for yahoo IM?	23:25
yzf600	My install can't login and I tried to uninstal it and I can't	23:25
yzf600	Is running an ssh server on the 770 and logging in remotely the easiest way to get to a command line?	23:27
Spec	yes!	23:27
Spec	you can install xterm and use that, that's what i do	23:27
yzf600	ok	23:27
Spec	but ssh would be so much easier	23:27
Spec	but my wireless and wired networks are separated for security :-/	23:27
yzf600	Spec: can I then use the dpkg utils to force gaim to un-install?	23:27
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Spec	sure	23:29
Spec	i'm not saying it's a good idea	23:29
Spec	but you can :o)	23:29
Spec	dpkg --purge --force-whatevers-not-working <package>	23:29
yzf600	Spec: yea - at work we have the same deal. We have to run a windows only vpn client to get into the corp network	23:29
Spec	i could probably vpn in	23:29
Spec	but i don't think i have vpn software on my 770	23:30
Spec	and i'm pretty lazy	23:30
ericz	is their vpn software for the 770?	23:30
Spec	i would assume	23:30
yzf600	openvpn	23:32
yzf600	or something like that	23:32
yzf600	ok, so I just installed dropbearssh-server	23:36
yzf600	it complained that It could not install	23:36
yzf600	suck	23:37
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melmoth	use apt-get insted of the graphical installer...And if it still fail, you may have to be in 'red pill mode'	23:38
edistar	do I need to reflash if I want to have a new kernel?	23:40
edistar	seems like a lot of trouble..	23:40
yzf600	melmoth: so how to I apt-get if I don't have a terminal window like xterm yet?	23:41
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melmoth	install a xterm :)	23:41
melmoth	this should work with the gui	23:42
melmoth	actually dropbear should work as well, but i think it needs to have the gui installer in 'red pill' mode to be installable	23:42
ttuttle	If I show all packages in red pill mode in the App Manager... can I safely accept upgrades to those packages?	23:42
melmoth	i m not 100% sure though	23:42
ttuttle	Anyone?	23:43
yzf600	melmoth: yea - I just found the 2006 ssh page where it says for the openssh to install, you have to install becomeroot or get into r&d mode	23:43
edistar	that is the red pill mode?	23:43
yzf600	is r&d mode the same thing as 'red pill' mode?	23:43
melmoth	no	23:43
yzf600	ok	23:44
ttuttle	...?	23:44
sxpert	there's a 'red pill' mode ? what does it do ?	23:44
melmoth	red pill is something you set in the application manager stuff. r&d is somehing you set with the flasher	23:44
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sxpert	melmoth, ah right	23:44
nate12o6	has anyone here successfully got pptp vpn working on there n770?	23:45
melmoth	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode	23:45
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sxpert	haha. the root password to the iPhone is "dottie"	23:47
yzf600	cool - I'm in red pill mode now	23:47
edistar	sxpert: no, its alpine..	23:48
_Shurik_	sxpert: I don't get it	23:48
sxpert	that's the pasword for the "mobile" account	23:48
sxpert	_Shurik_, what don't you understand ?	23:48
_Shurik_	why "dottie" is funny	23:49
_Shurik_	I think it's that time of the day when all caffeine has worn out	23:49
sxpert	_Shurik_, more like "this thing will be hacked in no time"	23:50
florian	sxpert: Some guys in #unixag found out the same this morning...	23:50
sxpert	florian, haha.	23:50
sxpert	florian, the guys on full disclosure took all of 16 seconds :D	23:50
_Shurik_	aaah that's what you mean, got ya	23:50
florian	hehe	23:50
yzf600	wheeee - I have a command prompt on my 770!	23:50
* _Shurik_ sloooowwww		23:50
florian	sxpert: ok, fast machine...	23:51
_Shurik_	yzf600: congrats	23:51
nate12o6	has anyone even tried to get pptp or any vpn capability working on there nokia?	23:51
_Shurik_	now what you gonna do with all that black screen goodness?	23:51
_Shurik_	nate: I thought hamachi was possible	23:51
nate12o6	it is but i would like to stay away from that. i would like to vpn into a network not to a computer	23:52
yzf600	so has anyone used their 770 to make a voip call yet?	23:52
nate12o6	i have	23:52
nate12o6	its very cool	23:52
_Shurik_	me too	23:52
_Shurik_	yes, very cool	23:52
yzf600	what service did you use	23:52
nate12o6	just need to get pptp and im set	23:52
_Shurik_	calls from a weird 7xxxxx number	23:52
nate12o6	i use ipkall to get a free incomeing	23:52
_Shurik_	ipkall?	23:53
Spec	nate12o6: free incoming?	23:53
_Shurik_	interesting...	23:53
nate12o6	and right now im trying to set up voipbuster to gett free outgoing	23:53
nate12o6	yea	23:53
Spec	free outgoing as well?	23:53
nate12o6	check out ipkall.com	23:53
nate12o6	works awsome	23:53
nate12o6	no just incomeing	23:53
Spec	do you get a phone number or is it ip only?	23:53
nate12o6	phone number	23:53
nate12o6	out of washington state	23:53
_Shurik_	We don't sell equipment or service, there is no charge for registering or for connecting your calls to IP, and we do NOT provide any customer service.	23:53
Spec	so you get free incoming, but no free outgoing?	23:53
_Shurik_	buahaha!	23:53
nate12o6	correct	23:53
_Shurik_	sounds like I'm back in Russia	23:53
Spec	how much does it cost to make calls?	23:54
nate12o6	im still working on setting up voipbuster to get free outgoing	23:54
nate12o6	vb is free	23:54
nate12o6	to 100 countries	23:54
nate12o6	but i have not succefully made a call with the 770 yet	23:54
_Shurik_	is anyone getting a reeeeeeally long conneciton time with VB?	23:54
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_Shurik_	I waited for 5 mins and it never connected to US number	23:55
Spec	nate12o6: well, keep us tuned in	23:55
_Shurik_	kept ringing	23:55
nate12o6	sure will	23:55
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nate12o6	but i would definately recommend ipkall. It works flawlessly with gizmo project	23:56
Spec	gizmo project?	23:56
Dr_Nunim	The VOIP application	23:56
nate12o6	gizmo project is the softphone that is ported to maemo	23:56
Spec	nate12o6: so with ipkall i could receive calls on my 770, assuming it had webernet connectivity?	23:56
_Shurik_	what did you use to register: freeworldfialup.com or mutualphone.com?	23:57
Spec	i'm working on getting webernet connectivity wherever i am (aircrack-ng suite)	23:57
_Shurik_	or is that even neccessary?	23:57
yzf600	so how would one use the built in voice call app?	23:57
nate12o6	Spec: yes. and if you are not connected to the internet gizmo will take a voice mail and record it as a missed call. it will also email you an mp3 of your voicemail.	23:57
yzf600	when I go to setup an account, all it allows is jabber and google talk	23:57
nate12o6	_Shurik_: i used gizmo to register. I just fowarded ipkall to my gizmo account. I like it this way because it handles all missed calls through the ui.	23:58
Spec	can you get google talk to dial/receive phone #rs?	23:58
nate12o6	on the 770	23:58
Spec	so gizmo is a service?	23:58
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nate12o6	yes. service that supplys a softphone	23:58
nate12o6	yzf600 you must download the gizmo project and install it	23:58
nate12o6	Spec i didnt understand your google talk question	23:59
Spec	google talk is voip?	23:59

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