IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-07-02

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Niacinhaving problems with pppd00:00
Niacinanyone know whats the story with syslog on the 770?00:00
jpt9found it.  doesn't seem to be on the small keyboard...00:00
* pupnik hasn't looked into logging00:01
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milhouseNiacin: go on, give us a clue...00:02
ericzfceu rocks.00:02
milhousesyslog works fine on the 770 as far as I can recall00:02
Niacineh i dont even see it runing00:03
milhousetry starting it manually00:04
milhousewith /etc/init.d/syslog start (probably)00:04
milhouseor syslogd instead of syslog00:04
Niacinyea its aliased in /mnt/initfs/bin...00:05
Niacinto busybox00:05
Niacinbut busybox doesnt see it00:05
milhousedid you install syslog?00:05
milhouseapt-get install syslog (i think)00:06
Niacinhmm i dont think its a package ;)00:07
milhouseit is00:07
milhousemaybe not syslog - try syslogd00:07
milhouseam just doing some checks to see if you need a special repository00:08
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milhouse"apt-get install syslogd" should do the trick00:09
Niacinits not a package00:09
NiacinE: Couldn't find package syslogd00:09
Niacinwhat catalog addresses you have?00:09
milhousei just checked it on an n800, i installed syslog _ages_ ago on my 77000:10
milhousebut it's not to hand right now00:10
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Niacinis there a better cmd then apt-cache search syslog ?00:11
Niacinlike yum provides syslogd ? hhe00:11
milhouseobviously searching the new and improved for information is a complete waste of time now - zero hits for "syslog" in mail archives00:14
milhouseNiacin: gregale free non-free00:18
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Niacingreat thanks man00:19
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ericzcan i add a line in /etc/sudoers so that i can sudo from xterm with 'user' ?00:26
ericzor would that break anything?00:27
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jpt9i found the user dictionary00:29
jpt9i have no clue what format the file is in, though...00:29
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jpt9any ideas?00:30
milhousei suppose you could try deleting/zapping the files to see if you can start from scratch, but editing looks a bit tricky00:32
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milhouseiPhone processor details - it's a nippy bastard:
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milhousestill don't know how the iPhone with that CPU can eek out 6 hours on WiFi00:35
milhousewhen the N800 can manage only 4 hours00:35
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milhousedoes that mean the iPhone has a much bigger battery (I'd buy a bigger battery for my N800 if one was available!) or that Nokia can do more to improve power management in OS 2007?00:35
gla55_milhouse: on wifi doing what?00:36
milhouseah, that's the question i suppose00:36
gla55_theres also things like.. different screen00:37
milhouseme, surfing wikipedia (so far more reading than downloading) leads to about 4 and a bit hours of usage from a fresh charge00:37
milhousei suspect the backlight sucks up a lot of juice, a small amount of cpu for scrolling and page loading, then the rest on wifi?00:38
pupnikmust have brightness on high00:38
pupnikon lowest brightness i was getting 8-10 hours00:38
milhousei could try it lower i guess00:38
milhousebut still, the announced iPhone figures seem quite impressive but without context it's hard to compare00:38
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* pupnik will always be a Tablet guy, and if a cellfone is necessary it will be the cheapest POS available00:40
gla55_depends on wifi environment too you know00:40
milhouseyeah, will be interesting to find out some "real life" performance figures over the coming weeks00:41
milhouseI hope they _are_ good figures, as it means that Nokia can improve00:41
ericzAH! i keep opening my browser, and before the page even comes up, it closes..00:42
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pupniknice - bloom county is back (iphone comic)00:43
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ericz...what do i do00:44
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padrinowithout putting a full toolchain together I am having a hard time finding for my n770 (OS 2006). Could someone please point me to a binary?00:45
pupnikapt-get install libxmu6 ?00:46
ericzwhat's up with my browser00:47
pupnikoh nm - i have it compiled here padrino00:47
ericzim connected, i've rebooted00:47
ericzit keeps closing00:47
ericzwhat can i do00:47
milhouseericz - anything in dmesg?00:48
ericzuh, i just unplugged the charger00:49
ericzand now it works?00:49
ericzcoincidence, i bet00:49
ericzman, this thing is too weird, its working now.. no reason00:50
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ericzwhats the command in xterm to run the browser manually?00:51
ericzand will that output errors, if it happens again?00:51
pupnikgood question00:51
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pupnikbrowser.launch segfaults here and browser does nothing00:54
padrinopupnik, can you DCC, email, or send via another method you prefer?00:56
pupnikapt-cache search libxmu shows libxmu6 on my N770 with IT2007HE00:56
pupnikpadrino: you should be able to run "apt-get install libxmu6"00:57
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Xenon3DNBooga booga.00:57
Xenon3DNAnyone know where to find the smbfs support for the 770 that smbbrowser requires?00:58
padrinopupnik, I have all repos listed on Maemo along with a couple of other 3rd party ones and it is not in any of them.00:58
pupnikwhat OS?00:59
padrinopadrino, I have found it in 2007 and I see some software that uses it in 2006 but I haven't found the library via a deb or standalone00:59
padrinopupnik, 200600:59
padrinopupnik, yes, using the rev it came with.00:59
padrinopupnik, should I upgrade? I took a look yesterday but didn't see a real beenfit in using HE.01:01
pupnikah it's... well i dunno...01:01
padrino(only had the device one day)01:01
pupniki'm looking at my libxmu and will see if i can make a deb for you01:01
Xenon3DNI'm in the same boat, padrino. You buys yours from
padrinoXenon3DN, Woot..01:02
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Xenon3DNAhh. Think they both got stock of them at the same time.01:03
padrinopupnik, I'll take just the library..01:03
padrinopupnik, no need to go through the trouble if you don't want to01:03
pupnikah it wants a higher level of debhelper01:04
Xenon3DNHas anyone figured out how to mount an SMB filesystem on a 770 under 2006 OS?01:04
pupnikhmm dependencies also a problem01:06
padrinopupnik, ahh, maybe 2007 isn't a bad idea after all :)01:07
pupnik <<-- that game needs libxmu too01:09
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pupnikpokute: would you test it for me?  i think i've got the dependencies fixed01:13
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pupnikpadrino: sorry got your nick wrong01:26
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ttuttleis there a way to make a backup of my 770 that i could reflash to it if i needed, like with all my apps and stuff?01:34
milhouseonly on to MMC01:34
pupnikCan i take a N800 motherboard and drop it in a 770 case?01:36
padrinopupnik, trying it now..01:36
ttuttlemilhouse:  but i can't back up apps, just documents, right?01:37
milhousepupnik: too big i'd have thought - you might need to chop off the right hand speaker... ;)01:37
milhousettuttle: using the standard backup tool, correct01:37
milhousetuttle: if you want to "backup" your apps, the best you can do is dual boot from MMC01:37
pupnikstupid question milhouse01:37
milhousehowever reinstalling apps isn't that difficult if you set up a web page with a list of one-click install links01:38
pupniki'd just love the speed and memory of the n800 on the 77001:38
milhousepupnik - i too miss the 770 form factor and slide-on case :(01:38
ttuttlepupnik:  mmm yeah... n770 rocks!01:38
rhysscreen protector?01:38
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milhousei think the N800 is pretty fugly to be honest, the next version needs a serious make over to compete with future devices (inc. the iPhone)01:39
pupnikI'm probably going to have grey hairs before someone makes a tablet that will replace my 77001:39
padrinopupnik, Thanks.. I had a missing dependency with x11-common but ignoring it got it installed and it works..01:40
pupnikok i'll see if i can remove that - let me know if you run into any other issues, please01:40
ttuttlethe n800 has second system syndrome... it's overengineered. and ugly. the 770 looks cooler. and i'm not just saying that because i have one ;-)01:40
pupnikWell everyone has different priorities but for me the 770 has a classic look that won't be emulated by anything again, imo01:41
ttuttlepupnik: exactly!01:42
pupnikand i really like how slim it is01:42
* ttuttle high-fives pupnik.01:43
Sho_milhouse: hm, totally different impression here: the n700 was pretty ugly and looking unfinished, like prototype hardware, and the n800 looks rather nice and slick01:43
pupnik  <-- ttuttle, do those onscreen buttons look ok to you?01:43
rhyswhy do you need the n770s flipcovers?01:43
rhyswhats wrong with a screen protector?01:43
ttuttleand wifi kicks the ass of cellular data, especially not 3G.  coughiphonecough01:43
milhouseSho_ - I think the N800 looks very dated while the 770 also looked dated it's muted colours and slide on case were quite stylish (industrial, if you will).01:44
Sho_milhouse: like I said, I have about the opposite impression here :)01:44
pupnikAt least they don't look like cheapo korean stuff01:44
milhouserhys: do you own a 770?01:44
ttuttlerhys: er, a screen protector is not a solid barrier, and it mars the image.01:45
milhousesho_ - yeah, it obviously appeals to some but I think Nokia can do much better in future01:45
ttuttleSho_ is just sayingly01:45
ttuttleer, sayinged01:45
milhouserhys - if you had a 770 you'd realise the versatily and function of the case cover - it was so much more than a screen protector01:46
milhousealthough that was it's primary function of course :)01:46
Sho_And isn't the slide-on thingie on the N770 simply annoying?01:46
ttuttlesaying that because Sho_ has an 800.01:46
milhouseno, it was GREAT!01:46
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milhouseit put the device into sleep mode and took it out of sleep mode - like magic01:46
Sho_ttuttle: Or maybe I have an 800 because the 770 didn't strike my fancy? ;)01:46
milhouseMy N800 is so much less well protected than my 77001:47
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rhysmine is coming tommarow.01:47
ttuttleSho_: maybe you're justifying the higher price to yourself... ;-)01:47
ttuttlerhys:  congrats!01:48
rhys85$ more didnt seem bad for the extra proc, ram and flash, plus flash 7 instead of 6.01:48
* Sho_ has a protection foil on the display and uses that nice fleece sleeve that came with the n800 and feels adequately protected01:48
Sho_ttuttle: IIRC the N770 was about the same when it came out01:48
rhysif i dont think its protected enough, out comes the rhino guard.01:48
Sho_ttuttle: or even a little more01:48
Dr_Nunimthe slide case is the best part of the 770.01:48
pupnikFor me the n900 needs to be a n800 with better dpad, a sliding cover, and buttons on the right (and multi-button pressing)01:49
milhousepupnik: and some style! :)01:49
Sho_hm, if it has one of those ugly slide covers (I just hate having multiple parts ..) I'll probably not buy it :)01:49
pupnikOh and better build quality.  These mexican n800s are too often having problems01:49
Dr_NunimIt's so useful though.01:49
Dr_NunimIt's like, oh I'm done for now?01:49
Sho_What the hell for? :)01:49
milhousethe good thing about the 770 cover was that you didn't have to use it :)01:49
Dr_NunimSlide on cover, instant lock and offline mode.01:49
pupnikSho_: you can leave the slide cover off01:50
milhouseit worked perfectly without it01:50
gomiampupnik: what kind of probles?01:50
gomiamI have had no physical problems with my N80001:50
pupnikthis is just from forums.  Dead areas on screen, other issues.  Hard to say if there is *really* a quality-control problem or not01:50
pupnikso don't take this as defaming the n800 please01:51
gomiamno problem, pupnik. I'm just curious since I have one and I would like to know what could go wrong with it before it happens :-)01:51
milhouseRe: dead areas01:51
ttuttleoh- is there a way to disable the auto offline with the lid on?01:51
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milhouseI noticed this bug of mine recently got aliased to an internal Nokia bug id:
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milhousewhich maybe suggests a firmware fix is in the offing01:52
milhouseI had to get my N800 screen replaced01:52
milhousedue to lack of sensitivity (seems OK so far +2 months on)01:52
milhousettutle - yes, there's a checkbox in Connections if I recall correctly01:53
ttuttlewhat's the bug?01:53
milhouseit's about loss of sensitivity on N800s (read it :) )01:54
milhouseif you check the activity, it was assigned and aliased to Nokia ID #55922 on 28 June01:54
ttuttlemilhouse: i don't see it.01:56
milhouseclick the "View Bug Activity" link just above the first comment01:56
milhouseoh, the case option? doh01:57
ttuttlei meant the lid thing.01:57
milhouseyeah, i'm with you now...01:57
milhouseerm... it's in their somewhere01:57
milhousemaybe check Display (in Control Panel)?01:57
milhouseor Connectivity01:58
ttuttlemilhouse: ah. problem is i'm running hacker, which thinks it's on an n800, which doesn't have the lid.01:59
VimSittuttle: and your 770 turns into offline-mode when you slid the lid on ?!02:01
ttuttlehmm, lemme try.02:01
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VimSibecause mine doesn't02:02
ttuttlewell, it turns the screen on and off.02:02
VimSibut the connections stay alive, right ?02:02
Niacinanyone managed to get bluetooth dun working with their cell phone?02:02
ttuttleNiacin:  yes02:03
Niacinttuttle: i'm having issues with mine and tmobile.. think you could lend a hand? :)02:03
Niacini think its the ppp script + chatscript02:03
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Niacinany chance you can yours?02:03
ttuttleniacin: well i have cingular...02:03
Niacinwell just a sample of the scripts would be great02:04
milhousettutle - aha!02:04
Niacinim sure i can tweak the tmobile stuff02:04
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Niacinwhat phone are you using?02:04
* VimSi is going to slepp... it awfully early here 02:04
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milhouseNiacin - if it's a recent Windows Mobile phone you might be have a few problems...02:05
gla55_the automatic gui thingy has works fine with most phones for setting up bt dun..02:07
gla55_damn. should go to sleep I suppose.02:07
milhousegla55 - true, but Win Mob 5 AKU3 dropped support for BT DUN entirely02:08
milhouseso if it's a WM5 AKU3...02:08
milhousenice... Skype on N800 video
Tu13esanyone know if the N800 has dropped below $360 on Amazon?02:09
milhousearse, I take that back - Skype doesn't appear apart from the logo in the taskbar :(02:09
milhouseno i'm wrong again, Skype makes an appearance about 40 seconds into the vid02:10
gla55_nice, nice02:11
pupnikthey finally ported skype to n800?02:11
pupnikthat'll make a lot of people happy02:11
milhousethe people demonstrating sound oriental...02:11
milhouselike Chinese maybe02:11
Niacinits a blackberry02:12
Niacinand it works fine in windows xp / vista / mac osx02:12
Niacinjust not my 77002:12
rhysgrr.. i hate skype. im just gonna get everyone to use gizmo.02:13
milhouseeveryone I know uses Skype02:14
brlancerI should have gotten more n770s when I had the chance02:14
brlancerat the w00t price02:14
pupnikthey're gone now?02:14
milhousewhich is why GoogleTalk is of no value to me whatsoever02:14
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rhysmilhouse, the few people I know will use gizmo.02:15
brlancermilhouse: how does skype generate revenue?02:15
milhousebrlancer - a percentage of overseas calls?02:16
milhouseand maybe calls to landlines?02:16
milhousei think skype-to-skype is 100% free02:16
milhousepeople i know run their business over skype...02:16 has it02:16
brlancer@xmas I had trouble with sitting on an "in stock" shipment02:17
brlancerI ended up ordering it elsewhere and trying to cancel's--which they "immediately" shipped and I couldn't cancel02:18
Niacinrfcomm0: 00:0F:86:A0:54:E2 channel 0 clean02:19
Niacinit binds fine... its gotta be the ppp script02:19
brlancerthe n770 would make a good stereo component for "radio"02:19
milhouseNiacin - what phone is it?02:26
milhousemore importantly, what OS02:26
Niacinblackberry 870002:26
milhouseis on the phone02:26
milhouseah, BB have issues too02:26
Niacinworks fine one all other OS's02:26
Niacinwith no drivers... just standard bluetooth DUN02:26
milhouseat least, I thought blackberries were a little iffy02:28
ttuttleanyone know a good site for tv listings that works well on the 770/800? or an app?02:28
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milhousedoes the BlackBerry 8700 support Bluetooth DUN?02:30
ttuttleis abiword for the 770 stable?02:30
Dr_NunimAnyone know a good UK vendor for the 770?02:31
Dr_NunimThe one that someone linked to was out of stock until the 15th.02:31
Niacinmilhouse not directly... i have an app loaded that gives you dun support02:32
Niacinworks fine on all OS's i have tried02:32
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milhouseDr Nunim - expansys is the cheapest so far, is that who you mean are out of stock (stock arriving 14 July)02:33
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Dr_NunimMy UK friend wants one after seeing that I got one from woot.02:34
milhouseAmazon UK have the 770 in stock for £169 *with* Nav kit02:34
Dr_NunimFirst I told him to try here and next buy.com02:34
Niacingonna try on my centos machine02:34 won't ship to the UK for some silly reason.02:34
milhouse(it's more expensive WITHOUT the Nav kit!)02:34
Dr_NunimYeah but it looses it's budget item value at $16902:35
milhouse£169 not $169 :(02:35
Dr_NunimI don't have that key.02:35
milhouseah, of course02:35
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Dr_NunimI ment that though.02:35
milhousethink it would be ALT-something for you :)02:35
Dr_NunimDo you guys have a $ key btw?02:35
milhouseALT-0163 :)02:36
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jpt9Anyone know a good tv listings site that works well on opera on a n770?02:38
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KaylaKazelocal or general network?02:40
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KaylaKaze(listings, that is)02:40
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jpt9local antenna listings02:41
milhouseNiacin - your BB issue, are you on Cingular/AT&T?02:41
jpt9hopefully something light on graphics02:41
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Dr_NunimThey seem to be a expansys sister company02:43
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Niacinmilhouse tmobile02:53
Tu13eshrm, my n770 doesn't appear to sleep wireless in IT2007HE, any ideas?02:54
milhouseah ok, there's a bug in the Phone Wizard on Cingular connections02:55
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ttuttleWhat does R&D mode do, besides bypass the check on gainroot?03:09
ttuttleAnd the pretty green messages, and the tool icon?03:09
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ttuttleHey, does anyone know where to get syntax highlighting for Vim on the Nokia 770?03:17
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jpt9you don't need to get it; just enable it.03:19
ttuttlejpt9: Er, no.03:19
ttuttle~/MyDocs/Python $ vim test.py03:19
ttuttleError detected while processing /home/user/.vimrc:03:19
ttuttleline    3:03:19
ttuttleE484: Can't open file /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/syntax.vim03:19
ttuttlePress ENTER or type command to continue03:19
jpt9well, huh...03:20
ttuttlejpt9: Where'd you get your vim package?03:20
ttuttlejpt9: Were you running it on your computer, not your N770?03:20
ttuttleI can always scp the files from my laptop.03:20
ttuttlejpt9: ...?03:22
ttuttlejpt9: Hmm, that's where I got mine.  click to install?03:23
jpt9i think03:23
ttuttleI'll reinstall it.03:23
* ttuttle loves having a pocket-sized Debian system.03:23
* jpt9 does too.03:24
ttuttleIt's so @#$%#$% cool!03:24
KaylaKazeis there a better image viewer for 770 than the default?03:25
ttuttleAnyone know of a better editor for Python?03:25
jpt9i know.  we all know :-)03:25
KaylaKazeeditor for python? you mean a text editor?03:25
ttuttleKaylaKaze: Yeah.  For Python code that I'm developing *on* the N770 *for* the N770 ;-)03:25
ttuttleIs this bad?  "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `gstreamer0.10-hantro' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed."03:25
KaylaKazewell, 1, I'd suggest not using the 770 for writing the code :-P03:25
ttuttleKaylaKaze: Over ssh, most likely.03:26
pupnikKaylaKaze: why?  it's python03:26
jpt9what's wrong with vim?  it's pretty much the best editor you'll get on the n770 for programming in any language03:26
ttuttlejpt9: It's the text input.03:26
Niacindamn it03:26
KaylaKazewhy not just mount a share and edit the file directly with a IDE or good text editor?03:26
Niacinim so close to gettin this working03:26
ttuttleIs it feasible to install a full toolchain on the N770, anyway?03:26
ttuttleKaylaKaze: 'cause Vim *is* a good text editor, and it works now.03:26
KaylaKazeI use nano for text editing on ssy though03:26
pupniki wish the 770 had nfs server03:27
Niacini think that means the chat script is wrong right?03:27
jpt9aren't you using ssh?  and therefore your laptop's keyboard?03:27
jpt9or am i missing something?03:28
ttuttlejpt9: No, I'm using the laptop, but I might want to use the N770 itself.  For example on the bus.03:28
ttuttlejpt9: I have a 90 minute commute to and from work, might as well get some coding done :-)03:28
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KaylaKazeyeah, you'll get about 15 minutes worth of normal coding in 90 minutes on the 77003:29
KaylaKazeI can't even stand to type a whole mount command on the 77003:29
ttuttleKaylaKaze: lol03:29
jpt9well, if you use vim's abbreviations...03:29
ttuttleKaylaKaze: Maybe I'll write a kickass IDE with autocompletion and stuff.03:29
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ttuttlejpt9: Ooh, good idea.03:29
KaylaKazeso, about that image viewer... is there one?03:30
jpt9also, the n770's hwr is simpliwrite... i've used the palm version before.03:31
ttuttlejpt9: Ah.03:31
ttuttlejpt9: It's pretty good, I think.03:31
milhouseKaylaKaze - try Quiver03:31
pupnikKaylaKaze: there is a great new one - forgot the name - probably on garage now.  i prefer gqview03:32
jpt9this is so fun chatting on irc from the living room couch,03:33
KaylaKazedownloading quiver...03:33
KaylaKazesweet! Quiver has direct filesystem access03:36
ttuttlePython works!03:37
KaylaKazeof course it does03:38
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ttuttleYeah, but it's cool.  I can code on the N770!03:38
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Dr_NunimI tried to do some php on mine03:41
Dr_Nunimbut it took too long.03:41
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ttuttle_n770 ftw!03:42
pupnikDon't forget scummvm, mplayer...03:42
pupnika few xmame games work great03:43
pupnikhi unique31103:43
unique311skype clip03:43
unique311whats up?03:43
pupnikavoiding anything productive as usual03:43
KaylaKazethis quiver may not be bad for comic book viewing03:47
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KaylaKazewith a little bit of improved functionality, quiver would be great for comic viewing03:54
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KaylaKazeI wonder if they use any special optimized code for file loading or if the same could be accomplished with a normal image load such as in python or gdk03:58
Dr_NunimPeople bitching about myspace on woot forums must be some idiots.03:58
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Dr_NunimWorks fine, slow as it might be due to bad user page layouts.03:59
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KaylaKazecd /media04:00
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ericz_gaim must be causing my issues with menus flashing white and closing04:01
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ericz_haven't had the issue all day, until now, when i use gaim04:02
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Niacinhmm i think i figured out whats wrong04:09
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Niacinits binding to the wrong port04:09
Niacineh channel not port04:09
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KaylaKazeIt'd be nice to be able to replace the default file browser for when a program uses File-Open04:10
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jga23what is python osso?04:18
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ttuttleIs there any way to check Gmail with POP without making messages disappear?04:32
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Sulis_ttuttle: yes, it's all in the gmail setting04:43
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ttuttleSulis_: hmm.  I've had problems with it before.04:45
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Sulis_with it deleting messages?04:45
Sulis_i've never had that04:46
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ttuttleSulis_: No, they just don't show up in POP after I've fetched them once.04:46
ttuttleSulis_: They aren't deleted or archived.04:46
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Sulis_hmm, that doesn't happen for me...04:47
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KaylaKazeshit. I broke my cifs connecting04:47
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Sulis_ttuttle: there's a setting that says "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)"04:49
KaylaKazeand I fixed it. If anyone wants cifs sharing, I've determined it's the "smbbrowser" package that'll do it04:50
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ttuttleSulis_: I don't know if that works.  I think it just resets it to show all messages, but they still disappear after you fetch them once.04:52
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ttuttleIs it possible to get the 770 to cause a cell phone to dial a certain number, like if you look it up in Contacts?05:02
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milhousethere's an app for that05:02
ttuttlemilhouse: Oh?05:03
ttuttlemilhouse: Is it the one that uses gnokii?05:03
milhousecan't remember what it's called and... is down :(05:03
ttuttleoh :-(05:03
ttuttlewell, i'm going to bed.  g'nite, and thanks to all for the help.05:05
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* pupnik_ pees on DRM05:08
milhousettuttle - in case you check back via google... it's called phonelink05:08
milhousetake a dump for me too pupnik ;)05:09
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* Dr_Nunim is thinking of stenciling Che on the cover of his 770.05:11
omnixany news on voip for 770?05:11
omnixjust got Gizmo to work as a sip client for my asterisk box05:11
omnixbut when i use it to call phones outside my network, i can hear them but they can't hear me05:11
omnixwhat other sip/iax clients are there for maemo?05:12
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Xenon3DNStill hoping to find someone who knows something about installing smbfs or cifs on 770/2006/mistral.05:16
KaylaKazeI've got cifs running05:16
pupnik_i never really tried - someone here did05:16
KaylaKazeinstall smbbrowser05:16
KaylaKazethen you can use mount -t cifs to mount windows shares05:17
Xenon3DNSmbbroswer says it needs the smbfs package:05:17
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Xenon3DNIs that incorrect then?05:17
omnixdownload smbclient05:17
KaylaKazesmclient and smbbrowser05:17
omnixsmbclient allows u to mount cifs05:17
Xenon3DNWell, shooooot.05:17
KaylaKazenot by itself it doesn't05:18
milhouseXenon3DN - check
milhousecifs modules05:18
milhouseare there05:18
pupnik_E: Couldn't find package smbclient05:18
omnixis there a slingplayer for maemo?05:18
KaylaKazeI unistalled all my samba stuff to make room and when I couldn't mount(thinking cifs wasn't samba) I install smbclient first and it still didn't work05:18
pupnik_Nokia-N800-48:~# apt-cache search smb05:19
pupnik_mc - midnight commander - a powerful file manager05:19
KaylaKazesmbclient just shows up in my appman. I don't know repositoy I have listed that has it though05:19
Xenon3DNmilhouse: Not immediately seeing sny smb-related there. Hit me with the clue-by-4.05:19
KaylaKazeI'm trying to decide if I should install mc05:19
pupnik_last time i looked at smb stuff it was many megabytes05:19
KaylaKazewith down, you might not be able to get it right now05:20
milhouseXenon3DN - download the tar file, it contains smbfs and lots of other filesystem support05:20
KaylaKazeit's about 6 megs for smbclient and smbbrowser05:20
milhouseit only mentions a subset of the supported modules on the web page...05:20
omnixif you don't mind me asking, what are you looking to do with smb?05:21
KaylaKazeso that repository may have the smblite05:21
Xenon3DNOk. I see it now. not sure why I didn't pick up cifs on that fanoush page.05:21
Xenon3DNI'd like to maybe browse pictures or other files on my Linux fileserver. Why?05:22
milhouse"Additional modules" for 2.2006.39-14 is probably what you are after (should work with mistral...)05:22
omnixoh, linux?05:22
omnixdoes maemo support nfs out of the box?05:23
milhousenot out of the box05:23
Xenon3DNYeah, Linux fileserver. I don't think it speaks NFS.05:23
pupnik_which sux05:23
milhousebut modules are available for nfs05:23
pupnik_need a special kernel afaik05:23
KaylaKazeI need to get a pencil style stylus. I think my actual mechanical pencil would probably scratch the screen05:23
omnixwhat do ppl use to stream mp3s to their 770?05:24
pupnik_The following packages have unmet dependencies: nfs-common: Depends: adduser but it is not installable05:24
pupnik_IT2007HE is... a WIP05:24
omnixwhat's WIP?05:24
Xenon3DNWork in Progress.05:24
omnixah.  i just got my 770 today.  playing around with it as much as I can05:25
omnixshould I stick with IT2006?05:25
pupnik_i'd advise that05:25
Xenon3DNI have an icecast (OGG Vorbis) server on my Linux machine, but I use it to stream realtime audio, not songs. But it can stream songs.05:25
omnixxenon, what client for maemo is used with that?05:25
pupnik_mplayer can do ogg streams, dunno what else05:25
Xenon3DNI was able to listen to my icecast stream with Meamo's OGG Player. But the player doesn't seem to have a way to remember or bookmark a stream from one run to another. :(05:25
KaylaKazeif I could make a piece of plastic about an inch long and .5 mm around with a small ball on the end (or a styraight pin that thin with a tiny plastic ball on the end) I could load it in my mech. pencil and use it...05:25
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pupnik_KaylaKaze: ...uhh... what?05:28
Xenon3DNLike, a round-ended fake pencil lead.05:28
pupnik_Oh for a more comfortable stylus?05:29
Dr_NunimI use my office depot plastic mechanical pencil05:29
Xenon3DNEMachineshop might be able to make you one, if you could find the right materials and process to fab it:05:29
Dr_NunimIt's out of lead and has a plastic tip05:29
pupnik_I want someone who can manufacture a few hundred replacement aluminum sliding covers, with wings on the side containing a bluetooth gamepad with buttons on each side05:30
KaylaKazeis there a way I can make mount not need root?05:31
KaylaKazepupnik_: yes05:31
KaylaKazewell, I have a mech pencil I realy like and is very comfortable put it has a metal tip'05:32
milhouseKaylaKaze - sudo, most likely05:33
Xenon3DNpupnik: I probably know someone who could do that for you, but it ain't cheap. ;)05:35
pupnik_I just pray that the N900 will have gaming-compatible controls.05:37
pupnik_This "thou shalt not play games" product design should have died with the original IBM PC in 198105:37
KaylaKazeI found a .5mm wire05:38
KaylaKazeand I'm gonna make a plastic tip with my hot glue gun05:38
Xenon3DNMmmm. I bet you could find solder in the right size and melt the tip into a ball.05:39
KaylaKazeyeah, but I don't want a metal tip, even if smooth. I would be concerned about scratching it... though I do have some pretty smooth solder...05:40
Xenon3DNWell, hot glue is probably the next best bet. Maybe a small rod in a plastic BB or the like?05:40
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omnixwhat PIM app do most ppl use05:41
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Xenon3DNOmnix: Palm Treo. ;)05:42
pupnik_You can run Palm software on the Nokias now05:42
omnixhow's that work05:42
rwhitbypupnik_: is there a .deb for that yet?05:42
pupnik_think aso05:42
rwhitbyomnix: it runs POSE05:42
pupnik_that's a .deb for Bora afaict05:44
omnixcan this run palm 5 or only up to palm 4.x?05:44
pupnik_4.5 i think05:44
pupnik_only 68k palms05:44
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Xenon3DNOk, KaylaKaze, I'm a N770/Maemo noob, having gotten it on Friday from, but I'm a debian old hand. Spell out for me, using _small_ words, what the minimum I need to mount a smb filesystem from my Linux machine?05:52
pupnik_i'd go with nfs or sshfs just to avoid the BLECH factor...05:57
pupnik_usually i scp -c blowfish stuff back and forth05:57
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Xenon3DNWell, yeah, but I have a working SMB system, so I don't want to screw with it otherwise, if I can get smbfs or cifs to work. Is nfs faster on N770 or something?05:58
pupnik_no idea, last i checked you needed to install a kernel with nfs compiled-in05:59
Xenon3DNSo, about the same difficulty level as getting smbfs to work. ;)05:59
pupnik_Yeah, but that root filesystem fills fast06:00
pupnik_12 MB for SMB is BLECH06:00
Xenon3DNDO you really need all of that? I didn't think you did, just for the client.06:00
pupnik_i dunno - going from memory06:01
JussiPFor mounting, yes. For simple file transfer just use smbclient or Nautilus or Konqueror.06:01
pupnik_nautilus has built-in smb?06:01
milhouseAre you trying to mount a Windows share?06:02
Xenon3DNYeah, my purposes need real mounting. Thanks milhouse, gonna go read that. Does that work with the smbbrowser?06:03
milhousedon't know, never used smbbrowser06:03
Xenon3DNKaylaKaze apparently has, but seems to be idle now.06:04
* Xenon3DN pokes KaylaKaze.06:04
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KaylaKazeI was trying to make a new stylus... failed.06:12
Xenon3DNSo, do you use smbbrowser with the smbclient package or the cifs.ko module, or what?06:13
KaylaKazeif you mount a share to a directory that has files with it, will those files still be there when it's unmounted?06:13
KaylaKazeI use the cifs module06:13
Xenon3DNFrom the fanoush page?06:14
KaylaKazebut those provide it and I don't know enough about it to nuke their packages yet keep the cifs access06:14
KaylaKazeno, smbbrowser and smbclient install it06:14
Xenon3DNBut you need both those packages to get that working, right?06:14
KaylaKazeI think so06:14
KaylaKazeI haven't tried just smbbrowser06:15
KaylaKazeI know just smbclient won't do it06:15
Xenon3DNI'll go try it. What kind of files have you accessed over SMB?06:15
KaylaKazebut it's smbbrowser that puts the cifs module in06:15
KaylaKazemp3s, pictures, pdfs06:15
Xenon3DNAre you able to play mp3s over smb, or just copy them to local storage?06:16
KaylaKazeand I used it to work on some web code on my windows pc and I was able to save it to the shared directory and just cp it from there to my var/www directory06:16
KaylaKazeI can play them but they pause for about half a second every couple of seconds in the default music player06:17
Xenon3DNBummer. Have you tried something like mplayer?06:17
KaylaKazethis Xournal kicks ass. That's why I needed a more comfy stylus06:17
KaylaKazeyeah, but mplayer killed my system06:17
KaylaKazewhen trying to play video06:18
KaylaKazeand I don't know how to use it enough to play audio06:18
KaylaKazethe GUI on it is horrid and I couldn't find the command line to play it (mplayer didn't seem to work)06:18
KaylaKazeI didn't try too hard though06:18
jga23I've created a python app for my n800 and I want to create a shortcut to it, where do I place the .desktop file?06:18
Xenon3DNI'd love to find a way to make the N770 sort of a squeezebox.06:19
KaylaKazeI installed a UPnP program on my PC to stream stuff but it erased my c:\ directory. It does work well though for streaming.06:19
pupnik_there's a front end for mythtv btw06:19
pupnik_watch tv on your 77006:19
Xenon3DNI see the fanoush page refers to two different IT2006 releases. How do I tell which one I have?06:21
Xenon3DNI can't seem to install smbbrowser because it's complaining that the smbfs package is missing. But that's the package I haven't been able to locate.06:25
KaylaKazehehehe the "control panel->memory" is counting my shares as using space so it says I have over 40GB of files on the 77006:25
KaylaKazeit's on one of the repositoryies...06:26
KaylaKaze I only have 3 megs free :-(06:26
Xenon3DNIt's supposed to be on maemo-hackers according to the smbbrowser page:06:27
Xenon3DNBut once you go there I can't find it:06:27
KaylaKazewell, get it there then. That's a good repositiory to have in the first place06:27
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KaylaKazeI need to write an image viewer :-(06:29
Xenon3DNI have mistral main in my Catalog list, but it's not showing me the smbfs package. Am I doing soemthing stupid here?06:29
KaylaKazeI guess not then. They must not have it06:29
Xenon3DNThat's where you got it?06:29
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KaylaKazetry mistral user06:30
KaylaKazehmmm.. maybe not there.06:31
KaylaKazeI'm going through my repository list. I know it's one of the repositories at the top06:31
Xenon3DNI couldn't connect to that repo at all.06:31
Xenon3DNI can't imagine why it would be gone from maemo-hackers, everything seem to indicate it's supposed to be hosted there.06:32
KaylaKazeit is06:34
Xenon3DNOk, then I must be doing something stupid.06:34
KaylaKazedo you have " mistral main" in your appman?06:35
KaylaKaze(making sure you had main and not user for components)06:35
Xenon3DNYeah, I have exactly that (main).06:36
KaylaKazeweird. Well, I guess you can just get the debs from there if appman won't show it06:36
Xenon3DNI can probably fetch that deb with the browser and have application manager open and install it, even though I can't see it in the packages list.06:36
Xenon3DNYeah, that. ;)06:36
Xenon3DNJust wish I had a clue what was wrong so I understood how to do it right in the future.06:36
KaylaKazeboth of these sookuo programs suck06:37
KaylaKazeI don't know why I spelled it so weird06:37
KaylaKazebut since it wasn't close, I'm guessing my fingers just missed everything :-)06:37
KaylaKazeI should see if there's a javascript sudoku06:38
KaylaKazehere's one... but I don't like it06:38
Xenon3DNI'm a recovering sudoku fan. I looked over the edge, and stepped back.06:39
Xenon3DN"Unable to install. Incompatible package" WTF?06:39
KaylaKazeuse dpkg 0i to isntall it then06:40
KaylaKazeuse dpkg -i to isntall it then*06:40
KaylaKazebut that's weird06:40
Xenon3DNI'm wondering if it's telling me something I should be listening to.06:40
KaylaKazeI'm wondering why it's not showing up in your appman06:41
Xenon3DNSo, there's multiple version of the 2006 OS? Could I have an older incompatible version?06:41
KaylaKazeare you sure you're selecting to show all packages and that hackers is enabled?06:41
KaylaKazeyou could06:41
KaylaKazebut not likely06:41
Xenon3DNLet me re-check the repos in the list.06:42
Xenon3DNITOS2006: 3.2006.49-2. That mean anything to anyone here?06:42
KaylaKazeWhat's the default lock code?06:42
KaylaKazethat's the current one06:42
Xenon3DNI don't know what a lock code is or where to find it.06:43
KaylaKazesorry, I meant that as an open question to the room06:43
Xenon3DNOk, I haven't messed with a shell on this yet. Do I need to install something to get a shell?06:48
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Xenon3DNOk, now I apparently need to become root, right?06:58
jga23anybody have any experience with creating .desktop files for python apps?07:00
KaylaKazeI find it easier to ssh in from my desktop for mounting07:02
Xenon3DNI mean, I need to become root on the 770 in order to execute the dpkg -i, correct?07:03
KaylaKazeI just installed Fuppes. seems to be doing a good job of audio streaming07:03
Xenon3DNI see some people using SlimServer as well. Investigating that myself.07:04
KaylaKazeI installed SimpleClient last night but I don't like it. PLus it erased my c:\07:05
Xenon3DNFuppes looks very nice though. You're using it with Canola?07:05
Xenon3DNSimpleClient is...?07:05
KaylaKazeI tried it with canola and now I'm trying it with Media Streamer07:05
KaylaKazesorry, my brains is screwed up. It's SimpleCast07:06
KaylaKazeCanola doesn't do playlisting, does it?07:06
KaylaKazeit'd be cool if I could connect to the UPnP over the net07:07
Xenon3DNI haven't tried it, I just see it listed on the Fuppes web page.07:07
KaylaKazelike, when I'm not home07:07
KaylaKazeI suppose, if you wanted to stream audio remotely, you could set up winamp to output shoutcast and use a web interface to winamp07:09
KaylaKazefuppes does video too07:09
* cesman highly recommends fuppes07:11
KaylaKazeI just had Fuppes crash on me :-(07:12
KaylaKazeooo! A filebrowser!07:14
Dr_Nunimany good?07:16
KaylaKazeabout to try it07:17
cesmangot a link to canoe?07:17
KaylaKazewell, it looks likr it does what it's supposed to07:18
KaylaKazeit's on the maemo->downloads->Desktop page07:18
cesmanfound it07:18
pupnik_oww my pc won't run crysis07:19
KaylaKazeI wonder if I could safely delete my themes other than the one I'm using07:21
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KaylaKazeooooo! Puchi sounds cool... but stotage intensive07:28
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Xenon3DNIs there a real SIP phone that works with arbitrary Asterisk servers? I get the impression Gizmo doesn't.07:30
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omnixi was able to get Gizmo to work my asterisk server07:35
Xenon3DNReally? Cool. Did it work well?07:35
omnixi don't think it was a true sip client07:36
omnixit seemed like i would connect to gizmo and from gizmo, it would connect to my asterisk07:36
omnixinstead of going from 770/800 to my asterisk directly07:37
Xenon3DNHmm. That seems hoopty. So, you need an account with them?07:37
omnixyeah.  it's free though07:37
KaylaKazeI should make a Shining Force style game for 77007:37
omnixhow do I reboot the 770?07:38
omnixi'm a rhel/fedora/centos guy.07:38
GeneralAntillesTurn it off and turn it back on?07:38
KaylaKazethe easiest way to reboot is to type "reboot" in the shell if you have root07:39
omnixyeah i'm ssh'd in07:39
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Xenon3DNHey Kayla, I had to wget and dpkg the smbfs, but now smbbrowser works. Thanks!07:43
KaylaKazeI never really got smbbrowser working :-)07:44
KaylaKazeI just made a script and mount them by hand :-)07:44
Xenon3DNYou're more hardcore than me, I'm not there yet.07:44
KaylaKazeI wonder if "Battle for Wesnoth" could be ported...07:44
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Xenon3DNWonder if Canola has a configurable buffersize. I'dsure like to play mp3s straight off my shared filesystem.07:48
k-s[AWAY]Xenon3DN: no, it doesn't07:49
k-s[AWAY]Xenon3DN: actually, canola uses osso media server to play them07:49
k-s[AWAY]it's not even the same process07:49
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Xenon3DNHOw about mplayer?07:50
k-sXenon3DN: you can get our mplayer plugin07:50
k-sXenon3DN: then you set ~/.mplayer/config with your desired cache07:51
k-sthat should work fine07:51
KaylaKazeif you want to stream music, the best way is with Canola or Media Streamer and a UPnP server like Fuppes (probably)07:51
Xenon3DNTell me more. Plugin for what?07:51
Xenon3DNKayla: I'll probably go that way eventually, but if I can just play a few MP3s for now, it would be nice.07:51
k-sXenon3DN: we have a plugin to use mplayer as underneath media player07:51
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Xenon3DNWhere can I find the plugin?07:52
k-sXenon3DN: and yes, KaylaKaze solution is the "expected" and supported one07:52
k-sXenon3DN: let me search07:52
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Xenon3DNI see mplayer does OGG too, I would like to ditch OGGPlayer, as I wasn't impressed by it.07:52
KaylaKazeexpected? It's just the one I find to be best as I have problems trying to play them off the share directly07:53
KaylaKazebut I wasn't using mplayer07:53
KaylaKazeI've only got 5M free...07:54
Xenon3DNI seem to have a lot more free, on a stock N770. Do you have a ton of stuff installed? Or lots of media?07:54
KaylaKazepython, mimo, my theme and smb stuff take a good chunk07:55
KaylaKazeI have no media on it07:55
k-sXenon3DN: ah, mplayer plugin is in our repository, but you need to add "experimental" component...07:56
Xenon3DNOk. What repository is this?07:56
KaylaKazethat space thing was why I wanted to nuke my themes07:57
k-sdistribution: bora07:57
k-scomponent: user experimental07:57
Xenon3DNI'm not up on all the distribution stuff -- this is going to work on a N770/ITOS2006?07:57
k-sXenon3DN: not this repo, you should use
Xenon3DNand 770 in the distribution field too, then?08:01
Xenon3DNlooks like it should be mistral08:04
* Dr_Nunim gets his 2gb card today.08:04
KaylaKazeis there a command to see how much space a directory takes up, with optional recursion info?08:05
Xenon3DNk-s: So, which packages exactly do I need? Canola plus canola-mplayer? Do I need mplayer itself from somewhere else, or is it in the mplayer plugin?08:05
Xenon3DNKaylaKaze: du normally, but not sure if it's included.08:06
k-sXenon3DN: this package pull them all08:06
Xenon3DNKaylaKaze: Is du included then?08:06
KaylaKazenow if I just new how to use it...08:06
Xenon3DNdu <directoryname>08:06
KaylaKazethen maybe it's a different type of du then08:07
KaylaKaze'cause this isn't giving me any filesizes08:07
Xenon3DNdu -h <dir>08:08
KaylaKazeah, ok08:08
KaylaKazeI was acctually experimenting with the options and found it08:08
Xenon3DN-h: Human-readable. ;)08:08
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KaylaKazeis there a way to make it add all those together?08:09
Xenon3DN-s ?08:10
KaylaKazeah, thanks08:10
KaylaKazeactually, I get what I want with -ashL08:10
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KaylaKazeI think I'm gonna move most of my themes to my pc and see what happens08:12
Xenon3DNk-s: I have installed the canola and canola-mplayer packages. Now I should have mplayer support in the Media Player?08:15
k-sXenon3DN: you should check the web-ui and enable this plugin08:15
KaylaKazeoh good. It's not breakign anything. Those themes just don't show up in the chooser08:15
Xenon3DNNot sure what web-ui you're referring to. Something in Media Player?08:16
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Dr_NunimI'm not sure which mail client to use08:23
Dr_NunimClaws-mail is a little faster as well as easier to customize/more options.08:23
Dr_Nunimbut the inbuilt one looks a bit nicer08:23
Dr_Nunimand slightly better orginization08:23
KaylaKazemoving the city maps I had stored over to the MC. That'll free up some room08:23
KaylaKazeor would have... except it 'caused my system to reboot instead.08:24
Xenon3DNk-s: Can you clarify what I need to do to make the mplayer plugin work inside Media Player?08:24
k-sXenon3DN: there is a "Configure Canola" on maemo menu08:25
Xenon3DNI see it, yes.08:25
Xenon3DNIt's complaining about Javascript not being enabled in my browser. I'm using the built-in browser. Is that ok?08:26
Xenon3DNAh. I see...08:27
Dr_Nunimturn on javascript would be a start :o08:27
Xenon3DNHad to scroll down to see the steps.08:27
KaylaKazegreat... now my system freezes when I go into file manager08:28
Xenon3DNYou borked it. ;)08:28
omnixwhat are some tips to improve overall performance of the 770?08:28
KaylaKazeI wish I could get this thing to autoconnect to my wifi on startup08:29
omnixit's a little slow for my tastes08:29
Xenon3DNk-s: Ok, in the plugins page of the web configure UI, I see IRadio, Photocast and Podcast. Am I missing something?08:33
k-sXenon3DN: let me check, I have not wrote that and it was a long time since I've checked08:34
k-smaybe you have a configure-something for that (package to be installed)08:34
omnixis there a way to add more applets to HOME?08:38
k-sXenon3DN: canola-mplayer-plugin-configure-mplayer   but seems you have to install that from xterm08:38
k-sI'm not sure, just looked at package on website08:38
k-somnix: yes, just click the menu at top and check it there08:39
k-sXenon3DN: sorry, I misinterpreted it.. it should be installed and enabled when you access "configure canola"08:41
KaylaKazemplayer video is kinda slow...08:41
k-spossible you need to restart your 77008:41
Xenon3DNOk. A "reboot" from the shell, or what's the best way to restart?08:41
k-sdo it with the battery cable disconnected08:41
k-sXenon3DN: if you have xterm, just "killall -9 canola-conf08:42
k-sand it will do it08:42
Dr_NunimUK tube works decently.08:43
Dr_Nunimshame mplayer has such issues.08:43
Xenon3DNOK, did the killall. Do I need to restart Canola now or something?08:43
k-sXenon3DN: no, when you click the menu it should use DBus activation to start web server before starting the browser08:44
KaylaKazemplayer seems to play over share well08:44
KaylaKazea nice gui frontend wouldn't hurt though08:45
Xenon3DNKaylaKaze: Hence, why I want the MediaPlayer integration to work.08:46
KaylaKazeI still don't get it. Canola works fine without needing mplayer08:46
KaylaKazethe problem with Canola is it doesn't allow access to all your files08:47
Xenon3DNOk, after the canola-conf restart, I see the "Use MPlayer as canola default media player" checkbox and I have set it.08:47
k-sXenon3DN: ok, so start a new canola08:47
Xenon3DNNow what?08:48
Dr_NunimHow's canola player in comparison?08:48
KaylaKazecomparison to mplayer?08:48
KaylaKazeI don't know if you really can compare :-) I've never used Canola with local media, just UPnP so I can't say08:49
KaylaKazebut controlling mplayer sucks08:49
Dr_Nunimmplayer seems to have decent video support.08:49
Xenon3DNk-s: I have Canola running -- so how do I get it to play files?08:49
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KaylaKazeXenon3DN: That's the problem I was talking about08:50
k-sXenon3DN: well... it should show your files, either under "Local" or shared...08:50
KaylaKazebut I can send an mplayer command from my ssh on my pc and the 770 will just sit here playing away while I do outher stuff. That's kinda nice08:52
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KaylaKazeFuppes is apparently broken for me... it crashed again and after restart is showing no files08:53
Xenon3DNk-s: Not sure what "Local" you're referring to. I don't know where to tell it to look for my files.08:56
k-sXenon3DN: canola have 3 main categories (big icons): Audio, Video, Picture08:57
Dr_Nunim maybe ?/media/mmc108:57
Xenon3DNRight. I'm on "Audio" now.08:57
k-sXenon3DN: under each one, you have where media is, like Local, Shared, ...08:57
k-sif data is on your MMC, then it will be on "local"08:57
k-sif it's on UPnP or DAAP, it will be under "Shared"08:58
KaylaKazebut if it's on a mounted share, it won't show at all08:58
Xenon3DNI have "Audio Library", Shared Audio, "Podcast" and "IRadio Stations". My media is on a mounted share. Not sure how to tell it how to look there.08:58
k-s(however daap just work with regular player, mplayer for 770 doesn't support it)08:58
k-sXenon3DN: you just have to add your mount point to be scanned, then it will show as "Local"08:58
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Xenon3DNOk. Do I do that from the "Config" tool?08:59
k-sjust use "Configure Canola" tool08:59
Xenon3DNok. looking...08:59
k-syes, from Media Library08:59
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k-sjust navigate on left, click the green right arrow08:59
Xenon3DNThanks for your patience. Getting closer...08:59
k-sXenon3DN: worked?09:03
Xenon3DNstill navigating...09:03
Xenon3DNNot sure where smbbrowser mounted my share, actually...09:04
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KaylaKazeit'd be mounted under MyDocs09:04
Xenon3DNKaylaKaze: Thx.09:05
Xenon3DNWHat's the full filesystem path to that? I'm a n00b.09:05
KaylaKazeI'm having trouble typing it :-)09:08
KaylaKazejhasdfjk /home/user/MyDocs09:08
KaylaKaze(had to put some dummy chars in front of /)09:08
Xenon3DNTHx. Silly IRC and its /commands.09:09
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Xenon3DNSTILL trying to get this set up. Bear with me.09:11
KaylaKazethey need to add address lookup options to maemo mapper09:13
KaylaKazethough I suppose you can do that in the browser and copy the long/lat09:14
Xenon3DNHow do I determine my DHCP IP address?09:15
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Xenon3DNFOund it.09:16
Xenon3DNConnection manager, menus.09:16
KaylaKazeconnection manager?09:17
k-sguys, time to sleep09:17
KaylaKazeoh, the IP09:17
Xenon3DNUnder Tools from the main menus.09:17
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Xenon3DNThanks for your help, k-s. I'll get this working yet.09:17
KaylaKazeI thought you were still looking for canola config09:17
Xenon3DNI am, sorta. I'm trying to use another browser to access it, since it's really slow on the builtin browser.09:18
KaylaKazeI just set my router to give it a static IP of 7709:18
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Xenon3DNCrap. My browser won't run now, just exits on startup.09:25
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EnokI compile program on pc using scratchbox with armel sdk rootstrap and qemu, but when I move the compiled program file to N800 and try to run it I get "Permission denied"10:12
EnokIt has +x permissions and tried both as user and as super user10:13
EnokAny suggestions what might be the problem10:13
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inzEnok, you're trying to run in from mmc, which is mounted noexec10:14
EnokOk thanks10:15
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komarovwhere in the scratchbox is the file with dns settings?10:26
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dpb_the same place as every other linux.. /etc/resolv.conf10:27
melmothactually, there is another place :)10:28
melmothin the _host_ machine, /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf10:28
melmothand /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf10:28
komarovyeah, I've just copied the DNS IPs from there to here10:29
melmotha usual problem is  /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf uses mdsn for host name resolving10:29
komarovI can't make it resolve when execing 'apt-get update'10:30
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melmothbe sure  /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf  in the hosts machine, not scratchbox, mention dns and not mdns10:31
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komarovI have everywhere:10:33
komarovhosts: files dns10:33
komarovI successfully ping it from the host, but ping doesn't exist inside scratchbox10:34
komarovmaybe I should reboot?10:34
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komarovdidn't help10:42
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melmothkoen, double check that stfuff in scratchbox (/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf) are the same as : in the hosting machine /etc/resolv.conf , and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf10:53
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cy-no firmware update yet eh11:05
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JaffaMorning, all11:08
cy-sup Jaffa11:09
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floriangood morning11:25
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jsmanriqueflorian: good morning11:25
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X-FadeLooks interesting..11:48
cy-I just want new firmware :(11:54
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lardmanDoes anyone know why the ARM asm in the kernel appears to be written in Intel syntax rather than the (supposed) default AT&T syntax?12:13
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pellowhat's the difference with bora and mistral ?12:17
pellois that like stable and testing under debian ?12:17
cy-pello: I believe bora and mistral are release revisions of maemo12:17
pelloall my packages previsouly installed are bora12:18
pellocan i install a package from a mistral repo ?12:18
cy-On the n800 you should be able to12:18
pello(i have my n800 from this morning sorry for dumb questions)12:18
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pellosalut obergix[work]12:24
pellocy- thx12:24
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pupnik_People who install mistral onto N800 serve up to 5 years in prison.12:30
pellodumb ass12:31
cy-wtf?  heh12:31
pupnik_I am using that as an example for how advertising misleads us with the phrase "up to"12:31
pupnik_People who install mistral onto N800 serve 0 - 5 years in prison.12:31
pupnik_up to really means "less than"12:32
pupnik_or "less than or equal-to"12:32
pupnik_Anyway... the n800 uses 'Bora'12:33
* pello discover red pill12:34
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pellopupnik_, what the deal with bora and mistral ?12:34
pupnik_mistral is the latest official release for the 770, unless I am out-of-date12:34
pupnik_there is an unofficial IT2007 "Hacker Edition" for the 770 that is based on Bora12:35
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AD-N770good morning12:40
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sureshkumar435hi all, can anyone help me in creating folders using tinymail12:57
pupnik_how can i type onto a pdf?  openoffice?13:00      Open, edit, type on, save, fill in forms & print PDF files for $4913:01
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pupnik_ah pdfedit can do it13:09
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guardianmy touchscreen is completely scrachted on the handwriting recognition area13:25
guardiando you also experience this ?13:25
X-Fadeguardian: Is the protective film still on your screen?13:26
MoRpHeUzguardian: does it still have that "default screen protection" ?13:26
MoRpHeUzX-Fade: =)13:26
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guardianor there is a protective film ? :D13:26
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guardianah now that you say it indeed13:27
guardianbut it's very close to the edges13:27
guardiandid not notice it13:27
MoRpHeUzguardian: if you take a close look you'll se that...mainly on the vorders13:27
guardianshould i remove it ?13:27
X-Fadeguardian: That is up to you ;)13:27
guardianwas there such a film on the 770 ?13:28
X-FadeThe real touchscreen is harder to scratch than this film..13:28
guardiani don't have mine here13:28
X-Fadeguardian: Yes, but is wasn't that good..13:28
X-FadeSo you probably removed it first thing..13:28
MoRpHeUzX-Fade: btw, how do you get this film off ? I's hard to find a way of doing that without damaging the screen =/13:29
X-FadeMoRpHeUz: Grow long nails ;)13:30
MoRpHeUzhehehe =D13:30
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unique311removing osx86 from my one of my notebooks, and installing linux......going with ubuntu, unless anyone has another alternative they can recommend13:50
osfameronubuntu works for me13:50
unique311same here...13:52
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unique311ever tried anything besides ubuntu..13:53
unique311gentoo is amazing, but the compile time sucks..13:54
MoRpHeUzunique311: kubuntu =) the same way but with kde =)13:55
unique311not a big fan of kde13:56
unique311ok, so ubuntu it is...thNKS13:58
osfamerongentoo sounds nice.  So does suse. And Debian.  On the other hand, I hates computers, and the less time I have to spend wrangling with them the better :-)14:03
unique311hate computers///14:04
unique311exact opposite14:04
gla55_I have a bro who uses gentoo...  but.. he switched to it from slackware14:04
unique311love em14:04
osfameronoh, I couldn't live without a computer, and many things about them give me lots of pleasure14:05
osfameronbut installing different distros and messign about with them isn't one of them... :-)14:05
unique311i just played a SDL game called neverball14:10
unique311by moving around my thinkpad14:10
gla55_neverball is fun14:11
unique311think thinkpad has a motion sensor feature.14:11
gla55_it does14:11
unique311it was fun..14:11
gla55_macbooks too iirc..14:11
unique311but it gets heavy after a couple of minutes moving the danm thing around.14:12
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komarov /j #moscow14:50
komarovoops, sorry14:50
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ericzanyone here use the 'knock' port for the 770?15:04
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janihas anyone had any problems with textfields not accepting any input ?15:15
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suihkulokkijani: I guess the virtual keyboard process has died..15:16
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janidoesnt look like that. i can switch to next input field and input works there just fine, switch back to previous and nothing but backspace15:17
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janiits only one field thats causing the problem and seemingly both text fields are generated by same type of code ..15:22
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ericz:( Unable to install. Package is incompatible with current software! all i want is telnet, how hard of a port is that to run, it's like 3 the most basic app ever15:34
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ericzanybody know of a *working* port of sendip/telnet for os 2006 on the 770?15:42
janidunno, but there was just announcement in maemo devel list that netcat is ported to maemo platform, you could use that as telnet. i dont remember if it was for 770 thou =(15:44
ericzthat would work..15:44
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ericzi just want to port knock, the "knock" client i found is like15:44
ericzcustomized for some 'doorman' daemon15:44
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janiannouncement game like 1,5 hours ago =)15:45
janiemr.. came15:47
ericzRelase 3.X15:48
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ericzmeans os 2007, doesn't it?15:48
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ericzi can't believe i can't find a working telnet/sendip/netcat port for 200615:51
ericzi must be stupid.15:51
guardiancan someone please recall me the command used to list the entry points of some library15:51
mgedminor, more likely, it doesn't exist15:51
ericzwhy wouldn't it exist, telnte can't be one of the more difficult programs to port15:52
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Tonirequest for netcat I'd understand, but telnet..15:56
ericzheh, telnet/sendip/netcat, something15:57
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janibtw, is telnet supposed to be compiled into busybox ?15:58
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Synt1hi there16:00
Synt1does somebody know where i can find the sourcecode to the programm `play-sound' wich is on the device (n800)16:01
Synt1it's a bit strange: a few wave files are played every time i call `play-sound file.wav'16:01
Synt1others are played one or two times16:02
Synt1before it won't play them anymore16:02
Synt1and why don't i hear anything when i `cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp' ???16:03
inzbecause it doesn't use oss?16:04
Synt1so, what to do?16:05
Synt1why doesn't play-sound work all the time?16:05
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Synt1(thanks inz for answering, already thought i'm a soliloquist)16:05
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eugenehow can i capture screenshots on my n800?16:08
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mgedminthere's an app you can apt-get install, osso-screenshot-tool iirc16:10
Synt1eugene: by pressing the print button *fg*16:10
Synt1just kidding...: osso-screenshot-tool16:10
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eugeneSynt1: hehehehe16:11
eugeneSynt1: trying to find that app :)16:12
inzOr mh-shot-tool ;)16:12
inzmh-shot-tool can upload your screenshots to flickr!16:12
eugenemgedmin: inz: thanks!16:12
mgedminyeah, osso-screenshot-tool is a cmdline app16:13
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mgedminnot very convenient unless you have some cpu applet that can launch it, or have a convenient laptop so you can ssh into your nokia16:13
Synt1mgedmin: tip: try `apt-cache search keyword'16:13
konttorijani, ericz: what announcement?16:13
* mgedmin wonders why Synt1 gave him the tip16:14
* mgedmin notices the iirc in his answer16:14
inzmgedmin, maybe he's the official tip-of-the-day'er16:14
ericzdevelopment of netcat or something16:14
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mgedmincan I exchange my tip to some other tip?16:14
mgedminI'd like a green one, please...16:14
Synt1mgedmin: `apt-cache search screenshot' returns the osso-screenshot-tool16:14
inzmgedmin, that would be like exchanging fortune cookies16:14
* mgedmin redirects Synt1's suggestions to eugene16:15
eugeneah the camera app is useful but not too good to take photos at night16:15
Synt1mgedmin: oh... f***16:15
konttoriericz: is that newsworthy?16:15
ericzno, i was asking about netcat/telnet, he was telling me about some development release coming out16:16
konttoriahh... ok16:16
Synt1so does somebody know about the play-sound problem??16:16
eugenebtw where are you guys based in?16:16
guardiani need help please, i'm trying to create a library that uses some code that is already in a static library foo.a . i'm using automake and i added foo.a to libbar_LIBADD clause. however when invoking objdump on libbar, it says libfoo.a: file format not recognized16:16
guardianso basically , is this possible to embed code that is already compiled in a .a into a .so shared library and how ?16:17
eugeneah, i'm trying to backport a kernel patch for 2.6.18 (assuming this is the latest kernel). is it possible to test the kernel with the simulator first, before the real thing? and if it failed to boot, can reflashing RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin help?16:17
inzeugene, scratchbox doesn't emulate the whole OS, so you cannot test kernel there16:18
inzeugene, and yes, reflashing flashes the kernel too, so it should work16:19
eugenewierd. i installed the fm radio app, and i can't find it in the menu16:19
zuheugene: You can run './flasher -k kernel -b' to boot the kernel without flashing it16:19
Synt1how can i simply play a wav file from the command line when `cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp' doesnt work and `play-sound sound.wav' only works sometimes??16:20
eugenezuh: so i can test it without risking it have any permanent effect?16:20
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zuhHmm, at least that's what I thought that dird16:23
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eugeneso much things to learn. so much things to play :)16:24
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eugeneinz: ah, mh-shot-tool is written by u :)16:28
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inzeugene, it is? I hadn't noticed...16:28
eugeneoh i read wrongly :)16:28
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ttuttleIs a trustworthy mail provider?16:30
ericzso is ncurses-base, and osso-xterm, and maemo-gaim, looks like inz is awesome :P16:31
eugenehehe. n800 is neat, especially with the fm player.16:32
inzericz, mh-shot-tool is actually the only one of those I've written16:33
janisuihkulokki: multiple calls to hildon_gtk_entry_set_input_mode fucked up the input =(16:33
inzericz, ncurses-base I've packaged and xterm/gaim I've modified a bit16:33
eugeneinz: ah, yes it's you isn't it :)16:33
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eugenezuh: i will try that and see how it goes. thanks.16:36
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eugenebtw where's nice themes i can browse? any good links?16:36
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zuhThere's not that many themes around. <- there's few, google finds probably few more and then there's my favourite on garage:
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zuhHmm, there's few others too on garage (search for 'theme')16:40
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janii was going true some theming sites over last week and i noticed that some of stock apps doesnt work well with themes16:41
ericzclaws-mail interface is just hard to use, period with the virtual keyboard16:42
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eugeneworks great!16:45
ericzi'm using that same theme16:45
eugenetheme-plankton == This project has not released any files.16:48
melmothhola eugene !16:48
eugenemelmoth: hey :)16:49
eugenemelmoth: you use n800 too? :P16:49
Tu13esgf is getting my n770, just ordered an n800 from amazon, should be here tomorrow :P16:49
eugeneTu13es: congrats :D16:49
melmotheugene, yep :)16:49
eugenemelmoth: hacking anything yet? :)16:49
melmotha little bit (
eugenemelmoth: wow16:50
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melmothi also had a look at gstreamer and pygame , to play with sound (to make the sound of rain play in loop)16:50
melmothbut i sort of on this one :)16:51
eugenemelmoth: cool16:51
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eugenemelmoth: you should join engineering :D16:51
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melmothwhen they will be interested in python newbye i'll apply :)16:52
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eugenemelmoth: if you are a python newbie, i am a python idiot :)16:52
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stuaartHello there. I have the exact same problem as thus guy:
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stuaartWondering if anyone knows the solution regarding wlancond-dbus.h and wlancond.h16:54
eugenemelmoth: hopefully i can finish backporting it, and then we can have more fun :)16:54
eugenemelmoth: should be easy.16:54
stuaart(Basically the problem is missing header files for wlan stuff.)16:55
melmotheugene, what are you currently backporting ?16:56
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melmothis it systemtap for maemo ? :)16:56
ttuttleWhat's systemtap?16:57
eugenettuttle: it's an instrumentation tool for profiling purposes16:57
melmothsystem tap is to a kernel what a biopsy is to medecine .16:58
eugeneheh i can't change password for user16:58
melmothHmmm. always worked here.16:59
eugeneah i can change it as a root user16:59
eugenebut not popssible if i change it as a user user16:59
eugenegee. memory consumption is pretty high.17:07
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eugeneinz: do you have script handy?17:35
KaylaKaze:-( supermediastore is having a flash memory sale but they don't have any MMC :-(17:35
lardmanAnyone know about signals?17:43
lardmanspecifically about signal handlers, and what happens when the signal handler returns17:45
lardmaneven more specifically, in this article (, it says that after the handler returns control to the offending thread, some code is popped from the local stack to alter the kernel stack frame17:47
lardmanthe question is, why does it need to alter the kernel stack frame, and could this locally popped code be changed to do something else...17:48
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jga23hey, my n800 is caught in an infinite loop, I read that I should turn off the lifeguard reset...any body know how?17:54
lardmanyou need to use the flasher tool17:54
jga23do they have one for windows? or just linux?17:54
lardmanjust linux afaik17:54
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jga23do you know if it'll work over vmware?17:56
gla55_i'd be skeptical about that. but dunno really if it has some funky usb bridge17:58
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lardmanwhat about that freeware flasher, does that work under Windows and does it do the control messages?17:58
jga23where can I find the windows flasher?17:59
zuhjga23: You could always get a linux live CD, boot that, download the flasher and work from there...17:59
lardmananyone got a link to that free flasher project?17:59
jga23k, I have ubuntu on a vm, I'll try that first, then the live cd18:00
lardmanjga23: There's a mailing list post about using vmware & flasher18:01
lardman> Good for once don’t be too late home! (not that exciting though!)18:03
lardman> Good for once don’t be too late home! (not that exciting though!)18:03
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eugenemy n800 seems to froze18:04
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lardmannot of much use to you, but there is source so it may be possible to port it to Windows18:05
* lardman doesn't know about usb stuff on Windows18:06
eugenehow do u take the battery out? can't seem to be able to take it out ... gee18:06
lardmanflick it18:07
lardmanor rather your wrist18:07
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gomiameugene, it should be easy, you pick at the right end and draw18:08
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gomiamyou need a bit of a nail, of course :-)18:08
eugenegomiam: got it.18:08
eugeneglad i haven't cut my nails :)18:08
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eugenebut my mini-sd card is stucked18:09
eugenei can't take it out. i wish it has springs18:09
gomiamchecking mine...18:09
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gomiamis the slider stuck too?18:09
eugenei am able to see my mini-sd+adpater18:10
eugenejust can't take it out. more like a design issue :/18:10
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gomiammmm... my SD just pops up when the slider is all the way back18:10
eugeneall the way back? hmm18:10
gomiamtry and push it down a couple of times18:10
gomiamyou are talking about the inside SD slot, right?18:11
eugenethe outside one18:11
gomiamah, the outer one then :-)18:11
gomiamthat one has no springs18:11
gomiamyou need to draw it out18:11
eugeneinside one has?18:11
gomiamlooks like it18:11
gomiamthe outer one requires even more nail :-)18:12
eugeneyeah ;(18:12
gomiamactually, the SD card has an engraving for you to "nail it out" ;-)18:12
eugenesomehow it's not there!18:12
eugeneor maybe the one i bought didn't have that...18:13
gomiamit might be that18:13
gomiamwell, try with a cutter or a screwdriver18:13
gomiamit's quite sturdy so it shouldn't suffer much18:13
KaylaKazeneedle nose pliers18:13
eugenenod nod18:14
gomiamKaylaKaze: after cleaning them first, of course ;-D18:14
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KaylaKaze... what do you do with you pliers?18:14
KaylaKazeI mean that you'd need to clean them18:14
gomiammm... nose...18:15
gomiamsomething might get stuck18:15
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eugeneit didnt ask for regional settings and assumed that i'm a british heh18:15
KaylaKazeoh, I get it :-P18:15
KaylaKazeit's GB by default18:15
gomiamit didn't ask?18:15
gomiamthat's surprising18:15
KaylaKazethough it should have asked on initial startup18:16
eugenenod nod18:16
gomiamit asked me when I first started it up (and when I re-flashed it)18:16
eugeneit didnt18:16
eugenei'm going thru it noe18:16
eugenei'm going thru it now18:16
eugenejust reflashed18:16
chrissturmso when is the firmware update going to be released?18:17
gomiamchrissturm: no idea, but blogs seem to be panting for it to come out :-D18:17
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eugenegood night!18:32
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unique311good morning18:33
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stuaartHey, has *anyone* managed to programmatically do wifi scanning with the n800?18:39
stuaartThe wlan driver is locked up, as is the osso-connectivity UI side of things18:39
lardman|afkthere's a garage project, what's that about?18:42
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stuaartlardman: Thanks18:45
suihkulokkistuaart: iwlist scan ?18:46
stuaartUnfortunately iwlist does not reliably replicate what is visible in the UI18:47
stuaartI.e., when you use the UI wifi scanning, funny stuff happens behind-the-scenes which we can't seem to even detect as dbus signals18:47
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wumpuslardman: that only contains a bit of what is needed to build the driver18:52
wumpusI wanted to patch the driver for aircrack/injection to work, but to no avail, that garage project is kind of useless18:54
stuaartBasically we want to do wlan scanning within our own app. The maemo API just doesn't support this it seems.18:54
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lardmanAh, I see19:00
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guardian_how can i install gconf-editor inside scratchbox ?19:30
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Dr_Nunimnew memory card19:50
pupnik_learn to program and port apps19:54
KaylaKazethis is odd. A lot of programs, when passed a parameter from the cmdline, don't open it like they're suppsed to.19:55
KaylaKazeAnd, btw, Opera is VERY good for looking at pages of a comic book. Now I jsut need to right a webpage script for browsing them better19:56
Dr_NunimWow it really did not like me trying to do apt-get update without an internet connection19:58
KaylaKazeone thing cool though is you can use opera as a file browser20:00
KaylaKazeif you open a directory like file://localhost20:00
Xenon3DNKayla: Neat!20:01
KaylaKazethe only problem is it doesn't open fiels right. It sends file://localhost to the opening program so the opening program can't find the file... but if it's a file Opera can open (like a graphic) it will20:02
Dr_Nunimwow wtf20:02
Dr_Nunimwhy is my apt-get going in Bytes per second20:03 is slowwwwwwww20:03
KaylaKazeand if you set Opera for "optimized view" mofe, it does GREAT with comic book pages20:03
Dr_Nunimor the cat sleeping on my wifi is affecting the speed greatly20:04
Xenon3DNCats are a great faraday cage at 2.4-5GHz.20:04
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Dr_Nunimunmount not found20:07
KaylaKazeis there a way to run a GUI program from the shell and have it immediately give you your prompt back?20:07
KaylaKazeit's umount20:07
Dr_NunimI need my coffee20:07
Xenon3DNKayla: <command> &20:07
KaylaKazeOpera displaying a comic book page in fullscreen optimized view mode
ericzwhat'd you use to take the screenshot20:12
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KaylaKazegrrr! Why won't opera open a file from cmndline! grrr20:13
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Dr_NunimGeeze, booting of mmc takes a while to setup.20:16
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KaylaKazegrrr... I can't get php to extract a file from a rar directly to the stdout20:24
KaylaKaze... or maybe the problem is it's not extracting the file at all. Weird20:25
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sandeenhey, is there any concensus on the best graphical email client for a 770?  :)20:32
pupnik_voting on a mail client for nokia is like voting for president of the USA20:34
KaylaKaze... this thing is saying the extract is successful, but I can't find the file. WTF!?20:34
sandeenok, that's about what I expected ;-)20:35
Xenon3DNOk, how do I copy & paste within an edit field? I can't seem to get the menu key to open a menu for copy/paste operations.20:35
bilboedpupnik_, recount included ?20:35
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melmothXenon3DN, keeping the stylus pressed a couple of second should open a contextual menu20:36
melmothif your lucky, there s a 'copy' item20:36
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pupnik_oki am recount what happy not is it tyrranny time?20:43
pupnik_going for friendly exclusion as never finding!20:43
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KaylaKazeholy crap! I jsut realized that DND sheet thing I made is, with only a few slight modifications, a full online spreadsheet system!20:47
pupnik_ i t ' s   i n    m y    b r a i n   n o w20:47
pupnik_ h e l t e r   s k e l t e r20:47
KaylaKazeamong other things20:47
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pupnik_ "If you ask no questions, then beware of lies" - Meat Beat Manifesto20:58
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Dr_Nunimwith dropbear whats the root pw?21:07
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ericzyeah, should be21:08
Dr_NunimSure is taking awhile to install.21:09
Dr_NunimSSH makes this so much easier.21:11
ericzeasier to get root, and to type!21:12
suihkulokkips. remember to change the root pw if you install ssh21:12
Dr_Nunimtakes forever21:12
Dr_NunimI know.21:13
Dr_Nunimrootme isn't exactly safe :)21:13
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Dr_Nunimalthough I'm really not that woried about it21:15
Dr_NunimWhos going to hack it?21:15
Dr_NunimThe cat whos blocking my wifi? I'd like to see her try!21:15
ericzreally.. besides, predictive text remembers it for you..21:15
trevarthanI'm writing a ukmp workalike (uses python, pygame, mplayer, a2dpd, and gobject, among other things). It works, but after a certain (unpredictable) amount of time the application completely locks up. I can still switch tasks, but if I try to run `ps` my shell hangs (no CTRL+c, CTRL+z will fix it). At that point I pretty much have to reboot because I can no longer do process management. Anyone have any idea what might be causing that?21:16
konttoritrevarthan: what kind of stuff are you working on then?21:17
konttoriLast time we talked you were converting ukmp to use mplayer21:17
konttoriAnd you managed to get it working at some point as well21:17
konttoriSo, did you start a new project after that from scratch?21:17
trevarthanYeah, that's basically what it is, but it's a complete rewrite from scratch. The only thing I kept was the spirit of the thing and the theme, and the theme will be changing a bit in the near future.21:18
trevarthanIt works perfectly right until the point it locks up. :)21:18
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trevarthanI can switch on the fly between A2DP and speakers with the press of a button. It's pretty cool.21:19
konttorigreat stuff! congrats!21:19
trevarthanIf anyone wants to play with it then I'll be happy to make a pre-alpha tar.gz available. It's all GPL of course.21:20
Dr_Nunimbefore I did this file system clone it would have been a good idea to do a fresh flash.21:20
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trevarthanOne thing you might like, konttori, is I made an album image cache. I noticed that most of my startup time was spent loading and convert()'ing images, so I build a large image when I scan the ID3 tags and then I use that image from then on until the next scan.21:22
konttoritrevarthan: a screenshot would be nice!21:22
konttoriI've been considering that as well21:22
konttorihow much did it speedup?21:23
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trevarthanIt works quite well. Brought my startup down from about 13 seconds to maybe 5?21:23
konttoriI expected as much21:23
trevarthanI've got a large MP3 library, so I sort of had to do it to ease development.21:23
trevarthanHow about a tar.gz?
trevarthanunpack it, `cd ukmp.dist; ./; ./`21:29
sandeenhow about this; is there any decent SIP client for a 770?  (that's not tied to gizmo or gtalk or ....)21:29
trevarthansandeen: have you tried shtoom? It's a python sip phone. might work. I've been meaning to give it a try myself.21:30
sandeentrevarthan, haven't tried it, never heard of it ;-)  I'll see what I can find, thanks21:30
trevarthansandeen: rule of thumb for the maemo platform: If it doesn't exist in the garage, look for a python solution. :)21:30
sandeenhehe ok :)21:31
sandeeni was disappointed to see that none of the commonly-available VoIP clients were "generic" sip clients :(21:31
trevarthanI think that is because most C/C++ SIP libraries are a pain in the rear to compile.21:31
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trevarthanAsk me how I know? :)21:32
sandeenwell i've had my 770 for < 24 hrs so have a ways to go to find my way through all this stuff :)21:32
sandeen    *21:32
sandeen          o Release 0.3 Real Soon Now.21:32
sandeen          o Release 0.2 22nd March 200421:32
Dr_Nunimerm fuck21:32
trevarthaninstall svn on your 770 and check it out from svn.21:33
Dr_Nunimhow do I get it to go to usb mode when i've installed a new boot menu21:33
Dr_Nunimit goes usb for like 2 seconds then tries to boot21:33
Dr_Nunimahh the charger21:34
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konttoritrevarthan: I'll try to test it soon21:38
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guardianevening #maemo21:39
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trevarthankonttori: It's lacking the album view. It's using a list view instead right now. I intend to allow the user to switch between the two in the near future. It also requires the user to move the selection between two horizontal bars right now. I intend to make that a tap in the near future instead of a required drag.21:41
konttoriall right. sounds interesting!21:41
trevarthanLots of spit and polish missing too. I'm still catching up to your feature set. :)21:41
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konttoritrevarthan: I was unable to open the ukmp.dist package.22:00
konttoriahh.. now it worked22:00
konttori  File "./", line 2922:01
konttori    class DB():22:01
konttori             ^22:01
konttoriSyntaxError: invalid syntax22:01
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KaylaKazeI was sitting here, unable to figure out why this page wouldn't work on Opera...22:03
KaylaKazethen, I happened to hit settings, and turns out Opera had turned my JS off again22:03
KaylaKazebut check this out at an early version of my cb reader
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Dr_Nunimits a png so wat?22:07
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KaylaKazeit extracts the file from the cbr and displays it to the web browser (and it has Next and Prev links to make navigating a CB easier)22:08
KaylaKazeand when it's done, it'll know how many pages are in a CB, have links to the next and prev volumes and have a book selector22:09
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Dr_Nunimit extracts from pdf or what?22:10
KaylaKazecbr and cbz22:10
KaylaKazewell, I haven't done the cbz support yet22:10
Dr_Nunimthat's comic book format?22:10
KaylaKazecomic book rar and comic book zip22:10
KaylaKazebasically just ar and zip files renamed to open with the right program22:10
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KaylaKazeit appears that width=200% in an img tag doesn't do what you'd like it to (assuming you used that tag) so I'll have to do some extra jiggering for 2 page files22:13
konttoriI wonder if you could convert that to python. The conversion shouldn't be too big one.php and python are quite alike22:17
konttoriand pygame should be able to render those images really smoothly.22:17
Xenon3DNCan I make the file manager do a copy as a result of a drag operation, instead of doing a "move"?22:23
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trevarthankonttori: you need python 2.5 or greater. Forgot to mention that.22:25
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KaylaKazewell, I found that opera does a great job with the images so why bother dealing with writing your own displayer? Installing nginx and php on the 770 is a snap22:41
KaylaKazethough I don't know if the 770 php can do the unrar22:41
KaylaKazeand it'd probably take forever to do it22:41
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KaylaKazebut I have a Apache on my desktop and all my comicbook files are there so I can just access them that way without taking up space on my 770 to store the cbr files22:42
KaylaKazeI'm also gonna see if I can add PDF functionality. That'd be nice. To be able to extract a single page from a PDF as a graphic. But that wouldn't work on secured PDF files22:43
Xenon3DNI think ghostscript will rasterize a PDF for you.22:44
KaylaKazewell, there doesn't seem to be a php lib that does it...22:46
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KaylaKazehmmm... apparently I could make an external call to ghostscript from PHP to get the image first...22:54
Xenon3DNGhostscript is pretty big though.22:55
ericzim wondering if i can print.. have cupsys installed on a server, the server would have apache/php, somehow make a php script that takes uploaded files and sends them to cupsys ? can you print via php?22:58
KaylaKazeit's on my PC not the 77022:58
KaylaKazethere's no way these scripts will run on a 770, the cpu just would die :-)22:58
Xenon3DNKaylaKaze: Yeah. Should work ok then.22:59
KaylaKazeBesides, the pdfs in question and the comic book files are pretty big themselves. It works much better to jsut connect to my home PC and stream them. That obviously won't allow it to work without net access though, but the evince and the default pdf viewer demonstrate that the 770 has difficulty with that stuff23:00
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KaylaKazeWHOA! I just found out that all this time 4NT has had line completion. I had gotten used to using tab when in my linux shell so I used it while in my windows shell and was shocked when it worked :-)23:10
Xenon3DNI think you can configure the keycode that triggers it.23:11
KaylaKazeeeekk... I need to clean my windows path. Imagmagick can't fit23:11
zuhIt works in the XP standard cmd too, though rather lamely by cycling all possible completions instead of showing them23:12
Xenon3DNBetter than nothin'.23:13
zuhSaid the flies sitting on a dungball23:14
zuh(million flies can't be wrong, right?-)23:14
zuhWhat I found wicked was when I accidentally scrolled the wheel on a (gnome-)terminal with 'less' open and it actually scrolled the text23:16
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unique311konttori i just notice i have UK player dark and light installed, and cannot remove 1 or the other via AM23:23
unique311reason why they are installed seperately23:24
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unique3111 being in the extras folder and the other in a misc folder i created23:24
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KaylaKaze:-( GS can't handle my PopSci files23:25
unique311209 users....23:25
unique311feck me23:25
sxpertcheap HDD anyone ?23:31
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KaylaKazeyay! I'll be able to do a lot of PDF files (though not all :-( )23:39
KaylaKaze,... somone made a typo on that HD23:39
KaylaKazeunless they mean it's an external enclosure that supports up to 1TB23:39
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KaylaKazeconsidering the price of the 500, I'm guessing someone dropped a 023:40
sxpertthere. order filled and paid for23:41
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KaylaKazeI wonder if they'll ship to the US23:42
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KaylaKazewhat's the name of that IM client that isn't GAIM?23:50
Xenon3DNPidgin is the new name for GAIM.23:50
KaylaKazeI thought it wasn't gaim23:53
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Xenon3DNIt is the same project, but AOL sued them over the name GAIM.23:54
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KaylaKazeoh ok.23:56
KaylaKazeso I should uninstall gaim and install pidgin23:56
ericzi was using gaim, but everytime i ran it, my menus would just flash and close when trying to navigate, so i switched to pidgin, having no problems23:57

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