| Dr_Nunim | nuts | 00:00 |
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| Dr_Nunim | crashed it | 00:00 |
| ttuttle_ | yo ericz! l wrote this message by hand! | 00:01 |
| ttuttle_ | lt's not bad. | 00:01 |
| ericz | and I d,d Thi S On e | 00:02 |
| ericz | eW | 00:02 |
| ttuttle_ | Sorta annoying, but cool. | 00:02 |
| ericz | I have bad9nd wno | 00:02 |
| ttuttle_ | Congrats, that's greato u | 00:03 |
| Dr_Nunim | I can't use that handwriting thing for crap. | 00:03 |
| ericz | LOL | 00:03 |
| Dr_Nunim | My handwriting is just too bad. | 00:03 |
| ttuttle_ | Thisisfun . | 00:03 |
| ericz | hahqh9 | 00:03 |
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| ericz | i S4cl aT hig | 00:03 |
| ttuttle_ | Wheeeeee! | 00:03 |
| * ttuttle_ likes the finger keyboard. | 00:05 | |
| ericz | same | 00:05 |
| ericz | it thinks myster | 00:05 |
| ericz | my a's are q's | 00:05 |
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| ttuttle | ericz: Ah. | 00:08 |
| ttuttle | ericz: You need to space things out widely. | 00:08 |
| ttuttle | ericz: Otherwise it runs words together. | 00:08 |
| Dr_Nunim | Ah praise the lord of ftp | 00:08 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: lol | 00:08 |
| Dr_Nunim | Makes my life so much easier | 00:09 |
| Dr_Nunim | Memory cards bah! | 00:09 |
| ericz | ya, it hates me | 00:09 |
| sorbix | anyone know the best way to clean the 770 screen? | 00:10 |
| sorbix | im assuming not windex | 00:10 |
| sorbix | :) | 00:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | I used windex lol | 00:10 |
| sorbix | haha | 00:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | Sprayed it on the paper towel | 00:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | Not on the screen | 00:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | If it ate away some chemical coating, oh well. | 00:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | Screen protectors arrive monday. | 00:11 |
| sorbix | whered you buy them? | 00:11 |
| blkhawk | you have to be careful - some stuff is really hard on anti glare | 00:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | ebay | 00:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | this is an anti-glare screen? | 00:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | take it outside and tell me that :p | 00:11 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: I've used that on my old laptop. | 00:12 |
| ericz | One mOre try | 00:12 |
| ericz | caPS sUcKS | 00:12 |
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| ttuttle | ericz: lol | 00:12 |
| sorbix | wait you can use anti glare screens on a touchpad? | 00:12 |
| ttuttle | ericz: That's not bad, you'll get used to it. | 00:12 |
| ttuttle | sorbix: Um, huh? | 00:12 |
| ttuttle | sorbix: Yeah, if your touchpad has a screen. (A few do.) | 00:12 |
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| sorbix | i thought it might mess with its sensitivity or something | 00:13 |
| ericz | t c9nt 3ee acolon | 00:13 |
| ericz | bah | 00:13 |
| ttuttle | sorbix: Nah, the surface itself is just a smooth plastic layer. The electronics are beneath it. | 00:13 |
| sorbix | haha ericz | 00:13 |
| ttuttle | sorbix: Until yo dry it off, though, it *will* screw with it. And occasionally it'll get really confused by the "sensations" it gets while it's wet, and you'll need to reboot. | 00:13 |
| ttuttle | sorbix: Shut up :-b | 00:13 |
| sorbix | oh ok | 00:14 |
| sorbix | i can just do it when its off | 00:14 |
| ericz | keyboard ftw | 00:14 |
| ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. | 00:14 |
| ericz | ;/ | 00:14 |
| ericz | stylus != pencil | 00:14 |
| ttuttle | ericz: lol | 00:15 |
| ttuttle | ericz: Don't scratch it. | 00:15 |
| sorbix | does anyone have a recommendation for maps for the 770? | 00:15 |
| sorbix | tomtom? | 00:15 |
| ericz | heh | 00:15 |
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| ttuttle | Can the N770 use 2GB cards out of the box? | 00:18 |
| sorbix | i dont think so | 00:18 |
| ttuttle | 1GB? | 00:18 |
| Dr_Nunim | I thought they could with the newest OS | 00:18 |
| Dr_Nunim | yeah 1gb for sure | 00:18 |
| ttuttle | ok | 00:18 |
| ttuttle | bye gotta go | 00:18 |
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| jga23 | is there a .bashrc file for the n800? | 00:24 |
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| Sho_ | jga23: Busybox' shell is called "ash", so look around for the docs to that and what files it looks at during startup | 00:29 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Total Google searches: 17736 | 00:39 |
| KaylaKaze | my db has successfully been copied over to sqlite. yay.. though I probably could have done it easier by writing a syncronization script, especially since I'll have to do that anyway... | 00:39 |
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| Dr_Nunim | That's a decent amount. | 00:39 |
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| ericz | ugh, my 770 takes forever to find network and connect | 00:40 |
| ericz | i get 3 or 4 network errors before it finally connects | 00:41 |
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| KaylaKaze | oh this sucks... sqlite is version 3 but the php is version 2 | 00:46 |
| KaylaKaze | oh well, doersn't matte. I can just make php create the db | 00:48 |
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| ericz | man, too low of memory to run browser, gaim, and xchat ;/ | 00:51 |
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| Dr_Nunim | did you add swap? | 00:58 |
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| konttori | ericz: HAve you enabled swap? | 01:03 |
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| KaylaKaze | if you're writing a text file in lniux and want a new line, what's the char sequence (like it's \n in windows but that's not working on linux) | 01:21 |
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| Dr_Nunim | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/918a/ | 01:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | Of course then I'd need a suit... | 01:28 |
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| KaylaKaze | I made php on 770 write a file of "test\ntest\ntest\n" and that's how the file came out. I did the same in php in windows and it wrote the \n as line breaks (as, I think, it should have) | 01:28 |
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| ericz | gaim sure does give crazy online times | 02:04 |
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| KaylaKaze | sweet. I wrote a php script on the 770 to call a php script on my pc and get it to dump the contents of my db so my script on the 770 can reconstruct the db. | 02:18 |
| ericz | neat | 02:21 |
| ericz | i think i love maemo/n770 | 02:25 |
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| KaylaKaze | is 103K too big for a web page? :-P | 02:51 |
| ericm | so how well's the 770 play mp3s? | 02:52 |
| Dr_Nunim | Why would 103k be too big? | 02:53 |
| Dr_Nunim | :o | 02:53 |
| Dr_Nunim | 103k is tiny. | 02:53 |
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| ericz | hm mp3 playback isnt too bad. | 02:57 |
| ericz | id still go for my ipod first, though | 02:57 |
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| ericm | woooah | 03:00 |
| ericm | audios nice right up until you start doing something | 03:00 |
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| yzf600 | hello all | 03:03 |
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| yzf600 | I just picked up a 770 from the woot deal Monday. | 03:04 |
| yzf600 | I'm pretty impressed | 03:04 |
| ericz | so did/am i :) | 03:04 |
| yzf600 | I'm intersted in an nx client port | 03:04 |
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| yzf600 | I saw a few people talking about it in Feb, but no action since then | 03:04 |
| yzf600 | Does anyone know any more status on it? | 03:05 |
| sorbix | ugh i cant remember how to reorganize the app menu | 03:10 |
| sorbix | im going crazy trying to remember | 03:10 |
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| Niacin | anyone get dun workin on the 770? | 03:11 |
| trevarthan | Why is the xmame version so old? | 03:13 |
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| trevarthan | xmame is up to like 0.106 or 0.107 now. Why do we only have 0.58? | 03:14 |
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| KaylaKaze | I just had to reboot :-( my web server was giving me 404's when trying to access web pages that were just working and ssh was saying "Server refused to allocate pty" | 03:34 |
| sorbix | why would someone run a webserver on the tablets | 03:35 |
| KaylaKaze | I'm running it so I can use html and php to run programs on the tablet without needing to connect to my server back home | 03:36 |
| sorbix | what kinds of programs? | 03:36 |
| KaylaKaze | I designed a dynamic character sheet for D&D that stores the data in a database | 03:37 |
| KaylaKaze | using AJAX | 03:37 |
| sorbix | ooh interesting | 03:37 |
| KaylaKaze | I'm trying to get everything all debugged for my game tomorrow so I can use my tablet as my character sheet with autocalculating and whatnot | 03:38 |
| sorbix | thats the geekiest thing ive ever heard, but so awesome | 03:38 |
| Dr_Nunim | Why not do it in say Excel? | 03:38 |
| KaylaKaze | the only problem is it's annoying to subtract hit point's 'cause the tablet's keyboard's minus key is on the symbols page | 03:39 |
| Dr_Nunim | Can't you change virtual keyboard map? | 03:39 |
| KaylaKaze | I don't know (about the VK map) I haven't tried | 03:39 |
| KaylaKaze | as for excel, I could but then it wouldn't run in a web browser. | 03:40 |
| Dr_Nunim | Oh I guess not seems to be hardware only. | 03:40 |
| Dr_Nunim | So? | 03:40 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Get gnumeric or whatever it's called. | 03:41 |
| KaylaKaze | Well, I'd considered that but it's not as nifty :-P | 03:41 |
| Dr_Nunim | True :) | 03:41 |
| KaylaKaze | I'm concerened about that pty error and about the nginx saying 404... that was weird. | 03:42 |
| sorbix | no wait i think you can change the layout | 03:42 |
| sorbix | i saw something about that somewhere | 03:42 |
| KaylaKaze | you can change the layout but it doesn't seem you can customize it | 03:42 |
| Dr_Nunim | 2007 has a slightly better layout. | 03:43 |
| KaylaKaze | okay. I've got my database transfered over to the 770. Now to moify the code to use sqlite instead of mysql | 03:44 |
| trevarthan | maemo has a limited number of ptys. you'll run out quickly. | 03:44 |
| KaylaKaze | how do you use them up so I can avoid it? I don't know what a pty is | 03:46 |
| KaylaKaze | ... I was running as root and got a "Permission denied"... | 03:48 |
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| KaylaKaze | is there a way to list a file's contents, like "type" in DOS? | 03:49 |
| ericz | ca? | 03:49 |
| ericz | cat* | 03:49 |
| Dr_Nunim | ls | 03:52 |
| Dr_Nunim | ? | 03:52 |
| Dr_Nunim | oh | 03:52 |
| KaylaKaze | yep | 03:52 |
| KaylaKaze | cat is it | 03:52 |
| ericz | ;) | 03:52 |
| Niacin | anyone ever done bluetooth dun with 770? | 03:57 |
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| KaylaKaze | dammit. It's not working | 04:05 |
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| ericz | is there a way to change the orange background on the 770 | 04:08 |
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| Niacin | is there issues with DUN on os 2007 hacker? | 04:19 |
| ajcool | hey i have a question about pidgin, i have all the repositories in but which actual files do i need under "instantmessaging" just to run AIM | 04:20 |
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| ajcool | ? | 04:20 |
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| Niacin | can you downgrade os 2007 back to 2006? | 04:21 |
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| ajcool | what is file 'pidgin-l10n pidgin localized | 04:22 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Niacin: Yes | 04:24 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Ajcool: Judging by the size I'd say support for all the messaging clients but I'm not sure. | 04:24 |
| Dr_Nunim | Install it and see? | 04:24 |
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| Niacin | Dr_Nunim just flash os2006? | 04:27 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Yup. | 04:28 |
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| jpt9 | Hey | 04:31 |
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| jpt9 | I just got an n770. | 04:31 |
| jpt9 | It rocks | 04:31 |
| Dr_Nunim | You and 7999 Other people :) | 04:31 |
| jpt9 | I'm using irc on it right now. | 04:31 |
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| KaylaKaze | okay... this isn't making any sense | 04:33 |
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| KaylaKaze | in one php script, the query runs fine. In the other, the exact same query doesn't | 04:33 |
| Dr_Nunim | whats the error? | 04:34 |
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| jpt9 | This is so awesome | 04:34 |
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| KaylaKaze | it's not giving one. It's just returning as FALSE | 04:35 |
| KaylaKaze | it's supposed to fill the error variable passed to it when that happens but it's not 'cause that variable is coming out empty | 04:35 |
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| KaylaKaze | fuck! like 20 minutes trying to find the bug and it turns out it was a typo in my variable name | 04:37 |
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| ericz | at least you found it without punching holes in closet doors (personal experience) | 04:40 |
| Dr_Nunim | Any way to reorganize the contacts tab? | 04:41 |
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| ericz | 770 needs limewire | 04:44 |
| Dr_Nunim | No java. | 04:45 |
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| KaylaKaze | this is weird... the page is loading fine and sending off the httpxml request fine... but then doesn't do anything | 04:45 |
| ericz | aw | 04:45 |
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| ericz | does frostwire use java too? | 04:46 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Yes. | 04:46 |
| ericz | there goes my dream of warpiratig ;p | 04:47 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Torrent & Usenet are still available. | 04:47 |
| * ericz shrugs | 04:48 | |
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| ericz | i dont even have a 2gb card | 04:48 |
| KaylaKaze | oh duh! the xml handling script is in a separate js file | 04:48 |
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| KaylaKaze | and I forgot to copy it | 04:48 |
| Dr_Nunim | So anyone know if I can customize the contacts tab? | 04:49 |
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| KaylaKaze | works on my desktop... now for the tablet... | 04:52 |
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| KaylaKaze | GOAL!!! | 04:53 |
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| Dr_Nunim | And the crowd goes wild, it's a great shot! | 04:53 |
| KaylaKaze | no to convert the script for writing back to the DB | 04:54 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Why not just do it on the server and use real SQL? | 04:54 |
| Dr_Nunim | or no wifi where you're going to be playing? | 04:54 |
| KaylaKaze | I'm not sure of the wifi status where I'll be | 04:54 |
| KaylaKaze | I know there's a wireless router in the shop but I don't know if it's open | 04:55 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Jesus this blog has done double the traffic I did all last month in just 2 days. | 04:57 |
| ericz | why when i go to open menus, it like flashes white and closs? | 04:57 |
| Dr_Nunim | Try rebooting. | 04:58 |
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| ericz | i have, but it always eventually starts again | 04:58 |
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| ericz | rebooting every 10 minuts could get old | 04:59 |
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| KaylaKaze | Dr_Nunim: Well, it was 'cause of the Woot deal that manyh of us even found out these things existed | 05:02 |
| * ericz agrees | 05:02 | |
| Niacin | damn it so no one has gotten dun working with a bluetooth phone? | 05:02 |
| Dr_Nunim | Plenty of people have :o | 05:02 |
| Niacin | ;\ | 05:03 |
| Dr_Nunim | I saw this thing on Wikipedia when I was wiking god knows what and was like, I must own that. | 05:03 |
| Dr_Nunim | but I couldn't spend quite that much, but once it was on Woot... | 05:03 |
| Dr_Nunim | mmm... bargin.. | 05:03 |
| KaylaKaze | yep, I wouldn't have spent over $150 | 05:05 |
| KaylaKaze | Whoa! brainstorm! | 05:05 |
| KaylaKaze | I can use VNC for reading! | 05:06 |
| KaylaKaze | that way I'm not killing the thing's memory loading a comic book | 05:06 |
| ericz | is claws mail any good? | 05:06 |
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| ericz | nice, i install new software but cant open menu to use it | 05:08 |
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| Wzrd2 | I'm new to Linux and the 770.. how do I install apps on the 770? | 05:09 |
| Wzrd2 | I'm trying to install the minimo browser | 05:09 |
| Wzrd2 | I also want to install flash 9 for the browser once I can get it installed | 05:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | Flash 9 = nopers | 05:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | Minimo = no probs | 05:11 |
| Wzrd2 | flash 9 doesn't work? | 05:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | Nope. | 05:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | No SDK for it even. | 05:11 |
| Wzrd2 | bummer cuz it says it's for firefox/mozilla on linux | 05:11 |
| Wzrd2 | oh.. duh I just realized it's for x86 | 05:12 |
| Wzrd2 | we cant upgrade flash on the opera browser either, right? | 05:13 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Nope. | 05:13 |
| Wzrd2 | cuz 6 sux | 05:14 |
| Wzrd2 | there isn't any other higher version of flash avaliable for the 770, right? | 05:14 |
| Dr_Nunim | Nope. | 05:15 |
| Dr_Nunim | I can help you install Minimo though. | 05:15 |
| Wzrd2 | how do I install apps on the 770? | 05:15 |
| Dr_Nunim | Application Manager | 05:15 |
| Wzrd2 | I tried but it gives me an error | 05:15 |
| Wzrd2 | I downloaded all the libraries and the minimo files | 05:16 |
| Wzrd2 | tried installing from the memory card and also tried installing by copying to the internal memory | 05:16 |
| Wzrd2 | it says "can't install..missing files even though they are there" the missing files point to the libraries | 05:17 |
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| KaylaKaze | hmmm underestimated how long it take to send the screen data over the net... | 05:22 |
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| Dr_Nunim | lol | 05:22 |
| Dr_Nunim | Wzrd2: the easiet way would be to add the correct repositories and let application manager do the work. | 05:25 |
| Dr_Nunim | add the one minimo says to add | 05:25 |
| Dr_Nunim | as well as Web address - http://repository.maemo.org | 05:25 |
| Dr_Nunim | Distribution - herring | 05:25 |
| Dr_Nunim | Components - main | 05:25 |
| Dr_Nunim | That'll satisfy the required dependencies. | 05:25 |
| Niacin | dude this is trying me crazy | 05:35 |
| Niacin | when i try to pair it says "no services" | 05:36 |
| Niacin | but it works fine in windows | 05:36 |
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| ttuttle | If I flash 2007 hacker on my n770, can I reinstall 2006 later if I change my mind? | 05:50 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Yes. | 05:50 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: The normal way? | 05:51 |
| Dr_Nunim | You use the same flasher. | 05:51 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Cool. | 05:51 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Is there anything cool or new in hacker? | 05:51 |
| Dr_Nunim | Eh, some minor interface improvements and such. | 05:51 |
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| Dr_Nunim | It seems a little faster. | 05:51 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Cool. Does sound work? | 05:51 |
| Dr_Nunim | The clicking noise did, I didn't try and play media. | 05:51 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: (I heard it didn't.) | 05:51 |
| ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: (You don't have it right now?) | 05:52 |
| Dr_Nunim | Nope. | 05:52 |
| Dr_Nunim | I went back to 2006. | 05:52 |
| Dr_Nunim | Was having issues with my applications in 2007. | 05:52 |
| ttuttle | Ah. | 05:52 |
| * ttuttle is flashing. | 05:55 | |
| ttuttle | Flashed. Rebooting, I hope. | 05:58 |
| ttuttle | Progress bar is moving. | 05:58 |
| ttuttle | Faster. | 05:58 |
| ttuttle | Oh, it just lies. Never mind. | 05:58 |
| Dr_Nunim | Only took me around 3 minutes. | 05:58 |
| Dr_Nunim | So, anyone know how to customize the contacts area? | 06:01 |
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| ericz | mine's being weird, i guess its just memory | 06:06 |
| ericz | like, menus flash white and close | 06:07 |
| ericz | and i have to reboot | 06:07 |
| KaylaKaze | there's something kinda nice about carrying your own http server around with you | 06:08 |
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| ttuttle | KaylaKaze: hehe | 06:08 |
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| ttuttle | Whoa, Hacker 2007 ROCKS! | 06:11 |
| ttuttle | It's faster, has a few more features, and (most importantly) is *much* prettier. | 06:12 |
| ttuttle | (And it's so cuuute, it thinks it's an N800!) | 06:12 |
| Niacin | man this is shitting me ;\ | 06:19 |
| Wzrd2 | can you elaborate on the install process, nunim? | 06:20 |
| Wzrd2 | I downloaded all the files inclucding the libries needed and put them in the same directory | 06:20 |
| Wzrd2 | double clicked on minimo and it asked if I wanted to install. then it erroed saying I was missing the libraries even though they are in the same directory | 06:21 |
| Niacin | where does the 770 keeps its logs? | 06:21 |
| Wzrd2 | stupid user manual on maemo page gets a 404 error | 06:23 |
| Dr_Nunim | Wzrd2, just use the repositories it's much easier. | 06:24 |
| Wzrd2 | please explain how to do that i'm not familar with linux | 06:26 |
| Dr_Nunim | http://dragon-gaming.com/blog/?p=5 | 06:27 |
| ttuttle | Hacker OS rocks! | 06:27 |
| Wzrd2 | sorry to be stupid. With a pc i'm an expert but I just got my 770 today and am not familiar with linux | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | but instead of the ones listed use | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | web address: http://www.maemo.org.br/minimo/ | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | Distribution: bora | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | Components: user | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | & | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | Web address - http://repository.maemo.org | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | Distribution - herring | 06:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | Components - main | 06:27 |
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| Wzrd2 | and then install minimo? | 06:31 |
| Wzrd2 | from the list? | 06:31 |
| Dr_Nunim | Yeah | 06:32 |
| Dr_Nunim | Go Install New > All > Scroll Down to minimo and install. | 06:32 |
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| Wzrd2 | thanks.. so from reading his faqs, anything on the app catalog from maemo you add the repository from whatever the app says then install? | 06:33 |
| Wzrd2 | that would be for installing any app or game on the 770?? | 06:34 |
| Dr_Nunim | Yeah. | 06:34 |
| Dr_Nunim | Pretty much. | 06:34 |
| Wzrd2 | that's pretty easy then | 06:34 |
| Wzrd2 | do you always have to gain root access for every install? | 06:35 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Nope. | 06:36 |
| Dr_Nunim | You rarely need root. | 06:36 |
| Dr_Nunim | I was just giving you an example how to install a repository. | 06:36 |
| Wzrd2 | ok so I cAN SKIP THAT STEP | 06:36 |
| Wzrd2 | oops...stupid caps lock | 06:36 |
| Dr_Nunim | yeah | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | just install the repositorys | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | and go to add application | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | all | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | scroll to minimo | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | double click | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | it'll say somet hings | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | click ok | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | and it'll install | 06:37 |
| Dr_Nunim | Then it'll be in Extras > Minimo | 06:37 |
| Wzrd2 | cool it worked! thanks.. now we need a later version of flash which works on the 770 | 06:41 |
| KaylaKaze | yay! DND sheet all working! | 06:42 |
| Wzrd2 | now to try and install doom :) | 06:42 |
| Dr_Nunim | Doom is easy :) | 06:45 |
| Wzrd2 | how does it run | 06:46 |
| Wzrd2 | is it smooth? | 06:46 |
| Dr_Nunim | Smooth enough. | 06:47 |
| Wzrd2 | so it's a little jerky but not bad? | 06:49 |
| Dr_Nunim | It's doom afterall.. | 06:50 |
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| [spec] | is there a howto to get airodump working on the 770? | 06:56 |
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| sorbix | man playing doom with the stylus sucks so much ass | 07:01 |
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| [spec] | i thought it was kinda cool | 07:05 |
| [spec] | much better than playing doom on the iPod | 07:05 |
| Wzrd2 | doom is kinda cool but there's no monsters | 07:05 |
| [spec] | i only played for about 35 seconds | 07:06 |
| [spec] | can you load your own wad files? | 07:07 |
| Wzrd2 | yes | 07:07 |
| [spec] | cool | 07:07 |
| Wzrd2 | is the os 2007 hacker edition way better? | 07:09 |
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| KaylaKaze | this is weird. Firefox isn't processing my havascript but it's not throwing any errors either... | 07:27 |
| KaylaKaze | javascript* | 07:27 |
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| KaylaKaze | and tracked down (hopefully) to a missing ) | 07:30 |
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| reverendnathan | Well howdy there, strangers! I got a question that perchance has been asked time and time again, but I want to ask it once more. | 07:31 |
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| reverendnathan | What support/development can the maemo community itself do to have Flash 7,8, or 9 on the tablet build of Linux? I'm interested in forming a development team if it's just the problem of getting the source onto the system. | 07:32 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Flash 9 is out of the question. | 07:35 |
| Dr_Nunim | For flash 8, you could try intergrating it with minimo | 07:35 |
| reverendnathan | What would the limitation of Flash 9 be? Since Adobe did build it for linux... | 07:36 |
| reverendnathan | Actually, Flash 8 doesn't exist for Linux, sorry | 07:36 |
| reverendnathan | They leaped from 7 to 9 | 07:36 |
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| Dr_Nunim | I was lead to believe they didn't release the SDK for flash 9 yet | 07:39 |
| Dr_Nunim | Thats why linux opera doesn't have it. | 07:39 |
| dragorn | They released a flash 9 plugin some months ago for linux. Flash 8 never happened for linux. | 07:43 |
| rhys | flash 7 is for opera though | 07:43 |
| rhys | im pretty sure flash 9 on opera doesnt work for linux? | 07:43 |
| brlancer | http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/04/13/wii-browser-out-but-why-flash-7-and-not-8-or-9 | 07:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | UKTube has reduced my desire for Flash 9 a bit. | 07:47 |
| Dr_Nunim | I knew I read that somewhere. | 07:47 |
| rhys | GeneralAntilles, why is that? | 07:48 |
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| rhys | what is the opera on maemo? opera mini? full opera compiled by opera? | 07:48 |
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| Dr_Nunim | combination? | 07:52 |
| reverendnathan | Seems to be full opera ripped and gutted and totally modified | 07:52 |
| reverendnathan | So why doesn't maemo get together a team to use the Flash 7 SDK and make flash 7 worakble? At least at that rate, YouTube and GV will work | 07:53 |
| rhys | with operas consent? nokia buy some dev rights or buy a custom opera from opera? | 07:53 |
| rhys | reverendnathan, doesnt it already have flash 7? | 07:54 |
| reverendnathan | Flash 6 | 07:55 |
| reverendnathan | On OS2006 here, though | 07:55 |
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| rhys | oh right | 08:04 |
| rhys | i bought the n800 because i thought the n770 would be nice as a little linux device, but it seemed too underpowered to do what it was supposed to do. webrowsing and multimedia | 08:05 |
| Dr_Nunim | I don't think 770 is underpowered. | 08:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | For heavy flash/ajax maybe. | 08:10 |
| reverendnathan | Certainly if I was directly in the market I would have gone with the N800, but as you guys heard, the N770 was $129 on woot so I grabbed it there | 08:13 |
| reverendnathan | Pretty damn satisfied, and youtube is really the only stake in the coffin, really | 08:14 |
| rhys | reverendnathan, 225$ for the n800 | 08:14 |
| Dr_Nunim | Yeah $130, can't argue. | 08:15 |
| Dr_Nunim | I've spent more on junk. | 08:15 |
| Dr_Nunim | i.e. breadmaker. | 08:16 |
| rhys | hey now | 08:16 |
| rhys | breadmakers are so worth it | 08:16 |
| Dr_Nunim | No, I made bread one time. | 08:16 |
| reverendnathan | I make bread by hand, can't imagine a maker really saving too much time | 08:17 |
| rhys | the point of a breadmaker is to allow you to make bread easily | 08:17 |
| Dr_Nunim | Eh, it's a pain to clean. | 08:17 |
| Dr_Nunim | Granted it makes some very good cinnamon buns. | 08:17 |
| Dr_Nunim | but I'm lazy... | 08:17 |
| KaylaKaze | this d&D character sheet better be able to get me a job. It's pretty damn impressive IMO :-P | 08:19 |
| rhys | roffle. | 08:19 |
| KaylaKaze | it looks almost just like the paper one | 08:19 |
| KaylaKaze | I still have to add user authentification though | 08:20 |
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| ajcool | hi can someone please answer me a quick question about gaining root | 08:23 |
| ajcool | i type sudo gainroot after installing the required repositoires, but when i do an ls under the 'root' dir all i see are MyDocs and apps | 08:23 |
| ajcool | i'm trying to get into my memory card | 08:23 |
| ajcool | right now i see /home/user # (cursor) | 08:24 |
| ajcool | i'm trying to do "cd media" it says cannot cd to media | 08:27 |
| Dr_Nunim | cd /media/mmc1/ | 08:30 |
| ajcool | but when i type "ls" all i see are MyDocs and apps folder | 08:30 |
| ajcool | i type sudo gainroot, then it says "root shell enabled" | 08:32 |
| ajcool | comes up to | 08:32 |
| ajcool | ./home/user # (cursor) | 08:32 |
| Dr_Nunim | [01:29] <Dr_Nunim> cd /media/mmc1/ | 08:32 |
| ajcool | o | 08:33 |
| ajcool | weird | 08:33 |
| ajcool | thanks | 08:33 |
| ajcool | why is that so specific | 08:33 |
| Dr_Nunim | if you just type cd media | 08:33 |
| Dr_Nunim | it relative path | 08:33 |
| Dr_Nunim | so it would go to media | 08:33 |
| Dr_Nunim | typing cd /media/ | 08:33 |
| Dr_Nunim | means go to base then media | 08:33 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Common linux goodyness. | 08:35 |
| rhys | so specific? werid? thats not specific. thats like telling someone to "to get to my house you drive 20 miles west."....if you dont give them a starting location, they assume it to be wherever they are currently at... | 08:36 |
| ajcool | eh w/e as long as i get the end result | 08:37 |
| * Dr_Nunim can't believe the number of people not using swap. | 08:37 | |
| `0660 | i'm one of them :) | 08:52 |
| `0660 | haven't seen the need for it yet | 08:52 |
| KaylaKaze | this thing says I have 15 MB of pictures... | 08:54 |
| KaylaKaze | I'd like to know where 'cause I don't see 'em nor did I put them theer | 08:54 |
| Dr_Nunim | It coems with some. | 08:55 |
| `0660 | sure you didn't :) | 08:55 |
| `0660 | blame the software :) | 08:55 |
| KaylaKaze | unless it's just counting any picture files, like from games | 08:55 |
| KaylaKaze | I'd like Nethack much more if it had a better map generator | 09:00 |
| Dr_Nunim | I never played it, anygood? | 09:01 |
| KaylaKaze | how could you never have played Nethack? | 09:02 |
| rhys | nethack? | 09:04 |
| KaylaKaze | http://www.nethack.org/ | 09:05 |
| KaylaKaze | the version on the 770 is one of the better I've seen | 09:06 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Why does this look like something I don't want to play. | 09:10 |
| * Dr_Nunim holds out for master of magic. | 09:10 | |
| Dr_Nunim | Man that would make a great port. | 09:10 |
| rhys | ?omg.. | 09:10 |
| rhys | omg | 09:10 |
| rhys | Wtf. | 09:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | ? | 09:10 |
| rhys | KaylaKaze, how fooking 1337 do you have to be to play nethack?! | 09:10 |
| Dr_Nunim | lol, I'd bet it looks more like the windows version | 09:11 |
| Dr_Nunim | not the asci lol | 09:11 |
| rhys | im thinking.wow. this is like the uberness of 1337ness. D&D, text based, ascii based, ported to linux on an arm device, played via cli. | 09:12 |
| KaylaKaze | I'd play it all the time if it's map generator didn't suck | 09:12 |
| KaylaKaze | the 770 version is graphical | 09:13 |
| `0660 | i wish i was leet | 09:18 |
| rhys | wow | 09:18 |
| `0660 | :) | 09:18 |
| `0660 | do you feel the same? | 09:18 |
| * Dr_Nunim plays a mud. | 09:19 | |
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| r3tro | hello! some months ago i got my new n800 and defined a code for device lock. now i have locked the device by accident and because i forgot the code and the device didn't ask the code before locking i have a problem now. | 15:24 |
| r3tro | i can still ssh into the device and become root. but the code and the lock seems to be defined in flash. and the flasher doesnt support setting or disabling device lock. | 15:25 |
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| inz | r3tro, afaik you need to take the device to service point if you've lost the code | 15:25 |
| r3tro | i found way to check a code via dbus, and try to brute-force hack my lock code, but now im at code 1.500.000 but no luck yet. i don't if my script works... | 15:26 |
| r3tro | this is the dbus command: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.validate_devicelock_code string:'12345' | 15:27 |
| r3tro | if one of you could do me a favor: lock your device (you should know your code), ssh into it and sumit the command above with your code? so i could verify that my brute-force script has a chance? | 15:28 |
| KaylaKaze | I don't think Canola likes my shared media... I think I have too much that it can't load the list... | 15:30 |
| inz | r3tro, dbus-names.h in mce-dev package says that it takes it encrypted | 15:33 |
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| r3tro | inz: argh! do you have a link for me to that file? | 15:35 |
| inz | r3tro, not the the file, but to the deb package, yes | 15:36 |
| inz | r3tro, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/mce-dev_1.5.6_all.deb | 15:36 |
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| r3tro | inz, thank you. what strange: if i "dbus-monitor --system" as root and enter a code via user interface, dbus-monitor shows only the following event | 15:38 |
| r3tro | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged | 15:38 |
| r3tro | but no validate_devicelock_code, so it seems that the ui doesnt check the devicelock via dbus.... | 15:39 |
| r3tro | inz, do you know how the nokia service point handles such a case? do they have a special flasher or what? | 15:46 |
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| inz | r3tro, I think you only see signals with monitor | 15:49 |
| inz | r3tro, and no idea what they would do | 15:49 |
| r3tro | inz, only signals: seems plausible. thank you! | 15:52 |
| inz | r3tro, btw, you can get the device out of locked state by reflashing, the code is not reset however | 15:53 |
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| r3tro | inz, yes i read that :-/ | 15:58 |
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| KaylaKaze | is there a way to reset the GUI? I have a menu popup that won't go away and apparently the system forgot it's there 'cause I click right through it | 16:06 |
| r3tro | inz, i can now use my device again: i replaced /sbin/devlock-blocker with an empty bash script, and /usr/bin/systemui with a bash script with sleep 10 as the only argument (this seems to be the devcode ui, it gets restartet after termination until the code is deactivated) | 16:08 |
| KaylaKaze | I've got cifs working now to my desktop shares. yay! | 16:08 |
| r3tro | inz, but i cant deativate my devlock code because the system dialog requests the old code first. how stupid is that! | 16:09 |
| Sho_ | KaylaKaze: Did you build cifs.ko yourself? I use fanoush's antique module because I'm too lazy to build my own - would be interested in yours if you have a newer one ;) | 16:09 |
| r3tro | inz, so i have to keep my hack or go to nokia service point (and i think they would send it to nokia, i don't think they can handle this by themselves) | 16:10 |
| KaylaKaze | no, I didn't build it. I don't know how it got installed | 16:12 |
| KaylaKaze | I used appman to install some samba stuff so maybe that did it | 16:12 |
| Sho_ | mkay | 16:12 |
| KaylaKaze | is there a way to make the device scan for wlan on startup and autoconnect if it sees a particular access point? | 16:12 |
| Sho_ | that's what it does here, actually | 16:13 |
| KaylaKaze | mine might after I start web browser or something (I'm not sure) but it doesn't connect immediately on startup | 16:14 |
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| r3tro | KaylaKaze, mine connects immediately, too. even when it's locked :-) | 16:16 |
| r3tro | Sho_, but maybe we have installed a package that performs an internet request at startup and triggers the wlan connection? | 16:16 |
| KaylaKaze | I wonder why mine won't. Plus mine always asks for what connection to connect to | 16:16 |
| Sho_ | dunno | 16:17 |
| Sho_ | I just configured my connection in Control Panel and that was that | 16:17 |
| Sho_ | If it was connected prior to shutdown, it will auto-reconnect after startup | 16:17 |
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| KaylaKaze | weird... Canola won't load files from my mounted cifs folder. I can't open them in Audio Player 'cause it seems the file list is so big that it crashes | 16:18 |
| Sho_ | KaylaKaze: Primarily Maemo's "Open" dialog takes forever on large CIFS mounts because it descends into every directory and counts the number of items and so on and so on, I found | 16:19 |
| Sho_ | KaylaKaze: I play stuff from CIFS via mplayer in XTerm ;) | 16:19 |
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| KaylaKaze | I don't like using xterm on the tablet 'cause typing sucks | 16:20 |
| KaylaKaze | I think I got Canola working on it now | 16:20 |
| suihkulokki | KaylaKaze: canola and the built-in mediaplayer support UPNP, might be easier to setup than CIFS | 16:21 |
| KaylaKaze | Canola won't work with my uPNP 'cause tghere's too much stuff | 16:22 |
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| KaylaKaze | is thee a way in a .sh file to prompt for the use to enter a pw and use that pw in the script as a variable? | 16:30 |
| Niacin | anyone here actually got bluetooth dun working on the 770? | 16:33 |
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| KaylaKaze | yay! I got canola to work with uPnP streaming! | 17:05 |
| KaylaKaze | video's choppy but still cool | 17:05 |
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| KaylaKaze | apparently with UPnP, you can't fast forward and rewind :-( | 17:22 |
| KaylaKaze | mplayer sucks really bad :-( | 17:28 |
| Sho_ | how so? | 17:28 |
| KaylaKaze | barely works for 1 | 17:29 |
| KaylaKaze | and plain doesn't for video | 17:30 |
| KaylaKaze | while playing mp3, I had to use kill to stop it | 17:30 |
| KaylaKaze | video almost completely locked the system, but it crashed soon after so that freed up the lock | 17:30 |
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| KaylaKaze | the inteface is nonexistant and it uses the default file browser | 17:31 |
| KaylaKaze | the only program I've seen so far to use a decent file browser is FBReader | 17:31 |
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| KaylaKaze | and WTF is up with these UPnP listing songs by their title? Songs don't go on their discs in alphabetical order! | 17:32 |
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| Sho_ | KaylaKaze: hm works fine here | 17:38 |
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| dev | KaylaKaze: if the UPnP client doesn't do sorting on its own (which isn't its task normally), the sorting depends on the UPnP MediaServer | 17:42 |
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| KaylaKaze | I figured that was the case. I was referring to the server | 17:44 |
| MoRpHeUz | where do you guys buy your n800's car holder here in Finland ? | 17:44 |
| KaylaKaze | I think this one kinda sucks 'cause it doesn't give me an option to scan for playlists and auto-import them | 17:45 |
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| KaylaKaze | ! | 18:00 |
| KaylaKaze | somehow my c:\ got del *.* ! | 18:00 |
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| KaylaKaze | my c:\ got del *.* somehome! :-/ | 18:06 |
| KaylaKaze | somehow* | 18:07 |
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| KaylaKaze | Irc on 770 is not fun | 18:25 |
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| KaylaKaze | The results of my scan are odd... | 18:34 |
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| Padrino | I have been trying to install Plutohome packages but I cant find libxsb,libxmu among others, any pointers to arepo with them? | 18:55 |
| KaylaKaze | This is odd. SimpleCenter seems to have made a ton of files in my c:\ when installed, then deleted them. | 18:57 |
| KaylaKaze | Maybe it nuked my stuff in the process. | 18:58 |
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| KaylaKaze | :-( you can only connect to 1 irc server at a time in xchat | 19:05 |
| melmoth | KaylaKaze, try again, you can. | 19:06 |
| melmoth | at least it works here. | 19:06 |
| KaylaKaze | I've got file scavenger trying to recover my nuked files but normal search didn't find them so exhaustive search is going on... slowly | 19:09 |
| KaylaKaze | But that may be overkill. I don't think anything important was lost. Just some nice script files :-( | 19:10 |
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| tom_ | I've got a problem. I'm running Hacker 2007 on an N770, and the App Manager forgot about all the apps I installed. | 19:44 |
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| ttuttle | How can I fix that? | 19:46 |
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| ttuttle | It's all based on apt, right? | 19:47 |
| ttuttle | (Is anyone here?) | 19:47 |
| * Sho_ is here, but doesn't know | 19:49 | |
| ttuttle | And I keep getting "Operation failed" when I try to update the application list. | 19:49 |
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| Sho_ | ttuttle: That's often due to a repos in the list that went down or is otherwise unreachable, I find | 19:50 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: Would that mess up the local app list too? | 19:50 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle: I don't think so, no | 19:51 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: Yeah, I'm worried that a previous install messed up (perhaps the disk filled up) and blew away the installed apps list. | 19:52 |
| Sho_ | Unfortunately I'm a Gentoo user on the desktop, so I'm not very familar with the on-disk structures of apt/dpkg either | 19:52 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: I'm thinking I might just have to reflash it. | 19:52 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: /me likes Gentoo too. | 19:53 |
| Sho_ | I figured by your hostmask ;) | 19:53 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: ;-) | 19:53 |
| Sho_ | Marcus from Gentoo will hold a Gentoo & KDE talk on our developers conference later today :) | 19:54 |
| * ttuttle is flashing... :-\ | 19:56 | |
| Sho_ | I got my N800 two weeks ago with the latest firmware pre-installed, so no flashing experience yet either ;) | 19:56 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: You have an N800? Grr... | 19:56 |
| Sho_ | In my defense, I didn't have an N770 when that was hip | 19:57 |
| Sho_ | ;) | 19:57 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: Grr. | 19:58 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: Yours has a camera. Only dumb, *consumer* gadgets have *cameras*. *Mine* is *31337*-er! ;-) | 19:58 |
| Sho_ | I think calling it a camera is a little inappropriate though | 19:59 |
| Sho_ | I'd go with "pixel coloration device" | 19:59 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: More like a multi-pixel brightness sensor with oclor filters? | 19:59 |
| ttuttle | s/oclor/color/; | 19:59 |
| Sho_ | Based on the image quality ... | 19:59 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: lol | 19:59 |
| Sho_ | yeah that fits it :) | 19:59 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: My phone (Samsung SGH-A707) actually has a nice camera, and I can OBEX push stuff from/to it ;-) | 19:59 |
| Sho_ | I have a crappy Moto Razr V3 that I chose because it didn't cost me anything in a contract extension and because it was nicely thin ;) | 20:00 |
| Sho_ | Bluetoothing to it from the N800 works fine, but the camera isn't much better | 20:00 |
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| ttuttle | Sho_: /me has a shiny new "Nokia N800". | 20:00 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: Or at least it thinks so. | 20:01 |
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| KaylaKaze | I should try harder to get my phone and 770 to share files. My phone has a 1GB SD in it | 20:01 |
| Sho_ | As for the N800, I saw http://www.maemo-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/47430-3.jpg and knew I needed to have one ;) | 20:01 |
| KaylaKaze | that's on 770 too | 20:02 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: what is it? | 20:02 |
| KaylaKaze | the LCARS theme | 20:02 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle: It's a theme for the OS that is reminiscent of the computer interface graphics on the modern Star Trek TV shows | 20:02 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: Ah. | 20:03 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle: Which is appropriate, because those shows features an assortment of touchscreen handhelds called "padds": http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/PADD | 20:03 |
| KaylaKaze | I've looked at the files for theme making and there are LOTS of files you'd need to modify | 20:03 |
| ttuttle | Sho_: What is the "internal memory card" on the N800 | 20:03 |
| Sho_ | Of course, the hostname of my N800 is now "padd", too ;) | 20:03 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle: There's a second SD slot under the battery cover | 20:03 |
| Sho_ | That's the "Internal" one | 20:04 |
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| ttuttle | Sho_: Ah. Do the N770's have that? | 20:04 |
| Sho_ | When I bought my N800 there was a 128 MB Mini-SD card in a Mini-SD-to-SD adapter in the box, I put that into the internal slot and set up the OS to use it as swap space. The external slots hold a 2 GB higher-end card from SanDisk. | 20:04 |
| Sho_ | ttuttle: dunno | 20:05 |
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| KaylaKaze | ttuttle: The extra memory? no | 20:05 |
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| ttuttle | What app catalogues can I trust? | 20:13 |
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| ttuttle | Sho_: I was pissed. I tried using a 16 MB swapfile on the stock 64 MB card, and I was playing music off it too. Bad idea, everything skips. | 20:16 |
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| jpt9 | hey. how's it going? | 20:27 |
| * jpt9 is running 2007 hacker edition on his 770. | 20:28 | |
| jpt9 | it's quite awesome. | 20:28 |
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| Sho_ | ttuttle: I network-mount my music collection via CIFS | 20:31 |
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| Tu13es | hmm | 20:33 |
| Tu13es | I just got a n770 a few days ago | 20:33 |
| kulve | lardman|gone: that thesis didn't include any code, just explanation (too highlevel for us) about what was done.. | 20:33 |
| Tu13es | been doing some reading, but i can't really figure out - why would I want to install OS 2007 hacker edition? | 20:33 |
| Tu13es | that is, what will that give me that OS 2006 doesn't? | 20:33 |
| * Sho_ never used 2006 and thus doesn't know specifically | 20:34 | |
| kulve | Tu13es: I think it has newer software (desktop, app.mgr) and thus can more easily use stuff made for n800.. | 20:34 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 20:34 |
| Tu13es | worth the trouble to upgrade? | 20:34 |
| Sho_ | Given that it's a major release, I assume pretty much everything has been updated in some fashion | 20:34 |
| Sho_ | It seems like most people in the Maemo community are still on N770, hmhm | 20:35 |
| kulve | I can't say about that, since I haven't tried it ever (I have n800). Some people are happy with it | 20:35 |
| Tu13es | gotcha | 20:35 |
| samiam010203 | when i flashed my 770 with hacker edition all that kept happining was i was getting random reboots of my 770 so i went back to the it os 2006 and no more reboots | 20:35 |
| Tu13es | my gf is interested in my n770, I might give that to her and pick up an n800 instead | 20:35 |
| kulve | Tu13es: if you haven't yet spent too much time on your 2006, flash the 2007 and check it out | 20:35 |
| Tu13es | I wish the N800 wasn't like $230 more than the N770, heh | 20:36 |
| samiam010203 | same | 20:36 |
| samiam010203 | im going to get an n800 for x-mass i think | 20:36 |
| samiam010203 | by then it should be cheaper | 20:36 |
| Sho_ | 340€ seemed like a pretty good deal to me | 20:37 |
| ericz | anyone know off hand what size wallpapers should be for the 770? | 20:37 |
| samiam010203 | 640x480 | 20:38 |
| kulve | 640? | 20:38 |
| samiam010203 | yes thats what im using and it give a nice crisp image | 20:38 |
| kulve | the reso is 800x480, but the task navigator takes something off it | 20:39 |
| ericz | ah | 20:39 |
| samiam010203 | it would be cool if there was an opption to auto hide the navigatore and then tap to get it back | 20:40 |
| kulve | most apps supports the full screen mode which partly covers that | 20:40 |
| samiam010203 | yes | 20:41 |
| samiam010203 | thats true | 20:41 |
| kulve | ofc, if you want fullscreen home with applets.. | 20:41 |
| kulve | but then you can't start anything (expect with the launcher applet) | 20:41 |
| samiam010203 | no you would hide the taskpan and then tap to bring it back into view | 20:41 |
| kulve | maybe the fullscreen button could do that? Hide tasknav and the home menu. Leave the status bar with its plugins.. | 20:42 |
| samiam010203 | let me ask you something | 20:42 |
| samiam010203 | i just ordered an 512mb rs-mmc for the 770 | 20:43 |
| samiam010203 | if i alocate 256mb of ram to the device would that help with the device not freezing up or rebooting if i decided to put on hack os 2007? | 20:43 |
| samiam010203 | because right now im just using the ram that came with it ... i beleive its 64mb | 20:44 |
| kulve | Hard to say. Reboots are cause by so many issues. The swap can help if the reboots are caused by memory issues.. | 20:44 |
| samiam010203 | what would happen is when i would start hacker edition, and then go to click for the menu it would reboot | 20:45 |
| samiam010203 | or sometime opera would crash and cause a reboot | 20:45 |
| samiam010203 | i was thinking it was because it needed more ram to run the hacker edition | 20:46 |
| kulve | rebooting on menu click sounds odd. Opera can take quite a lot of memory depending on the www-pages, so the swap might help there.. | 20:46 |
| samiam010203 | yes | 20:46 |
| samiam010203 | i would get random reboots on the menu clicks | 20:46 |
| samiam010203 | i would hit for the menu and whamo...a reboot | 20:47 |
| samiam010203 | thats why i think it was a matter of not enough ram | 20:47 |
| ericz | i get times when my 770, i go to click a menu item, to get to like the secondary menu, and it just flashes white and closes | 20:47 |
| ericz | but it's not really running slow, just the menus don't like to show | 20:47 |
| samiam010203 | i realy wish they would not have closed the development of the 770 | 20:48 |
| samiam010203 | its such a good device | 20:48 |
| samiam010203 | even when i do get an n800 ill still utilize the 770 | 20:48 |
| samiam010203 | i wish they could at least update the opera and flash just for youtube :) but thats a wet dream of mine that im sure will not be met | 20:49 |
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| ericz | what format should 770 wallpapers be? | 20:50 |
| ericz | png? jpg? | 20:50 |
| Dr_Nunim | png | 20:50 |
| ericz | k, thanks | 20:50 |
| ericz | ah! "unable to open not enough memory" when i try to change the wallpaper.. | 20:54 |
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| Tu13es | when installing IT2007HE on my n770, can I use these directions just with the new OS file? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ | 20:55 |
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| kulve | I don't know a thing about osx, but afaik, the he-edition is normal "firmware" image, so it should be flashable normally.. | 21:01 |
| Dr_Nunim | You're on OSX? | 21:02 |
| Tu13es | word | 21:03 |
| Tu13es | yeah, I am | 21:03 |
| Dr_Nunim | :( | 21:04 |
| Tu13es | ? | 21:04 |
| Dr_Nunim | Macs are evillllllll! | 21:04 |
| Dr_Nunim | but besides that. | 21:04 |
| Tu13es | meh | 21:04 |
| Dr_Nunim | Yeah just use the latest image | 21:04 |
| Tu13es | cool | 21:04 |
| Dr_Nunim | Make sure you're using flasher 2 | 21:04 |
| Tu13es | hm | 21:04 |
| Tu13es | was gonna use the GUI tool | 21:04 |
| Tu13es | bad idea? | 21:05 |
| Dr_Nunim | If theres a GUI tool that should work. | 21:05 |
| * Dr_Nunim doesn't know anything about Mac. | 21:05 | |
| Dr_Nunim | I thought it was command line like the linux one. | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | The GUI should work, so I've been told. | 21:06 |
| Jaffa | I've not tried it since I got rid of my Mac, but since I'm told it still works I haven't taken it down | 21:07 |
| Tu13es | the official flasher is a command line tool but someone made a GUI one | 21:07 |
| Tu13es | I generally hate the command line, as it hates me | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | Tu13es: yeah, that'd be me :) | 21:07 |
| Tu13es | ah :P | 21:07 |
| Tu13es | does the n770 boot without the MMC inserted? | 21:08 |
| Jaffa | Yes | 21:08 |
| Dr_Nunim | Hrm, can I add an .sh script for doing my cifs mounting? | 21:09 |
| Dr_Nunim | And if so do I add it like a regular debian boot time script? | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | Can do | 21:09 |
| Dr_Nunim | :) | 21:10 |
| Tu13es | USB mode is turning on the device while holding the Home button, right? | 21:12 |
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| Dr_Nunim | Yup. | 21:12 |
| Dr_Nunim | Till the usb symbol appears in top right. | 21:12 |
| Tu13es | hrm | 21:12 |
| Tu13es | that's not working | 21:12 |
| Tu13es | though it worked before.. | 21:13 |
| Tu13es | hrm | 21:13 |
| sp3000 | charger plugged? it doesn't really turn off then | 21:14 |
| Tu13es | nope, unplugged | 21:14 |
| * sp3000 hasn't needed to do the home button dance to flash on N800, not sure if it's maybe necessary on 770 | 21:16 | |
| Dr_Nunim | Wasn't hard for me :o | 21:16 |
| Tu13es | ah, worked with another USB port, weird | 21:16 |
| Dr_Nunim | Now where to find USB risers. | 21:16 |
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| Tu13es | yey, got 2007 installed | 21:20 |
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| ttuttle | Someone name their "must have" apps that will probably run on Hacker 2007. I'm looking for some to install. | 21:52 |
| keesj | sound under sdl. | 21:53 |
| ericz_ | ttuttle, im lovin' this thing | 21:53 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Cool. | 21:54 |
| ttuttle | keesj: What uses SDL? | 21:54 |
| ericz_ | i didn't realize my neighborhood had so much wifi | 21:54 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: lol | 21:54 |
| ttuttle | keesj: I'm getting along fine. | 21:55 |
| ericz_ | i wish freenode had ssl though | 21:55 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Meh. | 21:55 |
| ttuttle | keesj: ? | 21:56 |
| keesj | searching... | 21:57 |
| ttuttle | keesj: Ok. | 21:57 |
| keesj | ttuttle: Sorry I missread you , you want wokring apps! | 21:58 |
| keesj | wat there a gizmo for the n770? | 21:58 |
| keesj | thinking of it what are the real killer apps, moslty video stuff I guess | 21:59 |
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| ericz_ | is there a tor port for the 700? | 22:04 |
| ericz_ | 770* | 22:04 |
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| jani | keesj: what do you mean with "sound under sdl" ? | 22:05 |
| megabyte405 | hey folks | 22:06 |
| keesj | jani: I remember that I tried some sdl games and they did not work on 770 hackers becasue of sound issues | 22:07 |
| keesj | penpop was one of them | 22:07 |
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| jani | well, i dont know about the old platform and their software revisions but as far as i know, two of the games shipping with nXXX's are sdl games and they do have working sound. | 22:08 |
| padrino | without putting a full toolchain together I am having a hard time finding libXmu.so.6 for my n770 (OS 2006). Could someone please point me to a binary? | 22:08 |
| megabyte405 | I see a lot of talking about how to synchronize calendars (which I have been unsuccessful at) - has anyone tried/succeeded at doing the same with Tasks/todo? | 22:09 |
| megabyte405 | Unfortunately with that content there's no "Google Tasks" to synchronize with to ease things | 22:09 |
| jani | blocks atleast was sdl based .. | 22:10 |
| ttuttle | Where can I get "libglade2-0 (>=1:2.3.6)"? mmpc wants it. I'm on Hacker 2007. | 22:11 |
| megabyte405 | ttuttle: did you add the standard bora repositories? I'm fairly certain it's there | 22:12 |
| jani | ttuttle: tried apt-cache search libglade2 ? | 22:12 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: What are they listed? I just add what App Manager asks me to :-\ | 22:12 |
| VimSi | ttuttle: http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en | 22:12 |
| VimSi | i think one of the repos has ist | 22:12 |
| ttuttle | VimSi: Thanks. | 22:12 |
| VimSi | if you get mmpc on the 770 to work | 22:13 |
| VimSi | pls msg me | 22:13 |
| VimSi | i wasn't able to connect to my mpd :( | 22:13 |
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| ttuttle | megabyte405: What's the standard bora repository? | 22:23 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: brb, I'm gonna irc from my n770. | 22:23 |
| megabyte405 | ttuttle: vimsi sent you the link | 22:23 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Oh, I wasn't sure if it was the same thing. | 22:23 |
| megabyte405 | well, that's not the repository itself | 22:24 |
| megabyte405 | it lists them | 22:24 |
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| ttuttle | What's the difference between "Debian Nokia" catalogue at repository.maemo.org and nokia's site? | 22:24 |
| megabyte405 | get debian nokia (which is the maemo repository) | 22:25 |
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| ttuttle | megabyte405: Okay. extras or not? | 22:25 |
| megabyte405 | "Bora Extras" | 22:25 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: or both? | 22:25 |
| megabyte405 | and the other one too | 22:25 |
| megabyte405 | both | 22:25 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: ok | 22:26 |
| ttuttle | And contrib? | 22:26 |
| megabyte405 | sure | 22:26 |
| megabyte405 | really, you can't add too many repositories as long as they're all credible | 22:26 |
| megabyte405 | and the maemo.org ones are | 22:26 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Components? | 22:26 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: free and non-free? user? | 22:27 |
| megabyte405 | click the links for the install files | 22:27 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Wait, on the site? I was entering them by hand :-\ | 22:27 |
| megabyte405 | yeah | 22:28 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Eh, I got it entered already. | 22:29 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Argh, one of them is broken. | 22:29 |
| ttuttle | Why is repo.maemo.org listed as "mistral" for the N800? Isn't N800 bora? | 22:29 |
| megabyte405 | yeah | 22:30 |
| megabyte405 | that one is wrong | 22:30 |
| ttuttle | Is FBreader's repo trustworthy? | 22:30 |
| megabyte405 | it should be bora | 22:30 |
| megabyte405 | I'm not sure | 22:30 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Pidgin? | 22:31 |
| megabyte405 | yeah, that's fine | 22:31 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Ok. | 22:31 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: eko.one.pl? (It has, IIRC, becomeroot and kismet.) | 22:32 |
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| ttuttle | ericz_: HEY! | 22:33 |
| ericz_ | sup? | 22:33 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: N770 FTW! | 22:33 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Are you running 2006 or Hacker 2007? | 22:34 |
| ericz_ | i so want a 2gb rsmmc now. | 22:34 |
| ericz_ | 2006 | 22:34 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Me too. You should try Hacker 2007. It's nice. A little unstable, but UI has some great improvements. | 22:34 |
| ericz_ | too scared to flsh. flash is like a dirty word | 22:34 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Oh, I've done it twice on mine and once on my brother's. It's easy. | 22:35 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: (Just make sure any data you need is backed up and everything's plugged in and charged.) | 22:35 |
| ericz_ | heh, i considered flashing my router for months before i finally did it | 22:35 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: I bought my second one with the knowledge that I would need to flash it to do what I wanted ;-) | 22:36 |
| ericz_ | lol | 22:36 |
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| ericz_ | i was so nervous doing the tftp flash on my v5 wrt54g | 22:37 |
| megabyte405 | ericz: to a linksys firmware or a 3rd party? :) | 22:37 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: How can I tell what packages come from a repo? | 22:37 |
| ericz_ | ddwrt | 22:37 |
| Tu13es | dd-wrt ftw | 22:37 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: DD-WRT FTW^2! | 22:38 |
| ttuttle | megabyte405: Can I trust maemo-hackers.org? | 22:38 |
| Tu13es | i bricked a wrt54g v5 once | 22:38 |
| megabyte405 | yeah | 22:38 |
| Tu13es | i've got a buffalo router that i like much better nw | 22:38 |
| Tu13es | now | 22:38 |
| ericz_ | yeah, i only did it to forward more than 10 ports ad static dhcp | 22:38 |
| ericz_ | worked fine | 22:39 |
| ttuttle | Tu13es: Eh, I've fixed ones I thought were bricked. | 22:39 |
| ttuttle | ericz_: Yeah, I needed it for WDS. | 22:39 |
| Tu13es | this one was bricked | 22:39 |
| ttuttle | Tu13es: Like totally? | 22:39 |
| Tu13es | well, short of possibly reflashing with a JTAG connector or whatever | 22:39 |
| Tu13es | but yeah, I tried _everything_, it was bricked | 22:39 |
| ttuttle | Tu13es: They should just throw in a $0.10 chip that lets you reflash it *directly* using a serial port. | 22:39 |
| ericz_ | i thouht i bricked mine, but i rebooted it and it was fine | 22:40 |
| Tu13es | i agree | 22:40 |
| ttuttle | Cool, this thing runs dnsmasq? | 22:40 |
| ttuttle | So do I. It's cool that a 250 MHz ARM handheld and my home server run the same software. | 22:41 |
| ericz_ | i think this does better than 3 hours battery life | 22:42 |
| ericz_ | maybe? | 22:42 |
| ttuttle | g2g | 22:42 |
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| zuh | ericz_: It depends what you do with it. The wlan chip drains power pretty quickly if it's constantly used. | 22:49 |
| ericz_ | just been on xchat for awhile with occasional browsing | 22:51 |
| ericz_ | seems to be lasting awhile, been connected over 2 hrs, still 2 bars on the battery icon | 22:52 |
| ericz_ | was full when i first connected | 22:52 |
| zuh | Don't trust the battery icon to be too accurate though | 22:54 |
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| ericz_ | lxdoom just made it drop a bar | 22:57 |
| ericz_ | but its awesome | 22:57 |
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| zuh | I can't really get the hang of the controls, it's just too damn difficult to dodge and aim | 22:58 |
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| ericz_ | yeah, turning is weird | 23:04 |
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| zuh | If there was a ministick instead of the dpad, so you could control the movement with that and just aim by stylys with center of the screen being an anchor for a relative movement, *then* it could be cool to play it | 23:08 |
| * zeenix wonders how much he can get out of selling a mac mini and a 17" CRT | 23:08 | |
| zuh | I doubt the CRT will yield much | 23:08 |
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| * zuh would spit on it if someone tried to sell a CRT to me | 23:09 | |
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| ericz_ | wouldnt go well w/ dual lcds | 23:11 |
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| padrino | without putting a full toolchain together I am having a hard time finding libXmu.so.6 for my n770 (OS 2006). Could someone please point me to a binary? | 23:17 |
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| pupnik | Nokia 770 featured in hollywood film: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7050 | 23:32 |
| pupnik | "Live Free or Die Hard" | 23:35 |
| gla55_ | reading those forums, /me wonders who is SeRi@lDiE | 23:35 |
| gla55_ | since i'm in his sig | 23:36 |
| pupnik | hmm | 23:38 |
| gla55_ | ahm found the irc log it's from | 23:38 |
| gla55_ | as i suspected it was about symbian, ha | 23:38 |
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| pupnik | the name is familiar | 23:40 |
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| jpt9 | Does anyone know if it's possible to edit the word completion dictionaries? I'm pretty sure they've picked up a few typos during the last few days. (I just got my Nokia 770 yesterday.) | 23:45 |
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| milhouse | jpt9 - don't think there is, other than a full reset (reflash) | 23:49 |
| milhouse | there problably is a way, but i've never seen it publicised | 23:49 |
| jpt9 | they've gotta be stored somewhere. it seems a bit foolish of Nokia to implement customizable dictionaries, but not implement a separate user dictionary that can be edited if need be. | 23:51 |
| milhouse | welcome to the world of Maemo... ;) | 23:51 |
| jpt9 | lol... | 23:51 |
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| * jpt9 is IRCing from the living room couch. | 23:52 | |
| pupnik | http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html Another issues survey. I got 79% RP, 78% Kent McNaigal, 51% Chuck Hagel, 50% Denis Kucinich | 23:53 |
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| pupnik | Test how your opinions match the candidates: policy based survey at http://www.positivepress.com/president/survey.cgi | 23:55 |
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| jpt9 | where's the pipe key? (it's the chracter above the backslash key on a US QWERTY keyboard) | 23:59 |
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