IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2007-07-01

Dr_Nunimcrashed it00:00
ttuttle_yo ericz! l wrote this message by hand!00:01
ttuttle_lt's not bad.00:01
ericzand I d,d Thi S On e00:02
ttuttle_Sorta annoying, but cool.00:02
ericzI have bad9nd wno00:02
ttuttle_Congrats, that's greato u00:03
Dr_NunimI can't use that handwriting thing for crap.00:03
Dr_NunimMy handwriting is just too bad.00:03
ttuttle_Thisisfun .00:03
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ericzi S4cl aT hig00:03
* ttuttle_ likes the finger keyboard.00:05
ericzit  thinks myster00:05
ericzmy a's are q's00:05
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ttuttleericz: Ah.00:08
ttuttleericz: You need to space things out widely.00:08
ttuttleericz: Otherwise it runs words together.00:08
Dr_NunimAh praise the lord of ftp00:08
ttuttleDr_Nunim: lol00:08
Dr_NunimMakes my life so much easier00:09
Dr_NunimMemory cards bah!00:09
ericzya, it hates me00:09
sorbixanyone know the best way to clean the 770 screen?00:10
sorbixim assuming not windex00:10
Dr_NunimI used windex lol00:10
Dr_NunimSprayed it on the paper towel00:10
Dr_NunimNot on the screen00:10
Dr_NunimIf it ate away some chemical coating, oh well.00:10
Dr_NunimScreen protectors arrive monday.00:11
sorbixwhered you buy them?00:11
blkhawkyou have to be careful - some stuff is really hard on anti glare00:11
Dr_Nunimthis is an anti-glare screen?00:11
Dr_Nunimtake it outside and tell me that :p00:11
ttuttleDr_Nunim: I've used that on my old laptop.00:12
ericzOne mOre try00:12
ericzcaPS sUcKS00:12
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ttuttleericz: lol00:12
sorbixwait you can use anti glare screens on a touchpad?00:12
ttuttleericz: That's not bad, you'll get used to it.00:12
ttuttlesorbix: Um, huh?00:12
ttuttlesorbix: Yeah, if your touchpad has a screen.  (A few do.)00:12
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sorbixi thought it might mess with its sensitivity or something00:13
ericzt c9nt 3ee acolon00:13
ttuttlesorbix: Nah, the surface itself is just a smooth plastic layer.  The electronics are beneath it.00:13
sorbixhaha ericz00:13
ttuttlesorbix: Until yo dry it off, though, it *will* screw with it.  And occasionally it'll get really confused by the "sensations" it gets while it's wet, and you'll need to reboot.00:13
ttuttlesorbix: Shut up :-b00:13
sorbixoh ok00:14
sorbixi can just do it when its off00:14
ericzkeyboard ftw00:14
ttuttleericz: Yeah.00:14
ericzstylus != pencil00:14
ttuttleericz: lol00:15
ttuttleericz: Don't scratch it.00:15
sorbixdoes anyone have a  recommendation for maps for the 770?00:15
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ttuttleCan the N770 use 2GB cards out of the box?00:18
sorbixi dont think so00:18
Dr_NunimI thought they could with the newest OS00:18
Dr_Nunimyeah 1gb for sure00:18
ttuttlebye gotta go00:18
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jga23is there a .bashrc file for the n800?00:24
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Sho_jga23: Busybox' shell is called "ash", so look around for the docs to that and what files it looks at during startup00:29
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Dr_NunimTotal Google searches: 1773600:39
KaylaKazemy db has successfully been copied over to sqlite. yay.. though I probably could have done it easier by writing a syncronization script, especially since I'll have to do that anyway...00:39
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Dr_NunimThat's a decent amount.00:39
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ericzugh, my 770 takes forever to find network  and connect00:40
ericzi get 3 or 4 network errors before it finally connects00:41
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KaylaKazeoh this sucks... sqlite is version 3 but the php is version 200:46
KaylaKazeoh well, doersn't matte. I can just make php create the db00:48
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ericzman, too low of memory to run browser, gaim, and xchat ;/00:51
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Dr_Nunimdid you add swap?00:58
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konttoriericz: HAve you enabled swap?01:03
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KaylaKazeif you're writing a text file in lniux and want a new line, what's the char sequence (like it's \n in windows but that's not working on linux)01:21
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Dr_NunimOf course then I'd need a suit...01:28
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KaylaKazeI made php on 770 write a file of "test\ntest\ntest\n" and that's how the file came out. I did the same in php in windows and it wrote the \n as line breaks (as, I think, it should have)01:28
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ericzgaim sure does give crazy online times02:04
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KaylaKazesweet. I wrote a php script on the 770 to call a php script on my pc and get it to dump the contents of my db so my script on the 770 can reconstruct the db.02:18
ericzi think i love maemo/n77002:25
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KaylaKazeis 103K too big for a web page? :-P02:51
ericmso how well's the 770 play mp3s?02:52
Dr_NunimWhy would 103k be too big?02:53
Dr_Nunim103k is tiny.02:53
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ericzhm mp3 playback isnt too bad.02:57
ericzid still go for my ipod first, though02:57
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ericmaudios nice right up until you start doing something03:00
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yzf600hello all03:03
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yzf600I just picked up a 770 from the woot deal Monday.03:04
yzf600I'm pretty impressed03:04
ericzso did/am i :)03:04
yzf600I'm intersted in an nx client port03:04
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yzf600I saw a few people talking about it in Feb, but no action since then03:04
yzf600Does anyone know any more status on it?03:05
sorbixugh i cant remember how to reorganize the app menu03:10
sorbixim going crazy trying to remember03:10
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Niacinanyone get dun workin on the 770?03:11
trevarthanWhy is the xmame version so old?03:13
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trevarthanxmame is up to like 0.106 or 0.107 now. Why do we only have 0.58?03:14
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KaylaKazeI just had to reboot :-( my web server was giving me 404's when trying to access web pages that were just working and ssh was saying "Server refused to allocate pty"03:34
sorbixwhy would someone run a webserver on the tablets03:35
KaylaKazeI'm running it so I can use html and php to run programs on the tablet without needing to connect to my server back home03:36
sorbixwhat kinds of programs?03:36
KaylaKazeI designed a dynamic character sheet for D&D that stores the data in a database03:37
KaylaKazeusing AJAX03:37
sorbixooh interesting03:37
KaylaKazeI'm trying to get everything all debugged for my game tomorrow so I can use my tablet as my character sheet with autocalculating and whatnot03:38
sorbixthats the geekiest thing ive ever heard, but so awesome03:38
Dr_NunimWhy not do it in say Excel?03:38
KaylaKazethe only problem is it's annoying to subtract hit point's 'cause the tablet's keyboard's minus key is on the symbols page03:39
Dr_NunimCan't you change virtual keyboard map?03:39
KaylaKazeI don't know (about the VK map) I haven't tried03:39
KaylaKazeas for excel, I could but then it wouldn't run in a web browser.03:40
Dr_NunimOh  I guess not seems to be hardware only.03:40
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Dr_NunimGet gnumeric or whatever it's called.03:41
KaylaKazeWell, I'd considered that but it's not as nifty :-P03:41
Dr_NunimTrue :)03:41
KaylaKazeI'm concerened about that pty error and about the nginx saying 404... that was weird.03:42
sorbixno wait i think you can change the layout03:42
sorbixi saw something about that somewhere03:42
KaylaKazeyou can change the layout but it doesn't seem you can customize it03:42
Dr_Nunim2007 has a slightly better layout.03:43
KaylaKazeokay. I've got my database transfered over to the 770. Now to moify the code to use sqlite instead of mysql03:44
trevarthanmaemo has a limited number of ptys. you'll run out quickly.03:44
KaylaKazehow do you use them up so I can avoid it? I don't know what a pty is03:46
KaylaKaze... I was running as root and got a "Permission denied"...03:48
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KaylaKazeis there a way to list a file's contents, like "type" in DOS?03:49
KaylaKazecat is it03:52
Niacinanyone ever done bluetooth dun with 770?03:57
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KaylaKazedammit. It's not working04:05
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ericzis there a way to change the orange background on the 77004:08
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Niacinis there issues with DUN on os 2007 hacker?04:19
ajcoolhey i have a question about pidgin, i have all the repositories in but which actual files do i need under "instantmessaging" just to run AIM04:20
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Niacincan you downgrade os 2007 back to 2006?04:21
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ajcoolwhat is file 'pidgin-l10n pidgin localized04:22
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Dr_NunimNiacin: Yes04:24
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Dr_NunimAjcool: Judging by the size I'd say support for all the messaging clients but I'm not sure.04:24
Dr_NunimInstall it and see?04:24
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NiacinDr_Nunim just flash os2006?04:27
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jpt9I just got an n770.04:31
jpt9It rocks04:31
Dr_NunimYou and 7999 Other people :)04:31
jpt9I'm using irc on it right now.04:31
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KaylaKazeokay... this isn't making any sense04:33
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KaylaKazein one php script, the query runs fine. In the other, the exact same query doesn't04:33
Dr_Nunimwhats the error?04:34
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jpt9This is so awesome04:34
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KaylaKazeit's not giving one. It's just returning as FALSE04:35
KaylaKazeit's supposed to fill the error variable passed to it when that happens but it's not 'cause that variable is coming out empty04:35
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KaylaKazefuck! like 20 minutes trying to find the bug and it turns out it was a typo in my variable name04:37
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ericzat least you found it without punching holes in closet doors (personal experience)04:40
Dr_NunimAny way to reorganize the contacts tab?04:41
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ericz770 needs limewire04:44
Dr_NunimNo java.04:45
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KaylaKazethis is weird... the page is loading fine and sending off the httpxml request fine... but then doesn't do anything04:45
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ericzdoes frostwire  use java too?04:46
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ericzthere goes my dream of warpiratig ;p04:47
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Dr_NunimTorrent & Usenet are still available.04:47
* ericz shrugs04:48
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ericzi dont even have a 2gb card04:48
KaylaKazeoh duh! the xml handling script is in a separate js file04:48
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KaylaKazeand I forgot to copy it04:48
Dr_NunimSo anyone know if I can customize the contacts tab?04:49
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KaylaKazeworks on my desktop... now for the tablet...04:52
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Dr_NunimAnd the crowd goes wild, it's a great shot!04:53
KaylaKazeno to convert the script for writing back to the DB04:54
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Dr_NunimWhy not just do it on the server and use real SQL?04:54
Dr_Nunimor no wifi where you're going to be playing?04:54
KaylaKazeI'm not sure of the wifi status where I'll be04:54
KaylaKazeI know there's a wireless router in the shop but I don't know if it's open04:55
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Dr_NunimJesus this blog has done double the traffic I did all last month in just 2 days.04:57
ericzwhy when i go to open menus, it like flashes white and closs?04:57
Dr_NunimTry rebooting.04:58
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ericzi have, but it always eventually starts again04:58
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ericzrebooting every 10 minuts could get old04:59
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KaylaKazeDr_Nunim: Well, it was 'cause of the Woot deal that manyh of us even found out these things existed05:02
* ericz agrees05:02
Niacindamn it so no one has gotten dun working with a bluetooth phone?05:02
Dr_NunimPlenty of people have :o05:02
Dr_NunimI saw this thing on Wikipedia when I was wiking god knows what and was like, I must own that.05:03
Dr_Nunimbut I couldn't spend quite that much, but once it was on Woot...05:03
Dr_Nunimmmm... bargin..05:03
KaylaKazeyep, I wouldn't have spent over $15005:05
KaylaKazeWhoa! brainstorm!05:05
KaylaKazeI can use VNC for reading!05:06
KaylaKazethat way I'm not killing the thing's memory loading a comic book05:06
ericzis claws mail any good?05:06
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ericznice, i install new software but cant open menu to use it05:08
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Wzrd2I'm new to Linux and the 770.. how do I install apps on the 770?05:09
Wzrd2I'm trying to install the minimo browser05:09
Wzrd2I also want to install flash 9 for the browser once I can get it installed05:11
Dr_NunimFlash 9 = nopers05:11
Dr_NunimMinimo = no probs05:11
Wzrd2flash 9 doesn't work?05:11
Dr_NunimNo SDK for it even.05:11
Wzrd2bummer cuz it says it's for firefox/mozilla on linux05:11
Wzrd2oh.. duh I just realized it's for x8605:12
Wzrd2we cant upgrade flash on the opera browser either, right?05:13
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Wzrd2cuz 6 sux05:14
Wzrd2there isn't any other higher version of flash avaliable for the 770, right?05:14
Dr_NunimI can help you install Minimo though.05:15
Wzrd2how do I install apps on the 770?05:15
Dr_NunimApplication Manager05:15
Wzrd2I tried but it gives me an error05:15
Wzrd2I downloaded all the libraries and the minimo files05:16
Wzrd2tried installing from the memory card and also tried installing by copying to the internal memory05:16
Wzrd2it says "can't install..missing files even though they are there" the missing files point to the libraries05:17
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KaylaKazehmmm underestimated how long it take to send the screen data over the net...05:22
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Dr_NunimWzrd2: the easiet way would be to add the correct repositories and let application manager do the work.05:25
Dr_Nunimadd the one minimo says to add05:25
Dr_Nunimas well as Web address - http://repository.maemo.org05:25
Dr_NunimDistribution - herring05:25
Dr_NunimComponents - main05:25
Dr_NunimThat'll satisfy the required dependencies.05:25
Niacindude this is trying me crazy05:35
Niacinwhen i try to pair it says "no services"05:36
Niacinbut it works fine in windows05:36
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ttuttleIf I flash 2007 hacker on my n770, can I reinstall 2006 later if I change my mind?05:50
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ttuttleDr_Nunim: The normal way?05:51
Dr_NunimYou use the same flasher.05:51
ttuttleDr_Nunim: Cool.05:51
ttuttleDr_Nunim: Is there anything cool or new in hacker?05:51
Dr_NunimEh, some minor interface improvements and such.05:51
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Dr_NunimIt seems a little faster.05:51
ttuttleDr_Nunim: Cool.  Does sound work?05:51
Dr_NunimThe clicking noise did, I didn't try and play media.05:51
ttuttleDr_Nunim: (I heard it didn't.)05:51
ttuttleDr_Nunim: (You don't have it right now?)05:52
Dr_NunimI went back to 2006.05:52
Dr_NunimWas having issues with my applications in 2007.05:52
* ttuttle is flashing.05:55
ttuttleFlashed.  Rebooting, I hope.05:58
ttuttleProgress bar is moving.05:58
ttuttleOh, it just lies.  Never mind.05:58
Dr_NunimOnly took me around 3 minutes.05:58
Dr_NunimSo, anyone know how to customize the contacts area?06:01
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ericzmine's being weird, i guess its just memory06:06
ericzlike, menus flash white and close06:07
ericzand i have to reboot06:07
KaylaKazethere's something kinda nice about carrying your own http server around with you06:08
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ttuttleKaylaKaze: hehe06:08
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ttuttleWhoa, Hacker 2007 ROCKS!06:11
ttuttleIt's faster, has a few more features, and (most importantly) is *much* prettier.06:12
ttuttle(And it's so cuuute, it thinks it's an N800!)06:12
Niacinman this is shitting me ;\06:19
Wzrd2can you elaborate on the install process, nunim?06:20
Wzrd2I downloaded all the files inclucding the libries needed and put them in the same directory06:20
Wzrd2double clicked on minimo and it asked if I wanted to install.  then it erroed saying I was missing the libraries even though they are in the same directory06:21
Niacinwhere does the 770 keeps its logs?06:21
Wzrd2stupid user manual on maemo page gets a 404 error06:23
Dr_NunimWzrd2, just use the repositories it's much easier.06:24
Wzrd2please explain how to do that i'm not familar with linux06:26
ttuttleHacker OS rocks!06:27
Wzrd2sorry to be stupid. With a pc i'm an expert but I just got my 770 today and am not familiar with linux06:27
Dr_Nunimbut instead of the ones listed use06:27
Dr_Nunimweb address:
Dr_NunimDistribution: bora06:27
Dr_NunimComponents: user06:27
Dr_NunimWeb address - http://repository.maemo.org06:27
Dr_NunimDistribution - herring06:27
Dr_NunimComponents - main06:27
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Wzrd2and then install minimo?06:31
Wzrd2from the list?06:31
Dr_NunimGo Install New > All > Scroll Down to minimo and install.06:32
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Wzrd2thanks.. so from reading his faqs, anything on the app catalog from maemo you add the repository from whatever the app says then install?06:33
Wzrd2that would be for installing any app or game on the 770??06:34
Dr_NunimPretty much.06:34
Wzrd2that's pretty easy then06:34
Wzrd2do you always have to gain root access for every install?06:35
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Dr_NunimYou rarely need root.06:36
Dr_NunimI was just giving you an example how to install a repository.06:36
Wzrd2ok so I cAN SKIP THAT STEP06:36
Wzrd2oops...stupid caps lock06:36
Dr_Nunimjust install the repositorys06:37
Dr_Nunimand go to add application06:37
Dr_Nunimscroll to minimo06:37
Dr_Nunimdouble click06:37
Dr_Nunimit'll say somet hings06:37
Dr_Nunimclick ok06:37
Dr_Nunimand it'll install06:37
Dr_NunimThen it'll be in Extras > Minimo06:37
Wzrd2cool it worked! thanks.. now we need a later version of flash which works on the 77006:41
KaylaKazeyay! DND sheet all working!06:42
Wzrd2now to try and install doom :)06:42
Dr_NunimDoom is easy :)06:45
Wzrd2how does it run06:46
Wzrd2is it smooth?06:46
Dr_NunimSmooth enough.06:47
Wzrd2so it's a little jerky but not bad?06:49
Dr_NunimIt's doom afterall..06:50
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[spec]is there a howto to get airodump working on the 770?06:56
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sorbixman playing doom with the stylus sucks so much ass07:01
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[spec]i thought it was kinda cool07:05
[spec]much better than playing doom on the iPod07:05
Wzrd2doom is kinda cool but there's no monsters07:05
[spec]i only played for about 35 seconds07:06
[spec]can you load your own wad files?07:07
Wzrd2is the os 2007 hacker edition way better?07:09
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KaylaKazethis is weird. Firefox isn't processing my havascript but it's not throwing any errors either...07:27
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KaylaKazeand tracked down (hopefully) to a missing )07:30
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reverendnathanWell howdy there, strangers! I got a question that perchance has been asked time and time again, but I want to ask it once more.07:31
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reverendnathanWhat support/development can the maemo community itself do to have Flash 7,8, or 9 on the tablet build of Linux? I'm interested in forming a development team if it's just the problem of getting the source onto the system.07:32
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Dr_NunimFlash 9 is out of the question.07:35
Dr_NunimFor flash 8, you could try intergrating it with minimo07:35
reverendnathanWhat would the limitation of Flash 9 be? Since Adobe did build it for linux...07:36
reverendnathanActually, Flash 8 doesn't exist for Linux, sorry07:36
reverendnathanThey leaped from 7 to 907:36
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Dr_NunimI was lead to believe they didn't release the SDK for flash 9 yet07:39
Dr_NunimThats why linux opera doesn't have it.07:39
dragornThey released a flash 9 plugin some months ago for linux.  Flash 8 never happened for linux.07:43
rhysflash 7 is for opera though07:43
rhysim pretty sure flash 9 on opera doesnt work for linux?07:43
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GeneralAntillesUKTube has reduced my desire for Flash 9 a bit.07:47
Dr_NunimI knew I read that somewhere.07:47
rhysGeneralAntilles, why is that?07:48
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rhyswhat is the opera on maemo? opera mini? full opera compiled by opera?07:48
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reverendnathanSeems to be full opera ripped and gutted and totally modified07:52
reverendnathanSo why doesn't maemo get together a team to use the Flash 7 SDK and make flash 7 worakble? At least at that rate, YouTube and GV will work07:53
rhyswith operas consent? nokia buy some dev rights or buy a custom opera from opera?07:53
rhysreverendnathan, doesnt it already have flash 7?07:54
reverendnathanFlash 607:55
reverendnathanOn OS2006 here, though07:55
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rhysoh right08:04
rhysi bought the n800 because i thought the n770 would be nice as a little linux device, but it seemed too underpowered to do what it was supposed to do. webrowsing and multimedia08:05
Dr_NunimI don't think 770 is underpowered.08:10
Dr_NunimFor heavy flash/ajax maybe.08:10
reverendnathanCertainly if I was directly in the market I would have gone with the N800, but as you guys heard, the N770 was $129 on woot so I grabbed it there08:13
reverendnathanPretty damn satisfied, and youtube is really the only stake in the coffin, really08:14
rhysreverendnathan, 225$ for the n80008:14
Dr_NunimYeah $130, can't argue.08:15
Dr_NunimI've spent more on junk.08:15
Dr_Nunimi.e. breadmaker.08:16
rhyshey now08:16
rhysbreadmakers are so worth it08:16
Dr_NunimNo, I made bread one time.08:16
reverendnathanI make bread by hand, can't imagine a maker really saving too much time08:17
rhysthe point of a breadmaker is to allow you to make bread easily08:17
Dr_NunimEh, it's a pain to clean.08:17
Dr_NunimGranted it makes some very good cinnamon buns.08:17
Dr_Nunimbut I'm lazy...08:17
KaylaKazethis d&D character sheet better be able to get me a job. It's pretty damn impressive IMO :-P08:19
KaylaKazeit looks almost just like the paper one08:19
KaylaKazeI still have to add user authentification though08:20
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ajcoolhi can someone please answer me a quick question about gaining root08:23
ajcooli type sudo gainroot after installing the required repositoires, but when i do an ls under the 'root' dir all i see are MyDocs and apps08:23
ajcooli'm trying to get into my memory card08:23
ajcoolright now i see /home/user # (cursor)08:24
ajcooli'm trying to do "cd media" it says cannot cd to media08:27
Dr_Nunimcd /media/mmc1/08:30
ajcoolbut when i type "ls" all i see are MyDocs and apps folder08:30
ajcooli type sudo gainroot, then it says "root shell enabled"08:32
ajcoolcomes up to08:32
ajcool./home/user # (cursor)08:32
Dr_Nunim[01:29] <Dr_Nunim> cd /media/mmc1/08:32
ajcoolwhy is that so specific08:33
Dr_Nunimif you just type cd media08:33
Dr_Nunimit relative path08:33
Dr_Nunimso it would go to media08:33
Dr_Nunimtyping cd /media/08:33
Dr_Nunimmeans go to base then media08:33
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Dr_NunimCommon linux goodyness.08:35
rhysso specific? werid? thats not specific. thats like telling someone to "to get to my house you drive 20 miles west."....if you dont give them a starting location, they assume it to be wherever they are currently at...08:36
ajcooleh w/e as long as i get the end result08:37
* Dr_Nunim can't believe the number of people not using swap.08:37
`0660i'm one of them :)08:52
`0660haven't seen the need for it yet08:52
KaylaKazethis thing says I have 15 MB of pictures...08:54
KaylaKazeI'd like to know where 'cause I don't see 'em nor did I put them theer08:54
Dr_NunimIt coems with some.08:55
`0660sure you didn't :)08:55
`0660blame the software :)08:55
KaylaKazeunless it's just counting any picture files, like from games08:55
KaylaKazeI'd like Nethack much more if it had a better map generator09:00
Dr_NunimI never played it, anygood?09:01
KaylaKazehow could you never have played Nethack?09:02
KaylaKazethe version on the 770 is one of the better I've seen09:06
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Dr_NunimWhy does this look like something I don't want to play.09:10
* Dr_Nunim holds out for master of magic.09:10
Dr_NunimMan that would make a great port.09:10
rhysKaylaKaze, how fooking 1337 do you have to be to play nethack?!09:10
Dr_Nunimlol, I'd bet it looks more like the windows version09:11
Dr_Nunimnot the asci lol09:11
rhysim this is like the uberness of 1337ness. D&D, text based, ascii based, ported to linux on an arm device, played via cli.09:12
KaylaKazeI'd play it all the time if it's map generator didn't suck09:12
KaylaKazethe 770 version is graphical09:13
`0660i wish i was leet09:18
`0660do you feel the same?09:18
* Dr_Nunim plays a mud.09:19
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jkinggood morning14:56
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r3trohello! some months ago i  got my new n800 and defined a code for device lock. now i have locked the device by accident and because i forgot the code and  the device didn't ask the code before locking i have a problem now.15:24
r3troi can still ssh into the device and become root. but the code and the lock seems to be defined in flash. and the flasher doesnt support setting or disabling device lock.15:25
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inzr3tro, afaik you need to take the device to service point if you've lost the code15:25
r3troi found way to check a code via dbus, and try to brute-force hack my lock code, but now im at code 1.500.000 but no luck yet. i don't if my script works...15:26
r3trothis is the dbus command:  dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request string:'12345'15:27
r3troif one of you could do me a favor: lock your device (you should know your code), ssh into it and sumit the command above with your code? so i could verify that my brute-force script has a chance?15:28
KaylaKazeI don't think Canola likes my shared media... I think I have too much that it can't load the list...15:30
inzr3tro, dbus-names.h in mce-dev package says that it takes it encrypted15:33
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r3troinz: argh! do you have a link for me to that file?15:35
inzr3tro, not the the file, but to the deb package, yes15:36
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r3troinz, thank you. what strange: if i "dbus-monitor --system" as root and enter a code via user interface, dbus-monitor shows only the following event15:38
r3trosignal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged15:38
r3trobut no validate_devicelock_code, so it seems that the ui doesnt check the devicelock via dbus....15:39
r3troinz, do you know how the nokia service point handles such a case? do they have a special flasher or what?15:46
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inzr3tro, I think you only see signals with monitor15:49
inzr3tro, and no idea what they would do15:49
r3troinz, only signals: seems plausible. thank you!15:52
inzr3tro, btw, you can get the device out of locked state by reflashing, the code is not reset however15:53
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r3troinz, yes i read that :-/15:58
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KaylaKazeis there a way to reset the GUI? I have a menu popup that won't go away and apparently the system forgot it's there 'cause I click right through it16:06
r3troinz, i can now use my device again: i replaced /sbin/devlock-blocker with an empty bash script, and /usr/bin/systemui with a bash script with sleep 10 as the only argument (this seems to be the devcode ui, it gets restartet after termination until the code is deactivated)16:08
KaylaKazeI've got cifs working now to my desktop shares. yay!16:08
r3troinz, but i cant deativate my devlock code  because the system dialog requests the old code first. how stupid is that!16:09
Sho_KaylaKaze: Did you build cifs.ko yourself? I use fanoush's antique module because I'm too lazy to build my own - would be interested in yours if you have a newer one ;)16:09
r3troinz, so i have to keep my hack or go to nokia service point (and i think they would send it to nokia, i don't think they can handle this by themselves)16:10
KaylaKazeno, I didn't build it. I don't know how it got installed16:12
KaylaKazeI used appman to install some samba stuff so maybe that did it16:12
KaylaKazeis there a way to make the device scan for wlan on startup and autoconnect if it sees a particular access point?16:12
Sho_that's what it does here, actually16:13
KaylaKazemine might after I start web browser or something (I'm not sure) but it doesn't connect immediately on startup16:14
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r3troKaylaKaze, mine connects immediately, too. even when it's locked :-)16:16
r3troSho_, but maybe we have installed a package that performs an internet request at startup and triggers the wlan connection?16:16
KaylaKazeI wonder why mine won't. Plus mine always asks for what connection to connect to16:16
Sho_I just configured my connection in Control Panel and that was that16:17
Sho_If it was connected prior to shutdown, it will auto-reconnect after startup16:17
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KaylaKazeweird... Canola won't load files from my mounted cifs folder. I can't open them in Audio Player 'cause it seems the file list is so big that it crashes16:18
Sho_KaylaKaze: Primarily Maemo's "Open" dialog takes forever on large CIFS mounts because it descends into every directory and counts the number of items and so on and so on, I found16:19
Sho_KaylaKaze: I play stuff from CIFS via mplayer in XTerm ;)16:19
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KaylaKazeI don't like using xterm on the tablet 'cause typing sucks16:20
KaylaKazeI think I got Canola working on it now16:20
suihkulokkiKaylaKaze: canola and the built-in mediaplayer support UPNP, might be easier to setup than CIFS16:21
KaylaKazeCanola won't work with my uPNP 'cause tghere's too much stuff16:22
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KaylaKazeis thee a way in a .sh file to prompt for the use to enter a pw and use that pw in the script as a variable?16:30
Niacinanyone here actually got bluetooth dun working on the 770?16:33
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KaylaKazeyay! I got canola to work with uPnP streaming!17:05
KaylaKazevideo's choppy but still cool17:05
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KaylaKazeapparently with UPnP, you can't fast forward and rewind :-(17:22
KaylaKazemplayer sucks really bad :-(17:28
Sho_how so?17:28
KaylaKazebarely works for 117:29
KaylaKazeand plain doesn't for video17:30
KaylaKazewhile playing mp3, I had to use kill to stop it17:30
KaylaKazevideo almost completely locked the system, but it crashed soon after so that freed up the lock17:30
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KaylaKazethe inteface is nonexistant and it uses the default file browser17:31
KaylaKazethe only program I've seen so far to use a decent file browser is FBReader17:31
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KaylaKazeand WTF is up with these UPnP listing songs by their title? Songs don't go on their discs in alphabetical order!17:32
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Sho_KaylaKaze: hm works fine here17:38
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devKaylaKaze: if the UPnP client doesn't do sorting on its own (which isn't its task normally), the sorting depends on the UPnP MediaServer17:42
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KaylaKazeI figured that was the case. I was referring to the server17:44
MoRpHeUzwhere do you guys buy your n800's car holder here in Finland ?17:44
KaylaKazeI think this one kinda sucks 'cause it doesn't give me an option to scan for playlists and auto-import them17:45
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KaylaKazesomehow my c:\ got del *.* !18:00
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KaylaKazemy c:\ got del *.* somehome! :-/18:06
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KaylaKazeIrc on 770 is not fun18:25
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KaylaKazeThe results of my scan are odd...18:34
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PadrinoI have been trying to install Plutohome packages but I cant find libxsb,libxmu among others, any pointers to arepo with them?18:55
KaylaKazeThis is odd. SimpleCenter seems to have made a ton of files in my c:\ when installed, then deleted them.18:57
KaylaKazeMaybe it nuked my stuff in the process.18:58
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KaylaKaze:-( you can only connect to 1 irc server at a time in xchat19:05
melmothKaylaKaze, try again, you can.19:06
melmothat least it works here.19:06
KaylaKazeI've got file scavenger trying to recover my nuked files but normal search didn't find them so exhaustive search is going on... slowly19:09
KaylaKazeBut that may be overkill. I don't think anything important was lost. Just some nice script files :-(19:10
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tom_I've got a problem.  I'm running Hacker 2007 on an N770, and the App Manager forgot about all the apps I installed.19:44
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ttuttleHow can I fix that?19:46
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ttuttleIt's all based on apt, right?19:47
ttuttle(Is anyone here?)19:47
* Sho_ is here, but doesn't know19:49
ttuttleAnd I keep getting "Operation failed" when I try to update the application list.19:49
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Sho_ttuttle: That's often due to a repos in the list that went down or is otherwise unreachable, I find19:50
ttuttleSho_: Would that mess up the local app list too?19:50
Sho_ttuttle: I don't think so, no19:51
ttuttleSho_: Yeah, I'm worried that a previous install messed up (perhaps the disk filled up) and blew away the installed apps list.19:52
Sho_Unfortunately I'm a Gentoo user on the desktop, so I'm not very familar with the on-disk structures of apt/dpkg either19:52
ttuttleSho_: I'm thinking I might just have to reflash it.19:52
ttuttleSho_: /me likes Gentoo too.19:53
Sho_I figured by your hostmask ;)19:53
ttuttleSho_: ;-)19:53
Sho_Marcus from Gentoo will hold a Gentoo & KDE talk on our developers conference later today :)19:54
* ttuttle is flashing... :-\19:56
Sho_I got my N800 two weeks ago with the latest firmware pre-installed, so no flashing experience yet either ;)19:56
ttuttleSho_: You have an N800?  Grr...19:56
Sho_In my defense, I didn't have an N770 when that was hip19:57
ttuttleSho_: Grr.19:58
ttuttleSho_: Yours has a camera.  Only dumb, *consumer* gadgets have *cameras*.  *Mine* is *31337*-er! ;-)19:58
Sho_I think calling it a camera is a little inappropriate though19:59
Sho_I'd go with "pixel coloration device"19:59
ttuttleSho_: More like a multi-pixel brightness sensor with oclor filters?19:59
Sho_Based on the image quality ...19:59
ttuttleSho_: lol19:59
Sho_yeah that fits it :)19:59
ttuttleSho_: My phone (Samsung SGH-A707) actually has a nice camera, and I can OBEX push stuff from/to it ;-)19:59
Sho_I have a crappy Moto Razr V3 that I chose because it didn't cost me anything in a contract extension and because it was nicely thin ;)20:00
Sho_Bluetoothing to it from the N800 works fine, but the camera isn't much better20:00
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ttuttleSho_: /me has a shiny new "Nokia N800".20:00
ttuttleSho_: Or at least it thinks so.20:01
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KaylaKazeI should try harder to get my phone and 770 to share files. My phone has a 1GB SD in it20:01
Sho_As for the N800, I saw and knew I needed to have one ;)20:01
KaylaKazethat's on 770 too20:02
ttuttleSho_: what is it?20:02
KaylaKazethe LCARS theme20:02
Sho_ttuttle: It's a theme for the OS that is reminiscent of the computer interface graphics on the modern Star Trek TV shows20:02
ttuttleSho_: Ah.20:03
Sho_ttuttle: Which is appropriate, because those shows features an assortment of touchscreen handhelds called "padds":
KaylaKazeI've looked at the files for theme making and there are LOTS of files you'd need to modify20:03
ttuttleSho_: What is the "internal memory card" on the N80020:03
Sho_Of course, the hostname of my N800 is now "padd", too ;)20:03
Sho_ttuttle: There's a second SD slot under the battery cover20:03
Sho_That's the "Internal" one20:04
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ttuttleSho_: Ah.  Do the N770's have that?20:04
Sho_When I bought my N800 there was a 128 MB Mini-SD card in a Mini-SD-to-SD adapter in the box, I put that into the internal slot and set up the OS to use it as swap space. The external slots hold a 2 GB higher-end card from SanDisk.20:04
Sho_ttuttle: dunno20:05
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KaylaKazettuttle: The extra memory? no20:05
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ttuttleWhat app catalogues can I trust?20:13
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ttuttleSho_: I was pissed.  I tried using a 16 MB swapfile on the stock 64 MB card, and I was playing music off it too.  Bad idea, everything skips.20:16
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jpt9hey.  how's it going?20:27
* jpt9 is running 2007 hacker edition on his 770.20:28
jpt9it's quite awesome.20:28
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Sho_ttuttle: I network-mount my music collection via CIFS20:31
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Tu13esI just got a n770 a few days ago20:33
kulvelardman|gone: that thesis didn't include any code, just explanation (too highlevel for us) about what was done..20:33
Tu13esbeen doing some reading, but i can't really figure out - why would I want to install OS 2007 hacker edition?20:33
Tu13esthat is, what will that give me that OS 2006 doesn't?20:33
* Sho_ never used 2006 and thus doesn't know specifically20:34
kulveTu13es: I think it has newer software (desktop, app.mgr) and thus can more easily use stuff made for n800..20:34
Tu13esworth the trouble to upgrade?20:34
Sho_Given that it's a major release, I assume pretty much everything has been updated in some fashion20:34
Sho_It seems like most people in the Maemo community are still on N770, hmhm20:35
kulveI can't say about that, since I haven't tried it ever (I have n800). Some people are happy with it20:35
samiam010203when i flashed my 770 with hacker edition all that kept happining was i was getting random reboots of my 770 so i went back to the it os 2006 and no more reboots20:35
Tu13esmy gf is interested in my n770, I might give that to her and pick up an n800 instead20:35
kulveTu13es: if you haven't yet spent too much time on your 2006, flash the 2007 and check it out20:35
Tu13esI wish the N800 wasn't like $230 more than the N770, heh20:36
samiam010203im going to get an n800 for x-mass i  think20:36
samiam010203by then it should be cheaper20:36
Sho_340€ seemed like a pretty good deal to me20:37
ericzanyone know off hand what size wallpapers should be for the 770?20:37
samiam010203yes thats what im using and it give a nice crisp image20:38
kulvethe reso is 800x480, but the task navigator takes something off it20:39
samiam010203it would be cool if there was an opption to auto hide the navigatore and then tap to get it back20:40
kulvemost apps supports the full screen mode which partly covers that20:40
samiam010203thats true20:41
kulveofc, if you want fullscreen home with applets..20:41
kulvebut then you can't start anything (expect with the launcher applet)20:41
samiam010203no you would hide the taskpan and then tap to bring it back into view20:41
kulvemaybe the fullscreen button could do that? Hide tasknav and the home menu. Leave the status bar with its plugins..20:42
samiam010203let me ask you something20:42
samiam010203i just ordered an 512mb rs-mmc for the 77020:43
samiam010203if i alocate 256mb of ram to the device would that help with the device not freezing up or rebooting if i decided to put on hack os 2007?20:43
samiam010203because right now im just using the ram that came with it ... i beleive its 64mb20:44
kulveHard to say. Reboots are cause by so many issues. The swap can help if the reboots are caused by memory issues..20:44
samiam010203what would happen is when i would start hacker edition, and then go to click for the menu it would reboot20:45
samiam010203or sometime opera would crash and cause a reboot20:45
samiam010203i was thinking it was because it needed more ram to run the hacker edition20:46
kulverebooting on menu click sounds odd. Opera can take quite a lot of memory depending on the www-pages, so the swap might help there..20:46
samiam010203i would get random reboots on the menu clicks20:46
samiam010203i would hit for the menu and whamo...a reboot20:47
samiam010203thats why i think it was a matter of not enough ram20:47
ericzi get times when my 770, i go to click a menu item, to get to like the secondary menu, and it just flashes white and closes20:47
ericzbut it's not really running slow, just the menus don't like to show20:47
samiam010203i realy wish they would not have closed the development of the 77020:48
samiam010203its such a good device20:48
samiam010203even when i do get an n800 ill still utilize the 77020:48
samiam010203i wish they could at least update the opera and flash just for youtube :) but thats a wet dream of mine that im sure will not be met20:49
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ericzwhat format should 770 wallpapers be?20:50
ericzpng? jpg?20:50
ericzk, thanks20:50
ericzah! "unable to open not enough memory" when i try to change the wallpaper..20:54
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Tu13eswhen installing IT2007HE on my n770, can I use these directions just with the new OS file?
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kulveI don't know a thing about osx, but afaik, the he-edition is normal "firmware" image, so it should be flashable normally..21:01
Dr_NunimYou're on OSX?21:02
Tu13esyeah, I am21:03
Dr_NunimMacs are evillllllll!21:04
Dr_Nunimbut besides that.21:04
Dr_NunimYeah just use the latest image21:04
Dr_NunimMake sure you're using flasher 221:04
Tu13eswas gonna use the GUI tool21:04
Tu13esbad idea?21:05
Dr_NunimIf theres a GUI tool that should work.21:05
* Dr_Nunim doesn't know anything about Mac.21:05
Dr_NunimI thought it was command line like the linux one.21:05
JaffaThe GUI should work, so I've been told.21:06
JaffaI've not tried it since I got rid of my Mac, but since I'm told it still works I haven't taken it down21:07
Tu13esthe official flasher is a command line tool but someone made a GUI one21:07
Tu13esI generally hate the command line, as it hates me21:07
JaffaTu13es: yeah, that'd be me :)21:07
Tu13esah :P21:07
Tu13esdoes the n770 boot without the MMC inserted?21:08
Dr_NunimHrm, can I add an .sh script for doing my cifs mounting?21:09
Dr_NunimAnd if so do I add it like a regular debian boot time script?21:09
JaffaCan do21:09
Tu13esUSB mode is turning on the device while holding the Home button, right?21:12
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Dr_NunimTill the usb symbol appears in top right.21:12
Tu13esthat's not working21:12
Tu13esthough it worked before..21:13
sp3000charger plugged? it doesn't really turn off then21:14
Tu13esnope, unplugged21:14
* sp3000 hasn't needed to do the home button dance to flash on N800, not sure if it's maybe necessary on 77021:16
Dr_NunimWasn't hard for me :o21:16
Tu13esah, worked with another USB port, weird21:16
Dr_NunimNow where to find USB risers.21:16
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Tu13esyey, got 2007 installed21:20
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ttuttleSomeone name their "must have" apps that will probably run on Hacker 2007.  I'm looking for some to install.21:52
keesjsound under sdl.21:53
ericz_ttuttle,  im lovin' this thing21:53
ttuttleericz_: Cool.21:54
ttuttlekeesj: What uses SDL?21:54
ericz_i didn't realize my neighborhood had so much wifi21:54
ttuttleericz_: lol21:54
ttuttlekeesj: I'm getting along fine.21:55
ericz_i wish freenode had ssl though21:55
ttuttleericz_: Meh.21:55
ttuttlekeesj: ?21:56
ttuttlekeesj: Ok.21:57
keesjttuttle: Sorry I missread you , you want wokring apps!21:58
keesjwat there a gizmo for the n770?21:58
keesjthinking of it what are the real killer apps, moslty video stuff I guess21:59
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ericz_is there a tor port for the 700?22:04
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janikeesj: what do you mean with "sound under sdl" ?22:05
megabyte405hey folks22:06
keesjjani: I remember that I tried some sdl games and they did not work on 770 hackers becasue of sound issues22:07
keesjpenpop was one of them22:07
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janiwell, i dont know about the old platform and their software revisions but as far as i know, two of the games shipping with nXXX's are sdl games and they do have working sound.22:08
padrinowithout putting a full toolchain together I am having a hard time finding for my n770 (OS 2006). Could someone please point me to a binary?22:08
megabyte405I see a lot of talking about how to synchronize calendars (which I have been unsuccessful at) - has anyone tried/succeeded at doing the same with Tasks/todo?22:09
megabyte405Unfortunately with that content there's no "Google Tasks" to synchronize with to ease things22:09
janiblocks atleast was sdl based ..22:10
ttuttleWhere can I get "libglade2-0 (>=1:2.3.6)"?  mmpc wants it.  I'm on Hacker 2007.22:11
megabyte405ttuttle: did you add the standard bora repositories?  I'm fairly certain it's there22:12
janittuttle: tried apt-cache search libglade2 ?22:12
ttuttlemegabyte405: What are they listed?  I just add what App Manager asks me to :-\22:12
VimSii think one of the repos has ist22:12
ttuttleVimSi: Thanks.22:12
VimSiif you get mmpc on the 770 to work22:13
VimSipls msg me22:13
VimSii wasn't able to connect to my mpd :(22:13
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ttuttlemegabyte405: What's the standard bora repository?22:23
ttuttlemegabyte405: brb, I'm gonna irc from my n770.22:23
megabyte405ttuttle: vimsi sent you the link22:23
ttuttlemegabyte405: Oh, I wasn't sure if it was the same thing.22:23
megabyte405well, that's not the repository itself22:24
megabyte405it lists them22:24
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ttuttleWhat's the difference between "Debian Nokia" catalogue at and nokia's site?22:24
megabyte405get debian nokia (which is the maemo repository)22:25
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ttuttlemegabyte405: Okay.  extras or not?22:25
megabyte405"Bora Extras"22:25
ttuttlemegabyte405: or both?22:25
megabyte405and the other one too22:25
ttuttlemegabyte405: ok22:26
ttuttleAnd contrib?22:26
megabyte405really, you can't add too many repositories as long as they're all credible22:26
megabyte405and the ones are22:26
ttuttlemegabyte405: Components?22:26
ttuttlemegabyte405: free and non-free?  user?22:27
megabyte405click the links for the install files22:27
ttuttlemegabyte405: Wait, on the site?  I was entering them by hand :-\22:27
ttuttlemegabyte405: Eh, I got it entered already.22:29
ttuttlemegabyte405: Argh, one of them is broken.22:29
ttuttleWhy is listed as "mistral" for the N800?  Isn't N800 bora?22:29
megabyte405that one is wrong22:30
ttuttleIs FBreader's repo trustworthy?22:30
megabyte405it should be bora22:30
megabyte405I'm not sure22:30
ttuttlemegabyte405: Pidgin?22:31
megabyte405yeah, that's fine22:31
ttuttlemegabyte405: Ok.22:31
ttuttlemegabyte405:  (It has, IIRC, becomeroot and kismet.)22:32
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ttuttleericz_: HEY!22:33
ericz_ sup?22:33
ttuttleericz_: N770 FTW!22:33
ttuttleericz_: Are you running 2006 or Hacker 2007?22:34
ericz_i so want a 2gb rsmmc now.22:34
ttuttleericz_: Me too.  You should try Hacker 2007.  It's nice.  A little unstable, but UI has some great improvements.22:34
ericz_too scared to flsh. flash is like a dirty word22:34
ttuttleericz_: Oh, I've done it twice on mine and once on my brother's.  It's easy.22:35
ttuttleericz_: (Just make sure any data you need is backed up and everything's plugged in and charged.)22:35
ericz_heh, i considered flashing my router for months before i finally  did it22:35
ttuttleericz_: I bought my second one with the knowledge that I would need to flash it to do what I wanted ;-)22:36
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ericz_i was so nervous doing the tftp flash on my v5 wrt54g22:37
megabyte405ericz: to a linksys firmware or a 3rd party? :)22:37
ttuttlemegabyte405: How can I tell what packages come from a repo?22:37
Tu13esdd-wrt ftw22:37
ttuttleericz_: DD-WRT FTW^2!22:38
ttuttlemegabyte405: Can I trust
Tu13esi bricked a wrt54g v5 once22:38
Tu13esi've got a buffalo router that i like much better nw22:38
ericz_yeah, i only did it to forward more than 10 ports ad static dhcp22:38
ericz_worked fine22:39
ttuttleTu13es: Eh, I've fixed ones I thought were bricked.22:39
ttuttleericz_: Yeah, I needed it for WDS.22:39
Tu13esthis one was bricked22:39
ttuttleTu13es: Like totally?22:39
Tu13eswell, short of possibly reflashing with a JTAG connector or whatever22:39
Tu13esbut yeah, I tried _everything_, it was bricked22:39
ttuttleTu13es: They should just throw in a $0.10 chip that lets you reflash it *directly* using a serial port.22:39
ericz_i thouht i bricked mine, but i rebooted it and it was fine22:40
Tu13esi agree22:40
ttuttleCool, this thing runs dnsmasq?22:40
ttuttleSo do I.  It's cool that a 250 MHz ARM handheld and my home server run the same software.22:41
ericz_i think this does better than 3 hours battery life22:42
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zuhericz_: It depends what you do with it. The wlan chip drains power pretty quickly if it's constantly used.22:49
ericz_just been on xchat for awhile with occasional browsing22:51
ericz_seems to be lasting awhile, been connected over 2 hrs,  still 2 bars on the battery icon22:52
ericz_was full when i first connected22:52
zuhDon't trust the battery icon to be too accurate though22:54
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ericz_lxdoom just made it drop a bar22:57
ericz_but its awesome22:57
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zuhI can't really get the hang of the controls, it's just too damn difficult to dodge and aim22:58
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ericz_yeah, turning is weird23:04
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zuhIf there was a ministick instead of the dpad, so you could control the movement with that and just aim by stylys with center of the screen being an anchor for a relative movement, *then* it could be cool to play it23:08
* zeenix wonders how much he can get out of selling a mac mini and a 17" CRT23:08
zuhI doubt the CRT will yield much23:08
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* zuh would spit on it if someone tried to sell a CRT to me23:09
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ericz_wouldnt go well w/ dual lcds23:11
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padrinowithout putting a full toolchain together I am having a hard time finding for my n770 (OS 2006). Could someone please point me to a binary?23:17
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pupnikNokia 770 featured in hollywood film:
pupnik"Live Free or Die Hard"23:35
gla55_reading those forums, /me wonders who is SeRi@lDiE23:35
gla55_since i'm in his sig23:36
gla55_ahm found the irc log it's from23:38
gla55_as i suspected it was about symbian, ha23:38
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pupnikthe name is familiar23:40
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jpt9Does anyone know if it's possible to edit the word completion dictionaries?  I'm pretty sure they've picked up a few typos during the last few days.  (I just got my Nokia 770 yesterday.)23:45
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milhousejpt9 - don't think there is, other than a full reset (reflash)23:49
milhousethere problably is a way, but i've never seen it publicised23:49
jpt9they've gotta be stored somewhere.  it seems a bit foolish of Nokia to implement customizable dictionaries, but not implement a separate user dictionary that can be edited if need be.23:51
milhousewelcome to the world of Maemo... ;)23:51
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* jpt9 is IRCing from the living room couch.23:52
pupnik  Another issues survey.  I got 79%  RP, 78% Kent McNaigal, 51% Chuck Hagel, 50% Denis  Kucinich23:53
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pupnikTest how your opinions match the candidates: policy based survey at
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jpt9where's the pipe key?  (it's the chracter above the backslash key on a US QWERTY keyboard)23:59

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