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| Pio | wow .. optimized view.. i never knew about that either | 00:04 |
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| jani | livingtm: thats the thing, you are missing a directory/devkit called debian | 00:26 |
| livingtm | jani yeah sorry i had a network issue here and dropped out afor a minute | 00:26 |
| jani | [23:05] <livingtm_> E: Scratchbox devkit debian not found. | 00:26 |
| jani | yeap, i was afk too | 00:26 |
| jani | so no worries | 00:26 |
| livingtm | I just created a link debian -> debian-sarge and tried again and it worked | 00:26 |
| jani | was about to suggest that =) | 00:27 |
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| livingtm | althugh there are three debian directories so i dont know whiuch one was correct | 00:27 |
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| livingtm | thanks for your help | 00:27 |
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| livingtm | man one thing after another... now when runing he script it does an apt-get update and i get error 404's | 00:31 |
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| livingtm | during the sdk install the apt-get update fails with a "file not found" | 00:42 |
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| livingtm | this appears to be onle when in SDK_ARMEL | 00:44 |
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| livingtm | Running apt-get update on 'SDK_ARMEL'. | 00:45 |
| livingtm | Err file: bora/explicit Packages | 00:45 |
| livingtm | File not found | 00:45 |
| livingtm | Ign file: bora/explicit Release | 00:45 |
| livingtm | Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 00:45 |
| livingtm | 404 Not Found [IP: 204.2.240.49 80] | 00:45 |
| unique311 | finally | 00:46 |
| unique311 | trial and error... | 00:46 |
| pupnik | hi unique311 | 00:46 |
| unique311 | have .deb packs for fltk and pose | 00:46 |
| pupnik | \o/ :D | 00:47 |
| unique311 | installed nicely in scratchbox.. | 00:47 |
| livingtm | interesting.. uname -a = "Linux acer 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 arm GNU/Linux | 00:47 |
| livingtm | " | 00:47 |
| livingtm | shouldnt it be armel? | 00:47 |
| livingtm | would that cause apt-get update to be looking for the wrong repositories?. | 00:48 |
| pupnik | want to be added to the Pose developers on garage? | 00:48 |
| unique311 | no.... | 00:49 |
| unique311 | you can up it to your project page.. | 00:49 |
| unique311 | i need to pack up the skin file.. | 00:49 |
| unique311 | and then i will up it to divshare..you can add it to maemo.org... | 00:50 |
| unique311 | keyboard is definitely required... | 00:50 |
| gwak_ | from what texrat is hinting at, i am really confused to what nokia has in store for the next firmware/software upgrade http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6851&page=12 | 00:51 |
| unique311 | or use synergy to share your notebooks keyboard | 00:51 |
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| livingtm | Im on step 2.4 of INSTALL.txt. still trying to apt-get update in the armel target | 00:54 |
| livingtm | er, 3.4 | 00:54 |
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| livingtm | cant seem to hit the correct repositories for the armel target | 00:56 |
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| acydlord | argh, my brain is trying to shut down. | 01:09 |
| livingtm | same here | 01:10 |
| livingtm | what do you get inside the armel target when you hit uname -a? | 01:10 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: arm... like you... | 01:11 |
| livingtm | okay so thats good | 01:11 |
| livingtm | why cant i hit the repos then? im pulling my hair out | 01:12 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: the connection is working properly? | 01:12 |
| livingtm | yeah i get wget okay | 01:13 |
| acydlord | I think i should be drinking a darker brew | 01:13 |
| livingtm | what are the repos supposed to be? | 01:13 |
| acydlord | fat tire amber ale doesnt seem to be helping me stay awake lol | 01:13 |
| livingtm | acydlord, im switching over to red wine | 01:13 |
| livingtm | Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 01:14 |
| livingtm | 404 Not Found [IP: 62.41.81.16 80] | 01:14 |
| livingtm | grrrr | 01:14 |
| b0unc3 | uhmmm... maybe your apt source lists is broken ? | 01:15 |
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| livingtm | whats the list spposed to be? the installer set it to whatever it is currently | 01:15 |
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| b0unc3 | livingtm: you're on a fresh installation ? | 01:16 |
| livingtm | b0unc3, yeah i just ran the script | 01:16 |
| livingtm | and it fails at the end when trying to apt-get update in the armel target. | 01:16 |
| livingtm | ... and the tutorials dont tell yo uwhen to do when "step x" fails :-) | 01:17 |
| livingtm | Heres what i was running "bash ~/Desktop/maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh -s /scratchbox/ -y" | 01:18 |
| livingtm | actually, that IP address doesnt seem to be right! | 01:20 |
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| livingtm | what the hell would cause apt-get update to incorrectly resolv the repository host? | 01:21 |
| livingtm | i dont mean NOT resolv it.. i mean resolv it WRONG\ | 01:21 |
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| acydlord | I should have got 1554, that would have kept me wide awake | 01:23 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: try to take a look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ... | 01:24 |
| livingtm | works fine in the x86 target | 01:24 |
| jani | hehe i know that resolver problem .. | 01:26 |
| jani | we had it work too.. | 01:26 |
| livingtm | ? | 01:26 |
| suihkulokki | does anyone bother maintaining a FAQ here? | 01:26 |
| suihkulokki | every day someone is asking about resolving here.. | 01:26 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: there is a resolv.conf also inside each targets... | 01:26 |
| jani | yes. | 01:27 |
| livingtm | b0unc3, yeh they are the same | 01:27 |
| jani | each target has it and there's one in scratchboxs main /etc .. | 01:27 |
| livingtm | and it works okay in the x86 target but not the armel | 01:27 |
| jani | basicly i fixed my problme by copying my host os's resolv.conf to scratchbox/etc and also to each target's /etc folder .. | 01:28 |
| livingtm | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update | 01:28 |
| livingtm | Err file: bora/explicit Packages | 01:28 |
| livingtm | File not found | 01:28 |
| livingtm | <-- does this mean if found the server and not the repo? | 01:28 |
| acydlord | When I move to seattle I will add "teabag balmer" to my todo list. | 01:29 |
| jani | acydlord: lol | 01:29 |
| livingtm | hehe | 01:29 |
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| acydlord | i would probably be the open source community's hero for awhile | 01:30 |
| jani | i'll start printing "Free Acydlord!" t-shirts and coffee mugs! | 01:31 |
| jani | when you do that, i'll be rich!! rich! rich1!! muahahahahahah | 01:31 |
| livingtm | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 01:31 |
| livingtm | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free | 01:32 |
| livingtm | deb file:/home/livingtm/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit | 01:32 |
| livingtm | is that right? | 01:32 |
| b0unc3 | uhm... I have no deb file:/home/livingtm/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit on my source.list | 01:32 |
| acydlord | sweet | 01:32 |
| livingtm | b0unc3, hm, well it fails well before it gets that far, but Ill comment that out :-) | 01:32 |
| jani | looks about right.. | 01:33 |
| livingtm | im lost. i really dont know what to do next | 01:33 |
| acydlord | rm -rf ? | 01:33 |
| livingtm | acydlord, i just did that.. this is a fresh damn install!!!! | 01:34 |
| unique311 | getting an incompatible application manager when trying to install the deb packs i just made in scratchbox | 01:34 |
| acydlord | ahh | 01:34 |
| jani | livingtm: resolv problem ? | 01:34 |
| livingtm | jani, im not positive its a resov problem | 01:34 |
| jani | but apt-get doesnt work ? | 01:34 |
| livingtm | it looks to me like its hitting the serv er, but its not finding the repo | 01:34 |
| acydlord | i'm watching a tesla coil play the super mario bros theme | 01:35 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: I thinks apt is complaining with that last line.... | 01:35 |
| livingtm | http://www.pastebin.ca/582329 | 01:36 |
| livingtm | b0unc3, commented it out and it didnt help | 01:36 |
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| pupnik | i'm pissed off i haven't gotten any work done last couple of months | 01:38 |
| jani | moment.. | 01:39 |
| jani | someone asked what uname under armel prints ? | 01:39 |
| jani | Linux delenn 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 #1 SMP Fri Apr 27 19:48:40 EDT 2007 arm GNU/Linux | 01:39 |
| b0unc3 | uhm.... binary-arm_Packages I have binary-armel_Packages... | 01:39 |
| pupnik | unique311: installing on the n800 or in the same scratchbox? | 01:39 |
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| livingtm | b0unc3, thats why i was asking about uname... | 01:41 |
| unique311 | n800 | 01:41 |
| livingtm | uname shows arm.... | 01:41 |
| jani | livingtm: do you know whats akamai ? | 01:41 |
| unique311 | wondering if i should packed it for arch armel or any | 01:41 |
| livingtm | nope | 01:42 |
| jani | ok. | 01:42 |
| unique311 | i packed it for armel. | 01:42 |
| jani | repository.maemo.org is akamai host. | 01:42 |
| livingtm | ok | 01:42 |
| tigert | akamai is big, distributed cache | 01:42 |
| jani | oh, hi tigert | 01:42 |
| dolske | Akamai runs a content distribution network. | 01:42 |
| unique311 | i can manually install the .deb packs with dpkg -i i guess... | 01:42 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: your uname is correct... | 01:42 |
| livingtm | ok | 01:42 |
| tigert | moi | 01:43 |
| jani | and your end of the cache isnt working | 01:43 |
| henkt | any one help me to instell python? | 01:43 |
| pupnik | unique311: i have no ideas | 01:43 |
| livingtm | any fix? | 01:43 |
| henkt | I just downloaded to .install files | 01:43 |
| henkt | what I am going to do with them | 01:43 |
| jani | tigert: you dont happen to work in 5th floor in ruoholahti ? =)) | 01:43 |
| henkt | hi pupnik | 01:43 |
| henkt | I now able to switch to armel target | 01:44 |
| livingtm | so im screwed until the cache updates? | 01:44 |
| jani | well, you could try using a proxy .. | 01:44 |
| tigert | jani, i do | 01:44 |
| jani | of another isp .. | 01:44 |
| pupnik | great henkt. now the dpkg -i works? | 01:44 |
| henkt | but dpkg -i *.deb do not work | 01:45 |
| livingtm | damn | 01:45 |
| henkt | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 01:45 |
| henkt | got the above mssage | 01:45 |
| livingtm | so the repository is cached... | 01:46 |
| * pupnik blinks | 01:46 | |
| livingtm | well time to drink heavily i guess | 01:47 |
| pupnik | henkt, do you have a howto for installing scratchbox? | 01:47 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: try to use deb-armel in source.list instead on deb | 01:47 |
| livingtm | E: Type 'deb-armel' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:48 |
| pupnik | you should set the cputransparency options to use qemu when you set up the scratchbox target | 01:48 |
| henkt | no, scratch box is installed already | 01:48 |
| b0unc3 | uhmm... | 01:48 |
| jani | tigert: i thought there was something familar with the face. im that dreadlocked fellow who just started there.. | 01:49 |
| pupnik | henkt: when you set up the armel target, you will be asked in the menu which cputransparency method to use | 01:49 |
| henkt | how I set it? | 01:49 |
| jani | we've talked some years back when i was working at jippii .. | 01:49 |
| jani | propably. | 01:49 |
| tigert | hmm | 01:49 |
| tigert | where do you sit? | 01:50 |
| jani | 5th floor, in the corner facing the cemetary | 01:50 |
| livingtm | jani sounds lively | 01:50 |
| henkt | pupnik, its okey now | 01:50 |
| tigert | sure, i was in saunalahti/jippii years ago | 01:50 |
| henkt | I selected all the development kits including cuptrunsp | 01:51 |
| acydlord | hmm, the nokia N800 + Nav-Kit ads are out in force here in the states | 01:51 |
| acydlord | second website i've seen today with a tower ad and a block ad | 01:51 |
| tigert | jani, sounds like our wing. | 01:52 |
| henkt | were I put this to .install files. now they are some were on the desktop | 01:52 |
| jani | i used to sit in ahmad's room for 2 weeks | 01:52 |
| jani | http://a680.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00626/97/63/626463679_m.jpg | 01:53 |
| jani | thats me. | 01:53 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: what echo $ARCH says ? | 01:53 |
| henkt | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -i *.deb | 01:54 |
| henkt | dpkg: error processing maemopad_1.5_i386.deb (--install): | 01:54 |
| henkt | package architecture (i386) does not match system (arm) | 01:54 |
| henkt | Errors were encountered while processing: | 01:54 |
| henkt | maemopad_1.5_i386.deb | 01:54 |
| pupnik | hehe jani :) | 01:54 |
| livingtm | "arm" | 01:54 |
| henkt | :( | 01:54 |
| tigert | looking | 01:54 |
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| jani | livingtm: well, basicly akamai works in a way that some big isp's in each country have akamai servers.. so if you add a proxy to some other isp, you might get it working .. | 01:55 |
| b0unc3 | livingtm: I have armel... | 01:55 |
| b0unc3 | try to set it to armel | 01:55 |
| jani | tigert: ring any bells ? | 01:57 |
| pupnik | ah henkt you can not install _i386.deb s to armel target, only to 86 targets | 01:57 |
| livingtm | b0unc3, nerp, same thing | 01:57 |
| henkt | yes | 01:57 |
| b0unc3 | ;( | 01:57 |
| pupnik | henkt, find the maemopad-----_armel.deb | 01:58 |
| henkt | this is just the output of dpkg -i *.deb | 01:58 |
| pupnik | dpkg -i the individual debs then | 01:58 |
| henkt | I want to install python | 01:58 |
| pupnik | i don't know exactly what debs you need. find a howto on installing python 2.5 and follow the instructions | 01:59 |
| jani | henkt: you are trying to install all deb files in current directory and thus you are mixing up i386 and armel packages because you have downloaded them to same directory. | 01:59 |
| tigert | jani, ah, you are the rasta-guy wandering in the alleys? :) | 01:59 |
| jani | yes | 01:59 |
| jani | the same one. | 01:59 |
| tigert | yea. i dont remember you from jippii-days (so long ago) but i definitely remember you from the office :) | 02:00 |
| jani | yeah, well, i actually wasnt working in jippii the same time as you but we talked few times in irc | 02:01 |
| henkt | ok, when I download python I got two files which are base-repository.install and python2.5-runtime.install | 02:01 |
| tigert | will need to say hi next time. though i am on vacation now, | 02:01 |
| tigert | its funny, most finns seem to have worked there :) | 02:02 |
| jani | jippii or nokia or both ? =)) | 02:02 |
| henkt | what is the next step pls? | 02:02 |
| tigert | both i guess =) | 02:03 |
| tigert | ok. time to sleep, ttyl :) | 02:03 |
| jani | henkt: im not really expert in the platform yet .. | 02:03 |
| pupnik | cu tigert | 02:03 |
| jani | yeah hi.. come holler me whan you get back to the office | 02:03 |
| pupnik | henkt, the .install files are like little scripts that the nokia application installer uses | 02:04 |
| pupnik | they aren't the .debs you need | 02:04 |
| henkt | ic | 02:04 |
| henkt | ok | 02:04 |
| jani | yep, was about to say the same | 02:05 |
| pupnik | henkt: according to one howto, you can run command: apt-get install python2.5* | 02:06 |
| pupnik | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html | 02:06 |
| pupnik | henkt: are you familiar with debian linux yet? | 02:09 |
| jani | ;) | 02:10 |
| henkt | I am, excepte with some dificulties | 02:10 |
| pupnik | ok if the scratchbox setup is new, you might want to run "apt-get update" first | 02:10 |
| henkt | ok | 02:12 |
| henkt | done | 02:13 |
| pupnik | if you are lucky, the python2.5 is in your repository | 02:13 |
| pupnik | apt-get install python2.5* | 02:13 |
| henkt | colldent find | 02:14 |
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| henkt | E: Couldn't find package pyhton2.5* | 02:15 |
| pupnik | ok then it's not in your repository. you might have maemo2.1 or something | 02:15 |
| henkt | I have maemo 3.1 | 02:15 |
| pupnik | ok so i think your repository would be bora? not sure. you can see the distro type by looking at /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox | 02:16 |
| pupnik | mistral, scirocco, bora, ... whatever | 02:16 |
| henkt | it is bora | 02:16 |
| pupnik | ok the instructions in the link said python should be in bora :( | 02:17 |
| pupnik | you can "apt-cache search python" | 02:17 |
| pupnik | to see if any python packages are available. otherwise you need to find and download the correct .debs | 02:18 |
| pupnik | and use dpkg -i <filename> to install | 02:18 |
| henkt | ok brb I will check them | 02:19 |
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| unique311 | pupnik | 02:28 |
| jani | there is python in bora but its not 2.5 its 2.3 | 02:31 |
| jani | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/src/maemo-panelclock] > apt-cache search python | 02:31 |
| jani | python - python from Scratchbox | 02:31 |
| jani | idle-python2.3 - idle-python2.3 from Scratchbox | 02:31 |
| jani | python2.3 - python2.3 from Scratchbox | 02:31 |
| jani | python2.3-tk - python2.3-tk from Scratchbox | 02:31 |
| jani | python2.3-dev - python2.3-dev from Scratchbox | 02:31 |
| jani | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/src/maemo-panelclock] > | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | ewwo unique311 | 02:41 |
| unique311 | not sure.... | 02:42 |
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| unique311 | started up... | 02:42 |
| unique311 | but then exit after 10 seconds.. | 02:42 |
| henkt | pupnik, http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html | 02:44 |
| henkt | in this link the installation step for python is in x86 | 02:44 |
| henkt | target | 02:44 |
| pupnik | yeah the reason for that is, python doesn't need to be in the armel target | 02:44 |
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| henkt | shall I change my target to [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]? | 02:44 |
| pupnik | since it is interpreted, not compiled | 02:44 |
| pupnik | but if you do other development, it might be more convenient to do all you work in the armel target | 02:45 |
| henkt | other develpment? | 02:45 |
| pupnik | c/c++ | 02:45 |
| henkt | I just run some sample c files on [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] | 02:46 |
| pupnik | so yes, you can do the python stuff in the x86 target | 02:46 |
| henkt | ok | 02:46 |
| pupnik | right but if you compile a c program under x86, it will not run on the nokia | 02:46 |
| pupnik | if you write a python program under x86, it *will* run on the nokia | 02:47 |
| henkt | to run c file on nokia i have to compile it again on armel? | 02:47 |
| pupnik | yes that is what the armel SDK target is for. to compile and run/debug programs for the nokia processor (arm cpu) | 02:48 |
| henkt | okey now it is on installing python 2.5 :) | 02:51 |
| pupnik | Onneksiolkoon! :) | 02:53 |
| henkt | vahn phuu ...soamia :) | 02:54 |
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| henkt | now I run my helloworld | 02:54 |
| henkt | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > run-standalone.sh ./hello_world_1.py | 02:54 |
| henkt | Traceback (most recent call last): | 02:54 |
| henkt | File "./hello_world_1.py", line 2, in <module> | 02:54 |
| henkt | import gtk | 02:54 |
| henkt | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL/__init__.py", line 83, in <module> | 02:54 |
| henkt | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL/__init__.py", line 70, in _init | 02:54 |
| henkt | NameError: global name '_gtk' is not defined | 02:54 |
| pupnik | maybe some gtk library is not installed? | 02:57 |
| pupnik | libgtk2.0-dev ? i just am guessing | 02:57 |
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| henkt | any way how to check that? | 03:00 |
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| pupnik | i usually enter the error into google :) | 03:01 |
| pupnik | apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev would show you whether you have it installed | 03:01 |
| pupnik | but i don't think that's the right library | 03:02 |
| henkt | ok :) | 03:03 |
| henkt | yes it works now | 03:08 |
| henkt | got the error form Google :) | 03:08 |
| henkt | Xephyr was not (didnt put the Display :=2) | 03:08 |
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| henkt | cio pupnik | 03:12 |
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| livingtm | are there any mirrors to the bora repository? | 05:26 |
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| edt | how do you manually setup a proxy server for opera? I have a PAN connection bluetooth using a private network and cannot nat on the other end. Socks proxy would be idea. | 05:49 |
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| livingtm | Im having this issue on my ubuntu feisty install of scratchbox with the bora SDK: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21583 It seems to be an architecture issue. dpkg-architecture does not seem to know about armel, only arm | 05:56 |
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| livingtm | Finally fixed my repository issue if anyone was in on that earlier... The SDK installation script installed into the /scratchbox/devkits directory the following: debian-sarge debian-lenny debian-etch. | 06:18 |
| livingtm | I was unable to "apt-get update" getting Error 404's. The ARMEL target's architecture was arm rather than armel according to dpkg-architecture, which didnt know about armel. I created a simlink debian->debian-etch, reinstalled the SDK, and no longer have problems with the repository | 06:20 |
| livingtm | aparently in debian-sarge didn't know about armel, but etch does. | 06:20 |
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| schwa | I have a question about the n800 | 07:21 |
| schwa | the removable memory card slot seems to no longer be working on my n800. Has anyone else had this proble? | 07:22 |
| schwa | problem? | 07:22 |
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| pruney | Has anyone had the problem where the removable memory card slot stops working? | 07:26 |
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| unique311 | k, after a nice littley nap..... | 07:40 |
| unique311 | i think i've done it.... | 07:40 |
| unique311 | pupnik | 07:41 |
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| hieptranit | hi | 08:13 |
| hieptranit | help | 08:15 |
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| hieptranit | hello? | 08:16 |
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| hieptranit | hello everybody | 08:19 |
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| hieptranit | hi | 08:34 |
| unique311 | hello | 08:36 |
| pupnik_ | what zzup | 08:37 |
| pupnik_ | hi, my name is pupnik, and i'm a maemoholic | 08:37 |
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| unique311 | hey pupnik | 08:37 |
| unique311 | i'm done.. | 08:37 |
| unique311 | you should uplaod the deb packs to the project page on maemo.org | 08:38 |
| unique311 | i'm posting on internettablettalk right now... | 08:38 |
| hieptranit | hey | 08:40 |
| hieptranit | can anyone help me | 08:40 |
| hieptranit | i am new to maemo and need help on how to add multiple buttons | 08:41 |
| VimSi | depents on what's your problem... | 08:41 |
| hieptranit | i looked at gtk api but there nothing about adding multiple buttons | 08:41 |
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| hieptranit | i want to add a window and inside that window have multiple buttons | 08:42 |
| pupnik | nice job unique311 | 08:42 |
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| unique311 | you got the links? | 08:43 |
| pupnik | hieptranit: maybe looking at the source for a maemo app that has multiple buttons would help | 08:44 |
| hieptranit | where can i find these source? | 08:45 |
| pupnik | almost all programs for nokia are open source | 08:45 |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=53300#post53300 | 08:50 |
| unique311 | there it is... | 08:50 |
| pupnik | ok good job - i'll look at em today | 08:52 |
| unique311 | hopefull the debs install on the 770 | 08:53 |
| unique311 | after installing the fltk and pose you will have my horrible job at icons in the extras folder... | 08:54 |
| pupnik | this is great stuff | 09:11 |
| pupnik | the double size pose | 09:11 |
| unique311 | its good on the 770? | 09:11 |
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| unique311 | if the DEBs work on the 770, i need to edit the post on ITT | 09:12 |
| pupnik | no just looking at screenshots | 09:13 |
| unique311 | going to work on adding drop down menu | 09:14 |
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| unique311 | thinking a keyboard might not be necessary if i can get that right click pop up to just drop down | 09:15 |
| unique311 | map a key to it maybe... | 09:15 |
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| pupnik | pose has a drop down internal keyboard? | 09:17 |
| unique311 | yes | 09:17 |
| unique311 | the graffiti area.. | 09:17 |
| unique311 | when you want to write a note.... | 09:18 |
| unique311 | click on the abc or 123 | 09:18 |
| unique311 | and it pops up.. | 09:18 |
| unique311 | which is cool | 09:18 |
| pupnik | sweet | 09:18 |
| unique311 | thats why i position the bottom part of the lcd like i did.. | 09:18 |
| unique311 | it was not an mistake.. | 09:18 |
| unique311 | within that rectangle...if you click way in the upper left the clock will show up....bottom left is the abc and bottom right is the 123 | 09:19 |
| unique311 | that right click menu is the FLTK | 09:20 |
| pupnik | ahh | 09:21 |
| unique311 | well not FLTK but | 09:21 |
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| unique311 | the SrcUnix folder inside the Emulator folder.. | 09:23 |
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| pupnik | yeah a button to bring up a keyboard would be great | 09:24 |
| unique311 | no... | 09:25 |
| unique311 | not a keyboard... | 09:25 |
| pupnik | ? | 09:25 |
| unique311 | don't need that.. | 09:25 |
| unique311 | pose has the internal keyboard.. | 09:25 |
| pupnik | yeah i mean that | 09:25 |
| pupnik | i never got the internal keyboard working | 09:25 |
| unique311 | well it should work now.. | 09:26 |
| pupnik | with a 'right click'? (tap and hold?) or a left click on abc/123? | 09:26 |
| unique311 | basically the only folder i see needing some type of hildonizing is that SrcUnix folder | 09:26 |
| unique311 | seem to work for me..left click on abc or 123 and clock | 09:28 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 09:28 |
| unique311 | it works.. | 09:29 |
| unique311 | just tested it out again | 09:29 |
| unique311 | upper right corner is contrast | 09:30 |
| unique311 | also just realised i can shrink that graffiti pad to fit correctly....the hotspot for the buttons...are all within reach.. | 09:32 |
| unique311 | next release i will shorten the width | 09:33 |
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| pupnik | boy it's good to have ITT forums... to remember what i did on these ports | 09:40 |
| pupnik | nice with the shrunk pad | 09:41 |
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| florian | good morning | 10:43 |
| pupnik | onward maemo soldiers... | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:51 |
| * pupnik salutzors | 10:52 | |
| unique311 | just made a discover... | 10:53 |
| unique311 | the arrow buttons work...as left up down right.. | 10:53 |
| unique311 | and the button in the middle is enter... | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | yup | 10:54 |
| unique311 | well for pose | 10:55 |
| unique311 | lol | 10:55 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:01 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:21 |
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| pupnik | nethack? | 11:22 |
| AD-N770 | could be | 11:22 |
| AD-N770 | pupnik: is you game working ? | 11:22 |
| AD-N770 | you/your | 11:22 |
| pupnik | TOME? no progress lately | 11:22 |
| pupnik | just the curses version | 11:23 |
| AD-N770 | I've been busy too last weeks | 11:23 |
| pupnik | school? work? | 11:23 |
| AD-N770 | work, and mainly drive 2h each day | 11:24 |
| pupnik | programming, i hope | 11:24 |
| AD-N770 | yes, at least is not project management as it was in my previous job | 11:25 |
| AD-N770 | I prefer write code than write mails and reports | 11:25 |
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| pupnik | too bad you can't do telecommuting a few days a week | 11:25 |
| AD-N770 | not by now | 11:26 |
| b0unc3 | morning... | 11:36 |
| unique311 | yo | 11:40 |
| unique311 | pupnik... | 11:40 |
| unique311 | figured it out... | 11:40 |
| unique311 | mousebuttons can be mapped on the skin.. | 11:40 |
| unique311 | left center right | 11:40 |
| unique311 | guessing that'll solve the right click issue with it.. | 11:41 |
| unique311 | i think | 11:41 |
| pupnik | that's great. being able to do things in the skins is very useful. | 11:42 |
| pupnik | avoids having to change the POSE source | 11:42 |
| unique311 | read it to quick... | 11:42 |
| unique311 | symbol specific mappings.. | 11:42 |
| unique311 | // Symbol-specific | 11:43 |
| unique311 | kElement_TriggerLeft, | 11:43 |
| unique311 | kElement_TriggerCenter, | 11:43 |
| unique311 | kElement_TriggerRight, | 11:43 |
| unique311 | still have another option... | 11:44 |
| unique311 | map the right click key to the FL_Enter key...which is mapped right now to that square button in the middle of the directional pad | 11:45 |
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| unique311 | holy shit...pardon my french.... | 12:42 |
| pupnik | maybe he has an unpatched norton firewall :P | 12:42 |
| unique311 | the pose package fltk and roms&skin...downloaded so much times.. | 12:42 |
| unique311 | 61 for pose | 12:42 |
| unique311 | 65 for roms&skin | 12:43 |
| unique311 | 77 fltk | 12:43 |
| unique311 | good stuff | 12:43 |
| unique311 | i just figured out the buttom mapping..and compiled a new version... | 12:43 |
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| unique311 | happy dayz.... | 13:18 |
| unique311 | k, so the keymapping worked...in scratchbox. now to see if it will play nice with the N800. | 13:19 |
| unique311 | F6 which is the fullscreen key for most apps should act as a right click.. | 13:20 |
| pupnik | if it works, it will be a right click on the last touched position on the screen | 13:21 |
| unique311 | yes | 13:21 |
| unique311 | and then installing apps, doing everything pretty much will be easier...no keyboard needed.. | 13:22 |
| unique311 | all it required was modifying 1 file in SrcUnix | 13:22 |
| unique311 | going of the fact that some of them worked | 13:23 |
| unique311 | now all the keys are mapped. | 13:23 |
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| unique311 | yes | 13:27 |
| unique311 | yes | 13:27 |
| unique311 | it works | 13:27 |
| unique311 | it fucking works...pardon my french | 13:27 |
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| sxpert-work | ROTFL | 13:28 |
| unique311 | it works..... | 13:29 |
| unique311 | right click | 13:29 |
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| unique311 | i freaking mapped it to F6 fullscreen button | 13:30 |
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| livingtm | This tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/howto_making_an_application_package.html links to a file http://maemo.org/downloads/hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz which doesnt semto exist. anyone know where i can find it? | 16:50 |
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| X-Fade_ | livingtm: This is 0.4.1? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/hello-world-app_0.4.1.tar.gz | 16:52 |
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| X-Fade_ | livingtm: Or this is the 0.4 one: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/website/trunk/documentation/content/downloads/hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz | 16:53 |
| livingtm | X-Fade_, thanks! | 16:53 |
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| lardman | From my limited understanding, it's usual to pass parameters to and return values from a function using the stack | 17:36 |
| livingtm | is there a maemomm example out there that is debianized and ready to build? | 17:36 |
| lardman | but, in embedded programming, are 'spare' registers often used instead? | 17:37 |
| derf | I have no idea about ARM conventions, but on x86, return values are almost always in registers, and depending on the calling conventions you instruct the compiler to use, you can also pass parameters in registers. | 17:39 |
| derf | (for example, if you've ever compiled your own kernel, you can choose this option) | 17:40 |
| lardman | hmm, I'm reading the TMS320 C/C++ docs to see whether they tell me the convention, but if it was written in asm in the first place, I may have to do more guessing | 17:40 |
| lardman | as there will be no convention | 17:40 |
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| lardman | thanks for the info | 17:40 |
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| lardman | derf: Right, well fyi Ti DSPs also pass and return in registers | 17:47 |
| derf | Learn something every day. | 17:48 |
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| lardman | Not sure it'll be of any use to you mind ;) | 17:48 |
| lardman | I've another asm question, are there easy ways to spot whether code was written in asm or in c (or perhaps even c++)? | 17:49 |
| derf | If you know the compiler used to compile it, you can often recognize some of the patterns it uses, and tell when other pieces of code don't follow those patterns. | 17:50 |
| derf | But I'm not sure if I'd quantify that as "easy". | 17:51 |
| lardman | Okay, so no hard and fast rules, though the passing conventions might be a clue I guess | 17:51 |
| derf | Yeah, calling conventions and stack management are usually big clues. | 17:51 |
| lardman | Actually I should write some test code and look at the asm output | 17:51 |
| derf | That's what I do. You learn a lot. | 17:51 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 17:51 |
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| s-ndh-c | damn the headphone jack on my n770 seems to be broken somehow | 18:04 |
| s-ndh-c | i only have sound on one side | 18:04 |
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| saerdnaer | is it possible to get spare parts for n770 like the small plasic thing around the jacks someware in germany? | 18:22 |
| livingtm | is there a way to use Kdevelop in the host, and set it up to do the compiling in scratchbox? | 18:22 |
| saerdnaer | s/someware/somewhere | 18:22 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :P | 18:44 |
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| ||cw | saerdnaer: you could try calling nokia support | 18:53 |
| saerdnaer | its not so essential | 18:53 |
| ||cw | I'd like a spare cover | 18:54 |
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| saerdnaer | yes thats also a nice idea | 19:17 |
| saerdnaer | maybe its possible to mount a 2.5'' hard disc and some batteries on it ;-) | 19:18 |
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| melmoth | is it me, or is garage down ? | 20:05 |
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| sbaturzio | melmoth: is down for me too | 20:06 |
| melmoth | grumble | 20:07 |
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| pupnik | who brokeded it? | 20:07 |
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| livingtm | Ive been able to build an application in the armel target for my n770 using the c++ bindings for gtk/hildon. Now i copied the executable to the nokia device and its missing some shared libraries... | 20:50 |
| livingtm | I added the extras repo to the 770 and cant seem to find anything related to libhildon | 20:51 |
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| livingtm | I didnt use the debian package to install it, i just copied the binary over.. thats probably part of my problem | 20:55 |
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| b0unc3 | livingtm: which is the error ? | 20:58 |
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| pupnik | livingtm: you can execute 'ldd <filename>' to see which libraries the executeable needs | 21:09 |
| * X-Fade_ is watching Nasa tv to see the Shuttle landing on his N800. | 21:25 | |
| pupnik | with mplayer? | 21:25 |
| X-Fade_ | No, internal player.. | 21:25 |
| X-Fade_ | Nasatv has a real player stream. | 21:26 |
| X-Fade_ | www.nasa.gov/ntv | 21:26 |
| X-Fade_ | Just hit the real player link and the internal player pops up.. Works great.. | 21:26 |
| pupnik | nice | 21:27 |
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| mbuf | maemo platform is only for application development? can we do any kernel development for N800? | 21:36 |
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| X-Fade_ | mbuf: Sure you can.. | 21:37 |
| X-Fade_ | All tools should be there to compile your own kernel etc.. | 21:38 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ : from Scratchbox? is the code base separate for maemo and for the Linux kernel? | 21:38 |
| melmoth | there is this (manaworld) sdl c++ game that i can run in scratchbox, but...being sdl and stuff, the virtual keyboard does not pop up in text input | 21:39 |
| X-Fade_ | mbuf: Check this out: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html | 21:40 |
| melmoth | is there a way in c++ to have it pop up ? so may be , i could just have a hardware key puping it | 21:40 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ thanks | 21:40 |
| X-Fade_ | mbuf: I think that describes all that you need to know.. | 21:40 |
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| mbuf | X-Fade_ I guess I need to explore the wiki a lot more than what I am doing now, thanks for your help | 21:41 |
| X-Fade_ | mbuf: That is not the wiki.. That is the official documentation.. | 21:41 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ ahh ok | 21:42 |
| X-Fade_ | mbuf: The howtos: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/ | 21:42 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ no wonder i was looking at the wrong place | 21:42 |
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| X-Fade_ | Nokia/maemo wants you to experiment with that, so they actually wrote documentation for it ;) | 21:44 |
| guardian | hi | 21:44 |
| guardian | for what, i'm curious :) | 21:44 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ are you guys looking for some developers, full-time, just curious :) | 21:44 |
| X-Fade_ | mbuf: I think they are.. | 21:45 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ cool | 21:46 |
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| X-Fade_ | http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/A8D42B33FA4A5987C22572E4006C9E7E?OpenDocument&Lang=Global | 21:47 |
| X-Fade_ | http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/D54DCA86A082C96BC22572E9005B34BE?OpenDocument&Lang=Global | 21:47 |
| X-Fade_ | Hmm no pure programmer jobs atm.. | 21:47 |
| mbuf | X-Fade, Yannick's blog, http://yannickpellet.blogspot.com/ | 21:49 |
| X-Fade_ | Heh, they are also looking for another tigert ;) http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/95FA2E96D582053EC22572DD001EA5F6?OpenDocument&Lang=Global | 21:50 |
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| mbuf | does the Maemo team have some annual conference or any Live tutorial or demo sessions? | 21:51 |
| X-Fade_ | Guadec for sure. But they visited a lot of conferences.. | 21:52 |
| mbuf | i see | 21:53 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_ thanks for your help, will catch up sometime later | 21:57 |
| mbuf | cya | 21:57 |
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| melmoth | what is supposed to be the audio device ? | 23:19 |
| melmoth | /dev/dsp ? | 23:19 |
| melmoth | or is it alsa ? | 23:19 |
| melmoth | like, /dev/snd/something ? | 23:20 |
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| tigert | its gstreamer | 23:26 |
| acydlord | /dev/ears | 23:28 |
| acydlord | and damn i want a pair of full immersion 3d surround headphones | 23:29 |
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| melmoth | oh, cool. There are gstreamer python module | 23:33 |
| melmoth | and even a tutorial | 23:33 |
| melmoth | http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/playbin.html | 23:33 |
| melmoth | Now, the original idea is this post: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6942 | 23:33 |
| melmoth | wich i think is splendid (my neighboors are quite...noisy sometimes) | 23:34 |
| melmoth | Is there an easy way to use gstreamer to synthetise a white or pink noise, or is reading a wav file in loop the other option ? | 23:34 |
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| melmoth | http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~pelzlpj/whitenoise/ :) | 23:39 |
| livingtm | pupnik, b0unc3 the file that is missing from the 770 is libhildon-libsmm-1.0.so.1 | 23:44 |
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| melmoth | crap, whitenoise use /dev/dsp as well... | 23:51 |
| melmoth | so, anybody knows if gstreamer can be use as a synth ? | 23:51 |
| melmoth | the problem is to have zero interruption , so playing a mp3 in loop would not be that cool (slight pause before restarting) | 23:52 |
| ||cw | you need a gapless player | 23:53 |
| kakos | Anyone know if someone has made rdiff-backup-1.1.x for the n800? | 23:53 |
| * melmoth wonder if ukmp is gapless.. | 23:54 | |
| melmoth | where is kontori when one needs him ? :) | 23:54 |
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