IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-06-22

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Piowow .. optimized view.. i never knew about that either00:04
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janilivingtm: thats the thing, you are missing a directory/devkit called debian00:26
livingtmjani yeah sorry i had a network issue here and dropped out afor a minute00:26
jani[23:05] <livingtm_> E: Scratchbox devkit debian not found.00:26
janiyeap, i was afk too00:26
janiso no worries00:26
livingtmI just created a link debian -> debian-sarge and tried again and it worked00:26
janiwas about to suggest that =)00:27
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livingtmalthugh there are three debian directories so i dont know whiuch one was correct00:27
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livingtmthanks for your help00:27
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livingtmman one thing after another... now when runing he script it does an apt-get update and i get error 404's00:31
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livingtmduring the sdk install the apt-get update fails with a "file not found"00:42
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livingtmthis appears to be onle when in SDK_ARMEL00:44
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livingtmRunning apt-get update on 'SDK_ARMEL'.00:45
livingtmErr file: bora/explicit Packages00:45
livingtm  File not found00:45
livingtmIgn file: bora/explicit Release00:45
livingtmErr bora/free Packages00:45
livingtm  404 Not Found [IP: 80]00:45
unique311trial and error...00:46
pupnikhi unique31100:46
unique311have .deb packs for fltk and pose00:46
pupnik\o/ :D00:47
unique311installed nicely in scratchbox..00:47
livingtminteresting.. uname -a = "Linux acer 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 arm GNU/Linux00:47
livingtmshouldnt it be armel?00:47
livingtmwould that cause apt-get update to be looking for the wrong repositories?.00:48
pupnikwant to be added to the Pose developers on garage?00:48
unique311you can up  it to your project page..00:49
unique311i need to pack up the skin file..00:49
unique311and then i will up it to can add it to
unique311keyboard is definitely required...00:50
gwak_from what texrat is hinting at, i am really confused to what nokia has in store for the next firmware/software upgrade
unique311or use synergy to share your notebooks keyboard00:51
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livingtmIm on step 2.4 of INSTALL.txt.  still trying to apt-get update in the armel target00:54
livingtmer, 3.400:54
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livingtmcant seem to hit the correct repositories for the armel target00:56
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acydlordargh, my brain is trying to shut down.01:09
livingtmsame here01:10
livingtmwhat do you get inside the armel target when you hit uname -a?01:10
b0unc3livingtm: arm... like you...01:11
livingtmokay so thats good01:11
livingtmwhy cant i hit the repos then? im pulling my hair out01:12
b0unc3livingtm: the connection is working properly?01:12
livingtmyeah i get wget okay01:13
acydlordI think i should be drinking a darker brew01:13
livingtmwhat are the repos supposed to be?01:13
acydlordfat tire amber ale doesnt seem to be helping me stay awake lol01:13
livingtmacydlord, im switching over to red wine01:13
livingtmErr bora/free Packages01:14
livingtm  404 Not Found [IP: 80]01:14
b0unc3uhmmm... maybe your apt source lists is broken ?01:15
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livingtmwhats the list spposed to be? the installer set it to whatever it is currently01:15
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b0unc3livingtm: you're on a fresh installation ?01:16
livingtmb0unc3, yeah i just ran the script01:16
livingtmand it fails at the end when trying to apt-get update in the armel target.01:16
livingtm... and the tutorials dont tell yo uwhen to do when "step x" fails :-)01:17
livingtmHeres what i was running "bash ~/Desktop/ -s /scratchbox/ -y"01:18
livingtmactually, that IP address doesnt seem to be right!01:20
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livingtmwhat the hell would cause apt-get update to incorrectly resolv the repository host?01:21
livingtmi dont mean NOT resolv it.. i mean resolv it WRONG\01:21
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acydlordI should have got 1554, that would have kept me wide awake01:23
b0unc3livingtm: try to take a look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ...01:24
livingtmworks fine in the x86 target01:24
janihehe i know that resolver problem ..01:26
janiwe had it work too..01:26
suihkulokkidoes anyone bother maintaining a FAQ here?01:26
suihkulokkievery day someone is asking about resolving here..01:26
b0unc3livingtm: there is a resolv.conf also inside each targets...01:26
livingtmb0unc3, yeh they are the same01:27
janieach target has it and there's one in scratchboxs main /etc ..01:27
livingtmand it works okay in the x86 target but not the armel01:27
janibasicly i fixed my problme by copying my host os's resolv.conf to scratchbox/etc and also to each target's /etc folder ..01:28
livingtm[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update01:28
livingtmErr file: bora/explicit Packages01:28
livingtm  File not found01:28
livingtm   <-- does this mean if found the server and not the repo?01:28
acydlordWhen I move to seattle I will add "teabag balmer" to my todo list.01:29
janiacydlord: lol01:29
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acydlordi would probably be the open source community's hero for awhile01:30
janii'll start printing "Free Acydlord!" t-shirts and coffee mugs!01:31
janiwhen you do that, i'll be rich!! rich! rich1!! muahahahahahah01:31
livingtmdeb bora free non-free01:31
livingtmdeb-src bora free01:32
livingtmdeb file:/home/livingtm/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit01:32
livingtmis that right?01:32
b0unc3uhm... I have no deb file:/home/livingtm/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit on my source.list01:32
livingtmb0unc3, hm, well it fails well before it gets that far, but Ill comment that out :-)01:32
janilooks about right..01:33
livingtmim lost. i really dont know what to do next01:33
acydlordrm -rf ?01:33
livingtmacydlord, i just did that.. this is a fresh damn install!!!!01:34
unique311getting an incompatible application manager when trying to install the deb packs i just made in scratchbox01:34
janilivingtm: resolv problem ?01:34
livingtmjani, im not positive its a resov problem01:34
janibut apt-get doesnt work  ?01:34
livingtmit looks to me like its hitting the serv er, but its not finding the repo01:34
acydlordi'm watching a tesla coil play the super mario bros theme01:35
b0unc3livingtm: I thinks apt is complaining with that last line....01:35
livingtmb0unc3, commented it out and it didnt help01:36
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pupniki'm pissed off i haven't gotten any work done last couple of months01:38
janisomeone asked what uname under armel prints ?01:39
janiLinux delenn 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 #1 SMP Fri Apr 27 19:48:40 EDT 2007 arm GNU/Linux01:39
b0unc3uhm.... binary-arm_Packages I have binary-armel_Packages...01:39
pupnikunique311: installing on the n800 or in the same scratchbox?01:39
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livingtmb0unc3, thats why i was asking about uname...01:41
livingtmuname shows arm....01:41
janilivingtm: do you know whats akamai ?01:41
unique311wondering if i should packed it for arch armel or any01:41
unique311i packed it for armel.01:42 is akamai host.01:42
tigertakamai is big, distributed cache01:42
janioh, hi tigert01:42
dolskeAkamai runs a content distribution network.01:42
unique311i can manually install the .deb packs with dpkg -i i guess...01:42
b0unc3livingtm: your uname is correct...01:42
janiand your end of the cache isnt working01:43
henktany one help me to instell python?01:43
pupnikunique311: i have no ideas01:43
livingtmany fix?01:43
henktI just downloaded to .install files01:43
henktwhat I am going to do with them01:43
janitigert: you dont happen to work in 5th floor in ruoholahti ? =))01:43
henkthi pupnik01:43
henktI now able to switch to armel target01:44
livingtmso im screwed until the cache updates?01:44
janiwell, you could try using a proxy ..01:44
tigertjani, i do01:44
janiof another isp ..01:44
pupnikgreat henkt.  now the dpkg -i works?01:44
henktbut dpkg -i *.deb do not work01:45
henkt/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set01:45
henktgot the above mssage01:45
livingtmso the repository is cached...01:46
* pupnik blinks01:46
livingtmwell time to drink heavily i guess01:47
pupnikhenkt, do you have a howto for installing scratchbox?01:47
b0unc3livingtm: try to use deb-armel in source.list instead on deb01:47
livingtmE: Type 'deb-armel' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list01:48
pupnikyou should set the cputransparency options to use qemu when you set up the scratchbox target01:48
henktno, scratch box is installed already01:48
janitigert: i thought there was something familar with the face. im that dreadlocked fellow who just started there..01:49
pupnikhenkt: when you set up the armel target, you will be asked in the menu which cputransparency method to use01:49
henkthow I set it?01:49
janiwe've talked some years back when i was working at jippii ..01:49
tigertwhere do you sit?01:50
jani5th floor, in the corner facing the cemetary01:50
livingtmjani sounds lively01:50
henktpupnik, its okey now01:50
tigertsure, i was in saunalahti/jippii years ago01:50
henktI selected all the development kits including cuptrunsp01:51
acydlordhmm, the nokia N800 + Nav-Kit ads are out in force here in the states01:51
acydlordsecond website i've seen today with a tower ad and a block ad01:51
tigertjani, sounds like our wing.01:52
henktwere I put this to .install files. now they are some were on the desktop01:52
janii used to sit in ahmad's room for 2 weeks01:52
janithats me.01:53
b0unc3livingtm: what echo $ARCH says ?01:53
henkt[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -i *.deb01:54
henktdpkg: error processing maemopad_1.5_i386.deb (--install):01:54
henkt package architecture (i386) does not match system (arm)01:54
henktErrors were encountered while processing:01:54
henkt maemopad_1.5_i386.deb01:54
pupnikhehe jani :)01:54
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janilivingtm: well, basicly akamai works in a way that some big isp's in each country have akamai servers.. so if you add a proxy to some other isp, you might get it working ..01:55
b0unc3livingtm: I have armel...01:55
b0unc3try to set it to armel01:55
janitigert: ring any bells ?01:57
pupnikah henkt you can not install _i386.deb s to armel target, only to 86 targets01:57
livingtmb0unc3, nerp, same thing01:57
pupnikhenkt, find the maemopad-----_armel.deb01:58
henktthis is just the output of dpkg -i *.deb01:58
pupnikdpkg -i the individual debs then01:58
henktI want to install python01:58
pupniki don't know exactly what debs you need.  find a howto on installing python 2.5 and follow the instructions01:59
janihenkt: you are trying to install all deb files in current directory and thus you are mixing up i386 and armel packages because you have downloaded them to same directory.01:59
tigertjani, ah, you are the rasta-guy wandering in the alleys? :)01:59
janithe same one.01:59
tigertyea. i dont remember you from jippii-days (so long ago) but i definitely remember you from the office :)02:00
janiyeah, well, i actually wasnt working in jippii the same time as you but we talked few times in irc02:01
henktok, when I download python I got two files which are     base-repository.install    and  python2.5-runtime.install02:01
tigertwill need to say hi next time. though i am on vacation now,02:01
tigertits funny, most finns seem to have worked there :)02:02
janijippii or nokia or both ? =))02:02
henktwhat is the next step pls?02:02
tigertboth i guess =)02:03
tigertok. time to sleep,  ttyl :)02:03
janihenkt: im not really expert in the platform yet ..02:03
pupnikcu tigert02:03
janiyeah hi.. come holler me whan you get back to the office02:03
pupnikhenkt, the .install files are like little scripts that the nokia application installer uses02:04
pupnikthey aren't the .debs you need02:04
janiyep, was about to say the same02:05
pupnikhenkt: according to one howto, you can run command:  apt-get install python2.5*02:06
pupnikhenkt: are you familiar with debian linux yet?02:09
henktI am, excepte with some dificulties02:10
pupnikok if the scratchbox setup is new, you might want to run "apt-get update" first02:10
pupnikif you are lucky, the python2.5 is in your repository02:13
pupnik apt-get install python2.5*02:13
henktcolldent find02:14
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henktE: Couldn't find package pyhton2.5*02:15
pupnikok then it's not in your repository.  you might have maemo2.1 or something02:15
henktI have maemo 3.102:15
pupnikok so i think your repository would be bora?  not sure.  you can see the distro type by looking at /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox02:16
pupnikmistral, scirocco, bora, ... whatever02:16
henktit is bora02:16
pupnikok the instructions in the link said python should be in bora :(02:17
pupnikyou can "apt-cache search python"02:17
pupnikto see if any python packages are available.  otherwise you need to find and download the correct .debs02:18
pupnikand use dpkg -i <filename> to install02:18
henktok brb I will check them02:19
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janithere is python in bora but its not 2.5 its 2.302:31
jani[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/src/maemo-panelclock] > apt-cache search python02:31
janipython - python from Scratchbox02:31
janiidle-python2.3 - idle-python2.3 from Scratchbox02:31
janipython2.3 - python2.3 from Scratchbox02:31
janipython2.3-tk - python2.3-tk from Scratchbox02:31
janipython2.3-dev - python2.3-dev from Scratchbox02:31
jani[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/src/maemo-panelclock] >02:31
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pupnikewwo unique31102:41
unique311not sure....02:42
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unique311started up...02:42
unique311but then exit after 10 seconds..02:42
henktin this link the installation step for python is in x8602:44
pupnikyeah the reason for that is, python doesn't need to be in the armel target02:44
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henktshall I change my target to [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]?02:44
pupniksince it is interpreted, not compiled02:44
pupnikbut if you do other development, it might be more convenient to do all you work in the armel target02:45
henktother develpment?02:45
henktI just run some sample c files on [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]02:46
pupnikso yes, you can do the python stuff in the x86 target02:46
pupnikright but if you compile a c program under x86, it will not run on the nokia02:46
pupnikif you write a python program under x86, it *will* run on the nokia02:47
henktto run c file on nokia i have to compile it again on armel?02:47
pupnikyes that is what the armel SDK target is for.  to compile and run/debug programs for the nokia processor (arm cpu)02:48
henktokey now it is on installing python 2.5  :)02:51
pupnikOnneksiolkoon! :)02:53
henktvahn phuu ...soamia :)02:54
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henktnow I run my helloworld02:54
henkt[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > ./hello_world_1.py02:54
henktTraceback (most recent call last):02:54
henkt  File "./", line 2, in <module>02:54
henkt    import gtk02:54
henkt  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL/", line 83, in <module>02:54
henkt  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL/", line 70, in _init02:54
henktNameError: global name '_gtk' is not defined02:54
pupnikmaybe some gtk library is not installed?02:57
pupniklibgtk2.0-dev ?  i just am guessing02:57
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henktany way how to check that?03:00
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pupniki usually enter the error into google :)03:01
pupnikapt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev would show you whether you have it installed03:01
pupnikbut i don't think that's the right library03:02
henktok :)03:03
henktyes it works now03:08
henktgot the error form Google :)03:08
henktXephyr was not (didnt put the Display :=2)03:08
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henktcio pupnik03:12
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livingtmare there any mirrors to the bora repository?05:26
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edthow do you manually setup a proxy server for opera?  I have a PAN connection bluetooth using a private network and cannot nat on the other end.  Socks proxy would be idea.05:49
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livingtmIm having this issue on my ubuntu feisty install of scratchbox with the bora SDK:  It seems to be an architecture issue. dpkg-architecture does not seem to know about armel, only arm05:56
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livingtmFinally fixed my repository issue if anyone was in on that earlier... The SDK installation script installed into the /scratchbox/devkits directory the following: debian-sarge debian-lenny debian-etch.06:18
livingtmI was unable to "apt-get update" getting Error 404's. The ARMEL target's architecture was arm rather than armel according to dpkg-architecture, which didnt know about armel. I created a simlink debian->debian-etch, reinstalled the SDK, and no longer have problems with the repository06:20
livingtmaparently in debian-sarge didn't know about armel, but etch does.06:20
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schwaI have a question about the n80007:21
schwathe removable memory card slot seems to no longer be working on my n800.  Has anyone else had this proble?07:22
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pruneyHas anyone had the problem where the removable memory card slot stops working?07:26
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unique311k, after a nice littley nap.....07:40
unique311i think i've done it....07:40
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hieptranithello everybody08:19
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pupnik_what zzup08:37
pupnik_hi, my name is pupnik, and i'm a maemoholic08:37
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unique311hey pupnik08:37
unique311i'm done..08:37
unique311you should uplaod the deb packs to the project page on maemo.org08:38
unique311i'm posting on internettablettalk right now...08:38
hieptranitcan anyone help me08:40
hieptraniti am new to maemo and need help on how to add multiple buttons08:41
VimSidepents on what's your problem...08:41
hieptraniti looked at gtk api but there nothing about adding multiple buttons08:41
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hieptraniti want to add a window and inside that window have multiple buttons08:42
pupniknice job unique31108:42
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unique311you got the links?08:43
pupnikhieptranit: maybe looking at the source for a maemo app that has multiple buttons would help08:44
hieptranitwhere can i find these source?08:45
pupnikalmost all programs for nokia are open source08:45
unique311there it is...08:50
pupnikok good job - i'll look at em today08:52
unique311hopefull the debs install on the 77008:53
unique311after installing the fltk and pose you will have my horrible job at icons in the extras folder...08:54
pupnikthis is great stuff09:11
pupnikthe double size pose09:11
unique311its good on the 770?09:11
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unique311if the DEBs work on the 770, i need to edit the post on ITT09:12
pupnikno just looking at screenshots09:13
unique311going to work on adding drop down menu09:14
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unique311thinking a keyboard might not be necessary if i can get that right click pop up to just drop down09:15
unique311map a key to it maybe...09:15
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pupnikpose has a drop down internal keyboard?09:17
unique311the graffiti area..09:17
unique311when you want to write a note....09:18
unique311click on the abc or 12309:18
unique311and it pops up..09:18
unique311which is cool09:18
unique311thats why i position the bottom part of the lcd like i did..09:18
unique311it was not an mistake..09:18
unique311within that rectangle...if you click way in the upper left the clock will show up....bottom left is the abc and bottom right is the 12309:19
unique311that right click menu is the FLTK09:20
unique311well not FLTK but09:21
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unique311the SrcUnix folder inside the Emulator folder..09:23
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pupnikyeah a button to bring up a keyboard would be great09:24
unique311not a keyboard...09:25
unique311don't need that..09:25
unique311pose has the internal keyboard..09:25
pupnikyeah i mean that09:25
pupniki never got the internal keyboard working09:25
unique311well it should work now..09:26
pupnikwith a 'right click'?  (tap and hold?) or a left click on abc/123?09:26
unique311basically the only folder i see needing some type of hildonizing is that SrcUnix folder09:26
unique311seem to work for me..left click on abc or 123 and clock09:28
pupnikok ty09:28
unique311it works..09:29
unique311just tested it out again09:29
unique311upper right corner is contrast09:30
unique311also just realised i can shrink that graffiti pad to fit correctly....the hotspot for the buttons...are all within reach..09:32
unique311next release i will shorten the width09:33
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pupnikboy it's good to have ITT forums... to remember what i did on these ports09:40
pupniknice with the shrunk pad09:41
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floriangood morning10:43
pupnikonward maemo soldiers...10:44
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JaffaMorning, all10:51
* pupnik salutzors10:52
unique311just made a discover...10:53
unique311the arrow buttons left up down right..10:53
unique311and the button in the middle is enter...10:53
unique311well for pose10:55
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AD-N770good morning11:21
* pupnik tries to remember what AD-N770 is known-for11:21
AD-N770could be11:22
AD-N770pupnik: is you game working ?11:22
pupnikTOME?  no progress lately11:22
pupnikjust the curses version11:23
AD-N770I've been busy too last weeks11:23
pupnikschool? work?11:23
AD-N770work, and mainly drive 2h each day11:24
pupnikprogramming, i hope11:24
AD-N770yes, at least is not project management as it was in my previous job11:25
AD-N770I prefer write code than write mails and reports11:25
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pupniktoo bad you can't do telecommuting a few days a week11:25
AD-N770not by now11:26
unique311figured it out...11:40
unique311mousebuttons can be mapped on the skin..11:40
unique311left center right11:40
unique311guessing that'll solve the right click issue with it..11:41
unique311i think11:41
pupnikthat's great.  being able to do things in the skins is very useful.11:42
pupnikavoids having to change the POSE source11:42
unique311read it to quick...11:42
unique311symbol specific mappings..11:42
unique311// Symbol-specific11:43
unique311still have another option...11:44
unique311map the right click key to the FL_Enter key...which is mapped right now to that square button in the middle of the directional pad11:45
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unique311holy shit...pardon my french....12:42
pupnikmaybe he has an unpatched norton firewall :P12:42
unique311the pose package fltk and roms&skin...downloaded so much times..12:42
unique31161 for pose12:42
unique31165 for roms&skin12:43
unique31177 fltk12:43
unique311good stuff12:43
unique311i just figured out the buttom mapping..and compiled a new version...12:43
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unique311happy dayz....13:18
unique311k, so the keymapping scratchbox. now to see if it will play nice with the N800.13:19
unique311F6 which is the fullscreen key for most apps should act as a right click..13:20
pupnikif it works, it will be a right click on the last touched position on the screen13:21
unique311and then installing apps, doing everything pretty much will be keyboard needed..13:22
unique311all it required was modifying 1 file in SrcUnix13:22
unique311going of the fact that some of them worked13:23
unique311now all the keys are mapped.13:23
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unique311it works13:27
unique311it fucking works...pardon my french13:27
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unique311it works.....13:29
unique311right click13:29
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unique311i freaking mapped it to F6 fullscreen button13:30
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livingtmThis tutorial: links to a file which doesnt semto exist. anyone know where i can find it?16:50
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X-Fade_livingtm: This is 0.4.1?
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X-Fade_livingtm: Or this is the 0.4 one:
livingtmX-Fade_, thanks!16:53
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lardmanFrom my limited understanding, it's usual to pass parameters to and return values from a function using the stack17:36
livingtmis there a maemomm example out there that is debianized and ready to build?17:36
lardmanbut, in embedded programming, are 'spare' registers often used instead?17:37
derfI have no idea about ARM conventions, but on x86, return values are almost always in registers, and depending on the calling conventions you instruct the compiler to use, you can also pass parameters in registers.17:39
derf(for example, if you've ever compiled your own kernel, you can choose this option)17:40
lardmanhmm, I'm reading the TMS320 C/C++ docs to see whether they tell me the convention, but if it was written in asm in the first place, I may have to do more guessing17:40
lardmanas there will be no convention17:40
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lardmanthanks for the info17:40
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lardmanderf: Right, well fyi Ti DSPs also pass and return in registers17:47
derfLearn something every day.17:48
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lardmanNot sure it'll be of any use to you mind ;)17:48
lardmanI've another asm question, are there easy ways to spot whether code was written in asm or in c (or perhaps even c++)?17:49
derfIf you know the compiler used to compile it, you can often recognize some of the patterns it uses, and tell when other pieces of code don't follow those patterns.17:50
derfBut I'm not sure if I'd quantify that as "easy".17:51
lardmanOkay, so no hard and fast rules, though the passing conventions might be a clue I guess17:51
derfYeah, calling conventions and stack management are usually big clues.17:51
lardmanActually I should write some test code and look at the asm output17:51
derfThat's what I do. You learn a lot.17:51
lardmancool, thanks17:51
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s-ndh-cdamn the headphone jack on my n770 seems to be broken somehow18:04
s-ndh-ci only have sound on one side18:04
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saerdnaeris it possible to get spare parts for n770 like the small plasic thing around the jacks someware in germany?18:22
livingtmis there a way to use Kdevelop in the host, and set it up to do the compiling in scratchbox?18:22
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Blacksitoxhi :P18:44
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||cwsaerdnaer: you could try calling nokia support18:53
saerdnaerits not so essential18:53
||cwI'd like a spare cover18:54
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saerdnaeryes thats also a nice idea19:17
saerdnaermaybe its possible to mount a 2.5'' hard disc and some batteries on it ;-)19:18
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melmothis it me, or is garage down ?20:05
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sbaturziomelmoth: is down for me too20:06
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pupnikwho brokeded it?20:07
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livingtmIve been able to build an application in the armel target for my n770 using the c++ bindings for gtk/hildon. Now i copied the executable to the nokia device and its missing some shared libraries...20:50
livingtmI added the extras repo to the 770 and cant seem to find anything related to libhildon20:51
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livingtmI didnt use the debian package to install it, i just copied the binary over.. thats probably part of my problem20:55
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b0unc3livingtm: which is the error ?20:58
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pupniklivingtm: you can execute 'ldd <filename>' to see which libraries the executeable needs21:09
* X-Fade_ is watching Nasa tv to see the Shuttle landing on his N800.21:25
pupnikwith mplayer?21:25
X-Fade_No, internal player..21:25
X-Fade_Nasatv has a real player stream.21:26
X-Fade_Just hit the real player link and the internal player pops up.. Works great..21:26
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mbufmaemo platform is only for application development? can we do any kernel development for N800?21:36
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X-Fade_mbuf: Sure you can..21:37
X-Fade_All tools should be there to compile your own kernel etc..21:38
mbufX-Fade_ : from Scratchbox? is the code base separate for maemo and for the Linux kernel?21:38
melmoththere is this (manaworld) sdl c++ game that i can run in scratchbox, but...being sdl and stuff, the virtual keyboard does not pop up in text input21:39
X-Fade_mbuf: Check this out:
melmothis there a way in c++ to have it pop up ? so may be , i could just have a hardware key puping it21:40
mbufX-Fade_ thanks21:40
X-Fade_mbuf: I think that describes all that you need to know..21:40
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mbufX-Fade_ I guess I need to explore the wiki a lot more than what I am doing now, thanks for your help21:41
X-Fade_mbuf: That is not the wiki.. That is the official documentation..21:41
mbufX-Fade_ ahh ok21:42
X-Fade_mbuf: The howtos:
mbufX-Fade_ no wonder i was looking at the wrong place21:42
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X-Fade_Nokia/maemo wants you to experiment with that, so they actually wrote documentation for it ;)21:44
guardianfor what, i'm curious :)21:44
mbufX-Fade_ are you guys looking for some developers, full-time, just curious :)21:44
X-Fade_mbuf: I think they are..21:45
mbufX-Fade_ cool21:46
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X-Fade_Hmm no pure programmer jobs atm..21:47
mbufX-Fade, Yannick's blog,
X-Fade_Heh, they are also looking for another tigert ;)
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mbufdoes the Maemo team have some annual conference or any Live tutorial or demo sessions?21:51
X-Fade_Guadec for sure. But they visited a lot of conferences..21:52
mbufi see21:53
mbufX-Fade_ thanks for your help, will catch up sometime later21:57
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melmothwhat is supposed to be the audio device ?23:19
melmoth /dev/dsp  ?23:19
melmothor is it alsa ?23:19
melmoth like, /dev/snd/something ?23:20
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tigertits gstreamer23:26
acydlordand damn i want a pair of full immersion 3d surround headphones23:29
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melmothoh, cool. There are gstreamer python module23:33
melmothand even a tutorial23:33
melmothNow, the original idea is this post:
melmothwich i think is splendid (my neighboors are quite...noisy sometimes)23:34
melmothIs there an easy way to use gstreamer to synthetise a white or pink noise, or is reading a wav file in loop the other option ?23:34
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melmoth :)23:39
livingtmpupnik, b0unc3 the file that is missing from the 770 is
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melmothcrap, whitenoise use /dev/dsp as well...23:51
melmothso, anybody knows if gstreamer can be use as a synth ?23:51
melmoththe problem is to have zero interruption , so playing a mp3 in loop would not be that cool (slight pause before restarting)23:52
||cwyou need a gapless player23:53
kakosAnyone know if someone has made rdiff-backup-1.1.x for the n800?23:53
* melmoth wonder if ukmp is gapless..23:54
melmothwhere is kontori when one needs him ? :)23:54
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