IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-06-21

thoughtfixPlus I have been collecting a MASSIVE series of Q/A's for the planned FAQ00:01
devtrevarthan:, according to this there once was an app - a2play - that got the audio from stdin and send it to the headset00:02
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trevarthandev: yeah, but why would I bother? mplayer is available for maemo, along with alsa. Why would I go through the hassle of trying to use gst? If the nokia devs want to go that route then that's fine with me, but I don't have that kind of time. It wouldn't offer any advantages anyway. I can't modify the gst pipelines of already compiled software...00:06
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konttorithoughtfix: no worries ;)00:11
konttoriHey. Cool. Now the downloading works perfectly.00:12
konttoriJust a small tuneup and I can package a sneak peak version.00:12
thoughtfixAny woman who will lend me her green laser pointer to play with AND can beat me at scrabble gets dibs over blogging.00:12
konttoriIt's holiday time here in Finland (midsummers fest) and I won't be around much until monday.00:12
thoughtfixHmm ... maybe I'll get a passport and visit Finland. Wonder if I can have lunch with some of the maemo team :D00:13
konttoriI'm 100% certain.00:13
konttoriNokia guys  go out with the community once in while. It's not too hard to convince them. It's payable time for them to interact with the community00:14
trevarthankonttori: are you packaging up pymp? Or some other mplayer front end?00:14
konttoriNope, I'm packaging uktube now00:14
thoughtfixWell step 1 is to get the passport and step 2 is to arrange the trip. Those could take time00:15
konttoriuktube will let you play youtube using mplayer.00:15
konttorifrontend will suck, but it'll get the job done00:15
trevarthanbasically a youtube -> divx converter?00:16
trevarthanalright, well, I'm out of here. Later folks.00:18
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konttoriNope, it's just youtube to flash video converter00:19
konttoriIt takes the crap out of everything. You just paste the youtube page url to it.00:19
konttoriAnd once video is downloaded, it'll just play00:19
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Milhouse2any nokia bugzilla support available?00:24
Milhouse2trying to submit a comment on an existing bug and getting a database error00:25
thoughtfixYou need support ON Bugzilla?00:25
thoughtfixHi Millhouse :)00:25
Milhouse2hi daniel :)00:25
thoughtfixWhat's the URL?00:26
Milhouse2yes, was hoping someone might be lurking here as it's crapping out00:26
Milhouse2suppose the mailing list is my only option... no point filing a new bug :)00:26
thoughtfixIt's half past midnight in Helsinki, so I doubt it.00:26
Milhouse2what? we don't have global support??!00:26
konttorihowcan I force gtk window to update?00:27
thoughtfixHmm ... I am able to browse bugzilla without a problem00:28
Milhouse2yeah, i'm trying to submit a new comment00:28
konttoriWhat is the  equivalent of drawscreen in gtk?00:28
Milhouse2this a screenshot of the error:
thoughtfixAaah I just hit a database error too00:29
thoughtfixYep ... looks similar00:29
Milhouse2I'll file a report on maemo developers00:29
thoughtfixDude that looks like an XP screen! Get up with the times!00:30
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konttoriOk, until I get that info, I can't update the download progress00:31
konttoriI'll now package.00:31
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Milhouse2XP - it works surprisingly well for me :) I'll wait until SP2 of Vista before giving that a spin, and I'm more of a Linux Server fan than desktop (although if I could get Beryl to work properly I could be sold...)00:32
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thoughtfixBeryl is gorgeous but unfinished. Vista is gorgeous but unfinished. My primary computer is a Core2 Duo iMac :o00:32
Milhouse2One day I'll build a modern PC as a Linux test machine... I only have Linux Server running on some old dual Pentium 3 Supermicro server board I picked up off ebay00:32
thoughtfixI just cheat and use Parallels when I need a Linux workstation. I have a dedicated Linux server (from which I am IRCing if you see my /whois)00:33
Milhouse2I keep talking myself out of buying a Mac :)00:35
Milhouse2I just don't need one... I'd like one but probably wouldn't use it!00:35
thoughtfixI wish I did. I got it in Feb. after I was disappointed with Vista since they were promising a Spring Leopard release00:35
thoughtfixThen once Apple realized everyone was disappointed with Vista, they said "Hey! It's safe now! We'll push back Leopard!"00:36
thoughtfixNow six months later with new drivers, device, and tweak support, I kinda like Vista.00:36
* sxpert prefers his penguins for some reason00:37
thoughtfixgah... I can't say your name in my head without hearing "sex spurt"  - but yeah - Linux is better as a server and embedded OS00:37
* sp3000 completely randomly brings up the good old expertsexchange00:38
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Milhouse2Before I replace my existing "main" PC (I also have a Win2K3 server and a Linux server) I'll build a new PC and dual boot Linux+Beryl and Vista00:39
thoughtfixGood thing they added the dash to that URL00:39
Milhouse2Undecided which distro to go with, but if Ubuntu 7.10 comes bundled with Beryl I'll definately give that a spin00:39
Milhouse2I've normally stuck with Suse for the server00:39
thoughtfixI hate dual-booting. I'd rather have one OS per machine and have the machine built to handle that OS00:39
Milhouse2maybe i'll take a look at virtualisation00:40
thoughtfixThough slower and less flexible, I prefer virtualization over dual booting any day.00:40
gla55yeah it's much nicer..00:40
gla55booting sucks00:40
Milhouse2i think all the current cpus support virtualisation nopw00:40
Milhouse2hmmm... irc bot sleeping?00:41
thoughtfixExcept for the lack of some advanced video functions, I've never been dissatisfied with XP MCE running in a Parallels VM00:41
thoughtfixI give the VM 512M RAM leaving the other 1.5G for MacOS00:41
Milhouse2oh thats the other thing i want but don't need - Vista MCE thingy (still found nothing better than my TiVo Series 1!)00:42
thoughtfixI miss my PC games sometimes, but having a Wii compensates. Also, I rebuilt my Media Center box to be a Core2 Duo 1.8 with 2GB RAM and Vista Home Premium :D00:42
Milhouse2Is Parallels free with OS X?00:42
Milhouse2or is it a seperate product?00:42
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thoughtfixIt's a different company00:42
thoughtfixbut they just released 3.000:42
thoughtfixand I upgraded00:42
thoughtfixThe cool part about 3.0 is that it cross-mounts drives when booted.00:43
thoughtfixSo your Windows drive appears on your Mac and vice versa as network drives00:43
thoughtfixAnd it supports Boot Camp partitions00:43
Milhouse2oh i see - $80 for Parallels Desktop 3.000:43
thoughtfixSo you can boot up your Boot Camp OS from inside Parallels00:43
Milhouse2How is this different to VMWare?00:44
thoughtfixI don't know how it switches the drivers from native to virtualized00:44
thoughtfixbut it does00:44
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gla55is there vmware for osx? (not virtualpc..)00:45
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thoughtfixI don't know00:45
Milhouse2gla55 - don't know, would have thought there might be00:45
Milhouse2yes, there is00:46
Milhouse2"Run Windows XP & Vista on Your Mac with Ease00:46
Milhouse2Now in beta, VMware Fusion enables you to run Windows XP and Vista on your Intel-based Mac without rebooting. Increase productivity, reduce hardware costs and bridge the gap between Windows and Mac OS X by taking advantage of VMware Fusion’s:00:46
Milhouse2then select "Mac Users"00:47
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Milhouse2still beta so no price00:47
Milhouse2so thats two better options than dual booting if you have an x86 PC :)00:48
gla55i hate dual booting for the reason that i hate booting at all00:48
gla55..and i use windows mostly00:49
gla55i hate to bring up all the apps after boot00:49
gpdanyone have any luck with gmediaserver and canola: or shoudl I try mediatomb / fuppes / twonky / other?00:49
gla55and cmdline windows i use for building and shti00:49
k-s[WORK]gpd: fuppes00:49
k-s[WORK]gpd: it's the best so far00:49
k-s[WORK](I'm the canola developer that worked with upnp)00:50
gpdk-s[WORK]: does it store the media and not have to rescan after boot: gmediaserver is not good at that00:50
k-s[WORK]twonky is good too, but it's not free... never tested mediatomb00:50
gpdok fuppes it is then... thanks00:50
k-s[WORK]gpd: I don't remember00:50
k-s[WORK]gpd: fuppes and mediatomb seems to work with PS3 too :-)00:50
gpdit would be nice if MythTV worked with music but it seems to be broken in 0.2000:51
gpdI don't suppose there are any plans to support mythtv video in canola... leave that to gmyth?00:51
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k-s[WORK]gpd: yes, there are plans00:52
k-s[WORK]gpd: gmyth guys are from the same office00:53
gpdsweet :D00:53
k-s[WORK]gpd: but we're working on some reorganization here00:53
k-s[WORK]you'll probably see a 2.0 before 1.0 turns final :-P00:53
k-s[WORK]scriptable with python00:53
k-s[WORK]better and enhanced UI00:53
gpdsounds super cool00:54
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k-s[WORK]gpd: I'm working on UI infra, possible it will help others, like konttori00:55
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konttoriinteresting. what kind of nfra?00:56
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k-s[WORK]konttori: remember that Evas/Edje I've told you?00:56
k-s[WORK]konttori: I've some good improvements with my Evas software_16 engine over plain 32bpp00:57
k-s[WORK]konttori: SDL/PyGame already does 16bpp... but due some optimizations I can do even better00:57
konttoriahh... very nice00:57
k-s[WORK]konttori: have you played with Evas/Edje?00:57
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konttoriumm.. nope.00:58
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k-s[WORK]konttori: please take a look when you have time00:58
k-s[WORK]konttori: you could try to rewrite UKMP UI using it, at least the basics are really easy00:59
k-s[WORK]konttori: but python bindings just cover 32bpp engine, so it will be slower than what you'll get with my version00:59
konttorisounds nice.01:00
konttoriotoh. i feel python is fast enough for my needs01:00
thoughtfixkonttori: How did you make that video for Theme Maker?01:00
k-s[WORK]konttori: but you can try it on PC and ASAP I create the python bindings for 16bpp and you get my word it will be fast enough01:00
konttoriI just made a slideshow with the apples keynote01:00
thoughtfixOh neat01:00
konttoriAnd exported it as movie01:00
konttoriI'm running out of time to try it at the moment.01:01
konttoriI can try some time next week though.01:01
k-s[WORK]konttori: no problem01:01
k-s[WORK]konttori: I'm finishing image scale code, then I have almost everything I need01:02
k-s[WORK]konttori: polygons and gradient will be left for later time, but I don't think you use those yourself01:02
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konttoriprobably wouldn't no.01:02
* gpd notes spectacular lack of documentation for fuppes01:02
konttorihow do I make a dpkg without the debian folder?01:03
k-s[WORK]konttori: ok, so except by reflections, you can do all those things using Edje theme system! it's really cool and impressive01:03
k-s[WORK]konttori: you can create control.tar.gz, release and data.tar.gz files01:04
konttoriNice! Fast as well?01:04
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k-s[WORK]them "ar" them... just check wiki01:04
konttoriI'm using dpkg -b.01:04
k-s[WORK]konttori: yes! Really fast with my backend01:04
konttoriI don't have ar on my mac01:04
konttoriI only have dpkg01:04
k-s[WORK]konttori: just check   I can help you to setup stuff01:04
k-s[WORK]konttori: python bindings are in CVS, under e17/proto/python-efl/01:05
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Markov__E works on the n800?01:05
k-s[WORK]Markov__: yes!01:05
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k-s[WORK]Markov__: I'm working with raster to finish the 16bpp engine ASAP01:06
gla55nice, nice01:06
Markov__that's awesome01:07
Markov__i was using it on a gentoo box at home01:07
Markov__never guess it would work with maemo01:07
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Markov__a happy coincidence01:07
k-s[WORK]gotta go01:09
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adoyleAnyone know if there's a problem with the wiki or is it me?03:35
adoyle does not work03:35
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inzDamn touchpad... I just accidentally deleted one maemo-developers email from gmail spam folder :/09:06
inz/me wants a touch screen on laptop too ;)09:06
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konttoriI need some help with python & gtk09:28
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konttoriHow can I make gtk refresh the screen?09:29
konttoriI tried adding short sleep to the app, but that didn't help09:30
inzgtk refreshes the screen during main loop09:34
inzIn C you can handle any pending events with: while (gtk_events_pending()) gtk_main_iteration();09:35
inzI'm guessing you can do that in python too09:35
inzjust replace the first underscore with period09:38
unique311konttori, mapping the skin was easy actually...09:38
melmothkonttori, if you are doing something that is I/O intensive (such as downloading a file...), you have to do it in a separate thread09:38
melmothotherwise, your app will feel frozen09:39
unique311did 2 skins..the palmV and the m18009:39
melmothwell, that s in pure gtk..May be a dbus call to a download script ?09:39
inzmelmoth, not necessarily, asynchronous I/O can be done too09:39
unique311uploading a video now...i have screenshots..will upload those to flicker09:39
melmothmhh, oh yes, with gnome-vfs there are some async file transfert commande possible09:39
inzI think gnome-vfs uses threads, but anyway ;)09:40
konttorimelmoth: thanks for the info. I just hoped there was an easier way.09:41
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konttoridamn, that stings.09:41
inzAsynchronous stuff tends to take a bit more effort, but then again threads can (will) bite you too ;)09:41
unique311here's screenshots...09:45
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unique311on youtube...a quck search for N800 running palm OS 4.1 wiil bring up the video..09:49
konttoriunique311: really nice09:49
unique311thanks...pupnik should be here for this.09:49
unique311his project....09:49
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unique311not sure if i should package it up...09:50
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rwhitbyunique311: please do package it up09:58
unique311i'll try to get it done by morning....10:00
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zuhunique311: didn't find the video, you don't happen to have the url for it?10:08
unique311hold on10:10
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rwhitbyunique311: are you packaging the whole pose, or just your skins?  If the latter, do you have a url for the rest of the pose application?11:01
JaffaMorning, all11:02
gpdFYI: mediatomb works well with canola as UPnP server11:08
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* konttori got the downloader working properly now. Will publish it in a few minutes.11:15
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konttoriNow, bear in mind that it's mostly a proof of concept, but it should serve as a nice tool as well.11:21
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rwhitbykonttori: I just happen to have rwhitby-n800 running x-chat, so I can download that directly from the x-chat session there :-)11:33
konttoriIt's there - ready for consumption.11:34
konttoriBundled with ukmp 1.3 as I didn't have the time to make a separate package.11:34
* rwhitby runs uktube11:35
rwhitbygot a handle url you know works?11:35
* rwhitby has only really used youtube to watch some google edu videos11:35
* gpd runs UKMP for first time11:40
rwhitbykonttori: does it save the video somewhere, so you have play it again while you're offline?11:41
* rwhitby watches it download 160MB ...11:41
konttoriAll youtube urls should work11:42
rwhitbyI'm testing that one above right now11:42
gpdlooks genious: only problem is taht google maps cache takes up all the space on my 2G car11:42
konttorigpd. maybe you need to have 2 cards. And swap every once in a while.11:43
gpdright now I am ignoring the problem by not leaving the house and using UPnP :D11:43
konttoriIf you want a little smaller clip. try this:
konttorithat's 6 mb11:44
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gpdanyone know a fancy system to sync random songs or playlists to an sd card or other location?11:46
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rwhitbykonttori: can you do the same magic for google videos?11:49
konttoriI don't know. probably.11:49
gpdkonttori: do I need to restart to rescan media cards?11:49
gpdkonttori: also, is there a way to exclude dirs from the scan?11:50
konttoriIt will exclude dir titled: Maps11:50
konttoriSo, put everything you don't want scanned in there.11:50
gpdhmm.. all my maps are in Cache :(11:50
konttoriAnyway, it'll make a db of your files, so after first start it'll be quite fast.11:50
rwhitbykonttori: how do I replay something that has been downloaded earlier?11:51
gpdGenius use of the + and - buttons for volume btw!11:51
konttoriotoh: if you have maemo mapper maps, put them to a folder called: Maps11:51
konttorirwithby: open mplayer11:51
konttorithey'll be in the list11:51
konttorigpd: thanks!11:51
gpdok copied a folder of music: found and running -- loving it :D11:52
rwhitbykonttori: ah, I guess I need to install mplayer separately :-)11:52
rwhitbyanyone got a handle url for mplayer download?11:53
gpdkonttori: I would expect the pause to switch to play image as a former mac user11:54
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gpdhmm. maybe just a little buggy as it does it sometimes but not others11:55
konttorigpd: it is sometimes a bit buggy.11:55
gpdkonttori: so how do i initiate a rescan?11:56
konttoriOpen it again11:56
gpdok - so restart the app, no problem11:56
konttoriThere is instructions on uktube install.11:56
konttoriit includes mplayer install link11:56
gpdI'd say the exit button isn't obvious if I were to comment on such a minor thing11:57
konttoriMade it while we were discussing, so sorry for idling11:57
AD-N770good morning11:57
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gpdkonttori: fantastic work all round: some other comments if you care...11:58
gpdas I often listen to very long tracks (2hrs) it would be nice to have the option of a progress slider: but i realize this is painful / no light11:59
konttoriyeah. been thinking about it to be included at some point12:00
konttoridid you notice that there is a seek functionality (keep dpad pressed right /left)12:00
gpdjust noticed the D-pad in general : very good addition12:01
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gpdkonttori: I am having difficulty faulting it! great app - your work is very much appreciated.  If you have plans for UPnP support then you will be my hero forever!12:04
konttoriI am collaborating with coherence guys on making that happen12:04
konttoriI hope it does.12:04
konttoriIt's just that this is all for free and I have only so much time in a day to do pro bono work.12:04
konttoriperhaps nokia could subsidise me ;)12:05
gpdof course! and canola fills that gap so not really necessary: don't want the kitchen sink12:05
gpdI need to think about an app that will allow me to sync a folder of music to the N800 with a daily selection of tunes12:05
konttoriuse itunes. works wonderfully for me12:06
gpditunes smart playlists? syncing to where?12:07
konttoriI'm using party list set to large enough size, then press the recreate party list and I then copy those songs to the device12:08
gpdnice idea: will try it12:08
rwhitbykonttori: nice work on uktube.  works for me perfectly.12:10
konttorirwithby. great to hear that!12:10
rwhitbyI'll be able to watch the linus git video on the bus home thanks to you :-)12:10
konttoriGreat! And thanks to you I'm listening to it right now.12:11
`0660that was an entertaining video :)12:12
konttoriAnyway, a really good youtube player could be derived from that uktube proof of concept app12:12
konttoriBut, I hope that app will suffice for a while.12:13
rwhitbykonttori: any idea if there would be a way for the click and hold in the browser to give an option to pass the url to uktube?12:15
konttorisomeone could make a opera plugin12:16
`0660is it possible to make plugins in opera?12:16
`0660probably not :/12:18
konttoriit is possible12:20
konttoriflash is a plugin in there12:20
konttoriand so is the nokias real media tool12:20
konttoriI'm making a video example in a sec.12:21
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c0ffeeleo beduerfnisse12:27
c0ffeeignore that12:27
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Anidelgood morning guys12:40
gwakdoes anybody know what nokia does with the Semantic Web site?12:58
konttoriI just uploaded demonstration video of UKTUBE to youtube:
konttori<spam>Everyone! Download!!!!! </spam>13:05
gwakdo not taunt the show video button ;-]13:07
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gwakhere is a spoof of the ms surface thing13:09
konttoriI was just watching that in the demo video. It's a good one.13:09
konttorihmm.. odd.. It's not on planet maemo rss feed13:14
konttorithe blog I mean13:14
osfameronthough acutally, I think the table idea isn't taht bad13:14
konttorinope. good things about the idea.13:14
konttoriit's just not revolutionary, and not worth 10k13:15
gwaki agree, i think it would be great to to have at pub13:15
konttoriok, it may ed up being revolutionary. bt not worth 10k.13:15
X-Fadekonttori: The cool thing is, that it isn't a touchscreen..13:16
gwaki like the idea of setting you mobile phone on the display13:16
konttoriyeah. we have a media wall here in helsinki that works in the same way.13:16
X-Fade Touchlight is also nice..13:17
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konttoriFor those of you using uktube, here is youtube link:
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konttoriNow, isn't it wonderfull that finally those with 3g connections and 800 can actually see those youtube links that are so persistent these days?13:18
konttorianyway, the wall in helsinki is using projector and is much larger than the example video in that youtube clip13:18
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konttoriX-Fade: looks nice!13:23
konttoriahh.. rss feed has been updated. uktube link is now there.13:29
konttorirwithby: If a plugin to opera was possible, it would be great to just modify all youtube areas on pages to buttons that say play in fullscreen.13:41
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konttoriGood article on dvelopment practices:
konttoriI like the: Development By Denial (DBD)13:48
konttorimust be part of quite a few projects out there13:48
konttoriOh! I just realized I'v been in a company that practiced: Not allowed to do development (NADD)13:49
konttoriBack in the days they outsourced the developemnt to some big cosulting agencies, who didn't either have any developers around13:49
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perrorhi all... I'm getting some problems connecting to a WPA/EAP/TLS network. When I need to select certificate to use, I get only the "None" option although I have registered the certificate in the certificate manager (for "Authorities"). Any hints, ideas are welcome. ^_^14:00
konttorisounds odd that you registered it as authorities14:01
konttoriauthorities means that they are allowed to create certificates14:01
konttoriI think you should install the certificate to another location14:01
perrorHmmm. And install it as "user"...14:01
perrorI give this a try. Thanks ! ;)14:02
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pupnikhi unique31114:05
pupnikacydlord: AD-N770 derf gla55 JussiP keesj koen konttori kulve MDK_ mgedmin sbaturzioAtWork sxpert timeless tigert tko14:07
pupnikjust saying hi14:07
konttoripupnik: try the uktube. It rocks!14:07
pupnikeven on a 770?14:08
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unique311i solved the issue with pose14:08
unique311well not completetly14:08
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pupnikwhat issue14:09
unique311i was definitely not looking forward to packaging it up...want to package it up pupnik...14:09
unique311instead of going fullscreen...14:10
pupnikhey double size14:10
unique311modified the skin file to move the touchscreen and buttons to setup with a customized skin file..14:11
unique311have 2 custome skins so far the m505 and the m13014:12
pupnikhows text entry on teh n80014:13
unique311descent... on on the notepad..14:14
unique311well actually good..14:14
unique311had to work on the graffiti area...14:14
unique311so abc and 123 could be chosen..14:15
unique311only discrep on the 2 skins i did..14:15
florianhi all14:15
unique311but all the buttons are mapped..14:15
unique311which is good..14:15
unique311pretty much did a 720x420 skin.14:15
pupnik human trebuchet / new transportation14:16
unique311so will you make a deb file now?14:17
unique311the project is yours on maemo.14:17
unique311aww man..14:17
pupniki don't have the source14:17
pupniki mean the skin14:17
unique311i have them...think i worked on them all day to just keep for self...14:18
pupnikhey i like the blue one too14:18
pupnikno sorry14:19
pupnikyeah it would be great to put it into a package for garage14:20
pupnikthis is great news unique31114:20
pupnikgood work14:21
unique311it just work...14:21
unique311i'll pack it up....14:22
unique311it'll be a good learning experience.14:22
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unique311was suppose to have it this morning...but fell asleep on a video i was watching last night..14:22
pupnikthe black skin on flickr looks great14:23
unique311the m13014:23
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unique311palmV uses OS4.014:23
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unique311got a couple of apps installed and running..14:23
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unique311HostFS works...14:23
unique311looking for a way to make it pick up SD card...14:24
unique311guessing the SD card needs to be formatted fo this...14:24
unique311i have extraz..a little reseatch on that will not take long.14:25
gla55shouldn't it just be fat?14:25
gla55if it accesses it directly14:25
unique311never own a palm..14:25
unique311well i did...long time ago..14:25
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unique3112002 version years of palm14:25
unique311when i click on card displays no Card inserted..14:27
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gla55i had a tungsten a while back14:28
gla55the sd card read just fine in a card reader iirc as fat..14:28
gla55on that particular model scummvm didn't run though14:28
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pupnikhave you tried unique311's new version gla55 ?14:31
unique311i didn't share the .skin and the jpegs file yet pupnik.14:32
unique311i wanted to at least package pose up before doing so.14:33
gla55pupnik: no14:33
unique311if i fail at doing so, then i will just tar everything up and upload it and share it..14:34
inz(the screenshot is taken and uploaded with MH Shot tool ;)14:38
unique311that i like14:38
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konttoriinz: very nice!!14:41
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tigertinz: yay!14:44
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inzGotta flash a fresh bora to se if it works on N80014:46
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inzOr if I have to recompile for it14:46
inz(already in mistral repository)14:46
inzThe UI is shitty.. I wanted to make it a dialog, but it just doesn't work :(14:47
inzOr then I should've used the mobile profile, that might actually work better.14:48
acydlordi'm waiting for my torrents to finish so i can get the bora sdk again14:48
acydlordrealized i never downloaded it when i did this recent debian install lol14:49
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inzfeh, need to rebuild...15:07
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inz now it runs on n800 too ;)15:16
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henktI lost my /scratchbox/tools/bin/env    file16:18
henktany help?16:18
pupnikyou have a backup?16:19
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henktam not sure16:28
henktam a bit new for this environement16:28
pupniki don't have a scratchbox machine here, so i can't check16:29
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ian_brasilhi...anyone can give a very quick explanation for the difference between the 'home' 'task navigator' or 'statusbar' options when creating a hildon desktop plugin16:34
pupnikhenkt, either setup another scratchbox target or reinstall one somewhere16:35
inzian, 'home' goes to the "desktop", visible only when no other windows open16:35
inzian, 'task navigator' goes to the bar on the left16:35
inzian, and 'statusbar' goes to the bar on top16:36
ian_brasilexcellent...thanks very much16:36
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henktpupnik, I dont want to install maemo again16:55
henktwill Xephyr has to be re installed also? if I remove and install scratch box?16:59
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pupnikif you do it in kvm / vmware it makes backups/snapshots easy, but beware, it can lead to large drive images17:03
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henktso what I do now?17:13
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aruizhi there17:22
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aruizdoes anyone knows how to setup a WPA instead of WEP enabled key for the N800?17:22
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gla55only ever used wpa-psk17:24
henktpupnik, r u there?17:25
pupniki don't know whether that file is part of the scratchbox target17:26
pupnikor if you need to reinstall scratchbox17:26
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henktI am going to install scratchbox-core17:32
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henktpupnik, can u tell me the steps to install   scratchbox-core-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz17:37
pupnikyou can tar xzvf scratchbox-core*17:37
pupnikthen find . -name env in that directory17:38
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pupnikor use konqueror or something to find your missing file17:38
pupniki think :017:38
henktok let me check17:38
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henkthi, pupnik, it works now tanks a lot17:50
henktI wanted to run helloworld written with python on maemo platform18:03
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henktafter I make the file "" executable18:03
henktwhen I run ./hello_world_1.py18:04
henktit says18:04
henkt/scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory18:04
henkt/scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory18:04
henkt/scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory18:04
henktany idea?18:05
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pupnikdoes your have #! python2.5 in the first line?18:07
henktit is   #!/usr/bin/env python2.518:07
pupnikdo you have python 2.5 installed?18:09
pupniki don't think it comes with scratchbox18:09
henktI think so. how to check18:09
pupnikapt-cache policy python2.518:10
henkton scratch box or outside scratchbox ?18:10
pupnikpython2.5: Installed: (none)18:10
pupnikinside sb18:10
pupniki don't have it installed18:10
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henktit said      W: Unable to locate package python2.518:12
pupniki think some people have made packages for python2.5 but they are not in the standard repository18:12
pupnikgoogle maemo and python2.518:12
henktI downloaded two .install files    Base repository Python 2.5 installer18:15
henktwhat I do next18:16
pupnikok you can dpkg -i *.deb18:18
pupnikwhatever deb file you got18:18
pupnikyou might have to add them in a certain order.  usually libraries (lib*) first18:18
pupniki have no experience with python though18:18
pupnikit will inform you of any missing dependencies18:19
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henktdpkg: error processing kerez_0.0.2-1_armel.deb (--install):18:25
henkt package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386)18:25
henktErrors were encountered while processing:18:25
henkt kerez_0.0.2-1_armel.deb18:25
pupnikok that means you are in the i386 target18:25
pupnikscratchbox can run in several different 'targets'18:25
henktbut i did it out side sb18:25
pupnikwell those .deb files must be installed on a 770/800 or within the scratchbox 'armel' target18:26
pupnikthis is an environment that emulates the cpu of the nokia18:26
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henktam on [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]  now18:29
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pupnikyeah you need to use sb-menu to switch to sb-arm or sb-armel18:35
pupnikif you have set it up18:35
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henktwhen i enter       sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL18:38
henktit ask me to close x18:39
pupnikah yes18:39
henkthow to close it18:39
pupnikisn't sb-conf outdated?  i forgot18:39
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henktI thik sb-conf or sb-menu both work18:40
pupniki think scratchbox wants you to close other login sessions18:44
pupnikyou can have multiple logins to scratchbox targets18:44
henktyes I couldnt18:44
henktsb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first18:46
pupnikyeah "exit" or Ctrl-d18:46
henktthen it will get out form scratchbox18:51
henktwhen I log in to sb inistally, it gose to [sbox-SDK_x86:~]18:53
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henktokey cio then will try to change my target and install python18:56
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unique311after changing my routers ip address....scratchbox apt-get update worn't work..20:10
unique311the net works fine..20:10
unique311but when i run apt-get update doesn't seem to want to work..20:11
unique3114% [Connecting to] [Connecting to catalogue.tableteer.noki[20:11
unique311thats all20:11
unique311i get20:11
unique311hmmm just tried wget and thats not working either20:12
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unique311Resolving failed: Host not found.20:13
unique311help me howard20:13
b0unc3unique311: take a look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf20:14
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unique311stuck on that default 1.120:16
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Andy80_an OT question :\ anyone of you has a copy of Nokia Software Update for N-Series older than 1.3.83 ?20:22
gla55o O20:23
Andy80_because the latest version is bugged20:25
Andy80_and I cannot update my N7320:25
Andy80_it says "Phone not supported"20:25
Andy80_while the old version has alway worked fine20:25
gla55is there a newer firmware then for your product code?20:27
gla55it's possible to change the product code too with some trouble20:27
Andy80_I currently have 2.x firmware...20:27
Andy80_and I know that 3.0705.* is available20:27
Andy80_the product code... is not a problem ;) the problem is NSU :(20:28
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Andy80_I'm going to eat something, see ya later... ps: gla55: if you have an older version of NSU it would be great if you could send it to me :)20:31
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pupnikmmm the archos 605 looks nice -- 800x480 screen20:56
pupnikstarts at $22920:56
pupnikwifi, opera...20:56
gla55yeah not half bad20:57
janiquite cheap..20:58
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acydlordyeah, i saw that bugger on engadget20:58
acydlordhas anyone played with the maemo webkit?20:58
janijust read the project page, i think it said that its still in planning phase ?20:59
gla55seems so20:59
gla55would be a nice project20:59
gla55i dunno why nokia hasn't pushed it20:59
acydlordi keep shotting myself in the foot on projects, 2 of the main projects i was working on got put on hold for awhile thanks to APIs being changed on me21:00
gla55they're very disconnected teams.. nokias web guys and maemo..  thats what the nokia web fellow said anyhow21:00
acydlordi wish the people on the nokia end would push the industry a bit better21:00
acydlordthey've got the financial backing21:01
acydlordi wascracking up the other day by the comment of one of the nokia heads about touch screen technology21:01
acydlordsaying that they don't see people wanting it on mobile devices yet21:01
gla55such a question depends highly on the context..21:02
janiwebkit or what?21:02
gla55if it was about mobile phones21:02
acydlordi believe it was something about the iphone challenging current smart phones21:03
acydlordand if they felt challenged by the touch screen21:03
gla55acydlord: well, on certain features 7710 is much more capable than iphone.. :)21:03
gla55rumor has it there's touchscreen s60's coming21:03
acydlordone of my friends was bragging on the iphone awhile back noting features21:03
pupniksome people will prefer tactile feedback21:03
acydlordand i was like "i have that, yep have that, that too"21:03
pupnikthe iphone is 480x320 res?21:04
gla55yea i think21:04
acydlordthink so21:04
acydlordi read a funny article yesterday on different form factor iphone options21:04
acydlordand they did a product mockup for iphone nano and iphone shuffle21:05
acydlordany idea on how hard it is to hildonize gtk apps?21:07
janifrom what i've looked at the code ..21:08
janimost of the stuff is that there's there's few main hildon components like main window and such and then rest of the code is just gtk api's ...21:09
acydlordshouldnt be too hard then21:09
janiwell, there are few dialogs that are hildon specific but alas, they are not that different from gtk ..21:10
acydlordi'm trying to decide wheteher to be lazy and port a current linux twitter app, or if it would be worth the time writing my own21:12
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tkoacydlord: the minimum you need is to replace gtk_window_new with hildon_window_new -- sometimes that might be enough, though usually you'd be better off redesigning the UI21:13
tkoacydlord: and I hope you meant jaiku not twitter :)21:13
acydlordi meant twitter21:13
acydlordbut it would not be hard for it to work in both21:13
pupnikheh, still nothing out there to make me consider selling my 77021:13
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janiyeah, obviously the biggest issue is that your ui is much smaller and thus most apps dont fit to the screen ;)21:13
acydlordwhat i would really like to build is a jaiku/twitter/plazer21:13
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acydlordbecause added a "what are you doing" textbox21:14
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acydlordthe UI is not dramatically smaller than a windowed application though21:17
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janibtw, anyone here running scratchbox on fc6?21:17
pupniknah.  i'd recommend sidux but the kernels aren't scratchbox compatible21:21
janiwell, i got ubunto at work so things work there, just thinking if i could tinker something on freetime and i wouldnt like the idea to reinstall my box..21:23
infobotjani meant: well, i got ubuntu at work so things work there, just thinking if i could tinker something on freetime and i wouldnt like the idea to reinstall my box..21:23
acydlordi got sick of ubuntu21:23
acydlordi switched to fedora to find out scratchbox hates it21:23
acydlordso now i'm running debian etch21:23
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_Shurik_oh really? How about fc7?21:24
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acydlordthats what i was running21:24
janiwell, its not my choice of a distro either but it was mandated.21:24
acydlordunderstandable jani21:24
acydlordseems to be the market's choice as of late21:24
_Shurik_haven't tried installing scratchbox yet on fc.. sux21:24
acydlordfedora isn't really a developers enviroment21:25
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acydlordthe've been spending more time on eyecandy21:25
jani*crickets* *thumbleweed*21:28
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_Shurik_so no way to get it working in fc?21:29
acydlordMan i sure am glad to see all my friends who actually went to college didnt waste their money21:29
acydlorddon't think it's compat with their kernel _Shurik_21:29
_Shurik_got ya21:29
acydlordall my friends are working retail jobs with their big fancy degrees lol21:30
acydlordyeah, i know a genetecist and a marine biologist that both work for holister21:30
_Shurik_perhaps they're just taking an intellectual break from all that... partying? :)21:30
acydlordand another with a doctorate in econimics who works as a ranch hand21:31
acydlordlol, understandable if that were the case, but they were all pretty much your typical nerd, living for school21:31
_Shurik_well that's just proves my theory again... 4 classes of education is more then enough21:31
acydlordone time i was amazed when i used the word reneged in my blog and people were like "whats that mean? i think it's a misspelling"21:32
jani_Shurik_: ive read few blogs saying that have it up and running21:33
_Shurik_jani: oh good21:33
janiallthou as im installing it currently, its not very straight forward..21:33
_Shurik_I just have wifi working finaly on FC7 and would just hate to reinstall anything21:34
_Shurik_and I'm not all that experienced in linux world21:34
acydlordyou have the joys of one of the ndiswrapper cards?21:34
_Shurik_it's on laptop21:34
acydlordi thought atheros chipsets were supported in all the newer kernels21:35
janii was about to say that stock kernel doesnt come with vdso kernel support but i just remember that i dont hack stock kernel ..21:35
janiin fedora that is..21:35
acydlordi was almost upset that a shoddy broadcom driver was included in the 2.6 kernel21:36
jani_Shurik_: i can report back if i get things running.21:36
janibtw, is there any nokia people on this channel usually ?21:36
||cwacydlord: the driver seems to works well enough, but you have to install a firmware package21:37
acydlordnot sure21:37
acydlordyeah i installed the firmware package when my laptop was still among the living21:37
acydlordbut i still preferred ndiswrapper21:37
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acydlordi wish i still had my 500mW ornrico card21:38
_Shurik_anyone does python for n800 or you prefer C?21:39
acydlordthe libraries in the etch repos are old21:39
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* pupnik waits for a python app he cares for21:42
_Shurik_I just thought it might be faster to put something together that way21:43
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jani_Shurik_: ok, so far, scratchbox installation script works well, after it has installed, echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled, and then the maemo-sdk install script seems to work too ..21:48
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_Shurik_nice nice21:48
_Shurik_I enjoy a real time reporting :))21:49
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janiyeah duud! its no unpacking the rootstrap! i cant wait for it to finnish! =))21:49
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* pupnik ponders vdso_enabled21:49
janino/now =)21:49
_Shurik_that makes sense now21:49
janipupnik: if its enabled, you get error message saying following: "Inconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion" .. and so forth21:50
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pupnikty ty21:51
janisame thing reported there. allthou the solution in fedora is slightly different, or maybe its because different kernel version but the proc fs had different layout anyway..21:51
pupnikmight actually be able to use scratchbox with a stock sidux kernel now - with that proc echo21:52
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jani[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >21:52
janilogged into scratchbox21:52
_Shurik_gotta love it21:52
janibtw, i forgot one command you need to give ofcourse before you install the sdk itself21:53
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janisbox_ctl start ;)21:53
janibut it will complain about it if its not running21:53
_Shurik_so far so good?21:53
janiwell, i got to prompt atleast, i dont have xephyr installed yet so cant test the gui part but so far so good21:54
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pupnikComputer terms are ironic... DDR Ram and SED Displays21:59
pupnikSED was the communist party name of East Germany (DDR)21:59
_Shurik_so much for N800 'Gagarin' then21:59
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acydlordsata 3?22:04
acydlordack, wrong window22:04
jani_Shurik_: yellownotes-applet-0.1 atleast that project compiles well ..22:05
_Shurik_I'll take a stab at that tomorrow, since it's my work from home day22:06
keesjif I want an icon for my .desktop do I need to create all the differetn icon sizes?22:07
_Shurik_just gotta figure out how not to drown laptop in the pool22:07
pupniksomebody port drpocketsnes plz22:07
pupniksnes9x too slow22:08
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keesj(mental note) don't type kill -9 -1 , not even in sbox22:13
pupnik? literally that?22:13
pupnikdoesn't it return no PID -1?22:14
keesjdon't try it22:14
keesjperhaps it does , but if it does you will not see it.22:15
pupnikkill -9 -1 This sends signal 9, the SIGKILL signal, to all processes owned by the effective user.22:15
keesjKill all processes you can kill. that is what the man pages has to say about -9 -122:15
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livingtm_IM having trouble with the bora sdk install script. It quits saying that the Scratchbox devkit debian is not found. If i apt-get install scratchbox-devkit-debian it says the latest is already installed22:53
pupnikversion mismatch?22:54
jani_Shurik_: i was afk for a while but got back now .. i got maemo desktop running in scratchbox just fine ..22:54
_Shurik_and all of that on a standard fc6?22:57
_Shurik_or you tweaked it?22:57
janinothing major ..22:59
livingtm_pupnik, i installed scratchbox just now using the script maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh22:59
janionly difference is that i dont use yum, i have apt-get  ..22:59
livingtm_i would hope there isnt  a version mismatch22:59
janilivingtm_: it could be the same problem as i had ..23:00
livingtm_jani, which was?23:00
jani echo 0 >23:01
janithat was causing some problems for me for version check ..23:01
livingtm_i dont follow23:02
janior if that file is not found it's prolly /proc/sys/kernel/vdso23:02
janitry "echo 0 >  echo 0 >23:02
janidamn this copypaste23:02
janitry running " echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled"23:02
janiand then try to install the maemo-sdk with the script ..23:02
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livingtm_as root?23:03
janiyes. As a root .. Or "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso"23:03
livingtm_i get permision denied23:03
janias a root ? =)23:03
livingtm_well, sudo in ubuntu23:03
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janitry this as root: find /proc -name "*vdso*" -print23:04
janiit should print out a filename ..23:05
livingtm_okay didnt work23:05
livingtm_i did the echo successfuly23:05
livingtm_but then i still get that debian devkit error23:05
livingtm_E: Scratchbox devkit debian not found.23:05
livingtm_E: Please complete scratchbox installation first.23:05
livingtm_E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.23:05
janihow are you trying to run maemo-sdk script?23:05
livingtm_bash maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh23:06
livingtm_like the tutorial says23:06
janiwell, you could try to to give the -s parameter too 0)23:06
livingtm_i mean the install instructions
janiyes i know those =)23:06
janidid you install scratchbox first ?23:06
livingtm_-s .scratchbox?23:06
livingtm_er /scratchbox?23:07
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janiyep. was it successfull ? =))23:07
livingtm_nope same error23:07
livingtm_bash -s /scratchbox/23:07
janii think the tutorial might be missing the reboot or start sbox part =)23:08
livingtm_i did start scratchbox23:08
livingtm_maybe i will reboot23:08
livingtm_brb :-)23:08
livingtm_i love rebooting linux..23:08
janidid you add yourself into sbox group ?23:08
livingtm_oh, the installer did but i didnt log out and back in...23:08
livingtm_brb :-)23:08
janiyes, thats required23:08
livingtm_(better than a reboot)23:08
janigroup changes arent applied till you relog23:09
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janiany luck ?23:11
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livingtmim definitely in the group sbox23:16
livingtmI thoguth scripts were suppose dto make it easier? :-)23:16
janidoes your machine have /scratchbox/devkits/debian directory  ?23:19
janithat error message you are getting is coming from the shell script part which checks if directory $scratchbox/devkits/$devkit   exists or not ..  $devkit == debian and $scratchbox is the directory where you should have installed the scratchbox .. which is /scratchbox by default if you didnt give -s switch to the first shellscript you ran ..23:21
livingtmthere are three directories23:23
livingtmdebian etch23:24
livingtmdebian lenny23:24
livingtmdebian sarge23:24
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janidoesnt sound right ..23:32
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janibut i dont know much so about the install procedure =)23:33
janii have cputransp  debian  debian-sarge  doctools  perl in $scratchbox/devkits/ folder ..23:33
livingtmlivingtm@acer:/scratchbox/devkits$ ls23:34
livingtmcputransp  debian-etch  debian-lenny  debian-sarge  doctools  perl23:34
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kakosQuick question... what does the LED light under the D-pad do exactly?23:41
kakosOn the N80023:42
_Shurik_battery test?23:42
kakosDoes it have any particular use?23:42
kakosDoes it stay lit up if I have new mail?23:42
derfIt drains your battery very nicely.23:43
Sho_Any easy way to actuate it from the shell, btw?23:44
trevarthanIs there a way to increase the text size without having to scroll in maemo's browser?23:51
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trevarthanFor example, in firefox you can do CTRL+SHIFT++ to increase the text size. The line wrap stays the same. Just the font size increases....23:52
_Shurik_select optimized view23:52
_Shurik_that will prevent side scroll23:52
trevarthansweet. I was wondering what that did. Thanks!23:53
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livingtmjani, I have a debian-sarge folder23:59

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