IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-06-21

thoughtfix	Plus I have been collecting a MASSIVE series of Q/A's for the planned FAQ	00:01
dev	trevarthan: http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/history.html, according to this there once was an app - a2play - that got the audio from stdin and send it to the headset	00:02
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trevarthan	dev: yeah, but why would I bother? mplayer is available for maemo, along with alsa. Why would I go through the hassle of trying to use gst? If the nokia devs want to go that route then that's fine with me, but I don't have that kind of time. It wouldn't offer any advantages anyway. I can't modify the gst pipelines of already compiled software...	00:06
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konttori	thoughtfix: no worries ;)	00:11
konttori	Hey. Cool. Now the downloading works perfectly.	00:12
konttori	Just a small tuneup and I can package a sneak peak version.	00:12
konttori	It	00:12
thoughtfix	Any woman who will lend me her green laser pointer to play with AND can beat me at scrabble gets dibs over blogging.	00:12
konttori	It's holiday time here in Finland (midsummers fest) and I won't be around much until monday.	00:12
thoughtfix	Hmm ... maybe I'll get a passport and visit Finland. Wonder if I can have lunch with some of the maemo team :D	00:13
konttori	I'm 100% certain.	00:13
thoughtfix	:D	00:14
konttori	Nokia guys go out with the community once in while. It's not too hard to convince them. It's payable time for them to interact with the community	00:14
trevarthan	konttori: are you packaging up pymp? Or some other mplayer front end?	00:14
konttori	Nope, I'm packaging uktube now	00:14
thoughtfix	Well step 1 is to get the passport and step 2 is to arrange the trip. Those could take time	00:15
konttori	uktube will let you play youtube using mplayer.	00:15
konttori	frontend will suck, but it'll get the job done	00:15
trevarthan	basically a youtube -> divx converter?	00:16
trevarthan	alright, well, I'm out of here. Later folks.	00:18
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konttori	Nope, it's just youtube to flash video converter	00:19
konttori	It takes the crap out of everything. You just paste the youtube page url to it.	00:19
konttori	And once video is downloaded, it'll just play	00:19
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Milhouse2	any nokia bugzilla support available?	00:24
Milhouse2	trying to submit a comment on an existing bug and getting a database error	00:25
thoughtfix	You need support ON Bugzilla?	00:25
thoughtfix	Hi Millhouse :)	00:25
Milhouse2	hi daniel :)	00:25
thoughtfix	What's the URL?	00:26
Milhouse2	yes, was hoping someone might be lurking here as it's crapping out	00:26
Milhouse2	suppose the mailing list is my only option... no point filing a new bug :)	00:26
thoughtfix	It's half past midnight in Helsinki, so I doubt it.	00:26
Milhouse2	what? we don't have global support??!	00:26
konttori	howcan I force gtk window to update?	00:27
thoughtfix	Hmm ... I am able to browse bugzilla without a problem	00:28
Milhouse2	yeah, i'm trying to submit a new comment	00:28
konttori	What is the equivalent of drawscreen in gtk?	00:28
Milhouse2	this a screenshot of the error: http://www.nmacleod.com/images/bugzilla_db_error.jpg	00:29
thoughtfix	Aaah I just hit a database error too	00:29
thoughtfix	Yep ... looks similar	00:29
Milhouse2	I'll file a report on maemo developers	00:29
thoughtfix	Dude that looks like an XP screen! Get up with the times!	00:30
thoughtfix	;)	00:30
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konttori	Ok, until I get that info, I can't update the download progress	00:31
konttori	I'll now package.	00:31
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Milhouse2	XP - it works surprisingly well for me :) I'll wait until SP2 of Vista before giving that a spin, and I'm more of a Linux Server fan than desktop (although if I could get Beryl to work properly I could be sold...)	00:32
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thoughtfix	Beryl is gorgeous but unfinished. Vista is gorgeous but unfinished. My primary computer is a Core2 Duo iMac :o	00:32
Milhouse2	One day I'll build a modern PC as a Linux test machine... I only have Linux Server running on some old dual Pentium 3 Supermicro server board I picked up off ebay	00:32
thoughtfix	I just cheat and use Parallels when I need a Linux workstation. I have a dedicated Linux server (from which I am IRCing if you see my /whois)	00:33
Milhouse2	I keep talking myself out of buying a Mac :)	00:35
Milhouse2	I just don't need one... I'd like one but probably wouldn't use it!	00:35
thoughtfix	I wish I did. I got it in Feb. after I was disappointed with Vista since they were promising a Spring Leopard release	00:35
thoughtfix	Then once Apple realized everyone was disappointed with Vista, they said "Hey! It's safe now! We'll push back Leopard!"	00:36
thoughtfix	Now six months later with new drivers, device, and tweak support, I kinda like Vista.	00:36
* sxpert prefers his penguins for some reason		00:37
thoughtfix	gah... I can't say your name in my head without hearing "sex spurt" - but yeah - Linux is better as a server and embedded OS	00:37
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Milhouse2	Before I replace my existing "main" PC (I also have a Win2K3 server and a Linux server) I'll build a new PC and dual boot Linux+Beryl and Vista	00:39
thoughtfix	Good thing they added the dash to that URL	00:39
Milhouse2	Undecided which distro to go with, but if Ubuntu 7.10 comes bundled with Beryl I'll definately give that a spin	00:39
Milhouse2	I've normally stuck with Suse for the server	00:39
thoughtfix	I hate dual-booting. I'd rather have one OS per machine and have the machine built to handle that OS	00:39
Milhouse2	maybe i'll take a look at virtualisation	00:40
thoughtfix	Though slower and less flexible, I prefer virtualization over dual booting any day.	00:40
gla55	yeah it's much nicer..	00:40
gla55	booting sucks	00:40
Milhouse2	i think all the current cpus support virtualisation nopw	00:40
Milhouse2	s/nopw/now	00:40
Milhouse2	hmmm... irc bot sleeping?	00:41
Milhouse2	s/nopw/now/	00:41
Milhouse2	bah	00:41
thoughtfix	Except for the lack of some advanced video functions, I've never been dissatisfied with XP MCE running in a Parallels VM	00:41
thoughtfix	I give the VM 512M RAM leaving the other 1.5G for MacOS	00:41
Milhouse2	oh thats the other thing i want but don't need - Vista MCE thingy (still found nothing better than my TiVo Series 1!)	00:42
thoughtfix	I miss my PC games sometimes, but having a Wii compensates. Also, I rebuilt my Media Center box to be a Core2 Duo 1.8 with 2GB RAM and Vista Home Premium :D	00:42
Milhouse2	Is Parallels free with OS X?	00:42
Milhouse2	or is it a seperate product?	00:42
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thoughtfix	Noooo	00:42
thoughtfix	It's a different company	00:42
thoughtfix	but they just released 3.0	00:42
thoughtfix	and I upgraded	00:42
thoughtfix	The cool part about 3.0 is that it cross-mounts drives when booted.	00:43
thoughtfix	So your Windows drive appears on your Mac and vice versa as network drives	00:43
thoughtfix	And it supports Boot Camp partitions	00:43
Milhouse2	oh i see - $80 for Parallels Desktop 3.0	00:43
thoughtfix	So you can boot up your Boot Camp OS from inside Parallels	00:43
Milhouse2	How is this different to VMWare?	00:44
thoughtfix	I don't know how it switches the drivers from native to virtualized	00:44
thoughtfix	but it does	00:44
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gla55	is there vmware for osx? (not virtualpc..)	00:45
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thoughtfix	I don't know	00:45
Milhouse2	gla55 - don't know, would have thought there might be	00:45
Milhouse2	yes, there is	00:46
Milhouse2	"Run Windows XP & Vista on Your Mac with Ease	00:46
Milhouse2	Now in beta, VMware Fusion enables you to run Windows XP and Vista on your Intel-based Mac without rebooting. Increase productivity, reduce hardware costs and bridge the gap between Windows and Mac OS X by taking advantage of VMware Fusion’s:	00:46
Milhouse2	http://www.vmware.com/products/enterprise_desktop.html	00:47
Milhouse2	then select "Mac Users"	00:47
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Milhouse2	still beta so no price	00:47
Milhouse2	so thats two better options than dual booting if you have an x86 PC :)	00:48
gla55	i hate dual booting for the reason that i hate booting at all	00:48
gla55	..and i use windows mostly	00:49
gla55	i hate to bring up all the apps after boot	00:49
gpd	anyone have any luck with gmediaserver and canola: or shoudl I try mediatomb / fuppes / twonky / other?	00:49
gla55	and cmdline windows i use for building and shti	00:49
k-s[WORK]	gpd: fuppes	00:49
k-s[WORK]	gpd: it's the best so far	00:49
k-s[WORK]	(I'm the canola developer that worked with upnp)	00:50
gpd	k-s[WORK]: does it store the media and not have to rescan after boot: gmediaserver is not good at that	00:50
k-s[WORK]	twonky is good too, but it's not free... never tested mediatomb	00:50
gpd	ok fuppes it is then... thanks	00:50
k-s[WORK]	gpd: I don't remember	00:50
k-s[WORK]	gpd: fuppes and mediatomb seems to work with PS3 too :-)	00:50
gpd	it would be nice if MythTV worked with music but it seems to be broken in 0.20	00:51
gpd	I don't suppose there are any plans to support mythtv video in canola... leave that to gmyth?	00:51
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k-s[WORK]	gpd: yes, there are plans	00:52
k-s[WORK]	gpd: gmyth guys are from the same office	00:53
gpd	sweet :D	00:53
k-s[WORK]	gpd: but we're working on some reorganization here	00:53
k-s[WORK]	you'll probably see a 2.0 before 1.0 turns final :-P	00:53
k-s[WORK]	scriptable with python	00:53
k-s[WORK]	better and enhanced UI	00:53
gpd	sounds super cool	00:54
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k-s[WORK]	gpd: I'm working on UI infra, possible it will help others, like konttori	00:55
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konttori	interesting. what kind of nfra?	00:56
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k-s[WORK]	konttori: remember that Evas/Edje I've told you?	00:56
k-s[WORK]	konttori: I've some good improvements with my Evas software_16 engine over plain 32bpp	00:57
k-s[WORK]	konttori: SDL/PyGame already does 16bpp... but due some optimizations I can do even better	00:57
k-s[WORK]	:-)	00:57
konttori	ahh... very nice	00:57
k-s[WORK]	konttori: have you played with Evas/Edje?	00:57
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konttori	umm.. nope.	00:58
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k-s[WORK]	konttori: please take a look when you have time	00:58
k-s[WORK]	konttori: you could try to rewrite UKMP UI using it, at least the basics are really easy	00:59
k-s[WORK]	konttori: but python bindings just cover 32bpp engine, so it will be slower than what you'll get with my version	00:59
konttori	sounds nice.	01:00
konttori	otoh. i feel python is fast enough for my needs	01:00
thoughtfix	konttori: How did you make that video for Theme Maker?	01:00
k-s[WORK]	konttori: but you can try it on PC and ASAP I create the python bindings for 16bpp and you get my word it will be fast enough	01:00
konttori	I just made a slideshow with the apples keynote	01:00
thoughtfix	Oh neat	01:00
konttori	And exported it as movie	01:00
konttori	I'm running out of time to try it at the moment.	01:01
konttori	I can try some time next week though.	01:01
k-s[WORK]	konttori: no problem	01:01
k-s[WORK]	konttori: I'm finishing image scale code, then I have almost everything I need	01:02
k-s[WORK]	konttori: polygons and gradient will be left for later time, but I don't think you use those yourself	01:02
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konttori	probably wouldn't no.	01:02
* gpd notes spectacular lack of documentation for fuppes		01:02
konttori	how do I make a dpkg without the debian folder?	01:03
k-s[WORK]	konttori: ok, so except by reflections, you can do all those things using Edje theme system! it's really cool and impressive	01:03
k-s[WORK]	konttori: you can create control.tar.gz, release and data.tar.gz files	01:04
konttori	Nice! Fast as well?	01:04
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k-s[WORK]	them "ar" them... just check Maemo.org wiki	01:04
konttori	I'm using dpkg -b.	01:04
k-s[WORK]	konttori: yes! Really fast with my backend	01:04
konttori	I don't have ar on my mac	01:04
konttori	I only have dpkg	01:04
k-s[WORK]	konttori: just check http://www.enlightenment.org/ I can help you to setup stuff	01:04
k-s[WORK]	konttori: python bindings are in CVS, under e17/proto/python-efl/	01:05
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Markov__	E works on the n800?	01:05
k-s[WORK]	Markov__: yes!	01:05
Markov__	woah!	01:05
k-s[WORK]	Markov__: http://www.rasterman.com/	01:05
k-s[WORK]	;-)	01:05
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k-s[WORK]	Markov__: I'm working with raster to finish the 16bpp engine ASAP	01:06
gla55	nice, nice	01:06
Markov__	omg	01:06
k-s[WORK]	omg?	01:06
Markov__	that's awesome	01:07
Markov__	i was using it on a gentoo box at home	01:07
Markov__	never guess it would work with maemo	01:07
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Markov__	a happy coincidence	01:07
k-s[WORK]	:-)	01:08
k-s[WORK]	gotta go	01:09
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adoyle	Anyone know if there's a problem with the wiki or is it me?	03:35
adoyle	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage does not work	03:35
adoyle	Nor http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html	03:36
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inz	Damn touchpad... I just accidentally deleted one maemo-developers email from gmail spam folder :/	09:06
inz	/me wants a touch screen on laptop too ;)	09:06
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fish_	re	09:28
konttori	Morning!	09:28
konttori	I need some help with python & gtk	09:28
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konttori	How can I make gtk refresh the screen?	09:29
konttori	I tried adding short sleep to the app, but that didn't help	09:30
inz	gtk refreshes the screen during main loop	09:34
inz	In C you can handle any pending events with: while (gtk_events_pending()) gtk_main_iteration();	09:35
inz	I'm guessing you can do that in python too	09:35
inz	just replace the first underscore with period	09:38
unique311	konttori, mapping the skin was easy actually...	09:38
melmoth	konttori, if you are doing something that is I/O intensive (such as downloading a file...), you have to do it in a separate thread	09:38
melmoth	otherwise, your app will feel frozen	09:39
konttori	Really?	09:39
melmoth	really	09:39
unique311	did 2 skins..the palmV and the m180	09:39
konttori	Damn.	09:39
melmoth	well, that s in pure gtk..May be a dbus call to a download script ?	09:39
inz	melmoth, not necessarily, asynchronous I/O can be done too	09:39
unique311	uploading a video now...i have screenshots..will upload those to flicker	09:39
melmoth	mhh, oh yes, with gnome-vfs there are some async file transfert commande possible	09:39
inz	I think gnome-vfs uses threads, but anyway ;)	09:40
konttori	melmoth: thanks for the info. I just hoped there was an easier way.	09:41
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konttori	damn, that stings.	09:41
inz	Asynchronous stuff tends to take a bit more effort, but then again threads can (will) bite you too ;)	09:41
unique311	http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/	09:45
unique311	here's screenshots...	09:45
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unique311	on youtube...a quck search for N800 running palm OS 4.1 wiil bring up the video..	09:49
konttori	unique311: really nice	09:49
konttori	congrats!	09:49
unique311	thanks...pupnik should be here for this.	09:49
unique311	his project....	09:49
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unique311	not sure if i should package it up...	09:50
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rwhitby	unique311: please do package it up	09:58
unique311	i'll try to get it done by morning....	10:00
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zuh	unique311: didn't find the video, you don't happen to have the url for it?	10:08
unique311	hold on	10:10
unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPF19gypbGo	10:12
zuh	thanks	10:14
unique311	np	10:15
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rwhitby	unique311: are you packaging the whole pose, or just your skins? If the latter, do you have a url for the rest of the pose application?	11:01
Jaffa	Morning, all	11:02
gpd	FYI: mediatomb works well with canola as UPnP server	11:08
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sbaturzioAtWork	Aloha!	11:11
* konttori got the downloader working properly now. Will publish it in a few minutes.		11:15
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konttori	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1647/UKMP-1.3-uktube.deb	11:20
konttori	There!	11:20
konttori	Now, bear in mind that it's mostly a proof of concept, but it should serve as a nice tool as well.	11:21
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rwhitby	konttori: I just happen to have rwhitby-n800 running x-chat, so I can download that directly from the x-chat session there :-)	11:33
konttori	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1647/UKMP-1.3-uktube.deb	11:34
konttori	http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1647/UKMP-1.3-uktube.deb	11:34
konttori	It's there - ready for consumption.	11:34
konttori	Bundled with ukmp 1.3 as I didn't have the time to make a separate package.	11:34
* rwhitby runs uktube		11:35
rwhitby	got a handle url you know works?	11:35
* rwhitby has only really used youtube to watch some google edu videos		11:35
rwhitby	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8	11:38
* gpd runs UKMP for first time		11:40
rwhitby	konttori: does it save the video somewhere, so you have play it again while you're offline?	11:41
konttori	mmc1	11:41
konttori	root	11:41
* rwhitby watches it download 160MB ...		11:41
konttori	All youtube urls should work	11:42
rwhitby	I'm testing that one above right now	11:42
gpd	looks genious: only problem is taht google maps cache takes up all the space on my 2G car	11:42
konttori	gpd. maybe you need to have 2 cards. And swap every once in a while.	11:43
gpd	right now I am ignoring the problem by not leaving the house and using UPnP :D	11:43
konttori	If you want a little smaller clip. try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY	11:43
konttori	that's 6 mb	11:44
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gpd	anyone know a fancy system to sync random songs or playlists to an sd card or other location?	11:46
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rwhitby	konttori: can you do the same magic for google videos?	11:49
konttori	I don't know. probably.	11:49
gpd	konttori: do I need to restart to rescan media cards?	11:49
konttori	nope?	11:50
gpd	konttori: also, is there a way to exclude dirs from the scan?	11:50
konttori	It will exclude dir titled: Maps	11:50
konttori	So, put everything you don't want scanned in there.	11:50
gpd	hmm.. all my maps are in Cache :(	11:50
konttori	Anyway, it'll make a db of your files, so after first start it'll be quite fast.	11:50
rwhitby	konttori: how do I replay something that has been downloaded earlier?	11:51
gpd	Genius use of the + and - buttons for volume btw!	11:51
konttori	otoh: if you have maemo mapper maps, put them to a folder called: Maps	11:51
konttori	rwithby: open mplayer	11:51
konttori	they'll be in the list	11:51
konttori	gpd: thanks!	11:51
gpd	ok copied a folder of music: found and running -- loving it :D	11:52
rwhitby	konttori: ah, I guess I need to install mplayer separately :-)	11:52
rwhitby	anyone got a handle url for mplayer download?	11:53
gpd	konttori: I would expect the pause to switch to play image as a former mac user	11:54
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gpd	hmm. maybe just a little buggy as it does it sometimes but not others	11:55
konttori	gpd: it is sometimes a bit buggy.	11:55
gpd	konttori: so how do i initiate a rescan?	11:56
konttori	Open it again	11:56
konttori	rwithby: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/uktube-smooth-playback-of-youtube-files.html	11:56
gpd	ok - so restart the app, no problem	11:56
konttori	There is instructions on uktube install.	11:56
konttori	it includes mplayer install link	11:56
gpd	I'd say the exit button isn't obvious if I were to comment on such a minor thing	11:57
konttori	Made it while we were discussing, so sorry for idling	11:57
AD-N770	good morning	11:57
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gpd	konttori: fantastic work all round: some other comments if you care...	11:58
konttori	sure!	11:59
gpd	as I often listen to very long tracks (2hrs) it would be nice to have the option of a progress slider: but i realize this is painful / no light	11:59
konttori	yeah. been thinking about it to be included at some point	12:00
konttori	did you notice that there is a seek functionality (keep dpad pressed right /left)	12:00
gpd	just noticed the D-pad in general : very good addition	12:01
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gpd	konttori: I am having difficulty faulting it! great app - your work is very much appreciated. If you have plans for UPnP support then you will be my hero forever!	12:04
konttori	I am collaborating with coherence guys on making that happen	12:04
konttori	I hope it does.	12:04
konttori	It's just that this is all for free and I have only so much time in a day to do pro bono work.	12:04
konttori	perhaps nokia could subsidise me ;)	12:05
gpd	of course! and canola fills that gap so not really necessary: don't want the kitchen sink	12:05
gpd	I need to think about an app that will allow me to sync a folder of music to the N800 with a daily selection of tunes	12:05
konttori	use itunes. works wonderfully for me	12:06
gpd	itunes smart playlists? syncing to where?	12:07
gwak	http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/06/middle-management-sandwich.html	12:07
konttori	I'm using party list set to large enough size, then press the recreate party list and I then copy those songs to the device	12:08
gpd	nice idea: will try it	12:08
rwhitby	konttori: nice work on uktube. works for me perfectly.	12:10
konttori	rwithby. great to hear that!	12:10
rwhitby	I'll be able to watch the linus git video on the bus home thanks to you :-)	12:10
konttori	Great! And thanks to you I'm listening to it right now.	12:11
`0660	that was an entertaining video :)	12:12
konttori	Anyway, a really good youtube player could be derived from that uktube proof of concept app	12:12
konttori	But, I hope that app will suffice for a while.	12:13
rwhitby	konttori: any idea if there would be a way for the click and hold in the browser to give an option to pass the url to uktube?	12:15
konttori	someone could make a opera plugin	12:16
`0660	is it possible to make plugins in opera?	12:16
`0660	probably not :/	12:18
konttori	it is possible	12:20
konttori	flash is a plugin in there	12:20
konttori	and so is the nokias real media tool	12:20
konttori	I'm making a video example in a sec.	12:21
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c0ffee	leo beduerfnisse	12:27
c0ffee	hups	12:27
c0ffee	ignore that	12:27
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Anidel	good morning guys	12:40
gwak	does anybody know what nokia does with the Semantic Web site?	12:58
gwak	http://sw.nokia.com/	12:58
konttori	I just uploaded demonstration video of UKTUBE to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy-SGsItwPA	13:05
konttori	<spam>Everyone! Download!!!!! </spam>	13:05
gwak	do not taunt the show video button ;-]	13:07
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gwak	here is a spoof of the ms surface thing	13:09
gwak	Event:http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/microsoft-surface-the-parody-270782.php	13:09
konttori	I was just watching that in the demo video. It's a good one.	13:09
konttori	hmm.. odd.. It's not on planet maemo rss feed	13:14
osfameron	heh	13:14
konttori	the blog I mean	13:14
osfameron	though acutally, I think the table idea isn't taht bad	13:14
konttori	nope. good things about the idea.	13:14
konttori	it's just not revolutionary, and not worth 10k	13:15
gwak	i agree, i think it would be great to to have at pub	13:15
konttori	ok, it may ed up being revolutionary. bt not worth 10k.	13:15
X-Fade	konttori: The cool thing is, that it isn't a touchscreen..	13:16
gwak	i like the idea of setting you mobile phone on the display	13:16
konttori	yeah. we have a media wall here in helsinki that works in the same way.	13:16
konttori	http://citywall.org/pages/about	13:17
X-Fade	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXBbi0gWuCg Touchlight is also nice..	13:17
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konttori	For those of you using uktube, here is youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNq3cYGTPE	13:17
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konttori	Now, isn't it wonderfull that finally those with 3g connections and 800 can actually see those youtube links that are so persistent these days?	13:18
konttori	anyway, the wall in helsinki is using projector and is much larger than the example video in that youtube clip	13:18
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konttori	X-Fade: looks nice!	13:23
konttori	ahh.. rss feed has been updated. uktube link is now there.	13:29
konttori	rwithby: If a plugin to opera was possible, it would be great to just modify all youtube areas on pages to buttons that say play in fullscreen.	13:41
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konttori	Good article on dvelopment practices: http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2007/asshole-driven-development/	13:47
konttori	I like the: Development By Denial (DBD)	13:48
konttori	must be part of quite a few projects out there	13:48
konttori	Oh! I just realized I'v been in a company that practiced: Not allowed to do development (NADD)	13:49
konttori	Back in the days they outsourced the developemnt to some big cosulting agencies, who didn't either have any developers around	13:49
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perror	hi all... I'm getting some problems connecting to a WPA/EAP/TLS network. When I need to select certificate to use, I get only the "None" option although I have registered the certificate in the certificate manager (for "Authorities"). Any hints, ideas are welcome. ^_^	14:00
konttori	sounds odd that you registered it as authorities	14:01
konttori	authorities means that they are allowed to create certificates	14:01
konttori	I think you should install the certificate to another location	14:01
perror	Hmmm. And install it as "user"...	14:01
konttori	maybe	14:02
perror	I give this a try. Thanks ! ;)	14:02
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pupnik	hi unique311	14:05
pupnik	acydlord: AD-N770 derf gla55 JussiP keesj koen konttori kulve MDK_ mgedmin sbaturzioAtWork sxpert timeless tigert tko	14:07
pupnik	:P	14:07
konttori	?	14:07
pupnik	just saying hi	14:07
konttori	pupnik: try the uktube. It rocks!	14:07
pupnik	even on a 770?	14:08
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konttori	YEah	14:08
unique311	yo	14:08
konttori	http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/uktube-smooth-playback-of-youtube-files.html	14:08
unique311	stranger	14:08
pupnik	sweeet	14:08
unique311	i solved the issue with pose	14:08
unique311	well not completetly	14:08
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pupnik	what issue	14:09
unique311	i was definitely not looking forward to packaging it up...want to package it up pupnik...	14:09
unique311	http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/	14:10
unique311	instead of going fullscreen...	14:10
pupnik	hey double size	14:10
unique311	modified the skin file to move the touchscreen and buttons to setup with a customized skin file..	14:11
unique311	yes	14:11
pupnik	nice	14:11
unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPF19gypbGo	14:11
unique311	have 2 custome skins so far the m505 and the m130	14:12
pupnik	hows text entry on teh n800	14:13
unique311	descent... on on the notepad..	14:14
unique311	well actually good..	14:14
unique311	had to work on the graffiti area...	14:14
unique311	so abc and 123 could be chosen..	14:15
unique311	only discrep on the 2 skins i did..	14:15
florian	hi all	14:15
unique311	but all the buttons are mapped..	14:15
unique311	which is good..	14:15
unique311	pretty much did a 720x420 skin.	14:15
pupnik	http://youtube.com/watch?v=67fFDiPRsrk human trebuchet / new transportation	14:16
unique311	so will you make a deb file now?	14:17
pupnik	no	14:17
unique311	the project is yours on maemo.	14:17
unique311	aww man..	14:17
pupnik	i don't have the source	14:17
pupnik	i mean the skin	14:17
unique311	i have them...think i worked on them all day to just keep for self...	14:18
pupnik	hey i like the blue one too	14:18
pupnik	no sorry	14:19
pupnik	yeah it would be great to put it into a package for garage	14:20
pupnik	this is great news unique311	14:20
pupnik	good work	14:21
unique311	it just work...	14:21
unique311	i	14:22
unique311	i'll pack it up....	14:22
unique311	it'll be a good learning experience.	14:22
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unique311	was suppose to have it this morning...but fell asleep on a video i was watching last night..	14:22
pupnik	the black skin on flickr looks great	14:23
unique311	the m130	14:23
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unique311	OS4.1	14:23
pupnik	yeah	14:23
unique311	palmV uses OS4.0	14:23
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unique311	got a couple of apps installed and running..	14:23
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unique311	HostFS works...	14:23
unique311	looking for a way to make it pick up SD card...	14:24
pupnik	hmm	14:24
unique311	guessing the SD card needs to be formatted fo this...	14:24
gla55	hmm	14:24
unique311	i have extraz..a little reseatch on that will not take long.	14:25
gla55	shouldn't it just be fat?	14:25
gla55	if it accesses it directly	14:25
unique311	never own a palm..	14:25
unique311	well i did...long time ago..	14:25
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unique311	2002 version years of palm	14:25
unique311	when i click on card info...it displays no Card inserted..	14:27
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gla55	i had a tungsten a while back	14:28
gla55	the sd card read just fine in a card reader iirc as fat..	14:28
gla55	on that particular model scummvm didn't run though	14:28
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pupnik	have you tried unique311's new version gla55 ?	14:31
unique311	i didn't share the .skin and the jpegs file yet pupnik.	14:32
unique311	i wanted to at least package pose up before doing so.	14:33
gla55	pupnik: no	14:33
unique311	if i fail at doing so, then i will just tar everything up and upload it and share it..	14:34
inz	http://flickr.com/photos/9114076@N03/580364131/	14:37
inz	(the screenshot is taken and uploaded with MH Shot tool ;)	14:38
unique311	that i like	14:38
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konttori	inz: very nice!!	14:41
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tigert	inz: yay!	14:44
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inz	Gotta flash a fresh bora to se if it works on N800	14:46
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inz	Or if I have to recompile for it	14:46
inz	(already in mistral repository)	14:46
inz	The UI is shitty.. I wanted to make it a dialog, but it just doesn't work :(	14:47
inz	Or then I should've used the mobile profile, that might actually work better.	14:48
acydlord	i'm waiting for my torrents to finish so i can get the bora sdk again	14:48
acydlord	realized i never downloaded it when i did this recent debian install lol	14:49
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inz	feh, need to rebuild...	15:07
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inz	http://www.flickr.com/photos/9114076@N03/580478803/ now it runs on n800 too ;)	15:16
inz	http://maemo-hackers.org/mh-shot-tool.install	15:16
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henkt	I lost my /scratchbox/tools/bin/env file	16:18
henkt	any help?	16:18
pupnik	you have a backup?	16:19
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henkt	am not sure	16:28
henkt	am a bit new for this environement	16:28
pupnik	i don't have a scratchbox machine here, so i can't check	16:29
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ian_brasil	hi...anyone can give a very quick explanation for the difference between the 'home' 'task navigator' or 'statusbar' options when creating a hildon desktop plugin	16:34
pupnik	henkt, either setup another scratchbox target or reinstall one somewhere	16:35
inz	ian, 'home' goes to the "desktop", visible only when no other windows open	16:35
inz	ian, 'task navigator' goes to the bar on the left	16:35
inz	ian, and 'statusbar' goes to the bar on top	16:36
ian_brasil	excellent...thanks very much	16:36
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henkt	pupnik, I dont want to install maemo again	16:55
henkt	will Xephyr has to be re installed also? if I remove and install scratch box?	16:59
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pupnik	no	17:02
pupnik	if you do it in kvm / vmware it makes backups/snapshots easy, but beware, it can lead to large drive images	17:03
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henkt	so what I do now?	17:13
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aruiz	hi there	17:22
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aruiz	does anyone knows how to setup a WPA instead of WEP enabled key for the N800?	17:22
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gla55	only ever used wpa-psk	17:24
henkt	pupnik, r u there?	17:25
pupnik	jawohl	17:25
pupnik	i don't know whether that file is part of the scratchbox target	17:26
pupnik	or if you need to reinstall scratchbox	17:26
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henkt	I am going to install scratchbox-core	17:32
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henkt	pupnik, can u tell me the steps to install scratchbox-core-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz	17:37
pupnik	you can tar xzvf scratchbox-core*	17:37
pupnik	then find . -name env in that directory	17:38
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pupnik	or use konqueror or something to find your missing file	17:38
pupnik	i think :0	17:38
henkt	ok let me check	17:38
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henkt	hi, pupnik, it works now tanks a lot	17:50
pupnik	:)	17:59
henkt	I wanted to run helloworld written with python on maemo platform	18:03
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henkt	after I make the file "hello_world_1.py" executable	18:03
henkt	when I run run-standalone.sh ./hello_world_1.py	18:04
henkt	it says	18:04
henkt	/scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory	18:04
henkt	/scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory	18:04
henkt	/scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory	18:04
henkt	any idea?	18:05
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pupnik	does your hello_world_1.py have #! python2.5 in the first line?	18:07
henkt	it is #!/usr/bin/env python2.5	18:07
pupnik	do you have python 2.5 installed?	18:09
pupnik	i don't think it comes with scratchbox	18:09
henkt	I think so. how to check	18:09
pupnik	apt-cache policy python2.5	18:10
henkt	on scratch box or outside scratchbox ?	18:10
pupnik	python2.5: Installed: (none)	18:10
pupnik	inside sb	18:10
pupnik	i don't have it installed	18:10
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henkt	it said W: Unable to locate package python2.5	18:12
pupnik	i think some people have made packages for python2.5 but they are not in the standard repository	18:12
pupnik	google maemo and python2.5	18:12
pupnik	http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/pymaemo25_releasenotes.html	18:13
henkt	I downloaded two .install files Base repository Python 2.5 installer	18:15
henkt	what I do next	18:16
pupnik	ok you can dpkg -i *.deb	18:18
pupnik	whatever deb file you got	18:18
pupnik	you might have to add them in a certain order. usually libraries (lib*) first	18:18
pupnik	i have no experience with python though	18:18
pupnik	it will inform you of any missing dependencies	18:19
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henkt	dpkg: error processing kerez_0.0.2-1_armel.deb (--install):	18:25
henkt	package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386)	18:25
henkt	Errors were encountered while processing:	18:25
henkt	kerez_0.0.2-1_armel.deb	18:25
pupnik	ok that means you are in the i386 target	18:25
pupnik	scratchbox can run in several different 'targets'	18:25
henkt	but i did it out side sb	18:25
pupnik	oh	18:26
pupnik	well those .deb files must be installed on a 770/800 or within the scratchbox 'armel' target	18:26
pupnik	this is an environment that emulates the cpu of the nokia	18:26
henkt	ok	18:27
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henkt	am on [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] now	18:29
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pupnik	yeah you need to use sb-menu to switch to sb-arm or sb-armel	18:35
pupnik	if you have set it up	18:35
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henkt	when i enter sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL	18:38
henkt	it ask me to close x	18:39
pupnik	ah yes	18:39
henkt	x86	18:39
henkt	how to close it	18:39
pupnik	isn't sb-conf outdated? i forgot	18:39
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henkt	I thik sb-conf or sb-menu both work	18:40
pupnik	i think scratchbox wants you to close other login sessions	18:44
pupnik	you can have multiple logins to scratchbox targets	18:44
henkt	yes I couldnt	18:44
henkt	sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first	18:46
henkt	hm..	18:46
pupnik	yeah "exit" or Ctrl-d	18:46
henkt	then it will get out form scratchbox	18:51
henkt	when I log in to sb inistally, it gose to [sbox-SDK_x86:~]	18:53
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henkt	okey cio then will try to change my target and install python	18:56
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unique311	after changing my routers ip address....scratchbox apt-get update worn't work..	20:10
unique311	the net works fine..	20:10
unique311	but when i run apt-get update doesn't seem to want to work..	20:11
unique311	4% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org] [Connecting to catalogue.tableteer.noki[	20:11
unique311	thats all	20:11
unique311	i get	20:11
unique311	hmmm just tried wget and thats not working either	20:12
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unique311	Resolving ftp.debian.org... failed: Host not found.	20:13
unique311	help me howard	20:13
b0unc3	unique311: take a look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf	20:14
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unique311	thanks..	20:16
unique311	stuck on that default 1.1	20:16
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Andy80_	hello	20:21
Andy80_	an OT question :\ anyone of you has a copy of Nokia Software Update for N-Series older than 1.3.83 ?	20:22
gla55	o O	20:23
gla55	why?	20:23
Andy80_	because the latest version is bugged	20:25
Andy80_	and I cannot update my N73	20:25
Andy80_	it says "Phone not supported"	20:25
Andy80_	while the old version has alway worked fine	20:25
gla55	is there a newer firmware then for your product code?	20:27
gla55	it's possible to change the product code too with some trouble	20:27
Andy80_	I currently have 2.x firmware...	20:27
Andy80_	and I know that 3.0705.* is available	20:27
Andy80_	the product code... is not a problem ;) the problem is NSU :(	20:28
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Andy80_	I'm going to eat something, see ya later... ps: gla55: if you have an older version of NSU it would be great if you could send it to me :)	20:31
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gla55	don't seem to have download folders for that far	20:34
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pupnik	mmm the archos 605 looks nice -- 800x480 screen	20:56
pupnik	starts at $229	20:56
pupnik	wifi, opera...	20:56
gla55	yeah not half bad	20:57
jani	quite cheap..	20:58
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acydlord	yeah, i saw that bugger on engadget	20:58
acydlord	has anyone played with the maemo webkit?	20:58
jani	just read the project page, i think it said that its still in planning phase ?	20:59
acydlord	ahh	20:59
gla55	seems so	20:59
gla55	would be a nice project	20:59
gla55	i dunno why nokia hasn't pushed it	20:59
acydlord	i keep shotting myself in the foot on projects, 2 of the main projects i was working on got put on hold for awhile thanks to APIs being changed on me	21:00
gla55	they're very disconnected teams.. nokias web guys and maemo.. thats what the nokia web fellow said anyhow	21:00
acydlord	indeed	21:00
acydlord	i wish the people on the nokia end would push the industry a bit better	21:00
acydlord	they've got the financial backing	21:01
acydlord	i wascracking up the other day by the comment of one of the nokia heads about touch screen technology	21:01
acydlord	saying that they don't see people wanting it on mobile devices yet	21:01
gla55	such a question depends highly on the context..	21:02
jani	webkit or what?	21:02
gla55	if it was about mobile phones	21:02
acydlord	i believe it was something about the iphone challenging current smart phones	21:03
jani	aah.	21:03
acydlord	and if they felt challenged by the touch screen	21:03
gla55	acydlord: well, on certain features 7710 is much more capable than iphone.. :)	21:03
acydlord	indeed	21:03
gla55	rumor has it there's touchscreen s60's coming	21:03
acydlord	one of my friends was bragging on the iphone awhile back noting features	21:03
pupnik	some people will prefer tactile feedback	21:03
acydlord	and i was like "i have that, yep have that, that too"	21:03
pupnik	the iphone is 480x320 res?	21:04
gla55	yea i think	21:04
acydlord	think so	21:04
acydlord	i read a funny article yesterday on different form factor iphone options	21:04
acydlord	and they did a product mockup for iphone nano and iphone shuffle	21:05
acydlord	any idea on how hard it is to hildonize gtk apps?	21:07
jani	from what i've looked at the code ..	21:08
jani	most of the stuff is that there's there's few main hildon components like main window and such and then rest of the code is just gtk api's ...	21:09
acydlord	shouldnt be too hard then	21:09
jani	well, there are few dialogs that are hildon specific but alas, they are not that different from gtk ..	21:10
acydlord	i'm trying to decide wheteher to be lazy and port a current linux twitter app, or if it would be worth the time writing my own	21:12
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tko	acydlord: the minimum you need is to replace gtk_window_new with hildon_window_new -- sometimes that might be enough, though usually you'd be better off redesigning the UI	21:13
tko	acydlord: and I hope you meant jaiku not twitter :)	21:13
acydlord	i meant twitter	21:13
acydlord	but it would not be hard for it to work in both	21:13
pupnik	heh, still nothing out there to make me consider selling my 770	21:13
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jani	yeah, obviously the biggest issue is that your ui is much smaller and thus most apps dont fit to the screen ;)	21:13
acydlord	what i would really like to build is a jaiku/twitter/plazer	21:13
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acydlord	because plazes.com added a "what are you doing" textbox	21:14
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acydlord	the UI is not dramatically smaller than a windowed application though	21:17
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jani	btw, anyone here running scratchbox on fc6?	21:17
pupnik	nah. i'd recommend sidux but the kernels aren't scratchbox compatible	21:21
jani	well, i got ubunto at work so things work there, just thinking if i could tinker something on freetime and i wouldnt like the idea to reinstall my box..	21:23
jani	s/ubunto/ubuntu/	21:23
infobot	jani meant: well, i got ubuntu at work so things work there, just thinking if i could tinker something on freetime and i wouldnt like the idea to reinstall my box..	21:23
jani	lol	21:23
acydlord	i got sick of ubuntu	21:23
acydlord	i switched to fedora to find out scratchbox hates it	21:23
acydlord	so now i'm running debian etch	21:23
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_Shurik_	oh really? How about fc7?	21:24
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acydlord	thats what i was running	21:24
jani	well, its not my choice of a distro either but it was mandated.	21:24
acydlord	understandable jani	21:24
acydlord	seems to be the market's choice as of late	21:24
_Shurik_	haven't tried installing scratchbox yet on fc.. sux	21:24
acydlord	fedora isn't really a developers enviroment	21:25
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acydlord	the've been spending more time on eyecandy	21:25
jani	crickets thumbleweed	21:28
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acydlord	lol	21:29
_Shurik_	so no way to get it working in fc?	21:29
acydlord	Man i sure am glad to see all my friends who actually went to college didnt waste their money	21:29
acydlord	don't think it's compat with their kernel _Shurik_	21:29
_Shurik_	got ya	21:29
acydlord	all my friends are working retail jobs with their big fancy degrees lol	21:30
_Shurik_	nice	21:30
acydlord	yeah, i know a genetecist and a marine biologist that both work for holister	21:30
_Shurik_	perhaps they're just taking an intellectual break from all that... partying? :)	21:30
acydlord	and another with a doctorate in econimics who works as a ranch hand	21:31
acydlord	lol, understandable if that were the case, but they were all pretty much your typical nerd, living for school	21:31
_Shurik_	well that's just proves my theory again... 4 classes of education is more then enough	21:31
acydlord	one time i was amazed when i used the word reneged in my blog and people were like "whats that mean? i think it's a misspelling"	21:32
jani	_Shurik_: ive read few blogs saying that have it up and running	21:33
_Shurik_	jani: oh good	21:33
jani	allthou as im installing it currently, its not very straight forward..	21:33
_Shurik_	I just have wifi working finaly on FC7 and would just hate to reinstall anything	21:34
_Shurik_	and I'm not all that experienced in linux world	21:34
acydlord	you have the joys of one of the ndiswrapper cards?	21:34
_Shurik_	madwifi	21:34
acydlord	ahh	21:34
_Shurik_	atheros	21:34
_Shurik_	it's on laptop	21:34
acydlord	i thought atheros chipsets were supported in all the newer kernels	21:35
jani	i was about to say that stock kernel doesnt come with vdso kernel support but i just remember that i dont hack stock kernel ..	21:35
jani	in fedora that is..	21:35
acydlord	i was almost upset that a shoddy broadcom driver was included in the 2.6 kernel	21:36
jani	_Shurik_: i can report back if i get things running.	21:36
jani	btw, is there any nokia people on this channel usually ?	21:36
_Shurik_	denifinely	21:36
\|\|cw	acydlord: the driver seems to works well enough, but you have to install a firmware package	21:37
acydlord	not sure	21:37
acydlord	yeah i installed the firmware package when my laptop was still among the living	21:37
acydlord	but i still preferred ndiswrapper	21:37
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acydlord	i wish i still had my 500mW ornrico card	21:38
_Shurik_	anyone does python for n800 or you prefer C?	21:39
jani	c	21:39
jani	_Shurik_: http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/03/01/maemo-30-on-fedora-core-6-n800-development-environment	21:39
acydlord	the libraries in the etch repos are old	21:39
acydlord	ew	21:39
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_Shurik_	:)	21:43
_Shurik_	I just thought it might be faster to put something together that way	21:43
VimSi	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40	21:44
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jani	_Shurik_: ok, so far, scratchbox installation script works well, after it has installed, echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled, and then the maemo-sdk install script seems to work too ..	21:48
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_Shurik_	nice nice	21:48
_Shurik_	I enjoy a real time reporting :))	21:49
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jani	yeah duud! its no unpacking the rootstrap! i cant wait for it to finnish! =))	21:49
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jani	no/now =)	21:49
_Shurik_	that makes sense now	21:49
_Shurik_	:)	21:49
jani	pupnik: if its enabled, you get error message saying following: "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion" .. and so forth	21:50
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jani	pupnik: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008387.html	21:51
pupnik	ty ty	21:51
jani	same thing reported there. allthou the solution in fedora is slightly different, or maybe its because different kernel version but the proc fs had different layout anyway..	21:51
pupnik	might actually be able to use scratchbox with a stock sidux kernel now - with that proc echo	21:52
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jani	[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >	21:52
jani	yey!	21:52
_Shurik_	niceee	21:52
jani	logged into scratchbox	21:52
_Shurik_	gotta love it	21:52
jani	btw, i forgot one command you need to give ofcourse before you install the sdk itself	21:53
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jani	sbox_ctl start ;)	21:53
jani	but it will complain about it if its not running	21:53
_Shurik_	so far so good?	21:53
jani	well, i got to prompt atleast, i dont have xephyr installed yet so cant test the gui part but so far so good	21:54
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_Shurik_	awsome	21:56
trevarthan	test	21:56
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pupnik	Computer terms are ironic... DDR Ram and SED Displays	21:59
pupnik	SED was the communist party name of East Germany (DDR)	21:59
_Shurik_	:)	21:59
_Shurik_	so much for N800 'Gagarin' then	21:59
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acydlord	sata 3?	22:04
acydlord	ack, wrong window	22:04
jani	_Shurik_: yellownotes-applet-0.1 atleast that project compiles well ..	22:05
_Shurik_	sweet	22:06
_Shurik_	I'll take a stab at that tomorrow, since it's my work from home day	22:06
keesj	if I want an icon for my .desktop do I need to create all the differetn icon sizes?	22:07
_Shurik_	just gotta figure out how not to drown laptop in the pool	22:07
pupnik	somebody port drpocketsnes plz	22:07
pupnik	snes9x too slow	22:08
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keesj	(mental note) don't type kill -9 -1 , not even in sbox	22:13
pupnik	? literally that?	22:13
pupnik	doesn't it return no PID -1?	22:14
keesj	don't try it	22:14
keesj	perhaps it does , but if it does you will not see it.	22:15
pupnik	kill -9 -1 This sends signal 9, the SIGKILL signal, to all processes owned by the effective user.	22:15
keesj	Kill all processes you can kill. that is what the man pages has to say about -9 -1	22:15
pupnik	aha!	22:16
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livingtm_	IM having trouble with the bora sdk install script. It quits saying that the Scratchbox devkit debian is not found. If i apt-get install scratchbox-devkit-debian it says the latest is already installed	22:53
pupnik	version mismatch?	22:54
jani	_Shurik_: i was afk for a while but got back now .. i got maemo desktop running in scratchbox just fine ..	22:54
_Shurik_	great	22:57
_Shurik_	and all of that on a standard fc6?	22:57
_Shurik_	or you tweaked it?	22:57
jani	nothing major ..	22:59
livingtm_	pupnik, i installed scratchbox just now using the script maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh	22:59
jani	only difference is that i dont use yum, i have apt-get ..	22:59
livingtm_	i would hope there isnt a version mismatch	22:59
jani	livingtm_: it could be the same problem as i had ..	23:00
livingtm_	jani, which was?	23:00
jani	echo 0 >	23:01
jani	/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled	23:01
jani	that was causing some problems for me for version check ..	23:01
livingtm_	i dont follow	23:02
jani	or if that file is not found it's prolly /proc/sys/kernel/vdso	23:02
jani	try "echo 0 > echo 0 >	23:02
jani	damn this copypaste	23:02
jani	try running " echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled"	23:02
jani	and then try to install the maemo-sdk with the script ..	23:02
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jani	or	23:03
livingtm_	as root?	23:03
jani	yes. As a root .. Or "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso"	23:03
livingtm_	i get permision denied	23:03
jani	as a root ? =)	23:03
livingtm_	yes	23:03
livingtm_	well, sudo in ubuntu	23:03
livingtm_	su	23:03
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jani	try this as root: find /proc -name "vdso" -print	23:04
jani	it should print out a filename ..	23:05
livingtm_	okay didnt work	23:05
livingtm_	i did the echo successfuly	23:05
livingtm_	but then i still get that debian devkit error	23:05
livingtm_	E: Scratchbox devkit debian not found.	23:05
livingtm_	E: Please complete scratchbox installation first.	23:05
livingtm_	E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.	23:05
jani	how are you trying to run maemo-sdk script?	23:05
livingtm_	bash maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh	23:06
livingtm_	like the tutorial says	23:06
jani	well, you could try to to give the -s parameter too 0)	23:06
livingtm_	i mean the install instructions http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt	23:06
jani	yes i know those =)	23:06
jani	did you install scratchbox first ?	23:06
livingtm_	-s .scratchbox?	23:06
livingtm_	er /scratchbox?	23:07
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jani	yep. was it successfull ? =))	23:07
livingtm_	nope same error	23:07
jani	mm..	23:07
livingtm_	bash maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh -s /scratchbox/	23:07
jani	i think the tutorial might be missing the reboot or start sbox part =)	23:08
livingtm_	i did start scratchbox	23:08
livingtm_	maybe i will reboot	23:08
livingtm_	brb :-)	23:08
jani	wait	23:08
livingtm_	i love rebooting linux..	23:08
jani	did you add yourself into sbox group ?	23:08
livingtm_	oh, the installer did but i didnt log out and back in...	23:08
livingtm_	brb :-)	23:08
jani	yes, thats required	23:08
livingtm_	(better than a reboot)	23:08
jani	group changes arent applied till you relog	23:09
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jani	any luck ?	23:11
livingtm	nope	23:14
livingtm	:-(	23:14
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livingtm	im definitely in the group sbox	23:16
livingtm	I thoguth scripts were suppose dto make it easier? :-)	23:16
jani	does your machine have /scratchbox/devkits/debian directory ?	23:19
jani	that error message you are getting is coming from the shell script part which checks if directory $scratchbox/devkits/$devkit exists or not .. $devkit == debian and $scratchbox is the directory where you should have installed the scratchbox .. which is /scratchbox by default if you didnt give -s switch to the first shellscript you ran ..	23:21
livingtm	there are three directories	23:23
livingtm	debian etch	23:24
livingtm	debian lenny	23:24
livingtm	debian sarge	23:24
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jani	doesnt sound right ..	23:32
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jani	but i dont know much so about the install procedure =)	23:33
jani	i have cputransp debian debian-sarge doctools perl in $scratchbox/devkits/ folder ..	23:33
livingtm	livingtm@acer:/scratchbox/devkits$ ls	23:34
livingtm	cputransp debian-etch debian-lenny debian-sarge doctools perl	23:34
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kakos	Quick question... what does the LED light under the D-pad do exactly?	23:41
kakos	On the N800	23:42
_Shurik_	battery test?	23:42
derf	Blink.	23:42
kakos	Does it have any particular use?	23:42
kakos	Does it stay lit up if I have new mail?	23:42
derf	It drains your battery very nicely.	23:43
_Shurik_	hehe	23:43
Sho_	Any easy way to actuate it from the shell, btw?	23:44
trevarthan	Is there a way to increase the text size without having to scroll in maemo's browser?	23:51
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trevarthan	For example, in firefox you can do CTRL+SHIFT++ to increase the text size. The line wrap stays the same. Just the font size increases....	23:52
_Shurik_	select optimized view	23:52
_Shurik_	that will prevent side scroll	23:52
trevarthan	sweet. I was wondering what that did. Thanks!	23:53
_Shurik_	np	23:53
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livingtm	jani, I have a debian-sarge folder	23:59

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