IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-06-14

suihkulokkierr, since when does making a debian package need a makefile with correctly set dependencies00:00
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lle2suihkulokki: maybe that started today? trends come and go so fast these days00:01
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Mikhowell, I started out following the debian maintenance tutorial and it happily assumed there's a makefile in the program root, and dh_make seemed to complain about it so I assumed I need a makefile00:02
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lle2doesn't the tutorial contain a sample makefile or something?00:03
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Mikhoin addition, there doesn't seem to be a reasonable choice of IDE that would manage makefiles for me00:03
lle2aha, now we can redo the IDE discussion from earlier00:04
Mikhoanjuta just seems to complicate things00:04
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zuhIDE:s usually do ;)00:05
MikhoI'm beginning to understand why people say things like vi/vim/emacs when I ask for IDE recommendations00:05
suihkulokkijust download some existing application sources and build it00:07
Mikhohey, "g++ -E -M `pkg-config hildon-libs --cflags` main.cpp" seems to work!00:07
lle2IDE would be ok if nokia preconfigured it and created wizards and shit to make the whole thing painless, but since nokia doesn't do that, IDEs suck00:08
konttoriI still think the best way would be a perfectly made vmware image. (but that's just me)00:11
edistarI'd like that!00:11
edistaror qemu..00:11
gla55lle2: carbide.c++ is starting to be okayish for symbian dev..(well.. thats relative of course, since symbian tools are so crap)00:14
Mikhonice! I proceeded into linker errors when running make00:14
Mikholle2: thanks! your tip was very helpful00:16
MikhoI actually managed to make my hello world by using custom Makefile00:16
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lle2Mikho: np :)00:18
Mikhonow for some fine tuning...00:18
Mikhois there a convention for placing compiled source (=object) files?00:19
Mikhosrc, bin or obj maybe?00:19
lle2well, I typically leave them in the same dir as sources00:20
derfEveryone does.00:21
Mikhohmm, my makefile seems to throw them in the root, even though the sources are in src00:21
derfAnd tool support for putting them anywhere else is "poor", so you might as well get used to it.00:21
Mikhothe rule is:00:21
Mikho%.o: %.cpp00:22
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Mikho(tab) $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $<00:22
MikhoVPATH variable is set to src00:23
lle2get rid of the VPATH00:23
Mikhoit'd still find the source file?00:23
lle2you should only need it if you want to support putting obj files into a separate dir tree00:24
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Mikhonow this is weird, it thinks main.o is compiled and tries to link even though it isn't ready00:29
Mikhoit seems the generated dependency list somehow messes up the search for the real object file00:36
Mikhohow can I combine the dependencies and the build instructions for main.o?00:37
Mikhoactually, even if I remove the "include .depends", it can't find the rule to make object files00:38
lle2I would do something like:00:38
lle2objects = main.o00:38
Mikhowhy doesn't it suddencly accept %.o : %.cpp ?00:39
lle2this is pointless00:39
lle2there are millions of makefiles out there00:39
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Mikhooh, it says it can't find the rule even if it just can't find the source file00:40
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Knowledgeis gnome an option for the n800 yet?01:08
nomisshould it be?01:08
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konttoriHave you seen the archos  704? 800x480 7" screen. Opera 9.01:16
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Knowledgenomis:....hmm, not really.01:28
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nomisKnowledge: if you're looking for alternatives to the hildon desktop you might want to have a look at GPE.01:31
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Knowledgenomis: I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but is GPE Covered in the forums?01:31
nomiswhat forums?01:32
nomisKnowledge: no idea, I don't care about that forum.01:32
Knowledgenomis: gotcha01:34
Knowledgethank you for the info01:34
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n838901will maemo run on a sharp zaurus?04:55
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Alecrimhi all, I want to see mouse cursor in my device. does anyone know how to do it?05:07
AlecrimI'm using Xfbdev05:07
AlecrimI'm using maemo05:07
Alecrimmaemo + fbdev05:08
Alecrimbut when matchbox starts, mouse cursor disappear05:09
Alecrimany idea?05:09
Alecrimthanks in advance !!05:09
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Alecrimdragon: thanks for you last comment, I solved my problem with Xfbdev using parameter "-keybd keyboard"05:10
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N800Human Interface Device profiles06:38
N800supported by n800....06:38
N800i want to open a file with the extension .hid....its a remote control for winamp......06:38
N800any  help on how i go about doing this?06:39
N800my n800 is paired with my notebook...06:39
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melmothkonttori, gobject.GError: no element 'tremor' (in Mediacenter line 265 create GSTOGGPlayer)10:24
melmothdoes this ring a bell of some sort ?10:25
konttoriYou need to install ogg plugin.10:25
melmothdont forget to set the dependencie in the deb file :)10:25
melmoththanks for the info10:25
konttoriI don't consider it a dependency, as not all need ogg support10:26
konttoriAnd that package is not a small one, as you can see when you install it10:26
konttoriI added a comment on ogg install to the blog post.10:27
konttoriAlso, ogg support isn't complete yet. It plays only one song at a time and you have to press the dpad right to move to next song.10:30
konttoriI recommend using mainly mp3 files.10:30
melmothwell; it s a start :)10:30
melmothwont work with me.10:30
melmothhalf of my music is in ogg10:30
konttoriYeah. I't only a matter of detecting end of file.10:30
konttoriLook on the bright side: Half of it is in mp3!10:31
konttoriAlso, seeking doesn't work, as the ogg plugin doesn't support seeking (or so I've heard)10:31
melmothoh, and what about having the skin color being a preference so one can avoid having 2 entry in the menu ?10:31
konttoriWill come in future releases10:32
konttoriJust one of those comprmises one has to make sometimes.10:32
melmothoh, cool, the volume buttons just work as it should :)10:33
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konttoriYeah. Although I was considering using them for next song/previous song at some point.10:34
konttoriBut then wen't for the 'official' approach of using dpad left/right10:34
konttoriwent even10:34
melmothkonttori, do you use the maemo svn repository daily ?10:42
melmothbecause i only see add, no updates .10:42
melmothHmm. Is there another repository one can checkout the latest and greatest devel version ?10:42
melmothany reason why you dont use the garage svn ?10:42
melmothit would be...10:43
melmothcool ?10:43
konttoriWell, considering it's python, you can just unpack the deb to your hd and mess with the code10:43
melmothyep, but i dont know what you may be working on10:43
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konttoriYeah. Reason is that I'm currently in the process of moving to use eclipse and my current editor doesn't support svn10:43
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melmothHey, just launch a "svn commit -m 'daily commit'" daily in a shell10:44
konttoriI was using subetha edit for quite a long time. Now, that's a great collaborative coding system10:44
melmothit will work whatever editor you are using10:44
konttoriHmm.. I'll consider that.10:45
konttoriI could put that as a macro to komodo.10:46
melmothi dont know, i just use emacs to edit file , and commit stuff with the svn commands when stuff works.10:48
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melmothgrumble; does not seems to propose the ogg gstreamer thingy for i386...11:00
kulvethose are for armel only11:02
melmothi think i will have a closer look at gstreamer ogg and ukmp when everything will be smotthly commitable using svn on a scratchbox :)11:03
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kulvethe ogg stuff is just upstream packages compiled to armel11:03
kulveplus the mime types etc for maemo11:04
kulveactually there is some small changes in ogg gst plugin..11:04
konttoridoesn't linux have ogg support by default (on desktop)?11:04
melmothplease put stuff on a svn somewhere, or at least a repo with the src deb11:04
kulve(of course)11:04
kulvemelmoth: I didn't see it neccessary to put those in svn, since they mostly the untouched upstream packages..11:05
kulveI could keep the (small) patches in svn though..11:05
konttorimelmoth: If you are up to it, it would be great if ogg would switch from GST_STATE_PLAYING to something else when it finishes playing.11:05
konttorie.g. GST_STATE_NULL11:06
konttorior GST_STATE_PAUSED (or whatever)11:06
kulvekonttori: hmm..?11:06
melmothi know nothing about gstreamer, but after a first feel of ukmp, it is worth taking some times to see if it s a trivial stuff to do, and then try, or not, and then wait somebody does it :)11:06
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konttoriWell, I can probably do it in ukmp as well in a few steps another way, but it would just make sense to fix the ogg gstreamer component as well (as other programs might like to use it as well)11:08
konttoriAlso, would rock if it could give current position in some format.11:09
konttoriI'm currently querying: self.player.query_position(gst.FORMAT_TIME)11:09
kulveI think the stop/pause/play with oggs (using the integer stuff) is working just fine11:09
kulvewith the ivorbisdec11:09
kulve(or was it vorbisidec)11:10
konttoriAhh.. I'm using tremor. Should I switch to ivorbis?11:10
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kulvekonttori: I think you should try it out11:10
melmothme too :)11:11
konttoriJust put a package.11:11
kulvetremor didn't need oggdemux, right? ivorbis does, iirc.11:11
konttoriTesting on device now11:11
kulvethey should both be there11:11
konttoriSo, how should I change this to include the demux: gst.parse_launch( "gnomevfssrc name=source ! ivorbisdec name=decoder ! dsppcmsink name=sink" )11:13
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kulvegnomevfssrc name=source ! oggdemux ! ..11:13
AD-N770good morning11:13
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konttoridexing worked. It's playing a file now.11:21
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konttoriI'll just ait until it stops playing and see i it's able to move to next song.11:21
konttoriis ivorbis less stressfull for the processor?11:21
konttorithan tremor11:21
kulveI think they are about the same11:22
kulveI would guess the actual codec is the same code11:22
kulvebut I just wildly guessing here :)11:22
konttoriworked perfectly11:24
kulvenp :)11:25
konttoriI added a 1.3 dev to garage for you melmoth:
konttoriSo that you can play the other half as well ;)11:31
konttoriok, seeking doesn't work in that.11:32
konttoriBut it's already an improvement11:32
kulveyeah, we don't have seeking either11:32
kulveand we haven't really had time to check it out11:32
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protocol2Does anybody know, how to use GUNIT in ARMEL target?11:41
melmothkonttori, cool i will probably have look at it tonight, or this week end :)11:43
protocol2I have force installed the libgunit_0.5.2-2_arm.deb and gunit-hildon_0.1.2-1_arm.deb on the scracthbox. But I can not compile my gunit test code. It gives error "ERROR: Source object //usr/lib/ has EABI version 0, but target test-send-receive has EABI version 4"11:43
kulvethe debian architecture in maemo was arm long time ago. Now it's armel11:44
kulveso you need new versions of those deb packages11:44
kulverecompiling should be enough11:44
protocol_kulve: Where to find armel deb packages for those libraries?11:45
kulvedunno, I have no idead what gunit is11:45
protocol_kulve: gunit is for unit test.11:46
kulvewhere did you get them?11:46
protocol_But there is no packages for armel target.11:47
kulvetry getting the .dsc and .tar.gz11:47
kulvethen dpkg-source -x file.dsc11:47
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kulvethen cd justcreateddireectory11:47
kulvethen dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot11:47
protocol_kulve: I will try it now, thanks a lot.11:48
kulvethat will produce you the armel debs *if* the APIs haven't changed (and they are at least somewhat)11:49
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shmumaHello, all! Have anyone configured WPA-EAP on n800? I imported my certificate, but it doesn't appear in combobox in connection manager.13:35
konttoriBy the way will nokia lauch the firmware tomorrow?13:37
Sho_konttori: Hm what firmware?13:38
konttorinext firmware13:38
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konttoriwell, it's been speculated that might be coming soon. At least on the internettablettalk forums13:40
konttoriCan't remember where they got the impression that it would be coming out now13:40
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GathajaI have Gtk::TreeView in my program which I'm clearing and updating. If I tap treeview furiously it will give "GLIB-GObject g_value_unset: assertion G_IS_VALUE(value) failed", some other critical errors and finally segmentation fault. Would someone know why this is happening?13:52
melmothGathaja, i had a similar issues.13:53
melmothwait , let me find the bug again13:53
melmothbut dont be too happy, it s still in NEW state :)13:53
melmothit segfaulted when i was recreating a fresh model13:54
melmothif i just clear() the model, everything is fine13:54
melmothso i really dont know if it the same as you.13:54
Gathajayep, I clear it and then put new rows to the model13:56
Gathajaseems I need to make an account to that page13:56
melmothi dont know. When in doubt, it may be a better idea to open a separate bug13:57
melmothGathaja, if you can make a short test case, posting it on the maemo devel list may help as well13:58
melmoththere was an interesting one recently (that ended up in bugzilla anyway :) )13:58
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Gathajahmm, seems that there's no unset_model() in gtkmm eventhough it's in the documentation14:22
Gathajafor treeview14:22
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taneliwhy does gnome_vfs_open report "invalid uri"?14:45
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kulvemaybe you have invalid uri?14:46
taneliit works in browser ...14:47
Juhazbrowsers go to amazing lenghts to deal with crappy input.14:47
Juhazwhat's the uri?14:47
tanelihere's one:
Juhazworks here14:51
Juhazbut maybe th eextra question mark is the issue. does work?14:52
kulvetaneli: is your opemode correct?14:52
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Juhazactually it should almost certainly be &14:54
MikaTHey all. I need to create a CGI app for N770 that digs stuff from the addressbook. I was going to open the abook with osso_abook_init_with_name etc. but this needs osso_context and I can't get osso_initialize to return it. Is there something that prevents osso_initialize from within a CGI?14:55
tanelikulve: GNOME_VFS_OPEN_READ right?14:56
kulvetaneli: yep14:56
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taneliIt appears that http://<anything> gives invalid uri, what could be wrong...15:11
inzmaybe your gnome-vfs doesn't support http?15:12
tanelithat's possible, why wouldn't it? I'm on N80015:13
inzat least there seems to be on 77015:15
zuh'gnomevfs-cat' seems to work ok on N80015:17
tanelias it does here, now I'm puzzled ...15:18
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BobsworthHi, i'm having a really annoying bug with text input with opera:
BobsworthAnybody else experiencing this?16:55
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BobsworthAnybody that can help me?16:58
osfameronI have problems with the on screen keyboard going insane and CApitaLIzing things oddly in Opera16:59
osfameronbut not that particular problem no16:59
BobsworthIt's pretty frustrating. I have to write things in the notepad then paste them over.17:00
osfameronyeah, me too17:01
osfameronor, even better, on a laptop and then transfer them across the USB cable :-)17:01
BobsworthOther apps work fine with text input, just opera that borks17:04
inzDidn't get that on 770 at least17:04
tigertBobsworth: yeah, its a known issue I think17:07
BobsworthHmm, opera doesn't appear in the application manager, so I can't easily reinstall it, or did they give it some other name?17:08
tigertits part of the base system17:08
BobsworthTigert, haven't seen anything alse about it on the internet17:08
osfameronI keep on meaning to check bug reports for N800 and file them if they're not there... but I'm too lazy17:09
osfameronand there's so many bugs that it would just take too long...17:09
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BobsworthText handling in minimo isn't too good either, it keeps closing the full screen keyboard17:11
BobsworthAnd doesn't show the text of the field when it does let you open it17:12
BobsworthOr is it just my tablet?17:13
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* Sho_ can't get Minimo installed because the download times out all the time ... great server17:22
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inzhmm, did someone trip over the power cord of ;)17:32
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BobsworthThis really illustrate  my problem, I entered the numbers ONCE opening and closing the keyboard a few times, look what happens:
inzBobs, open-close-open-close causes trouble on 770 too17:40
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BobsworthIs it as bad as that? Aren't there any fixes?17:43
timelesshello world17:45
* timeless is looking for someone familiar w/ apt and dist-upgrade17:45
timelessspecifically i'm wondering if i can do apt dist-upgrade -r /some_other_root17:46
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zbrownIs it possible to run thttpd with python pages being served to create an ajax application with the maemo platform?17:50
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Bobsworthtimeless, doesn't look like you're gonna get much help here. My knowledge barely extends beyond apt-get moo :P17:51
* timeless nods17:52
timelessi should just try it17:52
melmothsounds like a famoust last word...17:53
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inzzbrown, at least you can use nginx and php ;)17:54
MikhoI managed to set up my hello world using autotools \o/17:56
Mikhonow, making the debian package should be simple17:57
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inzHmm, I think I should update my nginx package18:00
inzThe current package is 0.5.13 and current nginx is 0.5.2518:00
BobsworthSo, no advice on opera textarea borking?18:06
BobsworthWell, goodbye then18:08
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JMFXcan some guru help me? How can I run osso-backup with root priveleges?18:11
JMFXthe only way i have found so far to launch it from terminal is through maemo-invoker: exec maemo-invoker /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch18:12
JMFXThe funny thing is that ps shows maemo-invoker running as root, with child process osso-backup.launch running as "user".18:12
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JMFXcan some guru help me? How can I run osso-backup with root priveleges?18:50
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JMFXhello! How can I run osso-backup with root priveleges?18:51
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inzJMFX, a) it is not very polite to keep asking the same question over and over, b) why do you need to, c) maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch18:53
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JMFXinz, thank you for reply, I am just mad with that simplest thing that just does not work. I need to be able to backup and restore my custom settings after reflash without manual chmoding. does not work from console for osso-backup. The only way i have found so far to launch it from terminal is through maemo-invoker: exec maemo-invoker /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch. The funny thing is that ps shows maemo-invoker running as root, with child process19:18
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`0660i didn't know they already published the new firmware :)19:21
`0660hmm, i should probably add "new firmware" to my hilights :)19:23
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JMFXinz, thank you very much, " maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch" perfectly worked from root console.19:28
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* Mikho issues an official thanks for everyone who's helped me with my efforts in installing a hello-world program on the n770 device20:42
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MikhoI finally made it20:42
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Mikho-> beer20:42
_Shurik_I will be messing with it next and pretty sure will ask you some questions :)20:43
MikhoI'd be happy to help everyone with the problems I've faced and solved thus far20:45
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fish_ah crap, that sucks21:25
fish_my n770 keeps rebooting.. only the "NOKIA" splash comes up and after a few seconds it reboots again21:27
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_Shurik_gotta re-flash it from linux21:27
fish_but whats the problem?21:27
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_Shurik_did you just flash a new kernel?21:28
_Shurik_just happened?21:28
fish_i have this problem since a few month, normaly it comes up again after some dozen times rebooting21:29
_Shurik_I would re-flash it really21:29
_Shurik_that happened to me when I was upgrading firmware. Well... on my n80021:29
_Shurik_I don't have 77021:29
_Shurik_but before any servicing I would reflash the whole thing21:29
fish_can i backup my n770 image with the flasher somehow?21:36
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trevarth1nIs there any way to increase the number of simultaneous SSH logins allowed in maemo? 6 seems like too few. I need at least 8.21:58
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`0660why not use screen?22:00
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trevarth1nI can't install it on my n800 for some reason. Some missing dep.22:02
trevarth1nDoesn't screen use a TTY?22:02
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Sho_N800why do you need that many, btw?22:07
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kakosHas there been a new firmware release for the N800 recently?22:11
Sho_N800kakos:  in may, afaik22:14
kakosI kept hearing talk about a firmware with Skype or some crap22:15
kakosWondering if I missed something22:15
trevarth1nSho_N800: development crap. Need lotsa sessions.22:15
trevarth1nkakos: think that's due Q4 or something.22:16
trevarth1nlater this year anyway.22:16
Sho_N800trevarth1n:  ah. just got mine the other day, no dev'ing yet.22:17
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* kakos wants a new firmware NOW22:18
_Shurik_what's wrong with old one?22:18
kakosI just want new hawtness22:19
_Shurik_I'm just happy that it reads hchd22:19
_Shurik_eerr hcsd22:19
kakosThe old one?22:19
_Shurik_well, after kernel update22:19
kakosI was going to say.  ;)22:20
trevarth1nI hope they include sdhc in the next firmware. They're gay if they don't since it's available right now in an alternate kernel.22:20
kakosI hope they include SDHC and USB Host22:20
trevarth1nOne thing the alternate kernel doesn't support is SDHC via the USB client thingy. I can't plug my n800 into my computer and use it as a card reader. Hope they fix that too.22:22
trevarth1nI don't think USB host is getting fixed anytime soon. I think the kernel drivers are too flaky right now. You can look up the chipset on google and see discussions about it on the linux kernel list.22:23
kakostrevarth1n: I can do it with mine22:24
trevarth1nyou using an SDHC card?22:24
trevarth1nhuh... maybe it's my kernel on the desktop machine then.22:24
trevarth1noh well.22:24
kakosWhat isn't yours doing?22:25
_Shurik_I think once n800 is patched to read sdhc, then you can read them via USB22:25
_Shurik_at least I can access my 8gig SD via usb when connected to pc22:25
trevarth1nI can't see my SDHC card. It complains. Probably need to upgrade my kernel on the desktop machine.22:25
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trevarth1nI could try it with my windows host, but I'm too lazy to find a USB cable right now.22:26
_Shurik_does you n800 see the SD?22:27
kakosThe only problem I had was mounting the card via USB if I have two partitions on my card22:27
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trevarth1n_Shurik_: Yeah, of course.22:29
_Shurik_hm I se22:29
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trevarth1nhey.... how do I insert a RETURN keycode when using synergy and an xterm on my n800? It keeps popping up the virtual keyboard when I hit ENTER.22:38
trevarth1nnm... I figured it out. Enter on the keyboard's keypad actually inserts a return character on my n800's xterm. The normal Enter key pops up the virtual keyboard.22:43
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kakosWho runs the ITT forums?22:45
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Andy80hi all23:48
Andy80one quick question...23:48
Andy80do you know if it's available a port of ices2 or darkice for n770/800?23:49
Andy80I mean a client to send voice/stream to an IceCast server...23:49
Andy80it would be very usefull for me23:49
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Andy80ok... I'll porte both :)23:55
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