| harleypig | What's a good bluetooth keyboard for the n800? | 00:01 |
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| b0unc3 | harleypig: the nokia sw-8w would have to work | 00:08 |
| tigert | harleypig: just get used to the thumb keyboard | 00:09 |
| tigert | its much nicer | 00:09 |
| tigert | if you really use the device when on the go | 00:09 |
| harleypig | I haven't even tried it ... | 00:09 |
| tigert | bluetooth keyboards are fun when you are sitting on a desk where you have you laptop along anyway as well :) | 00:10 |
| tigert | try it | 00:10 |
| tigert | its not too bad, I irc with it just nicely | 00:10 |
| tigert | the drawback is you dont see the app while typing, but thats minor issue | 00:10 |
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| harleypig | Hmmm ... I'm not seeing it ... do I have to install it? | 00:11 |
| ||cw | hold your finger on the text box for a few seconds then let go | 00:12 |
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| harleypig | Oh. Interesting. | 00:14 |
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| konttori | ukmp 1.1 out! | 00:19 |
| konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html | 00:19 |
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| konttori | Includes OGG support! | 00:23 |
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| konttori | Man, vmware fusion looks cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIApJMzGzDQ | 00:40 |
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| konttori | Interesting. 189 $ laptop from asus | 00:44 |
| konttori | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/114773/asus-stuns-computex-with-100-laptop.html# | 00:44 |
| konttori | runs linux | 00:45 |
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| konttori | larger image: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_125/it_portal_pic_62535.jpg?751 | 00:45 |
| konttori | Another take http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/ | 00:47 |
| konttori | Looks really nasty competition to foleo as well as internettablet. (ok, nastier for foleo, less nasty for n800 - but WILL effect whole internet appliance market.) | 00:48 |
| konttori | In this image you can see how small asus is: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40076 | 00:50 |
| b0unc3 | konttori: looks really interesting! | 00:50 |
| konttori | indeed | 00:50 |
| javamaniac | nice toy! | 00:51 |
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| konttori | we'll see if it's that much a toy. Might work pretty nicely for the ubiquitous communication device. | 00:51 |
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| zakx | if they're really releasing it anyway | 00:53 |
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| konttori | true. | 00:55 |
| konttori | OTOH, they did refer availability this year. | 00:56 |
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| tigert | no pics of the ui though | 01:16 |
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| unique311 | ok, i haven't touch my n800 in 3 days.......wtf. | 01:20 |
| sethstorm | that isnt a bad thing | 01:20 |
| unique311 | not good at all | 01:20 |
| unique311 | finally fixed my thinkpad...had issues with it....but still undecided as to what OS to install on it.. | 01:22 |
| sethstorm | dualboot if you're undecided ;) | 01:22 |
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| derf | I finally got everything working on my thinkpad. | 01:28 |
| derf | Suspend, hibernate, monitor switching, ultrabay switching... | 01:29 |
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| tigert | how did you make ultrabay work? on linux? | 01:43 |
| tigert | post tutorial :) | 01:43 |
| unique311 | thinkpad ? | 01:46 |
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| unique311 | i have a t41p old............. | 01:46 |
| unique311 | but i paid 30 dollars for it..so its a great catch | 01:47 |
| unique311 | running mediacenter on it..right now...might keep it media center and just run vmware | 01:48 |
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| SeRi_zZZzZz | I havea t30 running FC6 | 02:00 |
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| unique311 | whats new in maemo, besides nokia messing with thoughtfix | 02:45 |
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| unique311 | free thoughtfix....i have the tshirts in the making... | 02:45 |
| trevarthan | So..... I'm thinking we need some new GTK widgets designed just for touch screens. | 02:48 |
| trevarthan | You know, widgets with inertia and stuff like that. | 02:48 |
| trevarthan | BTW, does the n800 have any 3D hardware? Or is it purely a 2D device? | 02:48 |
| sp3000 | well, it has several millimetres or depth | 02:51 |
| sp3000 | so year three-dee hardware :D | 02:52 |
| * sp3000 is sleepy, can you tell | 02:52 | |
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| trevarthan | Yeah, I just read something by pancake stating that there's some sort of licensing for the 3D chipset, and the mobo isn't very well designed to accomodate 3d performance even if there was a driver. | 02:53 |
| trevarthan | But still, we could still do inertial widgets. | 02:54 |
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| edt | If you add a folder by mistake on the n800's application starter, how do you remove it? | 03:16 |
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| trevarthan | Not sure. I usually use the simple starter. | 03:17 |
| trevarthan | It's a one bar starter that takes up less space and I think is easier to deal with. | 03:18 |
| edt | can you remove it from the menu? (I have had my n800 3 hours...) | 03:20 |
| trevarthan | Can you remove what from the menu? | 03:20 |
| edt | on the left of the screen | 03:21 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, you can uninstall it. You can also move it to a different folder on the left. | 03:21 |
| trevarthan | Go to Tools -> Navigation and I think click to tab in the upper left to move things around. | 03:22 |
| trevarthan | If you want to uninstall something then you can do that from Tools -> Application Manager | 03:22 |
| edt | no tool navigation here - I have half figured out the app manager... | 03:24 |
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| trevarthan | oh, sorry | 03:31 |
| trevarthan | it's Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation | 03:32 |
| trevarthan | I'm doing this from memory. My wife is playing with my n800.. :) | 03:32 |
| edt | how do you use simple launcher? | 03:34 |
| trevarthan | Install it from app manager, then go to your desktop, click the down arrow next to "home", and add the applet to your desktop. | 03:35 |
| trevarthan | once it's on your desktop you go to the "home" menu again and configure it. | 03:35 |
| trevarthan | Here's a little video about the canola applet that will give you an idea what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCg90Pz0as | 03:37 |
| trevarthan | BTW, *do* *not* install the zsh or maemo weather packages. They'll royal jack up your tablet. | 03:40 |
| rwhitby | IDEA is a good launcher too | 03:42 |
| rwhitby | (and has a transparent background, compared to the ugly white of the simple launcher that I tried | 03:42 |
| trevarthan | yeah, it's a bulky beast though. | 03:42 |
| * rwhitby touts http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800/ | 03:43 | |
| edt | how do you control here apps get installed? | 03:45 |
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| trevarthan | It usually asks you where you want to put them at install time. Usually. That's about all the control you have. | 03:46 |
| * trevarthan touts http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800 | 03:46 | |
| * trevarthan likes rwhitby's theme better than his own. :) | 03:46 | |
| * edt collects links | 03:48 | |
| rwhitby | trevarthan: yeah, but your site has more content :-) | 03:49 |
| edt | when I updated to the latest kernel all the apps I installed were lost. Is this par for the course? | 03:49 |
| trevarthan | If by "kernel", you mean "firmware", then "yes", it's par for course. | 03:49 |
| trevarthan | However, the kernel itself is actually independently flashable apart from the rest of the firmware. | 03:50 |
| trevarthan | For example, if you want to use an SDHC card with the current firmware, you can do this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_flash_the_SDHC_kernel_w/out_connecting_to_a_computer | 03:51 |
| trevarthan | Which won't overwrite any of your applications. | 03:51 |
| edt | guess I will have to figure out how to get the inventory before updating and have apt-get reinstall after | 03:51 |
| trevarthan | edt: Check out http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups | 03:51 |
| trevarthan | Back it up once you've got it running the way you like, then worry about the details later. | 03:52 |
| edt | anyone know of a respository with synergy on it? | 03:52 |
| SeRi | synergy hasent been fully ported | 03:52 |
| edt | how much works? | 03:53 |
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| SeRi | let me link u | 03:53 |
| trevarthan | Here you go: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/ | 03:54 |
| trevarthan | Keesj does a lot of good work. You'll also want to check out his acmonitor (linked at the bottom of my page). | 03:54 |
| SeRi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ | 03:55 |
| trevarthan | I don't use synergy personally, so I don't know how well it works. I use the thumb keyboard. | 03:55 |
| SeRi | read the notes | 03:55 |
| trevarthan | huh. didn't know there was a 1.3 vs 2.0. What's the difference? | 03:56 |
| edt | hey you have ruby too! | 03:57 |
| SeRi | acmonitor is pretty c00l I did had some problems at first had to hack it a bit | 03:57 |
| SeRi | thats the old port of ruby | 03:58 |
| SeRi | use p35 | 03:58 |
| SeRi | http://pierre.droids-corp.org/maemo/ | 03:58 |
| trevarthan | What did you change in acmonitor? I've noticed some strangeness from it too, but I've never bothered tracking it down. | 03:58 |
| SeRi | ^^ latest ruby + rails | 03:58 |
| SeRi | and rubygems | 03:59 |
| SeRi | I change the behavior in the charging monitoring | 03:59 |
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| trevarthan | It doesn't save it's settings does it? Might be neat to have it do that so you don't have to reconfigure after a reboot. | 04:00 |
| SeRi | if I would set the time different fomr the default when I would turn it off it would never dim down and never charge or take for ever | 04:00 |
| SeRi | so I set to not save when charging | 04:01 |
| trevarthan | I've seen it lock the screen on at times. Usually when I'm running canola and the ac is plugged in. | 04:01 |
| SeRi | yea it acts up when charging | 04:02 |
| SeRi | so I have it to ignore | 04:02 |
| trevarthan | Oh, edt, check out keesj's netdate deb too. Handy for setting time via NTP. I've been meaning to set up a .desktop file for it for the longest time. I need to do that one of these days. | 04:03 |
| trevarthan | SeRi: So you don't have it do anything special when charging? What's the point then? | 04:03 |
| SeRi | I use it most when not charging :D | 04:03 |
| trevarthan | But I thought the whole point of acmonitor was to change the settings when it's plugged in vs not plugged in? | 04:04 |
| SeRi | for example when I am using metasploit | 04:04 |
| SeRi | acmonitor was use to change the behavior of the screen dim and turn off and remeber the times you want them to dim and turn off and remember them that way you didnt have to change it each time | 04:05 |
| SeRi | one setting for battery and one setting for charging | 04:06 |
| SeRi | before every time you reboot you had to set it manually each time | 04:06 |
| trevarthan | So if you set it to ignore charging, what's the point in using it? | 04:06 |
| SeRi | with acmonitor you dont | 04:06 |
| trevarthan | oh | 04:06 |
| SeRi | ;) | 04:06 |
| trevarthan | you just use it to remember settings between boots then? | 04:07 |
| SeRi | yes :) | 04:07 |
| edt | Does the built in email app support ssl? | 04:07 |
| SeRi | no | 04:07 |
| trevarthan | Ah. I didn't think it did that. I've had it lose my settings between boots. Maybe we're using different versions? | 04:07 |
| SeRi | use claws-mail | 04:07 |
| SeRi | I think | 04:07 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, claws-mail is the shiznit. | 04:07 |
| edt | from where? | 04:08 |
| SeRi | @trevarthan let me link you | 04:08 |
| trevarthan | edt: http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ | 04:09 |
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| trevarthan | edt: or here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/claws-mail | 04:10 |
| SeRi | snap the page is offline... you have a email I can seend it to? | 04:11 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. jesse@guardiani.us | 04:11 |
| trevarthan | I'm gonna go play some Gears of War gentlemen. Talk to you all later. | 04:12 |
| SeRi | laterz | 04:15 |
| edt | thanks for the help | 04:15 |
| edt | this is one of the reasons for getting a n800! | 04:15 |
| edt | any progress on getting opengl aware drivers for the box? | 04:17 |
| SeRi | man that would be awesme but I think the processor wont take it | 04:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OpenGL would be amazing. | 04:39 |
| * luisv watches ukmp actually find album covers of his oggs, is pleased and amazed | 04:40 | |
| luisv | ukmp is love, that is all. night! | 04:45 |
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| kamui | As the proud owner of a new N800, I just learned that I apparently can't use my Wm6 smartphones ulimited data connection with it? | 05:13 |
| kamui | seems that it doesn't support dial up networking profile anymore, but shared internet connection through PAN, is there any known workarounds? | 05:13 |
| kamui | are | 05:14 |
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| edt | how do you use becomeroot? | 05:34 |
| rwhitby | install it, and an xterm, then open the xterm and type "sudo gainroot" | 05:36 |
| rwhitby | or just install ssh and ssh in. | 05:39 |
| rwhitby | (then you don't need becomeroot) | 05:39 |
| rwhitby | (but you do need to be able to access the n800 over the network) | 05:39 |
| edt | how do you get the ip - its dhcp assigned here (its easy if you are root) | 05:45 |
| kamui | ifconfig should still give you your addresses | 05:50 |
| kamui | you just cant change or configure the hardware without root access | 05:50 |
| edt | ifconfig is not found as 'user' | 05:51 |
| kamui | . /sbin/ifconfig | 05:51 |
| kamui | try that | 05:51 |
| edt | yes | 05:52 |
| edt | figured that out too | 05:52 |
| edt | thanks | 05:52 |
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| kamui | so that worked or you're being sarcastic and letting me know you've already tried that | 05:52 |
| kamui | I have yet to install the console on my shiny new n800 | 05:52 |
| edt | is there a shortcut to go to full screen | 05:52 |
| kamui | Im still trying to get this god damn pan internet connection working | 05:53 |
| edt | not sarcastic - kicking myself for asking a stupid question | 05:53 |
| edt | mine is about 5 hours old now | 05:53 |
| kamui | :) | 05:53 |
| edt | yep | 05:53 |
| kamui | well Im glad im not the only new one in here | 05:53 |
| kamui | I haven't even tried to install any new software yet | 05:54 |
| edt | birthdays presents can be fun | 05:54 |
| kamui | Happy Birthday to you then buddy :) | 05:54 |
| edt | thanks | 05:54 |
| rwhitby | edt: The Connection Manager also has a menu item to show the network address | 05:59 |
| kamui | looks like I "MAY" have found a script will allow a pan connection to my Dash | 05:59 |
| kamui | this is such a damn chore | 05:59 |
| kamui | not at all what I expected when I bought this thing | 06:00 |
| kamui | otherwise I feel It may replace my C3000 | 06:00 |
| kamui | isn't this supposed to support WPA-PSK TKIP? | 06:02 |
| edt | wpa wooks here | 06:05 |
| kamui | I just fixed it | 06:06 |
| kamui | looks like I thumbed the wrong password :-D | 06:06 |
| kamui | now if I can find a way to get this pan ics working I think Ill be really happy | 06:06 |
| edt | its nice to be able to ssh into the box | 06:07 |
| edt | see http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800/ | 06:07 |
| edt | he has some good stuff doced | 06:08 |
| mhzhu | hello, where can I find some slides about maemo ? thx ! | 06:09 |
| edt | rwhitby thanks - with the pointer I found it | 06:14 |
| pupnik_ | ruby on rails describes my last bondage fetish girlfriend | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | HO-guage | 06:17 |
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| kamui | sems that rwhitby site is down now | 06:26 |
| rwhitby | I sure hope not | 06:27 |
| rwhitby | looks up to me | 06:28 |
| kamui | there we go, its magically back :) | 06:32 |
| rwhitby | I restarted the web server :-) | 06:34 |
| kamui | thanks | 06:37 |
| kamui | Im using your guide to set up my new n800 | 06:37 |
| kamui | then Ill tackle PAN ICS | 06:37 |
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| kamui | rwhitby u still there | 07:19 |
| kamui | I install becomeroot, but how do I actually BECOME root? | 07:19 |
| kamui | I tried SU'ing but I get a this app needs privaledges | 07:19 |
| rwhitby | sudo gainroot | 07:19 |
| kamui | and sudo su also fails with that default root password | 07:19 |
| kamui | ohhh | 07:19 |
| kamui | sweet, thanks man | 07:20 |
| kamui | can I set a password on my regular user account? | 07:26 |
| kamui | or is this a bad idea that could break stuff | 07:26 |
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| unique311 | GOOGLE taking over the world... | 08:29 |
| unique311 | http://maps.google.com/maps | 08:30 |
| unique311 | try the new street view feature... | 08:30 |
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| jga23 | is there any reason why after editing my systemui.xml that the soft power off option wouldn't be in my menu after a reset? | 08:41 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 09:06 |
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| konttori | morning! | 10:11 |
| unique311 | hello | 10:12 |
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| jga23 | anybody have any experience with mono on maemo? | 10:22 |
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| konttori | Just python. Is mono already working properly in maemo? | 10:30 |
| konttori | How much does mono weight? | 10:31 |
| jga23 | I just ran the installer | 10:32 |
| jga23 | but I can't seem to find mcs or gmcs (the compilers) | 10:32 |
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| konttori | did you install it on device? | 10:35 |
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| jga23 | yeah, but I think I missed a couple libraries | 10:35 |
| konttori | I don't think that installer contains compilers. | 10:35 |
| konttori | Did you install from here: http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo | 10:35 |
| jga23 | yeah | 10:35 |
| konttori | The install there only contains the runtime | 10:36 |
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| konttori | You should compile the app on mono on your pc. | 10:36 |
| konttori | You can install mono 'devkit' on windows and linux. | 10:36 |
| konttori | just compile on your desktop, test the app, when it works, copy it to your n800 / 770 and run it there. | 10:37 |
| jga23 | I've looked into python as well, is that easy to create gui apps? | 10:37 |
| konttori | python is really nice for creating pretty much anything. | 10:38 |
| konttori | I did ukmp on it: | 10:38 |
| konttori | there's a small video: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html | 10:38 |
| konttori | Do you want to make gtk app or a full graphic app? | 10:39 |
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| jga23 | either | 10:39 |
| konttori | Ok, well, python is great for both. | 10:39 |
| jga23 | do you recommend any tutorials? | 10:40 |
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| konttori | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html | 10:41 |
| jga23 | what clock applet is that on your demo? | 10:41 |
| jga23 | pretty sweet app btw :) | 10:42 |
| konttori | Oh, that's just part of the theme. | 10:42 |
| konttori | I just made the clock bg image transparent. | 10:42 |
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| jga23 | no way to create an applet in python, right? | 10:43 |
| konttori | No yet. | 10:43 |
| konttori | Next firmware will hopefully allow it. | 10:43 |
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| konttori | if you want to create a full graphic based app like UKMP, then you need ot use pygame (part of the python install) | 10:45 |
| konttori | http://www.pygame.org/news.html | 10:45 |
| jga23 | if I just want to use standard controls, I just need the pygtk, right? | 10:46 |
| konttori | yeah | 10:46 |
| konttori | And that maemo tutorial should help you through it nicely. | 10:46 |
| jga23 | thanks | 10:47 |
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| rwhitby | konttori: is there a way to exit ukmp using a hardware key? | 11:08 |
| rwhitby | (ukmp is pretty cool, btw - used it for the first time for a vidcast and a podcast on the bus to and from work) | 11:08 |
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| konttori | Nope, no hardware key. Just press the fullscreen toggle and then close the app normally. | 11:12 |
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| konttori | I did have close binded to a key at some point, but it was all too easy to accidentally press it, so I opted for a no hardware key approach. | 11:14 |
| konttori | I probably should add an exit button to the app somewhere. | 11:14 |
| konttori | rwhitby: Did you already upgrade to UKMP 1.1? | 11:15 |
| rwhitby | konttori: what about the normal usage of holding down the back arrow, which normally closes an application but can't be pushed accidentally | 11:15 |
| konttori | I use back to switch between views. So, it would even then be a bit accidental to hold it down. | 11:16 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:16 |
| rwhitby | how about holding it down a *long* time ;-) | 11:16 |
| konttori | OTOH, that is the button I would choose as well. | 11:16 |
| rwhitby | that was the first thing I tried instinctively | 11:16 |
| rwhitby | (cause all the other apps do that) | 11:16 |
| konttori | They do? In that case, I'll add that as well. | 11:17 |
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| konttori | ok. 2 secs down and close. I'll add that to next version. | 11:17 |
| rwhitby | yep, running 1.1 (had to look for it, cause it's called mediacenter rather than ukmp) | 11:17 |
| konttori | I'll fix the name as well. good point. | 11:18 |
| rwhitby | konttori: the other thing I will be looking for is a way to delete files easily (this is for the "listen to a podcast, and then delete it and listen to the next one" use case) | 11:19 |
| konttori | Indeed. I've been wanting to do that as well. I thought I'd add that at the same time with party queue, but maybe that's something to be added even sooner. | 11:19 |
| rwhitby | (but that can be in a menu item, you wouldn't want to press a key for that accidentally) | 11:20 |
| konttori | I was thinking that user should choose mode to be delete mode. Then when you click on a song, it will be deleted. Sounds good? | 11:21 |
| rwhitby | I'm coming from a background of using Pocket Tunes on a Treo 650 for podcast and audio listening, so that colours my opinions. | 11:21 |
| konttori | Then you could delete many songs in a row easily. | 11:21 |
| rwhitby | hmm - that would be good for multiple deletes, but for the podcast use case I'd only ever want to delete one at a time, so just a menu->file->delete would be fine | 11:22 |
| rwhitby | Since in that use case I'd only delete a file every half hour or hour, I wouldn't even care if it had a confirm dialog box as well :-) | 11:23 |
| konttori | Hmm... I'm not sure if I can use GTK menus in a pygame app. I'll have to check into that. | 11:24 |
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| raharu | hi | 12:20 |
| raharu | I'd like to know if its possible to develop for maemo with debian-ppc | 12:20 |
| raharu | I mean, if there is any problem with the arch | 12:21 |
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| guardian | what's the easiest way to connect to the n800 through ssh ? | 12:50 |
| guardian | wanted to search gmane but it's borked | 12:51 |
| rwhitby | install the ssh package | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Install openssh? ;) | 12:51 |
| rwhitby | guardian: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/n800-initial-setup.html | 12:52 |
| guardian | i installed ssh package | 12:53 |
| guardian | sshd is running | 12:53 |
| guardian | what's user/pass ? | 12:53 |
| rwhitby | root/rootme | 12:54 |
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| guardian | and the pass for user ? | 12:54 |
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| guardian | rwhitby: what's the use of becomeroot when you can login as root with ssh ? | 12:57 |
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| dpb_ | you don't need ssh with becomeroot :) | 12:58 |
| guardian | and you enter the wonderful world of the command line through and virtual keyboard joy ? :) | 12:59 |
| guardian | -through | 12:59 |
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| dpb_ | yep | 12:59 |
| rwhitby | guardian: in case you're not near another computer and only have a wifi connection | 13:05 |
| rwhitby | (yes, I have both methods combined in the one blog entry there with no explanation) | 13:05 |
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| rwhitby | fixed | 13:09 |
| suihkulokki | reminder for everyone.. if you enable ssh, change the root password | 13:10 |
| suihkulokki | ..or get rooted | 13:10 |
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| guardian | thx for the help | 13:31 |
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| Gathaja | would someone know how can I use wlancond to make scan request? I tried with osso functions and keep getting OSSO_RPC_ERROR | 14:31 |
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| mhzhu | hello, how to pronounce the word "maemo" ? thx! | 15:22 |
| tigert | timeless: around? | 15:23 |
| tigert | or, later actually, got to run.- | 15:24 |
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| thomasvs | is there anyone who knows what enprocess is or does ? | 15:28 |
| nomis | mhzhu: mah-amo | 15:36 |
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| thomasvs | ok, so what's the correct way to upgrade my n800 (with the original software) to the latest 3.1 version ? | 15:47 |
| thomasvs | is it reflashing and losing all my data/new apps ? or is there a better way ? | 15:48 |
| rwhitby | that's the only way to do it properly. | 15:48 |
| rwhitby | you could try and flash the kernel and upgrade the rootfs in place from the repository, but I do things like that for the NSLU2 and I don't think I'd attempt it on the n800. | 15:49 |
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| mhzhu | nomis: thx! | 15:50 |
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| geaaru | /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `osso_g_scanner_cache_open' | 16:27 |
| geaaru | someone | 16:28 |
| geaaru | know where is defined osso_g_scanner_cache_open ? | 16:28 |
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| pulsar_ | geaaru: it must be included in the glib | 16:29 |
| pulsar_ | let me guess, you had a dist-upgrade? | 16:29 |
| geaaru | i try | 16:29 |
| geaaru | ty | 16:29 |
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| geaaru | pulsar_: after dist-upgrade works, also if i have some error with some package | 16:33 |
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| geaaru | but then on n800 i have some problem because on bora env there isn't libpangocairo :( | 16:39 |
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| pulsar_ | let me see if its in one of the repositories i have set up on the n800 | 16:45 |
| pulsar_ | well, there is a libpango and libcairo2 but not that one which you have mentioned. | 16:46 |
| pulsar_ | libpangocairo sounds like BS btw :) | 16:47 |
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| zuh | libpangocairo comes with pango, if it is built with cairo support (which it isn't on N800 AFAIK) | 16:47 |
| geaaru | wau, if isn't on n800 because is linked? :'( | 16:48 |
| geaaru | sorry i'm under sardine release and so pango is with cairo support | 16:50 |
| pulsar_ | geaaru: install libpango1.0-0 and see if it includes the cairo support. | 16:51 |
| pulsar_ | or whatever version is up to date on sardine | 16:51 |
| inz | The package is 1.0-0, version is 1.16.4 | 16:52 |
| geaaru | pulsar_: my fault, on my scratchbox i have up to date sardine version while, on n800 bora relaese, now i try to compile with a new bora scratchbox env | 16:54 |
| geaaru | thank | 16:54 |
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| Mikho | help needed again | 17:04 |
| Mikho | I'm trying very hard to install anjuta, and it seems it requires gdl-1.0 | 17:04 |
| Mikho | the gdl that comes with ubuntu feisty doesn't seem to be up to date enough, so I downloaded the source package and managed to ./configure make make install it | 17:05 |
| Mikho | gdl works from the command line allright, but I still can't ./configure anjuta source package, because it can't find gdl:s pkg-config file | 17:06 |
| Mikho | how can I create it so that I can use pkg-config to find out the associated libraries and include files? | 17:07 |
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| Mikho | In a general sense, if I install something from sources, how do I make pkg-config find it afterwards? | 17:16 |
| Mikho | anybody? | 17:16 |
| zuh | Mikho: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/prefix/lib/pkgconfig | 17:19 |
| Mikho | but there's no .pc file | 17:21 |
| Mikho | where does it come from? | 17:21 |
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| inz | Mikho, why don't you use the anjuta packaged for ubuntu? | 17:33 |
| Mikho | because it's anjuta, not anjuta2 | 17:33 |
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| guardian | are there translucent windows/widgets in gtk ? i would like to have a translucent window/widget on top of other windows | 17:34 |
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| jga23 | anybody get mono working? | 17:50 |
| Mikho | linux newbie lesson no. 1: Don't bother install anything from sources. You'll just get lost in the dependency-jungle. Instead search for a ready-made package. | 17:50 |
| Mikho | linux newbie lesson no. 1: If you can't find the package, forget about the software. It's not worth the trouble. | 17:51 |
| Mikho | hm, that was two lessons | 17:51 |
| b0unc3 | jga23: yes... | 17:54 |
| jga23 | b0unc3: how do you get mcs and gmcs on the device? | 17:55 |
| b0unc3 | jga23: you probably don't need them on the device | 17:57 |
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| jga23 | b0unc3: fair enough..... were you able to get 2.0 libraries? the mono maemo install only had 1.0 | 17:58 |
| b0unc3 | jga23: I follow http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo and this http://maemo.org/community/wiki/mono | 17:59 |
| jga23 | yeah, I did the single install click | 18:00 |
| b0unc3 | me too | 18:01 |
| jga23 | when I tried to execute a program it was looking for the 2.0/mscorlib | 18:01 |
| jga23 | but all that was installed was the 1.0/mscorlib | 18:01 |
| b0unc3 | I have 1.0/mscorlib and 2.0/mscorlib | 18:02 |
| b0unc3 | jga23: you find libmono-system2.0-cil with apt ? | 18:05 |
| jga23 | yeah, I just installed that :) | 18:05 |
| jga23 | trying to run my app again... | 18:05 |
| jga23 | great, that works | 18:06 |
| jga23 | thanks | 18:07 |
| b0unc3 | jga23: np :) | 18:07 |
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| jga23 | so theres no way to get the gmcs and mcs on the device? | 18:09 |
| b0unc3 | jga23: I have them on scratchbox | 18:10 |
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| Mikho | watching code while ./configure make make install:ing feels a bit like Matrix | 18:31 |
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| dragorn | blonde, redhead, uninitialized variable | 18:32 |
| Mikho | :) | 18:32 |
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| Mikho | success! after 6 hours and 30 mins I finally managed to install anjuta2 \o/ | 18:35 |
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| thomasvs | is it possible that a restore of 110 mb is terribly slow ? | 19:04 |
| thomasvs | it's been going at it for three hours now and it's at 15%, restoring email messages | 19:05 |
| gla55 | hmm | 19:05 |
| gla55 | entirely possible.. it progresses at leas? | 19:05 |
| zuh | thomasvs: Sounds a bit slow, but the flash is indeed slow (doubly so since it's compressed) | 19:06 |
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| thomasvs | gla55: it progresses, but I have a plane in a little bit :) | 19:18 |
| thomasvs | gla55: not sure if my batteries will hold for that long while it is restoring | 19:18 |
| thomasvs | shit | 19:19 |
| thomasvs | I just cancelled it by accident | 19:19 |
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| Mikho | anybody using anjuta? Any problems with the project manager? | 19:29 |
| Mikho | Like even if you create and load a new project, it says "no project loaded" on the project page? | 19:30 |
| Mikho | oh, it seems to be because of a older version of gnome-build library | 19:32 |
| Mikho | it seems they forgot to update the dependency :/ | 19:33 |
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| Mikho | indeed, the problem was with an old libgbf | 20:15 |
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| du2 | hi d | 21:23 |
| du2 | there | 21:23 |
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| du2 | stupid problem... | 21:25 |
| du2 | i want to autostart a sdl-app as last prog to come up | 21:25 |
| du2 | i added a script in init.d | 21:25 |
| du2 | gave it +x with chmod | 21:25 |
| du2 | added a softlink to it in rc.2 | 21:26 |
| du2 | rc2.d | 21:26 |
| du2 | doesnt work | 21:26 |
| du2 | (link name: S99appname) | 21:26 |
| du2 | where else should i add a programm to autostart?? | 21:28 |
| zuh | Do you set up the environment (DISPLAY, possibly others)? | 21:29 |
| du2 | ?? what environemt could it need?? it works when the n800 is running - i connect myself via ssh - cd to the app's basedir and write ./appname | 21:29 |
| du2 | my script does: | 21:30 |
| du2 | cd /appname | 21:30 |
| du2 | ./appname | 21:30 |
| du2 | (and starts with #!/bin/sh | 21:30 |
| zuh | If you log in via ssh, it sets up the environment (try 'echo $GTK2_RC_FILES' for example in the ssh session) | 21:32 |
| du2 | Nokia-N800-10:/sme# echo $GTK2_RC_FILES | 21:33 |
| du2 | /home/user/.osso/current-gtk-theme:/home/user/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme | 21:33 |
| du2 | Nokia-N800-10:/sme# | 21:33 |
| zuh | Your sdl APP really needs at least the DISPLAY to find the X server | 21:33 |
| du2 | okay | 21:33 |
| du2 | $DISPLAY is $0:0 | 21:33 |
| sp3000 | something like su user run-standalone.sh ./app? | 21:33 |
| * sp3000 speculates wildly | 21:34 | |
| zuh | That'd work I guess | 21:34 |
| zuh | 'source /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh' in the beginning of the rc script might do it too | 21:35 |
| du2 | ok... | 21:35 |
| du2 | thanks | 21:35 |
| ||cw | an X app should start from init.d, you shoudl use xinit | 21:36 |
| ||cw | er, shoudln't start frm init,d | 21:37 |
| ||cw | af-init is the osso equiv of xinit? | 21:37 |
| zuh | No | 21:37 |
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| du2 | display was it | 21:37 |
| zuh | af-init is just a collective name for the startup scripts specific to maemo, AFAIK | 21:38 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 21:54 |
| du2 | hi mk8 | 21:54 |
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| N800 | vmware 6 running the scratchbox image...can't get it to work.. | 23:05 |
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| N800 | https://www.mediamax.com/ | 23:16 |
| N800 | saw it on a post on maemo.org | 23:17 |
| N800 | 25GB free | 23:17 |
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| gla55 | is it fast? | 23:27 |
| zyxulnaga | you can setup an ubuntu vmware image and install scratchbox | 23:28 |
| N800 | lazy | 23:28 |
| N800 | i want to use the already made VM of scratchbox.. | 23:29 |
| N800 | works on my XP | 23:29 |
| N800 | very fast | 23:29 |
| N800 | desktop that is.. | 23:29 |
| N800 | going to try 5.5.3 and see if the error is only in 6 | 23:29 |
| zyxulnaga | where is the image | 23:29 |
| zyxulnaga | maybe i can try it | 23:29 |
| zyxulnaga | i got 6 running | 23:29 |
| N800 | its big.. | 23:30 |
| zyxulnaga | give me url | 23:30 |
| N800 | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 23:30 |
| zyxulnaga | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 23:31 |
| zyxulnaga | oh ok | 23:31 |
| zyxulnaga | hehe i just google'd it | 23:31 |
| zyxulnaga | it has an old ass ubuntu | 23:31 |
| N800 | it works... | 23:31 |
| N800 | you can update.. | 23:32 |
| N800 | heh | 23:32 |
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| zyxulnaga | I got mine with the latest | 23:32 |
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| N800 | I would mind installing ubuntu and then setting up scratchbox.. | 23:35 |
| zyxulnaga | me too but now I got it done | 23:35 |
| N800 | 'but i'm going to try the appliance in 5.5.3 and if that doesn't work.. | 23:35 |
| zyxulnaga | didnt know about that image | 23:35 |
| N800 | give manually a try | 23:35 |
| zyxulnaga | just a tip use ubuntu | 23:36 |
| zyxulnaga | its a pain in other dristro | 23:36 |
| konttori | I have 0.1 running as well (in osx) no probs installing it. | 23:36 |
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| toresbe | Hey guys - anyone have an N800? ;) | 23:38 |
| konttori | Yeah | 23:38 |
| N800 | i have osx86 running....i should try to run vmware fusion on that... | 23:38 |
| N800 | but i doubt speed will be up to par | 23:38 |
| konttori | Fusion runs brilliantly. | 23:38 |
| toresbe | I'd just love to try the Internet Call thing, could someone add me/me add someone so we could try it? | 23:38 |
| konttori | Full speed | 23:38 |
| N800 | on osx legal.. | 23:38 |
| N800 | i have a hackintosh | 23:39 |
| konttori | Just allocate a bit more ram than default. | 23:39 |
| konttori | I have mac mini as well | 23:39 |
| N800 | only have 1GB of ram.. | 23:39 |
| konttori | 1 gig here as well | 23:39 |
| N800 | tried running a developer livecd...and it froze after i unzipped a file.. | 23:39 |
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| konttori | it defaults to 256 megs of ram. Allocate 384 and you should be just fine | 23:39 |
| konttori | and still be able to run all apps pretty much normal | 23:40 |
| konttori | in osx and ubuntu | 23:40 |
| toresbe | Anyone? | 23:41 |
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| N800 | i have 1 | 23:41 |
| N800 | own | 23:41 |
| N800 | guessing alot of people in here own one... | 23:42 |
| toresbe | 22:37 < toresbe> I'd just love to try the Internet Call thing, could someone add me/me add someone so we could try it? | 23:42 |
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| N800 | hmmmm. just woke up man....very anal about how i look when i just got up.... | 23:43 |
| toresbe | hehe | 23:43 |
| N800 | that has to wait | 23:43 |
| toresbe | For the record, I've been gardening for hours now | 23:43 |
| toresbe | I look worse ;P | 23:43 |
| N800 | k, i will point the camera at the laptop screen... | 23:43 |
| N800 | les do it | 23:44 |
| toresbe | :) | 23:44 |
| toresbe | I'm toresbe@jabber.org | 23:44 |
| N800 | k | 23:44 |
| N800 | hold on | 23:44 |
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| N800 | i sent u an invite | 23:48 |
| N800 | contact offline | 23:48 |
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| toresbe | I should get the offer soon | 23:48 |
| toresbe | no such luck | 23:49 |
| N800 | hold | 23:50 |
| N800 | do you have gmail instead? | 23:50 |
| toresbe | sure, but that shouldn't matter | 23:50 |
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| N800 | check now | 23:51 |
| N800 | i sent u an autorization request | 23:51 |
| toresbe | haven't gotten it | 23:52 |
| toresbe | let's try with Google Talk. | 23:52 |
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| toresbe | I'm toresbe@gmail.com | 23:52 |
| toresbe | Hello? | 23:53 |
| toresbe | N800: Maybe we should take this into a PM. May I PM you? | 23:53 |
| N800 | yes | 23:54 |
| kamui | let me get in on some of this pm'ing action | 23:54 |
| kamui | xchat was never successfully run on the n800? | 23:54 |
| N800 | it runs | 23:55 |
| kamui | is there a but following that or it works fine | 23:55 |
| kamui | I've been using gaim irc plugin, but that is really weak | 23:55 |
| kamui | all types of little glitches | 23:55 |
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