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| jga23 | is it possible to write an applet in python? | 09:01 |
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| inz | jga, in maemo4.0 it will be | 09:30 |
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| jga23 | what can I write an applet in then? | 09:33 |
| guardian | C | 09:35 |
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| konttori | Will maemo 4.0 be included in the next firmware? | 10:01 |
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| jga23 | what is the equivalient to .bashrc on maemo? | 10:20 |
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| jga23 | anybody know how to stop dropbear ssh? | 10:39 |
| geaaru | /etc/init.d/dropbear stop | 10:40 |
| jga23 | I did that, but I can still connect | 10:40 |
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| inz | jga, .profile is the closest one to .bashrc | 10:41 |
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| jga23 | inz, thanks | 10:42 |
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| jga23 | is there any difference from installing python or installing pymaemo? | 11:00 |
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| guardian | good morning | 11:09 |
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| guardian | jga23: judging from the names i would install pymaemo | 11:09 |
| guardian | but i never used python on maemo | 11:10 |
| jga23 | ok, thanks | 11:10 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:19 |
| nkverma | hi all | 11:20 |
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| lool | Hey there; is there a way to subscribe to uploads to the archive? I see I can subscribe to SVN commits, but some teams don't use SVN | 11:29 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:59 |
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| guardian_ | spent 20 minutes to discover that i wrote G_END_DCLS instead of G_END_DECLS | 12:12 |
| guardian_ | the compiler only said "extern" undefined identifier | 12:12 |
| guardian_ | :D | 12:12 |
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| SeRi_zZZzZz | aloha | 12:27 |
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| Mikho | I'm trying to set up eclipse to compile and link using scratchbox compilers, but | 13:51 |
| Mikho | it seems the linker can't find all the libraries | 13:52 |
| Mikho | I wonder what libraries am I supposed to include in -l and what paths to -L | 13:52 |
| Mikho | I'm trying to run the simple example program in http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Building-applications | 13:53 |
| Mikho | (example_hildonprogram.c) | 13:54 |
| Mikho | the first linker error is "undefined reference to 'gtk_init'" followed by similar errors to the rest of the functions in use | 13:55 |
| melmoth | MikaT, i have no clue....but, i have here an old makefile that used to work (before i switched to python :)) ) | 14:07 |
| melmoth | HILDON_CFLAGS = -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fm | 14:07 |
| inz | it's not compiler issue, it's linker issue | 14:10 |
| inz | And you shouldn't hardcode the include paths like that, but use pkg-config instead | 14:10 |
| melmoth | well, the Makefile was generated by autoconf/autotools stuff, and it worked. | 14:11 |
| melmoth | but anyway, i switched to pyhton since anyway, it s just that the file it still there :) | 14:11 |
| inz | Mikho, try cc `pkg-config hildon-lgpl --cflags --libs` example_hildonprogram.c -o example | 14:11 |
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| Mikho | hmm | 14:16 |
| Mikho | grr, spent a good 10 mins wondering what's wrong when I had typed "hildon-lpgl" | 14:22 |
| Mikho | "cannot find" | 14:22 |
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| Mikho | sbox-arm-linux-cc: pkg-config hildon-lgpl --cflags --libs: No such file or directory | 14:54 |
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| Mikho | how is it supposed to execute that line pkg-config hildon... etc? | 14:57 |
| guardian | which would u use ? | 15:00 |
| guardian | mythtv ? | 15:00 |
| guardian | mediatomb ? | 15:00 |
| guardian | ushare ? | 15:00 |
| guardian | i don't have much time to test each one :/ | 15:00 |
| Mikho | why does it think the line inside '':s is just another input file? | 15:05 |
| kulve | those were ` not ' | 15:06 |
| Mikho | does it make a difference if it's ` or ยด ? | 15:07 |
| Mikho | just that it isn't '? | 15:07 |
| kulve | yes it does | 15:07 |
| Mikho | it has to be ` ? | 15:07 |
| kulve | using `, the shell will execute the command inside the `s before running the cc command | 15:07 |
| Mikho | is this a particular shell feature, or general 'nix? | 15:08 |
| kulve | general, afaik | 15:08 |
| Mikho | ... you learn something new every day | 15:08 |
| kulve | but I'm no shell guru :) | 15:08 |
| dpb__ | general in bourne shells atleast | 15:09 |
| Mikho | great, thanks :) | 15:09 |
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| Mikho | blah, if I run the linker outside scratchbox, it can't find hildon-lgpl, of course | 15:15 |
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| pulsar | ah, that reminds me of something. does anyone use scons inside tha scratchbox? | 15:16 |
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| inz | Mikho, some shells also support $(command), but `command` is more generic | 15:20 |
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| Mithrandir | inz: $(command) is POSIX so using that is fine. | 15:26 |
| Mithrandir | anybody using non-posix shells lose. | 15:26 |
| Mikho | this is so nice: every time I try out a wrong compiling command it spews out thousands and thousands of errors and warnings, locking itself for a few minutes | 15:27 |
| Mikho | does anybody know a good IDE for developing c++? | 15:30 |
| melmoth | well,a new emacs has just been released :) | 15:30 |
| Mikho | seems eclipse with the c++ plugin is just waste of time | 15:30 |
| pulsar | anjuta is nice | 15:30 |
| Efrael | Visual studio \o/ | 15:30 |
| Mikho | for ubuntu.. | 15:31 |
| pulsar | anjuta | 15:31 |
| Mikho | anjuta you say | 15:31 |
| pulsar | yep. its in the repository. | 15:31 |
| cosmo | eclipse+cdt seems to work quite well also | 15:31 |
| pulsar | lacks plenty of features i am used to but it does the job quite well | 15:31 |
| Efrael | These QT things have something. Maybe KDevelop. | 15:31 |
| pulsar | cosmo: @see above, he already gave it a try :) | 15:32 |
| Mikho | I just can't find out where to insert the `` commands in build settings in eclipse | 15:32 |
| pulsar | if you are looking for a stressless make replacement take a look at scons too | 15:32 |
| Mikho | moreover, eclipse+cdt is sloooow | 15:32 |
| cosmo | eclipse has automatic makefile generation, you don't need to do it by hand anymore | 15:33 |
| Mikho | it still doesn't find the libraries automatically | 15:33 |
| cosmo | you just enter the libs in build settings | 15:33 |
| Mikho | looks like I'd have to type pkg-config in shell, look what libraries are used and then input the libraries manually one by one in the build settings | 15:34 |
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| Mikho | I could give anjuta and the others a try as well | 15:37 |
| Mikho | I hope they have automatic makefile management... | 15:39 |
| pulsar | anjuta does | 15:39 |
| Mikho | great | 15:39 |
| pulsar | uses automake afair | 15:39 |
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| Efrael | A couple of years ago when I tried Anjuta in Ubuntu it kept segfaulting when I tried to create a certain type of project. | 15:41 |
| pulsar | hehe... common problem of many open source programs and linux. | 15:42 |
| pulsar | seems to work fine using ubuntu 7 at least right now. | 15:42 |
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| Efrael | When I fiddled with Qt it had some rather cool tool for C++, but can't remember the name. It might have been a little Qt specific, though. | 15:46 |
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| Mikho | the installation threw an error but it seems to be installed allright | 15:52 |
| Mikho | how can I make sure it's not broken or sth | 15:52 |
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| Mikho | ok, so how do I make anjuta to auto-manage my makefile | 16:27 |
| Mikho | atm I can't build because I don't have a makefile | 16:27 |
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| Mikho | ok, it was a mistake to try to import the project directly from eclipse | 16:57 |
| Efrael | Hey, that's actually exactly what I was trying to do when it kept segfaulting | 16:59 |
| Mikho | it disabled almost all automatic functionality | 17:01 |
| Mikho | but now I can't find out how to define which libraries and includes are needed | 17:01 |
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| Mikho | wow, it actually generated a nice ./configure:ation script! I thought it was just a hello world program | 17:06 |
| Mikho | it also processes the script for 14 seconds while looking cool | 17:07 |
| Efrael | Doesn't it use configure.ac and Makefile.am with autoconf and automake? | 17:07 |
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| Mikho | there are lot of files but no configure.ac | 17:10 |
| Mikho | there is a Makefile.am though | 17:10 |
| Efrael | What about configure.in? | 17:13 |
| Mikho | in this case it's not as simle as to just right click on the project name and type in the libraries and headers | 17:13 |
| Mikho | now where and what should I write to make the builder find <hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h> | 17:14 |
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| Mikho | oh, there is a configure.in file, and it seems to update it according to what I write on the right-button-configuration-dialog | 17:15 |
| Efrael | configure.in is the old name for configure.ac | 17:16 |
| Efrael | I don't know about anjuta but at least modifying configure.in and Makefile.am is useful when trying to include necessary libraries in your build. | 17:18 |
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| Mikho | configure.in seems to be in some mystical alien language | 17:21 |
| Mikho | in the tutorial http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/documentations/subpage/documents/C/anjuta-manual/anjuta-manual.html in figure 6.1 there seems to be a nice project properties dialog, but there's no such thing in my anjuta | 17:22 |
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| Efrael | Yeah, it's a whole another world. I found the automake manual quite helpful while autoconf manual was too overwhelming. In automake manual both configure.in and Makefile.am are covered. | 17:23 |
| Mikho | so, I'm supposed to enter straight automake/autoconf syntax in the "Configure Project" dialog? | 17:24 |
| Efrael | Probably not =) But that's all I know. | 17:25 |
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| Efrael | Autotools are useful stuff to learn anyways, though. | 17:25 |
| harleypig | Can I install bash without losing a whole bunch of necessary packages? | 17:26 |
| Mikho | oh... it seems the anjuta in ubuntu distribution wasn't anjuta2 | 17:31 |
| Mikho | but just some old 1.2.4a-5build1 | 17:32 |
| Mikho | *sigh* | 17:34 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 17:55 |
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| b0unc3 | there is any way to get java run on n800 ? | 18:28 |
| alp | b0unc3: i tried ikvm under mono some time ago, much of the test suite passes and it performs well | 18:30 |
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| b0unc3 | alp: you can run java with awt or swing ? | 18:31 |
| alp | i didn't try any UI things, the eclipse toolkit used by azureus etc. should work fine though | 18:32 |
| b0unc3 | uhm... sounds interesting... any links ? | 18:32 |
| alp | nothing that "I'm feeling lucky" on google won't give you | 18:32 |
| b0unc3 | alp: ok :-) | 18:33 |
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| zyxulnaga | is wlanconfig available for the n800 ? | 18:44 |
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| dragorn | I wouldn't expect it to be, that's a madwifi userspace tool | 18:47 |
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| * TimRiker notices that Someone(tm) is looking at his flashing-from-debian-4-with-2.6.20 bug. | 18:58 | |
| zyxulnaga | trying to generate a probe request | 18:58 |
| zyxulnaga | doesnt seem to be possible | 18:59 |
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| defor80 | if anyone's handy.. I'm trying to compule some already-existing code, and while I've gotten 99% working, compiled most of the existing cli apps, i'm having issues with the gtk part, specifically, using the normal configure/makefile, i get the error that gtk/gtk.h cannot be found. I've verified using apt-get as fakeroot that libgtk2.0-dev is installed, but i'm still hitting this wall... any thoughts? | 19:31 |
| dragorn | look at config.log and see if it can't be found or if some other error is causing it to fail the compile test with gtk.h | 19:32 |
| defor80 | looking | 19:34 |
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| defor80 | config.log doesnt even check for gtk | 19:36 |
| konttori | Hey, what is the command to ask user a question in the postinst file? | 19:36 |
| defor80 | it isn't until i run make that i hit the error | 19:36 |
| konttori | I would like to ask user a question at the end of install | 19:37 |
| konttori | and then act accordingly | 19:37 |
| jonnylamb | konttori: Using debconf? | 19:37 |
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| konttori | Ahh.. this should do the trick: maemo-confirm-text [title] file | 19:39 |
| zuh | That's _very_ annoying if one is installing something over ssh ("hmmm... why does it take so long to install this..?") | 19:42 |
| jonnylamb | Debian policy insists that package installation *must-not* be interactive. | 19:43 |
| part | konttori: what do you want to ask from the user? | 19:44 |
| konttori | If he wants to delete previous cached images | 19:45 |
| konttori | From previous install | 19:45 |
| konttori | But hey, even nokia apps ask user to accept license agreement | 19:45 |
| part | konttori: and that's annoying too | 19:45 |
| konttori | But it makes sense. | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | jonnylamb: are you sure about that? because some packages (like libc6) are very interactive on upgrades, and don't use debconf | 19:47 |
| konttori | Hey, how do I get the exit value of that command call (maemo-confirm-text)? | 19:48 |
| part | mgedmin: libc is a pretty special case, as it's necessary for just about everything else to actually function | 19:48 |
| konttori | Sorry for asking such a silly question, but you guys probably know it immediately. | 19:49 |
| melmoth | if it s in a shell $? i think | 19:50 |
| melmoth | if the maemo shell works as bash that is :) | 19:50 |
| jonnylamb | mgedmin: Sorry, I'm an idiot- I meant *building* the package must be non-interactive. | 19:50 |
| melmoth | konttori, yop, 'echo $?' works as with a regular bash | 19:51 |
| konttori | thanks | 19:51 |
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| harleypig | Is there a way I can get rid of all language packages but my own? | 19:56 |
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| harleypig | Or is there a better irc channel to ask these types of questions? | 19:57 |
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| dragorn | if you back up your device first you can try just removing them | 19:57 |
| harleypig | Yeah, but that won't help when upgrading. | 19:58 |
| harleypig | In gentoo there is an options to set which languages you wish to install for. I was wondering/hoping that there was something similar for debian. | 19:58 |
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| dragorn | well, no, you'd have to do it again every time | 19:58 |
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| harleypig | Is aptitude available in a repository somewhere? | 20:10 |
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| defor80 | ok.. another random question.. is there a proper way to mount a mmc as /home, so as to not run the internal flash out of space? | 20:17 |
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| harleypig | Hmmm ... I don't remember how to fix a BADSIG error on an apt-get update ... anyone got a quick pointer for me to fix that? | 20:21 |
| dragorn | defor80: I think theres a howto on the maemo site for extending root onto a card, don't have the url handy, I think it was either in the wiki or in the developer portion | 20:21 |
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| harleypig | ARGHH ... how can I keep a ssh session from timing out on my n800? | 20:29 |
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| TimRiker | harleypig: I keep ssh sessions open for quite some time using the dropbear packages. I've not noticed them timing out. | 20:32 |
| harleypig | I'm not using the dropbear package ... I couldn't find them for the repositories I have. | 20:34 |
| harleypig | OTOH, I'm only using repositories for IT2007 ... can I safely use IT2006 repositories? | 20:35 |
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| jonnylamb | How come ~ is copied in the rss feed reader's cache?! | 20:45 |
| jonnylamb | s/cache/image cache/ | 20:45 |
| infobot | jonnylamb meant: How come ~ is copied in the rss feed reader's image cache?! | 20:45 |
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| jonnylamb | Hmm, indeed infobot. | 20:46 |
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| pupnik | servus | 21:01 |
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| pupnik | CNN had a 'who won the GOP debate' comments section and they DELETED it | 21:25 |
| pupnik | because Ron Paul support was dominating the comments | 21:26 |
| pupnik | now they redirect the page to another page | 21:26 |
| pupnik | see for yourself | 21:26 |
| pupnik | http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/05/who-won-the-debate/ | 21:26 |
| derf | Yeah, everyone online has Ron Paul winning. | 21:27 |
| derf | Too bad that's not where the election will be conducted. | 21:27 |
| pupnik | I apologize for the offtopic but that makes me grrrrRRRRRR! | 21:28 |
| pupnik | nice to see someone here knows what i'm talking about :) hi derf | 21:28 |
| derf | The distribution of people online (who comment on political articles) is not indicative of the distribution of the voting population of the country. | 21:29 |
| derf | Also, the election is over a year away. | 21:29 |
| pupnik | correct | 21:29 |
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| pupnik | this RP campaign has totally derailed my maemo work :/ | 21:30 |
| pupnik | i'll stop talking about it here. anybody interested can check out ##ronpaul on freenode, efnet or undernet | 21:30 |
| Efrael | GOP sounds no un-OSS ;) | 21:34 |
| Efrael | I mean *so* un-OSS | 21:34 |
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| pupnik | is there a way to increase TX power on the 770 wifi chip? | 21:51 |
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| zyxulnag1 | pupnik: I think in the connectivity manager advanced options | 22:02 |
| zyxulnag1 | in the n800 you can | 22:02 |
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| zyxulnag1 | you could max is 100mw | 22:04 |
| pupnik | ty | 22:04 |
| pupnik | that's what i thought | 22:05 |
| zyxulnag1 | np | 22:05 |
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| toresbe | pjustice: :) | 22:40 |
| pjustice | toresbe, | 22:40 |
| toresbe | bye! | 22:40 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 23:58 |
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