IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-06-05

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livingtm_tigert, ahh yeah that worked much better outside :-)00:01
livingtm_now why was I able to even RUN svn from wtihin scratchbox?00:01
tigertguardian: thanks00:01
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tigertlivingtm_: it has svn00:01
livingtm_okay, so it wasnt running the SVN off of my host00:02
tigertbut outside you have all your usual tools anyway00:02
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livingtm_so it is a sandbox... cant get out from within?00:02
guardianwell what's the difference ?00:03
guardianrunning svn from outside scratchbox or from inside00:03
livingtm_im just saying... conceptually... its a sandbox, right?00:03
guardianprovided the files are checked out in /scratchbox/users/livngtm/home/livingtm/some_svn_project00:03
guardianwell it's just that i don't think it comes with svn inside scratchbox00:03
guardianbut you must have wget, and apt-get works00:03
guardianso technically you can get out00:04
tigertthere is svn binary inside00:04
guardianah i did not know that00:04
livingtm_guardian, well, svn ran... so eithe rits running svn off my host uuntu installation, or scratchbox comes with svn00:04
guardiannever used it from the inside i guess00:04
tigert[sbox-BORA_PC: ~] > which svn00:04
tigertbut it might be old etc00:04
livingtm_ok cool.00:04
tigertsvn, version 1.1.4 (r13838)00:04
guardianand i'm not on a computer that has scratchbox installed :)00:04
tigertvs svn, version 1.3.2 (r19776)00:05
tigerton my ubuntu00:05
tigertjust do everything you can outside00:05
tigertand test things inside00:05
tigertyou have your editors and coding environment outside anyway00:05
guardianand if you like emacs or vim, you may like thain's excellent encode tool00:06
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guardiani personally find it very handy00:06
livingtm_what editors/ide's work well for you?00:07
* tigert doesnt code00:07
tigertinkscape and gimp work for me :)00:07
guardianlivingtm_: just mentioned it, encode00:07
guardiani once tried laika eclipse plugin00:07
livingtm_ah ok00:08
guardianbut did not like it much, and at the time there was a bug that messed up other projects in the workspace, the projects that were not maemo related00:08
guardianmaybe it's cool for debugging though, never tried00:08
livingtm_i was playing with eclipse and kdevelop, but i havent used either very intensely00:08
guardiani should learn more gdb voodoo from vi00:08
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livingtm_Okay, so the next step... I just build maemopad and created a .deb.  So if i understand this correct, i just built it for the PC target, and its no good for the n77000:13
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guardianswitch to the armel target00:14
guardianbuild the package00:14
guardianworks for the 77000:14
livingtm_so we're not emulating the 77000:15
livingtm_we just have a nice little environment to test in00:15
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tigertit emulates the cpu with qemu00:19
guardiani guess you configured your armel target with qemu00:19
guardianso it emulates00:19
tigertbut stuff like bluetooth etc do not work00:19
guardiansince it runs the hildon application framework00:19
tigertlike you would expect in an emulator00:20
tigertas far as I know00:20
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guardiannever tried bluetooth on the tablet00:20
livingtm_the tutorial give two options for cross compiling.. qemu and using "a real armel device".. whic hdo you guys recommend00:20
guardianbut coding bluetooth stuff for windows mobile was painful00:20
guardianthe two available bluetooth stacks are buggy beats00:21
livingtm_guardian, i can imagine. just the little bit Ive fooled with blues to get my earpiece working in linux was time consuming00:21
guardiani just use qemu, and debug in the i386 target if needed00:22
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guardianlast time i tried to setup cpu transparency with sbrsh it was a complete failure and waste of time :)00:22
livingtm_can i compile right on the 770? :-)00:22
guardianbut never tried with bora nor gregale00:22
guardianit was at the sbox 0.9.8 time00:22
* tigert wrestles with sardine00:22
tigertlooks like a lot of things are missing (theme selector)00:23
tigertdarn. need to talk to mdk at work tomorrow00:23
guardianlivingtm_: you mean running the toolchain from the 770 ? there is no point doing it00:23
livingtm_okay. ill stick with the tutorials then :-)00:23
guardiancompiling takes time and resources, that's what cross compiling is for00:23
guardianthere is no point deploying a toolchain on any embedded devce00:24
livingtm_figured it might be as easy as copying th esource over and running make :-)00:24
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livingtm_hmm, setting up the SDK_ARMEL target.. I dont have any options in the "CPU Transparency" question00:29
guardianyou should install the packages i guess00:30
livingtm_which packages? I dont see any package with "qemu-arm" in it00:30
guardianthere are additional packages for toolchains and transparency00:30
livingtm_guardian, the only one that jumps out at me is "scratchbox-devkit-cputransp" which has already been installed00:33
guardiani'm sorry i don't have my linux box at hand :/00:33
guardianmaybe you gonna find more info here:
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livingtm_guardian, hmm, I've installed every package they mention in that INSTALL.txt. Still no CPU Transparency options00:43
guardiancant tell you more right now sorry00:43
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livingtmIn this tutorial under "building for ARMEL" step 5, im not getting the same options that are shown in the tutorial02:11
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* rwhitby sends a message to the guy at listed in /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/, asking for Adelaide to be added to the city database, as there are currently no cities listed in the GMT+9:30 timezone.05:09
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* rwhitby finally works out how to add a new timezone to both the city database and also the gettext compiled catalog file :-)05:29
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Markov_n800is the VPN client for maemo maintained at all?07:30
`0660i can check it for you if you give the url to the website of that project07:31
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Markov_n800ummm okay07:34
`0660the last release happened about two months ago07:40
`0660and nothing has been modified after that07:40
`0660so i guess it's supposed to work good enough07:40
Markov_n800hmmm maybe ill try it again07:41
Markov_n800i didnt have much luck last time07:41
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`0660it might not have been tested to work with n80007:42
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jga23can anybody help me out with maemo on ubuntu? the only app that came on the emulator was maemopad08:39
jga23I've see screen shots of people with xterminal08:39
EfraelYou mean you installed other stuff too but they don't work?08:41
jga23I followed the tutorial and when I loaded it up for the first time all it had was maemopad08:41
jga23do I need to install xterm manually?08:41
jga23oh, ok08:43 do I do that?08:43
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EfraelI have never actually had a need for an xterm in maemo. There are probably some good information somewhere in the site or with google maybe. Or perhaps someone else here knows..08:45
EfraelI mean in the emulator08:45
jga23so how would I run a test app on the emulator?08:46
EfraelFrom scratchbox command line08:46
EfraelOr you make a debian package of your test app and install it08:46
jga23install from command line as well?08:47
jga23so how do I copy a file from my home directory on to the emulator?08:48
EfraelEasiest way is to copy it to the /tmp08:48
jga23sweet, thanks08:49
EfraelThat's shared by both environments08:49
jga23do you know if its possible to get mono running on the emulator?08:50
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EfraelI don't know08:55
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konttoriI was just about to ask if anybody remembered what was the url for the open GPS data site until I remembered that google exists. KVG (lol). openstreetmap is still in its infancy.
konttoriConsidering that at least in finland the map data copyright expires in 15 years, it's a wonder no-one has scanned some 16 year old map, mapped streets from it and published it to the site.10:05
konttoriI would assume that similar law on data derived works exists in other countries as well.10:11
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derfIn the US it's 70 years, and likely to grow.10:12
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konttoriIs it 70 years for database derived works as well?10:13
derfAFAIK they're treated no differently.10:13
konttoriWe have 50 years (I think) for artistic derived works and 15 for database derived works.10:14
shackanoh, no google gears for opera ;/10:15
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DuomioHas anyone managed to connect their n800 to wlan using PEAP?10:26
Mikholivingtm, did you select the cputransp devkit in sb-menu? I recon it wasn't selected in the tutorial, but when I selected it, I got some choices in the next cputransp-related menu10:31
livingtmMikho yeah i the tut wasnt clear that you had to select more than one devkit10:32
livingtmonce i did that i was able to select the cpu trans options and compile for armel10:32
livingtmnow im loosing sleep trying to program :-)10:32
Mikhook. Just be careful not to select debian-sarge10:38
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shackanDuomio, I'm connected to my university's PEAP network right now11:16
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mk8Hi to all ....11:20
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DuomioShackan, we have strong encryption here, I've installed the root certificate etc. but every time I connect I get "network connection failed" w/out any further advice11:39
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DuomioShackan, I got my Vista and OsX working fine but I just can't get this logged in11:39
DuomioI should get mschapv2 authentication working somehow11:39
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Mikhowhat on earth! My ubuntu went completely crazy, started deleting every file I pointed at in file browser11:55
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Mikholuckily they went only to .trash12:02
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shackandaaaamn! 'unable to update repository', even with just the nokia one, and plenty of free space12:07
Tonisomeone wanted to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver a while ago? I have one for sale now12:12
Tonilocated in Helsinki12:12
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cosmoanyone got full navigation kit for 770 for sale?12:13
cosmo200¤ is way too much for it12:14
konttoriIs maemo mapper not good enough for you? (just curious)12:19
konttoriI haven't tested it much, let alone compared it to a proper navigation software12:19
cosmoi'd like to use it for real car navigation12:19
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pupnikdropped my 770 onto concrete floor last night12:23
pupnikno problems :)12:23
pupniko/  Nokia12:23
cosmokonttori: mapper needs to predownload maps, and has no any kind of route planning :(12:23
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cosmobut for 200¤ i can buy a full navigator, so i don't want to pay that for bt gps + software12:24
konttoriReally. Now, that is deep. It hought it could do it somehow.12:25
cosmotoo bad the sw is not available at piratebay ;)12:25
Gathajathis gobject stuff makes my head hurt. How can I get ConIcStatistcsEvents parent? So that I could use con_ic_event_get_iap_id which needs ConIcEvent pointer12:37
nomisGathaja: probably CON_IC_EVENT (statistics_event)12:39
nomisif the ConIcStatisticsEvent is derived from ConIcEvent.12:40
Gathajacompiler didn't complain anything, eeexellent12:40
Gathajanomis: thanks!12:40
nomisyou're welcome.12:40
inztype = g_type_register_static (G_TYPE_OBJECT, "ConIcStatisticsEvent", &info, 0);12:41
nomisthese CON_IC_EVENT things are type-checking casts, so they provide some run-time typesafety (unless you disable them)12:41
inzi.e. statistics event is not a ConIcEvent12:42
inzAnd CON_IC_EVENT(statistics_event) will cause run time b0rkedness12:43
nomisok, but then it does not make sense at all to use con_ic_event_get_iap_id() on it.12:43
inznomis, imo it would make perfect sense12:44
inznomis, but I guess the maintainer of libconic disagrees12:44
nomisinz: without looking at the sources: If ConIcStatisticsEvent is not derived from ConIcEvent and con_ic_event_get_iap_id() expects a ConIcEvent, then it does not make sense. At least not from a glib/gobject view  :)12:45
inz        con_ic_event_set_iap_id(CON_IC_EVENT(event), connection->iap_id);12:45
inz        con_ic_event_set_bearer_type(CON_IC_EVENT(event), connection->bearer);12:45
inzThis is where the fun begins!12:45
inzstruct _ConIcStatisticsEvent12:46
inz{ ConIcEvent parent_instance;12:46
nomisinz: I'll avoid looking at that code  :)12:46
inzAnyone wants to file a bug?12:46
inzCON_IC_EVENT(statistics_event) doesn't work with run time type checks12:47
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inzBut without them should work just fine12:47
nomisthen con_ic_event_set_iap_id ((ConIcEvent *) statistics_event, ...)  probably would work, although there seems to be a maintainer who needs to learn how to use gobject.12:48
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inznomis, yeah, without gobject "safe cast" it works just fine12:50
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DuomioDoes anyone know how to get MSCHAPV2 working with N800?13:01
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nkvermaHi all13:38
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nkvermadoes anyone use hildon c++ bindings?13:39
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GathajaI am but I'm still trying to learn this stuff :)13:43
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Gathajacon_ic_event_get_iap_id( (ConIcEvent*)stat_event) return null :/13:45
nkvermawell I am trying to open another window from an existing window13:46
nkvermabut it does not show it13:46
nkvermaI can open both window independently but not together13:46
Gathajaoh, I don't have any experience on that13:47
Mikhohow can I use hildon c++ bindings?13:49
nkvermaIt should show the window, if we say window.show_all(), but don't understand what else is needed13:49
nkvermaWell u need to have hildon-libsmm and hildon-fmmm packages13:49
nkvermaincluding gtkmm package13:50
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GathajaC stuff was so ugly that I had to get it :)13:51
nkvermaI have just started learning it, but it seems we can make more clean code with c++13:51
inznkverma, do you have some kind of transiency between the windows?13:53
nkvermaonce we resolve these small issues ;)13:53
Gathajaif only this connection stuff had also c++ bindings13:53
Mikhojust reading the c part of the tutorial and I'm feeling disgusted13:53
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cosmoi think people often make own c++ ui classes that use gtk+ code13:54
inznkverma, do you have any code you could put into pastebin?13:55
nkvermainz: in the menu item click I am just creating an object of another window class13:55
nkvermainz: yes sure13:55
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nkvermainz :
nkvermainz: please check the link14:06
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nkvermainz : Both the window classes are exteded with Hildon::Window14:07
inznkverma, doesn't the settings window get destroyed when menuSettingsHandler is left?14:11
inznkverma, I'd go for making SettingsWindow a GtkDialog and then calling the run method from menuSettingsHandler14:12
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inznkverma, then you don't need the call to add_window(), but instead you should make the dialog transient to the "first window"14:13
Mikhocan I use c++ on 770?14:13
nkvermalet me try14:14
inzMikho, there are gtk and hildon bindings for c++14:14
nkvermainz, thanks14:14
MikhoI'm trying to locate the repository where I could download the required libraries14:15
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inznkverma, you can use HildonWindow too, but then you need to a) define it in a wider scope and only show on demand, b) create it dynamically, or c) create a gmainloop in the function and run it until the settingswindow is handled14:15
nkvermainz: yes I tried option c, but i did not find it good14:16
Mikhoapt-get install hildon-fmmm-dev hildon-libsmm-dev just says cannot find at the moment14:16
Mikho and this page tells that I cant use maemomm on maemo versions older than 3.014:17
nkvermabecause in option c it show two window as seperate application14:17
nkvermaoffcourse I can hide the first one14:17
nkvermabut sill14:17
nkvermaI think b would be better14:18
nkvermainz: I will try your previous option also14:18
inzMikho, 2.1 and 2.2 (scirocco and gregale) don't have the packages, but I'm guessing the 2.0 ones are compatible14:19
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inznkverma, I'd go for the GtkDialog inheriting14:19
nkvermainz:Yes I think this is better14:21
nkvermain the b option also its not require to add the window in program14:23
nkvermaas I test14:23
nkvermai mean using add_window()14:23
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Mikhoshould I use libhildon or hildon and -dev or not?14:25
nkvermahildon-libsmm & hildon-fmmm14:26
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Mikhoso how can I find hildon-libsmm?14:28
nkvermaadd-->deb-src bora free14:31
nkvermaand-->deb bora free14:31
Mikhobut it's not bora14:31
nkvermain ur apt source list14:31
inzthat's mistral for 77014:31
nkvermayou need for n77014:32
inzAnd hildon-widgetsmm14:32
Mikhoadded those lines but apt-get still can't find them14:33
inzMikho, the packages are hildon-fmmm-dev and hildon-widgetsmm-dev14:34
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Mikholooks like I need gtkmm2.4 too14:36
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Mikhothere's a plethora of dependencies... do I need to manually install them all?14:43
inzdoesn't apt-get do it for you?14:44
nkvermadoes it comes during configure?14:45
Mikhowell, apt-get doesn't seem to abe able to find anything14:45
MikhoI have deb mistral free non-free in sources.list, but it doesn't seem to find the packages anyway14:46
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Mikhook, I was supposed to enter the whole library name along with version information, without the help of tab autocompletion14:57
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||cwthinkt he next maemo device will be a phone?16:01
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gla55i wouldnt think so yet16:02
gla55i just don't see moving so fast towards that at nokia16:02
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inz*gah*, supporting both hildon-1 and hildon-lgpl is quite painful...16:14
inzNot too painful, but still quite ;)16:14
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Gathajawhy would con_ic_event_get_id( (ConIcEvent*)status_event) return null?16:26
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inzGathaja, if the libconic hasn't received a "connected" event, it doesn't know the id16:40
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inzGathaja, I'm guessing the replies to the messages come in reversed order for some reason16:41
inz(I'm only guessing here though)16:43
Gathajayep, you were right :)16:43
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guardianout of curiosity, are there specific SDL improvements for the tablet ?17:02
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nelsonAnybody know how flexible is the power supply in the N800?  Can it accept 6V input?17:15
k-s[WORK]guardian: no17:17
Mikhonow I can't find hildon-libsmm anywhere17:18
k-s[WORK]guardian: do you need something special?17:18
inzMikho, it's hildon-widgetsmm for 2.017:18
guardiani don't think so :)17:18
guardiangonna try coding graphics stuff17:18
guardianpet project17:18
guardiani was hesitating between using straight GdkImage in the proper pixel format or use SDL17:19
guardianSDL is surely a wise choice so that it's portable17:19
Mikhook, then I'll need to change the code in the example programs17:20
k-s[WORK]guardian: sdl is faster and easier17:20
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k-s[WORK]guardian: you'll find that if your not a "G" zealot17:20
k-s[WORK]b0unc3: hi17:20
k-s[WORK]guardian: what's your prj?17:20
guardian"G" zealot ?17:20
guardian3D software renderer and/or raytracing17:21
inzguardian, G{nome,tk+,lib}17:21
k-s[WORK]guardian: ok, output engine will not need to do much17:23
zuhSDL would be sad if it *wasn't* better in graphics than a generic UI toolkit, after all, it should be designed for it17:23
k-s[WORK]guardian: be sure to use SDL in 16bpp17:23
k-s[WORK]zuh: Gdk is also meant for it17:24
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guardianany cool sdl project i could look at on garage ?17:24
k-s[WORK]zuh: or do you think that GIMP created GTK to be Gnome's UI system?17:24
guardiansomething coming to mind ?17:24
k-s[WORK]guardian: canola :-)17:24
k-s[WORK]guardian: unfortunately it's close source so far :-(17:25
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k-s[WORK]guardian: games that came with maemo are also SDL17:25
k-s[WORK] provides some hints17:25
k-s[WORK]i've sdl code spread all over the repository17:26
guardianok gonna have a look17:26
guardiancan the tablet browse samba shares ?17:27
inzguardian, it's on the roadmap, so make it "not yet"17:28
zuhk-s[WORK]: I think Gdk hasn't really concentrated in graphics for a long time... The drawing API isn't really "serious".17:28
k-s[WORK]zuh: no, Gimp guys still hack on GTK and it's really focused on graphics17:28
k-s[WORK]it IS really serious17:28
k-s[WORK]but no easy of use17:29
k-s[WORK]in order to get things right you must know many of X intrinsics17:29
k-s[WORK]SDL, on other hand exposes it simple to you as a pixel framebuffer17:29
k-s[WORK]they have their pro and cons17:29
sethstormfor usb host support on the 770, does one have to supply power in the cable that immediately leads to a hub, or can the usb hub do the power requirement (which does take care of the devices, but nothing I've seen will pick up w/ usb host enabled)17:33
zuhsethstorm: The 770 won't notice the hub unless you supply the power17:33
sethstormzuh: so I have to supply power in between the 770 and the hub?17:34
sethstormand this is even if the hub itself is powered? (which I'm presuming what you'd say next)17:34
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zuhk-s[WORK]: If you look at gdk_draw_*, all you see is "draw this primitive", while a "serious" graphics API has notions of blending and other more advanced stuff. And yes, it's tighlty coupled with the X(lib) drawing API, which is pretty limited in terms of readily-available features. Fortunatlely we have now Cairo to fix this...17:39
dragornspeaking of which, are there finally cairo packages in maemo?17:42
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k-s[WORK]dragorn: etrunko did some packages for cairo17:43
k-s[WORK]etrunko: right?17:43
Mikhonow I'm getting all kinds of errors: 'Hildon' has not been initialized and so forth. I don't know what files to #include, and can't find the definition of namespace Hildon or window.h anywhere17:43
zuhYeah, for evince. And IIRC they are available from extras..?17:43
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Mikhoinz, are you sure hildon-widgetsmm is the same as hildon-libsmm?17:44
dragornMikho: theres a hildon howto on the garage under 'development' for generic stuff17:44
dragornas far as using gdk primitives, unless you need alpha blending and AA, it's not particularly hard.  Cario generates much nicer output for less coder time, but more render time during execution17:45
nkvermai think you need to add <hildon-widgetsmm/window.h>17:45
nkvermadid you try with this17:45
etrunkok-s[WORK]: they're in extras repository17:45
dragornhm, guess that isn't in my list.  I'll check it out, I was actually looking last night17:46
etrunkodragorn: yes, the cairo packages are there for a while17:46
Mikhothere's no window.h under hildon-widgetsmm17:46
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dragornetrunko: happen to have the repo url handy?  maemos search appears to suck, and google doesn't appear to be finding the cairo packages17:48
nkvermawell I have hildon-libsmm/hildon-libsmm/window.h17:48
nkvermamay it is at different path in widgetsmm17:48
etrunkodragorn: deb bora free non-free17:48
dragornhm.  useless search engines. :P17:49
etrunkoand for gregale also deb gregale free non-free17:49
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nkvermaas per the examples in hildon-widgetsmm repository window.h should be at <hildon-widgetsmm/window.h>17:55
nkvermamay be ur pkg-config path is not set17:56
Mikhoit seems there's no window.h on my hard drive17:57
Mikhoat least locate didn't find it17:57
nkvermathat strange17:57
MikhoI wonder if I'm missing some packages again17:58
nkvermait seems17:58
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nkvermawhat if you try pkg-config hildon-widgetsmm  --cflags17:59
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Mikhothere's again the complex network of dependencies, conflicts and versions18:04
Mikhoseems I haven't installed all the -dev packages18:05
Mikhobut now I need libglibmm (>=2.6.1)18:05
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Mikholooks like it's impossible to install hildon-fmmm-dev and hildon-widgetsmm-dev due to a loop of dependencies and conflicts18:18
guardianis canola open source ?18:20
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k-s[WORK]guardian: no :-(18:24
k-s[WORK]guardian: it will be... one day (we're trying to convince boss)18:25
guardianoh you're working on it ?18:26
k-s[WORK]guardian: yes18:27
guardiandoes it use clutter ?18:27
Mikhoso is there aynone who's got c++ hildon to work on maemo 2.2?18:27
k-s[WORK]guardian: actually it's on hold, we're working on next version18:27
k-s[WORK]guardian: no... no clutter, no hw accel on device18:27
k-s[WORK]guardian: we're moving to evas and enlightenment foundation libraries for next version18:28
k-s[WORK]guardian: for softwares like canola, it's the way to go18:28
guardianso droping sdl and some custom code ?18:28
k-s[WORK]guardian: yes... there's not much custom code there18:28
k-s[WORK]plain sdl do18:28
k-s[WORK]evas can be coupled with Edje, a powerful theme system18:29
k-s[WORK]and can embed a widget set that fits... like etk18:29
k-s[WORK]imagine being able to be able to insert a beautiful/themed GTK form inside your app when you need, doing alpha blend or other special effects18:30
guardianare there sample applications demonstrating this ?18:30 can i change the active scratchbox target...using sb-menu i get 'you must close the active sessions first'...if i do that i cannot run sb-menu18:32
guardianyou have have logged twice to scratchbox18:33
ian_brasil_ah,ok...i am running scratchbox in vmware maybe it is this?18:34
guardiank-s[WORK]: so you prefer evas to clutter18:34
guardianian_brasil_: don't know18:34
ian_brasil_no it is me being you said i had 2 scratchboxes going18:36
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dragornetrunko: Any obvious alternatives to gdk_cairo_set_source_pixmap since the gdk in maemo doesn't seem to be cairo-aware?18:38
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mgedminsometimes scratchbox thinks you're using it when you're not18:43
mgedminsome background processes or whatnot18:43
mgedminyou can use sb-conf killall then, IIRC18:43
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MDKhmmm, new apple laptops18:44
Mikhois it possible to use maemo 3.0 for nokia 770?18:44
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SeRi@Mikho. Yes is possible there is a hack version of OS200718:56
Mikhoso why am I still trying to use 2.2?18:58
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k-s[WORK]guardian: guardian yes, I like evas  more than clutter18:58
k-s[WORK]MDK: what about your gfx sw? is it ready?18:58
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Mikhonow I'm trying to compile hildon-libsmm-dev and hildon-fmmm-dev myself, to no avail. ./configure runs ok but make quits with an error. Looks like I'm doomed to using hildon C-bindings for all eternity19:08
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SeRi@Mikho it still a hacker vrsion is not a official release so is some what buggy19:23
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Mikhoif it's more compatible than the sword&stone v2.2, then I guess it's a good tradeoff19:34
Mikhobut I wonder if I can use the programs I write in non-hacked 770's19:34
MikhoI mean, can people with non-hacked 770's run the programs written with maemo 3?19:36
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`0660i don't think they can19:46
Mikhobut can users of hacked 770 or n800 use the programs I write with maemo 2.2?19:47
`0660at least that's how i have understood this19:50
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Mikhomaybe I'll just forget about the hildon c++ bindings19:52
SeRi@Mikho Yes is just backwards Programs writen for the N800 engine will not work in a 77019:52
Mikhoit'd be so nice if they'd officialize the new os for 77019:53
Mikhobut I guess companies like nokia don't dwell on the past19:54
SeRiYeap I am still stuck on 2.2 my self for my 770... I havent switch to the hacked version because I also own a N80019:54
gla55nokia, nor others like, publish new os versions for old devices..19:54
Mikhoearlier, when developing software for nokia 6600, I found out I couldn't use vibra because they had forgotten a file out of the sdk.19:59
MikhoAnd they couldn't fix it, no19:59
Mikhohmm, actually it was a library file inside the 6600 that was missing20:00
Mikhovibra worked alright, but no-one could develop any custom software that used it20:00
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gla55Mikho: it's only one of the many, many headers or libraries "forgotten" from certain sdk's20:01
gla55then there's on the other hand the stuff that is in that just doesn't work20:02
gla55nothing like getting a professional feeling from copying bits and pieces from various sdk's from various manufacturers to get the stuff you want compiled..20:02
gla55libdumping to get profile information out ftw20:03
Mikhomaybe the new security stuff nokia is promoting is just to make it hard for people to find out about the quality of the code they are writing20:03
gla55oh you find about the quality all right20:03
gla55it's just that some of the built in stuff wouldn't pass symbiansigneds criteria20:04
gla55..even though you can get pretyt much anything through that20:04
MikhoI sweat blood and bile trying to make my 6290 able to display asian fonts20:04
gla55security stuff is just to piss off people, really20:04
SeRiITT has become a house for clowns20:04
SeRi@gla55. Man thats going to be my new signature! LOL20:06
Mikhowell said20:07
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luck^Anybody here using sardine? Seems that sardine doesn't have the hildonized look of standard maemo sdk. Is it right?20:40
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defor^workok.. i'm not familiar with some distribution methods, but let's say I just compiled some libraries that were needed as dependencies for somehting else... how would I go about packaging them up for distro on the n800...20:44
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defor^workor dont bother, and instead copy them over manually20:45
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tkoluck^: huh? sardine uses a different theme, plankton20:49
tko(it's going to replace the original 770 look)20:49
pulsar__damn it! for some reason my scratchbox cannot resolve hosts using apt (again). The nsswitch.conf files were already modified and fixed the problem once. anyone an idea what might cause this problem again?20:50
tkopulsar__: /etc/resolv.conf ?20:51
pulsar__its perfectly ok.20:51
pulsar__loops back to where i have dnsmasq up and running.20:51
pulsar__tried also the "real" ns over here, did not help.20:51
pulsar__ah, gotcha!20:54
luck^tko, hmmmm... but there is any way to test hildon application with a hildonized look? :)20:54
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pulsar__tko: thanks for the hint, the /etc/resolv.conf was ok (beeing logged into the scratchbox), but it isnt used. /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf was borked.20:55
luck^tko, here it runs with the same look when I don't use run-standalone20:55
tkoluck^: umm, run it?20:56
luck^tko, its my first attempt with sardine20:56
tkoluck^: hmm.. check ~/.osso/current-gtk-theme* -- they should point to 'plankton' or 'default' (where /usr/share/themes/default then points to plankton)20:56
tkoI recall MDK saying sardine currently doesn't set up the theme all the way20:57
tkoluck^: please send any comments you might have to sardine-developers20:57
luck^ok tko. thanks!20:58
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konttoriIs there a command I can use to set the background image in N800?21:33
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fish_whats the google satelite url atm?21:45
fish_(for maemo mapper)21:45
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Piofish_, second post in the thread21:52
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harleypigIs there a ssh server for IT2007?  I've found the tutorials for openssh and dropbear for IT200[56] ...21:55
fish_Pio: thx21:56
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Piofish_, np, i had the page open from earlier today by coincidence21:56
Pioim loading up on maps for a mt. whitney backpacking trip tomorrow :)21:58
k-wayharleypig yes22:00
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harleypigk-way: Can you point me to a tutorial or a repository?22:00
k-wayI am searching for a ready make usb cable to connect my n800 as host into a hub22:01
k-wayharleypig , yes search the download in is(you need red pil mode)22:02
k-wayharleypig: are you already root on your system?22:02
k-waybugger sorry22:02
harleypigNot yet.22:02
harleypigwow ... that's a long link22:02
k-waythis is the link for openssh
harleypigthis is openssh, not dropbear?22:03
k-waybut please remeber to change your password since the default root password is well known22:03
k-wayopenssh is openssh22:03
k-waythis might be a good place to start
harleypigheh ... yeah, isn't the root passwd rootme?22:04
k-waywould this adapter work ?
harleypigk-way: For the repository, should I put mistral as the page states or update it to bora for my n800?22:06
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k-waybora +- it2007 +- n800 -+ 3.0 or 3.122:12
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defor80ok.. i'm having curious issues... i selecter armel, restarted scratchbox, did a ./configure on the cli app i'm trying to get running, did make clean, then make22:14
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defor80the app compiled flawlessly, but when run on the n800 i'm gettingL: Nokia-N800-10:~/hx$ bin/hx22:14
defor80bin/hx: bin/hx: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected22:14
k-waytry file hx22:15
k-wayisn't hx a progam to send data over serial?22:16
defor80clommand-line hotline client22:16
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defor80i successfully compiled it with 286 selected22:16
defor80switched the target and scratchbox compiled, but would not run on the pc, so i decided to try it on the n800 directly22:17
k-waycan you perform a file hx on your sbox?22:17
defor80one sec22:17
defor80rebooting vmware22:18
defor80what's the funny part?22:18
harleypiguh ... I'm assuming 'red pill mode' is becomeroot?22:18
defor80vmware has been working wonderfully for getting this running...22:19
k-wayharleypig: no ' it's a trick to show all the packages in the package manager, by default only package with a section field are shown22:19
k-waydefor80: I once had a friend and everyting on his machine was alwaisworking , I would have liked to have had vmware back then22:20
harleypighmmm ... not finding much on "red pill" on maemo.org22:20
k-waybut I would also allow you to install ssh and then become root by ssh'ing to your machine .22:20
SeRitheres quite a few people confuse about gainroot, sudo, and red pill mode... is all different22:20
harleypigwell, I know what gainroot and sudo is ...22:21
defor80yeah it took me a whole to figure it out too...22:21
defor80i don't use root on the device much.. mainly only through ssh22:21
SeRiheheh got beeten to it :P22:22
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defor80lol dammit.. i forgot to check for a precompile of readline22:22
SeRiok off to sleep22:22
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k-wayI am also away :p22:23
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SeRi_zZZzZzzzz g/n zzzz22:23
k-waysnork snork22:25
defor80it compiled as 38622:25
defor80thanks for the tip about file22:26
defor80i'm not familiar with it22:26
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roopebergie: Have you tried
roope(just reading your blog entry)22:53
bergieroope: haven't tried actually22:53
roopei think it's actually close to what you were looking for.22:54
roopealthough of course not yet perfect.22:54
bergieyes, seems to do the trick for Finland22:55
bergiethanks for the link!22:55
guardianwhen does linux tag end ?22:55
nomisguardian: it ended last saturday.22:56
guardiani thought it was this week :)22:56
nomisguardian: nope  :)22:56
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bergiehmm... Helsinki-Nuorgam only 17h4722:59
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fish_how can i disable screen blanking? is there a dbus command or something?23:12
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mk8Hi to all ....23:13
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fish_and another question: i have a cheap car power supply with should deliver 5v for my nokia 770. but its unstabilized and i dont know how sensible the nokia 770 is when it comes to current fluctuations23:21
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JuhazI doubt it's extremely sensitive, but might not be a bad idea to not plug it until after the car is running, since starting is when the largest spikes come23:31
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fish_Juhaz: yes, i know.. well i'll try it ;)23:41
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||cwI've used mine on trips with no problems, but my van has the towing kit with bigger battery and bigger alternator and so it doens't spike as much23:47
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