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| livingtm_ | tigert, ahh yeah that worked much better outside :-) | 00:01 |
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| livingtm_ | now why was I able to even RUN svn from wtihin scratchbox? | 00:01 |
| tigert | guardian: thanks | 00:01 |
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| tigert | livingtm_: it has svn | 00:01 |
| livingtm_ | okay, so it wasnt running the SVN off of my host | 00:02 |
| guardian | np | 00:02 |
| tigert | but outside you have all your usual tools anyway | 00:02 |
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| livingtm_ | so it is a sandbox... cant get out from within? | 00:02 |
| guardian | well what's the difference ? | 00:03 |
| guardian | running svn from outside scratchbox or from inside | 00:03 |
| livingtm_ | im just saying... conceptually... its a sandbox, right? | 00:03 |
| guardian | provided the files are checked out in /scratchbox/users/livngtm/home/livingtm/some_svn_project | 00:03 |
| guardian | well it's just that i don't think it comes with svn inside scratchbox | 00:03 |
| guardian | but you must have wget, and apt-get works | 00:03 |
| guardian | so technically you can get out | 00:04 |
| tigert | there is svn binary inside | 00:04 |
| guardian | ah i did not know that | 00:04 |
| livingtm_ | guardian, well, svn ran... so eithe rits running svn off my host uuntu installation, or scratchbox comes with svn | 00:04 |
| guardian | never used it from the inside i guess | 00:04 |
| tigert | [sbox-BORA_PC: ~] > which svn | 00:04 |
| tigert | /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn | 00:04 |
| tigert | but it might be old etc | 00:04 |
| livingtm_ | ok cool. | 00:04 |
| tigert | svn, version 1.1.4 (r13838) | 00:04 |
| guardian | and i'm not on a computer that has scratchbox installed :) | 00:04 |
| tigert | vs svn, version 1.3.2 (r19776) | 00:05 |
| tigert | on my ubuntu | 00:05 |
| tigert | just do everything you can outside | 00:05 |
| tigert | and test things inside | 00:05 |
| tigert | you have your editors and coding environment outside anyway | 00:05 |
| guardian | and if you like emacs or vim, you may like thain's excellent encode tool | 00:06 |
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| guardian | encode.sourceforge.net | 00:06 |
| guardian | i personally find it very handy | 00:06 |
| tigert | nice | 00:07 |
| livingtm_ | what editors/ide's work well for you? | 00:07 |
| * tigert doesnt code | 00:07 | |
| tigert | inkscape and gimp work for me :) | 00:07 |
| guardian | livingtm_: just mentioned it, encode | 00:07 |
| guardian | i once tried laika eclipse plugin | 00:07 |
| livingtm_ | ah ok | 00:08 |
| guardian | but did not like it much, and at the time there was a bug that messed up other projects in the workspace, the projects that were not maemo related | 00:08 |
| guardian | maybe it's cool for debugging though, never tried | 00:08 |
| livingtm_ | i was playing with eclipse and kdevelop, but i havent used either very intensely | 00:08 |
| guardian | i should learn more gdb voodoo from vi | 00:08 |
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| livingtm_ | Okay, so the next step... I just build maemopad and created a .deb. So if i understand this correct, i just built it for the PC target, and its no good for the n770 | 00:13 |
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| guardian | switch to the armel target | 00:14 |
| guardian | build the package | 00:14 |
| guardian | works for the 770 | 00:14 |
| livingtm_ | cool | 00:14 |
| livingtm_ | so we're not emulating the 770 | 00:15 |
| livingtm_ | we just have a nice little environment to test in | 00:15 |
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| tigert | yeah | 00:18 |
| tigert | hmm | 00:18 |
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| guardian | well | 00:19 |
| tigert | it emulates the cpu with qemu | 00:19 |
| guardian | i guess you configured your armel target with qemu | 00:19 |
| guardian | so it emulates | 00:19 |
| tigert | but stuff like bluetooth etc do not work | 00:19 |
| guardian | since it runs the hildon application framework | 00:19 |
| tigert | like you would expect in an emulator | 00:20 |
| tigert | as far as I know | 00:20 |
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| guardian | yeah | 00:20 |
| guardian | never tried bluetooth on the tablet | 00:20 |
| livingtm_ | the tutorial give two options for cross compiling.. qemu and using "a real armel device".. whic hdo you guys recommend | 00:20 |
| guardian | but coding bluetooth stuff for windows mobile was painful | 00:20 |
| guardian | the two available bluetooth stacks are buggy beats | 00:21 |
| guardian | beasts | 00:21 |
| livingtm_ | guardian, i can imagine. just the little bit Ive fooled with blues to get my earpiece working in linux was time consuming | 00:21 |
| guardian | i just use qemu, and debug in the i386 target if needed | 00:22 |
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| guardian | last time i tried to setup cpu transparency with sbrsh it was a complete failure and waste of time :) | 00:22 |
| tigert | hmm | 00:22 |
| livingtm_ | can i compile right on the 770? :-) | 00:22 |
| guardian | but never tried with bora nor gregale | 00:22 |
| guardian | it was at the sbox 0.9.8 time | 00:22 |
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| guardian | :) | 00:23 |
| tigert | looks like a lot of things are missing (theme selector) | 00:23 |
| tigert | darn. need to talk to mdk at work tomorrow | 00:23 |
| guardian | livingtm_: you mean running the toolchain from the 770 ? there is no point doing it | 00:23 |
| livingtm_ | okay. ill stick with the tutorials then :-) | 00:23 |
| guardian | compiling takes time and resources, that's what cross compiling is for | 00:23 |
| guardian | there is no point deploying a toolchain on any embedded devce | 00:24 |
| livingtm_ | figured it might be as easy as copying th esource over and running make :-) | 00:24 |
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| livingtm_ | hmm, setting up the SDK_ARMEL target.. I dont have any options in the "CPU Transparency" question | 00:29 |
| guardian | you should install the packages i guess | 00:30 |
| livingtm_ | which packages? I dont see any package with "qemu-arm" in it | 00:30 |
| guardian | there are additional packages for toolchains and transparency | 00:30 |
| livingtm_ | guardian, the only one that jumps out at me is "scratchbox-devkit-cputransp" which has already been installed | 00:33 |
| guardian | i'm sorry i don't have my linux box at hand :/ | 00:33 |
| guardian | maybe you gonna find more info here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/INSTALL.txt | 00:34 |
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| livingtm_ | guardian, hmm, I've installed every package they mention in that INSTALL.txt. Still no CPU Transparency options | 00:43 |
| guardian | :/ | 00:43 |
| guardian | cant tell you more right now sorry | 00:43 |
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| livingtm | In this tutorial http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#settingup under "building for ARMEL" step 5, im not getting the same options that are shown in the tutorial | 02:11 |
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| * rwhitby sends a message to the guy at nokia.com listed in /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/osso-clock.mo, asking for Adelaide to be added to the city database, as there are currently no cities listed in the GMT+9:30 timezone. | 05:09 | |
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| Markov_n800 | is the VPN client for maemo maintained at all? | 07:30 |
| `0660 | i can check it for you if you give the url to the website of that project | 07:31 |
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| Markov_n800 | http://scriptkiller.de/cisco_vpnc_with_nokia_770.php | 07:34 |
| Markov_n800 | ummm okay | 07:34 |
| `0660 | the last release happened about two months ago | 07:40 |
| `0660 | and nothing has been modified after that | 07:40 |
| `0660 | so i guess it's supposed to work good enough | 07:40 |
| Markov_n800 | hmmm maybe ill try it again | 07:41 |
| Markov_n800 | i didnt have much luck last time | 07:41 |
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| `0660 | https://script.shacknet.nu:81/vpnc-gui/trunk/debian/changelog | 07:42 |
| `0660 | hmm | 07:42 |
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| `0660 | it might not have been tested to work with n800 | 07:42 |
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| jga23 | can anybody help me out with maemo on ubuntu? the only app that came on the emulator was maemopad | 08:39 |
| jga23 | I've see screen shots of people with xterminal | 08:39 |
| Efrael | You mean you installed other stuff too but they don't work? | 08:41 |
| jga23 | I followed the tutorial and when I loaded it up for the first time all it had was maemopad | 08:41 |
| jga23 | do I need to install xterm manually? | 08:41 |
| Efrael | Yep | 08:42 |
| jga23 | oh, ok | 08:43 |
| jga23 | ..how do I do that? | 08:43 |
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| Efrael | I have never actually had a need for an xterm in maemo. There are probably some good information somewhere in the site or with google maybe. Or perhaps someone else here knows.. | 08:45 |
| Efrael | I mean in the emulator | 08:45 |
| jga23 | so how would I run a test app on the emulator? | 08:46 |
| Efrael | From scratchbox command line | 08:46 |
| Efrael | Or you make a debian package of your test app and install it | 08:46 |
| jga23 | install from command line as well? | 08:47 |
| Efrael | Yep | 08:47 |
| jga23 | so how do I copy a file from my home directory on to the emulator? | 08:48 |
| Efrael | Easiest way is to copy it to the /tmp | 08:48 |
| jga23 | sweet, thanks | 08:49 |
| Efrael | That's shared by both environments | 08:49 |
| jga23 | do you know if its possible to get mono running on the emulator? | 08:50 |
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| Efrael | I don't know | 08:55 |
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| konttori | I was just about to ask if anybody remembered what was the url for the open GPS data site until I remembered that google exists. KVG (lol). openstreetmap is still in its infancy. http://www.openstreetmap.org/ | 10:02 |
| konttori | Considering that at least in finland the map data copyright expires in 15 years, it's a wonder no-one has scanned some 16 year old map, mapped streets from it and published it to the site. | 10:05 |
| konttori | I would assume that similar law on data derived works exists in other countries as well. | 10:11 |
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| derf | In the US it's 70 years, and likely to grow. | 10:12 |
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| konttori | Is it 70 years for database derived works as well? | 10:13 |
| derf | AFAIK they're treated no differently. | 10:13 |
| konttori | We have 50 years (I think) for artistic derived works and 15 for database derived works. | 10:14 |
| shackan | oh, no google gears for opera ;/ | 10:15 |
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| Duomio | Hi! | 10:25 |
| Duomio | Has anyone managed to connect their n800 to wlan using PEAP? | 10:26 |
| Mikho | livingtm, did you select the cputransp devkit in sb-menu? I recon it wasn't selected in the tutorial, but when I selected it, I got some choices in the next cputransp-related menu | 10:31 |
| livingtm | Mikho yeah i the tut wasnt clear that you had to select more than one devkit | 10:32 |
| livingtm | once i did that i was able to select the cpu trans options and compile for armel | 10:32 |
| livingtm | now im loosing sleep trying to program :-) | 10:32 |
| Mikho | ok. Just be careful not to select debian-sarge | 10:38 |
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| guardian | morning | 10:43 |
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| shackan | Duomio, I'm connected to my university's PEAP network right now | 11:16 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... | 11:20 |
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| Duomio | Shackan, we have strong encryption here, I've installed the root certificate etc. but every time I connect I get "network connection failed" w/out any further advice | 11:39 |
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| Duomio | Shackan, I got my Vista and OsX working fine but I just can't get this logged in | 11:39 |
| Duomio | I should get mschapv2 authentication working somehow | 11:39 |
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| Mikho | what on earth! My ubuntu went completely crazy, started deleting every file I pointed at in file browser | 11:55 |
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| Mikho | luckily they went only to .trash | 12:02 |
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| shackan | daaaamn! 'unable to update repository', even with just the nokia one, and plenty of free space | 12:07 |
| Toni | someone wanted to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver a while ago? I have one for sale now | 12:12 |
| Toni | located in Helsinki | 12:12 |
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| cosmo | anyone got full navigation kit for 770 for sale? | 12:13 |
| cosmo | 200¤ is way too much for it | 12:14 |
| konttori | Is maemo mapper not good enough for you? (just curious) | 12:19 |
| konttori | I haven't tested it much, let alone compared it to a proper navigation software | 12:19 |
| cosmo | i'd like to use it for real car navigation | 12:19 |
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| pupnik | dropped my 770 onto concrete floor last night | 12:23 |
| pupnik | no problems :) | 12:23 |
| pupnik | o/ Nokia | 12:23 |
| cosmo | konttori: mapper needs to predownload maps, and has no any kind of route planning :( | 12:23 |
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| cosmo | but for 200¤ i can buy a full navigator, so i don't want to pay that for bt gps + software | 12:24 |
| konttori | Really. Now, that is deep. It hought it could do it somehow. | 12:25 |
| cosmo | too bad the sw is not available at piratebay ;) | 12:25 |
| Gathaja | this gobject stuff makes my head hurt. How can I get ConIcStatistcsEvents parent? So that I could use con_ic_event_get_iap_id which needs ConIcEvent pointer | 12:37 |
| nomis | Gathaja: probably CON_IC_EVENT (statistics_event) | 12:39 |
| nomis | if the ConIcStatisticsEvent is derived from ConIcEvent. | 12:40 |
| Gathaja | compiler didn't complain anything, eeexellent | 12:40 |
| Gathaja | nomis: thanks! | 12:40 |
| nomis | you're welcome. | 12:40 |
| inz | type = g_type_register_static (G_TYPE_OBJECT, "ConIcStatisticsEvent", &info, 0); | 12:41 |
| nomis | these CON_IC_EVENT things are type-checking casts, so they provide some run-time typesafety (unless you disable them) | 12:41 |
| inz | i.e. statistics event is not a ConIcEvent | 12:42 |
| Gathaja | 0_o | 12:42 |
| Gathaja | sigh | 12:43 |
| inz | And CON_IC_EVENT(statistics_event) will cause run time b0rkedness | 12:43 |
| nomis | ok, but then it does not make sense at all to use con_ic_event_get_iap_id() on it. | 12:43 |
| Gathaja | :( | 12:43 |
| inz | nomis, imo it would make perfect sense | 12:44 |
| inz | nomis, but I guess the maintainer of libconic disagrees | 12:44 |
| nomis | inz: without looking at the sources: If ConIcStatisticsEvent is not derived from ConIcEvent and con_ic_event_get_iap_id() expects a ConIcEvent, then it does not make sense. At least not from a glib/gobject view :) | 12:45 |
| inz | con_ic_event_set_iap_id(CON_IC_EVENT(event), connection->iap_id); | 12:45 |
| inz | con_ic_event_set_bearer_type(CON_IC_EVENT(event), connection->bearer); | 12:45 |
| inz | This is where the fun begins! | 12:45 |
| inz | struct _ConIcStatisticsEvent | 12:46 |
| inz | { ConIcEvent parent_instance; | 12:46 |
| nomis | inz: I'll avoid looking at that code :) | 12:46 |
| inz | Anyone wants to file a bug? | 12:46 |
| inz | CON_IC_EVENT(statistics_event) doesn't work with run time type checks | 12:47 |
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| inz | But without them should work just fine | 12:47 |
| nomis | then con_ic_event_set_iap_id ((ConIcEvent *) statistics_event, ...) probably would work, although there seems to be a maintainer who needs to learn how to use gobject. | 12:48 |
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| Gathaja | :) | 12:49 |
| inz | nomis, yeah, without gobject "safe cast" it works just fine | 12:50 |
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| Duomio | Does anyone know how to get MSCHAPV2 working with N800? | 13:01 |
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| nkverma | Hi all | 13:38 |
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| nkverma | does anyone use hildon c++ bindings? | 13:39 |
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| Gathaja | I am but I'm still trying to learn this stuff :) | 13:43 |
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| Gathaja | con_ic_event_get_iap_id( (ConIcEvent*)stat_event) return null :/ | 13:45 |
| nkverma | well I am trying to open another window from an existing window | 13:46 |
| nkverma | but it does not show it | 13:46 |
| nkverma | I can open both window independently but not together | 13:46 |
| Gathaja | oh, I don't have any experience on that | 13:47 |
| nkverma | ok | 13:47 |
| Mikho | how can I use hildon c++ bindings? | 13:49 |
| nkverma | It should show the window, if we say window.show_all(), but don't understand what else is needed | 13:49 |
| nkverma | Well u need to have hildon-libsmm and hildon-fmmm packages | 13:49 |
| nkverma | including gtkmm package | 13:50 |
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| Gathaja | C stuff was so ugly that I had to get it :) | 13:51 |
| nkverma | I have just started learning it, but it seems we can make more clean code with c++ | 13:51 |
| inz | nkverma, do you have some kind of transiency between the windows? | 13:53 |
| nkverma | once we resolve these small issues ;) | 13:53 |
| Gathaja | if only this connection stuff had also c++ bindings | 13:53 |
| Mikho | just reading the c part of the tutorial and I'm feeling disgusted | 13:53 |
| Gathaja | :) | 13:53 |
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| nkverma | inz:no | 13:54 |
| cosmo | i think people often make own c++ ui classes that use gtk+ code | 13:54 |
| inz | nkverma, do you have any code you could put into pastebin? | 13:55 |
| nkverma | inz: in the menu item click I am just creating an object of another window class | 13:55 |
| nkverma | inz: yes sure | 13:55 |
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| nkverma | inz : http://pastebin.ca/539820 | 14:06 |
| nkverma | inz: please check the link | 14:06 |
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| nkverma | inz : Both the window classes are exteded with Hildon::Window | 14:07 |
| inz | nkverma, doesn't the settings window get destroyed when menuSettingsHandler is left? | 14:11 |
| inz | nkverma, I'd go for making SettingsWindow a GtkDialog and then calling the run method from menuSettingsHandler | 14:12 |
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| inz | nkverma, then you don't need the call to add_window(), but instead you should make the dialog transient to the "first window" | 14:13 |
| nkverma | ok | 14:13 |
| Mikho | can I use c++ on 770? | 14:13 |
| nkverma | let me try | 14:14 |
| inz | Mikho, there are gtk and hildon bindings for c++ | 14:14 |
| nkverma | inz, thanks | 14:14 |
| Mikho | I'm trying to locate the repository where I could download the required libraries | 14:15 |
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| inz | nkverma, you can use HildonWindow too, but then you need to a) define it in a wider scope and only show on demand, b) create it dynamically, or c) create a gmainloop in the function and run it until the settingswindow is handled | 14:15 |
| nkverma | inz: yes I tried option c, but i did not find it good | 14:16 |
| Mikho | apt-get install hildon-fmmm-dev hildon-libsmm-dev just says cannot find at the moment | 14:16 |
| Mikho | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch03.html and this page tells that I cant use maemomm on maemo versions older than 3.0 | 14:17 |
| nkverma | because in option c it show two window as seperate application | 14:17 |
| nkverma | offcourse I can hide the first one | 14:17 |
| nkverma | but sill | 14:17 |
| inz | Mikho, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/2.0/free/h/ | 14:17 |
| nkverma | I think b would be better | 14:18 |
| nkverma | inz: I will try your previous option also | 14:18 |
| inz | Mikho, 2.1 and 2.2 (scirocco and gregale) don't have the packages, but I'm guessing the 2.0 ones are compatible | 14:19 |
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| inz | nkverma, I'd go for the GtkDialog inheriting | 14:19 |
| nkverma | inz:Yes I think this is better | 14:21 |
| nkverma | in the b option also its not require to add the window in program | 14:23 |
| nkverma | as I test | 14:23 |
| nkverma | i mean using add_window() | 14:23 |
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| Mikho | should I use libhildon or hildon and -dev or not? | 14:25 |
| nkverma | hildon-libsmm & hildon-fmmm | 14:26 |
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| Mikho | so how can I find hildon-libsmm? | 14:28 |
| nkverma | add-->deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free | 14:31 |
| nkverma | and-->deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free | 14:31 |
| Mikho | but it's not bora | 14:31 |
| nkverma | in ur apt source list | 14:31 |
| inz | that's mistral for 770 | 14:31 |
| nkverma | oh | 14:32 |
| nkverma | you need for n770 | 14:32 |
| inz | And hildon-widgetsmm | 14:32 |
| nkverma | ? | 14:32 |
| Mikho | added those lines but apt-get still can't find them | 14:33 |
| inz | Mikho, the packages are hildon-fmmm-dev and hildon-widgetsmm-dev | 14:34 |
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| Mikho | ok | 14:36 |
| Mikho | looks like I need gtkmm2.4 too | 14:36 |
| nkverma | yes | 14:36 |
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| Mikho | there's a plethora of dependencies... do I need to manually install them all? | 14:43 |
| inz | doesn't apt-get do it for you? | 14:44 |
| nkverma | does it comes during configure? | 14:45 |
| Mikho | well, apt-get doesn't seem to abe able to find anything | 14:45 |
| nkverma | oh | 14:46 |
| Mikho | I have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras mistral free non-free in sources.list, but it doesn't seem to find the packages anyway | 14:46 |
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| Mikho | ok, I was supposed to enter the whole library name along with version information, without the help of tab autocompletion | 14:57 |
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| ||cw | interesting... http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/04/iphone-to-get-software-development-kit-at-wwdc/ | 16:01 |
| ||cw | thinkt he next maemo device will be a phone? | 16:01 |
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| gla55 | i wouldnt think so yet | 16:02 |
| gla55 | i just don't see moving so fast towards that at nokia | 16:02 |
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| inz | *gah*, supporting both hildon-1 and hildon-lgpl is quite painful... | 16:14 |
| inz | Not too painful, but still quite ;) | 16:14 |
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| Gathaja | why would con_ic_event_get_id( (ConIcEvent*)status_event) return null? | 16:26 |
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| inz | Gathaja, if the libconic hasn't received a "connected" event, it doesn't know the id | 16:40 |
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| inz | Gathaja, I'm guessing the replies to the messages come in reversed order for some reason | 16:41 |
| Gathaja | ah | 16:41 |
| inz | (I'm only guessing here though) | 16:43 |
| Gathaja | yep, you were right :) | 16:43 |
| Gathaja | thanks | 16:44 |
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| guardian | out of curiosity, are there specific SDL improvements for the tablet ? | 17:02 |
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| nelson | Anybody know how flexible is the power supply in the N800? Can it accept 6V input? | 17:15 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: no | 17:17 |
| Mikho | now I can't find hildon-libsmm anywhere | 17:18 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: do you need something special? | 17:18 |
| inz | Mikho, it's hildon-widgetsmm for 2.0 | 17:18 |
| guardian | i don't think so :) | 17:18 |
| guardian | gonna try coding graphics stuff | 17:18 |
| guardian | pet project | 17:18 |
| guardian | i was hesitating between using straight GdkImage in the proper pixel format or use SDL | 17:19 |
| guardian | SDL is surely a wise choice so that it's portable | 17:19 |
| Mikho | ok, then I'll need to change the code in the example programs | 17:20 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: sdl is faster and easier | 17:20 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 17:20 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: you'll find that if your not a "G" zealot | 17:20 |
| k-s[WORK] | hehehe | 17:20 |
| k-s[WORK] | b0unc3: hi | 17:20 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: what's your prj? | 17:20 |
| guardian | "G" zealot ? | 17:20 |
| guardian | 3D software renderer and/or raytracing | 17:21 |
| inz | guardian, G{nome,tk+,lib} | 17:21 |
| guardian | k | 17:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: ok, output engine will not need to do much | 17:23 |
| zuh | SDL would be sad if it *wasn't* better in graphics than a generic UI toolkit, after all, it should be designed for it | 17:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: be sure to use SDL in 16bpp | 17:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | zuh: Gdk is also meant for it | 17:24 |
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| guardian | any cool sdl project i could look at on garage ? | 17:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | zuh: or do you think that GIMP created GTK to be Gnome's UI system? | 17:24 |
| guardian | something coming to mind ? | 17:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: canola :-) | 17:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: unfortunately it's close source so far :-( | 17:25 |
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| k-s[WORK] | guardian: games that came with maemo are also SDL | 17:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/ provides some hints | 17:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | i've sdl code spread all over the repository | 17:26 |
| guardian | ok gonna have a look | 17:26 |
| guardian | ths | 17:26 |
| guardian | thx | 17:26 |
| guardian | can the tablet browse samba shares ? | 17:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | no | 17:27 |
| inz | guardian, it's on the roadmap, so make it "not yet" | 17:28 |
| zuh | k-s[WORK]: I think Gdk hasn't really concentrated in graphics for a long time... The drawing API isn't really "serious". | 17:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | zuh: no, Gimp guys still hack on GTK and it's really focused on graphics | 17:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | it IS really serious | 17:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | but no easy of use | 17:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | in order to get things right you must know many of X intrinsics | 17:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | SDL, on other hand exposes it simple to you as a pixel framebuffer | 17:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | they have their pro and cons | 17:29 |
| sethstorm | for usb host support on the 770, does one have to supply power in the cable that immediately leads to a hub, or can the usb hub do the power requirement (which does take care of the devices, but nothing I've seen will pick up w/ usb host enabled) | 17:33 |
| zuh | sethstorm: The 770 won't notice the hub unless you supply the power | 17:33 |
| sethstorm | zuh: so I have to supply power in between the 770 and the hub? | 17:34 |
| zuh | Yes | 17:34 |
| sethstorm | and this is even if the hub itself is powered? (which I'm presuming what you'd say next) | 17:34 |
| zuh | Yes | 17:34 |
| sethstorm | good | 17:35 |
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| zuh | k-s[WORK]: If you look at gdk_draw_*, all you see is "draw this primitive", while a "serious" graphics API has notions of blending and other more advanced stuff. And yes, it's tighlty coupled with the X(lib) drawing API, which is pretty limited in terms of readily-available features. Fortunatlely we have now Cairo to fix this... | 17:39 |
| dragorn | speaking of which, are there finally cairo packages in maemo? | 17:42 |
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| k-s[WORK] | dragorn: etrunko did some packages for cairo | 17:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | etrunko: right? | 17:43 |
| Mikho | now I'm getting all kinds of errors: 'Hildon' has not been initialized and so forth. I don't know what files to #include, and can't find the definition of namespace Hildon or window.h anywhere | 17:43 |
| zuh | Yeah, for evince. And IIRC they are available from extras..? | 17:43 |
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| Mikho | inz, are you sure hildon-widgetsmm is the same as hildon-libsmm? | 17:44 |
| dragorn | Mikho: theres a hildon howto on the garage under 'development' for generic stuff | 17:44 |
| dragorn | as far as using gdk primitives, unless you need alpha blending and AA, it's not particularly hard. Cario generates much nicer output for less coder time, but more render time during execution | 17:45 |
| nkverma | i think you need to add <hildon-widgetsmm/window.h> | 17:45 |
| nkverma | did you try with this | 17:45 |
| etrunko | k-s[WORK]: they're in extras repository | 17:45 |
| dragorn | hm, guess that isn't in my list. I'll check it out, I was actually looking last night | 17:46 |
| etrunko | dragorn: yes, the cairo packages are there for a while | 17:46 |
| Mikho | there's no window.h under hildon-widgetsmm | 17:46 |
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| dragorn | etrunko: happen to have the repo url handy? maemos search appears to suck, and google doesn't appear to be finding the cairo packages | 17:48 |
| nkverma | well I have hildon-libsmm/hildon-libsmm/window.h | 17:48 |
| nkverma | may it is at different path in widgetsmm | 17:48 |
| etrunko | dragorn: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free | 17:48 |
| dragorn | hm. useless search engines. :P | 17:49 |
| etrunko | and for gregale also deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras gregale free non-free | 17:49 |
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| nkverma | as per the examples in hildon-widgetsmm repository window.h should be at <hildon-widgetsmm/window.h> | 17:55 |
| nkverma | may be ur pkg-config path is not set | 17:56 |
| Mikho | it seems there's no window.h on my hard drive | 17:57 |
| Mikho | at least locate didn't find it | 17:57 |
| nkverma | that strange | 17:57 |
| Mikho | I wonder if I'm missing some packages again | 17:58 |
| nkverma | it seems | 17:58 |
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| nkverma | what if you try pkg-config hildon-widgetsmm --cflags | 17:59 |
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| Mikho | there's again the complex network of dependencies, conflicts and versions | 18:04 |
| Mikho | seems I haven't installed all the -dev packages | 18:05 |
| Mikho | but now I need libglibmm (>=2.6.1) | 18:05 |
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| Mikho | looks like it's impossible to install hildon-fmmm-dev and hildon-widgetsmm-dev due to a loop of dependencies and conflicts | 18:18 |
| guardian | is canola open source ? | 18:20 |
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| k-s[WORK] | guardian: no :-( | 18:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: it will be... one day (we're trying to convince boss) | 18:25 |
| guardian | oh you're working on it ? | 18:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: yes | 18:27 |
| guardian | does it use clutter ? | 18:27 |
| Mikho | so is there aynone who's got c++ hildon to work on maemo 2.2? | 18:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: actually it's on hold, we're working on next version | 18:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: no... no clutter, no hw accel on device | 18:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: we're moving to evas and enlightenment foundation libraries for next version | 18:28 |
| guardian | oh | 18:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: for softwares like canola, it's the way to go | 18:28 |
| guardian | so droping sdl and some custom code ? | 18:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | guardian: yes... there's not much custom code there | 18:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | plain sdl do | 18:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | evas can be coupled with Edje, a powerful theme system | 18:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | and can embed a widget set that fits... like etk | 18:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | imagine being able to be able to insert a beautiful/themed GTK form inside your app when you need, doing alpha blend or other special effects | 18:30 |
| guardian | are there sample applications demonstrating this ? | 18:30 |
| ian_brasil_ | Hi...how can i change the active scratchbox target...using sb-menu i get 'you must close the active sessions first'...if i do that i cannot run sb-menu | 18:32 |
| guardian | you have have logged twice to scratchbox | 18:33 |
| ian_brasil_ | ah,ok...i am running scratchbox in vmware maybe it is this? | 18:34 |
| guardian | k-s[WORK]: so you prefer evas to clutter | 18:34 |
| guardian | ian_brasil_: don't know | 18:34 |
| ian_brasil_ | no it is me being dumb...like you said i had 2 scratchboxes going | 18:36 |
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| dragorn | etrunko: Any obvious alternatives to gdk_cairo_set_source_pixmap since the gdk in maemo doesn't seem to be cairo-aware? | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | sometimes scratchbox thinks you're using it when you're not | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | some background processes or whatnot | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | you can use sb-conf killall then, IIRC | 18:43 |
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| MDK | hmmm, new apple laptops | 18:44 |
| Mikho | is it possible to use maemo 3.0 for nokia 770? | 18:44 |
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| SeRi | @Mikho. Yes is possible there is a hack version of OS2007 | 18:56 |
| Mikho | so why am I still trying to use 2.2? | 18:58 |
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| k-s[WORK] | guardian: guardian yes, I like evas more than clutter | 18:58 |
| k-s[WORK] | MDK: what about your gfx sw? is it ready? | 18:58 |
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| Mikho | now I'm trying to compile hildon-libsmm-dev and hildon-fmmm-dev myself, to no avail. ./configure runs ok but make quits with an error. Looks like I'm doomed to using hildon C-bindings for all eternity | 19:08 |
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| SeRi | @Mikho it still a hacker vrsion is not a official release so is some what buggy | 19:23 |
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| Mikho | if it's more compatible than the sword&stone v2.2, then I guess it's a good tradeoff | 19:34 |
| Mikho | but I wonder if I can use the programs I write in non-hacked 770's | 19:34 |
| Mikho | I mean, can people with non-hacked 770's run the programs written with maemo 3? | 19:36 |
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| `0660 | i don't think they can | 19:46 |
| Mikho | but can users of hacked 770 or n800 use the programs I write with maemo 2.2? | 19:47 |
| `0660 | yes | 19:49 |
| `0660 | at least that's how i have understood this | 19:50 |
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| Mikho | maybe I'll just forget about the hildon c++ bindings | 19:52 |
| SeRi | @Mikho Yes is just backwards Programs writen for the N800 engine will not work in a 770 | 19:52 |
| Mikho | it'd be so nice if they'd officialize the new os for 770 | 19:53 |
| Mikho | but I guess companies like nokia don't dwell on the past | 19:54 |
| SeRi | Yeap I am still stuck on 2.2 my self for my 770... I havent switch to the hacked version because I also own a N800 | 19:54 |
| gla55 | nokia, nor others like, publish new os versions for old devices.. | 19:54 |
| Mikho | earlier, when developing software for nokia 6600, I found out I couldn't use vibra because they had forgotten a file out of the sdk. | 19:59 |
| Mikho | And they couldn't fix it, no | 19:59 |
| SeRi | lol | 19:59 |
| Mikho | hmm, actually it was a library file inside the 6600 that was missing | 20:00 |
| Mikho | vibra worked alright, but no-one could develop any custom software that used it | 20:00 |
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| gla55 | Mikho: it's only one of the many, many headers or libraries "forgotten" from certain sdk's | 20:01 |
| Mikho | yep. | 20:02 |
| gla55 | then there's on the other hand the stuff that is in that just doesn't work | 20:02 |
| gla55 | nothing like getting a professional feeling from copying bits and pieces from various sdk's from various manufacturers to get the stuff you want compiled.. | 20:02 |
| gla55 | libdumping to get profile information out ftw | 20:03 |
| Mikho | maybe the new security stuff nokia is promoting is just to make it hard for people to find out about the quality of the code they are writing | 20:03 |
| gla55 | oh you find about the quality all right | 20:03 |
| gla55 | it's just that some of the built in stuff wouldn't pass symbiansigneds criteria | 20:04 |
| gla55 | ..even though you can get pretyt much anything through that | 20:04 |
| Mikho | I sweat blood and bile trying to make my 6290 able to display asian fonts | 20:04 |
| gla55 | security stuff is just to piss off people, really | 20:04 |
| SeRi | ITT has become a house for clowns | 20:04 |
| SeRi | @gla55. Man thats going to be my new signature! LOL | 20:06 |
| Mikho | well said | 20:07 |
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| luck^ | Anybody here using sardine? Seems that sardine doesn't have the hildonized look of standard maemo sdk. Is it right? | 20:40 |
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| defor^work | ok.. i'm not familiar with some distribution methods, but let's say I just compiled some libraries that were needed as dependencies for somehting else... how would I go about packaging them up for distro on the n800... | 20:44 |
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| defor^work | or dont bother, and instead copy them over manually | 20:45 |
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| tko | luck^: huh? sardine uses a different theme, plankton | 20:49 |
| tko | (it's going to replace the original 770 look) | 20:49 |
| pulsar__ | damn it! for some reason my scratchbox cannot resolve hosts using apt (again). The nsswitch.conf files were already modified and fixed the problem once. anyone an idea what might cause this problem again? | 20:50 |
| tko | pulsar__: /etc/resolv.conf ? | 20:51 |
| pulsar__ | nah | 20:51 |
| pulsar__ | its perfectly ok. | 20:51 |
| pulsar__ | loops back to 127.0.0.1 where i have dnsmasq up and running. | 20:51 |
| pulsar__ | tried also the "real" ns over here, did not help. | 20:51 |
| pulsar__ | ah, gotcha! | 20:54 |
| luck^ | tko, hmmmm... but there is any way to test hildon application with a hildonized look? :) | 20:54 |
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| pulsar__ | tko: thanks for the hint, the /etc/resolv.conf was ok (beeing logged into the scratchbox), but it isnt used. /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf was borked. | 20:55 |
| luck^ | tko, here it runs with the same look when I don't use run-standalone | 20:55 |
| tko | luck^: umm, run it? | 20:56 |
| luck^ | tko, its my first attempt with sardine | 20:56 |
| tko | luck^: hmm.. check ~/.osso/current-gtk-theme* -- they should point to 'plankton' or 'default' (where /usr/share/themes/default then points to plankton) | 20:56 |
| tko | I recall MDK saying sardine currently doesn't set up the theme all the way | 20:57 |
| tko | luck^: please send any comments you might have to sardine-developers | 20:57 |
| luck^ | ok tko. thanks! | 20:58 |
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| konttori | Hi! | 21:33 |
| konttori | Is there a command I can use to set the background image in N800? | 21:33 |
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| fish_ | whats the google satelite url atm? | 21:45 |
| fish_ | (for maemo mapper) | 21:45 |
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| Pio | fish_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3514 second post in the thread | 21:52 |
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| harleypig | Is there a ssh server for IT2007? I've found the tutorials for openssh and dropbear for IT200[56] ... | 21:55 |
| fish_ | Pio: thx | 21:56 |
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| Pio | fish_, np, i had the page open from earlier today by coincidence | 21:56 |
| Pio | im loading up on maps for a mt. whitney backpacking trip tomorrow :) | 21:58 |
| k-way | harleypig yes | 22:00 |
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| harleypig | k-way: Can you point me to a tutorial or a repository? | 22:00 |
| k-way | I am searching for a ready make usb cable to connect my n800 as host into a hub | 22:01 |
| k-way | harleypig , yes search the download in maemo.org is(you need red pil mode) | 22:02 |
| k-way | harleypig: are you already root on your system? | 22:02 |
| k-way | http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=ssh&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openpsa_pro | 22:02 |
| k-way | bugger sorry | 22:02 |
| harleypig | Not yet. | 22:02 |
| harleypig | wow ... that's a long link | 22:02 |
| k-way | this is the link for openssh http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh | 22:02 |
| harleypig | this is openssh, not dropbear? | 22:03 |
| k-way | but please remeber to change your password since the default root password is well known | 22:03 |
| k-way | openssh is openssh | 22:03 |
| k-way | this might be a good place to start http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/ | 22:03 |
| harleypig | thanks | 22:04 |
| harleypig | heh ... yeah, isn't the root passwd rootme? | 22:04 |
| k-way | yes | 22:04 |
| k-way | would this adapter work ? http://www.nextag.com/Belkin-USB-B-TO-77569655/prices-html | 22:04 |
| harleypig | k-way: For the eko.one.pl repository, should I put mistral as the page states or update it to bora for my n800? | 22:06 |
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| acidborg | hi | 22:12 |
| k-way | bora | 22:12 |
| k-way | bora +- it2007 +- n800 -+ 3.0 or 3.1 | 22:12 |
| harleypig | thanks | 22:13 |
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| defor80 | ok.. i'm having curious issues... i selecter armel, restarted scratchbox, did a ./configure on the cli app i'm trying to get running, did make clean, then make | 22:14 |
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| defor80 | the app compiled flawlessly, but when run on the n800 i'm gettingL: Nokia-N800-10:~/hx$ bin/hx | 22:14 |
| defor80 | bin/hx: bin/hx: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected | 22:14 |
| k-way | try file hx | 22:15 |
| k-way | isn't hx a progam to send data over serial? | 22:16 |
| defor80 | nah | 22:16 |
| defor80 | clommand-line hotline client | 22:16 |
| defor80 | command | 22:16 |
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| defor80 | i successfully compiled it with 286 selected | 22:16 |
| defor80 | 386 | 22:16 |
| defor80 | switched the target and scratchbox compiled, but would not run on the pc, so i decided to try it on the n800 directly | 22:17 |
| k-way | can you perform a file hx on your sbox? | 22:17 |
| defor80 | one sec | 22:17 |
| defor80 | rebooting vmware | 22:18 |
| k-way | haha | 22:18 |
| defor80 | what's the funny part? | 22:18 |
| harleypig | uh ... I'm assuming 'red pill mode' is becomeroot? | 22:18 |
| defor80 | vmware has been working wonderfully for getting this running... | 22:19 |
| k-way | harleypig: no ' it's a trick to show all the packages in the package manager, by default only package with a section field are shown | 22:19 |
| harleypig | oh | 22:19 |
| k-way | defor80: I once had a friend and everyting on his machine was alwaisworking , I would have liked to have had vmware back then | 22:20 |
| harleypig | hmmm ... not finding much on "red pill" on maemo.org | 22:20 |
| harleypig | red-pill? | 22:20 |
| k-way | but I would also allow you to install ssh and then become root by ssh'ing to your machine . | 22:20 |
| SeRi | theres quite a few people confuse about gainroot, sudo, and red pill mode... is all different | 22:20 |
| k-way | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 22:21 |
| harleypig | well, I know what gainroot and sudo is ... | 22:21 |
| defor80 | yeah it took me a whole to figure it out too... | 22:21 |
| defor80 | i don't use root on the device much.. mainly only through ssh | 22:21 |
| SeRi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 22:21 |
| SeRi | heheh got beeten to it :P | 22:22 |
| harleypig | thanks | 22:22 |
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| defor80 | lol dammit.. i forgot to check for a precompile of readline | 22:22 |
| defor80 | :P | 22:22 |
| SeRi | ok off to sleep | 22:22 |
| SeRi | cya | 22:22 |
| k-way | greets | 22:22 |
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| k-way | I am also away :p | 22:23 |
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| SeRi_zZZzZz | zzz g/n zzzz | 22:23 |
| k-way | snork snork | 22:25 |
| defor80 | crap | 22:25 |
| defor80 | it compiled as 386 | 22:25 |
| defor80 | thanks for the tip about file | 22:26 |
| defor80 | i'm not familiar with it | 22:26 |
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| roope | bergie: Have you tried www.matka.fi? | 22:53 |
| roope | (just reading your blog entry) | 22:53 |
| bergie | roope: haven't tried actually | 22:53 |
| roope | i think it's actually close to what you were looking for. | 22:54 |
| roope | although of course not yet perfect. | 22:54 |
| bergie | yes, seems to do the trick for Finland | 22:55 |
| bergie | thanks for the link! | 22:55 |
| guardian | when does linux tag end ? | 22:55 |
| nomis | guardian: it ended last saturday. | 22:56 |
| guardian | ah | 22:56 |
| guardian | i thought it was this week :) | 22:56 |
| nomis | guardian: nope :) | 22:56 |
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| bergie | hmm... Helsinki-Nuorgam only 17h47 | 22:59 |
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| fish_ | how can i disable screen blanking? is there a dbus command or something? | 23:12 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... | 23:13 |
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| fish_ | and another question: i have a cheap car power supply with should deliver 5v for my nokia 770. but its unstabilized and i dont know how sensible the nokia 770 is when it comes to current fluctuations | 23:21 |
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| Juhaz | I doubt it's extremely sensitive, but might not be a bad idea to not plug it until after the car is running, since starting is when the largest spikes come | 23:31 |
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| fish_ | Juhaz: yes, i know.. well i'll try it ;) | 23:41 |
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| ||cw | I've used mine on trips with no problems, but my van has the towing kit with bigger battery and bigger alternator and so it doens't spike as much | 23:47 |
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