IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-06-08

N800use xchat...00:02
N8002.800:02
N800not the 2.6 version00:02
N800and it works..00:02
N800think someone compiled irssi if you are a cmd line fan00:03
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kamuiI love irssi, but I hate the thumbkeyboards operation in xterm00:04
kamuiit does this crappy multiline thing and then I have to "close" it to send the output00:05
kamuiIts managable with the gtalk type, press return and it closes and sends teh text in one shot00:05
kamuin800: mind giving me a hint on finding xchat?00:06
kamuiI have a ton of repos, but it doesn't seem to be in any, and on teh maemo.org downloads page it appears to be dead00:06
kamuithough Im only about 10 hours into owning this thing00:06
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N800hold on00:10
N800http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/wp/archives/2007/02/08/x-chat-strikes-back/00:10
N800kamui00:10
N800that shoud hep00:11
N800help00:11
kamuioh, that rocks00:12
kamuithanks n80000:12
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b0unc3where I can get the deb of the bash port for maemo ?00:16
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kamuiI had dreams of onboard development, though those dreams are thinning00:18
unique311not alot of room...00:18
kamuiat least until I can get bluetooth keyboard, and maybe a gcc port00:18
kamuiwhy not, i have a 2gig internal SD and another 2 gig microsd in the adapter in the external slot00:19
unique311and two 8gb sd cards00:19
kamuiseems like plenty of space00:19
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kamuiI had gnu c and c++ on my zaurus00:19
kamui:)00:19
kamuigranted it had a 4gig microdrive00:19
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kamuiand a pretty nice keyboard00:20
kamuiN800, is there a place where I can find most of the application catalags for teh n770 and n800?00:21
unique311maemo.org00:22
kamuibeen there00:22
kamuinothing exciting00:22
kamuiunless Im missing something00:22
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kamuiI have mameo base, mameo developers, mameo hackers and I enabled red pill mode, which I honestly have no idea what it does00:23
unique311allows u to dl stuff still in development i think...00:23
unique311unstable stuff00:23
unique311u should go back to the blue..00:24
rwhitbyred pill allows you to download packages (which could be totally stable and released by nokia) which are not normally visible00:24
rwhitbynothing to do with stability of the packages - that's orthogonal00:24
unique311which could be00:25
unique311?00:25
rwhitbykamui: go to garage too00:25
rwhitbyunique311: magic:sys for a start - released by nokia, totally stable, part of the base firmware install, only visible in red pill mode00:26
rwhitbykamui: https://garage.maemo.org/00:27
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kamuihmm, I can't believe I still haven't been to the garage00:29
kamuiseen references everywhere and never went00:29
kamuiwell, time to look around00:29
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kamuiIt would be nice if someone was able to fix some of the nagging input issues on this thing00:30
kamuioccasional missed or thumboard keypress00:30
kamuistop the mini keyboard from autopopping up00:30
kamuiI hate that mini keyboard00:30
kamuiHATE00:30
kamuihow about a transparent thumboard. that would be awesome00:30
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Mithrandirkamui: seen the screenshots near the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/OnScreenKeyboard ?00:36
kamuithats awesome00:38
kamuijust what Im looking for00:38
kamuimaybe the letters being a little more dominant00:38
kamuinot available though for us right00:38
Mithrandirnot yet.00:38
Mithrandirbut something like it might well be part of what gets implemented in Ubuntu00:39
Mithrandirand which Nokia might want to suck back in for their N800 firmware.00:39
toresbeAre there any PC programs apart from the Nokia one compatible with the video "Internet call" deal?00:42
c0ffeeyes00:42
c0ffeethere's the nici client for windows00:42
toresbeAnything for non-windows?00:42
c0ffeeand some opensource thing where a strange svn branch works00:42
toresbe"apart from the Nokia one"00:42
toresbeSome opensource thing? Would that be gaim/pidgin?00:43
c0ffeena00:43
toresbeoh, argh. Opera fall down go boom.00:43
c0ffeebut i forgot which, and i'm too lazy to search the channel logs00:43
toresbe:)00:43
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kamuiany of you experts have any advice on using my n800 with a smartphone that uses bluetooth PAN and ICS instead of the DUN profile?00:59
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kamuiI can manually make it work using these scripts and a dummy profile I found on internettablettalkf forums01:00
kamuibut only terminal apps can see and use the connection01:00
kamuithe actual tablet apps like gtalk and opera can't dns or connect to direct IP addresses01:00
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kamuidamn it damn it damn it02:07
kamuilooks like there isn't any way around it02:07
kamuiI HAVE to buy a new phone to use the n800 enjoyably02:08
myren_what would a new phone provide you?02:08
kamuiit would provide me with mobile web access02:09
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kamuimy dash doesn't have bluetooth dun02:09
kamuionly m$'s gay Internet connection sharing02:09
myren_thats not some kind of simple nat?02:09
myren_ICS on windows is just nat02:10
kamuiit basically is02:10
myren_except it doesnt work with anything else02:10
kamuiI can make it work somewhat using two scripts and teh bluetooth pan util on the n80002:10
kamuibut only my terminal apps can "see" the connection02:10
kamuigtalk, opera, gaim, xchat can't use it02:10
kamuiplus i have to go to the terminal to execute the script to bring it up and down as root02:11
myren_what does the terminal get you?02:11
kamuiand turn on ics on my phone each time I want to use it02:11
myren_can you use the net connection in any way?02:11
myren_to do anything practical?02:11
kamuionly from the terminal02:11
kamuiI can ping sites, netstat, etc02:11
kamuiwget files even02:12
kamuiIm sure links and irssi would also work, if the terminal text entry methods weren't so miserable02:12
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myren_i cant fathom why terminal stuff would work and opera wouldnt02:21
myren_links uses the same kernel calls as opera i'd think02:22
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kamuiyea, its been wide spread amongst those trying to use microsoft AKU3 smartphones and pocketpc phone editions02:25
kamuiin all the forums I've read, I've only read 2 positive posts02:25
kamuiso it seems more like someone is lying than it can be done02:25
kamuione of them was teh 770, the other was the 800, and the 770 has been documented as possible on the wiki02:26
kamuinothing doing for the 800 afaik02:26
kamuiso Im really SOL02:26
kamuimaybe I can buy a cheap razr v3t with edge support02:26
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kamuiIm really going to need a pim on this n800 now if Im losing my smartphone over it02:27
kamuijeez02:27
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GeneralAntillesMaybe try for a used Samsung SYNC on ebay.02:42
GeneralAntillesI just ordered one for myself02:42
GeneralAntilles$6002:42
GeneralAntillesHSDPA support02:42
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kamuithat isn't a bad idea02:49
kamuiIf I have to carry two devices and the second device has to be simple, let it at least be stylish I say02:49
kamuithe rzr is so old now I think I could get one for 20 bucks02:50
GeneralAntillesRazrs just plain suck02:52
GeneralAntillesand are ugly as all get out.02:52
GeneralAntillesBut they are ceahp.02:52
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kamuiI suppose beauty is in the eye of the one who drank the most beers02:56
kamui:)02:56
kamuiany way to see where an app installed to?02:57
kamuiI just tried installing chaos strikes back from the garage, but I got no icon, and I can't find its executable anywhere on my system in the terminal02:57
kamuilimited navigation with the stylus02:57
kamuiand for my second question, how do I create a link/shortcut/launcher for my handwritten scripts?02:58
rwhitbykamui: dpkg --help and find the option which lists files for a package03:00
rwhitbysecond one I don't know, but when i do find out I'll blog it so I can find it again later03:01
kamuithanks rwhitby03:02
kamuiso there is no hope in making a games shortcut for chaos strikes back either for easy access?03:02
kamuinuts03:02
rwhitbyI've seen it somewhere, but don't remember.03:03
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kamuiok im back.03:33
kamuixchat works great on the n800, thanks for the heads up n800.03:34
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N800neurons...04:05
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bmidgleyanyone heard if palm/foleo will use hildon?04:52
bmidgleyor did they reinvent the embedded toolkit :(04:52
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kamuiDesktoplol, the foolio05:03
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JussiPShould all bluetooth GPS devices work with Maemo Mapper or are there some catches?05:30
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BlueStoryhi guys :)06:31
BlueStoryprobably all of you are very proffecional in maemo so please excuse my ignorance, but is someone familiar with nokia n800 ?06:32
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rwhitbyBlueStory: don't ask to ask, just ask the question you have.06:44
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urs_buddy7hi anyone here got an idea of how to build emacs in scratchbox? No offences, but i find vi  very problematic but scratchbox doesnt has emacs.10:39
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kulveuse emacs from outside the sb10:40
kulveemacs /scratchbox/user/<username>/home/<username>/path/to/file10:40
urs_buddy7kulve: has anyone tried integrating scratchbox with emacs?10:42
kulvedunno. I see no reason for that10:42
urs_buddy7kulve: thanks10:43
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guardiangood morning10:43
* zuh has a link from $HOME/scratchboxhome to /scratchbox/user/<username>/home/<username> to reduce typing10:47
kulvemine is ~/sb-home ..10:48
suihkulokkiI think emacs is more likely to integrate scratchbox than the other way around10:48
kulve:)10:48
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AD-N7700good morning11:01
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guardianhmm, my n800 gets its ip adress from dhcp, which is supposed to register the hostname with the dns11:04
guardianon the n800 i set /etc/hostname to "n800"11:04
guardianfrmo my linux workstation i can't ping the tablet by name11:05
guardianon some linux workstations, i have to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so that it sends the hostname. is there some equivalent on the tablet ?11:05
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guardianhmm11:10
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guardiani edited /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and rebooted. however, the hostname of my tablet keeps being "nokian800.domain.tld" any idea please ?11:32
guardiani'm using wifi11:32
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inzguardian, udhcpc (used on the device) seems to take a -H parameter, but it is launched by icd...11:34
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guardianso modifying /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname will only work for usb networking ?11:35
guardianinz: you mean it's hardcoded then ?11:41
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guardianhaha i'm lost, /etc/udhcpc/default.bound contains "sample udhcpc renew script" comment while /et/udhcpc/default.renew contains "sample udhcpc bound script" comment :D11:44
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cosmohm, i'm getting failed to write **** errors with maemo mapper12:07
cosmommc should have free space12:07
cosmoit also flashes "check repository format and internet connection"12:08
cosmointernet connection is working12:09
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cosmohm, now the whole 770 reboots few minutes after being turned on12:29
cosmosomething seems to be badly wrong12:29
inzguardian, it is configurable...12:32
inzguardian, set the _bluetooth_ name of yer device...12:32
guardianhmm gonna try, but i find it weird that bluetooth names controls the name sent to dhcp, considering my bluetooth is always off12:33
inzguardian, I find it weird too =)12:34
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bjvok. so im looking for scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386-1.0.5  and ultimately -arm-1.0.5 toolchain as well12:49
bjvthe actual maemo sdk can be installed vi apt-get? from within scratchbox, once it is up and running12:50
dpb_no, you have to get the rootstrap and install it into scratchbox.12:52
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bjvplan of attack: get      scratchbox-core_1.0.7_i386.deb    scratchbox-libs_1.0.7_i386.deb   & the 2x toolchain packages... then..12:56
bjvi dunno.. figure out this hildon mess.12:56
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guardian_unable to install bash: conflict with application packages: bash13:01
guardian_hmm ok :)13:01
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guardian_which should be prefered ? ssh package or dropbear server ?13:02
SeRipersonally... ssh13:04
jonnylambI prefer using openssh because I'm more familar with it.13:04
SeRi^^ dito13:04
* bjv also installed opensshd out of reflex13:05
cosmoi've got "JFFS2 notice: check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at ..." message in dmesg. any ideas how to get rid of it?13:06
cosmoargh, looks like broken flash: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-December/002436.html13:11
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bjvok. wtf is this link trying to do: "site:downloads/download-maemo"13:16
bjvor this one? "ext:dl_maemo22/i386"13:16
bjvbingo.13:18
bjvMaemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz  is what im after?13:19
dpb_are you developing for the 770?13:22
dpb_oh, and no. that only includes the closed source binaries afaik13:23
bjvi think that is all im after, i just want to see if i can build my little program against mesa & run it on my 77013:26
dpb_no, it certainly isn't all you're after. the binaries wont work by themselves. they need the full maemo.13:28
bjvthe full maemo is needed when you run the -i386-1.0.5 produced binaries in an xnest, i dont think i even need the SDK13:30
bjvhildonization is fairly far off.13:31
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dpb_guess you wont need a scratchbox then either.13:35
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prahalI got a user question is this the right channel ? I want to see my linux box in the n770 file manager or see the n770 files from my linux box ... how could I achieve that ?14:09
bjvi run openssh on the tablet & also a copy on the desktop,  i use konqueror to view the tablet contents on the desktop & sshfs/fuser to enable viewing desktop files on the tablet14:11
bjvit's drag'n'drop once it's working, but you do need to know how to deploy sshd & mounting/unmounting into the tablets root fs14:12
b0unc3also nfs would do the trick ... ( if you flash a kernel with nfs support )14:16
prahalhum thank you I do have sshd installed on the tablet. I had hope that the n770 file manager was able to see my gnome-obex-server as it sees my phone ... I am not that interested in seeing the full file system . My main point was to have some part of each file system available through both file managers (n770 one and nautilus) the way samba or nfs works on linux14:16
prahalbut if it cannot I will stick to sshd on the n770 side and sftp/nautilus on the linux side ... though I ll have a look at sshfs now . I did not though about it14:18
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prahalalso I need a "network" for ssh/nfs ... could I push a file via bluetooth from the n770 the way I do from my phone or nautilus-sendto ?14:26
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edtanyone know of software that reassigns some of the buttons.  I would REALLY like the buttons on top and below the menu button to act as pgup and pgdown14:29
bjvprahal: i dont use bluetooth, but if i were you i would investigate the limits of the tablets ability to interface with your desktop bluetooth hardware14:31
bjvthat sounds like an interesting solution, though ssh is all around more powerful and normally in use anyway14:32
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guardianplease, how could i get back the value of DEB_BUILD_ARCH in my configure.ac ?15:45
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guardianThe default is to17:28
guardian        automatically guess the appropriate version, so you should not17:28
guardian        set this variable under normal circumstances17:28
guardianthat's what scratchbox doc says17:28
guardianabout autoconf version17:29
guardianso on which base does it decide to use 2.13 and not 2.59 ?17:29
guardianbecause autoconf --version reports 2.13 here17:29
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pnahi * how to play an mp3 file on the standard media-player from cui?17:39
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jumpulascratchbox.org debian repositories have been restructured18:05
jumpulain the future, use:18:05
jumpuladeb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3-sdk main18:05
jumpulafor getting scratchbox, if you're doing maemo development18:06
jumpulapackages found in that repository are the same that are used in sdk18:06
dpb_what about with maemo2.2? :)18:06
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jumpulawell, that has yet to be figured out :)18:07
dpb_ln -s maemo3-sdk maemo2-sdk? :)18:07
jumpulacurrently, there's only repository for maemo3-sdk18:07
jumpulayeah, we could do that18:07
jumpulabut i'm not that familiar with the requirements of 2.218:08
jumpulaie. does it use the legacy branch, or stable...18:09
dpb_it uses apophis r4 or later18:10
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trevarthanDoes anyone have a2dp packages I can play with on maemo?18:18
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zjHas anyone been successful in getting USB host mode to work on the N800?18:27
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pnazj, heh I've already, compiled the kernel with the patches, but waitin for a usb cable to attach something ;)18:32
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zjpna - I got a powered hub and hooked up the n800 to the upstream port of the hub but no luck18:33
pnanothing appeard on the dmesg18:34
pna?18:34
zjpna - I followed the directions at http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/, but when doing echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode it always then resets itself to "peripheral"18:34
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zjnothhing on dmesg18:34
pnahmmm strange, ive also followed those directions, but remains on host mode18:35
pnai've also found an option on the falsher something like --active-host-mode18:35
zjmaybe I need to do that before hooking up the usb cable...trying now18:35
pnabut i guess was for the 77018:36
zjdid that, not sure if that has an effect on the n800 though18:36
pnayep sure you have to do it before attach the device18:36
zjno, still changes right back to peripheral18:38
zjthe mode file was read only and I had to do a chmod +w on it....did you have a similar issue?18:38
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pnano18:41
pnano problem on that18:41
pnadid you enabed also otg mode?18:41
pnamaybe could be an OnTheGo problem that set the n800 as a peripheral18:41
zjno...how do I do that/18:41
zj?18:41
pnaand re18:41
pnalook @ this thread:18:42
pnahttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/2287318:43
pnathere are some tweaks to add to your .config before compile, like the CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST and such things18:44
zjhm, alright18:44
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pnawhere are the sources for pkg-config, can't find those on the svn19:05
pnaneed pkg-config i guess 0.1819:05
pnaor 0.1719:06
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pnaok found http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/source/p/pkgconfig/19:13
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pnai do not have dpkg-reconfigure on scrathcbox do ia have to add some virtual package?19:30
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pnaheh solved ;) dpkg --configure19:43
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trevarthanexit19:51
trevarthanIs there an alsa enabled kernel available for the n800? Or do I need to build my own?19:55
trevarthanTrying to play with A2DP....19:55
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pnatrevarthan, could help you?: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-6117.html20:00
trevarthanYeah. Trying to. But the bluetooth-alsa project requires, well, alsa. And I don't think the n800 ships with alsa.20:00
trevarthanSo that means: 1.) kernel upgrade (while keeping my SDHC patches), 2.) alsa tool deb, 3.) modified mplayer deb with alsa support, 4.) finally helping develop an a2dp solution.20:02
trevarthanThat's a lot of steps just to get to the point where you can start developing...20:02
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suihkulokkitrevarthan: it comes with alsa20:03
pnaheh yes ,)20:03
trevarthansuihkulokki: Oh yeah? I must have missed the /dev entries....20:03
trevarthansuihkulokki: mplayer for the n800 doesn't come bundled with alsa support, it looks like. So how would I confirm that alsa is present?20:04
trevarthansuppose I could try building mplayer with alsa and just give it a whirl...20:06
suihkulokkitrevarthan: it has a userland plugin for libalsa forsound output20:07
suihkulokkitrevarthan: there's a project for it in garage as well20:08
trevarthansuihkulokki: I'm sorry, but which 'it' are you referring to?20:08
suihkulokkithe device20:08
suihkulokkiie. n80020:08
trevarthansuihkulokki: got a link?20:09
suihkulokkihttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-alsa/20:09
trevarthanno files. have to build it from svn?20:10
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suihkulokkiits already on the device20:11
trevarthanok. so I just need to rebuild mplayer then.20:11
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kamuixchat20:15
`0660no, irssi20:16
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trevarthanno, pidgin21:28
`0660you just haven't seen the light yet :)21:28
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trevarthanI've got mplayer built with alsa support for the n800: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA22:27
trevarthanbut it doesn't seem to work, at least with the dspmp3 codec...22:27
unique311is that a good thing??22:27
unique311compile vlc....22:27
trevarthanYeah, if I'm going to use a2dp...22:28
trevarthanwhy would I want to compile vlc?22:28
unique311it rocks22:28
unique311lack of words22:29
trevarthanyeah ok, I'm trying to do something here. I'm not just trying to compile various players.22:29
unique311what are you trying to do?22:30
trevarthanget a2dp working22:30
unique311bluetooth headset22:30
trevarthanstereo. yeah.22:30
unique311k, carry on soldier22:30
trevarthan:) thanks.22:31
unique311u should compile vlc when done..22:32
unique311do it for your country....instead of just compiling various players22:33
unique311ur country needs vlc22:33
trevarthanI'm actually thinking about writing my own player after I'm done. I've got a few UI ideas that I'd like to kick around. I'm not sure if I'll ever get done though. :)22:35
trevarthanKinda like an oss canola.22:35
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edistarhey...22:36
edistardoes anyone of you know how to use CTRL and ALT on the 770?22:36
edistarI need them for screen...22:36
edistarand for centericq etc...22:37
edistaranyone help me?22:37
X-Fade_edistar: Just install the right terminal program..22:38
edistar?22:38
X-Fade_The maemo-hackers one..22:38
edistarand how do I use ESC?22:38
edistarI found CTRL already..22:38
edistarbut ALT and ESC I need too22:38
X-Fade_ESC is the back button..22:40
edistarwhich one?22:40
edistaroh22:40
edistarthe arrow? really?22:40
X-Fade_Above menu..22:40
X-Fade_http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install22:40
edistarI am very not bright at the moment..22:41
X-Fade_This is the right terminal..22:41
X-Fade_Geeft niets ;)22:41
edistarbedankt ;)22:41
edistaren ALT?22:42
X-Fade_Check the menu..22:43
edistarok22:43
edistarcya22:43
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edistarhey... how can I cet an ALT in my toolbar of xterm?23:00
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edistarhm?23:04
edistaror how else can I get ALT?23:04
trevarthanedistar: you have the hackers xterm?23:06
trevarthanok, I'm going to assume 'yes' to that question.23:07
trevarthanClick Menu Button -> Edit -> Shortcuts23:07
edistaryes23:07
edistarand then?23:07
trevarthanThen you need the keycode for ALT. I'm not sure what that is off the top of my head. Hang on.23:08
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trevarthanOK, the keycodes are here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h23:09
trevarthanYou want to type in 'Alt_L', I think.23:09
edistarcool, thanks23:10
trevarthandid that work for you?23:10
trevarthanI'm not sure how to make it "sticky" like the Ctrl shortcut.23:11
edistarwell, it is there23:12
edistarbut I need it sticky23:12
edistar:(23:12
trevarthanCan you do a combination of keys instead of making it sticky?23:12
trevarthanYou can combine keys together by separating their codes with a comma ','23:12
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edistarthanks a lot:)23:13
edistaris there any other version than hackers xterm btw?23:13
trevarthanfor example, I have an irssi shortcut for the "/window close" command: slash,w,i,n,d,o,w,KP_Space,c,l,o,s,e,KP_Enter23:14
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trevarthannot that I'm aware of, no.23:14
trevarthanyou can always hack your own though. full source is available, I think.23:14
edistarlooks long;)23:14
edistarI only heard maemo is based on debian. how much debian is left?23:16
trevarthana good bit.23:16
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edistarok:)23:17
tkothe important part, apt-get :)23:18
trevarthanI think the tablets are very nice embedded linux devices. They offer a lot more flexibility than many embedded devices. The only hassle is the fact that you need to cross compile your code for the CPU and memory architecture, so you need the maemo SDK to port applications.23:18
trevarthanSome of the hardware drivers are closed source I think, and so are some of the apps, and so is the boot loader/flasher stuff. But the vast majority of it is still linux.23:19
tkostrictly speaking you don't need it, but it is probably more convenient than alternatives23:19
zyxulnagathe worst is that the wireless driver is closed source and we cant do packet injection23:20
Fataltrevarthan: why not bind it in irssi?  /bind meta-c multi insert_text /window close;send_line ?23:20
trevarthanYeah, I should probably say that I find the SDK very easy to deal with. Cross compiling without it would be a huge pain.23:20
trevarthanFatal: neato.23:21
Fataluh, that was overly complex :/23:21
Fataleasier ; /bind meta-c /window close23:21
Fatal:)23:21
trevarthanOK. If anyone has an A2DP headset and wants to play with A2DP, you can use my packages here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA23:22
edistarctrl doesn't work properly with centericq via screen23:23
trevarthanIt works, but it's choppy. Something about SCO being unoptimized or something. It's the a2dpd daemon that is slow. mplayer plays just fine using straight alsa and libmp3.23:23
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trevarthanI hope to dig into the a2dpd CPU hog issue in the near future. A2DP is waaaaay cool.23:24
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koentrevarthan: try bluez 3.11, that one has a fixed-point SBC encoder23:27
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trevarthanI'm compiling bluez-libs 3.11 and bluez-utils 3.11 from those SVN repos now. But I think I'll wait till I get home and rsync my tablet before I try to install the debs. I'm guessing there might be some binary incompatibility between 3.9 and 3.11. I'm guessing things might break horribly.23:43
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trevarthanI need flex and libhal-dev to build bluez-utils 3.11. Anyone know where I can get those?23:52
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trevarthanmaybe it's time I join the mailing list...23:56
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jumpulatrevarthan: flex is provided by scratchbox23:59
jumpulatrevarthan: follow instructions in the wiki23:59
jumpulatrevarthan: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r423:59

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