| N800 | use xchat... | 00:02 |
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| N800 | 2.8 | 00:02 |
| N800 | not the 2.6 version | 00:02 |
| N800 | and it works.. | 00:02 |
| N800 | think someone compiled irssi if you are a cmd line fan | 00:03 |
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| kamui | I love irssi, but I hate the thumbkeyboards operation in xterm | 00:04 |
| kamui | it does this crappy multiline thing and then I have to "close" it to send the output | 00:05 |
| kamui | Its managable with the gtalk type, press return and it closes and sends teh text in one shot | 00:05 |
| kamui | n800: mind giving me a hint on finding xchat? | 00:06 |
| kamui | I have a ton of repos, but it doesn't seem to be in any, and on teh maemo.org downloads page it appears to be dead | 00:06 |
| kamui | though Im only about 10 hours into owning this thing | 00:06 |
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| N800 | hold on | 00:10 |
| N800 | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/wp/archives/2007/02/08/x-chat-strikes-back/ | 00:10 |
| N800 | kamui | 00:10 |
| N800 | that shoud hep | 00:11 |
| N800 | help | 00:11 |
| kamui | oh, that rocks | 00:12 |
| kamui | thanks n800 | 00:12 |
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| b0unc3 | where I can get the deb of the bash port for maemo ? | 00:16 |
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| kamui | I had dreams of onboard development, though those dreams are thinning | 00:18 |
| unique311 | not alot of room... | 00:18 |
| kamui | at least until I can get bluetooth keyboard, and maybe a gcc port | 00:18 |
| kamui | why not, i have a 2gig internal SD and another 2 gig microsd in the adapter in the external slot | 00:19 |
| unique311 | and two 8gb sd cards | 00:19 |
| kamui | seems like plenty of space | 00:19 |
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| kamui | I had gnu c and c++ on my zaurus | 00:19 |
| kamui | :) | 00:19 |
| kamui | granted it had a 4gig microdrive | 00:19 |
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| kamui | and a pretty nice keyboard | 00:20 |
| kamui | N800, is there a place where I can find most of the application catalags for teh n770 and n800? | 00:21 |
| unique311 | maemo.org | 00:22 |
| kamui | been there | 00:22 |
| kamui | nothing exciting | 00:22 |
| kamui | unless Im missing something | 00:22 |
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| kamui | I have mameo base, mameo developers, mameo hackers and I enabled red pill mode, which I honestly have no idea what it does | 00:23 |
| unique311 | allows u to dl stuff still in development i think... | 00:23 |
| unique311 | unstable stuff | 00:23 |
| unique311 | u should go back to the blue.. | 00:24 |
| rwhitby | red pill allows you to download packages (which could be totally stable and released by nokia) which are not normally visible | 00:24 |
| rwhitby | nothing to do with stability of the packages - that's orthogonal | 00:24 |
| unique311 | which could be | 00:25 |
| unique311 | ? | 00:25 |
| rwhitby | kamui: go to garage too | 00:25 |
| rwhitby | unique311: magic:sys for a start - released by nokia, totally stable, part of the base firmware install, only visible in red pill mode | 00:26 |
| rwhitby | kamui: https://garage.maemo.org/ | 00:27 |
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| kamui | hmm, I can't believe I still haven't been to the garage | 00:29 |
| kamui | seen references everywhere and never went | 00:29 |
| kamui | well, time to look around | 00:29 |
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| kamui | It would be nice if someone was able to fix some of the nagging input issues on this thing | 00:30 |
| kamui | occasional missed or thumboard keypress | 00:30 |
| kamui | stop the mini keyboard from autopopping up | 00:30 |
| kamui | I hate that mini keyboard | 00:30 |
| kamui | HATE | 00:30 |
| kamui | how about a transparent thumboard. that would be awesome | 00:30 |
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| Mithrandir | kamui: seen the screenshots near the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/OnScreenKeyboard ? | 00:36 |
| kamui | thats awesome | 00:38 |
| kamui | just what Im looking for | 00:38 |
| kamui | maybe the letters being a little more dominant | 00:38 |
| kamui | not available though for us right | 00:38 |
| Mithrandir | not yet. | 00:38 |
| Mithrandir | but something like it might well be part of what gets implemented in Ubuntu | 00:39 |
| Mithrandir | and which Nokia might want to suck back in for their N800 firmware. | 00:39 |
| toresbe | Are there any PC programs apart from the Nokia one compatible with the video "Internet call" deal? | 00:42 |
| c0ffee | yes | 00:42 |
| c0ffee | there's the nici client for windows | 00:42 |
| toresbe | Anything for non-windows? | 00:42 |
| c0ffee | and some opensource thing where a strange svn branch works | 00:42 |
| toresbe | "apart from the Nokia one" | 00:42 |
| toresbe | Some opensource thing? Would that be gaim/pidgin? | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | na | 00:43 |
| toresbe | oh, argh. Opera fall down go boom. | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | but i forgot which, and i'm too lazy to search the channel logs | 00:43 |
| toresbe | :) | 00:43 |
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| kamui | any of you experts have any advice on using my n800 with a smartphone that uses bluetooth PAN and ICS instead of the DUN profile? | 00:59 |
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| kamui | I can manually make it work using these scripts and a dummy profile I found on internettablettalkf forums | 01:00 |
| kamui | but only terminal apps can see and use the connection | 01:00 |
| kamui | the actual tablet apps like gtalk and opera can't dns or connect to direct IP addresses | 01:00 |
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| kamui | damn it damn it damn it | 02:07 |
| kamui | looks like there isn't any way around it | 02:07 |
| kamui | I HAVE to buy a new phone to use the n800 enjoyably | 02:08 |
| myren_ | what would a new phone provide you? | 02:08 |
| kamui | it would provide me with mobile web access | 02:09 |
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| kamui | my dash doesn't have bluetooth dun | 02:09 |
| kamui | only m$'s gay Internet connection sharing | 02:09 |
| myren_ | thats not some kind of simple nat? | 02:09 |
| myren_ | ICS on windows is just nat | 02:10 |
| kamui | it basically is | 02:10 |
| myren_ | except it doesnt work with anything else | 02:10 |
| kamui | I can make it work somewhat using two scripts and teh bluetooth pan util on the n800 | 02:10 |
| kamui | but only my terminal apps can "see" the connection | 02:10 |
| kamui | gtalk, opera, gaim, xchat can't use it | 02:10 |
| kamui | plus i have to go to the terminal to execute the script to bring it up and down as root | 02:11 |
| myren_ | what does the terminal get you? | 02:11 |
| kamui | and turn on ics on my phone each time I want to use it | 02:11 |
| myren_ | can you use the net connection in any way? | 02:11 |
| myren_ | to do anything practical? | 02:11 |
| kamui | only from the terminal | 02:11 |
| kamui | I can ping sites, netstat, etc | 02:11 |
| kamui | wget files even | 02:12 |
| kamui | Im sure links and irssi would also work, if the terminal text entry methods weren't so miserable | 02:12 |
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| myren_ | i cant fathom why terminal stuff would work and opera wouldnt | 02:21 |
| myren_ | links uses the same kernel calls as opera i'd think | 02:22 |
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| kamui | yea, its been wide spread amongst those trying to use microsoft AKU3 smartphones and pocketpc phone editions | 02:25 |
| kamui | in all the forums I've read, I've only read 2 positive posts | 02:25 |
| kamui | so it seems more like someone is lying than it can be done | 02:25 |
| kamui | one of them was teh 770, the other was the 800, and the 770 has been documented as possible on the wiki | 02:26 |
| kamui | nothing doing for the 800 afaik | 02:26 |
| kamui | so Im really SOL | 02:26 |
| kamui | maybe I can buy a cheap razr v3t with edge support | 02:26 |
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| kamui | Im really going to need a pim on this n800 now if Im losing my smartphone over it | 02:27 |
| kamui | jeez | 02:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe try for a used Samsung SYNC on ebay. | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just ordered one for myself | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | $60 | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | HSDPA support | 02:42 |
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| kamui | that isn't a bad idea | 02:49 |
| kamui | If I have to carry two devices and the second device has to be simple, let it at least be stylish I say | 02:49 |
| kamui | the rzr is so old now I think I could get one for 20 bucks | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Razrs just plain suck | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | and are ugly as all get out. | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they are ceahp. | 02:52 |
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| kamui | I suppose beauty is in the eye of the one who drank the most beers | 02:56 |
| kamui | :) | 02:56 |
| kamui | any way to see where an app installed to? | 02:57 |
| kamui | I just tried installing chaos strikes back from the garage, but I got no icon, and I can't find its executable anywhere on my system in the terminal | 02:57 |
| kamui | limited navigation with the stylus | 02:57 |
| kamui | and for my second question, how do I create a link/shortcut/launcher for my handwritten scripts? | 02:58 |
| rwhitby | kamui: dpkg --help and find the option which lists files for a package | 03:00 |
| rwhitby | second one I don't know, but when i do find out I'll blog it so I can find it again later | 03:01 |
| kamui | thanks rwhitby | 03:02 |
| kamui | so there is no hope in making a games shortcut for chaos strikes back either for easy access? | 03:02 |
| kamui | nuts | 03:02 |
| rwhitby | I've seen it somewhere, but don't remember. | 03:03 |
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| kamui | ok im back. | 03:33 |
| kamui | xchat works great on the n800, thanks for the heads up n800. | 03:34 |
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| N800 | neurons... | 04:05 |
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| bmidgley | anyone heard if palm/foleo will use hildon? | 04:52 |
| bmidgley | or did they reinvent the embedded toolkit :( | 04:52 |
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| kamuiDesktop | lol, the foolio | 05:03 |
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| JussiP | Should all bluetooth GPS devices work with Maemo Mapper or are there some catches? | 05:30 |
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| BlueStory | hi guys :) | 06:31 |
| BlueStory | probably all of you are very proffecional in maemo so please excuse my ignorance, but is someone familiar with nokia n800 ? | 06:32 |
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| rwhitby | BlueStory: don't ask to ask, just ask the question you have. | 06:44 |
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| urs_buddy7 | hi anyone here got an idea of how to build emacs in scratchbox? No offences, but i find vi very problematic but scratchbox doesnt has emacs. | 10:39 |
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| kulve | use emacs from outside the sb | 10:40 |
| kulve | emacs /scratchbox/user/<username>/home/<username>/path/to/file | 10:40 |
| urs_buddy7 | kulve: has anyone tried integrating scratchbox with emacs? | 10:42 |
| kulve | dunno. I see no reason for that | 10:42 |
| urs_buddy7 | kulve: thanks | 10:43 |
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| guardian | good morning | 10:43 |
| * zuh has a link from $HOME/scratchboxhome to /scratchbox/user/<username>/home/<username> to reduce typing | 10:47 | |
| kulve | mine is ~/sb-home .. | 10:48 |
| suihkulokki | I think emacs is more likely to integrate scratchbox than the other way around | 10:48 |
| kulve | :) | 10:48 |
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| AD-N770 | 0good morning | 11:01 |
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| guardian | hmm, my n800 gets its ip adress from dhcp, which is supposed to register the hostname with the dns | 11:04 |
| guardian | on the n800 i set /etc/hostname to "n800" | 11:04 |
| guardian | frmo my linux workstation i can't ping the tablet by name | 11:05 |
| guardian | on some linux workstations, i have to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so that it sends the hostname. is there some equivalent on the tablet ? | 11:05 |
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| guardian | hmm | 11:10 |
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| guardian | i edited /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and rebooted. however, the hostname of my tablet keeps being "nokian800.domain.tld" any idea please ? | 11:32 |
| guardian | i'm using wifi | 11:32 |
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| inz | guardian, udhcpc (used on the device) seems to take a -H parameter, but it is launched by icd... | 11:34 |
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| guardian | so modifying /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname will only work for usb networking ? | 11:35 |
| guardian | inz: you mean it's hardcoded then ? | 11:41 |
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| guardian | haha i'm lost, /etc/udhcpc/default.bound contains "sample udhcpc renew script" comment while /et/udhcpc/default.renew contains "sample udhcpc bound script" comment :D | 11:44 |
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| cosmo | hm, i'm getting failed to write **** errors with maemo mapper | 12:07 |
| cosmo | mmc should have free space | 12:07 |
| cosmo | it also flashes "check repository format and internet connection" | 12:08 |
| cosmo | internet connection is working | 12:09 |
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| cosmo | hm, now the whole 770 reboots few minutes after being turned on | 12:29 |
| cosmo | something seems to be badly wrong | 12:29 |
| inz | guardian, it is configurable... | 12:32 |
| inz | guardian, set the _bluetooth_ name of yer device... | 12:32 |
| guardian | hmm gonna try, but i find it weird that bluetooth names controls the name sent to dhcp, considering my bluetooth is always off | 12:33 |
| inz | guardian, I find it weird too =) | 12:34 |
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| bjv | ok. so im looking for scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386-1.0.5 and ultimately -arm-1.0.5 toolchain as well | 12:49 |
| bjv | the actual maemo sdk can be installed vi apt-get? from within scratchbox, once it is up and running | 12:50 |
| dpb_ | no, you have to get the rootstrap and install it into scratchbox. | 12:52 |
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| bjv | plan of attack: get scratchbox-core_1.0.7_i386.deb scratchbox-libs_1.0.7_i386.deb & the 2x toolchain packages... then.. | 12:56 |
| bjv | i dunno.. figure out this hildon mess. | 12:56 |
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| guardian_ | unable to install bash: conflict with application packages: bash | 13:01 |
| guardian_ | hmm ok :) | 13:01 |
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| guardian_ | which should be prefered ? ssh package or dropbear server ? | 13:02 |
| SeRi | personally... ssh | 13:04 |
| jonnylamb | I prefer using openssh because I'm more familar with it. | 13:04 |
| SeRi | ^^ dito | 13:04 |
| * bjv also installed opensshd out of reflex | 13:05 | |
| cosmo | i've got "JFFS2 notice: check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at ..." message in dmesg. any ideas how to get rid of it? | 13:06 |
| cosmo | argh, looks like broken flash: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-December/002436.html | 13:11 |
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| bjv | ok. wtf is this link trying to do: "site:downloads/download-maemo" | 13:16 |
| bjv | or this one? "ext:dl_maemo22/i386" | 13:16 |
| bjv | bingo. | 13:18 |
| bjv | Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz is what im after? | 13:19 |
| dpb_ | are you developing for the 770? | 13:22 |
| dpb_ | oh, and no. that only includes the closed source binaries afaik | 13:23 |
| bjv | i think that is all im after, i just want to see if i can build my little program against mesa & run it on my 770 | 13:26 |
| dpb_ | no, it certainly isn't all you're after. the binaries wont work by themselves. they need the full maemo. | 13:28 |
| bjv | the full maemo is needed when you run the -i386-1.0.5 produced binaries in an xnest, i dont think i even need the SDK | 13:30 |
| bjv | hildonization is fairly far off. | 13:31 |
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| dpb_ | guess you wont need a scratchbox then either. | 13:35 |
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| prahal | I got a user question is this the right channel ? I want to see my linux box in the n770 file manager or see the n770 files from my linux box ... how could I achieve that ? | 14:09 |
| bjv | i run openssh on the tablet & also a copy on the desktop, i use konqueror to view the tablet contents on the desktop & sshfs/fuser to enable viewing desktop files on the tablet | 14:11 |
| bjv | it's drag'n'drop once it's working, but you do need to know how to deploy sshd & mounting/unmounting into the tablets root fs | 14:12 |
| b0unc3 | also nfs would do the trick ... ( if you flash a kernel with nfs support ) | 14:16 |
| prahal | hum thank you I do have sshd installed on the tablet. I had hope that the n770 file manager was able to see my gnome-obex-server as it sees my phone ... I am not that interested in seeing the full file system . My main point was to have some part of each file system available through both file managers (n770 one and nautilus) the way samba or nfs works on linux | 14:16 |
| prahal | but if it cannot I will stick to sshd on the n770 side and sftp/nautilus on the linux side ... though I ll have a look at sshfs now . I did not though about it | 14:18 |
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| prahal | also I need a "network" for ssh/nfs ... could I push a file via bluetooth from the n770 the way I do from my phone or nautilus-sendto ? | 14:26 |
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| edt | anyone know of software that reassigns some of the buttons. I would REALLY like the buttons on top and below the menu button to act as pgup and pgdown | 14:29 |
| bjv | prahal: i dont use bluetooth, but if i were you i would investigate the limits of the tablets ability to interface with your desktop bluetooth hardware | 14:31 |
| bjv | that sounds like an interesting solution, though ssh is all around more powerful and normally in use anyway | 14:32 |
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| guardian | please, how could i get back the value of DEB_BUILD_ARCH in my configure.ac ? | 15:45 |
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| guardian | The default is to | 17:28 |
| guardian | automatically guess the appropriate version, so you should not | 17:28 |
| guardian | set this variable under normal circumstances | 17:28 |
| guardian | that's what scratchbox doc says | 17:28 |
| guardian | about autoconf version | 17:29 |
| guardian | so on which base does it decide to use 2.13 and not 2.59 ? | 17:29 |
| guardian | because autoconf --version reports 2.13 here | 17:29 |
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| pna | hi * how to play an mp3 file on the standard media-player from cui? | 17:39 |
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| jumpula | scratchbox.org debian repositories have been restructured | 18:05 |
| jumpula | in the future, use: | 18:05 |
| jumpula | deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3-sdk main | 18:05 |
| jumpula | for getting scratchbox, if you're doing maemo development | 18:06 |
| jumpula | packages found in that repository are the same that are used in sdk | 18:06 |
| dpb_ | what about with maemo2.2? :) | 18:06 |
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| jumpula | well, that has yet to be figured out :) | 18:07 |
| dpb_ | ln -s maemo3-sdk maemo2-sdk? :) | 18:07 |
| jumpula | currently, there's only repository for maemo3-sdk | 18:07 |
| jumpula | yeah, we could do that | 18:07 |
| jumpula | but i'm not that familiar with the requirements of 2.2 | 18:08 |
| jumpula | ie. does it use the legacy branch, or stable... | 18:09 |
| dpb_ | it uses apophis r4 or later | 18:10 |
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| trevarthan | Does anyone have a2dp packages I can play with on maemo? | 18:18 |
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| zj | Has anyone been successful in getting USB host mode to work on the N800? | 18:27 |
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| pna | zj, heh I've already, compiled the kernel with the patches, but waitin for a usb cable to attach something ;) | 18:32 |
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| zj | pna - I got a powered hub and hooked up the n800 to the upstream port of the hub but no luck | 18:33 |
| pna | nothing appeard on the dmesg | 18:34 |
| pna | ? | 18:34 |
| zj | pna - I followed the directions at http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/, but when doing echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode it always then resets itself to "peripheral" | 18:34 |
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| zj | nothhing on dmesg | 18:34 |
| pna | hmmm strange, ive also followed those directions, but remains on host mode | 18:35 |
| pna | i've also found an option on the falsher something like --active-host-mode | 18:35 |
| zj | maybe I need to do that before hooking up the usb cable...trying now | 18:35 |
| pna | but i guess was for the 770 | 18:36 |
| zj | did that, not sure if that has an effect on the n800 though | 18:36 |
| pna | yep sure you have to do it before attach the device | 18:36 |
| zj | no, still changes right back to peripheral | 18:38 |
| zj | the mode file was read only and I had to do a chmod +w on it....did you have a similar issue? | 18:38 |
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| pna | no | 18:41 |
| pna | no problem on that | 18:41 |
| pna | did you enabed also otg mode? | 18:41 |
| pna | maybe could be an OnTheGo problem that set the n800 as a peripheral | 18:41 |
| zj | no...how do I do that/ | 18:41 |
| zj | ? | 18:41 |
| pna | and re | 18:41 |
| pna | look @ this thread: | 18:42 |
| pna | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/22873 | 18:43 |
| pna | there are some tweaks to add to your .config before compile, like the CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST and such things | 18:44 |
| zj | hm, alright | 18:44 |
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| pna | where are the sources for pkg-config, can't find those on the svn | 19:05 |
| pna | need pkg-config i guess 0.18 | 19:05 |
| pna | or 0.17 | 19:06 |
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| pna | ok found http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/source/p/pkgconfig/ | 19:13 |
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| pna | i do not have dpkg-reconfigure on scrathcbox do ia have to add some virtual package? | 19:30 |
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| pna | heh solved ;) dpkg --configure | 19:43 |
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| trevarthan | exit | 19:51 |
| trevarthan | Is there an alsa enabled kernel available for the n800? Or do I need to build my own? | 19:55 |
| trevarthan | Trying to play with A2DP.... | 19:55 |
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| pna | trevarthan, could help you?: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-6117.html | 20:00 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. Trying to. But the bluetooth-alsa project requires, well, alsa. And I don't think the n800 ships with alsa. | 20:00 |
| trevarthan | So that means: 1.) kernel upgrade (while keeping my SDHC patches), 2.) alsa tool deb, 3.) modified mplayer deb with alsa support, 4.) finally helping develop an a2dp solution. | 20:02 |
| trevarthan | That's a lot of steps just to get to the point where you can start developing... | 20:02 |
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| suihkulokki | trevarthan: it comes with alsa | 20:03 |
| pna | heh yes ,) | 20:03 |
| trevarthan | suihkulokki: Oh yeah? I must have missed the /dev entries.... | 20:03 |
| trevarthan | suihkulokki: mplayer for the n800 doesn't come bundled with alsa support, it looks like. So how would I confirm that alsa is present? | 20:04 |
| trevarthan | suppose I could try building mplayer with alsa and just give it a whirl... | 20:06 |
| suihkulokki | trevarthan: it has a userland plugin for libalsa forsound output | 20:07 |
| suihkulokki | trevarthan: there's a project for it in garage as well | 20:08 |
| trevarthan | suihkulokki: I'm sorry, but which 'it' are you referring to? | 20:08 |
| suihkulokki | the device | 20:08 |
| suihkulokki | ie. n800 | 20:08 |
| trevarthan | suihkulokki: got a link? | 20:09 |
| suihkulokki | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-alsa/ | 20:09 |
| trevarthan | no files. have to build it from svn? | 20:10 |
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| suihkulokki | its already on the device | 20:11 |
| trevarthan | ok. so I just need to rebuild mplayer then. | 20:11 |
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| kamui | xchat | 20:15 |
| `0660 | no, irssi | 20:16 |
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| trevarthan | no, pidgin | 21:28 |
| `0660 | you just haven't seen the light yet :) | 21:28 |
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| trevarthan | I've got mplayer built with alsa support for the n800: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | but it doesn't seem to work, at least with the dspmp3 codec... | 22:27 |
| unique311 | is that a good thing?? | 22:27 |
| unique311 | compile vlc.... | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, if I'm going to use a2dp... | 22:28 |
| trevarthan | why would I want to compile vlc? | 22:28 |
| unique311 | it rocks | 22:28 |
| unique311 | lack of words | 22:29 |
| trevarthan | yeah ok, I'm trying to do something here. I'm not just trying to compile various players. | 22:29 |
| unique311 | what are you trying to do? | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | get a2dp working | 22:30 |
| unique311 | bluetooth headset | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | stereo. yeah. | 22:30 |
| unique311 | k, carry on soldier | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | :) thanks. | 22:31 |
| unique311 | u should compile vlc when done.. | 22:32 |
| unique311 | do it for your country....instead of just compiling various players | 22:33 |
| unique311 | ur country needs vlc | 22:33 |
| trevarthan | I'm actually thinking about writing my own player after I'm done. I've got a few UI ideas that I'd like to kick around. I'm not sure if I'll ever get done though. :) | 22:35 |
| trevarthan | Kinda like an oss canola. | 22:35 |
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| edistar | hey... | 22:36 |
| edistar | does anyone of you know how to use CTRL and ALT on the 770? | 22:36 |
| edistar | I need them for screen... | 22:36 |
| edistar | and for centericq etc... | 22:37 |
| edistar | anyone help me? | 22:37 |
| X-Fade_ | edistar: Just install the right terminal program.. | 22:38 |
| edistar | ? | 22:38 |
| X-Fade_ | The maemo-hackers one.. | 22:38 |
| edistar | and how do I use ESC? | 22:38 |
| edistar | I found CTRL already.. | 22:38 |
| edistar | but ALT and ESC I need too | 22:38 |
| X-Fade_ | ESC is the back button.. | 22:40 |
| edistar | which one? | 22:40 |
| edistar | oh | 22:40 |
| edistar | the arrow? really? | 22:40 |
| X-Fade_ | Above menu.. | 22:40 |
| X-Fade_ | http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install | 22:40 |
| edistar | I am very not bright at the moment.. | 22:41 |
| X-Fade_ | This is the right terminal.. | 22:41 |
| X-Fade_ | Geeft niets ;) | 22:41 |
| edistar | bedankt ;) | 22:41 |
| edistar | en ALT? | 22:42 |
| X-Fade_ | Check the menu.. | 22:43 |
| edistar | ok | 22:43 |
| edistar | cya | 22:43 |
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| edistar | hey... how can I cet an ALT in my toolbar of xterm? | 23:00 |
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| edistar | hm? | 23:04 |
| edistar | or how else can I get ALT? | 23:04 |
| trevarthan | edistar: you have the hackers xterm? | 23:06 |
| trevarthan | ok, I'm going to assume 'yes' to that question. | 23:07 |
| trevarthan | Click Menu Button -> Edit -> Shortcuts | 23:07 |
| edistar | yes | 23:07 |
| edistar | and then? | 23:07 |
| trevarthan | Then you need the keycode for ALT. I'm not sure what that is off the top of my head. Hang on. | 23:08 |
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| trevarthan | OK, the keycodes are here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h | 23:09 |
| trevarthan | You want to type in 'Alt_L', I think. | 23:09 |
| edistar | cool, thanks | 23:10 |
| trevarthan | did that work for you? | 23:10 |
| trevarthan | I'm not sure how to make it "sticky" like the Ctrl shortcut. | 23:11 |
| edistar | well, it is there | 23:12 |
| edistar | but I need it sticky | 23:12 |
| edistar | :( | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | Can you do a combination of keys instead of making it sticky? | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | You can combine keys together by separating their codes with a comma ',' | 23:12 |
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| edistar | thanks a lot:) | 23:13 |
| edistar | is there any other version than hackers xterm btw? | 23:13 |
| trevarthan | for example, I have an irssi shortcut for the "/window close" command: slash,w,i,n,d,o,w,KP_Space,c,l,o,s,e,KP_Enter | 23:14 |
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| trevarthan | not that I'm aware of, no. | 23:14 |
| trevarthan | you can always hack your own though. full source is available, I think. | 23:14 |
| edistar | looks long;) | 23:14 |
| edistar | I only heard maemo is based on debian. how much debian is left? | 23:16 |
| trevarthan | a good bit. | 23:16 |
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| edistar | ok:) | 23:17 |
| tko | the important part, apt-get :) | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | I think the tablets are very nice embedded linux devices. They offer a lot more flexibility than many embedded devices. The only hassle is the fact that you need to cross compile your code for the CPU and memory architecture, so you need the maemo SDK to port applications. | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | Some of the hardware drivers are closed source I think, and so are some of the apps, and so is the boot loader/flasher stuff. But the vast majority of it is still linux. | 23:19 |
| tko | strictly speaking you don't need it, but it is probably more convenient than alternatives | 23:19 |
| zyxulnaga | the worst is that the wireless driver is closed source and we cant do packet injection | 23:20 |
| Fatal | trevarthan: why not bind it in irssi? /bind meta-c multi insert_text /window close;send_line ? | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, I should probably say that I find the SDK very easy to deal with. Cross compiling without it would be a huge pain. | 23:20 |
| trevarthan | Fatal: neato. | 23:21 |
| Fatal | uh, that was overly complex :/ | 23:21 |
| Fatal | easier ; /bind meta-c /window close | 23:21 |
| Fatal | :) | 23:21 |
| trevarthan | OK. If anyone has an A2DP headset and wants to play with A2DP, you can use my packages here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA | 23:22 |
| edistar | ctrl doesn't work properly with centericq via screen | 23:23 |
| trevarthan | It works, but it's choppy. Something about SCO being unoptimized or something. It's the a2dpd daemon that is slow. mplayer plays just fine using straight alsa and libmp3. | 23:23 |
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| trevarthan | I hope to dig into the a2dpd CPU hog issue in the near future. A2DP is waaaaay cool. | 23:24 |
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| koen | trevarthan: try bluez 3.11, that one has a fixed-point SBC encoder | 23:27 |
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| trevarthan | I'm compiling bluez-libs 3.11 and bluez-utils 3.11 from those SVN repos now. But I think I'll wait till I get home and rsync my tablet before I try to install the debs. I'm guessing there might be some binary incompatibility between 3.9 and 3.11. I'm guessing things might break horribly. | 23:43 |
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| trevarthan | I need flex and libhal-dev to build bluez-utils 3.11. Anyone know where I can get those? | 23:52 |
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| trevarthan | maybe it's time I join the mailing list... | 23:56 |
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| jumpula | trevarthan: flex is provided by scratchbox | 23:59 |
| jumpula | trevarthan: follow instructions in the wiki | 23:59 |
| jumpula | trevarthan: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r4 | 23:59 |
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