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| N800 | ?? | 04:05 |
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| N800 | anybody home | 04:05 |
| Sulis | ...nope | 04:12 |
| N800 | lol | 04:12 |
| N800 | ok | 04:12 |
| N800 | I'll take that.. | 04:12 |
| Sulis | hehe | 04:12 |
| Sulis | N800 is perhaps not the best nick for a channel where N800 will be said a lot... | 04:13 |
| N800 | I want to install another distro on the N800...think nokia would like that at all.... | 04:13 |
| N800 | I know.. | 04:13 |
| N800 | i'm unique311 | 04:13 |
| N800 | but N800 is fun.. | 04:13 |
| N800 | see alot of red lines in xchat | 04:13 |
| Sulis | hehe, thought you might | 04:13 |
| Sulis | if you want to put another distro on your n800 then go ahead and do it...i don't speak for nokia in any way whatsoever...but i can't see that they'd have a problem with that | 04:15 |
| N800 | its that simple | 04:16 |
| N800 | the dudes at #linux are talking about reflashing it.. | 04:16 |
| N800 | not sure thats all it takes.. | 04:16 |
| N800 | every device out there that don't run linux..eventually run linux... | 04:17 |
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| Sulis | well that would be all that it'd take to put a new distro on it | 04:18 |
| Sulis | do you have anything in mind, are you going for your own custom distro? | 04:20 |
| N800 | Actually just a thought | 04:23 |
| N800 | not planning on doing this.. | 04:23 |
| N800 | i did try the openrox | 04:23 |
| N800 | guess having a choice of window managers would be nice...without messing with the OS | 04:24 |
| Sulis | hmm, what would you put on it? | 04:27 |
| N800 | something light...xfce would be nice... | 04:30 |
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| Sulis | hmm, that would require that you have some way to fake a right and middle click | 04:38 |
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| neostrider | hey folks | 04:59 |
| neostrider | anyone knows how to turn off that annoying noise the rocker provokes when pressed? | 05:00 |
| Sulis | there's a rocker? | 05:00 |
| neostrider | you know, the DPAD | 05:00 |
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| Sulis | isn't that noise the same as the noise you get when you click on something? | 05:02 |
| maba | it's two different sounds, and they can both be turned off in sound preferences | 05:04 |
| Sulis | i've never actually noticed a sound....when i'm pressing the dpad | 05:05 |
| neostrider | actually, I want to turn it off from my SDL application | 05:06 |
| neostrider | when you actually play a action game, it is annoying! | 05:06 |
| maba | now that's a completely different matter :) | 05:06 |
| maba | anyway, time to sleep, g'night | 05:06 |
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| neostrider | for a First Person shooter, its first need | 05:08 |
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| N800 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mittuhu7XbA&mode=related&search= | 05:35 |
| N800 | 700 dollars | 05:35 |
| cesman | doesn't run Linux OTB... | 05:50 |
| cesman | whats the point? ;) | 05:50 |
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| neostrider | anyone knows how to turn off that click noise the D-Pad does? | 06:19 |
| neostrider | I mean, programaticly? | 06:19 |
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| N800 | cesman, you can install linux on it... | 06:32 |
| neostrider | it will probably have poor HW support, right? | 06:39 |
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| brentfud | Greetings folks | 07:00 |
| brentfud | My N800 just keeps rebooting | 07:01 |
| brentfud | Any ideas how to track down the cause | 07:01 |
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| cesman | pity, I was just about to help him | 07:10 |
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| keesj | Hi | 08:08 |
| keesj | cesman: It's early here :p | 08:08 |
| keesj | and sunday :p | 08:08 |
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| cesman | still saturday evening here | 08:18 |
| keesj | sunday morning around 7 o clock :p | 08:19 |
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| zbowling|n800 | there is a bug in chess | 10:51 |
| zbowling|n800 | the computer is allowed to attack pawns sideways | 10:51 |
| zbowling|n800 | with other pawns | 10:52 |
| zbowling|n800 | why does my hand fall asleep using the stylist | 10:54 |
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| osfameron | hi | 11:26 |
| keesj | zbowling|n800: its sounds like the pragmatic developers "select on unix is broken" | 11:26 |
| osfameron | how can i kill metalayer-crawler ? | 11:26 |
| osfameron | the buggy pos is locking my mmc1 | 11:27 |
| * osfameron kicks his n800 | 11:27 | |
| keesj | osfameron: I am also constantly searching for the pin reset :p | 11:27 |
| suihkulo1ki | osfameron: like on linux usually.. /etc/init.d/metalayer-whatever stop | 11:27 |
| osfameron | ah! in /etc/init.d, ta | 11:28 |
| osfameron | can i stop the useless thing from /evr/ starting up again? | 11:28 |
| osfameron | maybe the n800's successor will have ironed out the usability issues that make this so utterly hateful | 11:30 |
| keesj | where can I find the midgard wiki syntax? | 11:30 |
| osfameron | suihkulo1ki: thanks | 11:30 |
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| tko | keesj: I always had to resort to google.. markdown IIRC | 11:41 |
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| keesj | thanks I will try to experiment .. a preview would have been nice | 11:48 |
| dolske | zbowling|n800: are you sure it's not this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_passant | 11:50 |
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| keesj | I am a bit confused at to where to file bugs for the website is that in the Maemo website build with Midgard CMS or in bugzilla? | 12:13 |
| zuh | osfameron: You might be interested in http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/ | 12:13 |
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| keesj | Jippie! 3 gig remaining on my rootfs after boot from mmc2 ! | 14:59 |
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| keesj | what would be a go start if I want to use the a n800 and a 770 af walky talky? | 15:10 |
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| keesj | funny gizmo added msn and jabber chat! | 15:15 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 19:06 |
| gla55_ | hello | 19:13 |
| neostrider | hey gla55 , do know anything about Gconf? | 19:16 |
| gla55_ | not really | 19:16 |
| neostrider | do you have any of the maemo devices? | 19:17 |
| `0660 | i know something about gconf | 19:18 |
| `0660 | and i have a maemo device | 19:18 |
| neostrider | do you know what gconf key I have to temporarily disable the d-pad "click" sound? | 19:19 |
| neostrider | and what device do you have? | 19:19 |
| `0660 | no | 19:19 |
| `0660 | and i have n800 | 19:19 |
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| neostrider | so, can you please check a gconf key for me? | 19:22 |
| neostrider | its /apps/osso/osso-device-applet | 19:22 |
| `0660 | ok | 19:22 |
| neostrider | thanks | 19:23 |
| neostrider | (I bet I can use this to identify if my game is running on a n770 or a n800 | 19:23 |
| neostrider | ) | 19:23 |
| `0660 | i don't have that key | 19:23 |
| neostrider | strange... | 19:24 |
| `0660 | i do have /apps/osso/osso-applet-device though... | 19:24 |
| neostrider | and what it does read? | 19:24 |
| `0660 | but it only contains a key called "device_name" | 19:24 |
| neostrider | and what it contains? | 19:24 |
| `0660 | the name i gave for the device | 19:25 |
| neostrider | ok...so it was a coincidence I gave my 770 the name "nokia 770" heheh ;-p | 19:25 |
| `0660 | :P | 19:26 |
| neostrider | but that key can be useful ... | 19:26 |
| neostrider | thanks =-) | 19:26 |
| neostrider | going to lunch... | 19:26 |
| neostrider | BRB | 19:26 |
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| rhsanborn | Anyone know where I might be able to snag a .deb for mutt or pine on the 800? | 19:49 |
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| dragorn | if it's not in the garage it probably hasn't been ported | 19:57 |
| rhsanborn | thx drag | 19:57 |
| rhsanborn | trying to find a reasonable mail cleint :P | 19:57 |
| dragorn | garage.maemo.com i think | 19:57 |
| dragorn | or maybe .org. Looks like .org from the topic | 19:58 |
| dragorn | being curses and terminal, it probably wouldn't be too hard to port yourself if you grabbed the devkit | 19:58 |
| rhsanborn | pine is listed, no linked deb | 19:58 |
| dragorn | try googling, might be able to find the persons home page w/ packages | 19:58 |
| rhsanborn | Aye, I think it'd be simply a compile, no pc for a couple months though | 19:58 |
| dragorn | it's not as useful as you'd hope though, since it's a small screen, cut in half by using the on-screen keyboard | 20:01 |
| dragorn | (having run other curses apps, you really face some size problems) | 20:01 |
| rhsanborn | perhaps I'll have to look for a different mail app that someone has already ported | 20:03 |
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| neostrider | so, folks...whtas going on? | 20:21 |
| neostrider | any news from your personal projects? | 20:21 |
| konttori | neostrider: Have you checked UKMP? | 20:24 |
| konttori | 1.0 on wednesday | 20:24 |
| konttori | 1.01 brewing currently. | 20:24 |
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| neostrider | no | 20:25 |
| neostrider | actually, I dont even know what it is | 20:25 |
| neostrider | sorry | 20:26 |
| neostrider | can u explain to me? | 20:26 |
| konttori | music player. Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIANUJ-ctg | 20:27 |
| konttori | 2 minutes. shows it pretty completely | 20:27 |
| neostrider | konttori : starting the video....nice theme on the device ;-) | 20:34 |
| konttori | thanks. It's nuvo. | 20:35 |
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| neostrider | by the way | 20:37 |
| neostrider | really COOL! | 20:37 |
| neostrider | have you tested on 770? | 20:37 |
| konttori | Yeah | 20:37 |
| konttori | Works just fine | 20:38 |
| neostrider | what did you used for this?SDL? | 20:38 |
| konttori | SDL. Yeah. and python | 20:38 |
| neostrider | I will try then =-) | 20:38 |
| konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html | 20:38 |
| neostrider | looks, for me as a simpler take on the same task as canola | 20:38 |
| konttori | You need to have python installed. | 20:38 |
| konttori | I tried to keep it as straight forward to use as possible | 20:39 |
| neostrider | THAT is a problem | 20:39 |
| neostrider | I dont have acess to wifi right now... | 20:39 |
| konttori | You don't have any version installed? | 20:40 |
| konttori | a shame. Anyway, try it out when you can and let me know if you have improvement ideas. | 20:40 |
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| konttori | I'm at the moment working on making small improvements all around, but not feature changes. Basically the usual stuff for 1.01. | 20:42 |
| * neostrider wishes to reach 1.0 for his game too | 20:43 | |
| konttori | what are you working on? | 20:44 |
| gla55_ | 1.0 is just a number, just like 15 | 20:44 |
| neostrider | a 3D tron game | 20:45 |
| konttori | 1.0 Is a big thing. It means that you feel that the app is ready for normal consumer use. | 20:45 |
| neostrider | yeah..."I want to reach stability and a good finish...just like UKMP" | 20:45 |
| neostrider | the game is quite simple indeed | 20:45 |
| neostrider | there is no usability issues at all | 20:46 |
| neostrider | just "press ok to play or escape at anytime to exit" | 20:46 |
| konttori | Sounds like a really nice one. Do you have current screenshots? | 20:46 |
| neostrider | sure | 20:46 |
| neostrider | I have indeed a .deb | 20:46 |
| konttori | Do you use the pen to steer? | 20:46 |
| neostrider | but I wouldnt recommend it yet | 20:46 |
| neostrider | no | 20:46 |
| neostrider | the rocker | 20:46 |
| neostrider | its simpler | 20:46 |
| neostrider | but thats a good idea... | 20:47 |
| konttori | I feel that the rocker is such a poor design in n800. | 20:47 |
| neostrider | http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/angstron-major-optimizations/ | 20:47 |
| neostrider | yeah..the 770 is a bit better, I guess | 20:47 |
| konttori | I think so too. | 20:47 |
| neostrider | (never ever touched a n800 ,but as with the pictures...) | 20:47 |
| konttori | All the buttons in 770 are better than in n800. | 20:47 |
| neostrider | even more for a game developer | 20:47 |
| neostrider | I guess the "smooth body" design of the n800 makes it poor for fast action games | 20:48 |
| neostrider | its harder to find the keys | 20:48 |
| neostrider | older pictures: http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/angstron-alpha-2-on-its-way/ | 20:48 |
| konttori | it looks pretty cool. Does it do over 15 fps? | 20:49 |
| neostrider | not even nearly that heheh | 20:50 |
| neostrider | I get (what I think its) 7 fps on best cases | 20:50 |
| neostrider | but it is playable | 20:50 |
| neostrider | (the game its self is already very hard on a 1Ghz desktop system, with no speed issues!) | 20:51 |
| neostrider | (to test the later levels, I had to cheat) | 20:51 |
| neostrider | but on the other hand | 20:57 |
| neostrider | that is a multi purpose game engine | 20:57 |
| neostrider | its not "optimized for doing TRON 3D games" | 20:57 |
| neostrider | indeed Im working on a "FIRST PERSON SNIPER GAME" | 20:58 |
| neostrider | and a RPG | 20:58 |
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| sbaturzio | is it possible to enable usb network on an N800 with default kernel? | 21:08 |
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| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, yes | 21:12 |
| sbaturzio | so this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html must be updated | 21:13 |
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| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, whet's wrong ? | 21:16 |
| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, what's wrong ? | 21:16 |
| sbaturzio | it tells: "In order to use USB networking on your device, you need to have a development root filesystem flashed into it." | 21:16 |
| Tahitibob | You're right | 21:17 |
| Tahitibob | and some things are missing : load the g_ether.ko module | 21:18 |
| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, the wiki is up-to-date | 21:19 |
| sbaturzio | now I'm following this howto: "http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/" and seems much better :-) | 21:19 |
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| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, I followed this too | 21:23 |
| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, and I uses the useful script provided here : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/ | 21:23 |
| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, to stop/start the usbnet network | 21:24 |
| sbaturzio | yes, that script seems ver useful | 21:26 |
| sbaturzio | now we need only a .desktop file to include them on menu :-) | 21:26 |
| keesj | UKMP looks sexy | 21:27 |
| Tahitibob | With IDEA, You can add cutom shortcuts on the desktop | 21:27 |
| Tahitibob | sbaturzio, but menu entries are nicer | 21:28 |
| keesj | is ther a toc trick for the new wiki? | 21:29 |
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| konttori | keesj: Glad to hear you like it. | 21:59 |
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| konttori | keesj: Did you test it out? | 22:06 |
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| * cesman is away: Gone away for now. | 22:19 | |
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| keesj | konttori: not yet | 22:26 |
| keesj | My collection is not very well organized ... | 22:27 |
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| keesj | I am so happy with my mmc based rootfs! it totaly changes the way I think about maemo devices | 22:33 |
| keesj | konttori: you are right the dark skin looks better! | 22:36 |
| keesj | and this is python + gtk? | 22:36 |
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| konttori | yeah. python + sdl. | 22:39 |
| keesj | ok sdl.. | 22:40 |
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| konttori | I'll try to have a look at the light skin to make it look a bit better. | 22:40 |
| konttori | ukmp will orgamize your music automatically. | 22:41 |
| konttori | It reads the id3 tags and sorts them by album. | 22:41 |
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| melmoth | konttori: any ogg vorbis support on the roadmap ? :) | 22:44 |
| konttori | sure. | 22:45 |
| konttori | Hmm... Might even be possible in the very near term. | 22:45 |
| konttori | I've already kind of pre-tested it, so it's not that far away. | 22:46 |
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| melmoth | \o/ great ;) | 22:49 |
| konttori | I just don't use ogg, so it hasn't been priority to me | 22:49 |
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| konttori | Oh, I would just need to know the ogg sink name and installation stuff for testing. | 22:58 |
| zuh | There's no "ogg sink", only parser for the ogg format (it's a container) and decoders for the stuff inside (theora/vorbis/whatever) | 23:00 |
| zuh | Or I guess parser==demuxer more accurately | 23:00 |
| konttori | Umm... So can I then pass it to dspmp3sink? | 23:01 |
| zuh | tremor (the integer-only decoder for vorbis, the fastest one) IIRC does both though. | 23:01 |
| zuh | To dsppcmsink | 23:02 |
| zuh | dspmp3sink only handles mp3 AFAIK | 23:02 |
| konttori | Yeah. makes sense. I was just looking at barbieris python player and it seemed to use dspmp3 for both. | 23:03 |
| konttori | OTOH, I haven't tested it, so it might not work | 23:03 |
| konttori | http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/eagle/examples/player-maemo.py | 23:03 |
| konttori | Ok, i'll try asking kulve tomorrow | 23:08 |
| k-s | konttori: that's mine, what's up? | 23:08 |
| konttori | He seems to be the author of the ogg komponents | 23:08 |
| zuh | Yeah, he made the debs | 23:09 |
| konttori | Oh, just thinking of adding ogg support to ukmp | 23:09 |
| k-s | konttori: is it gst or what? | 23:09 |
| konttori | Just wondering how I should build the gst player | 23:09 |
| konttori | yeah | 23:09 |
| k-s | just create another pipeline | 23:09 |
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| konttori | Like, e.g. pipeline call for that would be nice. | 23:09 |
| k-s | unfortunately you can't use playbin or decodebin :-( | 23:10 |
| konttori | as in: self.player = gst.parse_launch( "gnomevfssrc name=source ! dsppcmsink name=sink" ) -> to somerhing that playes ogg ;) | 23:10 |
| k-s | ah | 23:10 |
| zuh | Add "tremor" in between | 23:10 |
| zuh | that'll do it | 23:10 |
| k-s | maybe you should use tremor and add to some sink, like esd or pcmsink | 23:10 |
| konttori | Really? I don't have to take any callbacks from it, do I? | 23:10 |
| konttori | Like this: gnomevfssrc name=source ! tremor name=decoder ! dsppcmsink name=sink | 23:11 |
| k-s | konttori: no, why should you? | 23:11 |
| konttori | Just wondering | 23:11 |
| k-s | i think that something like you suggested is fine | 23:11 |
| konttori | but cool that I don't have to! | 23:12 |
| k-s | you can pollute it with some queue and other things, but basically it's that | 23:12 |
| konttori | ok. cool stuff | 23:12 |
| k-s | you can ask bilboed or some other gst hackers that hang around | 23:12 |
| k-s | konttori: I'd go with mplayer myself :-P | 23:12 |
| k-s | http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/maemo/catota/ | 23:13 |
| k-s | code is there to handle things | 23:13 |
| k-s | it's an example GTK ui | 23:13 |
| konttori | for mplayer? | 23:13 |
| k-s | yep | 23:13 |
| k-s | it's an experiment (catota means "snot" in pt_BR) | 23:14 |
| konttori | very interesting | 23:14 |
| konttori | But, I'd like music player to stay just that: music player. | 23:14 |
| k-s | konttori: ok, mplayer can play music just fine | 23:15 |
| konttori | So, I thik your ogg libs are wonderfull for that. | 23:15 |
| k-s | and manage playlists and play ogg, wma and everything you can compile in it | 23:15 |
| konttori | indeed. It's a wonderful program | 23:16 |
| konttori | How come ogg support is 1.9 megs? Quite a lot. | 23:18 |
| konttori | Is it full of precompilation tables? | 23:19 |
| konttori | precompiled lookup tables | 23:19 |
| suihkulo1ki | accidentally left unstripped? | 23:22 |
| konttori | sweet. Ogg works now. | 23:27 |
| konttori | ok, but my test song sucks so deep. | 23:27 |
| konttori | Have - to - stop - it | 23:27 |
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| suihkulo1ki | konttori: free software song? | 23:29 |
| roope | olen omena. olen pyöreä omeena. | 23:30 |
| konttori | Nope. I don't remember where I got the song | 23:30 |
| konttori | never heard | 23:30 |
| konttori | link perhaps? | 23:30 |
| osfameron | zuh: thanks, checking | 23:30 |
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| mhzhu | AFAIK, some companys build their products based on Hildon framework and don't open their source code now . eg: the MIDINUX. What can I do with them ? | 23:39 |
| mhzhu | I think the maemo community need do sth ... | 23:39 |
| k-s | mhzhu: have them to cry... eheheh | 23:41 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 23:43 |
| nomis | mhzhu: do they ship Midinux already? | 23:43 |
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| mhzhu | not yet now , I saw MiDINUX in IDF. The MIDLINUX is the product of Red Flag Software , and the Red Flag Software has vilotaed GPL before . | 23:47 |
| nomis | mhzhu: however, there is nothing to complain about if they don't distribute it. | 23:48 |
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| nomis | the (L)GPL only kicks in if they ship their product with (L)GPL components. | 23:49 |
| konttori | all right. ukmp has now sweet support for ogg | 23:50 |
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| mhzhu | oh , I see. But if they don't open the source code when they distribute the MIDLINUX. What can the community of maemo.org do ? | 23:51 |
| mhzhu | In deed, I don't believe Red Flag Software, they has vilotaed GPL many times | 23:52 |
| suihkulo1ki | mhzhu: GPL just states that if you give someone a binary, you have to give hime/her the source as well | 23:52 |
| suihkulo1ki | mhzhu: do you have MIDLINUX binaries= | 23:53 |
| suihkulo1ki | ? | 23:53 |
| nomis | mhzhu: there are two parties that can sue: the original authors and/or someone who got the midilinux binaries and got no sourcecode on request. | 23:53 |
| nomis | redflag is not obligued to make their version of the sources available to *everybody* | 23:54 |
| mhzhu | I see. My boss give me a demo of MIDLINUX for testing , not product. They said the MIDLINUX will be shiped in the later of 2007. | 23:56 |
| tko | only to anyone who can present the gpl offer | 23:56 |
| mhzhu | I asked red-flag for the source code but no reply. I hope the redflag will open the source code to their consumer | 23:56 |
| nomis | mhzhu: actually you'd probably have to ask your boss :) | 23:57 |
| nomis | (since he distributed the software to you...) | 23:57 |
| nomis | and if he got that from redflag he should have gotten a written offer for the sourcecode. | 23:57 |
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| suihkulo1ki | mhzhu: mhm yeah, since you have the binaries, you can definetly demand sources from them | 23:59 |
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