| X-Fade | Hmm if you look closely at the picture, a lot of test points are also dented.. | 00:00 |
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| GuySoft | um, does anyone know of an irc channel of the openzaurus/embeded linux community? | 01:00 |
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| GuySoft | is there no other linux pda comunity? | 01:44 |
| gla55 | zaurus perhaps | 01:46 |
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| Yaco2 | Hi! | 02:01 |
| Yaco2 | im trying to run Gameboy Advance roms in my Nokia 770 | 02:01 |
| Yaco2 | dows anybody have experience in this issue? | 02:02 |
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| Yaco2 | hello! | 02:12 |
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| maddler | Yaco2: hello... | 02:19 |
| Yaco2 | hi! | 02:21 |
| Yaco2 | maddler, im trying to run Gameboy Advance roms in my Nokia 77 | 02:21 |
| Yaco2 | have experience in this issue | 02:21 |
| Yaco2 | ? | 02:22 |
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| trevarthan | Is there a gui compression tool for maemo? | 02:30 |
| trevarthan | Or... Decompression at least? | 02:32 |
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| Yaco2 | unzip | 02:48 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 02:50 |
| Yaco2 | hello neostrider | 02:53 |
| trevarthan | Yavo2: need bzip2 | 02:53 |
| Yaco2 | oh, maybe is a dependece of mc | 02:53 |
| neostrider | whats going on? | 02:54 |
| Yaco2 | im experimenting with console emulators | 02:54 |
| Yaco2 | VBA is just veeeeeeeeeeery slow on 770 | 02:54 |
| neostrider | VBA? | 02:54 |
| Yaco2 | Visual Boy Advance = GameBoy Advance Emulator | 02:55 |
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| neostrider | i thought so... | 03:03 |
| unique311 | neo, tried out gimp | 03:03 |
| unique311 | i couldn't get it to work..and to think i compiled the danm thing.. | 03:03 |
| neostrider | i couldnt test it yet | 03:04 |
| neostrider | solving a memory leak on my code | 03:04 |
| unique311 | k | 03:05 |
| unique311 | im about to rock some classic genesis games... | 03:05 |
| neostrider | what?!? | 03:06 |
| neostrider | which? | 03:06 |
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| unique311 | sonic the hedgehog.. | 03:06 |
| unique311 | i updated my hackintosh today.. | 03:06 |
| unique311 | and to my amazing alot of stuff was fixed with this upgrade... | 03:07 |
| unique311 | so going to see how well emulators do on it | 03:07 |
| unique311 | hackintosh= regular x86 pc running osx for intelmacs.. | 03:07 |
| neostrider | pirated? | 03:09 |
| unique311 | no | 03:09 |
| unique311 | dont say that word.. | 03:09 |
| unique311 | so harsh... | 03:09 |
| unique311 | just borrowed for testing | 03:10 |
| unique311 | heh | 03:10 |
| neostrider | "unauthorized"? | 03:10 |
| neostrider | hahaha | 03:10 |
| neostrider | ok ok | 03:10 |
| unique311 | don't ay that word either | 03:10 |
| unique311 | unknowing by apple.... | 03:11 |
| neostrider | nice hehehe | 03:11 |
| neostrider | runs ok? | 03:11 |
| unique311 | runs stable | 03:15 |
| unique311 | besides my res being 1024x768 | 03:15 |
| unique311 | i don't mind.. | 03:15 |
| unique311 | been running osx86 for a year now i think.... | 03:15 |
| unique311 | 10.4.3 to 10.4.9 | 03:16 |
| neostrider | cool | 03:18 |
| neostrider | and how about its limited GUI? | 03:18 |
| neostrider | how did you overcame that serious glitch? | 03:18 |
| unique311 | its not limited... | 03:18 |
| unique311 | on my desktop i do 1500x1400...which is coold for apps like photoshop and illustrator.. | 03:19 |
| unique311 | 1024x768 is not bad at all.. | 03:19 |
| unique311 | most apps that is a minimum | 03:19 |
| neostrider | no no...you didnt get it | 03:20 |
| neostrider | i mean its usability | 03:20 |
| unique311 | limited gui | 03:20 |
| neostrider | yeah... | 03:21 |
| unique311 | usability is awesome..i want a mac in my life..but too cheap to get one.. | 03:21 |
| neostrider | I want a mac running gnome... | 03:21 |
| neostrider | hahahha | 03:21 |
| neostrider | =-P | 03:21 |
| neostrider | im leaving, man | 03:21 |
| unique311 | well thats easy.. | 03:21 |
| neostrider | talk to you later =-) | 03:21 |
| unique311 | k | 03:21 |
| unique311 | lates | 03:21 |
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| trevarthan | How do I use the gnome-vfs plugin for sftp/smb? | 03:40 |
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| GuySoft | hi, um, does the nokia n800 have handwriting recongnision? | 03:46 |
| trevarthan | Do i have to install gpe after the vfs? It says sftp:// is an invalid protocol. | 03:46 |
| trevarthan | GuySoft: yeah, but very basic. | 03:47 |
| trevarthan | One char at a time. | 03:48 |
| GuySoft | what is basic about it? is it like the palm's grafiti 1? | 03:48 |
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| trevarthan | You can't get ahead of it. | 03:49 |
| GuySoft | what do you meen 'ahead'? | 03:50 |
| trevarthan | One char at a time. Try to go faster than it recognizes and it'll try to merge two chars. | 03:51 |
| GuySoft | shouldent eatch char be one kestroke? | 03:52 |
| trevarthan | Finger keyboard and pen are faster. | 03:52 |
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| GuySoft | so its worse than the old palmOS devices.. | 03:52 |
| trevarthan | Uh.... Maybe that's my prob. I assumed it was a multi stroke recognizer. | 03:53 |
| trevarthan | I'll have to do the tutorial and find out. | 03:54 |
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| GuySoft | well you need to see the ABC style of the device.. in palmOS you had one stroke per char, exept X.. i find it pretty fast | 03:55 |
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| trevarthan | Tutorial says it's mulristroke. Just npt the best. Single stroke works better. Thumb keyboard is still faster, trust me. | 03:58 |
| trevarthan | Typing with thumbs now. Sometimes I miss. Thats wwhy my spelling is bad. | 03:59 |
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| GuySoft | trevarthan: your on your nokia now? | 04:03 |
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| trevarthan | Yeah | 04:13 |
| trevarthan | Brb | 04:13 |
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| GuySoft | gtg | 04:19 |
| GuySoft | if he comes back looking for me, tell him ill seem him some other time, and thanks! | 04:20 |
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| ryanfaerman | Does everyone here have a nokia internet tablet? | 04:27 |
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| robtaylor | ryanfaerman: most everyone, i expect | 04:32 |
| ryanfaerman | I am debating on purchasing the n800 | 04:33 |
| ryanfaerman | I have a 3g phone, for when wifi is not available, but wondering how much most people actually use it | 04:33 |
| ryanfaerman | Of course, you all probably use it alot, since you are part of the OS community. | 04:33 |
| robtaylor | ryanfaerman: well,i pretty much only code for it, i'm not a huge user as i don't like carrying it round with me | 04:34 |
| ryanfaerman | how come? | 04:35 |
| robtaylor | ryanfaerman: mainly cos i don'twant to loose it/have it stolen, itd impact my work | 04:37 |
| ryanfaerman | ah, gotcha. | 04:37 |
| ryanfaerman | so you got a device, and program for a device,that you don't use very much because you don't want to slow down your work on it? | 04:38 |
| ryanfaerman | :P | 04:38 |
| ryanfaerman | is it worth purchasing? | 04:39 |
| robtaylor | depends if you generally have the pocket space for it and your phone | 04:41 |
| ryanfaerman | i do. I generally wear a scott-e-vest | 04:41 |
| trevarthan | I think robtaylor gets paid ffor it. | 04:41 |
| ryanfaerman | ah, | 04:41 |
| * robtaylor couldn't possibly say | 04:42 | |
| ryanfaerman | one thing I am concered with | 04:42 |
| ryanfaerman | is the typing | 04:42 |
| trevarthan | I like mine so far. Had it a few days. | 04:42 |
| robtaylor | its actually suprisingly fast | 04:42 |
| robtaylor | it sucks for bash though | 04:42 |
| ryanfaerman | I would imagine | 04:42 |
| trevarthan | Thumbs are cool. Bash slow. | 04:43 |
| robtaylor | but with the predictive text writing is really pretty quick. maybe better than handwriting speeds | 04:43 |
| ryanfaerman | the demo I was playing with was rather lame, as nothing internet woked | 04:43 |
| ryanfaerman | worked* | 04:43 |
| robtaylor | (at least, better than my handwriting speed, but i never handwrite) | 04:43 |
| ryanfaerman | I don't write clear enough for hand writing recognitions to work | 04:44 |
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| robtaylor | well, its 2:45 here,time for bed | 04:45 |
| robtaylor | night | 04:45 |
| ryanfaerman | gnite | 04:45 |
| trevarthan | I use for web browsing from the couch, IM, email, and some SSH. Works pretty damn good for that. Been using PIM apps more lately and like them a lot too. | 04:46 |
| * ryanfaerman has a macbook pro | 04:46 | |
| ryanfaerman | Thing is... with a laptop and this... trying to think how much I would really use it | 04:46 |
| ryanfaerman | I've a PocketPC (Dell Axim) | 04:47 |
| ryanfaerman | a Palm (Tapwave Zodiac) | 04:47 |
| ryanfaerman | i don't use either | 04:47 |
| trevarthan | Then it's only worth it if you don't want to lug around the mac.. Or prefer to browse the web on yyour back. | 04:48 |
| trevarthan | Or you're just a linux geek. It's pretty cool seeing linux on something this small. | 04:49 |
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| ryanfaerman | I am a linux geek | 04:52 |
| ryanfaerman | mac and linux :P | 04:52 |
| ryanfaerman | trevarthan: have you used the bluetooth on it much? | 04:54 |
| trevarthan | You might like it then. I'm doing my best to use mine as a laptop replacement. So far it's going well. Only gripe is how hard it is to get a good price on a portable bluetooth kb. | 04:55 |
| ryanfaerman | does it support a mouse too? | 04:55 |
| trevarthan | A bit. What profile? | 04:55 |
| ryanfaerman | phone | 04:55 |
| trevarthan | HID. Probably not though. No cursor. | 04:56 |
| ryanfaerman | ah, right | 04:56 |
| trevarthan | Dialup? | 04:56 |
| ryanfaerman | Nope | 04:56 |
| ryanfaerman | i have wireless broadband on my cell | 04:57 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. I think thats tthe dia;up profi;e. No. Havent used it. | 04:57 |
| trevarthan | I still suck at thumb kb. | 04:58 |
| ryanfaerman | how do you turn on the thumbKB ? | 04:59 |
| trevarthan | You tap an input field with thumb instead of pen. | 05:00 |
| ryanfaerman | it realizes the difference? | 05:01 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. Slick. | 05:02 |
| trevarthan | Video playback is nice too. I still need to install mythtv plugin though. | 05:03 |
| ryanfaerman | how is the battery life? | 05:05 |
| trevarthan | Pretty good. Been using since 7. It's 10 now. Have screen on low setting though. Usually less time. | 05:07 |
| ryanfaerman | and it works with skype? | 05:07 |
| trevarthan | Don't think yet. Supposedly later this year. | 05:08 |
| ryanfaerman | ah, | 05:08 |
| ryanfaerman | so what does it use for its voip? | 05:08 |
| ryanfaerman | gtalk, yes? | 05:08 |
| trevarthan | Dunno. Haven't Tried yet. Couple of clients though. Use my cell for that. | 05:09 |
| ryanfaerman | true | 05:09 |
| trevarthan | Great for meetings, or browsing privately without others looking over your shoulder im cubicle land. | 05:10 |
| ryanfaerman | i would imagine | 05:10 |
| trevarthan | Claws makes a fine imap client too. Wish the keys were bigger. But verry good still. | 05:12 |
| trevarthan | I think pidgin. Web. And maemopad are the killers though. | 05:13 |
| ryanfaerman | maemopad? | 05:13 |
| ryanfaerman | ie notepad? | 05:13 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, digital note pad/sketch pad. | 05:14 |
| trevarthan | I use a lot of paper pads otherwise. | 05:14 |
| ryanfaerman | does the pad "scroll" to let you draw more in the same document? | 05:14 |
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| trevarthan | Lemme check. | 05:16 |
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| trevarthan | No. But you can add a whole tree of child pages with two clicks. | 05:19 |
| ryanfaerman | kool | 05:19 |
| ryanfaerman | what pim are you using? | 05:19 |
| trevarthan | Gpe | 05:20 |
| trevarthan | Gpe-calendar is the only one i find useful. I use a flat file for tasks because i like to track completion dates. | 05:21 |
| ryanfaerman | have you tried moving files back and forth t your comptuer? | 05:21 |
| rwhitby | ryanfaerman: I use the gizmo client | 05:21 |
| ryanfaerman | rwhitby: can you call phones with that? | 05:21 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, i was just about to mention gizmo for sip but i haven't tested it yet. | 05:22 |
| trevarthan | I used obex once. Worked ok. Used sftp just now. More painful. | 05:23 |
| ryanfaerman | uh huh. | 05:23 |
| ryanfaerman | I think I am going to get it. I really wnat to test it with my phone | 05:24 |
| ryanfaerman | I hope it works. | 05:24 |
| trevarthan | There is supposed to be a gnome-vfs plugin for sftp && smb but i can't get it to work with gpe-filemanager | 05:24 |
| ryanfaerman | not too worried, I have a SD card reader | 05:24 |
| trevarthan | Im sure it will. Dialup is common. | 05:25 |
| ryanfaerman | what do you mean by "dialup" | 05:25 |
| ryanfaerman | ah, my phone statement | 05:25 |
| trevarthan | Its a bt profile. | 05:25 |
| * ryanfaerman is being dense | 05:25 | |
| trevarthan | I think my biggest gripe is that there is no audible,com client. And no a2dp. | 05:26 |
| ryanfaerman | that's wireless headphones, yes? | 05:26 |
| trevarthan | Both of which can be solved with software, i think. But doesn't exist yet. | 05:27 |
| trevarthan | Yes. | 05:27 |
| ryanfaerman | cool, gizmo is 35 bucks a year for callin | 05:27 |
| ryanfaerman | and 1.9 cents call out | 05:28 |
| ryanfaerman | not bad | 05:28 |
| trevarthan | I think headset [mono] profile is due out later this year. So don't expect sip with a headset just yet. | 05:28 |
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| ryanfaerman | uh huh... but it has a wired headset, yes? | 05:28 |
| trevarthan | Comes with a wired pair though. | 05:29 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. | 05:29 |
| rwhitby | ryanfaerman: yeah, you can dial out at cost with gizmo | 05:29 |
| rwhitby | the speakerphone aspect works well with gizmo | 05:30 |
| rwhitby | (that's how i use it at home for work calls) | 05:30 |
| ryanfaerman | guys... I think you've sold me | 05:30 |
| trevarthan | Man, this is the energizer battery. Incredible. | 05:30 |
| rwhitby | ryanfaerman: I bought one about a week ago :-) | 05:31 |
| rwhitby | (I have a Treo650 as my main phone/PDA, and am also an openmoko developer and lead the nslu2-linux.org project) | 05:31 |
| trevarthan | Whitestork is cool too. Learning spanish. Helps. | 05:34 |
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| ryanfaerman | whitestork? | 05:42 |
| ryanfaerman | rwhitby: cool, I have been looing at openmoko | 05:42 |
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| unique311 | http://freshmeat.net/projects/lbrc/?branch_id=68433&release_id=253417 | 06:07 |
| unique311 | can somebody run this src in scratchbox and see if it will compile... | 06:07 |
| unique311 | por favor.. | 06:07 |
| unique311 | its a bluetooth remote app | 06:07 |
| unique311 | nvm | 06:08 |
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| ryanfaerman | is there anywhere that lists compatible phones that work with the n800? | 06:21 |
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| sandman | Anyone here have experience with Maemo? | 06:29 |
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| unique311 | experience as in? | 06:33 |
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| bmidgley | i guess uboot was fixed... | 06:57 |
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| bmidgley | mokomake is past it now, building x | 06:57 |
| ryanfaerman | what is the input voltage and amperage to charge the n800? | 06:58 |
| * ryanfaerman doesn't have one yet, or else he would look himself | 06:58 | |
| bmidgley | 5v 890mA | 06:58 |
| ryanfaerman | blast. | 06:58 |
| ryanfaerman | I was gonna wireup a USB->charger adapter | 06:59 |
| ryanfaerman | but I would have to use two USB ports | 06:59 |
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| ryanfaerman | only 500mA per port, max | 06:59 |
| bmidgley | nokia has made a usb converter | 06:59 |
| bmidgley | not sure what the trick is | 06:59 |
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| * ryanfaerman this thinking... inductor | 06:59 | |
| bmidgley | I haven't seen it for sale anywhere | 06:59 |
| ryanfaerman | I think I can design one. | 07:00 |
| ryanfaerman | I have some stuff, I'll experiment and get back to yous | 07:00 |
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| sandman_ | Well, I've been trying to work with ext3, but have been running into problems... if any of you have experienced something similar, I'd like to discuss this | 07:33 |
| sandman_ | I can mkfs.ext3, load the appropriate modules, etc... it's when I work with the filesystem that I run into trouble. | 07:33 |
| sandman_ | It seems to corrupt itself and such. | 07:33 |
| dolske | Hmm, I just use a cheapo USB->Nokia adaptor I got on Ebay for charging. Works fine. | 07:35 |
| bmidgley | dolske: is it the one that has the useless n90 phone connector on it? | 08:00 |
| dolske | No, it's just a retractable cable thing, USB plug on one end and n800-style plug on the other. | 08:01 |
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| saispo | hi | 09:45 |
| saispo | anyone use 770-encod.pl ? i have no sound when i encode a xvid | 09:45 |
| saispo | anyone have an idea ? | 09:46 |
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| keesj | grrrrrrrrrr | 10:53 |
| keesj | apt-get remove lua -> bla bla lua will be remove and wxlua will be installed -> error wxlua overrides /usr/bin/lua | 10:54 |
| keesj | brainless system | 10:55 |
| koen | sounds like crappy packaging | 11:03 |
| keesj | I did a wrong package but still I want to remove lua and it starts installing wxlua | 11:03 |
| keesj | then fails. | 11:04 |
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| keesj | it's probabely a probleem between keyboard and chair | 11:12 |
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| inz | keesj, remove also the package(s) that depend on lua | 11:43 |
| keesj | inz thanks . yes that was the solution, | 11:43 |
| keesj | Now I am going to flash again to test if all works well. so if anybody else wan't to test on a "clean" device.. | 11:44 |
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| keesj | I is a free day in holland , is it the same in other places? | 13:43 |
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| kulve | in finland at least | 13:47 |
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| kulve | keesj: I have the flash for "stable" stuff. First partition of mmc is normal vfat, second is my "dev fs" (ext3) and the third partition is "fresh fs" (ext3). I use the "fresh fs" if I want to test something on a clean device. This way I don't need to flash my device too often and I should always have a working system even if my "dev fs" gets screwed up. I use the boot menu to select between the three | 14:36 |
| keesj | kulve: I really need to start doing the same. | 14:37 |
| keesj | would that also work on the 770 for switching between hackerOS and it2006? | 14:37 |
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| kulve | maybe not. I can change only the rootfs, the initfs stays the same | 14:39 |
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| karnhack | ciao | 14:49 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 15:00 |
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| e-voc | hello | 15:03 |
| e-voc | how can i add maemo app catalog to the program manager of my n770? | 15:04 |
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| kulve | you can't (afaik) | 15:06 |
| e-voc | oh | 15:06 |
| kulve | you can add only APT repositories | 15:06 |
| e-voc | ic | 15:06 |
| kulve | the app catalog is just www-based | 15:06 |
| e-voc | so i download the files and install them manually right? | 15:06 |
| kulve | I think most of the stuff in app catalog is found in different repositories | 15:06 |
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| kulve | e-voc: yes. Or if it has the "single click install", it will add the repo and then install it from there using the appliaction manager | 15:07 |
| kulve | I'm off | 15:07 |
| e-voc | i just flashed it with rd mode, now i need xterm and sshd | 15:07 |
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| kulve | e-voc: rd mode doesn't need reflashing, only the setting with flasher (just in case you flashed the whole thing :). And I haven't needed the rd mode for anything. For me it's enough that you can ssh in with as root | 15:39 |
| e-voc | what's the red pill mode? | 15:39 |
| kulve | a mode where the applicaton manager chooses to install any armel debian package. In normal mode (blue pill) the Section has to be user/something | 15:40 |
| e-voc | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh | 15:40 |
| kulve | you can install dropbear-{server,client} in bluepill mode.. | 15:40 |
| e-voc | and how do i activate it? | 15:40 |
| e-voc | the program managet told me dropbear is not compatible | 15:41 |
| kulve | that's weird. Where did you try to install it from? | 15:42 |
| kulve | blue pill mode is the default mode. | 15:42 |
| e-voc | http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html | 15:42 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 15:42 |
| kulve | don't install from "normal" repositories | 15:42 |
| e-voc | oh | 15:42 |
| e-voc | ok | 15:42 |
| kulve | and don't use the red pill mode, unless you know what you are doing | 15:43 |
| e-voc | ok :) | 15:43 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ | 15:43 |
| e-voc | is there a way to have more memory for the n770? | 15:44 |
| gla55 | besides swap, no | 15:44 |
| e-voc | :\ | 15:44 |
| gla55 | buy a n800 | 15:45 |
| e-voc | ya maybe... | 15:45 |
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| GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to emulate maemo on linux, so i can see how the system looks like before i go and get a nokia n800? like a VM or emulator? | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | not really | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | there's a development environment, but you won't get to try out the closed nokia apps in it | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | look on maemo.org | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | it's called scratchbox | 15:55 |
| GuySoft | well i want to see the open source apps really, for example 'stars' and see if i can get other things running | 15:56 |
| GuySoft | i am just googling and found 'live mamo' is that good? | 15:57 |
| kulve | GuySoft: with SB (scratchbox) you can run both arm and x86 binaries and you will have the proper hildon themeing etc. But I prefer to compile in SB and run on the device. Much easier | 15:57 |
| kulve | but e.g. speed is totally different when run in SB | 15:57 |
| kulve | so to see how something really works, you have to run it on the device | 15:58 |
| kulve | GuySoft: I'm not sure what "live maemo" is, but at least there's a vmware image which should have everything set up | 15:58 |
| GuySoft | live mamo is a iso image.. i can run it off qemu and find out | 15:59 |
| kulve | url? | 15:59 |
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| GuySoft | kulve: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/LiveCD | 16:02 |
| kulve | "Note: This appears to only be for Maemo 1.1" | 16:03 |
| kulve | *old* | 16:03 |
| GuySoft | how old? | 16:03 |
| GuySoft | i just want to see how the apps look like, maybe have a look at the input, if posible | 16:04 |
| GuySoft | input interface* | 16:04 |
| kulve | that's probably too old for anything.. | 16:04 |
| kulve | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 16:04 |
| kulve | that's a bit newer (for n800, bora 3.0 (not 3.1 which is the newset)) | 16:04 |
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| e-voc | SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin looks nice | 16:47 |
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| k-s[WORK] | jamey: ping | 17:05 |
| k-s[WORK] | anyone managed to run oprofile or gprof in n800? | 17:07 |
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| geoffeg | So which third-party email client should I use. There's slypheed (or however it's spelled).. and claws-mail.. and.... | 17:12 |
| kulve | I would use pine. But I've heard that claws-mail could be something you might want to try out | 17:14 |
| kulve | ssh+pine | 17:14 |
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| geoffeg | something more guiish would be good for the tablet interface i would think | 17:20 |
| * mgedmin suggests s/pine/mutt/ | 17:20 | |
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| kulve | geoffeg: can be (good ui should be better than text based on a device like that). I haven't tried how google mail works.. | 17:25 |
| kulve | but, like I said, claws-mail seem to be active project. | 17:25 |
| geoffeg | thanks | 17:27 |
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| keesj | where could I find information about the debian/*.install files what program uses it? | 17:36 |
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| kulve | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 17:39 |
| keesj | kulve: I did not find it in there | 17:40 |
| kulve | debian/<package-name>.install file lists files to be put in the package (without the first /) | 17:40 |
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| kulve | <package-name> is the name listed in debian/control -file | 17:41 |
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| keesj | my -dev package includes subdirs in usr/include but does not to the same for subdirs in /usr/lib | 17:45 |
| kulve | I think the normal stuff for .install files are: | 17:47 |
| kulve | cat libpackage1.install | 17:47 |
| kulve | /usr/lib/libpackage*.so.* | 17:47 |
| kulve | cat libpackage-dev.install | 17:47 |
| kulve | usr/lib/libpackage*.so | 17:47 |
| kulve | usr/include/package | 17:47 |
| kulve | usr/lib/pkgconfig/package.pc | 17:47 |
| keesj | but can/must I do usr/share/locale/*/* | 17:48 |
| kulve | putting just "usr/include" would include everything under that | 17:48 |
| kulve | "usr/share/locale/" should include all under it | 17:48 |
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| keesj | thanks, back to rebuild :p | 17:51 |
| kulve | this is how I usually do things: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/debian/?root=kilikali | 17:52 |
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| keesj | I tried kilikal btw | 17:57 |
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| kulve | did it work? :) | 17:57 |
| keesj | it did work. | 17:58 |
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| kulve | good | 18:00 |
| keesj | it' still quite small. I guess it uses the same stuff as the other music tools? | 18:00 |
| kulve | it uses gstreamer, if that's what you mean | 18:01 |
| keesj | I guess so | 18:01 |
| keesj | all the programs I try don't play nice with gmediaserver | 18:02 |
| kulve | gstreamer is quite common media framework on any linux, including the IT200x. So it's there already and kilikali just uses it. | 18:02 |
| kulve | keesj: try ushare. For me it seems to work better than the gmediaserver | 18:03 |
| keesj | I am still learning gstreamer, I want to play with the webcam | 18:03 |
| kulve | the basic cases are *very* simple. But if you want something specific, then you need to know some details.. | 18:03 |
| kulve | gst-launch is a good for trying out stuff.. | 18:04 |
| kulve | from the command line. With a few words, you get the n800 camera image on the screen.. | 18:04 |
| b0unc3 | I'm just trying to stream webcam video with farsight... without success at the moment ;( | 18:06 |
| keesj | I was just trying to get lasertraq working , I want to create some webcam games | 18:08 |
| keesj | if you have a simple v4l2src | screen example to use with gst-launch I would not mind getting it :p | 18:09 |
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| kulve | gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! xvimagesink | 18:11 |
| kulve | or if you want the camera rotation: gst-launch-0.10 gconfv4l2src ! xvimagesink | 18:12 |
| keesj | You just really need to change the icons of the kilikali app. it's a good open source replacement of the default player I think | 18:17 |
| kulve | what's wrong with the icons? :) | 18:18 |
| kulve | hmm. do you mean the play/stop etc? Or the kilikali icon? | 18:18 |
| keesj | perhaps the buttons can also be bigger so I can use my finders | 18:18 |
| kulve | yeah | 18:18 |
| keesj | the double arrow to switch between volume and controls | 18:18 |
| kulve | according to zuh the buttons are useless, since every would be using the devices hard keys.. | 18:19 |
| kulve | yeah, that icon is a bit mess.. | 18:19 |
| keesj | but are they supposed to work then? | 18:19 |
| jamey | k-s[WORK], I have oprofile running in n800. You need a new zImage and initfs and oprofile. | 18:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: ok, I have zImage with oprofile compiled in, so no need for initfs (right?) | 18:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: where you got your oprofile userspace daemon/scripts? | 18:24 |
| jamey | k-s[WORK], what I found was that the modules compiled with the kernel compiled with CONFIG_PROFILING disabled would not load in a kernel compiled with it enabled | 18:24 |
| jamey | so I had to rebuild the wlan modules also | 18:24 |
| jamey | I used mainstream oprofile plus arm11 patches | 18:25 |
| jamey | I'll see if I can build a .deb | 18:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: I have one here, but I didn't know where people find... it may be broken and the problem... trying to build it in scratchbox leads to errors due missing binutils dev pkgs | 18:25 |
| jamey | yes, it needed libbfd, so I built that also. | 18:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: could you put your zImage, initfs and oprofile debs somewhere? | 18:26 |
| jamey | I will do so | 18:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: thanks! | 18:27 |
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| k-s[WORK] | jamey: I'll go for lunch, brb | 18:31 |
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| kulve | keesj: I haven't really even tried the hw keys.. | 18:33 |
| kulve | keesj: feel free to report bugs/feature requests. They will be reacted on :) | 18:35 |
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| geoffeg | claws-mail ain't bad | 18:46 |
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| jamey | k-s[AWAY_WORK], build oprofile deb, off to lunch also | 18:50 |
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| keesj | mgedmin: the ssh install fails for some reason on my machine | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | "some reason" may be visible in the menu (Tools -> Log...) | 19:21 |
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| keesj | apt-cache policy ssh gives something back but install fails | 19:21 |
| jamey | k-s[AWAY_WORK], oprofile armel deb is available via deb http://repository.nrcc.noklab.com/ bora extras | 19:22 |
| keesj | nope nothing in the lods (I am in red pill mode) | 19:22 |
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| keesj | it worked yesterday :p | 19:23 |
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| keesj | mgedmin: I installed dropbear. the install message is E: Couldn't find package ssl | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | I know nothing about dropbear | 19:32 |
| keesj | the error message from installing ssh from the command line as root after beroming root by using dropbear | 19:33 |
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| keesj | yep , ssl is missing, where should it be downloaded from (what does apt-cache policy say) | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 19:36 |
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| mgedmin | no 'ssl' package here | 19:36 |
| keesj | I had to first install openssl | 19:36 |
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| mgedmin | ssh 1:3.8p1-3osso7 from repository.maemo.org doesn't depend on ssl | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | although it wants libssl0.9.7 that I got from the same repository | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | which ssh version do you see with apt-cache policy ? | 19:38 |
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| MishaS | ssl should be part of the device software... | 19:38 |
| keesj | 3.8p1-3osso7 | 19:38 |
| MishaS | (openssl) | 19:38 |
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| keesj | unpacking from ssh_1%3a3.8p1-3osso7 | 19:40 |
| keesj | MishaS: should as in wishfull thinking, or as is part of | 19:41 |
| MishaS | keesj: i believe some components depends on openssl | 19:41 |
| MishaS | for certificate handling and https | 19:41 |
| keesj | is it normal that the version is 1:3.8 note the ":" | 19:42 |
| keesj | ok I will reflash again then. | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | that's the epoch | 19:42 |
| ian_brasil__ | kulve: i am using the system init scripts to install ogg-support_0.2_armel.deb (using dpkg -i when the system boots....the home page says The codecs are inserted as dependencies...does this mean i need to have for example libvorbisdec0a ??...if so where can i get these debs so i can satisfy the dependencies | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | debian uses those when they need to reduce the version number but have it considered to be newer | 19:43 |
| * ian_brasil__ hopes you understand this | 19:43 | |
| keesj | I have installed it ian_brasil__ | 19:43 |
| MishaS | on my device: libssl0.9.7 is installed | 19:44 |
| keesj | ian_brasil__ I was something similar this week with the the dh_help 5 package of sbox | 19:44 |
| MishaS | (fyi: my device is n800: 2.2005.51-7) | 19:45 |
| ian_brasil__ | so a dpkg -i will work then?...it does not need any dependencies | 19:45 |
| kulve | ian_brasil__: dpkg doesn't install dependencies | 19:46 |
| kulve | apt-get does | 19:46 |
| keesj | I have just flashed with flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 19:47 |
| kulve | if you have network on the device, go to http://ogg.garage.maemo.org | 19:47 |
| kulve | and "Or click here for single click install." | 19:47 |
| MishaS | keesj: so yours is newer than mine :) | 19:47 |
| MishaS | keesj, where do you install ssh from? | 19:47 |
| ian_brasil__ | thx, i am developing in the SDK for now b4 going to the device | 19:48 |
| keesj | I am tring to use the maemo.org downloads single click install | 19:48 |
| kulve | ian_brasil__: but the application manager might not work, if you already tried with dpkg.. | 19:48 |
| ian_brasil__ | dpkg -i /home/user/apps/ogg-support_0.2_armel.deb | 19:48 |
| MishaS | kulve: after install ogg support like that, should media player be invoked for .ogg files? | 19:48 |
| kulve | MishaS: no | 19:49 |
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| keesj | thanks for the help. I will reflash an retry | 19:49 |
| kulve | the apps must tell, what mime types they know how to open, and most of the apps doesn't tell that they can play ogg | 19:49 |
| kulve | if you install kilikali, it will be opened for .oggs :) | 19:49 |
| ian_brasil__ | i am customising the desktop so videos and music oggs are available when system boots | 19:50 |
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| ian_brasil__ | by putting files in .videos and .sounds | 19:51 |
| MishaS | kulve: how then can i open .ogg files? :) | 19:51 |
| MishaS | media player has a very interesting interface... :) | 19:51 |
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| kulve | MishaS: yeah, the built-in player needs to first find the music with it's own time.. | 19:52 |
| ian_brasil__ | so ogg support needs to be enabled using an install script which sym links to system install scripts | 19:52 |
| kulve | MishaS: then it will show them. Pretty awful, imo | 19:52 |
| MishaS | keesj, just to make sure, you install http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh ? | 19:52 |
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| ian_brasil__ | maybe it is better to install kilikali then | 19:53 |
| dirty_harry | i just bought the n900 | 19:54 |
| dirty_harry | 800* | 19:54 |
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| MishaS | ryanfaerman, n800 turned dirty_harry into ryanfaerman? :) | 19:58 |
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| ryanfaerman | no, more like I just changed my nick to what it is supposed to be :D | 19:58 |
| keesj | I did it again(flash + install) and now it works , I will have to . | 20:00 |
| MishaS | keesj, but you had to enable pilled mode, no? | 20:00 |
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| keesj | yes, with red pil. I now first installed ssh , perhaps it was the order in I installed the apps | 20:02 |
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| MishaS | right. i just tried to install it and it 'could not find the application' | 20:03 |
| * MishaS . o O (behold the magic :)) | 20:03 | |
| * MishaS . o O (dirty harry turns into...) | 20:03 | |
| keesj | ubbernerd? | 20:05 |
| MishaS | last time it was ryan :) | 20:05 |
| MishaS | sorry... | 20:05 |
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| * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. | 21:02 | |
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| k-s[WORK] | jamey: ok, I'll check | 21:05 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: hum... missing binutils package | 21:07 |
| k-s[WORK] | jamey: or your .deb/packages is wrong | 21:08 |
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| unique311 | http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/105643/United_300.html | 21:16 |
| unique311 | very entertaining | 21:16 |
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| Jaffa | Re | 21:42 |
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| jamey | k-s[WORK], rebuilding without dependence on binutils | 22:03 |
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| k-s[WORK] | jamey: have you uploaded it? | 22:25 |
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| kennethd | thanks kulve, but nokia.com only has the windows exe, and points to maemo.org for linux users. I found the image + instructions @ http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529 | 22:38 |
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| TimRiker | what's in the n800 navigation kit? ie: how does it talk to the gps? | 22:40 |
| matt_c | TimRiker: Bluetooth? | 22:40 |
| TimRiker | that's what I'm wondering. | 22:40 |
| TimRiker | http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:NAVKIT,00.html | 22:41 |
| gla55 | bt dongle most likely | 22:41 |
| matt_c | I use a BT GPS with my N800 and S60 devices. | 22:41 |
| TimRiker | includes "Car charger which can be used with both GPS and the Nokia N800" | 22:41 |
| TimRiker | so I expect it is and BT device. | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | matt_c: what software do you use? | 22:42 |
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| matt_c | My little BT device charges via mini-usb and takes nokia-sized batteries which is kinda nice. | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | nice | 22:42 |
| matt_c | TimRiker: maemo mapper on the N800, TomTom on S60 | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | cool. | 22:43 |
| matt_c | I tried GPSDrive once but had issues downloading maps | 22:43 |
| matt_c | probably my fault though | 22:43 |
| MoRpHeUz | how much is a GPS bluetooth enabled ? | 22:44 |
| matt_c | MoRpHeUz: I grabbed a Holux 236 for about $100US on ebay, I've seen similar models for less (this was about a year to a year and a half ago) | 22:44 |
| gla55 | cheapest bt gps pucks probably start around 70-90$ | 22:44 |
| MoRpHeUz | great =) | 22:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | thanks | 22:45 |
| matt_c | I've been happy with mine, battery life is great, but I'd love to have something that does on-board logging too | 22:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | matt_c: are you using your gps with n800 ? (maemo mapper, etc. ?) | 22:45 |
| matt_c | MoRpHeUz: yes. | 22:46 |
| MoRpHeUz | =D | 22:46 |
| MoRpHeUz | btw, I'm still trying to find obdII in my renault clio | 22:47 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: when are you going to relesse | 22:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: gmyth ? | 22:51 |
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| trevarthan | Release a single click gmyth client installer? | 22:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: well, I can provide .deb's for you... | 22:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 22:51 |
| pyhimys | MoRpHeUz: http://www.e-tuning.co.uk/Tech%20Help/eculocations.htm | 22:51 |
| trevarthan | Whats the difference between single click and a .deb? | 22:52 |
| trevarthan | Isn't the single click just a cute text wrapper for .deb's? | 22:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | pyhimys: thanks! =) | 22:55 |
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| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: ow, ok, now I understand what you mean with "single click" hehe =) | 22:55 |
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| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: we are just finishing some bug fixes...then we would love to "open" it for tests making it easier to install (we are almost there) | 22:56 |
| trevarthan | Should I wait for that? Or dive right in? I'm familiar enough with the n800 that i was planning to give it a try this weekend. | 22:57 |
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| MoRpHeUz | pyhimys: great site! =D | 22:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: if you feel comfortable doing this tests go ahead =)...we have .deb's for gmyth and a couple of tools to test it... | 23:00 |
| trevarthan | Where do I get the deb's? | 23:01 |
| MoRpHeUz | if you setup mythtv to use low resolution videos, you should even be able to watch live-tv and recorded videos, otherwise you can use another approach.. | 23:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: you can install gmyth on the same pc as mythtv and also "gmyth-streamer" | 23:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | then you should be able to play the videos directly from mplayer on your n800 | 23:02 |
| trevarthan | So.... No n800 client? Just streaming? | 23:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: you have both approach's...depends on what you want =D | 23:05 |
| trevarthan | Souunds a lot like the old mythstreamtv mythweb plugin. | 23:05 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: the second method yes.. | 23:06 |
| MoRpHeUz | but mythstreamtv just worked with wmv/asf files | 23:06 |
| trevarthan | So you *do* have a client available? | 23:06 |
| MoRpHeUz | yes...like I said, you can choose from 2 approach's..... | 23:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | the point is that you can run the same client on n800 and on your pc.. | 23:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | but if you use dvb, you just can't play videos of that resolution on your n800, so you need to transcode it before... | 23:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | this is why method 2 exists (gmyth-streamer) | 23:08 |
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| trevarthan | Well, i thought youd have to transcode with #1 too. 802.11g doesn't offer enough bandwidth for raw mpeg-2. | 23:09 |
| jamey | k-s[WORK], I just uploaded a new version that should have the binutils version removed. I have to run, email jamey.hicks@nokia.com to let me know if it works or not. | 23:10 |
| jamey | have to run | 23:10 |
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| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: if you are using dvb dont...but here in brazil we still have analog tv and myth automatically transcodes it to mpeg4, so we can use #1 directly | 23:10 |
| trevarthan | Ah. I have analog Tv here in the US. But i record to mpeg2 because it looks better. So... I'll have to use gstreamer. | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | Or mythstreamtv. | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | Can you watch livetv over gstreamer? | 23:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | mythstreamtv is no longer maintained | 23:13 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. | 23:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: gmyth-streamer is able to use gstreamer or mencoder...but again...you must have gmyth+gmyth-streamer to make it work | 23:13 |
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| MoRpHeUz | the best setup is to have: gmyth-streamer+gmyth+mythtv on the same machine | 23:14 |
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| MoRpHeUz | and then just use mplayer to watch on your n800 or even through the internet... | 23:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | gmyth-streamer streams over http and provides an easy way to select vcodecs, acodecs, resolution, etc.. for your encoding.. | 23:15 |
| trevarthan | I was hoping you inserted a piece into the frontend network layer to do onthefly transcoding. But that's cooll. At least youve made a repplacement for mythstreamtv. Sounds like an impprovement to it too. | 23:16 |
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| trevarthan | Ill definitely check it out asap. | 23:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: the idea was to do something like that but mythtv guys are complicated ;-) | 23:17 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, they are. | 23:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: I have some patches waiting approval for about 6 months...and we couldnt wait so long for another patches so just changed our approach to solve the problem hehe | 23:17 |
| trevarthan | Would require a ton of backend and frontend cpu too. This way it can be load balanced, i bet. Does gmyth support multiple simultaneous clients? | 23:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: yeah, it does, but not for livetv (because just one instance can use the tv card - this is a hardware limitation) | 23:20 |
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| trevarthan | Very cool. Cant wait to try it. Thanks! | 23:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: with gmyth you can request videos sotred on your harddisk, request videos on diferent backends, etc.. | 23:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 23:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: if you have more questions, please ping/email me! I would love to help you setting up your environment. | 23:21 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, very nice. What file formats will it transcode? Ive got some mpeg2 vids in my mythvideo collection. Will it stream those too? | 23:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: yeah...it can transcode from/to any format supported by mencoder/gstreamer | 23:24 |
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| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: What if you want to fast forward a stream? | 23:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: then we have a problem =P | 23:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: maybe for version 2 ? =P hehe | 23:30 |
| trevarthan | I might help with that. Sounds like once you have FF working you no longer need the frontend and all can be web based. | 23:31 |
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| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: for sure =) that would be great =) | 23:33 |
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| trevarthan | Does gmyth look like just another frontend to backends? Is it like a complete alternate frontend? | 23:36 |
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| cartoon_nate | hello guys, quick question, I'm wondering if I can run the maemo platform on an x86 device? | 23:47 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: I think gmyth is more a library to make it easier to develop frontends... | 23:47 |
| cartoon_nate | also... I'm wondering when you guys port apps, do you make it so all the dialogues are usable at 640x480? | 23:47 |
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