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| dolfun | hi | 01:02 |
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| dolfun | hah | 01:49 |
| dolfun | hahahaha | 01:49 |
| dolfun | you people work on a little piece of hardware | 01:49 |
| dolfun | and other people work to enslave you and threaten you with electrocution of the testicles | 01:50 |
| dolfun | ok... | 01:50 |
| dolfun | we are talking about maemo | 01:50 |
| dolfun | and people are threatening us with electrocution | 01:50 |
| dolfun | what is the first order of business? | 01:50 |
| dolfun | my suggestion is we eliminate the threat of the psychopaths | 01:51 |
| dolfun | who want to peel the skin of of people and stick electrodes up our anuses | 01:52 |
| * shackan_ suggests to ignore the troll | 01:52 | |
| dolfun | that would be the first order of businesses | 01:52 |
| dolfun | shackan_: look at US politics | 01:52 |
| dolfun | then, after the threat to our anuses is eliminated | 01:52 |
| dolfun | we can talk about software again | 01:53 |
| dolfun | just a humble suggestion... i will stop now | 01:53 |
| zakx | if you want to talk about politics, go to #debian | 01:53 |
| dolfun | give me your home address | 01:53 |
| dolfun | and we can talk about politics | 01:54 |
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| dolfun | politics is force | 01:54 |
| dolfun | and torture | 01:54 |
| dolfun | want to meet me? | 01:54 |
| dolfun | want to meet bush's cia? | 01:54 |
| dolfun | or do you want to stop them? | 01:54 |
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| dolfun | they are torturing people without trial right now | 01:55 |
| dolfun | "oh it does not belong in maemo" | 01:55 |
| dolfun | maaaaaaaaeh | 01:55 |
| dolfun | that's exactly what you will say when they stick a burning stick up your ass | 01:55 |
| dolfun | "i'm a maemo developer! maaaaaaaaaeeeeeh!" | 01:56 |
| dolfun | what relevance will it have to your software development | 01:56 |
| dolfun | when people stick burining rods up your ass? | 01:56 |
| dolfun | anr you want to program software? | 01:56 |
| dolfun | not much relevane? | 01:56 |
| dolfun | oh dolfun is not relevant to maemo software? | 01:57 |
| dolfun | consider that | 01:57 |
| dolfun | american torture is not relevant to your life | 01:57 |
| fer__ | You have been registered and located in Germany - Berlin | 01:58 |
| dolfun | until they start ripping your body apart | 01:58 |
| dolfun | for no reason | 01:58 |
| zakx | dolfun: troll woanders. | 01:58 |
| dolfun | kein troll | 01:58 |
| dolfun | die machen das | 01:58 |
| dolfun | ist wichtig | 01:58 |
| zakx | es interessiert wirklich niemanden. | 01:58 |
| dolfun | oh wo wohnst du | 01:58 |
| dolfun | ich kanns sehr bald relevant machen | 01:59 |
| dolfun | du auch | 01:59 |
| dolfun | kannst behaupten ich waere irgend ein terrorist | 01:59 |
| dolfun | und schon sind meine sachen beschlagnamt | 02:00 |
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| dolfun | und meine ganze projeckte im arsch | 02:00 |
| dolfun | nur ne kleine anzeige | 02:00 |
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| dolfun | es interresiert niemanden | 02:01 |
| dolfun | ausser die leute die gefoletert wurden | 02:01 |
| dolfun | lol du gummi baer idiot | 02:01 |
| dolfun | fucking scheisskopf | 02:02 |
| dolfun | interrriesiert die 600,000 toten | 02:02 |
| dolfun | and we talk about protocols | 02:02 |
| dolfun | and our governments support mass murder | 02:02 |
| dolfun | with bush | 02:02 |
| dolfun | no excuse | 02:03 |
| zakx | wenn du was bewegen willst ist das eine gute sache | 02:03 |
| zakx | aber da bist du hier falsch | 02:03 |
| dolfun | nein | 02:03 |
| zakx | bastel dirn molotovcocktail und renn in den reichstag | 02:03 |
| dolfun | ich hoer auf jetzt | 02:03 |
| dolfun | aber gewalt ist nicht erlaubt | 02:04 |
| zakx | das grundgesetz ermächtigt dich | 02:04 |
| zakx | §20.4 oder so | 02:04 |
| zakx | oder .3 | 02:04 |
| dolfun | i apologise for my drunk / besoffen anger | 02:04 |
| dolfun | i care about people and i want to reduce the pain and death | 02:05 |
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| dolfun | if you want to test me, we can arrange something | 02:05 |
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| dolfun | i will kill myself if there is enough publicity | 02:05 |
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| unique311 | WTF | 02:10 |
| unique311 | K, what is going on... | 02:10 |
| unique311 | dolfun, life is beautiful man, You woke up this morning be happy....don't worry about the worlds politics and injustice...let the politicians worry about that. | 02:12 |
| unique311 | unless otherwise you are a politician...then go ahead and worry.... | 02:12 |
| unique311 | hello everybody else.... | 02:12 |
| unique311 | channel has been inactive lately...more developing less talking, huh... | 02:13 |
| shackan_ | I really wonder what drugs he's on | 02:14 |
| shackan_ | no wait, I don't | 02:14 |
| unique311 | called alcohol.... | 02:15 |
| unique311 | been there...but not hating life there...or the world... | 02:15 |
| unique311 | just fucked up.... | 02:15 |
| unique311 | hes like at what i call border of just being wasted...where life seems uncool to him....a couple of more bottles or shots, and wasted will follow.. | 02:16 |
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| sandman | Anyone here have experience with ext3? | 03:27 |
| sandman | On a flash drive? | 03:27 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 03:44 |
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| unique311 | hello | 03:58 |
| unique311 | so im going to ask the question again....anyone tried the usb host hack for the n800 yet? | 03:59 |
| neostrider | not really... | 03:59 |
| neostrider | i just have a 770 | 03:59 |
| unique311 | compiled anything new to share? | 04:00 |
| neostrider | well..im updaling a test version of my game right now | 04:01 |
| neostrider | but its not on maemo yet | 04:01 |
| unique311 | you working on the tron game correct? | 04:01 |
| neostrider | (ive tested it on the 770...it was a older version..worked...but quite slowly) | 04:01 |
| neostrider | sure | 04:01 |
| neostrider | its almost done | 04:01 |
| neostrider | actually | 04:01 |
| neostrider | its don | 04:01 |
| unique311 | how is that going? | 04:01 |
| neostrider | done | 04:01 |
| neostrider | but I must optimize it first | 04:01 |
| unique311 | vid or screenshot? | 04:02 |
| neostrider | its quite slow on device... | 04:02 |
| unique311 | well any new screenies? | 04:02 |
| neostrider | some screens: | 04:02 |
| neostrider | http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/angstron-alpha-2-on-its-way/ | 04:02 |
| neostrider | this post is somewhat old | 04:03 |
| neostrider | but has some nice shots | 04:03 |
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| unique311 | color... | 04:04 |
| unique311 | nice | 04:04 |
| neostrider | yeah...and the game is HARD! | 04:04 |
| neostrider | its FUN! | 04:04 |
| neostrider | ...and predicatable =-P | 04:05 |
| unique311 | great work.... | 04:05 |
| neostrider | once you know how to beat the opponent, it becomes a lot easier to beat him agaim with the same strategy | 04:05 |
| unique311 | i've manage to compile a paint program for maemo.... | 04:06 |
| unique311 | but when it comes to hildonizing | 04:06 |
| unique311 | im lost | 04:06 |
| unique311 | so i just use it as it is.. | 04:06 |
| neostrider | I also did a paint program with SDL (I guess its the hello world of the touchscreen plataforms...I did the same with Windows CE 1.0 way back ago ;-) ) | 04:07 |
| neostrider | take a look: http://rapidshare.com/files/31543109/angstron.zip.html | 04:07 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/ | 04:08 |
| unique311 | find better upload, and download speeds.. | 04:08 |
| unique311 | big files size | 04:08 |
| neostrider | good! | 04:08 |
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| unique311 | made 2 groups on it already | 04:08 |
| unique311 | maemo and n800 | 04:09 |
| unique311 | rapidshare got to technical... | 04:09 |
| unique311 | no limit on divshare...and no 5 mintue wait time to dl another file.. | 04:10 |
| neostrider | thats great! | 04:10 |
| neostrider | bookmarked | 04:11 |
| unique311 | np | 04:11 |
| unique311 | don't forget to join the groups | 04:11 |
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| unique311 | also had a gimp src for zaurus compiled..working....but the guys at #gimp, were not to happy i chose an old version of it to compile... | 04:17 |
| neostrider | worked on Maemo?! | 04:17 |
| unique311 | yes | 04:17 |
| neostrider | COOL! | 04:17 |
| unique311 | open 3 windows | 04:18 |
| neostrider | can you get me the deb? | 04:18 |
| unique311 | lets see if i still have it hanging around... | 04:18 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2jVHqvDW5M | 04:19 |
| unique311 | heres a vid | 04:19 |
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| neostrider | watching | 04:25 |
| unique311 | bad video... | 04:25 |
| unique311 | found it | 04:25 |
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| neostrider | unique331: the splash shows TheGimp 2.0?! | 04:36 |
| neostrider | how can it be old!? | 04:36 |
| neostrider | its not bleeding new , but its quite new! | 04:36 |
| neostrider | my desktop gimp is 2.2! | 04:37 |
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| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/653260-f0a | 04:37 |
| unique311 | here it is | 04:37 |
| unique311 | i know its like 2.0.2 or 3 | 04:38 |
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| neostrider | are you pupnik?! | 04:38 |
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| unique311 | going to also upload the src that worked for me to the group maemo on divshare | 04:38 |
| unique311 | no | 04:38 |
| unique311 | Pupnik has been MIA | 04:39 |
| neostrider | MIA?! | 04:41 |
| neostrider | missing in action?! | 04:41 |
| unique311 | yeah | 04:41 |
| unique311 | he came in earlier said whats up fuckers and exited... | 04:41 |
| neostrider | hahahha | 04:42 |
| neostrider | ok | 04:42 |
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| unique311 | let me kno w if the binary i gave u the link to work... | 04:42 |
| unique311 | its compiled for bora | 04:42 |
| neostrider | im using gregalle | 04:43 |
| neostrider | it may not work | 04:43 |
| neostrider | maybe the source will | 04:43 |
| unique311 | hold on | 04:43 |
| neostrider | ok =-) | 04:45 |
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| unique311 | http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/1.1.0/src/mirror1.pdaxrom.org/source/src/gimp-2.0.4.tar.bz2 | 04:45 |
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| neostrider | thanks! | 04:47 |
| unique311 | --withough-print... something like that/ make sure you run ./configure --help | 04:48 |
| unique311 | it will not compile with print | 04:48 |
| unique311 | forgot the flags i used.. | 04:48 |
| unique311 | sad | 04:48 |
| unique311 | going to try to recreate | 04:48 |
| neostrider | dont worry | 04:48 |
| neostrider | I will dig on that later | 04:48 |
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| kakos | Is /media/mmc1 the internal card on the N800? | 05:04 |
| zakx | mmc2 is on my n800 | 05:04 |
| zakx | mmc1 is the external | 05:05 |
| kakos | zakx: Thanks | 05:05 |
| zakx | you're welcom | 05:05 |
| zakx | e | 05:05 |
| kakos | So, I'm booting off of the internal memory card on my N800. Unfortunately, it seems that this prevents me from mounting the other partition on the internal card via the USB cable. Anyone know a way around this? | 05:09 |
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| zakx | technically, the n800 would umount both sd cards before making them available through usb | 05:20 |
| zakx | if the umount fails, the partition won't be shared via usb-storage | 05:20 |
| zakx | as you're booting off it, it can't umount the card. | 05:21 |
| zakx | guess you'd have to change some code anywhere to change behaviour, as the n800 usually expects sd-cards to just have 1 partition | 05:22 |
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| kakos | zakx: Any idea where it does that umount? | 05:43 |
| zakx | i'd install sysklogd and check /var/log/syslog | 05:43 |
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| kakos | TEH w00t | 05:52 |
| kakos | zakx: I did it. in /etc/init.d/ke-recv, change all instances of mmcblk0 to mmcblk0p1 | 05:52 |
| sandman | Anyone alive? | 06:01 |
| zakx | kakos: congrats :) | 06:03 |
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| Hegel | hey. my cjk support DL Keeps failing. anyone Know where I can DL the .deb file? | 06:30 |
| derf | From the repository? | 06:35 |
| derf | It's just an http server. | 06:35 |
| sandman | Trouble I'm having is that ext3 seems to corrupt itself while in-use | 06:37 |
| Hegel | oh. Let's See if I can find it | 06:37 |
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| Hegel | why don't they use rsynch? | 06:41 |
| derf | Hegel: I think Debian pre-dates rsync. | 06:44 |
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| `0660 | hegel, rsync for downloading single packages? | 07:23 |
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| Hegel | sure... | 07:26 |
| Hegel | I'm Still having trouble getting CJK Support | 07:27 |
| `0660 | what advantages it would offer compared to plain http? | 07:27 |
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| `0660 | i don't see any... | 07:27 |
| Hegel | different Protocol? | 07:28 |
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| `0660 | is that a good thing? :) | 07:29 |
| Hegel | why does my 13mb dl keep failing? | 07:29 |
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| `0660 | well, with rsync it would probably be easier for you to complete your download | 07:30 |
| `0660 | but it's been a while i have seen a link so unstable it wouldn't be able support the download of a 13mb file | 07:31 |
| Hegel | try installing C JK support for JaPanese | 07:32 |
| `0660 | where are you downloading the file from? | 07:32 |
| `0660 | give me the url and i'll try to dl it | 07:32 |
| Hegel | http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 07:32 |
| Hegel | if it doesn't fail to download, it Says the installation file iS corrupt. | 07:35 |
| `0660 | http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/ | 07:35 |
| `0660 | try to get it from there | 07:35 |
| `0660 | http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/maemo-japanese-support-n800-0.3.2_all.deb | 07:35 |
| `0660 | that's the first one and you will probably need more | 07:35 |
| `0660 | you have n800 don't you? | 07:35 |
| Hegel | yes | 07:35 |
| derf | `0660: Debian _normally_ can do partial downloads and resume. | 07:36 |
| derf | But the N800 is a little agressive about purging the cache. | 07:37 |
| `0660 | :/ | 07:37 |
| derf | For some strange reason. | 07:37 |
| `0660 | well, it's better that way than the way it works on the desktop :) | 07:37 |
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| `0660 | Nokia-N800-10:/etc/apt# cat apt.conf.d/00-smallcache | 07:39 |
| `0660 | APT { Small-Cache-Limit 1600000 }; | 07:39 |
| `0660 | hmm | 07:40 |
| `0660 | the apt.conf.d/99-docpurge look even more interesting | 07:41 |
| `0660 | hmm, no it isn't :) | 07:41 |
| `0660 | just: rm -rf /usr/share/doc/* /usr/share/man/* /usr/share/info/* | 07:41 |
| `0660 | and a comment: # Real hackers don't read docs. | 07:42 |
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| Hegel | were you able to install from that link I sent? | 07:43 |
| `0660 | i don't have the guts to install japanese support :) | 07:44 |
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| Hegel | C'mon! you know you want to! :) | 07:45 |
| Hegel | anyone? | 07:45 |
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| sandman | My flash devices seem to consistently report incorrect space utilization | 08:27 |
| sandman | As well as seemingly having a habit of just ignoring access... for instance, when running wget, the download will just stop | 08:28 |
| sandman | That seemed to only happen with ext3, however. | 08:28 |
| sandman | When I'm running FAT on the flash drive, it still misreports space... I had about 800MB worth of files on there, and then I deleted them. | 08:29 |
| sandman | The SD card appeared empty when looking at its contents | 08:29 |
| sandman | But it said that it was full whenever I tried to move something to it. When I checked to see the free space, it said how much it had _before_ I removed the files! | 08:29 |
| kulve | "flash devices"? | 08:40 |
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| sandman | Yeah | 09:07 |
| sandman | SD cards, rather | 09:07 |
| unique311 | ? | 09:08 |
| kulve | sandman: how are you using them? In n800 on your PC through the usb mass storage? Linux? Windows? | 09:10 |
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| Copolycube | Good morning. | 12:29 |
| keesj | Hi qube | 12:37 |
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| |tbb| | is subversion for bora at least ported? | 14:11 |
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| Jari-- | hi... I am looking for a stock icon package for Maemo | 15:11 |
| Jari-- | a packet that contains all the basic icons used in toolbars of Maemo applications, in gif or png format preferably | 15:11 |
| kulve | I would guess that the default icon set is not freely distributable.. | 15:14 |
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| greentux | hi | 15:45 |
| greentux | is the wireless card on n800 802.11b or g? | 15:45 |
| greentux | 11 or 54 mbit? | 15:45 |
| kulve | 54 iirc | 15:45 |
| gla55 | g iirc | 15:45 |
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| greentux | tnx... is there something like "iwconfig" to see such things on the command line? | 15:46 |
| Veggen | grmf. | 15:46 |
| Veggen | I had to talk to a real enduser, today. | 15:46 |
| Veggen | without any warning. Whatsoever. | 15:46 |
| Veggen | Customer service called, said that a customer had some problems. "Ah, I see", I said (tho in Norwegian), and they said "Hold on", and transfered him through. | 15:47 |
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| Veggen | (I'm doing Unix stuff for a bank, normally in quite a safe distance from the bank customers ;) | 15:48 |
| kulve | greentux: seems not to be (at least out of the box) | 15:48 |
| greentux | ok. | 15:49 |
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| Copolycube | hum... I can't find any info about that... | 16:36 |
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| Copolycube | but is OS2007 suitable for ne n770 ? | 16:36 |
| Copolycube | or is it _only_ for the n800 ? | 16:37 |
| kulve | there's a "hacker edition" of os2007 for 770 | 16:37 |
| kulve | unofficial | 16:37 |
| Veggen | Only for the N800, but there's a partllu and unofficial backport. | 16:37 |
| gla55 | official os2007 is n800 only | 16:37 |
| Copolycube | hum... so it leads to another question. | 16:37 |
| kulve | but it seems that the os2007on770 works at least decently? | 16:37 |
| Copolycube | Since Maemo is the official web site | 16:38 |
| Copolycube | where to find this kind of infos ? | 16:38 |
| Veggen | Maemo is the community web-site. | 16:38 |
| Veggen | I guess. | 16:38 |
| kulve | yeah | 16:38 |
| kulve | with some official sdk related info | 16:38 |
| kulve | i.e. maemo related | 16:38 |
| Veggen | And the community of course supports os2007on770 as well as it can. | 16:38 |
| koen | "as well as it can" == "no access to needed binary nokia crap" | 16:39 |
| kulve | Copolycube: around the maemo.org pages. It's pretty hard to find anything, especially now since all the links in google are broken.. | 16:39 |
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| Copolycube | ok thx | 16:40 |
| Copolycube | I think I'll stay with the 2006 ;-) | 16:41 |
| kulve | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770 | 16:41 |
| Copolycube | I got no pb And I got to develop some bluetooth things with it. | 16:41 |
| Copolycube | and what is the difference between mistral and gregale ? | 16:44 |
| kulve | mistral is old | 16:44 |
| Copolycube | are they "compatible" in any way ? (software packages) | 16:44 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 16:44 |
| bedboi | is there any way to get alarmd sources? | 16:44 |
| kulve | Copolycube: people should use gregale for developing, I guess | 16:45 |
| Copolycube | kulve, : in the time (past--> now) it's | 16:46 |
| Copolycube | bora > mistral > gregale | 16:46 |
| Copolycube | ? | 16:46 |
| muebelacker | bedboi: what do you man? | 16:47 |
| kulve | bora is for n800, mistral and gragale is for 770 | 16:47 |
| kulve | and gregale is newer than mistral | 16:47 |
| muebelacker | bedboi: mean | 16:48 |
| bedboi | muebelacker: i mean where to get the sources of alarmd :) | 16:51 |
| bedboi | i had 0.4 version, but i can't find it anymore | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | bedboi: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/alarmd/ Although they didn't open websvn.. | 16:55 |
| etrunko | apt-get source? | 16:58 |
| kulve | Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free alarmd 0.4.3 (dsc) [474B] | 16:59 |
| kulve | Get:2 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free alarmd 0.4.3 (tar) [98.0kB] | 16:59 |
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| inz | bedboi, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/ | 17:03 |
| bedboi | thank you very much | 17:03 |
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| inz | bedboi, seems to have both 0.4.0 and 0.4.3 | 17:04 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 17:32 |
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| trevarthan | In the Filemanager, there is a Documents folder. It doesn't seem to exist in xterm under my home dir. What's the path? | 17:53 |
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| trevarthan | Nm. .documents | 17:56 |
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| lodecesa | hi at all | 18:02 |
| lodecesa | obviously I'm here for a problem with maemo | 18:03 |
| lodecesa | i'm trying the tutorial example on the maemo.org site | 18:04 |
| lodecesa | when i try to compile i receive this: | 18:04 |
| lodecesa | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > gcc -o maemo_hello maemo_hello.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs`maemo_hello.c: In function `main':maemo_hello.c:6: error: `HildonProgram' undeclared (first use in this function)maemo_hello.c:6: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only oncemaemo_hello.c:6: error: for each function it appears in.)maemo_hello.c:6: error: `prog | 18:04 |
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| lodecesa | what´s appening? | 18:05 |
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| Copolycube | bye | 18:55 |
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| trevarthan | Is there any way to copy text from the web browser? I try dragging the pen, but it just scrolls the window. | 19:25 |
| gla55 | painting the text, iirc? | 19:25 |
| gla55 | then holding down | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | if you double-click and start dragging with the second click, you can (sometimes) select text | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | it feels like an unintended feature (aka bug) | 19:26 |
| trevarthan | mgeadmin: thanks. That worked. | 19:27 |
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| sandman | How much power does bluetooth require? As much or more than wifi? | 19:44 |
| keesj | i would guess less | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | less | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | about the same when transmitting data, but less when idle | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | source: some email on one of the maemo mailing lists | 19:45 |
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| keesj | I have the feeling that my n800 used keep active when i was typing on my bt keyboard. but now it does not work | 19:46 |
| kulve | sandman: I have understood that bluetooth takes much less that wlan. But if the mailing list says something different, they maybe you should believe it.. | 19:50 |
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| LeandroAl | hi.. I'm trying to create an link application on the maemo website downloads. The manual (http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/developer-manual.html) tell me to login, click on the application link and then, in the context menu, Page, Create Maemo Application. But I can't see the link "Application". Is there a special trick? | 20:22 |
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| kulve | click a category in the "application cloud" | 20:28 |
| kulve | i.e. "downloads" and then the category you want your app | 20:29 |
| kulve | the docs are wrong on that point. I spent quite a while figuring it out.. | 20:29 |
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| MoRpHeUz | hhmmm...maemo stores wireless's passwords in plain text =( | 20:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | as well gizmo.. | 20:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | if someone steal your device, maybe some of your networks can be compromised...(dont know other kind of passwds that are stored in plain text) | 20:42 |
| `0660 | isn't it the default in firefox to save passwords in plain text? | 20:44 |
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| MoRpHeUz | `0660: yeah... | 20:48 |
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| rambokid | tigert? | 20:59 |
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| tigert | yes? | 21:14 |
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| GuySoft | hi all, i have a quiestion: does anyone here have expriance with astonomomical applications on the maemo? | 21:27 |
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| GuySoft | anobody here at all? | 21:34 |
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| X-Fade | GuySoft: Maybe this is something you like? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-stars/ | 21:38 |
| GuySoft | X-Fade: i saw that one on the net, but its a little basic, there are palmos applications with more functionality. would kstars load on maemo, ofr example? | 21:39 |
| GuySoft | i know its a lot to ask :"> | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | No, you would have to port it to GTK first ;) | 21:40 |
| GuySoft | no qt applications? | 21:40 |
| X-Fade | Not if you port the complete qt stack to maemo first ;) | 21:40 |
| X-Fade | The devices have limited memory, using GTK and qt at the same time will not leave you much to run an application. | 21:41 |
| bipolar | I'm waiting for a good kde port for the n800. Thats the best option for me | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | bipolar: Well I think qt is doable. Don't count on KDE.. | 21:42 |
| GuySoft | say then, what about firefox? does that run? | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: No, but minimo does.. | 21:42 |
| bipolar | X-Fade: it's already been done, just not packaged | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | bipolar: Sure, but you would have to do more. Make textinput work, connectivity etc etc.. | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | That is not something you do in a spare weekend. | 21:44 |
| X-Fade | Nokia has been working on this for about 3 years now. And still they need to do a lot. | 21:44 |
| bipolar | True. But kde abstracts enough out that it it shouldn't be a terible job. | 21:44 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, you are very optimistic. | 21:45 |
| bipolar | of cource. | 21:45 |
| bipolar | :) | 21:45 |
| X-Fade | I think porting a few applications from qt to gtk is much less work. It depends on which programs you want. | 21:47 |
| GuySoft | what about emulation palmos applicationS? | 21:48 |
| GuySoft | there are astronomical apps for palmos | 21:49 |
| X-Fade | Ofcourse there is a way around all this. Use a vnc-server to run other applications. | 21:49 |
| X-Fade | But that requires some knowlegde.. | 21:50 |
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| GuySoft | X-Fade: in the middle of the deasert there is no wifi :S | 21:50 |
| GuySoft | only sand... | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: No need.. | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html | 21:51 |
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| X-Fade | Search for kstars :) | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | It seems they did run it.. | 21:52 |
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| GuySoft | i am not thinking of getting a nokia n800 or a sharp zaurus.. and i am trying to compare the software | 21:53 |
| ||cw | the biggest difference is that Sharp doens't release updates, community support only | 21:56 |
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| unique311 | does the n800 have SSE3? | 21:57 |
| GuySoft | ||cw: how is the support? | 21:57 |
| kulve | sse3? | 21:57 |
| X-Fade | lol :) | 21:57 |
| X-Fade | unique311: No it does not. It is an ARM processor. | 21:58 |
| kulve | if you are talking about the instruction set, I think /proc/cpuinfo tells most of them | 21:58 |
| X-Fade | Processor : Some Random V6 Processor rev 2 (v6l) | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | BogoMIPS : 320.37 | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java | 21:59 |
| kulve | X-Fade: well, xscales have iwmmx, so maybe sse3 wouldn't be totally impossible :) | 21:59 |
| kulve | on some arm prosessor, I mean | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Sure, if you pay Intel enough. | 22:00 |
| kulve | intel makes (made?) arm prosessors too.. | 22:00 |
| unique311 | permission denied for cpuinfo | 22:00 |
| unique311 | wtf... | 22:00 |
| kulve | unique311: cat | 22:00 |
| unique311 | as sudo gainroot also | 22:00 |
| kulve | normal user is fine | 22:00 |
| dragorn | they do, but arm-foo doens't usually have intel instructions, they keep those for the xscale | 22:00 |
| kulve | works in all linuxes | 22:00 |
| GuySoft | oh, and can i connect a keyboard or mouse from the usb host? | 22:01 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: That support is experimental, but it seems to work.. | 22:01 |
| unique311 | k, just upgraded my hackintosh to 10.4.9 | 22:02 |
| unique311 | and wanted it to go on my n800 also.. | 22:02 |
| unique311 | but i doubt that.. | 22:02 |
| unique311 | maybe when the iphone comes out they will emulate that quickly....and someone can port the danm thing to maemo | 22:02 |
| ||cw | GuySoft: well, Nokia has released 2 updates to the OS and applications since the n800 was released. | 22:03 |
| ||cw | feature updates, not just bug/security fixes | 22:03 |
| unique311 | 2 updates? | 22:03 |
| unique311 | don't remember updating twice.. | 22:04 |
| kulve | me neither.. | 22:04 |
| unique311 | 1 update yeah | 22:04 |
| dragorn | yeah there were 2 | 22:04 |
| dragorn | one around xmas if I recall, one in march | 22:04 |
| unique311 | oh | 22:04 |
| unique311 | i got my n800 in march or april | 22:05 |
| unique311 | forgot.. | 22:05 |
| GuySoft | X-Fade: how experemantal, can you type? | 22:05 |
| kulve | n800 wasn't out until this year | 22:05 |
| unique311 | lol | 22:05 |
| GuySoft | are there any other linuxOS based PDAs apart form nokia and sharp? | 22:05 |
| dragorn | kulve: Well then soon after. There WAS an update to what it shipped with, before the big update in march | 22:05 |
| dragorn | because I brought it home from the store and slapped the new os on it | 22:05 |
| dragorn | GuySoft: usb host on the 800 is mighty iffy afaik, and requires a custom kernel. It's not in mainline yet. | 22:06 |
| kulve | dragorn: maybe your device didn't have the first official release. I think I saw people posting comments that their device had old versiont.. | 22:06 |
| unique311 | so when is this intel maemo bite off suppose to hit the shelfs... | 22:06 |
| dragorn | GuySoft: And requires some cable hacking and often power injection. The 770 usb host is stable, but definitely requires a cable+power inject, and the 770 is slower | 22:06 |
| GuySoft | dragorn: what about ir keyboards? | 22:07 |
| dragorn | GuySoft: great, if there was an IR port on the nokia :P | 22:08 |
| GuySoft | ah, there isnt?! | 22:08 |
| GuySoft | i thaught it had, its kinda basic for PDAs, isnt it? | 22:08 |
| dragorn | it's got bluetooth and 802.11 | 22:08 |
| dragorn | as far as other devices running linux - i dunno, my nintendo ds does, but I don't think I'd want to use it for prolonged periods of time :P | 22:10 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21371 | 22:11 |
| dragorn | has anyone done any dev which would lead to benchmarks of cairo performance on the 800? | 22:14 |
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| X-Fade | dragorn: Cairo 1.4.6 just landed in Sardine. | 22:14 |
| dragorn | X-Fade: yeah, any performance metrics? I know I'm going to have to rewrite some of my app since it's obnoxious even on an overpowred laptop (complex cached patterns make it sad) | 22:15 |
| X-Fade | dragorn: Well, you'd have to benchmark it I guess. | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | Latest performance benchmarks I can find are from Jan 2007. | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | Version 1.3.10.. | 22:16 |
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| X-Fade | dragorn: http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/42-Cairo-performance-on-small-devices.html | 22:17 |
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| k-s[WORK] | damn... | 22:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | anyone had run Oprofile on n800 with success? | 22:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | I get /usr/bin/opcontrol: /usr/bin/opcontrol: 15: cannot open 2: No such file | 22:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | when trying to set --separate=lib | 22:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | or anything else | 22:23 |
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| GuySoft | isnt the usb host a key feature there? i meen it should let you connect anything that runs on linux to the pda, no? | 22:33 |
| GuySoft | isnt that something well needed? | 22:34 |
| GuySoft | i meen why but flash memory if you can use a usb drive that you have around? | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: That is why some people are working on it ;) | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: Flash memory is dirt cheap these days.. | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | Well, not the 16G ones.. | 22:35 |
| GuySoft | is it hard to make a custom kernel there? or is it as simple as it is in normal debian? | 22:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | GuySoft: almost as simple | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: That is the same. You can just compile it and flash it to the device.. | 22:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | GuySoft: just need to use flasher to install it, since it doesn't use grub or any other standard bootloader, but "nolo" | 22:35 |
| GuySoft | X-Fade: depends where you live.. i am in a place where palm zire is new.. | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: You can even test a kernel without making it permanent.. | 22:35 |
| GuySoft | nolo? | 22:36 |
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| GuySoft | X-Fade: didnt get you there, whats nolo | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | It is the bootloader.. | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | Nokia's own bootloader. | 22:36 |
| GuySoft | is it flexable? | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | You don't need to know anything about it.. | 22:37 |
| GuySoft | for compastison, i never got macs booting linux.. | 22:37 |
| GuySoft | X-Fade: fair inuf | 22:37 |
| * TimRiker tried to bend it, but the flash chip would probably break. | 22:37 | |
| X-Fade | Just use the flasher to flash the kernel and instruct the device to boot it. Also with the flasher.. | 22:37 |
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| GuySoft | X-Fade: well ill have to see it if i get it | 22:38 |
| * TimRiker tried to "just use flasher" but failed. as flasher does not work on debian unstable with 2.6.20 | 22:38 | |
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| X-Fade | GuySoft: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_use_flasher_rootfs_bora.html | 22:38 |
| GuySoft | i am on 2.6.20 here, were you trying to load 2.6.20, or run the flasher on that system | 22:39 |
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| TimRiker | would be nice if the bootloader was a usb-serial device so the standard usbserial module would get you console access to the bootloader. | 22:39 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: Probably you need to fix some usb settings.. | 22:39 |
| X-Fade | udev and all. | 22:39 |
| TimRiker | GuySoft: running the debian 2.6.20 kernel as root with and without the patch on flashtool. neither worked. | 22:39 |
| TimRiker | got udev. and usbfs mounted. | 22:39 |
| TimRiker | flasher sees a new device being added (from watching with strace) but does not see it as a n800. | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: You did mount usbfs like: mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | ? | 22:40 |
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| TimRiker | X-Fade: debian mounts usbfs by default already. | 22:40 |
| TimRiker | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) | 22:41 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: And did you try patching the flasher? | 22:41 |
| TimRiker | (that's from mount output) | 22:41 |
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| TimRiker | as I mentioned already, yes. I tried with and without the patch. | 22:41 |
| X-Fade | Hmm weird.. | 22:41 |
| X-Fade | I don't suppose you posted a bug to bugzilla already? :) | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | had to reboot into that Other OS and reflash from there. | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: nope. but I'm happy to. /me looks for bugzilla | 22:42 |
| TimRiker | http://bugzilla.maemo.org/ is not exactly the interface I was expecting. | 22:43 |
| X-Fade | It at least worked for somebody with Debian 4.0.. | 22:43 |
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| X-Fade | TimRiker: https://bugs.maemo.org/ | 22:44 |
| TimRiker | surely bugzilla should point there, and not at a page with release info, no? | 22:45 |
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| TimRiker | X-Fade: running what kernel? | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | It doesn't say.. | 22:47 |
| GuySoft | X-Fade: the nokia doesnt have an irda port? it seems to have it written on the net | 22:50 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: No it doesn't have one. | 22:50 |
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| TimRiker | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1448 | 23:02 |
| * TimRiker longs for a nokia u-boot port that has usbserial support and flash from mmc/tftp support. | 23:03 | |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: Well you can flash from the device :) | 23:04 |
| TimRiker | any idea why the bootloader is a custom usb device when it does not have to be? why not use a standard bootloader with usbserial support? | 23:04 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: not if the rootfs won't boot you can't. | 23:04 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: I dual boot from mmc ;) | 23:05 |
| TimRiker | and while I'm at it, the pivot_root scripts are messed. they leave the old initrd mounted, as well as another proc, sys, and tmp. wasted memory there. | 23:06 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: hmm. I suppose that works as long as the (missnamed) initrd partition (gag) is not corrupt. | 23:06 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: Yeah, you need to steer clear of that one.. | 23:07 |
| TimRiker | I've not tried that yet. Does pivot_root to an mmc still leave all the mess behind instead of cleaning it up? | 23:07 |
| X-Fade | My mmc image is just a plain copy of the internal one.. So I guess there's nothing different.. | 23:08 |
| TimRiker | what happens if you open the mmc door? (either back door or flip down on the "external") | 23:08 |
| TimRiker | and how to you choose mmc boot or internal boot? | 23:09 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 23:10 |
| TimRiker | just looks for /sbin/init on the device? | 23:10 |
| X-Fade | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 | 23:10 |
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| X-Fade | or mmc1.. | 23:11 |
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| TimRiker | hmm. what happens if you just take out the card on boot? does it switch to the internal? | 23:13 |
| maddler | hello | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: Horribly crash? | 23:13 |
| TimRiker | and why ext2? does it not include ext3 support? running non-journaled on a battery powered device does not sound like a Good Thing to me. | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | Ext3 is also supported. | 23:14 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: from grokking the script it looks like it at least tries to skip the mmc if there is no /sbin/init | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | But the journal can wear out certain blocks on the card. | 23:15 |
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| TimRiker | not so. | 23:15 |
| X-Fade | If wearleveling is busted.. | 23:15 |
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| TimRiker | I don't know any current mmc cards that have busted wearleveling. | 23:15 |
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| TimRiker | it will wear your card out "sooner" than ext2. but only about twice as fast. | 23:16 |
| florian | re | 23:16 |
| TimRiker | the much more important issue is to turn off atimes. atimes will wear out your card much much faster. | 23:16 |
| ||cw | journal doens't wear out certain blocks, it wears out all of them | 23:16 |
| * TimRiker nods at ||cw | 23:17 | |
| TimRiker | again, ext3 would reduce the life by about half. | 23:17 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, but still the device will probably die long before you killed all blocks on your card. | 23:18 |
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| ||cw | depends on the size of the card and how full it is | 23:18 |
| TimRiker | you don't have to kill "all blocks" you just need to kill one more than the card has spare. then the whole card goes dead. (at least on all major brands we tested). | 23:18 |
| TimRiker | but this takes a _long_ time. | 23:19 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't the leveler move used blocks also? | 23:19 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: yes. | 23:19 |
| TimRiker | the internal wear leveling has a number of "spare" blocks that get used when an error is detected in a used block. | 23:20 |
| TimRiker | once the list of spares hits 0, the card is ready to die. | 23:20 |
| TimRiker | wonderful sd/mmc interface provides no api to query the size of the spare pool. | 23:21 |
| X-Fade | root on mmc is faster also in combination with the patches.. | 23:21 |
| TimRiker | I can believe that. no compression on default ext2/3 | 23:21 |
| Tybor | I'm thinking about using an n800 to input text (source code) with stylus and online keyboard to avoid RSI (repetitive stress injuries)... taking for granted that it can be slower (50-100% slower) would it help avoid rsi? | 23:21 |
| TimRiker | course it depends on what you are doing. if you're reading a very large text file, I'll bet it's slower. :) | 23:22 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: There are kernel patches to boost mmc performance. They help a lot.. | 23:22 |
| Mithrandir | Tybor: I doubt it'd be a good way to avoid RSI. I'd rather recommend taking breaks fairly often, to stretch, avoid using the mouse, etc. | 23:23 |
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| TimRiker | X-Fade: cool. I've not gotten into the kernel yet. do we know if the 4 wire interface is actually used? | 23:23 |
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| Tybor | Mithrandir: so mouse is the main criminal here? | 23:23 |
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| TimRiker | I'd like to see a way to use a bluetooth laptop as a bluetooth keyboard on the n800. | 23:23 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: http://intr.overt.org/n800-sdhc-kernel/ | 23:24 |
| Mithrandir | Tybor: the usual suspect is doing small movements with the mouse, yes. Some people don't handle keyboards well too, but that's less common. | 23:24 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: highspeed patch uses MMC_CAP_4_BIT_DATA; | 23:25 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: yep, just noticed that. nice. | 23:28 |
| X-Fade | In combination with multiblock writes.. That speeds it up nicely.. | 23:28 |
| TimRiker | any idea if any TI OMAP folks have n800's and are looking at any of this work? I'll fire off some emails on this to folks I know. (/me used to be tim@ti.com but is no longer) | 23:29 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: All these patches are already in mainline kernel.. | 23:29 |
| TimRiker | ah. even better. | 23:29 |
| TimRiker | there are still places in the UI that insist on scanning the card for files of type x. This is _always_ a bad idea. | 23:30 |
| X-Fade | You'd better pester them about the MBX and IVA :) | 23:30 |
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| |tbb| | pfff,the battery indicator sucks a lot, 2min before there where 2bars now it says battery is running out | 23:30 |
| TimRiker | heh. I gotta dig into things first before I'll be comfortable pestering. :) | 23:31 |
| * TimRiker heads to a meeting. | 23:31 | |
| X-Fade | We want our openvg acceleration :) | 23:31 |
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| X-Fade | Although Compositing already seems to work for simple things.. | 23:31 |
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| GuySoft | X-Fade: is there a way to get an irda port running on an n800? like with a serial port and lirc? | 23:35 |
| X-Fade | GuySoft: Not without a soldering gun I guess. | 23:37 |
| X-Fade | Somebody replaced the fm-radio chip with a gps chip. So, who knows :) | 23:38 |
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| |tbb| | xfading, where did u hear that? | 23:39 |
| X-Fade | |tbb|: I'm trying to find that back. | 23:40 |
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| GuySoft | X-Fade: i can solder, if its really simple.. i am actually connected now with a cantenna i built | 23:43 |
| dragorn | heh, soldering/desoldering PCBs is somewhat more difficult | 23:44 |
| X-Fade | Hmmm I can't find back that posting.. | 23:44 |
| X-Fade | It was a guy that used the io ports connected to the fm chip for a gps chip.. | 23:44 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: do you get a menu of boot choices? and how do you input your choice? arrows? the script seems to use "read" which implies stdin, which I would not think there would be any keyboard at that stage of the boot? | 23:44 |
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| TimRiker | guess I'll have to try it and see. | 23:44 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: The arrow keys.. | 23:45 |
| X-Fade | If the mode == ask | 23:45 |
| dragorn | X-Fade: makes sense, if you have any sort of gpio at a voltage/sample rate you can do serial with. nice hack. | 23:45 |
| Tybor | anyone tried dasher in maemo?ù | 23:45 |
| |tbb| | strange | 23:46 |
| TimRiker | hmm. I must be looking at the wrong script. I was looking at /mnt/initfs/linuxrc | 23:46 |
| TimRiker | Guard][an: using usb host mode, you could add a usb irda dongle. I don't know if usb-host is available on the n800 yet. | 23:46 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: Experimental patches are available. | 23:46 |
| * TimRiker whacks tab completion. that was meant for GuySoft | 23:47 | |
| X-Fade | It has a USB OTG chip too.. | 23:47 |
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| X-Fade | So it should be able to provide some power too | 23:47 |
| GuySoft | TimRiker: however a usb dongle wont run cool stuff like lirc | 23:48 |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: sure would be nice to get a real OTG port and drivers instead of a cpu that has it, but the wrong port and drivers on the device. | 23:48 |
| GuySoft | TimRiker: ah! the irony! | 23:48 |
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| X-Fade | TimRiker: It has a separate OTG chip that is connected? | 23:48 |
| GuySoft | why anyting that you want to plug to those PDAs resorts to painful softare and harware complication? | 23:48 |
| * TimRiker morns the omap device he built at ti, that ti killed. it had both a host and a client port. | 23:48 | |
| TimRiker | X-Fade: the cpu has OTG support, but not all the voltage driver support. so there is a bit of support logic needed. the 770 didn't have it, and I expect the 800 does not either. | 23:49 |
| dragorn | GuySoft: because you insist on plugging things into it like IR that it doesn't have. I'll grant you host mode is annoying, but there are plenty of bluetooth keyboards available. | 23:50 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/n800_no_shields_300_dpi.jpg | 23:50 |
| GuySoft | dragorn: yes, but they cost :( , is bluetooth less of a pain in the neck? | 23:51 |
| dragorn | GuySoft: Than trying to solder stuff onto the PCB just to run a keyboard? Yeah, i'd say so. | 23:52 |
| X-Fade | This one is even betterL http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/n800_no_shields_1200_dpi.jpg | 23:52 |
| GuySoft | dragorn: soldering is easy, on to a pcb is the harder part | 23:52 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: There is this: tps65030 USB-OTG Power Manager 5v 100mA. | 23:53 |
| dragorn | and the project is kind of moot without the "on to a pcb" component | 23:53 |
| GuySoft | dragorn: i really dont mind the cable, and bluetooth meends you need to much about with batteries, and other stuff | 23:54 |
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| TimRiker | X-Fade: nice images. shows the lame springless external sd slot really well. | 23:54 |
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| dragorn | GuySoft: And you think powering an IR circuit and USB you don't? Hah. | 23:55 |
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| TimRiker | X-Fade: heh. those images show small dimples in the "extra" connecter next to the battery. looks like they have been used, or at least tried. | 23:56 |
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| X-Fade | TimRiker: I haven't used mine, and the are also there.. | 23:57 |
| X-Fade | TimRiker: I think Nokia uses them in the factory too. | 23:57 |
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| TimRiker | dunno. | 23:58 |
| X-Fade | Check yours :) | 23:58 |
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