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Ayozehi all00:13
Pupnikowwww Ted Stevens on Net Neutrality owwwwwww00:14
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AyozeI've got a  n770, and I've just flashed the 2006 release... Then I connect the usb to my PC, and the USB icon is not appearing in the tablet, does anybody know what could be happening?00:14
Pupnikclose any programs accessing the mmc card or reboot device00:15
Pupnikthen reconnect00:16
Ayozeok :)00:16
Pupnikdevice will not allow usb access to mmc card if any programs are accessing files on the mmc00:17
AyozeI've rebooted the device, and nothing changed Pupnik00:18
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Pupnikwhat OS is running on the pc?00:19
Pupnikdoes 'lsusb' show anything?00:20
||cwcheck dmesg too00:21
Ayozehmmm well, if I put the usb periphehal mode, it works00:21
Ayozebut in the host mode, it doesnt show the icon00:21
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||cwI've seen some dsitro's that require modprobing comes charset modules00:22
||cwif the 770 is in host mode, you can't plug it into a pc00:22
||cw'cause then your got 2 hosts on the bus and usb doens't like that00:22
Ayozehmmmm... ok00:24
AyozeI've made a wire to connect a usb periphehal to the tablet00:24
Ayozeif I connect it, it would show the icon?00:25
||cwassuming you inject power to the device, and the 770 has drivers for it, you will be able to use it00:25
||cwhow you use it depends on what it is00:26
Ayozeok :)00:26
unique311200+ people in this channel.......00:27
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unique311190 idles00:27
unique311or watchers00:27
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||cwthat's not so unusual00:27
unique311leave the watching for the angels such as loke00:28
unique311everyone in the channel i command to speak...00:29
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unique311they did the opposite00:34
unique311lets try some reverse psychology00:35
unique311everyone in the channel i command not to speak00:36
unique311well type00:36
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bipolarhas anyone ever used qemu to emulate the n800's cpu, and built a system for it?01:16
bipolarI'd like to get a whole debian armel enviroment going on it.01:16
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koenbipolar: you can't emulate armv6 and armv7 without getting sued by ARM ltd01:20
koenpeople that have the knowledge to implement it had to sign an NDA with ARM....01:21
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bipolarkoen: Is there another compatible arm spec that qemu can run?01:22
bipolarto build armel packages?01:22
koenwhich is why scratchbox doesn't like some of the nokia binaries01:22
koenbipolar: armv5te (n770) or armv4t01:22
koenbipolar: and of course you can cross-compile :)01:22
bipolarkoen: yeah, crosscompiling would work, but then I'd have to transfer the bin's to the n800 to test01:23
bipolarkoen: can bins compiled for armv5te work on the n800's proc?01:23
koenit's like i586 and i68601:24
bipolarso it's not as optimized?01:24
koensort off01:24
koenyou can turn on vfp for armv5 as well01:24
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bipolarkoen: I take it you've done this before?01:27
bipolaror do you just know what you're talking about? :)01:28
koenbipolar: and search for my name :)01:29
bipolarkoen: nice... I'm glad guys like you are around to help n00bs01:30
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bipolarkoen: are there any existing debian armel host images for qemu available anywhere that you know of? I've been unable to find one. Just tar'ed up file systems.02:15
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kulveabout the armv6 binaries: I use mainly sbrsh. No qemu problems (some other problems exist though, but not that much..)06:53
gusti_kulve: what will be happen if i not using qemu?06:55
gusti_kulve : sorry, i still cant got the meaning of qemu, just wanna know if is it possible06:57
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kulveif you compile a binary in sb (like hello world), it's an ARM binary. Your PC cannot run it as is. That's why sb uses qemu to run the ARM binaries. Another possibility is sbrsh (which have been longer in sb than qemu, iirc), which uses NFS to transfer the rootfs to the actual device and runs the binaries there transparently.07:10
kulvei.e. you can compile simple apps easily without the need to run anything. But e.g. configure(.ac) makes a bunch of tests to see what kind of environment it's running. So then you need something to run those ARM binaries that configure makes07:12
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jumpularobtaylor: ping?10:23
jumpularobtaylor: if you're interested, there's now a devkit with all the debian tools upgraded to etch10:23
jumpula(or if anyone else is)10:24
jumpulastill no official release, but the testings version is available at
jumpulanote too, that it's not officially supported to all the latest tools in current maemo environment :)10:27
jumpulathere might be some issues with gconf if using debhelper 5, for example10:27
keesjjumpula: did you test any maemo stuff?10:28
jumpulasome. but not nearly everything. they will be tested completely in the near future.10:29
jumpulaenough to know about the gconf issue, for example :]10:30
jumpulaif i get myself to it, i might try a complete build and see what issues come up10:31
jumpulalike in this week, if i got the time..10:32
Mithrandiroh, good to see that there's interest in fixing up some of the packaging warts.10:32
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jumpulaMithrandir: there is10:32
Mithrandirwhat's a useful way to submit patches for those problems?10:32
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jumpulaMithrandir: you mean patches for scratchbox, of patches for packages themselves10:32
Mithrandirbugzilla, or mailing list or something else?10:32
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Mithrandirfor packages themselves; I'm actually working on the Ubuntu mobile bits where we are using maemo packages.10:33
Mithrandirso I don't care that much about scratchbox itself.10:33
jumpulaMithrandir: bugzilla10:33
jumpulai can't type. it's too early.10:34
jumpulashould be asleep still :]10:34
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Mithrandirand you're a timezone ahead of me even.10:35
keesjjumpula: do you really need to use ~ in the file name?10:35
MithrandirI should find some breakfast.10:35
jumpulakeesj: for test builds, yes10:36
jumpula1.0~1 is smaller than 1.0 for debian10:36
keesjoke , just asking :p10:36
jumpulaso, if 1.0 get's released, apt will update the package10:37
Mithrandircrackfully enough, with ~ you can have version numbers less than 0 (but bigger than -0).10:37
jumpulanot the most appealing character, i agree but the only one i could find that works that way :)10:37
jumpulaMithrandir: yup10:37
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JaffaMorning, all10:53
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AD-N770good morning11:42
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SandmanIs there a reason wget might freeze up ~4M into a download everytime, when saving to an SD card?12:08
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Copolycubehi all12:49
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kpelhi guys12:49
du1does anybody know how to get a complete FIASCO image from all(!) partitions(initfs, rootds, etc...) from a n800??12:49
du1i want to play around on my n800 and when i'm finished i want to be able to 'deploy' it as an image you can flash with flasher12:50
kulveboot from mmc12:51
kulvethen you can make a rootfs.jffs2 out of it12:51
kulvebut I think you cannot make one from the flash12:51
du1how did the hackers-edition do that?12:52
du1they also deploy one .bin with all fs in it12:52
kulveI think there's no such public tool that creates a fiasco12:53
kulvebut you can install rootfs or initfs with the flasher with one command..12:55
du1i'll google a bit more - maybe i find a possibility to get a fiasco12:56
kulvebe sure to document it, if you find a way..12:56
inzDoes 0xFFFF support fiasco images?12:58
inzIf so, I guess you can see from it's sources how the image is built and just reverse the operation =)12:58
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kulveI would guess that it doesn't12:59
inzThe name is Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher13:00
inzWhich would indicate that it does13:00
kulvehmm.. yeah, I might be wrong here13:01
du1 is down :(13:04
inznoticed... :(13:05
kulvegoogle cache shows some parts of it at least13:05
X-Fade_Make GtkMenu scroll arrows scroll by item. Fixes: NB#5663813:06
X-Fade_Nice :)13:06
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JaffaYay; and there's the expectation of a new firmware on 29th June13:07
kulvebased on what?13:07
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X-Fade_Cairo 1.4.6 is also in sardine now. Interesting..13:08
JaffaThat's the latest date that Skype could be released to meet the 1H2007 committment, and big releases drive firmware (it seems, see Rhapsody release)13:08
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kulveoh, those deadlines.. And those have never been missed..13:09
JaffaDon't think they have, they've just been at the latest date in the vague window.13:09
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du1harr.... found something...:13:21
du1there he writes a alternative way to access his page because he has probs with his isp or so...13:22
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Pupnik_very nice: tecnoballz dev got back to me with info i need for the port13:41
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robtaylorjumpula: brilliant!13:52
* robtaylor just hopes the osso guys start using it =)13:52
inzmaemo-hackers vte should now support 256 colors!13:58
inzIf anyone cares to test, I'd appreciate13:58
jumpularobtaylor: they will. i will insist :)14:00
robtaylorjumpula: heh :)14:04
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lardmanAnyone know exactly which model of c55x DSP is present in the N800 (or 770 for that matter)? Or how to find out?14:31
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kulveI don't, but why are you interested on that?14:36
lardmanTo use the chip support library, I'll need to know which variant the chip is14:38
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kulve"chip support library"?14:40
kulvesomehow I think those c55x chips should be very compatible..14:40
robtaylorlardman: in the n800 its the OMAP2420and 770 is 171014:40
lardmanYes, I imagine so, and there are only a half dozen variants of the DSP14:40
lardmanrobtaylor: thanks, but I can't find any details of the variant of the DSP that goes in each OMAP14:41
kulverobtaylor: and both omaps has the same dsp, tms320c55sx14:41
CopolycubeI'm new to the nokia770 developper world, but... is there a way to turn off the invisible mode of the bluetooth ?14:42
lardmanCopolycube: Yes, though I can't remember what the change is14:42
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lardmanCopolycube: A change to the conf file iirc14:43
Copolycubebecause googling it didn't gave me much of an answer.14:43
lardmanTry the mailing lists and the maemo wiki14:44
lardmanSearching the mailing list that is14:44
lardmanRegarding the CSL, I think I'll need to link against it to access the audio codec. I still need to have a proper read of the docs in the Ti DDK.14:46
lardmanCopolycube: What version are you running (hw & software)?14:48
lardmanCopolycube: You can use the BT applet on the topbar to enable/disable visibility on my N80014:49
kulve"< Copolycube> I'm new to the nokia770"14:50
lardmanah ha14:50
Copolycubenokia 77014:50
Copolycubefor the hw14:50
lardmanWell, I don't have my 770 here, but I thought that this option was added in one of the later updates14:50
lardmanEasy way to check, on the n800 there's a bluetooth control panel applet with the option14:51
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JaffaIf you install OS2007on770, non-invisible Bluetooth is built-in, as lardman says14:53
lardmanJaffa: But it's not an option on the standard releases?14:53
JaffaNot without some /etc poking IIRC.14:55
JaffaThen you need sdptool, and even then I couldn't do any Obex file transfers14:55
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lardmanDoes sdpd need to be running? I imagine so:
lardmannot quite the right topic, but tells you how to get sdpd running14:59
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Jaffalardman: yeah, but still couldn't do anything useful with my Windows laptop15:03
lardmanJaffa: Fair enough. There must be a missing link then, my N800 can happily receive and send files to mobile phones.15:04
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svuis RSS of p.g.o totally broken ?15:24
inzsvu, "call to a member on non-object" -- yes it is15:25
Copolycubeis wpa_supplicant available for the nokia 770 ?15:32
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Jaffalardman|lunch: yeah, on the N800 Bluetooth file sending works exactly how I want without extra fiddling. It was only on OS 2006 it was a pain16:27
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du1does anyone of you have a libsdl-gfx build in his hands??17:06
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du1i have some source wich uses rotatzoom.h and so on...17:07
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Pupnik_hi not I17:15
Pupnik_what game uses libsdl-gfx?17:15
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Copolycubebye cya soon17:59
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du1@Pupnik_: it is not a game17:59
du1it is a software for disabled's i've developed for another mobile device and i'm trying to port now onto the n80018:00
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molkkois there an r&d mode with root access etc in n800? where are the instructions to put it into r&d mode?20:43
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dragorngainroot.  install.  terminal.  "sudo gainroot"20:47
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ian_brasil_i have a problem apt-get update within scratchbox...clean install on ubuntu feisty ..i made the change to /etc/nsswitch.conf recommended here20:50
ian_brasil_but still no joy...anyone any ideas?20:51
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kulveian_brasil_: you changed both nssswitch.conf files20:55
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jku__ian_brasil_, IIRC you should change /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf on the host, not /etc/nsswitch.conf on target21:39
ian_brasil_ok, i will try that21:41
kulvethat's the second nsswitch.conf what I mean in my comment..21:42
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ian_brasil_that works....thx very much21:44
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molkkookay. found instructions for red-pill mode22:02
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tigertmolkko: flasher -h22:12
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molkkook. r&d more and redpills etc work ok. is there webserver with php ready-to-use package for n800 somewhere?22:37
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maddlermolkko: there should be a ngix package... and php523:10
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Pupnik_hey fucks23:39
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