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| Ayoze | hi all | 00:13 |
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| Pupnik | owwww Ted Stevens on Net Neutrality owwwwwww | 00:14 |
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| Ayoze | I've got a n770, and I've just flashed the 2006 release... Then I connect the usb to my PC, and the USB icon is not appearing in the tablet, does anybody know what could be happening? | 00:14 |
| Pupnik | close any programs accessing the mmc card or reboot device | 00:15 |
| Pupnik | then reconnect | 00:16 |
| Ayoze | ok :) | 00:16 |
| Pupnik | device will not allow usb access to mmc card if any programs are accessing files on the mmc | 00:17 |
| Ayoze | I've rebooted the device, and nothing changed Pupnik | 00:18 |
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| Pupnik | what OS is running on the pc? | 00:19 |
| Ayoze | linux | 00:20 |
| Pupnik | does 'lsusb' show anything? | 00:20 |
| ||cw | check dmesg too | 00:21 |
| Ayoze | hmmm well, if I put the usb periphehal mode, it works | 00:21 |
| Ayoze | but in the host mode, it doesnt show the icon | 00:21 |
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| ||cw | I've seen some dsitro's that require modprobing comes charset modules | 00:22 |
| ||cw | um | 00:22 |
| ||cw | if the 770 is in host mode, you can't plug it into a pc | 00:22 |
| ||cw | 'cause then your got 2 hosts on the bus and usb doens't like that | 00:22 |
| Ayoze | hmmmm... ok | 00:24 |
| Ayoze | I've made a wire to connect a usb periphehal to the tablet | 00:24 |
| Ayoze | if I connect it, it would show the icon? | 00:25 |
| ||cw | assuming you inject power to the device, and the 770 has drivers for it, you will be able to use it | 00:25 |
| ||cw | how you use it depends on what it is | 00:26 |
| Ayoze | ok :) | 00:26 |
| unique311 | 200+ people in this channel....... | 00:27 |
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| unique311 | 190 idles | 00:27 |
| unique311 | or watchers | 00:27 |
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| ||cw | that's not so unusual | 00:27 |
| unique311 | leave the watching for the angels such as loke | 00:28 |
| unique311 | everyone in the channel i command to speak... | 00:29 |
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| unique311 | they did the opposite | 00:34 |
| unique311 | lets try some reverse psychology | 00:35 |
| unique311 | everyone in the channel i command not to speak | 00:36 |
| unique311 | well type | 00:36 |
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| bipolar | has anyone ever used qemu to emulate the n800's cpu, and built a system for it? | 01:16 |
| bipolar | I'd like to get a whole debian armel enviroment going on it. | 01:16 |
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| koen | bipolar: you can't emulate armv6 and armv7 without getting sued by ARM ltd | 01:20 |
| koen | people that have the knowledge to implement it had to sign an NDA with ARM.... | 01:21 |
| bipolar | wow.... | 01:21 |
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| bipolar | koen: Is there another compatible arm spec that qemu can run? | 01:22 |
| bipolar | to build armel packages? | 01:22 |
| koen | which is why scratchbox doesn't like some of the nokia binaries | 01:22 |
| koen | bipolar: armv5te (n770) or armv4t | 01:22 |
| koen | bipolar: and of course you can cross-compile :) | 01:22 |
| bipolar | koen: yeah, crosscompiling would work, but then I'd have to transfer the bin's to the n800 to test | 01:23 |
| bipolar | koen: can bins compiled for armv5te work on the n800's proc? | 01:23 |
| koen | yes | 01:24 |
| koen | it's like i586 and i686 | 01:24 |
| bipolar | so it's not as optimized? | 01:24 |
| koen | sort off | 01:24 |
| bipolar | ok | 01:24 |
| koen | you can turn on vfp for armv5 as well | 01:24 |
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| maddler | evening... | 01:25 |
| bipolar | koen: I take it you've done this before? | 01:27 |
| bipolar | or do you just know what you're talking about? :) | 01:28 |
| koen | bipolar: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html and search for my name :) | 01:29 |
| bipolar | koen: nice... I'm glad guys like you are around to help n00bs | 01:30 |
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| bipolar | koen: are there any existing debian armel host images for qemu available anywhere that you know of? I've been unable to find one. Just tar'ed up file systems. | 02:15 |
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| Pupnik_ | yahoo censors Ron Paul - screenshot http://www.stateofbrain.com/images/rpyahoo1.gif | 04:06 |
| Pupnik_ | also http://www.stateofbrain.com/images/rpyahoo2.gif | 04:08 |
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| kulve | about the armv6 binaries: I use mainly sbrsh. No qemu problems (some other problems exist though, but not that much..) | 06:53 |
| gusti_ | kulve: what will be happen if i not using qemu? | 06:55 |
| gusti_ | kulve : sorry, i still cant got the meaning of qemu, just wanna know if is it possible | 06:57 |
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| kulve | if you compile a binary in sb (like hello world), it's an ARM binary. Your PC cannot run it as is. That's why sb uses qemu to run the ARM binaries. Another possibility is sbrsh (which have been longer in sb than qemu, iirc), which uses NFS to transfer the rootfs to the actual device and runs the binaries there transparently. | 07:10 |
| kulve | i.e. you can compile simple apps easily without the need to run anything. But e.g. configure(.ac) makes a bunch of tests to see what kind of environment it's running. So then you need something to run those ARM binaries that configure makes | 07:12 |
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| gusti_ | thnks | 07:31 |
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| jumpula | robtaylor: ping? | 10:23 |
| jumpula | robtaylor: if you're interested, there's now a devkit with all the debian tools upgraded to etch | 10:23 |
| jumpula | (or if anyone else is) | 10:24 |
| jumpula | still no official release, but the testings version is available at http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ | 10:24 |
| jumpula | -s | 10:26 |
| jumpula | note too, that it's not officially supported to all the latest tools in current maemo environment :) | 10:27 |
| jumpula | there might be some issues with gconf if using debhelper 5, for example | 10:27 |
| keesj | jumpula: did you test any maemo stuff? | 10:28 |
| jumpula | some. but not nearly everything. they will be tested completely in the near future. | 10:29 |
| jumpula | enough to know about the gconf issue, for example :] | 10:30 |
| jumpula | if i get myself to it, i might try a complete build and see what issues come up | 10:31 |
| jumpula | like in this week, if i got the time.. | 10:32 |
| Mithrandir | oh, good to see that there's interest in fixing up some of the packaging warts. | 10:32 |
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| jumpula | Mithrandir: there is | 10:32 |
| Mithrandir | what's a useful way to submit patches for those problems? | 10:32 |
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| jumpula | Mithrandir: you mean patches for scratchbox, of patches for packages themselves | 10:32 |
| Mithrandir | bugzilla, or mailing list or something else? | 10:32 |
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| Mithrandir | for packages themselves; I'm actually working on the Ubuntu mobile bits where we are using maemo packages. | 10:33 |
| Mithrandir | so I don't care that much about scratchbox itself. | 10:33 |
| jumpula | Mithrandir: bugzilla | 10:33 |
| Mithrandir | okie | 10:33 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 10:33 |
| jumpula | of=or | 10:34 |
| jumpula | i can't type. it's too early. | 10:34 |
| jumpula | should be asleep still :] | 10:34 |
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| Mithrandir | and you're a timezone ahead of me even. | 10:35 |
| keesj | jumpula: do you really need to use ~ in the file name? | 10:35 |
| Mithrandir | I should find some breakfast. | 10:35 |
| jumpula | keesj: for test builds, yes | 10:36 |
| jumpula | 1.0~1 is smaller than 1.0 for debian | 10:36 |
| keesj | oke , just asking :p | 10:36 |
| jumpula | so, if 1.0 get's released, apt will update the package | 10:37 |
| Mithrandir | crackfully enough, with ~ you can have version numbers less than 0 (but bigger than -0). | 10:37 |
| jumpula | not the most appealing character, i agree but the only one i could find that works that way :) | 10:37 |
| jumpula | Mithrandir: yup | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
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| keesj | Hi | 10:58 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:42 |
| maddler | hello | 11:57 |
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| Sandman | Is there a reason wget might freeze up ~4M into a download everytime, when saving to an SD card? | 12:08 |
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| du1 | hello | 12:48 |
| Copolycube | hi all | 12:49 |
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| kpel | hi guys | 12:49 |
| du1 | does anybody know how to get a complete FIASCO image from all(!) partitions(initfs, rootds, etc...) from a n800?? | 12:49 |
| du1 | i want to play around on my n800 and when i'm finished i want to be able to 'deploy' it as an image you can flash with flasher | 12:50 |
| du1 | s/rootds/rootfs/g | 12:51 |
| kulve | boot from mmc | 12:51 |
| kulve | then you can make a rootfs.jffs2 out of it | 12:51 |
| kulve | but I think you cannot make one from the flash | 12:51 |
| du1 | how did the hackers-edition do that? | 12:52 |
| du1 | they also deploy one .bin with all fs in it | 12:52 |
| kulve | I think there's no such public tool that creates a fiasco | 12:53 |
| du1 | :( | 12:54 |
| kulve | yeah | 12:54 |
| kulve | but you can install rootfs or initfs with the flasher with one command.. | 12:55 |
| du1 | i'll google a bit more - maybe i find a possibility to get a fiasco | 12:56 |
| kulve | be sure to document it, if you find a way.. | 12:56 |
| inz | Does 0xFFFF support fiasco images? | 12:58 |
| inz | If so, I guess you can see from it's sources how the image is built and just reverse the operation =) | 12:58 |
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| kulve | I would guess that it doesn't | 12:59 |
| inz | The name is Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher | 13:00 |
| inz | Which would indicate that it does | 13:00 |
| kulve | hmm.. yeah, I might be wrong here | 13:01 |
| du1 | ic | 13:02 |
| du1 | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ is down :( | 13:04 |
| inz | noticed... :( | 13:05 |
| kulve | google cache shows some parts of it at least | 13:05 |
| X-Fade_ | Make GtkMenu scroll arrows scroll by item. Fixes: NB#56638 | 13:06 |
| X-Fade_ | Nice :) | 13:06 |
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| Jaffa | Yay; and there's the expectation of a new firmware on 29th June | 13:07 |
| kulve | based on what? | 13:07 |
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| X-Fade_ | Cairo 1.4.6 is also in sardine now. Interesting.. | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | That's the latest date that Skype could be released to meet the 1H2007 committment, and big releases drive firmware (it seems, see Rhapsody release) | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | ^kulve: | 13:08 |
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| kulve | oh, those deadlines.. And those have never been missed.. | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | Don't think they have, they've just been at the latest date in the vague window. | 13:09 |
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| du1 | harr.... found something...: | 13:21 |
| du1 | http://web.archive.org/web/20060502154309/http://www.nopcode.org/ | 13:21 |
| du1 | there he writes a alternative way to access his page because he has probs with his isp or so... | 13:22 |
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| Pupnik_ | very nice: tecnoballz dev got back to me with info i need for the port | 13:41 |
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| robtaylor | jumpula: brilliant! | 13:52 |
| * robtaylor just hopes the osso guys start using it =) | 13:52 | |
| inz | maemo-hackers vte should now support 256 colors! | 13:58 |
| inz | If anyone cares to test, I'd appreciate | 13:58 |
| jumpula | robtaylor: they will. i will insist :) | 14:00 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: heh :) | 14:04 |
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| lardman | Anyone know exactly which model of c55x DSP is present in the N800 (or 770 for that matter)? Or how to find out? | 14:31 |
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| kulve | I don't, but why are you interested on that? | 14:36 |
| lardman | To use the chip support library, I'll need to know which variant the chip is | 14:38 |
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| kulve | "chip support library"? | 14:40 |
| lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru433j/spru433j.pdf | 14:40 |
| kulve | somehow I think those c55x chips should be very compatible.. | 14:40 |
| robtaylor | lardman: in the n800 its the OMAP2420and 770 is 1710 | 14:40 |
| lardman | Yes, I imagine so, and there are only a half dozen variants of the DSP | 14:40 |
| lardman | robtaylor: thanks, but I can't find any details of the variant of the DSP that goes in each OMAP | 14:41 |
| kulve | robtaylor: and both omaps has the same dsp, tms320c55sx | 14:41 |
| kulve | -s | 14:41 |
| Copolycube | I'm new to the nokia770 developper world, but... is there a way to turn off the invisible mode of the bluetooth ? | 14:42 |
| lardman | Copolycube: Yes, though I can't remember what the change is | 14:42 |
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| lardman | Copolycube: A change to the conf file iirc | 14:43 |
| Copolycube | because googling it didn't gave me much of an answer. | 14:43 |
| lardman | Try the mailing lists and the maemo wiki | 14:44 |
| lardman | Searching the mailing list that is | 14:44 |
| Copolycube | ok | 14:45 |
| Copolycube | Thanks | 14:45 |
| lardman | Regarding the CSL, I think I'll need to link against it to access the audio codec. I still need to have a proper read of the docs in the Ti DDK. | 14:46 |
| lardman | Copolycube: What version are you running (hw & software)? | 14:48 |
| lardman | Copolycube: You can use the BT applet on the topbar to enable/disable visibility on my N800 | 14:49 |
| kulve | "< Copolycube> I'm new to the nokia770" | 14:50 |
| lardman | ah ha | 14:50 |
| Copolycube | nokia 770 | 14:50 |
| Copolycube | for the hw | 14:50 |
| lardman | Well, I don't have my 770 here, but I thought that this option was added in one of the later updates | 14:50 |
| lardman | Easy way to check, on the n800 there's a bluetooth control panel applet with the option | 14:51 |
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| Jaffa | If you install OS2007on770, non-invisible Bluetooth is built-in, as lardman says | 14:53 |
| lardman | Jaffa: But it's not an option on the standard releases? | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | Not without some /etc poking IIRC. | 14:55 |
| Jaffa | Then you need sdptool, and even then I couldn't do any Obex file transfers | 14:55 |
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| lardman | Does sdpd need to be running? I imagine so: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto-bluetoothnetworking/ | 14:59 |
| lardman | not quite the right topic, but tells you how to get sdpd running | 14:59 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | lardman: yeah, but still couldn't do anything useful with my Windows laptop | 15:03 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Fair enough. There must be a missing link then, my N800 can happily receive and send files to mobile phones. | 15:04 |
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| svu | is RSS of p.g.o totally broken ? | 15:24 |
| svu | p.m.o | 15:24 |
| inz | svu, "call to a member on non-object" -- yes it is | 15:25 |
| svu | sweet | 15:29 |
| Copolycube | is wpa_supplicant available for the nokia 770 ? | 15:32 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|lunch: yeah, on the N800 Bluetooth file sending works exactly how I want without extra fiddling. It was only on OS 2006 it was a pain | 16:27 |
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| du1 | does anyone of you have a libsdl-gfx build in his hands?? | 17:06 |
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| du1 | i have some source wich uses rotatzoom.h and so on... | 17:07 |
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| Pupnik_ | hi not I | 17:15 |
| Pupnik_ | what game uses libsdl-gfx? | 17:15 |
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| Copolycube | bye cya soon | 17:59 |
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| du1 | @Pupnik_: it is not a game | 17:59 |
| du1 | ;) | 17:59 |
| du1 | it is a software for disabled's i've developed for another mobile device and i'm trying to port now onto the n800 | 18:00 |
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| lardman | bye | 18:21 |
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| molkko | is there an r&d mode with root access etc in n800? where are the instructions to put it into r&d mode? | 20:43 |
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| dragorn | gainroot. install. terminal. "sudo gainroot" | 20:47 |
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| ian_brasil_ | i have a problem apt-get update within scratchbox...clean install on ubuntu feisty ..i made the change to /etc/nsswitch.conf recommended here | 20:50 |
| ian_brasil_ | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-February/007863.html | 20:51 |
| ian_brasil_ | but still no joy...anyone any ideas? | 20:51 |
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| kulve | ian_brasil_: you changed both nssswitch.conf files | 20:55 |
| ian_brasil_ | yes | 20:55 |
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| jku__ | ian_brasil_, IIRC you should change /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf on the host, not /etc/nsswitch.conf on target | 21:39 |
| ian_brasil_ | ok, i will try that | 21:41 |
| kulve | that's the second nsswitch.conf what I mean in my comment.. | 21:42 |
| kulve | +t | 21:42 |
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| ian_brasil_ | that works....thx very much | 21:44 |
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| molkko | okay. found instructions for red-pill mode | 22:02 |
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| tigert | molkko: flasher -h | 22:12 |
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| molkko | ok. r&d more and redpills etc work ok. is there webserver with php ready-to-use package for n800 somewhere? | 22:37 |
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| maddler | hello! | 23:10 |
| maddler | molkko: there should be a ngix package... and php5 | 23:10 |
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| Pupnik_ | hey fucks | 23:39 |
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