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| Pupnik | is flash video as inefficient as the rest of flash? | 00:22 |
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| konttori_ | New UK MP RC3 just released! | 00:22 |
| konttori_ | Insane performance improvements | 00:23 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1286/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0RC3.deb | 00:23 |
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| Pupnik | nice konttori_ | 00:24 |
| konttori_ | Screen update for the smooth scrolling effect went up 4x. | 00:25 |
| Pupnik | i will have to check it out | 00:25 |
| kpel | impressive | 00:25 |
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| Pupnik | inz, if maemo is the name of the sdk, what's the name of the distro? it2006?/ 2007? | 00:27 |
| inz | Pupnik, ITOS | 00:27 |
| Pupnik | thanks. haven't seen the name used before | 00:28 |
| inz | Pupnik, at least nokia.com and wikipedia use it (Internet Tablet OS <insert year here> edition) | 00:30 |
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| Pupnik | ok. i think people aren't used-to a generic acronym as the name of a linux distro | 00:32 |
| Pupnik | so 'maemo' has more sticking power than does ITOS | 00:32 |
| kpel | i suppose it's a matter of time until ITOS sticks | 00:32 |
| kpel | mamemo.org got more press than itos | 00:33 |
| konttori_ | kpel: thanks (if that impressive was targeted to ukmp) | 00:34 |
| kpel | konttori: yes it was :) | 00:34 |
| kpel | what does MP stand for in UKMP? | 00:35 |
| konttori_ | I have 4 gigs on the device and man, I love having a good player as well. Now if I could only develop the playlists soon as well. | 00:35 |
| konttori_ | media player. | 00:35 |
| konttori_ | It | 00:36 |
| Pupnik | More Performance! | 00:36 |
| konttori_ | I'm thinking of a new name, but 1.0 version will be released with that one. | 00:36 |
| Pupnik | decide between media center and media player then :P | 00:36 |
| konttori_ | Oh, was it media center? Indeed. ... yeah. Umm.. Must get some sleep. ;) | 00:37 |
| Pupnik | :) | 00:38 |
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| konttori_ | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/04/uk-media-player-community-release.html | 00:39 |
| konttori_ | Fuzzy thoughts on the release before hitting the bed. | 00:40 |
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| inz | Weird, the planetplanet for planet.maemo.org does read the feeds, but the page is not updated | 01:33 |
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| kpel | goodnight all | 01:52 |
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| Ncharon | Hi | 02:06 |
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| Pupnik | anybody wanna playtest Exult? :/ | 02:31 |
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| Pupnik | hi unique311 | 03:48 |
| unique311 | whats up Pupnik | 03:51 |
| Pupnik | playtesting exult | 03:51 |
| Pupnik | there's like almost no drop in framerate from 400x240 to 800x480 with scale2x interpolation | 03:52 |
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| unique311 | cool game or what? | 03:55 |
| Pupnik | i love it. | 03:56 |
| unique311 | working on basiliskII | 03:56 |
| unique311 | got it compiled | 03:56 |
| Pupnik | the mac emu? | 03:56 |
| unique311 | now i have to get the correct rom and disk | 03:57 |
| Pupnik | cool | 03:57 |
| unique311 | i just found a site with a bunch | 03:57 |
| unique311 | about to test them out | 03:57 |
| unique311 | i had the screen with the floppy and the question mark....but everytime i tried the rom and disk image i have it would say illegal instructions | 03:58 |
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| unique311 | pupnik | 07:22 |
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| polpak | hello? | 08:57 |
| polpak | I'm still trying to get gstreamer to play video | 08:58 |
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| polpak | it's not giving any errors, but it's not playing either, and it's maxing out the cpu | 08:58 |
| polpak | on the device | 08:58 |
| kulve | polpak: what kind of video are trying to play? | 09:00 |
| polpak | kulve: just a short clip I recorded, then ran through 770_encode.pl | 09:02 |
| polpak | kulve: have you worked w/ gstreamer? | 09:04 |
| kulve | polpak: not much | 09:04 |
| kulve | maybe you should try the ad video that comes with the device? | 09:04 |
| kulve | just in case your video is too high quality or something | 09:04 |
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| polpak | ok | 09:05 |
| polpak | nope, same behavior | 09:06 |
| polpak | I'm wondering if I'm using the right sinks/decoders | 09:07 |
| polpak | as I know there are some which are supposed to be highly optimized for this platform | 09:07 |
| polpak | but there's really only one decoder option for the divx format 770_encoder gives back | 09:08 |
| kulve | I think there's nothing " highly optimized for this platform" ;) | 09:08 |
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| zuh | If you are talking about 770, there's the dsp plugin for mpeg videos (can | 09:15 |
| zuh | 't remember the exact name tho) | 09:15 |
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| zuh | But I remember it being picky on the videos it accepted | 09:15 |
| zuh | And IIRC it borked so bad that it needed a reboot to revive it... | 09:16 |
| zuh | But that was ages ago | 09:16 |
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| polpak | it's the 800 | 09:40 |
| polpak | I'm not sure if it's the video, or the avi demuxer | 09:41 |
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| keesj | Hallo | 09:53 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: did you have a maemo repository up? | 10:01 |
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| TimRiker | I'm trying to upgrade a new n800 from debian unstable. I run the flasher-3.0 but it never finds the device. I've tried both with and without the recommended patch. | 11:01 |
| TimRiker | kernel version: debian 2.6.20 build. | 11:01 |
| TimRiker | strace shows it at least opening the new device as it shows up in the usb layer, but it won't flash. | 11:02 |
| TimRiker | I'm trying image named: RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:07 |
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| Guardian | io | 11:08 |
| TimRiker | hmm. nite | 11:09 |
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| keesj | how can I download .deb files (I want to get libreadline4 and libreadline4-dev) | 11:47 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:49 |
| keesj | Hello | 11:50 |
| pahartik | keesj: "gnomevfs-copy" works with HTTP URLs | 11:54 |
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| keesj | I am not runnig gome | 11:55 |
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| keesj | I just don't understand where I can download the binay .deb files for readline4 | 11:56 |
| pahartik | keesj: I am talking about default shell of Maemo 2.2 | 11:56 |
| keesj | yes , it is in this repository http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 11:57 |
| keesj | but I want a hard copy of the .deb file | 11:57 |
| keesj | apt-get install libreadline4 (works) | 11:58 |
| dpb_ | if you've apt-get installed it, you should find the deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 12:00 |
| keesj | thanks! | 12:00 |
| jku_ | if you haven't "apt-get -d install libreadline4" will just download | 12:00 |
| pahartik | keesj: "apt-get -d install"? | 12:00 |
| keesj | thanks! | 12:01 |
| Jaffa | keesj: http://www.bleb.org/repo bora user | 12:04 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I an setting one up for wx based developent | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | Actually, scratch that - http://mud.bleb.org/repo bora user | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | (anything can go under "bora" or "user" and it should work) | 12:05 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: do you use the reprepro scripts? | 12:10 |
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| Pupnik | i wish both n800 and n770 shared the same path to primary mmc card | 12:14 |
| Pupnik | does n800 have /media/mmc1? | 12:15 |
| kulve | yes | 12:15 |
| Pupnik | i see most people talking about /media/mmc2 for n800, and i want to set a --prefix that's not on root | 12:15 |
| kulve | it's the external card | 12:15 |
| Pupnik | oh good :) | 12:15 |
| Pupnik | thanks kulve | 12:15 |
| kulve | not well tested, feedback is most welcome: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/04/27/ogg-support-for-n800/ | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | keesj: no (never heard of them, I don't think) | 12:17 |
| kulve | 'not well tested', as in "not really tested" .. | 12:17 |
| Pupnik | you added it to gstreamer kulve? | 12:17 |
| kulve | Pupnik: that include codec libs and gst plugins, if that's what you mean.. | 12:17 |
| Pupnik | nice | 12:18 |
| kulve | i.e. vorbis and theora | 12:18 |
| Pupnik | not tremor? | 12:18 |
| kulve | that too | 12:18 |
| Pupnik | maybe after testing it will get added to a main repository? | 12:18 |
| kulve | dunno about that. Maybe some day.. | 12:19 |
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| Pupnik | kulve, does it change media player so it displays oggs in a directory browse? | 12:20 |
| kulve | it doesn't that media player | 12:21 |
| kulve | but e.g. file manager shows oggs with proper icons | 12:21 |
| kulve | or "proper". I couldn't think of any good icon for a container which can be video or audio.. | 12:21 |
| Pupnik | ok. | 12:22 |
| kulve | s,that,touch, .. | 12:23 |
| Pupnik | that's a very useful/important extension and i wish it would get included in the next it2007 release | 12:23 |
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| Pupnik | for the n800 users who don't hang in #maemo all day :) | 12:23 |
| kulve | that won't happen. It's not a big deal technically, so the reason is politic/legal/whatever. And those reasons hasn't probably changed.. | 12:24 |
| Pupnik | has someone threatened to sue vorbis/ogg for patent violation? | 12:26 |
| kulve | I don't know about those things. And I don't really care :) | 12:26 |
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| zuh | Apparently the ogg format is _suggested_ to be using patented technology, but nobody has lift a finger to prove it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg#Patent_trouble) | 12:55 |
| zuh | Thus people like Nokia lawyers will deem it as a too much of a risk to distribute | 12:55 |
| zuh | Although (according to that wikipedia article) it's all based on the patent holders vague statement | 12:57 |
| kulve | nice to claim something like that and do nothing to it afterwards.. | 12:58 |
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| zuh | Well to me it seems like that's the only way to keep the illusion up. It's open source, if they wanted to prove it, it would be easy enough as the code is available | 13:01 |
| zuh | Or maybe they already know and just wait for a big fish to catch it and then sue for big money | 13:02 |
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| Pupnik | then this becomes relevant to this channel | 13:05 |
| Pupnik | i'd like to take kulve's attitude and "not care" | 13:06 |
| Pupnik | but ogg is a better format | 13:08 |
| * zuh doesn't use the mediaplayer for music anymore, and hopefully not for videos later either | 13:08 | |
| Pupnik | it hurts me directly, porting games, i can't use the dsp for ogg decoding of music | 13:09 |
| Pupnik | well for playing music directly there are a number of solutions, including kulve's | 13:10 |
| zuh | tremor takes <15% of CPU so that shouldn't pose a big problem? | 13:10 |
| zuh | If the game can't survive that, maybe the musics shouldn't be played then ;) | 13:11 |
| Pupnik | yes it does when the games run too slow as-is. Take ur-quan masters for example. There is over 400MB of ogg music available for it, and transcoding that to mp3 is just sick | 13:11 |
| Pupnik | yes computers should be for work only i agree | 13:12 |
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| kulve | I dont :) | 13:14 |
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| Pupnik | i can't believe that the offhand remarks of Henri Linde, ""I would say we continue to have some thoughts that it is very likely that they are using some of the Thomson/Fraunhofer solutions in the project...But it's not part of our daily concern." back in 2001 actually prevent nokia from supporting Ogg | 13:16 |
| Pupnik | if true, that's just sick | 13:17 |
| zuh | It's less effort and money to play it safe than to prove it either way | 13:20 |
| zuh | It's free, so probably nobody has enough interest in it to spend the money | 13:22 |
| zuh | But I'm just guessing of course, for I am not anal...err IANAL. | 13:23 |
| Pupnik | automake keeps adding -O2 -Wno-long-long | 13:40 |
| Pupnik | grr | 13:41 |
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| rambokid | MDK: hi, have you released the graff code anywhere yet? | 13:54 |
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| Pupnik | is -Wno-long-long a performance detriment? | 14:02 |
| Pupnik | this makefile keeps sticking it in there even though i don't define it in cflags | 14:03 |
| Pupnik | it also sticks -O2 in there though i specify -O3 in makefile's CFLAGS and environment | 14:03 |
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| MDK | rambokid: no, it's in very experimental shape right now and I haven't yet checked if I can do it | 14:13 |
| MDK | rambokid: but yes, that's the plan | 14:13 |
| MDK | as soon as it actually shapes up to a level of a serious proposition | 14:14 |
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| X-Fade | MDK: It seemed to create a lot of reactions. Positive and negative though.. | 14:18 |
| zuh | MDK: Be careful of having the community start accusing you of secresy ;) | 14:19 |
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| ignacius | hi! I'm having problems installing bora 3.1 sdk | 14:24 |
| MDK | the "community" here is mostly people who came from digg I guess | 14:24 |
| ignacius | when I try to do apt-get install maemo-explicit | 14:24 |
| ignacius | It gives me a lot of problems | 14:25 |
| MDK | the comments on digg went into "VISTA owns MACOSX" after 10 posts, the usual crap | 14:25 |
| ignacius | mainly I think related with busybox | 14:25 |
| ignacius | trying to remove bash and other packages | 14:26 |
| ignacius | the repository I have at /etc/apt/sources.list is deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 14:27 |
| ignacius | does anybody know what could be happening? | 14:27 |
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| X-Fade | MDK: Yeah and comments about combining the multiple efforts for a canvas.. | 14:28 |
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| inz | planet.maemo.org still b0rked | 14:42 |
| Pupnik | oh duh, it's just a -W warning | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | inz: Try the test one instead ;) http://test.maemo.org/community/planet-maemo/ | 14:50 |
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| inz | X-Fade, yeah, it works 'aight | 15:08 |
| inz | X-Fade, it's just a bit too long to type in ;) | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | I guess that a link will eventually appear on the frontpage ;) | 15:13 |
| inz | links be damned | 15:13 |
| inz | worse than a long url is not to have a direct url at all | 15:14 |
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| jordi | hey | 15:26 |
| jordi | is there anyone involved in test.maemo.org here? | 15:26 |
| jordi | notice the Copyright footer link is associated to the Planet Maemo post, not nokia actually | 15:26 |
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| X-Fade | jordi: Yeah, there are more issues with the footer. That has already been noted on the list.. | 15:32 |
| konttori | By the way, planet doesn't seem to update correctly. Last post is a few days old in there. | 15:33 |
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| bergie | konttori: yeah, something wrong with the old planet... the planet on test.maemo.org should be operational | 15:58 |
| bergie | t.m.o will be m.o next week anyhow | 15:58 |
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| konttori | test.maemo.org | 16:05 |
| konttori | cool. thanks | 16:05 |
| konttori | will the 'old' one be replaced by the new one soon? | 16:06 |
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| * Jaffa still doesn't like the speech bubble design, although prettily implemplemented, I still think it's tacky, and the posts (the most important thing on the page) take up only about 25% of the page width... | 16:08 | |
| Knirch | breaks like heck here :/ | 16:15 |
| Knirch | but I guess it's opera optimized | 16:15 |
| Knirch | and my 770 is at home | 16:15 |
| Knirch | have to go two levels beneath normal to not get overflows | 16:16 |
| konttori | what's the address to test planet? | 16:16 |
| konttori | got it: | 16:16 |
| Knirch | http://test.maemo.org/community/planet-maemo/ | 16:16 |
| konttori | thanks | 16:16 |
| konttori | how can we change the face icons? | 16:17 |
| Pupnik | looks fine to me | 16:18 |
| konttori | just wondering. | 16:18 |
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| tigert | that looks nice | 16:26 |
| tigert | konttori: got my msgs? | 16:27 |
| inz | konttori, I guess we can live with the default bearded guy, but I suppose karoliina doesn't really appreciate ;) | 16:28 |
| tigert | hehe | 16:28 |
| tigert | the funny part is the bearded guy is actually me :) | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Not sure if changing your gotchi is supported yet. I guess it will be.. | 16:29 |
| tigert | bergie: does the planet module support hackergotchis? | 16:29 |
| tigert | those are pretty essential | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | The info it gathered from your garage account. So I guess it needs to be added there? | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | *is | 16:30 |
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| bergie | tigert: yeah, hackergotchis would be supported but ATM we have no way for people to provide them | 16:48 |
| bergie | no image upload field so far in garage profile | 16:48 |
| * mgedmin read that as 'garbage' for a brief moment | 16:49 | |
| tigert | right | 16:49 |
| tigert | bergie: gravatar? :) | 16:49 |
| tigert | lets go web2.0! everything scattered around the web! ;^) | 16:49 |
| bergie | that is one option... but what email addresses do people have in their garage profiles? | 16:49 |
| tigert | but its a bit nasty | 16:49 |
| tigert | perhaps make a midgard gallery and then just link it to the planet feed properties? | 16:50 |
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| tigert | ie, when adding a new feed, upload an avatar and link to it in the feed setting? | 16:50 |
| bergie | or just an "extra account details" editor in Midgard | 16:51 |
| bergie | so people can upload them themselves | 16:51 |
| tigert | perhaps | 16:51 |
| tigert | though then it would be yet another place to edit info | 16:51 |
| tigert | which is not good | 16:51 |
| tigert | since the garage is the primary editor | 16:52 |
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| sussman | Hi guys. I'm running my n800 in 'red pill mode', and have the xterm working now. My application manager repeatedly fails to install the 'ssh' app, though -- "failed to download". | 16:56 |
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| sussman | from within xterm, 'dpkg -l ssh' shows the ssh package available, but not installed. 'sudo apt-get install ssh' returns no output. | 16:57 |
| sussman | can someone give me a clue about how to get an ssh client working? | 16:57 |
| lardman | Seeing all the talk of umac.ko, doesn't this driver load a binary blob like the bluetooth one? | 16:58 |
| lardman | sussman: dropbear works | 16:59 |
| sussman | I think I'm having trouble finding dropbear. | 16:59 |
| sussman | is that a commandline binary to run within the shell?\ | 16:59 |
| sussman | or a standalone gui app? | 16:59 |
| lardman | command line | 16:59 |
| sussman | maybe I need to add a new repository to get in on OS2007 | 16:59 |
| * sussman googles a bit more | 17:00 | |
| lardman | there's a list somewhere. Equally, is dropbear not in the catalogue, or is this not working atm? | 17:00 |
| sussman | I see no dropbear in the catalogue | 17:01 |
| sussman | wait | 17:01 |
| sussman | no | 17:01 |
| sussman | I see client and server | 17:01 |
| sussman | aha | 17:01 |
| sussman | what the | 17:01 |
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| X-Fade | sussman: Maybe you should first become root with: sudo gainroot | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | And then install ssh.. | 17:01 |
| sussman | when I hit the install button, it says "conflict has occurred, cannot install" | 17:02 |
| tigert | why use dropbear when you have real openssh? | 17:02 |
| lardman | look at the installation log, perhaps ssh was installed | 17:02 |
| sussman | "dropbear-client conflicts with packages: dropbear" | 17:02 |
| sussman | tigert: I'm willing to use *any* ssh client. | 17:02 |
| sussman | from within xterm, 'dpkg -l ssh' shows the ssh package available, but not installed. 'sudo apt-get install ssh' returns no output. | 17:02 |
| sussman | and application manager "fails to download" ssh | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | sussman: sudo gainroot | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | do that first.. | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | If you have r&d mode enabled ofcourse ;) | 17:03 |
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| tigert | you cannot "sudo apt-get" | 17:03 |
| sussman | ummmm | 17:03 |
| tigert | afaik | 17:03 |
| sussman | sudo gainroot says: | 17:03 |
| tigert | R&D mode | 17:04 |
| sussman | "cal_read_black(r&_mode): size_zero, block not found? | 17:04 |
| sussman | Enable RD bode if you want to break your device | 17:04 |
| sussman | er, mode | 17:04 |
| sussman | I guess I'm not in R&D mode | 17:04 |
| tigert | that first line is weird, | 17:04 |
| lardman | ignore the warning | 17:04 |
| tigert | but you are not, if you havent set it yourself | 17:04 |
| sussman | I need to go to r&d mode to apt-get install ssh? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | To use apt-get yes.. | 17:05 |
| sussman | something seems a bit odd. why does application manager fail to download ssh? | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | sussman: It is only for user apps.. | 17:05 |
| sussman | and apparently, I already have a 'dropbear' package installed, that's preventing me from intsalling "dropbear-client", yet 'ssh' is command not found | 17:05 |
| sussman | X-Fade: ah, ok. | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | You are trying to install a development package.. | 17:06 |
| lardman | But one can install other non-user apps without being in R&D mode | 17:06 |
| lardman | e.g. python | 17:06 |
| sussman | yeah, I have python installed. works fine. | 17:06 |
| inz | suss, try dbclient instead of ssh | 17:06 |
| sussman | ok | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | sussman: Are you using the bora repository? | 17:06 |
| lardman | what is it about ssh that stops it being installed without r&d mode? | 17:06 |
| Okko | sussman: are you trying to install ssh client or server? | 17:07 |
| sussman | aha, dbclient appears to be an ssh client! | 17:07 |
| sussman | it runs | 17:07 |
| sussman | Okko: just a clien | 17:07 |
| inz | suss, now you have both! | 17:07 |
| Okko | sussman: dropbear-client should be available in app manager and install just fine | 17:07 |
| gla55 | that you got ssh doesn't mean it would be in path | 17:07 |
| sp3000 | what's that, windows :P | 17:07 |
| gla55 | at least previously it didn't get installed so | 17:07 |
| sussman | ok, so apparently I had installed package 'dropbear' a week ago, and didn't know how to run it. :-). 'dbclient' seems to be working... I think | 17:08 |
| * sussman waits | 17:08 | |
| * sussman wonders if tigert is the Famous Artist by the same name | 17:09 | |
| * sp3000 has never had any issues with the openssh package, go figure (well, except the way it fails when appman isn't set to show all packages is unhelpful) | 17:09 | |
| pyhimys | does the openssh install allways the server aswell? | 17:09 |
| sussman | sp3000: I only see 'ssh' in the application manager; maybe my repository target is messed up. it just says "failed to download" | 17:09 |
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| * sp3000 generally uses the dead-easy tap on the big green arrow method of installation | 17:12 | |
| sussman | yeah, I'd prefer that. :-) | 17:12 |
| sussman | has anyone ported emacs to maemo? | 17:12 |
| * sussman dodges tomatoes | 17:12 | |
| derf | Hmm, oprofile support for ARM in 2.6.21. | 17:14 |
| Tak|work | there's zile | 17:15 |
| pyhimys | What! There is no ed! | 17:15 |
| sp3000 | hm, uninstall + install of ssh worked fine | 17:16 |
| sussman | dbclient seems to be worknig for me. | 17:16 |
| sp3000 | but then it doesn't exactly do much wrt repo conf at that point | 17:16 |
| sussman | though true openssh would give me warm fuzzies | 17:16 |
| sp3000 | anything besides failed to download in the appman log? | 17:17 |
| sussman | aha, this time it got farther | 17:17 |
| sussman | appman downloaded 'ssh' package, gave me a status bar showing it being installed | 17:17 |
| sussman | then popped up a useless box saying 'failed to install' | 17:18 |
| sussman | where's the log? | 17:18 |
| sp3000 | menu | 17:18 |
| sp3000 | -> tools -> log | 17:18 |
| sussman | unpacknig ssh... | 17:19 |
| sussman | oho | 17:19 |
| sussman | dpkg died, trying to overwrite /usr/bin/scp, which is owned by dropbear | 17:19 |
| * sussman kills the bear | 17:19 | |
| sp3000 | yay for distributed repos without conflict sync :) | 17:20 |
| timeless | what's conflict sync? | 17:20 |
| sussman | my fantasy is to port an svn client to maemo. but I'd have to get APR ported first. :-/ | 17:20 |
| sp3000 | well, having useful conflicts | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | svn +1 | 17:21 |
| timeless | sp3000: i think adding conflicts is easy | 17:21 |
| Veggen | svn should be easy enough to compile? | 17:21 |
| timeless | svn should just work | 17:21 |
| sussman | svn depends on APR, which is a big portability library | 17:21 |
| sussman | svn and apr are both ansi C thouh | 17:21 |
| timeless | ansi? | 17:21 |
| sussman | apr should just view the OS as linux, I assume | 17:21 |
| timeless | i find that hard to believe | 17:21 |
| sussman | C99 | 17:22 |
| sp3000 | sussman: don't forget to change the root pw after installing ssh :) | 17:22 |
| Tak|work | heh, big difference between C99 and ansi | 17:22 |
| sussman | sp3000: openssh installs an sshd?? | 17:22 |
| sp3000 | yes | 17:22 |
| sussman | ha | 17:22 |
| sussman | Tak|work: yeah, sorry. I'm living in the past | 17:22 |
| sussman | what's the standard way to port tools to maemo? just run a gcc-cross-compiler on a normal linux box? | 17:23 |
| Tak|work | no worries; everybody hates C99 anyway :-P | 17:23 |
| sussman | for ARM? | 17:23 |
| timeless | sussman: who needs standards? | 17:23 |
| timeless | most people use scratchbox w/ qemu | 17:23 |
| Tak|work | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 17:23 |
| timeless | and code sourcery crosso compiler | 17:23 |
| sussman | tigert: I sit next to jon trowbridge at work. he says he knows you. :-) | 17:23 |
| * sussman wants his emacs | 17:24 | |
| Tak|work | http://www.scratchpost.org/nokia-770/packages/zile/ | 17:25 |
| tigert | sussman: say hi to him :) | 17:25 |
| tigert | yeah, he does | 17:25 |
| sussman | :) | 17:26 |
| sussman | jeremy alison is also on my team now. | 17:26 |
| tigert | jon: I remember the word "parakeet" now :) | 17:27 |
| sussman | tigert: jon isn't here yet. :) | 17:29 |
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| sussman | if I can get svn ported, then I can do python development work on the road. | 17:30 |
| sussman | though maybe a bluetooth keyboard would help. | 17:30 |
| tigert | sussman: ok :) | 17:36 |
| sussman | ok, so it looks like if I use scratchbox, I should be able to compile apr/neon/subversion | 17:39 |
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| sussman | do people recommend specific bluetooth keyboards? | 17:57 |
| gla55 | stowaway sierra | 17:58 |
| gla55 | because it has the numbers row too | 17:58 |
| Robot101 | thinkoutside ones are nice too | 18:01 |
| gla55 | stowaways are thinkoutsides | 18:01 |
| Pupnik | derf, good news | 18:01 |
| Robot101 | oh right :D | 18:01 |
| gla55 | i got the one without the numbers row | 18:01 |
| Robot101 | they have an ubertiny one without numbers, and a magical 3-fold one that has numbers too | 18:01 |
| gla55 | and it's superb | 18:02 |
| gla55 | but.. it lacks the numbers row which makes it crappier for terminal usage | 18:02 |
| sussman | what the... the stowaway is listed sometimes for $85, sometimes for $125 | 18:02 |
| sussman | that's a big delta | 18:02 |
| gla55 | for irc etc etc it sucks if you lack that extra row | 18:02 |
| gla55 | yeah.. buying direct from them is expensive | 18:02 |
| gla55 | amazon etc got it usually for good price | 18:02 |
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| Pupnik | the small bt stowaway is fine for chat and email, but painful for shell, coding etc | 18:04 |
| sussman | Pupnik: oh? why? | 18:05 |
| Robot101 | you need punctuation too often | 18:05 |
| gla55 | pupnik: yeah | 18:05 |
| gla55 | sussman: you need the full kb'ness when coding , shell or etc | 18:06 |
| gla55 | the extra row really helps.. | 18:06 |
| sussman | so the the original stowaway has no number row, but the stowaway 'sierra' has the number row? | 18:06 |
| gla55 | yes | 18:06 |
| * sussman reads more articles about it | 18:07 | |
| gla55 | and if you use extra kb with 770/800 you probably want the full pc experience instead of just typing text for some chat | 18:08 |
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| maddler | \/wg 21 | 18:10 |
| maddler | wops... | 18:10 |
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| sussman | http://www.techdepot.com/product.asp?productID=5568562&info=Over#tabs | 18:28 |
| sussman | hm, that looks like the sierra, but the description doesn't say 'sierra' | 18:28 |
| gla55 | yeah it looks like it.. | 18:30 |
| gla55 | http://www.amazon.com/Think-Outside-SBT5E-Stowaway-Bluetooth/dp/B000FG44BA | 18:31 |
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| gla55 | that's amazon for it, 85$ | 18:31 |
| * cworth puts his n800 into a tight reboot loop by flashing Maemo_Dev_Platform_v3.1_armel-rootfs.jffs2 . :-( | 18:33 | |
| bill20r3 | :-( | 18:35 |
| tko | that's bad... | 18:36 |
| cworth | And reflashing the non-developer Fiasco image has now put it into a tighter reboot loop... | 18:37 |
| cworth | (Before I'd get "NOKIA" then "SDK" and the scrollbar would progress about half way. Now I just get "NOKIA" flashing up for a few seconds.) | 18:38 |
| X-Fade | cworth: Is it possible that your battery is now close to empty? | 18:39 |
| cworth | X-Fade: It's plugged into the wall, so... | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | It shuts itself down if it is low on power.. | 18:40 |
| kabtoffe | Has anyone else noticed how well the Nokia N800 is suited for screen + irssi use? | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | cworth: It is only able to charge when it boots :) | 18:40 |
| Tak|work | I use xchat + dircproxy | 18:40 |
| cworth | X-Fade: That's... uhm... :-( | 18:40 |
| kabtoffe | Especially with a bluetooth keyboard. | 18:40 |
| cworth | X-Fade: Previously it had been plugged in and unattended for many days, (and I think it had been booted that whole time, but I can't be totally sure I guess). | 18:41 |
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| X-Fade | cworth: Problem is that booting uses a lot of energy. I'm not sure if it can recharge at the same rate.. | 18:44 |
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| kabtoffe | Someone should make an irssi-toolbar for the x-terminal. | 18:50 |
| bill20r3 | I wish the n800 didn't turn on when it's done charging. | 18:51 |
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| derf | bill20r3: What? Mine doesn't do that. | 18:58 |
| bill20r3 | when I leave it on charge, it's on the next day. | 18:59 |
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| Pupnik | new version of Exult Ultima 7 remake up at http://pupnik.de/exult770. Fixes: config issues, install directories, savefile name generation, dsp mp3 playback handling | 19:15 |
| Pupnik | i'm really curious to hear how it runs on an n800 | 19:15 |
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| bill20r3 | I could try, if'n I had the "data from the original DOS game" | 19:17 |
| fuelfive | how come my iwconfig link quality always reads something nonsensical, like "43/0"? | 19:17 |
| sussman | Pupnik: it's a ... game? | 19:18 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 19:18 |
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| jku__ | pupnik: are you serious? Is Exult playable? | 19:37 |
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| gla55 | dunno why shouldnt it? | 19:39 |
| gla55 | exult was playable on a zaurus after all | 19:39 |
| jku__ | I just read the release notes and it does look pretty good... | 19:40 |
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| Pupnik | i've been playtesting for several hours now, and it's real fun :) | 19:41 |
| jku__ | gla55, I didn't mean it couldn't run on the hardware, I was wondering about the UI, music, etc. | 19:41 |
| Pupnik | i converted music to mp3 for gstreamer playback. Ui is workable now, but not yet optimal | 19:41 |
| jku__ | Pupnik, you may well be responsible for a failure on my exams on monday... | 19:41 |
| Pupnik | You gotta see it - it's beyuutiful. | 19:42 |
| gla55 | fellowship must die | 19:42 |
| gla55 | i've lost my ultima 7 cloth map tho :< | 19:43 |
| jku__ | I believe you U7 was amazing when it came out and it's still pretty nice... | 19:43 |
| jku__ | gla55: why, they seem like such nice guys? :) | 19:43 |
| * Pupnik still has his U4 and u5 maps :D | 19:43 | |
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| jku__ | I'll have to dig my Black Gate from a backup somewhere | 19:44 |
| Pupnik | I mapped the top-row buttons to shortcuts: combat, eat, and map | 19:44 |
| jku__ | or is it easier to find on the net? | 19:44 |
| behanw | I'm having issues with the scratchbox install for the maemo dev environment | 19:44 |
| behanw | Any ideas why DNS lookups would fail inside scratchbox? | 19:45 |
| behanw | resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf are both correct. | 19:45 |
| koen | /etc/resolv.conf | 19:45 |
| behanw | It's fine. | 19:45 |
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| behanw | When I run apt-get under strace, there are no nss lookups at all. | 19:45 |
| behanw | It's like it's not even looking at nsswitch.conf (and therfore not at resolv.conf) | 19:46 |
| behanw | I'm stumped. | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | behanw: /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 19:46 |
| * sussman downloads exult770 to his n800 | 19:46 | |
| behanw | Yep. | 19:46 |
| behanw | Those ones. | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | mention of mdns in nsswitch.conf breaks DNS lookups for all Ubuntu Feisty users | 19:47 |
| behanw | They are /etc/nss.. and /etc/resolve.conf when in scratchbox right? | 19:47 |
| behanw | No mdns in nsswitch.conf. | 19:47 |
| behanw | Already checked that. | 19:47 |
| behanw | This is very annoying. :( | 19:47 |
| jku__ | behanw, they're not the same | 19:48 |
| jku__ | /etc/* in scratchbox and /scrartchbox/etc/* | 19:48 |
| jku__ | check /etc/scratchbox/nsswitch.conf | 19:49 |
| behanw | Damnit. | 19:50 |
| jku__ | my hosts-line is | 19:50 |
| behanw | Thank you mgedmin and jku__ | 19:50 |
| jku__ | hosts: files dns | 19:50 |
| behanw | That's the issue. | 19:50 |
| behanw | I knew somebody here would have the answer... | 19:50 |
| behanw | Thanks guys. | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | it's a faq | 19:51 |
| behanw | mgedmin. | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | shame there's no faq list someone could update with this answer... | 19:51 |
| behanw | mgedmin: I checked the forums and such, but I wasn't checking the right files.... | 19:51 |
| behanw | How about the wiki? | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | yes, that's tricky | 19:51 |
| sussman | Pupnik: hey, I need to find the original DOS game to try it out? to get the original data? | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | is the wiki editable now? | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | was the migration to test.maemo.org competed? | 19:52 |
| behanw | I assumed it was. | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | I missed the announcement | 19:52 |
| behanw | Is it not? | 19:52 |
| behanw | Wikis to me are editable. :) | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | the old maemo.org wiki was made read-only a month or two ago | 19:52 |
| behanw | Ah. | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | because someone was working on migrating the data to the new site | 19:52 |
| behanw | I'm new to maemo as of a few weeks. | 19:52 |
| behanw | Been drooling over it, and finally made the plunge. | 19:53 |
| behanw | I'm very impressed with the N800 I bought. | 19:53 |
| behanw | That's why I'm keen to get the dev env working. | 19:53 |
| Pupnik | sussman: yes | 19:53 |
| * Pupnik lives daily with n800 envy | 19:54 | |
| gla55 | hehe | 19:54 |
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| behanw | I am also very impressed that it uses dpkg/apt-get. | 19:55 |
| behanw | Now it's only my cell which doesn't run a Debian derivative. ;) | 19:55 |
| Pupnik | but i'm not upgrading. I can make things run acceptably fast on the 770 | 19:55 |
| behanw | ebay the 770 and by a n800 :) | 19:56 |
| behanw | Does the 770 have an IR port? | 19:56 |
| Pupnik | no | 19:56 |
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| behanw | Curious. I thought I saw a universal remote app somewhere for the 770 | 19:57 |
| behanw | I wondered. | 19:57 |
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| behanw | Excellent. The maemo install worked this time. Thanks for the help. | 20:00 |
| * Pupnik needs to figure out how to use the virtual keyboard from an SDL app | 20:03 | |
| Pupnik | if you find issues/bugs with exult, please drop me a message, or post here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5978&page=2 | 20:05 |
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| Pupnik | hello ssvb | 20:21 |
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| ssvb | Pupnik: hello | 20:24 |
| adoyle | is there some way to make the 770flasher on Mac OS X enable R&D mode? | 20:24 |
| Pupnik | what are you working on nowadays ssvb? | 20:25 |
| Pupnik | adoyle: don't know, what does the documentation say? | 20:25 |
| adoyle | documentation? :) | 20:25 |
| adoyle | I'm asking because I realize I can still use 'becomeroot' from eko.one.pl on the N8800 but worry about whether that's the right thing to do | 20:26 |
| Pupnik | what do you want r&d mode for? | 20:27 |
| adoyle | to 'sudo gainroot' | 20:28 |
| Pupnik | oh, i just ssh to root for that | 20:28 |
| adoyle | well, I used to do that, but then I discovered the sudo gainroot thing... I guess I'll go back to the ssh route | 20:28 |
| ssvb | Pupnik: I'm going to make an optimized YV12->YUV420 convertor and try using it on Nokia 770 (instead of YV12->YUY2) to accelerate video output a bit | 20:30 |
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| Pupnik | interesting stuff. i guess transferring to YUV420 allows omap to accelerate rendering to framebuffer | 20:35 |
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| tigert | remember, when you install ssh, to change your root password | 20:39 |
| tigert | since it installs sshd also | 20:39 |
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| adoyle | tigert - definitely! | 20:40 |
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| Guard][an | re | 21:01 |
| Pupnik | heh, how apropos. The Guardian is the final villain of the Ultima series of computer role playing games. He is also the series' most frequently recurring villain, being the only character to feature as the main villain in more than one game. | 21:04 |
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| * mgedmin remembers playing Ultima IV for hours... | 21:08 | |
| Pupnik | mgedmin :) http://www.pupnik.de/xu4_nokia_770_01_med.jpg | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | how do you type text? :) | 21:09 |
| behanw | Pupnik: this is seriously cool | 21:09 |
| Pupnik | bt keybd :) | 21:09 |
| behanw | Talk about memories. | 21:09 |
| behanw | And I thought lxdoom on this platform was retro. | 21:09 |
| Pupnik | heh i just compiled akalabeth (ultima1) and tested it on the 770 | 21:10 |
| Pupnik | can't get much older than that :D | 21:10 |
| behanw | True. | 21:10 |
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| derf | How about Doom in Javascript? http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/83/play.xhtml | 21:10 |
| behanw | How about pong? ;) | 21:10 |
| Tak|work | the guardian was cool in ultima underworld 2 | 21:12 |
| Pupnik | the UW games were surprisingly good despite the crude 3d | 21:13 |
| Tak|work | especially #2 - it was amazing for my 486 | 21:13 |
| Pupnik | i just played em recently. good plots | 21:15 |
| Tak|work | well...the plot for #1 was iffy IMO | 21:16 |
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| Pupnik | yeah two sticks in my recollection better... though i never finished due to a plot bug | 21:17 |
| Tak|work | plot bug? | 21:17 |
| Pupnik | i don't recall the details TBH.. some conversation point refused to turn up | 21:18 |
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| Pupnik | puzzles, adventures, RPGs... games i think fit well with the nokias | 21:20 |
| gla55 | uw1 and 2 were great | 21:20 |
| gla55 | system shock of course too | 21:21 |
| gla55 | though in both of them you could fuck up the game by losing some stuff | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | an npc once blocked my path and I was stuck in a corner of a room somewhere in ultima vii | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | that was annoying | 21:22 |
| Pupnik | they did that in older ones too, sometimes. | 21:24 |
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| Pupnik | that doom in javascript is pretty amazing | 21:28 |
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| behanw | Are there a libmysqlclient dev libraries already packaged? | 21:31 |
| behanw | for maemo that is? Anyone? | 21:32 |
| Pupnik | don't see one but here's a howto http://guymage.net/index.php/2006/04/25/45-nokia-770-mysql-remote-connection-with-libmysqlclient-for-arm | 21:34 |
| behanw | Thanks. I was just looking at rebuilding the debian version of mysqlclient for maemo. | 21:35 |
| behanw | The gmyth project has a package, but no dev package. | 21:35 |
| maddler | evening all... | 21:36 |
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| TimRiker | I have a n800 that says "Not Charging" whenever I plug the power into it. | 21:44 |
| TimRiker | any fixes to get around that? | 21:44 |
| TimRiker | the same battery and charger will charge in another unit. this one just runs the battery down to nothing and then dies. pluggig in the charger shows the same "! not charging" | 21:45 |
| TimRiker | bad unit? | 21:45 |
| Pupnik | sounds like it | 21:46 |
| TimRiker | bummer. | 21:53 |
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| TimRiker | also, I can't get the flasher to see my devices. using flasher-3.0 on kernel 2.6.20 under debian unstable with or without the path fix. strace on the patcher shows that it does get notified of the new usb connection, but it still does not report that it sees the device. | 22:07 |
| TimRiker | (note: trying this on a different n800, that works fine) | 22:08 |
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| kpel | hello | 23:24 |
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