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| SchAmane | hi, anybody knows whats channel is for gtk-webcore ? | 01:41 |
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| florian | SchAmane: I'm not sure if there is one, but we had some discussions about it in #gpe. Kompo is its master there... | 01:50 |
| SchAmane | florian, oh, thanks, i found #webkit channel | 01:51 |
| florian | ah good to know | 01:52 |
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| unique311 | n800 use alsa sound ?driver | 02:03 |
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| polpak | anyone here had any luck w/ gstreamer and playing videos? I cannot get it working | 02:21 |
| polpak | in my app | 02:21 |
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| po9 | hi. Is anyone having a problem convert videos in ubuntu feisty? | 02:28 |
| po9 | I have a problem with the audio, all I hear is this high pitched sound. Any advice would be helpful | 02:29 |
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| anthm | hi, Does anyone know if there is anything special required to make portaudio see the sound device on the n800? | 03:09 |
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| fdsd | hey guys, what is the new Gnome mobile interface announcement all about? | 05:51 |
| fdsd | will it work on my nokia 770/n800? | 05:51 |
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| zuh | fdsd: It is already on the tablets :) GMAE is for coordination of the effort that has been happening all over. | 09:44 |
| jku__ | fdsd, not interface, initiative. | 09:54 |
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| fdsd | jku__, zuh, what does that mean for us 770/n800 owners? | 10:02 |
| jku__ | Hopefully better software... but probably nothing that we can point to and say "this is GMAE stff" | 10:05 |
| jku__ | g/stff/stuff | 10:05 |
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| zuh | If you look at the GMAE platform chart, nothing shown there is missing from the tablets (few of those are not by default, but can be installed) | 10:11 |
| zuh | So it's not like this would be inventing something new | 10:11 |
| zuh | It's just coordination and a sort of endorsment that "yes, we do want GNOME tech on embedded devices" | 10:11 |
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| edinburger | morning guys anyone here use btscanner on an n800? | 12:54 |
| edinburger | hello | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:03 |
| edinburger | hi Jaffa | 13:03 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:21 |
| kkito | tomorroy i go to finland :P | 13:22 |
| glass | it's raining here :< | 13:22 |
| glass | (tampere, finland) | 13:22 |
| dpb_ | not in helsinki | 13:22 |
| dpb_ | cloudy though | 13:22 |
| kkito | :) | 13:23 |
| kkito | i expect that i can use the n800 anywhere in finland :) | 13:24 |
| kkito | are there good wifi coverage? | 13:25 |
| glass | not really outside of helsinki.. | 13:25 |
| glass | bars etc have it sometimes | 13:25 |
| kkito | well it is better than in spain for sure | 13:26 |
| glass | wlans tend to be closed | 13:27 |
| inz | If you have Hesburger bonus card, you get 10 minutes/day free in (some) hesburgers! ;) | 13:31 |
| kkito | well if there are enough traffic and if it is wep, then... :P | 13:31 |
| kkito | hesburgers? iit is something like a burger king? | 13:32 |
| glass | yeah.. | 13:32 |
| glass | but | 13:32 |
| kkito | but mad ein finland? | 13:32 |
| glass | their wifi pricing is idiotic | 13:32 |
| glass | yeh | 13:32 |
| kkito | :P | 13:32 |
| inz | kkito, they do have some restaurants in Estonia too, and one mandatory in Hamburg | 13:33 |
| kkito | i'll visit estonia too | 13:33 |
| kkito | i dont know if we will go to tampere, because we have some "personal problems" | 13:34 |
| glass | best places to look for sensible wifi are bars and such | 13:35 |
| inz | Someone is from turku? | 13:35 |
| Toni | we have heard rumours that people actually live there | 13:38 |
| inz | Toni, in turku? | 13:39 |
| kkito | glass, do you study on the tampere university? | 13:39 |
| glass | well, "study" | 13:39 |
| Toni | inz: yeah, but there's no scientific study about it ;) | 13:39 |
| glass | completed one course this year.. | 13:40 |
| inz | Toni, yeah, I concider it a myth... | 13:40 |
| kkito | glass, i know a boy that is actually doing an erasmus on that university | 13:40 |
| kkito | a "man" | 13:41 |
| kkito | :P | 13:41 |
| glass | i'm at tech university | 13:41 |
| kkito | he is 27 years old i think | 13:41 |
| glass | not at the 'normal' university that is downtown | 13:41 |
| inz | glass, how many cu was the course? | 13:41 |
| glass | 2 i think | 13:41 |
| glass | i've been mostly just working | 13:41 |
| inz | glass, a-ha, beat you by three cu!-) | 13:42 |
| glass | i suck at being motivated for studying random courses that have little or no impact on my future work (or are that intresting) | 13:42 |
| glass | arent | 13:42 |
| glass | i also like spending money :< | 13:43 |
| inz | I tend to lose my motivation if the courses are too easy, hard, slow paced or fast paced... ;) | 13:43 |
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| inz | glass, and I, too, prefer to get paid ;) | 13:48 |
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| zuh | I tended not to have motivation regardless of the content or pace of courses (thank god I'm graduated already) | 13:48 |
| glass | you had motivation if you graduated | 13:48 |
| glass | too bad one can't get study creds from forumo nokia tech days etc | 13:49 |
| glass | i can't type today :< | 13:49 |
| inz | glass, tomorrow will be a lecture on maemo (mobile linux) at TUT | 13:50 |
| glass | oh | 13:50 |
| glass | know where / when? dunno if i can make it though | 13:50 |
| glass | on the mobile programming course? | 13:50 |
| Veggen | zuh: I've decided that my next class of *any* type should have no work relevance whatsoever, and be done *just* because I want it. | 13:51 |
| inz | glass, Mobile programming, TB109/12-15 | 13:51 |
| Veggen | Without any pressure. | 13:51 |
| Veggen | zuh: Maybe another language. | 13:51 |
| glass | i got some friends on that course now | 13:51 |
| glass | poor souls beating their head on symbian | 13:52 |
| Veggen | ok. I can accept work related courses, but not linked to certifications. I've so far avoided that :) | 13:52 |
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| edinburger | hi guys anyone know how to set up btscanner or kismet on n800 | 13:57 |
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| inz | glass, I've failed the course already... :/ | 14:01 |
| inz | glass, mostly due to the fact that I hate symbian... | 14:01 |
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| inz | glass, you could've made second assignment on maemo, but the symbina s**t is still must. :( | 14:02 |
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| glass | inz: symbian shit doesn't go deep enough even of to be much use | 14:07 |
| glass | on that course | 14:07 |
| glass | you just get the starting pains | 14:07 |
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| inz | glass, I wish my name ended in an L, so I could just Leave... ;P | 14:21 |
| inz | (<humor type="bad/x-symbian">) | 14:22 |
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| glass | haha | 14:25 |
| glass | inz: if you'd dig deeper you'd find some of the built in functions that don't have L might leave just as well | 14:25 |
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| inz | glass, and I'm supposed to be surprised, because?-) | 14:27 |
| glass | because all the sdk's and such are of such high quality! | 14:28 |
| inz | Ahh... Of course ;) | 14:28 |
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| Pupnik | "I've been working very hard to kill XSP" heh heh. i just wish Xsp didn't try to be smart | 16:17 |
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| bhima | (in a car, so a wifi AP is probably going to be around) | 16:33 |
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| Pupnik | i get bad terminal control characters when ssh-ing into dropbear | 17:11 |
| Pupnik | using vi becomes an adventure - need to ctrl-l frequently to see what i'm doind | 17:11 |
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| dragorn | in general, or bad decoding of escape sequences | 17:18 |
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| dragorn | i've seen so much stupid of decoding arrow sequences and such I just use hjkl now | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | I always thought the busybox vi that comes with maemo was buggy | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | I have no problems with vim 7 | 17:19 |
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| spaetz | the supplied vi seems to be buggy, yea | 17:29 |
| spaetz | the screen often gets f*cked up when scrolling and stuff | 17:29 |
| anthm | hi, does anyone know where a strace binary would be for n800 before I go compile it? | 17:35 |
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| ticapix_ | hi. Is there a way to cross-compile C/C++ code for maemo under windows ? | 17:37 |
| anthm | ok nm apt-get install strace =D | 17:38 |
| anthm | ticapix_, downlaod free vmware and that vmware image of a linux box with all the stuff installed already? | 17:39 |
| ticapix_ | anthm: this is an option. It these a way to do it with cygwin ? | 17:40 |
| c0ffee | nah, it won't work with cygwin | 17:41 |
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| Pupnik | thanks for the feedback mgedmin i'll install vim | 17:57 |
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| ticapix_ | anthm: c0ffee , is it possible to use colinux to build maemo apps ? | 18:04 |
| dragorn | you'd be better off getting vmware | 18:04 |
| dragorn | which is now free | 18:04 |
| dragorn | (for the version that'll do what you need, anyhow) | 18:04 |
| dragorn | and then installing ubuntu | 18:04 |
| c0ffee | whatever colinux is | 18:04 |
| dragorn | c0ffee: It's a weird driver hack to wedge a kernel into ring0 in windows | 18:05 |
| dragorn | c0ffee: in theory it's running a "real linux" then, but I've never used it, and it's pretty funky | 18:05 |
| dragorn | it'd be quicker than vmware, probably, but my $0.02 is take the performance hit and run it in vmware, the stuff you're compiling isn't that large | 18:05 |
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| c0ffee | sounds very painful | 18:07 |
| dragorn | c0ffee: Think of it like a bastard xen | 18:07 |
| dragorn | c0ffee: Only way more hackish | 18:07 |
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| bergie | anyone else having problems with garage SVN? | 18:12 |
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| Pupnik | nobody's done a dsp/gstreamer ogg decoder yet? | 19:24 |
| derf | I thought there was a package for a Vorbis one, but I couldn't get it to work. | 19:26 |
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| Pupnik | mplayer ogg playback (libvorbis) taking 7-10% cpu on 770 with 2ch 22050Hz ogg files | 19:30 |
| Pupnik | 128kbit | 19:30 |
| Pupnik | mp3 playback with dsp very little :) | 19:30 |
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| Pupnik | ogg is so much nicer | 19:42 |
| cecil | pity it isn't support out the box | 19:44 |
| cecil | there is no excuse for it not to be either | 19:44 |
| cecil | hopfully Nokia will address this in future releases | 19:44 |
| derf | I think they are waiting for the open source community to do it for them. | 19:45 |
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| Pupnik | i used to have a NeXTstation that used a TI dsp | 19:47 |
| Pupnik | someone made a fractal viewer using it | 19:47 |
| bill20r3 | heh | 19:48 |
| bill20r3 | calculated fractals using the DSP? | 19:48 |
| Pupnik | yes | 19:48 |
| bill20r3 | neat. | 19:48 |
| bill20r3 | I had a mono slab, it was not fast. | 19:48 |
| Pupnik | i think mine was 24mhz | 19:49 |
| bill20r3 | same, I think the "turbo" one was 33mhz, and the others were 25mhz. | 19:49 |
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| Pupnik | yeah it had a lot of work to do. but that eps postscript was pretty fast given what it had to do | 19:54 |
| Pupnik | thing had fast dma etc. i used to do some screensavers in eps | 19:55 |
| MDK | hmm, anyone recalls what's the non-breaking PKG_CHECK_MODULES equiv? | 19:55 |
| MDK | tko to the rescue... | 19:55 |
| inz | non-breaking? | 19:56 |
| MDK | err, I mean a macro that does the check and conditionally does something (or not) | 19:56 |
| inz | Just give it more parameters ;) | 19:57 |
| MDK | "non-mandatory" | 19:57 |
| MDK | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GTK, gtk, do_something, do_something_else) ? | 19:57 |
| inz | yes | 19:57 |
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| MDK | thanks | 19:59 |
| inz | for example: PKG_CHECK_MODULES(HILDON, hildon-1, HILDON=1, [PKG_CHECK_MODULES(HILDON, hildon-libs)]) | 19:59 |
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| inz | (I think it should work ;) | 19:59 |
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| tko | common autoconf pattern.. FOO(check_something, action_if_success, action_if_failed) | 19:59 |
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| MDK | yeah, I'm actually building a more complex pattern | 20:04 |
| noahj | Hi, does anyone have bluetooth working on hacker edition? | 20:04 |
| MDK | where package can be build with several --with options depending on various libs | 20:04 |
| MDK | and the --with options override auto-detected settings | 20:05 |
| MDK | apparently, I even managed to get it working | 20:05 |
| noahj | (bluetooth devices, specifically; I'ven't really tried anything besides attempting to install the OS 2006 applet, it pretended to work fine and then didn't.) | 20:06 |
| noahj | (of course.) | 20:06 |
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| MDK | here is the snippet if someone is interested: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17641/ | 20:10 |
| MDK | in this case the package will be build with conditional cairo support if available | 20:10 |
| MDK | still you can override it with --with-cairo=no to disable it | 20:11 |
| MDK | but if you specify --with-cairo=yes, and it's not available, it'll nicely break | 20:11 |
| MDK | it can be simiplified prolly | 20:11 |
| MDK | but I guess having two autotools wizards in one office might turn out violently | 20:11 |
| MDK | so I'll leave the plasure of being the one to tko ;) | 20:12 |
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| anthm | are any of the pcmX devices free at normal runtime | 20:13 |
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| tko | MDK: :) | 20:38 |
| tko | MDK: AC_ARG_WITH(foo) implicitly defines $with_foo so you wouldn't need to check withval yourself | 20:39 |
| tko | MDK: gtk has lots of optional things if you want to copy something :) | 20:41 |
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| MDK | I usually copy from gstreamer | 20:47 |
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| tko | heh.. I'd like to have someone who really knows auto-fu appoint one project for good source to copy stuff | 20:48 |
| Pupnik | 770 survives drop onto concrete. film at 11 | 20:49 |
| tko | or maybe even document how the thing is supposed to be used | 20:49 |
| tko | I had to drop my nokia phone to floor several times before it cracked even a bit :) | 20:50 |
| derf | I keep telling myself, "It has no moving parts." | 20:50 |
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| Pupnik | heh, don't have tac? sed -n -e '1! G $ p h' filename will reverse a text file | 20:51 |
| MDK | a standard element of nokia hardware tests these days is running the hw over with a hummer | 20:52 |
| MDK | than it has to survive 2h mud fighting | 20:52 |
| tko | Pupnik: been reading sed oneliners lately? | 20:52 |
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| MDK | than a special elephant named "nokii" throws it to the air with his trumpet | 20:52 |
| MDK | this is where the quality comes from | 20:52 |
| bill20r3 | that's where the magic happens. | 20:53 |
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| tko | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6589301.stm#chinese -- uhh... | 20:54 |
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| Pupnik | reading syslog.movial.fi blog - looks like he got xrandr and rotated mode running | 20:56 |
| Pupnik | http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/7-xrandr-on-nokia-770.html | 20:56 |
| inz | Pup, yeah, that's from IT2005 days... | 20:57 |
| bill20r3 | I accidentally left my N800 on overnight, and it still had 2 bars of battery this morning. | 20:57 |
| inz | Is that good or bad? | 20:58 |
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| tko | it is | 20:59 |
| Pupnik | The XSP support in the Xomap server is broken, which causes the server falsely to report that the DSP area has been overrun. This causes unwanted pauses to the video playback. So, we need to patch and recompile the X-server. The required changes are provided as patch [WWW] #531. After recompilation, copy the new server binary over the old one. | 20:59 |
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| bill20r3 | it's good. | 21:03 |
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| Pupnik | ur-quan masters really needs 15 fps to be playable in combat | 21:07 |
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| Pupnik | apparently gprof gives inaccurate results, i need to compile an oprofile kernel | 21:19 |
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| Pupnik | or does anyone have one made for it2006? | 21:19 |
| MikeJ_ | anyone around know how to use sound device via alsa or oss on the n800? | 21:19 |
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| inz | MikeJ, I guess you should use gstreamer or esd | 21:24 |
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| MikeJ_ | we have a bunch of stuff already written that uses alsa or oss... was hoping there was a way to do it without having to write a bunch of code.. | 21:28 |
| MikeJ_ | I had indications that you could use alsa to talk to esd | 21:29 |
| MikeJ_ | but no clear info | 21:29 |
| Robot101 | MikeJ_: was talking with anthm about this in msg, my guess is that portaudio is using alsa in such a way that it won't end up using the alsa<->dsp plugin | 21:33 |
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| MikeJ_ | hmm.. how can we tell? | 21:35 |
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| * Pupnik has only partial success with a low-cpu usage timidity | 21:40 | |
| Robot101 | MikeJ_: well, gst-launch foo ! alsasink works as expected | 21:41 |
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| Robot101 | MikeJ_: as in, it loads and uses the pcm.default plugin, so talks to the dsp | 21:41 |
| MikeJ_ | yeah.. aplay is working.. | 21:41 |
| Pupnik | Robot101: does gst-launch foo.mp3 use the dspsink? | 21:41 |
| MikeJ_ | looks like portaudio need mmap support... or it won't work | 21:41 |
| MikeJ_ | on alsa... | 21:41 |
| Robot101 | Pupnik: you need to specify the pipeline for gst-launch | 21:42 |
| MikeJ_ | playing with combinations now to see if we can get any to work. | 21:42 |
| Pupnik | i see no gst-launch in my path - is there a package for it/ | 21:42 |
| Robot101 | Pupnik: so gst-launch filesrc location="foo" ! dspmp3sink will play MP3 out through the DSP | 21:42 |
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| MikeJ_ | does alsa on the n800 support n800 emulation? | 21:43 |
| MikeJ_ | err | 21:43 |
| Robot101 | lol | 21:43 |
| MikeJ_ | oss emulation | 21:43 |
| Pupnik | thanks Robot101 i am searching web for gst-launch but not found it yet | 21:43 |
| Robot101 | Pupnik: look for a gstreamer0.10-tools package | 21:43 |
| Robot101 | MikeJ_: it won't, no. because the alsa API is implemented userland with the dsp plugin | 21:43 |
| MikeJ_ | k | 21:43 |
| Pupnik | ty | 21:44 |
| Robot101 | MikeJ_: and you need to be in kernel land to do a good impression of OSS. the LD_PRELOAD wrappers never support mmap. | 21:44 |
| MikeJ_ | is the user space alsa code oss? | 21:44 |
| Robot101 | hm? no. it's an implementation of the alsa device API in a plugin that libasound uses. | 21:45 |
| Robot101 | but it's a device that won't support mmap | 21:45 |
| MikeJ_ | I really don't want to have to write somthing custom to talk to the dsps// | 21:45 |
| anthm | there is an mmap_emulation option i saw | 21:45 |
| Robot101 | if it's just mmap, making a codepath in portaudio's alsa backend to work without mmap will do it | 21:46 |
| * Tak|work has had the best luck with esd | 21:46 | |
| MikeJ_ | Tak|work, was that an offer to write an esd implementation for portaudio ? | 21:46 |
| Tak|work | hah | 21:46 |
| MikeJ_ | :) | 21:46 |
| Robot101 | but you should try and work out if that's exactly why portaudio's not liking the alsa plugin | 21:47 |
| Robot101 | esound is a crapfest, and gives you no way to read in audio, I'd avoid it if possible | 21:47 |
| anthm | it starts by ignoring any with no mmap | 21:49 |
| anthm | i can get past that with the mmap_emulation true thing | 21:49 |
| anthm | in the alsa.conf | 21:49 |
| anthm | but then it fails to open it | 21:49 |
| anthm | i'm gonna try to see how aplay can do it but pa cant | 21:50 |
| Pupnik | anybody know a way to get multiple streams of mp3 decoded by gstreamer? | 21:56 |
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| Robot101 | Pupnik: it will be hard on the device, there's only a hardware MP3 decoder, not a software one | 22:03 |
| Pupnik | ok music will be mp3 and speech will be ogg+libvorbisidec -> sdl mixer | 22:05 |
| Pupnik | that is working fairly well right now | 22:06 |
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| Robot101 | if you play one thing via esound you can use gstreamer to play MP3 via the DSP | 22:06 |
| Pupnik | yep | 22:08 |
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| keesj | hmm This is the Postfix program at host maemo.org. | 22:21 |
| keesj | I don't like the sound of this :p | 22:21 |
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