| konttori_ | roope: Any ideas on the scratching of the n800 screen? I just removed the protection screen from it a few days ago | 00:00 |
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| konttori_ | Should I buy a new one or live in fear of it getting scratched? | 00:01 |
| konttori_ | 770 didn't get any scratches even though I never used a cover | 00:01 |
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| roope | the n800 screen is similar, it's not scratching. | 00:07 |
| roope | so no worries there. | 00:08 |
| Pio | if i hold my 770 at the right angle, i can see marks on the bottom corresponding to the keys on the on-screen keyboard | 00:10 |
| Pio | and they dont seem to wash off.. but they are very faint.. you have to have ideal conditions to see them | 00:10 |
| Pio | or non-ideal as the case may be heh | 00:11 |
| Pio | anti-ideal | 00:11 |
| roope | compare to the ipod which scratches if you sneeze at it. | 00:11 |
| wazquis | anyone had problems with calibrating the n800? I can't hit the second point..it keeps saying i should tap closer to target 2... | 00:11 |
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| konttori_ | Pio: Have you removed the protection screen from your n800? | 00:15 |
| konttori_ | Because that scratches so easily that I have no idea why it ever existed | 00:15 |
| impl | The piece of plastic? | 00:20 |
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| konttori_ | yeah | 00:23 |
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| roope | I guess people would complain if it would be missing. :) | 00:24 |
| Tak|work | as long as the actual screen doesn't get scratched *through* it, it's doing its job | 00:25 |
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| impl | Usually those plastic protectors are the first things I remove when I get stuff | 00:28 |
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| Pupnik | i still think this is an awesome game for the 770 http://www.pupnik.de/xu4770.html | 01:04 |
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| roope | I guess you need the BT keyboard for it, right? | 01:12 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 01:12 |
| roope | I've finished Ultima IV a long long time ago. :) | 01:12 |
| Tak|work | is that the same one that's on nes? | 01:13 |
| roope | NES ultima is a simplified version, afaik. | 01:13 |
| Tak|work | oh, I'm sure | 01:13 |
| Pupnik | Essentially yes. I played through it on the Apple ][ back in... 84? | 01:13 |
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| Pupnik | Looking into the music now.. might be easiest to play it back with libmikmod instead of going with timidity | 01:17 |
| glass | i haven't keeping up to date.. is there exult(ultima7 engine) port to maemo? | 01:21 |
| Pupnik | not that i've seen, the deb package wants "flex" so i didn't look at it much yet | 01:23 |
| Pupnik | will also need a bit of UI work | 01:24 |
| glass | probably.. there was port to zaurus few years ago | 01:24 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik | 03:15 |
| Pupnik | evening unique311 | 03:15 |
| unique311 | i played with the preference in mtpaint... | 03:15 |
| unique311 | lots of goodies.. | 03:15 |
| unique311 | everything pretty much work... | 03:15 |
| unique311 | nicely | 03:16 |
| unique311 | going to dedicate myself to learning how to hildon freaking apps.. | 03:16 |
| Pupnik | cool, any crashes? | 03:16 |
| unique311 | might take my lifetime... | 03:16 |
| unique311 | no crashes | 03:16 |
| unique311 | only issue | 03:16 |
| unique311 | is when you use the tool ne\before the zoom | 03:16 |
| Pupnik | try making a new rgb bitmap 1024x768 or larger and draw in that for a while | 03:16 |
| Pupnik | tool ne? | 03:17 |
| unique311 | not sure what it is..but i learn pressing a this button release it on the train | 03:17 |
| unique311 | so its not an issue | 03:17 |
| unique311 | hold on | 03:17 |
| unique311 | pan window | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | ah | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | here's my log of stuff for mtpaint | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | http://www.pupnik.de/mtpaintnotes.txt | 03:18 |
| unique311 | whats the button in the middle of the up down left right called | 03:18 |
| unique311 | ? | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | dpad select i think | 03:19 |
| unique311 | yeah that releases it | 03:19 |
| Pupnik | ah | 03:19 |
| Pupnik | also notice that some of the f-keys hide/show the toolbars | 03:19 |
| unique311 | yes | 03:19 |
| unique311 | i learned that on the way home | 03:19 |
| unique311 | which is cool | 03:20 |
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| Pupnik | can you make fullscreen work first? | 03:20 |
| unique311 | did you read the files in the directory | 03:20 |
| unique311 | should be an easy hildon process? | 03:20 |
| Pupnik | i didn't read much | 03:20 |
| unique311 | well give me the link to the lines | 03:20 |
| unique311 | and i'll find the file i need to modify | 03:20 |
| unique311 | and compile..and see if it runs.. | 03:20 |
| Pupnik | nah i'm working on xu4 right now | 03:21 |
| Pupnik | getting midi music working | 03:21 |
| unique311 | the link you gave me yesterday for the fullscreen | 03:21 |
| unique311 | k | 03:21 |
| unique311 | i'll find it | 03:21 |
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| unique311 | /etc/init.d/alarmd: line 1: whoami: command not found | 03:32 |
| unique311 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > which whoami | 03:32 |
| unique311 | getting these command not found errors... | 03:32 |
| unique311 | /etc/init.d/alarmd: line 1: whoami: command not found | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | which whoami | 03:33 |
| unique311 | i did | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | /usr/bin/whoami | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | on mistral / it2006 | 03:33 |
| unique311 | /scratchbox/tools/bin/whoami | 03:33 |
| unique311 | do i add /scratchbox/tools/bin to path | 03:34 |
| unique311 | i did | 03:34 |
| unique311 | and still not being picked up | 03:34 |
| unique311 | ran fakeroot first | 03:34 |
| unique311 | command not found | 03:34 |
| Pupnik | yeah in scratchbox it's there also | 03:35 |
| Pupnik | on my system | 03:35 |
| unique311 | i added it to bash_profile | 03:35 |
| Pupnik | what is invoking alarmd? | 03:35 |
| Pupnik | i don't have that in my scratchbox | 03:36 |
| unique311 | well i did a dist-upgrade...and it won't complete because of the command not found errors.. | 03:36 |
| Pupnik | ah | 03:37 |
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| Pupnik | any audio equalizer possible in maemo | 05:39 |
| Pupnik | or does someone have compiled a beep-media-player, bmpx, audacious? | 05:39 |
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| wasabi | Anybody aware of any later Mono versions for bora? | 06:33 |
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| Pupnik | what's mono good for? | 06:38 |
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| Pupnik | trying to run Beep-Media-Player and getting | 06:48 |
| Pupnik | open("/home/user/.Xdefaults-Nokia770-49", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 06:48 |
| Pupnik | but that doesn't seem to be killing it | 06:49 |
| wasabi | mono is a .net clr | 06:50 |
| wasabi | so, it's good for running .net apps | 06:50 |
| Pupnik | i don't like microsoft | 06:51 |
| Pupnik | are there .net apps that you want to run? | 06:51 |
| fuelfive | I'd like to modify the bootloader to show a custom image (instead of the default NOKIA one). I realize that this is crazy, but if I were crazy, how would I go about doing it? | 06:51 |
| wasabi | Yes. I write them. | 06:52 |
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| Pupnik | wasabi: what's an example of something useful on a tablet written in .net? | 06:52 |
| Pupnik | fuelfive: dunno - check the initfs | 06:52 |
| Pupnik | looks like you're trapped into the 'being compatible with microsoft's latest non-standard' treadmill wasabi | 06:54 |
| wasabi | What are you talking about? | 06:59 |
| wasabi | Guess you must read ./ a lot. :) | 07:00 |
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| Pupnik | actually no. and i don't know anything about mono except the nature of the company that made it | 07:03 |
| Pupnik | that made .net | 07:04 |
| Pupnik | so... not really a productive conversation | 07:04 |
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| Pupnik | anybody know a media player with equaliser? or a plugin for esd on nokia that can do equalization? | 07:07 |
| wasabi | I'm pretty sure that maemo doesn't run esd | 07:09 |
| Pupnik | i know i just compiled and ran timidity MIDI player with esd | 07:11 |
| Pupnik | /usr/lib/libesd.so.0.2.35 | 07:11 |
| wasabi | libesd, but esd itself? | 07:15 |
| Pupnik | yeah it's emulation | 07:15 |
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| Pupnik | but i figured it'd be a likely candidate api for a third-party eq filter | 07:16 |
| Pupnik | if i knew more about maemo internals i probably wouldn't be throwing out such questions | 07:17 |
| wasabi | I *think*, but might be wrong here, that the sound goes through gstreamer. | 07:18 |
| wasabi | To a hardware dsp. | 07:18 |
| wasabi | And I'm unsure if that gsp has also or oss. | 07:18 |
| wasabi | dsp | 07:18 |
| wasabi | I doubt anything uses libesd. | 07:18 |
| wasabi | I'm suprised it's there. | 07:18 |
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| Pupnik | maybe somebody's working on it for gstreamer | 07:21 |
| Pupnik | persnally i think it's a bit of a waste since the fidelity of the sound on the 770 isn't as good as my cheapo mp3 player | 07:22 |
| Pupnik | but i've seen a lot of calls for eq | 07:22 |
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| unique311 | hello | 07:42 |
| unique311 | anbody up | 07:42 |
| Pupnik_zZz | just going to sleep | 07:42 |
| unique311 | still working on this fullscreen | 07:42 |
| unique311 | i'm hurting | 07:43 |
| Pupnik_zZz | heh | 07:43 |
| unique311 | im about to call it qits | 07:43 |
| unique311 | quits* | 07:43 |
| Pupnik_zZz | good things take time | 07:43 |
| unique311 | 2 files main.c and windowmain.h | 07:43 |
| unique311 | F that | 07:43 |
| unique311 | googling my ass off.. | 07:43 |
| unique311 | and no help | 07:44 |
| derf | For what, exactly? | 07:44 |
| unique311 | where's all the devs | 07:44 |
| Pupnik_zZz | take notes | 07:44 |
| unique311 | mtpaint | 07:44 |
| unique311 | i just want to see if i can make it fullscreen | 07:44 |
| unique311 | which i doubt takes muh | 07:44 |
| unique311 | much | 07:44 |
| derf | I mean, what's so hard about that? | 07:44 |
| unique311 | i think the file i need to mod is windowmain.c | 07:45 |
| unique311 | i know.. | 07:45 |
| unique311 | #include <hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h> | 07:46 |
| unique311 | #include "graphics/icon.xpm" | 07:46 |
| unique311 | GtkWidget* hildon_appview_new | 07:46 |
| unique311 | i have this so far.. | 07:46 |
| derf | I thought you weren't supposed to use hildon_appview anymore. | 07:46 |
| derf | It's been deprecated. | 07:46 |
| derf | Just use gtk_window_fullscreen() and gtk_window_unfullscreen() | 07:47 |
| unique311 | thats it.. | 07:47 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 07:47 |
| derf | Does the program use GtkUIManager? | 07:48 |
| Pupnik_zZz | i don't think so | 07:50 |
| derf | Well, then it won't help you to paste my code. | 07:50 |
| Pupnik_zZz | unique311: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkUIManager.html | 07:52 |
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| unique311 | mtpaint does use gtkuimanager | 07:53 |
| Pupnik_zZz | derf, are you aware of (potential) equalisers for gstreamer+maemo? | 07:54 |
| derf | Pupnik_zZz: No. | 07:54 |
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| derf | Well, pastebin doesn't seem to want to actually work. | 07:54 |
| derf | Found one that does. | 07:57 |
| derf | http://pastebin.ca/447594 | 07:57 |
| Pupnik_zZz | well derf, mtpaint looks really nice for a sketch program - the executeable is only 602kB | 07:58 |
| derf | Rename gjiten_add_fullscreen_action to whatever you want. | 07:58 |
| unique311 | k | 07:58 |
| derf | And call that function with the window you want to fullscreen, and the GtkUIManager that manages its menu bar. | 07:58 |
| derf | And it should add a fullscreen item to it that's connected to the fullscreen key. | 07:59 |
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| Pupnik_zZz | i remember Dmitry talking about having xml for some ui elements | 08:01 |
| Pupnik_zZz | but i didn't see it in the source i have here | 08:02 |
| derf | I mean, I think it's overkill, but I didn't write the parser, and hey, it works. | 08:02 |
| Pupnik_zZz | derf, what do you think about using a dpad-select plus screen tap to simulate a right-click? | 08:03 |
| Pupnik_zZz | or some other button | 08:04 |
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| derf | Pupnik_zZz: I think that's fine. I hate having to hold the damn thing down to simulate one in other programs. It takes forver. | 08:05 |
| derf | And the timeout doesn't appear to be configurable. | 08:06 |
| Pupnik_zZz | it should be done in the application then? not some hack like 'emulate3buttons' in kdrive? | 08:07 |
| Pupnik_zZz | it's so ubiquitous in desktop environments... | 08:08 |
| Pupnik_zZz | maybe someone reading this at nokia will consider it for the next maemo | 08:09 |
| Pupnik_zZz | or device actually, since there aren't really free dedicated buttons | 08:09 |
| Pupnik_zZz | zZzzzz | 08:10 |
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| wasabi | Looking for a way to test network connectivity from the nokia device... | 09:04 |
| wasabi | to another server. basically would liek netcat. | 09:04 |
| tigert | you can very likely just rebuild the debian package | 09:12 |
| Veggen | netcat is a non-gui program, and surely should be easy to compile? | 09:12 |
| tigert | or i dunno if it can be found yet from debian armel project | 09:13 |
| tigert | it surely is easy to build in scratchbox. i could do it but i am in a meeting right now with just the N800 | 09:14 |
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| keesj | cool maemo-otg | 10:53 |
| keesj | hmm usb-otg :P | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | keesj: ? | 10:56 |
| keesj | there was a post about usb-host mode , and possible even "on the go" use host mode | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | Ah, haven't checked my mail yet | 10:56 |
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| zuh | Too bad it still needs a bit of HW-hackery | 10:57 |
| zuh | But at least the power injection doesn't seem to be neccessary anymore | 10:58 |
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| keesj | here I have a powered usb, while not on the nokia I can perform usb host mode | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ sounds very cool | 11:00 |
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| keesj | 800 | 11:02 |
| keesj | can only provide 100mA of power, | 11:02 |
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| keesj | so at least there is some power out , is 100Ma enough for a keyboard? | 11:02 |
| keesj | ma | 11:02 |
| sxpert | keesj, and your battery will last about 10mn :D | 11:02 |
| keesj | I have POWER | 11:02 |
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| keesj | Hi koen | 11:03 |
| koen | hey keesj | 11:03 |
| * koen goes zzzz now (1 AM over here in CA) | 11:03 | |
| keesj | :p | 11:04 |
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| keesj | I still have troubles setting up a good sbox :( | 11:04 |
| zuh | keesj: The page states that it will not be enough for peripherials, only to "drive" the host mode | 11:05 |
| zuh | Any particular issues with sbox? | 11:05 |
| keesj | zuh: no just incompetent user:) | 11:05 |
| * zuh knows a handful of usual difficulties and fixes for them | 11:05 | |
| keesj | the installation scripts for sbox and the maemo-sdk are just not that good | 11:06 |
| zuh | ah, those | 11:06 |
| zuh | I never really used them | 11:06 |
| keesj | perhaps I must do the same. you also used gentoo right? | 11:07 |
| zuh | I got my sbox from tarballs, and created the neccessary setup & targets by hand | 11:07 |
| zuh | Yes | 11:07 |
| keesj | I want a fully automated scripts to produce a clean system every time | 11:07 |
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| keesj | the problem is that I must have done something wrong :p | 11:08 |
| keesj | dh_make for example is not the right one | 11:08 |
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| keesj | ' | 11:19 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 11:42 |
| maddler | Jaffa: the upgrade worked pretty fine... | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | maddler: cool | 11:51 |
| maddler | Jaffa: yup... despite some minor glitches... like not being able to access VTs :) | 11:52 |
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| Jaffa | http://apcmag.com/5896/gallery_intels_new_mobile_internet_device_with_red_flag_linux has some better - more polished - screenshots of the Red Flag MID UI | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | roope should be pleased they've improved so much :) | 12:23 |
| maddler | let's have a look... | 12:24 |
| maddler | doh... Thunderbird 2.0 released... | 12:24 |
| maddler | Jaffa: the mail screenshot looks a lot like Sylpheed... ;) | 12:25 |
| maddler | and Red Flag Calendar _is_ Dates... | 12:26 |
| maddler | beside that... it UI looks a lot lie iPhone | 12:26 |
| maddler | and another question... is this Red Flag Linux linked to the Red Flag distro? | 12:27 |
| maddler | I mean... there was a Linux distro sponsored by China's government, some time ago... | 12:27 |
| maddler | btw... sounds interesting... | 12:28 |
| maddler | beside the size... | 12:28 |
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| roope | let's see | 12:48 |
| roope | they're using the promise of open source all right, take the best apps. | 12:50 |
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| roope | i like some of the parts, all right. | 12:55 |
| Jaffa | More developers hacking on Hildon, and Hildon apps, will be cool. | 12:57 |
| maddler | true... true... | 12:58 |
| maddler | bright times to come... :D | 12:58 |
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| init | morning | 13:01 |
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| init | someone got a hint how i can remote my winamp with my nokia770 (2006) | 13:02 |
| init | just can remote over VNC with is not the best | 13:02 |
| init | friend got some software on his damn mobilephone who connects over bluetooth to winamp and he can remote it full.. (start stopp play show artits tracks.. everything) | 13:02 |
| init | its there also such software for the nokia770? | 13:03 |
| zeenix | init: it would have been very easy if winamp provided some UPnP devices for that | 13:03 |
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| init | zeenix | 13:10 |
| init | but winamp didnt? | 13:10 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:22 |
| maddler | hello | 13:29 |
| `0660 | hello | 13:36 |
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| keesj | He kkito, how is the qt stuff going? | 14:22 |
| kkito | keesj, is going ok, i must to write the tap.and.hold animation, and parse more vkbd keycodes to X keycodes | 14:23 |
| keesj | did you try koffice or krita? | 14:24 |
| keesj | krita is really getting great | 14:28 |
| kkito | keesj, i didnt build koffice :/. when i finish to hack the qt i'll try. | 14:31 |
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| init | found a nice winamp remote thing | 14:33 |
| init | http://www.flippet.org/ => WinAmp WebInterface | 14:33 |
| init | this thing is great | 14:33 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 15:21 |
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| init | hi there b0unc3 | 15:37 |
| init | how im using btscanner on my nokia770? | 15:38 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: hey dude! | 15:46 |
| init | hmm noone can helpme? | 15:50 |
| init | how im using btscanner on my nokia770? | 15:50 |
| inz | inti, your questions tend to be a bit too abstract | 15:55 |
| inz | init, your quiestion doesn't reveal your problem and thus it cannot be answered | 15:56 |
| init | sorry init | 15:58 |
| init | ahm | 15:58 |
| init | sorry inz | 15:58 |
| init | soo | 15:58 |
| init | i downloadeded btscanner on my 770 | 15:58 |
| init | but don't know how to use | 15:58 |
| init | and i nowhere can find a howto or something | 15:58 |
| init | when i start btscanner then comes | 15:59 |
| init | opening OUI database.. reading OUI data.. finished reading OUI data.. | 15:59 |
| init | end | 15:59 |
| init | btsearch is not really more | 16:01 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: it was you who asked me about an used 770 to buy? | 16:11 |
| inz | init, are you running it as user or root? | 16:11 |
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| inz | hmm, it actually works for me with either... | 16:12 |
| init | yes | 16:13 |
| init | inz as root | 16:13 |
| inz | I really don't know, I just apt-get installed it and it works | 16:14 |
| inz | From both, xterm and via ssh | 16:14 |
| init | hm | 16:15 |
| init | and what u run? | 16:15 |
| init | btsearch or btscanner | 16:15 |
| inz | btscanner | 16:15 |
| ||cw | init: do you have bt devices nearby that are set to be discoverable? | 16:16 |
| init | moment pleasse | 16:16 |
| init | got my mobile nearby | 16:17 |
| init | bluetooth is activated | 16:17 |
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| init | but btscanner gives no reply | 16:18 |
| inz | I get a window from which I can start search by pressing 'i' | 16:19 |
| init | crazy | 16:19 |
| init | open xterm | 16:20 |
| init | sudo gainroot | 16:20 |
| init | btscanner | 16:20 |
| init | => Openening the OUI database | 16:20 |
| init | => Reading the OUI database | 16:20 |
| init | => Finished reading the OUI database | 16:20 |
| init | n'then u get back the console | 16:20 |
| inz | weird | 16:20 |
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| init | damn =( | 16:22 |
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| Guardian | hello maemo | 16:22 |
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| init | hello Guardian | 16:23 |
| init | got a hint inz' | 16:23 |
| inz | no idea | 16:24 |
| init | ohm.. | 16:27 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: ave :) | 16:27 |
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| sylvanthis | hey, yesterday someone said that if i'd wanted to become root, i'd have to install ssh, but ssh root@localhost asks for a password | 16:29 |
| sylvanthis | what can i do? | 16:29 |
| Veggen | it's "rootme". | 16:29 |
| sylvanthis | rootme@localhost, or just rootme? | 16:29 |
| Veggen | the password is rootme. | 16:29 |
| sylvanthis | ahh | 16:30 |
| sylvanthis | ok thanks :) | 16:30 |
| Veggen | Now, the first thing you do when you get root access, is to change it ;) | 16:30 |
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| Veggen | Now that you've made it available from remote. | 16:30 |
| sylvanthis | :D yay | 16:30 |
| Guardian | gosh, everytime i drop maemo dev for a while, i'm facing big surprises at each release. tried to get back on my hildon input method plugin but the binary packages needed to run the example given on the wiki have simply been removed :( | 16:30 |
| sylvanthis | ye :) | 16:30 |
| Guardian | , see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/7009/focus=7078 | 16:30 |
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| kender | hello | 16:33 |
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| init | hm when i try to install gpe, the msg popups i need some "programms" | 16:37 |
| init | where i can find all them | 16:37 |
| Pupnik_z1z | will have to look into krita. i see in maemo-developers that pressure information is available with XInputExtension - could this be useful for sketching (like mtpaint)? | 16:38 |
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| fcassia | howdy | 16:56 |
| fcassia | morning/nite/whatever :) | 16:57 |
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| Pupnik | morning. I'm seeing a fair number of requests for a media player with an equalizer. | 16:59 |
| MarLaw | Hello! | 16:59 |
| MarLaw | I tried some software on the n800, such as dsniff and tcpdump enabling before the monitor mode for the wireless driver, is it known to be working or not ? | 17:00 |
| fcassia | pupnik: you might be surprised to know that the folks at nullsoft once had an alpha level winamp for linux | 17:03 |
| MarLaw | yeah I remember that too | 17:04 |
| fcassia | pupnik: I tried to convince them to release it (in fact I have the 32-bit x86 X binary on my HD) but they wouldn't listen. It was at the time of the Winamp 3 fiasco and then a lot of developers left | 17:04 |
| fcassia | and/or were fired | 17:04 |
| fcassia | winamp on my N800... snif | 17:05 |
| MarLaw | well | 17:05 |
| fcassia | now that would rule. :) | 17:05 |
| MarLaw | I would prefer xmms than | 17:05 |
| fcassia | but I'd just settle for Audacious (xmms with GTK2) | 17:05 |
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| MarLaw | wouldn't that be a possible (like easy) porto to Uildon/GTK ? | 17:06 |
| fcassia | probably | 17:06 |
| fcassia | actually I'm here to try to find out how to get a build environment installed on my linux PC :) | 17:07 |
| MarLaw | I've done that | 17:07 |
| MarLaw | is pretty easy | 17:07 |
| MarLaw | they wrote the instructions very well | 17:07 |
| MarLaw | or let's say, they did a good installer script | 17:08 |
| MarLaw | are you on debian or a debian derivate such as ubuntu ? | 17:08 |
| fcassia | Are you saying that this http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh does everything? | 17:09 |
| MarLaw | almost | 17:09 |
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| fcassia | or will I have to start chasing lib dependencies after the fact? :) | 17:09 |
| fcassia | let's try it... | 17:09 |
| Pupnik | audacious and bmpx have rather bloated dependencies | 17:09 |
| fcassia | :) | 17:09 |
| fcassia | pupnik: probably :( | 17:10 |
| Pupnik | xmms doesn't compile. i modified an older beep-media-player (which is based on xmms) to compile | 17:10 |
| fcassia | just try openoffice ;-)) *joke( | 17:10 |
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| MarLaw | but i don't get something, C++ is supported as C ? | 17:10 |
| Pupnik | but it gets sigterm'd on startup, some problem with Xdefaults possibly | 17:10 |
| MarLaw | because as I'm not an expert of C (but i'm ok with c++) and I was gonna give a try to python because of that | 17:11 |
| Pupnik | c++ works | 17:11 |
| MarLaw | but without template library ? | 17:12 |
| Pupnik | bummer fcassia | 17:12 |
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| Pupnik | MarLaw: it's basically like an older debian distro | 17:14 |
| MarLaw | debian for sure is the one I know better but I'm not an expert .. I just want to develop something for it | 17:15 |
| MarLaw | for it I mean n800 | 17:15 |
| MarLaw | I've seen today there is something going on for the usb host , really cool | 17:16 |
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| Pupnik | good to hear, i'm not aware of anything missing for c++ development, but i can't make a statement that nothing you might want is missing | 17:17 |
| MarLaw | sure | 17:17 |
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| MarLaw | you writing or porting something for the maemo ? | 17:18 |
| bill20r3 | anyone know how to generate F-keys on a BT keyboard without them? | 17:18 |
| Pupnik | so far i've just ported/crosscompiled a bunch of apps without much attention to integrating into maemo | 17:19 |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: the buttons generate f-keys | 17:19 |
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| dieguito | anyone has got video calls to work? | 17:25 |
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| dieguito | between n800 and a pc | 17:25 |
| MarLaw | you need a pc with windows with a camera otherwise won't work | 17:25 |
| MarLaw | I don't get of which use that can be | 17:25 |
| MarLaw | you even need to send them invitation and is quite rubbish | 17:25 |
| MarLaw | let's wait for something better | 17:26 |
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| dieguito | well i tried with a camera enabled pc | 17:27 |
| dieguito | nothing happened | 17:27 |
| dieguito | maybe it was "in use"? | 17:28 |
| dieguito | i'll try again | 17:28 |
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| bill20r3 | pupnik, you mean the zoom/fullscreen/dpad/etc hardware buttons on the N800 itself? | 17:28 |
| MarLaw | bill20r3: yeah | 17:28 |
| MarLaw | bill20r3: do you need them because you are trying it on osx ? | 17:29 |
| IRCFrEAK | hi I'm afraid I have a newbie question. I have an N800, and want to update the firmware on it. Can I do it from a MacBook(x86)? | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | yeah IRCFrEAK | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | I've done that | 17:29 |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: y | 17:29 |
| IRCFrEAK | what flasher should I use? | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | there is a flasher | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | for the n770 | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | that works flowlessy | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | on the n800 too | 17:29 |
| IRCFrEAK | oh the Gui based one? | 17:29 |
| bill20r3 | marlaw, no, dosbox uses Fkeys for some of it's controls (speed adjustment, etc) | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | you can find it on google | 17:29 |
| MarLaw | yeah that one, didn't work with you > | 17:30 |
| MarLaw | ? | 17:30 |
| IRCFrEAK | I didn't see N800 mentioned, and got scared :) | 17:30 |
| IRCFrEAK | I'll give it a try | 17:30 |
| IRCFrEAK | is there much risk in updating firmware on this device? | 17:30 |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: you'll have to edit the dosbox config file to adjust those, sorry | 17:30 |
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| Pupnik | bill20r3: i basically found i had to tweak settings for each game | 17:31 |
| bill20r3 | no worries. | 17:33 |
| bill20r3 | I wonder if it'd run win3.1 | 17:33 |
| MarLaw | anybody experimenting with the wireless ? I got kismet and tcpdump kind of working but not perfectly and dsniff works only locally (and without monitor mode) | 17:34 |
| bill20r3 | kismet works fine for me. | 17:34 |
| MarLaw | for more than 10 seconds ? | 17:34 |
| bill20r3 | yeah. | 17:35 |
| bill20r3 | runs fine, I haven't noticed any issues. | 17:35 |
| MarLaw | with me after a while the server (kismet is a client server app) goes down | 17:35 |
| bill20r3 | wierd. | 17:35 |
| MarLaw | plus i don't see why if it works with kismet (because it does for at least a little) shouldn't work as well with urlsnarf and company | 17:36 |
| MarLaw | maybe | 17:36 |
| MarLaw | can I get the rep you used ? or you compiled by yourself ? | 17:36 |
| bill20r3 | I'm not familiar with urlsnarf | 17:36 |
| bill20r3 | let me boot it up and see if I can figure out where I got it. | 17:36 |
| init | hm.. its possible to sync my GPE Calendar with my .ics Files stored on a ftp server, or with SunBird directly? | 17:37 |
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| init | gpesyncd | 17:38 |
| init | This is a small tool to handle the exchange between the gpe databases and the vcard, vevent, vtodo formats. | 17:38 |
| bill20r3 | deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user | 17:38 |
| init | but think its not the right one | 17:38 |
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| MarLaw | thanks bill20r3 , seems excatly the same version i got | 17:38 |
| MarLaw | and i just flashed before with the last update | 17:38 |
| MarLaw | do you have tcpdump or dsniff ? | 17:39 |
| bill20r3 | I haven't flashed to the latest. | 17:39 |
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| MarLaw | oh i see | 17:39 |
| MarLaw | that could be the trick | 17:39 |
| bill20r3 | I have tcpdump&dsniff | 17:39 |
| bill20r3 | but if I run them, my ssh will die. | 17:39 |
| MarLaw | urlsnarf is just in the package with dsniff | 17:39 |
| MarLaw | yeah if you are in from ssh | 17:40 |
| bill20r3 | I haven't run dsniff before, but I think tcpdump worked for me. | 17:40 |
| IRCFrEAK | hmm when I try the 770 flasher it says "suitible USB device not found, waiting | 17:40 |
| bill20r3 | the only wireless-sniffer thing that hasn't worked is doing injection w/ aircrack | 17:40 |
| dragorn | MarLaw: As I've said lots of other places, the wifi drivers are very broken in the firmware. It's a crap shoot if the drivers will drop dead or not in rfmon in about 10 seconds. | 17:40 |
| bill20r3 | but I guess that's a driver problem | 17:40 |
| IRCFrEAK | it said the same when I tried it from linux with flasher-3.0 as well :( | 17:40 |
| dragorn | MarLaw: Until that's fixed, there will be no official kismet package | 17:40 |
| dragorn | IRCFrEAK: Unplugged from the power adapter, turned off? | 17:41 |
| MarLaw | ok | 17:41 |
| MarLaw | if i can help | 17:41 |
| MarLaw | in anyway | 17:41 |
| init | hmm.. with which software you use the nokia770 as an organizer? calender contacts and stuff? | 17:41 |
| dragorn | MarLaw: Can you rewrite the drivers? Thanks. :P | 17:41 |
| IRCFrEAK | dragorn: yup. Just charged it up, unplugged from power now, turned off | 17:41 |
| dragorn | IRCFrEAK: i've found it won't initialize to a flashable state if it's plugged in | 17:41 |
| dragorn | IRCFrEAK: ah. hm. | 17:41 |
| dragorn | IRCFrEAK: that's all the help I had, I'm afraid | 17:41 |
| MarLaw | dragorn: I can't | 17:42 |
| IRCFrEAK | hrmm | 17:42 |
| MarLaw | IRCFrEAK: try to change the usb | 17:42 |
| MarLaw | while it is connected | 17:42 |
| bill20r3 | has anyone built a connector for the serial port? | 17:43 |
| IRCFrEAK | tried that :( | 17:43 |
| IRCFrEAK | still can't find it. | 17:43 |
| IRCFrEAK | I've connected via USB to copy files etc and that worked fine, | 17:44 |
| init | ?? | 17:44 |
| IRCFrEAK | :( *sob* | 17:48 |
| IRCFrEAK | damn thing | 17:48 |
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| IRCFrEAK | any reason it can't just update itself via the internet? Like most other stuff these days... | 17:49 |
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| Pupnik | yes, security | 17:50 |
| dragorn | i'd disconnect it from usb, pull the battery, connect it to usb, start the flasher, insert the battery again | 17:50 |
| IRCFrEAK | why is security an issue? | 17:51 |
| dragorn | More design and how they did the initfs than security, any time you download some user contributed package you've thrown security out | 17:51 |
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| IRCFrEAK | seems like a feature completely missing IMHO | 17:53 |
| IRCFrEAK | ah well, at least its open - it can be changed :) | 17:53 |
| Pupnik | exactly, which is why auto-downloading something is taking the responsibility for security away from the user | 17:53 |
| IRCFrEAK | I'd say at least being able to point opera at the firmware update file you want, confirm you really want to do it.... That seems fine to me | 17:54 |
| IRCFrEAK | no more or less secure than downloading it to your PC first then faffing about with a usb cable | 17:54 |
| Pupnik | i suppose you could modify the app manager to do an 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' every couple of days | 17:54 |
| init | how application i should use vor PIM???? | 17:55 |
| Veggen | init: I think gpe is your best option now. | 17:55 |
| init | hmm but its not syncable Veggen? | 17:55 |
| Veggen | But the N800 isn't a good PDA as such, at least not yet. | 17:56 |
| osfameron | indeed | 17:56 |
| init | i know Veggen, butt got the 770 and must use it as pda | 17:56 |
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| init | and with functions and stuff i think sync must be possible | 17:56 |
| Veggen | Well. GPE can be made syncable, on the 770. | 17:56 |
| Veggen | never done it, though. | 17:57 |
| init | "can be made syncable" sounds good =) | 17:57 |
| init | syncable with what? | 17:57 |
| Veggen | For example Evolution, I think. | 17:57 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah | 17:57 |
| s-ndh-c | using multisync/opensync | 17:57 |
| Veggen | There are various descriptions how to do it, they're fairly manual. | 17:58 |
| s-ndh-c | i have done that , but somehow it doesnt seem to sync changes back | 17:58 |
| init | s-ndh-c with what u synced? | 17:58 |
| s-ndh-c | init: with evolution | 17:58 |
| init | need syncing with SunBird or .ics Files stored on a FTP | 17:58 |
| bill20r3 | my bluetooth is always off when I boot up, is that normal, or should that setting persist across reboots? | 17:58 |
| derf | It's never persisted for me. | 17:59 |
| derf | What pisses me off is there isn't even an icon in the systray thingy for you to click on to enable it, the only way I know is to go through the control panel. | 17:59 |
| bill20r3 | yeah, it's lame. | 17:59 |
| init | hm | 18:01 |
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| Pupnik | hmm the abiword people do have an upstream hildonized version of abiword | 18:04 |
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| axod | so is all the hardware on the n800 open documented etc? | 18:05 |
| axod | free for everyone to use | 18:05 |
| Pupnik | no | 18:05 |
| axod | what bits are closed? | 18:05 |
| axod | and whats the legal status regarding reverse engineering them | 18:05 |
| Pupnik | TI's OMAP | 18:06 |
| Pupnik | and other stuff, but that's why you won't see 3d accel on the n800 soon | 18:06 |
| Pupnik | but IANAHE (I am not a hardware engineer) | 18:07 |
| axod | hmm ok, interesting | 18:07 |
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| axod | so *nothing* uses that capability on the device at the moment? | 18:07 |
| Pupnik | afaik correct | 18:07 |
| axod | or does the media player do anything with it | 18:07 |
| axod | what a waste... | 18:07 |
| Pupnik | at least it saves us from the 'why won't oblivion run on n800' requests | 18:08 |
| axod | until someone re's it :) | 18:09 |
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| dragorn | The 3d is closed, the wifi is closed (mostly - in theory it can be run with a prism54 umac, but I haven't been able to do it yet) | 18:09 |
| dragorn | and I'd expect using a p54 umac would ruin the maemo wifi integration since currently wpa and other functionality is implemented at the driver layer | 18:10 |
| Pupnik | dragorn: know offhand if anybody has done an 8086 emulation core for arm? | 18:10 |
| dragorn | Or rather, the 3d is nonexistent, theres not even a binary interface to it | 18:11 |
| dragorn | Pupnik: ew? :P | 18:11 |
| dragorn | Pupnik: Someone got dosbox running, I don't know about any optimizations for x86->arm | 18:11 |
| bill20r3 | I'm waiting for usb host mode. | 18:11 |
| dragorn | yes, usb host would be nice | 18:11 |
| axod | is usb host possible with the hardware? | 18:11 |
| MarLaw | bill20r3: You can try if you want, there is a patch available | 18:11 |
| MarLaw | yeah | 18:11 |
| axod | oh kewl, that would be very handy | 18:11 |
| MarLaw | in theory () | 18:11 |
| axod | lol k | 18:11 |
| Pupnik | dragorn: yeah i've been testing various builds of dosbox for a couple of weeks, and i think an 8086 specific core could be a good deal faster | 18:12 |
| Pupnik | all i can do at this point is try to see if some of ssvb's optimizations for mplayer could help | 18:12 |
| axod | I'm completely new to this. I did a lot of work on re'ing the Archos AV3xx portable media players though | 18:12 |
| dragorn | axod: USB host is possible, however there aren't drivers capable of doing it | 18:12 |
| dragorn | MarLaw: url? | 18:12 |
| axod | looking forward to trying some stuff with this :) | 18:12 |
| Pupnik | cool axos, rokbox? | 18:12 |
| dragorn | axod: You may need to do power injection into the usb bus tho, I'm not sure. The 770 can't power it's own usb devices, you need an external power source | 18:13 |
| axod | very similar. Had to start from scratch though as the av3xx is very different hardware | 18:13 |
| axod | ah ok i c | 18:13 |
| axod | still could be very useful | 18:13 |
| dragorn | i haven't read anything definitive about the 800 bus power | 18:13 |
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| dragorn | the 770 certainly works alright with external power on the devices, I got the wispy SA running on it, and did some wifi tricks with an external card | 18:14 |
| MarLaw | give me a scond | 18:14 |
| MarLaw | http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ | 18:15 |
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| dragorn | For most USB devices you need to connect the N800 to a powered USB hub. N800 | 18:16 |
| dragorn | can only provide 100mA of power. | 18:16 |
| dragorn | Well, that answers part of it | 18:16 |
| dragorn | i'm not so sure about his cable mangling directions | 18:16 |
| MarLaw | well 100 mA should be enough for usb penns , right ? | 18:17 |
| dragorn | maybe | 18:18 |
| Pupnik | a few people have just wired up 5v batteries into their usb cable | 18:19 |
| dragorn | definitely not enough to power a radio | 18:19 |
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| Pupnik | dosbox65 'simple' core crashes | 19:03 |
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| zuh | Now the cat's out of the bag: http://www.gnome.org/mobile/ | 19:06 |
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| * Robot101 is in the announcement talk now :) | 19:12 | |
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| Jaffa | zuh: cool | 19:13 |
| jku | interesting: http://www.gnome.org/mobile/ | 19:14 |
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| bill20r3 | where's the talk? | 19:15 |
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| jku | You mean gnome mobile? CELF Embedded Linux Conference, in Santa Clara I think | 19:16 |
| jku | Pacific time zone anyway | 19:17 |
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| konttori_ | does anyone have osx ppc? | 19:35 |
| konttori_ | I need someone to do just a quick test | 19:36 |
| konttori_ | won't take more than ... like a few mins | 19:36 |
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| * Pupnik no have | 19:40 | |
| Jaffa | konttori_: not any more | 19:40 |
| konttori_ | Oh, indeed, you sold it. | 19:41 |
| konttori_ | did you get good money from it? | 19:42 |
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| tko | this is crazy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881&q=mario+frustration | 19:53 |
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| konttori_ | tko: it was crazy stuff | 19:58 |
| * Pupnik doesn't have flash - was it a hard video game level? | 19:58 | |
| tko | a bit harder than usual I'd say | 19:58 |
| MarLaw | tko, what is the guy doing ?? | 19:59 |
| tko | MarLaw: watch it with sound on and you'll get it | 19:59 |
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| MarLaw | yeah he's just playing the game | 20:01 |
| MarLaw | without being good | 20:01 |
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| MarLaw | yeah its funny | 20:04 |
| MarLaw | def funny | 20:05 |
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| bill20r3 | Has anyone figured out how to pop up a status-box from a shell script, using dbus-send? | 20:15 |
| Pupnik | aha new rendering code in dosbox 70 has pointer-alignment problems | 20:18 |
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| maddler | doh! | 20:49 |
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| * Pupnik gives maddler a donut | 20:52 | |
| maddler | Pupnik: doooonut.... doh! doh! doh! | 20:53 |
| Pupnik | mmm donut | 20:55 |
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| Pupnik | one unfortunate thing about having mmc1 formatted as vfat is you can't do a number of unixy user-file permission stuff on it | 21:10 |
| Pupnik | so just dumping say some program's /usr/local/share stuff on there won't work | 21:10 |
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| s-ndh-c | Pupnik: why not? | 21:11 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean you allways have full access to it | 21:11 |
| Pupnik | fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=140737488355328, ...}) = 0 | 21:12 |
| Pupnik | stuff like that needs to be handled | 21:12 |
| s-ndh-c | i only have some librarys and executables there | 21:13 |
| Pupnik | /media/mmc1/usr/local/share# du -s tome/ | 21:14 |
| Pupnik | 34336 tome | 21:14 |
| Pupnik | bleh | 21:14 |
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| fuelfive | konttori_: I have osx ppc | 21:17 |
| konttori_ | cool. Could you please try Media Converter from here: http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/MediaConverterOSXIntel.zip | 21:18 |
| konttori_ | It's supposed to be universal binary, but I'm not sure if it works in ppc | 21:18 |
| fuelfive | hmmm... ok, in initfs, there's a /usr/share/images/logo-nokia file, but I can't figure out what format it is | 21:18 |
| konttori_ | Unzip it, open the containing media converter. | 21:18 |
| fuelfive | uh, intel? | 21:18 |
| fuelfive | i have ppc | 21:18 |
| fuelfive | oh wait | 21:19 |
| fuelfive | hehe | 21:19 |
| konttori_ | Yeah, as I said, I just call it intel just to make sure | 21:19 |
| fuelfive | didn't read your messages after the url | 21:19 |
| konttori_ | Ok, after it opens, try to convert (make a 30 sec preview) of any video | 21:19 |
| konttori_ | You can drag 'n' drop a video there. | 21:19 |
| konttori_ | and tell me what happens. | 21:20 |
| fuelfive | ok, seems to be converting | 21:20 |
| fuelfive | file progress is filling up | 21:20 |
| konttori_ | cool. So, it works as universal binary. great! | 21:20 |
| fuelfive | awesome | 21:21 |
| konttori_ | Phew. No I don't even have to worry about ppc/intel stuff. ALl should just *work* (like always on a mac) | 21:21 |
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| fuelfive | heh, this is clearly a UI designed by a coder | 21:21 |
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| konttori_ | ;) indeed. | 21:21 |
| konttori_ | Hey, if you could also do me a favor and download 480p video from quicktime.com of 300 (a trailer) and try converting that. It would be great | 21:22 |
| fuelfive | paste a direct download link here and I'll do it | 21:23 |
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| konttori_ | http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/300/300-tlr2_480p.mov | 21:25 |
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| Pupnik | timidity is fun on n770 | 21:34 |
| Pupnik | those .MIDI files take up no space | 21:35 |
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| fuelfive | konttori_: that downloads as like a 3kb file | 21:40 |
| fuelfive | strange | 21:40 |
| fcassia | timidity on the n800??? now thats nice | 21:41 |
| konttori_ | ah. umm... Try from here: http://movies.apple.com/trailers/wb/300/hd/ | 21:41 |
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| konttori_ | DL the 480p version and save it to desktop once it has been loaded completely in quicktime | 21:41 |
| fuelfive | I just did that | 21:41 |
| fuelfive | and it had the same problem | 21:41 |
| fcassia | wget is your friend | 21:41 |
| fuelfive | not installed, and i don't feel like using darwinports to install :P | 21:42 |
| fuelfive | it worked on the original file I used (a decent sized trailer for Bioshock) | 21:42 |
| fuelfive | brb | 21:43 |
| konttori_ | Ok, no probs. I'll just assume that if it works on my intel mac mini, it works the same way on PPC. Thanks for helping me out on that one! | 21:43 |
| fuelfive | no prob | 21:44 |
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| Pupnik | i'm an idiot, i forgot how to start up matchbox-window manager (whatever) in scratchbox | 22:26 |
| Pupnik | anybody around remember this offhand? | 22:26 |
| `0660 | af<tab> | 22:27 |
| Tak | af-sb-init.sh start | 22:27 |
| Pupnik | ty | 22:27 |
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| qos_ | hey guys ... | 23:41 |
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| qos_ | i am searching the command "ip" but i cant find it ... i which packet will i find it? | 23:42 |
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| Pupnik | debsearch | 23:48 |
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| Pupnik | no apt-file | 23:49 |
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| Pupnik | iproute package qos_ | 23:53 |
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| qos_ | pupnik, debsearch? | 23:56 |
| Pupnik | no apt-file will find packages containing binaries | 23:57 |
| Pupnik | but ip is part of the "iproute" package | 23:57 |
| Pupnik | /sbin/ip | 23:57 |
| qos_ | which iproute package? | 23:57 |
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