IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-04-18

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Smilezcan anyone help me with these route points? I got the route loaded, but when i click "go to next route" it takes me to the final destination, and nowhere else... and there is no voice synthesis either... thoughts?00:05
derfYou thought there would be voice synthesis?00:06
Smilezhehe.. yeah. I mean its in the settings, and people claim its there and it works00:06
derfWow, what? I didn't know that.00:07
Smilezyeah. you're supposed to install the "Flite" Voice Synthesis package00:07
Smilezand then enable it in maemomapper00:07
Smilezbut on the forum, I noticed some extra settings that don't appear in mine, which is pitch and speed00:07
derfWell, I could go downstairs and bug the author, I suppose.00:08
Smilezso im not sure if i downloaded the right version of flight00:08
Smilezof mmapper? :D00:08
Smilezthats pretty crazy00:08
derfBy coincidence, he works for the same company I do.00:08
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Smilezwhat about simply getting the route points to work?00:08
Smilezthats pretty funny00:08
Smilezwhat state (if stateside) do you guys work in?00:08
Smilezwhen i click on "next route" it goes to the destination00:09
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SmilezI would like it to go to the start route point, then next goes to first turn, next, 2nd turn, next, third turn, etc00:12
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mk8Hi to all :)00:21
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Smilezhowdy mk800:21
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Smilezughhh, why wont these route points work as planned?!00:33
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Smilezhowdy maddler00:37
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maddlerSmilez: hi...00:37
Smilezmaddler, by chance do you use maemomapper?00:37
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maddleryup.. sometimes...00:39
maddlernot now... I know my home pretty well... :DDD00:39
Smilezwhen you download and utilize a route, how do you go to the next route?00:39
Smilez when i click on next route it goes to the final destination00:40
maddlerhmmm... never tried that... sorry...00:40
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arjdoes anyone have a guide to get a vnc server running on linux which automaticly resizes to 800x480?00:41
b0unc3maddler: ciao :)00:41
Smilezmaddler, like when you download a route, you don't go from one route point to the next? you just look at it? or do you use the GPS?00:42
Smilezim trying to get Flite to read it to me, and be able to select next route point, etc00:43
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Smilezactually, when MMapper just opened up, i heard it hiss like flite was loading up or something... but still no audio00:47
||cwarj: resizes the host?  I'm not sure vncserver can do that, even in xorg on the fly resizing is very new00:47
maddlerb0unc3: oila`! :D00:47
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maddlerb0unc3: just installed idea... it works!!! :D00:48
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maddlermaybe some work to do to improve CP... but it overall rocks! :D00:48
arjyeah resizing on the host00:48
b0unc3maddler: yeah, I know00:48
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maddlerI should also increase font size on my IT...00:52
maddlerArial 14px now00:52
b0unc3maddler: have you seen the video-guide ? :)00:55
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maddlerfor IDEA? :O00:55
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maddlerb0unc3: italians do IT better! :D01:01
b0unc3maddler: aahuahuaha01:02
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maddlerb0unc3: btw... the click feedback now works fine... :D01:07
b0unc3maddler: good01:09
zeenixrobtaylor: you have debs for coherence?01:12
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maddlerdoh... boring night...01:22
unique311mess with gimp, it will be exciting...01:22
unique311not really01:22
unique311just stressful01:22
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unique311are you around..01:23
maddlerbetter to steal something from the kitchen...01:23
unique311nothing in there..01:23
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unique311gimshop is taking long to build...make is taking forever01:24
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sp3000coffee break built in01:54
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robtaylorzeenix: yeh,
robtaylorbora main02:13
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unique311_<unique311> ppc6700
unique311_<unique311> vspainter
unique311_<unique311> my work on ppc6700 running vspainter.
unique311_reason i want a descent draw app for maemo02:48
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bjvanybody get their 770 serviced for a loose headphone jack?05:04
bjvjust noticed it this evening05:04
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unique311_i need help05:47
unique311_The following packages have unmet dependencies:05:47
unique311_  python2.5: Depends: libgdbm3 but it is not going to be installed05:47
unique311_             Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.5) but 3.2.1-3 is to be installed05:47
unique311_             Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.5-0.2osso1) but 3.2.1-3 is to be installed05:47
unique311_this is really bothering me05:47
unique311_[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/mypaint-0.4.2] > fakeroot apt-cache policy python05:47
unique311_  Installed: 2.3.4+virtual105:47
unique311_  Candidate: 2.3.4+virtual105:47
unique311_not fair05:48
coathangeryou need to add another repo from what I remember to get the dependencies... booting up n80005:57
unique311_not inside n80005:59
unique311_but i think i found the issue05:59
coathangercan't still use them?05:59
unique311_screwed...getting an alarmd error06:08
unique311_too tired to care06:08
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unique311_mtpaint it is....06:44
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MarLawHello all!07:09
MarLawanyone awake ?07:10
MarLawI got a n800 and I tried some software (including kismet, tcpdump and dsniff) and I think that even if I use the monitor mode something doesn't work .. I tried with an open ap wifi access and my laptop to sniff the urls via urlsnurf and it doesn't seem to catch any page I visit07:12
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* konttori_ just downloaded vmware maemo image09:37
konttori_looking pretty good09:37
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konttori_nice. it's got eclipse pre-installed.09:41
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inzkonttori, w/ laika?10:11
konttori_My external HD crashed again. Didn't have the time to know. I have to go and buy a new one today. can't stand the current state of fearing dataloss all the time10:12
konttori_inz: but if it's not yet with laika, someone should upgrade it to have laika.10:12
konttori_If someone knows how to install laika, just DL the image, install laika , zip the image and make a torrent and upload it to vmware.10:13
konttori_cool. filesystem crashed on the external drive.10:14
konttori_way to go!10:14
konttori_Oh man how I love technology that works (tm)10:14
konttori_Oh well. Time to call it a day for the vmware stuff.10:15
* konttori_ heads to work (the paying kind)10:15
kosola09:37  * konttori_ just downloaded vmware maemo image10:15
kosola09:37 < konttori_> looking pretty good10:15
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kosola09:41 < konttori_> nice. it's got eclipse pre-installed.10:15
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mk8Hi to all10:26
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JaffaMorning, all10:39
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MDKmk8: I tried your test case finally11:00
MDKI can't reproduce the problem with the latest gtk/hildon11:00
mk8ok ... I just upgrade my N800 so I try on it11:00
MDKlatest = gtk 2.10, hildon 1.011:01
MDKthe stuff that's only in trunk now11:01
mk8I install this image: RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin11:01
mk8Only one question MDK, in my test I try to evidence two different problem, this first is related to the modal that don't work (I can change the window) but the first window semms to be disabled except for the title bar that sill acive (the second problem)11:03
mk8none of this problem happens on your device?11:04
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MDKmk8: I see both those 'problems'11:14
MDKbut actually, this is the expected behaviour ;)11:14
MDKthe window is disabled because it's modal11:14
MDKyou can change the window, because it's a window (not a dialog)11:15
MDKso, in short, everything works like expected11:15
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mk8sorry MDK, but the parent of modal window must not cover the child windown normally. But if I can use Dialog insthead, no problem ....11:17
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mk8Thanks, MDK11:17
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mk8Only another question. There is several difference between the scratchbox and the real device. For example yesterday I try to intercept the "value" event on NumeriEditor hildon widget, but on the emulator this event it's generate only when thevalue reach the top or the bottom values, while in the device work fine ...11:19
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mk8It is possible that I haven't the right emulator? I use the VMImage that is upgrade yestarday using Synaptic11:21
mk8MDK: sorry for my english .. :(11:21
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tigertmk8: your english is just fine11:23
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CountDownI'm still trying to get the N800 to use gstreamer to stream audio and video to a QuickTime Streaming Server, but thought I'd check in again to see if someone else has already done this and might have some pointers.  Any takers?  :)11:29
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MDKmk8: the differences are prolly due to different library versions...11:38
MDKnot emulator itself11:38
mk8ok ... sorry MDK, I said emulator, while it is the development environment ... that it is composed from several package ...11:40
mk8but,you know if this difference can be voided 'cause I istalled a wrong version, or if at the moment this is the situation?11:42
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AD-N770good morning11:44
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JaffaNew photo of the Intel MID OS running on top of Hildon on an existing UMPC:
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* zulla considers selling his n800 once these are available.12:58
zullaonly wonder if it's worth to wait for the 2008 chipset.12:58
maddlerJaffa: looks like they didn't spent too much on UI design... looks like they did cut and paste from iPhone...12:59
maddlerzulla: I'd prefere to give it a try before thinking about changing N800...13:00
glasswhats the price range for those13:00
zullaglass: no idea. but they are targetting consumers.13:00
glassyeah well sony 2k$+ umpc's are for "consumers" of some sort too13:01
glassanyways that asus doesn't look half bad for emus etc..13:01
zullathen again, they announced Origami for "less than 500$" and they still are way beyond 1000$.13:01
zullaglass: the asus device is a 7-incher, if I'm not mistaken. Way too big.13:01
Jaffazulla: but for some things the N800's much too small13:02
`0660like for professional image editing :)13:03
zuhProfessional image editing is hardly a reasonable target for a mobile device anyway :)13:03
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AD-N770I'm happy with my old 770 and I use n800 only for testing my code13:25
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roopeThat's also a quite big and heavy block.13:34
roopeimho the umpc:s fall in the dead zone of being too big and too small at the same time.13:35
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roopeWe have the Samsung Q1 for instance. It's really horrible. :)13:39
glassplus decent ones being expensive as hell - yet too small to be used for desktop work13:39
roopeOr whatever it was called.13:39
roopeA fat brick with a poor Windows tacked on a too small resolution scree.13:39
roopeSome of the custom made applications for that device didn't even fit on its screen, and no scroll bars were provided.13:41
roopeWhich is really quite an achievement.13:41
roopeIf they're planning to launch the UI SW in May, good luck. If the screenshots portray the current state.13:42
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zuhroope: What windows?-)13:49
zuhAnd it did work well as a TV (I dumped the dvb stream from my desktop to that and kept it beside my monitor)13:50
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roope  that's more like it.14:09
plaeswhere can I find docs for GTK+ tap-and-hold signal?14:16
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plaesyeah :)14:25
pupnikvery exciting to see more maemo-ish OS support14:28
pupnikbig question for me is integration in to the average consumer's microsoft world14:29
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pupnikrelated to consumer acceptance14:36
roopeintegration is kind of troublesome. you either stick with the legacy or you go the google route and start from scratch.14:41
roopepersonally i'd prefer the latter route, but there... it really depends.14:41
roopeintegration really means supporting all the old crap. which takes a lot of effort and resources.14:41
pupnikI agree, tying yourself to 'standards' of microsoft apps is like a ball and chain14:43
pupnikso looking forward, what's promising for pim and contacts on maemo+linux for 'MID' devices?14:44
pupnikassuming you're not always connected online to use ajax style services14:44
roope(I would take that assumption. :)14:45
pupniki don't have a good grip on what normal people want, TBH14:45
roopeI think that's the way forward for these devices, really. It's really the only way we can be faster and more agile and stay ahead and offer current relevant services.14:45
pupnikok so these are built on applets or java client apps?14:46
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pupniki am a little fuzzy on 'the google route' and exactly what that means on the device14:47
roopeI think it means a standards compliant full featured browser, for starts.14:47
roopeI don't think people are really using java anymore. At least the web2.0 services aren't.14:47
roopenearly everything can be done without it.14:47
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pupnikok i can see the browser client as the platform-agnostic alternative14:48
pupnikbut the fact remains that a lot of functions have to be done offline14:49
roopeYes, that's true. Not all can be done online. but that's the tendency and the general promise.14:49
roopeIt's really hard to compete against many offline functions with the desktop computers. They do them much better.14:49
roopeA mobile device, imho, is really about staying connected. And for that you're online.14:50
roopeThat's the unique advantage of having a mobile device around.14:50
roopeI would put it that way that it is limiting to think that everything should work also offline.14:51
pupnikhopefully being online constantly will be affordable soon14:51
roopeI'm sure it will. Of course not in all places in the world.14:52
roopeI'm paying 10 euros a month flat fee for my 3g data. That's really reasonable.14:52
pupniklooking at say a 400 euro pricepoint, requiring a umts flatrate adds 500 euro a year to the cost14:53
roopeThose prices will come down pretty quickly.14:54
pupniktrue, and then the google model does become more viable14:54
roopeAnyway, if we would start thinking like that only after the prices would come down all over, we would already be too late in starting to prepare for that reality.14:54
pupnikok, you've shifted my perceptions a bit14:55
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inithi there14:55
roopeA lot of people don't agree with this point, but it's also fine for me. :)14:56
pupnikwell it will be viable for a lot of people, i think, who care about keeping connected and having their info synched - they're frequently well paid, in cities with good wireless coverage14:56
roopeYeah. It's not 100% online 0% offline, naturally it would be good if some basic things would work offline. At least keep a local copy of the calendar etc. but it's very hard and dangerous to define the limits.14:57
pupnikbut i like the lotus notes model, where the database can be cached locally and worked-on without a connection14:58
Jaffaroope: the problem is you end up designing devices for yourself, rather than the rest of us (no problem with that for you, but it doesn't help me a lot ;-))14:58
konttoriroope: OTOH, some functions, such as entertainment must be offline viewing, as people tend to be offline when they need entertainment. (on a bus, train plane, etc.)14:58
roopekonttori: yes, media is naturally a different thing.14:58
roopejaffa: it's designing devices for the upcoming rest of the people. :)14:58
roopePredicting the future, that is.14:58
pupnikwhy?  if your software model assumes people will be connected during use, media is no different than a google spreadsheet14:58
JaffaTransparent caching (e.g. offline calendar cache) is, of course, the best approach14:58
roopeconnectivity for media is slow, files are big, there are copyright/drm issues a lot more etc.14:59
konttoriJaffa: Very true14:59
Jaffapupnik: good point, if I'm always connected and data is cheap, you don't need any local storage for media - it comes from home.14:59
konttoriroope: true14:59
pupnikok yes films take more bandwidth than calendar or spreadsheet - that's a difference14:59
roopeMedia consumption standards are very high. I would hate my ipod if it would take over 3 seconds to start playing any song that i want.14:59
konttoriroope: I hope you are not referring to uk mp 30 sec startup time (for 2 GB of mp3s)15:00
pupnikroope: but for the devices to be a success, and for linux tablets to be a success in 2007/2008, the old 'sync with windows' model might still be a deal-breaker15:01
pupnikotherwise we'll just see hardware in the same format, running windows, dominate15:01
roopeI would place my bets on providing and supporting use cases that the windows cannot provide instead of trying to replicate them.15:02
roopeumpc:s, intel and ms are doing that work alreay.15:02
konttoripupnik: You are right about the sync model. Press is complaining about that in every single review of n80015:02
roopethey're developing their mobile tablet OS's, why should we do the same?15:02
pupnikof course commercial companies can sell their PIM for linux OS as well15:04
roopeI'm sure they'll come up with something like that in a couple of years.15:04
pupnikif intel ships enough units, a commercial market might develop15:05
roopeI still don't really believe in PIM. Pocket PC:s and PDA:s have provided pim for ... what, 15 years now?15:05
roopeIT's not a killer app. Or hasn't been so far.15:05
roopeAnd I don't really see why it would change so drmatically.15:05
roopeWhy would it be a killer app all of a sudden?15:05
pupnikwhy did people buy PDAs?15:06
roopeThat's a good question. :)15:06
zuhDid they?-)15:06
roopeThey hoped that they would be useful to them.15:06
roopeMobile phones otoh are useful to people. Calling and communicating.15:06
pupnikwell if here we come with 'it's new! it's MID!  it fits in your pocket!"15:07
konttoriYeah, I think that calendar functionality is much better served on a mobile phone than on n800, but since that seems to be an issue worth complaining to some, I guess, it seems importatnt to some people ... even if I don't understand why15:07
pupnikand then tell the consumer 'oh but it can't replace your pda'15:07
zuhI think this Intel vision must be brewed in marketing department:
roopekonttori: Yes well, some complain, but it's... if 10 people are barking on the net, it doesn't translate to 10000000 people in the world. :)15:08
roopethere's a heavy bias there, with the net useres.15:08
roopeAnd the vocal complainers.15:08
pupnikkonttori: the point about calendar on a phone isn't bad, since it is more frequently carried15:08
roopeThen again, I do use my calendar on my phone, since it synchs with the work calendar and outlook.15:09
roopethat's very good.15:09
roopeBut I wouldn't do that with the N800, it's too big.15:09
Jaffakonttori: sorry, I strongly disagree that mobile phones provide good PIM facilities. The same reasons they provide bad web browsing experiences *exactly* apply to calendaring and contacts as well.15:09
roopejaffa: the best PIM is something that people use.15:09
roopeOr, if a great PIM tree grows in the forest, but nobody sees it...15:09
JaffaThat's a specious argument: the best mobile web browsing experience is something that people use, so why develop an "Internet Tablet"?15:10
pupnikthe more i think about it, the more I realize nokia's product category definition was wise15:10
roopeIt's an educated guess that very soon internet online services will become so useful that people will use them.15:11
JaffaNow, having my online calendar synced on my phone and tablet could be fine (and, indeed, is almost what I do)15:11
roopeNaturally there's always the risk that it won't be so.15:11
roopebut it's predictive instead of reactive design.15:11
Jaffaroope: but you still need the thick client developed for the offline cached viewer (or use Firefox's/Dojo's offline ability for web apps)15:11
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roopeWell, "need" is a tricky word.15:12
JaffaOK, for calendar *I* need offline access.15:12
roopeIt depends on the information. For calendar yes, for many others no.15:12
JaffaFor contacts, *I* need offline access.15:13
JaffaFor wikipedia, it'd be nice - but not essential.15:13
roopeThere are already standards for calendar and contacts.15:13
roopevcal and vcard or whatever.15:13
pupniki'm ahead of the curve, my only important contacts are in email and irc :P15:14
JaffaIndeed, and Dates is progressing nicely (now does local caching - dunno about syncing local modifications up)15:14
roopeThen again, even contacts... if you plan to do something with your contact, you need to be able to go online anyway at one point.15:14
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roopeAnyway, local copies yes, automatic periodic refreshing and synching of local data with network data helps there.15:15
* pupnik could use help with the PalmOS emulator15:16
felipecdoes anyone knows what else is needed in order to install a GConf schema? I use gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule, but it doesn't seem to work15:16
konttoriI think that the most important aspect of syncing a calendar, is syncing it to exchange calendar. Thus, as mobile phones have that sync, they are 'enterprise ready'. Also as to who complain, the problem is that when the reviewers of the product complain (magazines and stuff), their opinion carries much more weight.15:18
Jaffaroope: unless it's "ring" them and they're not in my phone for some reason :)15:20
inithow i can install the libpcap?15:23
initi cant find online15:23
initapt-get install libpcap doesn't work =(15:23
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pupniknot sure it's available15:26
initwhen i try to install kismet the msg comes taht libpcap must be installed first15:27
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pupnik_nm ebay to the rescue15:36
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pupnik_i always have to tap the xterm screen to activate synergyc15:39
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pupnik_hi unique31115:42
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unique311after talking to a gimp dev in thats also a n800/770 owner15:43
unique311gimp is on pause...for me..15:43
Pupnikwhy? UI issues?15:43
unique311i did compile mtpaint...15:43
* Pupnik remembers mentioning UI issues before this all began :)15:44
Pupnikcool, does it run?15:44
unique311well compiling it was just to give someone with hildonizing experience to handle the15:44
unique311it runs nicely15:45
unique3112 windows open15:45
unique311gimp was 315:45
unique311ilet me take that back15:45
unique311its not ui issues...15:45
unique311for gimp.15:45
Pupnikyes, so, what15:47
unique311the long process it would take to hildon the danm thing.15:47
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unique311on the other hand mtpaint, after looking at the directory of the source and then reading the maemo 2.2 porting tutorial of the game bubble15:49
unique311mtpaint should not be that difficult to hildon15:49
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unique311gonna play around with it on my way to work.  and see if thiers any issues15:50
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Pupnikk cu15:55
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Pupniki think mtpaint could be a real winner16:09
Pupnikcrashing pretty frequently right now16:09
Pupnikmoving stylus onto scrollbar while drawing hangs it16:10
Pupnikwhhop! reboot16:10
inithow im using aircrack?16:15
initwith aircrack i encrypt the packages16:15
initwith aerodump i catch the packages?16:15
initairdecap-ng test1.cab16:17
initfopen failed16:17
initno such file or directory16:17
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maddleranyone here who upgraded Ubuntu fro Edgy to Feisty?16:25
inzI upgraded ubuntu from dapper to feisty16:25
inithow i use airdecap?16:26
inithow i point to the capture file?16:26
Pupniki never used it, just airodump and aircrack16:27
maddlerinz... using adept?16:27
initthen i have to capture ivs with airodump Pupnik?16:27
maddleror s/edgy/feisty/ in sources.list?16:27
initPaavo yeah.. is that u'r realname?16:30
Pupnikinit: that's what i remember16:31
Pupnikyou can also capture packets with kismet16:31
Pupnikit writes to a compatible format16:31
Jaffamaddler: I'm upgrading my wife's laptop from Dapper to Feisty (possible via Edgy as that's the supported route)16:32
initi just have to start kismet?16:33
maddlerJaffa: looks like I cant upgrade using Adept/Synaptic/Upgrade Manager16:33
maddlersince none of those is notifying me about a new release...16:33
maddlerso I'd go with the old way...16:33
Pupnikinit - there are better channels for this16:33
maddlers/edgy/feisty in sources.list and then dist-upgrade16:33
maddlerinit: as well as kismet/aricrack web...16:34
maddlerJaffa: but I would avoid having to install from scratch...16:34
maddlerpartimage is my friend, anyway!!! ;)16:35
inityes maddler16:35
initbut cant find anything in web16:35
initbut ill google again16:35
Jaffamaddler: Is Feisty definitely released? May not have got to your mirro ryet.16:36
Jaffamaddler: I'm planning on s/dapper/edgy/ in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade and repeat for s/edgy/feisty/16:37
Jaffamaddler: In fact, according to the release is tomorrow :)16:37
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||cwJaffa: I've heard that doing that can cause issues, and that update-manager should be used16:38
||cwbut if it's a cli system, probably those issues don't exist16:39
maddlerJaffa: it will be released tonight...16:39
maddlerhmmm... yup... that could be a repo "problem"16:39
maddlerdidn't considered that...16:39
Jaffa||cw: I heard the same, but then also an example of what update-manager did under the covers, which was basically that.16:40
maddlerok... btw... my 4DVD-backup is ready... :)16:40
Jaffa||cw: I take it back: - although the thread raises the point as to what you do without a GUI16:41
maddler||cw: if they managed that the only way of applying an upgrade is using a GUI... well... taht would be _bad_! :D16:41
||cwJaffa: FWIW, I've upgraded several times manualy (5.10-6.06-6.10-7.04) and the only problem I had was that I had to install the new init system manualy for edgy16:41
maddler||cw: same16:42
||cwyou do have to run several dist-upgrades, sometimes manualy install heldback packages, manual remove obsolete packages, etc16:42
||cwthe latter of which is a pita without synaptic16:43
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||cwI also had some odd issues with restricted drivers16:43
Jaffayeah, but it's fairly straightforward. If dist-upgrade fails, keep running it until it works. Although if update-manager can do it all, that's cool.16:44
maddler||cw: dunno... never had too many problems from command line...16:44
||cwgot it sorted though16:44
MDKmk8: can you check what version you have on the device?16:44
||cwmain reason I keep using cli is that update manager allowed X to restart in the middle of the upgrade from 5.04-5.10 and I had to finish it all from the cli anyway16:45
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Pupnik 615508 Apr 18 14:44 mtpaint  niccce16:46
Pupnikno other libs or files needed - runs from just the executeable16:46
mk8MDK: how to ?16:47
Jaffamaddler: looks like your best bet (damn c&p)16:50
maddlerJaffa: yep, I was trying that...16:54
maddlerbut I'm not getting any notice about new releases...16:54
maddlermaybe I'll try the sources.list way tonight at home...16:55
inithow i can send the ESC key to the console on my n77016:55
maddleror wait for official release...16:55
Veggeninit: There's a hardware esc.16:57
Veggen(one of the buttons is actually esc)16:57
initisnt working i think16:58
initgot kismet open and the "option" screen16:58
initand i cant close it =(16:58
Veggenthe round arrow thing.16:58
initisnt working16:59
initnothing hapens =(16:59
b0unc3init: you need to close kismet ?17:04
initjust want to close the options in kismet17:05
b0unc3maybe with 'q' key ?17:07
initill try17:07
initb0unc3 u know how to use the kismet files with aircrack?17:08
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MDKmk8: dpkg-query -s hildon-libs017:09
MDKmk8: you can use same command in sbox too and compare17:09
mk8ok MDK ...17:09
initb0unc3 q was right17:10
initthx =)17:10
b0unc3init: use aircrack-ng kismetfile.dump17:11
b0unc3maybe with some switch like -a -n and so on17:11
initand the directory of the kismetfile i have to use?17:11
mk8On the device the library it is 0.14.11-1 on the sbox the version it is 0.12.24-3 ... suppose that I must upgrade the sbox17:12
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b0unc3init: take a look in the kismet.conf and you will see where the log file are stored17:14
initill try17:18
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initwhats wrong when i cant access my storage card?17:21
inzmaddler, dapper->feisty in sources.list and apt-get foo17:22
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MDKmk8: it looks to me on the device you have n800 software and you're using the 770 sbox17:28
MDKin other words, you're not using bora rootstraps17:28
mk8it could be possible ... I simply download the VMWare image with all installed on it. I never check if it is for 770 o 800 since seems to work ...17:29
MDKn800 breaks the 770 API17:30
mk8hops ...17:31
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initwhats wrong when i cant access my storage card?17:32
mk8MDK: Can you give me a link to the instruction to install the new sbox?17:32
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Veggeninit: Can be a bunch of things, really.17:32
inithmm kismet store logs on it17:33
initafter that i cant access17:33
VeggenWhat does "mount" say?17:33
Veggen(from xterm)17:33
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inithow i mount it'17:33
initmount /mmc17:33
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Veggeninit: Nono, I meant, does "mount" without any arguments report that it's mounted?17:33
VeggenTo remount, it17:34
Veggenit's probably easier to remove and replace the mmc cover.17:34
initi did17:34
initpluged out17:34
initpluged in17:34
initmount says a lot17:34
initdont know what the mmc is?17:35
VeggenIt's /media/mmc, isn't it?17:35
Tak|workgwahaha, and I have mod points...17:37
Tak|worktoo bad the site is /.d17:38
Tak|workhmm, is there no HILDON_NUMBER_EDITOR macro?17:43
Tak|workmeh, nm, forgot to include the widget-specific header17:45
* Tak|work grumbles17:45
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initVeggen havnt got a media/mmc17:47
Veggenhmm, then it probably isn't mounted :)17:47
initi see17:48
Veggenwhat does "dmesg" say? does it complain about something?17:48
initaah its working17:48
initafter maybe 5reboots17:48
maddlerinz: I'll try that later at home...17:52
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initsoo.. now kismet works.. but aircrack say theres no data17:53
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initbut thats normal cause got no WEP here17:53
inzmaddler, from dapper it was pure pain, from edgy it might be a lot less that ;)17:54
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maddlerinz: I hope...17:56
maddlerinz: I was considering installing from scratch anyway...17:56
maddlerand I have a full backup of actual system...17:56
maddlerso I think I can do some testing... ;)17:57
inithow many packets i need to aircrack a WEP key?17:59
Piopacket count isnt as meaningful as the IV count18:00
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maddlerinit: I think I read of some megabytes somewhere...18:00
Pioand 64 bit wep takes less than 12818:00
Pioand if you use the tool that exploits the most recent vulnerability, it takes far less than old aircrack-ng18:01
initthe tool?18:01
inithmm and pakets u scan with kismet?18:02
initbtw IV's18:02
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inithow i scan iv's?18:08
dragornaircrack-ptw is pointless on maemo18:08
dragornbecause you don't have injection.18:08
dragornFMS weak IVs are also pointless.18:08
Pionot necessarily, you just have to wait a loong time to get enough IVs18:08
initwith Kismet?18:08
dragornFMS weak IVs are pointless.  Devices have avoided the FMS keyspace for YEARS.18:09
dragornAs far as PTW, do the research.  It currently specifically keys off arp replies.18:09
Piooh really?18:09
dragornHarvesting 40,000 arp replies in a non-injection environment is rather ridiculous.18:09
Piothats interesting18:09
initohm.. cant understand anything =)18:09
dragornIt's all in their paper.18:09
Pioevery time ive actually let kismet just gather traffic, it seems to end up getting unstable after a while, so you end up having to restart it and combine the dump files together all the time.. so its pretty much a total PITA anyway.. ive never actually gathered enough traffic passively to crack wep18:12
dragornThere's little point in passively cracking wep.  Theres little point in actively cracking wep, for that matter.  As far as going unstable, blame the drivers.  The cx1311x stuff seems highly unstable.18:13
init"so its pretty much a total PITA" whats a PITA?18:14
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Piopain in the ass18:14
initso its not possible to crack WEP with the Nokia770 in a normal time?18:15
Pupnikor Persuade Init To Abstain from this18:15
Pioinit, its possible, but its not likely18:15
PioPupnik, heh18:15
Pupnikif i were in a place with more passerby i'd love to set up a honeypot net to see what happens18:18
Pioyou'd see a loooot of POP passwords heh18:18
initwhy this should be so other then with the computer18:20
initwith the computer u crack WEP in few minutes18:20
initwhy not with the nokia18:21
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zullaI'm not familiar with WEP cracking. But last I heard you need two WLAN cards to do that effectively. Is that correct?18:28
initi everytime did with one18:28
inithad a lot of problems to find the right driver18:29
initso it was easyer to buy the right card =)18:29
Pupniksome can do it with one18:29
initbut now on my laptop its working18:29
initOrinoco Card, Antenna, Start Airodump ... wait 3minutes or so.. start aircrack.. *cracked*18:29
initwhat are the "probes" in airodump?18:30
inithave to go18:34
initnice evening18:34
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wasabi_Heh. Interesting N800 review.18:53
zulla"On the contary. I say let them keep selling overpriced and under-powered products to people with more money than sense. Then in 5 years when it's possible to make these things affordable and practical to regular people the technology will have matured and there'll be 5 years of extra experience in how to get things right, design/interface-wise.19:02
zullaThe bleeding edge guys get their bragging rights for a few years, the manufacturers get their R&D funding, and everyone else gets a better product in the end. Everybody wins."19:02
zulla-> from Slashdot...19:02
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mk8Bye to all ... I go out ... Bye MDK19:11
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PupnikI need a vi compatible browser window text editor... I keep using vi commands :/19:24
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||cwTak|work: that's freaking awesome19:47
Pupnikmtpaint for Nokia screenshots, testing binary (602kB!) usage notes19:48
Pupnikhopefully unique311 can hildonize and get fullscreen working soon19:49
Veggen...would it be possible to make a, that you LD_PRELOADed, that did kind of hildonize light?19:51
Veggen(which just replaced certain gtk-calls, for example)19:52
nomisVeggen: sounds dangerous.19:52
* Pupnik dunnos... cool mtpaint's text input fields work with touchpad19:52
Veggennomis: quick and dirty, could even work for some simple apps.19:53
inzgrr, dapper's ffox is too old for vimperator...19:53
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Veggen...but probably, it'd be more useful in the development process. Maybe it could be configured to log calls that are normally replaced with hildon-functions?19:54
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Veggenbut, home.19:59
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skandalerashi all! I'm playing with a nokia 770 and the maemo mapper20:56
skandalerasi've obtained the maps in the web20:56
skandaleraswhat should I do with that? :S20:56
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skandalerasI don't know what are the parameters for latitude top-left, latitude-bottom-right and longitude ...20:57
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dieguitoskandaleras: you need a gps for that?20:57
dieguitoor it's some weird internet based thing20:58
skandalerasno, I don't, I just want to download some maps of barcelona20:58
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dieguitois that possible?20:59
skandalerasdieguito: yes, it is20:59
dieguitowhere do i see if there are maps for my city20:59
skandalerasdieguito: you can obtain them from google maps!21:03
dieguitowell google maps doesn't like my city21:03
dieguitoend of history21:04
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maddlerJaffa: started dist-upgrade...21:17
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maddlerlet's see what'll happen!21:17
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Tak|workSkyhusker: does that patch look at all useful to anyone but me?23:06
SkyhuskerTak|work: it looks useful to me, but i hadn't tought of it23:06
SkyhuskerTak|work: I'll apply it as soon as I update maemo-xchat to xchat 2.8.223:07
Skyhuskerwill try to do it in the next two weeks23:07
Tak|workall right23:07
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Pupnikthis 770 screen is really scratch resistant23:22
* Pupnik is using a pencil right now23:22
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maddlerilpanda: ciao! :D23:49
maddlerPupnik: well... a pencil could be way too much... but yes... it's resistant...23:49
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Tak|workthat's it, I'm going to start using an icepick with mine23:50
roopehopefully the iphone improves on the ipod materials. :)23:51
roopethey scratch like hell.23:51
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maddlerhehehe... if they keep using same materials as with iPod.... the iPhone will lasto <1hr!23:52
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_m0hi @all23:55
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Pupniki actually don't see anything soft about the tip of the stylii.  the pencil at least ablates to a smooth tip23:58

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