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| Smilez | can anyone help me with these route points? I got the route loaded, but when i click "go to next route" it takes me to the final destination, and nowhere else... and there is no voice synthesis either... thoughts? | 00:05 |
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| derf | You thought there would be voice synthesis? | 00:06 |
| Smilez | hehe.. yeah. I mean its in the settings, and people claim its there and it works | 00:06 |
| derf | Wow, what? I didn't know that. | 00:07 |
| Smilez | yeah. you're supposed to install the "Flite" Voice Synthesis package | 00:07 |
| Smilez | and then enable it in maemomapper | 00:07 |
| Smilez | but on the forum, I noticed some extra settings that don't appear in mine, which is pitch and speed | 00:07 |
| derf | Well, I could go downstairs and bug the author, I suppose. | 00:08 |
| Smilez | so im not sure if i downloaded the right version of flight | 00:08 |
| Smilez | of mmapper? :D | 00:08 |
| derf | Yeah. | 00:08 |
| Smilez | thats pretty crazy | 00:08 |
| Smilez | hehe | 00:08 |
| derf | By coincidence, he works for the same company I do. | 00:08 |
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| Smilez | what about simply getting the route points to work? | 00:08 |
| Smilez | thats pretty funny | 00:08 |
| Smilez | what state (if stateside) do you guys work in? | 00:08 |
| derf | VA. | 00:08 |
| Smilez | tru | 00:09 |
| Smilez | when i click on "next route" it goes to the destination | 00:09 |
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| Smilez | I would like it to go to the start route point, then next goes to first turn, next, 2nd turn, next, third turn, etc | 00:12 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all :) | 00:21 |
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| Smilez | howdy mk8 | 00:21 |
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| Smilez | ughhh, why wont these route points work as planned?! | 00:33 |
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| maddler | hello... | 00:37 |
| Smilez | howdy maddler | 00:37 |
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| maddler | Smilez: hi... | 00:37 |
| Smilez | maddler, by chance do you use maemomapper? | 00:37 |
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| maddler | yup.. sometimes... | 00:39 |
| maddler | :) | 00:39 |
| maddler | not now... I know my home pretty well... :DDD | 00:39 |
| Smilez | when you download and utilize a route, how do you go to the next route? | 00:39 |
| Smilez | when i click on next route it goes to the final destination | 00:40 |
| maddler | hmmm... never tried that... sorry... | 00:40 |
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| arj | does anyone have a guide to get a vnc server running on linux which automaticly resizes to 800x480? | 00:41 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: ciao :) | 00:41 |
| Smilez | maddler, like when you download a route, you don't go from one route point to the next? you just look at it? or do you use the GPS? | 00:42 |
| Smilez | im trying to get Flite to read it to me, and be able to select next route point, etc | 00:43 |
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| Smilez | actually, when MMapper just opened up, i heard it hiss like flite was loading up or something... but still no audio | 00:47 |
| ||cw | arj: resizes the host? I'm not sure vncserver can do that, even in xorg on the fly resizing is very new | 00:47 |
| maddler | b0unc3: oila`! :D | 00:47 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: just installed idea... it works!!! :D | 00:48 |
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| maddler | maybe some work to do to improve CP... but it overall rocks! :D | 00:48 |
| arj | yeah resizing on the host | 00:48 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: yeah, I know | 00:48 |
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| maddler | I should also increase font size on my IT... | 00:52 |
| maddler | Arial 14px now | 00:52 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: have you seen the video-guide ? :) | 00:55 |
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| maddler | for IDEA? :O | 00:55 |
| maddler | LOL! | 00:55 |
| b0unc3 | :D | 00:55 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: italians do IT better! :D | 01:01 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: aahuahuaha | 01:02 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: btw... the click feedback now works fine... :D | 01:07 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: good | 01:09 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: you have debs for coherence? | 01:12 |
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| maddler | doh... boring night... | 01:22 |
| unique311 | mess with gimp, it will be exciting... | 01:22 |
| unique311 | not really | 01:22 |
| unique311 | just stressful | 01:22 |
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| maddler | hehe... | 01:23 |
| unique311 | timeless | 01:23 |
| unique311 | are you around.. | 01:23 |
| maddler | better to steal something from the kitchen... | 01:23 |
| unique311 | nothing in there.. | 01:23 |
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| unique311 | gimshop is taking long to build...make is taking forever | 01:24 |
| unique311 | why | 01:24 |
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| maddler | yawn... | 01:29 |
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| sp3000 | feature | 01:54 |
| sp3000 | coffee break built in | 01:54 |
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| robtaylor | zeenix: yeh, packages.codethink.co.uk | 02:12 |
| robtaylor | bora main | 02:13 |
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| unique311_ | <unique311> ppc6700 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/_assets/images/articles/ppc6700Specs.jpg | 02:48 |
| unique311_ | <unique311> vspainter http://handheld.softpedia.com/images/software/screens/Vspainter-1.jpg | 02:48 |
| unique311_ | <unique311> my work on ppc6700 running vspainter. http://unique11210.googlepages.com/monthly0.html | 02:48 |
| unique311_ | reason i want a descent draw app for maemo | 02:48 |
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| bjv | anybody get their 770 serviced for a loose headphone jack? | 05:04 |
| bjv | just noticed it this evening | 05:04 |
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| unique311_ | i need help | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | python2.5: Depends: libgdbm3 but it is not going to be installed | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.5) but 3.2.1-3 is to be installed | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.5-0.2osso1) but 3.2.1-3 is to be installed | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | this is really bothering me | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/mypaint-0.4.2] > fakeroot apt-cache policy python | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | python: | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | Installed: 2.3.4+virtual1 | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | Candidate: 2.3.4+virtual1 | 05:47 |
| unique311_ | not fair | 05:48 |
| coathanger | you need to add another repo from what I remember to get the dependencies... booting up n800 | 05:57 |
| unique311_ | not inside n800 | 05:59 |
| unique311_ | scratchbox | 05:59 |
| unique311_ | but i think i found the issue | 05:59 |
| coathanger | can't still use them? | 05:59 |
| unique311_ | screwed...getting an alarmd error | 06:08 |
| unique311_ | too tired to care | 06:08 |
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| unique311_ | mtpaint it is.... | 06:44 |
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| MarLaw | Hello all! | 07:09 |
| MarLaw | anyone awake ? | 07:10 |
| MarLaw | I got a n800 and I tried some software (including kismet, tcpdump and dsniff) and I think that even if I use the monitor mode something doesn't work .. I tried with an open ap wifi access and my laptop to sniff the urls via urlsnurf and it doesn't seem to catch any page I visit | 07:12 |
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| konttori_ | morning! | 09:03 |
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| ptman | 9 | 09:19 |
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| * konttori_ just downloaded vmware maemo image | 09:37 | |
| konttori_ | looking pretty good | 09:37 |
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| konttori_ | nice. it's got eclipse pre-installed. | 09:41 |
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| inz | konttori, w/ laika? | 10:11 |
| konttori_ | My external HD crashed again. Didn't have the time to know. I have to go and buy a new one today. can't stand the current state of fearing dataloss all the time | 10:12 |
| konttori_ | inz: but if it's not yet with laika, someone should upgrade it to have laika. | 10:12 |
| konttori_ | If someone knows how to install laika, just DL the image, install laika , zip the image and make a torrent and upload it to vmware. | 10:13 |
| konttori_ | cool. filesystem crashed on the external drive. | 10:14 |
| konttori_ | way to go! | 10:14 |
| inz | yay! | 10:14 |
| inz | party! | 10:14 |
| konttori_ | Oh man how I love technology that works (tm) | 10:14 |
| konttori_ | Oh well. Time to call it a day for the vmware stuff. | 10:15 |
| * konttori_ heads to work (the paying kind) | 10:15 | |
| kosola | 09:37 * konttori_ just downloaded vmware maemo image | 10:15 |
| kosola | 09:37 < konttori_> looking pretty good | 10:15 |
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| kosola | 09:41 < konttori_> nice. it's got eclipse pre-installed. | 10:15 |
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| Knirch | ok | 10:16 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 10:26 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:39 |
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| MDK | mk8: I tried your test case finally | 11:00 |
| MDK | I can't reproduce the problem with the latest gtk/hildon | 11:00 |
| mk8 | ok ... I just upgrade my N800 so I try on it | 11:00 |
| MDK | latest = gtk 2.10, hildon 1.0 | 11:01 |
| MDK | the stuff that's only in trunk now | 11:01 |
| mk8 | I install this image: RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:01 |
| tigert | morn | 11:02 |
| mk8 | Only one question MDK, in my test I try to evidence two different problem, this first is related to the modal that don't work (I can change the window) but the first window semms to be disabled except for the title bar that sill acive (the second problem) | 11:03 |
| mk8 | none of this problem happens on your device? | 11:04 |
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| MDK | mk8: I see both those 'problems' | 11:14 |
| MDK | but actually, this is the expected behaviour ;) | 11:14 |
| MDK | the window is disabled because it's modal | 11:14 |
| MDK | you can change the window, because it's a window (not a dialog) | 11:15 |
| MDK | so, in short, everything works like expected | 11:15 |
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| mk8 | sorry MDK, but the parent of modal window must not cover the child windown normally. But if I can use Dialog insthead, no problem .... | 11:17 |
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| mk8 | Thanks, MDK | 11:17 |
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| mk8 | Only another question. There is several difference between the scratchbox and the real device. For example yesterday I try to intercept the "value" event on NumeriEditor hildon widget, but on the emulator this event it's generate only when thevalue reach the top or the bottom values, while in the device work fine ... | 11:19 |
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| maddler | morning... | 11:20 |
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| mk8 | It is possible that I haven't the right emulator? I use the VMImage that is upgrade yestarday using Synaptic | 11:21 |
| mk8 | MDK: sorry for my english .. :( | 11:21 |
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| tigert | mk8: your english is just fine | 11:23 |
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| CountDown | I'm still trying to get the N800 to use gstreamer to stream audio and video to a QuickTime Streaming Server, but thought I'd check in again to see if someone else has already done this and might have some pointers. Any takers? :) | 11:29 |
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| MDK | mk8: the differences are prolly due to different library versions... | 11:38 |
| MDK | not emulator itself | 11:38 |
| mk8 | ok ... sorry MDK, I said emulator, while it is the development environment ... that it is composed from several package ... | 11:40 |
| mk8 | but,you know if this difference can be voided 'cause I istalled a wrong version, or if at the moment this is the situation? | 11:42 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:44 |
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| Jaffa | New photo of the Intel MID OS running on top of Hildon on an existing UMPC: http://www.umpcportal.com/gallery/v/redflag/asus-redflag_preview.jpg.html | 12:52 |
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| * zulla considers selling his n800 once these are available. | 12:58 | |
| zulla | only wonder if it's worth to wait for the 2008 chipset. | 12:58 |
| maddler | Jaffa: looks like they didn't spent too much on UI design... looks like they did cut and paste from iPhone... | 12:59 |
| maddler | :) | 12:59 |
| maddler | zulla: I'd prefere to give it a try before thinking about changing N800... | 13:00 |
| glass | whats the price range for those | 13:00 |
| zulla | glass: no idea. but they are targetting consumers. | 13:00 |
| glass | yeah well sony 2k$+ umpc's are for "consumers" of some sort too | 13:01 |
| glass | anyways that asus doesn't look half bad for emus etc.. | 13:01 |
| zulla | then again, they announced Origami for "less than 500$" and they still are way beyond 1000$. | 13:01 |
| zulla | glass: the asus device is a 7-incher, if I'm not mistaken. Way too big. | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | zulla: but for some things the N800's much too small | 13:02 |
| `0660 | like for professional image editing :) | 13:03 |
| zuh | Professional image editing is hardly a reasonable target for a mobile device anyway :) | 13:03 |
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| AD-N770 | I'm happy with my old 770 and I use n800 only for testing my code | 13:25 |
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| b0unc3 | morning... | 13:31 |
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| roope | That's also a quite big and heavy block. | 13:34 |
| roope | imho the umpc:s fall in the dead zone of being too big and too small at the same time. | 13:35 |
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| glass | yeah.. | 13:39 |
| roope | We have the Samsung Q1 for instance. It's really horrible. :) | 13:39 |
| glass | plus decent ones being expensive as hell - yet too small to be used for desktop work | 13:39 |
| roope | Or whatever it was called. | 13:39 |
| roope | A fat brick with a poor Windows tacked on a too small resolution scree. | 13:39 |
| roope | Some of the custom made applications for that device didn't even fit on its screen, and no scroll bars were provided. | 13:41 |
| roope | Which is really quite an achievement. | 13:41 |
| roope | If they're planning to launch the UI SW in May, good luck. If the screenshots portray the current state. | 13:42 |
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| zuh | roope: What windows?-) | 13:49 |
| zuh | And it did work well as a TV (I dumped the dvb stream from my desktop to that and kept it beside my monitor) | 13:50 |
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| roope | http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/04/18/x86-umpcs-are-getting-sexier-continued/ that's more like it. | 14:09 |
| zulla | http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=502 | 14:12 |
| plaes | where can I find docs for GTK+ tap-and-hold signal? | 14:16 |
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| zuh | plaes: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/api/gtk/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget-tap-and-hold | 14:25 |
| plaes | yeah :) | 14:25 |
| pupnik | very exciting to see more maemo-ish OS support | 14:28 |
| pupnik | big question for me is integration in to the average consumer's microsoft world | 14:29 |
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| pupnik | related to consumer acceptance | 14:36 |
| roope | integration is kind of troublesome. you either stick with the legacy or you go the google route and start from scratch. | 14:41 |
| roope | personally i'd prefer the latter route, but there... it really depends. | 14:41 |
| roope | integration really means supporting all the old crap. which takes a lot of effort and resources. | 14:41 |
| pupnik | I agree, tying yourself to 'standards' of microsoft apps is like a ball and chain | 14:43 |
| pupnik | so looking forward, what's promising for pim and contacts on maemo+linux for 'MID' devices? | 14:44 |
| pupnik | assuming you're not always connected online to use ajax style services | 14:44 |
| roope | (I would take that assumption. :) | 14:45 |
| pupnik | i don't have a good grip on what normal people want, TBH | 14:45 |
| roope | I think that's the way forward for these devices, really. It's really the only way we can be faster and more agile and stay ahead and offer current relevant services. | 14:45 |
| pupnik | ok so these are built on applets or java client apps? | 14:46 |
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| pupnik | i am a little fuzzy on 'the google route' and exactly what that means on the device | 14:47 |
| roope | I think it means a standards compliant full featured browser, for starts. | 14:47 |
| roope | I don't think people are really using java anymore. At least the web2.0 services aren't. | 14:47 |
| roope | nearly everything can be done without it. | 14:47 |
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| pupnik | ok i can see the browser client as the platform-agnostic alternative | 14:48 |
| pupnik | but the fact remains that a lot of functions have to be done offline | 14:49 |
| roope | Yes, that's true. Not all can be done online. but that's the tendency and the general promise. | 14:49 |
| roope | It's really hard to compete against many offline functions with the desktop computers. They do them much better. | 14:49 |
| roope | A mobile device, imho, is really about staying connected. And for that you're online. | 14:50 |
| roope | That's the unique advantage of having a mobile device around. | 14:50 |
| roope | I would put it that way that it is limiting to think that everything should work also offline. | 14:51 |
| pupnik | hopefully being online constantly will be affordable soon | 14:51 |
| roope | I'm sure it will. Of course not in all places in the world. | 14:52 |
| roope | I'm paying 10 euros a month flat fee for my 3g data. That's really reasonable. | 14:52 |
| pupnik | looking at say a 400 euro pricepoint, requiring a umts flatrate adds 500 euro a year to the cost | 14:53 |
| roope | Those prices will come down pretty quickly. | 14:54 |
| pupnik | true, and then the google model does become more viable | 14:54 |
| roope | Anyway, if we would start thinking like that only after the prices would come down all over, we would already be too late in starting to prepare for that reality. | 14:54 |
| pupnik | ok, you've shifted my perceptions a bit | 14:55 |
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| init | hi there | 14:55 |
| roope | A lot of people don't agree with this point, but it's also fine for me. :) | 14:56 |
| pupnik | well it will be viable for a lot of people, i think, who care about keeping connected and having their info synched - they're frequently well paid, in cities with good wireless coverage | 14:56 |
| roope | Yeah. It's not 100% online 0% offline, naturally it would be good if some basic things would work offline. At least keep a local copy of the calendar etc. but it's very hard and dangerous to define the limits. | 14:57 |
| pupnik | but i like the lotus notes model, where the database can be cached locally and worked-on without a connection | 14:58 |
| Jaffa | roope: the problem is you end up designing devices for yourself, rather than the rest of us (no problem with that for you, but it doesn't help me a lot ;-)) | 14:58 |
| roope | yes. | 14:58 |
| konttori | roope: OTOH, some functions, such as entertainment must be offline viewing, as people tend to be offline when they need entertainment. (on a bus, train plane, etc.) | 14:58 |
| roope | konttori: yes, media is naturally a different thing. | 14:58 |
| roope | jaffa: it's designing devices for the upcoming rest of the people. :) | 14:58 |
| roope | Predicting the future, that is. | 14:58 |
| pupnik | why? if your software model assumes people will be connected during use, media is no different than a google spreadsheet | 14:58 |
| Jaffa | Transparent caching (e.g. offline calendar cache) is, of course, the best approach | 14:58 |
| roope | connectivity for media is slow, files are big, there are copyright/drm issues a lot more etc. | 14:59 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Very true | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: good point, if I'm always connected and data is cheap, you don't need any local storage for media - it comes from home. | 14:59 |
| konttori | roope: true | 14:59 |
| pupnik | ok yes films take more bandwidth than calendar or spreadsheet - that's a difference | 14:59 |
| roope | Media consumption standards are very high. I would hate my ipod if it would take over 3 seconds to start playing any song that i want. | 14:59 |
| konttori | roope: I hope you are not referring to uk mp 30 sec startup time (for 2 GB of mp3s) | 15:00 |
| konttori | ;) | 15:00 |
| pupnik | roope: but for the devices to be a success, and for linux tablets to be a success in 2007/2008, the old 'sync with windows' model might still be a deal-breaker | 15:01 |
| pupnik | otherwise we'll just see hardware in the same format, running windows, dominate | 15:01 |
| roope | I would place my bets on providing and supporting use cases that the windows cannot provide instead of trying to replicate them. | 15:02 |
| roope | umpc:s, intel and ms are doing that work alreay. | 15:02 |
| konttori | pupnik: You are right about the sync model. Press is complaining about that in every single review of n800 | 15:02 |
| roope | they're developing their mobile tablet OS's, why should we do the same? | 15:02 |
| pupnik | of course commercial companies can sell their PIM for linux OS as well | 15:04 |
| roope | I'm sure they'll come up with something like that in a couple of years. | 15:04 |
| pupnik | if intel ships enough units, a commercial market might develop | 15:05 |
| roope | I still don't really believe in PIM. Pocket PC:s and PDA:s have provided pim for ... what, 15 years now? | 15:05 |
| roope | IT's not a killer app. Or hasn't been so far. | 15:05 |
| roope | And I don't really see why it would change so drmatically. | 15:05 |
| roope | Why would it be a killer app all of a sudden? | 15:05 |
| pupnik | why did people buy PDAs? | 15:06 |
| roope | That's a good question. :) | 15:06 |
| zuh | Did they?-) | 15:06 |
| roope | They hoped that they would be useful to them. | 15:06 |
| roope | Mobile phones otoh are useful to people. Calling and communicating. | 15:06 |
| pupnik | well if here we come with 'it's new! it's MID! it fits in your pocket!" | 15:07 |
| konttori | Yeah, I think that calendar functionality is much better served on a mobile phone than on n800, but since that seems to be an issue worth complaining to some, I guess, it seems importatnt to some people ... even if I don't understand why | 15:07 |
| pupnik | and then tell the consumer 'oh but it can't replace your pda' | 15:07 |
| zuh | I think this Intel vision must be brewed in marketing department: http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0704/idf-mobile&a=0&s=7 | 15:07 |
| roope | konttori: Yes well, some complain, but it's... if 10 people are barking on the net, it doesn't translate to 10000000 people in the world. :) | 15:08 |
| roope | there's a heavy bias there, with the net useres. | 15:08 |
| roope | And the vocal complainers. | 15:08 |
| pupnik | konttori: the point about calendar on a phone isn't bad, since it is more frequently carried | 15:08 |
| roope | Then again, I do use my calendar on my phone, since it synchs with the work calendar and outlook. | 15:09 |
| roope | that's very good. | 15:09 |
| roope | But I wouldn't do that with the N800, it's too big. | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | konttori: sorry, I strongly disagree that mobile phones provide good PIM facilities. The same reasons they provide bad web browsing experiences *exactly* apply to calendaring and contacts as well. | 15:09 |
| roope | jaffa: the best PIM is something that people use. | 15:09 |
| roope | Or, if a great PIM tree grows in the forest, but nobody sees it... | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | That's a specious argument: the best mobile web browsing experience is something that people use, so why develop an "Internet Tablet"? | 15:10 |
| pupnik | the more i think about it, the more I realize nokia's product category definition was wise | 15:10 |
| roope | It's an educated guess that very soon internet online services will become so useful that people will use them. | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | Now, having my online calendar synced on my phone and tablet could be fine (and, indeed, is almost what I do) | 15:11 |
| roope | Naturally there's always the risk that it won't be so. | 15:11 |
| roope | but it's predictive instead of reactive design. | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | roope: but you still need the thick client developed for the offline cached viewer (or use Firefox's/Dojo's offline ability for web apps) | 15:11 |
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| roope | Well, "need" is a tricky word. | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | OK, for calendar *I* need offline access. | 15:12 |
| roope | It depends on the information. For calendar yes, for many others no. | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | For contacts, *I* need offline access. | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | For wikipedia, it'd be nice - but not essential. | 15:13 |
| roope | There are already standards for calendar and contacts. | 15:13 |
| roope | vcal and vcard or whatever. | 15:13 |
| pupnik | i'm ahead of the curve, my only important contacts are in email and irc :P | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, and Dates is progressing nicely (now does local caching - dunno about syncing local modifications up) | 15:14 |
| roope | Then again, even contacts... if you plan to do something with your contact, you need to be able to go online anyway at one point. | 15:14 |
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| roope | Anyway, local copies yes, automatic periodic refreshing and synching of local data with network data helps there. | 15:15 |
| * pupnik could use help with the PalmOS emulator | 15:16 | |
| felipec | does anyone knows what else is needed in order to install a GConf schema? I use gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule, but it doesn't seem to work | 15:16 |
| konttori | I think that the most important aspect of syncing a calendar, is syncing it to exchange calendar. Thus, as mobile phones have that sync, they are 'enterprise ready'. Also as to who complain, the problem is that when the reviewers of the product complain (magazines and stuff), their opinion carries much more weight. | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | roope: unless it's "ring" them and they're not in my phone for some reason :) | 15:20 |
| init | how i can install the libpcap? | 15:23 |
| init | i cant find online | 15:23 |
| init | apt-get install libpcap doesn't work =( | 15:23 |
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| pupnik | not sure it's available | 15:26 |
| init | when i try to install kismet the msg comes taht libpcap must be installed first | 15:27 |
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| pupnik_ | nm ebay to the rescue | 15:36 |
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| pupnik_ | i always have to tap the xterm screen to activate synergyc | 15:39 |
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| pupnik_ | hi unique311 | 15:42 |
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| unique311 | after talking to a gimp dev in thats also a n800/770 owner | 15:43 |
| unique311 | gimp is on pause...for me.. | 15:43 |
| Pupnik | why? UI issues? | 15:43 |
| unique311 | yes | 15:43 |
| unique311 | i did compile mtpaint... | 15:43 |
| * Pupnik remembers mentioning UI issues before this all began :) | 15:44 | |
| unique311 | lol | 15:44 |
| Pupnik | cool, does it run? | 15:44 |
| unique311 | well compiling it was just to give someone with hildonizing experience to handle the | 15:44 |
| unique311 | rest | 15:45 |
| unique311 | it runs nicely | 15:45 |
| unique311 | 2 windows open | 15:45 |
| unique311 | gimp was 3 | 15:45 |
| unique311 | ilet me take that back | 15:45 |
| unique311 | its not ui issues... | 15:45 |
| unique311 | for gimp. | 15:45 |
| Pupnik | yes, so, what | 15:47 |
| unique311 | the long process it would take to hildon the danm thing. | 15:47 |
| Pupnik | ok | 15:48 |
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| unique311 | on the other hand mtpaint, after looking at the directory of the source and then reading the maemo 2.2 porting tutorial of the game bubble | 15:49 |
| unique311 | mtpaint should not be that difficult to hildon | 15:49 |
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| unique311 | gonna play around with it on my way to work. and see if thiers any issues | 15:50 |
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| unique311 | later | 15:54 |
| Pupnik | k cu | 15:55 |
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| Pupnik | i think mtpaint could be a real winner | 16:09 |
| Pupnik | crashing pretty frequently right now | 16:09 |
| Pupnik | moving stylus onto scrollbar while drawing hangs it | 16:10 |
| Pupnik | whhop! reboot | 16:10 |
| init | hmm | 16:15 |
| init | how im using aircrack? | 16:15 |
| init | with aircrack i encrypt the packages | 16:15 |
| init | with aerodump i catch the packages? | 16:15 |
| init | airdecap-ng test1.cab | 16:17 |
| init | fopen failed | 16:17 |
| init | no such file or directory | 16:17 |
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| init | ? | 16:20 |
| maddler | anyone here who upgraded Ubuntu fro Edgy to Feisty? | 16:25 |
| inz | I upgraded ubuntu from dapper to feisty | 16:25 |
| init | how i use airdecap? | 16:26 |
| init | how i point to the capture file? | 16:26 |
| Pupnik | i never used it, just airodump and aircrack | 16:27 |
| maddler | inz... using adept? | 16:27 |
| init | then i have to capture ivs with airodump Pupnik? | 16:27 |
| maddler | or s/edgy/feisty/ in sources.list? | 16:27 |
| init | Pupnik? | 16:30 |
| init | Paavo yeah.. is that u'r realname? | 16:30 |
| Pupnik | init: that's what i remember | 16:31 |
| Pupnik | you can also capture packets with kismet | 16:31 |
| Pupnik | it writes to a compatible format | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | maddler: I'm upgrading my wife's laptop from Dapper to Feisty (possible via Edgy as that's the supported route) | 16:32 |
| init | aaah | 16:32 |
| init | i just have to start kismet? | 16:33 |
| maddler | Jaffa: looks like I cant upgrade using Adept/Synaptic/Upgrade Manager | 16:33 |
| maddler | since none of those is notifying me about a new release... | 16:33 |
| maddler | so I'd go with the old way... | 16:33 |
| Pupnik | init - there are better channels for this | 16:33 |
| maddler | s/edgy/feisty in sources.list and then dist-upgrade | 16:33 |
| init | where? | 16:33 |
| Pupnik | #kismet | 16:33 |
| init | aah | 16:33 |
| maddler | init: as well as kismet/aricrack web... | 16:34 |
| maddler | Jaffa: but I would avoid having to install from scratch... | 16:34 |
| maddler | partimage is my friend, anyway!!! ;) | 16:35 |
| init | yes maddler | 16:35 |
| init | but cant find anything in web | 16:35 |
| init | but ill google again | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | maddler: Is Feisty definitely released? May not have got to your mirro ryet. | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | maddler: I'm planning on s/dapper/edgy/ in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade and repeat for s/edgy/feisty/ | 16:37 |
| Jaffa | maddler: In fact, according to http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu704 the release is tomorrow :) | 16:37 |
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| ||cw | Jaffa: I've heard that doing that can cause issues, and that update-manager should be used | 16:38 |
| ||cw | but if it's a cli system, probably those issues don't exist | 16:39 |
| maddler | Jaffa: it will be released tonight... | 16:39 |
| maddler | hmmm... yup... that could be a repo "problem" | 16:39 |
| maddler | didn't considered that... | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | ||cw: I heard the same, but then also an example of what update-manager did under the covers, which was basically that. | 16:40 |
| maddler | ok... btw... my 4DVD-backup is ready... :) | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | ||cw: I take it back: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-July/019393.html - although the thread raises the point as to what you do without a GUI | 16:41 |
| maddler | ||cw: if they managed that the only way of applying an upgrade is using a GUI... well... taht would be _bad_! :D | 16:41 |
| ||cw | Jaffa: FWIW, I've upgraded several times manualy (5.10-6.06-6.10-7.04) and the only problem I had was that I had to install the new init system manualy for edgy | 16:41 |
| maddler | ||cw: same | 16:42 |
| ||cw | you do have to run several dist-upgrades, sometimes manualy install heldback packages, manual remove obsolete packages, etc | 16:42 |
| ||cw | the latter of which is a pita without synaptic | 16:43 |
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| ||cw | I also had some odd issues with restricted drivers | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | yeah, but it's fairly straightforward. If dist-upgrade fails, keep running it until it works. Although if update-manager can do it all, that's cool. | 16:44 |
| maddler | ||cw: dunno... never had too many problems from command line... | 16:44 |
| ||cw | got it sorted though | 16:44 |
| MDK | mk8: can you check what version you have on the device? | 16:44 |
| ||cw | main reason I keep using cli is that update manager allowed X to restart in the middle of the upgrade from 5.04-5.10 and I had to finish it all from the cli anyway | 16:45 |
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| Pupnik | 615508 Apr 18 14:44 mtpaint niccce | 16:46 |
| Pupnik | no other libs or files needed - runs from just the executeable | 16:46 |
| mk8 | MDK: how to ? | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | maddler: | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | maddler: | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | maddler: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes looks like your best bet (damn c&p) | 16:50 |
| maddler | Jaffa: yep, I was trying that... | 16:54 |
| maddler | but I'm not getting any notice about new releases... | 16:54 |
| maddler | maybe I'll try the sources.list way tonight at home... | 16:55 |
| init | how i can send the ESC key to the console on my n770 | 16:55 |
| maddler | or wait for official release... | 16:55 |
| Veggen | init: There's a hardware esc. | 16:57 |
| Veggen | (one of the buttons is actually esc) | 16:57 |
| init | hmm | 16:58 |
| init | isnt working i think | 16:58 |
| init | got kismet open and the "option" screen | 16:58 |
| init | and i cant close it =( | 16:58 |
| Veggen | the round arrow thing. | 16:58 |
| init | isnt working | 16:59 |
| init | nothing hapens =( | 16:59 |
| b0unc3 | init: you need to close kismet ? | 17:04 |
| init | no | 17:05 |
| init | just want to close the options in kismet | 17:05 |
| b0unc3 | maybe with 'q' key ? | 17:07 |
| init | ill try | 17:07 |
| init | b0unc3 u know how to use the kismet files with aircrack? | 17:08 |
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| MDK | mk8: dpkg-query -s hildon-libs0 | 17:09 |
| MDK | mk8: you can use same command in sbox too and compare | 17:09 |
| mk8 | ok MDK ... | 17:09 |
| init | b0unc3 q was right | 17:10 |
| init | thx =) | 17:10 |
| b0unc3 | init: use aircrack-ng kismetfile.dump | 17:11 |
| b0unc3 | maybe with some switch like -a -n and so on | 17:11 |
| init | okey | 17:11 |
| init | and the directory of the kismetfile i have to use? | 17:11 |
| mk8 | On the device the library it is 0.14.11-1 on the sbox the version it is 0.12.24-3 ... suppose that I must upgrade the sbox | 17:12 |
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| b0unc3 | init: take a look in the kismet.conf and you will see where the log file are stored | 17:14 |
| init | ill try | 17:18 |
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| init | whats wrong when i cant access my storage card? | 17:21 |
| inz | maddler, dapper->feisty in sources.list and apt-get foo | 17:22 |
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| MDK | mk8: it looks to me on the device you have n800 software and you're using the 770 sbox | 17:28 |
| MDK | in other words, you're not using bora rootstraps | 17:28 |
| mk8 | it could be possible ... I simply download the VMWare image with all installed on it. I never check if it is for 770 o 800 since seems to work ... | 17:29 |
| MDK | n800 breaks the 770 API | 17:30 |
| mk8 | hops ... | 17:31 |
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| mk8 | :( | 17:31 |
| init | whats wrong when i cant access my storage card? | 17:32 |
| mk8 | MDK: Can you give me a link to the instruction to install the new sbox? | 17:32 |
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| Veggen | init: Can be a bunch of things, really. | 17:32 |
| init | hmm kismet store logs on it | 17:33 |
| init | after that i cant access | 17:33 |
| Veggen | What does "mount" say? | 17:33 |
| Veggen | (from xterm) | 17:33 |
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| init | how i mount it' | 17:33 |
| init | mount /mmc | 17:33 |
| init | ? | 17:33 |
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| Veggen | init: Nono, I meant, does "mount" without any arguments report that it's mounted? | 17:33 |
| Veggen | To remount, it | 17:34 |
| Veggen | it's probably easier to remove and replace the mmc cover. | 17:34 |
| init | i did | 17:34 |
| init | pluged out | 17:34 |
| init | pluged in | 17:34 |
| init | mount says a lot | 17:34 |
| init | dont know what the mmc is? | 17:35 |
| Veggen | It's /media/mmc, isn't it? | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/18/1410253 | 17:36 |
| Tak|work | gwahaha, and I have mod points... | 17:37 |
| Tak|work | too bad the site is /.d | 17:38 |
| Tak|work | hmm, is there no HILDON_NUMBER_EDITOR macro? | 17:43 |
| Tak|work | meh, nm, forgot to include the widget-specific header | 17:45 |
| * Tak|work grumbles | 17:45 | |
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| init | Veggen havnt got a media/mmc | 17:47 |
| Veggen | hmm, then it probably isn't mounted :) | 17:47 |
| init | i see | 17:48 |
| init | =( | 17:48 |
| Veggen | what does "dmesg" say? does it complain about something? | 17:48 |
| init | aah its working | 17:48 |
| init | after maybe 5reboots | 17:48 |
| maddler | inz: I'll try that later at home... | 17:52 |
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| init | soo.. now kismet works.. but aircrack say theres no data | 17:53 |
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| init | but thats normal cause got no WEP here | 17:53 |
| inz | maddler, from dapper it was pure pain, from edgy it might be a lot less that ;) | 17:54 |
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| maddler | inz: I hope... | 17:56 |
| maddler | inz: I was considering installing from scratch anyway... | 17:56 |
| maddler | and I have a full backup of actual system... | 17:56 |
| maddler | :) | 17:56 |
| maddler | so I think I can do some testing... ;) | 17:57 |
| init | how many packets i need to aircrack a WEP key? | 17:59 |
| Pio | packet count isnt as meaningful as the IV count | 18:00 |
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| init | aah | 18:00 |
| maddler | init: I think I read of some megabytes somewhere... | 18:00 |
| Pio | and 64 bit wep takes less than 128 | 18:00 |
| Pio | and if you use the tool that exploits the most recent vulnerability, it takes far less than old aircrack-ng | 18:01 |
| init | the tool? | 18:01 |
| init | aircrack-ptw? | 18:01 |
| Pio | yep | 18:01 |
| init | aah | 18:01 |
| init | hmm and pakets u scan with kismet? | 18:02 |
| init | btw IV's | 18:02 |
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| init | hmm | 18:08 |
| init | Pio | 18:08 |
| init | how i scan iv's? | 18:08 |
| dragorn | aircrack-ptw is pointless on maemo | 18:08 |
| dragorn | because you don't have injection. | 18:08 |
| dragorn | FMS weak IVs are also pointless. | 18:08 |
| Pio | not necessarily, you just have to wait a loong time to get enough IVs | 18:08 |
| init | with Kismet? | 18:08 |
| dragorn | FMS weak IVs are pointless. Devices have avoided the FMS keyspace for YEARS. | 18:09 |
| dragorn | As far as PTW, do the research. It currently specifically keys off arp replies. | 18:09 |
| Pio | oh really? | 18:09 |
| dragorn | Harvesting 40,000 arp replies in a non-injection environment is rather ridiculous. | 18:09 |
| Pio | thats interesting | 18:09 |
| init | ohm.. cant understand anything =) | 18:09 |
| dragorn | It's all in their paper. | 18:09 |
| Pio | every time ive actually let kismet just gather traffic, it seems to end up getting unstable after a while, so you end up having to restart it and combine the dump files together all the time.. so its pretty much a total PITA anyway.. ive never actually gathered enough traffic passively to crack wep | 18:12 |
| dragorn | There's little point in passively cracking wep. Theres little point in actively cracking wep, for that matter. As far as going unstable, blame the drivers. The cx1311x stuff seems highly unstable. | 18:13 |
| init | "so its pretty much a total PITA" whats a PITA? | 18:14 |
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| Pio | pain in the ass | 18:14 |
| init | ahm.. | 18:14 |
| init | so its not possible to crack WEP with the Nokia770 in a normal time? | 18:15 |
| Pupnik | or Persuade Init To Abstain from this | 18:15 |
| Pio | init, its possible, but its not likely | 18:15 |
| Pio | Pupnik, heh | 18:15 |
| Pupnik | if i were in a place with more passerby i'd love to set up a honeypot net to see what happens | 18:18 |
| init | hmm | 18:18 |
| Pio | you'd see a loooot of POP passwords heh | 18:18 |
| init | hmm | 18:19 |
| init | why this should be so other then with the computer | 18:20 |
| init | with the computer u crack WEP in few minutes | 18:20 |
| init | why not with the nokia | 18:21 |
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| zulla | I'm not familiar with WEP cracking. But last I heard you need two WLAN cards to do that effectively. Is that correct? | 18:28 |
| init | no | 18:28 |
| init | i everytime did with one | 18:28 |
| init | had a lot of problems to find the right driver | 18:29 |
| init | so it was easyer to buy the right card =) | 18:29 |
| Pupnik | some can do it with one | 18:29 |
| init | but now on my laptop its working | 18:29 |
| init | Orinoco Card, Antenna, Start Airodump ... wait 3minutes or so.. start aircrack.. *cracked* | 18:29 |
| init | what are the "probes" in airodump? | 18:30 |
| init | have to go | 18:34 |
| init | nice evening | 18:34 |
| init | cya | 18:34 |
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| wasabi_ | Heh. Interesting N800 review. | 18:53 |
| zulla | "On the contary. I say let them keep selling overpriced and under-powered products to people with more money than sense. Then in 5 years when it's possible to make these things affordable and practical to regular people the technology will have matured and there'll be 5 years of extra experience in how to get things right, design/interface-wise. | 19:02 |
| zulla | The bleeding edge guys get their bragging rights for a few years, the manufacturers get their R&D funding, and everyone else gets a better product in the end. Everybody wins." | 19:02 |
| zulla | -> from Slashdot... | 19:02 |
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| mk8 | Bye to all ... I go out ... Bye MDK | 19:11 |
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| Pupnik | I need a vi compatible browser window text editor... I keep using vi commands :/ | 19:24 |
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| Tak|work | http://vimperator.mozdev.org/ | 19:29 |
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| ||cw | Tak|work: that's freaking awesome | 19:47 |
| Pupnik | :))) | 19:48 |
| Pupnik | mtpaint for Nokia screenshots, testing binary (602kB!) usage notes | 19:48 |
| Pupnik | http://pupnik.de/mtpaint.html | 19:48 |
| Pupnik | hopefully unique311 can hildonize and get fullscreen working soon | 19:49 |
| Veggen | ...would it be possible to make a libhildonize.so, that you LD_PRELOADed, that did kind of hildonize light? | 19:51 |
| Veggen | (which just replaced certain gtk-calls, for example) | 19:52 |
| nomis | Veggen: sounds dangerous. | 19:52 |
| * Pupnik dunnos... cool mtpaint's text input fields work with touchpad | 19:52 | |
| Veggen | nomis: quick and dirty, could even work for some simple apps. | 19:53 |
| inz | grr, dapper's ffox is too old for vimperator... | 19:53 |
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| Veggen | ...but probably, it'd be more useful in the development process. Maybe it could be configured to log calls that are normally replaced with hildon-functions? | 19:54 |
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| Veggen | but, home. | 19:59 |
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| skandaleras | hi all! I'm playing with a nokia 770 and the maemo mapper | 20:56 |
| skandaleras | i've obtained the maps in the maps.google.com web | 20:56 |
| skandaleras | &ll=41.388401,2.202415&spn=0.162273,0.318947&om=1 | 20:56 |
| skandaleras | what should I do with that? :S | 20:56 |
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| skandaleras | I don't know what are the parameters for latitude top-left, latitude-bottom-right and longitude ... | 20:57 |
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| dieguito | skandaleras: you need a gps for that? | 20:57 |
| dieguito | or it's some weird internet based thing | 20:58 |
| skandaleras | no, I don't, I just want to download some maps of barcelona | 20:58 |
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| dieguito | is that possible? | 20:59 |
| Tak|work | yes | 20:59 |
| skandaleras | dieguito: yes, it is | 20:59 |
| dieguito | where do i see if there are maps for my city | 20:59 |
| skandaleras | dieguito: you can obtain them from google maps! | 21:03 |
| dieguito | well google maps doesn't like my city | 21:03 |
| dieguito | end of history | 21:04 |
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| maddler | re | 21:16 |
| maddler | Jaffa: started dist-upgrade... | 21:17 |
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| maddler | let's see what'll happen! | 21:17 |
| maddler | :D | 21:17 |
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| wiljo | oni | 21:24 |
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| maddler | ino | 21:26 |
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| Skyhusker | hi | 22:58 |
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| Tak|work | howdy | 23:02 |
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| Tak|work | Skyhusker: does that patch look at all useful to anyone but me? | 23:06 |
| Skyhusker | Tak|work: it looks useful to me, but i hadn't tought of it | 23:06 |
| Tak|work | cool | 23:06 |
| Skyhusker | Tak|work: I'll apply it as soon as I update maemo-xchat to xchat 2.8.2 | 23:07 |
| Skyhusker | will try to do it in the next two weeks | 23:07 |
| Tak|work | all right | 23:07 |
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| Pupnik | this 770 screen is really scratch resistant | 23:22 |
| * Pupnik is using a pencil right now | 23:22 | |
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| maddler | ilpanda: ciao! :D | 23:49 |
| ilpanda | ciao | 23:49 |
| maddler | Pupnik: well... a pencil could be way too much... but yes... it's resistant... | 23:49 |
| maddler | :) | 23:49 |
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| Tak|work | that's it, I'm going to start using an icepick with mine | 23:50 |
| roope | hopefully the iphone improves on the ipod materials. :) | 23:51 |
| roope | they scratch like hell. | 23:51 |
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| maddler | hehehe... if they keep using same materials as with iPod.... the iPhone will lasto <1hr! | 23:52 |
| maddler | s/lasto/last/ | 23:52 |
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| _m0 | hi @all | 23:55 |
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| Pupnik | i actually don't see anything soft about the tip of the stylii. the pencil at least ablates to a smooth tip | 23:58 |
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