IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-04-17

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dieguitowhat's the password for user 'user'02:35
dieguitoim trying to log in via ssh02:35
dieguitooh wait ill use a key02:35
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dieguitodoesn't work02:40
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dieguitohmm i can't get canola to see my daap share02:59
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BighugoI want to get minimo for N80008:09
Bighugobut the link is unavailable08:10
Bighugowho can help me?08:10
BighugoIf you have a minimo copy, please send me08:10
Bighugoor you can tell me the link to download08:11
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Bighugoanybody can send me a Minimo copy?08:53
mikemorrisonBighugo: did you try the one available from here: ?08:59
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Bighugoi tried this09:01
Bighugobut the link is not avaiable any more09:01
Bighugoi mean the link
Bighugodo you have the copy?09:03
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mikemorrisonno, sorry i don't09:10
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Bighugothank you anyway09:12
mikemorrisonmaybe you can send that fellow an email and ask him what happened to his minimo repository.09:14
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MilhouseMaybe ask him to use garage than his flakey server which continually goes offline and buggers up app manager  :)09:23
Taktoo much to ask ;-)09:24
Bighugoi will09:25
Bighugoi found the server is fine, but the directory can't access09:25 is okay09:26
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keesjpuppy uses mtPaint perhaps that is also nice for maemo?
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fdsdhey guys, is maemo being used on the new intel handheld pcs?10:25
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Pupnikyes but it looks like they're rebranding it10:31
zuhI don't think it10:32
zuh's what can be called "maemo"10:32
zuhBut parts of it for sure, they specifically mention hildon there10:32
fdsdhow is the n800?  do you guys like it? should I sell my 770 for a n800?10:33
Okkofdsd: I've used 770 for a couple of days and then bought N800, so my impression is limited. 770 is more rugged and slower.10:34
fdsdI love the screen cover of the 77010:35
fdsdI wish It was on the n80010:35
OkkoN800 is a bit more expensive, faster and won't probably take as many hits if it's in your pocket and you treat your pocket badly. That's my impression. :)10:35
zuhWell, unless you are a hacker type I guess N800 would be better since you won't be getting new official software for 77010:35
fdsdI feel like I should be getting the n800 at a discount since I invested so much into my 770.. oh well10:35
OkkoI haven't found any actual use for the camera of N800 since no one I would like to call has the device. Price of being an early adopter I guess.10:36
OkkoIn Finland the choice when buying a new one is easy since there's a discount for N800 @349 euros10:37
Pupnikfor me the memory and speed are quite tempting but it's not enough to make me sell my 77010:37
Pupnikin fact i'll probably never sell it :)10:38
Pupnikin 30 years i'll pull it out and say "see, this* was the first tablet that got it right"10:39
Pupnikmore form factor options would really be nice.  imagine something like the psion netbook at a 400-500 dollar pricepoint10:41
sxpertPupnik, heh, same here10:43
sxpertPupnik, unfortunately by then, it will ben almost impossible to find a replacement battery :D10:43
Pupniki just saw batteries on ebay for 15 euro (!) seems pretty sweet10:44
sxpertwould those explode ?10:44
Pupnikhere's a 1300mah one for 10 dollars10:46
JaffaMorning, all10:50
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JaffaPupnik: yeah, I'd love a netBook or Series 5mx-style Maemo device.10:50
bergieSeries 5 was a bit big, but the keyboard made it a very useful device10:54
Jaffabergie: true, I keep forgetting the 770's about the same size as a Revo.10:54
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PupnikThe porter of "No Gravity" seems to have not released his source10:58
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Pupniki suspect a violation of the GPL10:59
partPupnik: there's a lot of that going around11:00
fdsdwhat do you guys think of the iPhone?11:01
timeless/garage/nogravity% svn up11:01
timelessAt revision 0.11:01
glasscontact him and ask11:01
fdsdor what we have seen of the iphone:)11:01
timelessat least there's a repository, that's a start, right? :)11:01
PupnikI've emailed Sergio11:01
glassfdsd: that it's 3rd party app support is zero besides widgets making it crap and non-intresting for me11:01
Pupniksvn checkout returns nothing here11:01
Jaffafdsd: pretty, nice UI, well-thought through; locked down, not-hackable, expensive, *very* expensive11:01
timelessvery expensive?11:01
glassit's expensive11:01
timelessit's 100$ more than an n80011:01
glass450+2 year contract11:01
timelessi don't see how that's very expensive11:02
fdsdglass, thats right now, wwdc is around release time, and im sure they will have a xcode for iphone11:02
glasstimeless: unsubsidized guess price for it 700-1000$11:02
fdsdcocoa developers would love to program amazing apps for it11:02
Jaffatimeless: Â$450 for a phone (or $600 fo the larger price) on a subsidized *2* year contract is very expensive.11:02
glassit's 450 just with a 2 year contract, remember that.11:02
timeless*shrug*, i've paid 300$ for phones w/ two year subscriptions11:03
timelessand they didn't have touch screen11:03
* Jaffa 's next phone (probably a SE W850i) will cost about -200ukp on a 1 year contract of 35ukp per month.11:03
fdsdits $499 and $599 4gb and 8gb thats with a contract, apple never said anything about any other prices11:03
Pupnikbased on the contract markups you see with other high end phones, glass is right11:04
timelessjaffa: w950i, no?11:04
fdsdapple wont sell it without the contract..11:04
Pupnik*markdowns, whatever11:04
Okkofdsd: I think apple will sell it without the contract in europe11:04
Pupnikso the device itself is expensive in comparison11:04
glassokko: eventually they'd have to11:05
Jaffatimeless: Err, well it's the W850i in the UK.
fdsdOkko, maybe11:05
fdsdI just want the iphone to replace my nokia 77011:05
fdsdit has everything I want..11:05
JaffaOkko: in the UK at least, the market for SIM-free phones is very small indeed, as people expect them "free" with their contracts.11:06
fdsdgive me a terminal on it and Im happy11:06
fdsdappletv has been hacked to death, im sure the iphone will be too11:06
timelessso, 850i is different from 950i, interesting11:07
timelessthe 950i is nice,11:07
JaffaHow many mobile phones have been hacked in the past? I could probably count them on one hand: regulatory and wider-impact concerns generally mean phones are *very* locked down.11:07
fdsdcan you imagine the screen quality and sensitivity that is going to be on the iphone..11:07
fdsdJaffa, this will be the biggest phone on the planet to hack..11:08
fdsdso much spotlight is on it11:08
Jaffatimeless: It's a bit wide (although the 850's a bit thick)11:08
timelesswhich is a bit wide?11:08
fdsdim sure they will get cocoa apps running on it within the first month11:08
Jaffafdsd: maybe, but it could end up like the PSP - a never ending chase of firmwares to hack11:08
Jaffatimeless: the 95011:09
timelessthe 950 wasn't, not compared to the last ericsson i had in the states11:09
fdsdJaffa, maybe, but apple has never locked people out in the past..11:09
timelessfdsd: how much hacking can you do to an ipod?11:09
fdsdtimeless, run linux on it11:09
glassto ipod quite much11:09
Jaffafdsd: iTunes' DRM would be a similar example of an arms race11:09
glassiphone will be locked down11:10
fdsdit will be, but hackers will get past it11:10
glassthey don't even mention having j2me support11:10
* zuh finds his favourite quote of iphone11:10
zuh"Browsing, email, music, video, phone calls, on one device, all will almost certainly work nearly flawlessly"11:10
fdsdif you can update the software via wifi then you can hack it11:10
glassfdsd: not necessarely11:11
timelessyou think hacking TLS is easy?11:11
Jaffafdsd: from a CS/engineering point of view that's not true.11:11
fdsdit will be hacked11:11
timelessif the PKI stuff is done right, sure you can probably hack it in 10 years11:11
glasshas nokias home-flashing proggie been hacked(for symbians)?11:11
fdsdzuh, it is the first phone i know that will do that flawlessly..11:11
zuhAlmost certainly! :)11:12
glassand iphone isn't even in shops yet.  has the fcc certification started even yet?11:12
fdsdit has11:12
* timeless thought the point of the announcement was that they were about to start for fcc cert11:12
timelessand therefore couldn't keep it a secret any longer11:12
JaffaBrowsing will be nice and slow though, without 3G (no EDGE much in the UK) - hence going for a 3G phone for my N800 :)11:12
glassanyways, it's boring from operator point of view(lack of possibility of selling content due to not having j2me etc etc)11:13
timelessglass: video voice mail :)11:13
JaffaStill, I look forward to a possible UK launch so I can have a play with the *very* slick (from the demos) UI11:13
glasstimeless: yeah you can choose in which order you listen voice mails..11:13
Pupnikis there any qualified speculation about nokia putting maemo on a phone?11:14
glassnot really11:15
glassand anyone who would be really qualified would be nda'd11:15
glassi'm pretty sure they got something going on in that regard11:15
glassbut r&d for r&d is just that11:15
Pupnikfrom a pro-maemo perspective this would be a huge boost to number of maemo users11:15
Pupnikthe 770 and 800 do not have much of a point-of-sale presence in german phone shops at least11:16
glassyes.. but it's not ready for mainstream consumer devices imho..11:16
glasswell nokias view is that they only market it really in the states11:16
Pupnikthat makes some sense, as germans are comparatively gadget shy11:17
glassand it's quite experimental as far as nokia goes11:17
Pupnikbut all the kids who see the 770 are wowed11:17
glassin childrens shoes11:18
Pupnikwell *kids* is under 20 for me :)11:18
glassfor to put it in phone maemo would need to be much stabler imho - in the regard that you could release apps OTA for it without too much hassle11:18
glasslike, if they were to replace symbian in large scale with it11:19
Pupniki see what you mean11:19
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Okkoglass: stabler? Can't you currently just give out a .deb for the users?11:27
OkkoI don't see that very much harder than a signed .sisx for symbian users11:27
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glassokko: platform shouldn't change as fast11:28
Okkoglass: In an opinional level I agree. But Symbian changes as fast.11:28
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OkkoSeries 60 v3 broke compatibility11:29
glassnot as fast11:29
OkkoTo Nokia it's just a matter of having a set of software when the device is sold.11:29
AD-N770good morning11:29
glassthe devices, not the device11:29
glassin large scale11:29
Okkoa single model of a device11:29
glassand definetely not updating the platform after it's in millions of phones11:30
Okkothey can always come out another device with another set of software11:30
OkkoThey don't currently update existing Series 40 or Series 60 phones to a more recent version of the OS11:30
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OkkoThey just let it be.11:30
glassif they did it would be a mess selling software for them11:30
Okkoit is a mess. and still companies do it.11:30
OkkoCheck out, they have listed the "Developer Platforms" there11:31
glassbesides symbian isn't done properly so11:31
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glassi know their devices and roadmaps11:32
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OkkoI do agree it would be much better if they had a single OS and would upgrade that for all the phones, but at the moment they don't, so Maemo would be just as good as Series 60 in that sense.11:32
maddlermorning all...11:35
glassmultiple maemo stages on relatively small number of devices wouldn't be that intresting11:35
glassvs s60 being on quite many devices, even of different types, now11:35
Okkonot at first, but that's how S60 started as well11:36
glassi would rather not have them replace it with something that isn't ready - and i would rather have them not have more parallel platforms11:36
OkkoSticking in a Phone application and a GSM chip in N800 would result in a better device than what Nokia 7710 was (Symbian Series 90,
glassyes it would11:37
glassbut it would be a marginal device11:37
glassn800 having a hsdpa chip would be nice11:37
maddlerbut what would happen if a new phone technology arrives?11:37
Okkowhat would make it a marginal device?11:37
glassand 7710 was a very marginal device11:37
glassprice, form factor11:38
glassmarginal device among phones11:38
Okkothat depends mostly on marketing and price point and stuff like that11:38
Okkotechnically it would be a working phone11:38
maddleryes. but that's not an Internet Tablet...11:40
maddlerI mean... it's another kind of device...11:40
maddlerand GSM/GPRS connectivity is actually "old"... and slow...11:41
maddlerand UMTS is being replaced by HDSPA...11:41
glassit's an upgrade rather11:41
glassthan replacement11:41
maddlerso... you would be required to change a (still) good device just because of its phone chip...11:42
maddlerwell... you simply can't upgrade your phone to get hdspa...11:42
glassat least here they upgraded umts towers to support hsdpa pretty much overnight..11:42
maddleryou need a new one...11:42
glassyeah not the phone11:42
maddlerI'm talking from the end-user point of view...11:42
maddlerand also... think about the size...11:43
maddlerbeing able to carry only the phone is useful...11:43
maddlerit's smaller and you can place it in your pocket...11:43
maddlerI wouldn't bring my N800 on the beach...11:43
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maddlernor at the stadium...11:44
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fdsddoes rhythmbox work with 2006 and the nokia 770?11:47
fdsdmDNSResponder would be awesome11:48
Pupnik770 goes with me just about everywhere11:51
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fdsdi take mine where I would feel like my laptop would be a burden11:53
fdsdlike trips and such11:53
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s-ndh-cyeah i use it often, most of the time for music playback and sometimes for looking up public transport arival/departure time and such from the internet12:05
s-ndh-cvery usefull, and much better than surfing the web with my cellphone12:06
maddlerfdsd: yup... same for me... but there are places where I'd avoid to bring it...12:06
zulla - "major announcement" - anyone know what they are talking about?12:06
fdsdzulla, intel tablet using gnome12:06
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JaffaHmm, GUADEC's just up the road.12:12
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zuhzulla: It's a public secret with hints all over. But I'm not telling ;)12:20
Pupniki'd like gtk2.0 to be leaner, in benchmarks with dillo+1.2 vs 2.0 it was more than twice as fat12:21
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zuhfat in what way?12:26
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Pupnikzuh, size12:40
Pupnikperformance was good/better in one instance, worse in most12:40
Pupnikdevelopers should be forced to run everything on a p2 200mhz :)12:41
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PupnikTak: wanna try your hand at merging the gp2x optimised fceu into mameo fceu? :)12:51
Pupnikcompiles fine with a few changes, but one needs to modify drivers/pc/* to match the older fceu12:52
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Pupnikheh, now possible to r00t an aircrack-ng attacker13:32
Sonej^Is there any application for the n800 to capture packets?13:40
Pupnikkismet and aircrack/snort13:41
Pupnikyou can run kismet, configure voice output, plug in headphones and walk around listening to the names and types of wlans found13:42
Sonej^Read somthing about kismet that it did not work fully13:42
Sonej^And aircrack is jsut a cracker, no?13:42
Sonej^Should i install kismet in any special way, so it wont timeout?13:44
Pupniki just used it on 77013:45
Sonej^i see13:45
Molagiis there a kismet for n800?13:48
Molagionly found it for 77013:48
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Molagicouldnt even find a proper download site for it13:52
Pupnikwell you know more than i about n800 issues13:52
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Pupnikkind of a dumb question: is it practical to compile gtk1.2 apps for maemo?13:54
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zuhGtk 1.2 and 2.0 should live happily side-by-side library-wise, but I don't know it 1.2 has any notion of the input method14:04
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StregMolagi: add the repository, and download from there. mistral version works with my n800, and the repo _might_ even have a bora version [ mistral user]14:07
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Molagidoesnt seem to work in my n80014:19
MolagiFATAL: SetFFLAGS: Unkwon interface wlan0: Permission denied14:20
Stregare you logged in as root?14:20
Molagihmm no14:20
Stregdefault password for root is rootme14:20
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Molagihow do i log in as a root14:21
JaffaMolagi: install the "becomeroot" package and then type in an xterm, "sudo gainroot"14:22
Molagiroot shell enabled14:23
Molagiit works now14:24
Molagihow do i crack these14:24
Molagii need aircrack?14:26
JaffaI believe so, but I've never tried.14:26
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Pupniki tested it on my home network but i had to copy a couple of movies back and forth before i got enough initialisation vectors14:29
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Knirchlast time I checked, you couldn't inject packets with the driver available for the wireless in the 770, no idea if the n800 has other driver or allows it14:35
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Molagithis airodump-ng rausb0 doesnt seem to work14:57
Pupnikwhat does ifconfig return for the wlan interface?15:02
Molagiis it that wlan0 thing15:04
Molagilots of stuff15:06
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Pupnikon my device the interface is wlan015:08
Pupnikrausb0 is a driver-specific wlan interface name15:08
Pupnikfor the ralink usb drivers15:08
Molagiso should i use the wlan0 instead15:10
Pupniki think so15:10
Molagidoesnt work with that either15:13
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Molagiairmon-ng start wlan0 doenst work either15:14
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Molagi16: Syntax Error: "( unexpected15:14
s-ndh-cyou are executing code thats for another arch maybe?15:15
Molagiim trying with that15:16
s-ndh-cjust do file foo15:18
s-ndh-con the binary15:18
Pupnikwhere foo=filename15:19
s-ndh-ciam pretty sure its compiled for another arch than the one your are executing it with15:19
Molagipermission denied15:20
s-ndh-catleast i had the exact same error messagen when i accidentaly tried to execute a x86 binary on my tablet15:21
Pupnikhmm i don't have 'file' command on os200615:22
s-ndh-cor maybe it was the other way around, executing a arm binary in my x86 xratchbox15:22
s-ndh-chehe but on your desktop you have15:22
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inithi there16:04
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initis thiz an english or german channel?16:16
Pupnik99% english16:16
s-ndh-cinit: english16:16
initsince 2 days i got a nokia 77016:17
initand im installing software etc..16:17
initbut everytime i have to try all software files16:17
initcause i dont know what i really need16:17
initwhat version i have to take?16:17
s-ndh-cversion of what?16:18
initof the software?16:19
initthere are so many version16:19
initgregale or mistral, os 2006 or os 2007, maemo 1, 2 or 316:19
initonly know that i got os200616:19
Pupnikcorrect.  gregale and mistral are os2006 'versions'16:19
Pupnikavoid anything that says 'bora' or os 2007 or maemo 316:19
initand maemo2 runns on os2006?16:20
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initand i got everytime trouble with wlan16:20
initis there something like netstumbler aviable16:21
s-ndh-cwlan works well here16:21
s-ndh-chad no problems yet16:21
Pupniki lost both my stylii lol16:21
initi everytime got disconnect16:21
s-ndh-cPupnik: i lost one but still have the second16:22
Pupniklooking for a page to order them from :)  not finding16:22
Pupniki'm pissed, the 770 and 800 aren't even mentioned on homepage16:23
Sonej^I need new headphones to my n800, my cat shredded mine :/16:24
initits possible to install software on my 770 remotly pc computer?16:24
osfameronn800 headphones are nice16:24
osfameronnicest free headphones I've ever had.  Actually... probably the nicest I've had (I don't really spend much money on headphones)16:24
s-ndh-cinit: no, but you can login via ssh into your device and install software that way,but if you connection randomly drops that wont help much16:26
s-ndh-cid start by find the cause of your connection drops16:26
Pupnikit can help to move the access point away from reflective walls16:28
initap is in serverroomt16:28
initnot moveable16:29
Pupnikwhat does the connection strength indicator say16:29
Pupnikare you moving around in the building?  there can be dead zones due to interference/absorbtion16:29
initsitting on my desk16:30
initstrength indicator is nearby full16:30
Pupnikthe 770 does power-saving with wlan if you are not using the connection actively16:31
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Pupnikare you getting aborted downloads?16:31
inityes also16:31
initit also stopps by downloading16:31
initrouter logs is nothing16:31
initonly tha pass throug wpa etc everytime16:32
Pupniktest wlan with file transfers to local pcs16:32
inithow i can transfer files to pcs?16:32
initatm i got no connection16:32
Pupniksounds like a real wlan problem.  test with other wlans.  test with open wlans16:33
glasschange channel if you can etc..16:33
glassfrom the ap16:33
inithmm okey16:36
initill try16:36
initgot no other wlan atm16:36
initjust the one at home16:36
initneighbours here doesn't have wlan16:36
s-ndh-cwlan at home in the server room?16:38
inithmm glass16:38
initatm channel is on auto16:38
initnow im at work.. here we got wlan in serverroom16:38
initits just a router16:39
initbut also wlan included16:39
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initnormally its turned off cause noone is using it16:39
initat home i got wlan but no serverroom =)16:39
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joss193anyone used cdma here?16:42
initin router log i can find that "Wireless station event: Station X disassociated, SSID: Y."16:42
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initit everytime disconnects16:45
initlike saving power or something16:46
initif u dont use it really it disconnects16:46
Pupnikit does save power16:48
Pupniki don't know details how that works, but my WLAN AP says it stays connected16:48
Pupnikyou can let a ping run constantly from pc to nokia to keep connection on, but only do this when plugged-in to AC power (netzbetrieb)16:49
initit get disconnected eeeverytime16:53
initall minute it got a disconnect16:53
Pupnikheh i see replacement BP-5l batteries for between 12 euro and 66 euro...16:55
bill20r3there are aftermarket ones on ebay for cheap.16:56
bill20r3like us$8-1016:56
Pupnikyeah i see 4x 'maxcell' "1700 mah" going for 1.95 right now on ebay.de16:57
bill20r3how many mah is the nokia battery?16:58
Pupnik1300-1500 rating16:58
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initalso with pinging i got disconnects16:58
bill20r3Hmm, 1700mah is a touch more, although I've been pretty happy with the stock battery17:00
Pupniki have to be somewhat skeptical of someone offering a battery for 2 euro17:00
* bill20r3 shrugs17:01
bill20r3they're marked up so much to start with.17:01
inzI'm skeptical about anyone using lower case a to mark amperes... ;)17:02
Pupnikthat was my typing laziness17:02
inzPup, hence the ';)'17:02
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initits possible to connect to the internet over usb cable?17:08
s-ndh-ci guess that should work17:08
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initill try that tomorrow17:11
initits possible to install some software on the computer for the n770?17:11
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s-ndh-cyou might be able to install stuff in scratchbox and test it there17:12
Pupnikinit: easier than networking over usb:  download software to pc.  connect nokia with usb, copy .deb packages to nokia mmc17:13
Pupnikthen install-from-file17:13
s-ndh-cbut that sucks for packages with many deps17:14
unique311is their like a hildonize book for dummies17:15
s-ndh-cunique311: isnt the tutorial enough?17:15
unique311not really17:16
unique311i suck at code17:16
s-ndh-cor maybe have a look at some ports that have been changed to use hildon widgets where possible,maybe you get a better idea of howto do it then17:16
unique311k, fair enough17:16
Takdid you look at the porting guide?17:17
s-ndh-cporting guide sounds good17:17
initah Pupnik17:18
initbut how i can connect nokia with usb17:18
initi plug in but nothing happens17:18
unique311i did.17:18
initthe "usb connected" icon on the mobile and the desktop17:18
initbut nothing more17:18
Takno help?17:19
initwhere Tak?17:19
Takinit: sorry, that was directed at unique31117:19
TakI don't think the porting guide mentions usb networking ;-)17:19
initah k17:19
s-ndh-cinit: you need to load some module first i think, there is a guide somewhere on the maemo wiki17:19
initwhere i can find that?17:20
initfor what i have to search?17:20
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Pupnikmodule?  no  you just mount the nokia as a hard drive17:20
Pupnik/dev/sda1 usually17:20
s-ndh-ci thought he/she is talking about usb networking17:20
unique311Tak i did look at the guide17:20
Pupnikinit, you transfer data to it like a usb flash disk17:21
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s-ndh-cinit: do like Pupnik  said and just download the debs and copy over to the mmc and then choose install from file in the applicatin installer thingy17:21
initand what i have to copy there?17:22
s-ndh-cthe package you want to install?17:22
Pupnikpackage = softwarepaket17:23
inityes i know17:23
initnormaly i can download packages over wlan17:24
initbut atm i got no connection17:24
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Pupnikat my workplace, the wlan is terrible in some rooms.  europe limits the accesspoint strength to 1/10th the power they should have17:24
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initcrazy cause indicator is really good17:25
Tak|workheh, my fiancee can't even connect to her wlan, because they force everyone to use wep+peap17:26
Pupnikyes you should try with another ap.  it is possible but unlikely that your 770 has a defect17:26
inithmm crazy17:27
initat home it was working last night17:27
initbut this morning it was terrible17:27
glassit could be picky about channel or ap..17:27
glasswii's are pretty picky about channels17:27
initwhat'r wii's?17:28
glassnintendos console17:28
glassjust as an example of devices that are picky about what channel the wifi ap is set to17:28
initill try with another channel17:29
initlet's see17:29
initso finished work17:30
initcya guys17:30
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maddlerany good clue for a merlin u530 HDSPA PCMCIA card? :)17:31
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unique311danm, reading is some good stuff..17:43
unique311i just read the monkey bubble hildonize tutorial, and have a better understanding..loll17:43
unique311but it is a game....nothing like gimp....hehe. with my lack of knowledge on things i figure hildonizing gimp will take my lifetime.17:45
Tak|workit might be helpful to look at how they did gaim17:46
Tak|workit has a similar multiwindow setup17:47
Pupnikthe zaurus port has the tools integrated into the main window, from what i could see in the video17:47
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unique311it does17:49
unique311getting fullscreen is nice..17:49
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unique311would like at least open, new, save, save as, exit in the statusbar/titlebar17:51
unique311alot of the windows need scrolling...preference windows especially17:52
unique311tools being intergrated in the main windows is cool, though..17:52
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unique311lots of coffee and lots of reading..17:54
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Tak|worksvn: Berkeley DB error while opening environment for filesystem /var/svn/maemo/db:17:59
Tak|workDB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery17:59
Tak|worksvn: bdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery17:59
inzsvnadmin recover?18:00
inzIf I got a penny each time my svn db died...18:01
inz...I'd have 5 pennies18:01
Tak|worksvnadmin recover /var/svn/maemo/db18:01
Tak|worksvn: Can't open file '/var/svn/maemo/db/format': No such file or directory18:01
Tak|worktried that and /var/svn too18:02
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inzIt should work with /var/svn/maemo...18:02
Tak|workls /var/svn18:02
Tak|workls: /var/svn: No such file or directory18:02
inzthat would explain why it's not working ;)18:02
Tak|workI've used svn here before, dammit!18:03
* Tak|work kicks sb18:03
Tak|workoh, hah - is this a server-side error?18:04
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bill20r3how do I re-map my goofy bt keyboard keys?18:14
bill20r3it works,(kind of), but the keys inputted are wrong.18:15
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Pupnikduno possibly keywords HID and profile would help18:17
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maddleruse a black marker? :)18:19
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maddlerand then redraw the right char...18:19
nelsonbill20r3: what keyboard are you using?18:20
bill20r3freedominput mini-duo18:20
bill20r3I got it to input with kbdd, but a =q and so on.18:20
nelsonLooks like it's not an HID keyboard.18:21
maddlerI'd agree...18:21
nelsonHmmm...  No, it says that it does.18:21
maddlerbut "Dual standard keyboard of 63 keys giving option of both HID and SPP profiles"18:22
nelsonHave you tried using the standard BT keyboard support?18:22
nelsonkbdd is for SPP-only keyboards.18:22
glassdoing your own keymap should be possible..18:23
nelsonbut shouldn't be necessary if he goes through HID.18:24
bill20r3yeah, I have to use SPP mode, because apparently this isn't entirely HID compliant18:24
bill20r3it supports both modes.18:24
bill20r3 /usr/share/keymaps, right?18:25
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Tak|workhmm - if I call osso_display_blanking_pause() while the display is blanked, does it unblank it?18:42
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PupnikDunno, but if your app calls it every 10 seconds, you hardly have to worry about that.18:54
Tak|workheh, if it did, I wouldn't care18:55
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sylvanthishello, i have a nokia N800, and i have the default sources.list, are there more repositories available for more packages?19:11
`0660there's a few listed in -> wiki19:12
Tak|workplenty at as well19:12
sylvanthisahh thnx19:12
Tak|workthe one-click installs will add their repositories19:12
sylvanthisbecause i also tried installing vim but it was missing some libs that were not available :S19:12
Pupnikthe correct answer was "yes"19:12
sylvanthisi hope it will be then19:12
sylvanthis:P i'd prefer this anwer though :)19:13
sylvanthiswow nice pretty much repo's :D19:14
sylvanthisdebian rocks19:16
Pupnikunique311: btw it might be a good idea to look over the maemo 2.2 intro to be sure you don't do anything maemo-3.0 specific to gimp - otherwise you'll lock out the 770 users19:18
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sylvanthisi have another question: how can i become root? because i don't know the password, and i tried the lock code but i don't think it worked19:23
sylvanthis(after su - )19:24
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Pupnik install the "becomeroot" package and then type in an xterm, "sudo gainroot"19:25
Tak|workwith n800, you need to install ssh and ssh root@localhost19:25
sylvanthisreally? so i need to access my loopback with ssh19:26
sylvanthisthnx though :D19:26
Tak|workafaik that's the "easy" way19:26
sylvanthiswhat's the hard one? the becomeroot?19:27
Tak|workI never got becomeroot to work on n80019:27
sylvanthisoh xD19:27
sylvanthisi don't have wireless internet in my home :(, and no neighbors who got is :|, so i have to do everything in school, so i ll memorise and try it there19:28
sylvanthisi really like the linux device over the windows mobile crap, i can install many apps :)19:28
sylvanthisehh i've just written my sources.list, but i can't save it (i wasn't root and i can't install the packages at the moment) but i can't open another xterm, so does anyone know what directory i could write the file to to save it for later?19:35
sylvanthisthe :! doesn't work in vi19:35
bill20r3osso-xterm has tabs..19:40
zuhOr use /tmp19:40
bill20r3:w /home/user/apt-source.oops19:40
sylvanthisahh thnx19:41
sylvanthishow can i open tabs??19:41
sylvanthis*user* of course xD19:41
bill20r3does gainroot work on the N800?19:41
bill20r3under file->new19:42
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sylvanthisohh nice19:42
sylvanthistabs :D19:42
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sylvanthisbut how can you press install on a downloaded thing and then your nokia fetches the package and installs it, without ssh or becomeroot package? it needs to be root for that right?19:48
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Jaffasylvanthis: the system has an /etc/sudoers which allows the application manager to install stuff19:50
sylvanthisso you change from the user 'user' to something like user 'system' and then it becomes root?19:51
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Pupnikthere is a real root user19:52
Pupnikoh you're asking about app manager . nm19:53
sylvanthisyes but if you re initially logged in as user19:53
Pupniki just assumed app manager program was suid19:53
sylvanthisso can't we from a shell change to the user that can become root?19:53
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Pupniki can't talk about the internals, i just read the howto and sudo gainroot19:54
sylvanthishmm i guess you're right with suid19:54
Pupnikusually i do my root stuff from ssh anyway19:55
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ptmanat least on my N800 /etc/sudoers contains a lot of commands that the user "user" (the one most software runs as) can run as root19:55
ptmanone is /usr/libexec/apt-worker19:55
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sylvanthisis xterm listed? :P19:56
sylvanthisor bash?19:56
ptmanno, that would completely negate the whole benefit of sudo19:57
sylvanthisye that's true19:57
ptmanah, one is /usr/bin/app-installer-tool19:58
sylvanthiswhich holds the answer to the question :D19:58
ptmanbut it doesn't exist19:58
sylvanthisthe binairy?19:58
ptmanthere is osso-applicaiton-installer, but it is only a symlink to maemo-invoker19:59
ptmanso the magic probably happens in maemo-invoker19:59
sylvanthisthen that particular line is pretty useless isn't it20:00
bill20r3ok, my wierdo keyboard works.20:00
bill20r3there was a patched version of kbdd20:00
timelessmaemo-invoker is just an evil shell that dlopens things20:02
timelessit's not related to any particular app20:02
bill20r3is there a way to pop messages on to the screen from a shell script?20:02
bill20r3like the 'please wait' stuff.20:03
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bill20r3I suspect dbus, but I dont know the syntax20:04
timelessalmost everything in maemo is built around dbus20:04
timelessthe loading notes you see on the screen are not hosted by the app that asks for them20:04
bill20r3anyone know a working command line, off hand?20:04
bill20r3I just want a little status message, from a sh script20:05
* bill20r3 googles.20:06
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unique311ok, i've come to realize that me, gimp, and hildon will not be happening.20:24
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sylvanthishow can i get the camera out of the nokia?20:25
sylvanthisso i can take a picture?20:25
unique311dismantle it20:25
Tak|workheh, push on it20:26
unique311push it20:26
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unique311you think the nokia people would gladly do the hildonizing of gimp if i submit the working src?20:26
sylvanthisohh lol :P20:26
timelessi don't think nokia people could comment on such a thing20:27
unique311update the firmware so you can have the camera app...20:27
timelessbut if you wanted to start somewhere, start w/ GimpShop20:28
timelessit's a lot less un maemo20:28
timelessthan thegimp20:28
unique311so maemo would have to hildon it.20:28
sylvanthisis there a gimp package for the n800??20:28
sylvanthisi have camera app :)20:28
unique311well the maemo people..which is the general public devs20:28
sylvanthisinstalled it at school :D20:29
bedboiit's the second time that the nokia ac adapter breaks20:30
bedboithey are definitely shitty20:30
bedboito use an euphemism20:30
timelesshow do you break an ac adapter?20:30
bedboithe fucking wire is too thin20:30
bedboiapparently it is ok20:30
bedboibut it doesn't work20:30
bedboiit's the second time that it happens20:31
bedboiand a friend of mine had the same problem20:31
timeless(to be fair, i've bent the plug that goes into the n800, but it still works)20:31
bedboiso it's not me20:31
unique311so timeless i need to get in touch with the people at maemo to get gimp hildon20:32
sylvanthishaven't had problems so far, but it indeed looks pretty fragile20:32
bedboiwell, fragile20:32
bedboiit's unstable20:33
bedboii can break it just by watching it20:33
timelessthere's a howto somewhere on, but practically speaking, there's no one at nokia to talk to20:33
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timelessall the people at nokia are very busy w/ whatever they think is important20:33
* Tak|work hasn't broken either of his ac adapters20:33
unique311gimp is not20:33
timelessif you are having trouble hildonizing, you should be able to get help here20:33
bedboiTak|work: probably you don't bring it in a bag20:33
bedboiwith other stuff20:34
Tak|workmy fiancee carries hers around in a bag nonstop20:34
bedboiTak|work: btw, other ac adapters from nokia works greatly20:34
Tak|workwith books, pens, other generic school paraphernalia20:34
bedboilike the 6630 one20:34
timelesshrm, i have definitely travelled w/ ac adapters for 770/n80020:34
timelessthe only one i broke was at home, and i think it was plugged in and then probably stepped on or yanked off the bed or something similarly nasty20:34
unique311i think internet tablet/graphics tool, would bring lots of buyers to this little device...20:34
bedboiTak|work: well it must be some curse around me, because my friend has broken his adapter too20:35
unique311its having a cintiq with you wherever you go...20:35
timelessunique311: believe me, i'm not disagreeing20:35
unique311timeless we are buddies as of agreed with me..20:35
timelessanyway, start by getting gimpshop running20:35
bedboiTak|work: btw, imho they are not well designed20:35
bedboii never saw a wire that thin20:35
timelesshildonizing will be a secondary thing20:35
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unique311i'm motivated now..20:36
timelesspractically speaking, if you can get a deb(src) w/ gimpshop available and findable on the web, you'll make life easier for someone, whether it's another person here, or elsewhere20:36
bedboiTak|work: i don't think there's any good reason for such a thin cable20:36
timelessthe thin cable helps you distinguish it from the older nokia phone cable :)20:37
bedboiTak|work: i will try to get an adapter to use the 6630 ac with n800/n70020:37
timeless(and no, i have no opinion about whether that's a good idea)20:37
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bedboitimeless: i don't have any 6630 adapter handy but i don't remember voltage/current diffs20:38
bedboisome new nokia phones come with this crappy ac and a little adapter to use the old ac adapters20:38
bedboithis stuff make me nervous20:39
timelessi've heard people say that the original 770s had such adapters20:39
bedboimy n770 came with the crappy ones20:40
Pupnikwow somebody finally made a gimpshop20:57
Pupniki was bleating about that a lot back when i transitioned to gimp20:57
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unique311timeless you said a deb / src gimpshop20:58
unique311ok i found the gimpshop src20:58
unique311also found the deb package use with gimpshop pro...20:59
unique311did i make someones life easy20:59
Pupnikgimpshop not in deb source repo20:59
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Pupniknice, it can run photoshop plugins21:01
timelessall i know is that when i looked i couldn't find a deb/src of it. and nokia seems to like using deb-src as a starting point21:03
timelessdoes it build and run?21:04
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* timeless sighs21:05
* timeless hates apt21:05
Pupnikcould have nasty dependencies21:05
timelessi ask apt to give me the source for a single package, it merily complies21:05
Pupnikyeah so?21:06
timelessi ask it for the source for a bunch of packages including that single package21:06
timelessand it complains that it can't find the source for that single package21:06
timelessit looks like it will happily do things one at a time though, so i can just do: cut '-d ' -f1 magic.list|xargs -n1 apt-get source --only-source21:08
Pupnikhmm, i've been just grabbing required dependencies manually21:16
Pupnikgimpshop complains about missing xml perl module, but it's installed21:17
Pupnikjust comemnted out that test21:17
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Pupnikhow much space do you have free on root fs on a n800, when you buy it?21:25
Pupnikthere's a ton of stuff you don't *really* need with gimpshop21:25
mgedminabout half, iirc21:26
mgedmin~128 megs21:26
sylvanthisnah more, more like 200 mb21:27
sylvanthisbecause the chip that contains the root filesystem also has mb free21:27
Pupniktimeless, btw the zaurus version of the gimp that unique311 compiled has all commands merged into one window - none of that three-window stuff21:28
sylvanthissorry i wasn't reading carefully beg my pardon21:28
timelessfwiw, i've never actually used gimpshop. i've only read that it exists. and i spent a few mins deciding that it makes a lot more sense than just about anything else21:29
timelessthere are "simpler" things out there that have *many* more dependencies than gimp(shop)21:29
timelessand gimp's ui is really not suited (imo) to the device21:29
timelessthat's about my entire thought process (oh, and then there was the, "darn -can't find a debsrc")21:30
Pupnikok gimpshop took up 20MB after make install21:32
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timelesstolerable, probably better to aim for 5m w/ other things split into installables21:32
keesjdoes the "nokia internet call" perform nat traversal?21:36
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timelessi hope so21:37
keesj"she" is getting "cannot connect to server" trying to connect again21:37
timelesswould "stun" be a sufficient answer?21:37
timelessaccounts help says: When enabled, Simple Traversal Underneath Network Address Translators (NAT) (STUN) is detected automatically. This setting is enabled by default.21:39
unique311Pupnik gimpshop compile..21:40
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unique311gimp compile at 41MB21:41
unique311need to cut that number in half somehow someway21:41
unique311docs don't need em21:41
keesjunique311: did you ever try mtpaint ?21:41
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keesjat least is looks like it is a single window application21:42
unique311but gimps floating windows is not issue at all..21:43
unique311mtpaint could do.21:43
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unique311not the best video21:44
Pupnikyeah unique311 ^^ the install was 20MB here too21:45
Pupnikgoing to see what the execs and libs take up, vs the rest of the files now21:45
Pupnikthose will go onto root, the rest onto mmc21:46
keesjunique311: did you use a n800 to created that video or what?21:46
Pupnikwhat options did you use for configure unique311 ?21:47
keesjI had to stip the file manualy when not using .deb files21:47
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Pupnikwtf is gimp doing with alsa... :|21:49
timelesspupnik: is this gimp and gimpshop, or just gimp?21:50
unique311i didn't use a n800 to make the video21:50
unique311i used my ppc670021:50
timelessfrom memory it was an optional dependency21:50
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Pupniktimeless: gimpshop21:50
unique311pupnik has gimpshop21:51
unique311i have gimp compiled21:51
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unique311u said gimpshop and gimp and we would make someone happy..21:51
Pupnikzaurus gimp here was somewhere around 50MB so i never installed the build21:51
unique311whose that someone timeless?21:51
unique311you have to use --disable-print flag21:52
timelesssorry can't answer that. for now just make it appear in useful places like blogs21:53
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timelessand maybe try and get gimpshop into debian or ubuntu? since at least i couldn't find it there?21:53
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* timeless frowns21:55
unique311try those options Pupnik21:55
Pupniksomebody made a ubuntu version21:55
Pupnikyeah unique311 i disabled print flag also21:55
sylvanthisthnx 4 the help, i gtg bb :)21:57
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Tak|workxephyr + scratchbox + ssh forwarding = teh slow21:58
timelesstak: slower than the device?22:00
* timeless sighs22:00
timelesssomeone here want to explain how debian repositories and sources.list work together?22:00
Tak|workit doesn't take the device 30s to do a screen update22:01
Tak|workeven the n800 ;-)22:01
* timeless sighs22:01
timelessthis sucks22:01
Tak|worktimeless: what do you mean, specifically?22:01
timelessthese two groups can't agree on directory names22:01
timelesstak: give me a bit, i might have solved my problem22:02
Tak|workok, cool22:02
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timelessok, got it working22:05
* timeless sighs22:05
timelessi hate that these things aren't consistent22:05
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thoughtfixWhatcha gonna do with all that junk? All that junk inside your trunk?22:13
Tak|workreplace it with beer22:15
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_m0someone around with a freedom mini keyboard connected via bluetooth to a n800 device? i have problems reconnecting the keyboard.22:21
unique311Pupnik you want me to compile with new flags?22:24
Pupniklocalepurge might be a nice way to free up a couple of megs22:24
nelson_m0: are you using HID or SPP?22:24
_m0so far i am trying to use HID22:25
_m0nelson: for SPP i need kbdd from, am i right?22:27
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* timeless sighs22:30
timelessclearly i don't use this app very often22:30
timelessi just noticed the title of the dialog22:30
timelessoh man22:31
* timeless so wants to kick someone22:31
nelson_m0: yes, SPP requires kbddd ... or something similar.22:32
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nelson_m0: but it also requires that kbdd support the keyboard's mapping of serial codes into keycodes.22:33
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unique311_Pupnik  ./configure --prefix=/home/user/MyDocs/gimp --disable-print --without-gtkhtml2 --exec=prefix=/usr/local/ --with-html-dir=/dev/null22:37
unique311_that should do22:37
Pupnikno that'll put everything onto your root fs, i want the non-executeable stuff on the mmc22:39
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olafuraIs there any is_IS.vkb22:41
timelesswhat would that be?22:42
olafuraThe keyboard layout for icelandic22:42
timelessicelandic is a language?22:42
olafuraIt's spoken in Iceland22:43
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olafuraI don't have the maemo development environment installed but the language code is suppost to be supported it would be under /usr/share/keyboards22:46
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tigerttimeless: the world is not consistent :)22:58
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Smilezquick question. Has anyone used MaemoMapper with the GPS (bluetooth) device to navigate to specific locations? Not just track your movement?23:07
SmilezSo I can punch in an address, and it will give me a route?23:09
derfNo, I looked for it on the map.23:09
derfBut it _does_ have an interface to a free route planner.23:09
Smilezwithin mmapper?23:09
derfIt just didn't do me much good, as I was in Japan.23:09
Smilezmind guiding me? I wanna try it out before getting the GPS23:10
Smilezhehe good point23:10
derfI don't have my device with me.23:10
Smilezerr oh23:10
derfIt's in one of the menus.23:10
derfProbably under "Route" or somesuch.23:10
SmilezThis is what i have under "Route>" :  "Open, Download, Save, Show distance to next waypoint, show distance to end route, reset, and clear23:11
derfThen maybe not.23:11
Smilezi basically want, Tom Tom functionality out of this thing, if I'm going to buy the GPS unit23:11
derf"Maemo Mapper supports opening and saving of standard GPS Exchange (GPX) files. You can open or save tracks (where you've been) or routes (where you would like to go). With this functionality, it is possible to download a route from the internet (e.g. from the GPX Driving Directions web service) and display the route on the map."23:12
derfI thought there was a menu item that did that for you. I might have been hallucinating, though.23:12
Smilezyou ate one of those weird mushrooms in japan huh :D23:13
derfOh, no, that's the next paragraph.23:13
Smilezthat would be a nice project though. to be able to punch in directions and what not... or even download routes from google maps or something23:13
derfJust go read the homepage.23:13
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Smilezthanks for the link.... i suppose the same holds tru for my N800 right?23:14
derf"You can even specify that Maemo Mapper automatically update the route based on your current position, giving you the full power of a $2000 in-car navigation system in the palm of your hand. Of course, an internet connection is required during the trip."23:14
Smilezwhich my cell phone can do23:15
derfDon't you love living in the future?23:16
Smilezhaha... how so?23:16
Smilez"The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed, would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper, the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."23:16
Smilezthat future? :D23:16
derfThat's _so_ the past now.23:17
derfWelcome to the 21st century, my friend.23:17
derfWe left 1984 a long time ago.23:17
Smilezi know... but some truths still hold true23:17
Smilezit'd be nice if we had nationwide wifi already23:17
Smilezintels only selling it to third world countries23:18
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Smilezderf: <-- its giving me some errors regarding cookies.. can you verify it works if possible?23:19
Pupnikwe should have 255 802.11 channels, and everybody should be free to run a 5 Watt access point23:19
Smilezthat'd be nice23:19
Pupniktnough most portable devices obviously wouldn't be able to transmit that much power to the access point23:23
Smilezif plugged into a car they could23:23
Pupnikyeah, also, there could be an aysmmetric wlan standard, with low sending power and speed for the clients, high sending power and speed for the access point23:24
Pupnikthat way the AP reciever could be much more sensitive and range increased23:25
Smilezyeah. unfortunately the FCC hates us... but good thing people in Mexico will have country wide wifi as soon as they can afford it right23:25
Pupnikwhat does 'country wide wifi' really mean?23:26
Smilezintel recently tested a wifi technology that went from san francisco to the souther most part of california23:26
Smilezsimilar to wimax23:26
Smilezbut they wont be able to sell it stateside because it would knock out all the telecom companies23:26
Smilezanyhow... has anyone been able to use any form of GPX driving directions? I can't find a source for these things23:29
dragornthe maemo mapper downloader worked fine for me the last time I tried23:29
Smilezto download routes or maps?23:30
Smilezlemme give it a try23:30
dragornit also worked fine for maps, but since you asked about gpx23:30
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Smilezwell look at that23:32
Smilezthanks dragorn23:32
Smilezi installed the Flite library, will this thing tell me what to do next, and what not?23:33
||cwthat's the idea23:34
Smilezok, so i downloaded the route (thanks dragorn) now how does it know which waypoint im at, when i click on "next waypoint" it just takes me to the end23:35
thoughtfixOkay so -  <-- Go ahead. Laugh at me.23:35
Smilezhehe... nice23:36
thoughtfix... EVERYONE is DOING IT! ;)23:36
Smilez||cw, flite works for you?23:36
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Smilezwhen i click on "next waypoint" it jumps to the destination23:38
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Smilezdoes the flight library only work with the GPS module?23:49
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