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| dieguito | oh wait ill use a key | 02:35 |
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| b0unc3 | dieguito: the default password for root is 'rootme', for user I don't know | 02:44 |
| dieguito | thanks | 02:45 |
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| Bighugo | Hi | 08:09 |
| Bighugo | I want to get minimo for N800 | 08:09 |
| Bighugo | but the link is unavailable | 08:10 |
| Bighugo | who can help me? | 08:10 |
| Bighugo | If you have a minimo copy, please send me | 08:10 |
| Bighugo | or you can tell me the link to download | 08:11 |
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| Bighugo | hi | 08:16 |
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| Bighugo | anybody can send me a Minimo copy? | 08:53 |
| mikemorrison | Bighugo: did you try the one available from here: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/ ? | 08:59 |
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| Bighugo | mike | 09:01 |
| Bighugo | i tried this | 09:01 |
| Bighugo | but the link is not avaiable any more | 09:01 |
| Bighugo | i mean the link http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo | 09:01 |
| Bighugo | do you have the copy? | 09:03 |
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| mikemorrison | no, sorry i don't | 09:10 |
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| Bighugo | thank you anyway | 09:12 |
| mikemorrison | maybe you can send that fellow an email and ask him what happened to his minimo repository. | 09:14 |
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| Milhouse | Maybe ask him to use garage than his flakey server which continually goes offline and buggers up app manager :) | 09:23 |
| Tak | too much to ask ;-) | 09:24 |
| Bighugo | thanks | 09:25 |
| Bighugo | i will | 09:25 |
| Bighugo | i found the server is fine, but the directory can't access | 09:25 |
| Bighugo | home.ufam.edu.br is okay | 09:26 |
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| keesj | puppy uses mtPaint perhaps that is also nice for maemo? http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/ | 10:06 |
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| fdsd | hey guys, is maemo being used on the new intel handheld pcs? | 10:25 |
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| Pupnik | yes but it looks like they're rebranding it | 10:31 |
| zuh | I don't think it | 10:32 |
| zuh | 's what can be called "maemo" | 10:32 |
| zuh | But parts of it for sure, they specifically mention hildon there | 10:32 |
| fdsd | ah | 10:32 |
| fdsd | how is the n800? do you guys like it? should I sell my 770 for a n800? | 10:33 |
| Okko | fdsd: I've used 770 for a couple of days and then bought N800, so my impression is limited. 770 is more rugged and slower. | 10:34 |
| fdsd | I love the screen cover of the 770 | 10:35 |
| fdsd | I wish It was on the n800 | 10:35 |
| Okko | N800 is a bit more expensive, faster and won't probably take as many hits if it's in your pocket and you treat your pocket badly. That's my impression. :) | 10:35 |
| zuh | Well, unless you are a hacker type I guess N800 would be better since you won't be getting new official software for 770 | 10:35 |
| fdsd | figured | 10:35 |
| fdsd | I feel like I should be getting the n800 at a discount since I invested so much into my 770.. oh well | 10:35 |
| Okko | I haven't found any actual use for the camera of N800 since no one I would like to call has the device. Price of being an early adopter I guess. | 10:36 |
| Okko | In Finland the choice when buying a new one is easy since there's a discount for N800 @349 euros | 10:37 |
| Pupnik | for me the memory and speed are quite tempting but it's not enough to make me sell my 770 | 10:37 |
| Pupnik | in fact i'll probably never sell it :) | 10:38 |
| Pupnik | in 30 years i'll pull it out and say "see, this* was the first tablet that got it right" | 10:39 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 10:40 |
| Pupnik | more form factor options would really be nice. imagine something like the psion netbook at a 400-500 dollar pricepoint | 10:41 |
| sxpert | Pupnik, heh, same here | 10:43 |
| sxpert | Pupnik, unfortunately by then, it will ben almost impossible to find a replacement battery :D | 10:43 |
| Pupnik | i just saw batteries on ebay for 15 euro (!) seems pretty sweet | 10:44 |
| sxpert | would those explode ? | 10:44 |
| Pupnik | here's a 1300mah one for 10 dollars | 10:46 |
| Pupnik | http://www.all-batteries-shop.com/battery-pack.php/1514-11-nokia-battery | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
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| Jaffa | Pupnik: yeah, I'd love a netBook or Series 5mx-style Maemo device. | 10:50 |
| bergie | Series 5 was a bit big, but the keyboard made it a very useful device | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | bergie: true, I keep forgetting the 770's about the same size as a Revo. | 10:54 |
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| Pupnik | The porter of "No Gravity" seems to have not released his source | 10:58 |
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| Pupnik | i suspect a violation of the GPL | 10:59 |
| part | Pupnik: there's a lot of that going around | 11:00 |
| fdsd | what do you guys think of the iPhone? | 11:01 |
| timeless | /garage/nogravity% svn up | 11:01 |
| timeless | At revision 0. | 11:01 |
| glass | contact him and ask | 11:01 |
| fdsd | or what we have seen of the iphone:) | 11:01 |
| timeless | at least there's a repository, that's a start, right? :) | 11:01 |
| Pupnik | I've emailed Sergio | 11:01 |
| glass | fdsd: that it's 3rd party app support is zero besides widgets making it crap and non-intresting for me | 11:01 |
| Pupnik | svn checkout returns nothing here | 11:01 |
| Jaffa | fdsd: pretty, nice UI, well-thought through; locked down, not-hackable, expensive, *very* expensive | 11:01 |
| timeless | very expensive? | 11:01 |
| glass | it's expensive | 11:01 |
| timeless | it's 100$ more than an n800 | 11:01 |
| glass | 450+2 year contract | 11:01 |
| timeless | i don't see how that's very expensive | 11:02 |
| fdsd | glass, thats right now, wwdc is around release time, and im sure they will have a xcode for iphone | 11:02 |
| fdsd | expensive? | 11:02 |
| glass | timeless: unsubsidized guess price for it 700-1000$ | 11:02 |
| fdsd | cocoa developers would love to program amazing apps for it | 11:02 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Â$450 for a phone (or $600 fo the larger price) on a subsidized *2* year contract is very expensive. | 11:02 |
| glass | it's 450 just with a 2 year contract, remember that. | 11:02 |
| timeless | *shrug*, i've paid 300$ for phones w/ two year subscriptions | 11:03 |
| timeless | and they didn't have touch screen | 11:03 |
| * Jaffa 's next phone (probably a SE W850i) will cost about -200ukp on a 1 year contract of 35ukp per month. | 11:03 | |
| fdsd | its $499 and $599 4gb and 8gb thats with a contract, apple never said anything about any other prices | 11:03 |
| Pupnik | based on the contract markups you see with other high end phones, glass is right | 11:04 |
| timeless | jaffa: w950i, no? | 11:04 |
| fdsd | apple wont sell it without the contract.. | 11:04 |
| Pupnik | *markdowns, whatever | 11:04 |
| Okko | fdsd: I think apple will sell it without the contract in europe | 11:04 |
| Pupnik | so the device itself is expensive in comparison | 11:04 |
| glass | okko: eventually they'd have to | 11:05 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Err, well it's the W850i in the UK. http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_w850-1563.php | 11:05 |
| fdsd | Okko, maybe | 11:05 |
| fdsd | I just want the iphone to replace my nokia 770 | 11:05 |
| fdsd | it has everything I want.. | 11:05 |
| Jaffa | Okko: in the UK at least, the market for SIM-free phones is very small indeed, as people expect them "free" with their contracts. | 11:06 |
| fdsd | give me a terminal on it and Im happy | 11:06 |
| fdsd | appletv has been hacked to death, im sure the iphone will be too | 11:06 |
| timeless | oh | 11:06 |
| timeless | so, 850i is different from 950i, interesting | 11:07 |
| timeless | the 950i is nice, | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | How many mobile phones have been hacked in the past? I could probably count them on one hand: regulatory and wider-impact concerns generally mean phones are *very* locked down. | 11:07 |
| fdsd | can you imagine the screen quality and sensitivity that is going to be on the iphone.. | 11:07 |
| fdsd | droll | 11:08 |
| fdsd | Jaffa, this will be the biggest phone on the planet to hack.. | 11:08 |
| fdsd | so much spotlight is on it | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | timeless: It's a bit wide (although the 850's a bit thick) | 11:08 |
| timeless | which is a bit wide? | 11:08 |
| fdsd | im sure they will get cocoa apps running on it within the first month | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | fdsd: maybe, but it could end up like the PSP - a never ending chase of firmwares to hack | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | timeless: the 950 | 11:09 |
| timeless | the 950 wasn't, not compared to the last ericsson i had in the states | 11:09 |
| fdsd | Jaffa, maybe, but apple has never locked people out in the past.. | 11:09 |
| timeless | fdsd: how much hacking can you do to an ipod? | 11:09 |
| fdsd | timeless, run linux on it | 11:09 |
| glass | to ipod quite much | 11:09 |
| glass | however | 11:09 |
| Jaffa | fdsd: iTunes' DRM would be a similar example of an arms race | 11:09 |
| glass | iphone will be locked down | 11:10 |
| fdsd | it will be, but hackers will get past it | 11:10 |
| glass | they don't even mention having j2me support | 11:10 |
| * zuh finds his favourite quote of iphone | 11:10 | |
| zuh | "Browsing, email, music, video, phone calls, on one device, all will almost certainly work nearly flawlessly" | 11:10 |
| fdsd | if you can update the software via wifi then you can hack it | 11:10 |
| glass | fdsd: not necessarely | 11:11 |
| timeless | you think hacking TLS is easy? | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | fdsd: from a CS/engineering point of view that's not true. | 11:11 |
| fdsd | it will be hacked | 11:11 |
| timeless | if the PKI stuff is done right, sure you can probably hack it in 10 years | 11:11 |
| glass | has nokias home-flashing proggie been hacked(for symbians)? | 11:11 |
| fdsd | zuh, it is the first phone i know that will do that flawlessly.. | 11:11 |
| zuh | Almost certainly! :) | 11:12 |
| glass | and iphone isn't even in shops yet. has the fcc certification started even yet? | 11:12 |
| fdsd | it has | 11:12 |
| * timeless thought the point of the announcement was that they were about to start for fcc cert | 11:12 | |
| timeless | and therefore couldn't keep it a secret any longer | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | Browsing will be nice and slow though, without 3G (no EDGE much in the UK) - hence going for a 3G phone for my N800 :) | 11:12 |
| glass | anyways, it's boring from operator point of view(lack of possibility of selling content due to not having j2me etc etc) | 11:13 |
| timeless | glass: video voice mail :) | 11:13 |
| Jaffa | Still, I look forward to a possible UK launch so I can have a play with the *very* slick (from the demos) UI | 11:13 |
| glass | timeless: yeah you can choose in which order you listen voice mails.. | 11:13 |
| glass | yippee | 11:13 |
| Pupnik | is there any qualified speculation about nokia putting maemo on a phone? | 11:14 |
| glass | not really | 11:15 |
| glass | and anyone who would be really qualified would be nda'd | 11:15 |
| glass | i'm pretty sure they got something going on in that regard | 11:15 |
| glass | but r&d for r&d is just that | 11:15 |
| Pupnik | from a pro-maemo perspective this would be a huge boost to number of maemo users | 11:15 |
| Pupnik | the 770 and 800 do not have much of a point-of-sale presence in german phone shops at least | 11:16 |
| glass | yes.. but it's not ready for mainstream consumer devices imho.. | 11:16 |
| glass | well nokias view is that they only market it really in the states | 11:16 |
| Pupnik | that makes some sense, as germans are comparatively gadget shy | 11:17 |
| glass | and it's quite experimental as far as nokia goes | 11:17 |
| Pupnik | but all the kids who see the 770 are wowed | 11:17 |
| glass | in childrens shoes | 11:18 |
| Pupnik | well *kids* is under 20 for me :) | 11:18 |
| glass | for to put it in phone maemo would need to be much stabler imho - in the regard that you could release apps OTA for it without too much hassle | 11:18 |
| glass | like, if they were to replace symbian in large scale with it | 11:19 |
| Pupnik | i see what you mean | 11:19 |
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| Okko | glass: stabler? Can't you currently just give out a .deb for the users? | 11:27 |
| Okko | I don't see that very much harder than a signed .sisx for symbian users | 11:27 |
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| glass | okko: platform shouldn't change as fast | 11:28 |
| Okko | glass: In an opinional level I agree. But Symbian changes as fast. | 11:28 |
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| Okko | Series 60 v3 broke compatibility | 11:29 |
| glass | not as fast | 11:29 |
| Okko | To Nokia it's just a matter of having a set of software when the device is sold. | 11:29 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:29 |
| glass | the devices, not the device | 11:29 |
| glass | in large scale | 11:29 |
| Okko | a single model of a device | 11:29 |
| glass | and definetely not updating the platform after it's in millions of phones | 11:30 |
| Okko | they can always come out another device with another set of software | 11:30 |
| Okko | They don't currently update existing Series 40 or Series 60 phones to a more recent version of the OS | 11:30 |
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| Okko | They just let it be. | 11:30 |
| glass | if they did it would be a mess selling software for them | 11:30 |
| Okko | it is a mess. and still companies do it. | 11:30 |
| Okko | Check out http://forum.nokia.com/devices/matrix_all_1.html, they have listed the "Developer Platforms" there | 11:31 |
| glass | besides symbian isn't done properly so | 11:31 |
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| glass | i know their devices and roadmaps | 11:32 |
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| Okko | I do agree it would be much better if they had a single OS and would upgrade that for all the phones, but at the moment they don't, so Maemo would be just as good as Series 60 in that sense. | 11:32 |
| maddler | morning all... | 11:35 |
| glass | multiple maemo stages on relatively small number of devices wouldn't be that intresting | 11:35 |
| glass | vs s60 being on quite many devices, even of different types, now | 11:35 |
| Okko | not at first, but that's how S60 started as well | 11:36 |
| glass | i would rather not have them replace it with something that isn't ready - and i would rather have them not have more parallel platforms | 11:36 |
| Okko | Sticking in a Phone application and a GSM chip in N800 would result in a better device than what Nokia 7710 was (Symbian Series 90, http://www.dynamoo.com/moobiles/nokia-7710.shtml) | 11:36 |
| glass | yes it would | 11:37 |
| glass | but it would be a marginal device | 11:37 |
| glass | n800 having a hsdpa chip would be nice | 11:37 |
| maddler | but what would happen if a new phone technology arrives? | 11:37 |
| Okko | what would make it a marginal device? | 11:37 |
| glass | and 7710 was a very marginal device | 11:37 |
| glass | price, form factor | 11:38 |
| glass | marginal device among phones | 11:38 |
| Okko | that depends mostly on marketing and price point and stuff like that | 11:38 |
| Okko | technically it would be a working phone | 11:38 |
| maddler | yes. but that's not an Internet Tablet... | 11:40 |
| maddler | I mean... it's another kind of device... | 11:40 |
| maddler | and GSM/GPRS connectivity is actually "old"... and slow... | 11:41 |
| maddler | and UMTS is being replaced by HDSPA... | 11:41 |
| glass | it's an upgrade rather | 11:41 |
| glass | than replacement | 11:41 |
| maddler | so... you would be required to change a (still) good device just because of its phone chip... | 11:42 |
| maddler | upgrade? | 11:42 |
| maddler | well... you simply can't upgrade your phone to get hdspa... | 11:42 |
| glass | at least here they upgraded umts towers to support hsdpa pretty much overnight.. | 11:42 |
| maddler | you need a new one... | 11:42 |
| glass | yeah not the phone | 11:42 |
| maddler | I'm talking from the end-user point of view... | 11:42 |
| maddler | and also... think about the size... | 11:43 |
| maddler | being able to carry only the phone is useful... | 11:43 |
| maddler | it's smaller and you can place it in your pocket... | 11:43 |
| maddler | I wouldn't bring my N800 on the beach... | 11:43 |
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| maddler | nor at the stadium... | 11:44 |
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| fdsd | does rhythmbox work with 2006 and the nokia 770? | 11:47 |
| fdsd | mDNSResponder would be awesome | 11:48 |
| Pupnik | 770 goes with me just about everywhere | 11:51 |
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| fdsd | i take mine where I would feel like my laptop would be a burden | 11:53 |
| fdsd | like trips and such | 11:53 |
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| s-ndh-c | yeah i use it often, most of the time for music playback and sometimes for looking up public transport arival/departure time and such from the internet | 12:05 |
| s-ndh-c | very usefull, and much better than surfing the web with my cellphone | 12:06 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 12:06 |
| maddler | fdsd: yup... same for me... but there are places where I'd avoid to bring it... | 12:06 |
| zulla | http://www.gnome.org/ - "major announcement" - anyone know what they are talking about? | 12:06 |
| fdsd | zulla, intel tablet using gnome | 12:06 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, GUADEC's just up the road. | 12:12 |
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| zuh | zulla: It's a public secret with hints all over. But I'm not telling ;) | 12:20 |
| Pupnik | i'd like gtk2.0 to be leaner, in benchmarks with dillo+1.2 vs 2.0 it was more than twice as fat | 12:21 |
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| zuh | fat in what way? | 12:26 |
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| Pupnik | zuh, size | 12:40 |
| Pupnik | performance was good/better in one instance, worse in most | 12:40 |
| Pupnik | developers should be forced to run everything on a p2 200mhz :) | 12:41 |
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| Pupnik | Tak: wanna try your hand at merging the gp2x optimised fceu into mameo fceu? :) | 12:51 |
| Pupnik | compiles fine with a few changes, but one needs to modify drivers/pc/* to match the older fceu | 12:52 |
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| Pupnik | heh, now possible to r00t an aircrack-ng attacker | 13:32 |
| Sonej^ | Is there any application for the n800 to capture packets? | 13:40 |
| Pupnik | kismet and aircrack/snort | 13:41 |
| Pupnik | you can run kismet, configure voice output, plug in headphones and walk around listening to the names and types of wlans found | 13:42 |
| Sonej^ | Read somthing about kismet that it did not work fully | 13:42 |
| Sonej^ | And aircrack is jsut a cracker, no? | 13:42 |
| Pupnik | yes | 13:43 |
| Sonej^ | Should i install kismet in any special way, so it wont timeout? | 13:44 |
| Pupnik | i just used it on 770 | 13:45 |
| Sonej^ | i see | 13:45 |
| Molagi | is there a kismet for n800? | 13:48 |
| Molagi | only found it for 770 | 13:48 |
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| Pupnik | duno | 13:51 |
| Molagi | couldnt even find a proper download site for it | 13:52 |
| Pupnik | well you know more than i about n800 issues | 13:52 |
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| Molagi | maemo.org is missing install for kismet | 13:54 |
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| Pupnik | kind of a dumb question: is it practical to compile gtk1.2 apps for maemo? | 13:54 |
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| zuh | Gtk 1.2 and 2.0 should live happily side-by-side library-wise, but I don't know it 1.2 has any notion of the input method | 14:04 |
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| Streg | Molagi: add the repository, and download from there. mistral version works with my n800, and the repo _might_ even have a bora version [http://eko.one.pl/maemo/ mistral user] | 14:07 |
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| Molagi | ok | 14:10 |
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| Molagi | hmm | 14:19 |
| Molagi | doesnt seem to work in my n800 | 14:19 |
| Molagi | FATAL: SetFFLAGS: Unkwon interface wlan0: Permission denied | 14:20 |
| Streg | are you logged in as root? | 14:20 |
| Molagi | hmm no | 14:20 |
| Streg | default password for root is rootme | 14:20 |
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| Molagi | how do i log in as a root | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | Molagi: install the "becomeroot" package and then type in an xterm, "sudo gainroot" | 14:22 |
| Molagi | ok | 14:22 |
| Molagi | root shell enabled | 14:23 |
| Molagi | cool | 14:24 |
| Molagi | it works now | 14:24 |
| Molagi | thx | 14:24 |
| Molagi | how do i crack these | 14:24 |
| Molagi | i need aircrack? | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | I believe so, but I've never tried. | 14:26 |
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| Pupnik | i tested it on my home network but i had to copy a couple of movies back and forth before i got enough initialisation vectors | 14:29 |
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| Knirch | last time I checked, you couldn't inject packets with the driver available for the wireless in the 770, no idea if the n800 has other driver or allows it | 14:35 |
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| Molagi | this airodump-ng rausb0 doesnt seem to work | 14:57 |
| Pupnik | what does ifconfig return for the wlan interface? | 15:02 |
| Molagi | is it that wlan0 thing | 15:04 |
| Molagi | lots of stuff | 15:06 |
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| Pupnik | on my device the interface is wlan0 | 15:08 |
| Pupnik | rausb0 is a driver-specific wlan interface name | 15:08 |
| Pupnik | for the ralink usb drivers | 15:08 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:09 |
| Molagi | so should i use the wlan0 instead | 15:10 |
| Pupnik | i think so | 15:10 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:10 |
| Molagi | doesnt work with that either | 15:13 |
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| Molagi | airmon-ng start wlan0 doenst work either | 15:14 |
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| Molagi | 16: Syntax Error: "( unexpected | 15:14 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 15:15 |
| s-ndh-c | you are executing code thats for another arch maybe? | 15:15 |
| Molagi | mayber | 15:16 |
| Molagi | -r | 15:16 |
| Molagi | http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=newbie_guide&DokuWiki=d7f82552c29af9ae7432b3169c20934b | 15:16 |
| Molagi | im trying with that | 15:16 |
| s-ndh-c | just do file foo | 15:18 |
| s-ndh-c | on the binary | 15:18 |
| Pupnik | where foo=filename | 15:19 |
| s-ndh-c | iam pretty sure its compiled for another arch than the one your are executing it with | 15:19 |
| Molagi | permission denied | 15:20 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast i had the exact same error messagen when i accidentaly tried to execute a x86 binary on my tablet | 15:21 |
| Pupnik | hmm i don't have 'file' command on os2006 | 15:22 |
| s-ndh-c | or maybe it was the other way around, executing a arm binary in my x86 xratchbox | 15:22 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe but on your desktop you have | 15:22 |
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| init | hi there | 16:04 |
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| Pupnik_ | gruezi | 16:08 |
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| init | is thiz an english or german channel? | 16:16 |
| Pupnik | 99% english | 16:16 |
| s-ndh-c | init: english | 16:16 |
| init | kk | 16:17 |
| init | since 2 days i got a nokia 770 | 16:17 |
| init | and im installing software etc.. | 16:17 |
| init | but everytime i have to try all software files | 16:17 |
| init | cause i dont know what i really need | 16:17 |
| init | what version i have to take? | 16:17 |
| s-ndh-c | version of what? | 16:18 |
| init | of the software? | 16:19 |
| init | there are so many version | 16:19 |
| init | gregale or mistral, os 2006 or os 2007, maemo 1, 2 or 3 | 16:19 |
| init | only know that i got os2006 | 16:19 |
| Pupnik | correct. gregale and mistral are os2006 'versions' | 16:19 |
| Pupnik | avoid anything that says 'bora' or os 2007 or maemo 3 | 16:19 |
| init | oke | 16:20 |
| init | and maemo2 runns on os2006? | 16:20 |
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| init | and i got everytime trouble with wlan | 16:20 |
| init | is there something like netstumbler aviable | 16:21 |
| Pupnik | kismet | 16:21 |
| s-ndh-c | wlan works well here | 16:21 |
| s-ndh-c | had no problems yet | 16:21 |
| init | hm | 16:21 |
| Pupnik | i lost both my stylii lol | 16:21 |
| init | i everytime got disconnect | 16:21 |
| s-ndh-c | Pupnik: i lost one but still have the second | 16:22 |
| Pupnik | looking for a page to order them from :) not finding | 16:22 |
| Pupnik | i'm pissed, the 770 and 800 aren't even mentioned on www.nokia.de homepage | 16:23 |
| init | k | 16:23 |
| Sonej^ | I need new headphones to my n800, my cat shredded mine :/ | 16:24 |
| init | hmm | 16:24 |
| init | its possible to install software on my 770 remotly pc computer? | 16:24 |
| osfameron | n800 headphones are nice | 16:24 |
| bill20r3 | d'oh | 16:24 |
| osfameron | nicest free headphones I've ever had. Actually... probably the nicest I've had (I don't really spend much money on headphones) | 16:24 |
| s-ndh-c | init: no, but you can login via ssh into your device and install software that way,but if you connection randomly drops that wont help much | 16:26 |
| s-ndh-c | id start by find the cause of your connection drops | 16:26 |
| init | oke | 16:27 |
| init | hmm | 16:28 |
| Pupnik | it can help to move the access point away from reflective walls | 16:28 |
| init | hmm | 16:28 |
| init | ap is in serverroomt | 16:28 |
| init | -t | 16:28 |
| init | not moveable | 16:29 |
| Pupnik | what does the connection strength indicator say | 16:29 |
| Pupnik | are you moving around in the building? there can be dead zones due to interference/absorbtion | 16:29 |
| init | noo | 16:30 |
| init | sitting on my desk | 16:30 |
| init | strength indicator is nearby full | 16:30 |
| Pupnik | the 770 does power-saving with wlan if you are not using the connection actively | 16:31 |
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| Pupnik | are you getting aborted downloads? | 16:31 |
| init | yes also | 16:31 |
| init | it also stopps by downloading | 16:31 |
| init | router logs is nothing | 16:31 |
| init | only tha pass throug wpa etc everytime | 16:32 |
| Pupnik | test wlan with file transfers to local pcs | 16:32 |
| init | hmm | 16:32 |
| init | how i can transfer files to pcs? | 16:32 |
| init | atm i got no connection | 16:32 |
| Pupnik | sounds like a real wlan problem. test with other wlans. test with open wlans | 16:33 |
| glass | change channel if you can etc.. | 16:33 |
| glass | from the ap | 16:33 |
| init | hmm okey | 16:36 |
| init | ill try | 16:36 |
| init | got no other wlan atm | 16:36 |
| init | just the one at home | 16:36 |
| init | neighbours here doesn't have wlan | 16:36 |
| s-ndh-c | wlan at home in the server room? | 16:38 |
| s-ndh-c | wow | 16:38 |
| init | hmm glass | 16:38 |
| init | atm channel is on auto | 16:38 |
| init | noo | 16:38 |
| init | now im at work.. here we got wlan in serverroom | 16:38 |
| init | its just a router | 16:39 |
| init | but also wlan included | 16:39 |
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| init | normally its turned off cause noone is using it | 16:39 |
| init | at home i got wlan but no serverroom =) | 16:39 |
| s-ndh-c | ok | 16:40 |
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| joss193 | hi | 16:42 |
| joss193 | anyone used cdma here? | 16:42 |
| init | in router log i can find that "Wireless station event: Station X disassociated, SSID: Y." | 16:42 |
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| init | hmm | 16:45 |
| init | it everytime disconnects | 16:45 |
| init | like saving power or something | 16:46 |
| init | if u dont use it really it disconnects | 16:46 |
| Pupnik | it does save power | 16:48 |
| Pupnik | i don't know details how that works, but my WLAN AP says it stays connected | 16:48 |
| Pupnik | you can let a ping run constantly from pc to nokia to keep connection on, but only do this when plugged-in to AC power (netzbetrieb) | 16:49 |
| init | k | 16:52 |
| init | it get disconnected eeeverytime | 16:53 |
| init | all minute it got a disconnect | 16:53 |
| Pupnik | heh i see replacement BP-5l batteries for between 12 euro and 66 euro... | 16:55 |
| bill20r3 | there are aftermarket ones on ebay for cheap. | 16:56 |
| bill20r3 | like us$8-10 | 16:56 |
| Pupnik | yeah i see 4x 'maxcell' "1700 mah" going for 1.95 right now on ebay.de | 16:57 |
| Pupnik | nuts | 16:57 |
| bill20r3 | how many mah is the nokia battery? | 16:58 |
| Pupnik | 1300-1500 rating | 16:58 |
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| init | also with pinging i got disconnects | 16:58 |
| bill20r3 | Hmm, 1700mah is a touch more, although I've been pretty happy with the stock battery | 17:00 |
| Pupnik | i have to be somewhat skeptical of someone offering a battery for 2 euro | 17:00 |
| * bill20r3 shrugs | 17:01 | |
| bill20r3 | they're marked up so much to start with. | 17:01 |
| inz | I'm skeptical about anyone using lower case a to mark amperes... ;) | 17:02 |
| Pupnik | that was my typing laziness | 17:02 |
| inz | Pup, hence the ';)' | 17:02 |
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| init | its possible to connect to the internet over usb cable? | 17:08 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah | 17:08 |
| s-ndh-c | i guess that should work | 17:08 |
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| init | mkay | 17:11 |
| init | ill try that tomorrow | 17:11 |
| init | its possible to install some software on the computer for the n770? | 17:11 |
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| s-ndh-c | you might be able to install stuff in scratchbox and test it there | 17:12 |
| Pupnik | init: easier than networking over usb: download software to pc. connect nokia with usb, copy .deb packages to nokia mmc | 17:13 |
| Pupnik | then install-from-file | 17:13 |
| s-ndh-c | but that sucks for packages with many deps | 17:14 |
| unique311 | is their like a hildonize book for dummies | 17:15 |
| s-ndh-c | unique311: isnt the tutorial enough? | 17:15 |
| unique311 | not really | 17:16 |
| unique311 | i suck at code | 17:16 |
| s-ndh-c | or maybe have a look at some ports that have been changed to use hildon widgets where possible,maybe you get a better idea of howto do it then | 17:16 |
| unique311 | yes | 17:16 |
| unique311 | k, fair enough | 17:16 |
| Tak | did you look at the porting guide? | 17:17 |
| s-ndh-c | porting guide sounds good | 17:17 |
| init | ah Pupnik | 17:18 |
| init | but how i can connect nokia with usb | 17:18 |
| init | i plug in but nothing happens | 17:18 |
| unique311 | i did. | 17:18 |
| init | the "usb connected" icon on the mobile and the desktop | 17:18 |
| init | but nothing more | 17:18 |
| Tak | no help? | 17:19 |
| init | where Tak? | 17:19 |
| Tak | init: sorry, that was directed at unique311 | 17:19 |
| Tak | I don't think the porting guide mentions usb networking ;-) | 17:19 |
| init | ah k | 17:19 |
| s-ndh-c | init: you need to load some module first i think, there is a guide somewhere on the maemo wiki | 17:19 |
| init | ahm | 17:20 |
| init | where i can find that? | 17:20 |
| init | for what i have to search? | 17:20 |
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| Pupnik | module? no you just mount the nokia as a hard drive | 17:20 |
| Pupnik | /dev/sda1 usually | 17:20 |
| s-ndh-c | i thought he/she is talking about usb networking | 17:20 |
| unique311 | Tak i did look at the guide | 17:20 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 17:20 |
| init | ahm | 17:21 |
| Pupnik | init, you transfer data to it like a usb flash disk | 17:21 |
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| s-ndh-c | init: do like Pupnik said and just download the debs and copy over to the mmc and then choose install from file in the applicatin installer thingy | 17:21 |
| init | mkay | 17:22 |
| init | thanks | 17:22 |
| init | and what i have to copy there? | 17:22 |
| s-ndh-c | the package you want to install? | 17:22 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 17:22 |
| Pupnik | package = softwarepaket | 17:23 |
| init | yes i know | 17:23 |
| init | normaly i can download packages over wlan | 17:24 |
| init | but atm i got no connection | 17:24 |
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| Pupnik | at my workplace, the wlan is terrible in some rooms. europe limits the accesspoint strength to 1/10th the power they should have | 17:24 |
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| init | aah | 17:25 |
| init | crazy cause indicator is really good | 17:25 |
| Tak|work | heh, my fiancee can't even connect to her wlan, because they force everyone to use wep+peap | 17:26 |
| Pupnik | yes you should try with another ap. it is possible but unlikely that your 770 has a defect | 17:26 |
| init | hmm crazy | 17:27 |
| init | at home it was working last night | 17:27 |
| init | but this morning it was terrible | 17:27 |
| glass | it could be picky about channel or ap.. | 17:27 |
| glass | wii's are pretty picky about channels | 17:27 |
| init | what'r wii's? | 17:28 |
| glass | nintendos console | 17:28 |
| init | lol | 17:28 |
| glass | just as an example of devices that are picky about what channel the wifi ap is set to | 17:28 |
| init | crazy | 17:29 |
| init | ill try with another channel | 17:29 |
| init | let's see | 17:29 |
| init | so finished work | 17:30 |
| init | cya guys | 17:30 |
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| maddler | any good clue for a merlin u530 HDSPA PCMCIA card? :) | 17:31 |
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| unique311 | danm, reading is some good stuff.. | 17:43 |
| unique311 | i just read the monkey bubble hildonize tutorial, and have a better understanding..loll | 17:43 |
| unique311 | but it is a game....nothing like gimp....hehe. with my lack of knowledge on things i figure hildonizing gimp will take my lifetime. | 17:45 |
| Tak|work | it might be helpful to look at how they did gaim | 17:46 |
| Tak|work | it has a similar multiwindow setup | 17:47 |
| Pupnik | the zaurus port has the tools integrated into the main window, from what i could see in the video | 17:47 |
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| unique311 | yes | 17:49 |
| unique311 | it does | 17:49 |
| unique311 | getting fullscreen is nice.. | 17:49 |
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| unique311 | would like at least open, new, save, save as, exit in the statusbar/titlebar | 17:51 |
| unique311 | alot of the windows need scrolling...preference windows especially | 17:52 |
| unique311 | tools being intergrated in the main windows is cool, though.. | 17:52 |
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| unique311 | lots of coffee and lots of reading.. | 17:54 |
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| Tak|work | crap | 17:59 |
| Tak|work | svn: Berkeley DB error while opening environment for filesystem /var/svn/maemo/db: | 17:59 |
| Tak|work | DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery | 17:59 |
| Tak|work | svn: bdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery | 17:59 |
| timeless | nice | 18:00 |
| inz | svnadmin recover? | 18:00 |
| inz | If I got a penny each time my svn db died... | 18:01 |
| inz | ...I'd have 5 pennies | 18:01 |
| Tak|work | svnadmin recover /var/svn/maemo/db | 18:01 |
| Tak|work | svn: Can't open file '/var/svn/maemo/db/format': No such file or directory | 18:01 |
| inz | -/db | 18:01 |
| Tak|work | tried that and /var/svn too | 18:02 |
| inz | oh | 18:02 |
| Tak|work | hmm | 18:02 |
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| inz | It should work with /var/svn/maemo... | 18:02 |
| Tak|work | ls /var/svn | 18:02 |
| Tak|work | ls: /var/svn: No such file or directory | 18:02 |
| inz | err... | 18:02 |
| inz | that would explain why it's not working ;) | 18:02 |
| Tak|work | I've used svn here before, dammit! | 18:03 |
| * Tak|work kicks sb | 18:03 | |
| Tak|work | oh, hah - is this a server-side error? | 18:04 |
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| bill20r3 | how do I re-map my goofy bt keyboard keys? | 18:14 |
| bill20r3 | it works,(kind of), but the keys inputted are wrong. | 18:15 |
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| Pupnik | duno possibly keywords HID and profile would help | 18:17 |
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| maddler | use a black marker? :) | 18:19 |
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| maddler | and then redraw the right char... | 18:19 |
| nelson | bill20r3: what keyboard are you using? | 18:20 |
| bill20r3 | freedominput mini-duo | 18:20 |
| bill20r3 | I got it to input with kbdd, but a =q and so on. | 18:20 |
| nelson | Looks like it's not an HID keyboard. | 18:21 |
| maddler | I'd agree... | 18:21 |
| nelson | Hmmm... No, it says that it does. | 18:21 |
| nelson | http://www.porta-charge.co.uk/accessory_0412.html | 18:22 |
| maddler | but "Dual standard keyboard of 63 keys giving option of both HID and SPP profiles" | 18:22 |
| nelson | Have you tried using the standard BT keyboard support? | 18:22 |
| nelson | kbdd is for SPP-only keyboards. | 18:22 |
| glass | doing your own keymap should be possible.. | 18:23 |
| nelson | but shouldn't be necessary if he goes through HID. | 18:24 |
| bill20r3 | yeah, I have to use SPP mode, because apparently this isn't entirely HID compliant | 18:24 |
| bill20r3 | it supports both modes. | 18:24 |
| bill20r3 | /usr/share/keymaps, right? | 18:25 |
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| Tak|work | hmm - if I call osso_display_blanking_pause() while the display is blanked, does it unblank it? | 18:42 |
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| Pupnik | Dunno, but if your app calls it every 10 seconds, you hardly have to worry about that. | 18:54 |
| Tak|work | heh, if it did, I wouldn't care | 18:55 |
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| sylvanthis | hello, i have a nokia N800, and i have the default sources.list, are there more repositories available for more packages? | 19:11 |
| `0660 | there's a few listed in maemo.org -> wiki | 19:12 |
| Tak|work | plenty at http://downloads.maemo.org as well | 19:12 |
| sylvanthis | ahh thnx | 19:12 |
| Tak|work | the one-click installs will add their repositories | 19:12 |
| sylvanthis | because i also tried installing vim but it was missing some libs that were not available :S | 19:12 |
| Pupnik | the correct answer was "yes" | 19:12 |
| sylvanthis | i hope it will be then | 19:12 |
| sylvanthis | :P i'd prefer this anwer though :) | 19:13 |
| sylvanthis | wow nice pretty much repo's :D | 19:14 |
| sylvanthis | debian rocks | 19:16 |
| Tak|work | agreed | 19:17 |
| sylvanthis | ^^ | 19:17 |
| Pupnik | unique311: btw it might be a good idea to look over the maemo 2.2 intro to be sure you don't do anything maemo-3.0 specific to gimp - otherwise you'll lock out the 770 users | 19:18 |
| Pupnik | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 19:18 |
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| sylvanthis | i have another question: how can i become root? because i don't know the password, and i tried the lock code but i don't think it worked | 19:23 |
| sylvanthis | (after su - ) | 19:24 |
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| Pupnik | install the "becomeroot" package and then type in an xterm, "sudo gainroot" | 19:25 |
| Tak|work | with n800, you need to install ssh and ssh root@localhost | 19:25 |
| Tak|work | iirc | 19:25 |
| Pupnik | oh | 19:25 |
| sylvanthis | really? so i need to access my loopback with ssh | 19:26 |
| sylvanthis | strange | 19:26 |
| sylvanthis | thnx though :D | 19:26 |
| Tak|work | afaik that's the "easy" way | 19:26 |
| sylvanthis | what's the hard one? the becomeroot? | 19:27 |
| Tak|work | I never got becomeroot to work on n800 | 19:27 |
| sylvanthis | oh xD | 19:27 |
| sylvanthis | i don't have wireless internet in my home :(, and no neighbors who got is :|, so i have to do everything in school, so i ll memorise and try it there | 19:28 |
| sylvanthis | i really like the linux device over the windows mobile crap, i can install many apps :) | 19:28 |
| sylvanthis | ehh i've just written my sources.list, but i can't save it (i wasn't root and i can't install the packages at the moment) but i can't open another xterm, so does anyone know what directory i could write the file to to save it for later? | 19:35 |
| sylvanthis | the :! doesn't work in vi | 19:35 |
| bill20r3 | osso-xterm has tabs.. | 19:40 |
| zuh | Or use /tmp | 19:40 |
| bill20r3 | :w /home/user/apt-source.oops | 19:40 |
| sylvanthis | ahh thnx | 19:41 |
| sylvanthis | how can i open tabs?? | 19:41 |
| sylvanthis | *user* of course xD | 19:41 |
| bill20r3 | does gainroot work on the N800? | 19:41 |
| bill20r3 | under file->new | 19:42 |
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| sylvanthis | ohh nice | 19:42 |
| sylvanthis | cool | 19:42 |
| sylvanthis | tabs :D | 19:42 |
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| sylvanthis | but how can you press install on a downloaded thing and then your nokia fetches the package and installs it, without ssh or becomeroot package? it needs to be root for that right? | 19:48 |
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| Jaffa | sylvanthis: the system has an /etc/sudoers which allows the application manager to install stuff | 19:50 |
| sylvanthis | so you change from the user 'user' to something like user 'system' and then it becomes root? | 19:51 |
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| Pupnik | there is a real root user | 19:52 |
| Pupnik | oh you're asking about app manager . nm | 19:53 |
| sylvanthis | yes but if you re initially logged in as user | 19:53 |
| Pupnik | i just assumed app manager program was suid | 19:53 |
| sylvanthis | so can't we from a shell change to the user that can become root? | 19:53 |
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| Pupnik | i can't talk about the internals, i just read the howto and sudo gainroot | 19:54 |
| sylvanthis | hmm i guess you're right with suid | 19:54 |
| Pupnik | usually i do my root stuff from ssh anyway | 19:55 |
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| ptman | at least on my N800 /etc/sudoers contains a lot of commands that the user "user" (the one most software runs as) can run as root | 19:55 |
| ptman | one is /usr/libexec/apt-worker | 19:55 |
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| sylvanthis | is xterm listed? :P | 19:56 |
| sylvanthis | or bash? | 19:56 |
| ptman | no, that would completely negate the whole benefit of sudo | 19:57 |
| sylvanthis | ye that's true | 19:57 |
| ptman | ah, one is /usr/bin/app-installer-tool | 19:58 |
| sylvanthis | which holds the answer to the question :D | 19:58 |
| ptman | but it doesn't exist | 19:58 |
| sylvanthis | the binairy? | 19:58 |
| ptman | correct | 19:59 |
| ptman | there is osso-applicaiton-installer, but it is only a symlink to maemo-invoker | 19:59 |
| ptman | so the magic probably happens in maemo-invoker | 19:59 |
| sylvanthis | then that particular line is pretty useless isn't it | 20:00 |
| bill20r3 | ok, my wierdo keyboard works. | 20:00 |
| bill20r3 | there was a patched version of kbdd | 20:00 |
| timeless | maemo-invoker is just an evil shell that dlopens things | 20:02 |
| timeless | it's not related to any particular app | 20:02 |
| bill20r3 | is there a way to pop messages on to the screen from a shell script? | 20:02 |
| bill20r3 | like the 'please wait' stuff. | 20:03 |
| dragorn | xmessage? | 20:03 |
| timeless | dbus | 20:04 |
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| bill20r3 | I suspect dbus, but I dont know the syntax | 20:04 |
| timeless | almost everything in maemo is built around dbus | 20:04 |
| timeless | the loading notes you see on the screen are not hosted by the app that asks for them | 20:04 |
| bill20r3 | anyone know a working command line, off hand? | 20:04 |
| bill20r3 | I just want a little status message, from a sh script | 20:05 |
| * bill20r3 googles. | 20:06 | |
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| unique311 | ok, i've come to realize that me, gimp, and hildon will not be happening. | 20:24 |
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| sylvanthis | lol | 20:25 |
| sylvanthis | how can i get the camera out of the nokia? | 20:25 |
| sylvanthis | so i can take a picture? | 20:25 |
| unique311 | dismantle it | 20:25 |
| unique311 | oh | 20:26 |
| Tak|work | heh, push on it | 20:26 |
| unique311 | push it | 20:26 |
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| unique311 | you think the nokia people would gladly do the hildonizing of gimp if i submit the working src? | 20:26 |
| sylvanthis | ohh lol :P | 20:26 |
| sylvanthis | coool! | 20:27 |
| timeless | i don't think nokia people could comment on such a thing | 20:27 |
| unique311 | update the firmware so you can have the camera app... | 20:27 |
| unique311 | why? | 20:27 |
| timeless | but if you wanted to start somewhere, start w/ GimpShop | 20:28 |
| timeless | it's a lot less un maemo | 20:28 |
| timeless | than thegimp | 20:28 |
| unique311 | ok.. | 20:28 |
| unique311 | so maemo would have to hildon it. | 20:28 |
| sylvanthis | is there a gimp package for the n800?? | 20:28 |
| sylvanthis | i have camera app :) | 20:28 |
| unique311 | well the maemo people..which is the general public devs | 20:28 |
| sylvanthis | installed it at school :D | 20:29 |
| bedboi | it's the second time that the nokia ac adapter breaks | 20:30 |
| bedboi | they are definitely shitty | 20:30 |
| bedboi | to use an euphemism | 20:30 |
| timeless | how do you break an ac adapter? | 20:30 |
| bedboi | the fucking wire is too thin | 20:30 |
| bedboi | apparently it is ok | 20:30 |
| bedboi | but it doesn't work | 20:30 |
| bedboi | it's the second time that it happens | 20:31 |
| bedboi | and a friend of mine had the same problem | 20:31 |
| timeless | (to be fair, i've bent the plug that goes into the n800, but it still works) | 20:31 |
| bedboi | so it's not me | 20:31 |
| sylvanthis | lol | 20:32 |
| unique311 | so timeless i need to get in touch with the people at maemo to get gimp hildon | 20:32 |
| sylvanthis | haven't had problems so far, but it indeed looks pretty fragile | 20:32 |
| bedboi | well, fragile | 20:32 |
| bedboi | it's unstable | 20:33 |
| bedboi | i can break it just by watching it | 20:33 |
| timeless | there's a howto somewhere on maemo.org, but practically speaking, there's no one at nokia to talk to | 20:33 |
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| timeless | all the people at nokia are very busy w/ whatever they think is important | 20:33 |
| * Tak|work hasn't broken either of his ac adapters | 20:33 | |
| unique311 | gimp is not | 20:33 |
| timeless | if you are having trouble hildonizing, you should be able to get help here | 20:33 |
| bedboi | Tak|work: probably you don't bring it in a bag | 20:33 |
| bedboi | with other stuff | 20:34 |
| Tak|work | my fiancee carries hers around in a bag nonstop | 20:34 |
| bedboi | Tak|work: btw, other ac adapters from nokia works greatly | 20:34 |
| Tak|work | with books, pens, other generic school paraphernalia | 20:34 |
| bedboi | like the 6630 one | 20:34 |
| timeless | hrm, i have definitely travelled w/ ac adapters for 770/n800 | 20:34 |
| timeless | the only one i broke was at home, and i think it was plugged in and then probably stepped on or yanked off the bed or something similarly nasty | 20:34 |
| unique311 | i think internet tablet/graphics tool, would bring lots of buyers to this little device... | 20:34 |
| bedboi | Tak|work: well it must be some curse around me, because my friend has broken his adapter too | 20:35 |
| unique311 | its having a cintiq with you wherever you go... | 20:35 |
| timeless | unique311: believe me, i'm not disagreeing | 20:35 |
| unique311 | yes | 20:35 |
| unique311 | timeless we are buddies as of now..you agreed with me.. | 20:35 |
| unique311 | lol | 20:35 |
| timeless | anyway, start by getting gimpshop running | 20:35 |
| bedboi | Tak|work: btw, imho they are not well designed | 20:35 |
| bedboi | i never saw a wire that thin | 20:35 |
| unique311 | cool | 20:35 |
| timeless | hildonizing will be a secondary thing | 20:35 |
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| unique311 | i'm motivated now.. | 20:36 |
| timeless | practically speaking, if you can get a deb(src) w/ gimpshop available and findable on the web, you'll make life easier for someone, whether it's another person here, or elsewhere | 20:36 |
| bedboi | Tak|work: i don't think there's any good reason for such a thin cable | 20:36 |
| Tak|work | ok | 20:36 |
| timeless | the thin cable helps you distinguish it from the older nokia phone cable :) | 20:37 |
| bedboi | Tak|work: i will try to get an adapter to use the 6630 ac with n800/n700 | 20:37 |
| timeless | (and no, i have no opinion about whether that's a good idea) | 20:37 |
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| bedboi | timeless: i don't have any 6630 adapter handy but i don't remember voltage/current diffs | 20:38 |
| bedboi | some new nokia phones come with this crappy ac and a little adapter to use the old ac adapters | 20:38 |
| bedboi | this stuff make me nervous | 20:39 |
| bedboi | s/make/makes | 20:39 |
| timeless | i've heard people say that the original 770s had such adapters | 20:39 |
| bedboi | my n770 came with the crappy ones | 20:40 |
| Pupnik | wow somebody finally made a gimpshop | 20:57 |
| Pupnik | i was bleating about that a lot back when i transitioned to gimp | 20:57 |
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| unique311 | timeless you said a deb / src gimpshop | 20:58 |
| unique311 | ok i found the gimpshop src | 20:58 |
| unique311 | also found the deb package use with gimpshop pro... | 20:59 |
| unique311 | did i make someones life easy | 20:59 |
| Pupnik | gimpshop not in deb source repo | 20:59 |
| unique311 | ok | 21:00 |
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| Pupnik | nice, it can run photoshop plugins | 21:01 |
| timeless | all i know is that when i looked i couldn't find a deb/src of it. and nokia seems to like using deb-src as a starting point | 21:03 |
| timeless | does it build and run? | 21:04 |
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| * timeless sighs | 21:05 | |
| * timeless hates apt | 21:05 | |
| Pupnik | could have nasty dependencies | 21:05 |
| timeless | i ask apt to give me the source for a single package, it merily complies | 21:05 |
| Pupnik | yeah so? | 21:06 |
| timeless | i ask it for the source for a bunch of packages including that single package | 21:06 |
| timeless | and it complains that it can't find the source for that single package | 21:06 |
| timeless | it looks like it will happily do things one at a time though, so i can just do: cut '-d ' -f1 magic.list|xargs -n1 apt-get source --only-source | 21:08 |
| Pupnik | hmm, i've been just grabbing required dependencies manually | 21:16 |
| Pupnik | gimpshop complains about missing xml perl module, but it's installed | 21:17 |
| Pupnik | just comemnted out that test | 21:17 |
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| Pupnik | how much space do you have free on root fs on a n800, when you buy it? | 21:25 |
| Pupnik | there's a ton of stuff you don't *really* need with gimpshop | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | about half, iirc | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | ~128 megs | 21:26 |
| sylvanthis | nah more, more like 200 mb | 21:27 |
| sylvanthis | because the chip that contains the root filesystem also has mb free | 21:27 |
| Pupnik | timeless, btw the zaurus version of the gimp that unique311 compiled has all commands merged into one window - none of that three-window stuff | 21:28 |
| sylvanthis | sorry i wasn't reading carefully beg my pardon | 21:28 |
| timeless | fwiw, i've never actually used gimpshop. i've only read that it exists. and i spent a few mins deciding that it makes a lot more sense than just about anything else | 21:29 |
| timeless | there are "simpler" things out there that have *many* more dependencies than gimp(shop) | 21:29 |
| timeless | and gimp's ui is really not suited (imo) to the device | 21:29 |
| timeless | that's about my entire thought process (oh, and then there was the, "darn -can't find a debsrc") | 21:30 |
| Pupnik | ok gimpshop took up 20MB after make install | 21:32 |
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| timeless | tolerable, probably better to aim for 5m w/ other things split into installables | 21:32 |
| keesj | does the "nokia internet call" perform nat traversal? | 21:36 |
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| timeless | i hope so | 21:37 |
| keesj | "she" is getting "cannot connect to server" trying to connect again | 21:37 |
| timeless | would "stun" be a sufficient answer? | 21:37 |
| timeless | accounts help says: When enabled, Simple Traversal Underneath Network Address Translators (NAT) (STUN) is detected automatically. This setting is enabled by default. | 21:39 |
| unique311 | Pupnik gimpshop compile.. | 21:40 |
| unique311 | 20MB | 21:40 |
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| unique311 | gimp compile at 41MB | 21:41 |
| unique311 | need to cut that number in half somehow someway | 21:41 |
| unique311 | docs don't need em | 21:41 |
| keesj | unique311: did you ever try mtpaint ? | 21:41 |
| unique311 | no | 21:41 |
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| unique311 | mtpaint | 21:41 |
| unique311 | ? | 21:41 |
| keesj | http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/ | 21:41 |
| keesj | at least is looks like it is a single window application | 21:42 |
| unique311 | but gimps floating windows is not issue at all.. | 21:43 |
| unique311 | mtpaint could do. | 21:43 |
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| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2jVHqvDW5M | 21:44 |
| unique311 | not the best video | 21:44 |
| Pupnik | yeah unique311 ^^ the install was 20MB here too | 21:45 |
| Pupnik | going to see what the execs and libs take up, vs the rest of the files now | 21:45 |
| Pupnik | those will go onto root, the rest onto mmc | 21:46 |
| keesj | unique311: did you use a n800 to created that video or what? | 21:46 |
| Pupnik | what options did you use for configure unique311 ? | 21:47 |
| keesj | I had to stip the file manualy when not using .deb files | 21:47 |
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| Pupnik | wtf is gimp doing with alsa... :| | 21:49 |
| timeless | pupnik: is this gimp and gimpshop, or just gimp? | 21:50 |
| unique311 | i didn't use a n800 to make the video | 21:50 |
| unique311 | i used my ppc6700 | 21:50 |
| unique311 | lol | 21:50 |
| timeless | from memory it was an optional dependency | 21:50 |
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| Pupnik | timeless: gimpshop | 21:50 |
| unique311 | pupnik has gimpshop | 21:51 |
| unique311 | i have gimp compiled | 21:51 |
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| unique311 | u said gimpshop and gimp and we would make someone happy.. | 21:51 |
| Pupnik | zaurus gimp here was somewhere around 50MB so i never installed the build | 21:51 |
| unique311 | whose that someone timeless? | 21:51 |
| unique311 | you have to use --disable-print flag | 21:52 |
| timeless | sorry can't answer that. for now just make it appear in useful places like blogs | 21:53 |
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| timeless | and maybe try and get gimpshop into debian or ubuntu? since at least i couldn't find it there? | 21:53 |
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| * timeless frowns | 21:55 | |
| unique311 | try those options Pupnik | 21:55 |
| Pupnik | somebody made a ubuntu version | 21:55 |
| Pupnik | yeah unique311 i disabled print flag also | 21:55 |
| sylvanthis | thnx 4 the help, i gtg bb :) | 21:57 |
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| Tak|work | xephyr + scratchbox + ssh forwarding = teh slow | 21:58 |
| timeless | tak: slower than the device? | 22:00 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:00 | |
| timeless | someone here want to explain how debian repositories and sources.list work together? | 22:00 |
| Tak|work | it doesn't take the device 30s to do a screen update | 22:01 |
| Tak|work | even the n800 ;-) | 22:01 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:01 | |
| timeless | this sucks | 22:01 |
| Tak|work | timeless: what do you mean, specifically? | 22:01 |
| timeless | these two groups can't agree on directory names | 22:01 |
| timeless | tak: give me a bit, i might have solved my problem | 22:02 |
| Tak|work | ok, cool | 22:02 |
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| timeless | ok, got it working | 22:05 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:05 | |
| timeless | i hate that these things aren't consistent | 22:05 |
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| thoughtfix | Whatcha gonna do with all that junk? All that junk inside your trunk? | 22:13 |
| Tak|work | replace it with beer | 22:15 |
| thoughtfix | Heh | 22:15 |
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| _m0 | someone around with a freedom mini keyboard connected via bluetooth to a n800 device? i have problems reconnecting the keyboard. | 22:21 |
| unique311 | Pupnik you want me to compile with new flags? | 22:24 |
| Pupnik | localepurge might be a nice way to free up a couple of megs | 22:24 |
| nelson | _m0: are you using HID or SPP? | 22:24 |
| _m0 | so far i am trying to use HID | 22:25 |
| _m0 | nelson: for SPP i need kbdd from http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/, am i right? | 22:27 |
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| * timeless sighs | 22:30 | |
| timeless | clearly i don't use this app very often | 22:30 |
| timeless | i just noticed the title of the dialog | 22:30 |
| timeless | oh man | 22:31 |
| * timeless so wants to kick someone | 22:31 | |
| nelson | _m0: yes, SPP requires kbddd ... or something similar. | 22:32 |
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| nelson | _m0: but it also requires that kbdd support the keyboard's mapping of serial codes into keycodes. | 22:33 |
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| unique311_ | Pupnik ./configure --prefix=/home/user/MyDocs/gimp --disable-print --without-gtkhtml2 --exec=prefix=/usr/local/ --with-html-dir=/dev/null | 22:37 |
| unique311_ | that should do | 22:37 |
| Pupnik | no that'll put everything onto your root fs, i want the non-executeable stuff on the mmc | 22:39 |
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| olafura | Is there any is_IS.vkb | 22:41 |
| timeless | what would that be? | 22:42 |
| olafura | The keyboard layout for icelandic | 22:42 |
| timeless | icelandic is a language? | 22:42 |
| olafura | It's spoken in Iceland | 22:43 |
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| olafura | I don't have the maemo development environment installed but the language code is suppost to be supported it would be under /usr/share/keyboards | 22:46 |
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| b0unc3 | hi | 22:57 |
| tigert | timeless: the world is not consistent :) | 22:58 |
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| Smilez | quick question. Has anyone used MaemoMapper with the GPS (bluetooth) device to navigate to specific locations? Not just track your movement? | 23:07 |
| derf | Yes. | 23:08 |
| Smilez | So I can punch in an address, and it will give me a route? | 23:09 |
| derf | No, I looked for it on the map. | 23:09 |
| derf | But it _does_ have an interface to a free route planner. | 23:09 |
| Smilez | within mmapper? | 23:09 |
| derf | Yes. | 23:09 |
| derf | It just didn't do me much good, as I was in Japan. | 23:09 |
| Smilez | mind guiding me? I wanna try it out before getting the GPS | 23:10 |
| Smilez | hehe good point | 23:10 |
| derf | I don't have my device with me. | 23:10 |
| Smilez | ogh | 23:10 |
| Smilez | err oh | 23:10 |
| derf | It's in one of the menus. | 23:10 |
| derf | Probably under "Route" or somesuch. | 23:10 |
| Smilez | This is what i have under "Route>" : "Open, Download, Save, Show distance to next waypoint, show distance to end route, reset, and clear | 23:11 |
| derf | Then maybe not. | 23:11 |
| Smilez | i basically want, Tom Tom functionality out of this thing, if I'm going to buy the GPS unit | 23:11 |
| derf | "Maemo Mapper supports opening and saving of standard GPS Exchange (GPX) files. You can open or save tracks (where you've been) or routes (where you would like to go). With this functionality, it is possible to download a route from the internet (e.g. from the GPX Driving Directions web service) and display the route on the map." | 23:12 |
| derf | I thought there was a menu item that did that for you. I might have been hallucinating, though. | 23:12 |
| Smilez | you ate one of those weird mushrooms in japan huh :D | 23:13 |
| derf | Oh, no, that's the next paragraph. | 23:13 |
| Smilez | that would be a nice project though. to be able to punch in directions and what not... or even download routes from google maps or something | 23:13 |
| derf | Just go read the homepage. | 23:13 |
| derf | http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ | 23:13 |
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| Smilez | thanks for the link.... i suppose the same holds tru for my N800 right? | 23:14 |
| derf | "You can even specify that Maemo Mapper automatically update the route based on your current position, giving you the full power of a $2000 in-car navigation system in the palm of your hand. Of course, an internet connection is required during the trip." | 23:14 |
| Smilez | hmm | 23:15 |
| Smilez | which my cell phone can do | 23:15 |
| derf | Don't you love living in the future? | 23:16 |
| Smilez | haha... how so? | 23:16 |
| Smilez | "The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed, would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper, the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you." | 23:16 |
| Smilez | that future? :D | 23:16 |
| derf | That's _so_ the past now. | 23:17 |
| Smilez | hehe | 23:17 |
| derf | Welcome to the 21st century, my friend. | 23:17 |
| derf | We left 1984 a long time ago. | 23:17 |
| Smilez | i know... but some truths still hold true | 23:17 |
| Smilez | it'd be nice if we had nationwide wifi already | 23:17 |
| Smilez | intels only selling it to third world countries | 23:18 |
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| Smilez | derf: http://gnuite.com:8080/cgi-bin/gpx.cgi <-- its giving me some errors regarding cookies.. can you verify it works if possible? | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | we should have 255 802.11 channels, and everybody should be free to run a 5 Watt access point | 23:19 |
| Smilez | that'd be nice | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | tnough most portable devices obviously wouldn't be able to transmit that much power to the access point | 23:23 |
| Smilez | if plugged into a car they could | 23:23 |
| Pupnik | yeah, also, there could be an aysmmetric wlan standard, with low sending power and speed for the clients, high sending power and speed for the access point | 23:24 |
| Pupnik | that way the AP reciever could be much more sensitive and range increased | 23:25 |
| Smilez | yeah. unfortunately the FCC hates us... but good thing people in Mexico will have country wide wifi as soon as they can afford it right | 23:25 |
| Pupnik | what does 'country wide wifi' really mean? | 23:26 |
| Smilez | intel recently tested a wifi technology that went from san francisco to the souther most part of california | 23:26 |
| Smilez | similar to wimax | 23:26 |
| Smilez | but they wont be able to sell it stateside because it would knock out all the telecom companies | 23:26 |
| Smilez | anyhow... has anyone been able to use any form of GPX driving directions? I can't find a source for these things | 23:29 |
| dragorn | the maemo mapper downloader worked fine for me the last time I tried | 23:29 |
| Smilez | to download routes or maps? | 23:30 |
| dragorn | routes | 23:30 |
| Smilez | lemme give it a try | 23:30 |
| dragorn | it also worked fine for maps, but since you asked about gpx | 23:30 |
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| Smilez | well look at that | 23:32 |
| Smilez | thanks dragorn | 23:32 |
| Smilez | i installed the Flite library, will this thing tell me what to do next, and what not? | 23:33 |
| ||cw | that's the idea | 23:34 |
| Smilez | ok, so i downloaded the route (thanks dragorn) now how does it know which waypoint im at, when i click on "next waypoint" it just takes me to the end | 23:35 |
| thoughtfix | Okay so - http://groups.myspace.com/tableteers <-- Go ahead. Laugh at me. | 23:35 |
| bill20r3 | HAHA | 23:36 |
| Smilez | hehe... nice | 23:36 |
| thoughtfix | ... EVERYONE is DOING IT! ;) | 23:36 |
| Smilez | ||cw, flite works for you? | 23:36 |
| * Tak|work snickers | 23:37 | |
| Smilez | when i click on "next waypoint" it jumps to the destination | 23:38 |
| Smilez | anybody? | 23:41 |
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| Smilez | does the flight library only work with the GPS module? | 23:49 |
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