| konttori_ | If anyone has interest in seeing some spectacular vide on their N800 (that has the latest firmware), check this out: http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/Fan4HD.avi | 00:04 |
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| konttori_ | 10 MB. | 00:04 |
| tigert | konttori_: wow | 00:05 |
| tigert | konttori_: the one released a bit ago, or did we release a new one? :) | 00:05 |
| konttori_ | This is a new one | 00:05 |
| konttori_ | Oh, this is the old trailer | 00:05 |
| tigert | ooh | 00:05 |
| konttori_ | sorry | 00:05 |
| tigert | neat | 00:05 |
| konttori_ | But the quality is ... spectacular | 00:06 |
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| tigert | konttori_: will have to try | 00:06 |
| tigert | I have been lazy to flash even though I have access to our internal images | 00:06 |
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| tigert | you mean the march 23 image? | 00:06 |
| konttori_ | Umm.. yeah | 00:06 |
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| tigert | man | 00:07 |
| konttori_ | ok, it's not smooth like the 400x240 video is, but that trailer is the worst stuff you can throw at a video player. | 00:09 |
| tigert | yeah | 00:09 |
| konttori_ | Heady decoding, with stuff changing at a rapid pace all over the image. | 00:09 |
| tigert | hows j00t00b? | 00:09 |
| maddler | hi all! | 00:10 |
| maddler | hui tigert! | 00:10 |
| tigert | hui :) | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | For action movie, I would always choose 400x240 instead of that, but for pretty much everything else, I might be tempted to go for the HD road. | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | I'll test jootoob | 00:10 |
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| maddler | konttori_: any new bug to reproduce? :D | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | Well, seems like mp3s with artwork in the id3 tags are causing crash | 00:12 |
| maddler | hehe... | 00:12 |
| maddler | oh... I had a couple crashes today... but hadn't time to investigate... | 00:12 |
| maddler | maybe... | 00:12 |
| maddler | I'll try to give it a look as soon as I'll finish to restore my wife's PC... | 00:13 |
| maddler | damn windows boxes! | 00:13 |
| konttori_ | juutuub is going 3 fps. | 00:14 |
| konttori_ | So, much faster slideshow | 00:14 |
| konttori_ | In 80% video, it's 4 fps | 00:14 |
| konttori_ | maybe more. could be almost 7 some times. | 00:15 |
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| konttori_ | Oh, it was more related to buffering | 00:15 |
| konttori_ | I'd say it's many times better than before. And very close to being perfectly fine. | 00:17 |
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| konttori_ | I'll probably try to release an updated version of media converter tomorrow. Just checking the resolutions now. 400x240 seems to work perfectly. | 00:20 |
| konttori_ | maddler: Thanks for the testing. If you can verify that certain mp3s crash it, it would be great. | 00:22 |
| konttori_ | At some point, mp3s with id3 v1 and id3 v2 in the same file, crashed it. | 00:22 |
| konttori_ | I'm not sure if that's still the case. I hope not | 00:22 |
| maddler | ok... :) | 00:23 |
| maddler | will you then send me a free copy of MediaCenter? :DDDDDDDDDD | 00:23 |
| tigert | konttori_: try "low quality" | 00:24 |
| tigert | that usually also helps | 00:24 |
| maddler | oh... today at office... an idiot was asking me a Linux's keygen!!! | 00:24 |
| tigert | but the thing is, I think the flash plugin doesnt use xvideo visual like the media player does | 00:24 |
| tigert | maddler: HAHA | 00:25 |
| maddler | hehehe... yeah... as well as an Openoffice serial... | 00:25 |
| maddler | you know... | 00:25 |
| tigert | linux is becoming mainstream clearly :) | 00:25 |
| maddler | damn... why the hell these guys don't even try to /etc/init.d/brain start?! | 00:25 |
| maddler | hahahaha... indeed... | 00:25 |
| konttori_ | tigert: I tried that as well, but it didn't help much. | 00:26 |
| maddler | oh... tigert... maybe you can help me... | 00:26 |
| maddler | any idea of which font is used for "maemo"? | 00:27 |
| maddler | I'm working on maemo flyer... | 00:27 |
| maddler | the closer one I found is Gazette | 00:27 |
| maddler | very very close... but not identical... | 00:27 |
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| tigert | the logo is going to change | 00:28 |
| konttori_ | maddler: I'll send you an press evaluation copy of media center. But beware, it has got secret watermarks in the code that will identify you if you leak it to torrent sites. | 00:28 |
| tigert | a bit | 00:28 |
| tigert | not much | 00:28 |
| tigert | but enough to screw you with the font choice :P | 00:28 |
| tigert | you can see the one on my flickr | 00:28 |
| tigert | or do you mean just that one? | 00:28 |
| maddler | konttori_: damn! :DDDDD | 00:28 |
| maddler | just that one... | 00:29 |
| tigert | maddler: 00:25 < maddler> damn... why the hell these guys don't even try to | 00:29 |
| tigert | /etc/init.d/brain start?! | 00:29 |
| maddler | if it will remain the same... | 00:29 |
| tigert | maddler: maybe he didnt succeed finding its serial yet? | 00:29 |
| maddler | tigert: hahahaha... yes! | 00:29 |
| tigert | maddler: mail quim | 00:30 |
| tigert | and maybe he can poke the people who are enjoying logo bureaucracy and politics whether you could have the svg | 00:30 |
| maddler | no... no need... I'll keep using Gazette as a placeholder... | 00:30 |
| tigert | yea | 00:30 |
| tigert | use that for now | 00:30 |
| tigert | but poke quim so you get the right one eventually | 00:30 |
| maddler | it's fine for now... | 00:31 |
| maddler | yup... | 00:31 |
| maddler | wouldn't be so nice to have an official flyer with a messed logo... ;) | 00:31 |
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| konttori_ | By the way, who's quim? | 00:32 |
| maddler | an AI | 00:34 |
| maddler | he's controlling our lifes... | 00:34 |
| maddler | no escape! | 00:34 |
| maddler | quim is maemo | 00:35 |
| maddler | quim is maemo's product manager | 00:35 |
| tigert | konttori_: Quim Gil | 00:37 |
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| tigert | konttori_: lets do lunch with him next week? | 00:38 |
| konttori_ | Why not! Sounds like a great idea! | 00:38 |
| konttori_ | Tuesday fine? | 00:38 |
| tigert | http://jaime.hemmett.org/photos/guadec2006/P1030796.sized.jpg | 00:38 |
| tigert | hm, need to check | 00:38 |
| tigert | lemme mail you both | 00:38 |
| tigert | what was your email? | 00:39 |
| konttori_ | urho.konttori@gmail.com | 00:39 |
| tigert | spam-encoded :) | 00:39 |
| tigert | argh, too late | 00:39 |
| konttori_ | Oh well, it's everywhere anyway | 00:39 |
| maddler | oh... your pizzas are still waiting! :DDDDD | 00:39 |
| konttori_ | and besides, google has great spam filtering | 00:40 |
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| Tak|work | yeah, I haven't had an issue with spam on gmail | 00:41 |
| tigert | konttori_: it does truly | 00:41 |
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| tigert | I get a lot of spam to gmail already | 00:41 |
| tigert | but it goes to spam bin 99% | 00:41 |
| * konttori_ tried watching video on dailymotion. Too slow to watch | 00:42 | |
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| maddler | timeless: I'm having some fun playing with dspam... | 00:43 |
| maddler | zdziarski did a pretty good job... | 00:43 |
| konttori_ | Leopard UI shots: http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/456896357/ | 00:46 |
| tigert | finnish lesson of the day | 00:46 |
| tigert | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYD-cDd_Gs&NR=1 | 00:46 |
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| tigert | "Men always give up. I will never give up!" | 00:46 |
| konttori_ | Looks like they went (at least for that build) for the plastic approach they've used in itunes | 00:46 |
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| konttori_ | or they are fakes | 00:48 |
| tigert | ? | 00:49 |
| * tigert looks | 00:49 | |
| konttori_ | Probably they are just preparing for the final theme and using that as a placeholder to see that everything has changed as they were supposed to | 00:50 |
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| konttori_ | Cool. Just verified again that the mp3s with cover art in id3, crash the uk mp | 00:53 |
| konttori_ | but they don't crash the internal media player | 00:54 |
| maddler | hehe | 00:54 |
| konttori_ | which leads me to think that I might be able to call the gstreamer somehow differently and get it to play that music. | 00:54 |
| maddler | and I just verified that I need to install from scratch my wife's PC! | 00:55 |
| maddler | _again_ | 00:55 |
| konttori_ | maddler: No! | 00:56 |
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| maddler | eh... | 01:03 |
| maddler | damn! | 01:03 |
| maddler | after an hour spent trying to figure what went wrong... | 01:04 |
| maddler | I surrender... | 01:04 |
| maddler | some program simply won't start... and admins aren't really admins... and programs can't be uninstalled... and other amenities like that... | 01:05 |
| maddler | faster to kill it than to try to understand... | 01:05 |
| maddler | I should give a try to cedega... | 01:05 |
| maddler | since my {wife|daughter} are using that computer to play games mostly... | 01:06 |
| maddler | or at least that's the only reason to have that... uh... O.S.(?!) | 01:06 |
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| tigert | use some hd restore util like norton ghost? | 01:08 |
| maddler | yup... | 01:08 |
| tigert | to just save a snapshot of the disk when you have installed it once | 01:08 |
| maddler | clonezilla... | 01:08 |
| konttori_ | It's pretty fast to install xp anyway, so, why not. | 01:08 |
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| konttori_ | Maybe you don't even have to format the disk | 01:09 |
| konttori_ | When all's done, just move the user profiles back | 01:09 |
| maddler | right... the PITA is installing the _whole_ stuff... | 01:09 |
| maddler | not just winblows... | 01:09 |
| maddler | tigert: btw... I was playing with clonezilla today... veeery nice stuff... | 01:10 |
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| tigert | hm? | 01:10 |
| tigert | oh, nice | 01:10 |
| maddler | linux based alternative to nortob ghost... | 01:10 |
| maddler | I needed that since NG wasn't working with a couple win 2k3 servers... | 01:11 |
| maddler | and I needed to backup them... | 01:11 |
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| maddler | I mounted a remote FS over SSH... and saved the backup there... | 01:12 |
| tigert | sweet | 01:12 |
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| maddler | a 5GB filesystem... saved to a 2.8GB Bz2 remote image | 01:13 |
| maddler | it allows to only save used slices | 01:13 |
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| maddler | so... I'm going to create a backup of my laptop right before trying ubuntu 7.04 ;) | 01:14 |
| konttori_ | Oh yeah, I wanted to ask some time when I got the ukmp out for the first times on you thoughts on how to improve the UI, but now I'm kinda bound to get it out pretty soon, so can't do anymore big changes | 01:14 |
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| maddler | just in case the upgrade won't work as expected... ;) | 01:14 |
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| maddler | konttori_: I have a copuple suggestions... saving them for later... :) | 01:15 |
| konttori_ | Tease! | 01:15 |
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| maddler | hehe... | 01:16 |
| maddler | a "search" box would be kinda nice... | 01:16 |
| maddler | as well as bookmarks... | 01:16 |
| maddler | or playlists... :) | 01:16 |
| maddler | or a "DESTROY WINDOWS" button... | 01:17 |
| konttori_ | Oh. Really good ideas. I'll just patch them in and send you a test cop in a sec. | 01:17 |
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| maddler | hahahaha | 01:22 |
| maddler | ok... what about a "request coffe" button as well? | 01:23 |
| maddler | or "cold beer" perhaps... | 01:23 |
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| konttori_ | maddler: Nice ;) | 01:31 |
| * konttori_ has to go to bed now. | 01:32 | |
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| maddler | ok... ordered a new 160GB Sata2 HD... | 01:33 |
| maddler | since I have to reinstall... sounds like a nice chance to upgrade the disks as well... | 01:33 |
| maddler | damn... today I was thinking at when I was a child and RAM prices... | 01:34 |
| maddler | as well as disks sizes... | 01:35 |
| maddler | and... damn... I realized I'm getting OLD!!! | 01:35 |
| maddler | :DDDDDDDD | 01:35 |
| maddler | I still remember the feeling of my very first 3.5" floppy... | 01:36 |
| maddler | folks... it was science fiction coming reality!!! | 01:36 |
| maddler | s/coming/becoming/ | 01:36 |
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| maddler | have you ever tried carrying a 5.25" floppy in your pocket?! ;) | 01:37 |
| maddler | not to talk about 10"! | 01:37 |
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| nomis | maddler: I know about 8" floppies. 10" are new to me... :) | 01:43 |
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| maddler | nomis: hahaha... true... :DDDDD | 01:56 |
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| maddler | I said... I'm getting OLD! | 01:56 |
| maddler | my memories are vanishing! | 01:56 |
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| maddler | ok... time to hit the bed... | 02:01 |
| maddler | night all... | 02:01 |
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| vrcngtrx | hello, is anyone here today? | 03:11 |
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| neostrider | hello folks! | 03:54 |
| neostrider | anyone from canada? | 03:54 |
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| Ahpuc | yep | 03:59 |
| neostrider | Ahpuc | 03:59 |
| neostrider | what province you live on? | 03:59 |
| Ahpuc | ontario | 04:00 |
| neostrider | cool | 04:00 |
| neostrider | do you like it? | 04:00 |
| neostrider | im planning to do a trip to toronto... | 04:00 |
| neostrider | and...if I can...buy a n800 ;-) | 04:01 |
| Ahpuc | yes i like it, its a great place to live | 04:01 |
| neostrider | and its a good place to buy a n800? ;-P | 04:01 |
| Ahpuc | i don't knw where they are being sold in toronto. i bought mine from the states just before nokia made the announcement | 04:03 |
| bhima | counter | 04:04 |
| bhima | oops. | 04:04 |
| Ahpuc | that is what i get for being impatient | 04:04 |
| neostrider | =-P | 04:04 |
| neostrider | tiger direct got it | 04:04 |
| neostrider | but Im from Brazil. I dont know much about that store | 04:05 |
| neostrider | it is a physical store? | 04:05 |
| neostrider | is there any good chat portal for me to talk to canadian people? | 04:06 |
| neostrider | specially from toronto | 04:06 |
| neostrider | ? | 04:06 |
| Ahpuc | they do have several stores but they might not carry it in their stores, i would email them to ask | 04:07 |
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| Ahpuc | idk, try #toronto | 04:07 |
| neostrider | great...I will email them | 04:08 |
| neostrider | but there is any other store to look into? | 04:09 |
| Ahpuc | not that i know of sorry | 04:09 |
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| neostrider | well, thanks =-D | 04:15 |
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| Markov_ | hallo! | 05:40 |
| Markov_ | i just installed GoBan770 on my n800, but it doesn't appear to have the gnu go automaton with it | 05:41 |
| Markov_ | am i missing something? | 05:41 |
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| sri | howdy | 06:09 |
| sri | how do I setup a scratchbox devel environment for maemo? is there a url I can go to? | 06:10 |
| sri | better yet, is there a vmware appliance for maemo (that doesn't use edgy) | 06:11 |
| neostrider | sri..i guess there is a liveCD | 06:16 |
| neostrider | gentoo based i guess... | 06:16 |
| neostrider | maybe you can use qemu | 06:16 |
| sri | neostrider: I have no problem using scratchbox, but goign through the maemo.org website doesn't really give me decent instructions. | 06:19 |
| neostrider | try the wiki | 06:19 |
| neostrider | its the best | 06:19 |
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| sri | neostrider: thanks :) | 06:24 |
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| sri | hrm.. pretty easy to do the SDK stuff.. download one file and let it do the work. | 06:40 |
| sri | cool. | 06:40 |
| neostrider | my SDK installation is from the time we had to do lots of stuff to configure it | 06:42 |
| neostrider | ;-P | 06:42 |
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| neostrider | bye fellows | 07:17 |
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| konttori_ | anyone here who knows anything about the gstreamer in n800/770? | 09:41 |
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| polpak | konttori_ I wish | 09:59 |
| polpak | konttori_ trying to develop a video app? | 09:59 |
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| Bighugo | hi | 10:00 |
| Bighugo | who does know what OSSO means? | 10:01 |
| inz | Big, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/CodeNames | 10:02 |
| Bighugo | Inz | 10:02 |
| Bighugo | i found many package have postfix "osso" | 10:03 |
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| Bighugo | any difference? | 10:03 |
| inz | It's the same OSSO as mentioned on the page. | 10:04 |
| Bighugo | such as farsight_0.1.4-0osso7.tar.gz | 10:05 |
| Bighugo | any difference between farsigight_0.1.4.tar.gz and it? | 10:05 |
| Bighugo | does it mean farsight has been modified for OSSO? | 10:06 |
| inz | by OSSO | 10:06 |
| Bighugo | why these library need modification? | 10:06 |
| Bighugo | what is modified? | 10:06 |
| inz | You could get both and try diff to see the difference. | 10:07 |
| konttori_ | Hi! | 10:08 |
| Bighugo | actually, i don't have code now | 10:08 |
| konttori_ | polpak: Sounds great. | 10:08 |
| konttori_ | polpak: looks like this might be of interest to you: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/brisa-commits/2007-March/000031.html | 10:08 |
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| konttori_ | polpak: oh, that was a question. Sorry. Nope, trying to get uk mp playing also mp3s with album covers in the id3 tags | 10:11 |
| konttori_ | Looking to know on how the default player is able to play those songs, but ukmp isn't | 10:11 |
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| Bighugo | then what does the "7" of "0oss7" mean? | 10:19 |
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| inz | Bighugo, it's just a revision number | 10:26 |
| Bighugo | I just checked package lsof | 10:27 |
| Bighugo | i didn't find any code change | 10:27 |
| Bighugo | but there a new directory "debian" | 10:27 |
| inz | Sometimes it may just be the debian packaging. | 10:28 |
| Bighugo | I found " * Removed 10 legally problematic files. | 10:29 |
| Bighugo | in Changelog | 10:29 |
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| CountDown | I'm trying to stream video from the N800 to a media server using gstreamer, but when I try to run the pipeline through gst-launch I get an "erroneous pipeline: no element 'ffenc_mpeg4'" warning. Is ffenc_mpeg4 available for Maemo? I've already downloaded and installed all the gstreamer packages I could find. | 10:39 |
| konttori_ | CountDown: This *might* help: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/brisa-commits/2007-March/000031.html | 10:41 |
| CountDown | konttori: Thanks... I'll check it out. | 10:41 |
| CountDown | konttori: This looks like a patch submission for the python bindings to gstreamer. Did you see something in particular? | 10:43 |
| konttori_ | just thought that the video parts might contain something of interest | 10:44 |
| konttori_ | Will non-streamed version of the same video play on the device? | 10:45 |
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| CountDown | konttori: Ah. No, I'm trying to stream live video from a web camera. | 10:47 |
| konttori_ | ahh... was it so that the internal n800 camera uses h263? If so, perhaps you should try that one? | 10:48 |
| CountDown | Yep, that's the one. I tried ffenc_h263, but had the same problem. Perhaps it's called something else? | 10:50 |
| konttori_ | Saw this somewhere: gst-launch-0.8 udpsrc | video/x-h263 | dspmpeg4sink | 10:54 |
| konttori_ | CountDown: check this out: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg09045.html | 10:57 |
| konttori_ | so, it was: ffdec_h263 | 10:57 |
| CountDown | Ah, perhaps I need ffenc_h263p. | 10:58 |
| CountDown | I'm trying to use my device as a server, so I'm interested in the encoding. | 10:58 |
| konttori_ | on the server end, yeah, perhaps the h263p. | 10:58 |
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| CountDown | Seems that I don't have that either. | 11:00 |
| konttori_ | So, are you streaming from n800 or to n800? | 11:01 |
| koen | bleh | 11:02 |
| koen | using the 770 makes me feel like a zaurus user | 11:02 |
| koen | spending hours and hours to find a missing deb and the only solution is "flash a new firmware" | 11:02 |
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| CountDown | konttori: From the N800 to a Mac OS Xserve. | 11:08 |
| CountDown | koen: what are you looking for? | 11:08 |
| koen | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/gregale/free/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.3.5-0.2osso1_armel.deb | 11:09 |
| koen | just found it | 11:09 |
| * koen wonders why the forum dude advised a reflash | 11:09 | |
| dieguito | weird question: my n800 has this sticker half transparent, half silver, it resembles a "pull here to remove plastic from screen" sticker, is that the purpose? | 11:11 |
| CountDown | It's there to pull off. | 11:14 |
| dieguito | then i guess it will stay there some more days... | 11:15 |
| dieguito | i want to buy those screen protecting stickers | 11:15 |
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| konttori_ | dieguito: Also, remove the screen protection sticker from the screen if you want less glare from the screen | 11:34 |
| konttori_ | There is one by default on n800 | 11:34 |
| konttori_ | Look at the very top of the screen, around middle and you'll see the edge of the sticker | 11:34 |
| dieguito | yes i've noted there's a sticker over the screen | 11:35 |
| dieguito | i don't want to remove it | 11:35 |
| dieguito | i don't notice the glare nor i have a spare protection sticker to put | 11:35 |
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| dieguito | that's why i was wondering if the silver sticker will remove the protection sticker | 11:35 |
| dieguito | because it's starting to get in the way | 11:35 |
| CountDown | It's very gratifying to remove the sticker. | 11:36 |
| CountDown | No, removing the silver sticker doesn't remove the screen protector sticker. | 11:37 |
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| dieguito | CountDown: then what's the purpose of it O_o? | 11:46 |
| CountDown | I have no idea. That's why I tore it off. | 11:47 |
| dieguito | ah another silly one, the headphones has this "box" in the middle of the cable, what is it for? and why is one of the cables longer than the other | 11:49 |
| JussiP | A) microphone B) for hanging it behind your neck | 11:51 |
| dieguito | i see | 11:52 |
| dieguito | :) | 11:52 |
| dieguito | another one | 11:52 |
| dieguito | is it normal that my camera grabs a confetti like image? | 11:52 |
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| maddler | morning... | 12:59 |
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| konttori_ | morning | 13:01 |
| konttori_ | I'm having trouble running gst-launch-0.10 gnomevfssrc /media/mmc2/Juanes.mp3 ! dspmp3sink | 13:08 |
| konttori_ | This file contains cover art in the id3 tags. robtaylor suggested that I use id3demuxer to sort it out, but he seems to be away and I'm unable to find the demuxer | 13:08 |
| konttori_ | I tried the following: gst-launch-0.10 gnomevfssrc /media/mmc2/Juanes.mp3 ! id3demux ! dspmp3sink | 13:09 |
| konttori_ | but I get errorenous pipeline: no element id3demux. | 13:09 |
| konttori_ | So, I tried adding gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, but apparently it isn't there either. | 13:10 |
| konttori_ | can anybody point me to a direction that might help me play such a file? | 13:10 |
| maddler | no clue... :( | 13:15 |
| konttori_ | Seems like the default player is able to play such files. Any idea on how to get the calls that that app makes? | 13:16 |
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| melmoth | I try to nstall maemo 3.1 in a etch (in a xen session)...I experience the traditionnal 'apt-get' cannot resolve name... | 13:40 |
| melmoth | wget can resolve name, there is a /etc/resolv.conf and nsswtich.conf mention dns for hosts | 13:40 |
| melmoth | any idea ? | 13:40 |
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| melmoth | crap i had to change /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf as well as the one in the scratchbox environment | 13:54 |
| melmoth | that did the trick | 13:54 |
| melmoth | \o/ i have a maemo development environment working in a xen image \o/ | 13:59 |
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| dieguito-zzz | why scratchbox has a x86 and arm target | 15:06 |
| melmoth | one to develop locally, and one to cross compile for the n800 | 15:06 |
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| kender | hi | 16:57 |
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| maddler | /wg 22 | 17:20 |
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| Pupnik_ | you know what would be nice? being able to transfer pics/films from digital cameras to 770/800 | 17:32 |
| Pupnik_ | i think all you'd need is the linux program digikam and a usb-cable with 5v external power | 17:33 |
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| zuh | Or just put the mmc/sd card from the camera in to the device ;) | 18:03 |
| `0660 | yeah | 18:06 |
| `0660 | that is so much easier | 18:06 |
| glass | yeah | 18:09 |
| zuh | Although, specially with 770 the amount of available memory will pretty much limit what you can do with the full-size images | 18:13 |
| zuh | (if manipulating them is the target) | 18:14 |
| Pupnik_ | i was thinking of viewing with gqview and movies with mplayer | 18:16 |
| Pupnik_ | obviously, with the 770 you can't transfer pics if you've just stuck the cameras mmc card in there | 18:16 |
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| glass | well, i'd imagine you'd be transferring them over the network rather than just copying from one card to another | 18:17 |
| Pupnik_ | right, but camera has no wlan | 18:18 |
| Pupnik_ | so usb=network | 18:18 |
| glass | yes, but you'd stick the mmc into the 770 and upload them then | 18:18 |
| Pupnik_ | heh.. no i have gqview and mplayer *on* the 770 :) | 18:18 |
| Pupnik_ | misunderstanding | 18:19 |
| Pupnik_ | the 770 makes a nicer presenter than the camera display | 18:19 |
| glass | yeah | 18:19 |
| glass | browsing photos from phones is nice | 18:19 |
| Pupnik_ | e.g. you're on the road, take snaps and films, then use 770 to show them to folks | 18:19 |
| sxpert | pity the bluetooth thing is sooo slow | 18:19 |
| sxpert | takes a good 30 seconds to grab a pic from the phone | 18:20 |
| Pupnik_ | digikam: Unmet build dependencies: kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.1-3) libexif-dev (>> 0.6.9) libgphoto2-2-dev libkipi0-dev libsqlite3-dev libexiv2-dev (>= 0.12) liblcms1-dev libkexiv2-dev libjasper-1.701-dev | libjasper-dev | 18:22 |
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| Pupnik_ | a native maemo app would probably just need libgphoto2-dev | 18:23 |
| `0660 | how about gthumb? | 18:25 |
| `0660 | that's at least what i use on the desktop and it does the job very well | 18:26 |
| `0660 | or should it only be used to download the pics? | 18:26 |
| `0660 | there's a command line client in gphoto2 which will do that job just fine | 18:27 |
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| sylvanthis | hello, i've got a question, i just bought a nokia N800, and i was wondering if the nokia uses the internal memory (256) or the microsd (128) as ram, or doesn't it use it and can i use them both for 100% ? | 18:50 |
| sylvanthis | also how can i install bash on my nokia N800?? the download link isn't active :S | 18:52 |
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| sylvanthis | is nobody active in this channel?? | 18:54 |
| Pupnik_ | hi | 18:54 |
| trenka | sylvanthis: n800 uses 128M sdram and 256 onenand | 18:54 |
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| Pupnik | the ram is seperate from the flash | 18:55 |
| sylvanthis | ok, so i can't use the sdram for 100%, because then the nokia can't run normally anymore? | 18:55 |
| `0660 | yes | 18:56 |
| `0660 | but you always add swap | 18:56 |
| `0660 | +can | 18:56 |
| Robot101 | sylvanthis: it doesn't use it as RAM, it uses it to store the OS | 18:56 |
| Pupnik | what Robot101 said | 18:57 |
| sylvanthis | the 256 that is? because the 128 was empty when i got it | 18:57 |
| Robot101 | or rather, the OS is stored on the internal NAND, and parts are loaded into the RAM when it's running | 18:57 |
| Robot101 | the mini SD is for your stuff | 18:57 |
| `0660 | mini sd is extra | 18:57 |
| Robot101 | you can put an internal SD, and an external SD, each with 2G | 18:57 |
| sylvanthis | ok, so i shouldnt fill the 256 internall one fully? | 18:57 |
| `0660 | i don't even have it in my n800 | 18:57 |
| Pupnik | sylvanthis: the internal 256 is not RAM | 18:57 |
| Pupnik | it is like a hard drive | 18:58 |
| `0660 | filling the internal 256 drive would be the same as filling up your c drive | 18:58 |
| Robot101 | it stores the OS and your settings, and anything you store there, but you can also store stuff on the two SD slots | 18:58 |
| sylvanthis | ok, but if i fill both to like 98%, won't my nokia have ram problems? | 18:59 |
| Robot101 | neither of them are RAM | 18:59 |
| sylvanthis | (i'm really a newby) | 18:59 |
| sylvanthis | ok, then how does it use ram? | 18:59 |
| sylvanthis | is that another chip that we can't touch? | 18:59 |
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| Robot101 | the programs which are running are stored in RAM | 18:59 |
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| sylvanthis | yes, like a computer | 18:59 |
| Robot101 | you can't normally store files there and "fill" it | 19:00 |
| sylvanthis | but we can't store our data (with a filesystem on it) in ram? | 19:00 |
| sylvanthis | ahhhh thnx | 19:00 |
| `0660 | exactly like a computer | 19:00 |
| Robot101 | it fills up when you more programs | 19:00 |
| sylvanthis | i finally get it | 19:00 |
| sylvanthis | because i thought it was really strange, for the nokia, to resize filesystem on demand, and allocating ram there | 19:00 |
| `0660 | actually you can store a file system in the ram :P | 19:00 |
| Robot101 | you /can/ use it to store files, but it's a bit daft because they will go away when you turn it off :) | 19:00 |
| sylvanthis | yes i know :P | 19:00 |
| sylvanthis | with tmpfs right? | 19:01 |
| `0660 | yeah | 19:01 |
| sylvanthis | ^^ | 19:01 |
| Robot101 | yeah, but that's not really useful, especially when you have so little RAM | 19:01 |
| sylvanthis | but now my other question? how do i get bash on it? | 19:01 |
| Robot101 | it's already there | 19:01 |
| sylvanthis | indeed :| | 19:01 |
| sylvanthis | how can i access it? | 19:01 |
| Robot101 | you need a terminal though, install osso-xterm from the maemo repository | 19:01 |
| sylvanthis | ahh ok :D | 19:01 |
| sylvanthis | linux without bash would be a little hard, wouldn't it, with all the init scripts and all :X | 19:02 |
| sylvanthis | i guess i need to think next time :) | 19:02 |
| `0660 | hmm | 19:02 |
| Pupnik | bash is a user-shell | 19:03 |
| `0660 | you must be talking about shell | 19:03 |
| sylvanthis | hmm | 19:03 |
| sylvanthis | i guess | 19:03 |
| sylvanthis | so the init scripts don't have #!/bin/bash | 19:04 |
| `0660 | in n800 ash is used as the default shell instead of bash | 19:04 |
| sylvanthis | but something else | 19:04 |
| sylvanthis | ? | 19:04 |
| sylvanthis | ash? | 19:04 |
| sylvanthis | never heard of it :P | 19:04 |
| `0660 | usually init scripts use #!/bin/sh anyway | 19:04 |
| sylvanthis | but /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash | 19:04 |
| sylvanthis | on my system at least | 19:04 |
| `0660 | there are so many different shells out there | 19:04 |
| Robot101 | sylvanthis: it can be any posix shell, ubuntu uses dash for example | 19:04 |
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| sylvanthis | really? is it a lot like bash? | 19:06 |
| `0660 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almquist_shell | 19:06 |
| sylvanthis | ^^ ty | 19:06 |
| sylvanthis | i gotto go eat :S | 19:06 |
| sylvanthis | ty a lot guys for helping me out!! | 19:06 |
| sylvanthis | (or girls) :P | 19:06 |
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| Pupnik | what's the absolute fastest way to blit to the 770 screen? | 19:09 |
| Pupnik | :) | 19:09 |
| Pupnik | there's a vague question | 19:10 |
| Pupnik | ok penguinbait has the coolest nokia desktop i've seen | 19:12 |
| Pupnik | http://penguinbait.com/fluxbox.png | 19:12 |
| `0660 | :) | 19:15 |
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| tigert | dieguito-zzz: you've got mail | 19:49 |
| tigert | Pupnik: most confusing at least :) | 19:49 |
| sxpert | tigert, AOL-legal is all over you :d | 19:50 |
| tigert | sxpert: haha | 19:50 |
| tigert | sxpert: would be nice to make N800 / 770's into mobile OSM plotters | 19:50 |
| tigert | dunno who would want to hack some python for this | 19:50 |
| tigert | just a simple gui: "big road"... "small road".. type road name | 19:50 |
| tigert | and then just walk/drive the line | 19:51 |
| tigert | I think it would be fun | 19:51 |
| tigert | and auto-upload to osm | 19:51 |
| sxpert | tigert, well, look at trimble's stuff for UI ideas | 19:51 |
| tigert | ? | 19:51 |
| Pupnik | i wish nokia would make something like the iphone, but with maemo and the 800x480 screen | 19:51 |
| sxpert | they make those integrated GPS/PDA with proprietary software that does that | 19:52 |
| sxpert | used by pro-surveyors. costs an arm and a leg | 19:52 |
| glass | Pupnik: i'd rather have it have an open os and 3g | 19:52 |
| Pupnik | glass, maemo not open enough for you? | 19:52 |
| tigert | sxpert: right | 19:52 |
| glass | open os meaning something to at least along the lines of symbian as far as 3rd party apps go, preferably maemo | 19:52 |
| glass | Pupnik: yes but it wouldn't be iphone like then | 19:53 |
| sxpert | I wish nokia would just stop using this malevolent thing called symbian in their phones. | 19:53 |
| sxpert | it's evil | 19:53 |
| glass | tell me about it | 19:53 |
| Pupnik | isn't symbian derived from the Psion OS? | 19:53 |
| * glass does symbian dev for living | 19:53 | |
| glass | epoc yes.. | 19:53 |
| Pupnik | i thought that was really good :/ | 19:54 |
| glass | still, it's the most open as far as wide deployment and lowish level access goes in phones | 19:54 |
| glass | Pupnik: well, since then they just kept adding layers and layers and layers.. | 19:54 |
| sxpert | s/layers/cruft | 19:54 |
| glass | well, just plain old shit really | 19:54 |
| `0660 | i feel sorry for you glass :) | 19:55 |
| glass | motos linux phones ain't no fun for example because you don't get to do native apps so | 19:55 |
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| kender | hi | 19:55 |
| glass | 0660: well, it's a living and looks good in cv | 19:55 |
| Pupnik | i'd like to program for portable devices for a living | 19:55 |
| sxpert | glass, eagerly waiting for the openmoko here | 19:55 |
| glass | yeah that should be intresting | 19:56 |
| glass | even then though, the platform should be quite stable | 19:56 |
| sxpert | already have an idea for a GPS app, related to a friends cargo transportation business | 19:56 |
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| glass | but for next three years, symbian is what i'm stuck with i'm afraid | 19:57 |
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| glass | i'd rather write j2me though, but with my exp i wouldn't probably get a nice job at that | 19:57 |
| sxpert | what sort of symbian stuff do you do ? | 19:58 |
| glass | mmf plugin stuff currently.. | 19:59 |
| glass | ..the security shit really sucks in v9 | 19:59 |
| sxpert | heard about it | 19:59 |
| glass | took a long time to get certs | 19:59 |
| sxpert | certs are way too expensive | 19:59 |
| glass | it's not just that, but getting them.. | 20:00 |
| glass | the drm cert especially | 20:00 |
| sxpert | hah... well, DRM being useless by design... | 20:01 |
| glass | yes | 20:01 |
| Pupnik | i'd like to see less pirated warez out there, if that were possible | 20:01 |
| sxpert | Pupnik, ain't gonna happen | 20:02 |
| Pupnik | a) commercial devs would get paid and b) open source would get a boost | 20:02 |
| glass | yeah | 20:02 |
| glass | and large scale (thousands and thousands) signing of passive content even is currently in a sucky state as far as symbiansigned goes | 20:03 |
| glass | etc etc etc etc | 20:03 |
| Pupnik | i lectured at a school and all the kidz were like 'why do i need open-source? i gotz all teh warez!" | 20:03 |
| glass | i could bitch about symbian problems all night long :) | 20:03 |
| sxpert | problem is, in a society where riches are obtained by generating bogus shortage of virtual something, you can't prevent real black market of the virtual thing to appear | 20:04 |
| Pupnik | wish i knew enough about symbian to be a conversational partner | 20:04 |
| glass | you don't wish :) | 20:04 |
| glass | if you knew | 20:04 |
| Pupnik | right sxpert | 20:04 |
| sxpert | you'd be in an institution right now | 20:04 |
| glass | and it hasn't really that much improved in the 4 years or so i've done this | 20:05 |
| glass | -> getting more booze | 20:05 |
| Pupnik | i had a psion mx5 and netbook, and epoc seemed nice and lightweight | 20:05 |
| Pupnik | anyway | 20:05 |
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| glass | they were best symbian/epoc devices from what i hear | 20:08 |
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| glass | anyways, i got into symbian because i got fed up with j2me's limitations | 20:09 |
| glass | fast forward some time from that i got recruited | 20:10 |
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| glass | on the basis of a not that great asteroid clone basically i put into freeware | 20:10 |
| glass | well it was a great game of course but not that finished :) | 20:10 |
| melmoth | oy ben | 20:11 |
| melmoth | oups | 20:11 |
| Pupnik | glass, were you in the TOME irc chat? | 20:12 |
| Pupnik | someone there was doing an asteroid clone - thought it might be you | 20:13 |
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| `0660 | what's the best way to disable ads from the n800 browser? | 20:18 |
| `0660 | it kinda sucks to have them there when i'm not use to have them on desktop | 20:19 |
| tigert | there is no easy way | 20:19 |
| tigert | I guess you could rebuild some ad-filtering proxy for armel | 20:19 |
| tigert | and use that? | 20:19 |
| `0660 | :/ | 20:19 |
| tigert | something might exist in debian in source package form | 20:20 |
| tigert | so it might not be that hard | 20:20 |
| tigert | but I agree | 20:20 |
| tigert | its a shock to visit some sites | 20:20 |
| tigert | <- havent seen ads in 5 years | 20:20 |
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| Pupnik | ooh i'm gonna try porting dillo to n770 now | 20:21 |
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| Pupnik | is there an arm version of a newer scratchbox debian devkit? this requires 386 target http://floopily.org/~robtaylor/scratchbox-devkit-debian_1.0.7_i386.deb | 20:30 |
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| Pupnik | heh ok that would be a good project - a hildonised dillo | 20:48 |
| koen_ | Pupnik: if you live in 1995 it might be | 20:54 |
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| sxpert | as long as it's only a dillo.. and not a dillo + d :D | 20:54 |
| Pupnik | i generally find that websites that don't work with dillo are not websites i need to be interested-in | 20:56 |
| Pupnik | porn, hollywood and youtube | 20:56 |
| Pupnik | not that opera on 770 is bad, i think it's a good general purpose browser, but dillo is really really fast for my serious browsing needs | 20:57 |
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| Pupnik | yeah a real native hildon port of dillo is needed, the gtk2 stuff is awfully slow | 21:17 |
| Pupnik | if anybody really is interested in getting it going with gtk2, here's a diff http://www.dillo.org/misc_files/gtk2.diff.gz | 21:17 |
| Pupnik | to be patched against cvs from oct 14, 2005 | 21:18 |
| Pupnik | 2003 rather | 21:18 |
| Pupnik | The porting task would be far from simple (if possible at all). | 21:19 |
| Pupnik | Dillo does not only uses GTK+ for the user interface but for HTML | 21:19 |
| Pupnik | rendering. | 21:19 |
| keesj | did anybody try the windows video chat client? my parents really have a hard time finding the 'add contact'. and i don't know how to help them. i am so deperate . they said 'why not just use msn' i feel like crying | 21:20 |
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| Tak | keesj: can you use rdesktop and help them? | 21:26 |
| keesj | they said that perhaps the program was not compatible. that was just to hard for me to cope with. I am a longtime open-source user. having to explain then that its msn that is incompatible was painfull. they called me geek . i don't know what to do. does the windows client need to be more simple,? | 21:27 |
| keesj | tak perhaps. | 21:28 |
| keesj | i just want them to see my 3 year old kid. i did not want to hightech them. | 21:29 |
| Tak | I tried to get my parents to use gaim on win, too | 21:29 |
| Tak | didn't work out | 21:29 |
| Tak | although they are using firefox finally | 21:29 |
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| keesj | yeas ago i tried gnomemeetting / netmeeting but that did not work either because of firewall problems. rdesktop is a good hint. they have adsl. | 21:31 |
| keesj | they live in france so i can't really go there very often | 21:32 |
| Tak | yeah | 21:32 |
| Tak | I think my parents are equivalent distance away - ~1500mi (so I guess that's like 2400km) | 21:32 |
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| keesj | 1400 km | 21:36 |
| Pupnik | is there a newer devkit-debian for armel target that will let me build debhelper 5 packages? | 21:39 |
| Pupnik | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/ | 21:39 |
| Pupnik | those all say _i386 | 21:39 |
| Pupnik | am i not understanding something? | 21:39 |
| Pupnik | hi unique311 | 21:39 |
| jumpula | your host is x86 compatible | 21:39 |
| jumpula | inside scratchbox you can build armel packages | 21:40 |
| unique311 | whats up Pupnik | 21:40 |
| Pupnik | ok i have scratchbox-devkit-debian_1.0.7_i386.deb | 21:40 |
| jumpula | which are for the target (device) | 21:40 |
| Pupnik | so i install that on the host? | 21:40 |
| jumpula | yes. | 21:40 |
| Pupnik | not inside the scratchbox target | 21:40 |
| jumpula | no | 21:41 |
| Pupnik | then i have to set up a new target and include that during setup? | 21:41 |
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| jumpula | yes | 21:41 |
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| Pupnik | thanks | 21:41 |
| jumpula | the devkit does not, however, contain debhelper 5 | 21:42 |
| jumpula | only debhelper 4.something | 21:42 |
| Pupnik | so i should forget about building anything requiring dependencies requiring debhelper 5? | 21:43 |
| jumpula | at the moment, you can edit packages to build with debhelper 4 | 21:43 |
| Pupnik | ok | 21:43 |
| jumpula | or you can use robtaylor's build with newer debhelper | 21:44 |
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| Disconnect | on n800, is a reboot loop expected when the battery is -really- low? (run it to 'off' and then leave it a couple weeks, start charging .. it'll go ok for a while, but if you try to turn it on it'll go into a reboot loop. pulling power+battery for a few minutes doesn't solve it, it just has to reboot until the charge gets high enough for it to be happy. seemed to recover fine after that..) | 22:24 |
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| maddler | qgil: hi, dude! | 22:33 |
| maddler | Disconnect: dunno, or at least I never noticed such a behaviour... | 22:33 |
| Disconnect | thought it might have been related to the 2 4gig non-spec cards (woot a while back) but pulling them did no good | 22:33 |
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| *** qgil changes topic to "maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://code.google.com/soc/maemo/about.html" | 22:34 | |
| Disconnect | (and they seem to work fine otherwise, so..) | 22:34 |
| maddler | qgil: I don't think so... | 22:34 |
| maddler | wops... I meant Disconnect | 22:34 |
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| qgil | maddler: I thought, I haven't said anything and already someone disagrees! ;) | 22:35 |
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| maddler | qgil: hahaha... | 22:36 |
| maddler | qgil: you know... better to prevent than to remedy! | 22:36 |
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| qgil | anyobody in ELC / Santa Clara CA / San Francisco Bay Area next week? | 22:40 |
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| keesj | qgil: nope | 23:09 |
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| qgil | keesj: i'm realizing that :) | 23:11 |
| qgil | anyway, it's a good chance to meet maemos in the US West Coast, if you happen to be around, let's meet | 23:12 |
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| keesj | i really would have liked to meet maemopeope@fosdem | 23:14 |
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| keesj | perhaps next year | 23:14 |
| qgil | we need to improve this face to face thing | 23:15 |
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| Pupnik | anything happening in europe soon? | 23:20 |
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| * Pupnik studies X and fullscreen | 23:24 | |
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| qgil | Pupnik: LinuxTag in Berlin? | 23:29 |
| Pupnik | hmm not bad | 23:31 |
| * Pupnik could make the trip as an excuse to do the LPIC 102 exam for cheap | 23:33 | |
| * Pupnik needs to figure out how to make a std x11 app do proper fullscreen on 770 | 23:36 | |
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