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| konttori_ | RC2 out!!!!! | 00:33 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1224/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0RC2.deb | 00:33 |
| konttori_ | KEWL! | 00:33 |
| konttori_ | Bug fixes! | 00:34 |
| konttori_ | Improvements! | 00:34 |
| konttori_ | Cure for aids! | 00:34 |
| Tak|work | Finally! | 00:34 |
| Tak|work | I mean, what aids, I don't have aids | 00:34 |
| konttori_ | Download! Test! Comment! | 00:35 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?group_id=234&atid=945 | 00:35 |
| konttori_ | Oh, the last link is for bug report. Not that they would be needed ;) | 00:35 |
| konttori_ | A little bit more detailed report on that cure for aids part is here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 00:37 |
| maddler | konttori_: let me give a try... ;) | 00:37 |
| konttori_ | oh, wait a sec, it was for the RC2 out part. | 00:37 |
| konttori_ | cool | 00:37 |
| konttori_ | you had the loop thing, right | 00:37 |
| maddler | yep... :) | 00:37 |
| konttori_ | Note bug: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=739&group_id=234&atid=945 | 00:37 |
| konttori_ | "There is the theory of the Maebius, a twist in the fabric of filesystem, | 00:38 |
| konttori_ | where directory becomes a loop." | 00:38 |
| maddler | you know... the bad guy... always playing bad jokes :D | 00:38 |
| maddler | lol | 00:38 |
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| maddler | ok... lemme try... and see if I can cause some more damage... :D | 00:39 |
| ||cw | what platform is the deb for? | 00:39 |
| maddler | cw... ? | 00:39 |
| maddler | N800 | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | I didn't ever test the recursion cutter, but then again untested code always works... right? .... guys? No? Oh well... hope it works | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | 770 as well | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | works on both | 00:40 |
| ||cw | cool | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | you just need python | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | If you don't have it on device, get it from here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 00:40 |
| maddler | looks like it worked! :D | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | cool!!! | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | did you have net connection open? | 00:41 |
| maddler | yep... downloaded covers... :) | 00:41 |
| maddler | but... | 00:41 |
| konttori_ | If you did, you should see some pretty artwork . (as you listen to only music with pretty artwork, right? | 00:41 |
| maddler | can't hear any sound... | 00:41 |
| konttori_ | Umm... click on a song? | 00:41 |
| maddler | yup... | 00:42 |
| konttori_ | DO you have master vol at a good level? | 00:42 |
| maddler | no sound... | 00:42 |
| maddler | at 100% now... | 00:42 |
| maddler | but you know what? | 00:42 |
| konttori_ | damn! I only tested on N800 latest firmware | 00:42 |
| maddler | not even clicks... | 00:42 |
| konttori_ | ? | 00:42 |
| maddler | no sound at all... | 00:42 |
| konttori_ | odd | 00:43 |
| konttori_ | try closing the app. | 00:43 |
| ||cw | rc2 isn't in the files list on the garage? | 00:43 |
| maddler | same | 00:43 |
| konttori_ | Perhaps something has crashed deices sound system | 00:43 |
| maddler | lemme reboot... | 00:43 |
| maddler | no... ok... sound is ok now... | 00:43 |
| maddler | lemme restart MediaCenter | 00:43 |
| ||cw | oh there it is | 00:43 |
| maddler | hmmm... not starting if launched from menu... known bug? | 00:44 |
| konttori_ | really? | 00:44 |
| maddler | yup... | 00:44 |
| konttori_ | Works on mine is perhaps not a good excuse ;) | 00:44 |
| konttori_ | Did you reboot? | 00:45 |
| maddler | not yet... | 00:45 |
| konttori_ | And it worked on first try? | 00:45 |
| konttori_ | Oh, if the sound system goes bad, it won't start at all | 00:45 |
| maddler | but sounds works now... | 00:45 |
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| konttori_ | yeah, but it has something that's jammed for media center. | 00:45 |
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| konttori_ | that's a known bug | 00:45 |
| maddler | ok... lemme reboot anyway... | 00:46 |
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| konttori_ | cool. thanks | 00:47 |
| maddler | I still love the feeling of being able to reboot my handheld over an SSH connection!!! | 00:47 |
| konttori_ | are you running on 2006 firmware? | 00:47 |
| maddler | N800/2007 latest release... | 00:47 |
| maddler | 770 is in the other room... | 00:47 |
| konttori_ | ahh... odd. Although I don't have much experience on that yet. | 00:47 |
| maddler | konttori_: feel free to bother me... :) | 00:47 |
| konttori_ | I did modify the gst init code today, so that might be causing the problems on being completely mute | 00:48 |
| konttori_ | by the way, try pressing the plus button the next time. see if it helps. | 00:48 |
| maddler | ok... at least it starts from menu now... | 00:49 |
| maddler | and sounds works fine as well... | 00:49 |
| maddler | maybe something related with upgrading? dunno... | 00:49 |
| konttori_ | might be | 00:49 |
| konttori_ | all right. Great ot hear that it's working for you | 00:49 |
| maddler | listening to "Barry Lindon" soundtrack... :) | 00:49 |
| maddler | pretty nice artwork... :D | 00:50 |
| maddler | s/Lindon/Lyndon/ | 00:50 |
| Tak|work | anybody using fceu on 2007on770? | 00:50 |
| robster | does the dates .install file work for people here? | 00:50 |
| konttori_ | I bought logitech wireless music system today to use ukmp better. | 00:51 |
| robster | listed on www.pimlico-projects.org/dates.html | 00:51 |
| robster | pimlico-project.org even. | 00:51 |
| konttori_ | plug in a small thing to you n800 and music goes wirelessly to stereo set. | 00:51 |
| konttori_ | Pretty neat. | 00:51 |
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| maddler | robster: I can give it a try... | 00:52 |
| maddler | wait... | 00:52 |
| konttori_ | hey. gotta go to bed. Thanks for sorting out the bugs maddler. | 00:52 |
| maddler | robster: any new release for Contacts as well? :) | 00:52 |
| maddler | konttori_: thank you for developing, dude! | 00:52 |
| konttori_ | I can't access the pimlico server. | 00:52 |
| konttori_ | Anyway. to bed. CU all! | 00:52 |
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| robster | maddler: nah | 00:53 |
| robster | http://pimlico-project.org/dates-maemo.install | 00:53 |
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| maddler | hmmm... no... the browser opens it... | 00:54 |
| maddler | no download... | 00:54 |
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| robster | hhhm | 00:54 |
| maddler | mime type? | 00:54 |
| maddler | should be: application/x-install-instructions | 00:55 |
| robster | yeh | 00:55 |
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| maddler | instead of "text/plain" | 00:55 |
| maddler | :) | 00:55 |
| robster | if you save it and then load it from the file manager i guess it works | 00:55 |
| robster | ? | 00:55 |
| maddler | yup... it should... | 00:56 |
| maddler | lemme see... | 00:56 |
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| maddler | yup... working... | 00:57 |
| maddler | hmmm... wait... | 00:58 |
| maddler | no... ok... my fault... looks like everything is working fine... | 00:59 |
| |tbb| | does pimlico support alarms? | 00:59 |
| robster | maddler: just getting a sysadmin to set that mimetype up. | 01:00 |
| robster | |tbb|: 0.5 | 01:01 |
| maddler | :) | 01:01 |
| robster | |tbb|: the goals for 0.5 are import, export and alarm stuff | 01:01 |
| maddler | pfff... sysadmins... | 01:01 |
| maddler | hihihihihih | 01:01 |
| robster | well its 11pm here and he's still on jabber ;-) | 01:01 |
| maddler | robster: any chance of being able to select partecipants from contacts? ;) | 01:01 |
| robster | maddler: woah, that is a bit hardcore. | 01:02 |
| maddler | well... being a sysadmin myself... ;) midnight here... :) | 01:02 |
| robster | maddler: what do you think this is, an Evolution killer? | 01:02 |
| robster | ;-) | 01:02 |
| maddler | hahahaha... | 01:02 |
| maddler | no... I just find it useful being able to get phone no. or address fro address book... | 01:03 |
| maddler | so that I can have them automagically placed in meetings' details... | 01:03 |
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| maddler | see what I mean? | 01:03 |
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| maddler | ok... I have to admit I've been using Palm and Agendus for years... :) | 01:04 |
| maddler | and Agendus is a _great_ pieace of software! | 01:05 |
| |tbb| | robster: import export from which application | 01:05 |
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| robster | |tbb|: to ics | 01:14 |
| robster | i should make it clear that I didn't write Dates. | 01:14 |
| robster | i'm just the current person to work in it. | 01:15 |
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| bipolar | kkito: I hope I can catch you online soon. I've got about 15 min here before I have to leave. | 01:45 |
| kkito | bipolar, hello :P | 01:45 |
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| bipolar | kkito: yay! | 01:47 |
| bipolar | kkito: you're alive! :D | 01:47 |
| kkito | of course :P | 01:47 |
| bipolar | kkito: how's it been? | 01:47 |
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| kkito | bipolar, what? my qt hack? | 01:49 |
| bipolar | kkito: yeah. there was a small discussion about it on the 4th. | 01:50 |
| bipolar | kkito: lots of interest | 01:50 |
| kkito | i have tap and hold and text input using the maemo builtin keyboard | 01:50 |
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| kkito | who is interested ? | 01:51 |
| bipolar | kkito: do you plan on setting up a public svn anytime soon so others can help hack on it? | 01:51 |
| kkito | well someday i will publish it, but i must to fix some bugs first | 01:53 |
| bipolar | kkito: k-s[WORK] was involved, and there was a post on the internet tablet forum. | 01:54 |
| bipolar | I've seen "I want QT" a few times. | 01:54 |
| kkito | then i'll try to publish something soon | 01:57 |
| kkito | a complete qt source or a patch, but first i must to clean some code | 01:57 |
| bipolar | kkito: I'm not sure what your resources are, but I've got a development box with svn and trac I use for my other qt project. | 01:59 |
| bipolar | I could set up a project and accout for you if you would like. | 01:59 |
| bipolar | darn... I gotta go. I'll msg you my email address. | 01:59 |
| bipolar | the site is dev.longbros.com. I havn't worked on the project since january though. | 02:00 |
| bipolar | You can go there an laugh at my code :P | 02:00 |
| * bipolar gotta go | 02:01 | |
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| kkito | bipolar_away, i have annotated your i email. i'll email soon when i have something ok to publish :) | 02:03 |
| killfill | hey.. | 02:23 |
| killfill | my 4G shdc stick data just got corrupted.. :-S | 02:23 |
| killfill | now i see why sdhc is not officially suported.. :P | 02:23 |
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| maddler | killfill: it happened on my non-SHDC 4G SD as well... :) | 02:41 |
| killfill | :-S | 02:41 |
| killfill | i dont remember what did i put there... | 02:41 |
| killfill | and none of the recovery programs are working.. :-S | 02:43 |
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| killfill | hm.. worst jet.. cannot re-format it.. | 02:47 |
| killfill | maddler: what did you do?... throw it in the toilet?.. | 02:48 |
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| maddler | no... reformat on my linux box... and back on N800! :D | 02:50 |
| killfill | the stick is halting windows | 02:57 |
| killfill | and freebsd.. | 02:58 |
| killfill | its like a device problem.. | 02:58 |
| killfill | not only the partition | 02:58 |
| maddler | sounds so... | 03:01 |
| maddler | it's strange anyway... | 03:01 |
| maddler | I mean causing bsd to hhang... | 03:01 |
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| killfill | yup.. well its hangs programs that try to read from the device.. not the hole | 03:02 |
| killfill | thing | 03:02 |
| maddler | hmmm... fdisk? | 03:03 |
| maddler | can it access the card? | 03:03 |
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| killfill | not for writing.. :-S | 03:09 |
| killfill | You will not be able to write the partition table | 03:09 |
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| killfill | actually the thing is freezing all IO operations.. | 03:15 |
| killfill | dammit | 03:17 |
| killfill | last thing i did was loading a contra ROM in mame.. :P | 03:17 |
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| unique311 | hello | 03:30 |
| killfill | hi.. | 03:31 |
| unique311 | what up killa | 03:34 |
| unique311 | whats new in maemo... | 03:34 |
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| * killfill fighting agains a sdhc device.. | 03:34 | |
| unique311 | i brought 2 2GB, figured i wouldn't need that much space... | 03:35 |
| unique311 | i'll wait till i see those 8GB come out... | 03:35 |
| unique311 | wait 8GB are out right? | 03:36 |
| killfill | yup | 03:36 |
| unique311 | i'll wait till price go down on them | 03:36 |
| unique311 | man i remember when 1GB was a big deal with Sd's | 03:36 |
| unique311 | i'm getting old..in computer years.. | 03:36 |
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| derf | I remember when 1GB was a big deal with hdds. | 03:37 |
| unique311 | wow..you're real old | 03:37 |
| unique311 | i don't remember 1Gb hardrives.. | 03:37 |
| derf | I still have a 40MB SCSI drive. | 03:38 |
| derf | When I got it, I was like, "Wow, I'll never fill this thing up." | 03:38 |
| unique311 | hahaha | 03:38 |
| derf | It still works, too. | 03:38 |
| unique311 | i saw a 500GB for 200+ at staples... | 03:38 |
| derf | Unlike the 18 drives that have failed on me in the past two years. | 03:38 |
| unique311 | or was it 300 | 03:39 |
| derf | That is, by the way, not an exaggeration. | 03:39 |
| unique311 | 18 | 03:39 |
| derf | Even the drive in my mp3 player failed. | 03:39 |
| unique311 | had no drives fail on me yet... | 03:39 |
| unique311 | you must be doing something wrong | 03:39 |
| derf | I had a drive fail, and then the warranty replacement failed in a week. | 03:39 |
| killfill | knowing your expertise about failed disks derf... what do you recomend me for re-partition this sdhc stick?.. | 03:40 |
| derf | Everythin was on a UPS, properly cooled. | 03:40 |
| killfill | when insterting it, it halts all IO.. :_S | 03:40 |
| derf | killfill: I don't know anything about SDHC. | 03:40 |
| derf | If it halts all I/O, I'd say you're going to have a real problem doing anything with it. | 03:41 |
| derf | Maybe some kernel driver writers would be interested. | 03:41 |
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| derf | I mean, it should at least provide them with an interesting test case. | 03:41 |
| killfill | dammit.. this toy just got 1 week of life.. :-S | 03:41 |
| unique311 | Smoove - Instant Desktop Migration Suite | 03:42 |
| unique311 | everybody seems to be excited about smoove.what is it? | 03:42 |
| derf | An Instant Desktop Migration Suite! | 03:42 |
| derf | I don't know what that means, either. | 03:42 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:42 |
| unique311 | lol | 03:42 |
| unique311 | i knew that much | 03:42 |
| derf | I did, too. | 03:42 |
| derf | After you told me. | 03:42 |
| unique311 | anyone wth a clue...? | 03:43 |
| unique311 | going once | 03:43 |
| unique311 | twice | 03:43 |
| unique311 | gues i'll wait till its out | 03:43 |
| derf | Normally this is what Google is for. | 03:43 |
| unique311 | i did | 03:43 |
| unique311 | trust me... | 03:43 |
| unique311 | google is god to me... | 03:43 |
| unique311 | which is sad, but true | 03:43 |
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| unique311 | was a big yahoo fan, until i found out about The GOOGLE | 03:44 |
| bhima|n800 | I was a big Lycos fan, until Google existed. :) | 03:44 |
| derf | AltaVista all the way. | 03:44 |
| unique311 | youtube is my second god.. | 03:44 |
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| bhima|n800 | Is there a way to turn off auto-repeat for keys? | 03:44 |
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| derf | unique311: Anyway, in this case, the answer really _was_ Google. | 03:59 |
| derf | Mainly, http://code.google.com/soc/maemo/appinfo.html?csaid=685804E112688BC2 | 03:59 |
| unique311 | its like an activesync program | 04:01 |
| unique311 | why not just call it activesync...copyright issues? | 04:01 |
| derf | I don't know. | 04:01 |
| derf | I doubt anything real will come of it in 3 months, anyway. | 04:01 |
| unique311 | are you poting anything derf? | 04:04 |
| bhima|n800 | trademark. | 04:04 |
| bhima|n800 | activesync is a microsoft prrroduct.. | 04:04 |
| bhima|n800 | hotsync is a Palm product. | 04:04 |
| bhima|n800 | trademark is for names of things and products and stuff. only short things. | 04:05 |
| bhima|n800 | copyright is only for things of at least some reasonable size. | 04:06 |
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| bhima|n800 | also doesn't cover things that are explicitly only functional without any creativity. So, "implement bubble sort using these instructions in 20 bytes" would be hard to copyright | 04:07 |
| unique311 | learned something new.. | 04:07 |
| derf | unique311: Not actively at the moment. | 04:07 |
| unique311 | i love this channel | 04:07 |
| unique311 | bhima you porting? | 04:08 |
| b0unc3 | it's possible to add a widget in a list store ? | 04:08 |
| b0unc3 | is* | 04:08 |
| derf | I did http://gjiten.garage.maemo.org/ for my trip to Japan last month. | 04:08 |
| derf | I should probably fix some bugs in it at some point. | 04:08 |
| bhima|n800 | I'm not porting. I am playing around with bluetooth OBEX stuff. | 04:09 |
| unique311 | http://intimate.handhelds.org/screens.html | 04:12 |
| unique311 | looks good | 04:12 |
| unique311 | wonder what miracles can happen with this.. | 04:12 |
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| bhima|n800^ | grr. | 04:14 |
| bhima|n800^ | 3 to 0 bars | 04:14 |
| bhima|n800^ | no warning. | 04:14 |
| PupnikzZz | bhima|n800^: i've heard that's been fixed | 04:17 |
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| * bhima|n800^ wimpers. I only just finished reinstalling everything. | 04:19 | |
| unique311 | http://intimate.handhelds.org/Packages.html | 04:21 |
| unique311 | these are arm dev packages. should i see if they will install in scratchbox..when i find them | 04:22 |
| bhima|n800^ | unique311: what's the goal...? | 04:23 |
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| unique311 | nothing really...Package : snes9x_1.32_arm.deb games | 04:25 |
| Pupnik | you don't need dev packages for generic arm to cross compile in scratchbox | 04:25 |
| rev | has anyone gotten the SNES games to play? | 04:26 |
| Pupnik | yep | 04:26 |
| unique311 | everything thats alrady done for initmate might be easy to port to n800 | 04:26 |
| unique311 | same arch | 04:26 |
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| rev | i tried an older .tgz Pupnik posted, they all segfaulted... i tried Zelda 3, marioworld, and ... one ther i can't recall | 04:26 |
| Pupnik | rev n800? | 04:26 |
| unique311 | thinking if the sources for those apps are around..it'll make life easy | 04:26 |
| unique311 | no? | 04:26 |
| rev | Pupnik: yup | 04:26 |
| unique311 | Pupnik.. | 04:27 |
| unique311 | nothing really...Package : snes9x_1.32_arm.deb games | 04:27 |
| unique311 | maybe this will run nicely..... | 04:27 |
| unique311 | looking for the repo right now.. | 04:27 |
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| rev | speaking of the N800 - does anyone know of a working version of the top-bar applet that I used to run on the 770... can't recall the name, but it provided a CPU/memory use graph, and when tapped, gave you a "Run" option, to edit a list of commands to run, etc | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | cool, somebody made a debian repository for dosbox packages of old dos games | 04:28 |
| rev | i installed the package from the OS 2006 770 but it didn't work | 04:28 |
| * rev LOVES DOSbox! | 04:28 | |
| rev | Pupnik: url? | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | http://dosboxed-games.sandbox.cz/tracker | 04:28 |
| rev | that's so rad | 04:28 |
| rev | thanks man | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | rev emulators probably should be compiled specifically for n770 and n800 | 04:29 |
| Pupnik | so you probably will never get a good n800 version out of me | 04:29 |
| rev | why is that? | 04:30 |
| Pupnik | only have a 770 for testing | 04:31 |
| rev | i mean, i've not had a problem running other emulators for the 770 on my N800 | 04:31 |
| sussman | DOSbox?? | 04:31 |
| rev | maybe i can send you a ROM, let me know if it works | 04:31 |
| Pupnik | sussman: i'm tweaking dosbox 0.65 and 0.70 for the n770 now | 04:31 |
| sussman | whoa | 04:31 |
| sussman | I have an n800 | 04:32 |
| sussman | seems like sometimes apps for the 770 don't quite work on the 800? | 04:32 |
| Pupnik | that's what i've heard. the PalmOS emulator i built doesn't display properly on the n800 | 04:32 |
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| unique311 | http://intimate.handhelds.org/debian/dists/ | 04:34 |
| unique311 | here's the repo, if you interested | 04:34 |
| rev | Pupnik: i stashed those 3 ROMs for you to try here: http://bitquabit.com/rev/files | 04:35 |
| rev | Pupnik: if you could, let me know if they work for you, could you? | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | yes one minute | 04:37 |
| Pupnik | rev those run with normal snes9x? | 04:42 |
| rev | Pupnik: yup, i use snes9x on OS X (intel) with no problem | 04:42 |
| Pupnik | are all games crashing for the maemo-snes9x? | 04:43 |
| rev | not sure, those are the only 3 i had found so far | 04:44 |
| rev | do you have one that works for you that youu could send me? | 04:44 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik which version of snes9x you ported? | 05:26 |
| Pupnik | 1.5 | 05:27 |
| unique311 | k | 05:27 |
| unique311 | did you have to modify anything? | 05:27 |
| unique311 | in order to port it | 05:27 |
| unique311 | or it just ported nicely | 05:28 |
| Pupnik | no it doesn't compile | 05:29 |
| Pupnik | i mean it crashes | 05:29 |
| Pupnik | at least on the 770 - give it a go on the 800 - if you can get it to run, give rev a copy :) | 05:30 |
| unique311 | i just build a freebsd 1.5 source..and it went smooth.. | 05:31 |
| unique311 | i just have to test a rom | 05:31 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/386489-ff6 | 05:39 |
| unique311 | i included something needed | 05:39 |
| Pupnik | ? what's that | 05:40 |
| unique311 | lol | 05:41 |
| unique311 | i don't know if i should say...a rom | 05:41 |
| rev | hehe | 05:42 |
| * rev gasps | 05:42 | |
| unique311 | might get a joystick error...use Pupnik's config file | 05:43 |
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| Markov_ | hello | 05:46 |
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| unique311 | failed.... | 05:49 |
| Pupnik | unique311: does it run on n800? | 05:49 |
| unique311 | starts framerate 20/60... but the freaking screen flicks.. | 05:49 |
| unique311 | redish color | 05:49 |
| unique311 | going up | 05:50 |
| unique311 | same issue i had with your first port | 05:50 |
| unique311 | what did you do to get rid of the blackscreen issue | 05:50 |
| unique311 | rev you got anything out of it? | 05:50 |
| Pupnik | i don't know unique311 | 05:52 |
| unique311 | you got it to work | 05:52 |
| unique311 | you don't remember | 05:52 |
| unique311 | i have a workikng version that i got from you... | 05:53 |
| unique311 | just the controls are not working.. | 05:53 |
| unique311 | left and right works | 05:53 |
| unique311 | all the games start up | 05:53 |
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| Pupnik | no idea why my build crashes on rev's device but not yours | 05:57 |
| unique311 | he didn't try my build yet | 05:58 |
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| unique311 | the new build is at 33/60 | 06:02 |
| unique311 | fast but no pic | 06:02 |
| unique311 | still seeing the struggling black screen with like a red rectangle | 06:03 |
| unique311 | i think i need to change the optimise setting in the make file | 06:04 |
| unique311 | what was the mtune line you wrote about this morning Pupnik | 06:05 |
| unique311 | for arm | 06:05 |
| Pupnik | that's for the 770 | 06:05 |
| unique311 | i know wikipedia give the one for n800 | 06:06 |
| unique311 | i just need the exact optimise flags | 06:06 |
| unique311 | ARM1136 | 06:08 |
| unique311 | thats the n800 | 06:08 |
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| Pupnik | what's the -mcpu for 800? | 06:10 |
| unique311 | ARM1136J(F)-S | 06:11 |
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| Pupnik | heh playing 386 games on nokia 770 now | 06:29 |
| Pupnik | so not right | 06:30 |
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| Markov_ | has anyone tried installing the Japanese char support? | 06:32 |
| derf | Yes. | 06:33 |
| Markov_ | did it work for you derf? | 06:34 |
| derf | Yes. | 06:34 |
| Markov_ | http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 06:34 |
| Markov_ | on n800? | 06:34 |
| derf | Yup. | 06:34 |
| Markov_ | hmph. i tried last night and it kept telling me the file was corrupt | 06:35 |
| Markov_ | trying again now | 06:35 |
| derf | What file? | 06:35 |
| Markov_ | i don't remember exactly what it said | 06:35 |
| Markov_ | it think it said the installer file... | 06:35 |
| Markov_ | but that doesn't make much sense | 06:36 |
| derf | Perhaps when you have more details, I can be of more help. | 06:36 |
| Markov_ | because it finishes downloading all 14MB | 06:36 |
| Markov_ | agreed | 06:36 |
| Markov_ | uno momento | 06:36 |
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| Markov_ | okay... that time download faild. let's try again... | 06:40 |
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| Pupnik | unique311: any progress on the snes9x for n800? | 07:36 |
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| Pupnik | anybody with dosbox on n800 want to test something? | 09:10 |
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| tigert | morning | 09:45 |
| tigert | http://www.flickr.com/photos/37082411@N00/456705798 < cute :) | 09:46 |
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| osphy | is there any difference between keypad lock and device lock in n800? | 10:08 |
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| Pupnik | heh @ tigert | 10:16 |
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| Pupnik | osphy, i dunno - do you ever leave your n800 lying around for people to take? | 10:19 |
| Pupnik | i bought mine because my laptop got stolen. with the n770 i can always put it in a pocket | 10:20 |
| Pupnik | and in my pocket, it doesn't need locking | 10:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 10:34 |
| Pupnik | i just discovered that Tak set some CFlags for use with Xsp pixel doubling - #XSP_CFLAGS=' -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -DXTHREADS -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API | 10:36 |
| Pupnik | not sure what they do yet | 10:36 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 11:11 |
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| konttori | hi all! | 11:19 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:43 |
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| * Jaffa wonders if the current LWN-driven thread on maemo-dev will result in any short term changes | 11:57 | |
| * zulla thinks that the Nokia developers would love to change a lot, but corporate policy forbids it. | 12:00 | |
| Pupnik | i have an optimised build of UQM for 770 now that is playable with software scaler | 12:01 |
| Pupnik | the -mcpu CFLAG made a big difference | 12:01 |
| glass | nice! | 12:01 |
| glass | hows the controls? | 12:02 |
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| dieguito | while there's sort of support for ogg vorbis in n800, there's no theora support isn't it? | 12:21 |
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| * dieguito understands theora as .ogg video | 12:22 | |
| Jaffa | zulla: I don't think "forbids" is the right word - it's just not a project priority (which is ultimately to sell more devices and make more money) to the project managers, so it doesn't get done. | 12:22 |
| lardman | dieguito: I thought it was just too slow | 12:22 |
| dieguito | I put a .ogg file on the sd card and I can't play it with anything | 12:23 |
| dieguito | I wonder if it's really theora encoded? | 12:23 |
| glass | isn't oggplayer a seperate program | 12:23 |
| glass | dunno really if the built in player supports it out of the box? | 12:23 |
| lardman | There is a seperate program, or you can install the gstreamer elements | 12:23 |
| dieguito | glass, at least not on my "out of the box" | 12:24 |
| lardman | It doesn't, but will do if you install the gstreamer elements & fiddle with the settings to tell it what ogg is | 12:24 |
| dieguito | lardman, hmm you mean this ones:http://kilikali.garage.maemo.org/? | 12:24 |
| lardman | yep, looks like a packaged version | 12:24 |
| dieguito | lardman, could you point me to how to "fiddle with the settings"? | 12:25 |
| dieguito | :) | 12:25 |
| lardman | It may be in that package, otherwise it's in the maemo multimedia howto | 12:25 |
| dieguito | let's see | 12:25 |
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| kulve | what do you want to know about kilikali? :) | 12:26 |
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| dieguito | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html ? | 12:26 |
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| lardman | dieguito: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html#plugins | 12:26 |
| dieguito | lardman, thanks I'll have a look at it | 12:26 |
| lardman | dieguito: np | 12:26 |
| lardman | dieguito: You have an N800 I take it? | 12:27 |
| dieguito | yes, just got here today | 12:27 |
| lardman | fine, just checking as that code is compiled for hardfloat | 12:27 |
| dieguito | the how it got here i's an epic journey | 12:27 |
| kulve | dieguito: I've planned about changing the kilikali meta package to a more generic n800 ogg support and adding theora to it | 12:27 |
| dieguito | kulve, I think it would be cool if you provide a ogg-support meta package | 12:28 |
| dieguito | you would be hero to many | 12:28 |
| kulve | I'll do it, but I don't know about the schedule.. Currently I don't even have a computer | 12:28 |
| kulve | I do have the libs and gst plugins already tho.. | 12:28 |
| dieguito | kulve, ? no pc? | 12:29 |
| kulve | argh. But they are in the harddisk on my table.. | 12:29 |
| kulve | dieguito: it broke | 12:29 |
| dieguito | oh I see | 12:30 |
| kulve | but I do have them on my n800.. if somebody wants just the binaries.. | 12:30 |
| lardman | function ben_Phase3 | 12:31 |
| lardman | ff=[0.005, 0.01, 0.05, 0.1, 0.5, 1, 5, 10] | 12:31 |
| lardman | for i= 1:length(ff)%1:10 %Excitation frequency (Hz) | 12:31 |
| lardman | f = ff(i) %i*0.01; | 12:31 |
| lardman | omega = 2*pi*f; | 12:31 |
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| dieguito | if I update the "tablet software" will I loose packages I have installed? | 12:31 |
| kulve | dieguito: yes | 12:31 |
| lardman | oops, did I just flood the channel? | 12:31 |
| lardman | ~lart the ctrl key on my keyboard | 12:31 |
| dieguito | mumble | 12:31 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/temp/vorbis-stuff.tar.gz was what I meant to paste, should have the binaries for you to play with | 12:32 |
| dieguito | kulve, and do I really have to charge the battery to 100% or it's just a safety measure from nokia to avoid half done installs? | 12:32 |
| dieguito | excuse my ignorance, what do I do with that | 12:32 |
| kulve | I think it's just a safety measure | 12:32 |
| nomis | dieguito: or plug in the power adapter. | 12:32 |
| dieguito | I guess that would do it too | 12:32 |
| dieguito | oh and why is the camera image like a confetti party | 12:33 |
| kulve | I think you cannot flash it while charging | 12:33 |
| dieguito | is that normal or mine is screwed | 12:33 |
| dieguito | kulve, now that you say it, I think it said somewhere to unplug power cord | 12:34 |
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| nomis | kulve: switch the device off, connect it via usb, start flasher, connect the power cord. The device switches on and flashing starts. | 12:34 |
| lardman | It doesn't shut down completely unless you unplug it, that's why it won't flash | 12:34 |
| dieguito | don't get me wrong, thanks for your help and tips but I still don't get the ogg thing, I'm actually a little more lost :P | 12:35 |
| dieguito | could someone recap? | 12:35 |
| kulve | dieguito: what do you want to? | 12:36 |
| dieguito | I just want to be able to play some .ogg audio files I have and ocassional .ogg videos I get on inet or podcasts or whatever publishes in .ogg video | 12:36 |
| kulve | playing oggs from mmc or over upnp is easy with kilikali. | 12:38 |
| kulve | the video part (ogg/theora) to kilikali is just planned, won't happen any time soon | 12:38 |
| dieguito | I see | 12:39 |
| dieguito | and what about system-wide ogg support | 12:39 |
| lardman | The tarball I gave above, contains the theora plugin if you want to try it | 12:39 |
| kulve | the kilikali-codecs -package adds audio ogg support | 12:39 |
| dieguito | kulve, so the deps of kilikali add ogg vorbis support system wide | 12:39 |
| kulve | but I don't know how many players would still play the audio oggs | 12:40 |
| kulve | dieguito: yest | 12:40 |
| dieguito | lardman, and your .tar.gz has the binaries for theora, which is ogg video | 12:40 |
| lardman | yes, but I've not tried it as I don't have any ogg videos | 12:40 |
| dieguito | which I understand is even less supported than ogg vorbis | 12:40 |
| lardman | My understanding from someone else who did try, was that it's too slow | 12:40 |
| kulve | theora played nicely with gst-launch | 12:41 |
| dieguito | lardman, try this one: http://www.redhat.com/v/training/ogg/RH033_REV3.ogg | 12:41 |
| kulve | the quality was good, imo | 12:41 |
| lardman | kulve: Most of the players use gstreamer so they should automatically support them after the plugin is installed | 12:41 |
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| lardman | dieguito: I've also just reflashed so don't have it installed atm | 12:41 |
| kulve | lardman: even the build-in? | 12:41 |
| dieguito | woo | 12:41 |
| lardman | kulve: Yes, the built in ought to do so, I think the only issue was getting the filemanager to recognise what to open them with | 12:42 |
| kulve | after kilikali installation, the FM opens oggs to kilikali :) | 12:42 |
| kulve | (with svn trunk version) | 12:42 |
| lardman | but I think that was also sorted out by following the instructions in the howto (something like that, so I read on the ml a while back iirc) | 12:42 |
| lardman | Is kilikali a player too or just plugins? | 12:43 |
| dieguito | in any case I'd first care to get /something/ playing ogg on the thing, then double click magic | 12:43 |
| kulve | it's a player | 12:43 |
| kulve | the codecs are in a separate set | 12:43 |
| dieguito | ah another silly one: was I supposed to get a mini sd card and a sd size adapter or just a sd card | 12:43 |
| kulve | I got mini card and an adapter | 12:44 |
| lardman | I see, well it must be based on gstreamer. I'd just change the MIME (?) settings to tell it to use the builtin player | 12:44 |
| glass | it takes full sized cards | 12:44 |
| glass | if talking about 800 | 12:44 |
| * dieguito realizes that what he thought was a sd card is the sd size adapter with the mini sd card | 12:45 | |
| kulve | lardman: the desktop files tell which mime types the app can handle. Adding application/ogg or audio/x-ogg to built-in player's desktop file could do the trick | 12:45 |
| lardman | kulve: Ah okay | 12:46 |
| kulve | but I really don't know if the built-in player has some hardcoded things.. | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | glass - sorry for delay, the uqm devs were helping me before going to sleep | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | when you get hold of a guru in IRC, you have to make use of the time | 12:46 |
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| Pupnik | can the 770/800 dsp decode ogg? | 12:50 |
| lardman | nope | 12:50 |
| lardman | lack of codec/dsp task rather than lack of power | 12:51 |
| Pupnik | ok i compiled libvorbisidec to include with uqm | 12:51 |
| Pupnik | the tremor lib | 12:51 |
| lardman | uqm is a game? | 12:51 |
| Pupnik | if an app is streaming mp3 to the dsp, can sdl apps still play back sounds? | 12:52 |
| Pupnik | yes ur-quan masters | 12:52 |
| lardman | ok | 12:52 |
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| Pupnik | ok | 12:52 |
| Pupnik | glass - no progress on controls yet. testing if the optimised build is actually yielding playable speed | 12:53 |
| glass | oke | 12:53 |
| konttori | what is the gst sink for ogg? | 12:54 |
| kulve | oggdemux? | 12:54 |
| konttori | ok. I'll try that later. thanks | 12:55 |
| dieguito | aha! battery full | 12:59 |
| dieguito | time to update | 12:59 |
| dieguito | btw, on windows I got this funny thing, I have 2 disks when I plug the n800, and only one has data, the other one is always announced as empty and without a disc on the unit... and on top of that I have TWO of each on "safely eject hardware" :S:S | 13:00 |
| osfameron | yeah, on linux and mac too | 13:01 |
| osfameron | of course on Mac, the nice thing is that you tell OSX to dismount them both... and then it remounts them for you! | 13:01 |
| osfameron | you see, the Mac is easy to use and helpful | 13:01 |
| `0660 | wasn't it that the external memory cannot be used at the same time as usb is used? | 13:01 |
| osfameron | it KNOWS that you want to risk losing your data by unplugging a connected memory stick that it just helpfully reconnected for you | 13:02 |
| osfameron | you can't get that kind of usability on Linux! | 13:02 |
| dieguito | osfameron, it's your weak mind that doesn't understand THE MAC | 13:04 |
| dieguito | ah I should backup my data | 13:04 |
| osfameron | No no! I've bought into the reality distortion field. It was WRONG of me to want to dismount both MMC cards. The Mac knew it. Silly me. | 13:04 |
| dieguito | there's no tango theme for n800 isn't it? | 13:07 |
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| dieguito | technology is too much for me | 13:09 |
| dieguito | another question: i saw this checkbox on settings manager, LEDs visible, what does that mean? | 13:10 |
| dieguito | which LEDs? | 13:10 |
| glass | the one on the button? | 13:11 |
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| dieguito | i guess | 13:14 |
| dieguito | it's a sexy blue btw | 13:14 |
| dieguito | whoever choose it deserves a beer | 13:14 |
| kulve | I think the blue led should be indicating that you have new msgs/chats/calls etc. Otherwise it should be idle. Like many phones do. But afaik, it doesn't do it | 13:18 |
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| dieguito | kulve, is it possible to control it? | 13:25 |
| kulve | at some level, yes | 13:26 |
| kulve | but I'm not sure how documented it is.. | 13:26 |
| kulve | if all | 13:26 |
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| jkyro | argh, can't ssh to my device | 13:31 |
| jkyro | says stdin: is not a tty | 13:31 |
| jkyro | ssh -t doesn't help | 13:32 |
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| jkyro | neither the ubuntu ssh nor the osso one work :( | 13:35 |
| dieguito | might be a sign of the final took over the tablets are going to do over us | 13:35 |
| dieguito | they will make us slaves for nokia | 13:35 |
| dieguito | we were so naive... | 13:36 |
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| Pupnik | microsoft is slavery | 13:37 |
| osfameron | I switched off the blue leds as I found them disturbing | 13:39 |
| kulve | same here | 13:40 |
| kulve | they were cool for a day :) | 13:40 |
| kulve | but as a real indication of something useful they could be nice | 13:40 |
| Pupnik | if you knew morse code, you could monitor #maemo irc with them | 13:41 |
| kulve | :) | 13:41 |
| lardman | Does anyone else find that the app manager is annoying when you're trying to install stuff - whenever you go back up a level (e.g. from user/applications to the root level) it plonks you back at the top of the list | 13:42 |
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| dieguito | kulve, that would have made a cool SoC project | 13:43 |
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| Pupnik | damn. planet lander sections are too slow even with optimized gcc | 13:47 |
| Pupnik | barely fast enough at 320x240 | 13:47 |
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| jkyro | ah, the device only allows 2 or so simultaneous ssh sessions, must be a pty limit or something | 13:51 |
| jkyro | /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max is 4 | 13:53 |
| dieguito | this n800 sounds makes me feel on final fantasy | 13:56 |
| dieguito | jkyro, i guess you should consider the "desktop session" | 13:57 |
| * Pupnik notices mplayer's pixel-doubling breaks when x11 cursor moves over window | 14:01 | |
| glass | isn't that some "feature" of the pixel doubling | 14:01 |
| glass | at least iirc someone else complained something similar.. | 14:02 |
| glass | with something else | 14:02 |
| Pupnik | i've been struggling with it for a couple of months, so i've also been whining about it | 14:02 |
| Pupnik | going to go back to the sdl 'fire' demo (on garage.maemo.org) and try to get doubling working with that | 14:04 |
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| mikemorrison | Pupnik: what is this doubling? is it sdl specific? | 14:06 |
| Pupnik | it's a little-documented feature in the 770's X implementation, interface is Xsp.h | 14:06 |
| Pupnik | while it's easy to 'turn on' via XSPSetPixelDoubling, a large number of circumstances turn it off | 14:07 |
| Pupnik | so the result is that the currently blitted area (sdl put_rect) is doubled, but other parts of the screen are 1x | 14:08 |
| Pupnik | i've been hacking with UQM's SDL implementation, pulling out page_flip() and locks, which has improved doubling to almost-reliable | 14:09 |
| Pupnik | but i still have no understanding of what, exactly is the problem | 14:09 |
| Pupnik | sample screenshot here: http://home.arcor.de/arnim.sauerbier/UQM_Xsp_SDL_Pixeldoubling_Problem.jpg | 14:10 |
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| mikemorrison | yikes. sounds (and looks) like a difficult problem to solve | 14:13 |
| Pupnik | this is not meant to criticise Nokia or Daniel, i'm grateful they put it in there, since it is a huge performance win for mplayer, fceu and xmame | 14:13 |
| Pupnik | i just wish i could use it, without completely changing the way the client program uses SDL | 14:14 |
| Pupnik | maybe beer will help | 14:15 |
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| mikemorrison | haha.. yes beer should do the trick | 14:18 |
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| Pupnik_beer | i needdocumentation on Xsp that explains what these CFLAGS are needed for -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -DXTHREADS -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API | 15:13 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | those cflags don't help at all | 16:03 |
| Pupnik_b1er | i'll make a video of the problem tonight when there's less ambient light | 16:04 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | in doubled mode, with xsp freaking out and doubling/undoubling 10 times a second, i still got minimum 17fps and an average of 21 | 16:07 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/emdebian/target/trunk/xsp/Xsp.c | 16:24 |
| Pupnik_b1er | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/emdebian/target/trunk/xserver-kdrive/xsp/xspmodule.c | 16:24 |
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| robtaylor | hey, does anyone build for gregale using sbox 1.0x? | 16:25 |
| Pupnik_b1er | static int ProcXSPRegisterDSPArea(ClientPtr client) | 16:26 |
| Pupnik_b1er | does that let me force a region to be pixel-doubled? | 16:27 |
| Pupnik_b1er | robtaylor: mistral here | 16:27 |
| Pupnik_b1er | EVENT SHALL KEITH PACKARD BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR | 16:29 |
| Pupnik_b1er | * CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, | 16:29 |
| Pupnik_b1er | * DATA OR PROFITS | 16:29 |
| Pupnik_b1er | Hahaha there's Keith again! He was doing the cool compositing stuff back in the 90s | 16:30 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | and he wrote that in 2004... | 16:31 |
| Pupnik_b1er | i bet he knew people would be yelping about Xsp for years | 16:32 |
| dieguito | who wants to test video calls | 16:32 |
| Pupnik_b1er | <-n770 | 16:33 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: mistral with sbox 1.0.7?! | 16:33 |
| Pupnik_b1er | that's what my /etc/apt/sources.list says ... the tgz i installed said 2.2 | 16:34 |
| Pupnik_b1er | and yeah i think 1.0.7 | 16:34 |
| * Pupnik_b1er hands robtaylor a b1er | 16:35 | |
| robtaylor | crazy, the instructions for gregale say sbox 1.0.7 butthe tell you to use sbox-config | 16:35 |
| robtaylor | smells of cheese to me :) | 16:35 |
| Pupnik_b1er | that's a mistake | 16:35 |
| Pupnik_b1er | ppl make em | 16:36 |
| robtaylor | and presumably you have to generate the virual debian packages by hand | 16:36 |
| Pupnik_b1er | ? i just pulled scratchbox in with apt-get from sid repository | 16:36 |
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| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: sbox 1.07 doesnt come with virutual packages for the tools in the debian-devkit | 16:38 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | scratchbox-core Version: 1.0.7 | 16:39 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: can you, inside scratchbox, dpkg -l devscripts for me? | 16:39 |
| Pupnik_b1er | dpkg -l devscripts | 16:40 |
| Pupnik_b1er | No packages found matching devscripts | 16:40 |
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| robtaylor | yeah, as i thought, need to generate the virtual packages | 16:40 |
| Pupnik_b1er | what for? | 16:40 |
| Pupnik_b1er | i am ig'nant | 16:40 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: for building debian packagages | 16:41 |
| Pupnik_b1er | but, i build them fine | 16:41 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: using dpkg-buildpackage? | 16:41 |
| Pupnik_b1er | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 16:41 |
| Pupnik_b1er | works | 16:41 |
| Pupnik_b1er | debhelper is only v 4 though | 16:41 |
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| robtaylor | yeah, i have a replacement debian devkit with the toold upgraded to etch tools | 16:42 |
| Pupnik_b1er | that is biting me a lot when i package newer sources | 16:42 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/scratchbox-devkit-debian_1.0.7_i386.deb | 16:43 |
| Pupnik_b1er | thhhhhank you :) | 16:43 |
| robtaylor | heh :) | 16:43 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: i also have a whole load of stuff useful for building python packages | 16:43 |
| Pupnik_b1er | i have to ignore python. brain full. | 16:43 |
| robtaylor | heh, good call | 16:43 |
| Pupnik_b1er | it's swapping | 16:43 |
| Pupnik_b1er | thanks again for the devkit, anything i need to be careful of before i dpkg -i it? | 16:44 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: shouldn't be any problems | 16:44 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: you'll need to regnerate your target | 16:45 |
| Pupnik_b1er | no prob | 16:45 |
| Pupnik_b1er | that devkit should help a lot of people, how can it be hosted more prominently? | 16:46 |
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| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: well, i'm gonna give it a proper version and put it up in a real repo | 16:47 |
| robtaylor | Pupnik_b1er: then i guess i can add it to the maemo wiki somwehere | 16:47 |
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| luck^ | hi robtaylor! I haven't had time to look at your repository yet. Maybe this weekend I will do it. There is some doc on how to use that tools to build python packages? | 16:48 |
| robtaylor | luck^: hey :) | 16:49 |
| robtaylor | luck^: well they're all just standard debian tools, as per the current python packaging guidelines | 16:49 |
| robtaylor | luck^: i need to write up a bit on the standard hacks i came up with to work around scratchbox's python | 16:49 |
| jumpula | robtaylor: how do you like the etch utilities? | 16:49 |
| luck^ | robtaylor, fine! | 16:50 |
| jumpula | robtaylor: no problems found? | 16:50 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: they're working brilliantly :) | 16:50 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: i've got a whole repo of python packaging built with them | 16:50 |
| jumpula | dh_gconf will give you problems | 16:50 |
| robtaylor | luck^: btw, new repo location: deb http://packages.codethink.co.uk/ bora main | 16:50 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: ah, i've not been building any gnome packegs | 16:51 |
| jumpula | i'll make a semi-official build available to scratchbox.org soon | 16:51 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: that'd roack | 16:51 |
| jumpula | and try to upgrade the rest of stuff to etch | 16:51 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: i should say, i've been getting sorly tempetd to do a build of sbox without python and start a python-devkit | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | or python-debian devkit, tbp | 16:52 |
| jumpula | not a bad idea | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | but i'm not sure if its not just better to start hacking on sbox2 | 16:52 |
| jumpula | one would have to make a dependecy to python devkit from various other devkits | 16:52 |
| jumpula | true | 16:52 |
| jumpula | sbox2 will solve many problems :) | 16:53 |
| robtaylor | jumpula: is sbox2 dead inside movial? | 16:53 |
| robtaylor | lle seems to have disappeared as well :/ | 16:56 |
| robtaylor | oh, its moved to freedesktop, cool :) | 16:56 |
| robtaylor | so its not dead:) | 16:56 |
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| zuh | robtaylor: lle is actively muttering insanities about sb2 on #scratchbox | 16:58 |
| robtaylor | zuh: ahh | 16:58 |
| ssvb | Pupnik_b1er: XSPRegisterDSPArea is only used on 770 to synchronize access to framebuffer between xserver and DSP, most likely you don't need it | 17:02 |
| zeenix | zuh: so are you going to continue educating robtaylor about sb2 or come to the beer festival? :) | 17:03 |
| Pupnik_b1er | ssvb: any ideas how i can prevent Xsp from disabling doubling constantly? | 17:03 |
| Pupnik_b1er | from what i can tell now, i will have to rewrite the whole sdl part of this app | 17:04 |
| ssvb | Pupnik_b1er: I did not look at how it is implemented on N800 yet | 17:04 |
| Pupnik_b1er | and draw the entire 320x200 screen every frame | 17:04 |
| Pupnik_b1er | n770 | 17:04 |
| zuh | zeenix: I'm not that familiar with sb2 (yet) myself, and I think I'll enjoy my beer privately this time :) | 17:05 |
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| Tak | Pupnik_b1er: why would you have to do that? | 17:07 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | because the pixel doubling is trashing the game display | 17:08 |
| Pupnik_b1er | only the currently drawn rect is doubled | 17:08 |
| Pupnik_b1er | then the doubling shuts off again a few milliseconds later | 17:08 |
| Tak | it shouldn't be doing either one of those things | 17:09 |
| Tak | you can set it to double the whole display surface | 17:10 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | hmm | 17:10 |
| Pupnik_b1er | SDL_Video = SDL_SetVideoMode (800, 480, 16, videomode_flags); | 17:10 |
| Pupnik_b1er | that's the video mode i set, and it's fullscreen | 17:10 |
| Pupnik_b1er | flags are SDL_FULLSCREEN, SDL_ANYFORMAT, SDL_SWSURFACE | 17:11 |
| Tak | hm - any change with HWSURFACE ? | 17:13 |
| Pupnik_b1er | i see fceu has a line screen = SDL_SetVideoMode(300, 1, 8, 0) :) but i don't think that's the real one | 17:13 |
| Pupnik_b1er | src/drivers/pc/sdl-video.c: if(!(screen = SDL_SetVideoMode(_xres, _yres, desbpp, flags | 17:13 |
| Tak | yeah, that's it (second one) | 17:13 |
| Tak | fceu redraws the entire game area every frame though | 17:14 |
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| Tak | (although not the entire screen | 17:14 |
| Tak | ) | 17:14 |
| Pupnik_b1er | right that's interesting to me, cause i get black display if i don't set the full screen | 17:14 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | btw Tak, i don't see the -mcpu CFLAG in the most recent FCEU source hosted at garage | 17:15 |
| Pupnik_b1er | fceu-0.98.12.maemo5 | 17:15 |
| Tak | not in configure or configure.in ? | 17:16 |
| Pupnik_b1er | grep -ri arm9 or mcpu returns nothing | 17:16 |
| Pupnik_b1er | nor mtune | 17:17 |
| koen | Pupnik_b1er: not even in debian/rules? | 17:17 |
| Pupnik_b1er | a recursive grep would find it, checking manually | 17:18 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | not there | 17:18 |
| Pupnik_b1er | grep -ri $string * is the programmer's friend | 17:19 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | i'll put the UQM SVN tarball up on my website tonight, and i'll youtube a video of the strange doubling behavior | 17:21 |
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| Pupnik_b1er | right now gotta run cheers and thanks ssvb and Tak | 17:22 |
| Tak | hmm, you're right, it didn't go in until 2 revisions after current | 17:23 |
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| bansteen | this is really a great place | 17:24 |
| bansteen | u guys helped me to install maemo | 17:24 |
| bansteen | I really appreciate a lot | 17:25 |
| Tak | that wasn't very nice of us :-P | 17:25 |
| bansteen | After the weekends I'll start with the hello world programe and eventually gtk | 17:26 |
| bansteen | see u later | 17:26 |
| Tak | hmm...does eero come in here? | 17:28 |
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| Tak | alternatively, what section would a bug about the info banners go into? | 17:31 |
| Tak | haf/hildon-libs? haf/desktop? N800/something? | 17:31 |
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| JohnMeacham | the n800 isn't a bad device to use gnumeric on.. only quibbles are that holding down to get the menu doesn't work, and it is way to easy to accidentally let go of the stylus during a drag or click accidentally... it would be nice to have a buttonbar across the bottom od the screen for things like 'undo' | 18:05 |
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| JohnMeacham | I was still able to whip up a little interest spreadsheet on the fly. | 18:05 |
| JohnMeacham | not that I condone the use of spreadsheets for anything. | 18:05 |
| Tak|work | heh | 18:05 |
| Tak|work | so nobody has any opinions on the bugzilla q? | 18:05 |
| zuh | hildon-libs, since that's where they are implemented? | 18:09 |
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| zuh | depending whether the bug is about the implementation or just the usage of course :) | 18:10 |
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| Tak|work | "Enhancements-IT2007 Enchantment requests to IT 2007 edition." | 18:26 |
| * nomis raises his wand. | 18:27 | |
| Tak|work | apparently that's persisted since 2005 :-) | 18:27 |
| lardman | JohnMeacham: It's a pain, when using gnumeric, that the keyboard keeps popping up and down. That's the thing I find annoying. | 18:30 |
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| s-ndh-c | anyone using this syncropated tool? | 19:23 |
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| s-ndh-c | it seems to transfer some files but then seems to hang | 19:29 |
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| s-ndh-c | does this syncroüated thing work for anyone? | 20:12 |
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| s-ndh-c | it seems to just hang after transfering some files | 20:12 |
| s-ndh-c | *syncropated* | 20:12 |
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| s-ndh-c | it transfered the first 2 files without problems but then just hangs when processing the next one | 20:13 |
| s-ndh-c | only difference seems to be the filesize | 20:14 |
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| pahartik | What is that built-in OBEX FTP client on File manager of Maemo 2.2? Is it open source? | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | yes | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | it's a gnome-vfs module | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | james henstridge once build debs for ubuntu, iirc | 21:47 |
| s-ndh-c | i`ll give up this syncropated thing just doesnt work for me | 21:48 |
| s-ndh-c | will search for something else | 21:48 |
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| pahartik | mgedmin: I like it because it retains file modification timestamps when I copy content (captured by camera) from Nokia 6151 | 21:49 |
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| * pahartik tries "gnome-vfs-obexftp" on Ubuntu Linux system | 22:01 | |
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| tigert | does it work good? | 22:47 |
| tigert | it should be integrated. theres a lot of good things in maemo that should be part of desktop linux too | 22:47 |
| tigert | like the addressbook thingy and presence framework | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | the gprs connection wizard is also very nice, but I suspect it's not open source | 22:48 |
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| tigert | yea, none of the GUI stuff is open I fear | 22:52 |
| tigert | but the frameworks are AFAIK | 22:52 |
| tigert | I mean, there is lots | 22:52 |
| tigert | it would be nice to have a voip chat too on gnome | 22:53 |
| tigert | I would think the telepathy + voip thing is open? | 22:53 |
| tigert | I havent looked though | 22:53 |
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| koen | tigert: iirc mission-control was opened up a while ago | 23:02 |
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| Pupnik | what do you think about 'tabletfan' who keeps measuring nokia tablets against windows machines | 23:05 |
| Pupnik | "oh with the new windows xyz i can sync with my windoze app" "it is so much better than linux" | 23:06 |
| pahartik | tigert: It seems to work well so far... Tried copying images over, it works on Nautilus and timestamps are not destroyed | 23:06 |
| Tak|work | Pupnik: so the mcpu opts went in 2 revs after the last release | 23:06 |
| Pupnik | ah ok Tak | 23:07 |
| Pupnik | about 5-10% speed increase, right? | 23:07 |
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| Tak|work | honestly I didn't really notice an increase | 23:07 |
| pahartik | tigert: URL I told Nautilus to access is "obex://[00:18:C5:E1:43:C1]/", after which I had to perform "Bluetooth pairing" | 23:07 |
| Pupnik | well emus are peculiar | 23:08 |
| Tak|work | one thing that *really* makes a difference for me is running with -nothrottle (which the latest xmaeme should do) | 23:08 |
| Pupnik | wtf is -nothrottle? a cflag? | 23:08 |
| Tak|work | apparently the sound emu code is so bad that it makes the graphics lag if they have to wait for it | 23:08 |
| Tak|work | a fceu flag | 23:08 |
| Pupnik | oh | 23:09 |
| Pupnik | i feel pretty honored that Daniel Stone and Keith Packard are at the core of my problem | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | especially keith, he's like one of the main dudes ever | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | i was bugging keith 12 years ago | 23:11 |
| Pupnik | eventually we got xgl | 23:11 |
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| Pupnik | and tak no you wouldn't be able to fix this problem | 23:11 |
| Pupnik | all due respect and all | 23:12 |
| Tak|work | good, less pressure on me | 23:12 |
| Pupnik | you showed the way - one of the few apps that used pixel doubling | 23:12 |
| Pupnik | and very solid debianization and stuff | 23:13 |
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| Pupnik | i learned a lot from your code | 23:13 |
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| Pupnik | but i'm not going to spend the next 5 months trying permutations of sdl usage | 23:13 |
| Tak|work | but it's so much fun | 23:14 |
| Pupnik | no no no | 23:14 |
| Pupnik | this 'smart doubling' must be defeated | 23:14 |
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| Pupnik | this 'rewrite your whole sdl app to obey Xsp' | 23:15 |
| Pupnik | this will not be permitted | 23:15 |
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| Pupnik | somebody out there knows the answer | 23:16 |
| Pupnik | daniel said it's a broken implementation | 23:16 |
| Pupnik | i want the workaround | 23:16 |
| Pupnik | you got lucky with fceu and xmame | 23:16 |
| Tak|work | indeed | 23:17 |
| Pupnik | i want the 'turn doubling on and leave it on' solution | 23:17 |
| Pupnik | i've gone through all of the fceu sdl | 23:18 |
| Tak|work | there's not much of it | 23:18 |
| Pupnik | yes but i'm slow | 23:18 |
| Tak|work | heh | 23:18 |
| Pupnik | but now i know what it does | 23:18 |
| konttori_ | Hey, has anyone been able to make video for new n800 firmware running 400x480 resolution (that has correct aspect ration)? | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | i'm just warning you, i'm not going to give up on this, until i die | 23:20 |
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| konttori_ | I assume nobody has, or nobody cares. Just wondering if I could have fixed media converter for N800 video. But oh well. nevermind. | 23:28 |
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| konttori_ | Seems like the 400x480 video is for mplayer user only. | 23:29 |
| pahartik | tigert: "gnomevfs-copy 'obex://[00:18:C5:E1:43:C1]/Kuvat' Kuvat" also works as expected, recursively and retaining metainformation... It is all sweet | 23:30 |
| melmoth | Polom polom... There is a vmware image fitted for maemo development somewhere.... | 23:33 |
| melmoth | Is there a xen vm image available ? | 23:33 |
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| tigert | pahartik: cool | 23:37 |
| tigert | pahartik: does obex:// work? | 23:38 |
| tigert | ie, can it probe devices? | 23:38 |
| tigert | maybe it wouldnt be hard to do a discovery vfs module that uses hcitool to scan for devices | 23:38 |
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| pahartik | tigert: "obex:///" did not show anything on Nautilus before I specified that device directly, now it shows "pahartik 6151", as that is "Bluetooth name" I have specified that device to show up with | 23:47 |
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| tigert | yeah | 23:47 |
| tigert | I guess it wouldnt be hard to write something that does periodic polls on bluetooth and populates the obex:/// with devices that do ftp | 23:48 |
| pahartik | tigert: "gnomevfs-ls 'obex:///'" prints "00:18:C5:E1:43:C1 (Regular, application/x-desktop) size 0 mode 200444 r" | 23:49 |
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| tigert | right | 23:54 |
| konttori_ | All right. LAtest firmware is able to play back 640x384 video. wicked. | 23:54 |
| konttori_ | Looks terrific! | 23:54 |
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