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| MDK | just returned to HEL | 00:22 |
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| killfill | hi | 00:23 |
| MDK | we smuggled over 100kg of luggage in total for 2 people free | 00:24 |
| MDK | yay for finair | 00:24 |
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| killfill | finnay can use my n800 in the inet.. :P | 00:25 |
| killfill | finnaly | 00:26 |
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| mv_ | welcome back mdk. 100kg of polish sausages? | 00:29 |
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| keesj | :) | 00:31 |
| killfill | what are the sites you guys go?.. (about the n800 obviously..) | 00:31 |
| MDK | mv_: actually, we brought around 1kg of polish sausages | 00:40 |
| qgil | killfill, not so olbvious: are you interested in the N800 as a consumer, in maemo development for this device...? | 00:41 |
| MDK | it's hard to get this kind of stuff here | 00:41 |
| qgil | mdk: what about an exchange: one Polish sausage for one Catalan | 00:42 |
| qgil | still have got some | 00:42 |
| killfill | qgil: boths. but first as a customer.. :) | 00:42 |
| killfill | i got already some report setted up, i.e. maemo, and maemo hacker.. but the app list is quite small ... | 00:43 |
| killfill | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories <--- is that all the repos avaible? | 00:43 |
| qgil | killfill: http://www.womworld.com/nseries/category/n800/ if you like this kind of stuff | 00:44 |
| * killfill boomarking .. | 00:45 | |
| qgil | killfill: internettablettalk.org for something independent | 00:45 |
| qgil | http://www.internettablettalk.com/ | 00:46 |
| killfill | yup.. got that | 00:46 |
| mv_ | Mmmm, sausages.... | 00:46 |
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| qgil | I wiosh I could continue with my maemo selecta! i.e http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/344 | 00:47 |
| killfill | i miss a big repo with all kind of proggies :) | 00:47 |
| killfill | (do you all?..) | 00:47 |
| qgil | will counterattack via maemo.org once the new site is uo & running | 00:47 |
| killfill | ah greate | 00:47 |
| killfill | yah.. saw tingert wanted to change the web | 00:48 |
| killfill | whats a nice email imap-ssl client? | 00:48 |
| qgil | something like that :) | 00:48 |
| mv_ | qgil: 'somebody' should go and create .install files for the catalogues listed on http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 00:49 |
| tortoise_ | has anyone succeeded in using osso_thumbnail_factory_load? | 00:50 |
| killfill | not all app listed in download.maemo.com are in a repo, are they? | 00:52 |
| qgil | mv_: you mean an install file to add a repo to your sourcs? | 00:53 |
| mv_ | yes. | 00:53 |
| qgil | hum, interesting | 00:53 |
| killfill | show me a "click here to add all repos" and ill definitly click on it.. ^_^ | 00:54 |
| mv_ | A .install file lists a package plus its repository. You can omit the package and then you just get the repository. | 00:54 |
| mv_ | The next version of the Application Manager can have more than one repository in a single .install file. | 00:55 |
| qgil | do you add a catalog without being interested in a specific application in that catalog? | 00:55 |
| mv_ | The AM in IT OS 2007 supports only one repo per .install file. That was stupid. Just didn't think of it. | 00:56 |
| mv_ | qgil: some people seem to do that. | 00:56 |
| qgil | aren't these people the same ones that know perfectly what a source apt is and are perfectly capable of adding it manually to the app manager? ;) | 00:57 |
| mv_ | Of course, "thou shalt not have too many repositories besides maemo.org" | 00:57 |
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| qgil | (I'm thinking of the risks of normal users adding 3rd party catalogs just like that and then complaining about the unstable stuff they get) | 00:58 |
| mv_ | We should make it easy for people to use the "extras" repositories. (I have no specific complaints.) | 00:58 |
| qgil | it is as easy as being interested in an app there and click install in the application catalog | 00:59 |
| mv_ | Yeah, you don't really see where something is coming from when you install it. | 00:59 |
| qgil | I can't remember if it can be easuly activated from te app manager beforehand | 00:59 |
| qgil | if a new repo needs to be installed you get a warning detailing the repo | 01:00 |
| mv_ | what is "it" in "it can be easily activated"? | 01:01 |
| qgil | I hope the application catalog gets in good shape and is incresingly used by users and maintainers - with proper tags and search engine + widely used ranks (and user comments) it could be really useful | 01:01 |
| qgil | it = extras repository | 01:01 |
| mv_ | Yes. I still think that it would be ideal to have just one repo on maemo.org that contains everything. | 01:02 |
| qgil | well yes, let's see :) | 01:02 |
| mv_ | That would allow the community to maintain the whole thing and make a properly integrated system. | 01:03 |
| qgil | yes, yes, i know, i know :) | 01:03 |
| killfill | you guys are talking about the two repos i.e. repository.maemo.org and repository.maemo.org/extras and make them one? | 01:03 |
| * killfill just got there was a /extra repo.. (adding it) | 01:04 | |
| mv_ | I know I am pushing too much against third party applications, and too much towards the "in Debian or bust" model. | 01:04 |
| qgil | in any case you probably need extra repos to separate things, like i.e. Ubuntu does | 01:05 |
| qgil | I mean more than one | 01:05 |
| mv_ | No its terminology class again.... ;-) | 01:05 |
| mv_ | s/No/Now/ | 01:05 |
| mv_ | There are repos, distributions and components. | 01:05 |
| qgil | I do mean completely separate repositories even in different machines | 01:05 |
| mv_ | Mirrors? | 01:06 |
| qgil | Nokia Corporation official software and Garage projects totally independent need to be separate | 01:07 |
| qgil | for the goodness of both | 01:07 |
| mv_ | Ahh yes, sure. | 01:07 |
| qgil | mv_: did you have a look at the maemo 3.1 repo? | 01:09 |
| mv_ | No, I'm pretty much in a Sardine-only world. | 01:10 |
| mv_ | (which is not good, I know) | 01:10 |
| qgil | it is good | 01:10 |
| mv_ | in what way? apt-get dist-upgrade works? | 01:10 |
| killfill | 3.1? | 01:10 |
| qgil | if it wouldn't be good we wouldn't maintain sardine, or do you think we are massochist? :) | 01:10 |
| mv_ | Heh, I meant, it is not good that I am ignorant of things other than Sardine. | 01:11 |
| mv_ | Ahh, I though you meant "maemo 3.1 is good" | 01:12 |
| qgil | any specialization implies ignorance | 01:12 |
| mv_ | doesn't make it good :-) | 01:12 |
| mv_ | I think it is a really good sign that you can dist-upgrade from maemo 3.0 to maemo 3.1. | 01:13 |
| qgil | stay in sardine, it is an exciting place to be | 01:13 |
| mv_ | Sardine is missing a good base definition. | 01:14 |
| qgil | I'm glad you are able to read the signs | 01:14 |
| mv_ | We are still based on maemo 2.1 or so. | 01:14 |
| qgil | ??? | 01:14 |
| qgil | sardine is in some ways ahead of maemo 3.1 | 01:14 |
| mv_ | Hmm, lemme try to explain. | 01:15 |
| qgil | that's what sardine is for | 01:15 |
| mv_ | If you decide to use Sardine, you need to install it. In order to install it, you need to start with a rootstrap for the SDK configuration and a IT OS FIASCO image for the device configuration. | 01:15 |
| mv_ | right now, the rootstraps that you are supposed to start from are still the maemo 2.1 ones. | 01:16 |
| qgil | got it | 01:16 |
| qgil | who needs to do what in order to get this updated? | 01:17 |
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| mv_ | In an ideal world, there would be nothing 'before' Sardine and Sardine would have its own rootstraps. | 01:17 |
| qgil | as said, stay in sardine, it is an exciting place to be, and work | 01:18 |
| mv_ | (Of course, in a totally ideal world, Sardine would be called "maemo unstable".) | 01:19 |
| qgil | f***, I just realized I have missed sardine in the text for the development section... | 01:20 |
| mv_ | *sniff* | 01:20 |
| qgil | let's see | 01:20 |
| qgil | https://garage.maemo.org/pm/task.php?func=detailtask&project_task_id=266&group_id=106&group_project_id=181 | 01:21 |
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| mv_ | qgil: Sardine was always meant to be a temporary thing until maemo itself has changed enough to make Sardine unnecessary. Let's not put too much weight on the "Sardine" name. | 01:24 |
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| qgil | mv_: of course, but the sardine concept needs to be explained even to new developers, they need to know it exists - and today it's called like that | 01:32 |
| mv_ | Yes, very true. | 01:32 |
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| mv_ | I am a bit worried that now when Sardine finally gets into its own (having significantly newer and exciting stuff), we might also be not too far away from renaming it to "maemo unstable". That would also be confusing. | 01:34 |
| mv_ | But these worries are of course not big. | 01:36 |
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| mv_ | (in case you didn't know, we now have Sardine unstable and Sardine testing. Sardine testing isn't useful yet, but should be soonish.) | 01:37 |
| qgil | mv_: what about "Developers willing to follow maemo's bleeding edge development should have a taste of [Sardine]. Very useful to test your applications against the latest changes." | 01:38 |
| mv_ | Yes, sounds good to me. | 01:39 |
| killfill | mistral is maemo 2.0 right?.. i.e. OS2006? | 01:39 |
| mv_ | killfill: yep. | 01:39 |
| qgil | "Developers willing to follow maemo's bleeding edge should have a taste of [Sardine]. Very useful to test applications against the latest changes." | 01:39 |
| killfill | i should not try to install mistral packages into bora right?.. | 01:39 |
| mv_ | killfill: depends.... :-) | 01:40 |
| mv_ | if you are prepared to do some open heart surgery... | 01:40 |
| killfill | heh | 01:41 |
| qgil | mv_: done, and now it's time to slepp | 01:41 |
| qgil | gute nacht! | 01:41 |
| mv_ | I think people have good success with many packages, but it is not officially supported. | 01:41 |
| mv_ | nukuu hyvin! | 01:41 |
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| killfill | mv_: hey.. things like this: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/xournal.. not all app pride binaries, right?.. in this case i would haveto compile one myself?. i guess with the dev enviroment? | 01:44 |
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| sp3000 | killfill: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-a69e80264c4827d59d13bf84dbf80ae16c987899 I guess | 02:46 |
| * sp3000 loves those heading anchors | 02:48 | |
| sp3000 | afaiui downloads.m.o isn't quite, um, "done" (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20422 etc) | 02:50 |
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| |tbb| | anyone around? | 03:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 03:10 |
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| |tbb| | is it new or do i havent reconized it before that if i hit a character at the soft keyboard and push the stylus upper then the character will be BIG | 03:11 |
| MoRpHeUz | hhmm...didnt realise that too | 03:12 |
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| |tbb| | its very beautiful and i love it, also for slash or other usefull things :) | 03:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 03:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | good to know! | 03:14 |
| |tbb| | there are much functions, | 03:14 |
| |tbb| | try to push the stylus to left or to right it work like backspace and space | 03:15 |
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| |tbb| | typing that way is very usefull | 03:15 |
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| |tbb| | hi unique311 | 03:15 |
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| unique311 | hello | 03:16 |
| |tbb| | have u run msf3 running on the n800? | 03:17 |
| unique311 | msf3? | 03:17 |
| |tbb| | metasploit | 03:18 |
| unique311 | yeah | 03:18 |
| unique311 | i did | 03:18 |
| unique311 | but the gui doesn't work | 03:18 |
| |tbb| | u mean the web iface? | 03:18 |
| unique311 | and i am not a big fan of console... | 03:18 |
| unique311 | yeah | 03:18 |
| |tbb| | do u have postgresql running ? | 03:19 |
| unique311 | but i got it to work...found the ruby package for maemo | 03:19 |
| unique311 | not sure | 03:19 |
| unique311 | how would i go about running postgresql, and would that make the web iface run | 03:20 |
| |tbb| | no no, u will need rubygem or something like that which isnt available right now? | 03:21 |
| |tbb| | -? | 03:21 |
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| Radar | bah, meant to get slimserver working with my n800 this weekend | 03:21 |
| unique311 | yeah...when i looked up the error i got from trying to run the web iface..i did find that | 03:22 |
| unique311 | have to update lots of apps tonight.. | 03:23 |
| |tbb| | do u have the latest bora image INstalled? | 03:24 |
| unique311 | yeah | 03:25 |
| unique311 | think it might be possible to use the n800 as a webcam...... | 03:30 |
| unique311 | notice if you have good lighting the picture is nice.... | 03:30 |
| Radar | think that was the idea, but it's a pretty poor cam | 03:30 |
| unique311 | i was able to use my phone as a webcam. running a a nice free software, | 03:31 |
| unique311 | as a webcam for my PC | 03:31 |
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| |tbb| | i wonder about the software keyboard, as i mentioned before if u push the stylus to the left or right while hitting a character it doing a backspace or a space, i would like to know if that is a new feature | 03:33 |
| |tbb| | btw. using the n800 as a spy cam would be nice too ;) | 03:34 |
| unique311 | found the coolest thing... | 03:35 |
| unique311 | http://www.comvu.com/comvu/Pricing.htm | 03:35 |
| unique311 | hope there's a linux version of the app | 03:36 |
| Radar | thee pepperpad intrigues me | 03:37 |
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| killfill | root.. | 04:11 |
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| killfill | oh.. rootme.. :P | 04:19 |
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| killfill | woot.. my 8G sdhc works.. :P | 04:25 |
| killfill | just as 4G tho.. :-S | 04:27 |
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| unique311 | hello | 12:43 |
| unique311 | anybody up | 12:43 |
| unique311 | anybody willing to port this app to maemo | 12:44 |
| unique311 | http://camorama.fixedgear.org/shots.php | 12:44 |
| konttori | hi | 12:45 |
| unique311 | hey | 12:45 |
| unique311 | http://camorama.fixedgear.org/download.php | 12:45 |
| unique311 | thats the source.. | 12:45 |
| konttori | I don't do c compiling. Don't have linux installed. | 12:46 |
| konttori | I had a look at the screenshots. What's so good about that soft? | 12:46 |
| unique311 | how's the uk mp going? | 12:46 |
| unique311 | have to update | 12:47 |
| konttori | Pretty ok. I had a few days vacation, so no deving in the past few days. | 12:47 |
| unique311 | k | 12:47 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=234 | 12:47 |
| konttori | Some new eye candy in 22 version | 12:47 |
| konttori | If you use dpad to scroll, it will add a half scroll frame so that it feels a bit more like 'proper' scroll. | 12:48 |
| unique311 | i'm still on 16 | 12:48 |
| unique311 | all the bugs out? | 12:48 |
| konttori | I was kinda hoping that this version would have weeded out problems with mp3 id tags that have odd charsets. | 12:49 |
| konttori | If that is true, then I'll go for the final 1.0 version pretty soon. | 12:49 |
| konttori | I've also added some support for ogg files (although on osx version now... soon for the 880 version as well) | 12:50 |
| unique311 | think i'm going to boot into ubuntu.and install scatchbox... | 12:52 |
| konttori | if you want things ported, doing it yourself is probably the best idea | 12:52 |
| unique311 | I know.... | 12:53 |
| unique311 | but i have no knowledge of coding..if i need to change stuff.. | 12:53 |
| unique311 | i do a hell of a job finding stuff out on google.. | 12:53 |
| unique311 | but that only goes so far | 12:53 |
| unique311 | is there tutorials on how to hildonize apps after porting.. | 12:54 |
| konttori | oh well, coding is easy. C coding sucks though. Code is not too readable and debugging may take ages. | 12:54 |
| konttori | But changing some small things should be easy enough for non coders as well. As long as you do minor changes. | 12:55 |
| konttori | anyway, if you have vmware player, I would recomend downloading the vmware image with preinstalled stuff rather than try to install scratchbox yourself | 12:56 |
| konttori | And of course, you can download vmware player for free | 12:57 |
| unique311 | I do have vmware | 12:57 |
| konttori | so, you can run the image in your xp or linux or whatever | 12:57 |
| unique311 | u have a link to the image | 12:57 |
| konttori | I think its this: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468 | 12:58 |
| unique311 | thanks konttori | 12:58 |
| konttori | np | 12:59 |
| konttori | if you have the time to test preview 22, try it out and let me know if you hit any bumps on the way | 13:03 |
| konttori | that should be something to do while you dl that torrent .. ;) | 13:03 |
| unique311 | cool | 13:04 |
| unique311 | bout to update now | 13:04 |
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| konttori | great. I hope you have at least 21 albums on your card | 13:10 |
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| unique311 | crash | 13:22 |
| unique311 | on a red hot chilli peppers song.. | 13:22 |
| unique311 | send you the track, email addy? | 13:22 |
| unique311 | kontorri | 13:23 |
| unique311 | konttori | 13:23 |
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| konttori | back | 14:14 |
| konttori | urho.konttori@gmail.com | 14:14 |
| konttori | so, crash happened while playing it or when loading id3 info ? | 14:15 |
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| konttori | unique311: Would be great if you could send the track as well. Thanks! | 14:22 |
| fish_ | damn, the maemo mapper page is still down, i need to get a route.. | 14:24 |
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| Magi | well, maemo mapper keeps crashing a lot, about every second time when I try to save a track. | 15:10 |
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| Magi | I wonder how the route finding works. I presume it hooks to some other route finding service(?). | 15:12 |
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| Appears | hi, has anyone got some complete portlistening of the Nokia 770 Internet tablet? | 15:47 |
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| kender | hi | 16:32 |
| konttori | hi kender | 16:32 |
| kender | hey konttori | 16:32 |
| konttori | what's up? | 16:34 |
| kender | here, reading the news from the feed reader | 16:35 |
| Veggen | mm, at last. my home server, that had a broken mirror, is fixed. I needed to reboot to fix it, so I was just waiting for another reason to reboot.... | 16:35 |
| Veggen | but after 2.5 years without mirror, I decided it was enough ;-P | 16:36 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:36 |
| konttori | Latest version of UK media player launched. Fixes annoyances and adds smooth scrolling for users with 10 or more albums. | 16:40 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1213/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview23.deb | 16:40 |
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| konttori | Most notable is flicker removal while doing the semi smooth scrolling with dpad. Also, dpad can be kept down. You press down and keep button down -> It will keep on scrolling until you take your finger off the button. | 16:46 |
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| Appears | has somebody a complete listening, of the ports for the nokia 770 ? in the maemo flasher category is some list, but the list , has not all ports meanings listed...because I read with some port, you can "unbrick" a bricked nokia 770, when it has an White screen of death(WSOD)...any idea where I could find a complete listening? | 16:49 |
| konttori | google it? If it has been said in irc or in forums, you'll find it using google | 16:51 |
| Appears | konttori, I also google it, but maybe I am just searching with the wrong keywords | 16:52 |
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| konttori | at least some discussion here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2221 | 16:53 |
| konttori | more in here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-4790.html | 16:53 |
| Appears | thx a lot konttori :) | 16:54 |
| konttori | probably doesn't help you at all | 16:55 |
| konttori | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-03-03.log.html | 16:55 |
| konttori | Search for layout | 16:55 |
| Appears | okay | 16:55 |
| konttori | disq: is saying that layout at 19:33 | 16:55 |
| konttori | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation | 16:56 |
| konttori | Search for serial console. | 16:57 |
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| konttori | or just click here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation#head-624502258b2bcc35bafc9f58f95416c05d49f41b | 16:57 |
| konttori | Hope that helps you to do whatever you were doing | 16:57 |
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| Appears | ah thanks there is the layout :) yeah thx a lot again^^ | 16:58 |
| konttori | np. I think you've been looking for that for a while | 16:59 |
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| JohnMeacham | does the n800 come with any SD cards? or should I order some now? | 17:36 |
| konttori | there's one 128 mb included | 17:36 |
| killfill | a 128 one | 17:36 |
| konttori | But you probably want to buy one more immediately | 17:36 |
| konttori | 128 MB goes to swap alone | 17:37 |
| derf | The device is inordinately more useful with at least a 2GB card in it. | 17:37 |
| konttori | But while you're in the mood for buying SDs, buy another as well | 17:37 |
| JohnMeacham | ah. cool. i wasn't sure I wanted to devote a 2G card to swap to keep wear down on it, but if it comes with a 128meg one, I will use that one for swap. | 17:38 |
| killfill | i wish i can see my IMAP folder with a program.. is there one or n800 already? | 17:39 |
| JohnMeacham | then just wait until the 32G SDHC cards come out and I can finally migrate my music off my Rio Karma :) | 17:39 |
| derf | Mine was actually pretty unstable with any card at all in the internal slot, so I don't even run with swap. | 17:39 |
| derf | killfill: I thought the default mail program it comes with supported IMAP? | 17:39 |
| derf | JohnMeacham: I think your Karma will still get better battery life than an N800. | 17:40 |
| dieguito | davyd: do you know where to get the linux.conf.au gnome t-shirt you posted on your blog some time ago? | 17:40 |
| JohnMeacham | most likely. and it plays OGGs :) | 17:40 |
| dieguito | the design I mean | 17:40 |
| konttori | Swap won't wear SD down. SD wear down is history these days. DOn't worry about it | 17:41 |
| derf | I was amazed it played FLAC. I don't think it did Speex, though. I could be wrong. | 17:41 |
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| derf | And they actually get internationalized tags right. | 17:41 |
| derf | The Rio Karma was sweet. | 17:41 |
| derf | Until it was discontinued. | 17:41 |
| JohnMeacham | derf: indeed. I still treasure mine... that would be a good OSS project, reimplementing most of its features in a very small portable package that can be put onto various devices such as maemo and whatnot. | 17:42 |
| killfill | derf: yes, but is shows only the inbox folder | 17:43 |
| killfill | im filetering to folder in the server.. so.. | 17:43 |
| derf | killfill: Oh. That's pretty suck. | 17:43 |
| JohnMeacham | I mean, rhythmbox and amarok are nice and all, but the small form factor and limited resources places other constraints... | 17:43 |
| derf | Of course, my inbox has like 25,000 messages in it, so it didn't even get that far for me. | 17:43 |
| derf | I just use webmail. | 17:43 |
| killfill | heh.. yah.. | 17:44 |
| killfill | i hate webmail tho.. anyway... | 17:44 |
| derf | It's not my favorite, but it works. Usually. | 17:44 |
| sp3000 | killfill: maybe you could get all adventurous with http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:44 |
| killfill | woot | 17:45 |
| sp3000 | hmm, "not working yet ... account editing, ..., attachments" heh :) | 17:46 |
| * killfill searching to binaries.. | 17:46 | |
| * sp3000 is under the impression it's at a stage where they'd be insane to do binaries | 17:46 | |
| killfill | ah.. | 17:47 |
| JohnMeacham | are 2G cards supported out of the box actually? | 17:48 |
| dieguito | oh boy I have issues I lost total notion of which channel I was | 17:48 |
| derf | JohnMeacham: Yes. | 17:49 |
| derf | 4G and up you need a kernel patch. | 17:49 |
| derf | But 2G works fine. | 17:49 |
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| JohnMeacham | cool. | 17:51 |
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| `0660 | some 4G cards work fine | 17:55 |
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| `0660 | at least i haven't had any problems with my transcend TS4GSD150 | 17:57 |
| konttori | sp3000: is modest already ready for end users? | 18:02 |
| sp3000 | not according to that page | 18:03 |
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| konttori_ | Hi all! | 18:57 |
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| konttori_ | I'm about to prepare for the release of uk media player. As the name of the player has been there for debugging purposes, I'm rebranding it for launch. My wife suggested the name: music garden or music office. What do you guys think? | 19:06 |
| glass | i'd rather have some unique name for an app | 19:07 |
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| glass | konttori_: because.. Results 1 - 10 of about 497,000,000 for music office. | 19:08 |
| konttori_ | thanks. good idea. that's a bad name | 19:08 |
| sp3000 | and only 46,200,000 for uk mp :) | 19:08 |
| sp3000 | (356,000 with quotes) | 19:09 |
| konttori_ | about the same as music garden. | 19:09 |
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| konttori_ | Ok, I'll have to think about the name a bit further. thanks! | 19:12 |
| glass | good luck with it | 19:14 |
| konttori_ | thanks | 19:14 |
| glass | we tried to find a name for a product last week | 19:14 |
| bill20r3 | ok, the gizmoproject client is kind of cool. | 19:14 |
| glass | spent a lot of paper on that one.. hard to find something that doesn't sound too bad and has a .com free | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: "Musicality" | 19:15 |
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| konttori_ | jaffa: thanks .. I'll consider it. Sounds like a good name. Almost web 2.0 name. | 19:26 |
| konttori_ | I was also thinking about tablet conductor. | 19:27 |
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| konttori_ | jaffa: musicality falls also into the google pit (1.5 million hits) | 19:27 |
| konttori_ | So, musicality is off. Has to be somewhat unique name. | 19:27 |
| glass | maybe something that sounds like musicality when pronounced | 19:27 |
| glass | or such | 19:27 |
| konttori_ | Something maybe with myy sign ;) | 19:28 |
| glass | hehe | 19:28 |
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| konttori_ | but then again, no-one knows how to write that either | 19:28 |
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| ||cw | konttori_: what's special about this player? | 19:31 |
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| konttori_ | Well, at the moment the browsing mechanism, but the name should also reflect that it will have upnp file access and file sharing in local network along upnp devices | 19:31 |
| konttori_ | for example if you have two N800s in the local net, you both open this player and will be able to browse each others music and move tracks both ways. | 19:32 |
| konttori_ | Although that is also a reason why I may postpone the renaming until the upnp stack is operational in it. | 19:32 |
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| smokie | Hi, i want to compile maemo-mapper in scratchbox for i386. Where can i get a deb pkg of libsqlite3-dev for i386 ? | 19:38 |
| smokie | I got one from debian, but i requires a newer glibc than maemo 2.2 has. | 19:39 |
| unique311 | can't seem to get the maemoappliance working | 19:41 |
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| jku | I'm planning on buying a gps (for 770/n800). Can anyone recommend a device? | 19:48 |
| tchan | well since USB host mode still doesn't work on the n800, buying a gps unit for it is kind-of pointless | 19:49 |
| jku | Also, is there any reason to buy something else than one of the cheapest models (about 80€ in Helsinki)? | 19:49 |
| jku | I was thinking of a bluetooth model | 19:50 |
| tchan | cheap GPS units are usb. For a bluetooth gps unit you're close to the price of some standalone handheld gps units | 19:51 |
| jku | I see, I'll have to look more carefully | 19:53 |
| mikemorrison | you can get a bluetooth gps for pretty cheap | 19:53 |
| tchan | at least in the usa anyways, handheld gps can be had < $100. usb gps units that work with a computer/handheld for displaying the maps can be had for < $50 | 19:55 |
| Disconnect | trek m3 is what i'm using, kicks butt with maemo mapper | 19:55 |
| Disconnect | (its one of the new ones, listens to cell towers and such to refine position. and it goes -forever- without a chage.) | 19:55 |
| Disconnect | charge | 19:55 |
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| mikemorrison | tchan: i don't see that on sites like www.semsons.com and buygpsnow.com. usually handhelds are much more expensive | 19:56 |
| Disconnect | (random side note, the 4g non-spec sd cards woot had a while back seem to work great in the tablet. yay.) | 19:56 |
| smokie | I own an Adapt 700. Its very new, but so far i am happy. | 19:57 |
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| tchan | a quick search on pricegrabber.com for "handheld gps" returns Magellan eXplorist 100 for $79 | 19:58 |
| Disconnect | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858702002 $99 for the m3 | 19:58 |
| bill20r3 | tempting. | 19:58 |
| tchan | Magellan eXplorist 300 for $100 | 19:58 |
| bill20r3 | add "bluetooth" into your search terms. | 19:59 |
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| bill20r3 | what apps use the gps besides maemomapper? | 20:06 |
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| smokie | Where can i get an i386 deb package of libsqlite3 for maemo 2.2 ? | 20:38 |
| sp3000 | apt-get install libsqlite3-0 ? | 20:38 |
| smokie | in scratchbox ? | 20:39 |
| smokie | => could not find package libsqlite3-0 | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | (or more generally, apt-cache search sqli) | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | mind you, I don't know if one exists, just checking if you've looked there | 20:40 |
| * sp3000 doesn't remember the maemo release numbers without a reference anyhow | 20:40 | |
| smokie | apt-cache search returns only libsqllite0. think thats the wrong version ? | 20:41 |
| sp3000 | I guess | 20:42 |
| smokie | i can compile from source, but dpkg isn´t happy about that :-( | 20:43 |
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| smokie | sp3000, your tip wasn´t bad. Looks like i only need to uncomment extra repositories | 21:02 |
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| smokie | Does anyone know how to simulate a gps device to maemo-mapper on scratchbox i386 for development ? | 21:17 |
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| Pupnik_ | musikue | 21:43 |
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| Pupnik | musikia konttori_ | 21:44 |
| konttori_ | musikia is better than musique or musikue. I'll take that into consideration | 21:44 |
| Pupnik | konttori_: nokimusi | 21:45 |
| Pupnik | just soem names with few google hits - nokimusi has 0 | 21:45 |
| konttori_ | nokimusi just doesn't make sense to me. | 21:45 |
| Pupnik | first four letters of nokia and music | 21:46 |
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| Pupnik | nokiplayr | 21:47 |
| konttori_ | But then again.. at least I run the prog on my osx and I consider that t least when the time comes for upnp access, I will try to get people to run it on their desktop pcs as well | 21:48 |
| konttori_ | So, that is why I consider the name to not to be solely linked to nokia | 21:48 |
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| Pupnik | kontiplay = 0 hits | 21:51 |
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| Pupnik | kontims | 21:52 |
| konttori_ | kontiplay is nice. ;) | 21:52 |
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| Pupnik | somebody already took 'mediaslug' | 21:55 |
| Pupnik | unbelievable | 21:55 |
| konttori_ | hmm... maybe uplay | 21:55 |
| bill20r3 | the linksys nslu2 is nicknamed 'slug' | 21:55 |
| konttori_ | that's kinda 'web 2.0' lingo compatible as well ;) | 21:56 |
| Pupnik | Interested in buying uplay.com? Asking price: $40000.00 | 21:56 |
| unique311 | maemedia | 21:57 |
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| smokie | I installed maemo-mapper in scratchbox i386 and nothing more except maemo 2.2 rootstrap. I can start mapper in xephyr, but map download fails. Is there an additional tool required to let mapper access the network ? | 22:17 |
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| Pupnik | smokie, check that you can get name resolution inside scratchbox | 22:17 |
| smokie | Pupnik, oh i can use `wget www.google.com` and get an index.html | 22:19 |
| Pupnik | interesting wget works here too | 22:20 |
| Pupnik | for other apps i have to add the host to /etc/hosts | 22:20 |
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| smokie | Pupnik, maybe hildon apps require some sort of tool or connection manager to get network access ? | 22:25 |
| MDK | try copying over your resolv.conf | 22:26 |
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| MDK | from your host /etc/resolv.conf to your sbox resolv.conf | 22:27 |
| smokie | MDK, where is the etc dir for my scratchbox user and target located :-() | 22:29 |
| smokie | MDK, oh found it | 22:30 |
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| smokie | MDK, but it doesn´t help | 22:33 |
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| MDK | possibly other problem than | 22:40 |
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| Tak|work | have you checked nsswitch.conf ? | 22:44 |
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| Pupnik | Tak|work: did you ever find faster 68000 cores (with JIT perhaps) that could be used in UAE, Hatari, fceu etc? | 22:50 |
| Tak|work | no | 22:51 |
| konttori | I guess cyclone doesn't have full 6800 core. Just what genesis needs | 22:51 |
| Pupnik | these emulators will probably drive my purchase of the N800 successor :) | 22:52 |
| Pupnik | dosbox 0.70 seems a bit more responsive than 0.65 now, but the vga graphics are hosed | 22:52 |
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| smokie | Maemo tutorial says that i need an 'apt-get install osso-ic-oss' to get network access for i386 rootstrap, but the pkg isn´t available. ??? | 23:05 |
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| Pupnik | smokie: i spend all my time in the armel target anyway | 23:10 |
| smokie | Pupnik, but it´s nice to develop and test on i386. | 23:11 |
| Pupnik | you can run the apps in the armel target, via qemu, on your PC | 23:12 |
| Pupnik | fyi i see osso-ic-lib and osso-ic-dev | 23:13 |
| smokie | Pupnik, hmm i expect the same (entwork) problems than. | 23:13 |
| shawarma | If my n770 doesn't boot (the progress bar makes it 80% of the way to the end and then starts over) is there any way to debug it? | 23:14 |
| smokie | Pupnik, osso-ic-lib and osso-ic-dev are installed :-( | 23:14 |
| shawarma | I added the herring repo and did a dist-upgrade. Apparantly, that's not a good idea. | 23:14 |
| unique311 | Pupnik, see how you manage to run pose on the nokia, you think apple's newton is possible on the nokia also? | 23:15 |
| Pupnik | is there a newton emulator? | 23:15 |
| unique311 | http://www.1000bit.net/lista/dati/newton.jpg not sure | 23:15 |
| Pupnik | shawarma: i can't think of anything | 23:15 |
| unique311 | http://dillernet.com/apple/2006/05/31/updated-newton-emulator-for-770/ | 23:16 |
| shawarma | Pupnik: Oh, well. Perhaps that will teach me not to do that. | 23:16 |
| unique311 | someone is working on a 770 | 23:16 |
| shawarma | Pupnik: I thought herring was not that dangerous. | 23:16 |
| unique311 | wrong 770 | 23:16 |
| unique311 | lol | 23:16 |
| shawarma | I don't quite understand this herring concept. Is it something akin to debian's testing? | 23:17 |
| shawarma | Or is it more like experimental? | 23:18 |
| Pupnik | good question shawarma, tell us if you find anything in search | 23:18 |
| unique311 | http://homepage.mac.com/dillera/PhotoAlbum6.html Pupnik | 23:19 |
| shawarma | Pupnik: Is that your way of saying RTFM? | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | shawarma: i don't know anything about herring and i'm curious | 23:19 |
| shawarma | Pupnik: My sarcasm-o-meter is broken atm.. | 23:19 |
| shawarma | Pupnik: Ah, ok. | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | unique311: yeah but where is the .deb for einstein? | 23:20 |
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| unique311 | http://www.kallisys.com/files/newton/Einstein/EinsteinPlatform2006-nokia770.tgz | 23:22 |
| Pupnik | http://test.maemo.org/support/planet-maemo/archive/month/2006/6.html | 23:22 |
| unique311 | time to see if it'll run on n800 | 23:24 |
| Pupnik | ./einstein: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 23:25 |
| unique311 | 770? | 23:25 |
| Pupnik | scratchbox | 23:26 |
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| konttori | Hey, did anyone get the picodrive working on N800? | 23:27 |
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| Pupnik | looking at the picodrive for gp2x now | 23:28 |
| konttori | it would rock | 23:29 |
| glass | that would be nice | 23:29 |
| konttori | fullscreen, full speed. | 23:29 |
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| glass | on n800 it would seem somewhat plausable | 23:30 |
| Pupnik | bleach... grab PicoDrive_0963src.rar and look at it | 23:30 |
| glass | knowing the perf on 107mhz s60's | 23:30 |
| konttori | yeah. Ngage ran it full speed with no audio. | 23:32 |
| konttori | so, this puppy should have no probs running it in 320x200 in double pixel mode | 23:32 |
| Pupnik | picodrive is a mess | 23:33 |
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| konttori | I can imagine | 23:34 |
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| konttori | But it should be enough to hack it to run. | 23:34 |
| unique311 | picodrive? sega emu | 23:34 |
| Pupnik | looking at cyclone now | 23:35 |
| unique311 | sonic the hedgeho..yeah | 23:35 |
| konttori | and cyclone is the 68000 emulator core that picodrive uses | 23:35 |
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| unique311 | hope this helps..... http://www.finalburn.com/mobile/source.html | 23:37 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: so, does it look doable? | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | well picodrive has a linux makefile | 23:38 |
| Pupnik | so it might be doable | 23:38 |
| Pupnik | it's broken here | 23:38 |
| konttori | Considering someone ported the symbian source of pico to gp2x, it should be possible to get the gp2x version running with minor modifications | 23:38 |
| konttori | Probably will take some fixing of the makefile and the code, but I hope you'll be able to figure it out. | 23:38 |
| Pupnik | ok what's breaking right now is gp2x/menu.c dependencies | 23:42 |
| konttori | sounds like a pretty good place to just drop and later replace with maemo stuff | 23:43 |
| Pupnik | ah there's a slightly newer release here http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,5,1801 | 23:45 |
| Pupnik | lots of emu sources there which might have clues to optimization for nokias - like dosbox, uae etc | 23:46 |
| konttori | true | 23:46 |
| Pupnik | oops that link was to the binary | 23:47 |
| konttori | Someone should look into those and then digg their fingers into how SDL has been implemented in nokia and fix up the blitting speeds of surfaces | 23:47 |
| Pupnik | konttori: have you used gprof on the nokia? | 23:47 |
| konttori | nope. | 23:48 |
| konttori | I was kinda thinking about profiling ukmp | 23:48 |
| konttori | But then I figured that the time is spent blitting anyway and dropped sprites and moved to surface blitting. Improved speed quite a lot | 23:49 |
| konttori | But then I hit the SDL roof and ... well, not much chance of improving blitting in python. | 23:49 |
| Pupnik | looking into gprof now | 23:50 |
| unique311 | pupnik which src version of picodrive you dl? | 23:51 |
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| Pupnik | PicoDrive_0963src.rar | 23:52 |
| konttori | pupnik: do you feel you need gprof to get picodrive setup? | 23:52 |
| unique311 | i found an 0.11 and 0.10 | 23:52 |
| Pupnik | no i'm trying to get Ur-Quan Masters up to playable speed | 23:52 |
| Pupnik | unique311: source files? url? | 23:52 |
| unique311 | ya | 23:52 |
| unique311 | http://picodrive.acornarcade.com/downloads/pico011src.zip | 23:52 |
| unique311 | http://picodrive.acornarcade.com/downloads/pico010src.zip | 23:53 |
| konttori | Pupnik: Ok. Fair enough. Would be great if you / someone could have a look at pico later on | 23:53 |
| Pupnik | yes, if someone with a clue would :) | 23:54 |
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| Pupnik | ok newer version for gp2x | 23:56 |
| Pupnik | http://notaz.gp2x.de/releases/PicoDrive/PicoDrive_120.zip | 23:56 |
| Pupnik | argh justa bin | 23:56 |
| Pupnik | lol | 23:56 |
| unique311 | heh | 23:57 |
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