IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2007-04-08

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keesjsorry Pupnik ' I don't think there is one00:00
Pupnikwell ffs.  i'll write one now00:00
keesjjust like that?00:00
keesjwho did the gpl flasher?00:01
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Pupnikdon't know00:02
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derfScreen de-blanking applet?00:22
Pupnik770 screen goes blank after unuse00:24
Pupnikeven when plugged-in to charger00:24
Pupnikdisplay brightness period and switch off display should really have 'unlimited' options00:25
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mrflakeshey all, is there a way to check the our tablet's battery level from the terminal?00:27
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TakI think there's a dbus call you can make, but I have no idea what it is00:30
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TakI think there's a dbus call you can make, but I have no idea what it is00:31
Takpupnik: pretty easy, just do a g_timeout_add for 59s that calls osso_display_blanking_pause00:32
Pupnikhow do i make that not take up cpu?00:33
* Pupnik has no experience with callbacks, dbus etc00:33
derfI don't think you're going to manage to execute something without taking up CPU.00:34
derfBut once a minute is not that bad.00:34
Pupnikif i wrote something it would run in a while loop taking up 100% cpu00:35
derfAnyway, I wrote a little daemon that lets you have separate brightness and screen blank timeouts for AC/battery.00:35
Takthat's what g_timeout_add is for00:35
keesjadd a sleep 60?00:35
derfAnd you can edit what the list of allowable blank timeouts are.00:36
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Takit uses the glib main loop to handle the timing00:36
Pupnikderf, can i download that please?00:36
derfI've found a 60 minute blank timeout is plenty.00:36
derfWell, the editing you just do with gconf editor.00:36
Pupnikfantastic derf!00:36
derfUm, sorry, not gconf editor, gconf-tool-2.00:37
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derfgconf editor doesn't let you edit list values for some reason.00:37
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Pupniki see gconf-editor, libgconf-2-6 and gconf200:37
Pupnikavailable for install00:37
Takofftopic, rocks00:38
derfgconftool-2 should already be installed.00:38
Pupnikah yes it is00:38
derfYou might want to use gconf-editor to find the value, though. I don't remember where it is offhand.00:38
derfSomewhere in system/osso.00:39
Pupnikderf, that won't install on it2006 :/00:40
derfOh, I'm using IT2007.00:40
derfI have no idea how to make something that installs on IT2006.00:40
Pupniki can build it00:40
derfThere's the source code (and plenty of extra crap besides).00:42
mrflakesTak: About checking the battery level from terminal, dbus-monitor --system will show you messages about the battery level but only after you physically click on the battery icon in the gui.  It would be nice to check the level if you were away from your tablet, for example over an ssh session00:44
b0unc3someone with experience on .desktop file (on it2006) ?00:44
derfmrflakes: dbus-send can be used to send those same messages.00:44
Takb0unc3: you have a specific q?00:44
Pupnikderf, acmonitor deb for IT2006 built...
b0unc3Tak: yes, I want to use a non-standard icon..00:45
Pupnikoh it should be renamed for IT2006...00:46
b0unc3... so I have copied my icon under /usr/share/icons.. with the 'logical' name like qgn_bla_bla00:46
TakIcon and X-Window-Icon00:46
b0unc3but when I use this 'logical' name in the .desktop, it refuse to load my icon00:47
derfPupnik: Basically, all you do is plug the thing in, change your brightness, and then unplug, and change your brightness, and when you plug it in again, it should go back to the last value it had while it was plugged in.00:47
derfSame with screen blank times.00:48
Pupnikyeah it wants libconic, which isn't available for mistral00:48
Takall the sizes? or which?00:48
derfYeah, it also tries to keep your network connection alive.00:48
Takand does it load in scratchbox?00:48
Takarg, brb00:49
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derfI don't know what you're supposed to do about that in mistral, but if it doesn't have some equivalent, you could always rip that part out, I guess.00:49
b0unc3Tak: I have not tested it on scratchbox, btw the icon size, permission and so on are right00:50
Pupnikderf yeah conic was added in bora00:51
* Tak shrugs then00:52
derfAll it's using it for is to find out when the network connection goes up and down, so it doesn't send out pings while it's down.00:52
Pupnikok derf, diving into it now00:52
derfI guess you could also just always try to send out pings, regardless of the state of the network.00:52
b0unc3it's very strange , because in it2007 it work fine...00:53
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Takheh, I get different .desktop behavior between it2006 and 2007 too00:55
wazquisim having some problems calibrating my N800,helhelcalibrating but it doesn't seem help...00:58
Takcalibrating the screen?00:58
b0unc3Tak: the problem is the icon 'logical' name. If I overwrite an existent qgn_bla_bla with my icon and use this 'logical' name, it work.00:58
wazquisTak: yes00:59
b0unc3hmm.. also with absolute path, no success.01:02
Pupnikderf, acmonitor working on 770 / 2006! :)01:09
* Pupnik does the bow-to-mecca thing to derf :)01:14
Pupniki'm going to raise the default dimming time for powered-in state - still seems to be 2 minutes01:17
Pupnikgconftool-2 -g "/system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout"01:24
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Pupnikgconftool-2 -s "/system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout" 960 -t INT01:27
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Sulisdoes anyone have a nice little bluetooth keyboard that they can recommend for use with the n800?01:29
Pupnikthinkoutside stowaway BT keyboard01:29
Pupniknokia makes a nice one too01:29
Sulisyeah, i saw the nokia one and wondered how it'd be01:30
Pupniki only have the stowaway.  after using it for two weeks, i was very fast on it01:30
Sulishmm, learning curve? you can't touch type on it?01:31
Pupniktouch typing was native speed, except for a pause to hit the FN key for numbers and symbols01:32
Sulisok, well that sounds good, i hate this hunt and peck stylus method01:33
ajturnerSulis - Frogpad01:35
Sulisisn't that horribly expensive?01:36
ajturnerhrm, I think $10001:36
derfPupnik: Does mistral have /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts ?01:38
Pupnikyes derf01:38
derfI just added a 3600 to that list (as well as possible_display_dim_timeouts)01:38
Sulis$150 for frogpad...01:39
Sulisneed to convert that01:39
Pupnik[30,60,120,300] but it seems to be accepting my long timeout despite it not being in the list01:39
Pupnikderf can one add to the list using gconftool-2 and have it appear in the display applet?01:39
derfPupnik: Yes.01:40
Pupnikwhat would be the command to do that?  is it persistent across reboots?01:40
derfgconftool-2 -t list --list-type=int -s /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts [30,60,120,300,600,3600]01:42
derfAnd yes, it is.01:42
Pupnikthat's huge :)01:43
Sulisand stuff like that is a ggood reason to get a keybord01:45
derfI do stuff like that over ssh when I'm near a real computer.01:45
Sulisyeah me too, for stuff likee that it isn't too much trouble01:47
Sulisfor chat and more day to day stuff on the n800 that's just not as conveniant01:48
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fuelfiveokay, I've modified the dev root fs, and it's time to flash it back to the device02:03
fuelfiveI have myRootFS.tar.gz, but I can't find tar2jffs2.sh02:03
fuelfiveto convert it to the jffs202:03
Pupnikfuelfive: a quick web search reveals many others having that exact problem02:06
Pupnikyou might need to check them out from the svn02:07
fuelfivei may have the answer02:07
fuelfivemkfs.jffs2 -r rootfs -o rootfs.temp -e 128 -l -n02:07
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fuelfivesumtool -i rootfs.temp -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 128KiB -l -n02:07
fuelfiveI will report back02:07
fuelfivehmmm... how do I get sumtool?02:13
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fuelfivelooks like i don't need it02:24
fuelfivenope, reboot loop :P02:26
kaatissumtool comes with mkfs.jffs202:36
srisomeone should fix maemo to not text complet passwords :)02:36
sriif my N800 falls into the wrong hands they have access to every password protected web page I got.02:37
kaatisfuelfive, check the file ownerships and permissions first02:37
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bhimasri: that's an issue with many, many systems...02:42
bhimaactually, I think MacOS X may not have that flaw. It won't let you display passwords manually.02:43
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bhimaAnd it only allows certain apps to extract passwords. If the app is changed, you need to authorize the change.02:44
Pupnikrtorrent kinda sorta works on 77002:45
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bhimaThe star trek theme confuzzled my n800.02:48
bhimaIt won't go back to normal graphics.02:48
Sulisi want to try that one02:49
Sulisbut not if it does that02:49
bhimaThe app icons are not replaced.02:50
bhimaerm, not replaced when you switch back to a normal theme.02:50
Pupnikbest you contact the author02:51
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bhimaOh, ok, he documents it.02:53
bhimaneed to un-install them.02:54
bhimait replaces files outside of the themes thing.02:54
Suliswhat do you have to uninstall?03:11
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Veggenhmm, people - what is the version of osso-filemanager on your device? (could it be that I've gotten a wrong package?)03:20
b0unc3osso-filemanager-ui 2006.50.203:22
Veggenmmf, ok. Not wrong package, then.03:22
Veggen(osso-filemanager probably is the same version, as on my device)03:23
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PupnikPlaying Daimonin Online RPG on Nokia 770!03:52
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Pupnikaah new osso xterm (advanced) supports font selection07:08
Pupnikbold monospace (courier) is *much* more readable! \07:08
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Smilezwhats happenin everyone07:41
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Smilezanyone got any suggestions for cool apps to load on this thing?07:52
SmilezI already got canola, mplayer, and some games07:52
bhimaPython. :)07:52
Smilezgot that on there too07:52
Smilezalthough, i installed some apps that dont have shortcuts anywhere on the task menu07:53
Smilezand though i have xterm installed, i dont know where the binaries are07:53
Smilezlike how do i start sshd?07:53
bhimaHrm. I don't remember. It either started automagically or there were very easy instructions. I need to re-install it soon.07:55
Smilezwhich did you install openssh or dropbeerssh?07:56
Smilezalso, how can i find out the ip of the tablet?07:56
Smilezi dont know how to become root07:56
bhimadropbear first, then openssh. openssh won't install if dropbear is installed due to dropbear installing a symlink called 'ssh'07:56
Smilezyou need both?07:56
bhimaI installed a home applet with my IP.07:56
bhimaoh, no, sorry, I mean I installed one, then removed and installed the other. :)07:57
Smilezwhered you get that?07:57, I think.07:57
Smilezlemme see07:58
Smilezdoes it only work on the 770?:07:58
bhimaIt works on the n80007:59
davydyou can install openssh and dropbear-server07:59
davydand then disable the openssh server07:59
Smilezwhy would i need to install both?08:00
Smilezi want the SSH server so i can configure some things08:00
davydinstall dropbear-server08:00
Smilezlike i want to try and get mplayer to handle embedded wmv files, etc08:00
davydit was designed for embedded whatsits08:00
davydlike wireless routers and such08:01
davydthe guy who wrote it used to have this old 486 laptop with 4MB of ram as his wireless router, which is why he wrote dropbear08:01
Smilezim confused. im trying to get opera to play wmv and mpg files right inside the browser08:01
* davyd shrugs08:02
davydI don't know much about that stuff08:02
davydI wouldn't mind some kind of adblock plugin though08:02
Smilezthats what im sayin08:02
Smilezthough they are working on minimo08:02
davydthe ads take up more space than the text on some webpages08:02
Smilezwhats bluetooth portscanning used for?08:03
Smilezhacking ppl's bluetooth cell phones? :D08:03
bhimahacking your own?08:04
davydno idea08:04
davydI still don't own a bluetooth phone08:04
Smileznor i08:04
Smilezthough im waiting for my sprint upgrade to get the new Upstage (
davydI would buy one, because my current phone is falling to pieces, but I want one without a camera08:04
davydbecause they just make it heavier08:04
Smilezyeah i can't stand cameras08:04
Smilezand they suck as cameras08:05
Smilezthough this Nokia really shouldnt have a camera either08:05
Smilezits awful!:08:05
davydphone or N800 ?08:05
bhimaMy first bluetooth phone was, erm, the first bluetooth phone. :)08:05
davydbhima ; when I bought my last nokia, which must have been oh... 6 years ago08:05
davydI decided not to fork out for bluetooth08:06
davydbecause I had no bluetooth devices08:06
davydnowadays the laptop has it, and so does the 77008:06
davydof course, I can't afford GPRS data rates in Australia08:06
davydso I'm not losing out ;)08:06
PupnikPicture of my COW Netrek client for the Nokia 770 (tinyfont version)
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Smilezwhats the username and password to ssh into the device?08:11
Pupnikroot / rootme i think08:13
Smilezdidnt work :(08:13
PupnikUr-Quan Masters Xsp / SDL pixel doubling problem snapshot:$008:13
Smileznm root/rootme worked08:14
Smileznow what kinda fun stuff can I do :D08:14
Pupnikyou can increase the length of time the screen stays bright08:20
Smilezi could change that in the control panel :D08:21
Pupnikyes display settings, but only up to 2 minuts08:21
Smilezthats plenty in my opinion.. but just in case, what would i edit?08:22
Pupniksee this:
Smilezthanks for the link08:23
Smilezare apps on and not on
Smilezalso, does this thing have quicktime?08:24
Pupnikit's a pretty active discussion forum08:24
Pupnikmaybe mplayer can do quicktime08:24
Smilezgood idea08:24
Smilezie7 just crashed08:24
Smilezgotta love windows08:24
Smilezim using firefox also, but using tor with firefox08:24
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srilastlog sri08:31
sribhima: true, but its somewhat worse on a mobile device..  my point is that file completing passwords is a bad thing.08:32
Smilezare there any image viewing applications that would let me turn an image horizontal so i can turn the tablet vertical and see it larger?08:34
Pupnikyeah i just compiled one08:42
Pupnikit's not finished08:42
Smileztru... did that yesterday right08:42
Smilezit'd be cool to get gimp on here :D08:42
bhimaPhotoshop CS3!08:43
bhimaTwo 8GB SD cards with swap would be more than sufficient :)08:44
Smilez <-- howd this person get a quick launcher on the bottom right?08:44
Smilezheheh... photoshop would melt this lil processor :D08:44
bhimaI used to use Photoshop on smaller processors.08:44
bhimaYes. PowerBook 160.08:45
bhima25MHz 68030, something like 12MB of DRAM.08:45
bhimaMonochrome laptop.08:45
Smilezthats insane08:46
Smilezmonochrome with image editing :D08:46
bhimaAnd a wacom tablet.08:46
Smilezthats hardcore dude08:46
bhimaI think that was Photoshop 2.508:47
Smilez <-- howd they get that quick launch?08:47
Smilezoooooooh, is there a template for making your own themes?08:48
Pupniksomebody made a star trek theme08:51
PupnikDOSBox on the Nokia 770 (pic, jpg)$+08:51
Smilezyeah i cant stand star trek, but i would love to make my own08:52
Smilezthe vista theme looks nice too08:52
Smilezbut i have some issues with some of the transparencies08:52
SmilezPupnik = ArnimS?08:55
PupnikPupnik is arnim's marketing man.08:56
Smilezmultiple personalities? :D08:57
Pupniknative ports of ultima IV and 5 coming soon08:57
Pupnikbut 5 is not so clean08:57
Smilezwhats that?08:57
Pupnikthe role playing game on the screenshot08:58
Smilezwhich screenshot?08:58
PupnikDOSBox on the Nokia 770 (pic, jpg)$+08:59
Smilezthat games mad old isnt it?08:59
Pupnikit's old yes09:00
Pupnikbeen released freeware now so it's legal to download too09:00
Smilezoldy but goody09:01
Pupnikwell EA still retains the copyright but doesn't charge for it09:01
Smilezi hear ya09:01
Pupnikthe port will be playable with stylus and dpad09:01
Smilezdo you have this UK media center?09:03
Smilezwith cd artwork, etc?09:03
Smilezdefinitely not better than canola :D09:03
Pupnikyeah the n800 actually is usable for media imo - those 2sd cards really help09:04
Pupniki prefer a mp3 player for the sound quality and to save space on the n77009:04
Smilezi still need to buy some nice mini sd ards09:05
Smilezwhoa.. someone has curse of monkey island on here!09:07
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Pupnikscummvm can play lucasarts games09:08
Smilezthats ridiculous!09:08
Smilezbut you need to have the game right09:08
Pupnikdirt cheap now - bargain bin games09:09
Smilezalright again i ran out of battery while using this thing all day so im going to bed09:11
Pupnikok cu09:11
Smilezgoodnight Pupnik, thanks again for the help. keep me posted on that gqview update09:12
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mikemorrisonanyone here make builds of their app(s) for the 770 and n800?10:23
keesjmikemorrison: yes that is what I try10:24
keesjbut no gui apps so far  (there are differences)10:25
mikemorrisonyeah i'd like to build my app for the 770 but i only have an n800 and i would like to know if i would need to make many changes to it.10:26
mikemorrisonmine is a gui app10:26
keesjthere are differences in the .desktop files and there are less libs on the 77010:27
keesjdoes it build on the gregale sdk?10:27
keesjusualy we can say that 770 work on the n80010:28
mikemorrisoni haven't tried . and what about sardine?10:28
keesjwhat was sardine again?10:28
mikemorrisoni think it was the latest hildon on the 77010:29
keesj2.2 is gregale10:30
keesjthe latesed and last it2006 release10:30
mikemorrisonyeah. so i guess sardine would be 2007 on the 770?10:30
keesjI am just guessing about that "last" thingy10:30
mikemorrisonhow do i set up the scratchbox with all these different targets?10:31
keesjwith the 2.2. release it is possible to install both targets on the same scratchbox10:31
mikemorrisonis it possible to use pbuilder?10:32
keesjI don't know what that is10:32
keesjI have installed a web based sdk yesterday with 2.2. and 3.1 installed10:33
keesjyou can find it on
keesjI guess that if you really only want to compile something for the 2.2 such a tool would be enough10:34
keesjthere are so much build tools10:35
mikemorrisonso how did you set the 2006 targets up? is it easy to do?10:36
keesjI am not sure they already work 100% but I have copied the 3.1 install script and changed ti to use the 2.2 rootstraps10:37
keesjthe sb-menu also is pretty user friendly10:37
mikemorrisonahh ok. maybe i'll have a look at the 2.2 script and just modify the target names10:39
Pupnikthat's totally cool keesj :)10:42
Pupnikcan i use that web interface for other rsh/ssh/vt things?10:43
Pupniki mean, can i download the scripts or is it part of a package?10:44
keesjPupnik: yes,10:44
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keesjit's called ajaxterm10:44
keesjeven moost key binding works (screen for exmaple works on ajaxterm)10:45
Pupnikthat can be useful for people to compare their scratchbox environment to a working one10:46
keesjcompare or compile packages10:46
mikemorrisonkeesj: hmm. i see there is no 2.2 scripts. i see why you used the 3.1 install script as the base10:46
keesjthis is the script I used
mikemorrisonsweet thanks10:51
keesjso cp -v files/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz /opt/scratchbox/packages/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_2.2_armel.tgz10:52
keesjcp -v files/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz /opt/scratchbox/packages/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_2.2_i386.tgz10:52
keesjI also renamed the downloaded 2.2 tgz files10:52
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Pupnikyou think you might be able to hit these keys in 90 deg rotated mode?11:57
PupnikIMG/Jpeg --$s11:57
PupnikA gimp of a potential PalmOS emu layout11:58
guru3the option to have that or the mirror image of it would be good12:00
guru3cause i could imagine sometimes you wouldn't want all the hardware buttons in the way12:00
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Pupniksure.  I'm just wondering if such a virtual keyboard is hittable12:01
PupnikI'm doing the palm Skin now12:01
Pupniki like the idea of a keyboard that looks somewhat conventional, so you can intuitively know where to tap12:01
Pupnikan alternative would be to copy a treo layout12:01
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sxpertPupnik, you'd have to do hit tests for each key, I guess12:04
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Pupnikas you can tell, the keyboard can't be pop-up and obscuring anything, since there's no way to tell when an input field has been selected12:06
Pupnikyeah sxpert12:06
Pupniksxpert:  what do you think about something like this instead?
sxpertyou'd still have to do hit tests.12:09
sxpertin the case of your first version though, it'd be simpler, as you can test the line in one go12:09
sxpertthen find which key with a table12:09
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dunsunhello guys12:33
dunsuni have just made some tests with socat and netcat on n80012:34
dunsunand i'm really disappointed12:34
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dunsunover wifi g .... router in the same room it runs max 100kB/s12:37
dunsunany suggestions ?12:37
Pupnikwhat encryption are you running12:37
dunsunno encryption12:37
dunsunrouter is linksys wrt54gl12:38
Pupnikthat's slower than what i see12:39
dunsunhmm you have tried too?12:39
Pupniknot with netcat12:39
Pupnikbut i get faster downloads than that with wget12:39
dunsunyapp i will try wget12:40
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dunsuni use socat for mplayer streaming12:41
dunsunand it was so slow with 400x24012:42
dunsunthen i found bandwidth bottleneck12:42
Pupniknever tried socat12:42
Pupnik"relay"?  what does that do?12:43
dunsuni'm just going to digg in it12:44
dunsunone more stupid quastione12:44
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dunsundo you use stock screen protector which is glued on n800's screen?12:46
dunsundo you still have it on it?12:46
Pupniki have a 770 but i've heard it scratches easily12:46
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dunsunyes i have been using my n800 for 1 week and it's been so scratched .. i can't see anything throught it12:48
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dunsunstylus scratches it a lot12:49
dunsunyour experiences??12:51
Pupnik770 doesn't scratch12:53
dunsunpupnik thanks for your comments12:57
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Pupnikok that keyboard is too small for input...13:07
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Jaffadunsun: that's a shipping screen protector, not a stylus-use screen protector13:13
Jaffac.f. the flimsy plastic covering mobile phone screens etc.13:13
Pupnikhe's gone13:16
Pupniki didn't know that :)13:16
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|tbb|anyone knows Superbia13:39
|tbb|a nickname13:41
Pupnikknow any advanced computer science students?13:48
Pupnikwriting an ARM JIT compiler for DOSBox would be a good project13:49
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Pupnikhi kender14:05
kenderhey Pupnik14:05
* Pupnik 'tests' ultima IV (Xu4) some more14:06
ni3w4zn3Pupnik: I just came back - do you think seriously about this compiler?14:06
Pupnikno ni3w4zn314:07
Pupniki am just thinking there are too many stupid people like me on the planet14:07
Pupnikand not enough smart people who can write JIT compilers14:07
ni3w4zn3I am writing now small compiler (as part of my project) for language similar to C++14:08
ni3w4zn3but I am thinking about something opensource during holidays14:08
ni3w4zn3in fact this JIT can be interesting...and useful for somebody14:09
Pupnikyes there's a framework for it called libjit14:09
Pupnikalso a sample of x86 code compiled to arm .elf format14:09
ni3w4zn3hmm any links?14:10
ni3w4zn3;) (i am lazy - as all IT students:))14:10
ni3w4zn3ok I need to go - all friends arrived for a dinner.........14:12
Pupnikok cheers and happy easter14:13
ni3w4zn3have a nice easter guys14:13
keesjbut why does c++ need a jit?14:22
keesjso allow scripting?14:22
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keesjso = to14:23
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dunsunI was trying to stream videos to my n800 from my PC using socat and also netcat. Video was stoping. The reason is that I17:28
dunsunam not able to go over 100kB/s barrier when streaming over WIFI (Linksys wrt54gl in my room - signal stregth 100%).17:29
dunsuni have tried only a pure wget with very similar results.17:30
dunsunany suggestions?17:30
rvallesno idea, but have you tried NFS, HTTP or anything else beyond netcat?17:30
rvallesdoes it cut then?17:31
dunsunnope it does not cut17:31
rvallesmaybe your video player doesn't buffer when you throw a pipeline at it.17:31
dunsunit is only slow17:31
dunsunnope it is not caused by player17:31
rvalles16:29:45 <    dunsun> i have tried only a pure wget with very similar results.17:32
rvallesthat's more interesting17:32
dunsunwith wget which only downloads something i am getting same results17:32
rvallesso the video playing part is irrelevant, and you just don't get more than 100KB/s?17:32
dunsunyes exactly17:33
dunsunsometimes 110kB/s17:33
dunsunbut no more17:33
dunsuni think it is n800's HW bottleneck17:34
rvalleswhat's the link speed?17:34
rvallesthe one shown by iwconfig17:34
bilboedyou sure the socat stream works fine on a desktop computer ?17:34
dunsun100% signal strentgh17:34
dunsunyes i am sure17:35
rvallesdunsun: does iwconfig tell you you're connected at 54MB/s?17:35
dunsunit's not about streaming17:35
rvallesdunsun: or you're just assuming it?17:35
dunsunas normal download is slow too17:35
dunsunit tells 54Mhz17:36
dunsuni need anyone to try wget to download something17:38
dunsunon n80017:38
dunsunand we will see if it is nokia bottleneck or router17:39
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dunsunstill there ?17:42
dunsunhmm nobody knows ?17:55
glassprobably just not that many people around today17:56
dunsuni need to know as i could add it to nokia's bugs pages17:57
dunsunhmm it's pity17:57
dunsunmaybe tomorow17:57
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`0660dunsun, i'm able to get about 400KB/s with scp18:19
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dunsunoo thank you for info18:21
dunsundid you try big enough file?18:21
dunsuni have tried scp too ... i am getting around 120kB/s18:22
`0660it was only 9 mb18:22
`0660i also have wrt54gl18:23
`0660with wpa218:23
dunsunso it's looking like router fault18:23
dunsunhmm i use no wpa18:23
`0660maybe your microwave oven is constantly on :)18:24
dunsunnope i got laptop ... it runs 5MB/s18:25
dunsunthank you for suggestions18:26
dunsuni will try to reconfigure my router18:27
dunsunor i will test my brother's wl500g too18:27
Pupnik_how many of you understand why microsoft is evil18:27
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dunsunM$ guys ... no more words18:29
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Stregdunsun: I sometime have problems with my Buffalo WHR-g54s 125mbit/s routes with certain frambursting etc setting. With some settings it tops around 100kbps18:41
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* richardg1952 has setup the n800 vmware appliance and ran sb-menu selecting SDK_ARMEL. At this point I'm stuck. I want to build busybox so I can customize the options, but I don't know how to proceed in this environment. Can someone point me to a howto or some further instructions?20:09
`0660i would imagine that there could be some compiling instructions on the busybox home page20:12
richardg1952so I need to go to different home page for each app? Do I pull a kernel from or is there specific repo for the n800 kernel source?20:14
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sp3000apt-get source busybox20:42
sp3000if you have the repos and whatnot like it says somewheres20:43
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sp3000curious, seems if my n800 goes for 5 minutes without traffic, it won't pong anymore20:44
Robot101the wifi goes to sleep if nothing's transmitting20:45
Robot101it's not designed to be receptive to incoming traffic when there's no local user20:45
sp3000 seems to say otherwise (near the end)20:48
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neostriderhello folks21:21
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qgilhi, anybody aware of a basic image retouch program for the 770?21:34
qgilimage rotate, resize, cut...21:34
neostriderhey qgil21:35
neostriderI saw a guy who ported/created a paint app for 77021:35
neostriderI dont know if there is any package available beyond mistral21:35
qgili need it for the 77021:36
neostridermaybe it will work on bora =-D21:36
neostriderlet me grab the bookmark for you21:36
qgilalthough paint... let's see if it can digest jpeg21:36
neostriderlosts of hidden goodies on this blog:
neostriderhey guys: can I use valgrind inside sbox?21:38
neostriderhavent tested yet (im too busy on my TRON game ;-) ), but seems very nice21:39
neostriderbut it seems  not hildonized21:39
qgilneostrider: the problem I see is that I don think sodipodi will rotate a jpeg picture, even i it has lots of potential21:40
neostriderthere are other goodies on the blog21:41
neostriderlook more carefully21:41
neostriderthere is a paint app21:41
qgilnow i see21:42
neostriderhow much memory leak a 770 app can sustain? =-P21:45
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qgiltrying to install in a 770 with it os 2006, says "software not compatible". Hum.21:57
* sp3000 plays with a downgrade21:59
mv_qgil: the .deb on that site is for IT OS 2005.21:59
qgilright, then nothing  :)21:59
qgilthanks mv_22:00
keesjqgil: I bet my money on pixel22:07
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keesjit's sdl based and can work on "small" screens22:08
qgilkeesj: any deb i can try?22:11
qgili don't need your money, just a compatible deb  ;)22:11
keesj:) . it is not there yet no sorry no deb22:13
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qgilbuah. today I made a little 770 survey... to my partner22:16
qgilI asked "what do you miss in your 770?"22:17
qgilshe said:22:17
qgil"a RSS thing that makes sense and something to do basic retouch to pictures"22:17
qgilthe RSS thing is the home applet22:17
wazquisanyone been using 770 or 800 for paperless geocaching?22:18
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soothsayStupid question. Where do I add repositories?22:22
mv_soothsay: in the application manager. "Tools > Application Catalogues".22:22
soothsayOops. Never mind, found it22:22
soothsaymv_: Thanks22:22
mv_Good, that was quick.22:23
soothsayThat down arrow doesn't grab my attention as a menu.22:24
soothsayNot used to it I guess22:24
soothsayIs this link still current for gaining root on OS2007?
soothsayFark, it mentions N800 explicitly. Sorry again22:25
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qgilmmm any suomi speaker around? got an sms I can't understand and seems to refer to something happening tomorrow morning  :)22:31
`0660i can translate it for you22:31
Molagiyeah me too22:31
qgiltext sent privately, just in case  :-[22:35
qgil(would be funny to tell me something like "Please pick a flight to Oulu urgently, if possible tomorrow morning"  ;)22:36
`0660i'll try to remember that next time! :)22:37
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qgildid you get the text `0660 ?22:38
`0660yes, and sent you reply22:38
qgilhum, I'm not seeing the reply22:38
`0660you didn't get any of my lines in priv? :o22:38
Molagiqgil are you seeing my reply?22:39
`0660hmm, i wonder how this is possible :)22:39
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qgilme too, first time I'm aware of this22:39
`0660i can put the translation here too if you want22:39
`0660maybe it's impossible to talk in priv without registering?22:40
Molagioh yeah i gotta register22:40
MolagiPrivate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! (
qgili'm registered22:40
qgilanyway, if it's not too embarassing....  :)22:40
qgiljust post here22:40
`0660it's not :)22:40
`066022:32 <`0660> Skating trip tomorrow, monday, as planned?22:41
`066022:32 <`0660> Whereabouts?22:41
`066022:33 <`0660> How far will we skate?22:41
`066022:33 <`0660> What kind of trip it is?22:41
`066022:33 <`0660> Minna is asking22:41
qgiloh yeah, the skating trip!!!22:41
qgilhum, no, let's face it - it's not for me22:41
qgilmy skating trips can't go further than 100 meters  :)22:42
`0660oh no :)22:42
Molagithats one strange sms if you ask me22:42
`0660i hope she's not going ice skating in the wild22:42
`0660it is22:42
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`0660qgil, sounds like a good way to fix yourself a blind date :P22:44
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qgila blind date skating, yeah - what a success22:44
`0660tell her the ice is too weak so maybe you could just have a dinner at a restaurant :)22:44
qgillooks like advanced spam and a way to take something from me (money when replying?)22:45
qgilah no, replied and got a "Sorry."   :)22:45
`0660it's not a spam :)22:45
qgilwell thanks, at least I could see that was something like urgent  :)22:47
`0660np :)22:48
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