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| keesj | sorry Pupnik ' I don't think there is one | 00:00 |
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| Pupnik | well ffs. i'll write one now | 00:00 |
| keesj | just like that? | 00:00 |
| keesj | who did the gpl flasher? | 00:01 |
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| Pupnik | don't know | 00:02 |
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| derf | Screen de-blanking applet? | 00:22 |
| Pupnik | 770 screen goes blank after unuse | 00:24 |
| Pupnik | even when plugged-in to charger | 00:24 |
| Pupnik | display brightness period and switch off display should really have 'unlimited' options | 00:25 |
| wazquis | 8 | 00:25 |
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| mrflakes | hey all, is there a way to check the our tablet's battery level from the terminal? | 00:27 |
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| Tak | I think there's a dbus call you can make, but I have no idea what it is | 00:30 |
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| Tak | heh | 00:31 |
| Tak | I think there's a dbus call you can make, but I have no idea what it is | 00:31 |
| Pupnik | msg_dispon | 00:31 |
| Pupnik | msg_dispblpause | 00:32 |
| Tak | pupnik: pretty easy, just do a g_timeout_add for 59s that calls osso_display_blanking_pause | 00:32 |
| Pupnik | how do i make that not take up cpu? | 00:33 |
| * Pupnik has no experience with callbacks, dbus etc | 00:33 | |
| derf | I don't think you're going to manage to execute something without taking up CPU. | 00:34 |
| derf | But once a minute is not that bad. | 00:34 |
| Pupnik | if i wrote something it would run in a while loop taking up 100% cpu | 00:35 |
| derf | Anyway, I wrote a little daemon that lets you have separate brightness and screen blank timeouts for AC/battery. | 00:35 |
| Tak | that's what g_timeout_add is for | 00:35 |
| keesj | add a sleep 60? | 00:35 |
| derf | And you can edit what the list of allowable blank timeouts are. | 00:36 |
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| Tak | it uses the glib main loop to handle the timing | 00:36 |
| Pupnik | derf, can i download that please? | 00:36 |
| derf | I've found a 60 minute blank timeout is plenty. | 00:36 |
| derf | Well, the editing you just do with gconf editor. | 00:36 |
| Pupnik | fantastic derf! | 00:36 |
| derf | Um, sorry, not gconf editor, gconf-tool-2. | 00:37 |
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| derf | gconf editor doesn't let you edit list values for some reason. | 00:37 |
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| derf | Anyway... | 00:37 |
| Pupnik | i see gconf-editor, libgconf-2-6 and gconf2 | 00:37 |
| Pupnik | available for install | 00:37 |
| derf | http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb | 00:37 |
| Tak | offtopic, http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/ rocks | 00:38 |
| derf | gconftool-2 should already be installed. | 00:38 |
| Pupnik | ah yes it is | 00:38 |
| derf | You might want to use gconf-editor to find the value, though. I don't remember where it is offhand. | 00:38 |
| derf | Somewhere in system/osso. | 00:39 |
| Pupnik | derf, that won't install on it2006 :/ | 00:40 |
| derf | Oh, I'm using IT2007. | 00:40 |
| derf | I have no idea how to make something that installs on IT2006. | 00:40 |
| Pupnik | i can build it | 00:40 |
| derf | http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz | 00:42 |
| derf | There's the source code (and plenty of extra crap besides). | 00:42 |
| mrflakes | Tak: About checking the battery level from terminal, dbus-monitor --system will show you messages about the battery level but only after you physically click on the battery icon in the gui. It would be nice to check the level if you were away from your tablet, for example over an ssh session | 00:44 |
| b0unc3 | someone with experience on .desktop file (on it2006) ? | 00:44 |
| derf | mrflakes: dbus-send can be used to send those same messages. | 00:44 |
| Tak | b0unc3: you have a specific q? | 00:44 |
| Pupnik | derf, acmonitor deb for IT2006 built... http://ln-s.net/O8O | 00:44 |
| b0unc3 | Tak: yes, I want to use a non-standard icon.. | 00:45 |
| Pupnik | oh it should be renamed for IT2006... | 00:46 |
| b0unc3 | ... so I have copied my icon under /usr/share/icons.. with the 'logical' name like qgn_bla_bla | 00:46 |
| Tak | Icon and X-Window-Icon | 00:46 |
| Tak | ok | 00:46 |
| b0unc3 | but when I use this 'logical' name in the .desktop, it refuse to load my icon | 00:47 |
| derf | Pupnik: Basically, all you do is plug the thing in, change your brightness, and then unplug, and change your brightness, and when you plug it in again, it should go back to the last value it had while it was plugged in. | 00:47 |
| derf | Same with screen blank times. | 00:48 |
| Pupnik | yeah it wants libconic, which isn't available for mistral | 00:48 |
| Tak | all the sizes? or which? | 00:48 |
| derf | Yeah, it also tries to keep your network connection alive. | 00:48 |
| Tak | and does it load in scratchbox? | 00:48 |
| Tak | arg, brb | 00:49 |
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| derf | I don't know what you're supposed to do about that in mistral, but if it doesn't have some equivalent, you could always rip that part out, I guess. | 00:49 |
| b0unc3 | Tak: I have not tested it on scratchbox, btw the icon size, permission and so on are right | 00:50 |
| Pupnik | derf yeah conic was added in bora | 00:51 |
| * Tak shrugs then | 00:52 | |
| derf | All it's using it for is to find out when the network connection goes up and down, so it doesn't send out pings while it's down. | 00:52 |
| Pupnik | ok derf, diving into it now | 00:52 |
| derf | I guess you could also just always try to send out pings, regardless of the state of the network. | 00:52 |
| b0unc3 | it's very strange , because in it2007 it work fine... | 00:53 |
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| Tak | heh, I get different .desktop behavior between it2006 and 2007 too | 00:55 |
| wazquis | im having some problems calibrating my N800,helhelcalibrating but it doesn't seem help... | 00:58 |
| Tak | calibrating the screen? | 00:58 |
| b0unc3 | Tak: the problem is the icon 'logical' name. If I overwrite an existent qgn_bla_bla with my icon and use this 'logical' name, it work. | 00:58 |
| Tak | hmm | 00:58 |
| wazquis | Tak: yes | 00:59 |
| b0unc3 | hmm.. also with absolute path, no success. | 01:02 |
| Pupnik | derf, acmonitor working on 770 / 2006! :) | 01:09 |
| Pupnik | /system/osso/dsm/display/display_blank_timeout | 01:12 |
| * Pupnik does the bow-to-mecca thing to derf :) | 01:14 | |
| Pupnik | i'm going to raise the default dimming time for powered-in state - still seems to be 2 minutes | 01:17 |
| Pupnik | gconftool-2 -g "/system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout" | 01:24 |
| Pupnik | 120 | 01:24 |
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| Pupnik | gconftool-2 -s "/system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout" 960 -t INT | 01:27 |
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| Sulis | does anyone have a nice little bluetooth keyboard that they can recommend for use with the n800? | 01:29 |
| Pupnik | thinkoutside stowaway BT keyboard | 01:29 |
| Pupnik | nokia makes a nice one too | 01:29 |
| Sulis | yeah, i saw the nokia one and wondered how it'd be | 01:30 |
| Pupnik | i only have the stowaway. after using it for two weeks, i was very fast on it | 01:30 |
| Sulis | hmm, learning curve? you can't touch type on it? | 01:31 |
| Pupnik | touch typing was native speed, except for a pause to hit the FN key for numbers and symbols | 01:32 |
| Sulis | ok, well that sounds good, i hate this hunt and peck stylus method | 01:33 |
| ajturner | Sulis - Frogpad | 01:35 |
| Sulis | isn't that horribly expensive? | 01:36 |
| ajturner | hrm, I think $100 | 01:36 |
| derf | Pupnik: Does mistral have /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts ? | 01:38 |
| Pupnik | yes derf | 01:38 |
| derf | I just added a 3600 to that list (as well as possible_display_dim_timeouts) | 01:38 |
| Sulis | $150 for frogpad... | 01:39 |
| Sulis | need to convert that | 01:39 |
| Pupnik | [30,60,120,300] but it seems to be accepting my long timeout despite it not being in the list | 01:39 |
| Pupnik | derf can one add to the list using gconftool-2 and have it appear in the display applet? | 01:39 |
| derf | Pupnik: Yes. | 01:40 |
| Pupnik | what would be the command to do that? is it persistent across reboots? | 01:40 |
| derf | gconftool-2 -t list --list-type=int -s /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts [30,60,120,300,600,3600] | 01:42 |
| derf | And yes, it is. | 01:42 |
| Pupnik | that's huge :) | 01:43 |
| Pupnik | q | 01:43 |
| Sulis | and stuff like that is a ggood reason to get a keybord | 01:45 |
| derf | I do stuff like that over ssh when I'm near a real computer. | 01:45 |
| Sulis | yeah me too, for stuff likee that it isn't too much trouble | 01:47 |
| Sulis | for chat and more day to day stuff on the n800 that's just not as conveniant | 01:48 |
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| fuelfive | okay, I've modified the dev root fs, and it's time to flash it back to the device | 02:03 |
| fuelfive | I have myRootFS.tar.gz, but I can't find tar2jffs2.sh | 02:03 |
| fuelfive | to convert it to the jffs2 | 02:03 |
| Pupnik | fuelfive: a quick web search reveals many others having that exact problem | 02:06 |
| Pupnik | you might need to check them out from the svn | 02:07 |
| fuelfive | i may have the answer | 02:07 |
| fuelfive | mkfs.jffs2 -r rootfs -o rootfs.temp -e 128 -l -n | 02:07 |
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| fuelfive | sumtool -i rootfs.temp -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 128KiB -l -n | 02:07 |
| fuelfive | I will report back | 02:07 |
| fuelfive | hmmm... how do I get sumtool? | 02:13 |
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| fuelfive | looks like i don't need it | 02:24 |
| fuelfive | nope, reboot loop :P | 02:26 |
| sri | so.. | 02:36 |
| kaatis | sumtool comes with mkfs.jffs2 | 02:36 |
| sri | someone should fix maemo to not text complet passwords :) | 02:36 |
| sri | if my N800 falls into the wrong hands they have access to every password protected web page I got. | 02:37 |
| kaatis | fuelfive, check the file ownerships and permissions first | 02:37 |
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| bhima | sri: that's an issue with many, many systems... | 02:42 |
| bhima | actually, I think MacOS X may not have that flaw. It won't let you display passwords manually. | 02:43 |
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| bhima | And it only allows certain apps to extract passwords. If the app is changed, you need to authorize the change. | 02:44 |
| Pupnik | rtorrent kinda sorta works on 770 | 02:45 |
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| bhima | The star trek theme confuzzled my n800. | 02:48 |
| bhima | It won't go back to normal graphics. | 02:48 |
| Sulis | i want to try that one | 02:49 |
| Sulis | but not if it does that | 02:49 |
| bhima | The app icons are not replaced. | 02:50 |
| bhima | erm, not replaced when you switch back to a normal theme. | 02:50 |
| Pupnik | best you contact the author | 02:51 |
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| bhima | Oh, ok, he documents it. | 02:53 |
| bhima | need to un-install them. | 02:54 |
| bhima | it replaces files outside of the themes thing. | 02:54 |
| Sulis | what do you have to uninstall? | 03:11 |
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| Veggen | hmm, people - what is the version of osso-filemanager on your device? (could it be that I've gotten a wrong package?) | 03:20 |
| b0unc3 | osso-filemanager-ui 2006.50.2 | 03:22 |
| Veggen | mmf, ok. Not wrong package, then. | 03:22 |
| Veggen | (osso-filemanager probably is the same version, as on my device) | 03:23 |
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| Pupnik | Playing Daimonin Online RPG on Nokia 770! | 03:52 |
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| Pupnik | www.daimonin.net | 04:34 |
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| Pupnik | aah new osso xterm (advanced) supports font selection | 07:08 |
| Pupnik | bold monospace (courier) is *much* more readable! \ | 07:08 |
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| Smilez | whats happenin everyone | 07:41 |
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| Smilez | anyone got any suggestions for cool apps to load on this thing? | 07:52 |
| Smilez | I already got canola, mplayer, and some games | 07:52 |
| bhima | Python. :) | 07:52 |
| Smilez | got that on there too | 07:52 |
| Smilez | :D | 07:52 |
| Smilez | although, i installed some apps that dont have shortcuts anywhere on the task menu | 07:53 |
| bhima | xterm! | 07:53 |
| Smilez | and though i have xterm installed, i dont know where the binaries are | 07:53 |
| Smilez | like how do i start sshd? | 07:53 |
| bhima | Hrm. I don't remember. It either started automagically or there were very easy instructions. I need to re-install it soon. | 07:55 |
| Smilez | which did you install openssh or dropbeerssh? | 07:56 |
| Smilez | also, how can i find out the ip of the tablet? | 07:56 |
| Smilez | i dont know how to become root | 07:56 |
| bhima | dropbear first, then openssh. openssh won't install if dropbear is installed due to dropbear installing a symlink called 'ssh' | 07:56 |
| Smilez | hmm | 07:56 |
| Smilez | you need both? | 07:56 |
| bhima | I installed a home applet with my IP. | 07:56 |
| bhima | oh, no, sorry, I mean I installed one, then removed and installed the other. :) | 07:57 |
| Smilez | whered you get that? | 07:57 |
| bhima | mulliner.org, I think. | 07:57 |
| Smilez | lemme see | 07:58 |
| Smilez | does it only work on the 770?: | 07:58 |
| bhima | It works on the n800 | 07:59 |
| davyd | you can install openssh and dropbear-server | 07:59 |
| davyd | and then disable the openssh server | 07:59 |
| Smilez | nice | 07:59 |
| Smilez | why would i need to install both? | 08:00 |
| Smilez | i want the SSH server so i can configure some things | 08:00 |
| davyd | install dropbear-server | 08:00 |
| Smilez | like i want to try and get mplayer to handle embedded wmv files, etc | 08:00 |
| davyd | it was designed for embedded whatsits | 08:00 |
| Smilez | huh? | 08:00 |
| davyd | like wireless routers and such | 08:01 |
| davyd | the guy who wrote it used to have this old 486 laptop with 4MB of ram as his wireless router, which is why he wrote dropbear | 08:01 |
| Smilez | im confused. im trying to get opera to play wmv and mpg files right inside the browser | 08:01 |
| * davyd shrugs | 08:02 | |
| davyd | I don't know much about that stuff | 08:02 |
| davyd | I wouldn't mind some kind of adblock plugin though | 08:02 |
| Smilez | thats what im sayin | 08:02 |
| Smilez | though they are working on minimo | 08:02 |
| davyd | the ads take up more space than the text on some webpages | 08:02 |
| Smilez | yup | 08:02 |
| Smilez | whats bluetooth portscanning used for? | 08:03 |
| Smilez | hacking ppl's bluetooth cell phones? :D | 08:03 |
| bhima | hacking your own? | 08:04 |
| davyd | no idea | 08:04 |
| davyd | I still don't own a bluetooth phone | 08:04 |
| Smilez | nor i | 08:04 |
| Smilez | though im waiting for my sprint upgrade to get the new Upstage (www.introducingupstage.com) | 08:04 |
| davyd | I would buy one, because my current phone is falling to pieces, but I want one without a camera | 08:04 |
| davyd | because they just make it heavier | 08:04 |
| Smilez | yeah i can't stand cameras | 08:04 |
| Smilez | and they suck as cameras | 08:05 |
| Smilez | though this Nokia really shouldnt have a camera either | 08:05 |
| Smilez | its awful!: | 08:05 |
| davyd | phone or N800 ? | 08:05 |
| bhima | My first bluetooth phone was, erm, the first bluetooth phone. :) | 08:05 |
| davyd | bhima ; when I bought my last nokia, which must have been oh... 6 years ago | 08:05 |
| davyd | I decided not to fork out for bluetooth | 08:06 |
| davyd | because I had no bluetooth devices | 08:06 |
| davyd | nowadays the laptop has it, and so does the 770 | 08:06 |
| davyd | of course, I can't afford GPRS data rates in Australia | 08:06 |
| davyd | so I'm not losing out ;) | 08:06 |
| Pupnik | Picture of my COW Netrek client for the Nokia 770 (tinyfont version) http://ln-s.net/O9x | 08:06 |
| Smilez | hehe | 08:08 |
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| Smilez | whats the username and password to ssh into the device? | 08:11 |
| Pupnik | root / rootme i think | 08:13 |
| Smilez | didnt work :( | 08:13 |
| Pupnik | Ur-Quan Masters Xsp / SDL pixel doubling problem snapshot: http://ln-s.net/O$0 | 08:13 |
| Smilez | nm root/rootme worked | 08:14 |
| Smilez | now what kinda fun stuff can I do :D | 08:14 |
| Pupnik | you can increase the length of time the screen stays bright | 08:20 |
| Smilez | i could change that in the control panel :D | 08:21 |
| Pupnik | yes display settings, but only up to 2 minuts | 08:21 |
| Smilez | thats plenty in my opinion.. but just in case, what would i edit? | 08:22 |
| Pupnik | see this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704 | 08:22 |
| Smilez | nice | 08:23 |
| Smilez | thanks for the link | 08:23 |
| Smilez | are apps on internettablettalk.com and not on maemo.org? | 08:24 |
| Smilez | also, does this thing have quicktime? | 08:24 |
| Pupnik | it's a pretty active discussion forum | 08:24 |
| Pupnik | maybe mplayer can do quicktime | 08:24 |
| Smilez | good idea | 08:24 |
| Smilez | ie7 just crashed | 08:24 |
| Smilez | gotta love windows | 08:24 |
| Smilez | im using firefox also, but using tor with firefox | 08:24 |
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| sri | lastlog sri | 08:31 |
| sri | oops | 08:31 |
| sri | bhima: true, but its somewhat worse on a mobile device.. my point is that file completing passwords is a bad thing. | 08:32 |
| Smilez | are there any image viewing applications that would let me turn an image horizontal so i can turn the tablet vertical and see it larger? | 08:34 |
| Pupnik | yeah i just compiled one | 08:42 |
| Pupnik | gqview | 08:42 |
| Pupnik | it's not finished | 08:42 |
| Smilez | tru... did that yesterday right | 08:42 |
| Smilez | it'd be cool to get gimp on here :D | 08:42 |
| bhima | Photoshop CS3! | 08:43 |
| bhima | Two 8GB SD cards with swap would be more than sufficient :) | 08:44 |
| Smilez | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/438062591_a40703e38b.jpg <-- howd this person get a quick launcher on the bottom right? | 08:44 |
| Smilez | heheh... photoshop would melt this lil processor :D | 08:44 |
| bhima | I used to use Photoshop on smaller processors. | 08:44 |
| Smilez | seriously? | 08:45 |
| bhima | Yes. PowerBook 160. | 08:45 |
| Smilez | madness | 08:45 |
| bhima | 25MHz 68030, something like 12MB of DRAM. | 08:45 |
| Smilez | wow | 08:45 |
| bhima | Monochrome laptop. | 08:45 |
| Smilez | thats insane | 08:46 |
| Smilez | monochrome with image editing :D | 08:46 |
| bhima | And a wacom tablet. | 08:46 |
| Smilez | thats hardcore dude | 08:46 |
| bhima | I think that was Photoshop 2.5 | 08:47 |
| Smilez | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/438062591_a40703e38b.jpg <-- howd they get that quick launch? | 08:47 |
| Smilez | oooooooh, is there a template for making your own themes? | 08:48 |
| Pupnik | somebody made a star trek theme | 08:51 |
| Pupnik | DOSBox on the Nokia 770 (pic, jpg) http://ln-s.net/O$+ | 08:51 |
| Smilez | yeah i cant stand star trek, but i would love to make my own | 08:52 |
| Smilez | the vista theme looks nice too | 08:52 |
| Smilez | but i have some issues with some of the transparencies | 08:52 |
| Smilez | Pupnik = ArnimS? | 08:55 |
| Pupnik | Pupnik is arnim's marketing man. | 08:56 |
| Smilez | hahah | 08:57 |
| Smilez | multiple personalities? :D | 08:57 |
| Pupnik | native ports of ultima IV and 5 coming soon | 08:57 |
| Pupnik | but 5 is not so clean | 08:57 |
| Smilez | whats that? | 08:57 |
| Pupnik | the role playing game on the screenshot | 08:58 |
| Smilez | which screenshot? | 08:58 |
| Pupnik | DOSBox on the Nokia 770 (pic, jpg) http://ln-s.net/O$+ | 08:59 |
| Smilez | ohhhh | 08:59 |
| Smilez | that games mad old isnt it? | 08:59 |
| Pupnik | it's old yes | 09:00 |
| Pupnik | been released freeware now so it's legal to download too | 09:00 |
| Smilez | oldy but goody | 09:01 |
| Smilez | nice | 09:01 |
| Pupnik | well EA still retains the copyright but doesn't charge for it | 09:01 |
| Smilez | i hear ya | 09:01 |
| Pupnik | the port will be playable with stylus and dpad | 09:01 |
| Smilez | awesome | 09:03 |
| Smilez | do you have this UK media center? | 09:03 |
| Smilez | with cd artwork, etc? | 09:03 |
| Pupnik | nop | 09:03 |
| Smilez | definitely not better than canola :D | 09:03 |
| Pupnik | yeah the n800 actually is usable for media imo - those 2sd cards really help | 09:04 |
| Pupnik | i prefer a mp3 player for the sound quality and to save space on the n770 | 09:04 |
| Smilez | tru | 09:05 |
| Smilez | i still need to buy some nice mini sd ards | 09:05 |
| Smilez | cards | 09:05 |
| Smilez | whoa.. someone has curse of monkey island on here! | 09:07 |
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| Pupnik | scummvm can play lucasarts games | 09:08 |
| Smilez | thats ridiculous! | 09:08 |
| Smilez | but you need to have the game right | 09:08 |
| Pupnik | y | 09:08 |
| Smilez | damn | 09:08 |
| Pupnik | dirt cheap now - bargain bin games | 09:09 |
| Smilez | true | 09:09 |
| Smilez | alright again i ran out of battery while using this thing all day so im going to bed | 09:11 |
| Pupnik | ok cu | 09:11 |
| Smilez | goodnight Pupnik, thanks again for the help. keep me posted on that gqview update | 09:12 |
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| mikemorrison | anyone here make builds of their app(s) for the 770 and n800? | 10:23 |
| keesj | mikemorrison: yes that is what I try | 10:24 |
| keesj | but no gui apps so far (there are differences) | 10:25 |
| mikemorrison | yeah i'd like to build my app for the 770 but i only have an n800 and i would like to know if i would need to make many changes to it. | 10:26 |
| mikemorrison | mine is a gui app | 10:26 |
| keesj | there are differences in the .desktop files and there are less libs on the 770 | 10:27 |
| keesj | does it build on the gregale sdk? | 10:27 |
| keesj | usualy we can say that 770 work on the n800 | 10:28 |
| mikemorrison | i haven't tried . and what about sardine? | 10:28 |
| keesj | what was sardine again? | 10:28 |
| mikemorrison | i think it was the latest hildon on the 770 | 10:29 |
| keesj | 2.2 is gregale | 10:30 |
| keesj | the latesed and last it2006 release | 10:30 |
| mikemorrison | yeah. so i guess sardine would be 2007 on the 770? | 10:30 |
| keesj | I am just guessing about that "last" thingy | 10:30 |
| mikemorrison | how do i set up the scratchbox with all these different targets? | 10:31 |
| keesj | with the 2.2. release it is possible to install both targets on the same scratchbox | 10:31 |
| mikemorrison | is it possible to use pbuilder? | 10:32 |
| keesj | I don't know what that is | 10:32 |
| keesj | I have installed a web based sdk yesterday with 2.2. and 3.1 installed | 10:33 |
| keesj | you can find it on http://mud.mmapps.net/ | 10:33 |
| keesj | I guess that if you really only want to compile something for the 2.2 such a tool would be enough | 10:34 |
| keesj | there are so much build tools | 10:35 |
| mikemorrison | so how did you set the 2006 targets up? is it easy to do? | 10:36 |
| keesj | I am not sure they already work 100% but I have copied the 3.1 install script and changed ti to use the 2.2 rootstraps | 10:37 |
| keesj | the sb-menu also is pretty user friendly | 10:37 |
| mikemorrison | ahh ok. maybe i'll have a look at the 2.2 script and just modify the target names | 10:39 |
| Pupnik | that's totally cool keesj :) | 10:42 |
| keesj | thanks | 10:42 |
| Pupnik | can i use that web interface for other rsh/ssh/vt things? | 10:43 |
| Pupnik | i mean, can i download the scripts or is it part of a package? | 10:44 |
| keesj | Pupnik: yes, | 10:44 |
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| keesj | it's called ajaxterm | 10:44 |
| Pupnik | kthx | 10:44 |
| keesj | even moost key binding works (screen for exmaple works on ajaxterm) | 10:45 |
| Pupnik | that can be useful for people to compare their scratchbox environment to a working one | 10:46 |
| keesj | compare or compile packages | 10:46 |
| mikemorrison | keesj: hmm. i see there is no 2.2 scripts. i see why you used the 3.1 install script as the base | 10:46 |
| keesj | this is the script I used http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/maemo-sdk-install_2.2.sh.txt | 10:50 |
| mikemorrison | sweet thanks | 10:51 |
| keesj | so cp -v files/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz /opt/scratchbox/packages/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_2.2_armel.tgz | 10:52 |
| keesj | cp -v files/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz /opt/scratchbox/packages/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_2.2_i386.tgz | 10:52 |
| keesj | I also renamed the downloaded 2.2 tgz files | 10:52 |
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| Pupnik | you think you might be able to hit these keys in 90 deg rotated mode? | 11:57 |
| Pupnik | IMG/Jpeg -- http://ln-s.net/O$s | 11:57 |
| Pupnik | A gimp of a potential PalmOS emu layout | 11:58 |
| guru3 | the option to have that or the mirror image of it would be good | 12:00 |
| guru3 | cause i could imagine sometimes you wouldn't want all the hardware buttons in the way | 12:00 |
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| Pupnik | sure. I'm just wondering if such a virtual keyboard is hittable | 12:01 |
| Pupnik | I'm doing the palm Skin now | 12:01 |
| Pupnik | i like the idea of a keyboard that looks somewhat conventional, so you can intuitively know where to tap | 12:01 |
| Pupnik | an alternative would be to copy a treo layout | 12:01 |
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| sxpert | Pupnik, you'd have to do hit tests for each key, I guess | 12:04 |
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| Pupnik | as you can tell, the keyboard can't be pop-up and obscuring anything, since there's no way to tell when an input field has been selected | 12:06 |
| Pupnik | yeah sxpert | 12:06 |
| Pupnik | sxpert: what do you think about something like this instead? http://www.gearlive.com/blogimages/Thumboard.jpg | 12:08 |
| sxpert | hmmm... | 12:08 |
| sxpert | you'd still have to do hit tests. | 12:09 |
| sxpert | in the case of your first version though, it'd be simpler, as you can test the line in one go | 12:09 |
| sxpert | then find which key with a table | 12:09 |
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| dunsun | hello guys | 12:33 |
| dunsun | i have just made some tests with socat and netcat on n800 | 12:34 |
| dunsun | and i'm really disappointed | 12:34 |
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| dunsun | over wifi g .... router in the same room it runs max 100kB/s | 12:37 |
| dunsun | any suggestions ? | 12:37 |
| Pupnik | what encryption are you running | 12:37 |
| dunsun | no encryption | 12:37 |
| dunsun | router is linksys wrt54gl | 12:38 |
| Pupnik | that's slower than what i see | 12:39 |
| dunsun | hmm you have tried too? | 12:39 |
| Pupnik | not with netcat | 12:39 |
| Pupnik | but i get faster downloads than that with wget | 12:39 |
| dunsun | yapp i will try wget | 12:40 |
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| dunsun | i use socat for mplayer streaming | 12:41 |
| dunsun | and it was so slow with 400x240 | 12:42 |
| dunsun | then i found bandwidth bottleneck | 12:42 |
| Pupnik | never tried socat | 12:42 |
| Pupnik | "relay"? what does that do? | 12:43 |
| dunsun | i'm just going to digg in it | 12:44 |
| dunsun | thanks | 12:44 |
| dunsun | one more stupid quastione | 12:44 |
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| dunsun | do you use stock screen protector which is glued on n800's screen? | 12:46 |
| dunsun | do you still have it on it? | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | i have a 770 but i've heard it scratches easily | 12:46 |
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| dunsun | yes i have been using my n800 for 1 week and it's been so scratched .. i can't see anything throught it | 12:48 |
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| dunsun | stylus scratches it a lot | 12:49 |
| dunsun | your experiences?? | 12:51 |
| Pupnik | 770 doesn't scratch | 12:53 |
| dunsun | pupnik thanks for your comments | 12:57 |
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| Pupnik | ok that keyboard is too small for input... | 13:07 |
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| Jaffa | dunsun: that's a shipping screen protector, not a stylus-use screen protector | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | c.f. the flimsy plastic covering mobile phone screens etc. | 13:13 |
| Pupnik | he's gone | 13:16 |
| Pupnik | i didn't know that :) | 13:16 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows Superbia | 13:39 |
| Pupnik | whazat | 13:40 |
| |tbb| | a nickname | 13:41 |
| Pupnik | know any advanced computer science students? | 13:48 |
| Pupnik | writing an ARM JIT compiler for DOSBox would be a good project | 13:49 |
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| kender | hi | 14:04 |
| Pupnik | hi kender | 14:05 |
| kender | hey Pupnik | 14:05 |
| ni3w4zn3 | hello | 14:05 |
| kender | :) | 14:05 |
| * Pupnik 'tests' ultima IV (Xu4) some more | 14:06 | |
| ni3w4zn3 | Pupnik: I just came back - do you think seriously about this compiler? | 14:06 |
| Pupnik | no ni3w4zn3 | 14:07 |
| Pupnik | i am just thinking there are too many stupid people like me on the planet | 14:07 |
| ni3w4zn3 | hehehe | 14:07 |
| Pupnik | and not enough smart people who can write JIT compilers | 14:07 |
| ni3w4zn3 | I am writing now small compiler (as part of my project) for language similar to C++ | 14:08 |
| ni3w4zn3 | but I am thinking about something opensource during holidays | 14:08 |
| ni3w4zn3 | in fact this JIT can be interesting...and useful for somebody | 14:09 |
| Pupnik | yes there's a framework for it called libjit | 14:09 |
| Pupnik | also a sample of x86 code compiled to arm .elf format | 14:09 |
| ni3w4zn3 | hmm any links? | 14:10 |
| ni3w4zn3 | ;) (i am lazy - as all IT students:)) | 14:10 |
| Pupnik | http://www.southern-storm.com.au/doc/libjit/libjit_19.html | 14:11 |
| Pupnik | http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/02/dynamic-code-generation-and-image.html | 14:11 |
| ni3w4zn3 | thx | 14:12 |
| ni3w4zn3 | ok I need to go - all friends arrived for a dinner......... | 14:12 |
| ni3w4zn3 | lunch? | 14:13 |
| Pupnik | ok cheers and happy easter | 14:13 |
| ni3w4zn3 | whatever....... | 14:13 |
| ni3w4zn3 | :) | 14:13 |
| ni3w4zn3 | thanks | 14:13 |
| ni3w4zn3 | have a nice easter guys | 14:13 |
| keesj | but why does c++ need a jit? | 14:22 |
| keesj | so allow scripting? | 14:22 |
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| keesj | so = to | 14:23 |
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| dunsun | Hi | 17:27 |
| dunsun | I was trying to stream videos to my n800 from my PC using socat and also netcat. Video was stoping. The reason is that I | 17:28 |
| dunsun | am not able to go over 100kB/s barrier when streaming over WIFI (Linksys wrt54gl in my room - signal stregth 100%). | 17:29 |
| dunsun | i have tried only a pure wget with very similar results. | 17:30 |
| dunsun | any suggestions? | 17:30 |
| rvalles | no idea, but have you tried NFS, HTTP or anything else beyond netcat? | 17:30 |
| rvalles | does it cut then? | 17:31 |
| dunsun | nope it does not cut | 17:31 |
| rvalles | maybe your video player doesn't buffer when you throw a pipeline at it. | 17:31 |
| dunsun | it is only slow | 17:31 |
| dunsun | nope it is not caused by player | 17:31 |
| rvalles | 16:29:45 < dunsun> i have tried only a pure wget with very similar results. | 17:32 |
| rvalles | that's more interesting | 17:32 |
| dunsun | with wget which only downloads something i am getting same results | 17:32 |
| rvalles | so the video playing part is irrelevant, and you just don't get more than 100KB/s? | 17:32 |
| dunsun | yes exactly | 17:33 |
| dunsun | sometimes 110kB/s | 17:33 |
| dunsun | but no more | 17:33 |
| dunsun | i think it is n800's HW bottleneck | 17:34 |
| rvalles | what's the link speed? | 17:34 |
| rvalles | the one shown by iwconfig | 17:34 |
| dunsun | 54Mhz | 17:34 |
| rvalles | MHz? | 17:34 |
| bilboed | you sure the socat stream works fine on a desktop computer ? | 17:34 |
| dunsun | 100% signal strentgh | 17:34 |
| dunsun | yes i am sure | 17:35 |
| rvalles | dunsun: does iwconfig tell you you're connected at 54MB/s? | 17:35 |
| dunsun | it's not about streaming | 17:35 |
| rvalles | dunsun: or you're just assuming it? | 17:35 |
| dunsun | as normal download is slow too | 17:35 |
| dunsun | yes | 17:36 |
| dunsun | it tells 54Mhz | 17:36 |
| rvalles | Mhz? | 17:36 |
| dunsun | sure | 17:37 |
| dunsun | i need anyone to try wget to download something | 17:38 |
| dunsun | on n800 | 17:38 |
| dunsun | and we will see if it is nokia bottleneck or router | 17:39 |
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| dunsun | still there ? | 17:42 |
| dunsun | hmm nobody knows ? | 17:55 |
| glass | probably just not that many people around today | 17:56 |
| dunsun | i need to know as i could add it to nokia's bugs pages | 17:57 |
| dunsun | hmm it's pity | 17:57 |
| dunsun | maybe tomorow | 17:57 |
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| `0660 | dunsun, i'm able to get about 400KB/s with scp | 18:19 |
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| dunsun | oo thank you for info | 18:21 |
| dunsun | did you try big enough file? | 18:21 |
| dunsun | i have tried scp too ... i am getting around 120kB/s | 18:22 |
| `0660 | it was only 9 mb | 18:22 |
| `0660 | i also have wrt54gl | 18:23 |
| `0660 | with wpa2 | 18:23 |
| dunsun | so it's looking like router fault | 18:23 |
| dunsun | hmm i use no wpa | 18:23 |
| dunsun | interesting | 18:23 |
| `0660 | maybe your microwave oven is constantly on :) | 18:24 |
| dunsun | :-) | 18:24 |
| dunsun | nope i got laptop ... it runs 5MB/s | 18:25 |
| dunsun | thank you for suggestions | 18:26 |
| dunsun | i will try to reconfigure my router | 18:27 |
| dunsun | or i will test my brother's wl500g too | 18:27 |
| Pupnik_ | how many of you understand why microsoft is evil | 18:27 |
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| dunsun | M$ guys ... no more words | 18:29 |
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| Streg | dunsun: I sometime have problems with my Buffalo WHR-g54s 125mbit/s routes with certain frambursting etc setting. With some settings it tops around 100kbps | 18:41 |
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| * richardg1952 has setup the n800 vmware appliance and ran sb-menu selecting SDK_ARMEL. At this point I'm stuck. I want to build busybox so I can customize the options, but I don't know how to proceed in this environment. Can someone point me to a howto or some further instructions? | 20:09 | |
| `0660 | i would imagine that there could be some compiling instructions on the busybox home page | 20:12 |
| richardg1952 | so I need to go to different home page for each app? Do I pull a kernel from kernel.org or is there specific repo for the n800 kernel source? | 20:14 |
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| sp3000 | apt-get source busybox | 20:42 |
| sp3000 | if you have the repos and whatnot like it says somewheres | 20:43 |
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| sp3000 | curious, seems if my n800 goes for 5 minutes without traffic, it won't pong anymore | 20:44 |
| Robot101 | the wifi goes to sleep if nothing's transmitting | 20:45 |
| Robot101 | it's not designed to be receptive to incoming traffic when there's no local user | 20:45 |
| sp3000 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20675#20675 seems to say otherwise (near the end) | 20:48 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 21:21 |
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| qgil | hi, anybody aware of a basic image retouch program for the 770? | 21:34 |
| qgil | image rotate, resize, cut... | 21:34 |
| neostrider | hey qgil | 21:35 |
| neostrider | I saw a guy who ported/created a paint app for 770 | 21:35 |
| neostrider | I dont know if there is any package available beyond mistral | 21:35 |
| qgil | i need it for the 770 | 21:36 |
| neostrider | maybe it will work on bora =-D | 21:36 |
| neostrider | great | 21:36 |
| neostrider | let me grab the bookmark for you | 21:36 |
| qgil | thanks! | 21:36 |
| qgil | although paint... let's see if it can digest jpeg | 21:36 |
| neostrider | losts of hidden goodies on this blog: http://michaels770.blogspot.com/ | 21:37 |
| neostrider | hey guys: can I use valgrind inside sbox? | 21:38 |
| qgil | sodipodi!!!!??? | 21:38 |
| neostrider | yeah | 21:38 |
| neostrider | havent tested yet (im too busy on my TRON game ;-) ), but seems very nice | 21:39 |
| neostrider | but it seems not hildonized | 21:39 |
| qgil | neostrider: the problem I see is that I don think sodipodi will rotate a jpeg picture, even i it has lots of potential | 21:40 |
| neostrider | there are other goodies on the blog | 21:41 |
| neostrider | look more carefully | 21:41 |
| neostrider | there is a paint app | 21:41 |
| qgil | now i see | 21:42 |
| neostrider | how much memory leak a 770 app can sustain? =-P | 21:45 |
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| qgil | trying to install http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/gnupaint770.html in a 770 with it os 2006, says "software not compatible". Hum. | 21:57 |
| * sp3000 plays with a downgrade | 21:59 | |
| mv_ | qgil: the .deb on that site is for IT OS 2005. | 21:59 |
| qgil | right, then nothing :) | 21:59 |
| qgil | thanks mv_ | 22:00 |
| keesj | qgil: I bet my money on pixel | 22:07 |
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| keesj | it's sdl based and can work on "small" screens | 22:08 |
| qgil | keesj: any deb i can try? | 22:11 |
| qgil | i don't need your money, just a compatible deb ;) | 22:11 |
| keesj | :) . it is not there yet no sorry no deb | 22:13 |
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| qgil | buah. today I made a little 770 survey... to my partner | 22:16 |
| qgil | I asked "what do you miss in your 770?" | 22:17 |
| qgil | she said: | 22:17 |
| qgil | "a RSS thing that makes sense and something to do basic retouch to pictures" | 22:17 |
| qgil | the RSS thing is the home applet | 22:17 |
| wazquis | anyone been using 770 or 800 for paperless geocaching? | 22:18 |
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| soothsay | Stupid question. Where do I add repositories? | 22:22 |
| mv_ | soothsay: in the application manager. "Tools > Application Catalogues". | 22:22 |
| soothsay | Oops. Never mind, found it | 22:22 |
| soothsay | mv_: Thanks | 22:22 |
| mv_ | Good, that was quick. | 22:23 |
| soothsay | That down arrow doesn't grab my attention as a menu. | 22:24 |
| soothsay | Not used to it I guess | 22:24 |
| soothsay | Is this link still current for gaining root on OS2007? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 22:24 |
| soothsay | Fark, it mentions N800 explicitly. Sorry again | 22:25 |
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| qgil | mmm any suomi speaker around? got an sms I can't understand and seems to refer to something happening tomorrow morning :) | 22:31 |
| `0660 | :) | 22:31 |
| `0660 | i can translate it for you | 22:31 |
| Molagi | yeah me too | 22:31 |
| qgil | text sent privately, just in case :-[ | 22:35 |
| qgil | (would be funny to tell me something like "Please pick a flight to Oulu urgently, if possible tomorrow morning" ;) | 22:36 |
| `0660 | :D | 22:37 |
| `0660 | i'll try to remember that next time! :) | 22:37 |
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| qgil | did you get the text `0660 ? | 22:38 |
| `0660 | yes, and sent you reply | 22:38 |
| qgil | hum, I'm not seeing the reply | 22:38 |
| `0660 | you didn't get any of my lines in priv? :o | 22:38 |
| Molagi | qgil are you seeing my reply? | 22:39 |
| qgil | mno | 22:39 |
| `0660 | hmm, i wonder how this is possible :) | 22:39 |
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| qgil | me too, first time I'm aware of this | 22:39 |
| `0660 | i can put the translation here too if you want | 22:39 |
| `0660 | maybe it's impossible to talk in priv without registering? | 22:40 |
| Molagi | oh yeah i gotta register | 22:40 |
| Molagi | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml | 22:40 |
| qgil | i'm registered | 22:40 |
| qgil | anyway, if it's not too embarassing.... :) | 22:40 |
| qgil | just post here | 22:40 |
| `0660 | it's not :) | 22:40 |
| `0660 | 22:32 <`0660> Skating trip tomorrow, monday, as planned? | 22:41 |
| `0660 | 22:32 <`0660> Whereabouts? | 22:41 |
| `0660 | 22:33 <`0660> How far will we skate? | 22:41 |
| `0660 | 22:33 <`0660> What kind of trip it is? | 22:41 |
| `0660 | 22:33 <`0660> Minna is asking | 22:41 |
| qgil | oh yeah, the skating trip!!! | 22:41 |
| qgil | hum, no, let's face it - it's not for me | 22:41 |
| Molagi | hehe | 22:42 |
| qgil | my skating trips can't go further than 100 meters :) | 22:42 |
| `0660 | oh no :) | 22:42 |
| Molagi | thats one strange sms if you ask me | 22:42 |
| `0660 | i hope she's not going ice skating in the wild | 22:42 |
| `0660 | it is | 22:42 |
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| `0660 | qgil, sounds like a good way to fix yourself a blind date :P | 22:44 |
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| qgil | a blind date skating, yeah - what a success | 22:44 |
| `0660 | tell her the ice is too weak so maybe you could just have a dinner at a restaurant :) | 22:44 |
| qgil | looks like advanced spam and a way to take something from me (money when replying?) | 22:45 |
| `0660 | heh | 22:45 |
| qgil | ah no, replied and got a "Sorry." :) | 22:45 |
| `0660 | it's not a spam :) | 22:45 |
| qgil | well thanks, at least I could see that was something like urgent :) | 22:47 |
| `0660 | np :) | 22:48 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:07 |
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