| Pupnik | not like networking is real important for DOS | 00:01 |
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| Pupnik | but maybe the softmodem -> tcp/ip would be fun | 00:01 |
| bill20r3 | do you know what package supplies libSDL_net? | 00:01 |
| Pupnik | libsdl-net1.2 | 00:01 |
| bill20r3 | hmm, maybe there's no deb for bora | 00:02 |
| Pupnik | nor is there for mistral/scirroco | 00:02 |
| bill20r3 | I have other libSDL_xxx packages installed, but there's no _net available. | 00:02 |
| bill20r3 | did you roll your own? | 00:03 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 00:03 |
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| bill20r3 | ahh. | 00:04 |
| bill20r3 | send it over. | 00:04 |
| Pupnik | i don't think it's good to mix and match libraries from mistral to bora | 00:04 |
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| bill20r3 | hmm | 00:04 |
| bill20r3 | can you compile it in staticlly? | 00:05 |
| bill20r3 | that's pretty cool that it runs anyway, now I can finally play TradeWars2000 again. | 00:05 |
| bill20r3 | heh | 00:05 |
| Pupnik | just built a sdl-net .deb for it2006 | 00:06 |
| bill20r3 | does it still run inside the xterm, or does it go full-screen? | 00:07 |
| Pupnik | only tested full screen | 00:07 |
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| Pupnik | libsdl-net .deb for IT2006 / 770 -- http://ln-s.net/O2M | 00:08 |
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| Pupnik | testing sound | 00:08 |
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| Pupnik | not working yet | 00:10 |
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| * Pupnik plays alley cat | 00:24 | |
| * bill20r3 grabs | 00:25 | |
| Pupnik | slowww | 00:26 |
| Pupnik | basically i think this is going to be limited to original ibm-pc games | 00:26 |
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| Pupnik | startup time is good - maybe 5 seconds | 00:31 |
| bill20r3 | no workie for me, of course. | 00:31 |
| Pupnik | vga mode works | 00:32 |
| bill20r3 | hott | 00:32 |
| bill20r3 | not go buy an N800 so you can complile a version I can use. :-) | 00:33 |
| bill20r3 | s/not/now/ | 00:33 |
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| * Pupnik plays ultima IV | 00:33 | |
| Pupnik | 2x software scaler works (sloww) | 00:40 |
| bill20r3 | how big is it without scaling? 320x240? | 00:46 |
| Pupnik | 320x200 iirc | 00:46 |
| bill20r3 | so like 1/3 screen, tiny. | 00:47 |
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| Pupnik | dynamic cpu seems to work | 00:49 |
| bill20r3 | dynamic cpu? | 00:49 |
| Pupnik | HOLY CRAP it's so much faster | 00:50 |
| bill20r3 | does that refer to changing the mhz on the fly? | 00:50 |
| Pupnik | running dosbox + dynamic CPU and advmame 2x scaler now | 00:50 |
| Pupnik | and it's so freakin sweet - i dunno 15 fps, 20 fps | 00:50 |
| Pupnik | like 4x faster | 00:51 |
| Pupnik | and the scaler OMG | 00:51 |
| Pupnik | you know how much better those low res games look with 2xSAI or Hq2x scaler? | 00:51 |
| Pupnik | OMFG | 00:51 |
| bill20r3 | you taunt me. | 00:52 |
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| Pupnik | you can extract libsdl_net from that package and copy it into your /usr/lib | 00:53 |
| Pupnik | just don't blame me if it bricks | 00:53 |
| Pupnik | bnas | 00:53 |
| Pupnik | xms / ems still not working, nor is pc speaker or sb16 emulation though | 00:54 |
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| Pupnik | fullscreen / windowed switching works with alt-enter | 00:59 |
| bill20r3 | there is a symlink "libSDL_net.so -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.5", but no file libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.5 | 01:00 |
| Pupnik | ok sec | 01:01 |
| Pupnik | there should be a libSDL_net file | 01:02 |
| Pupnik | with 10436 size | 01:02 |
| Pupnik | 10436 May 30 2006 /usr/lib/libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.5 | 01:02 |
| Pupnik | then there should be a symlink to it | 01:02 |
| Pupnik | /usr/lib/libSDL_net.so -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.5 | 01:03 |
| Pupnik | then in the dosbox.conf change cga to vga | 01:04 |
| bill20r3 | $ ls -l lib | 01:04 |
| bill20r3 | -rw-r--r-- 1 bill bill 11186 Apr 6 15:04 libSDL_net.a | 01:04 |
| bill20r3 | -rw-r--r-- 1 bill bill 938 Apr 6 15:04 libSDL_net.la | 01:04 |
| bill20r3 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 bill bill 23 Apr 6 15:50 libSDL_net.so -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.5 | 01:04 |
| Pupnik | change scaler to advmame2x | 01:04 |
| Pupnik | huh... | 01:04 |
| bill20r3 | I have the symlink, but not the .so file. | 01:04 |
| Pupnik | strange | 01:04 |
| Pupnik | i'll put up the file for you | 01:04 |
| bill20r3 | dunno man, I just did a "dpkg -x libsdl-net1.2-dev_1.2.5-7_armel.deb", and that's what I got. | 01:05 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks i'll check that out | 01:05 |
| Pupnik | oh and also in dosbox.conf change | 01:05 |
| Pupnik | core=dynamic | 01:05 |
| Pupnik | cycles=auto | 01:05 |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: priv msg | 01:07 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 01:08 |
| Pupnik | hi | 01:08 |
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| Pupnik | pc speaker emulation working! | 01:11 |
| neostrider | pupnik, any game running? | 01:11 |
| Pupnik | yeah, playtesting Ultima IV | 01:11 |
| neostrider | tried Prince of persia, as I sujested? | 01:11 |
| Pupnik | i think that needs ems/xms | 01:12 |
| neostrider | no | 01:12 |
| bill20r3 | how do I bring up the keyboard/ | 01:12 |
| bill20r3 | ? | 01:12 |
| neostrider | I used to run it on my 8088! | 01:12 |
| Pupnik | ok, will try prince soon | 01:12 |
| neostrider | my 8088 had only 704K of RAM | 01:12 |
| Pupnik | bill, use synergy for keyboard | 01:12 |
| neostrider | and had a 10 Mhz processor | 01:12 |
| * bill20r3 googles | 01:13 | |
| Pupnik | bill, or bluetooth keyboard should work also | 01:14 |
| bill20r3 | I bought one of those freedom mini-duo keyboard, apparently I have to use the SPP interface via kbdd | 01:14 |
| bill20r3 | bleh | 01:14 |
| Pupnik | bill, does it start up? | 01:14 |
| neostrider | BRB | 01:16 |
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| bill20r3 | it starts, but I have no keyboard | 01:17 |
| bill20r3 | I'm not finding synergy for the n800 anywhere. | 01:17 |
| bill20r3 | if I switch windows, I cant get back to it. | 01:18 |
| bill20r3 | it's still running, but I cant switch to it. | 01:18 |
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| bill20r3 | the 'back-arrow' button generates a "\" and the middle of the D-pad generates an enter. | 01:19 |
| bill20r3 | but that's all I can get. | 01:19 |
| Pupnik | i should have asked if you had a keyboard first | 01:19 |
| bill20r3 | I guess I should get a working bt keyboard. | 01:19 |
| bill20r3 | heh. | 01:19 |
| bill20r3 | it's still pretty cool. | 01:20 |
| bill20r3 | I'm guessing it's not hildonized, so no virtual keyboard. | 01:20 |
| Pupnik | correct | 01:20 |
| bill20r3 | but at least ow you know the binary works on an N800. | 01:20 |
| Pupnik | i don't know where synergy is hiding | 01:20 |
| Pupnik | yeah thanks for the test | 01:20 |
| Pupnik | synergy is seriously useful though - it crashes a bit (not a nokia problem) so you have to restart | 01:21 |
| Pupnik | with synergy you can use one keyboard and mouse across multiple computers - even windows boxes | 01:22 |
| bill20r3 | like x2x.. | 01:22 |
| bill20r3 | or x2vnc, I guess. | 01:22 |
| Pupnik | ah | 01:22 |
| bill20r3 | I just have dual monitors, and one pc. | 01:22 |
| bill20r3 | do you know if the matchbox WM supports multiple desktops? | 01:23 |
| bill20r3 | because that'd ge kind of cool. | 01:23 |
| Pupnik | no idea | 01:23 |
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| Pupnik | with the 770 i usually don't run more than one app at once | 01:23 |
| bill20r3 | some stuff I read on it's homepage suggested that it may, but I'm guessing it's not compiled into the nokia build. | 01:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody ever changed that film that protects n800's screen ? | 01:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | (that one that comes with it by default) | 01:25 |
| bill20r3 | I just left it on. | 01:26 |
| bill20r3 | I thihnk it's just for shipping, but I left it on anyway. It's pretty scratched up now. | 01:26 |
| bill20r3 | pupnik, just FYI, it says "CPU: Unknown core type dynamic, switching back to normal." | 01:27 |
| Sulis | does anyone here use python on the n800? | 01:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | bill20r3: it's easy to scratch it right ? my girlfriend just used it and left some scratchs (in this 1st film)..so, nothing to worry about right ? =) | 01:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | Sulis: I do.. | 01:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 01:28 |
| bill20r3 | and the title says "0.65 Cpu Cycles", it that helps any. | 01:28 |
| bill20r3 | Morhheuz, mine's all kinds of scratched up, I've had it maybe 6 weeks. | 01:28 |
| Pupnik | ah ok - looks like the speedup came from the 'auto' in cycles | 01:28 |
| Pupnik | i'm just stunned how fast the advmame2x scaler is running | 01:29 |
| Sulis | MoRpHeUz: do you make any graphical apps? i was wondering if the n800 needs any special consideration | 01:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | bill20r3: ok..thanks for that =).. | 01:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | Sulis: never had... =(..need to go now...you may ask aCiDBaSe maybe...take a look at pygame.. | 01:30 |
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| * bill20r3 really really wants a keyboard now. | 01:34 | |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: apt-cache search synergy | 01:35 |
| Pupnik | returns synergy-maemo here | 01:35 |
| bill20r3 | I must not have the repository. | 01:40 |
| bill20r3 | I'm going to flash tonight, then I'll reinstall everything and track it down. | 01:40 |
| bill20r3 | I've gotta go now, ttyl. | 01:41 |
| Pupnik | prince of persia doesn't see the keyboard | 01:41 |
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| Pupnik | sound blaster support works | 01:45 |
| Pupnik | fixed keyboard issue | 01:46 |
| Pupnik | prince of persia very playable without that sb16 fm emulation | 01:58 |
| Pupnik | am i right that there's no benefit to SDL double buffering? sdl_flip()? | 02:06 |
| daniels | benefit, yes. magic bullet, no. | 02:10 |
| Pupnik | testing with various apps now | 02:13 |
| Pupnik | this build runs fine up to 2MB PC RAM, which makes some sense - wouldn't want someone running a 80386 program on thi | 02:15 |
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| Sulis | omg, what's the user's default password on n800? | 02:31 |
| muzzydk_ | 12345 ? | 02:32 |
| muzzydk_ | (i can remember it because it's the same as i use for my luggage) | 02:33 |
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| Tak | muzzydk_++ | 02:33 |
| Sulis | erm, nope, i'm trying to ssh into it, not unlock it | 02:34 |
| Tak | I didn't think user had a pass by default? | 02:34 |
| Sulis | seems to | 02:35 |
| Tak | root has a default pass... | 02:36 |
| Sulis | yeah | 02:37 |
| Sulis | i can use that, just seems a bit silly | 02:37 |
| Tak | if you're running sshd, probably a good idea to reset root and user passwords | 02:38 |
| Sulis | yeah, well i just started it, don't intend to leave it running | 02:39 |
| * Pupnik is going to lose a couple of days playing old RPGs now | 02:44 | |
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| Pupnik | so far anything written for 80286 is unplayable | 03:07 |
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| Pupnik | testing Ultima 6 | 03:07 |
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| gomiam | Hi, I'm unable to find information on what the button on the headphone | 03:16 |
| gomiam | is used for. Any idea? | 03:16 |
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| Sulis | i'd imagine that it's for a phone too, and would disconnect any current call | 03:17 |
| gomiam | Argh, sorry, I forgot I'm talking about an N800 internet tablet | 03:18 |
| daniels | iirc you can use it to accept an incoming call | 03:20 |
| shackan | too bad the media player doesn't use it | 03:21 |
| gomiam | Since it hss no cell capabilities, I thought it might work the same way. It doesn't on Gizmo at least. I haven't been able to test it on the jabber client yet. | 03:21 |
| shackan | is there any way to catch those clicks from a program? | 03:21 |
| gomiam | There should, but I know of no program who uses them. | 03:22 |
| daniels | shackan: keysym XF86Phone or somesuch | 03:22 |
| shackan | daniels, cool | 03:23 |
| shackan | I'm tired of having to pick it out of my pocket whenever I have to change song or lower the volume, I've tought about controlling the player via 'morse-like' codes | 03:24 |
| gomiam | Anyway, thanks for answering. I'll keep playing with it, just in case. | 03:24 |
| bedboi | gomiam: i asked myself that too.. | 03:24 |
| bhima | Is there any other jabber client with video interoperability with the n800? | 03:24 |
| Pupnik | 0.7 fps in Ultima 6 intro :( | 03:25 |
| gomiam | I'd keep chatting, but I already lost a stylus and my typing on this n800 has slowed accordingly :) | 03:25 |
| bhima | gomiam: keyboard! real one! | 03:26 |
| Pupnik | i have to re-order stylii | 03:26 |
| gomiam | Yeah, 90€ and up. Not cheap | 03:26 |
| Pupnik | completely worth it | 03:27 |
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| gomiam | I'll go back to lurking at the Gizmo party line :) | 03:28 |
| gomiam | Have fun... | 03:28 |
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| * Pupnik HATES the 80x86 | 03:36 | |
| * Pupnik builds flex, texinfo, degjagnu, tcl8.3 and binutils | 03:44 | |
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| Pupnik | texi2html... | 03:46 |
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| polpak | Does anyone develop w/ python on this? | 03:48 |
| polpak | cause for some reason all the tutorials aren't working | 03:48 |
| polpak | afaict | 03:48 |
| Pupnik | there's been quite a bit of python interest lately | 03:48 |
| Pupnik | people using it | 03:48 |
| polpak | well, they work ok, except that I can't get it to add the hildon theming | 03:48 |
| polpak | the way the docs say it should | 03:49 |
| polpak | the only way I can get the hildon theme is to run my program with the run_standalone.sh script | 03:49 |
| Pupnik | ... debhelper, po4a, libmodule-build-perl.... | 03:50 |
| polpak | or I suppose it always has to use the run-standalone.sh | 03:52 |
| polpak | now that I'm looking at the docs more closely | 03:52 |
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| Pupnik | haha dependency orc horde | 04:03 |
| Pupnik | die by my sword! | 04:03 |
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| neostrider | anybody home? | 05:03 |
| Pupnik | hola | 05:05 |
| Pupnik | prince of persia is very playable | 05:05 |
| rev | hey | 05:08 |
| * rev is home | 05:08 | |
| Pupnik | sup rev | 05:08 |
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| rev | hey, how goes it? | 05:09 |
| rev | try compiling POSE yet? ;) | 05:09 |
| Pupnik | Pose Works | 05:10 |
| Pupnik | do you have time to test it? | 05:10 |
| rev | not this minute, but later tonight yeah | 05:11 |
| rev | i have to charge my 800 :) | 05:11 |
| Pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pose/ | 05:12 |
| rev | awesome, thanks! | 05:12 |
| rev | fun | 05:12 |
| rev | it doesn't include a ROM does it? | 05:12 |
| Pupnik | check the readme for rom info | 05:12 |
| neostrider | pupnik , great to know! | 05:13 |
| neostrider | how about some more oldschool games?! like, driller (space station obvilion) | 05:14 |
| Pupnik | every 8088 game i tried runs fast (not full speed) | 05:14 |
| Pupnik | but i am using advmame2x smoothing scaler also | 05:15 |
| neostrider | (testing on 770, right?) | 05:15 |
| Pupnik | ya | 05:15 |
| neostrider | GIMME THAT!!!!! | 05:15 |
| Pupnik | :) | 05:16 |
| neostrider | ;-) | 05:16 |
| neostrider | when its gonna be available? | 05:16 |
| Pupnik | depends on what you want | 05:17 |
| Pupnik | let me know how it works for you | 05:18 |
| neostrider | time for some Thexder! | 05:19 |
| Pupnik | especially i want to know if any 80286 games run playably | 05:19 |
| Pupnik | n770 right? | 05:19 |
| neostrider | yeah | 05:20 |
| neostrider | hey | 05:20 |
| neostrider | i need root to run this,right? | 05:20 |
| Pupnik | no | 05:20 |
| neostrider | you didnt gave me a .deb | 05:20 |
| neostrider | so...i wont have permissions to run this | 05:20 |
| Pupnik | you need xterm and keyboard | 05:21 |
| Pupnik | and root to install the sdl library | 05:21 |
| neostrider | ohhhh...I guess I will wait for a more finished version ;-P | 05:21 |
| neostrider | im keeping the device as vanilla as possible | 05:21 |
| neostrider | to emulate a "average joe's device" | 05:22 |
| Pupnik | ok | 05:22 |
| neostrider | (I know average joe goes to other devices, but..hey...I must keep as faithful as possible to the worst case) | 05:22 |
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| Pupnik | dosbox 0.70 running at 1/3 the speed of 0.65 | 06:03 |
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| _follower_ | i'm trying to get a 770 to hook up a net connection over usb to an ibook running os x 10.2.8 using the ajzaurususb kext on the mac. but it's not working. it seems like the 770 is presenting itself as a rdnis device rather than a cdc ethernet one. i notice there's a cdc_ether module but nothing seems to work without g_ether which seems to not present itself as cdc... any suggestions? :-) | 07:59 |
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| Pupnik | running MIPS benchmark, dosbox 0.65 on nokia 770 yields performance index exactly equal to IBM/AT 8mhz | 09:17 |
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| rvalles | Pupnik: quite sad | 09:23 |
| rvalles | Pupnik: I think even my A1200 with 68030@50 would do better than that. | 09:23 |
| rvalles | Pupnik: does dosbox not do JIT while running on ARM? | 09:24 |
| Pupnik | dosbox homepage says without dynamic cpu, you need a 400mhz P2 to get 12mhz 80286 speed | 09:25 |
| Pupnik | on arm, only 'normal' cpu mode is supported | 09:26 |
| rvalles | I see, so that's why | 09:29 |
| rvalles | (and newer amiga pc emulators do JIT too, so...) | 09:30 |
| Pupnik | took me about 10 hours to get something compiled to near XT speeds, so i'm pretty happy :) | 09:31 |
| Pupnik | dosbox 0.70 is running like molasses | 09:31 |
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| CountDown | Has anyone tried out MoRpHeUz's GMyth-Streamer on the N800? See http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/ . | 09:55 |
| Pupnik | I not yet. | 09:57 |
| Pupnik | Just compiled xu4 - Native SDL port/interpreter for Origin's Freeware Ultima IV | 09:58 |
| Pupnik | runs nice | 09:58 |
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| `0660 | Pupnik, by looking at the screenshots, it would be pretty amazing if that game would not run nice :) | 10:03 |
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| Pupnik | `0660: you'd be surprised how slow SDL ports of 8-bit games are | 10:17 |
| Pupnik | not just on the nokias | 10:17 |
| `0660 | strange | 10:20 |
| Pupnik | it's simply unoptimized vs optimized code | 10:20 |
| `0660 | naturally emulators are slow, but i always thought that ports would be pretty fast | 10:21 |
| Pupnik | for e.g. Star Control 2 ran on 8 mhz 8086s at full speed. The SDL port requires a pentium 200 and does the exact same thing. | 10:22 |
| `0660 | :/ | 10:22 |
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| * Pupnik is looking at TI's roadmap past the OMAP 2420 | 11:10 | |
| Pupnik | some speculate Nokia will drop TI and move to Freescale's i.300-30 3G platform | 11:11 |
| bhima | Why keep even the data sheets for a CPU under NDA? That just seems ridiculous to me. | 11:12 |
| CountDown | bhima: What company does that and with which CPU? | 11:14 |
| sxpert | bhima, because they're just a bunch of lawyers ? | 11:15 |
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| bhima | A lot of the OMAP 2420 docs are NDA only. | 11:18 |
| sxpert | what do they hide ?? :D | 11:18 |
| bhima | The decaying corpses of engineers they've kidnapped from other vendors. | 11:19 |
| Pupnik | has the OMAP3430 shipped in anything yet? | 11:19 |
| melmoth | kikoo | 11:19 |
| melmoth | oups | 11:19 |
| Pupnik | "Industry's first processor with advanced Superscalar ARM® Cortex(C"bB-A8 RISC core enabling 3x gain in performance" | 11:19 |
| Pupnik | that sounds kind of neat | 11:20 |
| sxpert | Pupnik, sounds like marketing bullshit | 11:21 |
| bhima | Hmm. google maps is somewhat usable on the newest n800 update. | 11:23 |
| sxpert | bhima, how about openstreetmap.org ? | 11:24 |
| bhima | Trying it now; when I used it last week on my desktop, it was very unreliable. | 11:25 |
| bhima | visual artifacts. Big white bar across the screen. | 11:26 |
| Pupnik | the ARM A8 core, which is integrated in the TI OMAP3430 is already 18 months old | 11:26 |
| Pupnik | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8755585702.html | 11:28 |
| rvalles | damn | 11:33 |
| rvalles | I hate to be reminded I don't have enough ARM toys. | 11:33 |
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| glass | Pupnik: sc2 didn't run fullspeed even on 12mhz 286's | 11:35 |
| glass | fps wasnt full | 11:35 |
| rvalles | PCs... | 11:36 |
| rvalles | my Amiga 500 was so much better. | 11:36 |
| Pupnik | glass, i overstated the case then | 11:36 |
| glass | 386's were pretty commonplace when it came out | 11:37 |
| keesj | Hi | 11:38 |
| Pupnik | talking to the UQM devs, i may be able to shave off some cycles by going to a fixed-freqency internal sound mixer | 11:39 |
| Pupnik | also converting the graphics to native 640x480 will help, to avoid the scaler | 11:40 |
| keesj | Jaffa: are you there? | 11:40 |
| Pupnik | hi keesj | 11:40 |
| keesj | did somebody already tried pixel doubling on the new updated n800? | 11:41 |
| glass | Pupnik: would drawing bigger sprites really be faster than scaling the whole thing? | 11:43 |
| keesj | yes, that is the idea | 11:44 |
| keesj | uses less bandwith | 11:44 |
| glass | i just have hard time that it would use less :< | 11:45 |
| glass | believing | 11:45 |
| glass | leaving words out | 11:45 |
| glass | 'cause i'm still drunk from yesterdays night out | 11:45 |
| keesj | understand I you :P | 11:45 |
| keesj | for my 2d rendering it will be a great speed up since my rendere depends on the surface to be rendered | 11:46 |
| keesj | 4 times less pixel to render == al lot faster! | 11:47 |
| glass | yeah doubling | 11:47 |
| glass | that will speed up of course | 11:47 |
| glass | but pupniks comment about converting uqm's graphics to 640x480 native | 11:48 |
| Pupnik | yes.. because Xsp pixel doubling is making me froth at the mouth | 11:53 |
| glass | heh | 11:54 |
| Pupnik | if i could just shut off whatever 'cleverness' in Xsp is turning off the doubling, i'd be happy | 11:55 |
| Pupnik | it's not just me either | 11:56 |
| glass | ah ok's | 11:56 |
| Pupnik | running doubled mplayer or fceu, the dubling flickers off if you have an X11 non-blank cursor (as needed for synergy) moving over the display area | 11:57 |
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| fish | re | 12:01 |
| fish | is there a recent howot to setup scratchbox? the maemo 2.2 tutorial is talking about 1.07 but there are now other commands to setup & configure targets.. | 12:02 |
| Pupnik | scratchbox provides howtos for each release | 12:04 |
| fish | well, okay, but the maemo 2.2 tutorial is wrong | 12:05 |
| Pupnik | you talking about sb-menu vs sb-config? | 12:06 |
| fish | yes | 12:06 |
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| Pupnik | http://test.maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html | 12:07 |
| Pupnik | what, exactly is incorrect? | 12:07 |
| keesj | I think the install.txt is correct | 12:08 |
| fish | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installation <- this is talking about sbox-config, but there is no sbox-config on scrachbox 1.07 (at least on mine) | 12:09 |
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| derf | Maybe it means sb-conf? | 12:09 |
| Pupnik | there is on 0.98 | 12:10 |
| fish | derf: no, the sbox-conf has different parameters | 12:10 |
| keesj | the best thing to understand is to looks at the 3.1 install.txt and apply that to 2.2 | 12:10 |
| fish | hehe ;) | 12:11 |
| keesj | that is you need to change the rootstrap file name | 12:11 |
| keesj | I have even modified the 3.1 install script to install the 2.2 | 12:11 |
| fish | looks like i got it working. but i guess you should change the tutorial | 12:12 |
| keesj | I am working on a qemu based image for this, | 12:12 |
| keesj | "you" ? | 12:12 |
| keesj | "it" should change itstelf ! | 12:12 |
| keesj | I am not one of them :) | 12:13 |
| fish | well, whoever ;) its not a wiki so i cant do it =) | 12:14 |
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| tigert | mvo: ping | 12:27 |
| mvo | pong | 12:28 |
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| JohnMeacham | so, who has the cheapest N800's online? the COMPUSA near me closed. and had a 20% off everything sale. including the N800, but my bud took the last one. | 12:31 |
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| tigert | mvo: seeing my msg? | 12:33 |
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| tigert | mvo: ping? :) | 12:36 |
| tigert | 2 packets transmitted, 1 received, 50% packet loss | 12:36 |
| mvo | ACK | 12:37 |
| mvo | I got your msg, you are not getting my replies? | 12:37 |
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| tigert | :) | 12:39 |
| tigert | no | 12:39 |
| tigert | are you identified? | 12:39 |
| tigert | the FSCKING freenode idiocy | 12:40 |
| mvo | No. | 12:40 |
| daniels | tigert: /umode +6 will fix that | 12:40 |
| tigert | ah ok | 12:40 |
| tigert | "unknown mode flag" | 12:40 |
| tigert | for mvo? | 12:40 |
| tigert | or how does that work? | 12:40 |
| JohnMeacham | anyone have experience with the sierra stowaway bluetooth keyboard? | 12:41 |
| Pupnik | yes | 12:41 |
| mvo | I lost my nick identity it seems.... didn't use it for a year or so. | 12:41 |
| tigert | I guess bluetooth keyboards are nice if you always are sitting on a table when using the device | 12:41 |
| * tigert thinks the extra annoyance of not getting msg's on freenode when you need them, | 12:42 | |
| tigert | is a lot worse than the benefit of not getting spam messages | 12:42 |
| daniels | tigert: i think you just type /umode +6 | 12:42 |
| daniels | or maybe freenode is more stupid | 12:42 |
| tigert | daniels: irssi did not like this | 12:42 |
| daniels | aha | 12:42 |
| Pupnik | bluetooth keyboard also works if you have a book or backpack or case to set it on | 12:42 |
| daniels | tigert: /m nickserv set unfiltered yes | 12:42 |
| tigert | set unfiltered on | 12:43 |
| tigert | is the syntax, but thanks | 12:43 |
| tigert | mvo: try again | 12:43 |
| mvo | K! | 12:43 |
| tigert | yay! | 12:43 |
| mvo | We hacked the system! | 12:43 |
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| plr_ | hello, I'm new to the maemo development. I found traces of an application called bloglines 770, but the development seems to be abandoned. I emailed the author, but he hasn't emailed me back. Does someone have the application or better enough, the source code? I would like to take a look of it and most likely continue to develop it | 12:57 |
| daniels | you mean http://www.viajeroo.com/notifier-1.0.tar.bz2 and http://www.viajeroo.com/notifier_1.0-2_arm.deb ? | 12:58 |
| daniels | or http://www.viajeroo.com/bloglines-0.5.tar.bz2 and http://www.viajeroo.com/bloglines_0.5-1_arm.deb | 12:59 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 13:01 |
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| plr_ | daniels: the latter | 13:07 |
| plr_ | daniels: but those links aren't working anymore | 13:08 |
| plr_ | daniels: any idea where to find it? | 13:22 |
| daniels | no idea, sorry | 13:22 |
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| plr_ | daniels: ok, no problem, it seems no one has any clue about it | 13:30 |
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| JohnMeacham | hmm.. amazon.com has them for $377... | 13:43 |
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| b0unc3 | if I put a new icon , I need to register it somewhere ? | 14:02 |
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| b0unc3 | is possible to use an absolute path for the icon in a .desktop file? | 14:21 |
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| sp3000 | hmm | 15:13 |
| sp3000 | using the danjon theme, I seem to be able to click on the right side of a fullscreen browser scrollbar | 15:13 |
| sp3000 | which is inconvenient | 15:13 |
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| JohnMeacham | ordered my n800 | 15:31 |
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| davyd | is there anyone who understands how DNS works in maemo? | 15:50 |
| davyd | I know that it is dnsmasq | 15:50 |
| davyd | but it's not playing the game | 15:50 |
| nomis | davyd: did you mess with /etc/resolv.conf ? | 15:56 |
| davyd | no | 15:56 |
| nomis | ok. That was the reason why it wasn't working for me at some point. | 15:56 |
| davyd | I'm trying to get it to dial a PPTP VPN | 15:56 |
| davyd | I've had it write out /tmp/resolv.conf.ppp0 | 15:57 |
| davyd | which /etc/dnsmasq.conf kinda implies it will read | 15:57 |
| davyd | but there is no love | 15:57 |
| nomis | sorry, no idea then. | 15:57 |
| davyd | no worries | 15:57 |
| * davyd looks up tcpdump for maemo | 15:58 | |
| davyd | hmm | 16:03 |
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| davyd | hmm, so I'm suspecting something in dnsmasq | 16:05 |
| davyd | tank17124178213:03:36.762481 IP Nokia770-49.1026 > Nokia770-49.domain: 27500+ A? www.ucc.asn.au. (32) | 16:09 |
| davyd | tank17124178213:03:36.762939 IP Nokia770-49.domain > Nokia770-49.1026: 27500 Refused 0/0/0 (32) | 16:09 |
| davyd | never sends anything out of another port | 16:09 |
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| sp3000 | oh, cool, bugzilla spam https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1200 | 16:18 |
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| sp3000 | I take it we don't have private bugzilla groups to hide such stuff :( or perhaps it's just the weekend effect | 16:19 |
| daniels | jesus christ | 16:19 |
| daniels | it is possible to delete bugs | 16:19 |
| sp3000 | I got blogspam linking to bugzilla.internet2.edu attachments today too | 16:20 |
| sp3000 | daniels: afaiui bugzilla doesn't much support deleting, but there are features for making things private to patricular user groups | 16:20 |
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| sp3000 | particular even | 16:20 |
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| sp3000 | which has more or less the same effect without the referential pitfalls | 16:21 |
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| daniels | sp3000: admins can enable certain bugs to be deleted | 16:24 |
| daniels | hooray: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | hmm. is this a new thing or something, I don't recall coming across this before today and that's the third instance | 16:26 |
| sp3000 | I'm sure irc.mozilla.org #mozwebtools knows all though | 16:27 |
| * sp3000 has to run | 16:27 | |
| daniels | *shrug*, i'm just nuking mine | 16:28 |
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| davyd | yes | 16:34 |
| davyd | success! | 16:34 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 16:55 |
| sp3000 | oh, "it is", not "is it" | 16:56 |
| robster | davyd: oh so you got your 770 now? | 16:56 |
| robster | davyd: woo.. | 16:56 |
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| davyd | robster ; yeah, got it on Wed | 17:09 |
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| davyd | just got PPTP VPNs running on it | 17:09 |
| * davyd wonders if the UCC link is still dodged up | 17:12 | |
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| melmoth | yo | 19:02 |
| melmoth | oups | 19:02 |
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| wolfg | I'm trying to port a gtk program written in c++ to maemo, but compile failed after adding "#include <hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h>" to source file. | 20:07 |
| wolfg | I'm using Maemo 2.2 SDK. The error message is "/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h:510: error: expected `;' before '*' token" . | 20:11 |
| daniels | try adding #include <X11/Xproto.h> before the hildon-program include, though that _really_ shouldn't happen | 20:13 |
| wolfg | Daelus, thanks :) but still have the same errors | 20:18 |
| wolfg | another error: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h:2775: error: `KeyCode' does not name a type | 20:18 |
| keesj | wolfg: is it a configure based program ? | 20:19 |
| wolfg | yes | 20:19 |
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| keesj | I have to eat .. | 20:20 |
| dragorn | you're missing a bunch of co-dependent header files. All those errors are missing types since you're not including things it needs. You'll have to track down all the headers it expects and include them. grep will be your friend. | 20:22 |
| daniels | something is quite brutally wrong | 20:25 |
| daniels | KeyCode is a CARD8, which is an unsigned char | 20:25 |
| daniels | if that can't be resolved, then something is screwed | 20:25 |
| wolfg | I found a KeyCode definition in a header file of my program. Does it cause the "KeyCode does not name a typ"e error? | 20:35 |
| daniels | yeah, KeyCode is an internal X type | 20:38 |
| wolfg | how to solve this prolem? I also notice the KeyCode definition of my program is in my namespace. | 20:42 |
| daniels | your namespace? | 20:42 |
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| wolfg | yes, namespace declared in the header file. | 20:44 |
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| daniels | c++? | 20:46 |
| wolfg | yes, a c++ program. | 20:47 |
| derf | Maybe the maemo headers aren't properly extern "C"? | 20:47 |
| daniels | and all the includes are always out of the namespace? | 20:48 |
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| daniels | i.e. you don't make the #include inside namespace Foo, and you don't have using Foo anywhere | 20:48 |
| derf | using Foo shouldn't assign things to the Foo namespace. | 20:49 |
| daniels | no, but it means that KeyCode is now ambiguous between Xproto.h's KeyCode, and Foo::KeyCode. | 20:51 |
| daniels | regardless, try the extern "C" bit | 20:52 |
| wolfg | You mean add the extern "C" bit to my header file in which declare KeyCode? | 20:55 |
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| Veggen | mmf. My file manager have startet crashing. More or less all the time. | 21:24 |
| Veggen | (n800) | 21:24 |
| Veggen | maybe I should try fsck'ing the memory cards. | 21:25 |
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| fuelfive | I'm trying to mount the dev root fs, and I'm getting "/dev/loop1: No such file or directory" | 21:50 |
| fuelfive | any ideas? | 21:50 |
| pcfe | fuelfive: seem the loop kernel module is not loaded | 21:51 |
| pcfe | fuelfive: try 'modprobe loop' and then try again | 21:52 |
| fuelfive | nice! that did it, except now I have "mount: mount point /media/jffs2 does not exist" | 21:53 |
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| pcfe | fuelfive: that's just what it says; there is no directory /media/jffs2 | 21:54 |
| pcfe | fuelfive: you're obviously following some howto. Just make e.g. '/mnt/import' and mount it there | 21:55 |
| pcfe | fuelfive: manually making directories under /media is something I would not do as it's unclean | 21:55 |
| fuelfive | yeah, I'm trying to follow http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ModifyingRootImage | 21:56 |
| pcfe | ah, I'm not sure you should be modifying your root image if these things are unclear to you. Lemme have a look at that howto. | 21:56 |
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| pcfe | fuelfive: follow the steps under 'Alternative way to get the image' | 21:58 |
| fuelfive | I'm happy to learn what's needed, but I figured the best way is to jump in | 21:58 |
| fuelfive | I just saw that | 21:58 |
| pcfe | fuelfive: from a quick read these should be more universal. | 21:58 |
| fuelfive | gotcha, I will try | 21:58 |
| fuelfive | thanks for the guidance | 21:58 |
| pcfe | Obviously you should be sure to have a working root image you can flash if things go wrong and feel comfortable with the flashing process | 21:58 |
| pcfe | np | 21:58 |
| fuelfive | I'm working on a copy of the dev root fs image | 21:59 |
| fuelfive | so that I can always just wipe it and start over | 21:59 |
| fuelfive | I'm just trying to learn at this point, so it's not like I'll lose any important work | 22:00 |
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| sbaturzio | what happened to http://www.mulliner.org bora/free repository? Packages.gz seems broken | 22:07 |
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| fuelfive | hmm... looks like something's wrong with the svn server? | 23:34 |
| fuelfive | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/integration/trunk/rootimagescripts/tar2jffs2.sh | 23:34 |
| fuelfive | ah, okay, I just use mkfs.jffs2 | 23:36 |
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| Pupnik | no screen-de-blanking applet available yet? | 23:50 |
| keesj | maemo-torch? | 23:56 |
| keesj | maemo-candle | 23:56 |
| keesj | Pupnik: you where using synergy right? | 23:57 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 23:58 |
| Pupnik | maemo-candle? cool - searching | 23:58 |
| Pupnik | can't find it - got a link keesj ? | 23:59 |
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