IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-04-07

Pupniknot like networking is real important for DOS00:01
Pupnikbut maybe the softmodem -> tcp/ip would be fun00:01
bill20r3do you know what package supplies libSDL_net?00:01
bill20r3hmm, maybe there's no deb for bora00:02
Pupniknor is there for mistral/scirroco00:02
bill20r3I have other libSDL_xxx packages installed, but there's no _net available.00:02
bill20r3did you roll your own?00:03
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bill20r3send it over.00:04
Pupniki don't think it's good to mix and match libraries from mistral to bora00:04
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bill20r3can you compile it in staticlly?00:05
bill20r3that's pretty cool that it runs anyway, now I can finally play TradeWars2000 again.00:05
Pupnikjust built a sdl-net .deb for it200600:06
bill20r3does it still run inside the xterm, or does it go full-screen?00:07
Pupnikonly tested full screen00:07
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Pupniklibsdl-net .deb for IT2006 / 770 --
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Pupniktesting sound00:08
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Pupniknot working yet00:10
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* Pupnik plays alley cat00:24
* bill20r3 grabs00:25
Pupnikbasically i think this is going to be limited to original ibm-pc games00:26
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Pupnikstartup time is good - maybe 5 seconds00:31
bill20r3no workie for me, of course.00:31
Pupnikvga mode works00:32
bill20r3not go buy an N800 so you can complile a version I can use.  :-)00:33
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* Pupnik plays ultima IV00:33
Pupnik2x software scaler works (sloww)00:40
bill20r3how big is it without scaling? 320x240?00:46
Pupnik320x200 iirc00:46
bill20r3so like 1/3 screen, tiny.00:47
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Pupnikdynamic cpu seems to work00:49
bill20r3dynamic cpu?00:49
PupnikHOLY CRAP it's so much faster00:50
bill20r3does that refer to changing the mhz on the fly?00:50
Pupnikrunning dosbox + dynamic CPU and advmame 2x scaler now00:50
Pupnikand it's so freakin sweet - i dunno 15 fps, 20 fps00:50
Pupniklike 4x faster00:51
Pupnikand the scaler OMG00:51
Pupnikyou know how much better those low res games look with 2xSAI or Hq2x scaler?00:51
bill20r3you taunt me.00:52
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Pupnikyou can extract libsdl_net from that package and copy it into your /usr/lib00:53
Pupnikjust don't blame me if it bricks00:53
Pupnikxms / ems still not working, nor is pc speaker or sb16 emulation though00:54
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Pupnikfullscreen / windowed switching works with alt-enter00:59
bill20r3there is a symlink " ->", but no file
Pupnikok sec01:01
Pupnikthere should be a libSDL_net file01:02
Pupnikwith 10436 size01:02
Pupnik10436 May 30  2006 /usr/lib/
Pupnikthen there should be a symlink to it01:02
Pupnik/usr/lib/ ->
Pupnikthen in the dosbox.conf change cga to vga01:04
bill20r3$ ls -l lib01:04
bill20r3-rw-r--r--  1 bill bill 11186 Apr  6 15:04 libSDL_net.a01:04
bill20r3-rw-r--r--  1 bill bill   938 Apr  6 15:04 libSDL_net.la01:04
bill20r3lrwxrwxrwx  1 bill bill    23 Apr  6 15:50 ->
Pupnikchange scaler to advmame2x01:04
bill20r3I have the symlink, but not the .so file.01:04
Pupniki'll put up the file for you01:04
bill20r3dunno man, I just did a "dpkg -x libsdl-net1.2-dev_1.2.5-7_armel.deb", and that's what I got.01:05
Pupnikok thanks i'll check that out01:05
Pupnikoh and also in dosbox.conf change01:05
Pupnikbill20r3: priv msg01:07
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neostriderhello folks01:08
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Pupnikpc speaker emulation working!01:11
neostriderpupnik, any game running?01:11
Pupnikyeah, playtesting Ultima IV01:11
neostridertried Prince of persia, as I sujested?01:11
Pupniki think that needs ems/xms01:12
bill20r3how do I bring up the keyboard/01:12
neostriderI used to run it on my 8088!01:12
Pupnikok, will try prince soon01:12
neostridermy 8088 had only 704K of RAM01:12
Pupnikbill, use synergy for keyboard01:12
neostriderand had a 10 Mhz processor01:12
* bill20r3 googles01:13
Pupnikbill, or bluetooth keyboard should work also01:14
bill20r3I bought one of those freedom mini-duo keyboard, apparently I have to use the SPP interface via kbdd01:14
Pupnikbill, does it start up?01:14
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bill20r3it starts, but I have no keyboard01:17
bill20r3I'm not finding synergy for the n800 anywhere.01:17
bill20r3if I switch windows, I cant get back to it.01:18
bill20r3it's still running, but I cant switch to it.01:18
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bill20r3the 'back-arrow' button generates a "\" and the middle of the D-pad generates an enter.01:19
bill20r3but that's all I can get.01:19
Pupniki should have asked if you had a keyboard first01:19
bill20r3I guess I should get a working bt keyboard.01:19
bill20r3it's still pretty cool.01:20
bill20r3I'm guessing it's not hildonized, so no virtual keyboard.01:20
bill20r3but at least ow you know the binary works on an N800.01:20
Pupniki don't know where synergy is hiding01:20
Pupnikyeah thanks for the test01:20
Pupniksynergy is seriously useful though - it crashes a bit (not a nokia problem) so you have to restart01:21
Pupnikwith synergy you can use one keyboard and mouse across multiple computers - even windows boxes01:22
bill20r3like x2x..01:22
bill20r3or x2vnc, I guess.01:22
bill20r3I just have dual monitors, and one pc.01:22
bill20r3do you know if the matchbox WM supports multiple desktops?01:23
bill20r3because that'd ge kind of cool.01:23
Pupnikno idea01:23
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Pupnikwith the 770 i usually don't run more than one app at once01:23
bill20r3some stuff I read on it's homepage suggested that it may, but I'm guessing it's not compiled into the nokia build.01:23
MoRpHeUzanybody ever changed that film that protects n800's screen ?01:25
MoRpHeUz(that one that comes with it by default)01:25
bill20r3I just left it on.01:26
bill20r3I thihnk it's just for shipping, but I left it on anyway.  It's pretty scratched up now.01:26
bill20r3pupnik, just FYI, it says "CPU: Unknown core type dynamic, switching back to normal."01:27
Sulisdoes anyone here use python on the n800?01:28
MoRpHeUzbill20r3: it's easy to scratch it right ? my girlfriend just used it and left some scratchs (in this 1st film), nothing to worry about right ? =)01:28
MoRpHeUzSulis: I do..01:28
bill20r3and the title says "0.65 Cpu Cycles", it that helps any.01:28
bill20r3Morhheuz, mine's all kinds of scratched up, I've had it maybe 6 weeks.01:28
Pupnikah ok - looks like the speedup came from the 'auto' in cycles01:28
Pupniki'm just stunned how fast the advmame2x scaler is running01:29
SulisMoRpHeUz: do you make any graphical apps? i was wondering if the n800 needs any special consideration01:29
MoRpHeUzbill20r3: ok..thanks for that =)..01:29
MoRpHeUzSulis: never had... =(..need to go may ask aCiDBaSe maybe...take a look at pygame..01:30
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* bill20r3 really really wants a keyboard now.01:34
Pupnikbill20r3: apt-cache search synergy01:35
Pupnikreturns synergy-maemo here01:35
bill20r3I must not have the repository.01:40
bill20r3I'm going to flash tonight, then I'll reinstall everything and track it down.01:40
bill20r3I've gotta go now, ttyl.01:41
Pupnikprince of persia doesn't see the keyboard01:41
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Pupniksound blaster support works01:45
Pupnikfixed keyboard issue01:46
Pupnikprince of persia very playable without that sb16 fm emulation01:58
Pupnikam i right that there's no benefit to SDL double buffering?  sdl_flip()?02:06
danielsbenefit, yes.  magic bullet, no.02:10
Pupniktesting with various apps now02:13
Pupnikthis build runs fine up to 2MB PC RAM, which makes some sense - wouldn't want someone running a 80386 program on thi02:15
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Sulisomg, what's the user's default password on n800?02:31
muzzydk_12345 ?02:32
muzzydk_(i can remember it because it's the same as i use for my luggage)02:33
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Suliserm, nope, i'm trying to ssh into it, not unlock it02:34
TakI didn't think user had a pass by default?02:34
Sulisseems to02:35
Takroot has a default pass...02:36
Sulisi can use that, just seems a bit silly02:37
Takif you're running sshd, probably a good idea to reset root and user passwords02:38
Sulisyeah, well i just started it, don't intend to leave it running02:39
* Pupnik is going to lose a couple of days playing old RPGs now02:44
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Pupnikso far anything written for 80286 is unplayable03:07
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Pupniktesting Ultima 603:07
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gomiamHi, I'm unable to find information on what the button on the headphone03:16
gomiamis used for. Any idea?03:16
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Sulisi'd imagine that it's for a phone too, and would disconnect any current call03:17
gomiamArgh, sorry, I forgot I'm talking about an N800 internet tablet03:18
danielsiirc you can use it to accept an incoming call03:20
shackantoo bad the media player doesn't use it03:21
gomiamSince it hss no cell capabilities, I thought it might work the same way. It doesn't on Gizmo at least. I haven't been able to test it on the jabber client yet.03:21
shackanis there any way to catch those clicks from a program?03:21
gomiamThere should, but I know of no program who uses them.03:22
danielsshackan: keysym XF86Phone or somesuch03:22
shackandaniels, cool03:23
shackanI'm tired of having to pick it out of my pocket whenever I have to change song or lower the volume, I've tought about controlling the player via 'morse-like' codes03:24
gomiamAnyway, thanks for answering. I'll keep playing with it, just in case.03:24
bedboigomiam: i asked myself that too..03:24
bhimaIs there any other jabber client with video interoperability with the n800?03:24
Pupnik0.7 fps in Ultima 6 intro :(03:25
gomiamI'd keep chatting, but I already lost a stylus and my typing on this n800 has slowed accordingly :)03:25
bhimagomiam: keyboard! real one!03:26
Pupniki have to re-order stylii03:26
gomiamYeah, 90€ and up. Not cheap03:26
Pupnikcompletely worth it03:27
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gomiamI'll go back to lurking at the Gizmo party line :)03:28
gomiamHave fun...03:28
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* Pupnik HATES the 80x8603:36
* Pupnik builds flex, texinfo, degjagnu, tcl8.3 and binutils03:44
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polpakDoes anyone develop w/ python on this?03:48
polpakcause for some reason all the tutorials aren't working03:48
Pupnikthere's been quite a bit of python interest lately03:48
Pupnikpeople using it03:48
polpakwell, they work ok, except that I can't get it to add the hildon theming03:48
polpakthe way the docs say it should03:49
polpakthe only way I can get the hildon theme is to run my program with the script03:49
Pupnik... debhelper, po4a, libmodule-build-perl....03:50
polpakor I suppose it always has to use the run-standalone.sh03:52
polpaknow that I'm looking at the docs more closely03:52
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Pupnikhaha dependency orc horde04:03
Pupnikdie by my sword!04:03
* Pupnik hates native language support 04:05
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neostrideranybody home?05:03
Pupnikprince of persia is very playable05:05
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Pupniksup rev05:08
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revhey, how goes it?05:09
revtry compiling POSE yet? ;)05:09
PupnikPose Works05:10
Pupnikdo you have time to test it?05:10
revnot this minute, but later tonight yeah05:11
revi have to charge my 800 :)05:11
revawesome, thanks!05:12
revit doesn't include a ROM does it?05:12
Pupnikcheck the readme for rom info05:12
neostriderpupnik , great to know!05:13
neostriderhow about some more oldschool games?! like, driller (space station obvilion)05:14
Pupnikevery 8088 game i tried runs fast (not full speed)05:14
Pupnikbut i am using advmame2x smoothing scaler also05:15
neostrider(testing on 770, right?)05:15
neostriderGIMME THAT!!!!!05:15
neostriderwhen its gonna be available?05:16
Pupnikdepends on what you want05:17
Pupniklet me know how it works for you05:18
neostridertime for some Thexder!05:19
Pupnikespecially i want to know if any 80286 games run playably05:19
Pupnikn770 right?05:19
neostrideri need root to run this,right?05:20
neostrideryou didnt gave me a .deb05:20
neostriderso...i wont have permissions to run this05:20
Pupnikyou need xterm and keyboard05:21
Pupnikand root to install the sdl library05:21
neostriderohhhh...I guess I will wait for a more finished version ;-P05:21
neostriderim keeping the device as vanilla as possible05:21
neostriderto emulate a "average joe's device"05:22
neostrider(I know average joe goes to other devices, but..hey...I must keep as faithful as possible to the worst case)05:22
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Pupnikdosbox 0.70 running at 1/3 the speed of 0.6506:03
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_follower_i'm trying to get a 770 to hook up a net connection over usb to an ibook running os x 10.2.8 using the ajzaurususb kext on the mac. but it's not working. it seems like the 770 is presenting itself as a rdnis device rather than a cdc ethernet one. i notice there's a cdc_ether module but nothing seems to work without g_ether which seems to not present itself as cdc... any suggestions? :-)07:59
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Pupnikrunning MIPS benchmark, dosbox 0.65 on nokia 770 yields performance index exactly equal to IBM/AT 8mhz09:17
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rvallesPupnik: quite sad09:23
rvallesPupnik: I think even my A1200 with 68030@50 would do better than that.09:23
rvallesPupnik: does dosbox not do JIT while running on ARM?09:24
Pupnikdosbox homepage says without dynamic cpu, you need a 400mhz P2 to get 12mhz 80286 speed09:25
Pupnikon arm, only 'normal' cpu mode is supported09:26
rvallesI see, so that's why09:29
rvalles(and newer amiga pc emulators do JIT too, so...)09:30
Pupniktook me about 10 hours to get something compiled to near XT speeds, so i'm pretty happy :)09:31
Pupnikdosbox 0.70 is running like molasses09:31
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CountDownHas anyone tried out MoRpHeUz's GMyth-Streamer on the N800?  See .09:55
PupnikI not yet.09:57
PupnikJust compiled xu4 - Native SDL port/interpreter for Origin's Freeware Ultima IV09:58
Pupnikruns nice09:58
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`0660Pupnik, by looking at the screenshots, it would be pretty amazing if that game would not run nice :)10:03
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Pupnik`0660: you'd be surprised how slow SDL ports of 8-bit games are10:17
Pupniknot just on the nokias10:17
Pupnikit's simply unoptimized vs optimized code10:20
`0660naturally emulators are slow, but i always thought that ports would be pretty fast10:21
Pupnikfor e.g. Star Control 2 ran on 8 mhz 8086s at full speed.  The SDL port requires a pentium 200 and does the exact same thing.10:22
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* Pupnik is looking at TI's roadmap past the OMAP 242011:10
Pupniksome speculate Nokia will drop TI and move to Freescale's i.300-30 3G platform11:11
bhimaWhy keep even the data sheets for a CPU under NDA? That just seems ridiculous to me.11:12
CountDownbhima: What company does that and with which CPU?11:14
sxpertbhima, because they're just a bunch of lawyers ?11:15
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bhimaA lot of the OMAP 2420 docs are NDA only.11:18
sxpertwhat do they hide ?? :D11:18
bhimaThe decaying corpses of engineers they've kidnapped from other vendors.11:19
Pupnikhas the OMAP3430 shipped in anything yet?11:19
Pupnik"Industry's first processor with advanced Superscalar ARM® Cortex(C"bB-A8 RISC core enabling 3x gain in performance"11:19
Pupnikthat sounds kind of neat11:20
sxpertPupnik, sounds like marketing bullshit11:21
bhimaHmm. google maps is somewhat usable on the newest n800 update.11:23
sxpertbhima, how about ?11:24
bhimaTrying it now; when I used it last week on my desktop, it was very unreliable.11:25
bhimavisual artifacts. Big white bar across the screen.11:26
Pupnikthe ARM A8 core, which is integrated in the TI OMAP3430 is already 18 months old11:26
rvallesI hate to be reminded I don't have enough ARM toys.11:33
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glassPupnik: sc2 didn't run fullspeed even on 12mhz 286's11:35
glassfps wasnt full11:35
rvallesmy Amiga 500 was so much better.11:36
Pupnikglass, i overstated the case then11:36
glass386's were pretty commonplace when it came out11:37
Pupniktalking to the UQM devs, i may be able to shave off some cycles by going to a fixed-freqency internal sound mixer11:39
Pupnikalso converting the graphics to native 640x480 will help, to avoid the scaler11:40
keesjJaffa: are you there?11:40
Pupnikhi keesj11:40
keesjdid somebody already tried pixel doubling on the new updated n800?11:41
glassPupnik: would drawing bigger sprites really be faster than scaling the whole thing?11:43
keesjyes, that is the idea11:44
keesjuses less bandwith11:44
glassi just have hard time that it would use less :<11:45
glassleaving words out11:45
glass'cause i'm still drunk from yesterdays night out11:45
keesjunderstand I you :P11:45
keesjfor my 2d rendering it will be a great speed up since my rendere depends on the surface to be rendered11:46
keesj4 times less pixel to render == al lot faster!11:47
glassyeah doubling11:47
glassthat will speed up of course11:47
glassbut pupniks comment about converting uqm's graphics to 640x480 native11:48
Pupnikyes.. because Xsp pixel doubling is making me froth at the mouth11:53
Pupnikif i could just shut off whatever 'cleverness' in Xsp is turning off the doubling, i'd be happy11:55
Pupnikit's not just me either11:56
glassah ok's11:56
Pupnikrunning doubled mplayer or fceu, the dubling flickers off if you have an X11 non-blank cursor (as needed for synergy) moving over the display area11:57
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fishis there a recent howot to setup scratchbox? the maemo 2.2 tutorial is talking about 1.07 but there are now other commands to setup & configure targets..12:02
Pupnikscratchbox provides howtos for each release12:04
fishwell, okay, but the maemo 2.2 tutorial is wrong12:05
Pupnikyou talking about sb-menu vs sb-config?12:06
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Pupnikwhat, exactly is incorrect?12:07
keesjI think the install.txt is correct12:08
fish <- this is talking about sbox-config, but there is no sbox-config on scrachbox 1.07 (at least on mine)12:09
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derfMaybe it means sb-conf?12:09
Pupnikthere is on 0.9812:10
fishderf: no, the sbox-conf has different parameters12:10
keesjthe best thing to understand is to looks at the 3.1 install.txt and apply that to 2.212:10
fishhehe ;)12:11
keesjthat is you need to change the rootstrap file name12:11
keesjI have even modified the 3.1 install script to install the 2.212:11
fishlooks like i got it working. but i guess you should change the tutorial12:12
keesjI am working on a qemu based image for this,12:12
keesj"you" ?12:12
keesj"it" should change itstelf !12:12
keesjI am not one of them :)12:13
fishwell, whoever ;) its not a wiki so i cant do it =)12:14
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tigertmvo: ping12:27
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JohnMeachamso, who has the cheapest N800's online? the COMPUSA near me closed. and had a 20% off everything sale. including the N800, but my bud took the last one.12:31
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tigertmvo: seeing my msg?12:33
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tigertmvo: ping? :)12:36
tigert2 packets transmitted, 1 received, 50% packet loss12:36
mvoI got your msg, you are not getting my replies?12:37
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tigertare you identified?12:39
tigertthe FSCKING freenode idiocy12:40
danielstigert: /umode +6 will fix that12:40
tigertah ok12:40
tigert"unknown mode flag"12:40
tigertfor mvo?12:40
tigertor how does that work?12:40
JohnMeachamanyone have experience with the sierra stowaway bluetooth keyboard?12:41
mvoI lost my nick identity it seems.... didn't use it for a year or so.12:41
tigertI guess bluetooth keyboards are nice if you always are sitting on a table when using the device12:41
* tigert thinks the extra annoyance of not getting msg's on freenode when you need them,12:42
tigertis a lot worse than the benefit of not getting spam messages12:42
danielstigert: i think you just type /umode +612:42
danielsor maybe freenode is more stupid12:42
tigertdaniels: irssi did not like this12:42
Pupnikbluetooth keyboard also works if you have a book or backpack or case to set it on12:42
danielstigert: /m nickserv set unfiltered yes12:42
tigertset unfiltered on12:43
tigertis the syntax, but thanks12:43
tigertmvo: try again12:43
mvoWe hacked the system!12:43
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plr_hello, I'm new to the maemo development. I found traces of an application called bloglines 770, but the development seems to be abandoned. I emailed the author, but he hasn't emailed me back. Does someone have the application or better enough, the source code? I would like to take a look of it and most likely continue to develop it12:57
danielsyou mean and ?12:58
danielsor and
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plr_daniels: the latter13:07
plr_daniels: but those links aren't working anymore13:08
plr_daniels: any idea where to find it?13:22
danielsno idea, sorry13:22
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plr_daniels: ok, no problem, it seems no one has any clue about it13:30
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JohnMeachamhmm.. has them for $377...13:43
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b0unc3if I put a new icon , I need to register it somewhere ?14:02
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b0unc3is possible to use an absolute path for the icon in a .desktop file?14:21
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sp3000using the danjon theme, I seem to be able to click on the right side of a fullscreen browser scrollbar15:13
sp3000which is inconvenient15:13
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JohnMeachamordered my n80015:31
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davydis there anyone who understands how DNS works in maemo?15:50
davydI know that it is dnsmasq15:50
davydbut it's not playing the game15:50
nomisdavyd: did you mess with /etc/resolv.conf ?15:56
nomisok. That was the reason why it wasn't working for me at some point.15:56
davydI'm trying to get it to dial a PPTP VPN15:56
davydI've had it write out /tmp/resolv.conf.ppp015:57
davydwhich /etc/dnsmasq.conf kinda implies it will read15:57
davydbut there is no love15:57
nomissorry, no idea then.15:57
davydno worries15:57
* davyd looks up tcpdump for maemo15:58
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davydhmm, so I'm suspecting something in dnsmasq16:05
davydtank17124178213:03:36.762481 IP Nokia770-49.1026 > Nokia770-49.domain:  27500+ A? (32)16:09
davydtank17124178213:03:36.762939 IP Nokia770-49.domain > Nokia770-49.1026:  27500 Refused 0/0/0 (32)16:09
davydnever sends anything out of another port16:09
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sp3000oh, cool, bugzilla spam
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sp3000I take it we don't have private bugzilla groups to hide such stuff :( or perhaps it's just the weekend effect16:19
danielsjesus christ16:19
danielsit is possible to delete bugs16:19
sp3000I got blogspam linking to attachments today too16:20
sp3000daniels: afaiui bugzilla doesn't much support deleting, but there are features for making things private to patricular user groups16:20
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sp3000particular even16:20
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sp3000which has more or less the same effect  without the referential pitfalls16:21
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danielssp3000: admins can enable certain bugs to be deleted16:24
sp3000hmm. is this a new thing or something, I don't recall coming across this before today and that's the third instance16:26
sp3000I'm sure #mozwebtools knows all though16:27
* sp3000 has to run16:27
daniels*shrug*, i'm just nuking mine16:28
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bedboihi there.16:55
sp3000oh, "it is", not "is it"16:56
robsterdavyd: oh so you got your 770 now?16:56
robsterdavyd: woo..16:56
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davydrobster ; yeah, got it on Wed17:09
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davydjust got PPTP VPNs running on it17:09
* davyd wonders if the UCC link is still dodged up17:12
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wolfgI'm trying to port a gtk program written in c++ to maemo, but compile failed after adding "#include <hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h>" to source file.20:07
wolfgI'm using Maemo 2.2 SDK. The error message is "/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h:510: error: expected `;' before '*' token" .20:11
danielstry adding #include <X11/Xproto.h> before the hildon-program include, though that _really_ shouldn't happen20:13
wolfgDaelus, thanks :) but still have the same errors20:18
wolfganother error:  /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h:2775: error: `KeyCode' does not name a type20:18
keesjwolfg: is it a configure based program ?20:19
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keesjI have to eat ..20:20
dragornyou're missing a bunch of co-dependent header files.  All those errors are missing types since you're not including things it needs.  You'll have to track down all the headers it expects and include them.  grep will be your friend.20:22
danielssomething is quite brutally wrong20:25
danielsKeyCode is a CARD8, which is an unsigned char20:25
danielsif that can't be resolved, then something is screwed20:25
wolfgI found a KeyCode definition in a header file of my program. Does it cause the "KeyCode does not name a typ"e error?20:35
danielsyeah, KeyCode is an internal X type20:38
wolfghow to solve this prolem? I also notice the KeyCode definition of my program is in my namespace.20:42
danielsyour namespace?20:42
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wolfgyes, namespace declared in the header file.20:44
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wolfgyes, a c++ program.20:47
derfMaybe the maemo headers aren't properly extern "C"?20:47
danielsand all the includes are always out of the namespace?20:48
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danielsi.e. you don't make the #include inside namespace Foo, and you don't have using Foo anywhere20:48
derfusing Foo shouldn't assign things to the Foo namespace.20:49
danielsno, but it means that KeyCode is now ambiguous between Xproto.h's KeyCode, and Foo::KeyCode.20:51
danielsregardless, try the extern "C" bit20:52
wolfgYou mean add  the extern "C" bit to my header file in which declare KeyCode?20:55
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Veggenmmf. My file manager have startet crashing. More or less all the time.21:24
Veggenmaybe I should try fsck'ing the memory cards.21:25
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fuelfiveI'm trying to mount the dev root fs, and I'm getting "/dev/loop1: No such file or directory"21:50
fuelfiveany ideas?21:50
pcfefuelfive: seem the loop kernel module is not loaded21:51
pcfefuelfive: try 'modprobe loop' and then try again21:52
fuelfivenice! that did it, except now I have "mount: mount point /media/jffs2 does not exist"21:53
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pcfefuelfive: that's just what it says; there is no directory /media/jffs221:54
pcfefuelfive: you're obviously following some howto. Just make e.g. '/mnt/import' and mount it there21:55
pcfefuelfive: manually making directories under /media is something I would not do as it's unclean21:55
fuelfiveyeah, I'm trying to follow
pcfeah, I'm not sure you should be modifying your root image if these things are unclear to you. Lemme have a look at that howto.21:56
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pcfefuelfive: follow the steps under 'Alternative way to get the image'21:58
fuelfiveI'm happy to learn what's needed, but I figured the best way is to jump in21:58
fuelfiveI just saw that21:58
pcfefuelfive: from a quick read these should be more universal.21:58
fuelfivegotcha, I will try21:58
fuelfivethanks for the guidance21:58
pcfeObviously you should be sure to have a working root image you can flash if things go wrong and feel comfortable with the flashing process21:58
fuelfiveI'm working on a copy of the dev root fs image21:59
fuelfiveso that I can always just wipe it and start over21:59
fuelfiveI'm just trying to learn at this point, so it's not like I'll lose any important work22:00
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sbaturziowhat happened to bora/free  repository? Packages.gz seems broken22:07
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fuelfivehmm... looks like something's wrong with the svn server?23:34
fuelfiveah, okay, I just use mkfs.jffs223:36
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Pupnikno screen-de-blanking applet available yet?23:50
keesjPupnik: you where using synergy right?23:57
Pupnikmaemo-candle?  cool - searching23:58
Pupnikcan't find it - got a link keesj ?23:59

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