IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-04-06

jkyrosbaturzio: use python :)00:00
sbaturziofor just to write "File updated" message box?00:00
*** zyxulnag1 has joined #maemo00:01
jkyrowell that's not many lines I think00:01
jkyroif you want to use the small info box00:01
sbaturziobut from a "bash/busybox" script does it really worth to load python for opening just a small info box?00:03
*** pdz has quit IRC00:04
bill20r3are there modules to do gtk gui in perl, or only in python?00:04
*** Pio has quit IRC00:04
sbaturziomaybe using dbus?00:05
*** Pio has joined #maemo00:05
jkyrocould be00:05
||cwsbaturzio: are you using 770 or 800?00:05
jkyroalthough the python is not that big and the widgets are native anyway00:05
jkyro'import gtk' does take a while though00:06
bill20r3but I know perl, and not python. :-/00:07
||cwsbaturzio: hm.  overwriting the ics I have some things on the wrong day00:07
bill20r3I suppose I could learn.00:07
jkyrobill20r3: is there a perl interpreter for the device?00:07
bill20r3I dont know/when I installed it, but it's on my N800.00:08
jkyrook, good00:08
bill20r3it was probablly a dependancy for something else.00:08
sbaturzio||cw: which is your timezone?00:09
||cwsbaturzio: interestingly, the one that's wrong is a reoccuring.  the rest are right00:09
||cwsbaturzio: central US00:09
||cwbut that hsouldn't matter now, we;re back on "normal" time00:09
sbaturzio||cw: keep an eye because seems importing from google it load the calendar with a wrong timezone00:10
sbaturziomy calendar seem 2 hours behind00:10
sbaturziobut maybe I have misconfigured my gcalendar00:10
||cwsbaturzio: the reoccuring shows as mightnight the next day, where as everything is right.  and the reoccuring ones I also cannot open to get details00:11
*** slomo has quit IRC00:11
sbaturzio||cw: try to redefine that entry, maybe there is something wrong inside00:12
||cwsbaturzio: the ical is right.  Dtes is doing something odd with the gcal reoccuring events though00:12
sbaturzioI see00:12
||cwwell, reoccuring is what I have issues with gpe too, but at least it loads here00:12
sbaturziois there a dbus guide for n800, somewhere? Is there a way to open the info box from command line?00:13
*** zyxulnaga has quit IRC00:13
*** dieguito has quit IRC00:13
derfThe info box?00:14
||cwsbaturzio: there is dbus-send, looks like it takes an object path and such00:14
sbaturzio||cw: thank you. I'll give it a try00:14
*** Pio has quit IRC00:14
* Pupnik just wrote the 2nd 770 review for Amazon.de00:15
derfI never found a dbus guide, but dbus-monitor --system was most helpful.00:15
||cwsbaturzio: this is cool though, thanks for the tip about Dates and gcal00:15
sbaturzio||cw: np00:16
*** dieguito has joined #maemo00:16
jkyrohaven't seen dbus interface documentation anywhere, would like to know if there is some00:16
sbaturzio||cw: I've sent my script to maddler, I hope he will publish it on his blog soon00:17
derfjkyro: I'm pretty sure the answer is "no".00:17
*** Pio has joined #maemo00:17
*** monteslu has joined #maemo00:17
jkyrowell, I suppose dbus is introspectable somehow00:18
jkyroand there's always the trial and error method :)00:18
||cwkind of thin though00:20
*** dolske has joined #maemo00:25
*** soothsay has joined #maemo00:27
soothsayI was trying to Flash my N800, holding home and powered it on. Now it is stuck at Nokia screen with USB icon at top right.00:28
soothsayI can't seem to turn it off.00:28
soothsayWhat should I do?00:29
*** pdz has joined #maemo00:29
*** booiiing has quit IRC00:30
*** jwb is now known as jwb_gone00:30
soothsayNever mind, I got it going00:31
*** booiiing has joined #maemo00:32
*** inode0 has left #maemo00:33
*** FlavioCarvalho has quit IRC00:35
*** renatofilho has quit IRC00:39
gpdhmm.. just flashed and now I have none of my custom installed apps :(00:40
gpdshould hae realized this - but haven't flashed since day 400:40
* gpd stabs self in face00:40
bill20r3that blows.00:40
*** pdz- has quit IRC00:41
*** jpetersen__ has joined #maemo00:48
*** krau has quit IRC00:48
*** pdz- has joined #maemo00:53
*** mat has quit IRC00:54
*** rkaway is now known as rambokid00:55
*** jpetersen__ has quit IRC00:57
*** etrunko has quit IRC00:58
daniels... ?01:01
sbaturziowow...just made # /etc/init.d/dbus restart   and the whole n800 rebooted ;-)01:03
*** jpetersen_ has quit IRC01:04
*** pdz has quit IRC01:04
rambokiddaniels: can you please take a look at ?01:05
danielssbaturzio: yeah, that'll happen as all the apps using dbus will just die instantly01:05
danielssbaturzio: this is libdbus's awesome API01:05
sbaturziodaniels: I see01:06
danielsrambokid: it's on my todo list.  need to sleep now though.01:06
sbaturziobut I still wonder if I can send small messages from bash script... :-)01:06
rambokiddaniels: thanks, good night ;)01:06
danielssbaturzio: dbus-send01:06
sbaturziodaniels: yes...was looking at it...but don't donf enough documentation...or I'm not enough developer to understand what I've found ;-)01:07
*** korpios has quit IRC01:15
*** mazzen has quit IRC01:24
*** garrett has quit IRC01:27
*** greentux_ has quit IRC01:27
*** Vudentz has quit IRC01:30
Pupnikjust takes focused study01:30
*** bipolar has joined #maemo01:38
Pupniki don't understand how my last two binaries for N770 and IT2006 work on N800 IT200701:46
*** soothsay has quit IRC01:48
*** booiiing has quit IRC01:48
*** dieguito has quit IRC01:49
*** Radar has joined #maemo01:53
*** soothsay has joined #maemo01:57
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo01:57
*** SunWuKung has quit IRC02:00
*** fuelfive has joined #maemo02:01
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo02:01
fuelfivehmmm... following the 3.1 SDK install instructions, and I've hit this:02:02
fuelfiveCouldn't find package xserver-xephyr02:02
fuelfivewhen I enter apt-get install xserver-xephyr02:02
fuelfiveoh, maybe I need the unstabled flag02:03
*** zyxulnaga has joined #maemo02:03
*** florian__ has quit IRC02:05
*** florian has quit IRC02:06
*** booiiing has joined #maemo02:08
*** zyxulnag1 has quit IRC02:08
sbaturziouhm.....seems if-up.d scripts are not executed02:09
*** glenux has joined #maemo02:12
b0unc3is required something special to use a presonal icon by the logical name (qgn_bla_bla_bla) ?02:16
*** kender has quit IRC02:17
sp3000logical, heh02:17
b0unc3I don't know why it's working well on n800 and not on 77002:18
*** dieguito has joined #maemo02:18
b0unc3the docs say the same things... mah...02:18
*** nelson has quit IRC02:24
*** nelson has joined #maemo02:24
*** s100user has joined #maemo02:25
b0unc3someone with a 770 around?02:26
s100userme.. :)02:27
b0unc3s100user: good, can you test a little thing for me ?02:27
s100userb0unc3: ok, explain what you want02:27
s100userb0unc3: ?02:30
*** jonty_ has joined #maemo02:30
b0unc3ok, install this .deb
b0unc3and look in the control panel02:30
s100userb0unc3: humm... I thought you wanted some general help... I don't really feel like installing an unknown binary.. sorry...02:32
b0unc3Pupnik: you see an new entry ?02:32
Pupniki see IDEA in control panel02:32
b0unc3s100user: np02:32
b0unc3Pupnik: with a default icon ?02:33
Pupnikyou should add a 'cancel' button next to "OK"02:33
Pupniklooks like a white page02:33
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC02:35
Pupniki can pull up the 'set icon' page02:35
Pupnikand it shows a few icons02:35
Pupnikbut clicking on one icon brings up file browser02:35
b0unc3Pupnik: yes, you need to load the home applet :)02:35
*** kb7sqi has joined #maemo02:36
*** ajturner has quit IRC02:36
Pupnikdpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `hild' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.02:37
Pupniki see that when installing/uninstalling02:37
b0unc3Pupnik: my package is *idea* not hild, I suppose it is caused by other sw you have installed02:39
*** SunWuKung has quit IRC02:40
Pupniki installed with dpkg -i idea*.deb02:40
*** glenux has quit IRC02:41
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo02:42
b0unc3Pupnik: yes, it's right02:43
*** sabotage is now known as sabotage_afk02:48
b0unc3Pupnik: are you using idea ?02:48
*** jonty_ has quit IRC02:49
Pupniki ran it02:50
Pupnikwhat's it for?02:50
b0unc3Pupnik: it's an 'application launcher'02:50
*** chibiAcyd has joined #maemo02:52
*** sbaturzio has quit IRC02:54
Pupnikah, so ppl don't have to start stuff from xterm?02:54
Pupnikcan it link an icon to an existing executeable?02:55
*** krau has joined #maemo02:55
b0unc3Pupnik: if the executeable have a dbus support02:55
Pupnikah cool02:56
*** sp3000 has quit IRC02:56
*** bilboed has quit IRC02:56
b0unc3Pupnik: create a new icon (save it) and go to the last table, to see if your executeable is listed02:56
*** SunWuKung has quit IRC02:57
Pupniki don't know of any dbus executeables02:57
b0unc3Pupnik: the last table can hel you, double click on a entry and you will see (in a combo box) all the executeable that use dbus02:59
b0unc3I think I'll make a video-guide02:59
Pupniktrying it02:59
Pupnikok i have started idea03:00
Pupniki see two tabs Icon Setting and label setting03:00
Pupnikthen Icon Dimension03:00
PupnikTOT ICON03:00
Pupnikand Apply03:00
b0unc3yes, increase tot icon, and after click on set03:01
Pupnikuser does not know this without instructions03:01
Pupniknow i see "Click to Set Icon" field at lower right.  but Set ICON window should be bigger03:01
PupnikClick on 'Click to Set Icon'?03:02
Pupniknow i get "Open File" dialog, at home dir (Audio clips, Documents, Images etc)03:02
Pupnikwhere are icons?03:03
Pupnikshould i see icons in the  Open File dialog?03:03
b0unc3the standard icons is in /usr/share/icons.. but the purpose of this is for use a non-standard-icon ( that you may have in your mmc)03:04
Pupnikah ok03:04
b0unc3if you wuold like to use a standard icon, set only the label03:05
b0unc3and in the last table , check out the chackbox that say "use default icon"03:05
Pupnikok . did i answer your debugging question btw?03:06
Pupnikhave clicked on OK and applet has quit03:06
b0unc3you have to click on apply before03:07
*** Yamazaki-kun has joined #maemo03:08
Pupniki click on apply from label setting window, then OK03:08
Pupnikand app closes03:08
Pupnikit did not ask me what executable to link icon to03:08
b0unc3you have to go to the last table to set it03:09
*** behdad has quit IRC03:09
Pupnikoh there are multiple tabs and a right arrow03:09
Pupnikuser does not know this either03:09
PupnikUI tip: if you have a serial process, then present it to the user as a series of windows03:10
Pupnikstep 1, step 2, step 3 etc03:10
b0unc3Pupnik: it's not a serial process...03:11
Pupnikah ok03:11
b0unc3suppose you want to change only the label.. or the icon...03:11
Pupnikthe linking to executeable step i think is needed03:13
Pupnikthink in terms of processes03:14
Pupnikwhat does user want to do with program03:14
Pupnikprompt for input and serialise inputs for each task03:14
Pupnikor leave it the way you like to use it, but write a document explaining the steps03:15
b0unc3yes, I agree03:15
Pupnikmaking soup .. bbl03:16
b0unc3ok... need to sleep now though03:18
PupnikA domani03:20
PupnikDevo andare adesso.03:21
*** neostrider has joined #maemo03:25
neostriderhello fellows03:25
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC03:25
neostriderhere I have an old sbox 0.98 + mistral SDK working perfectly03:25
neostridercan I can just apt-get dist-upgrade it03:26
neostrideror I have to erase everything and install gregalle from scratch?03:26
PupnikBoa noite!03:26
* Pupnik dunnos. tar up your scratchbox in case of problems and dist-upgrade03:27
neostriderpupnik , ja fiz isso ;-)03:27
PupnikEu entendo um pouco, mas não falo.03:28
neostriderok...sorry =-D03:28
neostrider(where are you from?)03:29
Pupniki like brasilian women03:30
Pupnikbut this is offtopic03:30
Pupnikneostrider: do you use PalmOS apps?03:31
*** shackan has quit IRC03:31
neostriderpupnik, I never had a PalmOS device03:31
neostrideronly a N-Gage and a Cassiopeia A-1103:32
Pupnikok, i am working on PalmOS emulator03:32
*** s100user has left #maemo03:35
neostriderWould be very cool03:36
neostriderthe older PalmOS images are freely available on the net, right?03:36
Pupnikyes, not easy to find03:37
Pupniklinks there03:37
Pupniki also just compiled Amiga emulator03:38
neostriderbut hey03:39
neostriderthese emulators have a "front-end" like the videogame emulators or are more like WINE ( I Know, I Know, its not a emulator...but got the idea)03:39
*** unique311 has joined #maemo03:39
neostrider(by the way, Im working on a Armagetron clone)03:40
Pupnikhi unique31103:40
Pupnikboth have configuration frontends and the PalmOS emu looks like a palm sitting on screen03:41
neostriderpupnik, why dont you try something like what wine does to windows apps?03:41
neostriderwould blend the apps better with the rest of the system03:42
glassmight not be that easy03:42
unique311hello all..03:42
Pupniki didn't write the emulator, i just cross compiled it03:42
neostrideryeah...but why not to suggest03:42
unique311whats up pupnik03:42
neostriderhey unique03:42
neostriderby the way, hi glass ;-)03:43
unique311whats up neo03:43
unique311tab don't seem to work on osx86 xchat03:43
neostridernothing much...just working on a tron-like game...03:43
glassheys neo03:43
*** chibiAcyd has quit IRC03:43
unique311so neo it is03:43
*** kb7sqi has joined #maemo03:43
unique311thoughtfix wrote an article about that tron game...03:44
unique311he has it on a umpc03:44
neostriderI saw it03:45
unique311Nobody seems to have ported the POSE PalmOS emulator to the N800 yet. That would bring an awful lot of applications to the platform, and would help those moving from PalmOS PDAs to the N800.03:45
neostriderand realized it would be cool03:45
neostriderand not that hard to create it with my WIP game engine03:45
unique311guess you proved that wrong pupnik03:45
neostriderthe results, so far:
unique311I like....03:48
neostrider(like what?)03:49
unique311the wip03:50
neostriderit also plays a lot like armagetron03:51
neostriderbut its very raw03:51
neostriderand the arena is very big03:51
neostriderit will make it very slow on the device03:51
neostriderI have to optimize a lot03:51
neostriderthats exactly what triggered me to make this game03:54
neostriderfirst I calculated what would be needed to port it03:54
neostriderbut I guess it use GL, right?03:54
neostriderso no good03:54
neostriderthen, I had my tech03:55
neostriderand then, happened as I described in the blog03:55
Pupnikhrm gl?03:56
unique311Pupnik got anybody else to try pose on a n800?03:58
*** krau has quit IRC03:58
Pupnikyeah somebody did03:58
unique311issues with the gui missing the bottom half03:58
neostriderit would be boring to port03:58
neostridermaking a new game is alot more exciting!03:58
Pupnikneostrider: what is rendering the 3d03:58
neostriderand as Im creating this game engine for about 2 years, I would be nice to use it03:58
neostriderpupnik, you mean in my WIP? I did the rendering myself03:58
Pupnikunique311: those issues will be looked at only after someone does a build for it2007 (bora or whatever)03:58
Pupniknice neostrider03:58
neostriderfrom scracth03:58
Pupnikyeah that's pretty much the only sensible way03:58
neostriderso it runs a lot better than a generic OpenGL03:58
unique311so the wait begins...03:59
Pupnikunique311: need to package, hildonize, make double-size work, make input from nokia vkeypad work03:59
Pupnikneostrider: did you say 'world generated from voxels'?04:02
*** chenca has quit IRC04:03
neostriderone of the members of the team is a proeminent author from the C&C modding community04:03
Pupnikthat's pretty amazing stuff04:03
neostriderhe created several voxel editing tools04:03
unique311Pupnik you will be doing the steps describe above for 2006 n770...I'll take a shot at trying it out for the 800..don't think i can wait for someone to do the same for the 800..04:03
neostrider(in delphi!!!! arrrgh! I run it with WINE)04:03
unique311seems everyone is developing for the 770 anyways..04:03
neostriderIm targeting both04:04
Pupnikunique311: you could look into making a skin that fits onto screen in double-size mode04:04
*** kkpaul has quit IRC04:04
neostriderpupnik: so, to use whats already available, I did a small conversor from its voxel file to a sector based wold04:04
Pupniki don't think we can get a rotated onscreen keyboard going04:04
neostriderpupnik: rotating the screen? I guess it is possible...but its a huge effort04:05
neostridermaemo is scallable04:05
Pupnikneostrider: to me it seems that voxels are not the best way to edit the world04:05
neostriderpupnik: yeah, but they're very easy04:05
Pupnika friend of mine made one of the first 3d accelerated games for PC.  he's really smart04:06
unique311Pupnik you mean in landscape mode04:06
neostriderand the complexity of a very detailed world is comparable of a very huge (altrough less detailed) world04:06
neostriderwhats the name of the game?04:06
Pupnikunique311: i mean if you're holding the 770 rotated, you still need to input text04:06
PupnikRebel Moon04:06
neostriderI know that game04:07
neostriderI've never play'd it04:07
neostriderbut I know it04:07
Pupnikhah wow04:09
Pupniki did some of the music for it04:09
neostriderspeaking of music04:09
neostriderwhat do you suggest me about music for this game Im working on?04:09
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo04:10
Pupnikwhatever is free to distribute.  mp3 or mods04:10
Pupnik.mods are more oldschool.  mp3s can use the dsp04:10
neostriderbut can SDL use the DSP for mp3?04:10
PupnikSDL doesn't need to be involved i think.04:11
Pupnikrip the dspmp3 code from some other program :)04:11
neostriderwouldn't be very portable04:11
*** spect has quit IRC04:11
neostriderI want it to be multiplataform04:11
Pupnikthen maybe use mikmod in sdl.  makes for smaller package also.04:12
neostrideras much as I envise the 770/n800 as a gaming terminal for a big gaming network , i want it to be interoperable04:12
PupnikUQM source does this04:12
PupnikUr-Quan Masters04:12
neostriderthat game04:12 good on the device?04:12
Pupnikhas an internal .mod player, or you can compile libmikmod deb04:13
Pupnikit works..04:13
Pupnikdon't know how much cpu it takes04:13
neostriderthats the million dollar question ;-)04:13
neostriderbut game engine itself takes 80% of CPU when running on device04:14
neostrider(at least, on a 770)04:14
*** CountDown has quit IRC04:15
Pupnikmaybe you can ignore music for the 770 and just play sound effects04:15
glassif the music is in some form of .mod it shouldn't take that much cpu04:15
neostrideryeah..i guess its better this way04:15
glassat least if you stick to few channels, 4 or 804:15
neostriderbut then comes another issue with .mod: how to create a mod!04:16
glasswith a tracker program04:16
neostriderim not very proficient with thosse04:16
glassget a ex-scener or currently in demoscene involved musician :p04:16
neostrideronly with audacity and hydrogen04:16
neostridernice idea04:16
neostriderdo you know there can I look for this lucky fellow?04:16
Pupnikmany many free mods are around04:17
glassneostrider: well, you could start by forums from places like ojuice.net04:17
neostriderhahahha nectarine demoscene radio!04:19
Pupnikunique311: have you gotten any of the skins for the treo with keyboard to work - crash here04:19
neostriderpupnik, how is the progress on the emulator?04:20
Pupniktesting keyboard input04:20
Pupnikit's also pretty slow on a 770 i'm afraid04:21
neostriderand functionality?04:21
Pupnikboot time is like 30 seconds here04:21
neostrider(slow for newer apps or for everything?)04:22
Pupnikseems to work fine with a real keyboard - everything i tried works04:22
glassat least for ex-palm users04:23
Pupnikyeah well, they're not going to be ecstatic over the speed on the 77004:25
Pupnikbut then again these are in part 33mhz 68000s (Dragonball) and not 8mhz like the Atari ST and Amiga04:25
neostriderhow long the project is running?04:25
Pupniksince yesterday04:25
Pupniki just patched and cross-compiled it04:26
neostriderWIPs running fast this week hehe04:26
Pupniki've got 5 maemo projects now04:26
Pupniki'll probably finish Netrek first04:27
Pupniksince it runs fast and i only need to make a few more UI changes04:27
PupnikTOME will take a lot of work so that's last04:28
neostriderI've got 304:28
Pupnikeasy to start, hard to finish :)04:28
neostriderthis angsTRON...MaemoWizard and a RPG that didnt even started yet04:28
neostriderthey are inter-related hehehhe04:28
neostriderI use the game engine both for the RPG and for angsTRON04:29
neostriderand use MaemoWizard to make the package of the other two for Maemo04:29
neostriderso, Im often stuck04:29
Pupniknice.  are you interested in l-systems for plants?04:29
*** SunWuKung has quit IRC04:31
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo04:34
Pupniklindenmeyer systems.  procedural plants04:35
*** zufoant has joined #maemo04:36
*** zufoant has left #maemo04:36
*** zufoant has joined #maemo04:36
*** zufoant has left #maemo04:37
*** zufoant has joined #maemo04:37
*** zufoant has left #maemo04:37
*** zufoant has joined #maemo04:39
*** booiiing has quit IRC04:42
*** booiiing has joined #maemo04:42
neostriderim leaving, fellows04:44
neostridernice night04:44
*** neostrider has quit IRC04:44
*** SunWuKung has quit IRC04:44
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo04:44
Pupnikfltk is pretty darn cool04:48
*** zufoant has left #maemo04:53
*** behdad has joined #maemo04:57
*** SunWuKung has quit IRC05:00
*** mattsqz has quit IRC05:01
fuelfiveare you guys using debian sarge or ubuntu?05:10
Pupnikdebian sid here05:10 - the lean, mean sidux machine05:11
* fuelfive tried ubuntu, couldn't get it to work05:12
* fuelfive tried debian sarge, also not successful yet05:12
fuelfivetime to try sidux05:12
Pupnikit's my favorite.  #sidux @ oftc for help05:12
Pupnikinstall time 5-8 minutes05:13
fuelfivewhere's the download link?05:13
fuelfivei see lots of german05:13
fuelfivethanks for the help btw :)05:13
RadarI last used linux almost 8 years ago05:16
Pupnikdid you upgrade to bsd or downgrade to windows?05:17
Radarwindows since, then had bsd (osx) for the last two05:18
Radarnow I have an n800!05:18
Radargot it tuesday05:18
Pupnikyou like it?05:18
Radarso far, yeah05:19
Radaronce I increased the fonts, especially in opera05:19
*** Streg has quit IRC05:19
Pupniki'm a fan of the nokias, obviously05:20
Radargood job hiding that in an ini, opera05:20
Pupnikor use the plus key?05:20
Radartoo much trouble to do that every time05:20
Radarset it and forget it!05:21
Radaronly thing I have left to fix is statusbarclock, and wait for skype05:22
Pupnikthere's a statusbarclock applet?05:23
*** __shawn has joined #maemo05:23
Radarguess so, but it's hidden under my theme's status bar05:24
*** s100user has joined #maemo05:27
Pupnikwoot, fixed a bug in pocketSNES05:29
Pupnikthat'd be my emu of choice05:30
fuelfivepocketsnes for N800? hot dog, I didn't realize that was out!05:30
Pupnikall those great rpgs05:30
Pupnikit's not05:30
s100useranyone had any issues while playing divx on a n800? (with mplayer)05:30
fuelfivehmmm.... should be another 7 hours until bt finishes downloading SIDUX05:32
*** behdad has quit IRC05:34
fuelfivehaven't tried s100user05:36
Pupnikheh pocketsnes compiles and runs on n77005:36
Pupnikbut it's trying to write to /dev/fb0 and /dev/fb1 for display05:36
Radarget pocketgenesis running then I'll be inteerested!05:36
Pupnikdgen starts up but crashes after the sega logo05:36
RadarI miss streets of rage05:36
Pupnikthe arm-optimized pocket* versions should be faster than the std linux ones05:36
Pupnikbut they require more rewriting than a straight X11 app05:37
fuelfivePupnik, you would be my hero if you got a genesis or snes emulator working05:38
fuelfive22 minutes until sidux dl finishes, can't wait05:39
Pupnikfuelfive: check the md5sum before burning, and burn in DAO mode, at a slow speed05:39
fuelfiveok, thanks for the tip05:40
Takhmm, is there a way to remove a callback added using g_timeout_add?05:42
*** mattsqz has joined #maemo05:46
mattsqzi got os2007 on my 770 now05:46
Pupnikbtw Tak..  seen this?
Takno, cool05:48
Pupniki needed to copy-in cp ../snes9x-1.5/snes9x-1.5-src/sdd1.h to the dir05:49
Pupnikand rename some of the windows ALL CAPS files to match the includes05:49
Pupnikthen it built and runs on the 77005:50
Pupnikit tries to draw to /dev/fb0 and /dev/fb1 though so it needs SDL-ization05:50
Pupniknot to mention probably file and sound05:51
*** dolske has quit IRC05:51
Pupniki'm not seriously looking at doing this, just a heads up05:51
Pupnikthere's also an even more windows-y version here wget
*** s100user has left #maemo05:56
RadarI like how xmaeme added giant A and B buttons on the right05:58
mattsqzyeah its hard to play games like narc with those buttons though05:58
Taknot many alternatives w/o hw buttons05:59
Radarcan't imagine it's easy to play any games on a touch screen05:59
Radarneed to hack a controller to use bluetooth!05:59
TakI'm about halfway through ninja gaiden05:59
Takbluetooth gamepad would probably work out of the box06:00
Radarif there was one06:00
TakI know people are using them with xmame06:01
Radarit'd be  $149.99 of course06:01
mattsqzwhy not just make a couple of buttons with a short usb cord and velcro them to the unit06:01
TakI'm sure you could use a usb gamepad with the 770's host mode hack06:03
Radarheh, I just did that search06:04
Radarlooks like $8006:04
*** unique311 has quit IRC06:06
Pupnikat that price, just get a thinkoutside stowaway BT keyboard and use that06:11
Radarbest buy should carry that06:11
Radarso I can use these gift cards from xmas06:12
*** SunWuKung has joined #maemo06:12
Pupnikit's a great design.  build quality is kind of 'chinese' though06:12
Radarhell, best buy should carry the n800!06:12
*** flatronf701C has joined #maemo06:17
mattsqzhavent seen em at the one here06:18
Pupnikwe should chip in and buy the pocketsnes author a n80006:19
PupnikScott Ramsby06:23
Pupnikhis latest source (01.16.2003)
Radarisn't the sandbox close enough?06:25
Pupnikwhat do you mean by sandbox?06:25
Pupnikhmm, oh this is bad, he doesn't permit redistribution of modified sources in his license06:26
Radarwhat's he gonna do, sue?06:27
RadarI'd like jvm working06:28
Pupniki see three different modified releases so far from 'darren's' orig pocketsnes source06:30
Pupnikaah Darren Sillett06:30
*** dolske has joined #maemo06:34
*** pdz has joined #maemo06:41
Takmaybe we can get nokia to send him a n90006:42
*** lcandell has joined #maemo06:48
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC06:51
davydwoo, I figured out how to get my VPN routing to execute06:52
davydnow all that remains is to work out DNS06:52
*** soothsay has quit IRC06:53
Pupnikplease, please nokia give the n900 a better dpad and right hand side buttons!06:54
*** pdz- has quit IRC06:54
* Pupnik blinks eyes pleadingly06:54
Pupnikwrote darren email...06:55
*** mattsqz has quit IRC06:58
Takwtf - I have one method that refuses to connect to dbus, but the code is identical to other methods that connect fine07:01
*** unique311 has joined #maemo07:02
davydssh, why is busybox a bunch of cockfosters?07:05
davydthat 'ssh' was meant to be 'arrg'07:05
* Tak adds 'cockfosters' to vocab07:10
*** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC07:10
* davyd replaces ps07:12
davydnow, the last thing to figure out remains the named DNS07:13
davydthe entries are written into /tmp/resolv.conf.ppp007:15
davydjust they don't seem to be noticed07:15
*** Pio has quit IRC07:16
*** rambokid has quit IRC07:17
*** Pio has joined #maemo07:17
*** Pio has quit IRC07:18
*** Pio has joined #maemo07:18
*** bipolar has quit IRC07:21
*** bipolar has joined #maemo07:21
*** SunWuKung has left #maemo07:23
*** rambokid has joined #maemo07:29
*** Pio has quit IRC07:31
*** mattsqz has joined #maemo07:31
*** vidar has quit IRC07:34
*** vidarino has joined #maemo07:35
*** tank17170191 has quit IRC07:37
*** tank17124178213 has quit IRC07:37
*** Pio has joined #maemo07:37
*** tank17170191 has joined #maemo07:38
*** tank17124178213 has joined #maemo07:39
*** fuelfive has quit IRC07:43
*** kb7sqi has joined #maemo07:45
*** soleblaze has quit IRC07:46
*** soleblaze has joined #maemo07:52
*** CountDown has joined #maemo07:56
*** unique311 has quit IRC08:16
*** unique311 has joined #maemo08:16
*** febb has joined #maemo08:38
*** unique311_ has joined #maemo08:57
*** |tbb| has joined #maemo08:58
*** KevinVerma has quit IRC09:03
*** unique311 has quit IRC09:04
*** |tbb|_ has quit IRC09:10
*** jacques has joined #maemo09:29
*** sabotage_afk has quit IRC10:01
*** sabotage_afk has joined #maemo10:01
*** sampeson__ has quit IRC10:07
*** febb has quit IRC10:08
*** fab has quit IRC10:11
*** tnoleto has joined #maemo10:22
*** tnoleto has quit IRC10:23
*** tnoleto has joined #maemo10:26
*** MishaS has joined #maemo10:26
*** MishaS has quit IRC10:27
*** mk8 has joined #maemo10:36
mk8Hi to all ...10:36
*** jku has quit IRC10:39
*** civodul has joined #maemo10:51
*** sKaBoy has joined #maemo10:52
civodulHello folks!10:55
civodulyet another newbie question...10:55
civodul> file /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so10:56
civodul/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/ ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped10:56
civodul> perl10:56
civoduluse Locale::gettext;10:56
civodulCan't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/' for module Locale::gettext: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory at [...]10:56
civodulany idea what's going on?10:56
*** dieguito has quit IRC10:59
*** kulve has quit IRC10:59
keesjperhaps you are missing some other files , did you try to strace it?10:59
*** danillo has joined #maemo11:04
Pupniki've seen that in other contexts11:04
*** danillo has left #maemo11:05
keesjI have solved such issues by runnint strace program so see what really was missing , the error might be misleading11:05
* Pupnik nods11:05
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:21
civodulkeesj: running `strace' seems like a good idea11:34
civodulstat64("/scratchbox/devkits/debian/lib/perl/Carp/Heavy.pmc", 0xbf91c0a0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)11:34
civodullooks like this might be the issue11:35
CountDownAnyone have any luck using VLC on an N800 to stream the web cam to a server (e.g. Apple's Quicktime Broadcaster) for redistribution?11:38
*** civodul has quit IRC11:42
*** kkpaul has joined #maemo11:43
*** civodul has joined #maemo11:43
*** kkpaul has quit IRC11:45
*** bedboi has joined #maemo11:51
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC11:57
*** sbaturzio has joined #maemo12:05
*** jonek has joined #maemo12:07
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo12:11
*** glenux has joined #maemo12:15
*** glenux has left #maemo12:17
*** glenux has joined #maemo12:17
*** glenux has quit IRC12:20
*** glenux has joined #maemo12:20
*** greentux_ has joined #maemo12:20
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo12:26
*** glenux has quit IRC12:27
*** glenux_ has quit IRC12:30
*** bedboi has quit IRC12:31
CountDownhello hello12:31
*** CountDown has quit IRC12:31
*** glenux has joined #maemo12:33
*** kulve has joined #maemo12:33
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC12:35
*** mk8 has quit IRC12:36
*** glenux has quit IRC12:40
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo12:41
*** glenux_ has quit IRC12:45
*** jpetersen has joined #maemo12:46
*** glenux has joined #maemo12:47
*** civodul has quit IRC12:51
*** Mulle has joined #maemo12:52
*** Chelli has joined #maemo12:54
*** glenux has quit IRC12:54
*** glenux has joined #maemo12:54
*** Chelli has quit IRC12:59
*** Chelli has joined #maemo12:59
*** Chelli has quit IRC13:00
*** Chelli has joined #maemo13:00
*** glenux has quit IRC13:01
*** glenux has joined #maemo13:01
*** jpetersen_ has joined #maemo13:03
*** glenux has quit IRC13:03
*** glenux has joined #maemo13:07
*** Olof has quit IRC13:08
*** Olof has joined #maemo13:09
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo13:11
*** glenux has quit IRC13:11
*** slomo has joined #maemo13:12
*** glenux has joined #maemo13:14
*** glenux has quit IRC13:18
*** jpetersen has quit IRC13:19
*** glenux has joined #maemo13:21
*** makuchaku has quit IRC13:23
*** makuchaku has joined #maemo13:26
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo13:31
*** glenux has quit IRC13:31
*** kender has joined #maemo13:31
*** glenux_ has quit IRC13:35
keesjHappy Happy joy joy13:37
*** glenux has joined #maemo13:38
koenkeesj: good morning!13:40
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo13:45
*** glenux has quit IRC13:45
*** glenux has joined #maemo13:52
*** glenux_ has quit IRC13:55
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC14:00
*** glenux has quit IRC14:00
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo14:00
*** glenux_ has quit IRC14:04
*** civodul has joined #maemo14:06
*** glenux has joined #maemo14:07
*** sp3000 has joined #maemo14:09
*** RealNitro has joined #maemo14:11
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo14:13
*** mazzen has joined #maemo14:14
*** svu has quit IRC14:16
*** glenux has quit IRC14:17
*** spect has joined #maemo14:19
*** glenux_ has quit IRC14:19
*** zyxulnag1 has joined #maemo14:20
*** glenux has joined #maemo14:21
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo14:21
AD-N770hello all14:22
b0unc3in a .desktop can I pass a url to the tag Icon= ?14:22
AD-N770in order to use sbrsh on N800, the only way is using devel rootFS or there's a package that I can install in a regularFS ?14:23
*** bergie has joined #maemo14:24
*** zyxulnaga has quit IRC14:24
*** fuelfive has joined #maemo14:28
*** glenux has quit IRC14:28
*** glenux has joined #maemo14:32
kulveAD-N770: sure you can use normal rootfs for sbrshd14:37
*** svu_ has joined #maemo14:37
kulveit needs nfs-modules and mount. Both can be installed with apt-get14:37
AD-N770there's a howto?14:38
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo14:39
*** glenux has quit IRC14:39
*** sbaturzio has quit IRC14:41
*** glenux_ has quit IRC14:41
kulveAD-N770: seems not..14:43
AD-N770I will try later following
AD-N770I've to go now14:45
*** zyxulnaga has joined #maemo14:45
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC14:45
*** glenux has joined #maemo14:46
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC14:46
*** kb7sqi has joined #maemo14:47
*** zyxulnag1 has quit IRC14:47
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo14:53
*** RealNitro has quit IRC14:59
*** Radar has quit IRC15:01
*** Streg has joined #maemo15:01
*** jwb_gone is now known as jwb15:02
*** glenux_ has quit IRC15:03
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo15:03
*** glenux has quit IRC15:05
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC15:07
*** glenux_ has quit IRC15:07
*** fuelfive has quit IRC15:10
*** fab_ has joined #maemo15:10
*** glenux has joined #maemo15:11
*** glenux has quit IRC15:17
*** ajturner has joined #maemo15:17
*** ajturner has joined #maemo15:17
*** ajturner has joined #maemo15:18
*** glenux has joined #maemo15:18
*** __shawn has quit IRC15:18
*** slomo has quit IRC15:18
*** bipolar has quit IRC15:21
*** bipolar has joined #maemo15:21
*** glenux has quit IRC15:24
*** glenux has joined #maemo15:27
*** pleemans has joined #maemo15:28
*** Pupnik_ has joined #maemo15:31
unique311_good morning and aurevroi and
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo15:36
*** glenux has quit IRC15:36
*** zyxulnag1 has joined #maemo15:39
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo15:40
mgedminthis morning my n800 crashed15:41
mgedminI found it showing the blue nokia logo in a white background15:41
mgedminit did not reboot by itself15:41
mgedminit ignored the power button15:41
mgedminI had to pull the battery15:41
danielsis it in r&d mode?15:42
*** ajturner has quit IRC15:43
mgedminI think it crashed at 10 am when it tried to show the alarm dialog15:44
*** jpetersen_ has quit IRC15:44
*** zyxulnaga has quit IRC15:44
*** Pupnik has quit IRC15:45
*** glenux_ has quit IRC15:48
*** glenux has joined #maemo15:51
*** ajturner has joined #maemo15:51
*** unique311_ has quit IRC15:51
*** mat has joined #maemo15:52
sp3000you try to show an alarm dialog at 10 am15:58
* sp3000 would crash, too15:58
*** zyxulnaga has joined #maemo15:59
mgedmintechnically, I requested the alarm at 9 am15:59
osfamerongah, the N800 alarm dialog is completely retarded16:00
mgedminbut the n800 doesn't realise that I want local time, not conversion-to-UTC-before-DST-and-conversion-back-after-DST-takes-effect16:00
mgedmin"completely retarded" about sums it up16:00
osfameronat least, it does't seem to have any way to set it to 24hr clock, which is just stupid16:00
osfameronand various other things, but that's the most annoying one16:01
mgedminI especially like the bit when the alarms do not go off sometimes16:01
* osfameron froths at the mouth a bit about the sad state of the bundled software on N800. (i.e., pretty much all of it except the browser)16:01
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo16:01
osfameronheh, I don't think I've had alarms not go16:01
*** glenux has quit IRC16:01
muzzydk_wouldn't it be fairly simple to rewrite the alarm app?16:02
mgedminosfameron: do you keep your n800 online all the time?16:03
osfameronmgedmin: nah, I told it to stop checking for wireless, because that just chews up the battery life16:03
osfameronalso cos I don't have broadband at work flat16:03
mgedminsometimes my 10 am alarm gets triggered at, say, 3:15 pm, when I first go online16:03
mgedminnot always, though16:04
osfameronso I mainly connect at office or via UMTS from home, briefly16:04
osfameronoh!  it responds to connectivity change?16:04
danielsmgedmin: dst damage> ouch16:06
*** sampeson has joined #maemo16:06
*** glenux has joined #maemo16:10
*** zyxulnag2 has joined #maemo16:13
*** glenux has quit IRC16:13
*** zyxulnag1 has quit IRC16:13
*** glenux_ has quit IRC16:14
*** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo16:15
*** Sulis has joined #maemo16:16
*** glenux has joined #maemo16:17
*** zyxulnaga has quit IRC16:18
*** glenux has quit IRC16:23
*** glenux has joined #maemo16:26
*** zyxulnag2 has quit IRC16:26
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC16:28
*** RpJ has quit IRC16:28
*** |tbb| has quit IRC16:34
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo16:34
*** glenux has quit IRC16:35
*** b0unc3_ is now known as b0unc316:41
*** dunsun has joined #maemo16:41
*** X-Fade_ has joined #maemo16:43
*** glenux_ has quit IRC16:43
*** Mulle has quit IRC16:44
dunsunhmm  just be a little strange that xchat application16:45
*** dunsun has left #maemo16:47
*** glenux has joined #maemo16:48
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo16:55
*** glenux has quit IRC16:55
*** X-Fade has quit IRC16:58
*** glenux has joined #maemo17:03
*** vol has joined #maemo17:04
*** _acyd_ has joined #maemo17:06
*** dwd has quit IRC17:08
*** glass has quit IRC17:08
*** glenux has quit IRC17:08
*** sp3000 has quit IRC17:08
*** keesj has quit IRC17:08
*** vidaroni has quit IRC17:08
*** osfameron has quit IRC17:08
*** NickDe has quit IRC17:08
*** acydlord has quit IRC17:08
*** kerwood|afk has quit IRC17:08
*** wazquis has quit IRC17:08
*** jka has quit IRC17:08
*** cambba has quit IRC17:08
*** `0660 has quit IRC17:08
*** jhe has quit IRC17:08
*** bmidgley has quit IRC17:08
*** juho has quit IRC17:08
*** wiljo has quit IRC17:08
*** Knirch has quit IRC17:08
*** alp has quit IRC17:08
*** stanlly has quit IRC17:08
*** rvalles has quit IRC17:08
*** Paavo has quit IRC17:08
*** pigeon has quit IRC17:08
*** glenux has joined #maemo17:08
*** sp3000 has joined #maemo17:08
*** keesj has joined #maemo17:08
*** dwd has joined #maemo17:08
*** wazquis has joined #maemo17:08
*** vidaroni has joined #maemo17:08
*** osfameron has joined #maemo17:08
*** NickDe has joined #maemo17:08
*** acydlord has joined #maemo17:08
*** kerwood|afk has joined #maemo17:08
*** `0660 has joined #maemo17:08
*** rvalles has joined #maemo17:08
*** pigeon has joined #maemo17:08
*** stanlly has joined #maemo17:08
*** Paavo has joined #maemo17:08
*** glass has joined #maemo17:08
*** bmidgley has joined #maemo17:08
*** juho has joined #maemo17:08
*** jhe has joined #maemo17:08
*** wiljo has joined #maemo17:08
*** cambba has joined #maemo17:08
*** jka has joined #maemo17:08
*** alp has joined #maemo17:08
*** Knirch has joined #maemo17:08
*** acydlord has quit IRC17:15
*** glenux_ has quit IRC17:16
*** Tak|work has joined #maemo17:17
*** dieguito has joined #maemo17:17
*** net0 has joined #maemo17:32
*** glenux_ has joined #maemo17:47
*** glenux has quit IRC17:47
*** dunsun has joined #maemo17:49
*** sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage17:50
*** neostrider has joined #maemo17:50
neostriderhello folks17:51
dunsunhi there17:51
neostriderso dunsun. developer? user?17:54
*** glenux_ has quit IRC17:54
*** glenux has joined #maemo17:54
dunsunonly a very new user17:54
dunsunjust trying xchat app17:55
*** sampeson has quit IRC17:55
neostriderso...are you on the device?17:55
dunsuni have to say that touch screen is not the best thing of that nokia17:57
neostrider770 or N800?17:57
mgedminit's more a push screen than a touch screen17:58
mgedminbecoming a stab screen on the bottom right corner17:58
dragornI think I have to agree, the 770 touchscreen seems much more accurate to me, and (amusingly) the DS touch screen is even better.  Still, it's not bad.  Not unusably, maybe mildly annoying sometimes.17:58 not a regular user, but I think it works nicely for me17:59
mgedminno problems with accuracy (have you tried calibrating)?17:59
mgedminbut it is less sensitive than I'd like17:59
dunsunafter 1 week of using preasure needed for pushing backspace is much biger17:59
neostrideryou unit may be malfunctioning?18:00
dunsunit's jusr another turn ... calibrating18:01
mgedminbtw I got the impression that the touchscreen on my 770 became less sensitive after I flashed a new os image to it (2006.2, I think)18:02
mgedminmaybe it was just age18:02
dunsunbut all other things are a pleasure18:02
*** soleblaze has quit IRC18:02
dunsunssh, socat, mplayer18:02
*** bansteen has joined #maemo18:02
*** soleblaze has joined #maemo18:03
dunsunanother 1 thing i don't like - sound qallity is terrible18:04
bansteenhi there18:05
bansteeni just learned about Maemo today(Just  niow)18:05
dunsunis it possible to use sshs,samba or nfs with a stock kernel?18:05
*** glenux has quit IRC18:06
bill20r3ssh, yes.18:06
bill20r3samba & nfs, I dont know.18:06
dunsunsshfs i meant18:06
bill20r3ah, I haven't seen a package for it.18:06
bansteenwhere can I find rpm and other dependencies of maemo for fedora 618:06
bansteenwhere can I find rpm and other dependencies of maemo for fedora 618:07
mgedminis there an echo in here?18:08
*** fab_ has quit IRC18:08
bansteenHi there18:09
*** Oliv has joined #maemo18:09
bansteenAnybody knows how to install maemo on fedora 618:09
*** lexiyntax has joined #maemo18:11
*** Daelus has quit IRC18:11
*** koos has quit IRC18:12
*** slomo has joined #maemo18:14
*** Ahpuc has joined #maemo18:14
bansteenhi all18:14
bansteenanybody know any rpm for maemo18:15
net0there is a lot of people, but we are of the same color as the ground18:15
*** ajturner has quit IRC18:16
* mgedmin thinks there are no RPMs of maemo18:16
bansteenthen how to install it in fedora 618:17
bansteeni'd really appreciate the help18:18
neostriderI guess you will have to go .tgz18:18
bansteenthen i need maemo 318:18
neostridereven on debian it is somewhat strange...18:18
bansteenand scratch box18:18
neostriderscratchbox is easy to install18:18
neostriderjust unpack everything18:19
bansteenconfigure,make,make install18:19
*** korpios has joined #maemo18:19
neostriderno no...just extract the tgz18:19
neostridertrust me18:19
bansteenwill it run fedora 618:19
neostriderwill save a lot of headache18:19
neostrideri dunno18:19
neostrideri just use ubuntu18:19
bansteenubuntu has debian kernel18:19
bansteencan u pls give me the download links of maemo and other dependencies18:20
*** Ahpuc has quit IRC18:20
mgedminthey're somewhere at www.maemo.org18:21
bansteenlet me see then18:21
bansteenthanks for ur help18:21
*** dunsun has quit IRC18:21
*** dunsun has joined #maemo18:22
net0bansteen, I see links in wiki how-to18:22
*** dunsun has quit IRC18:27
*** dunsun has joined #maemo18:27
civodulI'm confused18:27
civodulI created an ARM target in SB, with the appropriate cross-compiler18:28
civodulnow, I notice that `which perl` is an i386 executable18:28
*** eeejay has joined #maemo18:28
civodulhow's that supposed to work?18:28
civodulI though I was supposed to see ARM binaries when an ARM target is selected18:29
*** kb7sqi has joined #maemo18:29
neostridercivodul, SB is not a emulator18:29
neostriderso not everything there is arm binary...I guess so ;-)18:30
civodulneostrider: I know, but it uses Qemu18:30
neostriderare you sure?18:30
civodulneostrider: right, but for instance /lib/ is an ARM binary18:30
civodulthe `cputrans' devkit18:30
neostriderI dont have this devkit...18:30
*** bilboed has joined #maemo18:30
*** dunsun has quit IRC18:31
*** dunsun has joined #maemo18:31
*** Disconnect has joined #maemo18:32
civodulor maybe build-dependencies should be installed for the host arch (i386)18:32
civodulwhen one's willing to cross-compile an ARM package?18:32
civodul(guess so)18:32
*** bansteen has quit IRC18:32
net0slashdot has a story on arm attack; I don't see details now18:33
*** korpios has quit IRC18:33
kulvesbox uses host tools to speed up things. E.g. perl is i386, because there's usually no need to run it as arm..18:33
*** korpios has joined #maemo18:33
civodulkulve: ok18:34
glassnet0: reading the article now18:34
civodulmy issue is: I want to build `comerr-dev' (for the ARM)18:34
neostridernet0 ... seems like vapor to me18:35
civodul`e2fsprogs' (the source package) build-depends on `help2man'18:35
glassyeah the blurb on /. is definetely off the wall at least18:35
civodulwhich in turn depends on `libperl-locale-gettext'18:35
civodulso I should get myself a native (i386) `libperl-locale-gettext'18:35
*** daf` has joined #maemo18:35
civodulbut then, how?18:35
civodulI mean: `sources.list' contains ARM repositories, not i38618:36
kulvecivodul: I think you should build e2fsprogs without help2man. I guess that's needed only for docs18:36
net0neostrider, you are probbly right18:36
net0no data, as I see with just two eyes18:36
danielscivodul: scratchbox has some stuff (perl, python, toolchain, etc) as native in order to speed the process18:36
civodulkulve: can I tell `dpkb-buildpackage' to not build the docs?18:36
danielssince running _everything_ through qemu is slow18:36
neostriderlots of stuff on /. seems like vapor these days...18:37
civoduldaniels: agreed, but then it also complicates the process since build-deps should be native...18:37
kulvecivodul: nope. You need to modify it18:37
glass"Jack plans to disclose details on this attack -- and the things that device makers can do to avoid it -- at the CanSecWest security conference being held later this month in Vancouver."18:37
glassseems like crap18:37
glasshows the code supposed to get to anywhere it could execute..18:37
civodulkulve: how convenient!  ;-)18:37
kulvecivodul: yep18:37
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC18:38
net0glass, they ask to come and see18:38
net0for a fee18:38
neostridernet0, I must confess that the first thing that crossed my mind was the 77018:38
danielsnet0: that article is, for wont of a better phrase, fucking stupid.18:38
glassnet0: i'll bet you 20 bucks it needs physical access to jtag or some shit like that18:38
net0neostrider, my firts thinking was milk ;-)18:39
neostriderwhat is jtag?18:39
net0the group, I think18:39
danielsnet0: jtag is a debug interface that lets you do anything with any chip.  no-one in their right mind (this includes nokia) puts jtag interfaces on release boards.18:39
neostrideri see18:39
neostridergoing to cook my lunch18:39
glassand what attack is it if you got physical access to replace the device or do whatever you want anyhow18:39
net0if they give tickets to vancouver, I'll go18:40
*** neostrider has quit IRC18:40
danielsright.  it's like saying being able to smash your device with a sledgehammer is a security vulnerability because it's a DoS.18:41
*** Juhaz has quit IRC18:43
*** jaebird has quit IRC18:47
*** jaebird has joined #maemo18:51
*** jpetersen has joined #maemo18:52
*** tnoleto has quit IRC18:52
*** garrett has joined #maemo18:53
*** daf` has quit IRC18:56
*** civodul has left #maemo19:02
*** sbaturzio has joined #maemo19:02
*** net0 has left #maemo19:04
plr_hello, I'm new to the maemo development. I found traces of an application called bloglines 770, but the development seems to be abandoned. I emailed the author, but he hasn't emailed me back. Does someone have the application or better enough, the source code? I would like to take a look of it and most likely continue to develop it19:10
*** sKaBoy has quit IRC19:11
*** RpJ has joined #maemo19:14
*** mattsqz has quit IRC19:20
*** rambokid is now known as rkaway19:24
*** svu800 has joined #maemo19:39
*** Chelli has quit IRC19:51
*** neostrider has joined #maemo19:53
neostriderhello folks19:54
*** vivijim has quit IRC19:55
b0unc3someone know how to set a non-standard icon for a control panel entry (in the .desktop)?19:56
*** Chelli has joined #maemo19:59
*** net0 has joined #maemo20:00
mgedmindon't the docs say?20:04
*** Chelli has quit IRC20:05
*** bergie has quit IRC20:06
*** net0 has left #maemo20:06
b0unc3mgedmin: yes, but seem not to work...20:09
neostridercheck the permissions20:23
*** behdad has joined #maemo20:29
*** fab_ has joined #maemo20:35
neostriderafternoon ;-)20:35
*** ajturner has joined #maemo20:35
*** ajturner has quit IRC20:35
*** ajturner has joined #maemo20:35
Pupnik_i think debian sarge might be a better host system for scratchbox20:36
Pupnik_when i grab packages with debian sid, apt-get source, they frequently require newer dependencies than i find in IT200620:36
neostriderall my good memories of development with maemo were either on sarge or ubuntu dapper20:38
Pupnik_btw Tak|work i think that Aligned memory access may be an issue with dgen / snes20:38
Pupnik_from the Dosbox 0.65 changelog: "Check for unaligned memory acces fixes hangups on ARM processors."20:39
mgedminoh yes, memory alignment issues are very fun20:39
mgedminon the 770 there was a file in /proc that could detect and/or automatically fix unaligned memory access problems20:39
Pupnik_very nice, thank you20:40
*** ccjoe has quit IRC20:41
neostriderare you telling me we have DosBOX for Maemo?!??!?!?!20:43
Pupnik_30 seconds...20:44
Piodamn, that'd rock20:44
*** ccjoe has joined #maemo20:45
Pupnik_oop couple minutes20:45
b0unc3neostrider: checked, but still doesn't work20:47
neostridertry prince of persia20:47
neostriderits the most vanilly thing you can get20:47
Pupnik_well dosbox 0.65 runs fine on scratchbox armel target - crashes on nokia 77020:48
Pupnik_breakfast - brb20:49
*** |tbb| has joined #maemo20:50
*** s100user has joined #maemo21:00
Tak|workhmm - the emus all crash with qemu too, though21:00
b0unc3can I use a url in the Icon tag of the .desktop?21:02
*** mgedmin has quit IRC21:02
derfWhy would you want to?21:03
`0660sounds inefficient21:03
*** bergie has joined #maemo21:04
b0unc3dunno.. I have no more ideas :(21:04
neostriderhey...using a url...that may be cool hehhehe21:07
b0unc3I copy my icon under /usr/share/icons.. with the 'logical' name qgn_bla_bla...21:11
b0unc3but when I use this 'logical' name in a .desktop, it's dosen't load my icon ;(21:11
*** |tbb| has quit IRC21:11
derfDoes it launch your program?21:12
*** s100user has left #maemo21:13
b0unc3derf: the problem is that in control panel I have the new entry ... but with a 'withe page icon'... not with my icon21:14
b0unc3it's very strange, in the n800 it work fine...21:16
*** neostrider has quit IRC21:16
derfOh, well I don't know, then.21:21
derfAll I have is an N800.21:21
b0unc3derf: ok21:23
*** eeejay has quit IRC21:25
*** ssvb has joined #maemo21:27
*** Oliv has left #maemo21:35
Pupnik_i've got a hard-to-read courier font in xterm, is that normal?21:36
bill20r3zoom out..21:37
Pupnik_it could really use something more readable21:37
*** koen has quit IRC21:37
Pupnik_i know how to zoom.  i just think the font stinks at any particular size21:37
bill20r3are you talking about the default font that osso-xterm uses?21:39
*** sbaturzio has quit IRC21:40
*** Smilez has joined #maemo21:41
SmilezHowdy everyone. First off. I love my new N800! But how the heck do I get plugins into this thing for opera?21:41
bill20r3good question, I've never even seen any released.21:42
SmilezThe opera website says you just download the software (ie: Mplayer, Flash, Adobe, etc) and then copy or symlink the file into the opera plugins directory21:43
Pupnik_when i run dosbox on sbox-ARMEL i see old_mmap(), on nokia 770 i see mmap2()21:43
Smilezbut I installed MPlayer on here, but it wont stream any media embedded on pages21:43
Pupnik_bill20r3: yeah - here it's a thin courier21:44
SmilezAlso, I tried installing the "Dates" package from: but the package repositories for bora don't have naything in them21:44
*** bergie has quit IRC21:57
Pupnik_what's a page with a sample22:01
Pupnik_that you want to stream22:02
Pupnik_i can try it here22:02 or chooseandwatch.com22:02
Smilezsome of those free television sites22:02
Pupnik_you invoke that with mplayer
Smilezi open the page in opera22:02
Smilezbut where the video is i just see a box with an icon for media22:02
Smilezwhen i click on it, it tries going to a non existent url22:03
Pupnik_oh i get it22:03
Pupnik_those sites suck :)22:03
Smilezyeah... opera says i download mplayer, then symlink or copy the plugin into the opera plugins dir22:03
Smilezdo you have a better alternative?22:03
SmilezI agree, i dont like the tons of ads they have on there22:04
Pupnik_for youtube or google video i use the python youtube-dl script22:04
Smilezbut then you gotta download it all right?22:04
Pupnik_youtube-dl -o filename.flv http:whatever22:04
SmilezI just wanna be able to play them embedded22:04
SmilezI think thats a huge feature22:04
Pupnik_those sites generally try to force you to use some evil format and plugin22:05
Smilezyeah.... i think they use windows media but MPlayer handles those...22:05
Smilezso i thought I could do it22:05
Smilezim going to install the SSH server on the n800 and ssh into it, to try and find the plugins22:05
Smilezi love this thing though... it really amazingly powerful22:06
Smilezplus 45% off due to compusa going out of business here... priceless22:06
Pupnik_that's a great deal22:07
Tak|workhah - now I wish my compusa were going out of business22:07
danielsmplayer only handles windows media on i386/amd64 because it's possibly to illegally download the windows codecs.  it doesn't work on arm.22:07
Smilezso I can't watch any windows media or nothin?22:08
Smilezany opera friendly Internet TV sites? :D22:09
Smilezyeah i went in there to buy some blank dvd's and I said... hmm... how much do i get off this n800?22:09
Smilezwhen they said $170+ discount, I said, ring that sucker up!22:09
danielsi think the media player handles real and wmv streams, but not mplayer22:10
Smilezbut how could I get the stream URL out of the website itself?22:11
Pupnik_websites like to hide that22:11
Smilezhmm.... i wonder if i could get it from this PC im on, then copy it over22:11
Smilezyeah I figured22:11
Tak|workI thought mplayer had limited ability to play wmv and the like using native codecs22:11
Pupnik_evil crappy websites serving evil closed 'format' streams22:11
danielsTak|work: it can play wmv because you can get the dlls from windows.  given windows doesn't run on arm, there are no arm dlls to download.22:12
SmilezPupnik_, I have yet to find any that dont :D22:12
Pupnik_Smilez: which is why i don't use them22:12
Tak|workyes, what I meant was that I had the impression that there were a few wmv codecs that were natively implemented22:12
Tak|workaka, didn't use the windlls22:12
Pupnik_Tak|work: i think wmv9 or something22:13
SmilezPupnik_, are there any plugins I could isntall?22:14
Smilezlike flash player?22:14
Pupnik_i know others use flash and i've seen flash sites22:15
Pupnik_duno how to install player22:15
*** kylem has joined #maemo22:15
Smilezim installing the SSH daemon onto it22:15
Pupnik_better off without it.  flash sucks too.22:15
Smilezso i can connect to it from my pc, then I can try and jump in there22:16
Pupnik_yeah ssh is useful22:16
SmilezPupnik_, most websites either use flash, embedded media, or javascript22:16
Smilezso you can't just call everything Evil :D22:16
Pupnik_no, not everything.  everything that sucks22:16
Pupnik_everything good doesn't22:16
SmilezWhat are some good package repositories I can add. The SSH server failed to install using the .install file22:17
Tak|workit should show up in red pill mode now, though22:17
Smilezthose are all theo nes that are already in there i think22:18
SmilezPupnik_, so what do you use your tablet for?22:18
* Pupnik_ has dropbear ssh but there's also another one22:18
Pupnik_mplayer, opera, irc (irssi)22:18
Smilezdo you stream media from your pc on LAN?22:19
Pupnik_going to do that soon via gmyth22:19
SmilezI got Canola on here, and thats a beautiful app22:19
*** eeejay has joined #maemo22:19
Smileznice. Yeah I bought this because I eventually want to use it as my mythtv remote22:19
Smilez <-- can anyone click on any of those projects?22:20
Pupnik_right now i transcode vid using the script22:20
Pupnik_when i want to take some movies/tv shows on the road22:20
Smilezinteresting... wouldn't it be easier to convert it on the PC then xfer the finished product?22:20
Pupnik_yeah i convert on the pc with 770-encode.pl22:21
Smilezohhh... my apologies... thought it was a script for the tablet itself22:21
Pupnik_no prob22:21
Pupnik_well dosbox 0.65 builds and runs but crashes here22:21
Smilezhow the heck does this "CarMan" application work? More hardware?22:22
SmilezI wouldn't ever slap my linux in the face by trying to run dos on it :D22:22
Pupnik_yeah you buy this device that plugs into your car computer22:22
Smilezthats awesome22:22
Smilezdo you have the GPS module?22:22
Smilezthats my next purchase22:22
SmilezI got Maemo mapper on here... and thats just awesome22:22
Smilezhmm.. I think the openssh installer froze up22:23
*** krau has joined #maemo22:23
Smileznm there it went22:23
Pupnik_just a tip, to keep the connection alive when i ssh into the nokia, i keep a ping running from the pc side22:24
Pupnik_dunno if that's needed on the n80022:24
Smilezill try it out22:25
Smilezhow do i configure the ssh server/start it?22:25
Tak|workthere should be a way to enable keepalive from in ssh_config22:25
Tak|work(or maybe sshd_config)22:25
Smilezwheres dropbear install to?22:26
danielsthere's not, because it's a maemo connectivity thing.  they need dbus hooks to kick icd.22:27
Smilezand whats the root password on this sucker?22:27
Smilezi typed "su" it says "this applet requires root priv's"22:28
derfPupnik_: It is needed on the N800.22:28
derfEnabling keep-alives (from the client side) did not seem to actually help.22:28
Pupnik_^^ Smilez22:29
*** Pupnik_ is now known as Pupnik22:29
derfSorry, that was from the server side.22:29
derfGenerally, the default TCP keep alive timeout interval is on the order of 3 hours.22:30
Smilezwow that looks complicated Pupnik22:30
derfWhich makes it almost completely useless in... any practical scenario.22:30
Pupnikderf ah for wlan / battery saving?22:30
derfWell, the 3 hour timeout is from the TCP standard.22:31
derfThe device shutting the wireless interface off after ~5 minutes without outgoing traffic is for battery saving.22:31
*** ajax has joined #maemo22:32
derfI just wrote a program to ping Google periodically while the AC adapter is plugged in.22:32
derf(it also lets you have separate screen brightness levels and blank timeouts for AC/battery)22:33
*** kender has quit IRC22:34
*** koen has joined #maemo22:34
danielsderf: sounds like dsme, except not useless.22:34
Smilezwhat about installing mame roms?? I installed xmaeme22:35
Smilezbut what about the roms?22:35
Tak|workwhat about the roms?22:35
Smilezwhere do they go?22:35
Tak|workyou'll want xmame as well, btw22:35
Smilezyeah sorry, got both of those on there22:36
Smilezthe front/back-ends22:36
Tak|workiirc it looks by default in /media/mmc[12]/roms22:36
Tak|worknext version looks in about 80 places22:36
Smilezdo we know what format they have to be in?22:36
Tak|workfolder or zip22:36
*** bergie has joined #maemo22:36
Tak|worksame as xmame on the pc22:37
Smilezill leave them zipped up then22:37
Pupnikdosbox configure sets #define C_FPU 1, which is odd22:39
danielshow so?22:39
Pupnikok i'm lame.  770 has fpu?22:39
danielsah.  770, no, but n800, yes.22:39
Smilezdo i need unzip on here to play the zipped rom?22:40
*** Feral_Kid has quit IRC22:40
Smilezdang, "unable to load rom" when i clicked the zip22:41
Tak|workhave you verified that that rom actually works with xmame? (e.g. on a pc)22:41
Tak|workxmame is picky22:42
SmilezI think i might be trying to do too much at once... I won't leave any suprises for later on :D22:42
PupnikNote that QEMU does not handle unaligned memory access in the same way as the real device, so these errors will not be apparent if you test the application in Scratchbox."22:44
*** bergie has quit IRC22:45
*** koen has quit IRC22:45
Smilezoh yeah. how can I install dates/contacts?22:45
Pupnika program?22:46
Pupnikwhat program?22:46
Smilez <-- 2 & 3 down (Dates / Contacts)22:46
SmilezI added the repository, but the Bora directories are empty22:47
*** vivijim has joined #maemo22:48
Pupnikdid you click 'check for updates'?22:48
Smilezi manually browsed the repository22:48
Smilezand the sources file is empty as is the packages22:48
Smilezin the bora directory22:48
Pupniki don't have bora, don't know what that could be22:49
Pupniksee if running apt-get update from xterm/ssh as root gives errors?22:49
Smilezoh, i couldn't get root access22:49
Pupnikwell it obviously should work from the application manager22:50
Tak|workyou can view the log from the app manager22:51
Smilezi can run items from application manager?22:52
Tak|workrun items?22:53
Smilezi can execute the files in application manager?22:53
*** Juhaz has joined #maemo22:53
Smilezhow can I reorganize my program listing? like where my favorites/games/web/etc is22:56
* Pupnik ponders22:59
Pupniktask navigator23:00
Pupnikapplications - organize23:00
Pupniktask navigator is under 'control panel'23:00
Smilezi knew i had seen it before23:01
Smilezmuch better23:02
Smilezyou got gstreamer?23:02
Pupnikno.. don't remember what it's for23:02
Smilezit finds music/video streams for you23:03
Smilezoh is there an image application that will let me turn the images horizontal23:04
Smilezso that I can turn the tablet vertical and see it full size?23:04
Pupnikthat'd be a nice feature for the image viewer23:04
Smilezi thought so too23:04
Pupnikwhat's your favorite linux image viewer?  mine's gqview23:05
Tak|workduh, pornview23:05
Smileztheres really an app called pornview?23:06
Piogoes good with porn-get23:08
Pupnikported and packaged gqview in and installed to nokia in 5 minutes23:08
Pupnikgqview can rotate images with [ and ] keys23:09
Pupnikmaemo is so awesome.  5 minutes to port an app23:09
SmilezPupnik, you have the .deb file?23:09
Pupnikyeah just uploading it now23:10
Pupnikit's not a proper port though23:10
Smilezhow can i do the same?23:10
Pupnikdoesn't show up in app manager, or task switcher23:10
Pupnikbut you can run it from xterm and it works just like on pc23:10
Smilezhave you used media streamer?23:12
Pupnikgqview .deb here
Smilezwhen i install it where will it install to?23:12
Juhazanother 5 minutes to write a desktop file and it will23:14
Smilezjuhaz care to do that for us?23:14
derfAnd add the osso_initialize() call. And adapt the menubar. And...23:15
Pupniki'll learn how to do that tonight23:15
danielsthat would at least be a port, yes23:15
Smilezalright, ima get out of here23:16
Smilezthis thing needs to charge23:16
Smilezand i need to get off this PC :D23:16
derfYou're just lucky it didn't actually use Gnome.23:16
Pupnikyeah you're right, that's not a port, just a build23:16
derfWhich, if you can get away with it, is much better in my book.23:17
Smilezalright peace out everyone23:17
Smilezthanks a bunch for all the help23:17
SmilezI'll be back in here on the regular now23:18
*** Smilez has quit IRC23:18
*** jwb is now known as jwb_gone23:18
*** bipolar has quit IRC23:20
*** bipolar has joined #maemo23:21
*** vivijim has quit IRC23:22
PupnikAny n800 user want to test the dosbox binary - on the off chance that it runs on the n800 but not n770?23:30
*** zwnj has joined #maemo23:32
bill20r3is it just a single-file binary, not a .deb?23:34
Pupnikexiting here23:34
Pupnikmmap2(NULL, 16781312, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4055500023:34
Pupnik+++ killed by SIGKILL +++23:34
bill20r3put it where I can grab it and I'll give it a try23:35
Pupnik:) ok23:35
bill20r3just run it from an xterm as User, right?23:35
Pupnikjust a minute23:36
danielswhat is dosbox trying to mmap?23:37
Pupnikdunno, i'd need to build with debugging flags on23:37
Pupnikor learn debugging with gdb or soemthing23:38
danielsor grep the source for mmap ...23:38
derfdaniels: Apparently it's trying to map -1.23:38
derfPresumably it tried to open a file that was not found.23:38
derfAnd didn't, you know, bother to check the error code.23:38
Pupnikhmm the preceeding call was gettimeofday({1175895054, 914276}, NULL) = 023:39
*** koen has joined #maemo23:39
*** soothsay has joined #maemo23:40
soothsayAnyone know how to bridge a wireless connection to a wired one in Linux?23:40
derfPresumably you're looking for a preceding open().23:40
*** soothsay has quit IRC23:41
*** soothsay has joined #maemo23:41
*** bergie has joined #maemo23:41
*** ssvb has quit IRC23:41
Pupnikdosbox bin  and stripped-down config file
Pupnikthanks daniels, derf...23:42
Pupnikderf, the same version running in sbox also has similar mmap calls but doesn't crash23:43
Pupnikold_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4000200023:43
danielsright, but note the slightly different size23:43
daniels4096 vs. 1678131223:43
Pupnikhmm, the dosbox conf is set to emulate a 16MB machine23:44
derfOh, wait, MAP_ANONYMOUS is in there. So it's not using the fd.23:46
*** NickDe has quit IRC23:46
Pupnikhah dosbox running :D23:47
Pupnikdisabled ems, xms, umb, set mem size to 1MB23:47
bill20r3give it here, mister.23:47
* Pupnik takes a picture23:48
*** NickDe has joined #maemo23:51
bill20r3says it cant find
Pupnikoh that's an older build23:51
Pupnikbill20r3: what kind of nokia are you running?23:52
bill20r3I dont have the very latest update, but one prior.23:52
Pupniki started pulling out the networking requirements23:53
Pupnikbut that broke the build23:53
Pupnikwill fix that soon - trying to find what's causing the crashes now23:54
bill20r3maybe I can symlink to whatever libsdl version I *do* have.23:55
Pupnikyou going to be around for a while?23:56
*** KermitTheFragger has joined #maemo23:56
bill20r3an hour or two23:56
Pupnikok i'll see what i can do23:57
*** jpetersen has quit IRC23:58
bill20r3looks like I dont have any version of libSDL_net at all.23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!