| jkyro | sbaturzio: use python :) | 00:00 |
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| sbaturzio | for just to write "File updated" message box? | 00:00 |
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| jkyro | well that's not many lines I think | 00:01 |
| jkyro | if you want to use the small info box | 00:01 |
| sbaturzio | but from a "bash/busybox" script does it really worth to load python for opening just a small info box? | 00:03 |
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| bill20r3 | are there modules to do gtk gui in perl, or only in python? | 00:04 |
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| sbaturzio | maybe using dbus? | 00:05 |
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| jkyro | could be | 00:05 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: are you using 770 or 800? | 00:05 |
| sbaturzio | n800 | 00:05 |
| jkyro | although the python is not that big and the widgets are native anyway | 00:05 |
| jkyro | 'import gtk' does take a while though | 00:06 |
| bill20r3 | but I know perl, and not python. :-/ | 00:07 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: hm. overwriting the ics I have some things on the wrong day | 00:07 |
| bill20r3 | I suppose I could learn. | 00:07 |
| jkyro | bill20r3: is there a perl interpreter for the device? | 00:07 |
| bill20r3 | yeah. | 00:08 |
| bill20r3 | I dont know/when I installed it, but it's on my N800. | 00:08 |
| jkyro | ok, good | 00:08 |
| bill20r3 | it was probablly a dependancy for something else. | 00:08 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: which is your timezone? | 00:09 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: interestingly, the one that's wrong is a reoccuring. the rest are right | 00:09 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: central US | 00:09 |
| ||cw | but that hsouldn't matter now, we;re back on "normal" time | 00:09 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: keep an eye because seems importing from google it load the calendar with a wrong timezone | 00:10 |
| sbaturzio | my calendar seem 2 hours behind | 00:10 |
| sbaturzio | but maybe I have misconfigured my gcalendar | 00:10 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: the reoccuring shows as mightnight the next day, where as everything is right. and the reoccuring ones I also cannot open to get details | 00:11 |
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| sbaturzio | ||cw: try to redefine that entry, maybe there is something wrong inside | 00:12 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: the ical is right. Dtes is doing something odd with the gcal reoccuring events though | 00:12 |
| sbaturzio | I see | 00:12 |
| ||cw | well, reoccuring is what I have issues with gpe too, but at least it loads here | 00:12 |
| sbaturzio | is there a dbus guide for n800, somewhere? Is there a way to open the info box from command line? | 00:13 |
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| derf | The info box? | 00:14 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: there is dbus-send, looks like it takes an object path and such | 00:14 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: thank you. I'll give it a try | 00:14 |
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| * Pupnik just wrote the 2nd 770 review for Amazon.de | 00:15 | |
| derf | I never found a dbus guide, but dbus-monitor --system was most helpful. | 00:15 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: this is cool though, thanks for the tip about Dates and gcal | 00:15 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: np | 00:16 |
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| jkyro | haven't seen dbus interface documentation anywhere, would like to know if there is some | 00:16 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: I've sent my script to maddler, I hope he will publish it on his blog soon | 00:17 |
| derf | jkyro: I'm pretty sure the answer is "no". | 00:17 |
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| jkyro | well, I suppose dbus is introspectable somehow | 00:18 |
| jkyro | and there's always the trial and error method :) | 00:18 |
| ||cw | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/DBusGuide | 00:20 |
| ||cw | kind of thin though | 00:20 |
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| soothsay | I was trying to Flash my N800, holding home and powered it on. Now it is stuck at Nokia screen with USB icon at top right. | 00:28 |
| soothsay | I can't seem to turn it off. | 00:28 |
| soothsay | What should I do? | 00:29 |
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| soothsay | Never mind, I got it going | 00:31 |
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| gpd | hmm.. just flashed and now I have none of my custom installed apps :( | 00:40 |
| gpd | should hae realized this - but haven't flashed since day 4 | 00:40 |
| bill20r3 | d'oh | 00:40 |
| * gpd stabs self in face | 00:40 | |
| bill20r3 | that blows. | 00:40 |
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| rambokid | daniels? | 01:01 |
| daniels | ... ? | 01:01 |
| sbaturzio | wow...just made # /etc/init.d/dbus restart and the whole n800 rebooted ;-) | 01:03 |
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| rambokid | daniels: can you please take a look at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 ? | 01:05 |
| daniels | sbaturzio: yeah, that'll happen as all the apps using dbus will just die instantly | 01:05 |
| daniels | sbaturzio: this is libdbus's awesome API | 01:05 |
| sbaturzio | daniels: I see | 01:06 |
| daniels | rambokid: it's on my todo list. need to sleep now though. | 01:06 |
| sbaturzio | but I still wonder if I can send small messages from bash script... :-) | 01:06 |
| rambokid | daniels: thanks, good night ;) | 01:06 |
| daniels | enjoy | 01:06 |
| daniels | sbaturzio: dbus-send | 01:06 |
| sbaturzio | daniels: yes...was looking at it...but don't donf enough documentation...or I'm not enough developer to understand what I've found ;-) | 01:07 |
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| Pupnik | just takes focused study | 01:30 |
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| Pupnik | i don't understand how my last two binaries for N770 and IT2006 work on N800 IT2007 | 01:46 |
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| fuelfive | hmmm... following the 3.1 SDK install instructions, and I've hit this: | 02:02 |
| fuelfive | Couldn't find package xserver-xephyr | 02:02 |
| fuelfive | when I enter apt-get install xserver-xephyr | 02:02 |
| fuelfive | oh, maybe I need the unstabled flag | 02:03 |
| fuelfive | checking | 02:03 |
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| sbaturzio | uhm.....seems if-up.d scripts are not executed | 02:09 |
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| b0unc3 | is required something special to use a presonal icon by the logical name (qgn_bla_bla_bla) ? | 02:16 |
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| sp3000 | logical, heh | 02:17 |
| b0unc3 | I don't know why it's working well on n800 and not on 770 | 02:18 |
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| b0unc3 | the docs say the same things... mah... | 02:18 |
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| s100user | hi | 02:26 |
| b0unc3 | someone with a 770 around? | 02:26 |
| s100user | me.. :) | 02:27 |
| b0unc3 | s100user: good, can you test a little thing for me ? | 02:27 |
| s100user | b0unc3: ok, explain what you want | 02:27 |
| s100user | b0unc3: ? | 02:30 |
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| b0unc3 | ok, install this .deb http://b0unc3.homeunix.net/nokia770/idea_1.0-770_armel.deb | 02:30 |
| b0unc3 | and look in the control panel | 02:30 |
| Pupnik | and? | 02:32 |
| s100user | b0unc3: humm... I thought you wanted some general help... I don't really feel like installing an unknown binary.. sorry... | 02:32 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: you see an new entry ? | 02:32 |
| Pupnik | i see IDEA in control panel | 02:32 |
| b0unc3 | s100user: np | 02:32 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: with a default icon ? | 02:33 |
| Pupnik | you should add a 'cancel' button next to "OK" | 02:33 |
| Pupnik | looks like a white page | 02:33 |
| b0unc3 | ;( | 02:33 |
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| Pupnik | i can pull up the 'set icon' page | 02:35 |
| Pupnik | and it shows a few icons | 02:35 |
| Pupnik | but clicking on one icon brings up file browser | 02:35 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: yes, you need to load the home applet :) | 02:35 |
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| Pupnik | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `hild' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. | 02:37 |
| Pupnik | i see that when installing/uninstalling | 02:37 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: my package is *idea* not hild, I suppose it is caused by other sw you have installed | 02:39 |
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| Pupnik | ok | 02:40 |
| Pupnik | i installed with dpkg -i idea*.deb | 02:40 |
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| b0unc3 | Pupnik: yes, it's right | 02:43 |
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| b0unc3 | Pupnik: are you using idea ? | 02:48 |
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| Pupnik | i ran it | 02:50 |
| Pupnik | what's it for? | 02:50 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: it's an 'application launcher' | 02:50 |
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| Pupnik | ah, so ppl don't have to start stuff from xterm? | 02:54 |
| Pupnik | can it link an icon to an existing executeable? | 02:55 |
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| b0unc3 | Pupnik: if the executeable have a dbus support | 02:55 |
| Pupnik | ah cool | 02:56 |
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| b0unc3 | Pupnik: create a new icon (save it) and go to the last table, to see if your executeable is listed | 02:56 |
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| Pupnik | i don't know of any dbus executeables | 02:57 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: the last table can hel you, double click on a entry and you will see (in a combo box) all the executeable that use dbus | 02:59 |
| b0unc3 | I think I'll make a video-guide | 02:59 |
| Pupnik | trying it | 02:59 |
| Pupnik | ok i have started idea | 03:00 |
| Pupnik | i see two tabs Icon Setting and label setting | 03:00 |
| Pupnik | then Icon Dimension | 03:00 |
| Pupnik | TOT ICON | 03:00 |
| Pupnik | SET! | 03:00 |
| Pupnik | and Apply | 03:00 |
| b0unc3 | yes, increase tot icon, and after click on set | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | aha | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | user does not know this without instructions | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | now i see "Click to Set Icon" field at lower right. but Set ICON window should be bigger | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | Click on 'Click to Set Icon'? | 03:02 |
| b0unc3 | yes | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | now i get "Open File" dialog, at home dir (Audio clips, Documents, Images etc) | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | where are icons? | 03:03 |
| Pupnik | should i see icons in the Open File dialog? | 03:03 |
| b0unc3 | the standard icons is in /usr/share/icons.. but the purpose of this is for use a non-standard-icon ( that you may have in your mmc) | 03:04 |
| Pupnik | ah ok | 03:04 |
| b0unc3 | *are | 03:04 |
| b0unc3 | if you wuold like to use a standard icon, set only the label | 03:05 |
| b0unc3 | and in the last table , check out the chackbox that say "use default icon" | 03:05 |
| Pupnik | ok . did i answer your debugging question btw? | 03:06 |
| Pupnik | have clicked on OK and applet has quit | 03:06 |
| b0unc3 | you have to click on apply before | 03:07 |
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| Pupnik | i click on apply from label setting window, then OK | 03:08 |
| Pupnik | and app closes | 03:08 |
| Pupnik | it did not ask me what executable to link icon to | 03:08 |
| b0unc3 | you have to go to the last table to set it | 03:09 |
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| Pupnik | oh there are multiple tabs and a right arrow | 03:09 |
| Pupnik | user does not know this either | 03:09 |
| Pupnik | :) | 03:09 |
| b0unc3 | ;D | 03:10 |
| Pupnik | UI tip: if you have a serial process, then present it to the user as a series of windows | 03:10 |
| Pupnik | step 1, step 2, step 3 etc | 03:10 |
| b0unc3 | Pupnik: it's not a serial process... | 03:11 |
| Pupnik | ah ok | 03:11 |
| b0unc3 | suppose you want to change only the label.. or the icon... | 03:11 |
| Pupnik | the linking to executeable step i think is needed | 03:13 |
| Pupnik | think in terms of processes | 03:14 |
| Pupnik | what does user want to do with program | 03:14 |
| Pupnik | prompt for input and serialise inputs for each task | 03:14 |
| Pupnik | or leave it the way you like to use it, but write a document explaining the steps | 03:15 |
| b0unc3 | yes, I agree | 03:15 |
| Pupnik | making soup .. bbl | 03:16 |
| b0unc3 | ok... need to sleep now though | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | cheers | 03:19 |
| Pupnik | A domani | 03:20 |
| Pupnik | Devo andare adesso. | 03:21 |
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| neostrider | hello fellows | 03:25 |
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| neostrider | here I have an old sbox 0.98 + mistral SDK working perfectly | 03:25 |
| neostrider | can I can just apt-get dist-upgrade it | 03:26 |
| neostrider | or I have to erase everything and install gregalle from scratch? | 03:26 |
| Pupnik | Boa noite! | 03:26 |
| * Pupnik dunnos. tar up your scratchbox in case of problems and dist-upgrade | 03:27 | |
| neostrider | pupnik , ja fiz isso ;-) | 03:27 |
| Pupnik | Eu entendo um pouco, mas não falo. | 03:28 |
| neostrider | ok...sorry =-D | 03:28 |
| neostrider | (where are you from?) | 03:29 |
| Pupnik | germany | 03:29 |
| neostrider | nice! | 03:30 |
| Pupnik | i like brasilian women | 03:30 |
| Pupnik | but this is offtopic | 03:30 |
| Pupnik | neostrider: do you use PalmOS apps? | 03:31 |
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| neostrider | pupnik, I never had a PalmOS device | 03:31 |
| neostrider | only a N-Gage and a Cassiopeia A-11 | 03:32 |
| Pupnik | ok, i am working on PalmOS emulator | 03:32 |
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| neostrider | Would be very cool | 03:36 |
| neostrider | the older PalmOS images are freely available on the net, right? | 03:36 |
| Pupnik | yes, not easy to find | 03:37 |
| Pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42879#post42879 | 03:37 |
| Pupnik | links there | 03:37 |
| Pupnik | i also just compiled Amiga emulator | 03:38 |
| Pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5298 | 03:39 |
| neostrider | but hey | 03:39 |
| neostrider | these emulators have a "front-end" like the videogame emulators or are more like WINE ( I Know, I Know, its not a emulator...but hey...you got the idea) | 03:39 |
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| neostrider | (by the way, Im working on a Armagetron clone) | 03:40 |
| Pupnik | hi unique311 | 03:40 |
| Pupnik | both have configuration frontends and the PalmOS emu looks like a palm sitting on screen | 03:41 |
| neostrider | pupnik, why dont you try something like what wine does to windows apps? | 03:41 |
| neostrider | would blend the apps better with the rest of the system | 03:42 |
| glass | might not be that easy | 03:42 |
| unique311 | hello all.. | 03:42 |
| Pupnik | i didn't write the emulator, i just cross compiled it | 03:42 |
| neostrider | yeah...but why not to suggest | 03:42 |
| unique311 | whats up pupnik | 03:42 |
| neostrider | hey unique | 03:42 |
| neostrider | by the way, hi glass ;-) | 03:43 |
| unique311 | whats up neo | 03:43 |
| unique311 | tab don't seem to work on osx86 xchat | 03:43 |
| neostrider | nothing much...just working on a tron-like game... | 03:43 |
| glass | heys neo | 03:43 |
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| unique311 | so neo it is | 03:43 |
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| unique311 | thoughtfix wrote an article about that tron game... | 03:44 |
| unique311 | he has it on a umpc | 03:44 |
| neostrider | yeah | 03:45 |
| neostrider | I saw it | 03:45 |
| unique311 | Nobody seems to have ported the POSE PalmOS emulator to the N800 yet. That would bring an awful lot of applications to the platform, and would help those moving from PalmOS PDAs to the N800. | 03:45 |
| neostrider | and realized it would be cool | 03:45 |
| neostrider | and not that hard to create it with my WIP game engine | 03:45 |
| unique311 | guess you proved that wrong pupnik | 03:45 |
| neostrider | the results, so far: http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/angstron-your-favorite-tron-game-for-maemo-or-the-first-game-using-bzk/ | 03:46 |
| unique311 | I like.... | 03:48 |
| neostrider | (like what?) | 03:49 |
| unique311 | the wip | 03:50 |
| neostrider | thanks! | 03:51 |
| neostrider | it also plays a lot like armagetron | 03:51 |
| neostrider | but its very raw | 03:51 |
| neostrider | and the arena is very big | 03:51 |
| neostrider | it will make it very slow on the device | 03:51 |
| neostrider | I have to optimize a lot | 03:51 |
| unique311 | http://tabletblog.com/2007/04/port-request-armagetron.html | 03:53 |
| neostrider | thats exactly what triggered me to make this game | 03:54 |
| neostrider | first I calculated what would be needed to port it | 03:54 |
| neostrider | but I guess it use GL, right? | 03:54 |
| neostrider | so no good | 03:54 |
| neostrider | then, I had my tech | 03:55 |
| neostrider | and then, happened as I described in the blog | 03:55 |
| Pupnik | hrm gl? | 03:56 |
| unique311 | Pupnik got anybody else to try pose on a n800? | 03:58 |
| neostrider | OpenGL? | 03:58 |
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| Pupnik | yeah somebody did | 03:58 |
| unique311 | issues with the gui missing the bottom half | 03:58 |
| unique311 | ? | 03:58 |
| neostrider | it would be boring to port | 03:58 |
| neostrider | making a new game is alot more exciting! | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | neostrider: what is rendering the 3d | 03:58 |
| neostrider | and as Im creating this game engine for about 2 years, I would be nice to use it | 03:58 |
| neostrider | pupnik, you mean in my WIP? I did the rendering myself | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | unique311: those issues will be looked at only after someone does a build for it2007 (bora or whatever) | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | nice neostrider | 03:58 |
| neostrider | from scracth | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | yeah that's pretty much the only sensible way | 03:58 |
| neostrider | so it runs a lot better than a generic OpenGL | 03:58 |
| unique311 | so the wait begins... | 03:59 |
| Pupnik | unique311: need to package, hildonize, make double-size work, make input from nokia vkeypad work | 03:59 |
| neostrider | pupnik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbAMS4b7VQ | 04:00 |
| Pupnik | neostrider: did you say 'world generated from voxels'? | 04:02 |
| neostrider | yeah | 04:02 |
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| neostrider | one of the members of the team is a proeminent author from the C&C modding community | 04:03 |
| Pupnik | that's pretty amazing stuff | 04:03 |
| neostrider | he created several voxel editing tools | 04:03 |
| unique311 | Pupnik you will be doing the steps describe above for 2006 n770...I'll take a shot at trying it out for the 800..don't think i can wait for someone to do the same for the 800.. | 04:03 |
| neostrider | (in delphi!!!! arrrgh! I run it with WINE) | 04:03 |
| unique311 | seems everyone is developing for the 770 anyways.. | 04:03 |
| neostrider | Im targeting both | 04:04 |
| Pupnik | unique311: you could look into making a skin that fits onto screen in double-size mode | 04:04 |
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| neostrider | pupnik: so, to use whats already available, I did a small conversor from its voxel file to a sector based wold | 04:04 |
| Pupnik | i don't think we can get a rotated onscreen keyboard going | 04:04 |
| neostrider | pupnik: rotating the screen? I guess it is possible...but its a huge effort | 04:05 |
| neostrider | maemo is scallable | 04:05 |
| Pupnik | neostrider: to me it seems that voxels are not the best way to edit the world | 04:05 |
| neostrider | pupnik: yeah, but they're very easy | 04:05 |
| Pupnik | ah | 04:05 |
| Pupnik | a friend of mine made one of the first 3d accelerated games for PC. he's really smart | 04:06 |
| unique311 | Pupnik you mean in landscape mode | 04:06 |
| neostrider | and the complexity of a very detailed world is comparable of a very huge (altrough less detailed) world | 04:06 |
| neostrider | whats the name of the game? | 04:06 |
| Pupnik | unique311: i mean if you're holding the 770 rotated, you still need to input text | 04:06 |
| Pupnik | Rebel Moon | 04:06 |
| Pupnik | 770/800 | 04:07 |
| neostrider | I know that game | 04:07 |
| neostrider | I've never play'd it | 04:07 |
| neostrider | but I know it | 04:07 |
| Pupnik | hah wow | 04:09 |
| Pupnik | i did some of the music for it | 04:09 |
| neostrider | great! | 04:09 |
| neostrider | speaking of music | 04:09 |
| neostrider | what do you suggest me about music for this game Im working on? | 04:09 |
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| Pupnik | whatever is free to distribute. mp3 or mods | 04:10 |
| Pupnik | .mods are more oldschool. mp3s can use the dsp | 04:10 |
| neostrider | but can SDL use the DSP for mp3? | 04:10 |
| Pupnik | SDL doesn't need to be involved i think. | 04:11 |
| Pupnik | rip the dspmp3 code from some other program :) | 04:11 |
| neostrider | wouldn't be very portable | 04:11 |
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| neostrider | I want it to be multiplataform | 04:11 |
| Pupnik | then maybe use mikmod in sdl. makes for smaller package also. | 04:12 |
| neostrider | as much as I envise the 770/n800 as a gaming terminal for a big gaming network , i want it to be interoperable | 04:12 |
| Pupnik | UQM source does this | 04:12 |
| neostrider | UQM? | 04:12 |
| neostrider | oh | 04:12 |
| Pupnik | Ur-Quan Masters | 04:12 |
| neostrider | that game | 04:12 |
| neostrider | mikmod...works good on the device? | 04:12 |
| Pupnik | has an internal .mod player, or you can compile libmikmod deb | 04:13 |
| Pupnik | it works.. | 04:13 |
| Pupnik | don't know how much cpu it takes | 04:13 |
| neostrider | thats the million dollar question ;-) | 04:13 |
| neostrider | but game engine itself takes 80% of CPU when running on device | 04:14 |
| neostrider | (at least, on a 770) | 04:14 |
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| Pupnik | maybe you can ignore music for the 770 and just play sound effects | 04:15 |
| glass | if the music is in some form of .mod it shouldn't take that much cpu | 04:15 |
| neostrider | yeah..i guess its better this way | 04:15 |
| glass | at least if you stick to few channels, 4 or 8 | 04:15 |
| neostrider | but then comes another issue with .mod: how to create a mod! | 04:16 |
| neostrider | heheh | 04:16 |
| glass | with a tracker program | 04:16 |
| neostrider | im not very proficient with thosse | 04:16 |
| neostrider | those | 04:16 |
| glass | get a ex-scener or currently in demoscene involved musician :p | 04:16 |
| neostrider | only with audacity and hydrogen | 04:16 |
| neostrider | nice idea | 04:16 |
| neostrider | do you know there can I look for this lucky fellow? | 04:16 |
| Pupnik | many many free mods are around | 04:17 |
| glass | neostrider: well, you could start by forums from places like ojuice.net | 04:17 |
| neostrider | ojuice.net | 04:17 |
| neostrider | great | 04:17 |
| neostrider | thanks | 04:17 |
| neostrider | hahahha nectarine demoscene radio! | 04:19 |
| neostrider | great! | 04:19 |
| Pupnik | unique311: have you gotten any of the skins for the treo with keyboard to work - crash here | 04:19 |
| neostrider | pupnik, how is the progress on the emulator? | 04:20 |
| Pupnik | testing keyboard input | 04:20 |
| Pupnik | it's also pretty slow on a 770 i'm afraid | 04:21 |
| neostrider | and functionality? | 04:21 |
| Pupnik | boot time is like 30 seconds here | 04:21 |
| neostrider | (slow for newer apps or for everything?) | 04:22 |
| Pupnik | seems to work fine with a real keyboard - everything i tried works | 04:22 |
| neostrider | WOW | 04:22 |
| glass | nice | 04:22 |
| glass | at least for ex-palm users | 04:23 |
| Pupnik | yeah well, they're not going to be ecstatic over the speed on the 770 | 04:25 |
| Pupnik | but then again these are in part 33mhz 68000s (Dragonball) and not 8mhz like the Atari ST and Amiga | 04:25 |
| neostrider | how long the project is running? | 04:25 |
| Pupnik | since yesterday | 04:25 |
| Pupnik | i just patched and cross-compiled it | 04:26 |
| neostrider | nice | 04:26 |
| neostrider | WIPs running fast this week hehe | 04:26 |
| Pupnik | i've got 5 maemo projects now | 04:26 |
| Pupnik | i'll probably finish Netrek first | 04:27 |
| Pupnik | since it runs fast and i only need to make a few more UI changes | 04:27 |
| Pupnik | TOME will take a lot of work so that's last | 04:28 |
| neostrider | I've got 3 | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | easy to start, hard to finish :) | 04:28 |
| neostrider | this angsTRON...MaemoWizard and a RPG that didnt even started yet | 04:28 |
| neostrider | they are inter-related hehehhe | 04:28 |
| neostrider | I use the game engine both for the RPG and for angsTRON | 04:29 |
| neostrider | and use MaemoWizard to make the package of the other two for Maemo | 04:29 |
| neostrider | so, Im often stuck | 04:29 |
| Pupnik | nice. are you interested in l-systems for plants? | 04:29 |
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| neostrider | l-systems? | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | lindenmeyer systems. procedural plants | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | http://www.xfrog.com/4images/ | 04:36 |
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| neostrider | im leaving, fellows | 04:44 |
| neostrider | nice night | 04:44 |
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| Pupnik | fltk is pretty darn cool | 04:48 |
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| fuelfive | are you guys using debian sarge or ubuntu? | 05:10 |
| Pupnik | debian sid here | 05:10 |
| Pupnik | www.sidux.com - the lean, mean sidux machine | 05:11 |
| * fuelfive tried ubuntu, couldn't get it to work | 05:12 | |
| * fuelfive tried debian sarge, also not successful yet | 05:12 | |
| fuelfive | time to try sidux | 05:12 |
| Pupnik | it's my favorite. #sidux @ oftc for help | 05:12 |
| Pupnik | install time 5-8 minutes | 05:13 |
| fuelfive | where's the download link? | 05:13 |
| fuelfive | i see lots of german | 05:13 |
| fuelfive | thanks for the help btw :) | 05:13 |
| Pupnik | http://sidux.com/Article116.html | 05:14 |
| Radar | I last used linux almost 8 years ago | 05:16 |
| Pupnik | did you upgrade to bsd or downgrade to windows? | 05:17 |
| Radar | windows since, then had bsd (osx) for the last two | 05:18 |
| Radar | now I have an n800! | 05:18 |
| Radar | got it tuesday | 05:18 |
| Pupnik | you like it? | 05:18 |
| Radar | so far, yeah | 05:19 |
| Radar | once I increased the fonts, especially in opera | 05:19 |
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| Pupnik | i'm a fan of the nokias, obviously | 05:20 |
| Radar | good job hiding that in an ini, opera | 05:20 |
| Pupnik | or use the plus key? | 05:20 |
| Radar | too much trouble to do that every time | 05:20 |
| Radar | set it and forget it! | 05:21 |
| Radar | only thing I have left to fix is statusbarclock, and wait for skype | 05:22 |
| Pupnik | there's a statusbarclock applet? | 05:23 |
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| Radar | guess so, but it's hidden under my theme's status bar | 05:24 |
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| Pupnik | woot, fixed a bug in pocketSNES | 05:29 |
| Radar | nice | 05:29 |
| Pupnik | that'd be my emu of choice | 05:30 |
| fuelfive | pocketsnes for N800? hot dog, I didn't realize that was out! | 05:30 |
| Pupnik | all those great rpgs | 05:30 |
| Pupnik | it's not | 05:30 |
| s100user | anyone had any issues while playing divx on a n800? (with mplayer) | 05:30 |
| fuelfive | hmmm.... should be another 7 hours until bt finishes downloading SIDUX | 05:32 |
| fuelfive | oy | 05:33 |
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| fuelfive | haven't tried s100user | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | heh pocketsnes compiles and runs on n770 | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | but it's trying to write to /dev/fb0 and /dev/fb1 for display | 05:36 |
| Radar | get pocketgenesis running then I'll be inteerested! | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | dgen starts up but crashes after the sega logo | 05:36 |
| Radar | I miss streets of rage | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | the arm-optimized pocket* versions should be faster than the std linux ones | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | but they require more rewriting than a straight X11 app | 05:37 |
| fuelfive | Pupnik, you would be my hero if you got a genesis or snes emulator working | 05:38 |
| fuelfive | 22 minutes until sidux dl finishes, can't wait | 05:39 |
| Pupnik | fuelfive: check the md5sum before burning, and burn in DAO mode, at a slow speed | 05:39 |
| fuelfive | ok, thanks for the tip | 05:40 |
| Tak | hmm, is there a way to remove a callback added using g_timeout_add? | 05:42 |
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| mattsqz | i got os2007 on my 770 now | 05:46 |
| Pupnik | btw Tak.. seen this? http://reesy.gp32x.de/DrPocketSnes.html | 05:47 |
| Tak | no, cool | 05:48 |
| Pupnik | i needed to copy-in cp ../snes9x-1.5/snes9x-1.5-src/sdd1.h to the dir | 05:49 |
| Pupnik | and rename some of the windows ALL CAPS files to match the includes | 05:49 |
| Pupnik | then it built and runs on the 770 | 05:50 |
| Pupnik | it tries to draw to /dev/fb0 and /dev/fb1 though so it needs SDL-ization | 05:50 |
| Pupnik | not to mention probably file and sound | 05:51 |
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| Pupnik | i'm not seriously looking at doing this, just a heads up | 05:51 |
| Tak | heh | 05:55 |
| Pupnik | there's also an even more windows-y version here wget http://www.imasy.or.jp/~ngs/emu/arc/PocketSNES-HPC010s.zip | 05:56 |
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| Radar | I like how xmaeme added giant A and B buttons on the right | 05:58 |
| mattsqz | yeah its hard to play games like narc with those buttons though | 05:58 |
| Tak | yeah | 05:59 |
| Tak | not many alternatives w/o hw buttons | 05:59 |
| Radar | can't imagine it's easy to play any games on a touch screen | 05:59 |
| Radar | need to hack a controller to use bluetooth! | 05:59 |
| Tak | I'm about halfway through ninja gaiden | 05:59 |
| Tak | bluetooth gamepad would probably work out of the box | 06:00 |
| Radar | if there was one | 06:00 |
| Tak | I know people are using them with xmame | 06:01 |
| Radar | it'd be $149.99 of course | 06:01 |
| mattsqz | why not just make a couple of buttons with a short usb cord and velcro them to the unit | 06:01 |
| Tak | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22bluetooth+gamepad%22&btnG=Google+Search | 06:02 |
| Tak | I'm sure you could use a usb gamepad with the 770's host mode hack | 06:03 |
| Radar | heh, I just did that search | 06:04 |
| Radar | looks like $80 | 06:04 |
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| Pupnik | at that price, just get a thinkoutside stowaway BT keyboard and use that | 06:11 |
| Radar | best buy should carry that | 06:11 |
| Radar | so I can use these gift cards from xmas | 06:12 |
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| Pupnik | it's a great design. build quality is kind of 'chinese' though | 06:12 |
| Radar | hell, best buy should carry the n800! | 06:12 |
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| mattsqz | havent seen em at the one here | 06:18 |
| Pupnik | we should chip in and buy the pocketsnes author a n800 | 06:19 |
| Pupnik | Scott Ramsby | 06:23 |
| Pupnik | his latest source (01.16.2003) http://paqpark.nuclearfallout.net/files/PocketSNES-1.12.200-SRC.zip | 06:24 |
| Radar | isn't the sandbox close enough? | 06:25 |
| Pupnik | what do you mean by sandbox? | 06:25 |
| Pupnik | hmm, oh this is bad, he doesn't permit redistribution of modified sources in his license | 06:26 |
| Radar | what's he gonna do, sue? | 06:27 |
| Radar | I'd like jvm working | 06:28 |
| Pupnik | i see three different modified releases so far from 'darren's' orig pocketsnes source | 06:30 |
| Pupnik | aah Darren Sillett | 06:30 |
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| Tak | maybe we can get nokia to send him a n900 | 06:42 |
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| davyd | woo, I figured out how to get my VPN routing to execute | 06:52 |
| davyd | now all that remains is to work out DNS | 06:52 |
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| Pupnik | please, please nokia give the n900 a better dpad and right hand side buttons! | 06:54 |
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| Pupnik | wrote darren email... | 06:55 |
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| Tak | wtf - I have one method that refuses to connect to dbus, but the code is identical to other methods that connect fine | 07:01 |
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| davyd | ssh, why is busybox a bunch of cockfosters? | 07:05 |
| davyd | that 'ssh' was meant to be 'arrg' | 07:05 |
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| davyd | now, the last thing to figure out remains the named DNS | 07:13 |
| davyd | the entries are written into /tmp/resolv.conf.ppp0 | 07:15 |
| davyd | just they don't seem to be noticed | 07:15 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 10:36 |
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| civodul | Hello folks! | 10:55 |
| civodul | yet another newbie question... | 10:55 |
| civodul | > file /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so | 10:56 |
| civodul | /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped | 10:56 |
| civodul | > perl | 10:56 |
| civodul | use Locale::gettext; | 10:56 |
| civodul | Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so' for module Locale::gettext: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory at [...] | 10:56 |
| civodul | any idea what's going on? | 10:56 |
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| keesj | perhaps you are missing some other files , did you try to strace it? | 10:59 |
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| Pupnik | i've seen that in other contexts | 11:04 |
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| keesj | I have solved such issues by runnint strace program so see what really was missing , the error might be misleading | 11:05 |
| * Pupnik nods | 11:05 | |
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| civodul | keesj: running `strace' seems like a good idea | 11:34 |
| civodul | stat64("/scratchbox/devkits/debian/lib/perl/Carp/Heavy.pmc", 0xbf91c0a0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 11:34 |
| civodul | looks like this might be the issue | 11:35 |
| CountDown | Anyone have any luck using VLC on an N800 to stream the web cam to a server (e.g. Apple's Quicktime Broadcaster) for redistribution? | 11:38 |
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| glenux | hello | 12:20 |
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| keesj | Happy Happy joy joy | 13:37 |
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| koen | keesj: good morning! | 13:40 |
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| keesj | :) | 13:46 |
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| AD-N770 | hello all | 14:22 |
| b0unc3 | in a .desktop can I pass a url to the tag Icon= ? | 14:22 |
| AD-N770 | in order to use sbrsh on N800, the only way is using devel rootFS or there's a package that I can install in a regularFS ? | 14:23 |
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| kulve | AD-N770: sure you can use normal rootfs for sbrshd | 14:37 |
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| kulve | it needs nfs-modules and mount. Both can be installed with apt-get | 14:37 |
| AD-N770 | there's a howto? | 14:38 |
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| kulve | AD-N770: seems not.. | 14:43 |
| AD-N770 | I will try later following http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_SetUpCPUTransparency_FedoraCore | 14:45 |
| AD-N770 | I've to go now | 14:45 |
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| AD-N770 | thanks | 14:45 |
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| unique311_ | good morning and aurevroi and shit...work.. | 15:33 |
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| mgedmin | this morning my n800 crashed | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I found it showing the blue nokia logo in a white background | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | it did not reboot by itself | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | it ignored the power button | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I had to pull the battery | 15:41 |
| daniels | is it in r&d mode? | 15:42 |
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| mgedmin | no | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | I think it crashed at 10 am when it tried to show the alarm dialog | 15:44 |
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| sp3000 | you try to show an alarm dialog at 10 am | 15:58 |
| * sp3000 would crash, too | 15:58 | |
| mgedmin | :) | 15:59 |
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| mgedmin | technically, I requested the alarm at 9 am | 15:59 |
| osfameron | gah, the N800 alarm dialog is completely retarded | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | but the n800 doesn't realise that I want local time, not conversion-to-UTC-before-DST-and-conversion-back-after-DST-takes-effect | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | "completely retarded" about sums it up | 16:00 |
| osfameron | at least, it does't seem to have any way to set it to 24hr clock, which is just stupid | 16:00 |
| osfameron | and various other things, but that's the most annoying one | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | I especially like the bit when the alarms do not go off sometimes | 16:01 |
| * osfameron froths at the mouth a bit about the sad state of the bundled software on N800. (i.e., pretty much all of it except the browser) | 16:01 | |
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| osfameron | heh, I don't think I've had alarms not go | 16:01 |
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| muzzydk_ | wouldn't it be fairly simple to rewrite the alarm app? | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | osfameron: do you keep your n800 online all the time? | 16:03 |
| osfameron | mgedmin: nah, I told it to stop checking for wireless, because that just chews up the battery life | 16:03 |
| osfameron | also cos I don't have broadband at work flat | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | sometimes my 10 am alarm gets triggered at, say, 3:15 pm, when I first go online | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | not always, though | 16:04 |
| osfameron | so I mainly connect at office or via UMTS from home, briefly | 16:04 |
| osfameron | oh! it responds to connectivity change? | 16:04 |
| daniels | mgedmin: dst damage> ouch | 16:06 |
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| dunsun | hi | 16:43 |
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| dunsun | hmm just be a little strange that xchat application | 16:45 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 17:51 |
| dunsun | hi there | 17:51 |
| neostrider | so dunsun. developer? user? | 17:54 |
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| dunsun | only a very new user | 17:54 |
| dunsun | just trying xchat app | 17:55 |
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| neostrider | so...are you on the device? | 17:55 |
| dunsun | yapp | 17:55 |
| dunsun | i have to say that touch screen is not the best thing of that nokia | 17:57 |
| neostrider | 770 or N800? | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | it's more a push screen than a touch screen | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | becoming a stab screen on the bottom right corner | 17:58 |
| dragorn | I think I have to agree, the 770 touchscreen seems much more accurate to me, and (amusingly) the DS touch screen is even better. Still, it's not bad. Not unusably, maybe mildly annoying sometimes. | 17:58 |
| neostrider | strange....im not a regular user, but I think it works nicely for me | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | no problems with accuracy (have you tried calibrating)? | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | but it is less sensitive than I'd like | 17:59 |
| dunsun | after 1 week of using preasure needed for pushing backspace is much biger | 17:59 |
| dunsun | n800 | 17:59 |
| neostrider | you unit may be malfunctioning? | 18:00 |
| dunsun | maybe | 18:00 |
| dunsun | it's jusr another turn ... calibrating | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | btw I got the impression that the touchscreen on my 770 became less sensitive after I flashed a new os image to it (2006.2, I think) | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | maybe it was just age | 18:02 |
| dunsun | but all other things are a pleasure | 18:02 |
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| dunsun | ssh, socat, mplayer | 18:02 |
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| dunsun | another 1 thing i don't like - sound qallity is terrible | 18:04 |
| bansteen | hi there | 18:05 |
| bansteen | i just learned about Maemo today(Just niow) | 18:05 |
| bansteen | Now | 18:05 |
| dunsun | is it possible to use sshs,samba or nfs with a stock kernel? | 18:05 |
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| bill20r3 | ssh, yes. | 18:06 |
| bill20r3 | samba & nfs, I dont know. | 18:06 |
| dunsun | sshfs i meant | 18:06 |
| bill20r3 | ah, I haven't seen a package for it. | 18:06 |
| bansteen | where can I find rpm and other dependencies of maemo for fedora 6 | 18:06 |
| bansteen | where can I find rpm and other dependencies of maemo for fedora 6 | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | is there an echo in here? | 18:08 |
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| bansteen | Hi there | 18:09 |
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| bansteen | Anybody knows how to install maemo on fedora 6 | 18:09 |
| dunsun | hmm | 18:10 |
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| bansteen | hi all | 18:14 |
| bansteen | anybody know any rpm for maemo | 18:15 |
| net0 | there is a lot of people, but we are of the same color as the ground | 18:15 |
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| * mgedmin thinks there are no RPMs of maemo | 18:16 | |
| bansteen | ohh | 18:17 |
| bansteen | then how to install it in fedora 6 | 18:17 |
| bansteen | i'd really appreciate the help | 18:18 |
| neostrider | bansteen | 18:18 |
| bansteen | yes | 18:18 |
| neostrider | I guess you will have to go .tgz | 18:18 |
| bansteen | ohh | 18:18 |
| bansteen | then i need maemo 3 | 18:18 |
| neostrider | even on debian it is somewhat strange... | 18:18 |
| bansteen | and scratch box | 18:18 |
| neostrider | scratchbox is easy to install | 18:18 |
| neostrider | just unpack everything | 18:19 |
| bansteen | configure,make,make install | 18:19 |
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| neostrider | no no...just extract the tgz | 18:19 |
| neostrider | trust me | 18:19 |
| bansteen | will it run fedora 6 | 18:19 |
| neostrider | will save a lot of headache | 18:19 |
| neostrider | i dunno | 18:19 |
| neostrider | i just use ubuntu | 18:19 |
| bansteen | ubuntu has debian kernel | 18:19 |
| bansteen | can u pls give me the download links of maemo and other dependencies | 18:20 |
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| mgedmin | they're somewhere at www.maemo.org | 18:21 |
| bansteen | ok | 18:21 |
| bansteen | let me see then | 18:21 |
| bansteen | thanks for ur help | 18:21 |
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| net0 | bansteen, I see links in wiki how-to | 18:22 |
| bansteen | ok | 18:23 |
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| civodul | I'm confused | 18:27 |
| civodul | I created an ARM target in SB, with the appropriate cross-compiler | 18:28 |
| civodul | now, I notice that `which perl` is an i386 executable | 18:28 |
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| civodul | how's that supposed to work? | 18:28 |
| civodul | I though I was supposed to see ARM binaries when an ARM target is selected | 18:29 |
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| neostrider | civodul, SB is not a emulator | 18:29 |
| neostrider | so not everything there is arm binary...I guess so ;-) | 18:30 |
| civodul | neostrider: I know, but it uses Qemu | 18:30 |
| neostrider | SBOX? | 18:30 |
| neostrider | are you sure? | 18:30 |
| civodul | neostrider: right, but for instance /lib/libc.so.6 is an ARM binary | 18:30 |
| civodul | yes | 18:30 |
| civodul | the `cputrans' devkit | 18:30 |
| neostrider | I dont have this devkit... | 18:30 |
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| civodul | or maybe build-dependencies should be installed for the host arch (i386) | 18:32 |
| civodul | when one's willing to cross-compile an ARM package? | 18:32 |
| civodul | (guess so) | 18:32 |
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| net0 | slashdot has a story on arm attack; I don't see details now | 18:33 |
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| kulve | sbox uses host tools to speed up things. E.g. perl is i386, because there's usually no need to run it as arm.. | 18:33 |
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| civodul | kulve: ok | 18:34 |
| glass | net0: reading the article now | 18:34 |
| civodul | my issue is: I want to build `comerr-dev' (for the ARM) | 18:34 |
| neostrider | net0 ... seems like vapor to me | 18:35 |
| civodul | `e2fsprogs' (the source package) build-depends on `help2man' | 18:35 |
| glass | yeah the blurb on /. is definetely off the wall at least | 18:35 |
| civodul | which in turn depends on `libperl-locale-gettext' | 18:35 |
| civodul | so I should get myself a native (i386) `libperl-locale-gettext' | 18:35 |
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| civodul | but then, how? | 18:35 |
| civodul | I mean: `sources.list' contains ARM repositories, not i386 | 18:36 |
| kulve | civodul: I think you should build e2fsprogs without help2man. I guess that's needed only for docs | 18:36 |
| net0 | neostrider, you are probbly right | 18:36 |
| net0 | no data, as I see with just two eyes | 18:36 |
| daniels | civodul: scratchbox has some stuff (perl, python, toolchain, etc) as native in order to speed the process | 18:36 |
| civodul | kulve: can I tell `dpkb-buildpackage' to not build the docs? | 18:36 |
| daniels | since running _everything_ through qemu is slow | 18:36 |
| neostrider | lots of stuff on /. seems like vapor these days... | 18:37 |
| civodul | daniels: agreed, but then it also complicates the process since build-deps should be native... | 18:37 |
| kulve | civodul: nope. You need to modify it | 18:37 |
| glass | "Jack plans to disclose details on this attack -- and the things that device makers can do to avoid it -- at the CanSecWest security conference being held later this month in Vancouver." | 18:37 |
| glass | seems like crap | 18:37 |
| glass | hows the code supposed to get to anywhere it could execute.. | 18:37 |
| civodul | kulve: how convenient! ;-) | 18:37 |
| kulve | civodul: yep | 18:37 |
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| net0 | glass, they ask to come and see | 18:38 |
| net0 | for a fee | 18:38 |
| neostrider | net0, I must confess that the first thing that crossed my mind was the 770 | 18:38 |
| daniels | net0: that article is, for wont of a better phrase, fucking stupid. | 18:38 |
| glass | net0: i'll bet you 20 bucks it needs physical access to jtag or some shit like that | 18:38 |
| net0 | neostrider, my firts thinking was milk ;-) | 18:39 |
| neostrider | what is jtag? | 18:39 |
| net0 | the group, I think | 18:39 |
| daniels | net0: jtag is a debug interface that lets you do anything with any chip. no-one in their right mind (this includes nokia) puts jtag interfaces on release boards. | 18:39 |
| neostrider | i see | 18:39 |
| neostrider | BRB | 18:39 |
| daniels | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTAG | 18:39 |
| neostrider | going to cook my lunch | 18:39 |
| glass | and what attack is it if you got physical access to replace the device or do whatever you want anyhow | 18:39 |
| net0 | if they give tickets to vancouver, I'll go | 18:40 |
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| daniels | right. it's like saying being able to smash your device with a sledgehammer is a security vulnerability because it's a DoS. | 18:41 |
| glass | exactly.. | 18:42 |
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| plr_ | hello, I'm new to the maemo development. I found traces of an application called bloglines 770, but the development seems to be abandoned. I emailed the author, but he hasn't emailed me back. Does someone have the application or better enough, the source code? I would like to take a look of it and most likely continue to develop it | 19:10 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 19:54 |
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| b0unc3 | someone know how to set a non-standard icon for a control panel entry (in the .desktop)? | 19:56 |
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| mgedmin | don't the docs say? | 20:04 |
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| b0unc3 | mgedmin: yes, but seem not to work... | 20:09 |
| neostrider | check the permissions | 20:23 |
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| Pupnik_ | morning | 20:31 |
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| neostrider | afternoon ;-) | 20:35 |
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| neostrider | 14:35 | 20:35 |
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| Pupnik_ | i think debian sarge might be a better host system for scratchbox | 20:36 |
| Pupnik_ | when i grab packages with debian sid, apt-get source, they frequently require newer dependencies than i find in IT2006 | 20:36 |
| neostrider | all my good memories of development with maemo were either on sarge or ubuntu dapper | 20:38 |
| Pupnik_ | btw Tak|work i think that Aligned memory access may be an issue with dgen / snes | 20:38 |
| Pupnik_ | from the Dosbox 0.65 changelog: "Check for unaligned memory acces fixes hangups on ARM processors." | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | oh yes, memory alignment issues are very fun | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | on the 770 there was a file in /proc that could detect and/or automatically fix unaligned memory access problems | 20:39 |
| Pupnik_ | ? | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/PortingFromX86ToARM | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | /proc/cpu/alignment | 20:40 |
| Pupnik_ | very nice, thank you | 20:40 |
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| neostrider | are you telling me we have DosBOX for Maemo?!??!?!?! | 20:43 |
| Pupnik_ | 30 seconds... | 20:44 |
| Pio | damn, that'd rock | 20:44 |
| Pio | stunts.exe | 20:44 |
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| Pupnik_ | oop couple minutes | 20:45 |
| b0unc3 | neostrider: checked, but still doesn't work | 20:47 |
| neostrider | =-( | 20:47 |
| neostrider | try prince of persia | 20:47 |
| neostrider | its the most vanilly thing you can get | 20:47 |
| Pupnik_ | well dosbox 0.65 runs fine on scratchbox armel target - crashes on nokia 770 | 20:48 |
| Pupnik_ | breakfast - brb | 20:49 |
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| Tak|work | hmm - the emus all crash with qemu too, though | 21:00 |
| b0unc3 | can I use a url in the Icon tag of the .desktop? | 21:02 |
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| derf | Why would you want to? | 21:03 |
| `0660 | sounds inefficient | 21:03 |
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| b0unc3 | dunno.. I have no more ideas :( | 21:04 |
| neostrider | hey...using a url...that may be cool hehhehe | 21:07 |
| `0660 | :P | 21:08 |
| b0unc3 | I copy my icon under /usr/share/icons.. with the 'logical' name qgn_bla_bla... | 21:11 |
| b0unc3 | but when I use this 'logical' name in a .desktop, it's dosen't load my icon ;( | 21:11 |
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| derf | Does it launch your program? | 21:12 |
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| b0unc3 | derf: the problem is that in control panel I have the new entry ... but with a 'withe page icon'... not with my icon | 21:14 |
| b0unc3 | it's very strange, in the n800 it work fine... | 21:16 |
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| derf | Oh, well I don't know, then. | 21:21 |
| derf | All I have is an N800. | 21:21 |
| b0unc3 | derf: ok | 21:23 |
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| bill20r3 | "all" | 21:28 |
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| Pupnik_ | i've got a hard-to-read courier font in xterm, is that normal? | 21:36 |
| bill20r3 | zoom out.. | 21:37 |
| Pupnik_ | it could really use something more readable | 21:37 |
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| Pupnik_ | i know how to zoom. i just think the font stinks at any particular size | 21:37 |
| bill20r3 | are you talking about the default font that osso-xterm uses? | 21:39 |
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| Smilez | Howdy everyone. First off. I love my new N800! But how the heck do I get plugins into this thing for opera? | 21:41 |
| bill20r3 | good question, I've never even seen any released. | 21:42 |
| Smilez | The opera website says you just download the software (ie: Mplayer, Flash, Adobe, etc) and then copy or symlink the file into the opera plugins directory | 21:43 |
| Pupnik_ | when i run dosbox on sbox-ARMEL i see old_mmap(), on nokia 770 i see mmap2() | 21:43 |
| Smilez | but I installed MPlayer on here, but it wont stream any media embedded on pages | 21:43 |
| Pupnik_ | bill20r3: yeah - here it's a thin courier | 21:44 |
| Smilez | Also, I tried installing the "Dates" package from: http://projects.o-hand.com/dates but the package repositories for bora don't have naything in them | 21:44 |
| Smilez | anybody? | 21:54 |
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| Pupnik_ | Smilez: | 22:01 |
| Pupnik_ | what's a page with a sample | 22:01 |
| Pupnik_ | that you want to stream | 22:02 |
| Pupnik_ | i can try it here | 22:02 |
| Smilez | freetube.us.tc or chooseandwatch.com | 22:02 |
| Smilez | some of those free television sites | 22:02 |
| Pupnik_ | you invoke that with mplayer freetube.us.tc? | 22:02 |
| Smilez | i open the page in opera | 22:02 |
| Smilez | but where the video is i just see a box with an icon for media | 22:02 |
| Smilez | when i click on it, it tries going to a non existent url | 22:03 |
| Pupnik_ | oh i get it | 22:03 |
| Pupnik_ | those sites suck :) | 22:03 |
| Smilez | yeah... opera says i download mplayer, then symlink or copy the plugin into the opera plugins dir | 22:03 |
| Smilez | do you have a better alternative? | 22:03 |
| Smilez | I agree, i dont like the tons of ads they have on there | 22:04 |
| Pupnik_ | for youtube or google video i use the python youtube-dl script | 22:04 |
| Smilez | but then you gotta download it all right? | 22:04 |
| Pupnik_ | youtube-dl -o filename.flv http:whatever | 22:04 |
| Pupnik_ | yeah | 22:04 |
| Smilez | I just wanna be able to play them embedded | 22:04 |
| Smilez | I think thats a huge feature | 22:04 |
| Pupnik_ | those sites generally try to force you to use some evil format and plugin | 22:05 |
| Smilez | yeah.... i think they use windows media but MPlayer handles those... | 22:05 |
| Smilez | so i thought I could do it | 22:05 |
| Smilez | im going to install the SSH server on the n800 and ssh into it, to try and find the plugins | 22:05 |
| Smilez | i love this thing though... it really amazingly powerful | 22:06 |
| Smilez | plus 45% off due to compusa going out of business here... priceless | 22:06 |
| Pupnik_ | that's a great deal | 22:07 |
| Tak|work | hah - now I wish my compusa were going out of business | 22:07 |
| daniels | mplayer only handles windows media on i386/amd64 because it's possibly to illegally download the windows codecs. it doesn't work on arm. | 22:07 |
| Smilez | hmm | 22:08 |
| Smilez | so I can't watch any windows media or nothin? | 22:08 |
| Smilez | dang | 22:08 |
| Smilez | any opera friendly Internet TV sites? :D | 22:09 |
| Smilez | yeah i went in there to buy some blank dvd's and I said... hmm... how much do i get off this n800? | 22:09 |
| Smilez | when they said $170+ discount, I said, ring that sucker up! | 22:09 |
| daniels | i think the media player handles real and wmv streams, but not mplayer | 22:10 |
| Smilez | but how could I get the stream URL out of the website itself? | 22:11 |
| Pupnik_ | websites like to hide that | 22:11 |
| Smilez | hmm.... i wonder if i could get it from this PC im on, then copy it over | 22:11 |
| Smilez | yeah I figured | 22:11 |
| Tak|work | I thought mplayer had limited ability to play wmv and the like using native codecs | 22:11 |
| Pupnik_ | evil crappy websites serving evil closed 'format' streams | 22:11 |
| daniels | Tak|work: it can play wmv because you can get the dlls from windows. given windows doesn't run on arm, there are no arm dlls to download. | 22:12 |
| Smilez | Pupnik_, I have yet to find any that dont :D | 22:12 |
| Pupnik_ | Smilez: which is why i don't use them | 22:12 |
| Tak|work | yes, what I meant was that I had the impression that there were a few wmv codecs that were natively implemented | 22:12 |
| Tak|work | aka, didn't use the windlls | 22:12 |
| Pupnik_ | Tak|work: i think wmv9 or something | 22:13 |
| Smilez | Pupnik_, are there any plugins I could isntall? | 22:14 |
| Smilez | like flash player? | 22:14 |
| Pupnik_ | i know others use flash and i've seen flash sites | 22:15 |
| Pupnik_ | duno how to install player | 22:15 |
| Smilez | dang | 22:15 |
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| Smilez | im installing the SSH daemon onto it | 22:15 |
| Pupnik_ | better off without it. flash sucks too. | 22:15 |
| Smilez | so i can connect to it from my pc, then I can try and jump in there | 22:16 |
| Pupnik_ | yeah ssh is useful | 22:16 |
| Smilez | Pupnik_, most websites either use flash, embedded media, or javascript | 22:16 |
| Smilez | so you can't just call everything Evil :D | 22:16 |
| Pupnik_ | no, not everything. everything that sucks | 22:16 |
| Pupnik_ | everything good doesn't | 22:16 |
| Smilez | What are some good package repositories I can add. The SSH server failed to install using the .install file | 22:17 |
| Tak|work | it should show up in red pill mode now, though | 22:17 |
| Pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=maemo+bora+repositories+ | 22:17 |
| Smilez | those are all theo nes that are already in there i think | 22:18 |
| Smilez | Pupnik_, so what do you use your tablet for? | 22:18 |
| * Pupnik_ has dropbear ssh but there's also another one | 22:18 | |
| Pupnik_ | mplayer, opera, irc (irssi) | 22:18 |
| Smilez | tru | 22:19 |
| Smilez | do you stream media from your pc on LAN? | 22:19 |
| Pupnik_ | going to do that soon via gmyth | 22:19 |
| Smilez | I got Canola on here, and thats a beautiful app | 22:19 |
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| Smilez | nice. Yeah I bought this because I eventually want to use it as my mythtv remote | 22:19 |
| Smilez | http://www.maemo-apps.org/ <-- can anyone click on any of those projects? | 22:20 |
| Pupnik_ | right now i transcode vid using the 770-encode.pl script | 22:20 |
| Pupnik_ | when i want to take some movies/tv shows on the road | 22:20 |
| Pupnik_ | yes | 22:20 |
| Smilez | interesting... wouldn't it be easier to convert it on the PC then xfer the finished product? | 22:20 |
| Pupnik_ | yeah i convert on the pc with 770-encode.pl | 22:21 |
| Smilez | ohhh... my apologies... thought it was a script for the tablet itself | 22:21 |
| Pupnik_ | no prob | 22:21 |
| Pupnik_ | well dosbox 0.65 builds and runs but crashes here | 22:21 |
| Smilez | how the heck does this "CarMan" application work? More hardware? | 22:22 |
| Smilez | I wouldn't ever slap my linux in the face by trying to run dos on it :D | 22:22 |
| Pupnik_ | yeah you buy this device that plugs into your car computer | 22:22 |
| Smilez | thats awesome | 22:22 |
| Smilez | do you have the GPS module? | 22:22 |
| Pupnik_ | no | 22:22 |
| Smilez | thats my next purchase | 22:22 |
| Smilez | I got Maemo mapper on here... and thats just awesome | 22:22 |
| Smilez | hmm.. I think the openssh installer froze up | 22:23 |
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| Smilez | nm there it went | 22:23 |
| Pupnik_ | just a tip, to keep the connection alive when i ssh into the nokia, i keep a ping running from the pc side | 22:24 |
| Pupnik_ | dunno if that's needed on the n800 | 22:24 |
| Smilez | ill try it out | 22:25 |
| Smilez | how do i configure the ssh server/start it? | 22:25 |
| Smilez | shell? | 22:25 |
| Tak|work | there should be a way to enable keepalive from in ssh_config | 22:25 |
| Tak|work | (or maybe sshd_config) | 22:25 |
| Smilez | wheres dropbear install to? | 22:26 |
| daniels | there's not, because it's a maemo connectivity thing. they need dbus hooks to kick icd. | 22:27 |
| Smilez | ?? | 22:27 |
| Smilez | and whats the root password on this sucker? | 22:27 |
| Pupnik_ | rootme | 22:28 |
| Smilez | i typed "su" it says "this applet requires root priv's" | 22:28 |
| derf | Pupnik_: It is needed on the N800. | 22:28 |
| derf | Enabling keep-alives (from the client side) did not seem to actually help. | 22:28 |
| Pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=maemo+%22how+do+i+become+root%22 | 22:28 |
| Pupnik_ | ^^ Smilez | 22:29 |
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| derf | Sorry, that was from the server side. | 22:29 |
| derf | Generally, the default TCP keep alive timeout interval is on the order of 3 hours. | 22:30 |
| Smilez | wow that looks complicated Pupnik | 22:30 |
| derf | Which makes it almost completely useless in... any practical scenario. | 22:30 |
| Pupnik | derf ah for wlan / battery saving? | 22:30 |
| derf | Well, the 3 hour timeout is from the TCP standard. | 22:31 |
| derf | The device shutting the wireless interface off after ~5 minutes without outgoing traffic is for battery saving. | 22:31 |
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| derf | I just wrote a program to ping Google periodically while the AC adapter is plugged in. | 22:32 |
| derf | (it also lets you have separate screen brightness levels and blank timeouts for AC/battery) | 22:33 |
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| daniels | derf: sounds like dsme, except not useless. | 22:34 |
| derf | dsme? | 22:35 |
| Smilez | what about installing mame roms?? I installed xmaeme | 22:35 |
| Smilez | but what about the roms? | 22:35 |
| Tak|work | what about the roms? | 22:35 |
| Smilez | where do they go? | 22:35 |
| Tak|work | you'll want xmame as well, btw | 22:35 |
| Smilez | yeah sorry, got both of those on there | 22:36 |
| Smilez | the front/back-ends | 22:36 |
| Tak|work | iirc it looks by default in /media/mmc[12]/roms | 22:36 |
| Tak|work | next version looks in about 80 places | 22:36 |
| Smilez | interesting | 22:36 |
| Smilez | do we know what format they have to be in? | 22:36 |
| Tak|work | folder or zip | 22:36 |
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| Tak|work | same as xmame on the pc | 22:37 |
| Smilez | ill leave them zipped up then | 22:37 |
| Pupnik | dosbox configure sets #define C_FPU 1, which is odd | 22:39 |
| daniels | how so? | 22:39 |
| Pupnik | ok i'm lame. 770 has fpu? | 22:39 |
| daniels | ah. 770, no, but n800, yes. | 22:39 |
| Pupnik | ok | 22:40 |
| Smilez | do i need unzip on here to play the zipped rom? | 22:40 |
| Tak|work | no | 22:40 |
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| Smilez | dang, "unable to load rom" when i clicked the zip | 22:41 |
| Tak|work | have you verified that that rom actually works with xmame? (e.g. on a pc) | 22:41 |
| Smilez | negative | 22:42 |
| Tak|work | xmame is picky | 22:42 |
| Smilez | I think i might be trying to do too much at once... I won't leave any suprises for later on :D | 22:42 |
| Pupnik | " | 22:44 |
| Pupnik | Note that QEMU does not handle unaligned memory access in the same way as the real device, so these errors will not be apparent if you test the application in Scratchbox." | 22:44 |
| Pupnik | ahhh | 22:44 |
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| Smilez | oh yeah. how can I install dates/contacts? | 22:45 |
| Pupnik | a program? | 22:46 |
| Smilez | yeah | 22:46 |
| Pupnik | what program? | 22:46 |
| Smilez | http://downloads.maemo.org/office-business/ <-- 2 & 3 down (Dates / Contacts) | 22:46 |
| Smilez | I added the repository, but the Bora directories are empty | 22:47 |
| Pupnik | hmm | 22:47 |
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| Pupnik | did you click 'check for updates'? | 22:48 |
| Smilez | yep | 22:48 |
| Smilez | i manually browsed the repository | 22:48 |
| Smilez | and the sources file is empty as is the packages | 22:48 |
| Smilez | in the bora directory | 22:48 |
| Pupnik | i don't have bora, don't know what that could be | 22:49 |
| Pupnik | see if running apt-get update from xterm/ssh as root gives errors? | 22:49 |
| Smilez | oh, i couldn't get root access | 22:49 |
| Pupnik | well it obviously should work from the application manager | 22:50 |
| Tak|work | you can view the log from the app manager | 22:51 |
| Smilez | i can run items from application manager? | 22:52 |
| Tak|work | run items? | 22:53 |
| Smilez | i can execute the files in application manager? | 22:53 |
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| Pupnik | no | 22:55 |
| Smilez | how can I reorganize my program listing? like where my favorites/games/web/etc is | 22:56 |
| * Pupnik ponders | 22:59 | |
| Pupnik | task navigator | 23:00 |
| Pupnik | applications - organize | 23:00 |
| Pupnik | task navigator is under 'control panel' | 23:00 |
| Smilez | thanks | 23:01 |
| Smilez | i knew i had seen it before | 23:01 |
| Smilez | much better | 23:02 |
| Smilez | you got gstreamer? | 23:02 |
| Pupnik | no.. don't remember what it's for | 23:02 |
| Smilez | it finds music/video streams for you | 23:03 |
| Smilez | oh is there an image application that will let me turn the images horizontal | 23:04 |
| Smilez | so that I can turn the tablet vertical and see it full size? | 23:04 |
| Pupnik | that'd be a nice feature for the image viewer | 23:04 |
| Smilez | i thought so too | 23:04 |
| Pupnik | what's your favorite linux image viewer? mine's gqview | 23:05 |
| Tak|work | duh, pornview | 23:05 |
| Smilez | theres really an app called pornview? | 23:06 |
| Tak|work | http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/pornview | 23:07 |
| Pupnik | hah | 23:07 |
| Pio | goes good with porn-get | 23:08 |
| Pupnik | ported and packaged gqview in and installed to nokia in 5 minutes | 23:08 |
| Pupnik | gqview can rotate images with [ and ] keys | 23:09 |
| Pupnik | maemo is so awesome. 5 minutes to port an app | 23:09 |
| Smilez | Pupnik, you have the .deb file? | 23:09 |
| Pupnik | yeah just uploading it now | 23:10 |
| Smilez | cool | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | it's not a proper port though | 23:10 |
| Smilez | oh | 23:10 |
| Smilez | how can i do the same? | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | doesn't show up in app manager, or task switcher | 23:10 |
| Smilez | crikey | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | but you can run it from xterm and it works just like on pc | 23:10 |
| Smilez | have you used media streamer? | 23:12 |
| Smilez | http://test.maemo.org/downloads/product/mediastreamer-itos2007/ | 23:12 |
| Pupnik | gqview .deb here http://ln-s.net/O1i | 23:12 |
| Smilez | when i install it where will it install to? | 23:12 |
| maddler | re | 23:13 |
| Juhaz | another 5 minutes to write a desktop file and it will | 23:14 |
| Smilez | juhaz care to do that for us? | 23:14 |
| derf | And add the osso_initialize() call. And adapt the menubar. And... | 23:15 |
| Pupnik | i'll learn how to do that tonight | 23:15 |
| daniels | that would at least be a port, yes | 23:15 |
| Smilez | alright, ima get out of here | 23:16 |
| Smilez | this thing needs to charge | 23:16 |
| Smilez | and i need to get off this PC :D | 23:16 |
| derf | You're just lucky it didn't actually use Gnome. | 23:16 |
| Pupnik | yeah you're right, that's not a port, just a build | 23:16 |
| derf | Which, if you can get away with it, is much better in my book. | 23:17 |
| Smilez | alright peace out everyone | 23:17 |
| Smilez | thanks a bunch for all the help | 23:17 |
| Smilez | I'll be back in here on the regular now | 23:18 |
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| Pupnik | Any n800 user want to test the dosbox binary - on the off chance that it runs on the n800 but not n770? | 23:30 |
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| bill20r3 | is it just a single-file binary, not a .deb? | 23:34 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 23:34 |
| Pupnik | exiting here | 23:34 |
| Pupnik | mmap2(NULL, 16781312, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40555000 | 23:34 |
| Pupnik | +++ killed by SIGKILL +++ | 23:34 |
| bill20r3 | d'oh | 23:35 |
| bill20r3 | put it where I can grab it and I'll give it a try | 23:35 |
| Pupnik | :) ok | 23:35 |
| bill20r3 | just run it from an xterm as User, right? | 23:35 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 23:35 |
| Pupnik | just a minute | 23:36 |
| daniels | what is dosbox trying to mmap? | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | dunno, i'd need to build with debugging flags on | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | or learn debugging with gdb or soemthing | 23:38 |
| daniels | or grep the source for mmap ... | 23:38 |
| derf | daniels: Apparently it's trying to map -1. | 23:38 |
| derf | Presumably it tried to open a file that was not found. | 23:38 |
| derf | And didn't, you know, bother to check the error code. | 23:38 |
| Pupnik | hmm the preceeding call was gettimeofday({1175895054, 914276}, NULL) = 0 | 23:39 |
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| soothsay | Anyone know how to bridge a wireless connection to a wired one in Linux? | 23:40 |
| derf | Presumably you're looking for a preceding open(). | 23:40 |
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| Pupnik | dosbox bin and stripped-down config file http://ln-s.net/O26 | 23:42 |
| Pupnik | thanks daniels, derf... | 23:42 |
| Pupnik | derf, the same version running in sbox also has similar mmap calls but doesn't crash | 23:43 |
| Pupnik | old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40002000 | 23:43 |
| daniels | right, but note the slightly different size | 23:43 |
| daniels | 4096 vs. 16781312 | 23:43 |
| Pupnik | hmm, the dosbox conf is set to emulate a 16MB machine | 23:44 |
| derf | Oh, wait, MAP_ANONYMOUS is in there. So it's not using the fd. | 23:46 |
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| Pupnik | hah dosbox running :D | 23:47 |
| Pupnik | disabled ems, xms, umb, set mem size to 1MB | 23:47 |
| bill20r3 | give it here, mister. | 23:47 |
| * Pupnik takes a picture | 23:48 | |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: http://ln-s.net/O26 | 23:48 |
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| bill20r3 | says it cant find libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 | 23:51 |
| Pupnik | oh that's an older build | 23:51 |
| Pupnik | bill20r3: what kind of nokia are you running? | 23:52 |
| bill20r3 | N800 | 23:52 |
| bill20r3 | I dont have the very latest update, but one prior. | 23:52 |
| Pupnik | i started pulling out the networking requirements | 23:53 |
| Pupnik | but that broke the build | 23:53 |
| Pupnik | will fix that soon - trying to find what's causing the crashes now | 23:54 |
| bill20r3 | maybe I can symlink to whatever libsdl version I *do* have. | 23:55 |
| Pupnik | you going to be around for a while? | 23:56 |
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| bill20r3 | an hour or two | 23:56 |
| Pupnik | ok i'll see what i can do | 23:57 |
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| bill20r3 | looks like I dont have any version of libSDL_net at all. | 23:59 |
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