| florian | pillar: yes, right - the ARM environment is menat to run on the device (but everything is expected to run in the sdk as well, the emulation is good) | 00:02 |
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| pillar | florian: right, I thought the i386 was for the emulation. So, there are a bunch of different arm cputransp: 0.7.0-sb2, 0.8.0-m2, 0.8.0.-sb2 and 0.8.1-sb2, the install help doesn't seem to tell which one should I choose for n800 developing | 00:06 |
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| qgil | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38632 | 00:06 |
| qgil | " An upcoming port of Skype is rumoured on N800 circles" | 00:07 |
| qgil | "rumoured" = official joint press release Nokia & Skye during the biggest consumer electronics event in the world :) | 00:07 |
| pillar | qgil: heh :) | 00:08 |
| qgil | "If I had to ask the Nokia hardware engineers for something, it would be two things: first the device is screaming for an IR port." - is this something people in general is really missing? | 00:09 |
| mikemorrison | excellent! will skype have video support ? | 00:09 |
| florian | qgil: heh | 00:09 |
| shackan | wtf, an IR port? | 00:10 |
| pillar | I haven't missed an IR port at all | 00:10 |
| shackan | the only use for that would be to use the n800 as you tv remote | 00:10 |
| glass | ir port huh? | 00:10 |
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| florian | qgil: I don't think that it would be that important in general... even if I would be quite happy to have one. | 00:10 |
| * Tak votes against IR | 00:10 | |
| suihkulokki | I guess they mean IR port as in "universal remote" rather than "IRDA" | 00:11 |
| glass | maybe if someone stubborringly stays away from using bt or buying a bt dongle.. | 00:11 |
| florian | right | 00:11 |
| glass | ah | 00:11 |
| florian | in fact that would meet the product idea way more than having ir for data transfer | 00:11 |
| mikemorrison | what about changing the channel of tv's in pubs though! | 00:12 |
| shackan | oh, because you go to pubs to watch tv, yeah :P | 00:12 |
| glass | i used a tungsten palm as remote controller briefly | 00:12 |
| pillar | okay, as a remote it would be kind of cool, but just for data stuff, it's not needed | 00:13 |
| mikemorrison | shackan: no, i'd probably use it to turn the tv's off! but that's pretty much the only thing i've ever heard people use IR for on their pda's | 00:13 |
| qgil | "Google Internet Tablet", the writer got really excited with the N800 :) | 00:14 |
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| daniels | qgil: i think people see the n800 and think cheap touchscreen remote | 00:16 |
| daniels | i don't see why you'd use anything other than wifi or bluetooth for that, aiming it right would be a pain in the arse | 00:16 |
| glass | normal tv's or amps or dvd players don't have bt/wifi.. | 00:17 |
| glass | controlling winamp over the wifi from 770 is wonderful though | 00:17 |
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| daniels | hmm, not such a good article. if the entire selling point of the n800 was 'read the inquirer on the go', there's no way in hell i'd ever buy one. | 00:18 |
| daniels | 'According to forum posts, you can also use a Bluetooth keyboard like this one from Stowaway which reportedly works.' | 00:18 |
| daniels | you'd think the 'bluetooth keyboard' control panel applet would be somewhat of a giveaway ... | 00:18 |
| daniels | god. 'the ugly' is lack of seamonkey, openoffice.org, palm emulation, and java. wtf? | 00:20 |
| qgil | daniels, I agree it's not a pulitzer but he is making jokes within the lines (and identifying them as jokes) - don't be too hard | 00:20 |
| qgil | we should have a more visible guide to make screenshots and screencasts, though :) | 00:21 |
| pillar | the article is obviously not targeted to those that already know and enjoy the n800 | 00:21 |
| daniels | qgil: i'm hard on the inquirer by default ;) | 00:21 |
| qgil | ok, then I won't stop your therapy ;) | 00:21 |
| glass | of course it would be nice if it could run oo | 00:22 |
| glass | those 2500$+ sony umpc's can | 00:22 |
| daniels | qgil: shouldn't you be in bed? you seem to get into work about the same time as i go to sleep | 00:23 |
| qgil | glass, those expensive toys haven't 1,204 x 600 display, or similar? | 00:24 |
| glass | dunno, they're too expensive for me | 00:24 |
| Pupnik | netrek for nokia 770 snapshot | 00:24 |
| Pupnik | http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3199/netrekcownokia7701wu3.png | 00:24 |
| qgil | I'll leave the processor to daniels, but then how tko & co will make OOo fit in 800x480 without getting rid of the dozens of icons? ;) | 00:25 |
| qgil | daniels, yes, I should be sleeping | 00:25 |
| daniels | well, given how long oo.o takes to start on my amd64 machines, i'd fear it on omap .. | 00:25 |
| glass | qgil: that's besides the point that it would be nice if it could run it(which would need more cpu and perhaps bigger screen and other stuff) | 00:25 |
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| qgil | right, after giving some more www.gnome.org love, now it's time for me to zzzzzz | 00:28 |
| qgil | a pleasure to be here, as usual - night! | 00:28 |
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| Pupnik | what's an alternative to pastebin? it's borked | 00:30 |
| glass | http://www.google.com/search?q=pastebin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:fi:official&client=firefox-a | 00:31 |
| glass | there's literally dozens and dozens of them | 00:31 |
| Pupnik | thx they seem to be non-evil (popups) | 00:32 |
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| pillar | hmm, now I got the SDK_ARMEL setup correctly, but when I try again fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit, it just says it couldn't find a package maemo-explicit?? | 00:44 |
| Pupnik | new pic of netrek | 00:46 |
| Pupnik | http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netrekcownokia7712vu6.png | 00:46 |
| mk8 | Night to all, bye. | 00:46 |
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| Pupnik | hi pillar | 00:53 |
| pillar | Pupnik: hi | 00:53 |
| Pupnik | i have no maemo-explicit visible in apt-cache search | 00:53 |
| pillar | hmm, I wonder why then it is mentioned in the install as something that has to be done | 00:55 |
| pillar | it is found for the SDK_X86, though | 00:56 |
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| qos | hey guys ... i am currently compiling a new kernel for the nokia n800 with mppe support. but the zImage which gets created, does my device not boot anymore. is there a kernel king here? | 01:25 |
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| qos | i used the newest scratchbox with the newest sdk 3.1 ... | 01:28 |
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| Pupnik | keine ahnung qos, 770 hier | 01:38 |
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| unique311 | i need flash cards for granule | 01:54 |
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| qos_ | Pupnik, bitte was? | 01:55 |
| Pupnik | habe hier kein 800 | 01:55 |
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| qos_ | Pupnik, kennst du dich denn mit dem Kernel - Kompilieren aus? | 02:04 |
| Pupnik | noch nie gemacht | 02:04 |
| Pupnik | habe aber mit dem flasher mal nen kernel draufgespielt | 02:04 |
| qos_ | das ist schlecht | 02:04 |
| qos_ | das mache ich ständig ... aber keiner meiner eigen kernel lässt das gerät dann noch starten, außer der original kernel | 02:05 |
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| acydlord | ubuntu is making me want to punch babies | 03:14 |
| daniels | that's probably not healthy | 03:15 |
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| Toma- | im trying to install scratchbox but its hanging on running sb-menu | 03:40 |
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| Pupnik | Toma-: haven't seen that issue before, what is your host OS? | 03:46 |
| Toma- | Ubuntu | 03:46 |
| Toma- | ive got sbox in my group | 03:46 |
| Toma- | this might have something to do with it "bash: cd: /home/toma: No such file or directory" | 03:47 |
| Pupnik | there is a problem with some ubuntu kernels | 03:47 |
| Toma- | its not feisty | 03:47 |
| Pupnik | im' on debian sid here... no ideas offhand but let me think about it a bit | 03:47 |
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| Pupnik | you ran the /scratchbox/login script? | 03:48 |
| Toma- | yeh | 03:49 |
| Pupnik | and after running that you got the home/toma error? | 03:51 |
| Toma- | yep. and then an sb terminal | 03:51 |
| Pupnik | you should have something like a /scratchbox/users/toma/home/toma directory | 03:52 |
| Toma- | oh theres no /scratchbox/users/toma/home dir | 03:53 |
| Toma- | ill make one! | 03:53 |
| Pupnik | not manually i think | 03:53 |
| Toma- | :D | 03:53 |
| Toma- | great. it works | 03:53 |
| Pupnik | oh nice | 03:53 |
| Pupnik | i forgot but i thought there was an adduser step in there | 03:54 |
| Toma- | i have no toolchain packages installed tho... | 03:55 |
| Pupnik | sb-menu will lead you through that | 03:55 |
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| Toma- | bah. somethings wrong everything is erroring :( | 03:56 |
| Pupnik | you should be working from a recent scratchbox howto (> 1.x) not a 0.9 | 03:57 |
| Pupnik | if you are using ubuntu debs | 03:57 |
| Toma- | http://linuxtodo.chipx86.com/wiki/Scratchbox_1.0_and_Maemo_Installation | 03:57 |
| Toma- | and the version is 1.0.7 | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | definitive references here http://scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/ | 03:59 |
| Toma- | bah. im giving up | 03:59 |
| Toma- | yeh i looked there too :( | 03:59 |
| Toma- | thanks for the help :) | 03:59 |
| Pupnik | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser <username> | 04:00 |
| Pupnik | like i said, i'm not sure just creating the user in scratchbox is a good thing | 04:00 |
| Pupnik | i mean the userdir | 04:00 |
| Pupnik | but i only installed scratchbox once, so i'm really not remembering what i did so well | 04:00 |
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| Toma- | yeh i ran that | 04:01 |
| Toma- | went fine. | 04:01 |
| Toma- | thanks! | 04:02 |
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| Pupnik | hrm i need to install 5x7 fonts into scratchbox | 04:16 |
| Pupnik | ok found the package xfonts-base: usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/5x7-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz | 04:21 |
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| Pupnik | maybe i shouldn't make this depend on xfonts-base and xfonts-utils though | 04:35 |
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| Pupnik | ok, how to include a small font in a package and get a program to use it, though it's not installed in the X fonts dir | 04:39 |
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| daniels | Pupnik: er, if it needs core fonts, you're screwed | 04:45 |
| daniels | Pupnik: the server as shipped with the 770/n800 has no support for fonts that aren't built in | 04:45 |
| daniels | client-side fonts are the way | 04:46 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks daniels | 04:46 |
| Pupnik | any thoughts on how i can get fonts this small? | 04:46 |
| daniels | np | 04:46 |
| Pupnik | http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netrekcownokia7712vu6.png | 04:46 |
| daniels | Pupnik: you'll need client-side fonts somehow | 04:46 |
| Pupnik | ow | 04:47 |
| daniels | yeah | 04:47 |
| Pupnik | well normal people couldn't read them anyway | 04:47 |
| Pupnik | but i can :) | 04:48 |
| Pupnik | i'll try to work up a ttf solution | 04:48 |
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| Pupnik | i've got the server selection screen running now with something that looks like a 6x10 size font | 05:03 |
| Pupnik | so i'll try to make a layout for that | 05:03 |
| Pupnik | the fonts are in /usr/share/fonts? | 05:05 |
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| Pupnik | IT WORKS! | 06:48 |
| Pupnik | \o/ | 06:49 |
| Pupnik | playing netrek on n770 now | 06:54 |
| Pupnik | all i need now is to set fullscreen | 06:54 |
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| PupnikEtoH | Netrek http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5588 | 07:52 |
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| inz | mgedmin, autoreconf -i should do it | 08:08 |
| inz | oops, he's not here | 08:08 |
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| unique311 | hellos | 08:28 |
| PupnikEtoH | hi unique311 | 08:34 |
| unique311 | my backgound wallpaper keeps dissapearing evertime i install a new program or update it | 08:35 |
| unique311 | n800 issue | 08:35 |
| unique311 | nothing major but really sucks | 08:35 |
| PupnikEtoH | does the image on the flash get erased also? | 08:36 |
| PupnikEtoH | the file? | 08:36 |
| unique311 | no | 08:36 |
| unique311 | i just have to go to the bacground setup and press ok for it to add the image.. | 08:36 |
| PupnikEtoH | that's odd | 08:37 |
| unique311 | very | 08:38 |
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| mikemorrisonn800 | that happens to me as well. i dont know if it is limited to updating though. | 08:50 |
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| konttori | morning! | 10:40 |
| PupnikEtoH | hi konttori | 10:40 |
| PupnikEtoH | i forgot what apps you make | 10:40 |
| konttori | UK Media Player , Media Converter, Theme Maker | 10:41 |
| PupnikEtoH | cool, i have to try the first two but i love that theme maker | 10:43 |
| konttori | cool. nice to hear that. | 10:43 |
| PupnikEtoH | i just got netrek running on the 770 and i'm totally high | 10:43 |
| konttori | uk MP is really terrific. You'll need python (2.5 or 2.4) on your device first | 10:43 |
| konttori | ahh... congrats! | 10:44 |
| konttori | Someone was doing the same thing yesterday. Did you combine efforts? | 10:44 |
| PupnikEtoH | no that was me, i've been up all night | 10:44 |
| PupnikEtoH | very clueless about X11 apps and maemo in particular, but it's been so fun... :) | 10:45 |
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| konttori | oh. cool. Saw screenshots in the evening. Looks cool. I suppose it's running at pretty nice speeds | 10:46 |
| Pupnik | Oh yeah, as fast as on PC | 10:46 |
| Pupnik | Had to use bigger fonts, but that's a good thing since 5x7 is pretty small at 200dpi :) | 10:47 |
| Pupnik | Mucking with fullscreen and 'hildony' stuff now | 10:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
| konttori_ | morning | 11:07 |
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| keesj | Hi | 11:08 |
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| Appears | Hi, again I got some question :) in the flasher section in maemo , is described, by the serial port list,(I mean that yellow/golden things next to the battery, by the nokia 770), so there are not all Ports described...have someone, a complete list off the Ports? | 11:12 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:17 |
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| Appears | hi sabturzio | 11:20 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:26 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:47 |
| guru3 | good morning | 11:48 |
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| Appears | have anyone a complete port list from the nokia 770 ? I mean that ports, which you can activate per flashing... | 11:49 |
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| zuh | Appears: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17994 | 12:12 |
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| civodul | Hello! | 12:16 |
| civodul | I'd like to cross-compile (in Scratchbox) an autotoolified app that uses `libcomerr' | 12:16 |
| civodul | its `configure' uses `pkg-config' to look for `com_err.pc' | 12:16 |
| civodul | however, the archive at `repository.meamo.org' doesn't have, e.g., `comerr-dev' | 12:17 |
| civodul | any hint? | 12:17 |
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| civodul | IOW, where are the `-dev' packages corresponding to the binary packages available in, say, `gregale'? | 12:21 |
| Appears | thx zuh :) | 12:23 |
| inz | civodul, doesn't seem to be there. =/ | 12:35 |
| inz | civodul, dunno if it comes out if you recompile e2fsprogs... | 12:36 |
| civodul | inz: yeah, so the issue is that that particular package, `comerr-dev', is missing | 12:36 |
| civodul | inz: well | 12:36 |
| civodul | inz: I'll see | 12:36 |
| civodul | is the following a "known bug": | 12:40 |
| civodul | Setting up dpkg (1.13.13.osso6.1) ... | 12:40 |
| civodul | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Operation not permitted | 12:40 |
| kulve | fakeroot dpkg -i ... | 12:43 |
| civodul | hmm | 12:45 |
| kulve | or fakeroot apt-get ... if using it | 12:46 |
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| philn | hello | 14:01 |
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| philn | when trying to run a gst-python app i get this: python[1008]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - gst_base_src_init: assertion `pad_template != NULL' failed | 14:05 |
| philn | i created my source element, inheriting from BaseSrc .. I have a PadTemplate __gsttemplates__ | 14:06 |
| philn | +in | 14:06 |
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| civodul | Any idea why `dpkg-source' complains as follows? | 14:44 |
| civodul | unable to get login information for username "lcourtes" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-sarge/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 59. | 14:44 |
| civodul | (sorry for newbie questions...) | 14:45 |
| suihkulokki | civodul: because you selected the "debian-sarge" devkit. dont. | 14:46 |
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| jku | any soc mentors around? I noticed Quim listed my application (geoclue) under heading "With mentorship requests" -- what does this actually mean? | 15:32 |
| jku | Anything I can help with? | 15:32 |
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| muzzydk_ | The chess game that comes with the nokia N800 is very buggy, but yet there are no bugs reported here: http://tinyurl.com/2k5up2 ? Wrong URL? | 16:19 |
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| Tak | maybe nobody plays it | 16:20 |
| Tak | I don't :-P | 16:20 |
| muzzydk_ | Certainly no-one has ever beaten it, not even the developers it seems.... | 16:21 |
| muzzydk_ | If you beat the computer at chess, it throws a hissy fit and you have to reboot the whole OS before it will let you play another game! | 16:21 |
| daniels | haha | 16:22 |
| muzzydk_ | It also declares itself the winner sometimes after you checkmate it! | 16:22 |
| daniels | sounds quite vengeful | 16:24 |
| muzzydk_ | yeah, I am not the best loser, but the N800 is a terrible sport! | 16:24 |
| Tak | rofl | 16:24 |
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| muzzydk_ | I have also had it conveniently 'crash' a few times when I was in a winning position.... hmmmm | 16:25 |
| muzzydk_ | i noticed it never crashes when it is winning | 16:26 |
| c0ffee | you have to admit that this is much easier to test... | 16:26 |
| muzzydk_ | it's actually pretty difficult to beat the compueter, even on the easiest setting. | 16:27 |
| inz | gnuchess is just too good ;) | 16:27 |
| Tak | hmm - whoever wrote the inquirer article got google docs to run on his n800 (minimo, I guess) | 16:28 |
| inz | If you want a chess AI that was easy to beat, you should make it make obvious mistakes | 16:28 |
| inz | Which gnuchess doesn't do | 16:28 |
| daniels | Tak: yeah, he says it's using minimo | 16:29 |
| elpaso | Hello everybody, I need some help with inlinemath | 16:30 |
| elpaso | ...I'm trying the new devkit | 16:31 |
| muzzydk_ | i'll create a bug report for on one of the bugs with the chess program and see if anything happens | 16:34 |
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| qos | any kernel junkees out there? | 16:47 |
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| keesj | junkees? | 17:18 |
| keesj | jankees? | 17:18 |
| Tak|work | phunk junkeez are in da house! | 17:19 |
| qos | what the hell is phunk? | 17:20 |
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| zuh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phunk_Junkeez | 17:38 |
| zuh | What wikipedia doesn't know, doesn't exist | 17:39 |
| zuh | ;) | 17:39 |
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| qos | god hell, i NEED kernel junkees ... ;) | 17:39 |
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| civodul | suihkulokki: I'm not using the `debian-sarge' devkit, as evidenced by `sb-conf show --devkits' | 17:42 |
| civodul | suihkulokki: still, explicitly invoking /scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin/dpkg-source yields the following error: | 17:43 |
| civodul | unable to get login information for username "lcourtes" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-sarge/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 59. | 17:43 |
| civodul | there must be some dangling environment var or some such pointing to `debian-sarge'? | 17:43 |
| qos | civodul, what are you talking about? sounds familiar ... | 17:44 |
| civodul | qos: I'm trying to `apt-get source' and `dpkg-source' fails as shown above | 17:44 |
| qos | me 2 ... u are trying to compile a kernel? | 17:45 |
| civodul | qos: suihkulokki suggested that this was due to my using the `debian-sarge' devkit, which doesn't appear to be the case | 17:45 |
| civodul | qos: no | 17:45 |
| qos | civodul, so... ? | 17:45 |
| suihkulokki | civodul: it IS the case, but feel free not to believe me.. | 17:46 |
| civodul | suihkulokki: then I must be missing something. `sb-conf show' tells me I'm not. | 17:47 |
| qos | suihkulokki, i am trying to "apt-get source kernel-source-rx-34" what makes no problems, but it ends up with "dpkg-source not found ... is dpkg-dev installed" | 17:48 |
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| civodul | oops ;-) | 17:48 |
| qos | civodul, where is he gone? | 17:49 |
| civodul | qos: maybe he got tired of our requests ;-) | 17:50 |
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| qos | civodul, is dpkg-source in your scratchbox? | 17:54 |
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| civodul | qos: yes it is | 17:56 |
| Pupnik_ | to coin a phrase; "I'm not a programmer, i just play one on my resume." | 17:57 |
| qos | good, why? its missing in mine | 17:57 |
| civodul | qos: alright, as any good programmer should know (I didn't), one shouldn't install libc when creating the target in `sb-menu'; `dpkg-source' works fine now | 17:59 |
| civodul | i.e., the "unable to get login information for username" is gone | 18:00 |
| qos | civodul, ;) thx. how do i do this? | 18:01 |
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| zuh | 'sb-conf in -c' | 18:02 |
| zuh | ...but for maemo you should use the one in the rootfs I think | 18:03 |
| civodul | zuh: cp: cannot overwrite non-directory `/targets/armel-n770-maemo-2.2/usr/include/asm/arch' with directory `/scratchbox/compilers/arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004/include/asm/arch' | 18:03 |
| zuh | non-fatal | 18:04 |
| keesj | civodul: are you by any chance trying to install on a busybox based system? | 18:04 |
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| civodul | keesj: nope | 18:04 |
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| qos | zuh, nice hint to use the external one | 18:05 |
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| unique311 | anyone know the status of gimp for maemo...looks like a dead project | 18:21 |
| keesj | who needs gimp if there is tuxpaint and horizon | 18:22 |
| unique311 | are you serious | 18:22 |
| unique311 | horizon won't install on n800 | 18:23 |
| keesj | well do no see how gimp could be used on maemo | 18:23 |
| unique311 | or work | 18:23 |
| unique311 | touch screen | 18:23 |
| keesj | with all the windows I mean | 18:23 |
| unique311 | gimp would be a nice add... | 18:23 |
| unique311 | for artist out there | 18:23 |
| unique311 | ya | 18:23 |
| unique311 | true lots of windows | 18:23 |
| keesj | perhaps you can try ask the pixel developer for a n800 version? | 18:24 |
| unique311 | pixel dev | 18:24 |
| keesj | http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 he is not eivel | 18:25 |
| unique311 | does he own a n800 or 770 | 18:25 |
| zuh | I think a graphic tool for maemo needs to be a bit more defined in functionality than simply "what gimp does" :) | 18:25 |
| unique311 | vspainter | 18:26 |
| unique311 | i use it on my sprint ppc6700 | 18:26 |
| keesj | there are also ajax based progams :) | 18:26 |
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| * bipolar wonders what kind of progress kkito is making | 18:29 | |
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| keesj | yet , and if krita is running? | 18:29 |
| keesj | yet = yes | 18:29 |
| bipolar | keesj: kontact is the killer app for me. :) | 18:30 |
| bipolar | frankly, I'd like to see an entire mini-kde distro for the n800... | 18:30 |
| keesj | kde and amarok for me | 18:31 |
| qos | hurrra, ... i ve created a PPTP tunnel with my n800 ;) | 18:31 |
| bipolar | amarok... would be great | 18:32 |
| unique311 | I don't think the n800 is tha popular..i saw one other person with it in the city since i purchased it... | 18:32 |
| keesj | I also saw one at FOSDEM | 18:33 |
| bipolar | 5 people in the local lug have them | 18:33 |
| unique311 | anyone from NYC? | 18:34 |
| bipolar | I don't know anyone in NYC... personaly, If I was in NYC I wouldn't carry it around where people could see it :P | 18:34 |
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| unique311 | we should have a n800/770 meet..over frappachinos at starbucks..and use the wifi, that i was under the impression was free, but found out it wasn't... | 18:35 |
| bipolar | unique311: nothing is free at starbucks.... | 18:35 |
| unique311 | yep | 18:35 |
| bipolar | but if you get bad service at one, at least you have the option to try the service at the one across the street. | 18:36 |
| unique311 | alot of access points in NYC | 18:36 |
| unique311 | but all require you to register.. | 18:36 |
| keesj | I don't know what my next gadgets will be , I like the psp look the "DS" linux feeling, the openmoko stuff | 18:37 |
| unique311 | umpc for me... | 18:37 |
| bipolar | keesj: I would probbly have an openmoko if it had wifi | 18:38 |
| keesj | does it have bluetooth? | 18:38 |
| keesj | the maemo series is just great when it comes to connectivity and screen. when I take that into account I still don't see nice alternatives | 18:40 |
| Tak|work | openmoko would be great if I didn't have to change providers.. | 18:41 |
| keesj | I am so unhappy with my current one, and stil have to way at least 1.5 year before I can change :( | 18:42 |
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| bipolar | keesj: yes, the openmoko has bluetooth | 18:44 |
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| * Pupnik will not buy another PDA or portable gaming device for a loooong time | 18:55 | |
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| maemo | hi | 18:56 |
| Pupnik | moo | 18:57 |
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| Pupnik | Pixel is not free software, if you like it and want to support its development, you may consider Purchasing a copy. | 18:59 |
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| unique311 | gimp is free | 19:04 |
| unique311 | i like free | 19:04 |
| Pupnik | The gimp developers would need to create a version for tablets | 19:04 |
| unique311 | so touch screen is not supported by gimp | 19:05 |
| unique311 | ok | 19:05 |
| Pupnik | Well i've used gimp with a wacom tablet | 19:05 |
| unique311 | i found another software that for the zaurus but the author never emailed me.. | 19:05 |
| unique311 | same | 19:05 |
| Pupnik | and it's pretty important to be able to move the stylus around the screen without a click to draw | 19:05 |
| unique311 | i used my graphire 4 with gimp- | 19:05 |
| unique311 | but touch screen is so much better....i output better work on my phone than i do on my graphire.. | 19:06 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 19:06 |
| Pupnik | also the drawing app needs to be lightweight and fast | 19:07 |
| Pupnik | to keep up with the sketching stylus | 19:07 |
| Tak|work | wasn't somebody working on a project to use an IT as a wacomlike tablet input device? | 19:07 |
| Pupnik | a gimp airbrush would be too slow | 19:07 |
| unique311 | you checked out vspainter pupnik? | 19:07 |
| Pupnik | not yet | 19:07 |
| unique311 | check it out | 19:07 |
| unique311 | if you have a pocketpc phone | 19:08 |
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| Pupnik | heh | 19:08 |
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| unique311 | hola mister mediacenter | 19:13 |
| kender | hey, unique311 hola! | 19:15 |
| unique311 | konttori your media player requires python 2.4 ? | 19:15 |
| kender | unique311, me alegra ver a alguien que hable castellano por aquí | 19:15 |
| unique311 | hello kender | 19:15 |
| unique311 | oh man. dude..i don't speak that much spanish... | 19:15 |
| kender | hehe | 19:16 |
| unique311 | i feel terrible. | 19:16 |
| unique311 | i hope i didn't offend you.. | 19:16 |
| kender | don't worry! | 19:16 |
| Pupnik | LMAO! 770 robot! http://www.ringnokia.com/2006/12/nokia_770_used_.html | 19:16 |
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| Tak|work | ninguien habla castellano por aqui | 19:17 |
| kender | Tak, :) | 19:17 |
| pekkis | Does anyone run hackers edition image ? | 19:17 |
| kender | *s/ninguien/nadie/ :) | 19:17 |
| unique311 | whats castellsano? | 19:18 |
| Tak|work | thanks | 19:18 |
| kender | spanish | 19:18 |
| Tak|work | obviously I *don't* speak spanish :-P | 19:18 |
| kender | spanish = español | 19:18 |
| kender | español = castellano | 19:18 |
| kender | Tak|work, yeah :D | 19:19 |
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| konttori | unique: 2.4 or 2.5. | 19:23 |
| unique311 | 2.5 | 19:23 |
| unique311 | but i'm still having issues with certain tracks crashing it | 19:23 |
| unique311 | when it crashes, i look in mpv and there's 3 processes running of it... | 19:24 |
| konttori | unique311: ahh... interesting | 19:25 |
| konttori | what are those processes? | 19:25 |
| unique311 | mediacenter or player | 19:25 |
| unique311 | hold on | 19:26 |
| konttori | cool. I'll have to investigate that further. | 19:26 |
| konttori | what's the list processes command in maemo? | 19:26 |
| bill20r3 | you mean 'ps' ? | 19:26 |
| konttori | yeah | 19:26 |
| konttori | thanks! | 19:26 |
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| * konttori is linux n00b | 19:27 | |
| konttori | I would | 19:27 |
| unique311 | konttori | 19:27 |
| konttori | really like to know what crashes it | 19:27 |
| unique311 | i just started mediacenter... | 19:27 |
| konttori | it's probably related to the gstreamer calls. | 19:27 |
| unique311 | i look in mpv and it show 3 processes running of it.. | 19:27 |
| unique311 | but the mediacenter doenst start | 19:28 |
| konttori | what's mpv? | 19:28 |
| unique311 | memo process viewer | 19:28 |
| konttori | Perhaps you need to kill those processes ? | 19:28 |
| unique311 | its a gui for ps | 19:28 |
| unique311 | ii gues | 19:28 |
| konttori | I mean, if there are lingering processes from the last crash | 19:28 |
| konttori | ahh.. cool. I'll have to dl it | 19:29 |
| unique311 | i did | 19:29 |
| konttori | Hmm.. perhaps gstreamer is jammed | 19:29 |
| unique311 | mediaplayer-eng a process also | 19:29 |
| unique311 | i see 2 process running of mediaplayer-eng | 19:30 |
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| unique311 | i have to restart it in order to be able to run your mediacenter again... | 19:32 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 19:33 |
| konttori | Yeah, I have the same thing. | 19:33 |
| konttori | When it crashes, I have to restart the device | 19:33 |
| unique311 | ok | 19:33 |
| konttori | I would definately seem that crashing is not very nice in any circumstances, and I hate it that I have to reboot the device. I just haven't yet figured out why it actually happens | 19:35 |
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| konttori | I can't find mpv | 19:40 |
| konttori | Is it in the apps catalog? | 19:40 |
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| unique311 | not sure | 19:48 |
| unique311 | hold on | 19:48 |
| unique311 | i think its a mistral app | 19:48 |
| unique311 | konttori | 19:49 |
| unique311 | http://newlc.com/Maemo-Process-Viewer.html | 19:49 |
| unique311 | here it is | 19:49 |
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| unique311 | Maemo Process Viewer (NEW) | 19:51 |
| unique311 | Download: v0.5 http://www.newlc.com/IMG/deb/mpv_0.5_armel.deb | 19:51 |
| unique311 | Home Page: http://www.newlc.com/Maemo-Process-Viewer.html | 19:51 |
| unique311 | Distribution: Mistral | 19:51 |
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| konttori | cool. got it! | 19:52 |
| konttori | it's not opening though. | 19:53 |
| unique311 | it will | 19:53 |
| konttori | perhaps it's not N800 copliant | 19:54 |
| unique311 | it should | 19:54 |
| unique311 | it is | 19:54 |
| konttori | nope, didn't open on my n800 | 19:54 |
| unique311 | im using it on n800 | 19:54 |
| konttori | latest version? | 19:54 |
| konttori | of firmware | 19:54 |
| unique311 | yes | 19:54 |
| konttori | I'll reboot and try again | 19:54 |
| bipolar | Since the SDK for 3.1 was released, is there an updated kernel with HCSD card support yet? | 19:54 |
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| kulve | bipolar: yes | 19:55 |
| bipolar | kulve: um, where? :) | 19:56 |
| * bipolar can't find it | 19:56 | |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009368.html | 19:56 |
| konttori | mpv loading .... and nothing | 19:57 |
| bipolar | kulve: thanks! | 19:57 |
| kulve | bipolar: remember to read the disclaimer :) | 19:57 |
| konttori | ahh... error loading shared libraries | 19:57 |
| bipolar | kulve: oh, of course :) | 19:57 |
| konttori | libXau.so.0 | 19:57 |
| konttori | I just love dependencies | 19:57 |
| kulve | that's why there should be proper repositories.. | 19:58 |
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| konttori | indeed. | 19:58 |
| bipolar | kulve: I've noticed that the repos are kind of broken.... | 19:59 |
| unique311 | dependencies | 19:59 |
| unique311 | working now konttori? | 19:59 |
| kulve | bipolar: broken? | 19:59 |
| bipolar | kulve: apt-get upgrade failing on missing deps, packages having conflicting files, etc | 20:00 |
| kulve | use debian stable. That works :) | 20:00 |
| kulve | maemo folks seems not be that picky about "minor" problems.. | 20:01 |
| bipolar | kulve: heh... yeah. too bad they don't have a complete armel port :) | 20:01 |
| konttori | Nope. didn't work. | 20:01 |
| konttori | Well, I didn't download the lib. | 20:01 |
| konttori | don't know how to do it easily enough. Maybe apt-get would do the trick? | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | inz: autoreconf -i did the trick, thank | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | have you seen my patch for osso-xterm yet? | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | the one at http://maemo-hackers.org/ticket/34 ? | 20:03 |
| konttori | ok, my repos don't contain it | 20:03 |
| konttori | shame. looked pretty nice | 20:04 |
| unique311 | i was bored...... http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/IMAGE_00010.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/IMAGE_00011.jpg | 20:05 |
| unique311 | a little glue and lots of time on ur hands... | 20:05 |
| unique311 | a dremel also | 20:05 |
| unique311 | konttori the kernel repo should have the dependencie | 20:06 |
| konttori | unique311: looked nice. | 20:07 |
| unique311 | how would i go about checking where libxau is located | 20:07 |
| unique311 | 20:07 | |
| unique311 | lol | 20:07 |
| konttori | unique311: yeah! | 20:07 |
| kulve | libxau6: Installed: 1:1.0.0-3 | 20:08 |
| kulve | 500 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 20:08 |
| unique311 | cool | 20:08 |
| unique311 | libXau.so.0 | 20:09 |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5349&highlight=libxau0 | 20:09 |
| unique311 | konttori there ya go | 20:09 |
| unique311 | i sent ya a PM | 20:11 |
| unique311 | with the info | 20:11 |
| unique311 | check it out | 20:11 |
| konttori | damn. Should it work with apt-get install libXau.so.0? | 20:11 |
| unique311 | not sure | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | konttori: no | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | but it should work with apt-get install libxau6 | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | or whatever the package name is | 20:13 |
| konttori | ok. it tells me that I already have it | 20:13 |
| konttori | libxau6 is already the latest version | 20:13 |
| juho | konttori: when are you going to arrange naming contest for your UK-MP? present name is fairly horrible :D | 20:15 |
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| unique311 | working now konttori | 20:25 |
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| konttori | Back!! | 20:58 |
| konttori | juho: it is horrible. Do you have recommendations? | 20:58 |
| konttori | I was kinda thinking of naming it once I get the playlist things working on it | 20:59 |
| unique311 | u got mpv to work | 20:59 |
| unique311 | ? | 20:59 |
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| konttori | nope | 21:00 |
| konttori | I have the libxau6 installed, but the mpv needs something else | 21:00 |
| konttori | it's still complaining about the libxau, though. | 21:01 |
| konttori | I think I'll test the task manager | 21:03 |
| zuh | konttori: try libxau0 | 21:04 |
| zuh | That is a mistral package thi | 21:04 |
| zuh | tho | 21:05 |
| konttori | zuh: thanks! it worked | 21:05 |
| konttori | mpv works now as well | 21:05 |
| konttori | thanks unique311 , zuh | 21:06 |
| unique311 | cool | 21:07 |
| jamey | I think we need to fix the python packages to be more consistent with mainstream debian. Packages that normally depend on python should not have to depend on python2.5-dev in order to work. | 21:17 |
| konttori | they can depend on python-runtime and python2.4 runtime. That should do the trick | 21:20 |
| konttori | But yeah, depending on just python would be much better | 21:21 |
| konttori | Anyway, packaging is quite a small thing in the end | 21:21 |
| konttori | I mean, to replace python with python-runtime | python2.4-runtime takes like 5 secs. | 21:22 |
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| jamey | konttori, if I already needed to edit the control file, it is a small thing. But I should not have needed to edit the control file at all. | 21:24 |
| jamey | and my experience has been that packaging actually turns out to be a big thing, because all these small things add up | 21:25 |
| melmoth | ca va | 21:26 |
| melmoth | oups | 21:26 |
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| jamey | no python2.4 for n800? | 21:26 |
| konttori | I would think that one needs to edit at least the secion information | 21:26 |
| konttori | there is python 2.4 | 21:26 |
| jamey | where? | 21:26 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 21:27 |
| konttori | I put together an install file for it | 21:27 |
| konttori | that works on 770 and N800. Which is always nice | 21:27 |
| konttori | So, your install instructions can have a two click instruction | 21:28 |
| jamey | two clicks for a dependence is two clicks too many | 21:29 |
| jamey | my instructions would have 32 clicks or so | 21:29 |
| jamey | just crazy | 21:29 |
| bill20r3 | anyone know off the top of thier head what driver/etc I need to use a bt keyboard on my N800? | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: none, if the keyboard supports the HID profile | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | go to the control panel and register it | 21:30 |
| bill20r3 | excellent, thanks. | 21:30 |
| bill20r3 | I just got my 'freedom mini duo' kb. | 21:33 |
| * bill20r3 trys it out. | 21:33 | |
| konttori | jamey. It's one click for the python install, and another for your apps install | 21:33 |
| konttori | It's not that much. And for people with python already, it's only one click | 21:34 |
| * konttori just added an icon for ukmp. | 21:36 | |
| konttori | festivities may begin ;) | 21:36 |
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| jamey | I do not know what is the point of apt-get if you have to click all the dependences one at a time | 21:42 |
| Tak|work | one click per repo, not per dependency | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | still a bit unpleasant | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | there should be only one repo | 21:43 |
| Tak|work | yeah, but most of the devs are too far apart to hold them all at gunpoint and make them deploy to the extras repo | 21:44 |
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| jamey | how does one deploy to the extras repo? | 21:44 |
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| jamey | found instructions | 21:45 |
| jamey | Tak|work, should not require gunpoint. Should be an honor! | 21:46 |
| bill20r3 | Hmm | 21:46 |
| Tak|work | heh | 21:47 |
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| bill20r3 | I wonder how/when I'm supposed to enter a passcode for this kb. | 21:50 |
| bill20r3 | anyone have guesses? | 21:51 |
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| mgedmin | depends on the kb, I think | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | is there any documentation? | 21:52 |
| bill20r3 | yeah, but it's not so great. | 21:52 |
| * bill20r3 re-reads | 21:52 | |
| mgedmin | I heard that on some bt kbs you're supposed to hold Fn while entering the numbers | 21:52 |
| melmoth | did you try entering a passphrase on the kb itself ? | 21:52 |
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| mgedmin | or maybe it is enough to just enter the numbers and press enter | 21:52 |
| bill20r3 | yeah, I tried that. | 21:53 |
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| qgil | jamey: agreed with the honor thing - In fact I believe that this honorific perception is improving and quickly | 22:00 |
| qgil | but then again I'm not packaging apps :) | 22:00 |
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| jamey | qgil, you too could be packaging apps! :) | 22:02 |
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| Tak|work | yeah qgil, when are we going to see some software from you? :-P | 22:03 |
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| keesj | :p | 22:05 |
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| jamey | Tak|work, anyway, thanks for the comment on contributing to extras. I have requested permission to be able to upload. | 22:06 |
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| chelli | hi, i hope that there is someone who can help me: i am trying to setup the maemo-sdk (with the script maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh), scratchbox, but "apt-get update" inside scratchbox fails because it can not resolv repository.maemo.org, the funny thing is, that wget repository.maemo.org works without any problems, does anyone have an idea? (Host System is Debian Etch) | 22:23 |
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| melmoth | hmm, double check /etc/resolv.conf ad /etc/nsswitch.conf . but i doubt it is this (otherwise wget would fail as well).... | 22:27 |
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| chelli | allready did this (nsswitch.conf says "hosts: files dns") | 22:28 |
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| jku | qgil, should I be worried since my soc proposal (geoclue) is in "With mentorship requests" -category? | 22:31 |
| jku | Or rather, is there something I should do? | 22:31 |
| Tak|work | didn't somebody mention the other day that there are two nsswitch.conf files lurking in scratchbox? | 22:31 |
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| chelli | Tak|work: thanks for the hint, there are indeed 2 files, /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and /scratchbox/etc/target_etc_base/nsswitch.conf), i changed /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf to "hosts: files dns" too, now apt-get update works | 22:35 |
| Tak|work | yay random memories! | 22:36 |
| qgil | back | 22:36 |
| qgil | Myself packaging and developing - yeah, probably the first thing I will learn when I'm a pensionist | 22:36 |
| qgil | jku, don't worry, the problem was that 2 people requested to mentor your project but now they have agreed that you will invite Henri Bergius to have beers in Espoo, or something like that :) | 22:37 |
| jku | Great. Thanks for clearing that up. | 22:38 |
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| * bipolar discovers R&D mode | 22:53 | |
| bipolar | interesting.... | 22:53 |
| bipolar | can I change the username that gets used? 'user' is kinda lame | 22:55 |
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| ||cw | bipolar: just edit the name in /etc/passwd | 22:59 |
| ||cw | the uid is the important part | 22:59 |
| Tak|work | I suspect that /home/user is rather essential as well | 22:59 |
| bipolar | ||cw: ahh... good point... | 23:00 |
| bipolar | Tak|work: I wonder if they fail to use $HOME in any scripts... | 23:00 |
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| MDK | daniels: ping | 23:02 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 23:09 |
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| daniels | MDK: pong | 23:15 |
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| Pupnik | daniels: thanks for the help, netrek running fine with a slightly larger font | 23:21 |
| daniels | Pupnik: np | 23:21 |
| Pupnik | got to do the hildony thing now | 23:22 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all. I have a little question on NumberEditor. On this widget I not found any event when the user change the numberic value. Seems to be a big usage limitation to be true .... | 23:28 |
| mk8 | can anyone help me? | 23:29 |
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| Pupnik | hi mk8 not ignoring you, just can't help | 23:36 |
| mk8 | no problem Pupnik, I'm new as maemo user, so I don't if here is the right place to make question like this | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | what ... is the NumberEditor? :) | 23:38 |
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| Pupnik | what ... is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? | 23:39 |
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| jonnylamb | Pupnik: african or european? | 23:59 |
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