IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-04-02

florianpillar: yes, right - the ARM environment is menat to run on the device (but everything is expected to run in the sdk as well, the emulation is good)00:02
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pillarflorian: right, I thought the i386 was for the emulation. So, there are a bunch of different arm cputransp: 0.7.0-sb2, 0.8.0-m2, 0.8.0.-sb2 and 0.8.1-sb2, the install help doesn't seem to tell which one should I choose for n800 developing00:06
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qgil" An upcoming port of Skype is rumoured on N800 circles"00:07
qgil"rumoured" = official joint press release Nokia & Skye during the biggest consumer electronics event in the world  :)00:07
pillarqgil: heh :)00:08
qgil"If I had to ask the Nokia hardware engineers for something, it would be two things: first the device is screaming for an IR port." - is this something people in general is really missing?00:09
mikemorrisonexcellent!  will skype have video support ?00:09
florianqgil: heh00:09
shackanwtf, an IR port?00:10
pillarI haven't missed an IR port at all00:10
shackanthe only use for that would be to use the n800 as you tv remote00:10
glassir port huh?00:10
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florianqgil: I don't think that it would be that important in general... even if I would be quite happy to have one.00:10
* Tak votes against IR00:10
suihkulokkiI guess they mean IR port as in "universal remote" rather than "IRDA"00:11
glassmaybe if someone stubborringly stays away from using bt or buying a bt dongle..00:11
florianin fact that would meet the product idea way more than having ir for data transfer00:11
mikemorrisonwhat about changing the channel of tv's in pubs though!00:12
shackanoh, because you go to pubs to watch tv, yeah :P00:12
glassi used a tungsten palm as remote controller briefly00:12
pillarokay, as a remote it would be kind of cool, but just for data stuff, it's not needed00:13
mikemorrisonshackan: no, i'd probably use it to turn the tv's off! but that's pretty much the only thing i've ever heard people use IR for on their pda's00:13
qgil"Google Internet Tablet", the writer got really excited with the N800  :)00:14
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danielsqgil: i think people see the n800 and think cheap touchscreen remote00:16
danielsi don't see why you'd use anything other than wifi or bluetooth for that, aiming it right would be a pain in the arse00:16
glassnormal tv's or amps or dvd players don't have bt/wifi..00:17
glasscontrolling winamp over the wifi from 770 is wonderful though00:17
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danielshmm, not such a good article.  if the entire selling point of the n800 was 'read the inquirer on the go', there's no way in hell i'd ever buy one.00:18
daniels'According to forum posts, you can also use a Bluetooth keyboard like this one from Stowaway which reportedly works.'00:18
danielsyou'd think the 'bluetooth keyboard' control panel applet would be somewhat of a giveaway ...00:18
danielsgod.  'the ugly' is lack of seamonkey,, palm emulation, and java.  wtf?00:20
qgildaniels, I agree it's not a pulitzer but he is making jokes within the lines (and identifying them as jokes) - don't be too hard00:20
qgilwe should have a more visible guide to make screenshots and screencasts, though  :)00:21
pillarthe article is obviously not targeted to those that already know and enjoy the n80000:21
danielsqgil: i'm hard on the inquirer by default ;)00:21
qgilok, then I won't stop your therapy  ;)00:21
glassof course it would be nice if it could run oo00:22
glassthose 2500$+ sony umpc's can00:22
danielsqgil: shouldn't you be in bed? you seem to get into work about the same time as i go to sleep00:23
qgilglass, those expensive toys haven't 1,204 x 600 display, or similar?00:24
glassdunno, they're too expensive for me00:24
Pupniknetrek for nokia 770 snapshot00:24
qgilI'll leave the processor to daniels, but then how tko & co will make OOo fit in 800x480 without getting rid of the dozens of icons? ;)00:25
qgildaniels, yes, I should be sleeping00:25
danielswell, given how long oo.o takes to start on my amd64 machines, i'd fear it on omap ..00:25
glassqgil: that's besides the point that it would be nice if it could run it(which would need more cpu and perhaps bigger screen and other stuff)00:25
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qgilright, after giving some more love, now it's time for me to zzzzzz00:28
qgila pleasure to be here, as usual - night!00:28
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Pupnikwhat's an alternative to pastebin?  it's borked00:30
glassthere's literally dozens and dozens of them00:31
Pupnikthx they seem to be non-evil (popups)00:32
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pillarhmm, now I got the SDK_ARMEL setup correctly, but when I try again fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit, it just says it couldn't find a package maemo-explicit??00:44
Pupniknew pic of netrek00:46
mk8Night to all, bye.00:46
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Pupnikhi pillar00:53
pillarPupnik: hi00:53
Pupniki have no maemo-explicit visible in apt-cache search00:53
pillarhmm, I wonder why then it is mentioned in the install as something that has to be done00:55
pillarit is found for the SDK_X86, though00:56
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qoshey guys ... i am currently compiling a new kernel for the nokia n800 with mppe support. but the zImage which gets created, does my device not boot anymore. is there a kernel king here?01:25
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qosi used the newest scratchbox with the newest sdk 3.1 ...01:28
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Pupnikkeine ahnung qos, 770 hier01:38
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unique311i need flash cards for granule01:54
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qos_Pupnik, bitte was?01:55
Pupnikhabe hier kein 80001:55
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qos_Pupnik, kennst du dich denn mit dem Kernel - Kompilieren aus?02:04
Pupniknoch nie gemacht02:04
Pupnikhabe aber mit dem flasher mal nen kernel draufgespielt02:04
qos_das ist schlecht02:04
qos_das mache ich ständig ... aber keiner meiner eigen kernel lässt das gerät dann noch starten, außer der original kernel02:05
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acydlordubuntu is making me want to punch babies03:14
danielsthat's probably not healthy03:15
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Toma-im trying to install scratchbox but its hanging on running sb-menu03:40
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PupnikToma-: haven't seen that issue before, what is your host OS?03:46
Toma-ive got sbox in my group03:46
Toma-this might have something to do with it "bash: cd: /home/toma: No such file or directory"03:47
Pupnikthere is a problem with some ubuntu kernels03:47
Toma-its not feisty03:47
Pupnikim' on debian sid here... no ideas offhand but let me think about it a bit03:47
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Pupnikyou ran the /scratchbox/login script?03:48
Pupnikand after running that you got the home/toma error?03:51
Toma-yep. and then an sb terminal03:51
Pupnikyou should have something like a /scratchbox/users/toma/home/toma directory03:52
Toma-oh theres no /scratchbox/users/toma/home dir03:53
Toma-ill make one!03:53
Pupniknot manually i think03:53
Toma-great. it works03:53
Pupnikoh nice03:53
Pupniki forgot but i thought there was an adduser step in there03:54
Toma-i have no toolchain packages installed tho...03:55
Pupniksb-menu will lead you through that03:55
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Toma-bah. somethings wrong everything is erroring :(03:56
Pupnikyou should be working from a recent scratchbox howto (> 1.x) not a 0.903:57
Pupnikif you are using ubuntu debs03:57
Toma-and the version is 1.0.703:58
Pupnikdefinitive references here
Toma-bah. im giving up03:59
Toma-yeh i looked there too :(03:59
Toma-thanks for the help :)03:59
Pupnik/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser <username>04:00
Pupniklike i said, i'm not sure just creating the user in scratchbox is a good thing04:00
Pupniki mean the userdir04:00
Pupnikbut i only installed scratchbox once, so i'm really not remembering what i did so well04:00
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Toma-yeh i ran that04:01
Toma-went fine.04:01
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Pupnikhrm i need to install 5x7 fonts into scratchbox04:16
Pupnikok found the package xfonts-base: usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/5x7-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz04:21
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Pupnikmaybe i shouldn't make this depend on xfonts-base and xfonts-utils though04:35
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Pupnikok, how to include a small font in a package and get a program to use it, though it's not installed in the X fonts dir04:39
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danielsPupnik: er, if it needs core fonts, you're screwed04:45
danielsPupnik: the server as shipped with the 770/n800 has no support for fonts that aren't built in04:45
danielsclient-side fonts are the way04:46
Pupnikok thanks daniels04:46
Pupnikany thoughts on how i can get fonts this small?04:46
danielsPupnik: you'll need client-side fonts somehow04:46
Pupnikwell normal people couldn't read them anyway04:47
Pupnikbut i can :)04:48
Pupniki'll try to work up a ttf solution04:48
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Pupniki've got the server selection screen running now with something that looks like a 6x10 size font05:03
Pupnikso i'll try to make a layout for that05:03
Pupnikthe fonts are in /usr/share/fonts?05:05
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PupnikIT WORKS!06:48
Pupnikplaying netrek on n770 now06:54
Pupnikall i need now is to set fullscreen06:54
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inzmgedmin, autoreconf -i should do it08:08
inzoops, he's not here08:08
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PupnikEtoHhi unique31108:34
unique311my backgound wallpaper keeps dissapearing evertime i install a new program or update it08:35
unique311n800 issue08:35
unique311nothing major but really sucks08:35
PupnikEtoHdoes the image on the flash get erased also?08:36
PupnikEtoHthe file?08:36
unique311i just have to go to the bacground setup and press ok for it to add the image..08:36
PupnikEtoHthat's odd08:37
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mikemorrisonn800that happens to me as well. i dont know if it is limited to updating though.08:50
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PupnikEtoHhi konttori10:40
PupnikEtoHi forgot what apps you make10:40
konttoriUK Media Player , Media Converter, Theme Maker10:41
PupnikEtoHcool, i have to try the first two but i love that theme maker10:43
konttoricool. nice to hear that.10:43
PupnikEtoHi just got netrek running on the 770 and i'm totally high10:43
konttoriuk MP is really terrific. You'll need python (2.5 or 2.4) on your device first10:43
konttoriahh... congrats!10:44
konttoriSomeone was doing the same thing yesterday. Did you combine efforts?10:44
PupnikEtoHno that was me, i've been up all night10:44
PupnikEtoHvery clueless about X11 apps and maemo in particular, but it's been so fun... :)10:45
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konttorioh. cool. Saw screenshots in the evening. Looks cool. I suppose it's running at pretty nice speeds10:46
PupnikOh yeah, as fast as on PC10:46
PupnikHad to use bigger fonts, but that's a good thing since 5x7 is pretty small at 200dpi :)10:47
PupnikMucking with fullscreen and 'hildony' stuff now10:48
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JaffaMorning, all11:07
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AppearsHi, again I got some question :) in the flasher section in maemo , is described, by the serial port list,(I mean that yellow/golden things next to the battery, by the nokia 770), so there are not all Ports described...have someone, a complete list off the Ports?11:12
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Appearshi sabturzio11:20
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AD-N770good morning11:26
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floriangood morning11:47
guru3good morning11:48
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Appearshave anyone a complete port list from the nokia 770 ? I mean that ports, which you can activate per flashing...11:49
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civodulI'd like to cross-compile (in Scratchbox) an autotoolified app that uses `libcomerr'12:16
civodulits `configure' uses `pkg-config' to look for `com_err.pc'12:16
civodulhowever, the archive at `' doesn't have, e.g., `comerr-dev'12:17
civodulany hint?12:17
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civodulIOW, where are the `-dev' packages corresponding to the binary packages available in, say, `gregale'?12:21
Appearsthx zuh :)12:23
inzcivodul, doesn't seem to be there. =/12:35
inzcivodul, dunno if it comes out if you recompile e2fsprogs...12:36
civodulinz: yeah, so the issue is that that particular package, `comerr-dev', is missing12:36
civodulinz: well12:36
civodulinz: I'll see12:36
civodulis the following a "known bug":12:40
civodulSetting up dpkg (1.13.13.osso6.1) ...12:40
civodul/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Operation not permitted12:40
kulvefakeroot dpkg -i ...12:43
kulveor fakeroot apt-get ... if using it12:46
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philnwhen trying to run a gst-python app i get this: python[1008]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - gst_base_src_init: assertion `pad_template != NULL' failed14:05
philni created my source element, inheriting from BaseSrc .. I have a PadTemplate __gsttemplates__14:06
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civodulAny idea why `dpkg-source' complains as follows?14:44
civodulunable to get login information for username "lcourtes" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-sarge/lib/dpkg/ line 59.14:44
civodul(sorry for newbie questions...)14:45
suihkulokkicivodul: because you selected the "debian-sarge" devkit. dont.14:46
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jkuany soc mentors around? I noticed Quim listed my application (geoclue) under heading "With mentorship requests" -- what does this actually mean?15:32
jkuAnything I can help with?15:32
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muzzydk_The chess game that comes with the nokia N800 is very buggy, but yet there are no bugs reported here: ? Wrong URL?16:19
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Takmaybe nobody plays it16:20
TakI don't :-P16:20
muzzydk_Certainly no-one has ever beaten it, not even the developers it seems....16:21
muzzydk_If you beat the computer at chess, it throws a hissy fit and you have to reboot the whole OS before it will let you play another game!16:21
muzzydk_It also declares itself the winner sometimes after you checkmate it!16:22
danielssounds quite vengeful16:24
muzzydk_yeah, I am not the best loser, but the N800 is a terrible sport!16:24
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muzzydk_I have also had it conveniently 'crash' a few times when I was in a winning position.... hmmmm16:25
muzzydk_i noticed it never crashes when it is winning16:26
c0ffeeyou have to admit that this is much easier to test...16:26
muzzydk_it's actually pretty difficult to beat the compueter, even on the easiest setting.16:27
inzgnuchess is just too good ;)16:27
Takhmm - whoever wrote the inquirer article got google docs to run on his n800 (minimo, I guess)16:28
inzIf you want a chess AI that was easy to beat, you should make it make obvious mistakes16:28
inzWhich gnuchess doesn't do16:28
danielsTak: yeah, he says it's using minimo16:29
elpasoHello everybody, I need some help with inlinemath16:30
elpaso...I'm trying the new devkit16:31
muzzydk_i'll create a bug report for on one of the bugs with the chess program and see if anything happens16:34
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qosany kernel junkees out there?16:47
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Tak|workphunk junkeez are in da house!17:19
qoswhat the hell is phunk?17:20
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zuhWhat wikipedia doesn't know, doesn't exist17:39
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qosgod hell, i NEED kernel junkees ... ;)17:39
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civodulsuihkulokki: I'm not using the `debian-sarge' devkit, as evidenced by `sb-conf show --devkits'17:42
civodulsuihkulokki: still, explicitly invoking /scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin/dpkg-source yields the following error:17:43
civodulunable to get login information for username "lcourtes" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-sarge/lib/dpkg/ line 59.17:43
civodulthere must be some dangling environment var or some such pointing to `debian-sarge'?17:43
qoscivodul, what are you talking about? sounds familiar ...17:44
civodulqos: I'm trying to `apt-get source' and `dpkg-source' fails as shown above17:44
qosme 2 ... u are trying to compile a kernel?17:45
civodulqos: suihkulokki suggested that this was due to my using the `debian-sarge' devkit, which doesn't appear to be the case17:45
civodulqos: no17:45
qoscivodul, so... ?17:45
suihkulokkicivodul: it IS the case, but feel free not to believe me..17:46
civodul suihkulokki: then I must be missing something.  `sb-conf show' tells me I'm not.17:47
qossuihkulokki, i am trying to "apt-get source kernel-source-rx-34" what makes no problems, but it ends up with "dpkg-source not found ... is dpkg-dev installed"17:48
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civoduloops  ;-)17:48
qoscivodul, where is he gone?17:49
civodulqos: maybe he got tired of our requests ;-)17:50
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qoscivodul, is dpkg-source in your scratchbox?17:54
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civodulqos: yes it is17:56
Pupnik_to coin a phrase; "I'm not a programmer, i just play one on my resume."17:57
qosgood, why? its missing in mine17:57
civodulqos: alright, as any good programmer should know (I didn't), one shouldn't install libc when creating the target in `sb-menu'; `dpkg-source' works fine now17:59
civoduli.e., the "unable to get login information for username" is gone18:00
qoscivodul, ;) thx. how do i do this?18:01
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zuh'sb-conf in -c'18:02
zuh...but for maemo you should use the one in the rootfs I think18:03
civodulzuh: cp: cannot overwrite non-directory `/targets/armel-n770-maemo-2.2/usr/include/asm/arch' with directory `/scratchbox/compilers/arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004/include/asm/arch'18:03
keesjcivodul: are you by any chance trying to install on a busybox based system?18:04
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civodulkeesj: nope18:04
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qoszuh, nice hint to use the external one18:05
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unique311anyone know the status of gimp for maemo...looks like a dead project18:21
keesjwho needs gimp if there is tuxpaint and horizon18:22
unique311are you serious18:22
unique311horizon won't install on n80018:23
keesjwell do no see how gimp could be used on maemo18:23
unique311or work18:23
unique311touch screen18:23
keesjwith all the windows I mean18:23
unique311gimp would be a  nice add...18:23
unique311for artist out there18:23
unique311true lots of windows18:23
keesjperhaps you can try ask the pixel developer for a n800 version?18:24
unique311pixel dev18:24
keesj he is not eivel18:25
unique311does he own a n800 or 77018:25
zuhI think a graphic tool for maemo needs to be a bit more defined in functionality than simply "what gimp does" :)18:25
unique311i use it on my sprint ppc670018:26
keesjthere are also ajax based progams :)18:26
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keesjyet , and if krita is running?18:29
keesjyet = yes18:29
bipolarkeesj: kontact is the killer app for me. :)18:30
bipolarfrankly, I'd like to see an entire mini-kde distro for the n800...18:30
keesjkde and amarok for me18:31
qoshurrra, ... i ve created a PPTP tunnel with my n800 ;)18:31
bipolaramarok... would be great18:32
unique311I don't think the n800 is tha popular..i saw one other person with it in the city since i purchased it...18:32
keesjI also saw one at FOSDEM18:33
bipolar5 people in the local lug have them18:33
unique311anyone from NYC?18:34
bipolarI don't know anyone in  NYC... personaly, If I was in NYC I wouldn't carry it around where people could see it :P18:34
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unique311we should have a n800/770 meet..over frappachinos at starbucks..and use the wifi, that i was under the impression was free, but found out it wasn't...18:35
bipolarunique311: nothing is free at starbucks....18:35
bipolarbut if you get bad service at one, at least you have the option to try the service at the one across the street.18:36
unique311alot of access points in NYC18:36
unique311but all require you to register..18:36
keesjI don't know what my next gadgets will be , I like the psp look the "DS" linux feeling, the openmoko stuff18:37
unique311umpc for me...18:37
bipolarkeesj: I would probbly have an openmoko if it had wifi18:38
keesjdoes it have bluetooth?18:38
keesjthe maemo series is just great when it comes to connectivity and screen. when I take that into account I still don't see nice alternatives18:40
Tak|workopenmoko would be great if I didn't have to change providers..18:41
keesjI am so unhappy with my current one, and stil have to way at least 1.5 year before I can change :(18:42
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bipolarkeesj: yes, the openmoko has bluetooth18:44
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* Pupnik will not buy another PDA or portable gaming device for a loooong time18:55
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PupnikPixel is not free software, if you like it and want to support its development, you may consider Purchasing a copy.18:59
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unique311gimp is free19:04
unique311i like free19:04
PupnikThe gimp developers would need to create a version for tablets19:04
unique311so touch screen is not supported by gimp19:05
PupnikWell i've used gimp with a wacom tablet19:05
unique311i found another software that for the zaurus but the author never emailed me..19:05
Pupnikand it's pretty important to be able to move the stylus around the screen without a click to draw19:05
unique311i used my graphire 4 with gimp-19:05
unique311but touch screen is so much better....i output better work on my phone than i do on my graphire..19:06
Pupnikalso the drawing app needs to be lightweight and fast19:07
Pupnikto keep up with the sketching stylus19:07
Tak|workwasn't somebody working on a project to use an IT as a wacomlike tablet input device?19:07
Pupnika gimp airbrush would be too slow19:07
unique311you checked out vspainter pupnik?19:07
Pupniknot yet19:07
unique311check it out19:07
unique311if you have a pocketpc phone19:08
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unique311hola mister mediacenter19:13
kenderhey, unique311 hola!19:15
unique311konttori your media player requires python 2.4 ?19:15
kenderunique311, me alegra ver a alguien que hable castellano por aquí19:15
unique311hello kender19:15
unique311oh man. dude..i don't speak that much spanish...19:15
unique311i feel terrible.19:16
unique311i hope i didn't offend you..19:16
kenderdon't worry!19:16
PupnikLMAO! 770 robot!
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Tak|workninguien habla castellano por aqui19:17
kenderTak, :)19:17
pekkisDoes anyone run hackers edition image ?19:17
kender*s/ninguien/nadie/ :)19:17
unique311whats castellsano?19:18
Tak|workobviously I *don't* speak spanish :-P19:18
kenderspanish = español19:18
kenderespañol = castellano19:18
kenderTak|work, yeah :D19:19
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konttoriunique: 2.4 or 2.5.19:23
unique311but i'm still having issues with certain tracks crashing it19:23
unique311when it crashes, i look in mpv and there's 3 processes running of it...19:24
konttoriunique311: ahh... interesting19:25
konttoriwhat are those processes?19:25
unique311mediacenter or player19:25
unique311hold on19:26
konttoricool. I'll have to investigate that further.19:26
konttoriwhat's the list processes command in maemo?19:26
bill20r3you mean 'ps' ?19:26
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* konttori is linux n00b19:27
konttoriI would19:27
konttorireally like to know what crashes it19:27
unique311i just started mediacenter...19:27
konttoriit's probably related to the gstreamer calls.19:27
unique311i look in mpv and it show 3 processes running of it..19:27
unique311but the mediacenter doenst start19:28
konttoriwhat's mpv?19:28
unique311memo process viewer19:28
konttoriPerhaps you need to kill those processes ?19:28
unique311its a gui for ps19:28
unique311ii gues19:28
konttoriI mean, if there are lingering processes from the last crash19:28
konttoriahh.. cool. I'll have to dl it19:29
unique311i did19:29
konttoriHmm.. perhaps gstreamer is jammed19:29
unique311mediaplayer-eng a process also19:29
unique311i see 2 process running of mediaplayer-eng19:30
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unique311i have to restart it in order to be able to run your mediacenter again...19:32
konttoriYeah, I have the same thing.19:33
konttoriWhen it crashes, I have to restart the device19:33
konttoriI would definately seem that crashing is not very nice in any circumstances, and I hate it that I have to reboot the device. I just haven't yet figured out why it actually happens19:35
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konttoriI can't find mpv19:40
konttoriIs it in the apps catalog?19:40
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unique311not sure19:48
unique311hold on19:48
unique311i think its a mistral app19:48
unique311here it is19:49
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unique311Maemo Process Viewer (NEW)19:51
unique311Download: v0.5
unique311Home Page:
unique311Distribution: Mistral19:51
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konttoricool. got it!19:52
konttoriit's not opening though.19:53
unique311it will19:53
konttoriperhaps it's not N800 copliant19:54
unique311it should19:54
unique311it is19:54
konttorinope, didn't open on my n80019:54
unique311im using it on n80019:54
konttorilatest version?19:54
konttoriof firmware19:54
konttoriI'll reboot and try again19:54
bipolarSince the SDK for 3.1 was released, is there an updated kernel with HCSD card support yet?19:54
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kulvebipolar: yes19:55
bipolarkulve: um, where? :)19:56
* bipolar can't find it19:56
konttorimpv loading .... and nothing19:57
bipolarkulve: thanks!19:57
kulvebipolar: remember to read the disclaimer :)19:57
konttoriahh... error loading shared libraries19:57
bipolarkulve: oh, of course :)19:57
konttoriI just love dependencies19:57
kulvethat's why there should be proper repositories..19:58
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bipolarkulve: I've noticed that the repos are kind of broken....19:59
unique311working now konttori?19:59
kulvebipolar: broken?19:59
bipolarkulve: apt-get upgrade failing on missing deps, packages having conflicting files, etc20:00
kulveuse debian stable. That works :)20:00
kulvemaemo folks seems not be that picky about "minor" problems..20:01
bipolarkulve: heh... yeah. too bad they don't have a complete armel port :)20:01
konttoriNope.  didn't work.20:01
konttoriWell, I didn't download the lib.20:01
konttoridon't know how to do it easily enough. Maybe apt-get would do the trick?20:02
mgedmininz: autoreconf -i did the trick, thank20:02
mgedminhave you seen my patch for osso-xterm yet?20:02
mgedminthe one at ?20:03
konttoriok, my repos don't contain it20:03
konttorishame. looked pretty nice20:04
unique311i was bored......
unique311a little glue and lots of time on ur hands...20:05
unique311a dremel also20:05
unique311konttori the kernel repo should have the dependencie20:06
konttoriunique311: looked nice.20:07
unique311how would i go about checking where libxau is located20:07
konttoriunique311: yeah!20:07
kulvelibxau6: Installed: 1:1.0.0-320:08
kulve        500 bora/free Packages20:08
unique311konttori there ya go20:09
unique311i sent ya a PM20:11
unique311with the info20:11
unique311check it out20:11
konttoridamn. Should it work with apt-get install
unique311not sure20:12
mgedminkonttori: no20:12
mgedminbut it should work with apt-get install libxau620:13
mgedminor whatever the package name is20:13
konttoriok. it tells me that I already have it20:13
konttorilibxau6 is already the latest version20:13
juhokonttori: when are you going to arrange naming contest for your UK-MP? present name is fairly horrible :D20:15
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unique311working now konttori20:25
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konttorijuho: it is horrible. Do you have recommendations?20:58
konttoriI was kinda thinking of naming it once I get the playlist things working on it20:59
unique311u got mpv to work20:59
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konttoriI have the libxau6 installed, but the mpv needs something else21:00
konttoriit's still complaining about the libxau, though.21:01
konttoriI think I'll test the task manager21:03
zuhkonttori: try libxau021:04
zuhThat is a mistral package thi21:04
konttorizuh: thanks! it worked21:05
konttorimpv works now as well21:05
konttorithanks unique311 , zuh21:06
jameyI think we need to fix the python packages to be more consistent with mainstream debian. Packages that normally depend on python should not have to depend on python2.5-dev in order to work.21:17
konttorithey can depend on python-runtime and python2.4 runtime. That should do the trick21:20
konttoriBut yeah, depending on just python would be much better21:21
konttoriAnyway, packaging is quite a small thing in the end21:21
konttoriI mean, to replace python with python-runtime | python2.4-runtime takes like 5 secs.21:22
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jameykonttori, if I already needed to edit the control file, it is a small thing. But I should not have needed to edit the control file at all.21:24
jameyand my experience has been that packaging actually turns out to be a big thing, because all these small things add up21:25
melmothca va21:26
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jameyno python2.4 for n800?21:26
konttoriI would think that one needs to edit at least the secion information21:26
konttorithere is python 2.421:26
konttoriI put together an install file for it21:27
konttorithat works on 770 and N800. Which is always nice21:27
konttoriSo, your install instructions can have a two click instruction21:28
jameytwo clicks for a dependence is two clicks too many21:29
jameymy instructions would have 32 clicks or so21:29
jameyjust crazy21:29
bill20r3anyone know off the top of thier head what driver/etc I need to use a bt keyboard on my N800?21:30
mgedminbill20r3: none, if the keyboard supports the HID profile21:30
mgedmingo to the control panel and register it21:30
bill20r3excellent, thanks.21:30
bill20r3I just got my 'freedom mini duo' kb.21:33
* bill20r3 trys it out.21:33
konttorijamey. It's one click for the python install, and another for your apps install21:33
konttoriIt's not that much. And for people with python already, it's only one click21:34
* konttori just added an icon for ukmp. 21:36
konttorifestivities may begin ;)21:36
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jameyI do not know what is the point of apt-get if you have to click all the dependences one at a time21:42
Tak|workone click per repo, not per dependency21:43
mgedminstill a bit unpleasant21:43
mgedminthere should be only one repo21:43
Tak|workyeah, but most of the devs are too far apart to hold them all at gunpoint and make them deploy to the extras repo21:44
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jameyhow does one deploy to the extras repo?21:44
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jameyfound instructions21:45
jameyTak|work, should not require gunpoint. Should be an honor!21:46
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bill20r3I wonder how/when I'm supposed to enter a passcode for this kb.21:50
bill20r3anyone have guesses?21:51
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mgedmindepends on the kb, I think21:52
mgedminis there any documentation?21:52
bill20r3yeah, but it's not so great.21:52
* bill20r3 re-reads21:52
mgedminI heard that on some bt kbs you're supposed to hold Fn while entering the numbers21:52
melmothdid you try entering a passphrase on the kb itself ?21:52
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mgedminor maybe it is enough to just enter the numbers and press enter21:52
bill20r3yeah, I tried that.21:53
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qgiljamey: agreed with the honor thing - In fact I believe that this honorific perception is improving and quickly22:00
qgilbut then again I'm not packaging apps  :)22:00
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jameyqgil, you too could be packaging apps! :)22:02
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Tak|workyeah qgil, when are we going to see some software from you? :-P22:03
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jameyTak|work, anyway, thanks for the comment on contributing to extras. I have requested permission to be able to upload.22:06
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chellihi, i hope that there is someone who can help me: i am trying to setup the maemo-sdk (with the script, scratchbox, but "apt-get update" inside scratchbox fails because it can not resolv, the funny thing is, that wget works without any problems, does anyone have an idea? (Host System is Debian Etch)22:23
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melmothhmm, double check /etc/resolv.conf ad /etc/nsswitch.conf . but i doubt it is this (otherwise wget would fail as well)....22:27
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chelliallready did this (nsswitch.conf says "hosts: files dns")22:28
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jkuqgil, should I be worried since my soc proposal (geoclue) is in "With mentorship requests" -category?22:31
jkuOr rather, is there something I should do?22:31
Tak|workdidn't somebody mention the other day that there are two nsswitch.conf files lurking in scratchbox?22:31
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chelliTak|work: thanks for the hint, there are indeed 2 files, /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and /scratchbox/etc/target_etc_base/nsswitch.conf), i changed /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf to "hosts: files dns" too, now apt-get update works22:35
Tak|workyay random memories!22:36
qgilMyself packaging and developing - yeah, probably the first thing I will learn when I'm a pensionist22:36
qgiljku, don't worry, the problem was that 2 people requested to mentor your project but now they have agreed that you will invite Henri Bergius to have beers in Espoo, or something like that  :)22:37
jkuGreat. Thanks for clearing that up.22:38
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bipolarcan I change the username that gets used? 'user' is kinda lame22:55
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||cwbipolar: just edit the name in /etc/passwd22:59
||cwthe uid is the important part22:59
Tak|workI suspect that /home/user is rather essential as well22:59
bipolar||cw: ahh... good point...23:00
bipolarTak|work: I wonder if they fail to use $HOME in any scripts...23:00
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MDKdaniels: ping23:02
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mk8Hi to all23:09
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danielsMDK: pong23:15
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Pupnikdaniels: thanks for the help, netrek running fine with a slightly larger font23:21
danielsPupnik: np23:21
Pupnikgot to do the hildony thing now23:22
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mk8Hi to all. I have a little question on NumberEditor. On this widget I not found any event when the user change the numberic value. Seems to be a big usage limitation to be true ....23:28
mk8can anyone help me?23:29
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Pupnikhi mk8 not ignoring you, just can't help23:36
mk8no problem Pupnik, I'm new as maemo user, so I don't if here is the right place to make question like this23:37
Pupnikwhat ... is the NumberEditor? :)23:38
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Pupnikwhat ... is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?23:39
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jonnylambPupnik: african or european?23:59

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