IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-04-03

Pupnikuh, i don't know00:00
Pupnikwhaaaaaaaa!00:00
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Pupnik:)00:01
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Pupnikhmm, the siemens simpad + linux would be a good net tablet for Moms who want something bigger than the 770/800 ... used around 180 euro00:14
Pupniki've got one of those computerphobic mothers, but she doesn't mind touching the 77000:15
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maddler-n800pupnik... never heard of it... lemme google00:19
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Pupnikit'd be cool if nokia also made a double-size tablet with same cpu/specs as the 80000:20
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Pupnikold folks don't luev 200dpi00:20
shawarmaI'm having a tough time figuring out the different distros of maemo. gregale is sort of stable, but not end-user ready, right? And it's the latest sort of stable distro for the n700, right?00:20
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maddler-n800hmmm... kinda too big... and with slower  CPU than n80000:21
Pupnikshawarma: i dunno i'm still on scirocco00:22
Pupnikagree maddler - something as slim as the 800 but with 2x screen would be ideal for the momtablet00:23
shawarmaPupnik: which is what? I'm still running mistral.00:23
shawarmaI'm living in the past. I know.00:23
Pupniki think scirocco = 2.1, release nov 2006...00:23
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shawarmaOk. Well, let's say I wanted to upgrade to gregale. How to do?00:24
Pupnikdunno if there's an image for the flasher00:24
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Tak|workrun a backup, make a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list, download the ssh, xterm, and becomeroot debs to your mmc00:25
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Tak|workdownload the gregale image, flash, restore restore restore reinstall00:26
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shawarmaTak|work: Ah. 1) Where is that image? 2) Where is the flasher? 3) will it kill my cat, or do I have to do that myself?00:26
Tak|workI believe feline homicide is an unsupported community feature00:27
shawarmaTak|work: Ok, I'm on my own with that one. I can handle that.00:27
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Tak|workflashers at http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php00:28
Tak|workimage http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_77000:29
* konttori released preview 19: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1194/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview19.deb00:29
konttoriBug fixes and an icon for the app.00:29
* konttori goes to bed (email bugs urho.konttori@gmail.com ONCE you find them (not if))00:30
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shawarmaTak|work: This is good stuff. Need to write down. 2 sec.00:30
shawarmaTak|work: Kind of confusing that maemo.org asks me to test gregale, but the image download doesn't map gregale to any of those version numbers..00:32
shawarmaTak|work: Also, flashers are scary. I like the door stop I already have.00:34
* Tak|work shrugs00:35
chibiAcydlol00:36
chibiAcydflashing is rather tame00:38
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shawarmaHow can I find out what the memory card is used for? When plugging in the usb it says it's in use.00:41
Pupnikwhen plugged in, you can't use the memory card from the n77000:42
shawarmaNo, I know. I want to access it from my computer.00:43
Pupnikoh you mean flashing00:43
shawarmaWell, no.00:43
Pupnikor copying files?00:43
shawarmaCopying.00:43
shawarmaWell, I know how to do that.00:44
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Pupniki haven't seen 'in use' from the computer side before00:44
shawarma..but when I plug in the usb cable it says the memory card is in use.00:44
shawarmaNono, on the n770.00:44
Pupnikwhen plugged in, you can't use the memory card from the n77000:44
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shawarmaLOL. No, I know.00:44
shawarmaSee, I plug in the cable, and the n770 tells me that the usb connection won't work, because the memory card is in use.00:45
Pupnikahhh00:45
shawarmaI've disabled virtual memory and rebooted. That helped.00:45
Pupnikso problem solved?00:45
shawarmaI just kept saying it was in use even though I had disabled it. Rebooting was apparantly required.00:45
shawarmaYes, solved. Just now.00:45
derfFor a Linux device, the thing certainly seems to require a lot of rebooting.00:46
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Pupnikin the case of kernel still locking the mmc after disabling swap, i had to reboot also00:48
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mk8night to all ... bye00:57
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shawarmaHow long does flashing this thing usually take?00:57
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Pupnikdon't remember00:58
shawarmaPupnik: Like 5 minutes or an hour?00:58
Pupnikmore like 5 minutes00:59
shawarmaExcellent.00:59
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Pupniki still geek out over the fact that this thing is faster than $7,000 unix workstations i used in college01:01
Pupnikfast or slow is largely a question of frame of reference01:02
shawarmaHmm... Is there a howto for this flasher thing? I've got the .bin, i've got the n770 plugged into usb and I've got the flasher. What to do?01:05
acydlordi dont remember the command myself01:06
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acydlordit's all over maemo for the software upgrades01:07
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jkushawarma: yes ther is.  http://maemo.org/maemowiki?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=howto+flash&titlesearch=Titles01:10
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shawarmaI'm confused. Should the 770 be on or off, when doing this?01:14
dragornoff, start flasher, on01:15
dragornthe flasher will wait until a flashable device appears01:15
dragornalso unplug it from the AC adapter01:15
shawarmaAh. That makes more sense. One of the howto's left that bit out. :-)01:16
shawarmawow. That was a lot easier than I thought it would be.01:16
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shawarmaAnd it doesn't even look like my other door stop!01:17
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dragornflashing was well done01:24
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shawarmaCan someone please toss me the contents of /etc/ld.so.conf from their n770 (preferably gregale)? Mine seems to have been hosed.01:32
shawarmaJust /usr/lib ?01:33
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Pupnikhrm01:43
Pupnikcan't you just run ldconfig?01:44
shawarmald.so.conf is ldconfig's configuration file.01:45
Pupnikmaybe you want ldconfig -p?01:46
shawarmaIt won't know what to do without it.01:46
shawarmaNah, that just dumps its cache.01:47
shawarmaI've created a new one just with /usr/lib. I'll see if it causes any problems.01:47
shawarmaOh, FFS!01:47
shawarmaOf course the maemo mapper site is down just now when I'm upgrading!01:48
Pupnikmy /etc/ld.so.cache had binary stuff in it, unreadable01:48
shawarmaHey, it's back up!01:48
shawarmaPupnik: Not cache. Conf.01:48
Pupnikoops01:48
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Pupnikdon't have one01:48
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shawarmaAha.. Don't you get all sorts of errors when installing new libraries?01:49
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Pupnikno, ldconfig finds libs i add01:50
Pupnikbut i've been naughty and copied in libs from scratchbox01:50
shawarmaHeh.01:57
shawarmaMine bitches and moans (as I would it expect it to without a config file).01:57
Pupniki am generally confused about everything01:58
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Pupnikis there a new version of 770-encoder that maxes out new mplayer's accelerated playback?02:19
Pupnikor is xvid possible now :)02:20
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Pupnikminrai can now play Xvid encoded video without jerkiness02:21
Pupnikminrathats huge... i havent determined rough maximum bitrates yet02:21
Pupnikhmm02:21
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zwnjhey02:23
zwnjwhat's the default root password on os2006?02:23
zwnjis there any?02:23
Pupnikargh02:24
Pupniklook at the 'how to i become root' howto02:24
Pupnikmaybe it's 'toor' i forgot02:24
Pupniknp: Wierd Al Yankovic - White and Nerdy02:24
zwnjok, thanks02:25
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b0unc3zwnj: rootme02:29
zwnj*sudo gainroot* just works, and didn't ask ro password02:30
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PupnikCalculating upgrade... Failed02:36
PupnikThe following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed02:36
PupnikE: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.02:36
Pupnikstill kaputt02:36
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Pupnikhrm mmc1 says read only filesystem now03:02
Pupnik/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed)03:03
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Pupnikscp -c blowfish seems to be faster to the 770 than default encryption03:11
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Pupnikamazing, 770 mplayer is playing back VIDEO:  [XVID]  352x288  24bpp  29.970 fps  298.7 kbps03:19
Pupnikdon't need to transcode my old tv shows03:21
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unique311pupnik04:04
unique311what player?04:04
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mikemorrisondoes anyone here have much experience with the GtkUIManager?04:29
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Pupnik_EtOHunique311: mplayer06:13
Pupnik_EtOH<rant>06:13
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Pupnik_EtOHnobody understands how awesome mplayer on the 770 is06:13
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Pupnik_EtOHit is a throwback to the old school of programming where computers were used efficiently06:15
Pupnik_EtOHit does with the 770 cpu what i would not have ever dreamed possible06:16
Pupnik_EtOH+dsp06:16
Pupnik_EtOHtry playing back xvid with a variety of media players06:17
Pupnik_EtOHon a pentium 10006:17
Pupnik_EtOHfor comparison06:17
Pupnik_EtOHyou can't06:19
Pupnik_EtOHit doesn't work06:19
Pupnik_EtOHmplayer on the 770 is the bomb06:21
Pupnik_EtOHi have to find out who did the dsp work06:21
Pupnik_EtOHit's so easy for lusers to look at a major accomplishment and immediatley subsume it and take it for granted06:22
Pupnik_EtOHwithout a freaking clue as to what an achievement it is06:22
Pupnik_EtOHbut... they're lusers06:23
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Pupnik_EtOHand the world is full of stupid people06:23
Pupnik_EtOH</rant>06:24
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mk8Hi to all10:24
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AD-N770good morning10:49
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konttori_morning all! Not much going on today, is it?14:24
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pekkisseems very quiet here15:08
Knirchschhh15:08
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Sonejrdesktop does not support copy/paste? I use cl1p.net to copy text.15:58
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jameyrdesktop does support copy/paste with some versions of the protocol16:02
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unique311WISP16:29
unique311hello16:34
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Tak|workbugzilla down17:22
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unique311_http://www.erratasec.com/meta-n800.html17:46
unique311_sec test17:46
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dieguitothe SDK is supposed to be just the hildon ui and nothing more isn't it?18:51
dieguitoI mean, no applications installed/installable18:51
mgedminwell, there's xterm18:52
mgedminand control panel18:52
mgedminand maemopad, iirc18:52
mgedminother than that, no applications installed18:52
mgedminoh, and perhaps there's application manager?   I don't remember18:52
kulveand some plugins and some start up scripts and ..18:52
dieguitomgedmin: no... no app manager18:53
dieguitoI thought that stuff was installed from nokia repos "non-free" bits18:54
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`0660well, application manager is mostly a frontend for apt-get18:56
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SonejIs it possible to use the n800 camera as a webcamera on a http server? that would be awesome19:13
bill20r3in theory, but I don't think anyone's compiled a grabber yet.19:15
OkkoSonej: the Camera API is documented and writing a simple http server shouldn't be too hard either. I haven't seen anyone combine the two yet.19:15
kulveSonej: I made a branc in malomo-project which sends images once per minute over scp..19:16
zorrolerohi, is it safe to install a kernel for "Version 39 2.6.16-omap1 (Maemo2.1)" when the system-info shows "Version: 3.2006.49-2" on a 770?19:18
Sonejscp?19:18
zorrolerojust wanted to get this kernel: https://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-0b5eec33297f56a591f0b41e2a3ba95efd94067a because of nfs-client-support19:19
`0660scp = secure shell copy19:19
OkkoSonej: scp is a copy command from one computer to another that uses ssh protocol for the transfer.19:20
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Soneji want something easy to url my friends and give them a "live" feed19:21
OkkoYou can publish the image with scp to a web server that can handle more users than your tiny N80019:22
Okkoand then give out the URL of the web server. This way the URL doesn't change when you change your location.19:22
`0660also, N800 is usually behind the firewall anyway...19:22
Sonejtrue19:22
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kulvebut I have to warn that the malomo and especially my branch is just a quick try. The branch needs manual mods to work..19:24
Sonejoh, so no deb install19:25
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pantharhas anyone tried the locale editing that was posted on the maemo wiki yesterday?20:10
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wundoSomeone please tell me where I can get one nokia n800 or any maemo compatible device here in Brazil?20:11
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s-ndh-cdoes canola work with wmc?20:43
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s-ndh-coh, it just took some time to discover the wmc instance20:48
s-ndh-cwow it works20:50
s-ndh-c:)20:50
s-ndh-csomehow it didnt using gmediaserver20:50
kulvewmc?20:53
bipolarwindows media connect?20:53
s-ndh-cwindows media connect20:53
bipolarI was just reading up on how to get mythtv to work and saw that20:54
kulvenm then :)20:54
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bipolarcan anyone think of any way to get a calendar/contact app to sync with a kolab based server (citadel)? Or groupdav?20:59
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bipolarit seems that the gpe apps w/ opensync would work, but there is nothing in opensync that can sync with kolab. It doesn't sync anything in kontact that uses IMAP resources.21:00
* bipolar wonders where kkito is with his kontact port21:00
s-ndh-c:)21:00
s-ndh-ci can sync gpe with my evolution but it doesnt seem to sync changes from the device back to my evolution21:01
soothsayCan anyone tell me typical configurations that a power-user or dev would do to a new N800 beside gainroot, and rootfs?21:01
* rev never sync'd any pda with any desktop21:01
soothsaybesides*21:02
bipolarsoothsay: rootfs?21:02
revsoothsay: install an xterm and vnc server?21:02
revadd a bunch of handy repositories to the list so when you felt like looking or apps it was easy21:02
soothsaybipolar: Installing the root file system on SD card21:02
mgedminsoothsay: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html21:03
etrunkowundo: if you got the money --> http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-54474955-nokia-n800-internet-tablet-pda-frete-gratis-_JM21:03
bipolarsoothsay: oh, yeah, I did that. :)21:03
* rev just got an olpc, ooh ooh fun!21:03
bipolarrev: very cool21:03
etrunkowundo: or else --> http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-55539560-nokia-n800-internet-tablet-wifi-pdf-email-laptop-notebook-_JM21:03
revbipolar: it is pretty rad21:03
* rev bows his head in shape21:04
rever21:04
revshame21:04
revwhen I saw R$ i thought to myself- what currency?21:04
revbut my first thought was rupees21:04
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soothsaymgedmin: Thanks, nice link21:05
tkowhat a day.. so many meetings that I got my sense of achievement for the day from sending the mail to the list :-]21:06
soothsaymgedmin: Is there a reason you don't backup the list of installed applications using dpkg?21:07
parttko: well, at least you do get some sense of achievement21:07
mgedminsoothsay: because I treat a reflash as an opportunity to get rid of packages I installed but did not really use21:08
mgedminalso, dpkg --get-sources does not distinguish system packages from applications21:08
tkopart: that doesn't sound too good21:08
soothsaymgedmin: Ah, okay.21:08
mgedminand it is conceivable that some system library may be replaced (libfoo5 with libfoo6, e.g.)21:08
xantko, make sure to send your report about the email you sent21:10
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tkoxan: and you don't forget the groundhog day :)21:11
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xantko, you tell me that every day21:13
tkoxan: umm, you're not supposed to notice that21:14
xantko, maybe we are both inside the groundhog day21:14
Piobing!21:17
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MDKxan, tko: just wait for the 'jackal day' to arrive21:20
xanMDK, that's when sniper agents start to kill nokia employees who forget to send their reports?21:22
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unique311_can perl be installed on n800?21:24
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xanisn't it there already?21:25
Tak|workI would think it would have to be for much of the apt stuff to work21:26
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tkoI think we castrated the system enough to kick out perl21:27
tkocan't recall the details anymore21:27
xanwow21:27
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xaneat that, debian base system21:27
unique311_so its MIA21:27
tkoof course I could reach out for my device and actually check.. but it's so far far away21:28
unique311_its there21:29
tkosh: perl: not found21:29
unique311_just ran perl...21:29
parttak: apt doesn't use perl21:29
unique311_mines is still looking i guess21:29
unique311_lol21:29
tkodpkg -l '*perl*' comes up empty21:30
unique311_its there21:30
unique311_run perl -v21:30
unique311_perl v5.8.321:30
xan770?21:31
tkounique311_: n800 or the sdk?21:31
unique311_n80021:31
xanit's not there in my n800, just checked21:31
unique311_you ran perl -v21:31
xanperl is just not there, can't run anything21:32
unique311_i get "This is perl, v5.8.3 built for arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi21:32
MDKunique311_: maybe you got it as a dep21:33
MDKI think it's in the repos21:33
unique311_if perl wasn't there...i would get command not found when running perl correct?21:33
xanit might not be in your path, but most probably yes21:34
unique311_i just ran apt-cache serach perl21:34
tko"I have some good news, and I have some reality-based news. Which do you want first?" :)21:35
unique311_good news21:35
unique311_perl is there21:35
xanI think he got this special 1 in a million N800 loaded with extra software21:36
unique311_me21:37
unique311_yeah21:37
unique311_reality based news now21:37
xananyway, if it's in the repos and you add it as a dependency, it should work fine (I'm assuming you need it for your program)21:37
tkoanyone happen to know a good replacement for dailystrips?21:38
unique311_http://pastebin.ca/42280721:40
unique311_check it21:40
unique311_http://pastebin.ca/42281121:41
unique311_and heres the commands i ran after.21:41
mgedminno perl here21:41
unique311_which suck, cause man perl didn't work21:41
mgedminon my n80021:41
unique311_and perldoc also didn't work21:42
unique311_run perl -v mgedmin21:42
mgedminunique311_: -sh: perl: not found21:42
* xan though perl was something like Practical Extraction and Report Language21:42
unique311_thats what i should get also correct21:42
xanbut the description of that debian package fits better probably21:43
mgedminapt-cache sees a perl-base that can be downloaded from indt.org21:43
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unique311_k, well go with the good news xan gave ne earlier, i have un special n800...21:44
wundoetrunko, but it's a bit expensive anyway huh?21:44
etrunkowundo: sort of21:44
partunique311_: what repositories do you have in sources.list?21:44
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unique311_http://pastebin.ca/42282421:46
unique311_you want that on pastebin part?21:46
unique311_have a bunch21:46
partone of those is providing perl21:47
unique311_http://pastebin.ca/42282821:49
partthat's a lot21:50
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unique311_i'll try and find which one of the repo21:52
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Tak|workwon't apt-cache policy tell you?21:53
unique311_thanks21:54
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unique311_openbossa.indt.org21:56
unique311_perl-base21:56
unique311_i run the same on perl Installed:NONE Candidate:None Version table:21:57
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wazquisis it possibly somehow to see info about how long time there is left on the battery on a n800, when in a terminal?22:08
derfYes.22:09
wazquishooow? :22:09
wazquis:)22:09
derfIt's not easy. It involves sending/receiving dbus messages.22:10
derfBut it is _possible_.22:10
wazquisheh22:10
etrunkowazquis: /proc?22:10
wazquisi'm looking for something a little more precise than the power applet22:10
s-ndh-ci didnt find anything in /proc22:10
* wazquis nighter22:11
wazquisneither22:11
derfWell, I don't think you're getting anything more precise than the power applet.22:13
derfRun dbus-monitor --system22:13
derfThen tap the power applet, and you'll see some messages go by.22:13
derfIt gives you estimated times left in seconds... apparently rounded to the nearest 60.22:13
wazquisokay22:14
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wazquisseems like my applet only says whole hours... 3 hours left, under 1 hour...and like that22:14
derfSorry, I meant in minutes.22:14
wazquisah :)22:16
wazquisokay22:16
wazquisdoesn't matter then ;)22:16
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bipolarIs claws mail in any repo? All I've been able to find is plain .deb files22:19
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zorrolerohi, is it safe to install a kernel for "Version 39 2.6.16-omap1 (Maemo2.1)" when the system-info shows "Version: 3.2006.49-2" on a 770?22:25
zorrolerojust wanted to get this kernel: https://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-0b5eec33297f56a591f0b41e2a3ba95efd94067a because of nfs-client-support22:25
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wazquisare there a repo with gpesyncd in for n800? I'm trying to get my google calendar on my n800.23:07
Tak|workyou don't need gpesyncd for google calendar23:08
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Tak|workhttp://tinyurl.com/25fl2r23:09
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wazquisTak|work: would it be possible to add things to the calendar on the n800 and submit them to google?23:16
Tak|workah, no23:17
wazquisdanmed :)23:17
Tak|workalthough somebody on the developers' list did write something to do that23:17
wazquisis that possible some other way?23:17
s-ndh-cyou can import ical files into the google calendar i think but only via browser23:19
wazquisok23:21
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wazquisi just need to get the calendar on the n800 in the first place...it was my excuse for buying it...if i don't have it working i'll get beaten up by my girlfriend :)23:27
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Tak|workyeah - my fiancee's all set up with gpe-calendar, and she accepts that it only syncs one way23:28
s-ndh-ci think you can share the call as ical file23:28
s-ndh-cthats some setting somewhere in the google calendar properties23:28
Tak|workshe wouldn't want to add a bunch of new entries on the tablet anyway23:28
Tak|works-ndh-c: http://tinyurl.com/25fl2r23:29
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wazquishm, okay...i got my calender on the n800. But now GPE-Calendar crashes :(23:30
s-ndh-chehe23:30
s-ndh-c:)23:30
wazquis:(23:30
wazquisThe profile contains the unsupported custom attribute X-WR-CALNAME.23:37
wazquisand 3 more... X-WR-TIMEZONE X-WR-CALDESC and X-LIC-LOCATION23:37
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s-ndh-chm23:43
s-ndh-cit would be cool to be able to sync contact to the builtin contact thing23:44
wazquisyeah23:44
s-ndh-cso it could be used by the builtin email client or gtalk thing23:45
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wazquishm, seems like erminig is the trick...23:54
wazquisit should provide sync both ways23:54
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