IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2007-04-01

kulveand the docs didn't really help00:00
mikemorrisoni just tried it and it seems to work (not that i can test that well in the scratchbox though without the file manager)00:02
mikemorrisoni run this: dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.yi.mike.quiver /usr/bin/quiver org.yi.mike.quiver.mime_open string:file:///home/mike/pics/00:03
kulvedbus directly or osso?00:03
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mikemorrisonand i have a printf in the callback. it prints this: MIME CB: file:///home/mike/pics/00:04
kulveI did get the osso_mime_set_cb working only if my app was already running. If it wasn't, it was just started, but it didn't get the flies..00:04
mikemorrisonfollowing that , there is another message: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "mime_open" with signature "s" on interface "org.yi.mike.quiver" doesn't exist00:04
mikemorrisonthat dbus message seems funny because it all seems to work..00:05
mikemorrisonmy callback gets called every time i run that dbus-send command (even if the app is not already open)00:06
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BogBrotheri have a possibly simple or stupid question00:13
BogBrotherfakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d00:13
BogBrotherdh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported.00:13
BogBrotheris there a workaround to build libraries that expect debhelper > 5?00:14
kulveBogBrother: usually that can be "fixed" by changing debian/compat to 4 and required debhelper to 400:14
kulvebut that ofc may not work for packages really requiring deblpher 500:14
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BogBrotherok thanks00:15
BogBrothergot me past that error at least :)00:15
BogBrotherCouldn't find quilt. Please install it or add it to the build-depends for this package.00:15
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Guest488what the?00:15
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czr800any idea why the fm-radioapp isn't installed by default?00:16
kulvedon't the new sdk support quilt?00:16
kulveie. have it preinstalled00:16
kulveor at least installable00:16
BogBrotherapt-cache search quit shows nothing00:16
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Guest442much better00:16
Guest442or not...00:16
BogBrotherah i see it in regular debian sid, but not with mistral00:16
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kulveBogBrother: get the debian version and remove the doc stuff. They depend on roughly the whole world..00:17
kulvebut I'm off00:17
BogBrotherthank you very much for the tips kulve00:17
Knowledgedoes anyone know how I could format my SD card so that the maps from google don't take that much room?00:18
konttoriKnowledge: What sizes are they currently in?00:19
KnowledgeI don't know.00:19
Knowledgeoh wait, the maps or the SD? cause I haven't downloaded the maps yet, I can't find winmapper anymore00:20
konttoriOne map image. how much large is it?00:20
KnowledgeI have no clue, couple of bytes?..00:20
konttoriyou me couple of kb?00:20
Knowledgedoes anyone have a copy of winmapper? or know where I could get it?00:21
* nelson is away: In Mumbai until 4/1100:23
konttoriWhat I mean is, that in Fat32, minimum cluster size for <8 GB cards is 4 kilobytes. So, if images take less than 4, then they *ACTUALLY* take always 4 kb. If image size is less than 2 kb, then this might be considered ineffective, but if it's something between 2-4 then it doesn't matter that much.00:23
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konttoriNot minimum, I meant default cluster size.00:23
konttori(although it might also be minimum) -  I'm not sure00:23
konttoriok. Just checked google maps image size. 16 kb. So, there is no need to worry about ineffective blocks.00:26
konttoriJust format as fat32 and don't worry about it.00:26
Knowledgecool, thanks konttori00:26
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BogBrother"building quilt without quilt is good for autobuilders only, not for humans."00:36
BogBrotherdependency hell-oooo00:37
konttoriBogBrother: Did you and Tak have any success today with picodrive?00:37
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BogBrotherdidn't see him... i don't even know how to build picodrive yet00:37
BogBrotherworking on netrek right now00:37
konttoriahh... nice. SO, was Tak working on pico by himself?00:38
konttoriHow is netrek going?00:38
BogBrotheri'm bogged down building dependencies right now, but cow should be working as soon as i can get quilt, libxxf86vm, x11proto-xf86vidmode running, and then the kde dependencies out00:39
BogBrothercow = sdl netrek client00:39
danielswhat do you need libxxf86vm for?00:39
danielsit won't work on the device at all00:39
konttoriso, you have to rebuild th gui?00:40
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BogBrotherok thx daniels00:40
BogBrotherkonttori: the gui will be broken initially yes00:41
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TakI'm not exactly "working on" picodrive00:47
TakI spent about an hour trying to build it, then gave up00:47
konttoriTak: Ahh... Didn't get too far then, I presume.00:48
Takwell - I got it to build up to the linking phase00:48
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Takbut it wouldn't link any of the assembled objects00:48
Taks/assembled/built from assembly code/00:49
konttoriTak: Sounds pretty good. Why do you think it had problems with the asm parts? Did you compile for ARM target?00:49
konttoriAhh... Sad. Was the port based on linux source?00:50
TakI don't know enough about arm hardware, but it seemed like they were using a different abi or something00:50
Takyeah, linux port00:50
Takit was the code from the gp2x port00:50
BogBrotherTak, i've got the following in my picodrive dir00:51
BogBrotherbranches  solutions  tags  trunk00:51
konttoriTak: I wonder if the changes in the abi are small enough to be changed easily. Anyway, I hope someone can help with that part.00:51
BogBrotherls arm9/00:52
BogBrotherMakefile  source00:52
* Tak shrugs00:52
BogBrotherdu -s arm9 / 7840    arm900:53
BogBrotherdoes that look like the right source dir?00:53
TakI don't remember tbh00:53
BogBrotherok do you remember this?00:53
BogBrotherMakefile:5: *** "Please set DEVKITARM in your environment. export DEVKITARM=<path to>devkitARM.  Stop.00:53
TakI'm pretty sure I got a tarball, not an svn checkout00:53
Takthat probably isn't what I haad00:53
BogBrothercouldn't find a tarball00:53
TakI didn't have to do that00:53
BogBrotherok thx00:54
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Takmeh, I know there's an imagemagick deb somewhere00:58
Takanyone happen to know where?00:58
BogBrothercouldn't find it01:03
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robtaylorjumpula: that'd be cool, i'll play with darcs head for now, and let you know how it goes, if you want..01:04
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BogBrotherhere are some arm-optimized emus with sources,0,2,0,4601:08
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Takyeah, I found picodrive in the first place browsing around gp2x apps01:10
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BogBrotherfound the picodrive .rar01:14
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mikemorrisonkulve: you still there?01:29
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sbaturziois there around a list of GPS with bluetooth working with Maemo Mapper?01:37
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BogBrotherhar! quilt partially installed though i have NO IDEA what i am doing01:49
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robtaylorjamey: btw, that deb was borken :/02:03
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BogBrothernetrek cow compiled!02:26
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mikemorrisonwho wants to try my image viewer?02:33
chibiAcydinstalling it now02:35
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chibiAcydlooks pretty good.02:40
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|tbb|_i found out if i locked my n800 via menu locking  screen and keyboard and plug in ac adapter then the screen isnt locked anymore, did someone have allready had this issue before02:54
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dick-richardsonI just flashed my n800 to the latest version, any reason I can ssh into the unit now?02:56
dick-richardson*can't :/02:56
jacquesbecause you wiped out your ssh install?02:57
dick-richardsonI reinstalled it...I'm getting a connection refused error02:57
jacquesoh, hmm02:57
jacqueslike it's not listening on port 22?02:57
jacquescan you check that on the n800? you have a terminal?02:58
dick-richardsonyep, how would I check02:58
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jacquesps -ef should tell you if the sshd (or dropbear if that's what you installed) is running02:58
jacquesnetstat -atn would tell if something is listening on port 2202:58
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dick-richardsonsshd is not running, I don't have /etc/ssh/sshd_config03:01
jacqueshmm, the deb should have installed that03:01
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dick-richardsonI can quick throw one in that says 'Port 22', correct?03:02
jacqueswell if that were the case an empty one would probably work, because that's the default03:03
jacquesbut I don't know if an empty one will work03:03
jacquesis there a sshd startup script in /etc/init.d ?03:04
jacquesmaybe it's just not being run03:04
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dick-richardsonthere is for ssh, not for sshd03:05
jacquesthe ssh one is for sshd03:06
jacquessince ssh isn't a daemon03:06
jacquesno need to have a startup script for it03:06
dick-richardsonyep, you're right03:06
jacquesdid you try /etc/init.d/ssh start (as root?)03:06
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dick-richardson'Privilege separation user sshd does not exist'03:07
jacquesinteresting, it seems like an incomplete install - postinstall script in deb sholda made that user03:08
jacquesand where is the sshd_config file? that too should have been installed03:08
dick-richardsoni ran 'touch /etc/ssh/sshd_config03:08
dick-richardsonthat's the install off
dick-richardsonwould dropbear be a better option?03:09
jacqueswell if you really want to do this manually, you can 'adduser sshd'03:09
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jacques(or is it useradd? I always forget since they both exist on some systems)03:10
dick-richardsonit's useradd, and it works now. thank you!03:11
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jacquesdick-richardson, you're welcome :-)03:14
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dick-richardsonalright, i'm trying to do a dist-upgrade and I'm getting an error between bsdutils and busybox - they both are trying to update /usr/bin/logger.03:24
jacquesyeah, I saw someone else mention that03:24
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jacquesdick-richardson, is this dist-upgrade on your n800 or in the maemo scratchbox?03:25
dick-richardsonso hold off for now?03:27
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jacquesdick-richardson, I didn't see if there was a resolution yet, sorry I have no advice on that one03:28
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BogBrothernetrek cow client running03:56
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TakI thought apt-get upgrade on the device was generally disastrous?05:28
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dick-richardsonhow do you mount samba shares with an n800?07:19
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chibiAcydi can't wait till gaim 2.0 is less buggy08:41
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jumpularobtaylor: please do10:38
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cesmanhello hello10:54
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konttoriHas anyone used chinese in pygame?11:02
konttoriI'm trying to get UK MP to support chinese album names, but font.render won't render them properly even with chinese font11:03
konttorion the console, the names are rendered correctly11:04
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pillarhello, I am trying to install maemo sdk, but it says something like this:11:21
pillarE: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.11:21
pillarE: Please check that user is member of the group specified in scratchbox11:21
pillarE: installation (default 'sbox').11:21
pillarE: Also start a new login terminal after adding group membership.11:21
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pillarI have added a new user, but I'm not sure what else I should do. I'm all new to this scratchbox and everything11:22
kulvetry "newgrp sbox" and then the login again11:23
kulveor restart your X11:23
pillarkulve: that did the trick, thank you11:24
|tbb|will postgresql available for n800 in near future, anyone planned it before11:28
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konttoritbb: isn't postgres a little heavy for such a device?11:48
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konttoriNew version focuses in support for non western languages, fixes a bug in shuffle mode and seems (subjectively) to retrieve more valid covers than previous versions12:08
melmoth_tbb i think sqlite is already ported (gpe calendar is using it as far as i recall)12:09
konttorimemoth_: true. So, as long as the need for sql db is not very complicated, sql lite is much better option than postgres.12:09
konttorittb: see
konttorifrom sqlite. org: SQLite 2.7.6 is significantly faster (sometimes as much as 10 or 20 times faster) than the default PostgreSQL 7.1.3 installation on RedHat 7.2 for most common operations.12:12
konttorisame source: SQLite 2.7.6 is often faster (sometimes more than twice as fast) than MySQL 3.23.41 for most common operations.12:13
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konttoriFor anyone interested in helping out with UK MP, I've uploaded the sources to svn.13:20
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konttoriHey, has anyone noticed the screen protector on N800? I mean that there is a plastic film over the screen.13:53
konttoriAt least mine has scratched like hell.13:53
mikemorrisonyeah mine too13:53
konttoriJust wondering if it would make sense to take it off13:53
mikemorrisonscratches really easily13:53
mikemorrisonmy brother took his off. i didn't want to take mine off. would rather have a scratched protector than a scratched screen13:54
konttoriAnd there is a removal / installation corner in the top middle of the screen partially under the cover.13:54
konttorimikemorrison: is the screen under the protector easily scratched?13:54
mikemorrisonwell i can imagine if your car keys came in contact with it it would. my brother said it doesn't get scratched from the stylus like the protector does though13:56
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konttorimikemorrison: at least that's good news. The screen protector seems to be just about the cheapest thing money can buy. I wonder if even sellofan would be better (just kidding)13:57
konttoriSo, it might make sense to buy a new one (e.g. psp protector) and install that in place of the current one.13:57
mikemorrisonhah. probably. yeah i couldn't believe how fast it got scrached. you can see almost every line put in it from the stylus13:58
mikemorrisonyeah for sure. i don't usually notice the scratches when the screen is bright though. but if i'm looking at a dark image or the screen is off it is quite noticeable13:59
konttorimikemorrison: Or - heaven forbid: use N800 accidentally outdoors. The scratches are pretty much the only thing you see.14:00
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konttoriAs I've been debugging UK Mp awfully lot, my screen is filled with strokes from up to down at all places of the screen ( for the smooth scrolling tests). They look awful outdoors14:00
mikemorrisonhah. yeah i bet. i haven't used mine outside too much yet - a few times in my car with maemo-mapper...14:01
mikemorrisonkonttori: did you give try quiver a try yet?14:02
konttoriNope.  Was about to though.14:03
konttoriDo you have the link?14:03
konttoriany shorter link?14:16
konttorioh, never mind14:16
konttorigot the install file and moved to n80014:16
mikemorrisonahh. does that work? can you click on it in the file manager and it will load the application manager?14:17
konttoridoing that now14:17
konttoriunable to install14:18
konttorimissing libossomime014:18
konttorican you add that to your repo?14:19
mikemorrisonreally? that's odd. and you have the n800?14:19
konttorifresh install14:20
mikemorrisonweird. i would figure any osso stuff would be in the base system14:20
konttorimaybe the dependency is wrong14:20
mikemorrisonso does it not install? or not run?14:21
konttoriIt won't install14:21
konttoriinstaller says unable to install14:21
konttoriunable to install quiver: applicationpackages missing: libossomime0 (>=1.8.2)14:22
mikemorrisonoh. i updated my scratchbox today. maybe it came with a newer version of that than what is on the fresh install. have you installed the latest OS update?14:23
konttoriI have the latest os on N80014:24
mikemorrisoncan you apt-get it?14:25
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konttoriwell, if you want to end-user fix it, it might be better to not to14:25
mikemorrisonusually if there is such a dependency the application manager will download it automatically.14:26
sp3000# apt-cache policy libossomime014:26
sp3000  Installed: 1.8.2-1kh14:26
sp3000  Candidate: 1.8.2-1kh14:26
sp3000  Version table:14:26
sp3000 *** 1.8.2-1kh 014:26
sp3000        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status14:26
sp3000     1.8.1-2 014:26
sp3000        500 bora/free Packages14:26
sp3000is what I see on my device14:26
mikemorrisonsp3000: yeah same here.14:27
mikemorrisonkonttori: do you have that repository in your catalog?14:29
sp3000konttori: you have 3.2007.10-7?14:29
* sp3000 doesn't like 'latest', people always miss moving targets like that14:29
konttoriNo, I don't have that repo in my catalog.14:29
konttoriYou might add that as an additional install file in your install page14:30
sp3000it doesn't appear to have >=1.8.2 so it wouldn't help14:30
mikemorrisonkonttori: yes, if that is the case i will add a 'click to install' for that repository to my page as well14:31
konttoriinstall works now with the added repo.14:31
konttoriYou might also consider just adding that package to your own repo.14:31
konttoriWould make installation easier14:31
konttoriInstalled just fine this time14:32
sp3000 apt-cache policy libossomime014:32
mikemorrisonyeah i don't really want to be duplicating repositories here.14:32
sp3000  Installed: 1.8.2-1kh14:32
sp3000  Candidate: 1.8.2-1kh14:32
sp3000  Version table:14:32
sp3000 *** 1.8.2-1kh 014:32
sp3000        500 bora/free Packages14:32
sp3000        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status14:32
sp3000     1.8.1-2 014:32
sp3000        500 bora/free Packages14:32
sp3000...after update :)14:32
sp3000so yeah now it does have >=1.8.214:32
konttoriwow. quiver seems to be terrific!14:33
konttoriYeah. Absolutely fantastic!14:34
mikemorrisonkonttori: so you added the additional repository and then it installed fine?14:34
konttoriautozoom would make it even better!14:34
mikemorrisonlike a 'fill screen' mode?14:35
konttoriwould at least fill all 4:3 images to fullscreen14:36
konttoriMaybe those superwide sreens would be better off as is14:36
konttoriOh yeah. Absolutely fantastic!14:37
mikemorrisoni will try to add that.. but probably not with any exceptions.14:38
konttoriWould be also cool if the first fullscreen press would switch to fullscreen with the left side thumbs and the next would switch to fullscreen image with no thumbs14:38
konttoriThat way you don't have to go to prefs to switch the thumbs on / off14:39
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mikemorrisonyeah. i've been trying to think of the best way to implement that... i also would like to have an easier way to turn the film strip on and off14:40
mikemorrisonyou can make the film strip thumbs a bit smaller too if you like (in the preferences)14:40
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konttorican you guys test the uk mp preview 17? Seems like at least some internet tablettalk user had problems with it. It plays fine on my music library. I would like to know if the switch to using utf8 in all internal stuff has created regression bugs.14:44
konttoriNeeds python. If you don't have, install from here:
* sp3000 rofl at the cover it picks up for the shipped tune14:51
mikemorrisonkonttori: i see it in the menu, but it doesn't launch when i click on it14:51
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rvalleshave you seen this?15:12
rvallesthis person just released a reverse-engineered flasher for the nokia internet tablets!15:13
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tigertthe interesting thing was the "save device flash to file" -part15:55
tigertmight be useful, I dont think our flasher does that even (or I didnt look much)15:55
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rvallesto me, the fact it is free is much more important16:09
rvallesI still cannot understand why the hell nokia won't make theirs free, directly, but I'm happy at least the community doesn't like to be bound by privative chains and released such thing.16:10
glassmight be licensing.. not theirs to give16:10
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glassspeaking of the devil16:12
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rvallesglass: that's the excuse they always use.16:15
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* pancake blames on rvalles 16:16
glassrvalles: yeah16:16
* rvalles blames on pancake 16:16
rvallespancake must be at fault16:16
rvallesyou know what a bunny does, with a pancake on its head?16:17
pancakeuhm.. time to dinner16:18
rvallespancake: I hope you mean "for lunch"16:19
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konttorimikemorrison: have you installed python (that has pygame)?16:43
konttoriI'll add that as a dependency soon (for the final release), but Haven't done that yet as I haven't been able to test that with python 2.5 (unable to install).16:45
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sp3000wfm fwiw afaict16:47
sp3000you can make a dependency with alternates if it works with both16:47
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konttorisp3000: it works on both, so that would be great. I just haven't been able to install python 2.5 myself, so I cannot test the .deb files dependencies for python 2.5.16:52
konttoriIf I write depends: python, will it handle both, or do I have to write depends: python2.4-runtime 0.2-2 as it states in the application installer?16:57
sp3000konttori: there doesn't seem to be a package named python17:04
sp3000apt-cahe show python2.5-runtime says it provides python-runtime (a virtual "package")17:04
konttoriAhh... so, 2.4 might have the same. I'll try to add that as a dependency and try installing. Thanks for the tip17:05
konttoriups. doesn't work17:06
konttorihow can I state the or option in depends?17:07
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sp3000grep Depends /var/lib/dpkg/status for examples :)17:09
konttoritesting now.17:10
sp3000is 2.4 available anywhere anymore?17:12
* sp3000 doesn't see it in any*/free/p/17:12
konttoriI've put together an install file for it17:12
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konttorias python 2.5 install file isn't working17:13
sp3000ah, right, there17:13
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konttorisp3000: thanks for the dependency help. Works now17:13
sp3000what about the 2.5 one fails?17:14
sp3000istr it working17:14
* sp3000 tests17:14
sp3000works for me, yeah17:17
sp3000to verify, the one you've tried is the one on
* sp3000 loves those search urls17:17
konttoriI think it was missing sme dependencies.17:18
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konttoriat least with only the repos that the install file stated.17:19
konttorii'm testing python 2.5 now17:20
konttoriall right. this time it's installing. Was probably a missing repo then17:21
konttoriWhich is not nice for the end users (like me).17:21
sp3000I checked apt-cache policy for all its direct dependencies, those at least are all available in bora extras which it configures17:22
konttorireally? Maybe they have fixed that recently. I think I've tried installing that just a few days ago17:22
konttorianyway, nice to be able to finally test it on 2.5. I wonder if it's any faster / more reliable.17:23
sp3000could have been some dependency further down17:24
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konttorihmm... rendering seems to be a bit snappier than on 2.417:26
konttoriwell, not much. but *maybe* just a bit17:27
konttorianyway, the dependency stuff worked brilliantly for 2.4 and 2.5. So, thank you very much sp3000!17:29
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konttoriContains dependencies. Might fix a problem opening the app.17:33
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Appearshi, i' ve got some question, I want to flash my nokia770 and when I want to flash it over usb, some error comes, and it says, "Unsupported board (id = 0x000)".Any idea, how I can flash that device now?I am using ubuntu..i also tried it whit kubuntu, but always this error comes :(17:36
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AppearsNo idea, how I could flash that device?...17:40
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sp3000Appears: what does /proc/component_version on the device say?17:47
konttoriDo you have a usb hub?17:47
konttoriYou need to plug usb cable  directly to the computer17:47
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Appearskonttory I havent an usb hub its directly to the pc connected17:49
Appearssp3000 the problem is, the device got an WSOD..I cant browse the device...and I cant see anything on the screen..17:50
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konttorican you see the usb icon on top right corner when you try to start flashing?17:53
sp3000have you flashed it before?17:53
Appearssp3000 it was flashed before in some nokia shop yes, I can see, that it waits at bootup for an command from usb17:54
konttoriat least that's good news. Maybe you could try re-flashing from a different pc if you can't find a fix soon.17:55
Appearsthe problem was, i got some white screen of death, now i want to fix it..I know that I can unbrick it, over some special serial port(but I dont know the port), so for this, i first must flash it, than enable R&D mode, than an cold flash, than I must contact the right port , and than it *should* work again17:55
konttoriAppears: sounds like quite complicated procedure. won't a simple reflash do it?17:59
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Appearskontorry thats the problem..I flashed it, than it was like friend in a nokia support center flashed it for me too, and now comes this message with this unsupported device...but than I found out, I could bring all back to normal , when I could find that special port to activate..but I am quite searching, which port It is meant...18:02
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kaatisAppears, do you have the correct image file? for 770 the image filename should start with 'SU-18'18:14
AppearsYes kaatis I got the right image file..18:20
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MDKjobi: ping18:32
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dirkvsalut mes amis18:46
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Pupnikanybody here ever play netrek?19:00
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Pupniki've got a netrek client almost working on the 770, but i could use some feedback about ui rearrangement19:02
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Ahpuchow would the controls work for netrek? it normally uses a lot of mouse buttons and plus the keyboard19:23
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PupnikAhpuc: yes, i'm looking at onscreen icons for the keyboard commands, then left hand buttons for firing/shields19:30
Pupnikbut it would be very difficult - right now using a bluetooth keyboard19:30
Pupnikactuarlly i don't think it would be "very difficult".  the fast response commands would be limited19:33
Pupnikto fire torps, hold dpad center and tap screen, fire phasers=hold "-" key and tap screen19:34
Pupnikshields on/off could be left/right on dpad19:34
Sonej^Is there a working Kismet for the n800?19:35
Ahpucsoft buttons for a lot of the functionality will probably work, how are you currently outputing the chat text? is it just crammed into one of the corners?19:37
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PupnikAhpuc: the tactical main view is on the left at full height (474x474) the galaxy view is upper right and chat/status windows crammed under that19:40
Pupnikhave to redo the entire ship status display to a vertical bar to the left of the galaxy view19:41
Pupnikinitial release will be for bt keyboard only though19:41
Pupnikthis is a variant of the 'cow' client btw, the others were too outdated to even compile19:42
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Ahpucholding a hatdware button and using the touch should work fairly well19:48
SuperMartyis someone playing the hunting game on ?19:49
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mgedmininz: how do I build osso-xterm from a subversion checkout?19:59
mgedmindpkg-buildpackage complains about missing ./configure19:59
mgedminmy autofoo is a bit rusty, so I don't remember how to generate all that stuff autotools need20:00
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mgedminautoreconf gives me some of it, but not all20:00
* mgedmin is used with packages whipping with ./ that runs all those black magic autotools commands to produce a working ./configure20:01
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Pupnik\o/ done!20:03
Pupnikcross compiled, packaged and installed netris (networked tetris) to the nokia 770 in 12 minutes20:03
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Takaclocal && automake --gnu && autoconf ?20:05
mgedmindoesn't quite cut it20:07
partgrab source package from debian, compile, install20:07
mgedminI get a configure, but20:07
mgedminconfigure: error: cannot find install-sh or in . ./.. ./../..20:07
mgedminpart: that's what I did in the end20:07
mgedminstill, it would be nice to learn to use autotools20:08
* mgedmin is trying to fix
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Taksteal the from another package? ;-)20:14
mgedminof course I had to forget to pass the terminating NULL to g_strconcat20:17
mgedminyay!  I fixed it20:17
mgedminookay, how do attach the patch to the bug?20:19
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svuhow would I start the initial setup wizard on n800?20:48
danielsisn't it just start-up-wizard or something?20:48
danielsyou can touch /home/user/first-boot-flag and /home/user/.suw-first-run or something to get everything to run again20:49
danielsgrep /etc/init.d or /etc/osso-af-init (god that thing is a fucking nightmare) for first20:49
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svudaniels, ok, thanks. it should be enough20:52
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MDKdaniels: we should create an anti-nightmare ninja team21:24
MDKto fight wipe the nightmares of the platform21:25
danielsit's going to take me many more years to finish fighting x's nightmares, let alone maemo's ...21:25
MDKwell, we can always shovel some of them under the carpet21:26
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MDKoops. Apparently we already did that.21:26
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jacquesseems to me there are hardware design nightmares at work too21:27
jacques1/3 the lcd bus bandwidth of the n700? I mean surely that wasn't intentional21:28
danielsMDK: if i manage to kill dsme with a combination of the x server/screensaver and ndm, i'll be very, very happy21:28
jacquesn770 that is21:28
MDKjacques: weeeeeellll...21:29
danielsjacques: no, it wasn't; it was designed to have almost exactly the same bandwidth for rfbi as sossi, but apparently this was never really tested21:29
danielsjacques: c'est la view21:29
jacquesnever. really. tested.21:29
danielsjacques: it'd be dull if everything worked as you expected (this video card i'm writing a driver for right now costs about €200, and the video bios still locks up _all the time_).  so it's nice and exciting.  keeps you on your toes.21:30
jacquesif I wasn't in the hardware design/manufacturing industry, I would probably find that improbable :-)21:30
* suihkulokki <3 TI21:30
MDK15fps should be enough for everbody21:31
mgedminwhy do you need fps if there aren't any codecs anyway?21:31
kulvethat new upgrade to n800 show videos pretty ok. I've done some small testing with theora-videos..21:32
danielsmgedmin: why would you want to play any other video than the n93 promo?21:32
danielsmgedmin: i have literally seen that thousands of times, and now seeing an n93 just makes me want to stab someone21:32
mgedminooh, that one is good21:32
MDKwell, I'm talking about reasonable raw drawing speed21:32
* mgedmin goes to review it again21:32
MDKdaniel will say it's actually more than 15fps,21:32
mgedminthe new os image comes with the N800 ad instead21:33
MDKbut in my experience stuff starts to look ugly when going above 1521:33
danielsMDK: i can't remember the raw figures for full-screen rgb updates21:33
danielsmgedmin: yeah, i try to hold off upgrading the rootfs as much as i can, so after like two months of staring at the n93 video day in, day out, i discovered that they'd changed it for an n800 ad.21:34
danielsoh well, time to go get dinner21:34
jacqueshave a good one21:34
danielsif you hear news about any violent murders in helsinki, that means some middle-aged dude with a goatee was on the street filming himself saying 'all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players'21:35
danielsjacques: you too21:35
suihkulokkimgedmin: a consumer device will never support *all* the warezy codecs floating around21:35
mgedminsuihkulokki: that was more tongue-in-cheek than a real complaint21:35
MDKdaniels: haha21:36
suihkulokkiok :)21:36
MDKdaniels: btw, that comes from my friend shakespeare21:36
mgedminsomeone decided to play a first-person-shooter :)21:36
MDKhe's a pretty violent guy too21:36
MDKfortunately only on paper21:36
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danielsMDK: on political compass, i scored to the bottom-left of mahatma gandhi.  ergo, clearly non-violent.21:38
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MDKdaniels: a bit of gtk treeview questions, a dozen of composite-clueless people and some 'why cairo sucks on our xserver' will trigger the beast in EVERYONE21:41
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Pupniktranscoding for the win21:47
Pupniknetrek UI re-layouting 60% done21:47
Takbtw, videos transcoded for the 770 *still* hang on the n800 after update21:47
MDKjobi: ping21:47
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JaffaTak: I've watched a full-length Firefly and BSG encoded with 770-encode's "best" setting with no pauses; although going to full screen is a painful experience now, but you only do that once per movie ;-)22:14
Pupnikthe mpeg4 is a nice compromise btwn decoding speed and compression22:18
Pupniknever got xvid to play back fluidly on 770 but who cares, i transcode22:18
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danielsMDK: heh.  luckily anyone who asks about treeview gets sent to the other part of the building; the place with the wii and the friendly gtk people.22:23
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MDKhmm, not so much of them recently22:30
MDKI think the razor blades in the corridor are working22:30
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tkoeither that or people might actually be learning22:33
tkoor efficiently distracted by the wii :)22:33
danielstko: that reminds me, i have to update my 'stupid things to do with x' page, and probably move it to the external wiki too22:35
danielsneed to add a 'no, you cannot optimise fbCompositeGeneral, really, i'm not kidding, just make sure it never gets called' bullet point for our performance team22:35
MDKtko: we need to setup PSP3 station before our office22:35
MDKtko: that should finnish of those who pass the razor blades and wii22:35
danielsi haven't played the wii for a while now.  should fix that.22:36
tkoMDK: have you noticed the xbox? but I suppose that's old by now22:36
danielstko: do we have any other games for the 360 yet?22:36
danielstko: guillem and i have already finished every level, got perfect runs on the first half of them, and got every car except two22:37
tkodaniels: no idea. I don't recall seeing it even powered on since the move22:37
daniels(on burnout revenge)22:37
danielsso motivation to play it is low :)22:37
mikemorrisonsay, speaking of treeview, why does the scrollbar position mess up when i set a new model on my treeview?22:37
daniels'since the move' == 'since you stole it from core's kitchenette' ;)22:37
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danielsmikemorrison: tko will fix it for you22:37
tkodaniels: something like that. why don't you pick it up22:38
tko(I've no idea how it got to our place)22:38
tkore treeview, must be user error :-P22:38
danielstko: i don't know if we even have a tv in our kitchen now22:39
danielstko: plus, your projector is nicer.  need to work out a way to shut the lights off tho.22:39
tkodaniels: do you have a kitchen?22:39
tkoyeah, the lights suck22:39
danielstko: yeah, between us and multimedia.  usually filled with multimedia guys talking about video stuff, so i try to avoid it lest someone blame me for anything.22:39
tkoI tried some of the switched one day but they didn't seem to do anything22:39
mikemorrisontko: i call gtk_tree_view_set_model then gtk_tree_view_expand_all. the scrollbar goes to the end. but sometimes the treeview actually draws the stuff that is supposed to be at the top of the treeview. it's messed!22:40
tkomikemorrison: it's possible, I blame kris for all treeview problems :)22:40
tkoshould be better in 2.1022:40
mikemorrisontko: yes it is. it's not an issue for me in edgy.22:41
melmoth_Talking about treeviews problem...22:41
melmoth_am i the only one experiencing segfault when filling a model a second time ?22:41
mikemorrisonwhen will we get 2.10?22:41
melmoth_(i m using pygtk and python2.5 on bora3.1 btw)22:41
mikemorrisontko: so you figure there's no work around for 2.6? i even tried setting the scrollbar position after calling those two functions but it didn't work. some of the set_model or expand_all stuff must happen in an idle function?22:44
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tko2.10 is in sardine, so you can pick it up already. or wait until sardine gets claimed "stable"22:44
tkomikemorrison: don't really know, I can't recall that kind of problem before22:45
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mikemorrisondoes anyone know much about maemo repository? dpkg-scansources does not output the Maemo-Icon-26 field (for the Packages file). is there a tool to do this?22:51
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qgilhi maemo 247ers, just in case you are interested I have introduced a little more detail in the status of the SoC projects. See
tkomikemorrison: you need to put the X<something>-Maemo-Icon-26 in your debian/control file and it *should* end up in the Packages file (haven't tested it though)22:54
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partmikemorrison: looks like it would be simple to get dpkg-scanpackages to list that22:55
mgedminsurely dpkg-scansources doesn't touch the Packages file?  dpkg-scanpackages does that22:55
mgedminand it appears to pass through the Maemo-Icon field just fine22:55
tkooh, that too :)22:56
mgedmin... or maybe it doesn't22:56
* mgedmin greps22:56
mikemorrisonmgedmin: sorry, yes i mean dpkg-scanpackages22:56
tkoapt-ftparchive might be worth trying too22:56
TakJaffa: I'll try a couple of different videos, but mine seem to be freezing after ~30s22:56
mgedminI keep my repository in subversion, and I seem to remember long base64 fields in the Packages files I saw in diffs when I comitted...22:56
mikemorrisontko: i have made my own repository. and no, dpkg-scanpackages doesn't output that field22:57
mgedminmy greps all came up empty :/22:57
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partmikemorrison: from the looks of it, adding the header names to the array fieldpri, defined on line 24, would do the trick22:58
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partmikemorrison: in dpkg-scanpackages, that is22:58
tkogo googlemaps - "Swim across the Atlantic Ocean - 3,462 mi"22:59
mgedminaha, I see maemo-icon-26: in one older version of my packages file (go svn!)23:00
mgedminI suspect the difference is that sometimes I use dpkg-scanpackages from ubuntu (laptop) and sometimes from debian stable (server)23:00
mgedminthe ubuntu one ignores maemo-icon fields23:00
mgedminalso the ubuntu one liked to add broken empty "Depends:" and "Sugests:" lines that made the 770 app installer unhappy23:01
mikemorrisonahh.. ok. i was just wondering if there was an 'official' way of getting it in. i have made a small script to put it in so i guess i'll just keep using that23:02
mgedminworking version: 1.10.28, "broken" version: 1.13.22ubuntu723:02
tkoI suppose you could also use the one in maemo :)23:02
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mikemorrisonit doesn't output it either23:05
danielstko: yeah, the driving directions to stockholm are great as well23:06
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danielstko: it's got all the ferry routes on there, so you get great directions like 'Turn left on to Stockholm-Mariehamn-Turku Viking Line, 5km; turn right on to Stockholm-Mariehamn-Helsinki Silja Line, 7km', ad nauseum.23:07
mgedminwhat if I don't turn at the right time and the ferry moves on without me?23:07
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danielsmgedmin: i'd actually like to see that ferry hopping23:08
mgedminoh, there's hopping involved?23:09
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mgedminI though it indicated every change of direction of the ferry line23:10
danielsmgedmin: no, it actually tells you to move between different routes operated by different ferry routes23:10
mgedmin"just like on TV" :)23:11
danielsah, damn, it's far more sensible now, just sticks to one line23:12
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* Pupnik ~stabs~ .xtrekrc23:20
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* konttori finally completed the tax report. Phew!23:35
konttoriWhat a better way to waste sunday23:35
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pillarI have installed scratchbox and maemo sdk, but when I try to run fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit on sbox-SDK_ARMEL I get /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set23:47
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pillardoes anyone know how to make it work?23:49
florianpillar: use sb-conf to set the transparency method23:50
mk8Sorry to all, I try to write a small application to make some test using Modal Window but seems not work properly.23:52
mk8My device is N80023:52
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pillarfloarian: ok, it says --cputransp=<METHOD> , what should I put on the method?23:53
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florianpillar: iirc it gives you a list if you don't specify any23:53
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pillarfloarian: ok, got the list.. but I'm still confused about this whole environment. Is this ARM meant to compile it to the actual device? Do I base my choice on that? If so, what would be the right choice for N800?23:56

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