| kulve | and the docs didn't really help | 00:00 |
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| mikemorrison | i just tried it and it seems to work (not that i can test that well in the scratchbox though without the file manager) | 00:02 |
| mikemorrison | i run this: run-standalone.sh dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.yi.mike.quiver /usr/bin/quiver org.yi.mike.quiver.mime_open string:file:///home/mike/pics/ | 00:03 |
| kulve | dbus directly or osso? | 00:03 |
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| mikemorrison | osso. | 00:03 |
| mikemorrison | and i have a printf in the callback. it prints this: MIME CB: file:///home/mike/pics/ | 00:04 |
| kulve | I did get the osso_mime_set_cb working only if my app was already running. If it wasn't, it was just started, but it didn't get the flies.. | 00:04 |
| kulve | files | 00:04 |
| mikemorrison | following that , there is another message: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "mime_open" with signature "s" on interface "org.yi.mike.quiver" doesn't exist | 00:04 |
| mikemorrison | that dbus message seems funny because it all seems to work.. | 00:05 |
| mikemorrison | my callback gets called every time i run that dbus-send command (even if the app is not already open) | 00:06 |
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| BogBrother | i have a possibly simple or stupid question | 00:13 |
| BogBrother | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d | 00:13 |
| BogBrother | dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported. | 00:13 |
| BogBrother | is there a workaround to build libraries that expect debhelper > 5? | 00:14 |
| kulve | BogBrother: usually that can be "fixed" by changing debian/compat to 4 and required debhelper to 4 | 00:14 |
| kulve | but that ofc may not work for packages really requiring deblpher 5 | 00:14 |
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| BogBrother | ok thanks | 00:15 |
| BogBrother | got me past that error at least :) | 00:15 |
| BogBrother | >stampdir/patch | 00:15 |
| BogBrother | Couldn't find quilt. Please install it or add it to the build-depends for this package. | 00:15 |
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| BogBrother | hrm | 00:15 |
| Guest488 | hi. | 00:15 |
| Guest488 | what the? | 00:15 |
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| czr800 | any idea why the fm-radioapp isn't installed by default? | 00:16 |
| kulve | don't the new sdk support quilt? | 00:16 |
| kulve | ie. have it preinstalled | 00:16 |
| kulve | or at least installable | 00:16 |
| BogBrother | apt-cache search quit shows nothing | 00:16 |
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| Guest442 | much better | 00:16 |
| Guest442 | or not... | 00:16 |
| BogBrother | ah i see it in regular debian sid, but not with mistral | 00:16 |
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| kulve | BogBrother: get the debian version and remove the doc stuff. They depend on roughly the whole world.. | 00:17 |
| kulve | but I'm off | 00:17 |
| BogBrother | thank you very much for the tips kulve | 00:17 |
| BogBrother | cu | 00:17 |
| Knowledge | does anyone know how I could format my SD card so that the maps from google don't take that much room? | 00:18 |
| konttori | Knowledge: What sizes are they currently in? | 00:19 |
| Knowledge | I don't know. | 00:19 |
| Knowledge | oh wait, the maps or the SD? cause I haven't downloaded the maps yet, I can't find winmapper anymore | 00:20 |
| konttori | One map image. how much large is it? | 00:20 |
| Knowledge | I have no clue, couple of bytes?.. | 00:20 |
| konttori | you me couple of kb? | 00:20 |
| Knowledge | hmm...probably | 00:21 |
| Knowledge | does anyone have a copy of winmapper? or know where I could get it? | 00:21 |
| * nelson is away: In Mumbai until 4/11 | 00:23 | |
| konttori | What I mean is, that in Fat32, minimum cluster size for <8 GB cards is 4 kilobytes. So, if images take less than 4, then they *ACTUALLY* take always 4 kb. If image size is less than 2 kb, then this might be considered ineffective, but if it's something between 2-4 then it doesn't matter that much. | 00:23 |
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| konttori | Not minimum, I meant default cluster size. | 00:23 |
| konttori | (although it might also be minimum) - I'm not sure | 00:23 |
| konttori | ok. Just checked google maps image size. 16 kb. So, there is no need to worry about ineffective blocks. | 00:26 |
| konttori | Just format as fat32 and don't worry about it. | 00:26 |
| Knowledge | cool, thanks konttori | 00:26 |
| konttori | np | 00:27 |
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| BogBrother | "building quilt without quilt is good for autobuilders only, not for humans." | 00:36 |
| BogBrother | dependency hell-oooo | 00:37 |
| konttori | BogBrother: Did you and Tak have any success today with picodrive? | 00:37 |
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| BogBrother | didn't see him... i don't even know how to build picodrive yet | 00:37 |
| BogBrother | working on netrek right now | 00:37 |
| konttori | ahh... nice. SO, was Tak working on pico by himself? | 00:38 |
| konttori | How is netrek going? | 00:38 |
| BogBrother | i'm bogged down building dependencies right now, but cow should be working as soon as i can get quilt, libxxf86vm, x11proto-xf86vidmode running, and then the kde dependencies out | 00:39 |
| BogBrother | cow = sdl netrek client | 00:39 |
| daniels | what do you need libxxf86vm for? | 00:39 |
| daniels | it won't work on the device at all | 00:39 |
| konttori | so, you have to rebuild th gui? | 00:40 |
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| BogBrother | ok thx daniels | 00:40 |
| daniels | np | 00:40 |
| BogBrother | konttori: the gui will be broken initially yes | 00:41 |
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| Tak | I'm not exactly "working on" picodrive | 00:47 |
| Tak | I spent about an hour trying to build it, then gave up | 00:47 |
| konttori | Tak: Ahh... Didn't get too far then, I presume. | 00:48 |
| Tak | well - I got it to build up to the linking phase | 00:48 |
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| Tak | but it wouldn't link any of the assembled objects | 00:48 |
| sbaturzio | aloha! | 00:48 |
| Tak | s/assembled/built from assembly code/ | 00:49 |
| konttori | Tak: Sounds pretty good. Why do you think it had problems with the asm parts? Did you compile for ARM target? | 00:49 |
| Tak | yes | 00:49 |
| konttori | Ahh... Sad. Was the port based on linux source? | 00:50 |
| Tak | I don't know enough about arm hardware, but it seemed like they were using a different abi or something | 00:50 |
| Tak | yeah, linux port | 00:50 |
| Tak | it was the code from the gp2x port | 00:50 |
| BogBrother | Tak, i've got the following in my picodrive dir | 00:51 |
| BogBrother | branches solutions tags trunk | 00:51 |
| konttori | Tak: I wonder if the changes in the abi are small enough to be changed easily. Anyway, I hope someone can help with that part. | 00:51 |
| BogBrother | ls arm9/ | 00:52 |
| BogBrother | Makefile source | 00:52 |
| * Tak shrugs | 00:52 | |
| BogBrother | du -s arm9 / 7840 arm9 | 00:53 |
| BogBrother | does that look like the right source dir? | 00:53 |
| Tak | I don't remember tbh | 00:53 |
| BogBrother | ok do you remember this? | 00:53 |
| BogBrother | make | 00:53 |
| BogBrother | Makefile:5: *** "Please set DEVKITARM in your environment. export DEVKITARM=<path to>devkitARM. Stop. | 00:53 |
| Tak | I'm pretty sure I got a tarball, not an svn checkout | 00:53 |
| Tak | that probably isn't what I haad | 00:53 |
| BogBrother | couldn't find a tarball | 00:53 |
| Tak | I didn't have to do that | 00:53 |
| BogBrother | ok thx | 00:54 |
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| Tak | meh, I know there's an imagemagick deb somewhere | 00:58 |
| Tak | anyone happen to know where? | 00:58 |
| BogBrother | couldn't find it | 01:03 |
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| robtaylor | jumpula: that'd be cool, i'll play with darcs head for now, and let you know how it goes, if you want.. | 01:04 |
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| BogBrother | here are some arm-optimized emus with sources http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,2,0,46 | 01:08 |
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| Tak | yeah, I found picodrive in the first place browsing around gp2x apps | 01:10 |
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| BogBrother | found the picodrive .rar | 01:14 |
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| mikemorrison | kulve: you still there? | 01:29 |
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| sbaturzio | is there around a list of GPS with bluetooth working with Maemo Mapper? | 01:37 |
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| BogBrother | har! quilt partially installed though i have NO IDEA what i am doing | 01:49 |
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| robtaylor | jamey: btw, that deb was borken :/ | 02:03 |
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| BogBrother | netrek cow compiled! | 02:26 |
| BogBrother | \o/ | 02:26 |
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| mikemorrison | who wants to try my image viewer? | 02:33 |
| mikemorrison | http://mike.yi.org/projects/quiver/wiki/QuiverForMaemo | 02:34 |
| chibiAcyd | installing it now | 02:35 |
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| chibiAcyd | looks pretty good. | 02:40 |
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| |tbb|_ | i found out if i locked my n800 via menu locking screen and keyboard and plug in ac adapter then the screen isnt locked anymore, did someone have allready had this issue before | 02:54 |
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| dick-richardson | I just flashed my n800 to the latest version, any reason I can ssh into the unit now? | 02:56 |
| dick-richardson | *can | 02:56 |
| dick-richardson | *can't :/ | 02:56 |
| jacques | because you wiped out your ssh install? | 02:57 |
| dick-richardson | I reinstalled it...I'm getting a connection refused error | 02:57 |
| jacques | oh, hmm | 02:57 |
| jacques | like it's not listening on port 22? | 02:57 |
| dick-richardson | exactly | 02:58 |
| jacques | can you check that on the n800? you have a terminal? | 02:58 |
| dick-richardson | yep, how would I check | 02:58 |
| dick-richardson | ? | 02:58 |
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| jacques | ps -ef should tell you if the sshd (or dropbear if that's what you installed) is running | 02:58 |
| jacques | netstat -atn would tell if something is listening on port 22 | 02:58 |
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| dick-richardson | sshd is not running, I don't have /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 03:01 |
| jacques | hmm, the deb should have installed that | 03:01 |
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| dick-richardson | I can quick throw one in that says 'Port 22', correct? | 03:02 |
| jacques | well if that were the case an empty one would probably work, because that's the default | 03:03 |
| jacques | but I don't know if an empty one will work | 03:03 |
| jacques | is there a sshd startup script in /etc/init.d ? | 03:04 |
| jacques | maybe it's just not being run | 03:04 |
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| dick-richardson | there is for ssh, not for sshd | 03:05 |
| jacques | the ssh one is for sshd | 03:06 |
| jacques | since ssh isn't a daemon | 03:06 |
| jacques | no need to have a startup script for it | 03:06 |
| dick-richardson | yep, you're right | 03:06 |
| jacques | did you try /etc/init.d/ssh start (as root?) | 03:06 |
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| dick-richardson | 'Privilege separation user sshd does not exist' | 03:07 |
| jacques | interesting, it seems like an incomplete install - postinstall script in deb sholda made that user | 03:08 |
| jacques | and where is the sshd_config file? that too should have been installed | 03:08 |
| dick-richardson | i ran 'touch /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 03:08 |
| dick-richardson | that's the install off http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 03:09 |
| dick-richardson | would dropbear be a better option? | 03:09 |
| jacques | well if you really want to do this manually, you can 'adduser sshd' | 03:09 |
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| dick-richardson | kk | 03:10 |
| jacques | (or is it useradd? I always forget since they both exist on some systems) | 03:10 |
| dick-richardson | it's useradd, and it works now. thank you! | 03:11 |
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| jacques | dick-richardson, you're welcome :-) | 03:14 |
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| dick-richardson | alright, i'm trying to do a dist-upgrade and I'm getting an error between bsdutils and busybox - they both are trying to update /usr/bin/logger. | 03:24 |
| jacques | yeah, I saw someone else mention that | 03:24 |
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| jacques | dick-richardson, is this dist-upgrade on your n800 or in the maemo scratchbox? | 03:25 |
| dick-richardson | n800 | 03:25 |
| dick-richardson | so hold off for now? | 03:27 |
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| jacques | dick-richardson, I didn't see if there was a resolution yet, sorry I have no advice on that one | 03:28 |
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| BogBrother | netrek cow client running | 03:56 |
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| Tak | I thought apt-get upgrade on the device was generally disastrous? | 05:28 |
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| dick-richardson | how do you mount samba shares with an n800? | 07:19 |
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| chibiAcyd | i can't wait till gaim 2.0 is less buggy | 08:41 |
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| jumpula | robtaylor: please do | 10:38 |
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| cesman | hello hello | 10:54 |
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| konttori | Has anyone used chinese in pygame? | 11:02 |
| konttori | I'm trying to get UK MP to support chinese album names, but font.render won't render them properly even with chinese font | 11:03 |
| konttori | on the console, the names are rendered correctly | 11:04 |
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| pillar | hello, I am trying to install maemo sdk, but it says something like this: | 11:21 |
| pillar | E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user. | 11:21 |
| pillar | E: Please check that user is member of the group specified in scratchbox | 11:21 |
| pillar | E: installation (default 'sbox'). | 11:21 |
| pillar | E: Also start a new login terminal after adding group membership. | 11:21 |
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| pillar | I have added a new user, but I'm not sure what else I should do. I'm all new to this scratchbox and everything | 11:22 |
| kulve | try "newgrp sbox" and then the login again | 11:23 |
| kulve | or restart your X | 11:23 |
| pillar | kulve: that did the trick, thank you | 11:24 |
| |tbb| | will postgresql available for n800 in near future, anyone planned it before | 11:28 |
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| konttori | tbb: isn't postgres a little heavy for such a device? | 11:48 |
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| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1188/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview17.deb | 12:07 |
| konttori | New version focuses in support for non western languages, fixes a bug in shuffle mode and seems (subjectively) to retrieve more valid covers than previous versions | 12:08 |
| melmoth_ | tbb i think sqlite is already ported (gpe calendar is using it as far as i recall) | 12:09 |
| konttori | memoth_: true. So, as long as the need for sql db is not very complicated, sql lite is much better option than postgres. | 12:09 |
| konttori | ttb: see http://www.sqlite.org/ | 12:10 |
| konttori | from sqlite. org: SQLite 2.7.6 is significantly faster (sometimes as much as 10 or 20 times faster) than the default PostgreSQL 7.1.3 installation on RedHat 7.2 for most common operations. | 12:12 |
| konttori | same source: SQLite 2.7.6 is often faster (sometimes more than twice as fast) than MySQL 3.23.41 for most common operations. | 12:13 |
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| konttori | For anyone interested in helping out with UK MP, I've uploaded the sources to svn. | 13:20 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ukmp/ | 13:20 |
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| konttori | Hey, has anyone noticed the screen protector on N800? I mean that there is a plastic film over the screen. | 13:53 |
| konttori | At least mine has scratched like hell. | 13:53 |
| mikemorrison | yeah mine too | 13:53 |
| konttori | Just wondering if it would make sense to take it off | 13:53 |
| mikemorrison | scratches really easily | 13:53 |
| mikemorrison | my brother took his off. i didn't want to take mine off. would rather have a scratched protector than a scratched screen | 13:54 |
| konttori | And there is a removal / installation corner in the top middle of the screen partially under the cover. | 13:54 |
| konttori | mikemorrison: is the screen under the protector easily scratched? | 13:54 |
| mikemorrison | well i can imagine if your car keys came in contact with it it would. my brother said it doesn't get scratched from the stylus like the protector does though | 13:56 |
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| konttori | mikemorrison: at least that's good news. The screen protector seems to be just about the cheapest thing money can buy. I wonder if even sellofan would be better (just kidding) | 13:57 |
| konttori | So, it might make sense to buy a new one (e.g. psp protector) and install that in place of the current one. | 13:57 |
| mikemorrison | hah. probably. yeah i couldn't believe how fast it got scrached. you can see almost every line put in it from the stylus | 13:58 |
| mikemorrison | yeah for sure. i don't usually notice the scratches when the screen is bright though. but if i'm looking at a dark image or the screen is off it is quite noticeable | 13:59 |
| konttori | mikemorrison: Or - heaven forbid: use N800 accidentally outdoors. The scratches are pretty much the only thing you see. | 14:00 |
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| konttori | As I've been debugging UK Mp awfully lot, my screen is filled with strokes from up to down at all places of the screen ( for the smooth scrolling tests). They look awful outdoors | 14:00 |
| mikemorrison | hah. yeah i bet. i haven't used mine outside too much yet - a few times in my car with maemo-mapper... | 14:01 |
| mikemorrison | konttori: did you give try quiver a try yet? | 14:02 |
| konttori | Nope. Was about to though. | 14:03 |
| konttori | Do you have the link? | 14:03 |
| mikemorrison | http://mike.yi.org/projects/quiver/wiki/QuiverForMaemo | 14:03 |
| konttori | any shorter link? | 14:16 |
| konttori | oh, never mind | 14:16 |
| konttori | got the install file and moved to n800 | 14:16 |
| mikemorrison | ahh. does that work? can you click on it in the file manager and it will load the application manager? | 14:17 |
| konttori | doing that now | 14:17 |
| konttori | unable to install | 14:18 |
| konttori | missing libossomime0 | 14:18 |
| konttori | can you add that to your repo? | 14:19 |
| mikemorrison | really? that's odd. and you have the n800? | 14:19 |
| konttori | yeah | 14:20 |
| konttori | fresh install | 14:20 |
| mikemorrison | weird. i would figure any osso stuff would be in the base system | 14:20 |
| konttori | maybe the dependency is wrong | 14:20 |
| mikemorrison | so does it not install? or not run? | 14:21 |
| konttori | It won't install | 14:21 |
| konttori | installer says unable to install | 14:21 |
| konttori | unable to install quiver: applicationpackages missing: libossomime0 (>=1.8.2) | 14:22 |
| mikemorrison | oh. i updated my scratchbox today. maybe it came with a newer version of that than what is on the fresh install. have you installed the latest OS update? | 14:23 |
| konttori | yeah | 14:24 |
| konttori | I have the latest os on N800 | 14:24 |
| mikemorrison | can you apt-get it? | 14:25 |
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| konttori | well, if you want to end-user fix it, it might be better to not to | 14:25 |
| mikemorrison | usually if there is such a dependency the application manager will download it automatically. | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | # apt-cache policy libossomime0 | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | libossomime0: | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | Installed: 1.8.2-1kh | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | Candidate: 1.8.2-1kh | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | Version table: | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | *** 1.8.2-1kh 0 | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | 1.8.1-2 0 | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 14:26 |
| sp3000 | is what I see on my device | 14:26 |
| mikemorrison | sp3000: yeah same here. | 14:27 |
| mikemorrison | konttori: do you have that repository in your catalog? | 14:29 |
| sp3000 | konttori: you have 3.2007.10-7? | 14:29 |
| * sp3000 doesn't like 'latest', people always miss moving targets like that | 14:29 | |
| konttori | yeah | 14:29 |
| sp3000 | s/always/often/ | 14:29 |
| konttori | No, I don't have that repo in my catalog. | 14:29 |
| konttori | You might add that as an additional install file in your install page | 14:30 |
| sp3000 | it doesn't appear to have >=1.8.2 so it wouldn't help | 14:30 |
| mikemorrison | konttori: yes, if that is the case i will add a 'click to install' for that repository to my page as well | 14:31 |
| konttori | install works now with the added repo. | 14:31 |
| konttori | You might also consider just adding that package to your own repo. | 14:31 |
| konttori | Would make installation easier | 14:31 |
| sp3000 | oh | 14:32 |
| konttori | Installed just fine this time | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | apt-cache policy libossomime0 | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | libossomime0: | 14:32 |
| mikemorrison | yeah i don't really want to be duplicating repositories here. | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | Installed: 1.8.2-1kh | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | Candidate: 1.8.2-1kh | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | Version table: | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | *** 1.8.2-1kh 0 | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | 1.8.1-2 0 | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | ...after update :) | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | so yeah now it does have >=1.8.2 | 14:32 |
| konttori | wow. quiver seems to be terrific! | 14:33 |
| konttori | Yeah. Absolutely fantastic! | 14:34 |
| mikemorrison | konttori: so you added the additional repository and then it installed fine? | 14:34 |
| konttori | yeah | 14:34 |
| konttori | autozoom would make it even better! | 14:34 |
| mikemorrison | like a 'fill screen' mode? | 14:35 |
| konttori | yeah | 14:36 |
| konttori | would at least fill all 4:3 images to fullscreen | 14:36 |
| konttori | Maybe those superwide sreens would be better off as is | 14:36 |
| konttori | Oh yeah. Absolutely fantastic! | 14:37 |
| mikemorrison | i will try to add that.. but probably not with any exceptions. | 14:38 |
| konttori | Would be also cool if the first fullscreen press would switch to fullscreen with the left side thumbs and the next would switch to fullscreen image with no thumbs | 14:38 |
| konttori | That way you don't have to go to prefs to switch the thumbs on / off | 14:39 |
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| mikemorrison | yeah. i've been trying to think of the best way to implement that... i also would like to have an easier way to turn the film strip on and off | 14:40 |
| mikemorrison | you can make the film strip thumbs a bit smaller too if you like (in the preferences) | 14:40 |
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| konttori | can you guys test the uk mp preview 17? Seems like at least some internet tablettalk user had problems with it. It plays fine on my music library. I would like to know if the switch to using utf8 in all internal stuff has created regression bugs. | 14:44 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1188/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview17.deb | 14:44 |
| konttori | Needs python. If you don't have, install from here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 14:44 |
| * sp3000 rofl at the cover it picks up for the shipped tune | 14:51 | |
| mikemorrison | konttori: i see it in the menu, but it doesn't launch when i click on it | 14:51 |
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| rvalles | hi | 15:12 |
| rvalles | have you seen this? | 15:12 |
| rvalles | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 15:12 |
| rvalles | this person just released a reverse-engineered flasher for the nokia internet tablets! | 15:13 |
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| tigert | the interesting thing was the "save device flash to file" -part | 15:55 |
| tigert | might be useful, I dont think our flasher does that even (or I didnt look much) | 15:55 |
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| rvalles | to me, the fact it is free is much more important | 16:09 |
| rvalles | I still cannot understand why the hell nokia won't make theirs free, directly, but I'm happy at least the community doesn't like to be bound by privative chains and released such thing. | 16:10 |
| glass | might be licensing.. not theirs to give | 16:10 |
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| pancake | io! | 16:11 |
| glass | speaking of the devil | 16:12 |
| glass | :) | 16:12 |
| pancake | O:) | 16:13 |
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| rvalles | glass: that's the excuse they always use. | 16:15 |
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| * pancake blames on rvalles | 16:16 | |
| glass | rvalles: yeah | 16:16 |
| * rvalles blames on pancake | 16:16 | |
| rvalles | pancake must be at fault | 16:16 |
| rvalles | you know what a bunny does, with a pancake on its head? | 16:17 |
| rvalles | hide. | 16:17 |
| pancake | haha | 16:17 |
| pancake | uhm.. time to dinner | 16:18 |
| rvalles | pancake: I hope you mean "for lunch" | 16:19 |
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| pancake | too | 16:19 |
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| kender | hello | 16:43 |
| konttori | mikemorrison: have you installed python (that has pygame)? | 16:43 |
| konttori | I'll add that as a dependency soon (for the final release), but Haven't done that yet as I haven't been able to test that with python 2.5 (unable to install). | 16:45 |
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| sp3000 | wfm fwiw afaict | 16:47 |
| sp3000 | you can make a dependency with alternates if it works with both | 16:47 |
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| konttori | sp3000: it works on both, so that would be great. I just haven't been able to install python 2.5 myself, so I cannot test the .deb files dependencies for python 2.5. | 16:52 |
| konttori | If I write depends: python, will it handle both, or do I have to write depends: python2.4-runtime 0.2-2 as it states in the application installer? | 16:57 |
| sp3000 | konttori: there doesn't seem to be a package named python | 17:04 |
| sp3000 | apt-cahe show python2.5-runtime says it provides python-runtime (a virtual "package") | 17:04 |
| konttori | Ahh... so, 2.4 might have the same. I'll try to add that as a dependency and try installing. Thanks for the tip | 17:05 |
| konttori | ups. doesn't work | 17:06 |
| konttori | how can I state the or option in depends? | 17:07 |
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| sp3000 | | | 17:09 |
| sp3000 | grep Depends /var/lib/dpkg/status for examples :) | 17:09 |
| konttori | thanks | 17:10 |
| konttori | testing now. | 17:10 |
| sp3000 | is 2.4 available anywhere anymore? | 17:12 |
| * sp3000 doesn't see it in any http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/*/free/p/ | 17:12 | |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 17:12 |
| konttori | I've put together an install file for it | 17:12 |
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| konttori | as python 2.5 install file isn't working | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | ah, right, there | 17:13 |
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| konttori | sp3000: thanks for the dependency help. Works now | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | what about the 2.5 one fails? | 17:14 |
| sp3000 | istr it working | 17:14 |
| * sp3000 tests | 17:14 | |
| sp3000 | works for me, yeah | 17:17 |
| sp3000 | to verify, the one you've tried is the one on http://downloads.maemo.org/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=python&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_sear | 17:17 |
| sp3000 | ch%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bproperty%5D=status&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&fetch=Fetch%21 | 17:17 |
| sp3000 | ¡@@£¼@$"#¤!! | 17:17 |
| sp3000 | uh, http://downloads.maemo.org/product/python | 17:17 |
| * sp3000 loves those search urls | 17:17 | |
| konttori | I think it was missing sme dependencies. | 17:18 |
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| konttori | at least with only the repos that the install file stated. | 17:19 |
| konttori | i'm testing python 2.5 now | 17:20 |
| konttori | all right. this time it's installing. Was probably a missing repo then | 17:21 |
| konttori | Which is not nice for the end users (like me). | 17:21 |
| sp3000 | I checked apt-cache policy for all its direct dependencies, those at least are all available in bora extras which it configures | 17:22 |
| konttori | really? Maybe they have fixed that recently. I think I've tried installing that just a few days ago | 17:22 |
| konttori | anyway, nice to be able to finally test it on 2.5. I wonder if it's any faster / more reliable. | 17:23 |
| sp3000 | could have been some dependency further down | 17:24 |
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| konttori | hmm... rendering seems to be a bit snappier than on 2.4 | 17:26 |
| konttori | cool | 17:26 |
| konttori | well, not much. but *maybe* just a bit | 17:27 |
| konttori | anyway, the dependency stuff worked brilliantly for 2.4 and 2.5. So, thank you very much sp3000! | 17:29 |
| sp3000 | np | 17:29 |
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| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1189/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview18.deb | 17:32 |
| konttori | Contains dependencies. Might fix a problem opening the app. | 17:33 |
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| Appears | hi, i' ve got some question, I want to flash my nokia770 and when I want to flash it over usb, some error comes, and it says, "Unsupported board (id = 0x000)".Any idea, how I can flash that device now?I am using ubuntu..i also tried it whit kubuntu, but always this error comes :( | 17:36 |
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| Appears | No idea, how I could flash that device?... | 17:40 |
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| sp3000 | Appears: what does /proc/component_version on the device say? | 17:47 |
| konttori | Do you have a usb hub? | 17:47 |
| konttori | You need to plug usb cable directly to the computer | 17:47 |
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| Appears | konttory I havent an usb hub its directly to the pc connected | 17:49 |
| Appears | sp3000 the problem is, the device got an WSOD..I cant browse the device...and I cant see anything on the screen.. | 17:50 |
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| konttori | can you see the usb icon on top right corner when you try to start flashing? | 17:53 |
| sp3000 | have you flashed it before? | 17:53 |
| Appears | sp3000 it was flashed before in some nokia shop yes, I can see, that it waits at bootup for an command from usb | 17:54 |
| konttori | at least that's good news. Maybe you could try re-flashing from a different pc if you can't find a fix soon. | 17:55 |
| Appears | the problem was, i got some white screen of death, now i want to fix it..I know that I can unbrick it, over some special serial port(but I dont know the port), so for this, i first must flash it, than enable R&D mode, than an cold flash, than I must contact the right port , and than it *should* work again | 17:55 |
| konttori | Appears: sounds like quite complicated procedure. won't a simple reflash do it? | 17:59 |
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| Appears | kontorry thats the problem..I flashed it, than it was like before...my friend in a nokia support center flashed it for me too, and now comes this message with this unsupported device...but than I found out, I could bring all back to normal , when I could find that special port to activate..but I am quite searching, which port It is meant... | 18:02 |
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| kaatis | Appears, do you have the correct image file? for 770 the image filename should start with 'SU-18' | 18:14 |
| Appears | Yes kaatis I got the right image file.. | 18:20 |
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| MDK | jobi: ping | 18:32 |
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| dirkv | salut mes amis | 18:46 |
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| Pupnik | anybody here ever play netrek? | 19:00 |
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| Pupnik | i've got a netrek client almost working on the 770, but i could use some feedback about ui rearrangement | 19:02 |
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| Ahpuc | how would the controls work for netrek? it normally uses a lot of mouse buttons and plus the keyboard | 19:23 |
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| Pupnik | Ahpuc: yes, i'm looking at onscreen icons for the keyboard commands, then left hand buttons for firing/shields | 19:30 |
| Pupnik | but it would be very difficult - right now using a bluetooth keyboard | 19:30 |
| Pupnik | actuarlly i don't think it would be "very difficult". the fast response commands would be limited | 19:33 |
| Pupnik | to fire torps, hold dpad center and tap screen, fire phasers=hold "-" key and tap screen | 19:34 |
| Pupnik | shields on/off could be left/right on dpad | 19:34 |
| Sonej^ | Is there a working Kismet for the n800? | 19:35 |
| Ahpuc | soft buttons for a lot of the functionality will probably work, how are you currently outputing the chat text? is it just crammed into one of the corners? | 19:37 |
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| Pupnik | Ahpuc: the tactical main view is on the left at full height (474x474) the galaxy view is upper right and chat/status windows crammed under that | 19:40 |
| Pupnik | have to redo the entire ship status display to a vertical bar to the left of the galaxy view | 19:41 |
| Pupnik | initial release will be for bt keyboard only though | 19:41 |
| Pupnik | this is a variant of the 'cow' client btw, the others were too outdated to even compile | 19:42 |
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| Ahpuc | holding a hatdware button and using the touch should work fairly well | 19:48 |
| SuperMarty | hello | 19:48 |
| SuperMarty | is someone playing the hunting game on htpeople.org ? | 19:49 |
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| mgedmin | inz: how do I build osso-xterm from a subversion checkout? | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | dpkg-buildpackage complains about missing ./configure | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | my autofoo is a bit rusty, so I don't remember how to generate all that stuff autotools need | 20:00 |
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| mgedmin | autoreconf gives me some of it, but not all | 20:00 |
| * mgedmin is used with packages whipping with ./autogen.sh that runs all those black magic autotools commands to produce a working ./configure | 20:01 | |
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| Pupnik | \o/ done! | 20:03 |
| Pupnik | cross compiled, packaged and installed netris (networked tetris) to the nokia 770 in 12 minutes | 20:03 |
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| Tak | aclocal && automake --gnu && autoconf ? | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | doesn't quite cut it | 20:07 |
| part | grab source package from debian, compile, install | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | I get a configure, but | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | part: that's what I did in the end | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | wget http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13.mh21bora1.tar.gz | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | still, it would be nice to learn to use autotools | 20:08 |
| * mgedmin is trying to fix http://maemo-hackers.org/ticket/25 | 20:08 | |
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| Tak | steal the autogen.sh from another package? ;-) | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | of course I had to forget to pass the terminating NULL to g_strconcat | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | yay! I fixed it | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | ookay, how do attach the patch to the bug? | 20:19 |
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| svu | how would I start the initial setup wizard on n800? | 20:48 |
| daniels | isn't it just start-up-wizard or something? | 20:48 |
| daniels | you can touch /home/user/first-boot-flag and /home/user/.suw-first-run or something to get everything to run again | 20:49 |
| daniels | grep /etc/init.d or /etc/osso-af-init (god that thing is a fucking nightmare) for first | 20:49 |
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| svu | daniels, ok, thanks. it should be enough | 20:52 |
| daniels | np | 21:22 |
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| MDK | daniels: we should create an anti-nightmare ninja team | 21:24 |
| MDK | to fight wipe the nightmares of the platform | 21:25 |
| daniels | it's going to take me many more years to finish fighting x's nightmares, let alone maemo's ... | 21:25 |
| MDK | well, we can always shovel some of them under the carpet | 21:26 |
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| MDK | oops. Apparently we already did that. | 21:26 |
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| jacques | heh | 21:27 |
| jacques | seems to me there are hardware design nightmares at work too | 21:27 |
| MDK | WORKS FOR ME | 21:28 |
| jacques | 1/3 the lcd bus bandwidth of the n700? I mean surely that wasn't intentional | 21:28 |
| daniels | MDK: if i manage to kill dsme with a combination of the x server/screensaver and ndm, i'll be very, very happy | 21:28 |
| MDK | ;) | 21:28 |
| jacques | n770 that is | 21:28 |
| MDK | jacques: weeeeeellll... | 21:29 |
| daniels | jacques: no, it wasn't; it was designed to have almost exactly the same bandwidth for rfbi as sossi, but apparently this was never really tested | 21:29 |
| daniels | jacques: c'est la view | 21:29 |
| daniels | s/.$// | 21:29 |
| jacques | never. really. tested. | 21:29 |
| daniels | jacques: it'd be dull if everything worked as you expected (this video card i'm writing a driver for right now costs about €200, and the video bios still locks up _all the time_). so it's nice and exciting. keeps you on your toes. | 21:30 |
| jacques | if I wasn't in the hardware design/manufacturing industry, I would probably find that improbable :-) | 21:30 |
| * suihkulokki <3 TI | 21:30 | |
| MDK | hah | 21:30 |
| MDK | 15fps should be enough for everbody | 21:31 |
| jacques | lol | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | why do you need fps if there aren't any codecs anyway? | 21:31 |
| kulve | that new upgrade to n800 show videos pretty ok. I've done some small testing with theora-videos.. | 21:32 |
| daniels | mgedmin: why would you want to play any other video than the n93 promo? | 21:32 |
| daniels | mgedmin: i have literally seen that thousands of times, and now seeing an n93 just makes me want to stab someone | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | ooh, that one is good | 21:32 |
| MDK | well, I'm talking about reasonable raw drawing speed | 21:32 |
| * mgedmin goes to review it again | 21:32 | |
| MDK | daniel will say it's actually more than 15fps, | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | the new os image comes with the N800 ad instead | 21:33 |
| MDK | but in my experience stuff starts to look ugly when going above 15 | 21:33 |
| daniels | MDK: i can't remember the raw figures for full-screen rgb updates | 21:33 |
| daniels | mgedmin: yeah, i try to hold off upgrading the rootfs as much as i can, so after like two months of staring at the n93 video day in, day out, i discovered that they'd changed it for an n800 ad. | 21:34 |
| daniels | oh well, time to go get dinner | 21:34 |
| jacques | have a good one | 21:34 |
| daniels | if you hear news about any violent murders in helsinki, that means some middle-aged dude with a goatee was on the street filming himself saying 'all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players' | 21:35 |
| daniels | jacques: you too | 21:35 |
| suihkulokki | mgedmin: a consumer device will never support *all* the warezy codecs floating around | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | suihkulokki: that was more tongue-in-cheek than a real complaint | 21:35 |
| MDK | daniels: haha | 21:36 |
| suihkulokki | ok :) | 21:36 |
| MDK | daniels: btw, that comes from my friend shakespeare | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | someone decided to play a first-person-shooter :) | 21:36 |
| MDK | he's a pretty violent guy too | 21:36 |
| MDK | fortunately only on paper | 21:36 |
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| daniels | MDK: on political compass, i scored to the bottom-left of mahatma gandhi. ergo, clearly non-violent. | 21:38 |
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| MDK | daniels: a bit of gtk treeview questions, a dozen of composite-clueless people and some 'why cairo sucks on our xserver' will trigger the beast in EVERYONE | 21:41 |
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| Pupnik | transcoding for the win | 21:47 |
| Pupnik | netrek UI re-layouting 60% done | 21:47 |
| Tak | btw, videos transcoded for the 770 *still* hang on the n800 after update | 21:47 |
| MDK | jobi: ping | 21:47 |
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| pancake | http://youterm.com/?video=0xFFFF/flash | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | Tak: I've watched a full-length Firefly and BSG encoded with 770-encode's "best" setting with no pauses; although going to full screen is a painful experience now, but you only do that once per movie ;-) | 22:14 |
| Pupnik | the mpeg4 is a nice compromise btwn decoding speed and compression | 22:18 |
| Pupnik | never got xvid to play back fluidly on 770 but who cares, i transcode | 22:18 |
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| daniels | MDK: heh. luckily anyone who asks about treeview gets sent to the other part of the building; the place with the wii and the friendly gtk people. | 22:23 |
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| MDK | hmm, not so much of them recently | 22:30 |
| MDK | I think the razor blades in the corridor are working | 22:30 |
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| tko | either that or people might actually be learning | 22:33 |
| tko | or efficiently distracted by the wii :) | 22:33 |
| daniels | tko: that reminds me, i have to update my 'stupid things to do with x' page, and probably move it to the external wiki too | 22:35 |
| daniels | need to add a 'no, you cannot optimise fbCompositeGeneral, really, i'm not kidding, just make sure it never gets called' bullet point for our performance team | 22:35 |
| MDK | tko: we need to setup PSP3 station before our office | 22:35 |
| MDK | tko: that should finnish of those who pass the razor blades and wii | 22:35 |
| daniels | psp3? | 22:35 |
| daniels | i haven't played the wii for a while now. should fix that. | 22:36 |
| tko | MDK: have you noticed the xbox? but I suppose that's old by now | 22:36 |
| daniels | tko: do we have any other games for the 360 yet? | 22:36 |
| daniels | tko: guillem and i have already finished every level, got perfect runs on the first half of them, and got every car except two | 22:37 |
| tko | daniels: no idea. I don't recall seeing it even powered on since the move | 22:37 |
| daniels | (on burnout revenge) | 22:37 |
| daniels | so motivation to play it is low :) | 22:37 |
| mikemorrison | say, speaking of treeview, why does the scrollbar position mess up when i set a new model on my treeview? | 22:37 |
| daniels | 'since the move' == 'since you stole it from core's kitchenette' ;) | 22:37 |
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| daniels | mikemorrison: tko will fix it for you | 22:37 |
| tko | daniels: something like that. why don't you pick it up | 22:38 |
| tko | (I've no idea how it got to our place) | 22:38 |
| tko | re treeview, must be user error :-P | 22:38 |
| daniels | tko: i don't know if we even have a tv in our kitchen now | 22:39 |
| daniels | tko: plus, your projector is nicer. need to work out a way to shut the lights off tho. | 22:39 |
| tko | daniels: do you have a kitchen? | 22:39 |
| tko | :) | 22:39 |
| tko | yeah, the lights suck | 22:39 |
| daniels | tko: yeah, between us and multimedia. usually filled with multimedia guys talking about video stuff, so i try to avoid it lest someone blame me for anything. | 22:39 |
| tko | I tried some of the switched one day but they didn't seem to do anything | 22:39 |
| mikemorrison | tko: i call gtk_tree_view_set_model then gtk_tree_view_expand_all. the scrollbar goes to the end. but sometimes the treeview actually draws the stuff that is supposed to be at the top of the treeview. it's messed! | 22:40 |
| tko | mikemorrison: it's possible, I blame kris for all treeview problems :) | 22:40 |
| tko | should be better in 2.10 | 22:40 |
| mikemorrison | tko: yes it is. it's not an issue for me in edgy. | 22:41 |
| melmoth_ | Talking about treeviews problem... | 22:41 |
| melmoth_ | am i the only one experiencing segfault when filling a model a second time ? | 22:41 |
| mikemorrison | when will we get 2.10? | 22:41 |
| melmoth_ | (i m using pygtk and python2.5 on bora3.1 btw) | 22:41 |
| mikemorrison | tko: so you figure there's no work around for 2.6? i even tried setting the scrollbar position after calling those two functions but it didn't work. some of the set_model or expand_all stuff must happen in an idle function? | 22:44 |
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| tko | 2.10 is in sardine, so you can pick it up already. or wait until sardine gets claimed "stable" | 22:44 |
| tko | mikemorrison: don't really know, I can't recall that kind of problem before | 22:45 |
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| mikemorrison | does anyone know much about maemo repository? dpkg-scansources does not output the Maemo-Icon-26 field (for the Packages file). is there a tool to do this? | 22:51 |
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| qgil | hi maemo 247ers, just in case you are interested I have introduced a little more detail in the status of the SoC projects. See http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GoogleSoC2007#head-a7793ef90eb4df63ae154ec208532580d959b989 | 22:53 |
| tko | mikemorrison: you need to put the X<something>-Maemo-Icon-26 in your debian/control file and it *should* end up in the Packages file (haven't tested it though) | 22:54 |
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| part | mikemorrison: looks like it would be simple to get dpkg-scanpackages to list that | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | surely dpkg-scansources doesn't touch the Packages file? dpkg-scanpackages does that | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | and it appears to pass through the Maemo-Icon field just fine | 22:55 |
| tko | oh, that too :) | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | ... or maybe it doesn't | 22:56 |
| * mgedmin greps | 22:56 | |
| mikemorrison | mgedmin: sorry, yes i mean dpkg-scanpackages | 22:56 |
| tko | apt-ftparchive might be worth trying too | 22:56 |
| Tak | Jaffa: I'll try a couple of different videos, but mine seem to be freezing after ~30s | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | I keep my repository in subversion, and I seem to remember long base64 fields in the Packages files I saw in diffs when I comitted... | 22:56 |
| mikemorrison | tko: i have made my own repository. and no, dpkg-scanpackages doesn't output that field | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | my greps all came up empty :/ | 22:57 |
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| part | mikemorrison: from the looks of it, adding the header names to the array fieldpri, defined on line 24, would do the trick | 22:58 |
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| part | mikemorrison: in dpkg-scanpackages, that is | 22:58 |
| tko | go googlemaps - "Swim across the Atlantic Ocean - 3,462 mi" | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | heh | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | aha, I see maemo-icon-26: in one older version of my packages file (go svn!) | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | I suspect the difference is that sometimes I use dpkg-scanpackages from ubuntu (laptop) and sometimes from debian stable (server) | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | the ubuntu one ignores maemo-icon fields | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | also the ubuntu one liked to add broken empty "Depends:" and "Sugests:" lines that made the 770 app installer unhappy | 23:01 |
| mikemorrison | ahh.. ok. i was just wondering if there was an 'official' way of getting it in. i have made a small script to put it in so i guess i'll just keep using that | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | working version: 1.10.28, "broken" version: 1.13.22ubuntu7 | 23:02 |
| tko | I suppose you could also use the one in maemo :) | 23:02 |
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| mikemorrison | it doesn't output it either | 23:05 |
| daniels | tko: yeah, the driving directions to stockholm are great as well | 23:06 |
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| daniels | tko: it's got all the ferry routes on there, so you get great directions like 'Turn left on to Stockholm-Mariehamn-Turku Viking Line, 5km; turn right on to Stockholm-Mariehamn-Helsinki Silja Line, 7km', ad nauseum. | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | heh | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | what if I don't turn at the right time and the ferry moves on without me? | 23:07 |
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| daniels | mgedmin: i'd actually like to see that ferry hopping | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | oh, there's hopping involved? | 23:09 |
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| mgedmin | I though it indicated every change of direction of the ferry line | 23:10 |
| daniels | mgedmin: no, it actually tells you to move between different routes operated by different ferry routes | 23:10 |
| mgedmin | "just like on TV" :) | 23:11 |
| daniels | ah, damn, it's far more sensible now, just sticks to one line | 23:12 |
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| * konttori finally completed the tax report. Phew! | 23:35 | |
| konttori | What a better way to waste sunday | 23:35 |
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| pillar | I have installed scratchbox and maemo sdk, but when I try to run fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit on sbox-SDK_ARMEL I get /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 23:47 |
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| pillar | does anyone know how to make it work? | 23:49 |
| florian | pillar: use sb-conf to set the transparency method | 23:50 |
| mk8 | Sorry to all, I try to write a small application to make some test using Modal Window but seems not work properly. | 23:52 |
| mk8 | My device is N800 | 23:52 |
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| pillar | floarian: ok, it says --cputransp=<METHOD> , what should I put on the method? | 23:53 |
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| florian | pillar: iirc it gives you a list if you don't specify any | 23:53 |
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| pillar | floarian: ok, got the list.. but I'm still confused about this whole environment. Is this ARM meant to compile it to the actual device? Do I base my choice on that? If so, what would be the right choice for N800? | 23:56 |
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