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sp3000newly? that was a week ago00:00
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LinuxApewell,I'm a little sloooowwww00:01
* timeless shrugs00:01
Tak|workhey, I haven't flashed my fiancee's yet either00:01
timelessif you want a slow flash experience,don't upgrade ;-)00:01
timelessi mean, if you can't handle more than 2fps @youtube, the upgrade is definitely not for you :)00:02
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LinuxApeyou must mean flash has improved00:03
timelesswell, someone promissed it did00:03
timelessi don't use youtube00:03
LinuxApeany improvements to other apps?00:04
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timelesshad an item on planet00:08
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jonekhi flo00:18
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jonekanybody from the netherlands available?00:19
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timelessok, i fixed a stupid regression :)00:22
timelessnow i just need to figure out why my script can't count :(00:22
Tak|workno fingers00:22
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timelesswc -l says this file has 1547 lines00:23
timelesssome other tool i'm using claims 154800:23
Tak|workgrep -c '$' ?00:25
timelessthey seem to have a difference of opinion about how EOF works00:26
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* timeless had some magical code and it didn't work00:28
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Knowledge_How come they have that new site for applications, i liked the old way they had since the 770, I can't find anything on garage...actually I don't know how to see a whole list on Garage...00:48
Tak|workI actually prefer the new app catalog00:48
Tak|workalthough granted, there are far too many entries with no homepage and no install file, which makes them useless00:49
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Knowledge_is there a way of finding out what a "network error" is. I maen can I initiate a connection from xterm/01:11
b0unc3Knowledge_: sure, use wireless tools01:13
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Knowledge_I see01:13
Knowledge_another thing to figure out01:14
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Knowledge_iwlist wlan0 right? cause that's not working...01:22
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b0unc3maybe, iwlist wlan0 scan01:24
Knowledge_man, I feel like an ass sometimes01:25
StregKnowledge_: linux will do that to you :)01:26
Knowledge_wait, not that big of an it's saying interface doesn't support scanning...or no power management information01:27
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b0unc3Knowledge_: ifconfig wlan0 up, first of all01:29
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franckdoes the 770 and 800 play ogg music?03:30
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unique311there's an ogg player03:31
franckand how do you connect on GSM/GPRS network?03:31
unique311check the applications link on meamo.org03:31
unique311not sure about the second question03:32
unique311you can connect to the internet via certain phones...03:32
unique311i'll get ya links03:32
unique311give me a sec03:32
franckI need to remove the standard os and put maemo on this?03:33
unique311isn't the standard os maemo03:34
unique311try that03:35
unique311all your answers should be answered03:35
franckin short what the diff between the 770 and 800?03:35
unique311you have the n800?03:35
franckI read the Maemo FAQ03:35
franckI have none, wondering if I should buy....03:35
timelesspractically speaking the 770 isn't supported by nokia anymore. and the n800 coosts more, is lighter and includes a camera03:36
unique311i'm loving it03:36
franckand more battery life?03:36
timelessnot if you use rhapsody03:36
timelessbut otherwise, probably03:37
timelessreal rhapsody03:37
timelessmy battery life w/ that is probably 30-60mins03:37
franckwhich is?03:37
timelessgreat app, but really bad for battery :(03:37
franckwhat is rhapsody?03:37
timelessgoogle is your friend03:37
timelessit's 3:30am and i'm not about to explain everything i write03:38
timelesssommerfeld: they're not the only group like that03:40
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Takfranck: what will you use one for?03:43
franckTak: as a pda and to check my e-mails...03:44
franckdo some OO writer type of work03:45
Takthere's no OOo port03:46
Takand what do you mean, 'as a pda' ?03:46
franckfor calendar, I need a text writer and an e-mail client03:46
franckbut it seems I would have prefered to find one with GSM 4band capabilities...03:47
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Takthe calendar sync and onboard email client are pretty primitive too03:48
Takit's not really meant for PIM, and as such isn't really polished in that respect yet03:51
franckso what is it for?03:51
Takgeneral internet stuff mainly03:52
Takbeing an ultraportable linux box, etc03:52
franckI see... may be I will wait a little bit, that the perfect stuff comes out... like ?03:53
* Tak shrugs 03:53
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Takis there a way to enable a home applet from xterm?04:30
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Markovhey. why aren't a LOT of apps in the downloads.maemo area?07:16
Markovif i install something via garage, it won't get updated automatically via application installer on n800, right?07:17
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mikemorrisonnot unless you click on the "click to install" button07:24
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Takyay, infinite reboot loop!07:43
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febbhi all08:12
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makuchakuMorning all :)09:49
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mikemorrisonanyone wanna try my program?11:11
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AD-N770good morning11:22
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konttori_mikemorrison: what is your program?11:30
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mikemorrisonit is this:
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konttori_oh. quiver looks sweet11:41
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meitehello, I have a problem with gstreamer and a filesink. Is it possible to change the filesink's "location" property on the fly? I have tried to put the filesink into null,paused and ready state but every single time I am getting the following warning: Changing the `location' property on filesink when a file is open not supported. Anyone seen this kind of error?11:44
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bedboihi there.11:51
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florianhi all11:57
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lardmanmorning all12:05
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konttori_is quiver fast?12:13
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mikemorrisoni don't know about fast, but it sure is quick!12:14
konttori_Looks very nice. I assume it can handle even large libraries with out much proboblem12:15
mikemorrisoni think it is faster than the other option.12:15
konttori_problem even12:15
mikemorrisonyeah. it can handle plenty! did you try it?12:15
konttori_Does it support slideshowing?12:15
mikemorrisonyes. it does.12:15
konttori_Nope. I'm at work ATM. so, cannot12:15
konttori_very cool then. Would be also cool if it could be set to automatically show image in 800x480 full width and height. sort of autoscale/crop... For slideshow I mean12:16
mikemorrisonyes. i suppose that could be useful. that option would require a bit of work...12:18
* lardman reads through 3 weeks' of emails, nice to see new n800 image :)12:21
konttori_ALso, if you could put the screen always on when in slideshow mode12:22
mikemorrisonit does!12:22
konttori_That way, one could put family photos on rotation on a table for family visits ... use as a picture frame.12:22
konttori_mikemorrison: Rock on!12:22
mikemorrisoni just did that recently. it was really annoying when i was trying to show people my pictures and the screen kept going off.12:23
mikemorrisonit loops too12:23
mikemorrisongrr! why don't any of the 'click to install' packages work from "application package not found."12:27
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florianhi jonek13:20
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cfhhave someone try to install minisip client voip on nokia13:53
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kulvenice, "Upgrading from maemo 3.0 to maemo 3.1 can be done with "apt-get dist-upgrade""16:14
kulveactually "normal", but "nice" on maemo..16:14
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Jaffakulve: yeah, I noticed that - excellent16:17
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koen|labthe decay of OSS standards16:18
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VReClaws emailprog seems quite nice already, only it takes a bit with my Maemo-inbox with it's 12000 messages..16:44
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kulveapt-get dist-upgrade went pretty nicely. Few hickups, nothing too serious17:06
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robtaylorjamey, aCiDBaSe: this might be useful to you :
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robtaylorits a debian devkit with newer cdbs, devhelper, devscripts and intltool17:31
kulveI assume nobody uses FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) on n800?17:31
robtaylorthanks to jumpula :)17:32
jameyrobtaylor, that sounds very helpful!17:33
robtaylorjamey: yeah, i'm hpoing i can rebuild all my python packages without chanages now17:33
robtaylori havn't checked it out yet, so be careful17:33
robtayloryou'll need to regerneate your virtual packages17:35
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robtaylor(see generate_virtual in
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robtayloror, indeed recreate your SDK install17:36
robtaylorjumpula: i just had a thought, it might make sense to be able to build point-versions of the debian devkit17:40
robtaylorjumpula: or maybe have a makefile target that does $VERSION-$DATE17:40
robtaylorfor the deb version17:41
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jumpularobtaylor: bear in mind that the devkit is still experimental17:56
jumpulaplanning to update all debian tools to etch17:56
jumpularobtaylor: we do build snapshots with date on version string on each commit17:57
jumpularobtaylor: did you build it yourself?17:59
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zuhYay, back to 4GB of SDHC sweetness18:56
mgedminyum yum18:57
VRewhere where.. :)18:57
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zuhdo note the disclaimer tho19:06
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VRezuh: nice.. I'm moving my 12000 message Maemo-inbox to archive so I can look up small incoming boxes fast via Claws so can't read the mails now :)19:10
mgedminit took me a week to synchronize a 16000 message move from one imap folder to another with offlineimap...19:11
VReYeah, I think I'll do next folder with "mv"19:12
VRe.. and then "touch" to make empty folder waiting19:13
BogBrotherzuh: can 770 do 4GB?19:14
VReNo, 770 eats only MMC19:14
VReWell, if there is 4G MMC?19:14
* BogBrother has 2GB and it is basically enough19:14
VReI got 1G MMC and even that is quite enough19:15
BogBrotheruntil you dump films and big games on it19:15
VReon trips 4G is nice as you can have a load of video with you19:15
BogBrotheryes, anything serious doesn't need so much :)19:16
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VReMaybe if you leech gigabytes of maps from google :)19:16
BogBrotherbtw for video, one good solution is to use mencoder to transcode during the copy19:19
BogBrotherthat way the mmc write speed typically matches the encoding speed, and you don't serialize steps unnecessarily19:19
VReGoes faster if you use external reader than thru usb-77019:21
VReI have mythtv dumping last days recordings to smaller avis which I then can move to the device19:22
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BogBrotherVRe: i hated mythtv setup and never finished.  Is there now a mythtv client for nokia?19:27
* bill20r3 drools19:27
VReBogBrother: No19:27
VReI just run small hacked together script to pack the programs19:28
BogBrotherVRe: yeah, for portable viewing - but it should be possible via frontend at home now19:31
BogBrother"Last week I promised that GMyth would handle all that stuff from MythTV’s remote transcoding and here it is."19:33
BogBrotherlooks like the 770 will become a feasible killer tv/pvr frontend after all :D19:33
VRelooks like..19:34
zuh"Installing GMyth in a Nokia 77019:35
zuh( ) "19:35
BogBrotherMoRpHeUz: good job19:36
VRehmpf.. mplayer doesn't want to play 720x576 video thru xv :)19:36
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VReupscaling check, downscaling ..19:37
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BogBrothergonna be really hard for someone to build something that will make me replace my 77019:39
VRehehe.. mplayer -vf scale=360:288 didn't really do it.. scaling takes too much cpu19:40
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mgedminwell, the N800 did replace my 770 quite easily20:01
mgedminalthough the shape of the 770 was more convenient for holding and pressing zoom buttons20:02
zuhToo bad the N800 does have tradeoffs, it's not simply a 770+goodness.20:03
mgedmindoesn't almost everything have tradeoffs?20:04
mgedminpalm tungsten had tradeoffs when I replaced my palm m50020:04
mgedmin770 had tradeoffs when I replaced my tungsten20:04
VReI do my calendaring still on my sony clie20:05
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kenderhey sbaturzio20:27
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sbaturziokender: Ciao20:28
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s-ndh-c_what bt keyboards are known to work well with the n770?20:57
s-ndh-c_dont want to buy something and later find out its incompatible or something20:57
mgedminall those that support the bluetooth HID profile should work20:58
mgedminthose that use the serial profile won't20:58
mgedmin(but I think there's a package that adds support for some of those)20:58
s-ndh-c_and iam in search for a new bt cellphone, are those nokia e series anygood?20:59
s-ndh-c_i had time to play with a e50 at work, but the menu structure seems to be very strange21:00
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jkus-ndh-c_, unpatriotically I've found the Samsung Z500 a pretty good companion for 779/n80021:08
jku770 even21:09
jku3G, bt, 100grams -- those were the important things for me21:10
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wacky_hey :)21:10
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wacky_it's been a while since I updated my Nokia 770, what's the latest stuff for it ?21:13
wacky_can the OS 2007 run on it ?21:13
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s-ndh-c_wacky_: there is some hacked version that runs on the n77021:15
s-ndh-c_but its only for development purposes21:15
wacky_ok, so what's the latest things for the n770 ?21:15
wacky_was the support completely dropped for the device ?! will we stay in 2006 forever with this device :P21:15
s-ndh-c_i dont think its thought to run 2007, as it takes advantage of stuff the n770 doesnt have21:16
s-ndh-c_i think i will buy a n800 seen, just after i got me a new phone and a new notebook21:17
wacky_well, I've seen a couple of stuff: Video and Flash performance and quality, Browser stability updated on OS 2007...21:18
wacky_I'd really like better browser stability, even if I *only* own a N770 !21:18
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wacky_is there a SIP phone ready-to-use developed lately, for the n770 ?21:22
Tak|workheh, video performance on the n800 is just catching up to the 77021:22
wacky_should I upgrade from: OS 2006 Edition version 1.2006.26-8  to  OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2  ?21:23
keesjos2007on770 workes great21:23
wacky_keesj - is there enough new stuff to be worth the upgrade ?21:23
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keesjyes, it is a great improvement IMHO21:24
* Tak|work will be flashing 2007on770 this weekend21:24
Tak|worka self-inflicted reboot loop is a great upgrade motivator21:24
keesjkeyhandling , and other small stuff that just make it great21:24
keesjI for example installed the gmail applet now21:25
keesjI whish sound was working better.21:25
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wacky_keesj - there is regression with sound ?21:26
keesjit feels faster then it2006 and looks beter.21:26
wacky_is there a SIP phone working on any of those platforms ?21:26
keesjwacky_ som stuff did not work , have not checkeout out why , I think it's the dsp21:26
Tak|workwhat kind of stuff?21:26
keesjthe flash / and defautl audio player work , I did not try canola but xmoto and penpop did not work they nagged about missing "missing mp3 dsp" stuff?21:27
wacky_ok.. I'll try flashing with the os2007on770 :)) heeheee :P21:28
keesjI even prefered the 770 with it2007-1 over the n800 , but now it2007-2 it out. it's a harder match21:29
wacky_what should I backup anything before flashing ?21:29
keesjdid 770 kinda supported sdhc?21:29
Tak|workno, you couldn't even fit an sd card21:29
Tak|workunless there's sdhc-micro or something21:30
wacky_if I run a backup, can I restore it on OS 2007 ?21:30
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keesjand it still feels like baterly life and stability of the 770 is beter.21:31
keesj(even with it2007)21:31
mgedminwacky_: yes21:31
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unique311why i love my n80021:33
wacky_and I guess I'll have to re-add my application catalogs ?21:33
mgedminor you could do what I did and forget about the catalogs21:33
mgedminjust click on .install files21:33
unique311granule, where can i download flash cards for it21:34
wacky_what are .install files ?21:34
mgedmina small text file that tells the app installer where to find the catalog and what package to install21:34
wacky_and where do you get those ?21:34
mgedmin links to them21:34
wacky_oh good :)21:34
mgedminalso, I've made a list for my own convenience at
mgedminthe green "install" blobs on are what you click on in opera to get a package installed21:35
wacky_woohoo :) OS2007 installing :P21:39
wacky_so with OS2007on770 installed, can I install 2006 .deb files ?21:40
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keesjgreat the sdk is there!!! did anybody try it?21:41
keesjwacky_: no 2007 .deb files21:41
Tak|workhmm - what about the lack of stuff like vfp?21:41
keesjTak|work: that was more a glic feature21:42
keesjI am not sure a all, about what I am saying about the fp21:43
Tak|workI know some bora packages are built with vfp enabled21:43
keesjwhat is vfp?21:43
Tak|workand it can't just be a glibc thing, because it's a gcc option21:43
Tak|workvector floating point21:44
keesjbut you have to choose between small binary thumb mode ant floating point21:44
keesjgoogle does not know vfp very good21:45
keesjbut it's hardware floating point21:45
keesjTak|work: what package you do know?21:45
keesjI am refering to this disc on the mailing list
Tak|workyeah, also
Tak|workthe bora build of xmame uses vfp21:48
keesjI guess xmoto (and ode) would love vfp21:48
keesjI have do eat...21:48
wacky_wow, 2007 is snappy :)21:49
wacky_and nice :)21:49
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zuhon 770?21:50
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thoughtfixHello hello21:59
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wacky_zuh  - yeah :)22:13
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melmoth_GRumble, i successfully dist-upgraded to bora3.1 on x8622:25
melmoth_but i have the following error on the armel target:22:26
melmoth_Unpacking bsdutils (from .../bsdutils_1%3a2.12p-4sarge1.osso2_armel.deb) ...22:26
melmoth_dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bsdutils_1%3a2.12p-4sarge1.osso2_armel.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/logger', which is also in package busybox22:26
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melmoth_looks like bsdutils is badly packaged for there a way to dist-upgrade while not installing it ?22:29
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sp3000you could --force-overwrite and hope nothing funny happens22:30
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melmoth_let s hope nothing funny happens then22:32
kulveI think I've overwritten that one..22:32
melmoth_hmmm, no such option :)22:33
sp3000dpkg -i --forc... .../bsdutils_1%3a2.12p-4sarge1.osso2_armel.deb22:33
melmoth_dpkg: error processing --force-overwrite (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory22:38
melmoth_the file is  /var/cache/apt/archives/bsdutils_1%3a2.12p-4sarge1.osso2_armel.deb22:38
melmoth_and its there22:38
zuh-i should be right before the package... ;)22:38
melmoth_[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/bsdutils_1%3a2.12p-4sarge1.osso2_armel.deb --force-overwrite22:39
melmoth_that s how i try it out22:39
melmoth_trying to see what is no such file with strace now22:40
kulveUsage: dpkg [<option> ...] <command>22:40
kulvedpkg --force-o -i file22:40
kulvetry that22:40
thoughtfixNavicore has 36 hours to meet the "March 2007" release for the N800.22:40
* thoughtfix waits22:41
melmoth_[pid  9663] stat64("--force-overwrite", 0xbfaac3b0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)22:41
melmoth_it thinks y option is a file ?22:41
zuhTo be more exact: -i should be just before the package, but after all other options22:43
melmoth_that did the trick kulve thanks22:43
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sp3000zuh: weird, I'm pretty sure I've used -i --f.. like all the time22:46
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sp3000maybe it's stricter in some versions22:46
* sp3000 shrugs22:46
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sp3000oh, right -i pkg --f... won't work22:48
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sp3000but it doesn't happen to care about the option order22:48
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sp3000just no options after nonoptions22:48
mgedmindoesn't busybox have a simpler and smaller version of dpkg?22:49
mgedmindoesn't maemo use that instead of the real one?22:49
mgedminno, I must have been dreaming22:50
thoughtfixHmm ... My Roomba shows up today. I wonder if I can hack it to be controlled by my N800.22:50
kulveI think it might be too simple.. It could install basic packages, but iirc it had some real problems on real use..22:50
melmoth_well, the 2 funny pygtk beahviour i experience are not automagically vanished in this new version...22:52
melmoth_and i was not able to reproduce the one i try to make a test case for.22:52
melmoth_so, still not open a bug :(22:53
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melmoth_basically it s when i refill a treeview that was already filled once22:54
melmoth_core show it dies there:22:54
melmoth_#0  0xb767a850 in gtk_tree_view_set_fixed_height_mode () from /usr/lib/
melmoth_any idea how to easily install needed debug symbol to investigate further ?22:55
melmoth_hmmm libgtk2.0-dbg  :)22:58
melmoth_hmm, it does not want to install neither....23:00
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ajturnerthoughtfix - re roomba & n800 - yeah23:50
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